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Palm Springs Historic Site Preservation Board Meeting - July 6th, 2021
B
Welcome
it
is
5
30
pm
and
I
am
calling
the
july
6
2021
meeting
of
the
historic
site
preservation
board
to
order.
Please
silence
any
cell
phones
or
barking
dogs
or
whatever.
C
Yes
good
evening,
madam
chair,
remember,
rosa
now
here
member
rose
is
not
here
yet
looks
like
right.
B
B
B
Very
good,
so
we
want
to
welcome
stephen
rose
when
he
does
appear,
but
in
the
meanwhile
can
we
thank
member
dixon
for
her
past
service
over
the
many
years,
always
bringing
wonderful
questions
and
and
good
insight
into
all
the
projects
and-
and
we
want
to
thank
linda
and
please
join
me,
others
and
thanking
linda
for
your.
You
know:
wonderful,
wonderful
service.
It's
been
a
delight,
we're.
B
Yes,
well,
it's
been
an
exciting
time
for
me
to
serve
two
years
on
the
hspb
board.
The
staff
former
board
members
and
this
current
board
has
really
taught
me
a
lot
about
preservation
and
I
truly
appreciate
the
passion
and
the
commitment
by
both
board
and
staff
and
their
efforts
to
continue
to
protect
palm
springs
past.
B
B
B
Super
so
may
we
please
have
the
staff
report
on
the
posting
of
the
agenda.
B
Okay,
okay,
bye,
okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
mr
miller
and
a
second
by
mr
kaiser.
Is
there
any
discussion
seeing
none?
I
call
the
question
all
in
favor.
Please
say
I.
I.
B
And
any
opposed
so
motion
passes
six
to
zero.
B
Okay,
so
public
comment
this
time
it's
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
preservation
board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter
of
this
board.
Although
the
historic
fight
preservation
board
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
B
There
will
be
three
minutes
assigned
for
each
speaker.
Testimony
for
public
hearing
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
hearing.
Mr
lyon,
has
anyone
requested
to
comment
on
a
non-public
hearing,
item
or
an
item
that
is
not
on
today's
agenda.
C
A
Hi
everybody.
Yes,
I'm
representing
the
palm
six
modern
committee,
an
agenda
item
4a
regarding
the
security
national
bank.
It's
an
extremely
important
mid-century,
modern
building
that
was
built
in
59
by
mr
wong,
and
we
really
strongly
support
the
idea
that
the
hspb
take
it
into
consideration.
C
If
anybody
else
who
is
here
in
the
in
the
meeting
right
now,
who
does
wish
to
speak,
would
you
please
turn
your
camera
on.
C
A
A
We
just
want
to
confirm
that
we're
going
to
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
at
when
the
4a
comes
up
on
your
agenda.
B
B
I'll
move.
Okay!
Thank
you.
Second,
I
have
a
motion
by
member
rosa
now
and
a
second
by
mr
nelson,
and
is
there
any
discussion
about
the
minutes.
A
B
C
Yes,
madam
chair,
there
is,
I
will
briefly
summarize
the
staff
report,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report.
This
is
a
building
that
was
built
and
designed
in
1962
by
renowned
architect,
william
cody.
The
home
reflects
the
post-world
war
ii
period
in
palm
springs
and
is
a
notable
example
of
the
work
of
cody.
C
C
The
analysis
of
this
particular
project
against
the
criteria
for
historic
designation
begins
a
new
staff
report
on
page
four
and
there
it
is
identified
that
the
the
site
primarily
qualifies
because
it
reflects
the
mid-century
modern
period
in
palm
springs,
which
is
under
criterion
three.
C
It
also
represents
a
very
distinctive
characteristics
in
terms
of
its
method
of
construction.
As
noted
in
your
staff
report
on
page
four
cody's
early
work
reset
resembled
some
of
his
experience
when
relative
to
like
a
taliesin
type
of
organic
architecture,
which
you
can
see
in
his
del
marcos
hotel
at
goldberg.
C
However,
he
took
a
completely
different
departure
and
was
really
at
the
time
when
he
was
beginning
to
really
play
with
the
idea
of
extreme
thinness
and
the
structural
elements
of
the
building,
and
this
particular
building
would
not
have
been
possible
for
this
kind
of
very
thin
roofline
expression
without
bringing
in
the
material
of
steel
in
order
to
carry
those
spans
with
such
a
very
thin
roof
profile.
So
the
identifying
characteristic
on
this
for
criterion
4
is
that
it
embodies
a
particular
distinctive
method
of
construction.
C
It
also
is
identified
under
criterion
five
as
a
significant
piece
of
work
by
master
architect,
william
cody,
beginning
on
page
seven
of
the
historic
resources
report,
cody's
architectural
career
has
been
documented.
His
work
was
very
influential
and
his
first
independent
work
in
palm
springs,
as
noted
was
the
del
marcos
hotel
in
1947.
C
There
are
many
other
buildings
that
we
see
in
the
desert.
The
horizon
hotel
springs
restaurant,
which
is
now
demolished.
The
el
dorado
country
club,
racquet
club
cottages,
west,
the
abernathy
residence
also
1962,
the
tramway
shell
gas
station.
The
glass
house
referred
to
as
the
camino
norte
house,
saint
teresa's
catholic
church
and
the
palm
springs
public
library
center,
which
was
done
in
1973
his
work.
C
It
does
not
identify
any
others
in
the
report.
Only
those
three.
The
analysis
of
integrity
begins
on
page
five
of
your
staff
report
and,
as
noted
in
these
various
categories,
also
onto
page
six
and
seven,
this
building
does
possess
a
very
high
level
of
architectural
integrity
and
historic
integrity.
The
design
is
pretty
much
as
you
would
have
recognized
it
from
1962.
C
It
is
acknowledged
on
page
six
of
your
staff
report
on
the
back
side
of
the
home.
There
have
been
some
modifications
made,
including
an
addition
to
the
master
bathroom
and
which
the
finishes,
however,
on
the
exterior
are
matching
that
of
the
existing
facade
in
2020.
There
was
a
unique
glazed
corner
window
also
put
into
that
backside.
That
was
reflected
in
the
construction
drawings,
but
with
the
current
owner
they
were
able
to
make
that
corner
with
a
buttless
frame
kind
of
glass.
C
In
addition,
an
addition
made
I'm
sorry
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
home
expanded
one
of
the
bedrooms.
However,
most
of
the
alterations
as
noted
are
minimal
and
their
impact
has
not
adversely
affected
the
integrity,
so
the
home
does
retain
a
high
degree
of
historic
integrity.
C
On
page
seven
we've
listed
what
are
the
character
defining
features
of
this
particular
property?
The
non-contributing
features
which
have
been
identified
are
the
various
additions
to
the
home,
which
are
documented
through
building
permits
and
the
record
that
we
have
in
the
historic
resources
report
the
landscaping
and
the
fountain
at
the
entry
adjacent
to
the
cardboard.
C
That
concludes
my
staff
report.
Robert
imboden,
who
is
the
author
of
the
historic
resources
report,
is
here
and
can
speak
further
to
this
particular
project.
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have,
and
this
is
a
public
hearing.
B
E
Yeah
yeah,
thank
you
sherhoff.
I
just
have
two
or
three
minor
things
that
I
found
on
the
staff
report.
The
first
item
is
on
page
five
and
eight,
the
first
paragraph
third
center.
E
When
speaking
about
cliff,
may,
I
believe,
instead
of
saying,
building
and
designer
you
should
simply
say,
building
designer
the
and
is
erroneous.
Thank
you
and
then
on
page
seven
of
eight
under
defining
historic
characteristics.
E
Item
six.
The
word
planar
is
probably
most
likely
spelled
with
an
a
rather
than
an
e,
and
maybe
a
planar
instead
of
planar
and
just
a
question
under
non-contributing
elements
is
the
reason
why
the
pool
was
not
included.
C
No
there's
no
reason
why
the
pool
wasn't
included.
There
was
a
pool
in
that
location.
This
is
a
replacement
pool
that
has
been
oriented
in
a
different
way,
but
there
was
a
pool
there,
so
it
could
be
added
to
the
non-contributing
if
you
wish.
Yes,.
E
Okay-
and
one
last
thing
before
it
opens
up,
is
that
the
applicant
had
mentioned
during
the
hspb
members
site
visit
that
they
were
interested
in
having
the
marker
at
the
end
of
the
carport
so
probably
somewhere
closer
to
the
house
rather
than
on
the
wall
facing
the
street,
just
to
invite
people
to
get
a
little
closer.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
of
clarification.
C
B
Any
other
question?
Okay,
so
seeing
no
further
questions
of
the
staff,
I
will
open
the
public
hearing
and
I
understand
the
applicant
would
like
to
speak.
So
I
would
like
to
welcome
robert
amboden
to
to
speak.
Is
there
anything
else
you'd
like
to
tell
us
about
your
application
or
the
property?
B
Please
give
your
name
and
your
address
and
you
have
10
minutes
to
present
and
two
minutes
of
rebuttal
if
desired
after
public
comments.
So
may
I
welcome
you,
mr
amboden.
A
Yes,
thank
you
and
thank
you
to
the
commission
for
hearing
this
item
this
evening.
I
I
don't
have
a
long,
formal
presentation
to
give
to
you.
I
think
that
mr
lyon's
staff
report
did
a
pretty
good
job
of
of
outlining
everything
that
was
included
in
the
report,
and
it
sounds
as
though
all
of
you
were
able
to
make
it
up
to
the
house,
and
certainly
I
think
you
feel
the
the
the
the
significance
of
that
property
just
by
visiting
it
alone.
