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From YouTube: HSPB Meeting | Sep 6 2022
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Meeting of the Palm Springs Historical Site Preservation Board, held September 6th, 2022
A
A
Welcome
it's
about
5,
35.
A
D
A
Okay,
may
I
please
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
agenda
motion.
Please
I'll
move
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
eric
roosev
and
a
second
by
jade
nelson.
A
E
A
So
at
this
time,
we'd
like
to
acknowledge
and
thank
two
former
board
members
for
their
dedicated
work
while
serving
on
the
historic
side,
preservation
board
and
those
two
wonderful
members
are
dan,
kaiser
and
stephen
rose,
and
I
see
dan
kaiser's
very
friendly,
dignified
faith
consume
as
usual
and
and
dan
served
on
the
board
for
how
how
many
years
dan
I
lost
track.
F
I
took
over
the
spot
that
james
williamson
had
on
the
board
at
that
time,
and
I
did
it
because
jeff
convinced
me
to
do
it
because
oles
thomas
wanted
representation
needed
representation,
it's
been
a
wild
ride
and
after
six
years
the
city
has
moved
on
and
I
am
also
ready
to
move
on.
I
am
president
of
the
oldest
thomas
neighborhood
organization
board
again,
and
I
am
now
consultant
to
the
o'donnell
club
board
and
doing
a
few
other
things
around
town.
F
F
You're
the
best
jade
you're,
the
best
can
you've
done
it
all.
You
know
took
it
from
being
roxanne
plost
to
where
it
is
today
I
don't
mean
to
disparage
her,
but
it
was
just
a
different
world
at
that
time
and
in
all
those
promise,
that's
when
jackie
audrey
helped
sway.
You
know-
and
it's
an
entirely
different
world
now
and
it's
good
to
have
been
through
it
and
to
have
seen
it
and
you'll
always
be
my
friends
and
thank
you
for
this
opportunity
and
now
I'm
going
to
leave.
B
F
A
Well
well,
thank
you,
dan
and
and
I'll
call
on
you
for
some
advice,
because
you
were
a
wonderful,
dedicated
member
that
always
did
your
homework
and
attributed
wonderful
comments
and
questions
to
the
board
and,
of
course,
helping
with
the
organization
of
the
symposium,
with
the
with
the
tourist
great
league,
enhanced
that
program
so
tremendously.
A
So
I'm
I
thank
you
dan
and
we'll
be
seeing
you
around
town
quite
a
bit.
F
You
will,
and
if
you
want
to
talk
about
tours,
there's
other
information
from
modernism
week,
which
I
won't
share
with
you
right
now,
because
that's
a
separate
thing
and
I'm
not
really
involved
with
modernism
week.
But
it's
the
same
thing,
I'm
being
this
tapped
for
that
after
that,
because
I've
done
this
for
so
long
I
mean
in
new
york.
Six
years
is
not
long.
It
takes
a
lifetime
in
palm
springs.
Six
years
is
a
lifetime
all
right.
A
A
A
Speaking
of
new
york,
so
you've
moved
to
new
york.
I
hear
I.
A
Well,
we
thank
you,
stephen
for
for
your
dedication
and
your
participation.
A
You
are
always
very
thoughtful
about
every
project
that
you
reviewed
and
commented
about
and
got
us
really
thanking
and
stimulating
a
lot
of
conversation,
and
we
really
appreciate
your
participation
and
we
will
miss
you,
but
you
will
come
visit.
Won't
you.
F
Yes,
I'm
actually
going
to
be
keeping
my
house
through
modernism
of
this
coming
year,
but
you
know
I'm
just
not
there
enough.
I'm
only
going
to
be
there
three
or
four
months,
maybe
out
of
the
year-
and
I
just
I
feel,
like
you
know
the
board
members
should,
you
know,
attend
all
the
attend,
all
the
tours
of
the
houses,
we're
considering
and
everything,
and
I
I
don't
want
to
be
a
person
who's
phoning
it
in
so
anyway,
I've
loved
it.
F
I
think
you
guys
are
awesome
of
all
the
things
I've
ever
been
involved
in.
I
think
you
guys
really
do
the
work
and
you
do
it
beautifully
and
you're
thoughtful
catherine
you're,
amazing
and
ken
you
are
one
of
the
greats
of
all
time.
I
mean,
I
think,
your
sincerity,
your
concern,
your
true
passion
for
what
you
do
is
just
unmatched.
B
A
F
Thank
you
guys,
and
I
will
see
you
around
the
playground.
B
And
madam
chair,
I
also
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity
to
again
just
formally
introduce
our
new
planning
director
christopher
hadwin
christopher.
Do
you
want
to
give
a
little
background
on
yourself.
C
Sure,
well,
it's
interesting.
I
actually
just
moved
here
from
new
york,
but
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
here.
So
I
was
the
staten
island
borough
director
for
the
new
york
city
department
of
city
planning
for
the
last
five
years
before
that
I
was
doing
planning
in
canada.
C
I
was
also
doing
canada,
sorry,
land
use
and
aboriginal
land
claim
negotiations
for
the
government
of
ontario.
So
I
have
a
little
bit
of
experience
with
some
of
those
issues
that
we
deal
with
here
in
palm
springs,
but
I'm
very
excited
to
be
here.
You
know
big
move
but
and
a
hot
time
to
be
relocating
here,
but
there's
so
much
really
excellent
planning
work
here,
and
I
really
appreciate
the
service
of
all
of
you
on
the
board
and
the
work
that
you
do
and
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
working
together.
C
You
know
to
make
palm
springs
to
keep
palm
springs.
The
wonderful
place
that
it
is
so
happy
to
be
here
and
look
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you
good.
A
Thank
you
and,
on
behalf
of
of
our
board,
we
send
you
a
very
warm
welcome
and
look
forward
to
getting
to
to
know
you.
So
thank
you
so
much
for
for
for
moving
to
palm
springs
in
the
summer.
My
goodness
you
get
an
award
to
start
with.
A
So
okay,
next
is
the
is
the
public
comment,
and
this
is
time
that's
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
preservation
board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter,
jurisdiction
of
the
board
and
although
the
historic
site,
preservation
board
values
all
of
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
browned
act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
agenda,
so
we
have
about
three
minutes
signed
for
each
speaker.
A
B
No,
madam
chair,
we
have
not
received
any
requests
to
speak.
I
see
we
have
some
guests
here
in
the
call
with
us.
If
there's
anybody
here
in
the
call
who
is
wishing
to
speak
during
public
comment,
in
other
words
a
general
matter
of
material
dealing
with
the
hspb,
please
unmute
yourself
now
and
if
you
can
turn
your
camera
on
and
we
can
see
you
and
let
you
have
your
moment
to
speak,
you
will
have
three
minutes.
Anybody
here
wishing
to
speak.
A
Okay,
so
seeing
no
speakers,
we
will
proceed
to
the
consent
agenda,
which
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
Are
there
any
revisions
to
the
minutes
of
the
meeting
of
july
5th
2022.
D
Just
a
couple
small
things
under
item
3a,
the
third
paragraph,
my
last
name
is
spelled
with
an
o
and
not
an
e.
D
And
then
on
same
page
at
the
bottom,
where
it
says,
member
hanson
also
spelled
wrong
opine
that
the
statuary
doesn't
need
to
be
found
to
be
historic.
I
think
I
I
believe
I
said
to
be
individually
historically
significant.
A
Yes,
any
other
corrections
to
the
minutes.
May
I
have
a
motion
to
approve
the
minutes
of
july
5th
with
those
corrections
that
were
just
named
motion.
Please
motion.
A
Okay,
is
there,
is
there
a
second
okay?
Okay?
So
so
the
motion
was
made
by
mr
miller
and
seconded
by
member
hanson.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
about
the
minutes?
A
So
any
opposed
okay
vote
passes
five
to
zero.
Okay.
Next,
we
move
on
the
agenda.
There
are
no
public
hearings
today.
So
let
us
proceed
to
agenda
item
3a,
which
is
unfinished
business.
A
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report
at
the
june
7th
meeting,
the
hspb
considered
this
application
at
a
public
hearing
staff
had
advised
at
that
time
that
we
were
unable
to
make
the
criteria
findings
necessary
to
make
a
recommendation.
B
However,
the
board
did
find
that
the
application
did
meet
the
criterion
c
and
f,
and
so
we
brought
back
to
you
in
july
a
draft
resolution
reflecting
that.
However,
I
did
not
capture
it
correctly,
and
so
I
solicited
member
hanson's
help
and
she
did
the
major
lifting
on
this
current
draft
resolution
for
your
consideration
and
then
just
under
the
conditions
on
this
particular
resolution.
B
As
we
did
know
prior
to
this,
going
to
the
city
council
I'll
work
with
the
applicant
to
develop
their
design
guidelines
and
then
the
regular
conditions,
of
course
apply.
E
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
make
an
observation
that
in
the
july
meeting
I
had
asked
for
a
consideration
of
those
light
fixtures
which
do
remain
at
villaroma
that
have
been
identified
as
original
be
listed
as
contributing
features
and
or
correctly
defining,
whichever
category
is
more
appropriate
and
so
on
page
three
of
six
of
the
current
staff
report
or
memorandum.
E
Any
of
the
like
fixtures,
nor
do
I
see
it
in
section
three,
so
if
we
could
add
those
original
light
fixtures
which
do
remain
in
the
appropriate
category,
I
believe
there's
something
that
was
talked
about
at
once
over
two
different
meetings.
B
Yes,
it
appears-
and
I
did
not
pick
that
up
it's
a
little
awkward
for
us
here,
but
let's
do
this
as
an
informal
vote.
Does
the
if
the
board
concurs
with
the
adding
of
the
original
light
fixtures
that
can
be
identified
as
such
being
added
to
the
character
divine
features?
Would
you
please,
madam
chair,
take
a
vote
on
that
for
us
by
roll
call
and
we'll
get
this
taken
care
of.
E
E
A
Much
I
do
remember
that
yeah
vice
chair
nelson,
so
are
there
any
other
questions
or
comments
at
this
time,
any
others.
Okay,
vice
chair
nelson.
E
Yeah,
just
a
quick
comment
to
thank
staff
member
lion
for
all
these
patients
with
this
and
for
working
with
member
hanson
and
the
board
to
come
to
a
mutual
understanding
and
resolution
that
I
think
we
can
all
be
proud
of.
A
Yes,
yes,
and
I
would
like
to
join
with
that
comment
that
you,
you
guys,
worked
really
hard
to
to
to
clarify
all
the
issues
that
were
kind
of
confusing
all
the
layers,
all
the
discussions.
A
We
all
worked
very
hard
and
we
thank
you
all
members
of
our
board
and
and
ken,
and
especially
janet
hansen
in
getting
those
issues
refined
and
clarified
so
that
we
all
could
agree,
and
so
thank
you
very
much
so
so.
May
I
have
saying
no
further
comments.
May
I
have
a
motion
please.
A
Okay,
so
I
have
a
motion
by
by
member
hanson.
Is
there
a
second
okay
remember,
member
hanson
has
made
the
motion
vice
chair.
Nelson
has
seconded
the
motion.
Are
there
any
further
discussions?
I.
B
A
A
Any
opposed
or
absentions
any
obsession.
I
believe
that
that
mem,
that's
yeah,
abstain,
yeah,
okay,
so
so
we
have
the
motion
approved
four
to
zero,
with
one
abstention,
so
that's
passed,
thank
goodness
and
thanks
to
all
and
and
to
our
members
of
the
villa,
thank
you
for
for
your
dedicated
work
on
your
project
too.
We
appreciate
that
so
very
much.
B
And
just
for
the
board's
understanding,
I
don't
have
this
agendized
yet
for
the
city
council,
it
will
be
dependent
on
our
ability
to
get
the
design
guidelines
put
together
prior
to
their
meeting.
But
as
soon
as
we
do
have
those
dates
affirmed
I'll,
be
communicating
that
to
you.
