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B
A
Miss
member
thompson.
C
C
D
B
Thank
you.
May
we
have
a
report,
a
staff
reporter
and,
of
course,
posting
on
the
agenda.
A
C
B
Aye,
thank
you.
This
is
a
public
meeting
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue
that
is
within
this
committee's
purview.
Comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time
that
item
is
presented.
If
anybody
would
like
to
speak
on
an
item
not
on
today's
agenda,
you
may
speak
now.
Each
speaker
will
have
three.
B
A
A
B
Okay,
do
we
have
any
revisions
to
the
minutes
of
the
may
16
2021
aac
meeting.
A
May
18th,
mr
chair.
B
F
B
Aye:
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
We're
going
to
proceed
to
our
agenda
now
new
business
item
number
two:
stanley
anderson
on
behalf
of
justin
and
wendy,
moore
for
minor
architectural
review
and
approval
to
construct
a
520
square
foot
detached
car
port
with
trash
enclosure
and
a
1200
square
foot
addition,
as
well
as
minor,
exterior
alterations
in
landscaping
at
an
existing
hillside,
single-family
residence
located
at
2481,
kawea
hills
drive.
May
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please
excuse
me
chair.
F
I
just
want
to
disclose
that
I
had
a
conversation
with
the
applicant
about
a
week
or
week
and
a
half
ago
and
we
did
not
discuss
any
specifics
of
the
application,
but
just
general
procedure
related
to
aac.
B
Thank
you,
mr
rottman.
Now
staff
report.
G
Yes,
all
right
good
evening,
can
you
hear
me
okay,.
G
Thank
you
as
introduced.
This
is
a
proposed
project
at
28.
Excuse
me,
2481,
cajun,
hills
drag.
The
project
site
is
a
23
300
and
332
square
foot
parcel
which
is
currently
developed
with
a
single
family
residence
which
sizes
3
449
square
feet.
The
property
was
originally
developed
in
1963,
and
this
is
just
area
view
of
the
project
site.
The
property
extends
from
cambodia
hills
drive
which
loops
around
so
it's
actually
bounded
by
the
same
street
on
the
front
and
the
beer.
G
G
These
are
just
the
two
images
of
the
property.
The
image
on
the
left
is
the
the
view
of
the
property.
That's
actually
taken
from
the
kahuia
hills,
drive
on
the
back
and
african
install
a
posting
to
show
the
expected
height
of
the
texas
ranger.
G
G
This
is
a
proposed
carpro
design
design
incorporates
a
flat
roof
and,
overall
height
is
about
nine
feet.
It's
going
to
be
open,
except
for
the
trash
enclosure
area
which
is
going
to
have
a
stucco
application.
G
These
are
the
proposed
colors
and
the
materials
for
this
project
are
the
metal
facial
door
window
frames,
the
harborough
stucco
in
the
dark
gray
and
the
coral
gables,
and
just
to
show
the
existing
stone
accent.
Wall
which
is
subject
to
your
removal
and
opposed
wood
accent
siding
this
is
the
north
celebration
of
the
residence
which
faces
a
driveway.
G
G
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
custom
wood
door
with
a
metal
insert
for
a
decorative
accent
and
the
design
of
the
door
will
have
a
wood,
transom
and
glass
sidings,
and
also
the
conversion
of
the
garage
will
enclose
the
garage
opening
and
the
wood
accent
will
be
applied
to
the
most
elevation,
and
this
is
the
south
celebration
presence
again.
G
The
applicant
is
proposing
the
removal
and
impressment
of
the
existing
windows
as
well
as
doors,
so
the
new
division
will
accommodate
an
increased
amount
of
sliding
doors,
and
this
is
the
west
innovation
residence,
which
is
the
rear
of
the
residence
applicants,
proposing
a
120
square
foot
addition
to
create
a
new
storage
room
on
this
innovation,
and
this
is
the
east
renovation
of
the
residence.
This
is
a
street
facing
innovation,
again,
existing
stone
walls
will
be
removed
and
a
new
door
system
will
be
installed.
G
The
visibility
of
the
residence
and
a
new
carport
will
be
very
limited.
However,
staff
finds
proposed
texas
ranger,
along
the
real
property
line,
will
the
experience
of
the
street,
as
well
as
the
view
to
the
city?
So
these
are
the
findings
made
by
staff
and
based
on
these
findings,
the
staff
is
recommending
the
following
action.
The
staff
is
recommending
that
the
aac
recommend
that
approvable
to
the
development
services
director,
subject
to
the
following
conditions
of
approval.
G
The
first
one
is
the
applicant
to
select
an
alternative
plant
material
which
maximum
height
will
remain
below
eye
level
and
then
also
reduce
the
amount
of
proposed
plant
materials
to
detain
natural
landscape
of
the
hillside.
And
this
concludes
the
staff,
presentation
and
african
is
here
as
well.
If
you
have
any
questions,
thank
you.
B
Maurico,
I
have
a
question
on
one
of
your
proposed
conditions
to
reduce
the
amount
of
landscaping
on
the
hillside.
As
I
look
at
the
landscape
plan,
I
don't
see
any
new
landscaping
on
the
hillside
is
all
I
see
is
the
proposed
hedge
along.
The
upper
the
western
property
line
along
koya
hills
drive.
Is
that
correct.
G
B
B
G
Hey,
I
saw
the
applicant's
name
in
the
zoom
screen,
so
I
know
yes.
H
Yeah
sure
so
my
clients
are
justin
and
wendy
moore
and
their
two
children
calvin
and
emily,
but
they're
a
young
family
from
new
york
who
purchased
the
property.
Earlier
this
year,
they're
a
socially
and
environmentally
responsible
couple
who
fell
in
love
with
palm
springs
and
the
amazing
view
from
this
property.
H
The
south
wing,
which
is
currently
walled
off
at
the
end,
will
be
opened
up
with
glazing
in
the
new
master
bedroom.
This
will
allow
a
visual
access
to
the
previously
neglected
stunning
view.
At
the
end
of
that
home,
we
will
be
keeping
the
existing
stone
accent
wall
at
the
corner.
Entry
of
the
house.
H
This
is
a
nod
to
the
original
design
and
the
inclusion
of
stucco
as
a
primary
exterior
wall
material
will
remain,
but
it'll
be
in
a
fresher,
lighter
tone
and
the
fascias
of
the
flat
roofs
will
be
covered
in
an
earth-tone
colored
metal
to
match
the
door.
The
new
door
and
the
williams
a
new
front
entry
from
the
carport
will
be
added
at
the
end
of
the
great
room,
with
an
inset
brass
metal,
starburst
motif
on
the
double
entry
doors.
H
The
site
will
also
add
a
carport
that
noriko
mentioned,
and
a
revised
swimming
pool
and
new
fire
pit
will
be
incorporated
into
the
renovated
courtyard.
As
noriko
mentioned.
It
should
be
noted.
The
house
is
not
really
seen
from
the
road
below
and
the
improvements
to
the
site
and
house
will
have
little
if
any
impact
visually
to
the
neighborhood
and
planting
will
be
organic
and
appropriate.
For
this
hillside
house.
H
Give
me
a
second
to
find
that,
but
once
you
find
that
you'll
see
that
there's
a
white
house
above
and
to
the
right
of
the
property
this
house
is
vacant
and
in
disrepair,
the
primary
reason
for
any
planting
at
the
top
of
this
hill
is
to
really
help
block
the
view
of
this
building
from
our
site
and,
as
I
understand
it,
the
neighbors
have
been
trying
to
clean
up
and
get
action
from
the
owner
for
this
derelict
property.
H
For
some
time
now,
we
are
definitely
open
to
changing
the
texas
ranger
plant
species
and
making
the
planting
pattern
more
organic
as
requested
by
planting,
and
we
would
offer
up
as
an
alternate
sand
sage
brush.
It's
also
known
as
old
man
sage,
and
we
would
do
that
in
a
layered
organic
approach
to
the
location
of
the
plants
at
the
top
and
moving
down
the
slope
a
bit.
