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Well,
I'm
sorry
I
skipped
down
one
Thank
You
Ellen
at
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Parks
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interests
within
the
subject
matter
and
jurisdiction
of
our
Commission.
Although
the
Commission
values
your
input,
we
are
not
able,
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
to
make
comments
at
the
time
that
you're
speaking,
it's
generally
cannot
take
any
action
or
on
items
that
are
not
listed
on
our
agenda.
I
I
I
just
want
to
bring
something
up
because
I
know
we're
gonna,
be
speaking
of
the
dog
park
and
I'm
excited,
but
with
the
dog
park
that
does
exist
over
there,
we
desperately
need
faucets
to
help,
keep
it
clean
and
stuff,
and
so
lo
and
behold
this
week,
I
went
down
the
university
dog
park
and
they
have
a
solution
that
I
think
would
be
very
suiting
for
us.
They
had
these
faucets
that
you
push
down
and
they
work
for
five
seconds,
and
then
they
stop
right,
because
we
have
a
water
problem
with
faucets.
I
That's
why
we
got
them
taken
out
of
our
dog
park.
That's
because
we
had
a
water
over
usage.
People
were
saying
that
homeless
people
were
coming
and
showering
there.
If
you
guys
have
that
big
a
problem
with
it,
then
we
would
like
to
ask
for
the
faucets
that
you
just
pushed
down
and
it
lasts
five
seconds
and
then
we
can
get
our
faucets.
I
New
ground
covering
you
know,
until
it's
done,
I'm
gonna
keep
preaching
about
it.
We
desperately
need
new
ground
covering
new
shading.
You
know
awnings,
for
the
people
definitely
faucets.
We
need
faucets
and
water
wells.
I.
Keep
asking
for
this,
but
last
time
that
you
guys
put
in
a
water.
Well,
I
thought
it
was
kind
of
a
joke
or
slap
in
the
face
because
you
put
it
outside
of
the
dog
park
and
not
even
in
the
dog
park.
I
Anybody
that
has
dogs
knows
that
when
you're
in
the
dog
park
and
they're
running
around
you're,
not
gonna,
put
them
back
on
a
leash
and
take
them
outside
of
the
dog
park
to
get
their
thirst
on,
and
so
it
was
kind
of
a
not
smartly
executed
placement
of
that
water
fountain.
So
we
asked
you
I
have
to
be
very
clear
on
this
inside
the
dog
park.
We
would
like
water
wells
and
that's
it
for
today,
I'm
really
just
eager
to
listen
to
what
you
guys
have.
Oh
also
on
the
sub
dog
park
committee.
I
I
heard
that
last
time
you
guys
did
the
sub
dog
park
dog
committee.
Somebody
from
the
office
just
went
over
there
and
would
ask
the
dog
owners
questions.
That's
called
a
survey.
That's
not
called
a
dog
park
subcommittee.
We
still
want
a
dog
park
subcommittee
of
people
to
actually
go
there
every
single
day
and
use
this
dog
park,
for
we
can
give
you
guys.
Our
feedback
of
this
because
being
shut
down
for
seven
weeks
is
not
just
killing
me.
It's
killing
our
dogs.
It's
you
know
it's!
It's
it's
brutal
and
we're
still
having
a
wait.
C
I'm,
an
avid
swimmer
I've,
been
here
for
five
years.
I
was
a
visitor
for
five
years.
We
have
this
amazing
asset
of
the
Swim
Center
in
in
a
city
of
2000
poles.
It's
really
the
only
lap
swimming
facility,
and
there
very
few,
even
private
lap
pools
around
it's
an
addition
to
the
outdoor
lifestyle
that
Palm
Springs
is
known
for
hiking
biking,
golf
tennis
and
swimming
it's
a
Hugh
Kaptur
designed
facility.
C
It's
part
of
the
larger
sunrise,
our
complex,
including
escape
art,
the
billion
and
Leisure
Centre
with
connection
to
the
mysel
Center
Boys
and
Girls
Club
library,
sports
fields
in
high
school
I.
Don't
have
to
tell
the
commissioners
that,
but
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
record.
The
challenge
that
the
pool
has
is
that
it's
very
expensive
to
maintain
I
saw
that
the
budget
was
over
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
is
a
lot
of
money.
It
takes
a
lot
to
heat
cool
staff
and
maintain
a
facility
like
that.
