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A
C
D
D
B
B
A
Thank
you.
I
would
like
to
propose
a
motion
to
amend
the
agenda,
adding
the
hspb
interview,
questions
under
discussion
items
this
evening,
so
I'd
like
to
ask
the
board
if
they
have
any
additional
revisions,
so
I've
made
a
motion.
Do
I
have
a
second?
A
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
myself
and
a
second
by
eric
rosenell.
Any
further
discussion
on
paper
say:
aye
aye
aye
any
opposed
motion
carries
six
zero.
So
let's
move
right
on
to
public
comments.
A
B
Yes,
mr
marshall,
who
is
here
on
the
screen
with
us,
has
requested
to
speak
during
public
comment,
and
I
also
prior
to
this
meeting,
forwarded
to
all
of
you,
a
written
public
comment
that
came
in
from
nikki
mclaughlin
of
bs
modern
committee.
E
Thank
you
ken
good
evening.
All
I'm
ron,
marshall
from
the
palm
springs
preservation
foundation.
On
november
12,
2020
pspf
sent
a
letter
to
the
palm
springs
city
manager,
asking
the
city
city
to
consider
revising
the
current
preservation
ordinance
to
correct
what
we
consider
to
be
two
glaring
problems.
E
E
So
I'll,
not
summarize
it
in
the
interest
of
time
on
an
optimistic
note,
after
some
very
constructive
email
exchanges
with
ken
lyon
today
on
this
topic,
I
do
believe
that
the
planning
staff
can
come
up
with
a
policy
workaround
that
would
be
acceptable
to
all
and
would
obviate
the
need
for
a
rewrite
of
the
ordinance.
I
understand
you
can't
discuss
this
because
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
but
I
think
it's
an
important
issue,
an
important
policy
discussion
and
I'd.
Ask
that
you
consider
it
for
your
march
meeting
agenda.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
ron.
We
really
appreciate
that
input
and
I
think
you
make
some
very
valid
points
so
happy
to
see
that
we
have
some
solutions
in
in
process.
Thank.
E
B
A
B
E
No
thank
you
just
here
to
hear
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you.
No
other
speaker,
mr
marucci,
were
you
here
to
speak
if
you
could
turn
your
microphone
on.
E
B
I
was
just
here
to
observe
okay,
one
question,
though
I
don't
know
if
this
could
be
answered.
Will
this
item
be
presented
to
the
planning
commission?
Yes,
okay,
that's
another
reason
why
I'm
not
going
to
speak
and
then
janet
hansen
is
our.
I
think
janet
hanson.
Are
you
here
to
speak
during
public
comment?
B
A
A
As
everyone
had
a
chance
to
review
the
the
minutes
that
were
sent,
then
does
anyone
have
changes
to
the
minutes?
A
Okay,
so
we
have
five,
mr
lyon,
that
approved
and
we
have
one-
that's
abstained.
Thank
you,
okay.
The
next
item
is
public
hearings,
for
which
we
have
none
this
evening
and
the
next
item.
After
that's
unpunished,
business,
which
there
is
none.
However,
we
do
have
items
under
new
business
item
4a
the
secondary
source
productions,
llc,
dba,
reform
of
palm
springs,
requesting
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
alterations
to
the
jw
robinson's
department
store,
building
a
class
1
historic
site
located
at
333,
south
palm
canyon
drive.
B
B
However,
in
this
case,
there
are
alterations
to
the
exterior
of
the
building
which
the
proposed
tenant
is
requesting
approval
of
the
hspb,
because
this
is
a
class
one
historic
site
on
page
three
and
four
primarily
on
page
four,
are
some
of
the
details
of
the
application
what's
being
proposed
here
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
is
to
activate
some
of
the
raised
terrace
area
on
the
east,
facade
of
the
building
to
enable
outdoor
dining.
B
So
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
materials
that
you
have
in
your
packet
and
in
the
staff
report,
is
a
series
of
a
pair
of
two
new
double
doors
are
proposed
that
would
allow
access
onto
the
dining
terrace
and
then
the
dining
terrace
would
be
established
by
creating
some
enclosed
railings
around
portions
of
the
raised
terrace
on
the
east
facade.
B
So
in
your
staff
report
on
page
three
and
four
I've,
given
you
some
background
so
that
you
understand
some
of
the
past
recent
modifications
on
this
building
that
have
been
approved
by
the
hspb
and
as
noted
there,
the
board
approved
in
2015
alterations
to
this
building.
That
would
enable
it
to
be
adaptively
reused
for
multi-tenants.
It
used
to
be,
of
course,
a
single
department
store,
and
so
you
see
on
page
four
at
the
top,
there
are
the
images
and
the
elevations
and
the
primary
facades
showing
that
work.
B
That
was
done
in
2015..
I
bring
that
to
your
attention,
because
some
of
the
one
of
the
pairs
of
new
doors
that
are
being
proposed
will
be
going
into
that
2015
carton,
waller
storefront
area.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
in
the
material
that
I
have
said
sent
to
you
late
this
afternoon.
You
should
have
received
a
a
diagram
or
a
sketch
and
flynn.
I
am
going
to
try
to
share
my
screen
here
in
case
there's
any
missed
options
here,
where
people
have
not
seen
these
these
materials
so.
D
B
Okay,
so
what
you're?
Looking
at
here
board
members
are
two
schemes
for
an
alternative
design
for
the
railings
that
are
proposed
to
enclose
these
two
outdoor
terrace
areas.
As
I
noted
in
my
correspondence
to
you
earlier
today,
the
applicant
and
the
materials
that
you
received
in
your
packets
last
week
were
proposing
what
are
basically
referred
to
as
stainless
steel.
Cable,
strung
railings,
where
the
top
rail
and
the
vertical
stanchions
are
solid.
Steel
and
a
series
of
stainless
steel
cables
are
stretched
between
them
to
provide
the
intermediate
railings.
B
In
conversations
with
this
applicant,
we
began
looking
at
these
railings
and
trying
to
figure
out
if
there
might
be
a
more
appropriate
way
of
integrating
railings
with
the
building
that
are
more
respectful
and
related
to
the
architecture
of
the
building,
and
the
applicant
has
come
back
with
the
schemes
that
you
see
on
my
screen.
This
topmost
one
is
proposing
a
diamond
pattern.
B
That's
somewhat
reflective
of
the
diamond
or
bow
tank
bow
tie
pattern
that
you
see
in
the
fascia
of
the
building,
as
well
as
in
the
concrete
veneer
faces
on
the
walls
in
those
diamond
patterns
that
you
see
those
the
diamond
portion
of
the
long
horizontal
diamond
portions
of
it
would
be
flat
painted
steel
stock.
I
believe
their
color
proposed
here
is
black,
so
that
it
would
recede
the
lower
image
down.
B
Here
is
one
in
which
the
the
intermediate
railings
that
comprise
the
filler,
if
you
will
below
the
top
rail,
would
be
more
open
almost
as
a
tubular
steel
or
a
solid
steel
bar
either
square
around
that
would
create
those
rectangular
forms,
so
the
applicant
is
proposing
either
of
these
for
your
consideration,
I
would
suggest
the
top
one
with
the
diamond
pattern,
in
my
opinion,
is
a
bit
more
appropriate,
but
I
will
leave
those
decisions
to
the
board.
B
Let
me
stop
sharing
my
screen
there.
So
the
analysis
for
you,
in
considering
alterations
to
a
class
one
site,
come
out
of
the
zoning
code
or
the
municipal
code
chapter
110
of
the
preservation
ordinance,
and
there
are
specific
findings
that
you
must
make
in
order
to
approve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
and
those
are
listed
beginning
on
page
six
and
seven
of
your
staff
report
and
the
analog.
The
analysis
that
we
have
done
is
a
conditional
recommendation
for
approval,
which
I
will
get
into
in
just
a
second.
B
We
have
a
situation
here
where
this
is
obviously
deemed
a
project
under
sequa,
and
the
guidelines
suggest
that,
in
order
for
the
city
to
determine
the
project
is
categorically
exempt,
not
requiring
further
analysis
under
sequa
that
the
proposed
project
does
not
materially
impair
the
defining
characteristics
of
the
building
and
that
the
work
is
done
in
accordance
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards.
B
We
have
determined
in
our
analysis
of
this
that
the
project
does
meet
those
criteria.
The
the
proposed
railings
are
sensitively
integrated
if
they
were
to
be
removed
in
the
future.
The
the
raised
terrace
area,
concrete,
can
be
patched
and
the
area
restored
to
the
way
that
it
was
previously
number
two,
the
doors
the
doors
go
into
storefront
areas,
most
of
which
are
newer.
The
one
on
the
annex,
building
or
to
the
southern
portion
of
the
building
on
the
east
facade
is
new
storefront.
B
Now
that
new
storefront
was
designed
to
look
like
the
original
storefront,
so
it
is
in
keeping
with
the
aesthetic
of
the
building
and
in
both
of
these
cases,
if
a
future
tenant
were
to
not
require
these
doors,
those
doors
again
could
be
removed
and
the
storefront
restored
to
its
original
condition.