H
It
should
be
noted.
Its
maximum
height
is
four
feet
and
that's
one
of
the
concerns
was
it
that
the
texas
ranger
could
get
up
to
an
eight
foot
height.
So
at
four
feet
you
should
be
able
to
see
over
it
from
the
top
of
guia
hills.
B
F
Hi
stan
question
for
you
on
the
landscaping
along
kokuya.
You
know
it's
a
pretty
narrow
road.
Would
you
be
open
to
moving
some
of
the
planting
a
little
bit
downhill
to
give
it
more
of
an
easement,
or
you
know
a
right-of-way
along
that
road.
H
Yes,
I
think,
that's
what
really
what
we're
proposing
and
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
to
update
this
landscape
plan
and
kind
of
move
those
closer.
I
guess
a
little
bit
closer
down
that
they're
farther
down
the
hill,
and
you
know
resubmit
that
with
this
sagebrush
sage
plant,
as
as
the
option.
F
For
that,
if
I,
if
I
could
okay
thank
you.
E
Yes,
I
have
a
question
for
the
applicant:
could
you
describe
with
the
proposed
car
port?
It's
a
little
bit
difficult,
I'm
looking
at
the
grading
plan
to
determine
the
actual
hardscape
area
and
driveway
changes
that
lead
to
the
new
carport
and
then,
secondly,
to
make
this
all
work.
It
looks
like
there's
some
changes
in
the
existing
contours
or
some
grading
areas
and
if
you
could
describe
the
limits
of
grading
that
will
take
place
not
only
to
accommodate
the
carport,
but
also
the
proposed
hardscape.
H
Yes,
absolutely
the
area
where
the
carport
is
located
currently
or
where
we're
proposing
it.
It's
a
sort
of
slightly
raised.
It's
probably
about
a
foot
above
the
where
the
gate
is
entry
gate
is,
and
it's
the
one
it's
a
kind
of
rounded
out
flat
spot,
the
only
black
spot
on
the
site.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
we
kept
the
you
know
the
size
of
the
carport
to
an
absolute
minimum
20
by
20,
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
get
an
end
to
any
grading.
H
So
there'll
be
just
minimal
sort
of
grading
at
kind
of
the
the
north
left
side.
It
should
come
right
up
to
really
to
the
hillside.
There.
H
There's
currently
a
concrete
slab
that,
let
me
see
if
it
shows
up
on
the
there
sort
of
shows
up
on
the
plan,
the
floor
plan.
H
E
And
the
reason
I
ask
when
I
look
at
that,
it
appears
that
you
know
there's
existing
contours
underneath
the
slab,
but
I
don't
see
any
adjusted
contours
to
accommodate
the
slab.
H
H
D
B
I
have
a
question
couple
questions
the
I'm
curious
about
your
choice
of
adding
new
wood,
siding
where
you
enclose
the
carport,
instead
of
possibly
using
more
of
the
stone.
That's
on
the
building,
as
your
accent
in
that
location,
especially
knowing
that
dilemmas
of
wood
over
time
on
the
exterior
here
in
the
desert.
H
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
the
the
existing
stone.
That's
on
the
house.
You
know
it's,
it's
very
typical
of
palm
springs.
You
see
that
on
many
commercial
buildings
downtown
you
see
it
on
some
residential
buildings.
H
It's
one
of
those
stones
that
you
either
love
or
don't
love
so
much,
and
we
are
keeping
a
bit
of
that
stone
just
as
a
nod
to
to
the
house,
but
the
owners
aren't
in
love
with
the
stone,
I'm
not
completely
in
love
with
the
stone,
but
I
think
there's
a
little
accent
at
the
corner.
To
kind
of
recollect
its
its
beginnings
is
good.
We
didn't
want
to
add
the
stone
into
any
other
new
area.
H
Now
the
wood
that
we
are
adding
is
a
product
called
the
koya
wood
and
that
will
be
used
on
on
just
the
facing.
Basically
it's
above
and
below
the
strip
window.
That
is
now
where
the
door,
the
garage
door,
is
it'll,
be
used
there
and
it'll
also
be
used
in
on
the
interior
and
on
some
ceiling
planes
as
well.
But
it's
a
it's
a
material
that
is
relatively
new
within
the
last
five
years
and
it's
it's
developed
such
that
it
it
can.
B
I
I
would
question
then,
if
possibly,
you
and
your
clients
would
consider
removing
all
the
stone
and
using
this
wood
to
replace
it,
so
that
you
have
a
consistent
accent
around
the
exterior
of
the
house
and
that's
just
a
comment
that
you
don't
need
to
respond
to.
But
my
one
comment
would
be
the
one
thing.
B
The
only
thing
you
see
from
the
street
is
this
driveway
entrance
and
I
wonder
if
it's
possible
to
get
some
landscaping
between
that
wall
with
the
curve
in
it
and
the
and
the
edge
of
the
pavement,
and
also
to
get
some
landscaping
at
the
top
of
the
wall
that
might
cascade
down
the
face
of
the
wall
to
soften
that
wall.
I
can
totally
see
that
you
can't
plant
at
the
bottom
of
the
wall,
but
maybe
just
a
little
something
to
soften
that.
H
I,
like
the
cascading
idea,
the
the
the
area
up
there
is
kind
of
there
are
some
plants
and
aloes
and
whatnot
it's
fairly
rocky,
but
agreed.
We
would
probably
like
to
soften
that
a
little
bit
more
and
do
it
in
a
very
in
a
naturalistic
way.
I
No,
I
just
you've
covered
a
lot
of
it.
I
also
had
just
sort
of
it
was
difficult
to
read
the
the
topographic
survey
with
respect
to
the
the
placement
of
the
of
the
carport.
You
I'm
sure
that
you
tested
the
maneuvering
of
a
car
so
that
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
you
would
you
would
back
up
and
slide
along
the
side
of
the
house.
Correct!
That's
right!
Okay,
all
right!
It's
so
that
yeah
right.
B
It's
good
okay
before,
but
before
we
get
into
our
full
discussion.
Do
we
have
any
public
comments
from
the
audience?
If
so
identify
yourself,
and
you
have
three.
H
B
B
H
Removed,
I
think
that
at
one
time
that
was
probably
planted
for
the
same
reason
to
try
to
block
the
view
of
that
house.
E
Have
an
additional
comment:
I'm
sorry,
tom
tom,
I
I
guess
my
comment.
It
goes
along
with
yours
that
I
feel
that
they
could
make
a
more
do
a
more
naturalized
landscape
along
the
property.
You
know
along
the
street
they're
using
more
native
plants
and
a
variety
of
them
again
to
create
that
effect
that
you
brought
up
mr
chairman,
so
that
there
is
some
undulation
and
height
and
secondly,
that
they
address
or
restore
any
areas
that
would
be
graded
to
implement
this
proposed
design.
E
You
know
restore
to
natural
conditions
any
of
the
graded
areas,
because
I
think
there's
going
to
be
more
grading
done.
That
really
really
shows
on
this
site
plan,
because
it's
overlaid
on
an
existing
topo
and
not
so
much
of
a
proposed.
B
E
I'll
turn
that
into
a
motion
I'll
make
motion
for
approval,
with
the
comments
that
additional
landscape
be
added
along
cuia
hills
drive
and
that
the
areas
where
the
proposed
texas,
ranger
hedge
was
proposed,
be
done
in
a
more
naturalized
landscape
using
native
landscape
materials
and
that
any
graded
or
disturbed
areas
be
re-naturalized
with
native
rock
or
plant
material
as
needed.
B
Now
we're
on
to
item
number
three
brenda
ayala
on
behalf
of
el
salvador
cafe
for
minor
architectural
review
and
approval
to
install
a
256
square
foot,
canopy
structure
and
a
railing
for
an
outdoor
dining
area.
Expansion
at
an
existing
restaurant
located
within
the
sunrise
square
shopping
center
at
1750
north
sunrise
way.
Could
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please.