A
A
As
ken
outlined
the
house
is
it's,
it's
not
unique
within
cody's
work.
Certainly,
there
are
other
properties
that
are
similar,
but
this
very
streamlined
international
style,
very
formal,
the
the
thin
very
thin
thin
nature
of
the
house
is,
is
undoubtedly
pronounced
in
this
house
and,
I
think,
exposes
a
very
unique
time
and
moment
within
cody's
career.
So
I
I
do
think
that
it's
worth
the
the
city
to
to
recognize
that
and
to
do
anything
we
can
to
to
help
preserve
that.
A
B
Any
any
other
names
mr
lyons
have
been
submitted
to
speak
on
this
or
not.
No,
no,
okay,
seeing
no
further
speakers
on
this
item,
then
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
now
the
action
is
with
the
board
for
discussion,
and
I
see
that
mr
rose,
yes,
ken.
I.
C
Wanted
to
just
acknowledge
that
stephen
rose
has
joined
us
stephen
welcome
to
the
hspb
and
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
inform
the
board
that
stephen
did
receive
the
packet
and
he
has
received
the
historic
resources
report
for
the
goldberg
residents,
so
the
only
thing
that
he
was
not
able
to
participate
in
because
his
nomination,
an
appointment
was
just
made
last
week
is
he
was
not
able
to
actually
visit
the
site.
C
B
So
mr
rose
undo
your
mute
undo
your
mood
and,
on
behalf
of
the
board
like
to
welcome
you
officially
to
this
meeting
and-
and
I
didn't
know
if
you
wanted
to
say
a
word
or
two
about
yourself,
your
background.
So
we
are
all
acquainted
with
you
just
for
just
a
moment.
G
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Thank
you,
mr
rose.
So
now
the
action
is
with
with
the
board
on
the
goldberg
residence,
and
I
would
like
to
ask
if
they're
further
discussions,
questions
comments
of
anybody,
member
hanson
yeah.
I
just
have
a
question.
I
agree
with
board
member
nelson
that
the
pool
should
be
non-contributing.
Do
we
need
to
include
that
in
the
motion,
or
will
it
be
included
just
by
virtue
of
this
discussion.
C
B
E
Being
done
I'll
go
ahead
and
make
the
motion
yep,
if
that's
okay,
so
I
found
that
the
conference,
the
preservation
board,
make
the
formal
motion
to
nominate
the
resident.
The
goldberg
weather
located
at
2340
southridge
drive
as
a
craftsman,
stroke
fight
with
the
proviso
or
amendment
that
the
pool
will
be
added
to
the
non-contributing
features.
B
A
B
Motion
passes
seven
to
zero,
so
moving
on
to
number
three
unfinished
business,
there
is
no
unfinished
business.
So
let
us
proceed
to
agenda
new
business
item
for
a
city
of
palm
springs
for
possible
historic
designation
of
security.
First
national
bank
located
at
500,
south
indian
canyon,
drive.
C
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
as
noted
in
the
memo
in
your
packet,
this
meeting,
or
this
item
was
considered
at
the
june
meeting,
to
be
added
to
your
annual
work
plan
and
at
the
june
meeting,
the
board
did
vote
to
include
the
security
first
national
bank
on
your
work
plan
for
the
current
year,
identifying
it
as
priority
three
in
the
list
and
moving
the
fire
station
number
four
to
next
year's
or
a
subsequent
year's
work
plan.
C
So
at
today's
meeting
we
would
like
to
have
the
board
give
us
direction
to
initiate
the
processing
of
the
application
for
possible
historic
designation,
including
setting
up
site
visits
of
the
board
to
the
site
and
scheduling
a
public
hearing
of
the
board
to
consider
the
application.
C
C
B
Okay,
you
preferred
this
message
before
we
have
mr
piper
speak
to
us.
Do
you
prefer
to
speak
in
advance.
B
Thank
you.
Okay.
We
welcome
jeff
piper.
You
have
three
minutes.
If
you
would
like
to
share
anything
more
about
the
project
for
the
board's
consideration.
A
I
would
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Just
so
you
know
I
have
dan
wynn,
which
is
another
one
of
the
owners
as
well
with
me.
We
have
just
under
three
percent
battery,
so
we,
this
is
gonna,
go
very
quick
for
us
as
well,
so
we're
gonna
go
from
our
part.
So
for
me
personally,
I
understand
what
you
guys
are
doing.
A
We
talked
to
the
third
party
who
came
with
this
idea
and
they
came
to
us
and
they
said,
are
you
guys
interested,
and
we
said
no
and
it's
not
because
we
have
any
intention
of
doing
anything.
We
just
know
it
sucks
all
the
value
out
of
the
property
and
it
destroys
all
the
things
we've
worked
for
so
because
of
that
we
told
them.
No,
then
they
hand
it
off
to
you
guys.
A
You
are
now
taking
the
third
party's
information,
and
so
we're
just
expecting
that
if
you
guys
are
going
to
go
down
this
path,
that
you
guys
have
to
do
your
own
research
into
this
process
and
make
sure
that
it's
going
properly
and
giving
us
proper
amount
of
time
to
look
at
it
and
see
what
we
can
do
because
we're
100
against
this.
We
have
no
plans
to
do
anything
with
the
property.
But
again
the
value
of
the
property
is
enormously
negatively
affected.
Because
of
what
this
is
going
to
happen
to
us.
A
So
my
lawyers
are
saying
that
you
guys
have
to
follow
your
own
process
and
your
process
is.
The
third
party
cannot
put
forward
a
request
for
a
historical
designation
without
the
without
the
owners
being
on
board,
and
we
are
not
on
board.
So
you
guys,
if
you
guys,
are
going
to
take
this
under
your
own
wing.
You
guys
have
to
spend
your
own
money
and
do
your
own
research
to
do
that
and
then
we'll
see
where
we
go
down
that
path.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
C
C
I'm
saving
the
invest
for
my
retirement,
I'm
against
this,
and
I'm
very
perplexed
by
the
fact
that
a
third
party
would
have
the
authority
and
would
have
a
say
on
something
that
we
absolutely
against.
I
don't
understand
how
this
process
worked,
but,
quite
frankly,
there
should
have
been
more
involved,
involve
us
as
part
of
the
process,
but
we
are
just
I
felt
like
this
is
something
that's
been
jamming
down
our
drones
either.
C
Take
this
or
or
else
I
came
from
a
place
where
I'm
a
first
generation
immigrant
here
I
have
seen
this
many
times
before
in
vietnam
when
I
grow
up
when
the
government
extend
their
authority
and
taking
over
property,
and
I'm
I'm
absolutely
against
it,
and
so
I
respectfully
ask
that
the
boar
take
the
time
and
do
your
own
due
diligence
and
work
with
us
to
come
up
with
a
common
ground
what
this
is
all
about,
but
I'm
absolutely
against
it.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
mr
piper
and
mr
winn,
for
your
your
passionate
comments.
So
we
really
appreciate
your
giving
us
your
comments
and
allowing
us
to
to
review
this
issue
and
and
your
property
and
and
how
meaningful
it
is.
You
know
to
the
city
of
palm
springs.
B
A
And
I'm
sorry,
and
just
so
you
know
when
we
drop
here
in
one
second:
it's
not
because
we're
not
interested
it's
just.
We
have
no
more
phone
battery,
so
we
will
watch
the
whole
video
later
and
then
we'll
discuss
it
with
our
side
as
well.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
consideration
and
thank
you
for
doing.
Hopefully,
the
right
thing.
B
Thank
you,
thank
you,
mr
piper,
so
so
who
would
like
to
speak
first,
member
hanson?
I
I
actually
don't
need
to
speak,
but
I
would,
mr
lyon,
could
you
clarify
this
process
per
the
ordinance
just
to
clarify
for
us
and,
I
think,
also
the
property
owners.
There's,
maybe
a
few
misconceptions
about
how
this
proceeds
from
here
so
I'll.
C
C
As
you
know,
this
initially
was
initiated
by
the
palm
springs
preservation
foundation
and
they
sought
owner
support.
They
were
unable
to
gain
owner
support.
They
approached
the
board
by
writing
a
letter
asking
the
board
to
take
this
on
as
one
of
the
board's
work
plan
priorities,
and
that
is
what
you
did
at
the
last
meeting
now.
C
The
board
at
this
point
has
taken
this
on
and
you've
added
it
to
your
work
plan
and
the
the
motion
that
you
will
take
today
on
this
item.
If
you
choose
to
do
so,
is,
as
I
mentioned
in
our
recommendation,
that's
in
your
staff
memo
in
terms
of
where
the
board
obtains
its
information
relative
to
an
application.
There
is
nothing
in
the
ordinance
that
explains
that
specifically
identifies
from
where
or
from
whom
the
board
may
get
this
information.
C
It
may
be
wise
for
the
board
to
review
the
material
and
substantiate
the
assertions
that
are
made
in
the
report,
but
ultimately
you
will
be
adopting
the
information
in
that
report
based
on
your
findings
that
you
make
about
this
building
at
the
public
hearing.
So
at
this
time
this
is
not
a
public
hearing
and
you
are
not
considering
the
merits
of
this
case
at
this
time.
All
you
are
doing
at
this
time
is
directing
us
to
move
forward
with
the
application
that
you
put
on
your
work
plan.
B
So,
in
terms
of
the
meeting
last
week
today
I
mean
the
word
in
the
recommendation
is
to
formalize,
so
I
think
did:
did
we
not
take
a
vote
last
time
or
how
is
this
process
different
from
what
we
did
at
the
last
meeting.
