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A
So
welcome
everybody.
This
is
the
sustainability
commission
standing
subcommittee
on
waste
reduction.
It
is
december
3rd
at
2
o'clock
we
have
commission
members,
rob
mccann
roy
clark
and
lonnie
miller
and
staff
members,
patrick
telerico
and
dan
degarmo.
We
do
not
have
any
members
of
the
public
here
today,
so
we
shall
continue.
A
I
think
we
covered
it
all
there.
So
why
don't
we
go
ahead
and
get
started
again.
This
is
mostly
an
updated
meeting,
but
I
did
have
one
additional
new
item
that
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
which
I
will
get
to
when
we
get
there.
So,
let's
first
run
through
some
of
our
updates.
The
park
trash
can
and
recycling
container
efforts.
A
So
I
did
meet
with
rob
about
last
week
the
week
before,
where
we
went
through
the
list
of
containers
in
ruth
hardy
park
that
we
audited
earlier
this
year
and
we
did
come
up
with
kind
of
a
list
of
action
items
for
those
containers,
and
so
I
will
be
taking
a
look
at
that
and
trying
to
move
it
forward
with
our
maintenance.
A
Folks,
as
soon
as
I
can
do
that,
I
did
reach
out
to
them,
rob
and
ask
them
about
the
the
blue,
the
blue
barrels,
and
to
see
if
we
could
get
the
maker
of
that
so
that
we
could
get
lids
to
that,
and
so
I
have
not
heard
anything
back
from
them.
Yet
on
that
so
more
to
follow
on
that,
did
you
have
anything
more
on
that
that
topic.
B
Just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
got
the
modified
version
of
the
spreadsheet
I
sent
you
last
week
with.
I
did.
Okay,
as
I
say,
it's
not
optimal,
because
they're
not
all
arranged
right
at
the
top,
but
but
they
are
separated
now
by
action.
Item
right,
good.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
we'll
keep
moving
that
forward.
I
don't
have
any
updates
for
us
on
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
improvements
I'll
continue
to
coordinate
with
our
engineering
folks
on
that
to
see
when
those
engineering
studies
might
get
underway
and.
C
A
Yeah
so,
like
I
mentioned
last
time,
the
the
the
there
are
three
studies
that
southern
cop
socal
gas
has
to
do:
to
assess
the
output,
the
potential
output
from
the
flare
and
so
that
they're
progressive
studies.
So
we
just
need
to
start
the
first
one
so
that
they
can
it's
a
kind
of
a
feasibility
assessment,
and
so
they
do
that
and
then
they
can
move
on
to
the
next
study.
So
so
that's
really
what
the
next
thing
that
we
need
to
do
and.
D
A
D
A
Right
so
the
the
plan
would
be.
I
believe
that
what
we
would
do
is
we
would
feed
it
into
the
gas
line
that
is
nearby
and
then
it
would
be
sold.
So
it
would
sort
of
work
like
the
your
solar
on
your
house,
so
you're
generating
something
and
you're
putting
it
into
the
grid,
and
then
people
buy
renewable
energy
credits,
and
in
this
case
it
would
be
cng
credits
and
then
our
stuff
could
be
sold
through
that
system,
because
the
other
element
to
that
conversation
was
that
we
needed
to
find
buyers
for
that
gas.
A
D
I
see
your
point,
but
if
you
look
at
paris
and
their
biogas
to
cng
plan,
they
are
going
directly
into
the
vehicles
right
under
pressure,
and
that
is
a
win-win
situation
for
the
city
right
not
having
to
go
through
southern
california.
Edison.
A
Right,
I
will
ask
him
if
that
is
part
of
that
study,
and
if,
because
there
was
some
interesting.
D
A
D
Is
that
dawn,
yeah
dawn,
okay,.
A
And
because
there
was
also
interest
from
palm
street's
disposal
services
to
utilize,
some
of
that
cng
as
well
exactly
and
they
were
talking
about-
and
I
think
it
was
just
a
question
of
capacity
and
the
basically
the
steadiness
of
the
flow.
So
so
let
me
let
me
follow
up
with
him
to
see
if
that's
part
of
that
investigation,
so
so
look
at.
D
So
basically,
our
model
for
this
for
cng,
going
into
psds
trucks
is,
is
the
same
as
the
code
generation
going
into
palm
springs
vehicles.
D
D
B
A
Sure
so
let
me
arrange
a
follow-up
with
don
and
and
we
can
maybe
have
that
conversation.
D
That
would
be
great
and,
and
anybody
else
that
he
might
recommend
that
he
who
may
be
more
involved
with
the
code
generation.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
he's
involved
in
the
cogen
or
who's
in
charge
of
that
one,
so
I'll
ask
how
to.
A
A
A
A
All
right,
okay,
well
I'll,
follow
a
bit
done
and
see
if
we
can
set
up
a
conversation
about
see,
maybe
it'll
light
a
fire
too
under
the
studies,
nice.
Okay,
all
right
any
other
questions
about
that.
A
All
right,
neighborhood
challenge!
I
don't
have
any
updates,
that's
not
getting
any
traction
and
we
might
kind
of
renew
that
effort
in
the
new
year.
I
think,
but
but
yeah
there
hasn't
been
much
much
response
on
that
disposable
food
where
again
nothing
new
on
that
front
either,
and
then
the
mandatory
organics
and
recycling
ordinance
again
nothing
new
it
passed
and
it's
it'll
be
in
place
in.
I
believe
it's
30
days
from
the
last
council
meeting
so
probably
mid
mid
to
late
december,
downtown
trash
and
closure
efforts.
A
We're
continuing
to
talk
with
the
folks
that
use
that
that
enclosure
facility
that'll
just
be
an
ongoing
conversation.
I
don't
know
that
there's
anything
that
this
group
needs
to
do,
although
it
does,
is
sort
of
an
interesting
experiment
and
exercise
in
trying
to
get
people
to
comply
with
organics
requirements,
because
they
are
some
it's
a
very
interesting
little
mix
of
restaurants.
A
So
you've
got
thai
thai
house,
which
is
teeny,
tiny
and
you've
got
palm
frite,
which
is
a
little
bit
bigger
and
then
you've
got
the
village
which
is
much
larger
and
kind
of
a
different
clientele
and
so
and
then
the
fisherman's
folks,
which
is
a
little
retail
little
restaurant
so
anyway,
so
there's
this
is.