G
G
This
is
a
proposed,
a
canopy
installation
at
the
el
salvador
cafe,
which
is
located
within
the
sunlight
square
shopping
center.
The
summer
shopping
center
is
located
at
the
north
west
corner
of
east
vistaccino
and
no
sunrise
way.
It's
a
very
large
shopping
center
and
the
project
site
is
located
in
the
southern
portion
of
the
shopping
center
and
it's
one
of
inline
tenants
which
is
adjacent
to
a
peruvian
restaurant
and
a
nail
salon.
G
So
the
the
business
currently
has
the
indoor
dining
space
of
1152
square
feet
and
outdoor
dining
area
of
806
square
feet
and
with
this
canopy
addition,
the
business
will
be
adding
250
square
feet
of
outdoor
dining
space.
G
And
this
is
a
proposed
design.
That's
submitted
by
the
applicant.
The
dimensions
of
the
canopy
are
16
feet
by
16
feet
with
a
height
of
8
feet.
It's
going
to
be.
The
design
will
include
the
metal
support
which
will
be
attached
to
the
exposed
wood
beam
and
also
the
canopy
portion
of
the
structure
will
accommodate
these
shade
cells
and
africans,
proposing
the
color
to
be
blue,
and
there
are
a
few
issues
with
the
proposed
design.
G
The
color
palette
of
the
sunlight
square
shopping
center
consists
of
earth
stone,
colors
such
as
white
beige
and
brown,
with
this
proposed
blue
shade
sale
that
will
actually
create
a
striking
color
contrast
against
the
building
and
also
the
business
is
closely
located
to
another
restaurant
with
a
canopy
which
is
not
really
permitted.
G
Although
the
rating
is
permitted
for
this
particular
business
staff
finds
that
the
proposed
project
meets
the
applicable
general
plan
and
zoning
requirements
and
the
proposed
blue
shade
sales
create
a
striking
color
contrast,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
and
based
on
these
findings,
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
the
project
to
development
services.
G
Director,
subject
to
the
foreign
conditions
of
approval,
the
applicants
to
applicant
to
select
the
shade
cells
which
color
is
desert
neutral,
so
that
the
color
will
be
a
compatible
with
those
found
at
the
sunlight
square
shopping
center
and
then
also
the
specifications
of
the
ratings
such
as
color
height
and
tubing,
silence
size
and
spacing
to
be
a
consistent
with
the
one
found
at
the
local
charity
for
consistency.
G
This
concludes
the
start
presentation
and
then
the
african
is
available
by
a
telephone.
But
if
you
have
any
questions,
let
us
know-
and
this
concludes
our
stock
presentation.
Thank
you.
I
I
think
I
do
mr
chairman.
Yes,
john
management
has
no
standards
for
this
type
of
extension
or
enlargement
of
outdoor
spaces.
I
take
it.
G
Yes,
it
is
correct,
although
this
proposal
has
been
reviewed
and
approved
by
the
the
property
management
company,
no
guidelines
or
anything
that
the
tenants
can't
follow
when
it
comes
to
a
cannabis.
B
F
Yeah
nordico
has
the
applicant
talked
at
all
about
what
they're
gonna
do
with
their
signage.
I
know
in
the
local
charlie's
had
actually
moved
it
to
the
front
of
the
the
front
of
the
canopy
structure.
G
With
regards
to
signage,
there
was
no
conversation
that
took
place
between
the
staff
and
african
signage,
just
so
that
you're
aware
the
signage
at
the
local
cherry
restaurant.
That's
attached
to
the
entrance
of
this
canopy
structure,
that's
actually
not
permitted.
B
Any
other
questions
of
staff,
I'm
just
so
the
committee
knows
I
had
a
question
for
david
before
the
meeting
about
why
we're
reviewing
this
particular
restaurant
patio
expansion
when
there
have
been
so
many
others
in
town
over
the
last
few
years
that
we've
never
reviewed
and
the
reason
is,
is
this-
is
being
applied
for
as
a
permanent
situation
where
all
of
those
situations
along
palm
canyon
drive
and
the
other
areas
downtown.
Those
are
temporary
installations,
so
they
did
not
require
a
review
by
the
aac,
but
because
this
will
become
a
permanent
installation.
B
J
Well
right
now,
I'm
just
proposing
to
extend
my
patio
because
of
the
fact
of
cobit.
It's
been
a
lot
harder
for
us
to
have.
We
really
want
to
keep
everybody
safe,
so
we
wanted
to
expand
it
as
the
further
like
to
charlie,
which
I
wanted
to
do
in
the
future
anyway.
So
I
figured
this
would
be
the
best
way
to
start
you
asked
about
the
signage.
I
wasn't
planning
on
adding
the
signage
in
the
front
if
it's
required.
J
I
would
gladly
do
it,
but
for
now
that
wasn't
in
my
plans
to
extend
it
to
extend
the
signing
from
the
flare
in
the
canopy-
and
I
know
that
there's
an
issue
with
the
fact
that
it's
the
of
the
nude
of
the
color
of
the
top
of
the
canopy.
J
But
the
reason
why
I
picked
blue
is
because
we're
next
to
two
restaurants,
one
and
we're
the
first
ones
we've
been
here
for
30
years
and
charlie's
is
a
mexican
restaurant,
and
then
we
have
a
new,
peruvian
restaurant
and
sometimes
we're
people
are
always
having
trouble
defining,
which
is
which
so
I
thought
that
it
would
be
better
for
us
to
have
blue,
because
blue
is
the
salvadorian
colors
of
our
flag
of
where
we're
from
so
maybe
that
might
be
easier
for
people
to
figure
out.
Oh
okay.
Well,
this
is
blue.
J
F
No
I'll
go
robert
yeah,
so
thank
you
brenda.
So
do
you
know
the
height
of
you
know,
there's
the
the
beams
that
you
know
you've
got.
Do
you
know
the
height
of
your
opening
at
the
existing
opening?
Is
that
at
eight
feet
or
is
it
higher.
F
J
I
do
not,
but
I
can
because
no,
I
don't
have
it
with
me.
I'm
sorry.
F
Well,
because
I
think
it
said
that
you
wanted
to
put
this
canopy
at
eight
feet.
I'm
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
once
you
get
this
canopy
up,
that
you're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
see
your
signage
and
not
advocating
that
you
move
it
forward.
But
I'd
like
to
sort
of
understand
exactly
where
the
canopy
is
going
to
fall
within
the
area
under
your
sign
or
over
your
sign
or
whatever.
J
It
will
be
under
the
sign
because
that's
chart,
like
I
kind
of
copied,
the
way
that
charlie's
did
his,
which
is
under
the
sign.
But
I
honestly
to
be
honest.
I
hadn't
even
thought
about
like
the
fact
that
maybe
people
wouldn't
be
able
to
see
the
restaurant
el
salvador
cafe
on
there.
B
Brenda
thank
you
hang
on.
If
you
can
and
we'll.
If
we
need
you
during
discussion,
we
might
get
back
to
you.
Do
we
have
any
comments
from
the
public
from
the
audience.
F
G
F
Because
there's
there's
a
bit
of
consistency
between
the
tenants
along
that
part
of
the
of
the
shopping
mall,
the
peruvian
fuego
el
salvador
cafe
the
nail
salon.
They
all
have
a
very
sort
of
similar
aesthetic.
So
I'm
just
wondering.
G
If
the
sign
program
specifies
tenant
signs
to
be
affixed
to
the
the
facade
or
the
exterior
wall
of
the
building,
then
the
applicant
will
have
to
go
through
the
sign
program
management
process.
Okay,.
F
A
Also
just
note
that
if
there's
a
way
in
the
same
program
to
allow
staff
to
approve
a
minor
change
to
the
way
signage
is
installed
or
location,
whenever
there
is
the
instance
of
an
outdoor
patio
space
that
might
be
blocking
it,
I'm
sure
that
staff
would
look
to
do
that
administratively
to
avoid
having
to
go
through
the
process.
If
it
is
possible.