C
B
So
we're
initiating
the
application
and
and
asking
the
opportunity
to
visit
the
site
to
have
the
opportunity
to
research
and
look
at
it
and
then
and
then
that
would
be
followed.
You
know
with
a
public
hearing
so
there
this
is
just
beginning
the
review
process.
As
I
understand
it
is
that
correct,
mr
lyon,.
G
B
E
Yes,
so
just
one
more
point
of
clarification
for
staff,
because
we
have
made
this
part
of
our
work
plan
we
required-
or
is
it
absolutely
necessary
or
both
to
initiate
a
new
report
that
comes
from
the
city
rather
than
adopting
the
report
that
was
done
by
the
preservation
foundation.
C
E
Great
so,
in
other
words,
we
don't
need
to
expand
any
of
our
budget
to
write
or
research
additional
reports
for
this
particular
property.
C
Well,
it
is
something
that
you
might
want
to
consider
actually
taking
a
look
at
and
doing
potentially
a
further
review
of
the
material.
That's
in
the
historic
resources
report.
That's
been
provided
to
you
to
substantiate
that,
in
fact,
the
findings
and
the
criteria,
evaluations
and
assertions
they're
in
are
factual
and
ones
that
the
city
would
agree
with.
E
Thank
you.
I
have
just
one
more
thing
to
have
the
informational
for
the
board
and
anyone
who's
watching.
The
current
tenant
of
the
building
is
union
bank
and
they
signed
their
lease
in
january
of
2015
and
if
the
10-year
lease,
which
was
up
in
january
of
2025,
so
they
will
be
a
tenant
for
at
least
three
and
a
half
more
years,
just
doesn't
fyi.
B
Very
good,
thank
you.
Any
other
discussion
on
this
matter.
G
B
B
Okay,
very
good,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
mr
rosa
now
in
a
second
by
mr
rose.
Is
there
any
other
discussion
on
the
motion?
G
B
C
Yes,
madam
chair,
thank
you
as
noted
in
your
staff
report.
This
had
been
reviewed
by
the
hspb
for
the
concept
of
placing
the
illuminaire
house
on
the
site
of
the
palm
springs,
art
museum,
which
is
a
class
one
historic
site.
So
the
process
that
you
are
considering
here
is
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
alterations
to
the
site,
which
is
the
palm
springs,
art,
museum
and
class
one
historic
site.
The
project
before
you
is
the
actual
design
development.
C
If
you
will
of
the
sculpture
garden
that
is
proposed
on
the
south
end
of
the
art,
museum's
parcel
it's
in
what
is
currently
the
south
parking
lot
of
the
museum
and,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report
on
page
3,
you
can
see
that
there
are
approximately
27
parking
spaces
that
will
be
eliminated
in
order
to
create
this
sculpture
garden
and
on
the
bottom
of
page.
Three
is
the
conceptual
design
of
the
sculpture
garden.
C
And
the
project,
as
it's
described
in
the
material
from
the
applicant
is
beginning
on
page
five
of
your
staff
report.
The
sculpture
garden
is
approximately
90
to
95
feet
square
surrounded
by
a
44
inch.
High
unpainted
rubbed,
concrete
wall
portion
of
which
is
the
south
wall
is
just
still
existing.
C
The
north
and
south
gates
are
aligned
with
quote
unquote,
driveway
strips,
which
lead
to
the
luminaire
house
garage,
simulating
a
1930s
driveway
the
ground
plane
within
the
perimeter.
Wall
proposed
in
3
8
inch
crushed
rock
with
a
perimeter
walkway
in
an
event,
staging
area
of
standard
gray,
concrete
the
drawings
denote,
the
inner
ground
cover
to
either
be
mojave
gold
or
graphite,
which
is
a
gray
color
between
the
perimeter
wall
and
the
concrete
walkway.
C
C
The
analysis
of
off
street
parking,
I
think,
some
of
the
questions
that
the
board
had
at
your
the
last
meeting,
where
the
concept
of
this
was
considered
questions
about
parking.
So
I
note
that
at
the
bottom
of
the
staff
report
that,
according
to
the
city's
parking
ordinance,
the
palm
springs
art
museum
site
in
order
to
propose
the
location
of
this
sculpture
garden
is
exempt
from
having
to
provide
additional
parking
spaces
for
an
intensified
use.
However,
in
this
case,
the
proposal
is
actually
removing
parking
spaces.
C
on
the
top
of
page
six,
you
will
note
in
1994
the
council
approved
a
planned
development
district
in
which
it
determined
that
146
off
street
spaces
were
adequate
for
the
mix
of
uses
therein
and
in
95
the
council
approved
to
change
the
zone
for
the
museum
campus
from
central
business
district
to
plan
development
number
230,
and
also
noted
in
95
the
museum
added
the
25
000
square
foot
of
gallery
in
other
spaces,
so
that
the
current
total
art
museum
according
to
their
website
has
approximately
124
000
square
feet
of
a
mix
of
uses,
including
galleries.
C
The
museum
store
cafe:
classrooms,
the
90-seat
lecture
hall,
433
seat,
auditorium,
sculpture,
garden,
warehouse
and
offices.
In
addition
to
the
on-site
parking
that
exists,
the
museum
also
has
available
parking
in
the
city's
garage,
which
is
across
the
street
from
the
palm
springs.
Art
museum,
where
there's
over
a
thousand
sparking
spaces
available.
There's
also
on-site
on.
Excuse
me
on
street
parking
spaces
on
most
of
the
public
streets
surrounding
the
museum.
C
The
analysis
of
this
application
and
this
alteration
to
the
site
is
beginning
on
page
six
as
well,
and
there
you
will
see
how
we
have
basically
looked
at
the
possibility
of
how
this
proposed
introduction
of
the
luminaire
house
onto
the
museum
site
may
or
may
not
impact
the
museum
site,
and
certainly
in
terms
of
the
open
space
around
the
museum.
This
does
represent
a
modification
of
that,
but,
as
we've
noted
in
the
staff
report,
we
believe
that
the
museum
is
not
materially
impaired
and
the
historic
defining
characteristics
are
not
affected
and
adversely
affected.
C
C
B
Thank
you,
mr
lyon.
So
I'd
like
to
begin
now
with
questions
that
the
board
would
might
have
of
the
staff,
and
I
would
like
to
begin
with
a
question:
do
we
have
to
have
those
16
parking
places?
B
I
understand
the
numbers
in
your
report
and
that
you
feel
there's
sufficient
parking,
especially
with
the
parking
across
the
street
from
the
public,
the
city's
public
parking
lot.
B
So
the
16-
I
I
don't
know
I
was
trying
to
do
the
math
real
fast,
but
there's
not
very
many
parking
spaces
in
the
south
parking
lot
and
and
I'm
I'm
not
particularly
in
favor
of
having
that
very
small
number
of
parking
between
the
two
buildings
it
to
me.
It's
it's
with
with
this
addition.
It's
it's
a
visual,
noisy
area
for
me,
and
I
don't
particularly
like
having
those
that
small
number
of
parking
spaces
located
between
the
two
buildings
and
within
that
garden.
C
Well,
it's
not
required
to
have
parking
in
the
south
parking
lot
per
se,
but
what
the
goal
of
the
museum's
project
here
has
been
to
minimize
the
reduction
of
on-site
parking
spaces
as
much
as
possible
in
order
to
accommodate
the
sculpture
garden
for
the
illumina
air
house,
we
have
not
done
an
analysis
of
the
project.
If
all
of
the
parking
spaces
in
the
south
parking
lot
were
to
be
eliminated,
we
would
begin
to
have
some
concerns.
C
I
know
it's
only
16
as
you
count,
but
the
museum
with
the
number
of
spaces
that
it
has
does
also,
of
course,
rely
on
street
parking
and
parking
in
the
city
parking
structure
across
the
street.
So
we
believe
that,
while
this
certainly
does
represent
a
reduction
in
terms
of
the
on-site
parking
spaces,
we
would
not
recommend
a
complete
removal
of
on-site
parking
spaces
in
the
south
lot,
because
we
feel
that
there
is
still
a
need
for
parking
and
to
the
extent
that
they
can
accommodate
as
many
as
possible
on
site.
That
would
be
our
recommendation.
F
Mr
lyon,
this
is
tracy
conrad.
Could
I
comment?
Yes,
yes,
hi
hi
herman,
you
know
the
the
idea
of
leaving
the
parking
places
came
out
of
deference
to
the
city.
F
I
don't
know
that
parking,
it
is
the
is
necessarily
the
purview
of
the
hspb,
the
I
think
the
museum
would
be
amenable
to,
and
certainly
the
illuminae
foundation
would
be
amenable
to
studying
what
it
might
be
if
you
wanted
a
further
expansion
of
the
of
the
sculpture
garden
down
the
road
and
a
lot
of
the
reason
why
the
site
design
left
those
parking
places
is
because
they
are
predominantly
handicapped
spaces.
So
can
you
know
mr
lyons?
F
Is
you
know
his
concern
is
is
well
founded
for
that
reason,
and
those
were
that
was
the
rationale
behind
that
site.
The
site
plan.
B
Okay,
are
there
any
other
questions
of
staff?
Member
kaiser.
A
A
F
I'm
delighted,
and
I'm
I'm
very
grateful
that
mr
lyon
invited
me
to
the
meeting
to
be
able
to
answer
some
of
these
questions,
and
I
thank
you
all
very
much
for
your
previous
review
in
last
september.
You
know
the
illuminaire
is
a
sightless
building.
