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From YouTube: Measure J Committee | July 15th, 2021
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City of Palm Springs Measure J Committee Meeting - July 15th, 2021
A
A
And
just
one
a
quick
note,
I
was
on
the
phone
a
little
while
ago
with
the
city
clerk,
and
I
asked
him
about
the
two
seats
that
are
still
open
on
the
on
the
commission
and
he
said
because
they're
dark
for
the
month
of
august
they're
not
voting
until
september,
and
that
there
are
seven
applicants
that
they
are
going
to
meet
with
for
the
two
positions.
So
that's
just
a
quick
update.
E
The
minute
I
have
a
correction
to
the
minute
sid,
please:
okay,
it's
on
2b
and
it
is
the
word
survey
we
are
not.
We
have
not
developed
a
survey,
we
have
only
developed
application
and
so
those
words
survey
in
editing.
The
survey
should
be
application
and
it's
also
once
the
survey
should
the
word
could
be
the
application.
E
B
A
A
A
F
A
F
G
Hi,
thank
you
and
good
evening.
I
really
don't
have
a
lot
to
say
I.
I
know
that
I've
worked
with
the
staff
team
to
clarify
some
of
what
we
discussed
last
time.
I
was
here
and
you
all
met,
which
was
kind
of
the
process
for
both
refining
some
of
your
current
plans
for
projects,
including
some
of
those
community
projects,
potentially
surveying
departments,
and
I
think,
we've
gotten
some
clarification
at
least
internally
on
how
that
should
work.
G
What
it
should
look
like
and
then
rolling
some
of
that
into
a
process
with
city
council,
either
strategic
visiting
process,
which
we
certainly
want
to
do
or
just
making
sure
we
close
the
loop
on
the
at
least
this
year's
cip
fund
with
with
measure
j
and
then
ultimately,
the
five
year
cip
as
well.
So
I'm
here,
if
there
are
any
questions
on
that.
Otherwise
I
know
that
nancy
and
dewell-
and
I
all
spoke
and
provided
some
of
that
clarification
later
on
in
the
agenda.
B
B
H
C
G
Sure
we're
targeting
end
of
october
or
early
november
for
dates.
We
haven't
really
zeroed
in
on
the
exact
date
yet,
and
a
staff
team
is
conducting
a
series
of
meetings
and
we'll
probably
have
a
check-in
with
council.
You
know,
sometime
in
september
to
really
solidify
things,
but
right
now
what
we
envision
is
a
two-day
session.
One
day,
that's
spent
primarily
on
what
we
aim
to
accomplish
in
the
next
short
term.
So
that's
probably
one
year
and
of
course,
some
priorities
just
extend
beyond
a
year
right.
G
So
if
we're
talking
housing
or
economic
development
or
even
major
projects
relevant
to
measure
j,
it
might
be
a
one
year
focus,
but
a
time
horizon
that
goes
at
least
two
or
three.
The
second
day
is
going
to
focus
on
how
we
do
our
business,
so
we're
going
to
be
asking
commissions
to
identify
anything
in
the
process
that
just
hasn't
been
especially
smooth.
So,
for
instance,
the
way
the
budget
process
went
this
year,
where
we
didn't
really
have
a
time
to
sit
down
and
focus
on
capital
projects.
G
It
was
presented
as
part
of
a
regular
meeting.
Council
gave
some
feedback
that
they
weren't
sure
that
everything
reflected
strategic
priorities.
I
think
probably
the
measure
j
commission
felt
a
little
like
you
know.
There
was
some
hard
work
there
that
maybe
it
got
dismissed,
and
most
of
that
was
circumstantial-
that
we
just
didn't
set
up
the
right
time.
G
So
we
want
to
identify
those
kinds
of
things
so
that
we
can
improve
those
processes
whatever.
That
is,
if
that's
going
back
to
having
a
dinner
with
commissions
or
a
joint
session
once
a
year.
You
know
those
would
be
the
things
we
would
discuss
on
that
second
day
and
then
we're
also
putting
some
framing
to
some
of
the
the
work
we'd
like
commissions
to
do
in
that
strategic
planning.
So,
for
instance,
we
would
probably
want
every
commission
to
go
back
and
review
the
enabling
ordinance
and
just
kind
of
check.
G
Of
other
things
in
the
works,
a
resident
survey
a
way
to
engage
some
of
our
staff
members
to
further
solicit
priorities,
and
there
will
probably
be
a
couple
other
open
public
engagement
type
exercises
to
complement
the
survey
that
we're
administering.
So
that
council
has
all
of
that
information
by
the
time
they
convene
in
late
october
or
early
november.
D
G
I
I
think
some
of
that
is
up
for
discussion,
so
what
I
discussed
with
joelle
and
nancy
is
if
there
are
some
projects
that
were
kind
of
really
ready,
and
in
fact
already
there
are
some
projects
moving
forward
where
there
is
some
measure
j
involved
and
we're
just
writing
the
staff
report
and
saying
we'd
like
to
pull
the
money
from
the
kind
of
you
know
the
contingency
account.
If
you
will,
they
just
put
it
in
an
unallocated
account
for
now
and
apply
it
to
the
project.
G
So
we
can
always
do
that
on
a
project-by-project
basis,
reconciling
the
entire
five-year
cip,
I
do
think,
will
probably
happen
after
the
strategic
session.
But
but
this
interim
period
is
a
good
opportunity
for
measure
j
to
clarify
here's.
Why
we
selected
certain
projects,
maybe
over
others.
There
might
be
a
philosophy
behind
that.
Like
you
know,
we
want
to
focus
on
this
kind
of
infrastructure
or
we
perceive
certain
initiatives
like
a
library
have
languished
for
too
long.
You
know
to
communicate
the.
G
Why
and
similarly
for
council
to
kind
of
pan
out
and
look
at
the
big
picture
of
where
we've
been,
where
we
are
check,
with
our
general
plan
check
with
our
high
level
strategic
plans,
whether
it
be
an
airport,
a
long-range
plan
or
a
sustainability,
commission
long-range
plan,
and
that's
bound
to
spark
some
other
thinking
about
things
that
we
might
not
be
focused
on.
But
we,
you
know,
will
remember
and
want
to
put
back
on
the
table
so
so
this
is
a
good
time
to
get
all
that
together.
G
I
G
You
know,
there's
always
some
potential
in
that,
but
I
think
that's
sort
of
built
into
democracy
and
the
iterative
process
we
wouldn't
want.
If
the
reverse
is
also
true
right,
which
is
if
council
said,
measure
j,
this
is
what
we
want
you
to
do
and
then
you
said
well,
have
you
thought
of
this
other
thing?
They
may
say:
oh
geez,
no,
we
didn't
good
point.