C
It's
mostly
I
would
assume
tax
payer
funded
with
modest
income
from
entrance
fees
and
swim
meets
I,
don't
believe
there
are
any
grants
or
federal
or
state
money.
That
goes
to
the
Swim
Center,
although
there
may
be
so
there's
two
issues
on
my
radar
that
have
a
direct
impact
on
the
revenue
for
the
Swim
Center
community
visibility.
Number
one
and
visitor
passes
number
two
community
visibility,
it's
a
very
difficult
to
find
facility
and
it's
rarely
promoted.
As
a
result,
it
is
unknown
by
the
large
percentage
of
residents.
C
C
There
is
a
sign
on
there.
That
might
seem
big,
but
it's
a
tiny
sign
in
relation
to
the
size
of
the
wall
and
the
60
mile,
an
hour
traffic
that
goes
by
and
all
day
long,
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
a
mural
or
a
larger
sign
program.
That
would
be
on
the
ramon
side
and
if
you
happen
to
see
that
sign-
and
you
think
oh
great
I'm
gonna
park
right
next
to
that
and
go
in
that's
the
Mizell
Center-
that's
not
the
pool
so
there's
also
a
problem
with
figuring
out
how
to
get
there.
C
So
then
you
go
to
Bristow
Road
I,
hear
it's
off.
Arista
Road,
so
I
go
down.
I,
see
some
sports
fields.
I
stop
at
a
stop
sign,
there's
a
road
but
there's
no
signs
or
anything.
That
tells
me
there's
anything
down
there.
So
maybe
then
I
figure
out,
okay,
I,
guess
I'm
gonna
go
down
that
road
and
I
get
to
the
to
the
entrance
of
the
pool,
and
there
is
not
a
single
sign
anywhere
telling
you
it's
a
pool.
Now
there
is
a
monument
sign
for
the
skate
park
and
the
Swim
Center
sand.
C
A
G
Martin
Danielson
I
represent
the
sunrise
park
board
and
communications
I've
also
been
on
the
village
press
board
as
its
chair
some
years
ago.
It's
nice
to
see
you
today
and
it's
kind
of
interesting,
because
I'm
going
to
continue
what
Tom
started.
We
have
talked
about
how
we
can
help
the
city
and
sunrise
park,
create
a
stronger
branding
and
excitement
that
will
fit
in
with
what's
happening
with
Palm
Springs.
First
of
all,
let
me
congratulate
you
for
what
you
have
done
in
the
park.
Recently,
it's
a
big
big
change.
G
We
have
some
ideas
and,
first
and
foremost,
Sunrise
Park
will
have
a
tour
from
modernism
week
for
the
first
time
in
three
years
and
we're
delighted
about
that.
But
we
have
some
opportunities
here.
I
think
that's
outstanding.
We
have
met
with
the
Historical
Society
rich
vitamin,
who
you
may
know
was
head
of
this.
G
The
Western
Area
national
parks,
including
San
Francisco
parks
and
then
served
as
assistant
director
to
the
United
States
parks
system
in
Washington,
DC
he's
now
part
of
the
Historic
Society
we're
looking
at
the
pool
in
San
G
captor
biz,
this
wonderful
pool
in
this
wonderful
park.
How
can
we
get
together
and
talk
about
how
we
can
build
the
structure
of
the
park?
I'm
a
New
Yorker,
so
Central
Park
was
central
to
my
love
of
New
York,
City
I.
G
Think
we've
got
some
real
opportunities
here,
because
we've
just
been
approached
by
the
Art
Commission
of
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
and
said
they
would
like
to
bring
art
into
the
park.
All
of
these
things,
I
think
add
to
something
that
we
could
look
at
together
to
make
Sun
Rise
Park
a
truly
outstanding
park,
because
parks
are
such
a
vital
part
of
our
neighborhoods
and
our
society.
G
Perhaps
some
of
the
other
parks
with
ideas
that
we
are
able
to
create,
and
so
all
I'm
saying
is
that
we
at
sunrise
Park,
are
very
interested
in
talking
to
you
about
the
opportunities
that
we
have
and
we
hope
that
on
a
future
meeting,
we
may
put
that
into
some
sort
of
a
formal
discussion
and
that's
what
I
have
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
D
So
the
department
will
be
closed,
Thursday
and
Friday
for
the
Thanksgiving
holiday.
The
tree
lighting
ceremony
will
be
coming
up
on
Friday
December
6th
festival
of
lights
will
be
Saturday.
December
7th
breakfast
with
Santa
will
be
Saturday
December
21st.