It
was
originally
a
display
house
that
was
inside
a
another
building
and-
and
you
know,
a
hundred
thousand
people
walked
through
it
in
in
this
in
the
time
of
a
month.
F
It
is
not,
it's
never
had
a
site
that
has
been
specific
and
the
museum
desired
to
to
have
the
illuminaire
within
its
orbit.
F
For
obvious
reasons,
because
of
how
important
albert
frey
has
been
to
palm
springs
and
the
museum
in
particular,
and
so
the
idea
of
security
given
what's
going
on
downtown
and
the
intensity
of
other
uses
that
are
surrounding
requires
some
sort
of
security
and
a
limit
of
access
that
when
to
be
to
be
close
to
it,
you
know
with
docents,
rather
than
just
be
able
to
walk
right
up
to
it
at
all
times
of
the
day
or
night,
and
the
architects
that
have
shepherded
this
project
for
30
years.
F
You
know
worked
intensively
on
this
site
plan
and
are
satisfied
with
it.
They
were
very
much
wanted
it
to
be
in
the
orbit
of
the
museum.
You
all
may
recall
from
our
conversation
back
in
september
that
college
of
the
desert
was
also
keenly
interested
in
having
a
luminaire
on
its
west
valley
campus.
So
you
know
I'm
sure
we
could
all
we
could
all
sight
planet
in
various
ways.
This
is
what
the
architects
and
the
museum
have
come
up
with.
B
Okay,
so
it's
understanding
that
you
know
the
wall
and
and
the
three
gates
most
likely
the
gates
would
be
locked.
Perhaps
when
the
museum
is
closed,
so
is
it
sounds
like
the
intent
of
the
walls
and
the
gates
are
are
to
protect
the
the
building
when
the
museum
is
closed.
Is
that
kind
of
a
general
understanding
very.
F
Much
yes
very
much
so
given
the
neighborhood
and
all
of
the
things
that
are
ongoing,
the
museum
has
a
responsibility
to
protect
the
building
and
they
want
to
bring
people
to
it
in
a
way
that
is
curated
to
choose
a
word.
Catherine.
B
And
I
understand
you
know
the
museum's
mission
and
values
to
protect
their
collections
and
while
providing
access
to
the
collections
to
a
collection
on
item,
but
then
yet
protecting
it
and
meeting
the
standards
for
that
as
well.
So
I
understand
that,
are
there
other
points
questions
did
mr
kaiser?
Did
I
see
your
hand
earlier
or
mister.
A
F
Well,
I
would
just
say
if
I
may,
that,
when
we
presented
to
you
in
september,
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
was
granted
and
it
was
a
condition.
Was
it
not,
mr
lyon,
that
we
just
come
back
to
you
with
a
more
finalized
landscape
plan,
and
I
thought
that's
what
we're
doing
now.
C
That
is
correct.
The
concept
of
placement
of
the
house
on
this
end
of
the
museum
campus
was
what
your
certificate
of
appropriateness
granted
in
the
september
meeting
this
meeting
and
the
evaluation
today
is
to
understand
the
actual
design
of
the
sculpture
garden
as
it's
been
designed
and
determine
whether
the
design
of
the
sculpture
garden
is
appropriate
within
the
context
of
the
museum.
E
Yeah
well
we're
on
questions
to
stop.
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
the
earlier
discussion
regarding
parking,
and
I
would
say
I
would
have
to
agree
with
tracy
conrad
about
parking
not
necessarily
being
under
hspb
preview,
although
the
architect's
intent
was
to
have
these
two
open
spaces
on
both
the
north
and
south
side
of
the
building
for
breathing
room
and
for
sight
lines.
E
C
I
am
not
aware
that
this
has
a
requirement
to
go
to
the
planning
commission.
Director
fagg
is
still
with
us
here.
I
don't
know
if
he
has
further
comment
on
that,
but
it
was
not
my
understanding
that
this
needed
further
review
by
the
planning
commission.
E
Yeah,
so
thank
you
for
answering
that
and
if
I
may,
since
I
have
the
floor,
I
have
a
whole
list
of
things
that
I
wrote
now
that
I'm
very
concerned
about
with
this
application.
So
you'll
have
to
bear
with
me
because
I
really
studied
it.
I
went
to
the
site
today
spent
a
lot
of
time.
E
There
walked
around
looked
at
maps
did
everything
I
could
possibly
do,
and
so
I
would
just
ask
a
favor
of
the
applicant
with
conrad
to
just
hear
me
out
on
this,
and
there
are
several
questions
within
each
paragraph.
You
could
just
make
note
of
them
and
then
maybe
give
answers
at
the
very.
D
D
E
Through
the
whole
thing,
so
I'll
start
off,
67
paragraphs,
contrary
to
the
stop
finding,
I
personally
feel
the
existing
rub.
Concrete
wall
on
the
south
side
may
be
construed
as
a
character
defining
feature
centric
math.
It
matches
other
existing
models
on
the
site,
making
it
part
of
the
architectural
language
of
the
original
material
view.
E
E
E
It
is
my
opinion
that,
rather
than
using
all
of
the
same
of
one
plant,
material
needle
plum
might
be
blocked
along
two
sides-
the
west
and
the
south
to
add
more
color,
height
and
interest
on
the
eastern
north
side.
It
would
get
too
much
afternoon,
sun
and
likely
burn,
so
the
artichoke
agave
would
be
better
there
on
the
eastern
north
side
because
on
the
planet
stipulate
either
or
nato
plum
or
artichoke
agave.
I
think
you
could
do
both
depending
on
the
sun
patterns
and
radiant
heat
from
the
wall
next
point.
E
E
What
I
mean
by
outdated
is
that
there's
a
plaque
there
in
the
sidewalk
and
also
a
marker,
both
of
which
say
palm
springs,
desert
museum,
and
it's
talking
about
the
old
context
of
the
museum.
E
E
E
Will
they
both
remain
also
a
large
gumdrop
light
that
is
to
be
removed
in
the
parking
area
where
the
spaces
are
being
eliminated?
Will
that
gum
drop
light
be
saved
and
place
further
to
the
north
to
mirror
the
one
that
will
stay,
and
my
final
point
there's
a
small
matrix
in
the
back
along
the
western
side
near
the
service
entry
to
the
museum
which,
according
to
the
plan,
will
stay.
E
If
that
point
is
going
to
become
an
entry
exit
where
vehicles
as
it
shows
on
the
plan,
those
beams
will
get
crushed
and
create
a
huge
mess.
So
I
would
control
removing
the
tree
or
making
sure
it
kept
pruned
and
cleaned
at
all
times.
E
Furthermore,
is
that
point
of
entry
is
going
to
be
expanded
to
better
accommodate
vehicular
access,
because,
right
now
it
doesn't
look
wide
enough
to
accommodate
a
vehicle
driving
in
and
out
of
that,
and
while
I'm
on
that
note,
it
seemed
troublesome
to
me
that
that
back
area
to
the
west
of
the
90
by
95
plot
is
going
to
be
curved
off
on
the
north
side,
and
it's
only
going
to
have
what
appears
to
be
four
parking
places
which
I
assume
would
be
for
staff
or
docents
or
whomever
working
at
the
aluminum
house.
E
It
seems
very
tight
back
there,
and
I
did
also
note
on
the
west
side
of
that
little
area
that
there's
a
covers
for
drainage,
and
so
that's
why,
in
the
plan
it
looks
like
there's
two
and
a
quarter
parking
spaces
so
that
little
dotted
line
just
behind
the
wall
looks
like
a
drainage
or
that
clover
that
goes
out
to
the
sidewalk.
E
So
that's
everything
that
I
saw
and
wanted
to
bring
up,
and
I
hope
that
the
staff
and
the
applicant
will
appreciate
those
things
and
be
able
to
answer
some
of
my
concerns.
Thank
you.
F
Okay,
I
took
notes
gee
whiz
jade.
I
will
do
my
best
and
then
mr
lions
can
mr
lyon
can
can
correct
me,
but
the
wall
you're
you're
correct
that
it's
drawn
on
the
plan
as
block
and
if
you,
if
the
hspv
wants
us
to
have
it
to
match,
we
can
do
that.
F
You
know
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards
say
that
you
usually
want
to
read
a
difference
between
what
is
new
and
original,
but
we
will
certainly
defer
to
the
hspb's
recommendation
as
per
whatever
your
your
conditions
are
after
this
meeting
in
terms
of
lighting
the
building,
I
think
that
we
certainly
could
light
the
building.
F
Also,
this
falls
under
the
same
idea
that
if
you
want
to
recommend
that
the
building
be
lighted
it,
the
idea
that
it
is
a
sculpture
is
exactly
what
we
are
thinking
and
that
the
museum
would
program
the
remainder
of
the
space
to
have
other
sculptures.
F
But
the
idea
was
that
there
would
be
plenty
of
space
around
it
to
be
able
to
stand
back,
to
be
able
to
appreciate
the
building
from
all
all
facades
of
the
building,
nato,
plum
and
artichoke
agave,
and
the
reason
it's
non-specific
is
because
it'll
depend
on
what
plant
material
we
can
get
and
in
terms
of
the
mesquite
tree,
I
you
know
generally
and
want
to
kill
any
sort
of
tree,
so
we
could
certainly
keep
that
keep
that
in
in
good
trim
repair.
F
The
idea
to
have
some
shade
is
what
from
the
south
is,
is
what
the
planting
plan
is
about,
and
you
know
your
the
hspb's
recommendation
regarding
preference
of
plant
material
is
also
we
would
be
happy
to
accept.