A
Thank
you.
So
let
us
proceed
to
new
business
agenda
item
4a,
robin
and
hilton
howell,
who
our
owners
requesting
approval
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
alterations
to
invernada
a
class
one
historic
site
located
at
657
north
via
mirror
list.
May
we
please
have
the
staff
report.
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Well,
seldom
do
we
have
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
staff
report
that
is
unfortunately
as
lengthy
as
this
one
became,
but
this
is
no
simple
certificate
of
appropriateness.
This
is
a
rather
extraordinary
restoration
of
an
equally
extraordinary
house
within
the
collection
of
historic
properties
here
in
palm
springs.
B
So,
mr
mrs
hilton,
I'm
sorry,
mr
mrs
howell
did
take
possession
of
the
house
this
year.
The
house
had
been
known
previously
for
several
decades
and
was
very
well
lived
in
at
the
time
that
the
owls
bought
the
property.
B
In
vernata,
very
briefly,
was
built
in
1931,
it's
credited
to
the
architecture
of
william
charles
tanner
or
the
architectural
designer
george
hi-ho
was
the
original
owner.
Who
has
it
was
a
person
of
significance
as
a
significant
industrialist
out
of
the
detroit
area
and
the
second
owners,
the
lewis's
particular
myrtle
or
tilly
lewis.
Her
claim
to
fame
was
the
creation
of
the
the
roma
tomato
right,
I
think,
is
what
it
was.
B
So
we
have
in
your
packet
a
couple
of
pieces
of
information
that
articulate
what
this
project
is
about
and
you
will
have
found
you
have
a
historic
landscape
survey
that
looks
like
this
and
you
have
a
11
by
17
set
that
looks
like
this
and
then
I
believe
you
also
have
in
your
packet
a
very
interesting
forensic
study
for
lack
of
a
better
word
of
the
roofing
on
this
building.
So
let's
go
into
this
quickly,
I
don't
want
to
run
through
the
whole
thing,
but
I
want
to
pick
up
some
highlights.
B
The
as
I've
mentioned,
the
staff
report-
this
is
one
of
the
very
earliest-
was
actually
the
earliest
application
that
I
processed
back.
When
I
first
came
to
the
city,
and
at
that
time
we
were
much
less
articulate
in
defining
the
important
characteristics
and
other
factors,
and
so
in
your
staff
report
on
page
four
and
five
are
what
we
have
identified
as
the
character
defining
features
of
this
property.
B
The
in
the
accompanying.
I
just
want
to
make
a
footnote
of
this
in
the
accompanying
landscape
report.
B
Authored
by
steve
kalan
steve
asserts
that
there
are
two
periods
of
significance
for
the
home
that
period
of
the
between
the
wars
when
mr
high
hoe
originally
had
the
home
constructed
and
then
the
second
period
from
1946
onward,
when
the
lewis
has
owned
the
home
staff
does
not
take
that
stand.
B
We
believe
there
is
one
period
of
significance
for
this
home
and
it
is
the
period
between
the
wars
and
this
house
stands
as
an
extraordinary
example
of
the
large
villas
that
were
being
built
during
the
depression
and
the
early
sort
of
the
golden
period
of
palm
springs
growth
in
the
1930s.
When
many
industrialists
and
people
from
hollywood
were
coming
out
and
building
these
very
large
estates
as
their
second
homes
and
their
winter
homes,
and
so
on,
the
analysis
on
the
whole
property
and
the
whole
project
begins.
B
On
page
seven
of
your
staff
report
and
the
applicant
and
the
architect
have
broken
this
down
into
six
parts,
and
I'm
just
going
to
mention
them
for
the
audience
that
the
pool
house
is
and
worked
toward
that
which
is
adding
an
addition
taking
off
an
addition,
adding
a
covered
porch.
The
service
cart
yard,
which
is
being
converted-
and
this
is
the
part
which
is
an
adaptive.
Reuse
of
part
of
this
house-
is
being
converted
to
an
outdoor
family
room.
B
B
As
most
of
you
know,
the
r1
zone
now
prohibits
two-story
dwellings,
but
many
of
the
older
ones
as
this
one
was
had
their
second
stories
added
or
built
originally,
and
so
they
have
been
allowed
to
continue
and
the
zoning
code
allows
for
modest
increases
and
50
enlargement
of
the
square
footage,
and
that's
what's
being
proposed
here-
to
really
make
that
second
floor,
more
functional
as
a
guest
unit,
and
it
also
takes
care
of
a
lot
of
very
difficult
and
problematic
conditions
there,
including
some
not
so
sympathetic,
roofs
and
mechanical
equipment
and
there's
deterioration
on
the
waterproofing
of
the
decking
and
so
on.
B
I
believe
three
of
you
have
actually
made
the
site
visit
to
the
home
prior
to
tonight's
meeting
and
I
think
all
of
you
probably
have
some
familiarity
with
it.
The
fourth
portion
was
the
hardscape
redesign
and
the
restoration.
B
It's
broken
down
into
series
of
zones
in
terms
of
the
way
that
we've
now
analyzed
it
and
interpreted
it
against
our
findings
and
then,
lastly,
are
there
are
a
series
of
much
needed
maintenance
and
deferred
items
that
are
being
taken
care
of
including
re-roofing
re-plumbing,
new
electric
new
hvac
replacement,
deteriorated
stucco,
there's
some
drainage
problems
on
the
site
that
are
being
ameliorated.
B
The
perimeter
garden
wall,
new
trash
enclosures,
the
home,
is
really
getting
its
second
life
breathed
into
it.
With
this
project
on
page
10
of
your
staff
report
is
where
we
go
into
the
analysis
of
each
of
these
components,
and
I
put
it
in
a
table
which
I
don't
normally
do,
but
because
there's
such
a
broad
extent
to
the
extent
to
the
scope
of
this
project,
I
thought
it
would
be
the
easiest
way
for
you
to
churn
through
it
and
in
general.
B
I
have
found
in
looking
at
the
project
that
almost
all
parts
of
it,
in
my
opinion,
do
meet
the
findings
necessary
for
the
granting
of
a
certificate
of
appropriateness.
The
one
item
that
I
take
exception
to
is
on
page
11
of
your
staff
report
and
that
is
replacing
the
aluminum
glazing.
That's
on
the
west
facade,
as
you
can
see
from
the
earlier
photos
in
your
staff
report
that
original
veranda
was
open,
as
is
typical
of
the
case,
or
these
spanish
colonial
revival,
homes
and
sometime
in
the
past.
B
That
was
enclosed
and,
in
my
opinion,
as
the
city's
historic
preservation
officer
that
did
diminish
the
integrity
and
the
historicity
of
the
home.
And
so,
although
the
applicant
does
desire
to
replace
that
sort
of
veranda
glazing
with
glazing,
that
is
more
in
keeping
with
the
architecture
and
the
style
of
the
home.
B
I
would
assert
that
that
is
a
situation
that
really
is
not
part
of
the
original
character
of
the
home
and
I'm
not
recommending
it
to
be
approved,
but
rather
that
the
miranda
be
restored
to
its
original,
open
condition.
The
rest
of
the
items
are
on
the
top
of
the
on
page
12.
B
I
should
say-
and
the
two
things
that
I
will
bring
here-
that
are
relatively
minor
on
this
page-
is
some
discussion
about
the
landscaping
in
the
courtyard
which
I'll
speak
to
in
a
moment,
and
there
were
some
landscape
questions
on
the
outside
perimeter
of
the
property
that
were
in
the
roadway
right
of
way
and
engineering
does
not
allow
large
trees
and
things
to
be
planted
in
the
roadway
right
away,
and
so
those
aspects
have
been
revised.
B
The
the
findings
as
you
go
through
them
of
course,
do
make
affirmative
findings
that
the
project
as
you've
seen
it
here,
does
meet
the
standards
that
the
work
is
being
done
consistent
with
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
and
that
the
many
of
the
character
defining
features
that
have
become
deteriorated
or
have
become
degraded
over
time.
The
project
is
really
doing
a
remarkable
job
of
bringing
them
back
to
life,
so
our
recommendation
is
for
approval
of
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
the
back
of
your
staff
report.
B
After
the
vicinity
map,
I
have
placed
a
set
of
conditions
of
approval
that
I'm
recommending
that
you
adopt,
particularly
where
we
have
areas
that
are
being
modified,
and
I've
noted
this
in
number
two
providing
photographic
records
for
the
for
our
archives
here
at
the
city
of
how
it
does
exist.
B
There's
some
work
involving
our
replacement
and
rebuilding
of
the
steps
to
the
second
floor.
The
very
first
riser
has
some
of
the
original
ceramic
tile
on
it,
and
I'm
recommending
that
the
tile
for
the
remaining
steps
that
are
being
rebuilt
if
the
owner
can
to
find
a
tile
that
is
as
close
as
possible
in
the
design
of
it
and
put
those
risers
back
into
a
tile
of
material,
the
reinstallation
of
the
roof
tile
in
the
same
random
matter
and
the
same
color
gradation
I'll
get
back
to
that
in
just
a
minute.
B
Rebuilding
of
the
pool,
as
I
mentioned
to
you
a
few
weeks
ago,
this
pool,
which
was
original
in
1947,
was
demolished.
It
was
demolished
without
permits
and
without
approvals
the
owner
has
been
notified
and
the
pool
contractor
has
been
notified.
I
plan
on
meeting
with
the
pool
contractor
next
week.
I
believe,
is
what
our
meeting
time
is.
The
city
will
be
handling
this
pool
problem
at
an
administrative
level.
B
B
The
owner
has
been
very
apologetic
and
they
have
been
very
amenable
working
with
the
city,
but
I
just
want
to
make
the
board
aware
that
we
will
take
care
of
that
problem
at
an
administrative
level
with
the
with
the
applicant
in
terms
of
the
concrete
I've
recommended-
and
I
think
john-
and
can
speak
a
little
bit
to
the
finish
on
the
concrete,
but
I'm
recommending
that
this
concrete
be
made
in
a
way
that
is
patterned
after
the
concrete
that
was
done
at
the
willows,
which
is
almost
replicating.
B
You
can't
really
tell
that.
It's
not
concrete
from
the
1930s,
the
number
seven
from
the
report
on
the
landscape.
There
was
a
recommendation
that
the
area
around
the
house
between
the
drive
and
the
house
be
restored
to
something
as
nearly
as
possible
of
the
natural
desert
landscape,
keeping
it
minimal
simple
and
with
indigenous
plantings
that
you
would
have
seen
at
that
time.
B
There
are
some
paint
swatches
that
have
been
applied
on
the
outside
of
the
perimeter
garden
wall
that
we're
recommending
to
be
removed
all
work
to
conform
to
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards,
as
they
do
the
water
and
gas
piping
that
there
be
no
surface
mounted
piping
and
that
in
the
original
design
of
the
concrete
there
was
gaps
and
I
recommended
those
gaps
be
closed.
B
The
work
that's
being
proposed
in
the
service
courtyard
is
not
unlike
that,
which
was
done
there,
there's
going
to
be
a
portion
of
the
wall
between
the
service
courtyard
and
the
main
courtyard,
which
will
be
removed
to
facilitate
a
more
contemporary
use
of
that
space.
This
is
going
to
be
a
family
home
and
that
kind
of
outdoor
space
where
there
could
be
gathering
around
sort
of
a
cantina
kind
of
a
space
is,
is
important
to
this
particular
owner
and
they've
done
so
in
a
way.
B
In
my
opinion,
that
is
sensitive
to
the
architecture
of
the
building
and
of
the
architecture
of
the
home.
This
is
one
of
those
areas,
though,
however,
where
I
do
want
to
stress
that
we
want
to
collect,
you
know
photographs
of
its
existing
conditions,
so
that
we
can
add
them
to
the
archival
file.
So
there
is
a
record
of
how
this
thing
was
originally.