So
we're
prepared
to
take
a
categorical
exemption
under
sequa
that
the
proposed
project
does
not
materially
impair
the
defining
characteristics
of
the
building
and
those
defining
characteristics
for
your
analysis
are
on
page
two
of
your
staff
report.
B
Let
me
go
back
to
the
face
to
the
front
cover,
there's
a
few
things
here
that
I
just
want
to
clarify
for
you.
We
got
this
application
rather
late,
and
I
scrambled
to
get
this
together
for
you
today
and
so
I've.
B
I've
got
a
few
details
here
that
I'm
recommending
that
a
subcommittee
be
formed,
and
I've
identified
this
on
page
one
of
your
staff
report
to
establish
a
subcommittee
of
the
hspb
to
review
the
furnishings
equipment
railings
for
the
proposed
outdoor
dining
terrace,
to
assure
compatibility
with
the
modern
aesthetic
of
the
building
to
prohibit
the
installation
of
misters
permanently
mounted
heaters
lights,
shade
structures,
speakers
and
other
attachments
to
the
exterior
of
the
building
to
require
that
the
applicant
provide
more
information
about
the
interior,
special
effect
lighting
on
the
dance
floor
and
the
ceiling
lighting
to
avoid
glare
and
light
distractions
on
the
outside
of
the
building,
especially
through
the
clear
story.
B
Windows
and
I
believe,
rob
will
be
explaining
more
about
their
plans
for
controlling
light
spillage
on
this
building
number
four
to
require
that
any
new
roof
mounted
mechanical
equipment
be
located
within
the
screen.
Roof
enclosures
that
integrate
with
the
architecture
of
the
building
number
five
to
recommend
a
more
minimal
design
for
the
abc
railings.
We've
already
talked
about
that.
B
So
that
concludes
my
staff
report.
Again,
we
are
recommending
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
this.
I
am
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
and
rob
the
applicant
is
here
with
us
and
would
like
to
speak
briefly
on
it
and
george.
His
architect
is
here
as
well.
Thank
you
and.
A
A
Invite
the
applicants
to
speak
with
us.
We
look
forward
to
it.
F
Thank
you
first
off.
Thank
you,
ken
for
for
putting
together
the
staff
report.
Your
assistance
in
this
has
been
invaluable
and
I
thank
the
board
for
consideration
for
this
application.
You
know,
as
ken
you
know,
points
out.
Our
intent
here
is
to
be
respectful
of
the
building
and
its
history.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
chose
the
building.
We
do
find
that
the
historical
nature
of
the
building
and
the
mid-century
aesthetic
that
it
has
is
going
to
be
a
draw
for
our
business.
F
So
we
want
to
maintain
that
as
much
as
possible.
You
know
even
the
railings
that
we're
having
discussions
about
they're,
really
only
a
requirement
by
the
alcohol
alcoholic
beverage
control
board
in
california.
If
it
wasn't
for
that,
we
wouldn't,
you
know,
even
ask
for
those,
but
we
do
need
to
have
them
for
that
purpose,
I
mean
both
george
and
I
are
available
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have.
D
Okay,
so
I
have
a
few
questions
for
the
applicant
and
questions
for
staff
as
well.
D
So
whether
or
not
I
do
all
that
now
or
a
little
bit
now
a
little
bit
later,
I'm
happy
to
do
it
anyway,
but
for
the
applicant,
if
you
could
answer
the
following
in
the
project
section
near
the
northernmost
palm
canyon
side.
D
Next,
to
where
new
entry
exit
doors
proposed,
the
original
diamond
block
facade
extends
from
the
indoor.
Excuse
me:
it
extends
from
the
outdoors
to
the
indoors
that
architect.
Excuse
me
that
architectural
feature,
I
believe,
should
remain
visible
and
unobstructed.
D
But
at
the
end
of
that
wall,
there's
a
little
white
bit,
that's
about
a
foot
wide
and
it
doesn't
have
any
done
block
pattern
on
it.
So
I
was
wondering
if
that
was
planning
to
be
cut
off
or
capped
or
how
it
would
be
finished.
And
do
you
understand
the
bit
that
I'm
talking
about.
F
I
was
just
at
the
site
recently
we've.
The
decision
to
include
the
patio
on
the
north
storefront
was
actually
fairly
new.
That
was
somewhat
based
on
conversations
with
ken,
where
originally
we
were
planning
on
just
doing
the
patio
on
the
south
side,
but
because
of
the
fact
that
that
would
cause
some
issues
for
us.
F
We
abandoned
the
idea
of
putting
more
patio
on
the
south
side,
and
then
I
reached
out
to
the
landlord
to
confirm
that
we
actually
had
access
to
that
north
patio,
so
it
was
just
recently
at
the
space
to
look
at
where
that
diamond.
F
F
I
agree
that
the
diamond
wall
should
remain
interior
to
the
space,
these,
the
small
gray
portion,
to
be
honest
with
you,
if
it's,
if
we
believe,
if
you
as
the
board,
believe
that
that
you
know
is
more
aesthetically
pleasing
to
have
it
removed
or
capped
off
we're
happy
to
do
that.
You
know,
or
if
I
know
that
hal
said
that
he
and
how
being
the
landlord
so
that
he
was
that
he
had
acquired.
That
diamond
pattern
concrete
wall.
F
If
we
wanted
to
continue
that
pattern
to
finish
it
off,
I'm
fine
with
that
as
well,
there's
nothing
from
our
perspective
that
needs
to
go
into
that
space.
So
we
had
no
intention
of
removing
the
wall
and,
like
I
said,
if
it
needs
to
be
capped
off,
that
would
be
fine.
George.
Do
you
want
to?
If
there's
is
there
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that.
G
D
G
Sure
that
that
little
alcove
is
it's
kind
of
a
dead
space
in
the
plan.
But
you
know
I'm
we're
perfectly
fine,
just
leaving
it
as
it
is
and
letting
that
pattern
just
go
through.
D
Great
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
emphasize
that
that
is
a
really
important
inside
outside
architectural
feature
and
the
fact
that
you
can
see
it
through
the
window.
I
think,
really
speaks
to
the
integrity
of
the
building.
So
I
think
it's
important
that
that
pattern
needs
to
either
be
finished
off
on
the
end
or
capped
or
something
that
is
sensitive,
that
is
approved
by
the
board
and
or
staff.
D
So
I
have
a
couple
more
questions
for
the
applicant.
If
you're
ready
for
them
the
next
one
is:
do
you
plan
for
the
front
patio
railing
to
align
with
the
edge
of
the
top
deck?
F
George
I'll
have
to
defer
to
you
on
that
one.
I
know
that
there
are
some
requirements
how
far
the
railing
can
be
from
the
top.
We
had
some
discussions
around,
you
know
gates
and
things
that
would
have
to
open
onto
a
stairway.
So
I
don't
know
if
there
are
requirements
to
speak
to
or
if
you
have
an
opinion.
You
know
from
an
aesthetic
perspective.
G
Yeah
we
were
showing
it
not
all
the
way
at
the
edge,
but
not
as
far
as
a
foot
in
either
and
we've
had
some
back
and
forth
with
ken
about
how
we're
going
to
detail
these
railings,
but
if
it
ends
up
becoming
a
sleeve
detail
or
recording
a
sleeve
into
the
concrete
that
typically
wants
to
be
at
least
three
or
four
inches
from
the
edge
of
a
con
concrete
anyway,
or
it's
going
to
spall
out
the
concrete.
G
G
There
are
portions
of
this
patio
that
feel
a
little
bit
narrow,
so
I
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
push
the
railing
in
too
far,
and
you
know
we're
we're
also
proposing
adding
this
plant
this
this
railing
onto
the
top
of
the
existing
planter
that
ken
just
sort
of
zoomed
us
away
from
there
and
and
and
in
that
condition.
G
We'd.
Like
to
be
kind
of
centered
in
the
top
of
the
of
the
planter
edge,
but
again
that's
a
detail
that
we're
kind
of
going
to
have
to
look
at
a
little
more
closely.
D
Great,
a
few
more
questions.
Well
we're
on
that
topic.
Talking
about
the
the
railing
and
the
planters.
D
So
my
question
was:
was
there
ever
any
discussion
of
maybe
putting
a
low
privet
hedge
in
that
planter
in
front
of
the
ramp
to
kind
of
hide
the
angle
of
the
lamp
and
to
to
complement
the
horizontality
of
the
building?
Or
does
anyone
know
if
that
would
be
unallowed
by
the
ada?
D
You
see
what
I
mean
if
it's
right
there,
where
those
people
are
sitting
on
that
planter.
If
you
put
in
a
low
hedge
that
came
above
the
height
of
the
rail
just
above
the
height
of
the
rail
that
was
cut,
you
know
trimmed
at
a
straight
line.
It
would
hide
that
whole
railing
and
I'm
not
sure
if
ada
requires
reeling
the
ramp
to
be
visible
from
the
sidewalk
of
the
street.
D
But
I
thought
that
would
be
a
nice
way
to
soften
that
particular
area,
and
you
could
likewise
do
the
same
thing
to
the
left,
where
the
cacti
are
in
the
plants
as
well,
which
not
only
would
add
more
softness
and
visually
balance
that
whole
thing,
but
it
would
create
somewhat
of
a
noise
buffer.