B
B
On
the
other
hand,
one
of
the
reasons
we
work
on
the
architecture
is
that
the
building
does
have
a
consistency
to
it,
but
I
think
once
we
start
putting
these
awnings
on
it's,
it
kind
of
breaks
away
from
that
consistency
and
regular
design
issue
that
we
have
so
myself.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
blue
color,
especially
because
it's
basically
flat,
so
I
don't
know
that
you'll
really
it'll
be
a
huge
impact
on
the
rest
of
the
center.
F
Chair
yeah,
I'm
I'm
in
agreement
with
you.
I
might
suggest
that
they
don't
do
the
triangular
sales
that
they
do,
because
I
think
they're
going
to
end
up
needing
more
structure
in
between
the
four
posts,
and
I
think
that
if
they
do
a
rectangular
sail
shape
sail
in
the
blue,
it
probably
will
hold
up
to
the
wind
better
because
there'll
be
more
places
for
it
to
fasten
and
yeah.
But
I
I
don't
have
an
issue.
F
I
I
think
they're
going
to
be
surprised
that
their
signage
will
be
will
disappear
once
the
won't
be
visible
once
they
put
the
structure
in
front
of
it,
but
that'll
be
something
they
deal
with
later.
J
B
J
C
I'm
okay
with
the
the
blue.
If
the
owner
believes
that
it
will
be
cool
enough
in
the
summer,
the
lighter
might
be
a
little
cooler
being
underneath
it,
but
if
she's
comfortable
with
that,
I'm
I'm
okay
with
the
blue.
Okay!
Thank
you.
I
I
think
I'd
make
a
motion,
mr
chairman,
yes,
john
walsh,
to
accept
to
offer
the
the
owner
a
choice
of
either
blue
or
or
neutral.
H
B
B
Forward
now,
item
number
four,
mr.
A
G
G
G
This
is
the
the
project
site.
The
site
is
a
hillside
which
slope
which
slopes
down
from
the
the
southwest
corner
towards
the
north,
and
this
is
the
view
of
the
surroundings
taking
from
the
project
site.
Again,
it's
a
hillside,
the
property
backs
onto
the
steep
hills
and
africa
is
proposing
to
construct
a
single
family
residence
which
is
3665
square
feet
in
size.
The
dwelling
portion
of
the
residence
is
eight
hundred
eighty
nine
square
feet
and
the
proposed
garage
is
seven
hundred
seventy
six
square
feet.
G
The
last
size
is
the
fifteen
thousand
one
hundred
and
seventy
three
square
feet:
the
africans
proposing
l-shaped
site
layout
and,
as
you
see
here,
the
property
is
going
to
have
a
garage
towards
the
front
of
the
property
and
the
residence
extends
to
the
rear.
G
So
this
is
just
a
whole
plan.
The
grudge
these
two
excuse
me,
the
garage,
leads
to
the
living
area
or
the
kitchen,
and
the
property
includes
excuse
me,
and
these
two,
the
kitchen
bedroom,
dining
and
living
space
and
a
master
bedroom
and
and
there
will
be
an
outdoor
space
between
front
entry
wall
and
the
the
residence
so
they're,
proposing
to
utilize
the
space
as
an
outdoor
living
area.
G
This
is
the
innovations
of
the
property.
The
africa
is
proposing
to
have
an
entry,
a
wall
which
is
going
to
be
concrete,
as
well
as
according
steel,
pedestrian
entry
gate
and
a
garage,
the
garage
opening
I
will
be
facing
the
west
side
yard
and
the
innovation
below,
which
is
the
north
sea
division.
G
These
are
the
renderings
that
are
submitted
by
the
applicant,
the
image
on
the
at
the
upper
left
side.
That's
the
view
of
the
sas
innovation.
G
The
building
that
you
see
is
a
garage
and
you
will
see
a
coating,
steel,
pedestrian
entry
gate
in
the
rear,
as
well
as
a
concrete
entry
wall,
an
image
to
the
the
right
side
and
upper
right
corner.
That's
the
view
of
the
opening
of
the
garage,
the
west
elevation
and
the
image
on
the
bottom
left.
That's
the
view
of
the
residence
from
the
north
innovation
and
again
the
view
of
the
the
eastern
division,
the
reds
dance.
G
As
you
see
the
garage
with
fixed
window,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
a
different
landscaping
materials
throughout
the
site.
G
And
polar
capacity
based
on
the
people,
staff
has
found
the
flowing
issues
because
of
the
position
of
the
building
relating
to
the
topography.
It
might
impact
the
view
of
the
adjacent
properties
and
the
african
actually
submitted
another
major
architecture,
application
for
the
development
of
the
budding
lot,
which
is
the
vacant
and
the
applicants
proposing
similar
building
and
landscaping.
G
Materials
for
these
residences
and
also
staff,
finds
that
the
purpose
landscape
design
does
not
really
blend
in
naturally
with
the
site's
surroundings,
and
the
proposed
design
does
not
fully
conform
to
the
development
standards
such
as
building
height
and
the
use
of
a
structural
walls
in
the
area
that
exceeds
30
percent
in
the
slope.
G
Based
on
these
findings,
staff
is
that
that
aac
provide
the
comments
and
direction
and
they
recommend
the
possible
re-study.
The
update
is
available
and
this
concludes
the
stock
presentation.
Thank
you.
B
B
Okay
is
the
app
the
applicant
is
here.
Can
they
please
give
us
their
name,
and
you
have
10
minutes
to
present
the
project.
K
Yeah
hi
my
name's
eric
hawkins,
I'm
half
of
hawkins
marshall.
My
partner,
scrap
marshall,
is
also
on
the
call,
as
well
as
one
of
the
partners
in
carmelita
properties,
who
is
our
client
for
this
project.
K
One
of
the
primary
considerations
for
this
specific
lot
was
the
client
really
had
a
had
keen
desire
to
have
a
single
story
home
and
that
he
thought
it
was
sort
of
imperative
to
provide
something
that
would
be
accessible
for
all
ages,
and
we
thought
of
the
two
lots
this
would
be
would
be
the
more
preferable
site.
As
we
approached
the
design
we
we
knew
right
away.
K
We
wanted
to
have
a
minimal
impact
on
the
view
from
crestview,
and
so
we
kept
the
we
did
as
much
as
we
could
working
with
the
topography
to
bury
sort
of
the
south
end
of
the
property
and
minimize
that
roofline
from
the
street,
and
the
idea
was
to
create
privacy
in
the
courtyard
where
privacy
for
the
homeowner,
as
well
as
the
surrounding
neighbors.
K
So
that's
where
we
focused
the
the
courtyard
in
the
pool
area
is
also
because
we
wanted
to
keep
it
away
from
the
the
descending
lot
and
keep
it
on
a
an
area
that
would
allow
for
some
grading
now.
In
turn,
it
pushed
the
footprint
of
the
building
out
beyond
the
the
descending
slope
and
the
approach
to
this
to
to
minimize
the
impact
on
the
topography
was
to
put
it
up
on
piers.
K
Initially,
in
our
first
neighborhood
outreach
meeting
that
we
held
on
march
29th,
one
of
the
biggest
sort
of
issues
with
neighbors
was
the
view
viewing
those
piles
from
the
north
side
of
the
property
and-
and
one
of
the
revisions
that
we
made
from
since
then
and
proposing
now
is-
is
that
structural
wall
that
noriko
mentioned
the
only
way
to
really
reduce
the
number
of
piles
is
to
add
a
different
kind
of
foundation
system
for
a
length.
K
That's
consistent
upon
the
structural
design,
so
that
was
a
that
was
actually
response
to
the
the
neighbors
comments
in
a
way
to
sort
of
minimize
the
the
number
of
piles
we,
we
had
always
proposed
screening
that
area
with
with
hedging,
and
but
if
that
is
an
issue,
we're
happy
to
revise
that
structural
design
again
and
go
back
to
to
piles
just
so
that
it
floats
above
the
topography.