B
B
This
is
not
necessarily
consistent
with
the
original
historic
character
of
this
home.
This
home,
like
many
in
palm
springs,
is
has
been
designed
in
a
in
a
very
casual,
almost
vernacular
style.
It's
a
simple
spanish
colonial
revival,
as
opposed
to
the
more
formal
style
that
you
might
see
in
cities
like
madrid
or
barcelona,
and
so
I
have
some
questions
and
concerns
about
the
fact
that
this
is
kind
of
an
out
of
place
proposal
this
this
cactus
garden.
But
I've
looked
at
it
this
way.
B
As
we've
seen
different
projects
come
through
the
city,
we
try
to
accommodate
the
needs
and
the
changes
in
use
of
the
current
applicants
that
are
making
these
proposals
in
this
particular
case,
this
landscape,
should
there
be
another
person
in
the
future,
a
family
in
the
future
that
bought
the
home
and
wishes
to
do
a
more
articulate
or
accurate
restoration.
This
landscape
could
be
removed
and
the
simple
panel
of
turf
and
the
remaindering
flagstone
pathway
could
be
reinstated.
B
B
The
howls
are
coming
from
atlanta,
and
they
are
fascinated
by
the
incredible
horticulture
that
we
have
here
in
the
desert
and
bennett
has
put
together
an
amazing
palette
and
design
to
almost,
I
think
I
would
hazard
to
say,
is
a
bit
of
a
miniature
botanic
garden
that
I
think
you
could
have
name
plates
on
things
to
really
show
the
the
wide
variety
of
plant
types
that
that
are
possible
to
grow
here.
So
I've
said
from
a
historic
point
of
view:
let
that
area
be
something
that
gets
modified
to
the
current
owner's
taste.
B
B
A
lot
of
the
existing
screening
and
oleanders
and
trees
and
cypress
and
other
things
are
either
at
the
end
of
their
useful
life
or
they
have
become
diseased
and
blighted
or
damaged
over
time
or
they've
suffered
from
improper
pruning,
and
so
bennett
has
really
put
together
a
very
careful
landscape
palette
that
reflects,
as
you
can
see,
in
the
photos
in
the
staff
report
and
in
the
landscape
report,
a
landscape
design
that
really
works
to
bring
back
some
of
that
feeling
that
existed
in
the
1940s
when
the
lewis
has
had
the
home
and
keeping
some
of
the
alignment
of
trees
and
other
things,
the
palm
trees
that
you
see
there
respectful
of
that
particular
period,
so
we're
recommending
approval
of
those
things.
B
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Does
the
board
have
any
questions
for
mr
lyon?
At
this
point,
any
questions
vice
chair
nelson.
E
Yeah.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
a
comment
and
a
question.
Firstly,
I
just
want
to
emphasize
how
wonderful
and
important
the
site
visit
was
having
been
there
before
on.
My
own
is
completely
different,
going
there
with
staff
and
their
trained
eye,
and
also
with
the
architect,
because
it
opened
up
things
that
you
would
not
have
noticed
or
seen
otherwise.
So
that
was
extremely
crucial
for
me
personally.
E
So
thank
you
for
that,
and
likewise
thank
you
to
staff
for
including
my
one
big
observation
that
day
about
the
original
tile
at
the
bottom
of
the
stairs
and
incorporating
that,
even
though
it
was
mentioned
that
it
was
going
to
be
demoed
and
rebuilt.
E
So
that's
wonderful
to
see
and
then
a
question
about
the
roof.
E
So,
in
exhibit
a
item
number
four
staff
is
recommending
to
reinstall
the
roof
tile
in
the
same
random
manner
in
color
gradation,
a
thin
in
the
attached
document
from
the
architect.
That
gives
the
whole
roofing
contractor's
inspection
report
and
he
is
recommending
removing
all
of
the
roof
and
disposing
of
it
and
having
it
be
recycled
and
then
replacing
it
entirely
with
reproduced
garden,
mcbean
roof
tile
for
the
entire
property.
E
So
that
makes
sense
to
me,
but
I
concur
with
jeff
that
he
would
want
to
protect
and
reuse
whatever
retails
available.
But
my
question
being:
is
there
enough
of
that
reptile
to
be
able
to
cover
all
the
areas
they
want
to
do.
B
B
So
thank
you
for
bringing
this
up
that
note
in
the
staff
report
was
written
before
I
had
seen
the
roofing
forensics
study
and
I
was
very
surprised,
as
maybe
some
of
you
were
as
well,
that
that
incredible
roof
with
that
graded
color
is
not
original,
and
I
was
particularly
impressed
with
the
roofing
consultants
investigative
dig
where
he
went
right
down
and
found
the
original
15
pound
felts,
which
of
course
we're
doing
40,
pound
and
double
40
pound
felts
today,
and
then
he
found
these
original
handmade.
B
B
Tiles,
apparently,
were
very
fragile,
did
not
hold
up
well
and
that
kind
of
gives
us
the
the
history
and
the
sleuthing
behind
why
this
is
not
the
original
roof,
but
probably
one
that
was
installed
in
the
1950s
fascinating
to
me
that
he
was
able
to
dig
this
thing
up
and
turn
it
over
and
see
the
glading
being
stamp
in
the
clay
tile
and
and
really
begin
to
kind
of
piece.
This
piece
of
the
puzzle
together.
B
So
the
clarification
that
I
would
offer
you,
member
nelson,
is
that
the
the
owner,
when
you
look
at
the
tile,
if
you
remember,
being
up
at
the
second
floor
level,
that
entire
roof
is
cemented
together
and
you
know
normally,
we
see
a
little
bit
of
cement
where
we
have
boosted
tile
and
so
on
that
whole
thing
is
cemented
together
and
the
likelihood
of
them
restoring
or
salvaging
even
half
of
the
roof
tile
is
likely.
B
Not
it's
going
to
be
a
futile
effort,
and
so
the
architect
and
the
roofing
consultant
have
recommended
that
we
allow
that
existing
roof
to
be
removed
and
disposed
of,
and
that
a
new
roof
be
put
on
with
new
tile
matching.
The
same
color
gradation
as
well
as
the
same
rustic,
informal
pattern
of
tile
arrangement.
E
So
just
to
clarify
staff
is
now
in
agreement
with
the
latest
funding,
but
we've
been
contracted
that
the
entire
route
we
play
with
reproduction
guarding
mcbean.
Yes,
sir
okay,
thank
you.
A
Okay,
I'd
like
to
our
applicants
are
present,
and
I
would
like
to
invite
robin
and
hilton
howell
to
say
a
few
words
about
the
project,
anything
that
you'd
like
to
share
more
about
the
project
for
the
board's
consideration.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
chairman
hoff
vice
chairman
nelson
members
of
the
board.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
My
name
is
hilton
howell.
My
wife
is
down
in
another
zoo
and
feed
down
there.
Her
name
is
robin,
and
so
robin
you,
you
say
anything
you
want
to
whenever
you're
ready
to
first,
I
want
to
begin,
not
only
by
saying
thank
you
for
your
attendance
tonight,
but
I
want
to
say
thank
you
in
front
of
this
board
to
ken
lyon,
who
has
been
a
remarkable
asset
to
all
of
us.
G
G
By
way
of
background,
though,
both
my
wife
and
I
have
a
true
love
for
old
homes
here
in
atlanta
georgia,
our
first
home
was
built
in
1928
and
when
we
were
in
our
early
early
30s,
we
renovated
it
completely
to
historical
standards
and
then
also
made
it
a
home
that
was
sufficient
to
house
at
least
two
of
our
eventual
four
children.
G
All
you
have
to
do
is
google,
my
name
and
it'll
it'll
show
up
online,
but
we
renovated
that
building
in
19
or
that
home
in
1996
through
1997
finally
moving
in
in
1998,
and
we
have
continued
to
bring
it
up
to
what
I
think
is
historical
standards,
but
also
modern,
day
standards,
so
that
one
day
when
we're
no
longer
here-
and
it
goes
to
a
subsequent
owner,
it
can
last
another
hundred
years.
G
That
candidly
is
what
our
efforts
are
with
in
bernada.
I
will
tell
you
willis
watts,
who
is
on
this
on.
This
call
called
me
from
palm
springs
about
this
house
and
it
was
a
late
afternoon
on
friday
before
before
easter
weekend.
Actually
it
was
good
friday
and
he
said
I
found
this
home
for
you
guys.
I
go,
I'm
not
looking
for
a
home.
G
Actually,
I
kind
of
was
I
wanted
something
during
the
winter
months
when
it's
cold
and
wet
in
georgia,
and
but
it
was
a
bad
day
on
a
friday,
and
he
talked
me
into
doing
a
a
video
something
very
akin
to
this
walk
through
than
branada,
and
I
said
well,
let
me
check
with
robin
and
see
what
she
thinks
and
surprised.
This
is
during
code.
G
G
What
I'm
describing
to
you
is
nothing
short
of
love
at
first
sight
with
regard
to
this
phone,
I'm
sorry
for
the
length
and
the
depth
of
the
presentation
that
you
have
before
it.
G
I
personally
read
through
it
at
least
four
times
and
every
time
I
learn
something
new
and
I
can
assure
you
now
that
I
have
read
at
least
half
the
biography
of
tilly
lewis
and
I've
read
her
menu
plan,
tasting
diet,
menu
plan
plus
I
I've
had
the
honor
of
me
meeting
tracy
conrad,
who
gave
me
her
book
with
regard
to.
I
think
it's
einstein
I
looked
for
it,
but
I
couldn't
remember
the
name
of
the
title,
but
einstein
slept
here
or
something
akin
to
it.
G
I
located
it
john
and
then,
and
I
got
it
and
but
I
had
read
through
a
bunch
of
that
and
then
I
had
read
a
book
that
your
organization
had
published
that
had
this
house
and
bernada
as
an
unattributed
architectural
house.
G
I
am
without
doubt
certain
that
tanner
was
the
architect
of
this
house
and
we
have
seen
several
other
homes
in
palm
springs.
I
think
one
was
in
los
alamos
los
palmas.
I'm
sorry
and
they've
been
better
preserved
over
the
decades
than
in
bernard
had
been.
G
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
of
your
time,
because
I
really
would
like
both
john
and
bennett
to
speak
about
their
their
plans,
architecturally
and
answer
your
questions
and
about
the
architecture.
G
But
when
I
jumped
in
when
robin
and
I
jumped
to
the
deep
end
of
the
pool,
we
really
didn't
know
what
we
were
getting
into.
But
we
knew
it
was
going
to
be
a
big,
a
big
project
and
once
again
throughout
that
whole
time
which
began
during
kogu
and
then
during
his
convalescence.
Ken
lyon
helped
all
of
us
to
do
the
best
that
we
could
do
to
bring
this
to.
G
I
hope
to
be
a
positive
vote
tonight
and
then
soon
to
be
because
I
see
robert
van
tassel,
who
is
on
this
line,
who
is
our
builder
so
that
he
can
start
working
soon
because
we've
owned
it
for
a
minute
and
during
that-
and
this
will
come
up
to
one
of
my
requests
that
will
be
coming
to
you
from
me
orally.
G
We
have
had
multiple
break-ins
and
we
had
one
individual
that
actually
moved
into
a
portion
of
the
house,
and
earlier
today
I
was
able
to
share
that
directly
with
ken
lyon,
but
that
will
lead
to
one
of
the
requests
that
I
would
at
least
put
to
the
board
for
their
consideration.
G
But
I
will
tell
you
before
I
turn
it
over
to
them.
I
thank
candling
that
what
has
been
put
together
for
your
cons,
consideration
accomplishes
everything
that
anyone
could
hope
to
accomplish.