A
This
will
probably
be
a
pattern
like
there's
some
initial
enthusiasm
and
interest,
and
then
it
just
sort
of
goes
away
because
there
they
fear
they
realize
what
goes
into
it
and
it's
hard,
and
so
I
think
that's
that's
kind
of
the
place
where
right
now
is
that
they're
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
manage
that
process
in
inside
their
restaurant
and
also
outside
in
the
container
so
anyway,
so
that
I
need
to
kind
of
circle
back
with
them.
I
had
another
call
with
them
last
month
just
to
touch
base.
A
Not
a
lot
of
them
showed
up
on
that,
and
so
so
anyway.
So
we
just
need
to
keep
at
it
and
make
sure
that
they're
doing
what
they
need
to
do,
and
hopefully
they
can
provide
us
with
some
lessons
learned
too
just
to
help
us
help.
Others
make
this
easier
down
the
road.
I
think
a
couple
things
that
I
noticed
so
far
is
that
one
is
the
the
organics
containers
that
they
use.
A
They're
they're,
just
like
mini
versions
of
the
trash
and
recycling
containers
for
the
household
pickup,
is
that
they
can
only
be
filled
three
quarters
full,
but
there's
no
indicator
on
there.
That
says
only
fill
to
here
or
whatever.
So,
unless
you're
really
talking
to
people
and
in
their
face
all
the
time,
then
either
that's
going
to
get
totally
full
and
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
pick
it
up
or
they're.
A
You
know
it's
just
it's
just
not
going
to
work
right,
so
so
I'm
going
to
suggest
to
psds
that
they
start
marking
those
containers
with
a
fill
line,
because
otherwise,
again
it'll
get
lost
in
the
communication
within
within.
A
Yes,
exactly
something
super
bright,
super
obvious,
yep
yep,
so
so
anyway,
so
that
work
continues
and
actually
I'm
gonna
start
a
conversation
with
the
businesses
that
operate
on
arenas
that
share
a
dumpster
or
share
a
container
behind
like
black
book
area.
So
so
it's
like
chill
bar
and
black
book
and
game
art,
and
I
think
one
other
one
there
so
so
anyway,
so
they
have
a
similar
situation
so
and
then
sort
of
actually
it's
on
the
next
one
on
that
on
the
next
one.
A
In
terms
of
just
generally
organics
and
recycling
compliance,
I
have
been
sending
out
letters
to
businesses
so
so
for
those
businesses
that
generate
less
than
a
half
a
cubic
yard
of
stuff
so
places
that
are
like
storage
units
that
don't
really
have
any
landscaping
and
don't
really
have
much
going
on.
They
get
a
letter
like
this
that
just
basically
asks
them
to
sign
off
to
verify
that
they
don't
generate
a
half
a
cubic
yard
of
organics
and
they
have
been
actually
pretty
good
about
getting
back
to
us
on
that.
A
So
I've
got
about
50.
I
think
responses
so
far
out
of
about.
I
think
I
sent
about
80
or
so
100
of
those
so
about
halfway
there
and
then
other
businesses
got
the
longer
normal
letter
that
we
send
out,
which
is
super
dense
now
with
all
of
the
different
requirements
in
it.
A
A
Actually
more
of
them
have
been
going
directly
to
psds,
so
we'll
continue
to
track
that,
and
hopefully
people
are
starting
to
get
into
that
habit
because
we
need
to
do
that
regularly
with
everybody
each
year,
so
hopefully
they'll
get
into
that
habit
of
getting
getting
that
information
back
to
us
and
we
encourage
everybody
to
send
us
back
responses
via
email
so
that
we've
got
their
email
now
so
that
we
can
hopefully
dispense
with
some
of
the
paper.
So
yes
right.
C
A
Sure,
absolutely
not
all
of
this
yep
and
then
the
other
thing
which
was
sort
of
interesting
is
that
so
cdag
has
a
technical
working
group
on.
I
think
it's
on
waste
and
recycling,
or
something
like
that.
But
one
of
the
primary
topics,
of
course,
is
organics
and
we
had
somebody
from
burtec
on.
A
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
been
telling
people
with
our
telling
people
with
with
regard
to
their
organics
container
is
that
they
can
put
stuff
in
plastic
bags
and
those
plastic
bags
are
ripped
open
when
they
get
to
the
facility
and
then
those
bags
are
thrown
away.
So
what's
that.
D
We
who's
who's,
told
them
that
palm.
A
A
So
one
of
the
things
I
was
thinking
about
yesterday
was
that
maybe
what
we
need
to
do
is
work
with
psds
to
have
them
provide,
like
can
like,
like
three
gallon
containers,
just
like
buckets
with
a
lid
to
each
restaurant
so
that
they
put
their
stuff
in
those
buckets
and
then
they
could
either
put
the
buckets
out
for
collection
or
they
could
accumulate
the
buckets
and
put
the
buckets
out.
A
You
know
whenever
the
regular
collection
comes
in
or
they
could
take
them
out
and
dump
them
in
there
dump
them
in
their
regular
bin.
So
I
think
we
have
to
think
harder
with
psds
about
that
process
because
which
related
to
the
first
thing
I
said,
which
is
that
when
we
had
this
technical
working
group
meeting
yesterday,
burtec
was
on
there
and
they
were
saying
no.
We
do
not
want
your
plastic
bags.
A
We
do
not
want
that
stuff
in
plastic
bags,
and
so
it
was
very
interesting
conversation
because
that
is
not
consistent
with
what
chris
had
been
told
by
bertek
palm's
pump
desert
was
on,
and
palm
desert
said
exactly
the
same
thing,
that
this
was
not
consistent
with
what
they
had
heard
either
and
what
they
were
telling
people.
So
there's
a
lot
of
miscommunication,
I
think
about
that
process,
and
so
I
think
we
need
to
nail
that
down.
A
Burtec
was
going
to
go
back
and
just
kind
of
verify
that
what
you
know
what
they
said
was
correct
and
then
they're
supposed
to
get
back
to
us,
but
but
but
I
thought
it
was.