We
have
a
new
account
clerk
in
our
department.
His
name
is
Alex.
He
comes
from
the
city
of
Rancho
Cucamonga
and
he's
amazing,
so
he'll
be
a
great
addition
to
our
team
and
James
will
Jesse
will
be
having
their
holiday
toy
giveaway
for
James
or
Jesse
members
on
December
20th.
J
A
A
F
A
F
So
I
have
a
few
case
studies
if
you
could
pass
around
this
is
from
initiative.
We
did
in
Massachusetts
and
I
also
have
a
few
business
cards.
If
anyone
get
in
touch,
so
my
name
is
Alex
Beck
I
co-founded,
this
company
called
bright
guard.
We
are
the
first
manufacturer
of
the
automatic
sunscreen
dispenser.
We
now
have
over
5000
in
market,
and
we
are
now
international
we're
in
all
50
states,
including
Canada,
as
well
as
New
Zealand.
F
We
started
off
our
original
business
model
was
selling
direct
to
parks
and
recreation
agencies
such
as
aquatic
centers,
and
they
put
sunscreen
dispensers
in
their
local
pools
or
outdoor
recreational
facilities
to
give
the
public
free
access
to
sunscreen,
which
is
obviously
cancer
preventive.
However,
over
the
years
we
kind
of
shifted
models
and
we've
pivoted
to
a
way
to
get
sunscreen
dispensers
in
public
locations
completely
free
to
the
city.
So
what
we
do
is
we
partner
with
local
hospitals
or
healthcare
providers
in
regions
such
as
New
York,
City,
Boston
Florida,
we're
doing
this
about
last
year.
F
We
did
about
seven
of
these
programs.
This
year
we
have
about
ten
lined
up
and
luckily
for
us,
UC
Riverside
as
well
as
desert.
Memorial
has
expressed
some
interest
in
completely
subsidizing
sunscreen
dispensers
in
local
parks
in
the
Palm
Springs
region.
So
I'm
bringing
I
brought
this
up
to
Cynthia's
attention
and
she
wanted
me
to
address
you
guys
and
thank
you
again
for
allowing
me
to
speak
on
this
subject
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
guys
have
I'm
sure
you'll
you're
curious
to
know
about
the
sunscreen.
F
B
F
Something
I
forgot
to
mention,
but
I'll
piggyback
on
that,
so
just
so,
everyone
knows,
and
I
have
a
little
key
that
will
unlock
this
thing.
So
inside
of
this
dispenser
is
a
thousand
milliliter
of
one
liter
bag
of
sunscreen.
This
is
good
for
a
thousand
application,
so
each
dispersal
is
one
milliliter
of
sunscreen,
so
just
a
little
quarter
size
of
sunscreen
on
your
palm.
There
is
an
application
because
we
have
these
in
school
districts
across
the
country.
There
is
an
application.
F
So
after
your
first
dispersal
it
weights
1.5
seconds
for
the
second
one,
so
kids
can't
play
with
it.
So
the
mess
is
mostly
captured
by
this
drip
tray,
but
also
of
what
I
think
is
the
most
important
aspect
to
our
sun
protection
program.
As
we
call
it
is
we
provide
supplemental
maintenance,
so
we
have
a
maintenance
crew
come
once
a
week,
if
not
more,
depending
on
the
city,
depending
on
the
requirements
to
come
and
service
this
dispenser.
That
means
clean
it
that
means
repaired.
If
anything's
done,
that
means
remove
the
faceplate.
F
The
only
thing
we
ask
of
the
parks
department
so
again
completely
free
to
the
city.
The
only
thing
we
ask
is
that
the
parks
department
is
the
first
line
of
defense.
I
just
got
a
quote
from
the
city
of
Roseville
at
Scott
Marchetti,
saying
that
it
takes
less
than
two
minutes
for
a
staff
per
dispenser
when
it
comes
to
the
maintenance
of
this.
But
we
also
again
supply
supplemental
maintenance
on
a
weekly
basis
and
we
can
in
New
York
City.
We
did
on
a
daily
basis
and
in
certain
parks.
F
No,
it's
it's
not
that
far
along,
yet
there's
just
expressed
interest,
so
we
got
approval
from
the
CEO.
Now
we'll
move
to
the
head
of
marketing
to
kind
of
flush.
This
out
I
know
they're
going
to
do
some
form
of
integration
on
their
UC,
Riverside
campus
and
then
the
Riverside
area
as
well
they're
just
partnered
with
desert
memorial,
and
they
thought.