We
actually
want
to
revise
our
thinking
right,
so
this
isn't
quite
linear,
even
though
the
organizational
chart
is
linear
and
council
sits
on
top
and
makes
the
decisions.
G
What
we
really
want
is
more
like
a
cycle
where
measure
j
says
this
is
how
we
see
the
world
council
says
thanks
for
the
input,
let
us
take
that
input
and
consider
it
with
all
the
other
things
that
we
know
and
have
to
grapple
with
and
share
back
with
you
kind
of
what
the
direction
is
based
on
that
you
start
to
implement
that
direction,
but
then
share
other
thoughts
that
you
have
along
the
way
as
you
implement
it.
That
changes
their
thinking
and
it's
kind
of
constantly
going
back
and
forth.
G
G
I
think
that's
not
likely
because
I
think,
usually
even
absent
a
really
concrete
strategic
focus,
we're
talking
about
the
things
we're
talking
about
for
good
reasons
right,
but
usually
what's
missing.
There
is
something
really
more
concrete
in
terms
of
what
is
first,
what
is
second,
you
know
the
five
year,
cip,
really
forced
that
exercise
a
little
bit,
but
but
even
then,
I
don't
know
that
it's
been
fully
reconciled
with
the
capacity
of
our
engineering
team
or
you
know
all
of
the
fine
details.
G
So
I
I
think,
probably
everything
we're
doing
already
reflects
those
priorities.
It's
just
not
refined
I'll.
Give
you
a
really
good
example.
When
we
sat
down
to
do
one
of
our
first
staff
sessions
on
putting
together
this
program
for
council,
I
asked
the
question:
what's
gone
well
and
what
hasn't
gone
well
in
the
past,
we
pulled
out
a
2016
program
and
the
goal
for
that
year
was
to
build
the
downtown
park.
You
know
that
was
2016..
Well,
it's
happening,
but
it's
2021.
G
so
and
that's
a
common
theme
right,
we're
constantly
taking
on
more
than
we
can
really
do
so
if
nothing
else,
we
have
to
decide.
What's
most
important
and
what's
slightly
less
so
that
we
know
what
gets
delayed
or
deferred,
but
even
better
if
we
could
create
a
plan,
that's
actually
executable
within
whatever
period
we're
talking
12
months,
24
36
doesn't
matter.
G
That
would
be
even
better,
and
if
you
look
back
in
the
history
that
really
just
hasn't
happened,
we've
constantly
said
we're
going
to
do
more
than
we've
been
able
to
do
so,
so
something
there
needs
to
be
tweaked
to
get
it
a
little
more
organized.
Because
what
happens
is
somebody
was
expecting
that
something
to
be
done
and
then,
when
it
doesn't
get
done,
it
leaves
people
kind
of
frustrated.
You
know
we
talked
about
creating
a
an
equity
and
social
justice
committee.
G
J
G
To
work
with
that's
exactly
right:
you're,
you
are
first
in
input
to
this
program
so
that
you
can
say,
counsel
here's
the
world,
as
we
see
it
from
the
perspective
of
measure
j
and
this
funding
source
and
again
I've
seen
the
five-year
cip-
and
I
know,
there's
rationale
behind
it.
But
I
don't
know
the
rationale.
G
I
don't
know
if
projects
were
picked
because
the
project
by
itself
was
good
or
because
there
was
a
theme
or
a
principle
behind
it,
like
let's
focus
on
our
existing
facilities
before
we
build
new
ones
or
let's
focus
on
you
name,
it
parks
and
recreation
more
than
you
know
something
else,
and
so
that
would
be
good
for
council
to
to
not
only
have
the
the
list.
But
what
was
the
thinking?
You
know
what?
Why
was
one
thing
put
in
year,
one
and
another
in
year
three?
Why
was
something
left
off
the
list
entirely?
G
If
that
makes
sense,
and
so
they
have
the
benefit
of
not
just
the
what?
But
why
why?
Why
did
you
think
these
things
might
be
important,
because
that's
what's
really
going
to
influence?
What
they're
thinking
which
is?
Is
the
point
in
part-
and
I
know
age
commission
is
different,
and
this
kind
of
commission
had
an
oversight
role
which
is
kind
of
different
than
an
advisory
role,
but
bottom
line.
Let's
all
share
our
thinking
with
council,
so
they
have
the
benefit
of
that
insight.
G
And
then,
let's
ask
them
to
do
the
job
that
they're
hired
to
do
or
elected
to
do,
which
is
to
reconcile
all
that
and
figure
out
where
we're
going
and
to
give
us
the
direction
where
we're
going
and
then
we
in
the
next
part
of
the
process
are
helping
them
figure
out
how
to
get
there
right.
So
if
they
say
for
two
years,
we'd
like
to
focus
on
x
and
for
the
next
three
after
that
focus
on
y,
then
you
have
clearer
direction
and
can
go
back
and
refine.
Some
of
those
lists
right.
C
G
Both
because
of
the
different
roles
and
functions,
and
because
some
are
already
very
strategic
and
and
some
are
a
little
more
ad
hoc
right.
So
if
you've
done
a
lot
of
that
and
and
the
list
is
it's
been
reconciled
and
the
principles
behind
it
and
the
reasons
why
is
well
established,
it's
probably
as
simple
as
writing
it
down.
G
So
that
council
gets
the
benefit
of
that
insight
at
a
very
kind
of
condensed
level
right,
because
you've
you've
put
that
together
over
months
and
we're
going
to
try
to
convey
it
to
a
city
council
in
minutes
or
or
an
hour
or
half
an
hour,
so
that
we
can
do
the
same
thing
with
sustainability
and
arts.
And
you
know
big
areas
like
housing
or
homeless.
It's
a
fairly
high
level
exercise,
but
you've
also
done
some
of
that.
I
don't
want
to
say
in
a
vacuum,
but
without
perfect
clarity
from
counsel
right.
G
So,
if
council's
been
thinking,
my
top
priority
is
to
build
fire
stations,
and
you
guys
were
thinking.
We
really
need
to
get
to
a
library
I'm
making
this
up,
and
I
realized
you've
done
a
little
bit
of
both.
Then
then,
there's
there's
a
coming
together.
That
needs
to
happen.
Why
library,
why
fire
station
at
a
reconciliation
so
that
we
have
clarity
so
that
we
have
a
plan
that
everybody's
touched?
G
E
Can
I
speak
a
moment?
You
spoke
about
having
a
liaison
with
council
and
I
think
that
would
be
a
real
important
move.
So
when
the
question
comes
up,
our
liaison
can
address
it
to
them,
and
I'm
going
to
talk
in
my
report
on
the
projects
because
I've,
given
it's
a
lot
of
thought
and
when
you
can
get
counsel
to
come
up
with
their
eight
really
important
things
they
want
and
can
accomplish.