The
only
problem,
of
course,
that
it
does
start
to
hide
some
of
that
diamond
facade,
but
you
can't
have
it
all
right.
D
So
I
just
wondered
if
there
was
any
thought
given
to
hedging
there
as
opposed
to
railing
and
and
those
two
particular
areas.
F
I
know
I
think,
really
everyone
you
know
from
ken
to
another.
Actually
the
sound
engineer
that
I
brought
out
to
the
space
recently.
Everyone
has
commented
that
the
tall
fence
post
cacti
seemed
to
have
to
go
in
terms
of
a
hedge
there's,
the
ada
consideration,
and
it
is
the
question
to
replace
the
railing
with
a
hedge
or
to
have
the
the
railing
hidden
by
the
hedge
to
have
it
hidden,
okay,
yeah.
So
I
think
from
our
perspective
I
mean
I
think,
that
for
abc
purposes
we
need
the
railing.
F
The
hedge
may
not
be
sufficient,
so
I
think
certainly
hiding
it.
You
know,
as
I've
discussed
with
ken
and
with
george,
you
know
the
the
plant
matter
that
goes
in
there,
I'm
relatively
I'm
open
to
anything.
Just
it's
yeah,
I
I
agree.
The
fence,
post
cactus
isn't
particularly
attractive,
so
the
trailing
rosemary
that
ken
mentioned.
F
If
it
was
going
to
be
built
up
as
something
you
know,
even
if
it
was
at
one
point
we
had
discussed,
you
know
putting
texas
ranger
in
there
that
would
flower
during
the
summer
which
would
grow
higher.
So
I
think
all
of
those
are
options.
Georgeman
aesthetic
perspective:
do
you
have
a
personal
preference
of
hedges
there?
That
would
hide
the
railing.
G
We
are
to
look
at
the
plantings
that
are
in
that
existing
plants
or
defining
part
of
our
patio,
and
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
do
that,
then
it
would
sure
be
a
more
consistent
look
to
continue
with
the
same
type
of
plantings
in
that
planter
that
you're
talking
about
in
front
of
the
ramp,
I
mean
it
would
just
unify
it
all
the
way
across
and
I
have
no
problem
with
softening
up
the
look
along
that
street
frontage
with
plantings.
B
I,
if,
from
from
the
staff
perspective,
we
would
only
suggest
that
whatever
you
choose
to
do
with
regard
to
a
plant
material
there
that
perhaps
it
would
be
best
if
it
was
consistent
so
that
whatever
you
choose
to
put
in
front
of
the
ada
ramp
railing
would
probably
be
helpful
if
it
was
the
same
plant
material
that
goes
around
the
planter
area
around
the
terrace
just
south
of
that
exactly
I,
I
think
that
again
the
fence
post
cactus,
I
recall
clearly
when
it
was
being
proposed
back
in
2015.
B
I
strongly
encourage
them
not
to
put
it
in,
and
this
isn't
one
of
those
where
I
like
to
say,
I
told
you
so,
but
I
don't
know,
I
think
it's
better.
If
that
goes
away
in
some
other
softer
material,
that's
lower
and
and
more
green
in
its
nature
would
be,
would
be
nice.
I
don't
care
what
it
is.
I
just
offered
that
as
a
suggestion
and
if
you
want
to
work
with
the
hsbb
subcommittee
on
plant
choices,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
F
I
think
the
only
other
thing
to
maybe
point
out
which
might
be
relevant
to
this
question
is:
if
you
look
at
the
design
that
george
has
put
together,
the
suggestion
is
to
replace
the
ada
railing,
which
looks
very
institutional
right
now,
with
a
with
the
same
decorative
railing
that
would
go
around
the
that
would
go
around
the
patio
you
know.
F
So,
if
we,
you
know,
if
you
agree
that
the
that
diamond
pattern,
which
reflects
the
the
fascia
of
the
building
as
well
as
that
wall,
you
know,
if
that's
something,
that's
amenable,
and
we
think
that
it
adds
to
the
to
the
aesthetic
of
the
building.
It's
I
think
it's
worth
pointing
out
that
it
would
also
be
part
of
the
ada
ramp
to
and
remove
that,
like,
I
said,
the
sort
of
more
institutional
railing,
that's
in
there
right
now,.
B
Is
the
area
that
you're
talking
about
what
we
see
on
on
this
drawing.
F
Yeah,
so
at
the
bottom,
where
you've
got
the
gate
with
the
existing
planters.
I
think
this
was
because
this
was
put
out
relatively
quickly.
That
was
going
to
be
the
the
cable
railing
that
we
had,
but
obviously
we,
if
we're
going
to
do
this
diamond
shaped
railing,
then
we
wouldn't
have
that.
So
it
would
just
be
the
the
diamond
railing
and
I
would
suggest
that
it
would
go
up.
My
understanding
was
that
it
was
going
to
go
up
the
go
up
the
the
ada
ramp
as
well,
so
that
it's
all
one
cohesive
railing.
B
I
might
suggest
that
we
take
a
look
at
that
in
detail,
perhaps
with
the
subcommittee
my
concern
on
that
just
from
a
staff
level.
Is
that
once
you
take
that
diamond
pattern
or
whichever
pattern
the
board
chooses
and
angle
it,
you
might
run
into
some
visual
distractions,
perhaps
for
simplicity
reasons
you
might
want
to
keep
the
actual
rail
at
the
ramp
itself.
More
simple,
just
a
personal
thought.
D
Yeah
so
one
more
question
for
the
applicant
and
then
a
couple
comments,
so
I'll
give
my
comments.
First
personally,
I
think
that,
as
I
said,
early
railings
should
be
very
minimal
and
detract
from
the
original
architecture
as
little
as
possible,
and
I
further
believe
that
a
diamond
pattern
that
mimics
the
fascia
up
above
would
be
inappropriate
typically
in
preservation.
We
we
like
to
take
the
approach
that
any
addition
should
not
try
to
create
the
impression
that
they
are
part
of
the
original
architectural
elevation.
D
So
I
know
there
are
two
schools
of
thought
on
that.
So
I
hope
you
can
understand
and
appreciate
that,
because
this
is
clearly
the
only
significant
work
in
pumpkin
by
this
firm
survivor
and
luckman,
and
it
is
a
very
unusual
and
distinctive
facade
and
I
would
hate
to
have
a
modern
edition
that
tried
to
look
as
if
it
was
part
of
the
original
divine
intent.
D
That's
not
meant
as
a
criticism
in
any
way
shape
or
form
it's
just
where
I'm
coming
from,
and
projects
that
I've
seen
be
restored
throughout
the
state
and
the
nation
where
they
tend
to
take
the
approach
that
you
don't
try
to.
Complement
the
original
design,
but
rather
kind
of
slightly
distinguish
from
it.
So
you
don't
want
to
be
a
huge
contrast,
but
you
want
to
be
complimentary
and
subtle
clean
way
without
trying
to
look
like
it's
part
of
the
original
detail.
G
So
we
we,
we
put
the
we
put
the
gate
at
the
bottom
of
the
ramp.
We
basically
because
it's
an
abc
requirement
to
to
close
off
the
the
outdoor
seating.
G
G
You
know
we
already
have
the
landing
area
at
the
bottom
and
since
it
becomes
a
ramp
to
nowhere
anyways,
we
decided
to
put
it
at
the
bottom.
If
somebody
I
mean
basically,
what
we're,
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
with
the
whole
project
is
have
the
main
entrance
be
at
the
southernmost
door.
G
So
there's
already
a
second
handicap
ramp
in
front
of
bevmo
to
the
south,
and
so
that
would
be
that
would
be
the
more
sensible
accessible
route
in
terms
of
how
the
project
works
overall
and
then
once
whether
whether
you're
in
a
wheelchair
or
actively
mobile,
you
would
be
getting
to
this
northern
patio
from
inside
of
the
building
rather
than
from
directly
outside.
G
We
do
have
the
gate
there
so
that,
if,
for
some
reason,
somebody
did
want
to
go
up
that
way,
it's
possible
to
do
it.
It's
also
it
has
an
added
effect
of
of
kind
of
mitigating
that
space,
so
that
you
know
people
don't
set
up
camp
in
there
and
just
throw
trash
or
whatever
it's
it's
kind
of
it.
It's
just
a
little
cleaner
to
close
it
off.
G
And
then
I
to
to
speak
to
your
comment:
it's
interesting
because
we've
we
we've
been
going
through
a
process
together,
rob
and
canon
ourselves
and,
interestingly,
you
know
my
point
of
departure.
Was
this
very
minimal?
Just
linear,
railings
and
actually
kind
of
there
are
existing
handrails
on
the
steps
that
are
literally
just
black
posts
and
one
black
rail
at
the
top
right?
G
And
so
you
know
we
were
thinking
in
those
terms
and
then
it
morphed
and
and
so
you
know,
we
were
looking
at
images
of
of
other
abc
mandated
railings
around
town
and
and
we
had
images
of
the
ones
at
el
patron,
the
ones
at
lulu
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
noticed
and
and
I've
done.
A
lot
of
restaurants
with
with
outdoor
spaces
is,
unless
it's
a
really
solid
thing.