G
Back
when
spanish
revival,
architecture
was
all
the
rage
and
it's
done
something
which
is
critical
for
me
and
my
family,
because
we
want
it
to
be
a
home,
a
home
for
us,
a
home
for
our
family,
hopefully
one
day
a
home
for
our
grandchildren,
but
also
a
home
that
we
can
entertain
graciously
in
palm
springs
because
we
intend,
on
making
this
city
a
primary
residence
of
our
family,
and
I
look
forward
to
meeting
all
of
you
in
person
not
just
on
on
this
zoom
call.
G
You
live
in
a
wonderful
part
of
the
planet
earth
and
I'm
I'm
thrilled
that
willis
talked
me
into
it
and
I'm
thrilled
even
more
that
I
jumped
off
the
deep
end
of
the
pool.
Now
let
me
address
the
pool
before
I
turn
it
over
to
john
and
to
bennett.
G
We
didn't
know
when
we
jumped
into
that
figurative
pool
that
the
literal
pool
had
not
been
filled
in
probably
30
years,
all
right.
What
we
did
know
was
that
the
prior
owner
who
was
is
a
brilliant
doctor
in
the
community
and
had
lived
there
since
he
bought
it
from
the
tilley
lewis
estate,
almost
50
years,
40.
Something
in
any
event,
but
he
was
a
doctor.
First
and
foremost,
he
lived
in
two
rooms.
G
G
It
was
not,
and
I'm
sure
many
of
you
may
have
seen
it
previous
to
that.
It
was
not
that
home
back
beforehand
and
there
was
deep
and
profound
concern
at
the
entirety
of
the
pool
could
not
be
rehabilitated
that
it
had
to
be
taken
out
of
the
ground
and
completely
rebuilt
to
hold
the
water,
especially
in
a
terrain
in
the
desert,
as
demanding
as
palm
springs.
G
G
But
by
the
end
of
the
second
war
we
did,
and
so
the
lewis's
enclosed
the
logia
and
then
implemented
air
conditioning
in
that
area
and
then
throughout
the
rest
of
the
home.
Because,
previous
to
that
everything
was
open
air
from
31
through
47
when
they
bought
it.
There
was
no
air
condition.
G
There
was
no
central
air
there's,
a
complete
central
air
system
in
the
entirety
of
the
home
and
the
security
shutters
that
are
currently
there
provide
a
lot
level
of
security
that
if
we
went
back
to
the
old
steel
and
glass
sash
doors,
which
I
really
want
to
keep
because
they
have
spent
close
to
100
years
with
the
patina
of
age
that
is
simply
not
replicable.
Today
they
have
a
patina
of
age.
C
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
hilton.
Madame
chairman
board
members,
my
name
is
john
walsh,
architect
in
palm
springs,
and
it's
it's
been
a
pleasure
and
and
an
interesting
process
to
work
on
in
vernada
over
the
over
the
past
year
or
so,
and
in
the
brochure
that
you
have,
and
certainly
in
ken's
staff
report,
the
components
of
the
architectural
improvements
are
called
out
and
and
articulated
there
and
and
so
I'm
available
to
certainly
answer
questions.
C
C
It's
it's
a
it's
a
an
effortful
evaluation
of
existing
conditions.
These
things
oftentimes
have
a
tendency
to
fall
apart
in
your
hands
literally
and
ken
is
quite
right.
The
the
investigative
process
regarding
the
roof
was
was
better
than
a
classroom
education
and
to
to
see
the
the
impact
of
materials
fully
using
their
full
life
span.
In
addition
to
enduring
decades
of
of
just
general
natural
decay
makes
you
aware
that
you
have
to
be
pretty
responsible
in
in
how
you
put
this
back
together.
C
The
next
thing
I
would
want
to
mention
is
that
effort
has
has
gone
into
to
trying
to
create
a
seamless
architecture
to
landscape
architecture,
relationship
toward
that
end.
Bennett
puduba
and
I
have
worked
hand
in
glove.
C
We
we've
sort
of
started
from
the
initial
programming
process
with
our
client
in
terms
of
how
these
spaces
are
going
to
be
used
to
their
best
and
fullest
capability,
as
well
as
issues
of
site
analysis,
view,
corridors,
drainage
issues,
slope,
a
lot
of
these
of
basic
physical
phenomena,
don't
seem
to
have
been
necessarily
factored
in
on
the
original
house,
and
this
is
our
opportunity
to
kind
of
reach
deeper
and
and
fix
a
few
things.
C
The
last
thing
that
I
would
mention
is
that
you
know
the
the
design
concepts
only
address
not
only
addressed
the
unique
historical
importance,
reflective
of
a
certain
time
and
a
certain
place
in
palm
springs.
But
additionally,
the
burden
here
is
is
to
create
a
comfortable
family
home
and,
in
my
mind
it
it
will
adequately
be
declared
a
success
when
it
not
only
hits
the
target
of
of
preserving
and
restoring
a
unique
property
but
further
when
it's
being
fully
used
and
enjoyed
and
filled
with
people.
C
F
It's
like
the
brady
bunch
hi,
my
name
is
ben
peterbaugh
and
I
have
recited
in
palm
springs
in
the
desert
since
1982
my
company
designs
and
installs
the
the
projects
we
design
and
we
even
have
a
maintenance
division
that
keeps
the
projects
looking
the
way
we
design
in
the
first
place.
F
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
site
observing
what
was
there
and,
as
it
exists,
what
it
was
there
in
the
past,
studying
stephen
k,
long's
report
on
from
photographs
and
literature
of
how
in
renata
started
from
the
beginning
of
1931
through
his
progression
with
tilly
lewis
and
the
changes
that
were
made
in
each
period.
F
The
other
directives
we
have
followed
were
have
taken
into
account.
Are
the
historical
site
preservation
boards
being
respectful
of
that,
and
also
assessing,
assessing
all
the
existing
site
conditions
was
a
big
part
of
our
process
in
the
new
design
of
the
project
and
landscape
and
last
but
not
least,
which
is
why
we
have
a
few
of
the
changes
in
the
gardens
that
I'm
proposing
is.
F
I've
been
very
cognizant
of
the
water
use
that
we
are
having
to
follow
here
in
the
desert
through
the
city,
plantings,
narrative
and
the
desert
water
agencies
guidelines,
and
we
have
met
so
far,
are
those
guidelines,
as
I
have
designed
the
gardens
to
accommodate
that
that
meant
removing
portions
of
lawn
that
required
a
lot
of
water,
a
lot
of
maintenance,
and
then
that
was
also
a
reason.
I
took
the
direction
with
the
cactus
garden
that
is
in
the
on
the
west
side
of
the
guest
bedroom
courtyard
there.
F
F
That's
really
about
all.
I
have
to
say
if
you
have
any
questions
regarding
that
we're
more
than
open
to
hear
that-
and
I
appreciate
and
thank
you
for
this
evening
and
and
hearing
our
presentation.
B
Madam
chair,
I
also
wanted
to
just
further
clarify
what
bennett's
efforts
are
here.
There
was
a
image
that
he
shared
with
me
recently
that
I
want
to
share
my
screen
on
which
helps,
I
believe,
visualize
more
clearly
his
vision
for
this
new
cactus
garden.
A
B
Okay,
so
this
is
one
that
bennett
provided
to
me.
I
said
you
know,
in
order
for
the
board
to
kind
of
wrap
their
head
around
this
somewhat
major
change
in
the
landscape.
I
think
we
really
need
something
that
kind
of
illustrates
it
in
a
three-dimensional
manner,
and
and
that's
what
bennett's
provided
here
and
I
think
it
gives
you.
It
certainly
gives
me
more
comfort
in
understanding
what
the
vision
is
here
and
I
think
it's
reasonable.
I
think
the
bennetts
will
I'm
sorry.
F
I
just
wanted
to
also,
if
I
could
add
to
that,
can
is
you
could
see
in
that
that
mock-up,
that
we
have
very
soft-
and
these
are
all
desert
plantings,
all
native
desert
species
that
take
very
low
water
usage,
but
will
give
you
some
color
throughout
that
garden.
F
So
the
perimeters
of
that
garden
are
supposed
to
be
softening
the
edges
of
some
of
the
more
rectilinear
portions
that
the
cactus
will
will
take
on
that
and
some
of
that
so
there's
a
combination
of
some
formality
with
a
more
natural
design
around
the
perimeters,
because
there's
formality
that
exists
from
the
tiled
fountain
out
to
the
pool
that
lines
up
with
the
pool
house.
F
So
there's
some
very
direct
indications
that
tilly
lewis
had
started
and
then
I
think
she
took
the
lead
from
the
original
owners
of
george
hi-ho
and
how
he
placed
that
tiled
fountain
off
the
center
of
the
logia
and
then
where
the
stairwell
from
the
upstairs
comes
down
to
meet
the
fountain
in
the
center
of
that.
So
I'm
carrying
this
path
that
runs
through
down
to
the
guest
bedrooms
for
access
and
have
a
real,
interesting
interaction
in
this
garden.
F
That
whoever's
visiting
can
enjoy
and-
and
it's
I
think,
it's
very
unique
and
again
you'll
see,
there's
no
grass
in
this
garden,
so
I
think
we're
satisfying
helping
satisfy
the
water
use
requirements
here.
A
Thank
you,
so
boy,
are
there
any
other
comments
or
or
questions
or
yes,
okay,
member
hanson.
D
Thank
you.
I
just
have
a
couple
questions
of
clarification
and
thank
you
to
the
howls
and
the
project
team.
It's
you
know
can
tell
you're
putting
a
huge
amount
of
thought
into
this
and
really
wanting
to
do
the
right
thing
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
beautiful
asset.
You
know
a
real
example
of
you
know:
restoration
of
a
city
landmark.
D
I
just
had
a
question
for
ken
actually
regarding
the
landscape
revisions
on
your
table,
there
was
one
that
said
pending
is
did
that
image
we
just
saw
of
the
cactus
garden.
Was
that
what
you
were
so
do
you
feel
like
you
have
enough
on
that
now?
Okay,
so
then
that
would
be
a
yes
okay,
so
there
would
be
nothing
and
then
I
I
wasn't
sure
from
mr
howell
regarding
the
logia,
were
you
asking
actually
that
the
some
type
of
glazing
be
allowed
to
remain?
D
G
Handsome
there's
actually
a
physical
rendering
of
what
I
was
envisioning
right,
the
subsequent
back
panel.
It
replicates
what
is
what
was
historically
there,
the
steel
sash
glass
for
lack
of
a
better
word
french
door.
I
mean,
because
that's
kind
of
how
I
look
at
it-
it's
obviously
spanish
and
inspiration,
but
that
is
this:
there's
a
steel
door
that
was
the
exterior
door.
It
just
can
no
longer
function
as
a
there.
You
go
right
that,
thank
you
so
much
ken
what
we
were
envisioning
is
taking
and
having
a
a
multi-paned.
G
G
None
of
those
pins
would
move,
they
would
be
completely
static,
but
they
would
also
be
able
to
allow
us
to
keep
the
security
screens
which
not
only
protects
security
issues,
but
it
also
protects
us-
and
I
haven't
lived
through
these
yet,
but
I
hear
that
you
guys
have
sandstorms,
and
I
hear
that
when
the
rain
comes,
it's
been
like
the
rain
that
we
get
we've
had
for
a
month
in
georgia.
I
mean
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
bottle
it
and
send
it
out
there
to
you
guys,
because
we've
had
so
much
rain.
G
G
Get
rid
of
that
thought,
but
think
of
it
as
bringing
forward
of
the
french
doors
that
were
there
to
a
complete
area,
but
it
would
allow
us
to
maintain
the
security
frames
that
are
there
now
and
then
maintain
that
as
an
air
conditioned
space
for
you
know
for
life,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
outdoor
space.
What
the
house
really
misses
is
conditioned
space,
both
heated
and
and
and
and
cooled.
So
that's
really
what
we're
looking
at.
So
it
wouldn't
stay
with
this
horrible
look.
G
We
would
do
something
different
and
then
honestly,
if
you
guys
choose
not
to
go
that
way,
I'll
salute
and
move
on.