E
I
think
major
jay
can
follow
along
on
that
same
line
before
they
had
hot
spots,
and
mr
marshall
can
address
it.
There
was
a
theme
to
the
projects
they
did.
So
I'm
I'm
going
to
speak
about
that
later,
not
right
now,
but
I
really
support
that
idea
and
there
should
be
a
liaison
so
that
we
don't
have
miscommunication
with
city
council.
G
K
G
To
100
emails
a
day,
they're
asked
to
meet
with
citizens
left
and
right
and
and
some
of
them
work
full
time
and
are
starting
families
and
doing
other
things
they.
They
have
created
a
behemoth
of
structure
to
input,
a
bottleneck
which
is
the
council
process,
so
maybe
they
can
delegate.
Maybe
they
can
do
things,
but
for
them
to
be
more
engaged
and
more
present.
G
I'll
just
be
honest,
I
don't
know
how
they
can
do
it
and-
and
I
would
argue
they
can't-
or
they
certainly
can't
do
it
well
so
somewhere
in
there
is
staff
fulfilling
a
role,
because
we're
paid
to
be
here
full
time
all
the
time
but
but
we've
been
deferring
to
council,
sometimes,
which
is
our
job,
but
council
can
say
to
staff
delegate,
I'm
delegating
that
liaison
role
to
you.
I
want
you
to
communicate
back
and
forth
a
little
better.
We
can
create
a
system
of
reporting,
that's
different
from
what
we
have
now.
G
J
D
D
The
ordinance
is
very
broad
as
to
what
is
community
or
downtown
development,
and-
and
I
mean
that
can
be
communities.
Basically,
everything
from
you
know
street
paving
to
fixing
a
sidewalk
to
to
you
know
to
helping
something
in
the
police
department,
so
half
salaries,
it's
gonna,
take
a
lot
of
it's
gonna.
Take
a
lot
of
I
mean,
as
we've
seen,
there's
a
lot
of
variety
of
projects
that
are
very,
and
I
mean
we
talk
about
them
after
engineering
has
done.
D
You
know
dozens
of
hours
of
research
and
I
think
it's
they're
either
going
to
have
to
be
a
very
broad
direction
that
we
can
move
from
if
they
can't
be
more
involved,
but
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
detail
within
that
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
follow
exactly
from
half
an
hour
direction
or
an
hour
direction
in
the
beginning.
It's
not
like
it's
not
like
public
art
or
something
like
that,
which
is
a
little
bit
more
streamlined
as
to
what
how
the
process
and
focus
is
so
that
I
mean-
and
this.
D
F
G
And
the
goal
is
if
you've,
given
them
the
input
and
then
they've
said
from
a
very
high
level.
This
is
what
you'd
like
to
focus
on
when
the
cip
comes
to
them.
It's
it's,
not
it's
not
a
new
thing.
It
doesn't
need
as
much
conversation
and-
and
we
don't
see
what
we
saw
this
year
where
they
say
boy,
I'm
not
ready
to
just
buy
into
that.
G
I
don't
know
where
it
came
from,
don't
know
exactly
where
it
came
from,
because
it
came
from
the
input
you
provided
them,
the
reconciliation,
the
prioritization
they
did
and
gave
back
to
you
and
then
you're
bringing
them
something
they
were
already
expecting
to
see
so
you're
totally
right.
This
will
look
different
at
all
the
commission
levels
for
sure,
but
we
hope
to
accomplish
some
similar
efficiency
across
the
board
and-
and
maybe
efficiency
is
not
even
the
right
word
clarity.
Where
are
we
going
right?
How
important
is
one
project
versus
another
within
measure
j?
G
How
important
is
homelessness
compared
to
sustainability
initiatives
or
economic
development?
You
know
I'm
trying
to
do
this
very
broadly
and
not
ignore
even
some
commissions,
where
it
is
a
lot
more
focused
already
to
give
them
also
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in,
but
you
may
have
much
less
work
to
do
there
than
we
have
to
do.
Reconciling
those
big
operations
and
management
areas.
K
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
really
quickly
address
commissioner
soto's
question
to
joel,
and
I
the
one
thing
you
did
get
differently
in
the
last
few
months
was
the
five-year
cip
sheets
you're.
Definitely
now
getting
projects
in
a
more
you're,
getting
more
information
in
a
more
organized
fashion
that
the
commission
has
ever
gotten
you've
seen
it
for
about
two
or
three
meetings
and
so
you're
kind
of
pretty
comfortable
at
it.
K
When
you
consider
how
city
council
got
it,
they
got
it
as
a
small
piece
of
this
large
budget
and
they
were
reading
hundreds
of
pages
of
documents.
You
guys
actually
have
the
advantage
of
like
taking
your
time
digesting
it.
You
know
you've
seen
it
a
few
times
so
you're
very
comfortable
with
it.
As
you
know,
as
you
see,
we
move
forward,
maybe
that's
one
strength
that
you.
You
know
that
has
been
done
differently
to
answer
your
question.
C
I
I'm
just
unclear
as
to
like
you
guys,
updated
this
and
shared
it
for
today's
packet
and
like
what
are
we
talking
about,
then,
if
we're
still
going
to
be
waiting
for
direction,
when
we've
I
mean,
I
guess
that
there's
the
dog
park
right,
but
I
I'm
just
like-
and
I
hate
to
like
belabor
this,
and
I
know
we're
talking
a
lot.
I
just
I
really
don't
understand
what
to.
B
G
We'll
make
it
more
clear
with
some
questions,
but
but
the
real
simple
thing
would
be
help
us
understand
why
these
projects
were
selected
right
and
then,
when
we
give
them
to
council
we're
also
asking
them.
What
are
your
broad
priorities
and
they
might
be
different.
Some
of
them
might
be
thinking.
Districts
right.
Is
there
equity
between
districts?
Have
you
guys
looked
at
it
from
that
perspective
or
not?
Maybe
you
have,
but
maybe
you
haven't,
in
which
case
you'd
say.
G
Oh
good
point,
let's
evaluate
this
from
the
perspective
of
equity
among
districts
or
maybe
there's
a
different
kind
of
social
equity
angle
to
it,
and
they
want
to
ask
you
to
evaluate
it
that
way,
so
so
you're
going
to
share
with
them
what
your
thinking
is
they're
going
to
share
with
you
what
their
thinking
is
and
then
out
is
going
to
come
something
more
clear
and
it
might
be
the
exact
list
that
exists
today.
It
most
likely
will
look
at
least
a
little
different,
because
there'll
be
more
people
engaged
in
reviewing
it
and
considering
it.
F
A
F
B
A
H
So
3a
is
a
review
and
discussion
of
the
project
survey
from
form
and
processing
of
the
completed
procedures,
and
I
think
don
was
the
one
that
was
spearheading
that
and
if
that's
really
what
you
want
to
talk
about
it
surveyed
now
we're
going
to
get
that
out.