G
When,
when
you
back
up
tables
and
chairs
against
railing,
what
you
see
is
not
the
railing
but
the
tables
and
chairs
and
the
tablecloths
and
and
and
you
know
you
can-
you
can
look
at
any
of
the
restaurants
along
palm
canyon
and
find
that
that's
largely
the
case
and
so
in
our
process.
Over
the
last
few
days.
G
Going
back
and
forth
with
ken
and
rob
you
know
we
we
kind
of
went
from
the
linear
railing
to
okay,
let's,
let's
look
at
different
patterns
and
we
had
sort
of
diamonds
shape
described
with
just
bar
stock,
not
solid,
and
then
at
some
point
we
afterwards
we
we
shaded
it
in
and
we
thought
you
know
that
actually
looks
better,
and
so
when
you,
when
you
have
basically
what
what
you
would
have
is
you
would
have
the
railing
itself
with
the
diamond
motif.
G
You
would
have
the
plants
in
front
and
for
the
most
part,
the
tables
and
chairs
then
disappear
and
you're
you're
left
with
something.
That's
a
lot
more
architectural
overall
now
you
know
we
can.
We
can
argue
the
merits
and
you
know,
demerits
of
that.
But
but
that's
that's
kind
of
the
process
that
led
us
to
where
we
are
tonight.
G
You
know
I'm
I'm
actually
open-minded
as
far
as
what
the
color
of
the
railing
is,
I'm
even
open-minded
as
to
whether
it's
open
or
closed,
but
just
having
having
looked
at
a
bunch
of
these
over
the
last
few
days.
It
just
and-
and
it
felt
like
you
know,
doing
those
solid
pieces
in
this
case
actually
made
sense.
A
B
Lyon,
I
just
want
to
chime
in
and
and
reiterate
what
george
has
said
when
we
began
the
dialogue
on
this.
My
my
encouragement
to
them
was
to
make
these
railings
as
minimal
as
possible,
and
and
we
you
know,
we
can
reach
out
to
abc
and
determine
what
is
the
most
minimal
kind
of
railing
that
they
would
consider
a
minimal
requirement
and
just
to
speak
briefly
to
jade's
comment.
B
There
are
two
schools
of
thought
and
there
are.
There
is
no
right
or
wrong
in
terms
of
whether
you
replicate
or
differentiate,
certainly
with
the
2015
project.
It
was
an
excruciatingly
detailed
effort
to
replicate,
and
the
work
that
was
done
in
2015
is
almost
impossible
to
discern
from
that
which
was
original
from
both
1958
and
1972..
C
B
Miss
remember
dixon,
no,
that's
not
gone
any
further
it.
It
becomes
quite
a
challenge
with
respect
to
integrating
everything
on
palm
canyon
with
a
particular
railing
type.
Just
simply
because
of
the
variety
of
architecture
that
we
have
there.
C
B
Want
to
just
bring
up
for
you
briefly
and
show
you
the
railing
that
you
worked
with
the
applicant
on
el
patron,
so
you
and
under
our
remembering
what
we
show
us.
B
G
G
B
B
E
C
A
Okay,
so
now
that
we
can
make
that
have
that
discussion
also,
I
think
emma
dickson
in
just
a
couple
of
moments,
I
think,
is
a
good
idea
to
talk
about
that.
E
Remember
kaiser:
do
you
want
to
have
that
discussion
with
the
subcommittee
or
should
we
do
that
to
me?
That's
a
subcommittee
issue
also
in
regard
to
a
continuous
railing
style.
All
the
way
down
palm
canyon
is
not
going
to
work
because
the
buildings
are
not
all
the
same
and
it's
more
important
that
the
railing
style
works
with
the
building
and
whatever
is
approved
for
one
area.
If
other
railings
would
be
put
in
on
that
building.
That
should
be
the
standard.
E
A
Okay,
I
would
I'd
like
to
compliment
the
the
owner
and
the
architect
and
staff.
This
is
the
way
it
should
work,
the
back
and
forth.
You
know
the
explanation,
the
it
creates
an
understanding,
so
I
really
really
appreciate
your
responsiveness
as
well,
which
I
think
has
been
really
amazing.
It
doesn't
always
happen
quite
this
way,
as
mr
lyon
knows
so.
This
was
this,
and
this
dialogue
tonight
even
helps
us.
You
know
making
these
decisions
even
further.
A
I
have
some
a
few
comments
and
questions,
but
I'd
like
to
see
if
any
other
board
members
have
any
first
okay,
if
not,
then
the
establishment
of
a
subcommittee
on
the
hsb
to
review
these
various
items.
You
know
we
utilize
this
concept
on
the
oasis
building
and
it
really
worked
quite
well.
I'm
sorry,
mr
nelson.
D
I'd
like
to
be
on
the
subcommittee,
but
I
thought
you
might
raise
your
hand
yeah.
E
D
Have
a
couple
more
questions
and
comments
of
staff
whenever
the
timing
is
appropriate.
D
E
A
All
right,
but
it
really
worked
well
and
I
think
that's
I
like
the
idea
that
we're
going
down
that
route
in
reference
to
the
I
just
like
to
make
a
comment
here
regarding
the
interior,
special
effect
lighting
on
the
dance
floor
and
the
ceiling
lighting
to
avoid
glare
and
light
distractions.
A
I
think
we
learned
something
from
the
neighboring
tenet
down
the
way,
and
I
and
I
mean
this-
and
I
don't
mean
this
in
any
disparaging
way
at
all,
but
as
you
recall
that
the
lighting
has
been
a
concern
as
it
appears
from
the
street,
so
I
just
wanted
the
applicants
to
understand
kind
of
where
we're
coming
from
with
that
as
well,
because
it
really
does
affect,
I
think,
the
original
integrity
of
the
building.
A
So
I'm
glad
we're
talking
about
that.
I
have
a
question
of
staff
in
reference
to
the
landscaping,
and
this
is
just
a
question:
will
we
lose
the
symmetry
on
the
south
end
and
I
understand
totally
that
the
cacti
that's
there
from
an
operational
standpoint
is,
is
problematic.
A
B
Well,
I'm
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
again
with
you
and
use
that
image
to
answer
my
question
for
you:
okay,
can
you
see
this
now.
D
B
Yes,
I
would
make
the
strong
argument,
as
I
mentioned,
and
I
did
it
in
2015
and
I'm
doing
it
now.
This
fence,
post
cactus,
was
a
mistake
and,
as
you
see
the
way
that
it's
all
kind
of
in
a
helter
skelter
way
now
it
really
lacks
any
visual
sense
of
symmetry
yeah.
They
just
look
in
my
opinion
out
of
place,
so
I
think
that
what
this
project
has
the
opportunity
to
do
is
establish
a
new
landscape
palette
for
this
facade
that
perhaps
in
time
can
move
into
this
area
as
well.
A
That's
where
I
was
actually
going
with
the
question,
because
I
was
wondering
if
there's
a
way
that
I
know
we
can't
well.
All
we
could
do
is
request,
but
I
think
it
would
be
timely
to
have
that
request,
for
you
know
that
landscaping
on
the
south
end
to
be
redone,
because
it
it's
also
very
distracting
from
the
building
it
almost
takes
over.
It's
really
overpowering.
A
So
I
I
think
that
that
is
something
if
we
can
ask
as
a
separate
issue.
I
know
it
is
not
part
of
what
we're
going
to
be
approving
here,
but
I
would
appreciate
some
thought
about
that.
B
A
That's
that's
exactly
what
I
have
in
mind
that
I'd
like
to
propose,
and
my
other
question
is.
Our
comment
is
to
strengthen
the
request
to
restore
for
the
let's
see,
to
restore
those
improvements
like
with
the
rails,
railings
and
so
forth.
A
A
B
I
I
don't
off
the
top
of
my
head.
Remember
if
that
was
in.
I
can
certainly
do
a
quick
review.
I
believe
I
have
the
resolution
here
in
your
packet.
B
E
B
That
the
only
thing
I'm
seeing
here
this
is
in
your
packet
as
well.
It's
on
page
four
of
the
resolution.
It
says
all
future
modifications
of
the
existing
structures,
as
well
as
any
new
building,
shall
require
hspb
review
and
it's
not
required
for
portable
detached
or
non-habitable
structures.
B
I
don't
see
anything
that
is
requiring
restoration
of
these
kinds
of
details,
so
this
would
be
something
that
you
would
be
imposing
on
this
particular.
A
Well,
we
could,
you
know,
have
some
further
research
about
it
and
we
can
decide
whether
we
want
to
put
that
in
you
know,
as
part
of
the
conditions
or
not
we've
seen
other
situations
where
you
know
that
can
sometimes
be
an
issue.
Remember
nelson,
did
you
have
something
you'd
like
to
add.
D
Yeah,
going
back
to
the
question
of
what
is
required
of
the
tenant
as
opposed
to
what
is
required
of
the
owner.
D
One
of
my
questions
was
about
new
stairway
entry
rails
or
the
doors,
the
palm
canyon
doors
of
the
proposed
project.
I
know
they
want
to
add
two
new
doors
in
addition
to
the
ones
that
are
already
there.