It
was
really
interesting
because
palm
desert
was
in
the
same
situation
like
no.
You
told
us
that
we
could
use
plastic
bags
and
that
this
is
making
this
a
lot
easier
and
now,
if
we
have
to
go
to
just
directly
in
the
bin,
it's
going
to
make
it
a
lot
harder.
A
So
anyway,
so
it's
a
it's
a
very
complicated
situation
and-
and
it
just
reinforces
how
not
ready
we
are
for
all
of
this
1383
stuff
so
anyway.
So
we
just
need
to
really
work
on
that
over
the
next
few
months
to
to
really
get
that
process
down
before.
We
start
really
really
pushing
it
on
everybody,
because
because
you
know,
if
we
we
go
down
a
path
and
we
switch
directions
on
people
and
then
we
switch
it
back.
Then
that's
not
going
to
be
helpful,
so
yeah.
A
In
so
chris
was
basically
passing
a
long
wait.
He
had
gotten
from
bertac,
which
was
that
burtec
would
accept
stuff
in
plastic
bags
for
their
at
their
organic
site,
and
so
so
he
was
basically
passing
along
that
message
and
saying
yes,
let's,
let's
do
this
as
a
you
know,
as
we
try
to
roll
this
out
so
so
anyway.
So
it's
it
sounds
like
that
is
not
going
to
be
the
case
and
which
was
what
I
was
a
little
bit
afraid
of,
and
so
I
think
we
just
have
to
think
harder
about
how
we
do
that.
D
Kind
of
things
I
mean
I
don't,
I
haven't
seen
these
kitchen
waste
containers
that
psds
has
yet,
but
I
can
tell
you
riverside
county,
has
done
a
lot
in
this
area,
having
just
gone
to
that
rifco
conference
and
and
there's
no
place,
that's
using
plastic
bags,
there's
not
a
country
who
is
doing
that
who's
so
far,
out
of
us
that
they're
already
collecting
from
the
households
and
from
the
downtown
metropolitan
areas,
and
they
have
these
cool
miniaturized
containers
with
lids
that
close
and
you
use
your
foot
to
open
them
and
then
it
closes.
A
Yeah,
that's
what
I
think
we
need
to
implement.
I
think
it
would
be
more
convenient
for
the
restaurants
too,
in
the
sense
that
you
could
have
a
container
out
and
be
working
with
it
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
night
you
just
close
it
up,
and
then
you
maybe
get
the
next
container
out
in
the
morning
and
it's
not
taking
up
a
ton
of
space
so
so
yeah.
A
D
A
A
That
would
be
great
if
you
yeah,
if
you
even
just
contact
raider
broadside
county
and
get
a
picture
of
what
they
use,
that
kind
of
thing
yeah
yeah.
That
would
be
really
helpful.
I
mean
I
know
when
I
was
in
arlington.
We
had
a
service
that
did
it,
but
it
was
a
private
sector
service
and
they
had
those
three
like
two
or
three
gallon
tubs
with
a
lid
that
closed
on
them
and
they
just
picked
them
up
curbside
twice
a
week
so
once
a
week.
C
D
Having
you
know
like
crumbs,
left
in
the
bottom,
you
know
you,
you
tilt
them
upside
down,
you
bring
them
back,
and
it's
just
like
your
your
your
garden
waste
from
your
yard
that
can
get
smelly,
but
it
doesn't
usually.
A
Right,
I
think
the
only
concern
with
the
food
waste
is
that
it's
stickier
and
wetter,
and
so
there's
more
of
a
concern
that
it's
gonna
contaminate
the
container,
and
so
I
think
that
the
the
ideally
what
they
would
do
is
they
would
come
and
switch
out
your
your
container.
Yes,
you
know,
give
you
a
new
one.
D
A
All
right,
so
that
was
it
on
that
front.
So
I
have
outreach
on
our
our
list
here.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
need
to
be
doing
more
of
going
forward
is
outreach
and
one
of
the
things
that's
going
to
happen,
probably
at
a
regional
level
or
a
coachella
valley.
Wide
level
is
more
outreach
related
to
1383..
A
So
I
think
that
we
may
end
up
seeing
a
little
bit
more
of
that
and
we'll
certainly
be
engaged
in
that
the
development
of
that
going
forward,
but
but
that
that
campaign
needs
to
probably
start
early
next
year
to
start
preparing
people
mentally
for
for
what's
coming
and
then
the
other
thing
was.
I
we'll
also
be
doing
outreach
here
this
month
and
next
month
on
this
sustainability
scholarship
program.
A
So
now
that
we've
updated
the
city
website,
we're
posting
information
up
there
about
the
sustainability
scholarship,
and
so
hopefully
we
can
promote
that
to
businesses
to
get
them
to
get
some
help.
In
terms
of
some
of
these
things-
and
just
on
that
note-
I
mentioned
this
to
roy
yesterday.
A
Not
sure
perceived
racism
behind
the
leaf,
blower
ordinance,
which
is
not
necessarily
accurate,
but
but
it
has
been
raised
as
an
issue
by
by
some
people,
and
so
because
most
of
the
gardeners
are
latino.
So
one
of
the
things
that
it
did
make
me
think
about.
That's
okay
was
that
we
had
in
our
sustainability
scholarship
program.
A
Kind
of
this
tiered
system
that
I
mentioned
at
the
commission
meeting
is
a
thousand
dollars
for
businesses
to
do
more
structural
things
like
lighting,
retrofits
or
whatever,
and
then
750
for
people
to
do
to
do
waste
and
management
services
and
containers
and
reusable
containers,
and
things
like
that,
and
then
500
is
basically
for
the
gardeners.
A
So
on
the
surface
that
looks
like
not
such
a
great
thing,
because
the
gardeners
get
the
least
amount
of
money,
but
the
logic
behind
that
was
that
there
is
another
state
program
that
actually
gives
them
a
lot
of
money
for
electric
lawn
equipment
so,
but
that
won't
people
won't
necessarily
make
that
connection.
And
so,
even
though,
that's
intellectually
probably
the
right
thing
to
do,
it's
it
doesn't
look
very.
It
doesn't
look
good
from
from
an
optics
perspective.