K
And
unfortunately,
I
say
that,
because
it
was
the
client's
wish
to
have
a
single
story
home-
and
that
was
at
one
single
level
and
we've
compromised
added
a
few
steps
and
dropped
the
roof
line
on
the
portion
on
the
descending
slope
to
be
a
little
bit
lower
to
the
slope
or
to
the
descending
topography,
as
well
as
create
as
a
little
bit
of
a
buried
roofline,
so
to
as
to
differentiate
itself
from
the
neighboring
lot
next
door.
K
We
wanted
to
to
keep
parking
access
and
and
garage
fronting
away
from
the
street,
so
we
we
provided
an
approach
to
the
garage
that
was
from
the
side
providing
extra
parking
off
of
the
street
because
it
is
somewhat
of
a
narrow
street
before
it
begins
to
descend
down,
and
so
that
was
an
approach,
that's
consistent
in
both
projects,
although
in
the
other
project
which
we'll
speak
about
later,
we
are
seeking
a
slightly
different
approach,
a
little
bit
of
an
encroachment
into
that
setback
to
the
topography
this
one,
this
one
conforms
fully
with
with
those
setbacks.
K
Additionally,
we
provided
some
landscaping
that
we
think,
or
we
thought
at
least
was-
was
complimentary,
some
privacy
hedging-
that's
not
too
dense,
but
can
be
screening
as
well
as
putting
in
some
ground
cover
along
the
descending
slope
that
would
sprawl
and
and
create
some
stability
to
that's
that
hillside.
K
I
know
in
the
plan
it
looks
a
little
sort
of
rigid
and
as
if
it
gets
planted
in
a
row,
but
those
plants
as
they
grow
take
over
and
they're
the
organic
nature
of
them
sort
of
spread,
and
we
could
do
a
better
job
of
showing.
K
The
in
the
landscape
plan
the,
but
the
intention
is
to
keep
it
fairly,
organic
and
and
complement
the
surrounding
nature
of
the
sites.
So
we
would
be
open
to
suggestions
on
that,
and
so
we
are
hoping
for
an
approval
with
conditions,
some
of
those
being
regarding
materiality
and
and
landscaping,
and
I
think
at
that
I
will
leave
it
to
maybe
you
for
additional
questions.
F
Yeah
on
the
materials,
the
cedar
that
you're
proposing,
are
you
going
to?
Is
that
a
a
sealed
so
that
it
will
maintain
that
yellow
color?
Or
are
you
going
planning
for
that
to
age
and
go
great.
K
Well,
we
will
probably
like
just
based
on
on
the
weathering
and
the
uv
exposure.
The
cost
of
maintenance
for
that
to
keep
it
yellow
would
be
pretty
significant,
so
we
would
probably
recommend
letting
it
age
and
go
grow
silver
over
time.
F
Okay
and
then
I
know
we
have
another
agenda
item
for
the
property
next
door,
and
maybe
I'll
wait
till
you
present
that
one,
but
I'd
like
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
the
two
interface,
particularly
the
entry
wall,
how
they
line
up,
there's
some
elevation
difference.
What
that
looks
like
so
I'll
hold
off
additional
questions
until
that
presentation.
B
I
have
a
couple
of
comments,
maybe
more
than
questions.
One
is
that
I
don't
see
on
any
plan
that
we're
looking
at
the
indication
of
any
peers,
and
I
think
we
need
a
plan
that
shows
what
the
site
looks
like
not
the
floor
plan
of
the
house,
but
what's
happening
underneath
it.
Where
are
the
supporting
walls
what's
being
retained
and
backfilled
what's
being
exposed
slope
that
has
peers
on
it?
It's
it's
very
mysterious
to
me
right
now,
also,
there's
no
hvac
equipment
shown
in
any
of
the
plans.
B
But
as
I
look
at
the
site
plan,
the
topo
plan,
that's
about
15
feet
below
the
driveway,
and
I
wonder
if
the
pool
service
people
how
they
will
get
to
that
also
you're
showing
roof
drainage
on
the
west
side,
it
appears
that
it's
just
a
sheep
flow
off
for
the
roof
and
it's
not
captured
by
gutters
or
drains,
and
it's
just
falling
into
that
sloping
side
yard
and
I
just
think
there's
a
lot
of
areas
that
need
some
clarification
so
that
we
can
understand
it
more.
M
B
And
this,
where
I'm
going
with
this
while
noriko's
looking
for
it,
is
eric.
I
I
totally
understand
that
your
client
requested
a
flat
house,
but
I
think
then
he
should
have
bought
a
flat
lot.
I
don't
know
that
it's
appropriate
to
put
a
house
with
a
totally
flat
floor
on
a
lot
that
has
so
much
topography
to
it
and
on
the
site,
section
c,
on
sheet
c3,
you
can
totally
see
what
I'm
talking
about
that.
B
There's
a
high
spot
on
the
lot
and
the
floor
of
the
house
is
put
a
foot
or
two
above
that
and
then
there's
fill
to
the
left
towards
the
street
and
fill
to
the
right
towards
the
wash.
But
if
the
whole
floor
of
the
house
were
dropped
down
to
the
elevation
of
490,
you'd
you'd
drop
the
profile
on
here
on
this
on
the
bottom
elevation.
If
you
were
to
draw
a
line
right
across
at
the
490,
you
could
see
that
you'd
eliminate
all
that
fill
and
I'm
looking
at
the
bottom
view
here.
B
K
K
So
can
I
address
that
comment?
We
actually
have
lowered
the
the
revised
plans
do
propose.
B
What
we're
gonna
do
eric
we're,
gonna
open
it
for
questions
from
the
audience,
and
then
you
have
time
to
rebut
both
our
comments
and
their
comments.
Does
that
seem
fair
to
you.
K
Yeah
I
wasn't
trying
to
rebut.
I
was
just
trying
to
respond.
Okay
go
go
ahead.
Give
me
your
give
me
your
comments.
Yes,
so
this
this
civil
plan,
because
every
time
we
go
back
and
revise
civil
plans,
it
costs
cost
money.
K
We
we
haven't
updated
this
exactly
to
reflect
that
we
did
drop
it
an
additional
two
feet
as
well
as
that's
the
that's
the
garage
level
and
the
the
main
floor
area,
that's
sitting
on
top
of
the
the
sort
of
level
section
and
then
we
step
down
to
the
area,
that's
on
the
descending
slope,
an
additional
12
to
18
inches.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
if
there's
no
more
questions
from
staff,
we
can
open
this
for
comments
from
the
audience.
Any
other
questions
from
staff.
Excuse
me
from
the
committee.
I
B
Okay,
public
comments
from
the
audience
david
will
get
put
you
in
order.
Please
give
us
your
name
and
you
each
have
three
minutes.
A
I
believe,
mr
dunn,
if
you
wanted
to
go
first,
I
don't
know
if
you
wish
to
speak
still,
yeah
sure.
L
So
I
already
submitted
my
comments
and
writing
so
I
will
make
these
comments
brief.
Generally,
I
think
my
comments
reflect
somewhere
where
tom
was
talking
about
just
creating
something,
that's
more
in
context
with
the
neighborhood,
and
that
is
more
consistent
with
the
lot
it's
difficult
for.
Certainly
me
as
a
layperson,
and
I
think
some
of
my
neighbors
to
view
these.
L
We
see
we
see
the
the
renderings
from
the
street
but
they're
not
set
into
context
even
with
each
other,
so
the
two
almost
appear
as
though
they're
standalone
houses,
far
away
and
and
they're,
not
it's
a
very
tight
section
of
the
street
and
pretty
much
everything
that's
been
shown
so
far
in
renderings
has
been
pretty
isolated
for
the
in
terms
of
the
renderings.
So
that's
my
general
comment.
A
couple
of
things.
L
One
of
the
questions
that
was
asked
in
the
neighborhood
meeting
was
whether
we
had
taken
or
whether
it
had
been
taken
into
account
the
slope
and
the
30,
and
how
that
impacts
the
buildable
square
footage
it
had
not
been
addressed
in
previously.