I
agree
with
you
about
the
I
personally
agree
with
you
about
the
semi-circular
seating
and
the
flagpole
thing
that
it's
just
a
kind
of
a
weirdness
that
was
installed
when
they
were
first
thinking
about
bike
paths
all
over
the
city.
I
think
it
dates
to
about
25
years
ago.
F
It's
not
original
I'd,
be
delighted
to
have
your
recommendation
include,
removing
it,
as
would,
I
think,
the
illuminaire
foundation.
I
can't
speak
for
the
museum,
but
if,
if
the
hspb
feels
strongly
that
there
should
be
no
parking
places
over
there,
that
certainly
is
a
recommendation
that
you
could
make
and
we
could
work
with
staff
to
decide
how
the
future
sculpture
garden
would
lay
out,
and
it
would
give
more
breathing
room.
F
It
would
make
it
easier
to
negotiate,
wouldn't
have
to
deal
with
that
opening
in
the
wall
to
provide
vehicular
access
that
you
were
speaking
about
at
the
end
and
in
terms
of
the
decomposed
granite.
Mojave
gold
is
an
excellent
suggestion,
and
you
know
albert
frey
had
light,
yellow
curtains
up
in
the
fray
2
house.
F
He
very
much
liked
desert
colors,
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
gray
myself
and
I
think
we're
trying
to
just
be
simple,
and
we
can
certainly
also
take
your
suggestion
that
there
be
some
color
that
relates
to
the
to
the
organic
and
rich
earth
tones
of
the
museum
itself
and
is
not
in
such
stark
contrast.
I'm
you
know
the
the
building,
obviously
is
aluminum,
so
it
will
provide
its
own
amount
of
contrast.
As
a
sculpture
would
the
lollipop
lights
and
the
gum
drop
lights.
F
We
can
save
and
reposition.
Some
of
this,
you
know,
will
have
to
happen
on
site
as
a
design,
build
kind
of
project
and
because
you
know
you
right
we're
going
to
run
into
some
issues,
I'm
sure,
as
we
try
and
implement
the
plan
and
then
in
terms
of
the
water
drainage,
we've
had
an
extensive
study
about
the
water
that
crosses
the
site
and
also,
what's
underneath
this
parking
lot
and
there
is.
F
F
And
if
I
forgot
anything
tell
me
now,
yeah.
B
Okay,
thank
you
thank
you,
tracy
for
answering
so
so
many
questions,
and
and
thank
you
jade
for
providing
them
for
good
discussion,
and
I
see
some
more
hands
up.
So
mr
miller,
you've
had
your
hand
up
for
a
while.
Can
I
call
on
you.
D
Sure,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Most
of
these
questions
are
for
staff
in
september,
of
course,
member
hanson,
member
rosen
member
and
myself
weren't
on
the
board.
Did
the
board
at
that
time
see
any
sort
of
plan
of
the
proposal,
or
was
it
just
a
sort
of
a
conceptual
idea
discussed
at
that
time?
D
I
just
wonder
if
there's
a
formal
mechanism
or
does
there
need
to
be
a
formal
mechanism
to
do
that
reduction
and
then
just
a
comment
on
sequa
california,
environmental
equality
act
for
those
members
that
might
not
be
quite
so
familiar
with
it.
You've
noted
section
15331
the
historic
resource
exemption,
which
doesn't
seem
to
cover
new
structures.
Although
you
may
take
a
broader
approach
to
that
exemption,
I'm
wondering
if
you
also
might
want
to
look
at
15303
the
new
construction
of
small
structures.
D
D
B
Okay,
thank
you,
mr
lyon.
Did
you
have
any
response
to
any
of
those
that
mr
miller
presented
or.
C
Sure
the
I
I
I'm
remiss
to
have
provided
in
your
staff
in
your
packet
today
what
you
had
reviewed
in
september,
but
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
it
was
a
conceptual
idea
that
the
museum
would
place
this
building
in
this
particular
location.
C
With
regard
to
the
question
on,
is
there
a
mechanism
in
the
ordinances
for
doing
a
reduction
in
parking?
This
is
a
bit
of
an
unusual
case.
We
normally
are
looking
at
a
particular
zone
designation
rather
than
a
planned
development
district
designation.
C
So
when
the
museum
was
originally
developed
and
evaluated
by
the
council
in
the
mid
90s,
when
the
pd
was
placed
on
this
particular
parcel,
they
made
the
determination
and
I
was
not
able
to
find
anything
in
the
historic
city
council
minutes
as
to
how
they
came
to
the
determination
that
that
was
an
appropriate
number.
I
suspect
it
was
really
the
maximum
number
of
spaces
that
could
be
accommodated
on
the
site
based
on
the
parking
design
standards
of
the
city's
ordinances.
C
So
there
is
not
a
specific
mechanism
that
I
would
call
to
your
attention.
Other
than
generally,
if
we
were
looking
at
something
where
there
was
a
request
for
a
development
to
occur
in
which
the
parking
was
less
than
required
by
the
ordinance.
We
would
typically
look
at
something
like
a
variance
or
what
is
called
an
administrative,
minor
modification
to
consider
or
evaluate
a
reduction
in
parking
that
would
be
required
as
a
result
of
a
development
application
with
respect
to
seqa.
We
identified
this
because
it
is
an
alteration
to
a
historic
resource.
A
I
think,
because
this
has
become
such
so
big
in
this
parking
lot.
I
think
it
would
behoove
the
board
to
do
what
we've
done
in
the
past
and
put
together
a
subcommittee
to
work
with
these
people
and
to
hear
the
architects
out
hear
the
museum
out
not
do
this
as
a
group,
because
it's
too
complicated
we're
being
presented
with
something
which
we
really
don't
understand
and
we
have
tracy
trying
to
answer
all
these
questions.
B
Thank
you,
mr
kaiser.
That's
a
a
very
valid
comment
for
certain
and
remember:
hanson.
You've
had
your
hand
up
oops
unmute,
un
unmute
yourself.
Thank
you.
Sorry,
I
think
board.
Member
kaiser's
idea
is
a
good
one.
I
was
actually
going
to
suggest
something
along
those
lines,
but
I
did
want
to
also
clarify
with
staff
again
that
you
know
again
we're
looking
at
this
project
within
the
context
of
impacts
to
the
museum
as
a
class,
one
historic
site
and
not
the
details
of
the
design
necessarily
of
this
in
and
of
itself
correct.
B
C
Well,
yes,
it
is
the
the
consideration
of
this.
The
proposal,
the
concept
of
placing
the
lumen
air
house
on
the
museum's
parcel,
is
what
was
considered
at
the
september
meeting
the
concept
of
placing
it
there.
This
me
this
meeting
and
the
review,
and
the
presentation
today
is
for
the
board
to
evaluate
the
actual
design
and
materials
and
other
components
of
this
proposed
design
and
determine
if
it's
appropriate.
C
B
It
just
seemed
to
me
that
some
of
the
details,
for
example,
you
know
which
tree
was
put
in
is,
is
not
something
that
would
have
a
material
impact.
It
may
be
good
ideas,
but
there's
not
really
a
material
impact
on
the
museum
itself
as
a
historical
resource,
but
anyway
I
agree
with
mr
kaiser
that
a
subcommittee
might
might
work
in
this
instance.
B
E
Yeah.
Thank
you
just
a
question
for
staff
by
the
act
of
the
illuminae
house
going
on
to
this
site,
which
was
a
classical
historic
site
and
include
the
entire
apostle
did
that
in
effect,
make
it
also
a
classroom
site
or
would
it
have
to
have
a
separate
nomination
for
historic
destination
as
a
separate
classroom
effect.
C
Class
1,
designation
or
class
2
designation
is
associated
with
a
parcel.
So
when
you
look
at
any
kind
of
a
designation
that
is
granted
by
the
city
council,
it's
associated
with
a
parcel,
usually
with
an
address,
and
certainly
with
an
assessor
parcel
number
on
that
particular
parcel.
There
are
items
that
are
identified
as
being
historic
resources.
C
In
this
instance,
the
museum
building
itself
is
the
historic
resource,
which
would
also
include
the
subterranean
sculpture
garden,
that
that
is
an
integral
part
of
the
museum
building.
C
So
if
this
building
worked,
if
with
the
illuminae
house
being
placed
on
the
museum
site,
it
would
be
recognized
as
a
as
a
historically
significant
resource
on
the
site.
It
would
not
be
granted
its
own
separate
historic,
designation
per
se.
E
Thank
you.
The
reason
I
asked
because
obviously,
when
the
designation
was
made,
the
illuminator
was
not
there,
so
I
would
think
by
nature
of
this
application
and
the
work
that
we're
doing
now
that
somehow
you
would
have
to
go
back
to
that
designation
and
add
in
the
illumina
as
being
an
important
historic
resource
on
that
site.
That
is
also
a
contributor
because
it's
become
part
of
the
museum's
collection
and
because
of
the
association
with
albert
frey.
E
I
do
think
that
there's
probably
some
justification
to
include
that
language
in
the
designation.
C
That's
certainly
a
good
point,
member
nelson
and
I
will
evaluate
that
question
further
with
director
fagg
it.
It
might
make
sense
that
there
be
actually
a
consent
item
placed
on
the
city
council
agenda
to
include
this
as
a
character,
defining
feature
or
a
historic
resource
on
that
parcel,
but
I
will
speak
with
director
further
on
on
whether
that's
a
active
action
that
we
should
take
in
this
regard.
It's
a
good
point.
B
G
A
C
G
It
would
be
about
the
design
elements,
not
the
fact
that
this
was
already
voted
to
be
there
as
a
part
of
the
museum
museum,
correct.