A
So
I
think
we're
going
to
move
in
that
direction
and
I'm
going
to
send
a
note
out
to
the
whole
commission
just
to
let
them
know
about
that,
and-
and
so
so
that's
that's
the
plan
for
that,
and
hopefully
that'll
that'll
generate
some
interest
on
the
part
of
businesses
to
do
more
on
the
material
side,
so
maybe
get
away
from
polystyrene
get
some
reusables
in
there
and
move
to
organic
so
that
that,
because
they'll
have
a
chance
to
get
it
paid
for
so
so
anyway.
A
So
I'm
hopeful
that
that
that
is
enough
incentive
for
people
to
move.
Although
again
with
the
announcement
today
about
the
shelter
in
place
for
three
weeks,
I
don't
know
if
you
know
how
much
attention
they're
going
to
be
paying
to
stuff
like
this
in
the
near
future
anyway.
So
again,
we're
sort
of
back
in
back
in
the
throes
of
covid,
and
you
know
this
frustrating
situation
where
we
can't
really
make
a
lot
of
progress
without
taking
a
step
back.
So
so
anyway.
Yes,
lonnie.
D
So
we
kind
of
skipped
through
the
1383,
but
I
did
I
get
the
wrong
impression
when,
when
you
were
talking
about
it
and
did
you
happen
to
say
getting
the
word
out
over
the
throughout
the
coachella
valley.
C
A
Yes,
so
the
technical
working
group
is
a
committee
of
this
of
seabag
and
it's
all
of
the
coachella
valley
governments
are
represented
and
that
group
meets
sporadically,
although
I
think
it
will
meet
most
pretty
much
quarterly
here.
Probably
next
year
I
was,
I
was
elected,
the
vice
chair
of
that
that
working
group,
which.
A
A
little
more
in
the
loop
on
in
terms
of
scheduling
things
so
but
anyway,
but
that
is
a
group
made
of
my
counterparts,
basically
in
each
of
the
different
cities,
and
so
you
know
again,
we
have
the
large
the
the
bulk
of
the
responsibility
for
getting
the
word
out
about
this
stuff.
So
so
again,
we're
looking
to
see
bag
to
potentially
hire
some
contract
support
so
that
they
can
develop
some
messaging
and
do
some
billboards
and
things
like
that.
So
that's
radio
ads
stuff
like
that.
C
A
I
did
not,
I
was
talking
about
it
on
in
terms
of
just
organics
recycling
compliance,
but
it's
it's
all
related.
Yes,.
A
So
so
yeah,
so
that
should
be
an
exciting
thing,
and
I
know
that
I
have
heard
the
ads
on
the
radio
from
I
think
it's
indio
or
india
or
indian
wells.
One
of
those
has
actually
a
really
good
recycling
ad
on
the
air
that
I've
heard
a
couple
times,
and
I
thought
I
thought
to
myself.
Oh
I
wish
that
they
would
have
just
included
us
on
that
because
I
would
have
said
the
same
thing
so
anyway,
wow
yeah,
so
this
is
a
chance
to
do
that.
A
All
right,
so
we're
on
to
the
actually.
Let
me
just
do
1383
planning,
yeah
right.
C
Before
we
leave
outreach
who's
expecting
to
talk
about
the
scholarship
program
at
the
council
meeting
next
thursday.
A
I
will
check
to
see
if
I
am
able
to
do
that,
and
so
I
I'm
assuming
that
I
will.
That
is
my
hope.
A
Yeah
that's
the
plan,
so
let
me
just
close
with
the
1383
planning
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
rob.
So
we
need
to
move
forward
rather
quickly
on
our
franchise
agreement,
update
and
so
I've
been
talking
internally
and
and
we're
bringing
on
a
consultant
to
assist
us
in
that
process
to
help
kind
of
facilitate
that
process
with
palm
springs.
A
Disposal,
services
and
the
plan
is
to
kind
of
work
together
to
develop
the
scope
of
the
new
agreement
so
that
they
can
go
back
and
assess
their
potential
costs
and
we
can
assess
our
potential
costs
and
so
that
we
can
put
together
an
updated
franchise
agreement.
So
that's
really
the
first
thing
that
we're
going
to
do
and
then
I
think
in
tangent
to
that
or
in
tandem
with
that,
I
think
we
could
probably
start
the
development
of
our
new
ordinance
that
will
implement
1383
too.
A
So
all
of
that's
going
to
be
moving
forward
in
the
spring,
so
probably
starting
in
january
in
earnest,
that'll
that'll
be
happening.
So
yeah
that's
going.
C
Forward
roy
and
then
lonnie
is
there
a
potential
for
changing
the
rates,
specifically
what
the
city
gets
paid
per
ton,
because
the
cost
of
administering
this
program
is
going
to
be
higher.
Yes,.
A
So
there
is
basically
what
the
state
is
allowing
or
I'm
not
sure
if
they're
allowing
or
encouraging
or
requiring,
but
they
have
talked
about
a
1383
fee.
A
So
they
are
basically
have
that
as
an
allowance
in
the
the
law
that
says
that
each
city
can
can
issue
a
fee
for
1383
compliance,
and
so
that's
really
part
of
what
we
would
be
focusing
on
is
to
figure
out
how
much
additional
effort
we
think
it's
going
to
take
to
do
this
and
to
meet
with
businesses
and
all
that
I
and
quite
honestly,
I
think
it's
like
a
full-time
person.
A
Honestly,
it's
between
me
and
whoever
I
hire.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
full-time
job
to
make
all
of
that
happen
between
the
education
and
outreach
component,
the
enforcement
component
and
just
the
overall
oversight
of
the
paperwork,
which
is
pretty
tremendous.
I
think
all
of
that
is
basically
a
full-time
person.
So
that's
what
I
would
probably
be
eyeing
in
terms
of
our
costs,
in
addition
to
like
administrative
fees
and
like
you
know,
letters
and
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff
that
we
need
to
do
to
implement
so
so
yeah.
A
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
fairly
significant
and
yeah.
So
that's
that's
what
I'm
buying.
A
Yeah-
and
I
think
it's
really
just
a
question
of
how
we
divide
the
level
of
effort
between
us
and
and
palm
springs
disposal
services
so
depending
on
what
they
take
on,
because
actually
the
other
interesting
thing
that
was
interesting
to
hear
on
that
call
the
other
day
from
burtec,
because
vertec
manages
the
other
city's
waste.