So
I
don't
know
if
it
was
addressed
in
these
plans.
I
couldn't
really
tell
so
that
would
be
something
I'd
be
interested
to
know.
L
Also
with
my
understanding
on
the
administrative
modifications,
those
are
meant
for
minor
things
and
generally,
therefore
things
that
challenges
that
can't
be
overcome
in
any
other
way.
So
it's
it
sort
of
feels
like
we're
talking
about
so
far
has
been
preferences
versus
actual
required
needs
that
need
to
be
overcome
by
by
getting
a
variance
or
or
a
modification.
So
those
are
just
some
of
my
basics
and
again
I
think
the
overall
feeling
is
right
house
wrong
location.
B
B
D
D
D
A
D
D
Hello,
I
am
one
of
the
principals
in
carmelita
properties
and
I
am
one
of
the
driving
forces
behind
this
effort.
The
general
look
that
we
were
going
for
initially
with
these
very
dramatic
lots,
was
in
fact
something
that
you
find
commonly
in
the
hollywood
hills
that
that
linear,
modern
house
cliffside
house
provides
a
lot
of
drama
and
the
drama
is
intentional.
D
I
I'd
like
to
remind
some
of
the
staff
here
and
the
committee
and
the
neighbors
as
well
that
we
were
responsible
for
doing
1955.
South
palm
canyon
drive,
which
was
the
2020
monitors
in
mesa,
show
house
also
the
one
on
the
corner,
which
has
the
iconic
landmark
gatehouse
in
its
front
yard
as
well,
was
built.
At
the
same
time
and
the
first
house
I
was
ever
involved
in
in
the
mesa
1954
south
mesa
drive
all
very
modern
houses,
very
linear,
fairly
dramatic.
D
All
three
were
met
with
the
same
argument,
the
same
skepticism
about
the
design,
and
it
was
a
pretty
heated
argument
and.
D
Were
absolutely
built,
they
are
now
revered
in
the
neighborhood.
I
I'm
still
getting
compliments
on
all
three
of
these
houses.
Some
of
them
are
now
approaching
seven
years
old.
It's
there
doesn't
need
to
be
the
level
of
fear
of
about
what's
being
constructed.
I
think
the
the
neighbors
concern
is
coming
more
from
a
fear
of
change.
D
D
These
lots
provide
an
opportunity
to
create
something
significant,
I'm
not
afraid
of
the
challenge
and
what
we're
proposing
here.
I
would
hope
most
of
you
will
get
on
board
with
as
it's
significant
in
its
design
and
its
quality
of
finish,
it'll
be
an
asset
to
the
neighborhood
as
the
other
three
existing
projects
are
already.
B
Thank
you
mrexcel
any
other
comments
from
the
audience.
M
Yes,
I
would
just
like
to
respond
to
eric
now
when
we
had
our
meeting
on
march
29th.
I
asked
you
if
you
had
done
any
other
properties
here
in
in
palm
springs,
and
if
you
were
familiar
with
the
mesa
neighborhood
and
you
said
no,
you
have
never
done
any
property
in
palm
springs.
You
have
done
things
in
southern
california.
M
B
M
Okay,
well,
I
would
like
to
make
one
more
comment
which
jim
dunn
has
brought
up
frequently.
There
are
five
lots
involved,
we're
talking
about
two
on
crestview.
There
are
two
on
ridge
road
which
is
my
road
and
there's
one
down
on
el
camino
and
the
question
is,
you
know,
you're
treating
these
as
individual
developments?
K
Sure
to
I
believe
it
was
jim
dunn's
comment
regarding
the
thirty
percent
slope
and
and
allowable
development.
The
determination
on
that
was
that
it
was
related
to
density
and
not
allowable
building
floor
area,
so
we
we
did
explore
it.
It
was
addressed
and
it
was
not
a
not
an
issue
for
this
project.
B
Okay,
thank
you
now,
it's
time
for
committee
discussion
who
would
like
to
start.
F
Yes,
eric.
Can
you
tell
me
exactly
what
your
finished
floor
elevation
is
now
that
you've
made
changes?
Is
it
at
496
or
is
it
lower.
K
B
Well,
I
I
have
a
number
of
comments
about
a
variety
of
things.
First
of
all,
regarding
the
landscape,
I
think
the
well.
Let
me
start
even
before
that
I've
lived
in
and
out
of
the
mesa
since
1965,
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
neighborhood
I've
designed
a
number
of
houses
in
the
neighborhood,
including
on
crestview,
on
el
camino
on
ridge.
B
So
it's
it
is
a
very
eclectic,
neighborhood
and
and
my
opinion,
my
feeling
is
that
people
who
build
big
big
houses
in
the
mesa
usually
bought
multiple
lots
and
the
lot
the
houses
were
able
to
stand
on
their
own
as
the
lots
that
were
left
become
the
smaller
lots.
People
are
building
smaller
houses,
there's
a
certain
style
and
character
to
the
houses
that
are
being
built
and
they
do
have
a
a
less
structured
feel.
D
B
Because
if
you
look
at
the
existing
wash,
there
are
no
native
plant
material
there
because
it
gets
washed
away
every
couple
of
years.
That's
an
active
wash
and
I've
seen
raging
streams
run
through
there,
and
so
I
and
I
think
any
landscaping.
That's
done
back.
There
needs
to
mimic
the
natural
landscape
that
we
see
of
boulders,
of
a
variety
of
native
plant
materials
and
things
that
just
soften
that,
instead
of
making
it
look
like
a
straight
demarcation
line
of
here's,
our
project
and
there's
nature.
B
I
think
that
the
the
peers
that
are
shown
really
need
to
be
much
deeper,
because
I
think
you're
going
to
need
to
assume
that
portions
of
that
wash
are
going
to
take
away
the
dirt
between
the
wash
and
those
piers.
I
think
the
bottom
of
the
piers
needs
to
be
significantly
below
the
bottom
of
the
wash.
B
But
my
biggest
problem
with
this
house
and
the
reason
I
cannot
support
it-
is
that
it
is
a
flat
house
on
a
very
pitched
lot.
None
of
the
materials
are
are
used
anywhere
else
in
the
immediate
neighborhood.
Yes,
they're
used
down
in
palm
canyon.
Yes,
they're
used
in
the
hollywood
hills,
but
then
this
doesn't
let
these
houses
blend
in
to
the
neighborhood,
and
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
is
right.
B
Now
we're
only
talking
about
one
house
and
forgetting
that
lots
that
aren't
being
proposed,
but
the
fact
that
there's
going
to
be
two
of
these
immediately
adjacent
to
each
other
causes
a
very
big
disruption
to
the
quality
and
character
of
the
neighborhood,
and
I
question
the
materials
yellow
cedar
on
that
square
garage
with
zero
overhangs
and
southern
and
western
exposure
that
wood
is
going
to
cup
and
twist
and
bend
and
and
just
go
nuts.
It
just
doesn't
work
in
the
desert
and
also
a
question
in
the
bedroom.
That's
on
the
north
east
corner.
B
E
Some
of
the
materials
you
know
are
very
marginal
and
also,
I
would
agree
with
chairman
jake
that
a
more
naturalized
edge
be
proposed
rather
than
hedging
along
property
lines.
We
we
tend
to
like
to
make
the
property
lines
blur
and
even
the
speaker
or
one
of
the
public
speakers.
E
If
there's
two
of
these,
you
know,
if
there's
opportunity,
to
show
these
houses
in
context
of
one
another.
You
know
that
are
adjacent.
H
A
Yeah,
I
tend
to
favor
very
modern
architecture,
so
I
kind
of
like
architecture.
However,
I
do
think
that
it's
just
much
too
large,
of
a
structure
for
the
lot
and
for
the
area,
and
I
agree
with
the
chairs
assessment
of
the
wood
it
just
it's
not
going
to
hold
up
here
and
it
does
look
like
it
belongs
in
the
hollywood
hills.
It
doesn't
look
like
it
belongs
in
the
mesa
to
me.
I
happen
to
like
the
structure.