I
think
that
was
the
additional
documentation
that
was
sent
out.
B
K
E
E
E
If
I
think
it's
two
and
they
don't
blow
up,
so
we
would
have
agreement
there
that
these
applications
do
not
move
forward,
and
then
we
put
them
together
in
groupings.
As
you
see,
a
is
going
to
be
business
and
tourism
on
down
the
list
that
you
have,
and
so
the
three
people
on
that
subcommittee
would
be
responsible
for
reading
the
applications
of
the
av
or
cd,
how,
whatever
group
they
get.
E
Okay,
that's
really
great,
and
then
we
had
to
say
to
commissioners
they're
ready
to
be
read
and
in
thinking
about
this
I
really
got
overwhelmed,
particularly
with
maybe
sid's
problem
with
his
computer
and
my
dumb
thing.
Yesterday,
not
all
of
us
work
on
the
same
system,
just
getting
somebody
to
make
sure
that
technology
works.
We
go
from
that
digital
platform
over
to
this
guy
and
then
sitting
there
and
reading.
If
you
have
a
hundred
to
me,
that's
overwhelming
you
had
200
and
some.
E
That
is
it's
impossible
to
do
that.
I
think
this
is
really
something
we
need
to
think
about
in
the
next
month
and
as
the
new
city
manager
has
said,
if
city
council
comes
up
with
eight
priorities
and
we
as
major
jay
can
take
some
of
those
priorities
and
really
make
those
our
priority
too,
like
hot
spots,
that
was
your
original
commission's
goal.
Am
I
right
don?
You
worked
on
hot
spots,
you
didn't
work
on
planting
trees,
you
didn't
work
on
solving
homelessness.
You
worked
on
hot
spots
and
so
the
applications
came
that
way.
E
So
I
think
we
need
to
finish
our
work
that
we're
in
now
allow
the
manager
to
do
what
he
needs
to
do
with
council.
Nothing
is
going
to
happen
in
september,
I
mean
I,
I
really
feel
right
away.
We
don't
have
a
survey
out.
We
don't
have
a
process
out
who's
going
to
do
what
who's
going
to
write.
That
survey.
E
E
How
that
process
is
going
to
function
is
something
I
really
think
we
all
have
to
think
about
how
many
applications
do
each
of
us
want
to
read
and
do
we
spend
a
special
day
with
the
tally
she
adding
this
all
up,
so
we,
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
how
we
can
make
it
more
streamlined,
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
individuals
in
the
community
groups
in
the
community
can
ask
for
something
from
this
commission,
because
that's
how
it
was
voted
upon.
I
think
it
could
be
bi-annual.
E
It
doesn't
have
to
do
every
year.
Somehow,
maybe
we
ought
to
go
to
a
bi-annual
just
eliminating
the
money
giving
out
the
money.
I
think
there's
something
we
now
because
everything's
new
everything's
new
in
what
we're
doing
in
the
cities.
I
think
maybe
today
has
time
to
really
think
this
through
better
and
more
economical
for
our
time
more
significant
to
the
city,
less
really
detailed
work
on
staff's
behalf.
E
F
E
F
E
Yeah
on
the
process
of
what
we
are
going
to
select,
I
think
what
we
have
in
the
middle
now
we
need
to
at
least
talk
about,
and
if
we
get
different
direction,
we're
going
to
get
that.
I
don't
think
we
should
throw
out
that
work,
but
I
think
whatever
is
going
to
come
into
us.
It
needs
to
be
a
different
process,
and
I
I
really
you
know,
ask
everybody
to
think
about
that,
and
maybe
that
is
the
answer
nancy-
that
we
need
to
spend
some
of
that
money
to
be
more
professional.
F
E
C
Okay,
I
just
have
a
question
and
then
a
comment.
All
of
these
conversations
about
council
priorities,
I
thought
were
for
measure
j
funds
outside
of
the
community
initiated
projects
or
is
it
all
measure
j
funds?
My
impression
was
that
community
initiative
community
community
initiated
projects
would
be
a
million
dollars
up
to
the
discretion
of
measure
j.
That
is
correct.
I
think
that
this
whole
conversation
about
making
sure
measure
j
is
in
line
and
we're
you
know.
Making
a
cyclical
process
of
gathering
feedback
and
receiving
feedback
was
completely
separate
from
the
community-initiated
projects.
Right.
C
Yeah-
that
was
my
question
too,
and
so
I
with
that,
I
think,
that's
a
project
we
can
work
on
and
can't
execute
on
and
don't
have
to
wait
until
november
to
get
that
council
feedback.
So
I
would
really
encourage
us
to
us,
as
a
group,
decide
how
we
want
to
move
forward
and
and
really
try
to
meet
that
september
deadline
to.
I
think
it
was
like
release
it
and
then
gather
get
applications
by
december.
I'm
like
the
dates
are
fuzzy
now,
but
you
know
I.
F
Well,
listen,
I
think
if
you
guys,
if
you
get
your
list
together
for
your
million
dollars,
we'll
bring
that
hope
that
to
the
council
with
maybe
another
option
or
two,
if
there's
something
on
there,
they're,
not
in
love
with,
but
usually
every
time
you
bring
your
community
projects.
I
I
don't
think
they've
really,
since
I've
been
here,
haven't
taken
anything
off,
we
can
work
on
the
staff
report.
I
If
I
can
add
a
point,
nancy
probably
point
directing
this
to
you.
So
the
the
feel-good
experience
of
having
nancy
suggest
that
we
go
to
a
third
party
to
manage
this
sounded
great
and
maybe
there's
also
a
another
key
step
that
a
third
party
can
can
manage
for
us,
which
is
to
create
a
workflow
so
that
we
can
then
independently
do
our
part
as
commissioners
to
evaluate
and
score
the
projects,
and
I
think
that
might
make
things
not
it's
probably
pretty
easy
in
the
real
world
to
do
that.
F
So
let
me
first
say
that,
if
it's
possible
and
again
I
would
bring
the
application
to
the
city
manager
for
review
before
we
send
it
out
and
also
it's
up
to
him
if
he
wants
to
then
take
it
to
the
city
council
for
their
approval,
but
other
than
that,
I
think
we're
pretty
good
to
go
green
light
and
start
moving
forward
and
picking
projects.
Once
we
get
our
survey
back
more
applications.
C
F
And
now
and
they'll
manipulate
the
data.
I
would
like
to
get
them
involved
at
the
beginning
and
unless
there's
something
easier
that
they
they
would
recommend
since
they're
the
expert,
but
I
think
we
create
what
we
want.
We
I'll
find
out.