So
most
of
those
other
cities
hire
burtec,
and
so
they
do.
A
They
have
like
technical
programs
and
and
workshops
for
some
of
the
businesses,
and
they
do
a
lot.
They
seem
to
do
a
lot
more
technical
outreach
to
the
businesses,
although
palm
street's
disposal
does
that
also,
it
seems
like
they
maybe
have
a
more
robust
program.
A
Although
again
you
just
you,
don't
know
exactly
what
it
is
you're
hearing
versus
what
it
is
on
the
ground
so
but
anyway,
but
those
are
kind
of
the
kinds
of
things
that
we'd
like
to
make
sure
get
incorporated
into
the
new
franchise
agreement
to
make
sure
that
all
of
that
stuff
is
happening,
whether
it's
by
them
or
by
us.
So
we
need
to
think
about
that.
D
So
this
is
what
troubles
me
about
this
whole
situation
is
where
I
mean,
obviously
with
what
you're
talking
about
has
to
be
done,
but
what
we
still
haven't
resolved
yet
is
that
we
are
not
able
to
compost.
D
A
bit
of
a
problem,
because
we're
going
to
all
of
this
effort
and
psds
is
taking
our
wet
waste,
our
food
waste
to
a
place
that
is
not
properly
composting
and
there's
not
a
single
place
in
the
coachella
valley
that
does
real
composting
accepting
for
of
horticultural
waste,
and
even
that
is
just
mulched.
It's
not
composted
by
any
way
shape
or
form,
and
so
what
do?
Why
are
we
even
calling
it
composting?
In
fact,
you
know
this
composting
grant.
Here
I
mean
that's
just
like
a
that's,
not
even
what
we
want
to
be
doing.
D
You
know
if
they
want
to
do
something
like
that
in
their
backyard.
I
don't
know
what
it
is
they're
supposed
to
be
demonstrating,
but
we
have
some
critical
features
of
the
desert
that
we
are
not
facing
up
to
sure
we
can
give
it
to
psds
and
psds
can
give
it
to
whatever
the
name
of
that
place
is
on
the.
A
D
Basically,
it
was
a
compost
seminar
not
last
summer
but
the
summer
before,
and
there
are
two
real
composters
here,
but
they're
not
really
doing
composting
of
food.
So
if
we're
talking
about
wasted
food,
there
is
no
composter
in
the
coachella
valley.
That
is
doing
that
now
this
one
that
that
I've
heard
talked
about
near.
D
Them
hill
there
supposedly
is
one
there.
I
would
like
to
see
that,
because.
A
A
So
I
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
new
one
that
they're
just.
A
A
Excuse
me
earlier
this
week
all
they
talked
about
which
is
coachella
valley,
compost,
which
is
a
little
down
valley
which
handles
the
food
waste,
but
they
did
not
talk
about
a
new
one,
and
so
I
need
to
check
with
chris
to
see
what
he's
heard
about
that
facility.
D
D
You
know
this
is
the
one
that
chris
for
as
long
as
they've
been
taking
stuff
there,
which
has
probably
been
going
on
a
year
now
he
still
sees
the
same
citrus
rhymes
that
are
trying
to
decompose
there.
I
mean
you
know
it's
kind
of
a
joke,
because
it's
not
really
being
handled
as
compost.
You
have
to
turn
it
there's
a
lot
of
mechanics
involved
and
the
reason
why
sa
doesn't
want
to
do
it
is
because
people's
waste
is
so.
D
D
D
A
Right
well-
and
I
this
gets
at
the
bigger
question
of
what
is
going
to
be
accepted
and
how
in
our
system,
so
I
and
I've
talked
to
chris
about
this,
and
so
it's
unclear
still.
I
think
whether
or
not
the
food
waste
can
be
combined
with
yard
waste
and
sent
off
or
if
we
are
going
to
have
to
keep
the
food
waste
separate
from
yard
waste.
So
so
again,
I
think
that
that
that
question
is
still
out
there
in
terms
of
how
we
are
going
to
manage
both
of
those
things.
A
I
think
there's
still
an
impression
right
now,
and
it's
certainly
written
in
the
law,
that
that
gives
the
impression
that
everything
goes
into
one
bit.
Yeah.
C
A
Organic
goes
into
one
bin,
but
again
I
just
don't
know
if
that
is
how
people
process
it
and
I
don't
think
it
really.
A
Well,
at
some
facilities,
but
that
you
know
the
ones
that
are
making
compost
just
out
of
food
waste.
I
think
all
they
want
is
food
waste.
So.
D
No,
no,
they
want
food
waste
and
then
they
want
fat
well,
believe
it
or
not.
What
what
you
they
don't
want
to
have
in
the
sewage
treatment
plant
they
do
want
to
have
an
anaerobic,
because
that
ups,
the
the
amount
of
gas
you
can
produce
sure
sure-
and
so,
like
you
know,
in
paris,
but
when
it
when
their
level
gets
to
whatever
it
needs
to
get
to
they
go
out
and
find
some.
Some
french
fried
places
get
let's
get
more
fat
going
here.
So
we
can
boost
this
up
because
they
make
more
money
right.
A
C
A
All
right,
let's
see,
rob,
I
think
you
are
next
with
the
downtown
trash
all
right
I
will
did
you
want
to
share.
Did
you
want
to
shout?
Let
me
see
if
I
can
do
that.
B
And
I
think
I
need
to
click
on
share
screen
and
that
does
it.
Oh,
no,
it
says:
host
disabled
participant,
screen,
sharing.
A
A
B
Okay,
I'm
going
to
try.
Actually
I
don't
want
to
go
to
presenter
view.
This
will
do
fine,
so
I
actually
prepared
this
today,
assuming
that
chris
and
his
employee.
What's
her
name,
I
can't
remember
liz
that
they
would
be
on
so
you
you
guys
have
seen
this
because
I
presented
it
at
the
meeting
last
month.
B
But
what
this
slide
then
captures
is
patrick
sent
me
the
latest
versions
of
the
signs
that
have
been
created
and,
and
so
what
so,
what
we
have
here
is
a
gap
between
what
the
research
is
showing
us
and
what
the
signs
as
they're
currently
designed,
are,
are
going
to
show.