D
F
I
think
that
one,
I
think
I
know
the
answer
to
so.
The
two
new
sets
of
doors
one
set
on
the
south
called
the
south
patio
and
the
other
on
the
north
patio.
Both
of
those
doors
are
being
put
into
place
because
the
patios
are
being
created
to
enclose
the
space
per
the
abc
requirements,
so
those
doors
other
than
on
the
one
side
having
access
through
the
ada
ramp
there.
F
Those
doors
are
gonna,
sit
inside
the
enclosed
space,
so
there
won't
be
a
need,
for
there
won't
be
a
need
to
add
additional
railings
to
access
those
doors
in
terms
of
out
of
ken.
If
we
can
scroll
to
the
you
know
to
the
north
a
little
bit,
though,
for
the
entry
that
we
will
have
that
is
open
to
the
public.
My
suggestion
is
is
that
we
will
be
doing
railings
that
match
bevmo's.
There's
no
reason
for
us
to
do
something
different.
So
we
do.
F
D
Thank
you,
obviously,
being
a
bar
dance
club
lounge.
My
concern
is,
you
know
for
the
patrons
who
may
be
stumbling
out
and
need
something
to
hang
on
to
so
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt.
Go
ahead.
F
G
Basically
it
both
the
south
and
the
north,
the
existing
doors
are
going
to
end
up
being.
Actually,
no,
that's
not
true,
so
there's
always
going
to
be
one
pair
of
doors
that
has
railings
just
like
in
front
of
bevmo,
and
the
other
pair
of
doors
will
be
into
what
would
become
patio
space,
so
there'll
be
an
abc
railing
blocking
the
stairs.
G
But
yes,
it
will
be
consistent
as
far
as
doors
that
you
can
get
to
from.
The
stairs
will
have
railings
and
they'll,
probably
all
end
up
being
the
same
along
the
whole.
B
A
D
Mr
nelson,
do
I
have
the
floor
great
well,
while
we're
on
the
topic
of
the
ada
and
the
ram
one
of
my
other
questions
had
to
do
with
the
access
of
the
handicap
from
the
parking
lot
to
the
front.
D
I
was
there
today
and
walked
it,
and
it's
a
very
long
way
for
somebody
with
a
walker
or
a
cane
or
even
a
wheelchair,
to
go
to
get
into
your
establishment,
and
I
was
wondering
because
the
parking
lot
there's
a
door
to
the
back
of
your
business
right
by
the
parking
lot
and
the
handicapped
places.
D
F
So
the
entrance
to
the
back,
I'm
from
a
from
a
business
perspective,
I'm
open
to
having
a
handicap
entrance
in
the
back.
The
push
and
pull
is
going
to
be
between
exactly
the
issue
that
you've
laid
out
of
having
someone
walk
around
that
distance
or
having
to
come
around
that
distance
and
the
potential
noise
issue.
F
The
backside
is
sort
of
the,
as
you
know,
is
the
more
sensitive
side
from
a
noise
perspective,
and
so
the
concern
is
that,
as
that
door
opens
during
business
hours
that
there
might
be
noise
that
emanates
from
the
back
of
the
building
and
disrupts
the
hotels
that
are
immediately
opposite
us
on
on
bellardo.
So
it's
it
is
a
possibility,
but
it
would
but
effectively.
F
We
would.
I
guess
it's
the
the
planning
commission
that
would
weigh
in
on
whether
or
not
we're
really
allowed
to
use
that
door
during
business
hours.
I
guess
I'm
open
to
it
if
somebody
had
a
concern
about
getting
to
the
front
of
the
building,
but
at
the
same
time
I
don't
want
to.
You
know
be
in
a
situation
where,
as
that
door
is
opening
and
closing
during
business
hours,
that
we're
disturbing
neighbors.
F
That
being
said
from
our
existing
business.
You
know,
I
know
the
volume
of
folks
who
are
coming
and
utilizing
the
ada
entrance
is
relatively
low
and
if
that's
something
that
the
neighborhood
could
live
with,
it
would
work
for
me.
But
that's
really
where
the
concern
lies.
D
Okay,
thank
you.
I
just
have
a
couple
more
observation,
questions,
probably
for
staff,
and
I
think
the
applicant
should
probably
hear
them.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
this
is
an
hspb
purview
issue,
but
I
would
like
to
think
it
here
my
understanding
that
the
designation
is
for
the
site,
which
is
the
parcel
which
would
include
the
perimeter
of
the
building
the
parking
lot
and
so
forth.
D
That's
around
the
parking
area
because
standing
there
today,
looking
at
it,
seems
like
there's
room
for
that
and
it
would
certainly
lessen
the
impact
that
is
felt
by
the
hotels
across
the
street
like
the
del
mar
goes
the
last
arena
villas,
which
of
course
have
that
rooftop
deck
and
the
entry
that
looks
out
onto
the
parking
lot.
You
can
see
right
now.
It
looks
like
it's
about
four
layers
or
four
courses
of
brick,
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
there's
a
possibility.
D
Clearly,
this
would
be
an
owner
improvement
that
the
owner
would
be
responsible
for,
but
I
was
just
thinking
you
know.
If
that
got
raised
one
or
two
layers,
I
don't
think
it
would
detract
from
the
viewing
of
the
building
and
it
might
actually
help
with
noise
reduction.
Now
those
texas
rangers
actually
look
like
they've
grown
in
a
bit,
but
you
know
maybe
a
hedge
would
be
one
keeping
depending
on
what
happened
with
the
fund.
D
So
that
was
just
an
idea
I
had
the
other
question
for
stuff
is
that
there
are
10
original,
can
lights
along
the
top
canopy
of
the
building
that
appear
to
be
missing,
and
they
were
the
original
historical
can
light
that
came
out
from
the
canopy,
and
today
I
noticed
10
of
them
were
gone,
including
some
that
would
have
been
in
front
of
or
around
this
project
and
just
wondering
if
those
can
lights
were
still
in
reserve
somewhere
or
if
the
owner
had
any
plans
to
replace
them.
D
B
I
can
ask
the
owner,
I
am
not
aware
of
what's
happened
with
them,
but
I
can
certainly
ask
the
owner
of
the
building.
If
he
knows
what's
happened
to
them.
A
My
last
comment
is
I'd
just
like
to
urge
the
subcommittee
in
working
with
the
tennis
that
this
is
a
repurposed
buildings
and
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
do
everything
we
can
to
understand
their
operational
needs
and
and
requirements,
as
you
have
those
reviews,
because
I
think
it's
it's
particularly
important
for
these
buildings
that
we,
when
you're
talking
about
buildings
that
have
been
repurposed
and
that
have
this
historic
significance,
and
it
certainly
is
wonderful
and
we
look
forward
to
having
that
entire
building.
A
Look
full
again.
So
I
really
really
appreciate
everybody's
comments
on
this
tonight
and
are
there
any
other
comments
or
questions
from
the
board?
A
Any
any
opposed
any
further
discussion,
mr.
B
Lyon,
could
you
also
identify
in
your
motion
who
the
subcommittee
would
be
yes
and
we
can
do
two
or
three
whatever
you
choose,
I,
I
can't
do
more
than
three,
because
we
cannot
have
a
quorum.
A
Right,
I
I
think,
actually
I'll
volunteer.
A
And
three
volunteers,
so
we
have
and
that
we
already
have
jade.
Thank
you.
Then
we
have
london,
miss
dixon
and
we
have
miss
up.
Thank
you.
So
we've
covered
that.
Okay,
that's
great!
So
I
time
to
take
a
vote
all
in
paper.
D
So
we
made
a
motion
in
a
second,
but
the
job
recommendation
was
to
grant
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
condition.
So
if
this,
the
time
to
stipulate
the
condition-
and
if
so,
what
are
they.
D
Well,
for
me,
I
think
you
know
what
I
heard
from
more
than
one
board.
Member
here
was
some
issue
with
the
design
of
the
railings,
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
somehow
clarify
with
this
motion
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
that
the
main
condition
be
the
design
of
the
railing.
D
So
it's
important
to
clarify
you
know
what
the
board
or
the
whole
field,
that
design
should
be
where
they
should
be
the
thin
thin
black
railing,
like
the
like
george
talked
about
that
kind
of
compliment
the
bevermouth
j-railing,
or
that
the
horizontal
steel
cable
with
staff
suggested
maybe
not
be
the
most
ideal
solution,
or
that
the
diamond
pattern
thing,
which
I
don't
agree
with.
So
I
think
we
need
to
clarify.
D
B
A
A
Yeah,
I
concur,
I
mean,
I
think
this
is
the
way
to
do
it,
these
kinds
of
details.
So
if
everyone
is
okay
with
that,
we
can
then
proceed
with
the
vote.
Is
that
okay
with
you,
mr
nelson?
Okay?
So
so
we
have
a
motion
and
we
have
a
second
hauling
paper
say
aye,
any
opposed.
B
I
just
want
to
say
you
to
the
applicants
on
this
particular
project.
You
can
certainly
head
on
if
you
would
like,
or
you
may
stay
and
continue
to
watch
the
meeting,
but
thank
you
for
your
involvement
tonight.
Much
appreciated.