I
really
was
serious.
Both
my
wife
and
I
at
the
same
moment,
after
kind
of
like
swallowing
hard,
did
fall
in
love
with
at
first
sight
with
this
house
and
then
candidly
with
palm
springs,
we're
ready
to
get
building
and
I'm
ready
to
get
out
there
I'll.
Have
you
all
over
for
a
cocktail,
a
fundraiser
all
right,
no
seriously!
G
G
C
No,
I
mean
hello,
he
is
I'm
probably
a
big
piece.
I
am
definitely
the
big
piece
of
wanting
fellowship.
I
do
like
the
added
security.
I
love,
I
don't
care
for
the
way
it
looks
now
it's
an
eyesore
frankly,
but
I
really
do
like
having
that
kind
of
barrier
on
the
back.
I
think,
if
you
see,
if
that
is
all
removed
and
goes
back
to
an
outdoor
space,
the
existing
doors
we
have,
which
are
beautiful,
and
we
want
to
keep
that
line.
C
The
main
room
aren't
really
adequate
as
exterior
doors
in
the
way
that
they
lock
and
the
way
that
they
can
be
opened.
I
mean
they
just
aren't
very
secure.
I
look
at
myself
as
spending
you
know,
time
out
there,
both
with
hilton
but
also
by
myself,
with
my
daughters
coming
to
visit,
there's
times
where
I
would
you
know
just
want
to
be
in
the
house
and
just
like,
knowing
that
I
can
kind
of
secure
the
front
and
the
back
of
the
main
house,
particularly
given
some
of
the
kind
of
crazy.
C
C
So
we
are
that's.
I
guess
it's
really
a
security
issue
for
me,
and
also
I
just
want
the
look
I
want.
I
want
the
back
of
it
to
look
beautiful
and
better
and
in
keeping
with
what
is
there
and
I
think,
having
the
steel
and
sash
and
glass
panes
that
kind
of
mimic
what
we
have
on
all
the
other
exterior
doors
would
kind
of
tie
into
that
whole
look,
but
yet
give
us
just
the
security,
the
security
back
there.
C
G
C
G
Gonna,
remember:
hanson,
we'll
do
whatever
you
guys
tell
us
to
do
all
right,
but
that
would
be
the
only
addition
that
we
would
make
to
ken
lyon's
proposal
to
you,
because
I
think
he
has
been
extremely
thoughtful
in
the
way
he
has
presented
this,
and
while
I
mentioned
when
I
began
with
rob-
and
I
have
had
a
pretty
extensive
experience
in
restoring
old
homes,
he
also
gets
it
because
when
you
do
it,
you
got
to
do
it
right.
The
first
time.
G
You
know
I
mean
you,
you
can't
take
an
old
home
and
leave
old
plumbing
or
leave
old
electrical
that
could
burn
the
house
down.
I
mean
you've
got
to
go
through
and
do
these
dramatic
things,
and
I
wasn't
expecting
that
to
put
a
new
roof
on
I'll
tell
you,
but
I
I
think
my
wife
pointed
out
what
we
were
asking
for,
just
that
one
small
caveat
to
ken
line's,
very
thoughtful
recommendation
to
this
board.
Okay,.
D
Okay,
can
I
just
follow
up?
Maybe
with
one
question,
maybe
maybe
comment
I
don't
know
front
four
can
actually
because
I'm
feeling,
like
you
know,
this
is
a
little
bit
different
because
when
they
bought
it,
it
had
already
been
altered
and
altered,
not
in
a
great
way,
and
it's
not
always.
D
You
know
when,
when
people
buy
something
with
that
existing
condition,
they
not
always
be
required
to
restore
something
back
to
an
actual
original
condition,
but
they're
still
doing
something
to
improve
the
appearance
of
it,
and
I
I
personally
understand
you
know
the
need
for,
for
you
know,
like
you,
said
safety
and
periods
of
time
where
you're
not
there,
certainly
the
heat
to
make
it
actually
usable
more
than
you
know
months
a
year.
So
I
don't
know
I
guess
maybe
what
I'm
suggesting
is.
Perhaps
staff
could
continue?
D
D
A
And
I
I
would
agree
with
you
member
hanson,
so
I
I
won't
reinforce
that.
But,
mr
lyon,
your
your
response.
B
Well,
I
I
appreciate
this
whole
presentation
from
start
to
finish.
It
kind
of
blows
me
away,
I'm
looking
at
this
also,
as
member
hanson
said,
you
know
when
I
look
at
this
as
the
city's
historic
preservation
officer
and
we're
taking
on
a
major
project
like
this.
The
goal
is
to
follow
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
and
where
you
have
the
ability
to
do
so
to
bring
something
back
to
its
original
condition.
B
The
way
that
john
and
and
bennett
have
worked
on
this
detail
as
well,
where
you
see
in
the
imagery
that
I
held
up
on
the
screen
just
a
moment
ago,
there's
a
there's,
an
integration,
we're
not
just
looking
at
these
enormous
panels
of
glass
that
that
don't
reflect
at
all
the
period
of
the
30s
but
they're.
B
Looking
at
putting
this
back
in
the
in
a
steel,
sash
style,
that's
very
appropriate,
and-
and-
and
this
is
where
I,
where
I
have
I-
I
have
a
I've-
come
to
a
a
a
balanced
opinion
about
this,
and
that
is
the
same
way
that
I
look
at
the
cactus
garden.
B
B
The
one
question
that
I
would
ask
or
encourage
the
hollows
to
do
in
in
putting
that
glass
in
in
its
the
way
that
it's
proposed
in
john's
drawing
are
you
able
to
also
in
some
way
bring
back
that
original
flagstone
floor
in
some
way,
whether
in
new
material
or
if
the
old
material
is
still
there
under
the
marble?
B
Would
it
be
possible
to
to
get
that
at
least
the
floor
back
to
what
we
see
in
the
original
drawings
and
because
I
think,
if
that
can
be
done,
I
am
comfortable
following
through
and
respecting
their
request
to
allow
that
glass
to
go
back
in
in
the
way
that
it's
shown
in
john's
drawings.
G
I'll
I'll
I'll
swing,
the
first
sledgehammer.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chad.
I
have
two
certain
questions
or
one
for
the
architect
and
one
for
the
landscape
designer,
along
with
some
comments,
so
filming
everything
that
I'll
try
to
tailor
the
comments
and
be
as
succinct
as
possible,
and
these
are
questions
I
had
written
down
long
before
the
meeting,
so
I
just
have
to
ask
to
have
them
answer
to
my
curiosity.
E
The
first
would
be
for
the
architect.
Mr
walsh,
can
you
tell
us
it
wasn't
stated
in
the
plan,
even
though
it
looks
like
wood,
can
you
tell
us
what
the
final
material
for
the
new
trellis
will
be,
and
the
second
question
for
you
is:
was
there
any
discussion?
E
Obviously
there
was
a
discussion
with
the
owners
about
why
the
spa
placement
was
done
between
the
pool
and
the
pool
house
or
on
the
north
end
of
the
pool,
rather
than
the
south
end
of
the
pool,
because
it
changes
the
relationship
of
the
pool
to
the
pool
house
and
that
expanse
of
lawn.
That
is
part
of
that
second
landscape,
which
has
been
identified
by
a
very
esteemed
landscape,
destroying
it
being
a
period
of
significance.
Whether
or
not
everyone
agrees
with
that,
so
those
are
my.
B
C
Member
nelson
to
answer
your
question
regarding
the
material
for
trellis
use,
you'll
see
some
of
the
spans
are
pretty
lengthy,
so
there's
going
to
be
some
structural
loading
and
some
structural
capacity
that
that
you
know
I'm
only
going
to
get
out
of
steel
in
those
cases
where
I
end
up
mixing
steel
with
wood
in
a
trellis.
But
you
want
a
full
width,
wood
appearance.
There
are
ways
that
I've
been
able
to
wrap
the
members.
C
So
basically
it's
a
wood
veneer
of
a
three-quarter
inch
whatever
and
and
it
works
and
a
bit
bevel
the
corners
and
all
I
have
to
kind
of
look
at
it
a
little
more
thoroughly
and
see
how
many,
how
much
steel
is
in
that
so
the
jury's
out.
I
need
to
kind
of
consult
my
structural
engineer.
Do
some
loading
and
and
see
what
we've
got
there,
but
basically
it
would.
C
My
goal
would
be
to
have
a
cohesive,
exterior
appearance
that
it's
it
looks
like
wood
and
it's
the
spacing
of
the
members.
The
sizing
of
the
members
will
connote
that
this
is
you
know
it's
a
wood,
trellis.
E
Great
and
that
that
wood
veneer
would
be
a
similar
color
as
to
woodwork,
that's
found
throughout
the
exterior
of
the
house.
C
Oh
yeah,
and
it
is
kind
of
interesting
that
the
rest
of
the
house-
it
is
pretty
cohesive
in
terms
of
the
stain
you
know
back
in
the
day
it
was
like
olympic
914.
That
was
it,
everybody
used
it
and
so
yeah.
I
am
I'm
sure
that
it's
you
know
that
that
would
be
the
lead
that
we
follow,
because
you
find
it
on
door,
trim
door,
sash
the
windows,
it's
it's
ubiquitous
throughout
the
site
there,
so
yeah,
okay,.
C
F
Well,
we
we
tried
it
in
both
directions
and
we
felt,
since
the
pool
house
was
right
there,
it
was
more
accessible
as
well
as
than
with
the
outdoor
family
room
and
opening
that
up
we
wanted
it
to
be
more
centrally
located
to
for
its
use
and
the
other.
The
other
element
was
the
new
equipment
location
will
be
on
the
north
west
corner
of
the
pool
house.
So
in
proximity,
it's
closer,
so
the
equipment
doesn't
have
to
work
quite
as
hard,
and
those
were
the
main
reasons.
E
In
my
questions
on
the
land,
okay,
first
of
all,
I
wanted
to
applaud
you
all
for
saving
fifty
percent
of
the
currently
existing
trees
at
the
site,
but
also
for
removing
those
fifty
percent
that
are
water,
governed
or
dead
or
whatever.
So
that's
to
be
commended.
E
But
I
noticed
that
there
are
two
types
of
junit
juniper
being
specified,
one
of
which
looks
like
a
italian
cyprus,
and
that
is
one
of
my
favorite
landscape
features
from
the
second
landscape
that
was
done
by
charlie
lewis,
and
you
know
I
was
born
here.
I
grew
up
here
and
I've
been
driving
by
that
house
for
45
years
and
they've
always
been
italian
cyclists
there.
So
I
don't
know
it
any
other
way,
and
I
see
that
we've
incorporated
some
in
the
plan.
F
Yeah
there
I
use
the
juniper
because
it
has
the
same
form
and
look
as
the
cypress.
I
don't
know
if
you're
aware,
but
the
italian
cypress
here
in
the
desert
are
struggling
not
just
at
this
property
but
throughout
the
valley,
they're,
very
prone
to
red
spider,
and
it's
been
a
horrendous
nuisance
right
now.
Thus
the
the
juniper
it's
called,
the
green
arrow
is
going
to
take
the
form
that
I
think
is
characteristic
for
that
period.
F
The
other
areas
that
there's
a
on
the
north
side
of
the
pool
house
we're
gonna,
develop
a
little
garden
within
there
and
since
this
particular
plant
is
very
vertical
and
and
narrower
and
smaller,
it
doesn't
get
as
large
as
the
italian
cypress.
I've
carried
that
into
that
garden
as
well,
and
mostly
around
the
cactus
garden
again
as
part
of
the
softening
and
the
perimeter
planting
in
place
of
those
old
cypress
that
we
want
to
remove,
and
then
in
that
north
pool
house
garden.