B
The
signs
are
positive
things
they're
all
this
is
what
we
want
you
to
put
in
the
the
correct
receptacle
and,
of
course,
what
we
found
is
people
are
confused
about
the
these
categories:
plastic,
drink
cups,
plastic,
food
accessories
and
paper,
drink
cups
and
when
they
have
the
choice
of
putting
them
in
one
or
the
other
they're
putting
them
in
both
like
kind
of
almost
randomly,
because
you'll
see
that
there's
equal
amounts
of
plastic
food
accessories
in
the
recycle,
bins
and
in
the
trash
bins.
A
B
Yep
anything
plastic,
the
plastic,
clam
shells,
the
platinum
which
are
plastic,
food
containers,
some
utensils,
plastic
utensils
and,
and
then
there's
another
one
that
I've
got
actually
in
my
candidate
sign
that
I'll
show
you
so
so
what
our
research
shows
is.
That
is
that
we
need
to
do
some
more
work
on
the
signage
and
we
need
to
to
plug
this
gap.
I
think.
D
C
B
B
A
Well,
actually,
more
importantly,
none
of
those
plastic
cups
that
are
used
at
any
of
those
downtown
locations
are
recyclable
period.
Okay,
yeah,
unfortunately,.
A
B
B
So
yeah,
so
so
I
think
the
numbers
again
we
we
we
just
can't
go
there
with
and
and
we
and
it
would
be,
you
know
small
returns.
If
we
don't
do
it.
D
B
C
B
So
so
here's
now
so
what
I've
done
here
is
taken
patrick's
generic
sort
of
design,
which
I
really
like
and
and
then
run
it
through
a
powerpoint
option,
which
is
not
as
pretty
as
what
you
guys
have
there's
not
as
many
little
artistic
features
to
it,
but
but
what
we
have-
and
what
I
want
to
ask
you
guys
about
today
is
is
a
real
design
dilemma
and
I
don't
have
a
good
answer
for
it.
So
I'm
just
going
to
present
the
two
options
that
I've
been
thinking
of.
B
One
of
them
is
that
we
put
two
signs
up
around
the
recycle
containers.
We
don't
need
them
around
the
trash,
because
people
know
not
to
put
clearly
recyclable
items
into
the
trash.
That's
another
part
of
what
we
discovered,
but
but
they
do
need
them
for
recycle.
So,
in
addition
to
to
the
recycle
one
here,
you
know
the
one
that
shows
you
what
we
do
want
you
to
put
in
here's
one
that
shows
what
we
don't
want
you
to
put
in
and
and
notice
the
the
the
design
sort
of
concept.
B
Here
is
it's
we,
we
need
some
way
of
showing
so
and
patrick.
I've
got
some
new
photos
here,
because
I
took
them
myself
so
so
lonnie
up
in
the
left-hand
corner,
there's
a
good
example
of
a
plastic
container
with
you
know:
contaminated
food.
Here's
a
paper
cup
that
I
deliberately
took
because
it's
been,
you
know,
discolored
by
the
the
hot
chocolate
or
the
coffee
or
whatever
that
was
in
it,
the
plastic
cups
and
then
plastic,
lid,
straws
and
utensils.
B
There's
the
food
accessories
we
were
talking
about
earlier,
and
but
but
the
design
philosophy
for
this
slide
is
notice.
It's
it's.
It's
saying,
don't
put
it
in
recycle
right
and
that's
that's
what
I
try
to
capture
with
these
mobius
symbols
with
the
red
line
through
them.
Don't
put
them
in
here,
put
them
in
the
trash
instead
that
the
little
indicator
up
here
yeah.
B
So
so
that's
one
option
for
how
to
do
this,
but
there's
another
one
which
is
here
and-
and
this
is
my
dilemma
so
in
this
option
we
instead
of
front
and
center
is
don't
put
something
in
the
recycle.
Bin
and
kind
of
you
know
having
a
repellent
area
around
the
recycle
bin.
Instead,
it's
trying
to
guide
them
where
it
should
go.
C
B
B
I
don't
know
whether
this
is
the
best
way
or
not,
with
the
mobius
symbols
with
a
line
through,
but
anyway,
if
we
go
so
so
the
final
concept
that
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
to
have
the
one
yes
put
this
stuff
into
the
trash
container,
the
sign
for
that
and
then
have
these
two
for
the
recycle
containers
and-
and
I
have
no
idea
whether
they
should
be
separately
sized
the
way
I've
got
it
here.
It's
just
again,
I'm
trying
to
emphasize
that.
B
They
don't
know
not
to
put
these
things
in
so
I'm
you
know
where
we
go
from
here.
I
I
asked
jim
my
partner
about
this.
What
he
thought
of
the
two
different
designs,
he
says,
I
have
no
idea,
and-
and
personally
I
really
don't
either
I
don't
have
a
good
insight
into
which
one
would
be
the
superior
way
to
go.
D
Well,
I
have
a
gut
reaction,
and
that
is
it's
not
it's.
You
know
the
na
the
whole
idea
that
putting
a
big
red
line
in
your
previous
slide
for
the
no
recycle
trash
only
and
yeah
okay.
So
I'm
not
offended
by
that.
In
fact
it
confirms
by
golly.
I
knew
it
wasn't
to
be
recycled.
I
knew
it
was
supposed
to
go
in
the
trash,
and
so
that
makes
me
feel
wonderful
that
I
got
it
right.
D
B
B
Interesting,
that's
a
really
interesting
sort
of
perspective
on
it,
yeah
that
and
and
you're
assuming
that
that
would
guide
you
over
to
to
throw
them
into
the
the
trash.
That's
right
beside
the
yeah,
and
I
mean
that's,
that's
very
possible.
C
B
C
D
B
B
A
I
have
an
alternative
suggestion,
so
I'm
trying
to
think
simply,
and
so
I'm
also
trying
to
use
our
beautiful
design.
A
So
what
I
was
thinking
is
that
you
would
keep
the
recycle
it
thing
down
below
here,
but
above
it
in
big
round,
you
know,
do
not
do
this.