A
Okay,
in
reference
to
the
upcoming
event,
just
a
few
items
to
cover
we've
reset
the
date
or
it's
going
live
to
april
24th
and
the
reason
we
did
that
as
a
subcommittee
is
the
modernism
week
in
april
is
11th
to
the
18th
and
we
figured
we
need
to
have
at
least
a
little
breather
before
our
event
is
goes
live.
A
So
the
next
item
is
presentation.
Recordings
are
in
process
for
the
23
individuals
involved
in
the
program,
and
I'm
going
to
ask
if
mr
lyon
would
please
send
out
actually
a
list
that
will
identify
the
programs,
but
also
it
will
show
you
how
we're
keeping
track
of
these
recordings.
A
That's
a
lot
of
folks
to
be
hurting.
So
anyway,
it's
coming
along.
We've
already
done
several
and
our
goal
is.
We
must
finish
this
in
february,
if
at
all
possible.
A
B
A
Exactly
so
we
we
can
get
back
to
you
in
a
written
communication
with
how
that's
going
to
how
that's
going
to
play
out
in
reference
to
the
marketing
of
the
event.
A
The
the
hubble's
are
actually
creating
a
what
they
call
a
sizzle
short
video
teaser
to
promote
the
event
which
will
be
used
for
those
we
are
contacting
to
help
us.
Do
the
promotion,
such
as
the
organizations
which
have
always
been
so
good
about
contributing
and
supporting
this
event
with
presenters
and
also
helping
us
promote.
A
A
This
is
in
2019
was
the
last
time
we
had
a
live
event
so
that
this
has
always
been
a
major
contributor
to
our
events
in
building
the
house
and
then
the
idea
is
to
then
we'd
have
to
follow
that
with
initial
announcement,
when
we
have
the
link
and
about
it
going
live,
and
then
we
do
a
follow-up,
a
couple
of
follow-up
e-blasts
later
as
reminders,
and
the
subcommittee
has
divided
up
the
23
different
sources
we've
identified.
A
C
A
Okay,
what
we've
done
this
year,
which
I
think
is
people
are
going
to
really
enjoy
linda,
is
that
there
are
basically
a
couple
of
sessions
and
they're
each
about
two
hours
length,
but
there's
also
going
to
be
a
way
that,
if
one
wanted
to,
I
don't
recommend
this,
of
course,
but
if
one
had
wanted
to,
they
could
pick
and
choose
on
the
topics
that
they're
interested
in,
so
that
the
viewer
has
a
lot
of
flexibility.
A
Our
desire,
of
course,
is
that
they
will
watch
the
whole
thing,
but
in
the
real
world,
when
it
comes
to
virtual,
we
built
it's
important
to
make
this
to
make
this
option.
A
No,
the
each
each
of
those
sessions
would
be
two
could
be
a
couple
of
hours.
A
A
Yeah
and
right
and
most
of
the
presentations
are
pretty
much
in
the
20
minute
category,
there's
just
in
the
30
and
and
several
in
the
15..
So
they're,
not
you
know
long
length,
lengthy
presentations,
one
of
the.
A
Of
doing
this,
virtually
there
are
many,
but
when
we're
doing
the
recordings
we
we
can
do
a
lot
of
editing
versus
if
it's
live,
it's
live.
So
that's
one
really
good
thing
and
I've
worked
on
the
on
the
hobos
with
a
couple
of
other
conferences
that
we've
done
for
the
architectural
alliance
and
really
getting
this
down
to
a
science.
So
I'm
really
excited
about.
I
think
you
all
will
be
too
and
I'm
anxious
for
you
to
get
the
program.
A
That's
one
of
our
questions.
That's
outstanding
that
we've,
given
that
mr
lyons
going
to
check
on
yeah
because-
and
I
think
there
probably
will
be
it's
an
important
one
for
us.
A
A
Okay,
so
I
will
finish
that
part
of
the
discussion
and
phi
b
is
the
hsbb
interview
questions,
so
mr
lyons
sent
those
out.
I
just
threw
out
15
that
only
to
stimulate
your
thought
processes
and
to
get
your
feedback
as
to
what
you
think
about
these
suggestions,
and,
please
add
more.
I
know
we
received
three
from
linda
today
and
the
idea
I
just
want
to
explain.
The
idea
behind
this
is.
A
These
are
only
recommended,
of
course,
to
the
city
council
that
are
going
to
be
doing
the
interviews,
because
we
just
thought
that
it
would
be.
They
would
be
interested
to
know.
We've
all
been
through
these
interviews,
some
of
us
more
than
once,
and
so
what
really
makes
up
a
good
board
member
you
know
what's
really
important
and
for
the
the
applicant
to
consider
as
well.
A
Sometimes
we
have
applicants
who
have
really
not
do
not
understand
really
what
the
board's
all
about
and
they've
not
really
thought
about
the
depth
of
the
commitment
or
if
this
is
the
right
fit.
So
that's
why
we've
designed
these
they're
purely
recommendations
to
the
to
the
to
the
council.
E
E
I've
had
various
applicants
actually
ask
me
where
they
were
in
the
queue
and
whatnot
and
I'm
I
keep
telling
them,
and
thank
you
very
much.
This
is
a
very
comprehensive
list
of
questions,
one
one
sort
of
a
side
that,
when
I
interviewed
whenever
it
was
a
year
or
two
ago,
one
of
the
interviewees
on
council
asked
me
about
a
specific.
E
Whether
I
wasn't
aware
of
it
or
whether
they
were
just
reflecting
it
incorrectly
or
whatnot,
but
it
sort
of
caught
me
off
guard.
So
you
know
I
like
these
more
generalized
questions
about
volunteer
work
about
organizations
where
you
volunteered,
where
you
know.
Where
were
your
members?
I
think
those
are
all
really
really
valid
points,
and-
and
this
is
a
very
good
extensive
list
to
start
with.
E
B
B
C
C
I
was
fortunate
enough
to
get
a
clue
from
an
expert
to
tell
me
before
my
interview
that
it
would
be
good
to
take
a
look
at
that.
So
I
was
informed
so
not
that
we're
putting
people
on
the
spot,
but
just
maybe
some
references
you
know
has
the
applicant
had
the
opportunity
to
review
or
glance
at
or
even
if
they're,
you
know
informed
about
those
standards
that
that
you
know
guide
us.
I
think
that's
very
important
question
to
somehow
ask.
D
Yeah,
so
those
are
all
great
observations.
I
agree
with
everyone.
One
thing
I
have
missed
on
our
board
is
not
having
the
resident
architect
like
we
had
on
our
last
board
and
I
think,
having
a
preservation
architect
on
the
board
was
really
a
wonderful,
meaningful
thing.
D
Now,
of
course,
there
are
people
in
the
community
we
can
reach
out
to
and
consult
with,
but
for
example,
when
I
was
visiting
the
robinsons
building
today,
I
thought
how
great
would
it
be
if
we
were
having
a
site
visit
here
with
a
local
preservation
architect
so
that
they
could
help
us?
You
know
in
figuring
out
the
right
things
to
ask
and
the
approach
to
take
with
granting
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
A
So
if
you
have
any
recommendations
to
those
in
the
community
that
have
that
background
in
architecture,
I
think
the
balance
is
super
important
and
there
are
so
many
times
when
those
subtle
details
that
an
architect's
going
to
pick
up
that
maybe
the
rest
of
us
would
not
pick
it
up.
So
it'd
really
be
a
nice
balance
to
be
able
to
do
that,
and
I
I
encourage
you
and
any
of
the
other
board
members
to
think
about
any
candidates.
A
I've
had
a
couple
that
I've
been
sort
of
having
a
discussion
with
as
well
that
would
fit
that
bill.
So
please
please
proceed
on
that.
I
appreciate
it
very
much.
A
Okay
and
back
to
member
huff's
suggestion
about
having
the
questions
available
to
the
potential
candidates
in
ahead
of
time.
Can
I
get
a
an
idea
from
the
other
members
because
I
think
it's
a
very
interesting
point
and
it
and
it
tends
to
narrow
down
the
other
thing
that
does
it?
I
think
it
will
tend
to
narrow
down
certain.
You
know
people
I
mean
you
would
be
apollos,
sometimes
so
I'd
just
like
to
you
know.
A
Can
we
just
take
a
rough
idea
as
to
how
the
rest
of
the
board
members
feel
about
that
being
publicized
in
advance
of
their
interview,
and
then
it
probably
would
have
to
ask
counsel
as
well.
I
would
imagine
mr
correct
mr
lyon,
yes
yeah,
so
it
would
be
a
matter
of
a
recommendation
form.
So
let
me
ask
it
this
way:
does
anybody
have
any
objections
of
taking
that
course.
C
A
That's
what
that's,
what
catherine
had
been?
That's
what
she
had
suggested
and
I
just
wanted
to
get
the
feeling
of
the
rest
of
the
board.
You
know
how
you
all
feel
about
that
and
just
see
if
there's
any,
you
know
any
adverse
things
that
we
haven't
thought
about.
If
we
do
that.