You
know,
get
a
couple:
companies
we'll
give
them
a
call
and
then
find
out
what
what
do
you
do
and
what
would
be
the
cost
and
I'm
assuming
they
have
a
great
database
where
they
pull
all
this
information.
F
We
give
them
direction
anything
that's
not
completed
or,
like
you
said,
under
a
certain
amount
or
doesn't
make
sense,
they
can
put
on
a
separate
spreadsheet
and
we
can
review
that
even
if
at
a
later
time,
so
we
know
how
many
we
got
that
either
a
incomplete
or
b
didn't
make
any
sense.
In
case
you
do
get
a
call
or
email
and
they're
like
well.
Why
didn't
you
select
my
project.
I
F
Yeah,
I
have
a
note
here,
I'll
start
on
monday
or
if
not
even
this
weekend,
I'll
start
trying
to
figure
out.
You
know
sending
some
emails,
seeing
what
we
use
for
the
city,
I'll
email,
a
couple,
close
cities
next
to
us
and
see
who
they
use
or
how
they
do
their
surveys.
And
we
should
have
something
to
you
by
next
week.
F
F
D
But
I
think
I
agree
that
the
fact
that
this,
if
this
could
delay
things
further,
I
mean
I
I
think,
we've
been
in
a
talk
and
weight
pattern
for
a
long
time
now
and
I
and
I
think
the
fact
that
we
want
to
start
seeing
things
executed
and-
and
we
want
to
see
public
input
and
and
awareness
of
measure
j.
I'm
just
concerned
that
that
I
understand
with
getting
things
organized
and
done
properly,
and
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea.
F
So
let's
do
this
I'll
I'll
meet
with
shentel
and
dan
and
joelle
next
week
and
say
these
are
the
three
I
came
up
with.
Do
we
want
to
have
a
special
meeting
and
this
is
the
cost.
It
has
to
be
cost
realistic
right
so
and-
and
I
move
really
fast-
maybe
too
fast-
sometimes
jeffrey.
So
my
anticipation
is
having
a
special
meeting
and
having
them
get
that
survey
out
in
the
next
week
or
two.
F
B
F
C
F
Agree,
I
agree,
or
do
we
put
something
instead
of
actually
putting
a
survey
out
put
something
at
the
location
saying
please
go
on
to
the
website
at
and
fill
out.
Complete
measure
do
like
a
measure,
j
logo
type
of
thing
and
have
them
put
those
at
the
locations
with
the
link
and
if
they
need
to
they
don't
have
a
computer.
We
could
recommend
them
go
to
the
library
with
the
address.
C
I
I
I
have
a
quick
point,
not
not
for
discussion,
but
but
a
request
for
our
request
circle.
I
want
to
circle
an
item
for
the
subcommittee
to
look
at.
I
don't
usually
get
this
sensitive
on
points,
it's
a
little
subtle
and
which
is
why
I
don't
think
it's
a
discussion
point
for
right
now.
The
category
f6
is
kind
of
a
catch-all,
and
maybe
it
needs
to
be
labeled
differently,
so
that
when
this
has
a
when
this
has
a
perpetual
place
in
records,
it's
a
sensible
category
name.
I
E
This
time
they
were
not
on
the
application
before
thinking
that
those
communities
may
ask
for
funding,
but
we
can
see
where
we
can
fit
those
in
robin.
That's
a
very
fair
observation.
I
think
you
have
to
tell
us
to
approve
of
the
scoring
sheet
and
then
we
can
move
on
from
this
discussion,
and
then
I
will
get
all
that
information
to
nancy
and
just.
C
I
D
D
G
Accurate,
not
quite
can
I
clarify
yeah
yeah,
so
what
happened
is-
and
this
is
a
kind
of
a
classic
example
of
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
say
we're
kind
of
spread
out
all
over
the
place.
So
we
have
certain
procurement
rules
and
and
basically,
when
certain
services
are
procured,
they're,
okay,
until
they
reach
a
certain
threshold.
G
If
we
have
a
contract
valued
at
more
than
25
000,
we
have
to
bid
that
out
competitively,
and
so
what
we
had
is
a
couple
of
contracts
that
started
small
and
then
they
were
expanded
and
they
were
expanded
and
they
were
expanded
and
sometimes
they
were
expanded
a
little
bit
outside
the
original
purpose.
So,
for
instance,
if
we
had
a
relationship
with
a
consultant
and
we
were
using
them
for
spanish
language
or
something
else-
and
then
we
thought
oh,
we
could.
We
could
do
some
measure
j
videos
too.
G
We
have
to
resolve
what
are
our
communications
initiatives.
What
is
our
capacity?
We
put
a
bunch
of
money
in
the
budget
that
would
enable
us
to
hire
more
staff
or
hire
more
consultants.
But
I'll
be
honest.
This
is
all
over
the
place
again.
You
know
the
the
arts
commission
has
been
kind
of
doing
their
own
thing,
creating
their
own
website
doing
their
own
press
measure.
Js
wanted
to
promote
itself.
That's
all
good.
We've
got
a
police
department
that
had
its
own
social
media
person
to
focus
on
their
stuff.
G
Meanwhile,
we
don't
have
a
social
media
person.
We
were
relying
on
kind
of
two
contracts:
we've
got
kind
of
two
people
that
do
communications,
sort
of
amy
and
denise,
but
they're
not
even
really
housed
in
the
same
department.
So
there
is
a
component
of
this
that
is
like.
We
can
do
a
lot
better
than
this
with
an
organized
program,
but
we
don't
want
to
just
stop
the
good
things
that
we're
doing.
In
the
meantime,
the
only
true
stoppage
was
to
close
out
a
contract
that
had
been
spent
and
start
a
new
one.
G
But
since
we
didn't
see
that
coming
in
time
the
rfp
process
does
take,
you
know
a
few
weeks
to
get
somebody
on
board,
and
it
very
well
might
be
one
of
the
companies
we've
already
been
working
with.
I
don't
know
that
for
sure,
because
we
have
to
let
that
process
play
out,
so
we
will
keep
doing
this.
But
the
other
thing
I'd
like
to
do
with
support
of
this
group
and
a
strategic
planning
session
with
council
is
figure
out.
G
What
are
our
strategic
communications
priorities
and
how
can
we
make
sure
we're
kind
of
taking
at
least
a
consistent
approach
across
the
spectrum
of
these
priorities?
We're
kind
of
getting
beat
up
on
homelessness
on
social
media,
there's
a
bunch
of
stuff
on
crime
on
next
door.
I
won't
even
go
on
it
as
a
neighbor,
because
some
of
it
is
so
the
way
it
is,
and
so
we
have
to
decide.
Where
are
we
going
to
direct
those
resources?
It
can't
really
just
be
shotgun.