E
Wonderful
that
makes
sense,
thank
you
and
then
lastly,
for
bennett,
actually
two
more
things:
it's
not
clear
on
either
drone
plan
or
your
rendering
that
we
received
in
a
mailed
packet
they're
going
to
be
bougainvillea
on
the
trellis
that
looks
like
at
the
top,
but
it
doesn't
show
where
they're
planted
it
doesn't
show
where
they
are
in
the
ground.
Are
they
coming
up
on
the
inside
of
the
trellis
or
the
outside?
Or
I
know
these
are
little
things,
but.
G
So
when
I
was
a
very,
very
young
boy,
one
of
the
bucket
lists
of
my
life
was
to
have
a
home
that
could
grow
bougainvillea
and
palm
trees,
and
so
I
feel
quite
certain
that
bennett
placed
those
is
there
to
humor
me
all
right,
I'm
not
sure
exactly
where
he's
going
to
plant
them,
but
we're
going
to
have
a
bougainvillea
out
there.
It's
a
thing
all
right.
G
F
I
tried
to
convince
hilton,
you
know
that
they
are
messy
and
over
that
trellis
it
might
be
a
nuisance,
but
you
know,
and
if
we
do
plant
them
on
the
dress,
they
will
there's
a
planter
on
the
outside
perimeter,
where
you'll
see
the
columns
or
the
posts,
so
they
would
come
up
the
columns
and-
and
again
I
don't
like
to
cover
the
whole
thing.
You
know
we
might
have
one
or
two
because
boom
via
go
a
long
way
and
it
doesn't
take
much
to
do
its
job
and
then
plus.
E
Right
and
another
reason
I
brought
that
up
is
because
the
way
that
john
described
the
material
for
the
trial
as
being
a
steel,
beam
or
steel
members,
then
being
wrapped
in
a
three-quarter
inch
wood
veneer.
E
You
know
that
when
the
burgundy
grows
and
starts
twisting
and
turning
over
all
those
members
that
it's
going
to
be
or
could
be
very
destructive,
so
I'm
sure
you've
all
thought
of
that.
But
just
another
thing
to
bring
up
are
personally
still
members
or
pieces
wrapped
with
wood
veneer,
and
I
would
think
with
all
of
that
intense
western
exposure
all
year
long
that
that
veneer
could
very
easily
work
for
crack
or
whatever,
but
I'm
not
the
expert
when
it
comes
to
that
particular
type
of
thing.
E
F
E
F
Yes,
yes,
and
if
you
and
again
after
many
months
of
studying
the
on-site
conditions
there
in
vernada,
I
want
to
reinforce
some
of
the
symmetry.
That's
happening.
As
I
mentioned,
how
the
pool
is
centered
on
the
existing
tiled
fountain
and
then
how
the
pool
is
also
in
the
other
direction,
centered
on
the
pool
house.
F
So
there's
some
and
then
you
have
your
row
of
washingtonia,
philippero
palms,
just
on
the
east
side
of
the
pool
that
run
down
that
side
of
the
property,
so
you're
getting
some
very
strong,
symmetrical
lines
happening,
and
that's
where
I
wanted
to
kind
of
accentuate,
and
you
can
see
that's
why
I
didn't
do
the
whole
garden
in
a
formal
setting.
That's
why
the
perimeter
around
it
is
going
to
be
soft
plantings
with
shrubs
and
desert
material.
F
Everything
will
be
drought,
tolerant
and
low
water
use,
though,
and
then
you
know,
I
brought
to
the
earth
to
ken's
attention.
Also,
there
was
a
a
notation
that
you
know
this,
something
you
see
at
the
old
annenberg
estate
too,
and
this
was
a
reference
I
use
in
terms
of
some
structure.
F
E
Great,
thank
you
and
then.
Finally,
my
comments
and
observations
about
some
of
these
things.
I
have
read
steven
key
long
last,
this
assessment
about
the
old
one
and
the
new
one
over
and
over
again-
and
I
think,
they're
very
well
written
and
the
thing
I
keep
coming
back
to
is
how
that
mountain
feels
like
it's
closer
to
the
ground
than
it
was
originally
like,
he's
showing
that
it
was
sticking
up
higher
and
that
there
was
a
solid
band
underneath
the
tile.
E
So
I've
been
looking
and
looking
and
looking
at
all
of
these
photos
right.
So
on
page
15
and
page
17
of
the
landscape
assessment,
you
see
the
original
photos
of
the
veranda,
and
if
you
look
really
closely,
there
appears
to
be
what
looks
like
a
lip
of
the
floor
of
the
veranda
sticking
up,
maybe
eight
inches
above
the
lawn
right.
So
it
appears
that
the
veranda
was
designed
so
that
when
you
would
come
to
the
end
of
it,
it
was
hushed
up
and
you
were
not
meant
to
go
off
that
edge.
E
You
were
meant
to
go
down
to
the
left
down
the
stairs
and
then
go
out
into
the
garden
through
that
little
informal
garden
by
the
the
bedroom
wings.
So
that
would
explain
to
me
why
the
fountain
is
different
now,
because
there
was
maybe
some
infill
over
the
last
60
years.
So
I
think
that
you
know
that
explained
that
element
of
it
and
having
been
in
other
houses
from
the
period
like
the
deep
robot
house.
E
The
deeper
bound
house
is
very
close
by
about
a
block
or
throw
away
just
north
of
the
killer
grand
house,
and
it
is
a
class
when
the
dark
side
is
a
spanish
colonial
revival
and
it
has
a
covered
veranda
that
has
not
been
enclosed
and
it
is
a
huge
contributing
to
the
feeling
and
the
setting
and
the
integrity
of
that
home.
Those
types
of
covered
variants
are
for
all
of
the
early
spanish
home
zooms
on
spring
and
I've
known
of
people
who
have
removed
enclosures
much
to
their
delight.
They're
like
oh.
E
E
So,
having
said
that,
and
looking
at
those
old
photos
and
having
been
to
the
house
many
many
times
over
the
years,
I
am
very
cognizant
of
the
owners
concerns
about
security.
We've
experienced
them
here
in
our
own
neighborhood
and
twin
farms,
and
it's
a
real
problem
all
over
the
city.
E
However,
you
there
at
embanada
have
this
huge
added
advantage
of
being
an
island
unto
yourself
and
having
a
huge
perimeter
wall
all
around
the
site,
not
to
mention
the
incredible
landscape
plan
that
will
plant
very
heavily
on
the
western
and
northern
side,
not
to
mention
you
know,
you'll
be
doing
everything
basically
from
the
ground
up,
so
this
will
enable
you
to
do
new
security
and
put
in
all
the
right
kind
of
cameras
and
everything
that
you
will
be
doing
along
with
this
restoration.
E
No
doubt
you'll
have
a
security
firm
that
will
patrol
or
drop
do
drive
by
most
people
that
having
a
state
of
this
magnitude
have
that.
E
So
don't
doubt
you
would
do
that
so,
with
all
those
things
being
said,
it's
very
difficult
for
me,
especially
with
such
a
golden
opportunity
here,
to
go
against
the
staff
recommendation
and
I
do
agree
with
staff
that
it's
possible
that
belinda
or
losia
be
open
back
up
to
the
way
it
was
originally
and
very
cognizant
of
all
of
your
concerns,
but
that's
just
a
personal
thing,
and
so
that
pretty
much
concludes
everything
I
have
to
say,
but
I
do
want
to
applaud
everyone
involved.
E
G
A
C
I
just
want
to
briefly
applaud
the
howls
for
taking
on
this
project.
It's
a
a
wonderful
testament
to
your
appreciation
for
historic
architecture,
and
I
I
wish
you
great
luck
in
bringing
this
to
fruition.
C
I'm
sorry
that
I
was
not
able
to
make
the
board's
site
visit
at
the
time
they
did
it,
but
I
do
look
forward
to
seeing
this
project
move
forward
and
I'm
excited
to
see
the
work
progress
regarding
the
logia,
I
will
say
briefly.
I
heard
both
sides
of
the
story.
C
I
appreciate
ken's
willingness
to
accept
the
practical
reality
of
security
concerns
of
the
homeowners,
and
so
I
would
support
the
enclosure
of
the
logia
with
the
understanding
that
in
the
future
it
could
be
removed
and
that
it's
not
visible
to
the
exterior
of
the
property.
A
Okay,
so
well.
I
was
just
thinking
about
like
being
in
spain
and
you
know
they're
they're.
You
know
those
old
ancient,
you
know
arches
and
logias
and
verandas,
but
then
they
do.
They
are
protected
with
that.
You
know
a
contemporary
enclosure,
as
as
you
have
described,
and
I
kind
of
look
at
it.
You
know
the
modern
living
you
know
with
with
with
the
old
and
and-
and
I
know
they
I've
seen
them,
they
work
together.
A
The
fact
that
you
want
to
live
there
and
it's
not
a
museum
is
a
very
significant
and
important.
So
I
I
support
the
enclosure
and
appreciate
mr
lyon's
willingness
to
to
to
make
that
work.
So
any
other
comments
before
I
call
for
a
motion
any
other,
any
other
comments.
A
Okay,
so
saying
no
further
questions.
A
Okay,
remember,
hanson.
Your
motion
is.
D
Anyway,
I
get,
let
me
take
a
shot
and
then
you
can
tell
me
okay,
so
I
moved
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
conditions
for
the
class
one
historic
site
located
at
657
north
via
miralesti.
A
Okay,
so
I
I
have
a
motion,
and
may
I
have
a
second
second
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
made
by
member
hanson,
a
second
by
miller.
Is
there
any
further
discussion
on
this?
Is
it
clear
what
the
motion
is
and
the
understanding?
Okay,
very
good.
Thank
you!
So
now
I
will
call
for
the
the
question
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye,
aye,.
E
A
Okay,
any
post,
okay.
Well,
the
motion
passes
five
to
zero.
So
congratulations
and
thanks
for
these
very
thorough
reports,
very
thoughtful
comments,
and
you
know
you
know
compelling
sides
and
it
it's
very-
it's
very
exciting
to
have
this
very
important
restored
in
in
our
community.
So
so
we
thank
the
howls
and
their
team
for
this
wonderful
project.
C
Time
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
all
for
all
of
your
time
this
this
evening
and
for
all
of
the
time
you
put
into
this,
not
only
him
but
with
the
entire
group
and
how
much
time
you
spent
going
over
these
reports
and
reflecting
on
this
and
it's
been,
it's
certainly
been
a
journey,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
worth
it'll
be
worth.
I
know,
it'll
be
worth
the
wait
once
we
can
get
started
and
and
bring
this
home
back
up
to
its
glory.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thanks
to
all
so,
let's
proceed
to
agenda
discussion,
item
5a
and
a
subcommittee
for
the
2023
preservation
matters.
Symposium
has
been
formed
with
two
board
members
vice
chair,
nelson
and
member
hanson
are
those
two
members
because
of
the
the
brown
act
we
can't
have
more
than
two
and
mr
nelson,
since
you
are
just
so
talkative
tonight.
Would
you
please
report
on
your
symposium
planning
in
brief.
E
Sure
sure
I'm
no
different
than
any
other
meeting
tonight.
E
So
privileged
to
be
sharing
the
preservation,
matters,
2023
event
with
members
and
our
advisory
committee
dictat
and
captain
house.
E
I
am
pleased
to
say
that
we
just
settle
on
a
theme
for
the
upcoming
symposium
and
it
will
be
two
things
that
diverge
one
day
will
focus
on
tourism
and
the
history
of
tourism
in
palm
springs
and
surrounding
areas,
and
the
second
day
will
focus
on
water
and
the
history
of
water
and
the
the
nature
of
water
in
the
desert,
with
respect
to
development,
growth
and
impending
drought.
So
there
are
two
very
interesting
topics
they
have
from
overlap.
E
We
have
an
impressive
roster
of
speakers
lining
up
and
a
few
more
coming
on
board.
We've
gotten
confirmation
from
previous
speakers
like
greg,
huff
and
stephen
kielen
pspf
will
be
involved
via
modcom
will
be
involved
pending
their
final
confirmation,
we're
working
on
the
tribe.