C
Would
you
I'm
sorry
I
was
getting
only
a
fraction
of
that.
Your
streaming
is
a
is
a
little
like.
We
have
a
bad
connection,
but
could
you
could
you
restate
that
please
remember
rose
yes,.
B
Okay,
I
I
understand
that
it's
our
position
as
the
board
to
evaluate
the
plan
that
is
presented
to
us
to
evaluate
study
the
plan
and
is
it
appropriate
to
move
forward.
So
our
mission
is
to
to
evaluate
look
study,
the
plan
that
is
presented
and
and
determine
if
it's,
if
it's
appropriate,
to
proceed
so
perhaps
having
a
subcommittee
to
do
that
task
is
the
appropriate
way
to
to
go
I'm
in
favor
of
that.
If,
if
all
agree,
is
that
appropriate
for
the
appropriate.
F
But
before
you
make
that
decision,
could
I
please
just
say
that
we,
the
the
only
review
that
the
city
asked
us
to
go
through,
was
the
historic
site
preservation
board
last
september
and
based
on
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
that
we
received
in
in
september,
we
proceeded
to
detail
out
plans.
We
are
more
than
willing
to
accept
all
your
suggestions
or
conditions
in
terms
of
of
the
actual
plan,
but
to
now
go
back
and
readjudicate
whether
or
not
this
is
you
know
fits
with
the
museum
or
or
you
know,
whatever.
F
The
scope
of
your
you
envision
for
the
subcommittee
seems
a
bit
unfair,
as
we've
proceeded
for
the
last
year,
based
on
this,
rather
than
placing
the
luminaire
at
the
cod
campus,
and
we
are
completely
open
to
all
of
member
nelson's
suggestions.
F
F
We
can
do
that,
but
this
sort
of
plan
articulates
what
the
architects
feel
is
the
best
way
to
show
off
this
this
building,
and
it
is
envisioned
to
be
the
centerpiece
of
the
sculpture
garden
as
if
it
is
a
sculpture,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
your
you-
that
we're
going
to
have
to
start
over
again
or
re-adjudicate
seems
seems
unfair
and
we'll
slow
down
the
process
which
has
already
been
slow,
because
the
plan
has
had
to
have.
F
C
The
question
before
the
board
is
not
to
reconsider
whether
or
not
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
is
appropriate
for
the
placement
of
the
illuminaire
house
on
the
museum
campus.
That
decision
has
already
been
made.
Your
evaluation
today
is
to
determine
whether
the
now
articulated
final
design
for
the
sculpture
garden
is
appropriate.
C
My
only
comment
that
I
want
to
have
the
board.
Consider
if
you
choose
to
move
this
to
a
subcommittee,
the
full
board
needs
to
be
ready,
then,
to
delegate
its
decision
and
approval
authority
on
the
design
of
this
particular
project
to
that
subcommittee.
C
Similarly,
I
want
to
just
give
you
an
example:
when
you
considered
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
outdoor
dining
area
and
the
terrace
that
went
into
the
el
patron
restaurant
at
the
oasis,
commercial
building,
which
is
a
class
one
historic
site,
the
decision
was
to
allow
it
to
proceed,
but
the
board
assigned
a
subcommittee
to
work
out
the
details
of
the
railing
design.
C
So
I
think
there
needs
to
be
for
today,
a
general
concurrence
that
the
full
board
is
is
ready
to
say
that
this
is
appropriate
in
its
current
design,
but
that
certain
details
could
be
further
smoothed
out
or
articulated
via
a
subcommittee.
C
B
Remember
hanson!
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
concur
with
mr
lyon,
and
that
would
certainly
be
my
intent
with
a
subcommittee
not
to
be
starting
from
scratch
and
going
through
all
of
the
details
of
this
design.
I
do
concur
with
the
staff
report
that
the
design
as
presented
does
not
material
impact,
the
site
as
a
historical
resource
in
palm
springs,
and
I
would
if
there
is
consensus
to
have
a
subcommittee
that
again
it
would
just
be
to
iron
out
some
of
the
minor
details
and
maybe
listen
to
some.
B
You
know
alternate
opinions
and
suggestions,
but
certainly
not
to
rehash
the
entire
design
to
be
starting
from
scratch
and
certainly
hopefully
not
to
slow
this
project
down.
I
think
it's
a
really
important
project,
so
I'm
prepared
to
accept
the
design
with
the
subcommittee
to
iron
out
some
specific
details,
but
I
don't
know
if
we
would
need
to
agree
on
those
today,
but
some
of
them
are
very
specific,
so
I'm
not
sure
I
could
get
into
that
level
of
detail.
B
Personally,
I
think
maybe
the
one
of
the
larger
suggestions
was
the
walls
matching
the
existing
and
I'm
actually
fine.
With
ms
conrad's
explanation
of
the
differentiation
per
the
secretary
of
interior
standards,
one
more
question
from
mr
rose:
mr
rose
unmute
there
yeah.
G
G
You
know
to
present
what
I
found
to
be
a
pretty
amazing
design
plan,
and
you
know
we
can't
get
bogged
down
and
and
lose
the
big
picture
and
that's
to
get
the
luminaire
there
which
we're
all
proud
to
have.
So
I
would
vote
for
the
minor
details
subcommittee
as
well.
Okay,.
E
However,
this
is
before
us
because
we
are
the
historic
circulation
board
and
this
is
a
classroom
site,
and
this
is
an
important
building,
an
important
addition
not
only
to
the
museum
but
to
our
downtown
and
to
our
cultural
heritage,
excluding
cultural
heritage,
tourism,
it's
important
that
it
be
done
right
with
the
input
and
expertise
and
background
and
history
and
passion
of
all
of
the
present.
E
I
think
it
will
make
it
a
better
project
in
the
end-
and
I
know
most
of
us
agree
with
that-
I
think
the
discussion
is
really
worth
having,
and
this
is
the
time
to
do
it
whether
the
new
wall
should
match
the
existing.
E
The
three
other
walls
are
being
made
based
on
the
height
of
the
existing
south
wall,
and
you
have
kind
of
have
to
think,
because
this
is
a
fight
taken
from
another
place
from
back
east
and
it
predates
our
desert
language.
It
predates
the
desert
modernism.
E
He
didn't
use
concrete
blocks
in
new
york,
he
used
them
and
doesn't,
but
the
south
wall
wasn't
designed
by
prey.
It
was
designed
by
williams
to
incarcerate
the
entire
site,
so
that
was
one
reason
why
I
had
mentioned.
The
new
three
walls
should
possibly
match,
because
four
years
in
here
today
he's
not
building
the
three
new
walls
so
plus.
E
I
believe
that
the
the
three
new
wall,
if
they
matched
the
existing
south
wall
in
the
west
wall
of
the
delivery
driveway
or
the
loading
dock
access,
it
would
relate
better
to
the
site
as
a
whole.
And
that's
what
we're
talking
about
today,
the
the
entire
parcel
craftsman,
historic
site.
So
I
think
it's
important
not
to
lose
sight
of
that.
Also,
some
of
the
parking
spaces
are
very
very
close
to
the
proposed
new
walls,
and
I
worry
that
concrete
block
would
be
more
vulnerable
than
a
solid
wall
would
be
so.
E
C
Just
a
point
of
clarification,
my
staff
report
was
written
on
the
assumption
that
the
new
walls
were
going
to
be
a
continuation
of
the
same
port
and
place
concrete.
You
know
rubbed
concrete
wall
that
we
see
currently
on
the
south
wall
and
in
terms
of
discussion
of
the
secretary
of
the
interior
standards.
This
can
go
both
ways.
C
F
Ken
we're
happy
to
match,
and
you
and
I
had
a
conversation
and
I'm
sorry
that
the
plan
reflects
the
precision
block
we
we
can
match
the
walls.
That's
just
not.
F
G
B
Okay,
so
is
it?
Is
it
my
understanding
that
we're
all
agreeing
that
we
do
want
to
grant
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
the
idea
of
setting
up
a
subcommittee
that
would
work
out?
You
know
certain
details.
You
know
in
conjunction
and
representing
our
board
on
the
decision
to
finalize
and
move
this
forward
is.
Is
that
my
feeling
of
what
we're
discussing
here?
D
I
would
just
add-
and
I'd
defer
to
remember
nelson,
to
clarify
if,
if
I
haven't
I've
spoken
out
of
turn
here,
but
I
would
say
we
need
to
mention
that
the
goal
of
that
subcommittee
and
perhaps
in
limiting
its
scope,
is
certainly
to
better
integrate
this
large
piece
of
sculpture
into
the
class
one
site
and
maintaining
as
much
congruity.
I
guess
in
terms
of
materials
and
colors,
because
this
aluminum
structure
is
going
to
be
incongruous
with
the
design
of
the
desert
colors
on
the
museum
of
course.
D
So
I
think
all
that
can
be
done
to
better
integrate
it
into
the
site
as
a
whole
is
worthwhile.
But
I
agree
that
that
can
be
done
simply
with
three
people.
I'm
talking
about
it
and
working
that
out
with
the
architect
and
with
the
illuminaire
group
and
with
the
art
museum,
and
it
doesn't
need
to
come
back
for
any
formal
action
to
this
full
board.
B
So
may
I
have
a
motion
to
that
effect.
Mr
nelson.
E
Yeah,
so
I
would
still
move
that
we
make
a
motion
with
amendments
to
approve
the
application
by
the
illuminati
health
foundation
on
behalf
of
the
plum
springs:
art
museum
for
alteration
to
the
museum,
a
classroom,
historic
site
with
a
three-person
subcommittee
to
iron
out
some
of
the
details
that
have
been
brought
up
by
their
board
members,
but
also
to
include
in
that
motion
that
the
new
wall
will
match.