Things
have
the
symbols
of
each
of
the
things
that
we
don't
want
them
to
put
in
there,
so
that
is
actually
in
between
where
you
would
throw
stuff
and
the
message
about
what
goes
in
the
container
is
actually
what
not
to
put
in
the
container.
A
So
does
that
make
sense,
so
you
would
have
a
big
red
band
across
the
top
of
that
recycle.
It
thing
with
all
of
the
things
that
you
don't
want
in
there,
so
it
sort
of
does
elevate
the
message
about
what
not
to
put
in
here
versus
before
you
even
see
what
to
put
in
there
but
which
again,
I
think,
people
probably
just
look
right
past,
because
they
know
that
they're
gonna
put
their
bottle
in
there
yeah.
A
C
D
A
Exactly
and
and
they
would
be
red,
so
they
would
stand
out
in
in
a
different
color
than
than
what's
below.
A
A
Because
the
the
one
down
below
feels
too
complicated
to
me
that
that
no
recycle
trash
only
that
feels
a
little
bit
too
complicated
to
me.
I
would
want
the
red
things
around
the
actual
products
just
to,
because
you
have
to
have
there's
basically
three
steps.
Your
eye
has
to
go
through
for
that
one
yeah
versus
just
going
to
oh,
I
shouldn't
do
that.
A
So
if
you
like
that,
what
I
can
do
is,
I
can
have
our
guide
just
put
that
together
for
us
and
because
what
we
could
do
is
use
the
use.
You
can
either
send
me
those
pictures
that
you've
got
rob
or
I
can
use
the
the
things
that
we've
got
for
the
trash
icons.
A
B
Yeah
yeah
and
I
don't
I
don't
think,
they're
optimal
because
the
the
background,
for
example,
I,
like
the
one
I
took-
of
the
food
inside
the
plastic
sort
of
clamshellish
container,
but
it
was
kind
of
taken
against
a
dark
background
and
I
don't
know
whether
that's
optimal,
but
I'm
not
much
of
an
artist
right.
But
I
I
can
certainly
send
these
yeah.
A
B
A
B
Okay,
well,
patrick,
can
I
pass
this
off
to
your
artists,
or
are
you
asking
me
to
to
continue
with
because
I'm
not.
A
Yeah
right-
and
I
can
share
that
with
you
guys
and
then
then
kind
of
based
on
our
findings-
I'd
really
like
to
roll
kind
of
some
of
this
out,
and
so
what
we
could
do
is
make
kind
of
temporary
signs.
If
we
wanted
to
do
that,
we
could
the
metal
ones
actually
aren't
that
expensive.
So
we
could
do
a
round
of
those
and
kind
of
have
them
so
that
we
could
put
them
onto
the
container
and
cut
them
off
if
we
needed
to
or
change
them
or
whatever.
B
A
B
D
So
I
really
like
that
paper
cup
and
I
really
like
the
plastic
food
containers
and
if
it
if
in
any
way
the
graphic
goes
back
to
looking
like
these
little
pristine
plastic
containers,
it's
gonna
not
make
it.
I
like
this,
it's
somehow
it's
gotta
be
the
same
stuff.
You
know
the
same
plastic
or
paper
or
whatever.
C
B
D
B
Okay,
yeah,
it's
a
really.
It
was
a
bad
paper
cup,
and
so
I
I
fished
it
out
of
the
the
container
that's
in
front
of
the
ralph's.
You
know.
B
Okay,
okay,
well
good
job,
all
right.
A
Yeah,
that's
good,
wonderful,
okay!
All
right!
I
don't
have
anything
else
on
the
scholarship
program.
I
already
talked
about
that
composting.
Grant.
I
have
nothing
to
say
about
that.
I
don't
think
we're
pursuing
that
at
this
time.
I
don't
know
that
we
are
able
to
devote
the
resources
that
would
be
needed
to
kind
of
oversee
that
once
implemented.
So
so
I
don't
don't
have
plans
to
move
that
forward
and
then
the
new
business
additional
recycling
programs.
A
So
like
the
kind
that
you
use
in
the
pictures
and
the
kind
that
you
use
they're,
always
in
refrigerators
now
like
they're
everywhere
and
so
apparently
pure
the
water
company,
they
have
a
recycling
program.
If
you
send
stuff,
I
think
you
have
to
send
stuff
back
to
them
or
a
company
called
terracycle,
I
think,
is
the
one
that's
doing
it
and
they
will
recycle
them
and
so
anyway.
A
So
I
thought
that
was
kind
of
an
interesting
idea,
and
I
wanted
to
throw
it
out
there
to
see
if
that
resonated
at
all,
because
he
I
think
he
would
be
interested
in
working
to
kind
of
make
something
happen.
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
it's
something
that
we
might
be
interested
in
in
doing
so,
and
my
my
only
thought
about
it
was-
is
that
they
have
become
they're
they're
everywhere
now.
Is
there
sort
of
like
every
refrigerator
that
you
buy?
A
Pretty
much
has
one
if
it
has
a
water
dispenser,
and
you
know
lots
of
people
use
those.
What
are
they
called
the
water
filter
jugs
in
your
you.
A
D
C
D
A
So
we
did
have
sort
of
a
rush
because
of
the
voting.
We
had
a
lot
more
people
actually
bringing
them
in
with
them
when
they
brought
their
vote,
their
cast
their
vote
and
then
the
fire
station
number
two
has
been
accepting
them,
and
so
we
have
been
collecting
them
from
there,
but
other
than
that.
It's
just
been
the
occasional
from
the
farmers
market
and
that's
pretty
much
it
so.
D
C
D
There's
another
there's
another
organization
that
there
was
a
an
article
in
the
new
york
times
about
it.
In
fact
anybody
who's
interested.
I
should
send
it
to
you
because
it's
it's
a
company
that
recycles
cds.
D
D
So
there's
this
one
guy
who
apparently
was
part
of
the
he
was
one
of
the
inventors
of
cds
that
he
has
a
company
you
can
send
and
he
gets
cds
and
little
tiny
boxes
and
truckloads
and
what
he
does
is
he
breaks
them
up.
He
munches
them
up
until
they're
these
little
fine
crystals
and
then
they
can
be
made
into
other
things.
Like
car
fenders,
I
mean
it's
a
whole
nother
business
and
he's
he's
invested
in
it,
but
people
the
word
hasn't
quite
gotten
out.