I
just
don't
think
it's
the
right
place
for
it.
I
Mr
chairman,
that's
john
walsh.
Yes,
john,
yes
I'll
comment
in
reading
through
the
the
package
of
neighbor
comments,
I
mean
they
are
sweeping
and
they
are
articulate
and
it's
it's
quite
a
litany
of
of
issues
I
think
to
to
be
recognized
and
and
to
to
try
to
negotiate
in
and
integrate.
I
I
would
agree
that,
as
you
said
tom,
it
is
a
mismatch
between
the
site
and
and
the
building
massing
and
the
and
the
design
you
know
it
expresses
you
can
see
it
itself
evident
in
section
it
looks
to
be
a
missed
opportunity.
This
is
a
city
where
99
of
the
lots
are
dead
flat
and
you
just
you
know.
I
This
is
something
to
be
embraced
and
integrated
in
so
far
as
the
limitations
of
the
design
and
the
the
limitations
of
a
site
should
be
the
springboard
from
which
a
creative
design
is
developed,
and
I
kind
of
think
this
has
missed
the
mark.
It's
turning
its
back
to
the
opportunity,
the
neighborhood.
I
That's
there
in
terms
of
the
characteristics
it
just
doesn't
take
long
to
kind
of
realize
that
it
is
soft
and
eclectic
and
there
is
a
consistency
to
it,
and
I
don't
think
that
this
is
a
fit
at
any
of
those
at
any
of
those
levels.
F
I
have
not,
but
I'm
I
don't
know
that
I
have
much
to
add
to
what's
already
been
said.
I
do
have
a
personal
complaint
that
the
exhibits
that
were
submitted
were
very
difficult
to
read.
I
found
the
particularly
the
elevations,
they
would
seem
ghost-like
and
you
really
couldn't
especially
the
rear
view.
You
couldn't
really
see
where
the
bottom
was,
and
so
to
me
it
seemed
a
little
misleading
and
the
other
comment
is
that
we
are.
F
F
The
renderings
really
did
not
depict
what
you
would
see
from
across
the
canyon.
There
was
the
one
view,
but
I
really,
I
think
it
it
graphically.
They
minimized
the
actual
impact
of
it.
So
I
hope
that
if
they
do
come
back
with
addition
with
another
project
or
a
resubmittal
that
they
take
a
real
hard
look
to
accurately
and
clearly
depict
what
the
project
is.
B
G
Yes,
so
this
is
a
proposed
residence
next
to
the
one
that
you
just
reviewed
the
views
of
the
surrounding
areas-
and
this
is
the
purple's
residence.
G
The
size
of
the
residence
is
three
thousand
four
hundred
twenty
nine
square
feet,
which
includes
a
dwelling
area
of
two
thousand
eight
hundred
seventy
seven
square
feet,
as
well
as
an
attached
garage,
which
is
five
hundred
fifty
two
square
feet
about
that
size
is
eleven
to
206
square
feet
again.
This
property
is
also
designed
in
l-shaped
orientation.
G
This
is
a
purple
floor
plan.
This
actually
resides
consists
of
upper
and
lower
levels.
The
upper
level
is
going
to
have
a
garage
which
leads
to
an
entry
area
to
the
kitchen
and
dining
living
room,
as
well
as
a
bedroom
and
a
deck,
and
there
will
be
stairs
at
least
to
the
lower
level
and
the
lower.
G
These
are
the
the
street
facing
innovation,
as
well
as
the
rear
innovation
of
the
purple's
residents.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
residents
includes
upper
and
lower
levels.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
mix
of
recessed
and
projected
innovation
treatment,
and
when
the
property
is
viewed
from
the
the
front,
innovation
you'll
be
seeing
the
side
elevation.
The
garage,
quarten,
steel,
pedestrian
gate,
as
well
as
a
concrete
entry
wall.
G
The
overall
building
height
is
29
feet
and
nine
inches
as
proposed,
and
this
is
the
eastern
division
of
the
proposed
residence
garage
opening
will
be
facing
the
side
yard.
Just
like
the
project
that
you
previously
reviewed,
and
you
see
at
the
both
stories
upper
level
and
the
lower
level-
and
this
is
the
western
edition
of
the
residence
you're
going
to
be
looking
the
rear
of
the
garage,
as
well
as
the
residence
which
extends
over
the
slope
area.
G
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
several
materials
that
are
pretty
much
identical
to
what's
being
proposed
for
the
property.
The
only
difference
between
this
project
and
the
one
that
you
reviewed
in
terms
of
materials
is
that
the
concrete
entry
wall
and
this
particular
project
proposes
which
form
the
concrete
walls,
whereas
the
other
one
proposes
the
panel
form
the
concrete
walls
and
the
renderings
submitted
by
the
applicant.
The
driveway
leads
to
the
garage
which
opening
faces
the
side
yard.
G
G
G
Our
two
applications
are
submitted
for
to
abutting
lots,
and
the
project
proposes
the
use
of
identical
construction
and
the
prime
materials
for
similarly
designed
residences,
and
the
proposed
landscape
design
looks
very
older
in
appearance
and
the
stuff
finds
that
landscape
design
that's
a
little
bit
more
natural
and
organic
in
appearance
would
be
appropriate
to
allow
smoother
spatial
transition.
K
B
K
So
this
lot
is
steeper
and
a
little
bit
more
irregular
in
its
size
and
shape,
and
this
was
the
lot
we
proposed
as
being
two-story
and
what
we
tried
to
do
on
both
of
these
lots-
and
you
know
I
don't
know
if
I
mentioned
before,
but
to
in
in
almost
all
palm
spring
homes
having
a
pool
is,
is
fairly
essential
and
and
to
put
a
pool
on
a
descending
slope
so
as
to
to
prefer
the
massing
on
the
higher
flatter
lot
begins
to
bring
up
the
issue
of
grading
on
that
30
slope
and
one
in
our
immediate
response
was
to
try
to
put
the
areas
that
required
that
the
the
items
that
required
a
lot
of
grading
to
put
on
this,
the
portions
of
slope
that
were
more
gentle
in
that
regard.
K
K
This
property,
in
response
to
again
the
neighborhood
outreach,
prompted
us
to
to
lower
the
the
building,
an
additional
four
feet
below
what
we
were
originally
proposing,
and
you
can
see
that
in
the
elevations
and
section
where
the
the
garage
is
pretty
much
halfway
buried
and
so
the
the
grading,
the
extent
of
the
the
sort
of
major
remedial
grading
is,
is
the
southern
end
of
the
property
on
the
higher
end
of
the
law
as
the
proper
as
the
property
descends.
K
Originally,
we
tried
to
stick
with
the
ideas
of
peers,
and
so
we
weren't
grading
on
that
30
slope.
Now
we're
still
proposing
that
for
the
two-story
portion,
but
the
the
middle
courtyard
section
requires
a
bit
more
fill
as
it's
gotten
lower
and
the
base
the
lower
level
then
becomes
a
bit
more
like
a
basement
buried
on
the
back
side
of
the
property.
It's
not
legally
termed
a
basement.
It
has
more
than
the
appropriate
amount
of
perimeter
that
that
daylights,
but
as
it
gets
deeper,
it
gets
backfilled.
K
So
as
we
go
further
into
that
exercise,
it's
a
it's.
It's
a
problem
that
persists
the
more
earthwork
that's
required
and
the
more
extensive
the
project
becomes.
The
more
unforeseen
issues
like
big
boulders
become
become
an
issue.
So
with
that
being
said,
you
know
we
let
that
determine
some
of
our
design
approach
and
we
ended
up
with
something
we
think
is
quite
unique
and
and
quite
different.
K
You
know
the
approach
was
to
be
different
and
unique,
and
I
think
this
this
achieves
that,
although
it
does
work
better
with
the
property,
it
works,
it
slopes
down
into
it.
But
it's
again
it's
it's
a
lot
more
construction,
a
lot
more
issues
potentially
with
trucks
exporting
material
and
that's
going
to
be
the
case.