E
That
the
outdated
circular
seating
by
the
flagpoles
also
be
removed,
as
the
applicant
has
agreed,
would
be
a
good
idea
and
that
the
gravel
surrounding
the
structure
be,
in
fact
the
mojave
gold
and
not
the
gray
graphite,
as
agreed
upon
by
the
applicant.
That
fray
would
definitely
be
more
in
favor
of
something
natural
and
then
the
other
detail
could
be
worked
out
by
the
subcommittee.
B
Okay,
so
I
have
I
have
a
motion
by
mr
nelson,
a
second
by
mr
rose
to
grant
that
certificate
of
appropriateness
with
the
committee
and
all
those
details
that
that
were
mentioned
in
that
motion,
and
I
think,
mr
lyon,
you
probably
captured
those
the
motion.
B
So
is
there
any
other
discussion
regarding
that
motion?
Mr
lyon,.
C
I
would
like
to
just
make
sure
that
I
understand
with
mr
nelson's
motion
and
the
details
that
that
he
clarified,
which,
by
the
way,
that's
a
very
appropriate
way
of
doing
this,
is
to
identify
with
your
motion,
as
many
facets
of
this
design,
that
the
current
group
of
you
feel
is
appropriate
and
then
then
leave
the
specific
finite
items
that
you
want.
The
subcommittee
to
further
address
to
be
addressed,
and
to
that
end,
the
only
question
that
I
would
like
some
clarification
on.
C
There
was
some
discussion
about
the
actual
dimensional
characteristics
of
this
sculpture
garden
as
being
roughly
90
by
95.
C
Am
I
correct
in
understanding
that
the
board
is
accepting
that
particular
dimensional
characteristic
of
this
sculpture
garden
and
that
the
other
details,
such
as
the
planting
material
and
things
like
that,
are
what
are
going
to
be
worked
out
by
the
subcommittee.
B
Yeah
well,
if
the
parking
could
be
eliminated,
then
I
which
doesn't
look
like
it's
gonna
happen.
Then
I
would,
you
know,
want
to
change
that
dimension,
but
that's
dependent
upon
you
know
having
the
parking
laid
out
as
it
is
now.
E
Yes,
I
would
just
like
to
ask
if
mr
miller,
given
his
previous
experience
with
urban
planning
and
so
forth,
had
any
further
comment
on
the
logistics
of
the
parking,
especially
as
applied
to
the
area,
to
the
west
directly
behind
the
illumina,
because
since
this
isn't
going
to
planning
commission-
and
we
don't
really
have
somebody
here-
who's
an
expert
in
parking
or
parking
lot
design
yeah.
You
know,
based
on
mr
miller's
experience
and
perhaps
staff
member
lion's
experience
and
maybe
director.
If
he
cares
to
comment.
E
If
those,
if
that
area
immediately
to
the
west
looks
fine,
you
know,
is
there
any
need
to
have
it
further
addressed?
I
believe
that
you
know
they've
hired.
E
D
Did
actually
look
at
that
situation
based
on
the
angle
I
mean
it
is
a
little
bit
tight,
but
it
appears
that
it
will
meet.
You
know
the
standard
dimensions
based
on
that
angle.
C
C
Of
and
in
terms
of
the
staff
evaluation
of
it,
the
very
last
or
southernmost
space,
which
is
currently
shown
on
your
in
your
staff
report
as
being
at
the
same
angle,
angled
parking
as
the
rest
of
the
existing
parking
spaces
to
remain.
C
So
we've
already
provided
those
comments
to
the
engineering
firm,
as
well
as
the
requirements
of
the
city's
parking
ordinance
in
terms
of
spaces
dimensions
and
things
like
that.
As
far
as
our
understanding
of
the
area,
west
of
the
proposed
sculpture
garden,
our
understanding
from
speaking
with
mrs
conrad
is
that
the
area
there
is
primarily
for
loading
and
unloading
if
there
are
any
surviving
or
existing
parking
spaces
that
are
residual
that
are
left
over
with
the
creation
of
the
sculpture
garden.
C
Those
would
our
our
presumption
is
that
those
would
be
established,
as,
as
you
mentioned,
staff
spaces
for
the
museum,
but
they
are
not
necessarily
intended
to
be
public
parking
spaces
for
the
patrons
of
the
museum.
C
So
we've
looked
at
those
things
and-
and
we
are
comfortable
with
those
comments
that
I've
just
made-
that
the
design
of
the
parking
structure,
the
parking
area
functions
adequately
and,
furthermore,
our
understanding
in
terms
of
that
loading
area,
is
that
the
design
of
it
has
been
reviewed
with
the
museum,
administrative
staff
and
they
are
comfortable
with
its
functionality.
E
Thank
you
for
those
very,
very,
very
helpful
comments
and
much
appreciated
you.
You
answered
exactly
what
I
wanted,
but
I
just
had
one
other
thought.
Looking
at
the
plan,
forgive
me,
but
my
thought
was:
where
did
the
trash
go?
Well,
there'll
be
a
dumpster
immediately
behind
the
building
in
that
small
parking
area
to
the
left,
or
will
be
taken
further
out
into
the
loading.
B
G
I
I
just
would
like
to
offer
as
a
part
of
the
motion
that
we
identify
the
subcommittee.
I'm
oh
yeah,
I'm
very
passionate
about
this.
I
am
very
passionate
about
the
illuminaire.
G
As
many
of
you
know,
I
helped
burn
the
wall
guest
house
here.
So
this
is
something
that's
in
to
me
and
I
would
I
would
say
why
don't
we
sister
miller
and
then
and
myself
be
a
part
of
the
subcommittee
and
we
can
further
analyze
the
plane
through
line
and
work
out.
Some
of
the
minor
dj.
B
B
B
Okay,
so
any
opposed,
so
the
motion
passes
seven
to
zero.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay
wow.
That
was
fun.
C
B
Good
discussion
and
thank
you
tracy
also
for
your
input,
very,
very
valuable.
So
let
us
proceed
to
agenda
discussion.
Item
number
5a,
and
this
is
the
2022
preservation
matters
symposium,
and
I
would
like
to
to
give
you
a
very
brief
report.
B
B
B
Our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
july
15th
to
continue
discussing
these
ideas
and
and
the
cu
and
the
we're
compiling
these
work
lists
and
assignments
we're
really
moving
forward.
We
we
have
a
lot
to
follow
because
the
last
few
years
the
symposium
has
been
fantastic
and
boy
we
have.
We
have
our
work
cut
out
for
us
to
achieve
that
excellence,
so
we're
working
hard.
We
also
have
a
september
16
meeting
scheduled
to
include
deborah
and
richard
hovel,
who
who
do
handle.
B
Mr
lyon
is
looking
into
convention
center
availability,
we're
talking
about
april
2022
for
this
symposium
it
it
looks
like
april
2
or
3
is
a
maybe
april
9
or
10
is
not
available,
nor
is
the
16th
or
the
17th,
which
is
the
easter
weekend
april.
23
24
is
the
second
weekend
of
coachella
music
fest
and
the
convention
center
may
be
available
that
weekend.
B
So
we
are
looking
into
options,
and
I
don't
know
if
mr
lyon
would
you
like
to
add
anything
to
those
possibilities.
C
Yes,
only
I
did
reach
out
to
the
convention
center
and
you
did
characterize
the
availability
correctly.
However,
we,
the
the
city
manager's
office
and
the
convention
center
have
asked
that
we
coordinate
that
all
departments
coordinate
our
requests
for
use
of
the
convention
center
through
the
city
manager's
office,
and
so
I
have.
C
I
have
basically
turned
the
request
over
to
the
city
manager's
office,
and
there
were
some
questions
that
were
coming
from
that
office
with
respect
to
whether
or
not
the
symposium
needs
to
happen
in
april,
given
that
april
is
a
very
very
busy
month
in
palm
springs,
and
so
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
that
question
was
kind
of
returned
back
to
me
from
the
city
manager's
office
and,
as
you
recall,
your
symposium
originally
began
as
the
board
participating
in
the
national
historic
preservation
month,
which
occurs
in
may
and
that
we
moved
it
to
april,
because
people
that
were
taking
the
site
tours
in
may
were
finding
it
to
be
very.
C
Very
hot.
The
weather
by
may
is
starting
to
get
pretty
warm
here
in
palm
springs,
and
so
that
was
the
that
was
what
drove
the
event
to
being
scheduled
in
april.
C
B
Very
good,
thank
you
very
much
so
that
completes
today's
agenda.
Are
there
any
comments
from
the
board?
B
I
just
had
a
question
on
the
last
item.
When
do
when
does
the
rest
of
the
board
get
more
information
on
the
content
of
the
symposium
as
it
starts,
shaping
up
september
september?
Is
our
goal.
You
know
over
the
summer
we're
working
on
compiling
ideas
and
lists
and
prioritizing
them
and
seeing
you
know,
what's
available,
what's
feasible,
you
know
what's
timely,
especially
with
with
the
tours
that
mr
kaiser's
working
on
and
and
of
course
the
heat
it
was
was
a
problem.
It
is
can
be
a
problem
in
may
for
those
tours.
B
So
so
again,
I
want
to
stress
that
if
any
member
has
ideas
of
topics
you
know
please,
you
know
pass
them
on
on
to
us
because
we're
going
to
be
working
on
ideas
and
compiling
those
lists.
The
next
two
months
in
in
the
summer
time
in
and
and
kind
of
pulling,
you
know
pulling
a
draft
together
by
september.