C
Just
just
a
little
bit
just
a
little
bit
of
clarification,
I
I
hadn't
implied
that
every
question
would
be
presented
in
advance,
not
every
question
I
was
just
I
mean
when
an
applicant,
you
know
there
there's
that
questionnaire,
that
they
fill
out
when
they
apply
that
that
answers.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
question
says
you
know:
have
you
read
the
city
ordinance?
C
Do
you
know
the
purpose
of
of
the
the
the
mission
and
and
all
that
I
just
thought
somewhere
along
the
line
of
either
during
enter
in
interview
or
in
any
preparation,
or
to
just
mention
that
it
would
be
valuable
to
review
the
secretary
of
interior
standards?
C
You
know,
and
I
don't
I
that's
just
it
could
be
a
question
you
know
on
the
spot,
but
it
might
be
nice
to
when
an
interview
is
scheduled
to
suggest
that,
along
with
you
know
the
ordinance
and
and
other
things
that
that
applicant,
you
know
should
read
before
they
come
for
an
interview.
I
don't
know,
can
lyon
what
what
do
you?
What
do
you
think
along
those
lines.
B
Well,
I
I
think,
having
some,
I
mean
the
questionnaire
that
they
fill
out
when
they
make
their
application.
B
As
some
general
questions,
you
know,
maybe
part
of
what
you
might
encourage
in
your
suggestion
to
the
council
is
maybe
one
or
two
of
your
proposed
questions
actually
get
incorporated
into
that
questionnaire
application,
perhaps
so
that
as
you're
suggesting
member
huff
that
an
applicant
comes
in,
perhaps
a
bit
better.
B
E
D
Yeah,
so
I
think
I
would
agree
with
catherine
that
you
definitely
want
to
have
questions
upfront
that
they
fill
out
the
answers
to
a
questionnaire,
but
I
think
what
might
be
helpful
is,
if
you
add
to
your
list,
I
think
they
saw
15
on
there.
So
far,
maybe
you
know
make
a
list
of
20
and
then
maybe
from
that
20
select
the
five
or
seven
that
they
fill
out
on
the
questionnaire
and
then
pick
another
five
that
they'll
be
asked
by
their
interviewees,
and
you
know
example,
one
of
those
could
be.
D
Could
you
tell
us
two
of
the
secretary
of
interior
criteria?
Out
of
you
know,
seven,
I
believe
there
are
you
know
you
know,
could
you
name
two
of
them
like
integrity,
obviously
being
one
of
them,
so
you
know
just
because
it
kind
of
puts
them
on
the
spot,
but
that's
something
they
really
should
know.
If
they're
willing
to
be
appointed
to
the
board,
you
see
what
I'm
saying.
C
C
C
Yeah,
no,
so
so
just
re
rephrasing,
maybe
one
of
the
questions
could
be
dear
applicant.
Have
you
had
the
opportunity
to
review,
or
are
you
informed
about
the
document
that
the
secretary
of
interior
has
published?
That's
on
the
standards
for
historic
properties?
Are
you
familiar
with
that
document,
or
is
that
something
you
would
need
to
study.
A
A
C
A
E
A
D
Yeah,
so
bear
with
me
here
this
extra
time
makes
up
for
the
fact
that
we
didn't
have
a
meeting
last
month.
So
I
have
some
comments
for
staff
and
the
first
one
being.
D
I
know
this
is
common
knowledge,
but
I
think
it
bears
repeating
here
that
the
condition
of
the
front
of
the
robinson
building
is
a
disgrace,
a
bad
reflection
not
only
on
the
city
but
on
the
historic
side
preservation.
But
I
get
people
telling
me
all
the
time.
Why
does
that
building?
Look
so
bad?
Why
are
the
homeless
people
there?
Why
is
there
a
human
excrement
on
the
wall?
Why
is
there
this
than
that?
D
D
Is
you
know
so
many
things
and
when
people
comment
to
me
about
it
or
complain
about
it,
I
I
don't
know
what
the
fact
and
I
think
that,
if
prudent
for
our
board
with
putting
self-help
to
figure
out
how
and
if
there
is
any
way
we
can
mitigate,
you
know
the
conditions
that
are
caused
by
you-
know
homeless
people
and
encampments
and
and
loiterers
and
so
forth,
because
it's
just
absolutely
truly
disgusting.
D
So
it
had
to
be
sad,
but
I'm
putting
that
out
there
on
that
note
related
is
the
bus
stop?
It
seems
that
homeless
people
are
linked
to
bus
stops
and
the
one
in
front
of
this
building
is
directly
in
front
of
the
center
of
the
proposed
new
project,
and
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
bad
thing,
no
matter
how
you
slice
it
past
present
or
future
a
bus
stop.
D
There
is
never
going
to
be
an
enhancement
for
that
building
and
I
would
love
to
see
if
there's
some
way
the
city
could
check
to
see
if
it
could
get
moved.
Is
it
something
the
city
could
initiate
that
we
could
initiate
that
the
owner
could
initiate?
What
are
the
steps
needed?
I
would
think
as
a
classroom
site-
and
you
know
something
being
in
front
of
classroom
site-
that
we
should
be
able
to
have
some
ability
or
say
or
part
in
the
process
of
getting
a
bus,
stop
moved,
I
think,
would
be
to
everyone's
benefit.
D
Next
thing
is
a
list
of
things
for
ken
to
share
with
the
planning
commission
or
I'm
not
sure
I
don't.
I
didn't
know
where
else
to
bring
this
up
or
how
to
say
it,
but
there
are
three
things.
I
noticed
that
I
thought
should
be
brought
up
so
there's
something
I
should
vocalize
now.
Should
I
email
them
to
ken
that
the
planning
commission
need
to
address,
because
I'm
not
sure
if
they'll
see
them
when
they
visit
the
fight
or
if
they
have
time
to
visit
the
site
before
they
have
their
hearing.
B
Relevant
to
the
project
that
you
heard
today,
if
you
would
like
to
forward
them
to
me
when
this
gets
ready
to
go
to
planning
commission,
it
would
be
handled
as
a
piece
of
public
comment.
D
B
So
you
could
either
handle
them
to
me
or
when
that
item
goes
to
the
planning
commission,
it
will
be
a
conditional
use
permit,
as
well
as
the
major
or
a
minor
architectural,
and
as
such
there
will
be
the
opportunity
for
public
comment
to
be
given.
So
you
may
either
give
those
comments
to
me
anytime.
You
want,
prior
to
that
hearing
or
when
the
hearing
gets
listed
on
the
agendas
for
on
the
city
website.
B
D
Wonderful,
I
will
send
them
to
you,
and
one
last
thing
is
really
just
an
observation
or
a
comment
that
I
thought
would
be
kind
of
fun
or
cool
if
it
could
be
implemented
in
front
of
the
project
or
in
front
of
this
building
the
robinson
building.
There
are
three
city-owned
light
posts
or
light
fixtures
like
they
have
all
up
and
down
from
canyon
drive
and
typically
from
those
light
posts,
they
hang
banners,
there's
different
banners
like
modernism.
D
We
test
banners
where
the
students
and
the
local
schools
do
christmas
designs
and
they
hang
them
there,
or
sometimes
they're
banners
for
uptown
or
downtown
or
whatever.
But
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
those
three
light
posts
had
banners
that
talked
about
the
history
of
the
robinson
building,
one
of
them
could
be
all
about
pariah
and
luckman.
It
could
be
like
a
little
biography,
another
one
could
be
all
about
robinson's
and
the
fact
that
that
whole
block
was
the
high-end
shopping
block.
D
D
So
that
was
just
an
idea
that
would
be
a
great
way
to
bring
attention
to.
You
know
the
building
and
the
historic
flight
preservation
board
and
all
that.
So
that
concludes
everything
I
need
to
say.
A
That's
great
thanks,
jade.
These
are
very,
very
interesting
ideas
coming
forth.
I'm
really
glad
to
see
this
happening.
Remember.
How
did
you
raise
your
hand.
C
Yes,
uh-huh!
Well
I
you
know
I've
received
a
few
questions
from
colleagues
in
in
the
area
asking
me
about
this
issue,
and
so
I
thought
I
might
bring
it
just
as
a
casual
comment.
You
know
there
are
the
neon
painted
art
benches.
You
know
that
have
been
placed
around
the
city
and,
if
they're
placed
in
front
of
historic
designated
sites,
is
that
something
that
we
should
be
taking
a
look
at
or
reviewing?
C
I
know
it's
temporary,
but
I
I
was
asked
about
in
front
of
city
hall.
You
know
the
the
neon
painted
art
benches
that
were
placed
right
in
front
of
city
hall,
so
I
don't
know
exactly
how
to
respond.
A
Okay,
catherine
interesting,
that's
top
of
my
list
on
my
board
comments
to
talk
about
to
give
you
an
update,
which
I
think
you'll
be
very
pleased.
I
think
the
whole
board
will
be
very
pleased
about.
A
So
I
want
to
express
my
appreciation
to
ann
shepherd,
the
chair
of
the
public
arts,
commission
or
the
responsiveness
to
the
hsbb
concerning
installation
at
city
hall.
A
So
a
list
was
prepared
of
the
10
properties
that
are
owned
by
the
city
and
that
were
set
to
to
am
to
be
taken
into
consideration
for
future
installations
and
then
so
what
happened
is
katherine
and
I
I
mean
hannah
and
I
then
had
a
very
cordial
conversation
about
this
issue
and
their
arts
commission
is
very
sensitive
about
what
we
have
brought
forth.