They
are
waiting
for
us
to
give
them
dates
because
they
are
also
trying
to
open
their
cultural
center
this
spring.
E
So,
ideally,
we
would
like
them
to
get
that
done
before
from
peregrium
so
that
they
can
then
present
and
then
have
a
tour
of
the
facility
and
one
of
our
tours
and
we're
also
going
to
be
working
with
desert
water
agency,
which
is
very
exciting
to
me,
because
we're
trying
to
get
the
community
more
involved
in
different
neighborhood
organizations
modernism
week
will
be
involved
in
some
way
still
to
be
determined
and
stephen
drucker,
a
wonderful
presenter
has
decided
to
come
on
board
and
the
historical
society
will
be
joining
us.
E
I'm
sure
d
training
who
presented
last
year
on
charles
dubois
will
be
presenting
again
as
well.
So
it's
very
very
exciting.
It's
all.
Coming
together.
We
have
our
september
meeting
about
a
week
monday,
the
12th
at
the
city
hall
planning
conference
room,
and
I
believe
that
gary
john
from
the
preservation
foundation
will
be
joining
myself.
E
Member
answering
ken
lyon,
dick
picat,
and
we
will
be
consulting
on
the
side
with
catherine
hawk
so
that
we
don't
break
our
foreign
rules
for
this
particular
event.
Meanwhile,
if
anybody
else,
like
remember
miller,
remember,
vote
now
have
any
thoughts
or
dressings
or
input.
We
are
very
open
to
those,
so
please,
let
me
or
janet
know
and
janet
if
you
have
anything
to
please
do.
D
I
just
wanna,
I
just
wanna,
say
all
the
heavy
lifting
that
mr
nelson
has
already
done
on
this
conference.
D
He
sent
out
tons
and
tons
of
letters,
and
you
know
responding
to
people
so
so
far,
he's
he's
the
hero
here,
I'm
just
kind
of
in
the
wings,
but
I'm
learning
a
lot
as
I
go
along
because
I'm
obviously
not
familiar
with
all
of
the
players
in
palm
springs
preservation
on
getting
to
know
people
as
we
move
along,
but
I'm
looking
forward
to
giving
you
much
more
help
than
I
have
been
to
this
point
and
I'm
thinking,
maybe
you
know
we
can
sort
of
discuss
a
little
bit
of
how
we're
gonna
approach
this.
D
You
know,
as
you
know,
we
we
had
seven
board
members,
so
there
were
three
people
on
the
committee
chair
huff.
So
when
we
went
to
five,
we
had
to
lower
the
number
down
to
two
to
not
have
a
quorum,
so
I'm
stepping
up
to
the
plate.
I
promise
but
really
chair
or
vice
chair
nelson
has
has
really
done
a
ton
of
heavy
lifting.
So
thank
you
for
that.
It
doesn't
go
unrecognized
yeah.
E
E
B
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
we
are
trying
to
get
confirmation
on
the
date
for
the
event
of
april
1st
and
2nd.
You
know
with
justin's
departure
recently
and
chris
is
joining
us.
I've
already
had
this
conversation
with
chris
that,
as
soon
as
we
can
get
to
interim
city
manager,
teresa
galvan
delavan
that
we
will
try
to
get
this
date
nailed
with
the
convention
center
as
quickly
as
we
can.
B
The
other
thing
I
will
also
underscore
that
you
mentioned
is,
although
your
committee
has
been
whittled
down
to
only
two
because
of
the
brown
act
that
doesn't
negate
or
or
eliminate
the
possibility
for
other
members
of
the
hsb
to
participate
in
this
event.
So
please,
all
of
you
do
realize
that
you
are
very,
very
welcome
to
participate.
In
this
event,
it's
it's
a
little
clumsy,
because
we
have
to
pare
it
down
to
two,
but
this
is
really
the
board's
event.
B
So
if
there
are
times
when
you
want
to
bring
the
board
together,
jade
in
some
way
to
share
in
the
coordination
of
some
aspect
of
this
event,
tell
me-
and
it's
always
on
the
agenda
of
course,
but
if
you've
got
something,
that's
particular
that
you
want
to
bring
all
five
members
together
to
dialogue
on.
Please
let
me
know
and
we'll
make
sure
that's
on
the
agenda
that
way.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
for
that
ken
and
I
will
just
say,
since
you
brought
it
up
one
role
that
so
instrumental
is
the
person
who
helped
to
coordinate
the
setup
of
the
stage
and
the
furniture,
and
that
person
has
historically
also
done
the
tours
and
in
the
past
that's
been
dan
kaiser.
So.
E
If
someone
else,
like
god
or
eric,
would
like
to
step
forward
and
volunteer,
maybe
consult
with
dan
about
you
know
the
the
background
on
coordinating
tours,
that's
a
huge
thing
and
because
it's
a
free
community
event,
the
tours
are
a
big
draw,
even
though
they
do
come
at
the
end.
We
encourage
people
to
attend
the
symposium
as
well
as
the
tour.
E
So
you
know
if
anyone
wants
to
step
up-
and
you
know
kind
of
fill
the
role
that
dan
had.
We
would
more
than
welcome
that.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
So
our
next
agenda
item
is
a
presentation
by
mr
lyon
and
it's
called
beginnings
so
turn
it
over
to
you,
mr
lyon,.
B
This
is
a
presentation
that
I
had
prepared
back
in
2015
for
part
of
the
library
lecture
series,
and
I
thought
it
was
a
good
time
to
sort
of
begin
bringing
some
of
this
information
forward.
B
My
intent
is
to
try
to
bring
in
some
guest
speakers
to
different
board
member
board
meetings
to
just
further
enrich
this.
This
whole
effort.
So
here
we
go
so
the
beginnings
of
the
palm
springs.
Historic
site
preservation
board
welcome
to
palm
springs
those
old
buildings.
B
Why
historic,
preservation
matters,
people,
because
people
crave
real
places
with
real
buildings,
real
people
and
real
stories
why
this
preservation
matter,
especially
in
palm
springs
palm
springs,
is
like
no
place
else.
It
has
natural
beauty.
Cultural
history
celebrate
celebrity
history.
It
is
architectural
history
it
has
cowboy
in
western
history.
B
Palm
springs
has
a
real
story
to
tell,
and
that's
what's
important
about
why
we
do
preservation
here.
So
how
did
preservation
begin?
Where
did
it
all
begin?
Well,
of
course,
it
began
at
the
plaza
theater
built
in
1936
by
julia
carnell,
the
architect
of
williams,
williams
and
williams.
The
plaza
theater
became
a
center
point
for
the
community
in
the
30s
and,
as
you
can
see
in
this
early
photo
section,
14
was
really
pretty
much
undeveloped
at
that
time.
So
this
was
a.
B
This
was
a
big
deal
to
have
this
kind
of
a
shopping
center
in
palm
springs
at
that
time,
and,
of
course,
part
of
the
plaza
shopping
center
is
the
plaza
theater
and
the
plaza
theater
had
its
opening
night
and
I
believe,
36
with
the
showing
of
camille,
and
here
you
see
a
bunch
of
local
people
coming
in
and
stepping
up
to
the
ticket
booth
to
get
their
tickets
for
the
show,
but
wait
what
happened
in
1978,
the
10,
the
ticket
booth
at
the
plaza
theater,
was
demolished.
It
prompted
a
call
to
action.
B
The
desert
sun
picked
it
up
and
council
member
foster
said
the
destruction
of
the
boat
stimulated.
The
reaction
excuse
me
to
do
something
to
set
aside
other
potential
historic
sites
before
they're
lost.
We
have
very
few
sites
like
this
left
and
if
we
don't
do
something
soon,
there
won't
be
anything
left
to
say
so
foster
suggested
that
the
city
form
a
committee
to
review
the
plans
and,
as
they
say,
the
rest
is
history.
B
So
a
historic
preservation
committee
was
formed.
The
city
council
ordered
this
1978
and
they
were
tasked
establish
the
need,
determine
the
objectives.
Establish
criteria,
identify
methods
assist
in
developing
the
preservation
element
in
the
general
plan,
provide
methods
for
ensuring
that
implementation
of
council
policies
complete
a
list
of
potentially
historic
and
cultural
values,
create
a
means
of
designating
such
site
through
the
ordinance
and
by
the
way,
get
it
done
in
six
to
nine
months.
B
Well,
they
went
to
work
and
here's
where
the
story
turns
to
the
new
kid
on
the
block.
Librarian
henry
weiss
henry
was
30
years
old
when
he
came
to
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
took
on
the
position
of
library,
director
and
henry
was
instrumental,
and
I
this
particular
article
was
written
when
he
first
joined
the
city
and
I've
spoken
with
henley
recently.
B
I
I
twisted
his
arm
and
twisted
his
arm
to
try
to
get
him
to
come
to
us
today
and
actually
make
this
presentation,
but
I
couldn't
couldn't
get
him
to
come,
but
it
was
really
henry
that
worked
together
to
look
at
what
other
cities
have
done
and
work
with
the
committee
that
was
put
together
in
tasks
and
suddenly
after
that
emerged,
our
municipal
code,
section
8.05,
which
was
designated
and
adopted
by
the
city
council
in
1981..
B
Excuse
me,
this
quote,
I
thought
was
compelling.
When
we
lose
an
important
landmark,
we
lose
more
than
an
old
building.
We
lose
the
memory
of
what
has
been.
We
lose
our
sense
of
the
past,
the
most
visible
evidence
of
our
heritage,
so
the
council
concurred
with
the
findings
of
the
committee
and
the
first
historic
site
preservation
board
meeting
was
held
on
november,
2nd
1981.
B
The
municipal
code
8.05,
of
course,
is
the
rules
to
gain,
and
it
is
of
course,
to
reflect
the
cultural,
social,
economic,
political,
architectural,
archaeological
history
to
stabilize
and
improve
buildings,
to
foster
civic
beauty
and
strengthen
the
local
economy.
And
indeed,
it
has
here,
are
some
of
the
milestones
1981
the
approval
of
the
new
ordinance,
the
first
class
1
building
in
84.,
the
first
historic
district
in
86
in
88,
the
creation
of
the
historic
combining
zone
overlay
in
88,
the
first
revision
of
8.05
reducing
seven
classes
to
three.
B
In
97,
the
commercial
council
approved
the
first
millsack
contract
for
the
kaufman
residence
in
2009.
We
were
recognized
under
the
preserve
america
program
by
the
president
and
first
lady
in
2014
palm
springs,
achieved
certified
local
government
status
with
the
state
historic
office
of
historic
preservation
in
2014.
We
also
saw
revisions
of
the
parking
ordinance,
giving
incentives
for
historic
structures.
B
We
also
saw
an
update
to
the
cut-off
date
for
class
3
from
1945
to
1969.,
incredibly
important
in
terms
of
recognition
of
our
vast
mid-century
modern
inventory
of
buildings
in
2015,
the
first
annual
historic
preservation
sympodium.
The
symposium,
which
jade
mentioned
earlier
later,
became
renamed
preservation
matters
in
2015.
The
first
presence
of
the
modernism
week
show
in
2018
ordinance
revisions
that
required
a
demolition
moratorium,
the
first
city-wide
survey
and
context
statement
documentation.
This
is
available
on
the
city's
website
and
it's
an
incredible
compilation
and
story
of
the
city's
development
in
2019.
B
The
first
comprehensive
ordinance
revision
establishing
class
4
status
is
anything
older
than
78
in
2021.
The
city
appointed
its
first
historic
preservation
officer
here
is
a
the
evolution
of
the
historic
preservation
booth
at
modernism
week.
We
later
had
these
banners
that
we've
used
whenever
we
do
public
presentations
for
the
board.
I
will
trump
my
own
horn
here,
a
bit.