B
So
so
that's
that's.
How
that's
working
out
any
other
board
comments.
B
G
Just
I
just
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
ken
and
the
staff.
This
is
my
first
board
meeting
the
packet
that
I
was
given
and
the
amount
of
work
that's
put
in
really
makes
our
job
so
much
easier.
You
just
do
a
just
a
spectacular
job
and
I'm
proud
to
be
a
part
of
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
E
E
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
hear
from
all
of
you,
so
let
dan
or
kathryn
or
myself
know
if
you
have
an
idea
or
something
where
you
can,
when
you
expertise
or
if
you
participated
in
a
similar
type
of
event
or
conference
or
seminar
in
the
past,
and
you
knew
something
that
would
do
it
was
an
audience
favorite
we'd
love
to
know
all
about
that,
because
obviously
this
is
you
know
the
seventh
or
eighth
symposium,
maybe
we're
higher
up
than
that
now,
so
we're
looking
for
ways
to
change
it
up
and
make
it
engaging
and
fun
and
keep
it
exciting.
E
And
on
that
note,
my
suggestion
would
be
if
the
city
manager
and
convention
center
are
concerned
about
an
april
date
and
maybe
look
at
a
much
date
just
for
the
sake
of
being
able
to
do
the
outdoor
party
at
the
o'donnell
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
also
the
tours,
because
our
visitors
who
come
to
this
event,
whether
they're,
local
or
from
outside
the
city,
they
really
appreciate
that
cooler
weather
and
then
we
could
rebroadcast
it
via
the
city
youtube
channel
in
may.
E
E
One
is
left
over
from
last
month's
meeting
and
it
was
my
mention
of
some
possible
work
that
might
happen
at
bank
of
america,
and
I
know
that
staff
is
aware
of
it
and
they're
going
to
make
us
aware,
but
I
know
that
we're
dark
in
the
month
of
august,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
if
anything
was
going
to
come
forward
from
b
of
a
there
are
several
people
in
communities
who
are
very
concerned
about
it,
especially
the
modernist
that
maybe,
if
it's
being
handled
at
a
staff
level
since
we're
dark-
and
we
won't
be
able
to
hear
it
for
over
a
month-
if
you
could
just
keep
us
in
the
loop
about
it,
otherwise
it'd
be
great
to
see
it
on
the
agenda
in
september
and
then,
finally,
I'm
going
to
close
out
with
something
that
I've
seen
regarding
a
classroom
site.
E
That's
a
little
bothersome,
as
many
of
you
may
know,
embanada
recently
sold
for
over
five
million
dollars.
It
is
a
classroom
site.
It's
a
beautiful,
1930,
spanish
colonial
revival,
certainly
one
of
the
gems
of
our
city
and
they
have
removed
all
the
exterior
vegetation.
E
That's
growing
on
the
wall
and
you
know
we're
talking
earlier
about
historically
being
the
puzzles,
so
this
is
a
whole
parcel
of
land
that
takes
up
its
own
island,
its
own
block,
and
that
wall
is
part
of
the
parcel
and
that
vegetation
was
growing
all
over
that
wall
for
years
and
now
they're
putting
up
pink
samples
on
the
wall
and
I've
always
known
that
wall
to
be
natural,
exposed,
gray
block,
and
so
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
know
japan
heard
anything
about
this
and
if
we're
gonna
be
receiving,
you
know
an
application
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
regarding
their
health,
because
it
is
very,
very
important
that
we
stay
on
top
of
it
and
just
before
I
leave
you
on
that
note.
E
There's
another
house
nearby,
untitiva
by
howard,
lapham
right
across
from
catherine
century.
That's
not
a
class
one
side,
but
I
believe
it
is
a
class
three
and
they
have
recently
removed
a
giant
tree,
a
giant
eucalyptus
tree
and
also
a
whole
row
of
italian
cyclists.
E
I
bring
this
up
because
these
things
are
in
front
of
the
house.
They
are,
you
know
visible
from
the
street.
They
are
part
of
the
facade.
They
are
part
of
our
preview
of
what
we
include
in
the
designation
as
a
character,
defining
feature
that
can
be
seen
from
the
street
and
landscape
often
plays
a
role
in
that.
So
those
are
my
concerns
and
I'll
leave
you
with
that.
B
C
Yes,
thank
you
just
a
couple.
We
have
had
contact
from
the
bank
of
america
and
they
are
beginning
to
put
together
their
proposed
scope
of
work.
They
don't
have
it
delineated.
Yet
I
have
forwarded
to
their
representative
many
things
from
our
historic
archives
on
that
building,
including
many
of
the
original
photos.
C
Those
of
you
who
are
familiar
with
the
building
know
that
there
was
an
extraordinary
aluminum
sunscreen
on
the
west
facade
that's
been
gone
for
many
many
years
and
that
there
was
a
rather
unique
blue
mosaic
tile
fountain
on
the
north
west
corner
of
the
building.
That
was
also
removed.
Many
many
years
ago,
when
the
building
went
through
a
repaint
a
couple
of
years
ago.
C
They
they
consulted
with
staff
and
we
consulted
with
the
the
contractor
who
did
the
repaint,
and
we
acknowledged
that
we
kind
of
missed
the
mark
on
the
gray
colored
paint,
so
we're
working
with
them
to
get
the
gray
accent
color
into
something.
That's
more
closely
resembles
the
original
paint
color
from
the
photographs
that
we
have
in
the
building.
C
C
I
think
that's
it.
The
only
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
make
the
board
aware
of
you
know
that
in
the
past
excuse
me,
staff
has
done
education,
outreach
to
the
local
real
estate
board,
and
I've
done
that
a
few
times
doing
powerpoint
presentations
and
explaining
the
ordinance
revisions
that
occurred
in
2019
and
again
in
2020,
and
I
will
I've
updated.
C
My
powerpoint
presentation
on
that
and
I'll
be
reaching
out
to
the
real
estate
board
to
schedule
some
meetings
with
them
again
to
update
them
on
how
the
ordinance
works
and
how
class
3
works
and
how
demos
work
and
the
incentives
available
for
historic
preservation,
I'll
kind
of
go
through
the
whole
thing,
and
I
will
try
to
actually
maybe
if
I've
got
time
at
one
of
the
upcoming
meetings.
I'll
give
you
a
brief
presentation
for
the
board
as
well.
C
Sydney
staff
puts
together
what
is
called
the
city
beat,
which
is
a
little
online
newsletter
that
goes
to
city
staff,
and
I
was
asked
to
write
a
brief
item
about
historic
preservation,
and
so
I
will
share
that
with
you
as
well,
once
denise
coolsby
has
it
printed,
but
I
basically
gave
an
explanation
of
how
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
began
and
so
I'll
share
that
with
you
once
I've
got
that
document
published,
and
I
think
that's
that's
it
in
terms
of
staff
comments
director
did
you
have
anything
you
wanted
to
add.
A
C
We
believe
so
we're
looking
for
direction
from
the
city
council
on
that
we
believe
it's
going
to
as
the
coveted
numbers
and
everything
seem
to
continue
to
improve.
It
does
appear
that
we
will
be
meeting
back
in
person,
but
we'll
be
taking
that
direction
from
the
city
council.
I
I
also
I'm
sorry.
This
is
like
the
alzheimer's
round,
as
we
always
talk
about
it
in
planning
department
meeting.
C
The
other
thing
that
I
did
want
to
update
you
on
is,
if
you
recall,
at
a
one
of
the
past
meetings,
I
believe
in
may
you
considered
alterations
that
are
occurring
or
that
have
occurred
at
the
1350
ladera
circle
house,
which
is
otherwise
known
as
the
robert
alexander
house
tomorrow.
C
In
order
to
consider
that
item,
they
have
not
requested
that
yet,
but
I
am
anticipating
that
they're
going
to
be
pushing
hard
to
try
to
get
the
city
to
move
through
its
process
of
public
hearings
on
that
particular
item
as
quickly
as
we
can.
So,
if
that
request
does
come
through,
I
will
be
reaching
out
to
the
board
members
to
see
if
you
are
available
and
able
to
make
a
special
meeting,
possibly
in
october.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
that
for
that
heads
up,
because
we
we
do
plan
our
vacations
around
board
meetings.
So,
mr
nelson.
E
Yes,
just
one
more
question
for
steph:
if
you
don't
have
the
answer
at
all,
maybe
you
could
just
email
it
to
us,
but
I
just
wanted
clarification
on
the
date
that
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
went
into
effect
and
also
the
date
that
the
first
historic
site
preservation
board
was
sat
because
I'm
trying
to
determine
if
it's
a
40th
anniversary
or
45th
anniversary
or
whatever,
because
I
think
it
would
be
great
to
have
that
number.
C
A
B
G
B
Okay,
well
seeing
no
other
discussion,
I
would
like
to.
B
Okay:
okay,
seeing
no
other
discussion,
this
meeting
of
the
historic
site
preservation
board
is
adjourned
at
7
27
to
the
meeting
of
september
14
2021
at
5
30..
Please
note
that
that
meeting
date
was
adjusted
due
to
the
holiday.
B
So
please
take
note
of
that
and
then
we'll
find
out.
If
we
have
an
august
meeting,
we
need
to
have
that.
So
we'll
be
all
in
touch,
and
I
want
to
thank
all
of
you
for
your
participation
today
and
and
to
welcome
mr
rose.
It
was
a
wonderful
meeting
and
really
appreciate
all
your
your
the
time
and
effort
and
research
and
thoughts
that
you
put
into
each
each
and
every
item,
including
mr
nelson.