The
further
we
go
down.
K
So
that
being
said,
you
know
we
did
propose.
We
we
do
want
to
propose
different
materials
on
this
project.
We
didn't
have
time
to
update
the
material
palette,
but
we
do
want
to
want
to
go
with
a
different
material
palette
to
be
contrasted
to
the
the
property
adjacent
and
this
one
as
well
uses
a
different
style.
K
And
although
some
of
the
plants
are
the
same,
this
one
largely
uses
different
material
proposed
for
the
hedging
in
the
form
of
palo
verde
versus
the
podocarpus
podocarpus.
Is
there
but
it's
more
of
an
accent,
but
we
would
be
open
to
addressing
all
the
landscaping
as
part
of
in
hopes
for
an
approval
with
conditions,
hopefully
as
as
part
of
a
condition.
So
with
that
being
said,
open
to
questions.
K
B
B
I
think
robert
had
a
great
comment
that
the
elevations
his
term
was
ghost,
but
that's
what's
true,
they
they
never
show
the
house
really
touching
the
ground,
and
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
clear
line
of
where
the
each
of
the
walls
touches
the
ground.
As
you
look
at
all
four
sides
of
the
building.
When,
when
we
look
at
the
elevations.
B
B
I
question
also
the
legal
pool
barrier
fencing
that's
required
around
the
pool
to
make
sure
that
that
is
adequate
and
is
shown
when
you
show
us
a
prop
most
probable
resubmittal
on
this,
and
that's
my
comments
and
my
questions.
Any
other
questions
from
the
committee
for
the
applicant.
F
Robert
yeah,
just
because
you
said
that
you
lowered
the
house,
so
can
you
just
tell
me
exactly
what
finish
floor
elevations
you're
at
currently
so.
K
B
B
D
And
my
other
comment,
our
question,
I
guess
is:
are
you
when
you
say
that
these
houses
should
be
more
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood?
Are
you
referring
to
becoming
more
of
a
spanish.
B
The
neighborhood's
very
eclectic,
of
course
there
is
spanish,
but
there
are
some
softer
contemporary
houses.
There's
ranch
houses.
There's
you
know.
A
large
variety
of
styles
of
houses
in
the
neighborhood
in
granted
along
palm
canyon
is
a
unique
situation
and
those
those
houses
are
very
contemporary,
but
those
were
the
how
the
lots
that
nobody
ever
wanted.
Those
are
the
flat
leftover
lots
from
the
mesa
people
once
they
got
up
on
the
hill,
were
more
attuned
to
making
the
house
fit
the
slope
and
because
of
the
way
it
fit
the
slope.
B
H
A
F
And
sure
I,
if
I
may.
F
Yeah
so
going
back
to
the
neighboring
house
310.
So
do
the
entry
wall
entry
walls
line
up
no
they're?
They
are
staggered.
K
In
plan
view
no
they're
staggered.
F
B
A
Mr
chair,
I
haven't
had
any
requests
to
speak
directly,
so
if
there
is
anyone
who
does
want
to
speak
on
this
item,
please
unmute
your
microphone
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
L
Hi
david-
this
is
jim
dunn,
I'll
just
say
my
my
comments
are
much
the
same
and
again
being
able
to
see,
as
I
think
you
all
have
stated
to
see,
the
properties
together
will
be
really
helpful
for
those
of
us
who
can't
imagine
the
look
of
that.
So
with
that
I'll
leave
my
comments
as
they
are.
B
Okay
committee
members,
comments
and
and
discussion.
M
Yes,
this
is
rosie
and
I'm
the
secretary
of
the
mason
neighborhood
organization.
I
have
lived
at
232
ridge,
road
since
september
of
2005.
M
M
B
M
K
No
major
responses
other
than
the
previous
response
I
missed
to
rosie.
I
she
addressed
me
and
saying
that
I
you
know
insinuated
that
I
lied
by
having
not
worked
here
before.
I
have
not
worked
here
in
in
palm
springs
before
these
are
our
first
two
projects
proposed
and
understand:
there's
two
eric's
involved,
but
I
would
appreciate
if,
if
there
were
no
insinuations
like
that.
B
B
I'd
like
to
just
right
off
the
bat
make
a
quick
comment
in
the
mesa.
The
streets.
The
paved
streets
have
nothing
to
do
in
general,
with
the
right-of-way.
They
were
built
way
back
when
before
any
of
this
happened.
So
on
this
particular
lot,
the
edge
of
pavement
is
probably
another
15
feet,
maybe
even
20
feet
away
from
the
property
line,
so
to
have
an
encroachment
into
that
front.
B
Setback
is,
in
my
opinion,
not
an
issue
at
all.
In
fact,
you
can
see
the
house
immediately
to
the
west,
the
corner
of
that
house
and
the
proposed
corner
of
this
house
are
almost
exactly
the
same
and
in
fact,
the
house
to
the
west,
where
the
garage
is
it
projects
even
further
into
that
front
setback.
So
I
don't
think
the
setback
request
is
a
issue
at
all.
It's
just
something
that
happens
in
the
mesa.
C
Members
I'll
speak
a
bit
to
the
courtyard
your
your
comment
about
the
pool
privacy.
I
concur
with
in
the
opening
statement
for
the
previous
residents.
C
They
specifically
noted
that
the
pool
was
cited
for
privacy
for
the
owner
having
having
the
pools
looking
at
each
other
will
impede
that
there's
also
having
the
this
the
size
of
the
pool
and
the
infinity
edges
equipment,
the
quantity
number
of
pumps
or
blower
spa
pool
the
quantity
of
overflow
with
an
infinity
pool.
C
You've
got
excess
pumping
setup,
so
noise
between
the
two.
I
would
like
to
see
how
system
placement
of
systems
what
you're
looking
at
as
this
is
developed.
I
think
the
courtyard
is
beautiful
in
the
renderings.
I
think
the
indoor
outdoor
flow
is
great.
I
don't
want
to
walk
there
and
bare
feet
and
it
it
just
feels
a
little
hot
there's,
no
softness,
but
it's
dramatic
and
beautiful
with
the
landscaping
down
below.
I
think
this
the
same
comments
where
it
can
wash
away
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
E
Committee,
tom
I'll,
just
make
a
similar
comment.
E
I
would
just
like
to
make
a
similar
comment
that
the
applicant
review,
the
appropriateness
of
the
plant
material
for
the
desert,
and
I
wasn't
as
specific
in
the
previous
comment,
but
particularly
the
podocarpus,
and
also
the
olive
trees
that
are
showing
are
shown
as
the
symbol
is
shown
as
a
very
small
diameter,
and
I
think,
if
they
put
it
to
the
proper
size
of
what
a
olive
tree
would
get
or
a
medium-sized
olive
tree,
they'd
probably
rearrange
those
again
and
also
the
dimundia
plant
material.
E
I
would
think
there's
more
desert
appropriate
ground
covers
if
they're
trying
to
stabilize
some
slopes.
Thank
you.
B
To
address
the
question
of
what
architecture
do
we
think
is
appropriate?
Here
I
mean.
Certainly
the
majority
of
the
mesa
probably
has
a
spanish
flair
style
to
it,
but
there
have
been
some
very
successful
contemporary
homes.
Don
wexler
did
a
house
up
at
the
top
of
el
portal,
very
small
house,
very,
very
top
of
crestview
when
ridge
turns
to
the
left.
There's
a
very
interesting
international
style
house,
long
and
slung
low,
trina
turks
house,
the
ship
of
the
desert
has
a
great
character
to
it.
B
So
we're
definitely
not
saying
that
this
has
to
be
a
spanish-style
house.
I
just
think
it
has.
Some
has
to
have
something.
That's
got
a
relationship
to
the
projects
that
have
been
previously
built
on
the
hillside,
lots
within
the
mesa.
B
I
I
With
consideration
to
all
of
the
comments
that
we
have
made
in
terms
of
building
massing
relationship
to
the
hillside,
issues
of
privacy,
I
think
david
probably
captured
the.