B
I've
developed
these
for
you,
of
course,
the
one
on
the
left
is
the
top
of
the
tower
detail
on
the
oasis
hotel
by
lloyd
wright
and
the
one
on
the
right
is,
of
course,
the
many
different
architectural
screen
walls
and
textures
that
you
see
on
buildings
here
in
palm
springs
the
benefits
of
historic
preservation.
You
all
know
this,
so
I'm
preaching
to
the
choir,
but
it's
tax
credits,
mills
that
contracts
can
reduce
tax
property
taxes.
B
They
can
also
look
at
tax
credit
credits
at
the
national
level
if
the
properties
are
also
listed
on
the
national
register.
There
are
exemptions
on
parking
regulations
for
commercial
buildings,
a
huge
incentive
in
the
downtown
area
where
parking
is
at
a
premium,
prestigious
credentials.
Historic
hotels,
commercial
buildings
are
recognized
by
historic
tourism
organizations
as
historic
or
heritage.
Tourism
continues
to
grow
historic,
neighborhoods,
celebrity
homes,
historic
sites
are
revenue.
Generators
for
photo
shoots,
celebrity
events
tours
during
modernism
weekend
throughout
the
year.
B
What
is
the
future
of
historic
preservation
passing
the
torch
as
robert
ember
said,
educate,
educate,
educate,
foster,
civic
beauty,
economic
development,
tourism
branding
choice,
education,
learning
about
the
place
you
live
makes
living
there
more
interesting
quality
and
pride
of
place.
Authentic,
walkable,
cool
and
palm
springs
is
cool
again
and
saw
its
historic
sites
that
made
it
cool
in
the
first
place.
B
B
Preservationists
must
talk
to
building
owners;
they
must
be
effective,
educators,
persuaders
statesmen,
and
have
to
and
have
a
backup
plan.
Preservationists
must
hear
the
whistle
before
the
train
arrives
before
the
bulldozers
show
up.
They
got
to
get
the
application
submitted
for
hspb
and
city
council
consideration.
B
The
passion
for
great
architecture,
a
sprinkling
of
hollywood
glamour
and
wealth,
the
blessing
of
a
beautiful
natural
setting
and
the
relentless
advocacy
to
preserve
the
history
that
makes
us
unique
and
one-of-a-kind.
So
here
are
your
quiz
questions
like
no
place
else
or
any
place
else.
Entry
sign
a
entry
site
b.
B
I
give
you
a
hint
which
one
is
more
like
palm
springs
like
no
place
else
or
anyplace
else,
molex
department
store
1948
demolished.
It
was
replaced
by
el
mercado
plaza,
it
could
be
any
place
which
says
palm
springs,
saks
fifth
avenue
from
1958
or
saks
fifth
avenue.
That
happened
in
the
1990s,
and
I
would
assert
that's
where
its
inspiration
came
from
not
very
palm
springs-centric
like
no
place
else
or
any
place
else.
B
The
town
country
center
1947
and
at
one
point
when
our
downtown
specific
plan
was
still
being
chewed
around
with
this
was
what
we
were
going
to
get
in
place
of
the
town
and
country
center,
which
of
course,
has
become
not
only
a
class
with
historic
site,
but
I
believe
it's
now
listed
on
the
national
register.
B
Last
quiz
question
in
1923,
pearl
mcmanus,
commissioned
lloyd,
wright,
architect
and
son
of
frank,
lloyd,
wright
to
design
the
oasis
hotel
considered
at
one
time
to
be
one
of
the
most
beautiful
buildings
in
palm
springs.
Here
is
its
beautiful
dining
hall.
I
believe
this
dining
hall
was
something
like
85
feet.
Long
in
the
early
50s,
the
property
was
sold
and
most
of
the
oasis
hotel
was
demolished
to
make
way
for
the
oasis
commercial
building,
which
is
also
now
a
class
one
historic
site.
B
Pearl
mcmanus
saved
the
adobe
home,
built
by
her
father
judge
john
mccullum
in
1884,
which
is
now
in
the
village
green
on
palm
canyon,
the
oasis
hotel
tower
and
the
attached
set
of
hotel
rooms
and
a
few
of
the
retail
spaces.
Fronting
palm
canyon
drive
were
spared
the
wrecking
ball
and
are
now
class
one
historic
site
number
10..
B
Well,
fortunately,
pearl
moved
that
too,
it
still
exists
at
the
village
green
park,
which
is
part
of
it,
serving
as
a
former
ice
cream
shop
in
2018.
At
the
recommendation
of
the
city
of
the
hsb,
the
city
council
added
the
dining
room
to
the
oasis,
hotel,
landmark
designation
and
for
anybody
had
been
in
the
former
aguacaliante
cultural
museum,
which
was
in
the
part
of
the
old
dining
hall.
You
have
seen
this
extraordinary
complex,
scissor
truss
design
that
lloyd
wright
created
at
the
crossing
of
the
dining
room.
B
A
Wonderful
that
was
so
great
ken,
so
is
that
on
on
a
website,
is
that
is
that
accessible
that
powerpoint
or.
B
Not
it's
not
accessible.
I've
used
it
in
different
presentations
that
I've
given
orally
it's
a
little
hard
to
just
throw
up
on
the
website,
maybe
with
some
additional
captioning
or
something
I
completely
make
it
available
through
the
hyperlinks
on
on
the
hspb
web
web
page.
A
A
No,
but
you
did
really
good
so
so
thank
you
for
sharing
that
with
us.
It's
very
meaningful
and
thought-provoking
and
compelling
and
and
exciting
and
entertaining.
B
There
was
a
time
a
while
ago,
when
modernism
week
was
just
in
its
infancy
and
they
came
to
me
and
they
were
saying
you
know
ken
I
mean
we've
got
people
coming
from
austria
and
we've
got
people
coming
from
new
zealand
and
we've
got
people
coming
from
france
and
doesn't
the
city
council
care,
and
I
said:
no,
they
don't
how
much
money
is
it
bringing
in
how
many
hotel
rooms.
B
How
many
dinners
at
spencer's,
how
many
trips
up
the
tram,
give
us
that
information
tell
us
the
money?
That's
coming
in
from
this
thing
called
modernism
week
and
they
went
to
the
city
council
at
one
of
their
meetings
and
they
said
here's
all
the
numbers
and
here's,
the
dollar
signs
and
the
city
council
sat
up
and
took
notice
and
modernism
week.
As
you
know,
now
is
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
are
bringing
cultural
heritage,
tourism
and
those
tourists
that
spend
a
lot
of
money
here
at
palm
springs.
A
Good,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
So
much
so
now
now
we're
gonna
go
on
to
board
board
members
comments
on
on
the
agenda,
so
vice
chair
nelson.
E
Thank
you,
kelsey
I'll.
Try
to
keep
this
brief,
I'm
actually
not
going
to
bring
up
three
of
the
things
I
was
going
to,
because
I
can
email
them
to
ken.
But
thank
you
for
that
video
presentation.
If
you
could
email
that
each
one
of
us,
maybe
whatever
it's
completely
finalized,
that
would
be
helpful
to
have.
There
was
some
dates
on
there
that
I
wanted
to
scribble
down,
but
it
went
by
too
quickly.
Okay,
so
I
think
the
two
questions
that
I
do
want
to
ask
about.
E
One
for
staff
is
there
were
two
or
three
items
on
our
work
plan
from
last
year
that
we
settled
on
a
year
ago
that
we
did
not
get
to
for
a
number
of
reasons
that
are
obvious
to
me
anyway.
So
I
was
just
wondering
if
we
were
gonna
keep
on
those
two
or
three
that
we
didn't
get
around
to
or
we're
gonna
have
to
add
those
to
the
upcoming
book
plan
for
the
next
season.
B
You
know
this
year
has
been
extraordinary.
B
You
know
I
was
honored
with
the
promotion
to
hpo,
and
then
I
got
promoted
to
principal
planner
and
I've
been
carrying
two
jobs
for
the
past
almost
year,
and
it's
meant
that
I
have
not
been
able
to
give
attention
to
things
that
need
my
attention
on
all
these
things
that
we
do
with
respect
to
preservation.
I
have
not
turned
in
the
certified
local
government
annual
report,
which
is
due
back
in
march,
which
is
what
makes
us
eligible
for
grant
submittals.
B
I
had
met,
as
I
think
I
shared
with
you,
with
hugh
captor,
regarding
working
on
getting
a
nomination
together
for
the
golf
course
clubhouse
building
that
he
built
that's
top
of
my
list
to
try
to
pull
that
forward.
I
think
it's
I
would
say
there
might
even
be
some
urgency.
B
You
know
he
is
is
in
his
90s
now,
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
happen,
while
he's
still
with
us
the
normal
work
plan
that
we
would
have
done,
I've
just
simply
had
no
time
to
put
some
gray
matter
toward
it.
I
think,
because
we
do
have
a
lot
of
a
couple
of
things
that
are
still
on
the
work
plan,
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we
carry
that
forward
for
this
next
year.
B
Yes,
it's
it's
coming,
but
in
all
seriousness
it's
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
stuff,
backed
up
right
now
that
I'm
I'm
hoping
to
get
through.
B
I
will
give
you
a
brief
update
that
we
have
gone
through
some
interviews
and
I
believe
the
city
has
made
an
offer
to
somebody
to
replace
me
in
the
position
of
hpo
and
I
hope
to
have
more
information
for
you
about
that
at
the
october
meeting
related
to
sort
of
things
that
we
would
normally
take
care
of
here
at
the
september
meeting
or
even
july
is
the
election
of
officers.
We
normally
should
have
taken
care
of
this
in
july
and
we've
simply,
I
have
not
had
time
to
put
that
together.
E
Any
other
only
because
so
many
people
in
the
community
have
cussed
me
about
it,
and
I
know
that
it's
still
moving
through
the
channels
and
it's
going
to
come
back,
but
the
airport,
so
the
whole
branding
thing.
E
Clearly,
the
western
facade
is
part
of
a
class
one
designation
and
there
were
some
photo
renderings
in
that
packet,
that
city
staff,
our
city
manager
packet,
and
it
clearly
showed
some
of
the
western
facade
where
you
entered
the
airport,
to
go
to
the
you
know
the
trucking
desk
and
security,
and
it
showed
the
brand
the
proposed
branding
on
the
front
of
the
building.
So
I
just
wanted
to
find
out
some
stuff
will
this
come
back
to
the
board
at
some
point.
B
I
did
communicate
with
the
individuals
at
the
airport
who
put
together
that
initiative,
and
I
did
remind
them
that
the
front
of
the
building
is
a
historic
designated
site,
both
again
at
the
national
and
local
level,
and
that
the
ordinance
does
require
all
things
related
to
alterations
to
that
facade
must
come
before
the
hspb,
including
signage.
E
B
I
think
the
11th
is
the
correct
date
there
is.
There
was
an
error
under
the
historic
preservation
link.
I
believe
to
the
you
know
what
we
refer
to
as
the
schedule
of
all
the
meetings
and
historic
preservation
for
october
is
october.
11Th.
A
Yeah
and
I
I
was
going
to
announce
that
so
so.
Thank
you
because
I
did
know
the
meeting
date
had
been
rescheduled.
You
know
from
our
regular
you
know
to
to
to
that,
and
so
there
was
a
note
about
that.
So
so,
if
we
don't
have
any
other
further
discussions.
B
May
I
just
double
check
chris.
Do
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to
add
in
terms
of
staff
member
comments.
C
Sorry
multiple
mute
buttons,
nothing
for
me
this
week,
but
but
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
participate
in
my
first
meeting.
Looking.
A
This
meeting
of
the
historic
site
preservation
board
is
adjourned
at
7
48
to
the
meeting
of
tuesday
october
11th
2022
at
5
30,
and,
as
previously
noted,
this
is
a
rescheduled
date
from
from
the
regular
to
from
the
regular
that
was
the
first
tuesday.
It's
now
on
the
second
for
that
month.
Only
so
thanks
to
all
for
participating.