A
So
I
think
that
there
is
we've
been
assured
that
those
particularly
the
traffic
receptacles
and
the
inches
in
front
of
city
hall,
some
of
them
have
already
been
removed
and
the
remaining
ones
will
be
removed
as
well.
A
So,
in
my
conversation
with
ann,
I
also
made
mention
that
the
same
is
true
for
those
designated
landmark
class,
one
and
structure
of
merit,
class
ii,
properties
of
private
owners,
so
those
that
are
designated.
We
need
to
be
a
lot
of
sensitivity
about
what
goes
anywhere.
A
You
know
that
that
can
be
construed
as
part
of
the
building.
So
I've
been
assured
about
this
and
it's,
I
think,
you're
going
to
see
some
action.
A
So
this
will
give
you
now
some
information
when
you're
getting
those
requests,
which
I
know
I've
received
numerous
ones
myself
and
just
as
an
fyi,
so
that
everybody's
getting
kept
in
the
loop
here,
there's
an
interest
in
the
airport
commission
to
add
art
installations,
and
so
I
reached
out
to
ken
to
confirm
that
the
hsb
has
curb
view
of
the
absurd
facade
only
because
that's
what's
specified
in
the
designation
so
that
the
normally
you
know
for
city-owned
properties,
the
hsbb
has
purview
of
the
interiors
or
but
the
airport
is
an
exception
to
the
language
in
the
designation,
only
only
designates
the
exterior
architecture.
A
So
I
thought
this
would
be
good
for
you
to
know
in
the
event
to
hear
from
the
public
and
any
thought
in
my
discussions
with
ann
again
the
attention
that
they
will
give
to
any
art
installations.
There
will
not
be
on
the
exterior
going
forward,
but
will
be
on
the
interior
and
even
on
the
interior.
What
they
are
thinking
of
is
you
know
that
grassy
area
after
you
leave
security
before
you
head
to
your
gates,
that
that
is
most
likely
where
there
would
be.
You
know,
part
installed.
A
A
So
any
other
discussion
about
that.
I
think
that
should
clarify
just
about
everything
coming
down
the
pipe.
My
last
item
is
to
we
established
the
subcommittee
to
review
the
furnishings,
so
we're
good
on
that,
and
I
think
that
will
be
the
end
of
my
report
for
comments.
So
any
other
word
comments.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
There's
two
things
I
just
want
to
bring
up.
Maybe
three,
maybe
four:
I
don't
know
whenever
you
see
something
around
the
city,
whether
it's
a
historic
site
or
some
other,
where
there
is
damage
decay,
lack
of
maintenance,
the
problems
of
the
nature
that
member
nelson
brought
up.
Remember
always
that
there
is
a
code
enforcement
link
on
the
city
website.
B
So,
as
the
old
cliche
goes,
if
you
see
something
say
something
use
that
code
enforcement
link
on
the
city's
website
to
help
inform
code
enforcement
when
there
is
a
problem
out
there.
I
know
from
casual
conversations
I've
had
with
mr
hall,
who
owns
the
robinsons
building
that
the
maintenance
problem
out
there
as
a
result
of
homeless
people
has
been
a
nightmare
for
him
and
I'm
sure
that
he
would
love
to
do
nothing
more
than
have
somebody
out
there
continuously
cleaning,
but
it
it
is
a
problem.
B
It's
a
problem
everywhere
and
the
the
best
advice
I
can
offer
all
of
you,
including
the
public,
is,
if
you
see
something.
Please
use
the
code
enforcement
link
on
the
city's
website
to
report
it
so
that
code
enforcement
has
an
opportunity
to
follow
up
with
the
property
owner
or
if
it's
in
a
an
area
such
as
a
bus,
shelter
if
there's
graffiti
or
damage
or
vandalism,
they
can
communicate
that
on
to
sun
line.
B
So
that's
one
thing
I
wanted
to
mention:
you
know
there's
no
way
that
the
city
or
even
building
owners
can
see
everything.
So
that's
an
appreciated
effort
to
do
the
second
thing
I
want
to
just
clarify
a
couple
of
things,
one
of
which
was
the
topic
that
mr
marshall
brought
up
during
public
comment.
B
As
you
know,
the
city's
historic
preservation
ordinance
has
been
amended
a
couple
of
times
in
the
past
two
years,
and
one
of
the
amendments
was
that
if
it
is
a
private
submission
for
a
private
parcel
that
it
requires
owner
consent
or
that
there's
an
owner
representative
who
is
representing
the
owner
and
making
that
submission
for
a
historic
designation.
B
So
if
there
is
a
third
party
who
is
interested
in
having
a
building
nominated
or
an
application
submitted,
we
encourage
them
to
work
with
the
building
owner
to
seek
their
consent
to
make
that
submission,
and
you
will
see
in
your
applications.
B
If
you
recall
every
year,
I
work
with
you
to
put
together
a
list
of
usually
about
six
sites
that,
as
time
permits
and
staff
resources
become
available,
that
we
forward
those
and
advance
them
through
the
historic
designation
process
from
time
to
time.
B
B
So
they
know
the
process
has
begun
and
they
can
either
communicate
their
support
for
the
proposed
designation
or
their
opposition
of
it.
So
I
just
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that.
The
second
thing
that
I
want
to
make
you
remind
you
of
is
there
is
the
class
three
list
which
is
identified
as
potentially
eligible
that
list,
as
you
know,
was
originally
created
in
2015-2018
by
a
consultant
who
did
a
city-wide
survey
and
identified
those
sites
which
they
felt
had
potential
historic
significance.
B
They
also
identified
areas
around
town
where
there
was
a
collection
of
like
resources
that
could
potentially
identify
as
a
historic
district.
Those
kinds
of
parcels
are
also
in
the
class
3
list.
Let's
say
somebody
sees
a
building
or
becomes
aware
of
a
building
that
isn't
on
the
list,
but
that
may
have
some
significant
potential
to
be
considered.
B
Those
can
be
brought
into
the
class
3
list
by
means
of
the
department
of
natural
resources,
dpr,
I'm
sorry,
department
of
parks
and
rec
forms
what
are
called
the
dpr
forms
and
that's
identified
in
our
ordinance
as
a
means
of
bringing
those
kinds
of
candidate
sites
into
consideration.
B
One
of
the
buildings
that
is
out
there
that
came
to
our
attention
that
was
not
on
the
list,
is
the
old
saks
fifth
avenue,
building
by
walton
beckett
on
the
corner
of
palm
canyon
and
ramone,
and
we
identified
that
as
being
potentially
eligible,
and
so
that
was
shifted
over
to
the
class
iii
list.
So
I
just
want
to
remind
the
board:
that's
the
mechanism
that
we
have
available
to
us
and
to
you
for
sites
to
be
considered
for
addition
to
the
class
three
lists.
Okay,.
B
That
concludes
my
comments.
I
want
to
commend
the
board.
I
think
your
work
today
was
thoughtful
and
deliberate,
and
I
just
I
want
to
commend
you
on
the
good
work
that
you
did
today.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
and
I'd
just
like
to
add
to
that.
The
synergy
within
this
board
is
really
quite
powerful
and
you
can
read
it
and
we're
getting
a
lot
of
good
work
done
so
kudos
to
all
the
rest
of
you.
Mr
nelson,
did
you
have
one
more
item.
D
Yeah,
it's
just
a
follow-up
to
what
ken
was
saying
about
class,
3
and
designation.
So
I
think
I
know
the
answer.
But
my
question
is
twofold
and
the
question
is:
can
a
private
property
owner
around
the
house
approach
an
hrp
board
member
about
writing
a
nomination
for
the
house
and
then
having
it
heard
by
the
issue
to
be
for
recommendation
to
counsel?
D
D
B
I
think
they
can.
I
would
like
to
get
clarification
from
the
city
attorney.
Okay,
the
question
that
comes
into
my
mind
is
whether
that
particular
board
member
would
need
to
recuse
themselves
when
that
item
came
to
the
public
hearing
before
the
agent
I'll
try
to
speak
with
the
city
attorney
and
get
clarification
on
your
question.
D
Okay,
so,
and
as
far
as
not
being
on
a
class
three
list,
you
know
the.
If
the
property
met
enough
of
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards,
then
there
shouldn't
be
a
problem
with
bringing
forth
the
nomination
correct.
B
D
You
don't
okay,
great,
you,
you've
helped
me.
So
thank
you
for
that
clarification,
and
it's
always
been
my
understanding
that,
in
the
past,
hspb
members
were
encouraged
to
write
nominations
so
I'll,
be
very
interested
to
hear
what
you
hear
back
from
the
city
attorney.
D
A
Okay,
that
does
that
conclude.
All
other
board
comments.
If
so,
it's
time
for
adjournment,
so
the
historic
site
preservation
board
will
adjourn
to
its
regularly
scheduled
meeting
on
tuesday
march,
the
2nd
2021
at
5
30pm
via
zoom,
so
stay
well.
Until
then-
and
I
will
see
you
in
one
month-
bye
bye,
thank.