G
Do
everything,
because
that's
not
an
effective
communication
strategy,
so
we
just
have
to
be
a
little
more
selective
and
and
start
to
have
a
central
component
to
all
of
these
disparate
pieces.
In
the
meantime,
we
will
have
resources.
So
if
there's
something
that's
really,
you
know
pressing.
We
can
continue
on
some
of
those
campaigns
as
we
transition
to
something
a
little
more
focused
and
long-term,
where
I
hope
we'll
develop
some
of
this
capacity
in-house,
because
we
really
it's
inefficient
to
do
this
all
through
consultants.
D
Okay,
well
just
I
mean
to
fill
you
in
on
the
discussion.
We
as
a
commission
had
what
reason
why
we
we
started.
This
was
that
there
is
not
enough
communication
to
the
to
the
public
about
measure
j
funds
and
how
they're
used
there's
not
even
very
good
communication
anymore
about
what
measure
j
is
and-
and
I
think
you
know-
between
new
residents
and
and
memory
labs
and
people
who
are
not
that
involved
in
the
beginning.
D
We
understand
the
homeless
issue
and
we
understand
the
the
the
crime
issue,
but
this
is
actually
something
that
there
is.
I
mean
may
not
ever
happen
as
fast
as
people
want,
but
there
is
are
things
happening
and
a
lot
of
these
directly
affect
the
community
and
specifically,
as
it
came
to
the
downtown
park,
you
know
it's
there's
different
opinions
about
whether
that's
a
community
park
and
so
the
idea
that
one
of
the
discussions
that
we
had
is
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
D
D
G
G
We
are
bringing
forward
a
request
at
the
very
next
council
meeting
to
fill
what
used
to
be
a
time
position
for
video
type
production
that
was
primarily
used
to
record
these
meetings
and
others,
but
we're
asking
to
make
it
a
full-time
position
so
that
we
can
do
more
of
the
kind
of
side
work
like
the
videos
that
you
guys
were
creating,
so
we're
trying
to
hire
that
person
right
now
and
and
do
more
of
that
good
stuff.
We
do
want
to
be
careful.
G
I
want
to
do
more,
not
less
for
sure.
So,
let's,
let's
get
there,
we
we
already
stumbled
over
ourselves
by
kind
of
advancing
a
contract
before
we
were
noticing
we
were
at
the
end
of
it
and
not
getting
another
one
going.
So
this
is
kind
of
why
we
need
to
work
together
a
little
more
tightly
line.
These
things
out
make
sure
they're
strategic
curate
that
kind
of
program
a
little
bit
more
across
the
board
and
be
selective
with
our
tools.
G
If
social
media
is
saturated
or
we're
doing
other
things,
it's
brochures
or
a
mailer
or
signs,
and
and
and
we
should
brand
them.
So
they
look
nice
and
professional
and
somewhat
consistent
within
at
least
within
programs,
if
not
throughout
the
city,
and
as
some
of
you
know
from
doing
that
kind
of
work,
we
don't
do
a
phenomenal
job
of
that.
So
so
we
need.
We
can
do
better.
E
F
We
don't,
I
don't,
have
an
admin
assistant
and
I'm
so
happy
that
chantal
is
able
to
help
me
out
during
this
past
year,
yeah
and
she's
doing
her
full-time
job
plus
helping
me
out
with
this.
This
commission,
so
we've
been
working
on
it
and
she
did
bring
some
items
over
for
me
today.
We
wanted
to
meet
with
joelle
and
don
to
see
if
they
have
any
updated
pictures
that
we
could
also
put
on
there
yeah.
We.
G
We'll
pick
up
we'll
pick
up
speed
the
transition
in
my
office,
then
the
assistant
city
manager,
police,
chief,
coming
out
of
the
pandemic.
We
just
rehired
a
bunch
of
people
that
were
laid
off.
We
still
have
a
couple
dozen
frozen
positions.
I
want
to
do
it
all
yesterday
too,
but
but
we
will
get
there.
I
promise.
F
A
F
F
And-
and
just
so
you
know
some
of
you
probably
know
in
government-
it
takes
a
little
bit.
Some
things
do
take
a
little
bit
longer
because
the
processes
is
actually
you
have
to
write
an
rfp
which
is
usually
like
15
pages.
Then
you
have
to
send
it
out.
Then
you
have
to
wait
like
30
days
for
people
to
bid
on
it.
Then
you
have
to
have
interviews
and
have
an
interview
panel.
Then
you
have
to
make
a
selection.
Then
you
have
to
have
the
contract
drawn
up.
So
it's
a
long
process.
F
A
G
G
I
A
F
F
So
on
my
spreadsheet,
I
have
it
to
the
side.
So
when
we're
able
to
bring
it
back,
I
can
bring
it
back
over.
One
smart
person
had
mentioned
to
me
you're
all
very
smart,
but
the
debt
service
had
gone
from
1.4
to
1.7
and
I
was
going
to
lower
it,
but
I
remembered
that
that
was
the
approved
budget
at
1.7.
F
F
D
F
F
B
J
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
something
because
I
was
having
a
hard
time
making
a
comment
that
for
background
on
this
community
money,
the
million
dollars
of
for
those
who
are
aware
when
we
did
that
early
on,
we
found
that
city
council
was
always
coming
in
with
their
projects.
Actually
the
city
was
coming
in
with
their
projects.
There
was
never
any
money
to
do
the
projects
we
wanted
for
the
citizens.
J
So
in
some
negotiation
with
the
mayor
at
that
time
and
the
city
council,
we
got
that
million
dollars
that
we
get
to
decide
pretty
much.
That
said,
I
I
still
think
that,
even
though
you're
gonna,
I'm
sure,
you've
seen
enough
capital
projects
from
the
city
come
in,
there's
not
enough
money
to
cover
them
all.
So,
going
back
to
justin's
comment
about
his
ranking,
I
think
that's
part
of
our
oversight
and
telling
the
council
what
the
capital
projects
the
city
has
already
taken
the
rest
of
that
money
in
where
do
we
see
our
priorities?
F
F
E
J
E
E
B
I
B
J
J
J
It
away
from
the
million
dollars
we
were
going
to
get
parks
and
recreation
well.
To
be
quite
honest.
What
I'm
seeing
and
I
may
have
missed
something
over
the
last
two
years.
None
of
those
projects
that
sid
and
his
group
brought
forward
to
us
have
gotten
done.
So
if
I
were
to
rank
city
projects,
I
would
say
this
is
a
priority.
J
A
I
Sorry
I
was
throwing
a
bug
away.
Okay
said
the
the
this
is
not
really
additive,
but
to
tag
along
to
others.
Comments
that
I
think
the
list
itself
that
we
received
as
part
of
the
agenda
today
for
the
discussion,
the
five-year
projects-
they're
they're.