D
A
D
A
A
Actually,
yeah
yeah,
I
need
to
meet
with
them.
They
yeah
so
okay,
so
send
me
that
and
I'll
send
that
around
and
if
there's
anything
else
like
that
that
people
have
kind
of
on
their
minds.
I
I
think
that
battery
recycling
program
is
was
a
good
indicator
for
us.
There's
that
there's
probably
pent
up
demand
out
there
for
certain
things.
A
A
A
Yeah,
we've
got
a
little
bit
of
that
on
there,
and
certainly
we
could.
We
could
expand
that
with
places
that
people
could
take
certain
things
that
are
special
so.
C
About
is
books,
considering
all
the
retirees
in
palm
springs
that
careers.
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
books
in
palm
springs.
In
fact,
I
have
physics
books
that
are
50
years
old,
but
are
you
keeping
those
I'm
going
to
keep
certain
once
once
in
a
while?
I
like
to
look
up
certain
things,
but
the
library
doesn't.
D
C
A
So
so
the
way
that
the
library
handles
it
is
they
send
all
of
the
books
that
they
no
longer
use
to
the
friends
of
the
library
and
then
the
friends
of
the
library
distributes
them.
If
they're
wanted
and
then,
if
they're
beyond
kind
of
use,
then
they
will
recycle
the
paperbacks
and
get
rid
of
the
other.
A
Yeah
so
yeah,
so
those
would
be
good
things
because
and.
C
A
And
I
mostly
say
this
because
I
feel
like
we
with
all
of
the
requirements
that
are
coming
down.
I
feel
that
we
need
to
be
continuing
to
offer
service
and
be
of
service,
so
we
need
to
be
kind
of
at
the
same
time
we're
hitting
people
over
the
head
with
requirements
like
food
waste
management
that
we
have
to
also
be
giving
them
opportunities
to
do
other
things
and
and
kind
of
having
some
positive
messages
out
there
for
for
stuff
that
we're
doing
as
well.
So
so
anyway.
A
So
that's
that
that
was
my
thought
on
that.
So
I
think
we
should
think
a
little
harder
on
those
those
items
and
I
think
the
miscellaneous.
D
I
see
an
article
yeah
desert,
sun
and
you
know
they're
losing
a
lot
of
their
writers
right
and
I
could
see
roy
and
I
joining
forces
there
and
we
could
even
put
a
plug
in
for
the
sustainability
commission
that
you
know
would
be
interested
and
we're
down
in
our
numbers
or,
however,
you
want
to
put
it
we're,
not
desperate
or
anything.
But
you
know
what
I'm
saying.
C
D
A
Right
so
so
anyway,
so
yeah,
so
I
I
think
I'd
like
to
do
something
more
with
that
and
again,
if
we
this,
if
we
want
to
do
something
with
that,
the
water
filters
too,
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
willing
member
of
the
public
who
wants
to
help
us
with
that
too.
C
A
A
Right-
and
so
I
I
think,
maybe
a
little
more
research
into
that
would
be
helpful
and
then
the
other
component
of
that
is
that
it's
on
it's
not
all
one
brand
right
like
the
batteries,
are
fine
because
they're
all
kind
of
the
same
thing,
even
though
different
people
make
them
they're
all
made
of
the
same
thing
and
so
water
filters.
I
I
think,
sort
of
fit
that
category.
They
have
like
a
plastic
case
and
then
they
have
the
carbon
filters
inside.
A
So
so
again,
I
think
that's
it's
a
similar
concept
and
if
somebody's
not
doing
it
would
be
great,
maybe
we
could
work
with
the
ihub
to
see
if
there's
something
that
we
could
do
with
them
to
kind
of
do
something.
An
innovative
business
model.
C
C
D
D
C
D
Yeah,
that's
that's
going
to
be
her
first
thing
and
apparently
what
they
do
is
they
get
they
contract
with
private
to
clean
up
do
a
lot
of
the
cleanup,
but
then
they
they
they
work
side
by
side
with
toxic
waste.
Of
course,
imagine
all
those
all
that
all
the
particles,
the
plastic
particles,
so
they
bought,
and
they
you
know,
do
the
work
with
toxic
waste.
D
That's
going
to
be
her
first
priority,
that's
6,
500
square
miles
and
5600
houses
and
then
what
she's?
What
you're
talking
about
roy
is?
D
You
know
the
our
recycling
of
of
plastic
bottles
cans
where
you
can
get
5
cents
or
10
cents,
depending
how
large
they
are
that
whole
recycling
thing
has
fallen
to
pieces,
and
you
know
the
last
of
those
private
companies
really
went
by
the
wayside
last
year,
so
what
they,
what
they?
What
she
wants
to
do
is
to
build
that
help
to
build
that
economy
so
that
the
beverage
companies
are
taking
that
stuff
back
breaking
it
up,
doing
whatever
they
need
to
do
to
make
it
recyclable
and
if
they
can't
recycle
their
own
products.
D
If
they
can't
recycle,
to
make
containers
for
their
own
products,
then
they're
going
to
have
to
make
it
recyclable
so
that
another
product
can
be
made
and
then
again
it's
you
know
these
plastics
are
going
to
be
around
for
longer
than
I
am
and
they're
you
know.
There's
all
kinds
of
things
that
can
be
done
and
all
it
takes
is
a
little
creativity
and
what
better
time
for
it.
D
A
Nothing
here,
all
right
and
dan
tells
me:
we've
had
500
pounds
of
batteries
recycled
since
july.
It's
awesome,
that's
pretty
good
great
yeah,
all
right!
So
that's
all
I've
got
and
we
will
adjourn
for
now
and
I
will
send
out
those
couple
items
lonnie.
If
you
want
to
send
me
that
article
I'll
send
it
out
with
the
letters.
D
Okay
and
when
you
can
get
a
hold
of
stacy
and
don,
we
can
talk
about
what
what
how
they
get
gas
to
be
used
from
the
cogeneration
plant.
How
it's
good.
A
Yeah
I'll
figure
out
who
the
good
person
is
to
talk
to
on
the
code
gen
and
talk
to
don
about
the
the
next
steps
with
the
voice
water
treatment
plan.