Still
we
we
have
these
recurring
discussion
points
from
specific
projects
that
I
think
collectively,
maybe
not
as
a
whole,
but
certainly
as
a
majority.
E
H
I'll
try
to
jump
in
here.
I
know
that
donna
and
I
have
kind
of
just
been
hearing
the
discussions
and,
ultimately,
all
those
decisions
that
come
from
your
commission
all
your
surveys,
all
the
work
that
you
put
into
will
eventually
come
to
don
and
I
to
deliver.
So
all
the
work
that
you
will
put
into
it
will
become
projects
that
don
and
I
actually
have
to
build
for
you.
H
H
I
know,
commissioner,
robin
asked
me
to
see
how
16
million
dollars
worth
of
projects
would
look
versus
the
original
five
that
I
had
in
my
five-year
cip
and
truly
touching
a
little
bit
on
what
commissioner
salto
was
asking
earlier
about.
What's
different
now
and
and
what
I
wanted
to
say.
But
I
really
didn't
say
it
is
that
these
are
basically
the
same
exact
projects.
H
We've
had
for
a
long
time,
they've
been
they
were
brought
forward,
maybe
five
years
ago,
even
before
our
time
they've
been
around,
they
seem
to
have
just
lingered
and
some
of
them
the
the
better
projects.
I
guess,
if
you
will,
for
back
to
lack
of
a
better
term,
we
constructed
we
got
them
done,
but
these
other
ones
are
still
hanging
around
and
I
think
a
big
example
of
something
that
has
been
around
for
a
long
time
is
fire
station
number
one.
I
F
What
what
done
joelle
can
explain
what
they
send
a
request
out
to
the
departments
so
that
it's
fair
it's
going
to
go
to
the
parks
and
rec
it's
going
to
go
to
the
facilities
and
it's
going
to
go
to
sustainability
and
fire
and
police.
So
we
thought
it
would
be
fair
if
they
brought
them
all
back
the
request
and
if
they
wanted
to
come,
give
a
presentation
to
you
on
those
projects
at
one
time,
yeah
for
clarification.
B
H
Not
the
community
project,
it's
the
overall
so
when,
when
we
set
out
to
do
our
five-year
cip
and
when
we
look
at
next
year,
for
example,
we
will
send
a
request
to
all
our
departments
to
fill
out.
The
forms
that
you
have
in
your
spreadsheet
here
or
in
the
attachment
from
the
memo
from
engineering
they'll
have
to
fill
out
a
form,
explain
a
project,
explain
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
and
then
we
would
bring
it
forward
and
maybe
even
bring
them
forward
to
present
to
the
commission
for
their
request.
H
The
only
one
is
that's
different,
I
guess
to
point
out
is
the
dog
park
and
if
you
want
to
ask
some
questions
about
that,
but
it's
really
a
project
there
that
we,
the
city,
is
going
after
grant
money
for,
and
I
think
the
total
cost
is
about
3.2
million
3.5
million
and
the
city's
share
is
going
to
be
50
of
that.
So,
if
you
get
the
grant
goal,
I
think,
or
what
was
set
in
motion
is
to
have
major
day
for
the
second
before
the
pay
for
this.
H
So
there
could
be
privy
funds,
but
I
think
the
original
goal
that
was
set
out
when
the
project
was
introduced
was
to
have
measure
j
pay
for
the
entire
fund.
At
this
point,
we're
only
asking
for
funding
for
design,
but
I
think
the
ultimate
goal
was
to
come
back
to
ask
for
the
450
for
measure
day.
Yeah
quinby.
E
Just
not
to
go
on
and
on,
but
the
library
remodel
I
mean
what
is
the
reality
there
you're
going
to
do
the
fray
building
in
the
next
two
years
right,
so
that
would
be
the
place
where
director
case
would
take
her
services
and
that
would
then
allow
in
23
and
24
under
26
that
something
begins
at
the
library.
So
what
was
the
plan
for
that.
C
B
B
H
Right,
I
think
that
sort
of
ties
into
the
bigger
discussion
of
council
priorities-
you
know
sitting
down
and
that's
why
I
didn't
include
it
in
my
original
list,
but
the
task
of
spending
16
million
dollars.
You
think
it'd
be
easy.
It
isn't
right.
You
need
to
look
at
everything.
So
that's
why
I
brought
all
these
projects,
and
this
is
how
I
would
say
if
you
want
me
to
put
60
million
dollars
away.
Here's
a
way
to
do
it
with
projects
that
have
existed,
but
that's
not
my
preference.
H
My
preference
is
to
fund
projects
that
that
over
a
period
of
time
and
really
ask
for
the
full
amount
of
money
when
we're
getting
ready
for
construction,
at
least
in
the
fiscal
year
we're
going
to
construct
it.
But
that's
that's
what
I
was
asked
to
do.
So,
that's
why
you
have
this
list
and
that's
why
I
put
the
money
in
the
main
library,
renovation.
E
Yeah
I
mean
I
understand
that
was
the
end
of
the
discussion
of
that
beginning,
but
the
building
itself
isn't
going
anywhere
in
my
opinion,
and
there
are
major
things
that
need
to
be
done
there.
That
could
be
done
there.
Also
joel
on
the
other
resources
on
the
second
page
is
the
foundation.
Now
that
could
be
included
as
outside
sources
of
president.
Am
I
right.
D
I
could
do
it
yeah
on
the
library
we
had
previously
set
aside
funds
for
what
we
knew
would
either
something
that
would
happen
whether
it
was
a
renovation
or
a
new
building
or
movement,
and-
and
I
I
know
here
it
says
renovation-
I
think
that
would
be
dependent
upon
the
library
coming
back
with
what
their
actual
plan
is.
But
what
we
had
said
was
that
you
know,
since
it
was
likely
to
be
a
lot
of
money,
and
we
didn't
want
to
put
all
the
money
at
once
at
any
one
point.
D
K
Those
buckets
out
as
part
of
the
pandemic
kind
of
balancing
everything
out
those
line.
Items
in
the
budget
were
all
zeroed
out
when
we
thought
we
were
gonna,
have
a
huge
short
fall.
So
now
we're
kind
of
starting
from
scratch
again,
but
I
think
it's
still
in
the
five-year
budget,
it's
just
that
we
pushed
it
to
like
the
later
years,
knowing
there
would
be
a
huge
public
process
determining
how
the
park
would
be
used,
and
so
obviously,
when
you
have
public
meetings,
it
delays
things.
K
So
we
didn't
foresee
like
the
big
chunk
of
money
being
needed
in
the
next
two
years,
but
the
big
construction
could
possibly
start.
Maybe
three
years
from
now
or
most
you
know,
there's
was
so
many
question
marks
as
far
as
when
we
would
need
the
funding
that
we
just
thought
it
was
prudent
to
push
it
out
in
the
later
years
and
then,
as
more
questions
are
answered,
we
could
obviously
bring
it
forward.
E
E
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
asked
that
question,
but
the
infrastructure
is
very
poor
electrical
plumbing
lighting
and
there's
no
reason
why
some
of
that
cannot
start
once
you
have
the
fray
building
done,
then
jeanne
can
run
her
business
out
of
the
fray,
building
and
shut
down
the
library
she's
not
excited
about
doing
it
in
pieces
because
it
really
interrupts
the
business.
But
I
think
the
plan
here
makes
sense,
and
then
you
can
start
on
the
infrastructure
in
that
building,
which
you
know
has
to
be
done,
one
way
or
the
other.
So.
C
Not
it's
like
it's
kind
of
replicating
an
experience
you
can
already
have
right
now,
as
opposed
to
when
it
was
first
on
the
trail
on
the
north
lichen
trail
no
like
right
by
downtown
when
dogs
were
no
longer
allowed
there.
There
was
some
talk
of.
We
will
explore
some
other
open
natural
space
to
see
where
else
there
could
be
a
possibility
of
being
dog
friendly,
and
I
have
heard
zero
about
that.
Is
there
any
like
movement
or
possibility,
or
even
inquiry
or
curiosity
about
exploring
that
any
thoughts.
D
I
think
a
dog
park
came
up
from
a
parks
and
recreation
looking
for
grants.
Last
year,
I
think
they
had
looked
for
several
state
grants
because
there
was
also
for
a
new
park.
I
think
it.
You
know
there
was
another
brand
for
new
parks
and
they
had
this
one
that
came
in.
They
would
do
a
million
point
six
if
the
city
matched
it,
and
actually,
you
do
have
on
your
report
here
that
most
of
the
matching
funds
come
from
quimby.
I
don't
know
if
that's
changed.
K
K
I
think
seven
projects
from
the
state
of
california
and
forwarded
that
on
to
the
federal
government,
who
actually
provides
the
funding,
and
so
usually
when
the
state
narrows
it
down,
like
that,
you
know
we
in
city
government
pretty
much
expect
the
federal
government
to
honor
the
california
parks
and
rec
recommendations,
and
so
we
felt
pretty
good
that
that
project
would
likely
get
funded.
If
it
was
like.
You
know
some
of
the
other
grants
where
it's
so
competitive.
We
don't
know.
K
K
C
C
K
H
Yeah,
from
our
perspective,
we
haven't
heard
of
the
alternative,
is
what
we
have
in
our
in
front
of
us
engineering.
Is
this
particular
part
that
we're
working
on
right
now
and
I
think
to
commissioner
bernstein's
comment.
I
think
we
did
put
on
the
sheets
that
it
was
coming
from
quimby.
We
need
to
double
check
the
funding
sources
right
now.
I
think
the
only
ask
is
around
two
hundred
thousand
but
we'll
double
check.
K
Following
up
on
commissioner
rob
robbins
comments
like
some
of
the
sustainability
stuff
might
probably
be
funded
by
other
funds.
You
know
like
like
we
said
this
is
always
fluid
right,
and
so
some
of
those
projects
could
fit
nicely
with
some
of
the
grants
that
are
out
there
or
come
from
another
bucket,
which
is
called
capital
projects
fund,
which
is
completely
separate
from
mr
j.
So
there's
other
funding
sources
that
we
in
engineering
are
using
to
build
things
we're
just
bringing
forward
the
things
that
are
would
be
using
measure
j
money
to
you.
K
H
I
H
H
B
H
Yeah
in
victoria,
I
still
don't
have
a
good
number.
I
I
would
like
to
ask
if
the
commission
could
at
least
set
aside
not
to
exceed
400
000
dollars
to
do
the
resurfacing,
but
we
would
like
to
bid
it
with
our
standard
bidding
process
to
get
competitive
bids
and
then
come
back
and
tell
the
commission
or
awarded
to
really
the
contractor
through
a
september
council
meeting.
I
don't
know
if
that's
possible
or
not.
I
just
forgot
to
add
it
into
my
memo.
I
H
I
H
I
Let
me
be
a
little
clearer.
The
holding
pattern
is
what
it
is
for
the
for
the
moniker.
My
thought,
my
reaction
to
this
joel.
My
reaction
of
now
versus
not
now
is
really
about
there's.
There
are
so
many
other
opportunities
to
consider
all
at
one
time
and
if
we're,
if
we
were
to
consider
at
7
p.m,
this
allocation
for
400
000.
There
are
plenty
of
others
that
deserve
discussion.
H
Right
right,
right
right,
this
is
yeah,
and
this
is
the
only
reason
I
ask
is
because
it's
a
continuation
of
something
that
has
already
been
approved
and
awarded
by
measure
date,
but
I'm
okay
waiting.
I
think
the
parks
and
rec
commission
wants
it
done,
but
we
could,
in
the
overall
discussion
of
the
holding
pattern,
can
say
that
we
have
not
forgotten
and
we
will
bring
it
forward
when
when
we
have
the
commission's
approval,
I
can't
bid
it
or
do
anything
until
I
do
have
at
least
a
certain
amount
of
money.
H
This
is
what
I
think
the
the
actual
cost
is
going
to
be,
because
that's
the
the
problem
we're
running
into
right
now
or
we
have
been
no
one's,
really
giving
us
real
costs
because
of
material
and
inflation
price,
and
I
can't
and
the
only
way
to
control
it
is
to
bid
it
properly
and
the
only
way
to
bid
is
to
certain
some
dollars,
but
I
think
the
project's
still
needed
and
it
could
come
back
in
three
four
months
and
still
be
okay.
So.
I
A
H
J
H
I
H
J
H
In
bulk,
it
would
have
been
with
these
three
other
projects,
but
because
we
pursued
government
contracting,
we
didn't
bid
it
in
bulk
and
we
didn't
get
prices
that
I
thought
should
have
been
received.
I
mean
we
just
weren't
getting
the
numbers
that
we
wanted
from
the
government
pricing.
That's
why
I
want
to
re:
go
back
to
design
bid
the
way
we
typically
do
projects.
A
B
I
A
F
A
A
A
Yes,
yeah
you're
right
because
I
had
brought
up
about
putting
those
flagpole
ones
and
it
was
decided
that
we
would
do
the
ones
on
the
posts
and
put
them
in
the
ground.
I
think
there
was
a
communications
where
they
weren't
ordered,
but
if
they
weren't,
I'm
gonna
go
out.
I'm
going
out
on
monday
to
the
to
the
city
yards
and
do
some
scouting,
commissioner,
robin
if
I
don't
find
them,
and
can
we
agree
that
we
will
have
them
ordered
asap.