Obviously,
as
mr.
boldly
said,
you
need
sunscreen
in
Palm
Springs.
It's.
H
F
A
great
question
so
actually,
in
the
case,
study,
I,
provided
this
is
Emerson
Hospital
and
that's
a
great
question
and
unfortunately
I
only
printed
out,
I
believe
7
of
the
15
pages,
but
one
of
those
where
we
work
with
impact
melanoma,
which
is
a
national
skin
cancer
foundation
based
in
Boston
Emerson's
in
the
Massachusetts
region,
and
they
actually
have
a
specialized
school
educational
program.
So
at
Emerson
is
doing
right.
F
Yellow
dispenser
and
then
you
put
a
Sun
safety
message
in
the
insert
card,
so
kids,
you
know
they
have
left
less
to
play
around
with.
We
also
provide,
for
example,
Nevada
Cancer
Coalition,
sponsored
15
or
excuse
me,
7
of
16
school
districts
in
the
state
of
Nevada,
and
they
integrated
these
with
Sun
safety
messages.
So
that's
that's
a
natural
progression
to
answer
a
question.
Still
you
know
we'd
like
to
make
it
work
in
the
city
first
and
then
naturally
approach
that
and
then
again
some
places
have
restrictions.
H
E
Have
a
question
and
then
the
comment
based
on
and
I
think
the
answer
is
gonna
be
so
your
business
model
is
to
have
this
advertising
on
these
stand
up
correct
right,
okay,
so
this
is
more
not
for
that
you,
but
the
Commission
is
that
you
know
so.
This
is
basically
placing
advertising
in
the
parks,
its
amounts
to
really
commercializing
our
public
spaces.
E
It
raises
a
lot
of
questions
about,
for
example,
we
just
talked
about
this
that
the
dog
park
subcommittee
about
dog
bags
being
sponsored
by
a
local
pet
store,
and
so
you
know
this
may
be
a
great
idea.
There's
a
larger
policy
question
about
whether
we're
gonna
induce
advertising
in
allowing
people
to
make
money
within
the
parks.
We
have
all
sorts
of
rules
where
we
were
talked
about
and
many
times
about
people
that
are
personal
trainers
that
use
the
parks.
They
can't
make
money.
So
there's
a
larger
policy
question
here
than
just
providing
sunscreen
and.
F
That's
that's
a
good
question
or
a
good
comment
and
just
to
answer
questions.
So
these
were
actually
the
billboards
that
we
deployed
in
New
York
City,
so
we
deployed
a
hundred
and
seventy
dispensers
dispenser
and
every
one
of
their
aquatic
centers
and
then
along
all
of
their
public
beaches,
their
regulations
and
again
this
was
we
just
New
York
City,
Parks
and
Rec
Department
thought
that
the
offering
of
free
sunscreen
over
rid
the
profitability
here
of
the
northwell
Cancer
Institute.
F
Obviously,
so
they
found
that
it
was
more
beneficial
to
provide
sunscreen
than
it
was
to
not,
and
this
was
their
requirements.
So
what
we
like
to
do
is
we
work
with
the
city
because
I've
addressed
those
policies
before
in
the
past,
and
we
could
change
the
logo
placement
we
also
for,
for
example,
in
the
city
of
Los
Angeles,
as
well
as
Santa
Monica.
F
We
include
the
city
symbol
as
well,
so,
for
example,
in
Tampa
it
goes
generously
donated
by
Advent
health
in
the
city
of
Tampa,
so
that
there
the
city
does
receive
acknowledgement
for
their
participation.
They
do
receive
a
halo
effect
and
they
also
bring
free
sunscreen
to
aquatic
centers.
To
public
parks,
so
they
do,
they
do
receive
their
their
their
due.
Also
again,
this
is
completely
malleable.
F
We
we
like
to
have
the
logo
here,
just
because
it's
at
eye
level
and
it's
its
attention
worthy,
but
it
has
to
be
reinforced,
and
these
are
our
requirements
by
some
Sun
safety
tips
in
this
insert
card.
This
is
just
an
example
of
the
copper
tone
is
used
as
a
Sun
safety
message,
as
well
as
an
acknowledgement
area.
So
we
do
just
acknowledge
a
point.
We
do
we're
very
sensitive
about
advertising
in
parks
and
we
work
with
you
guys
to
make
sure
that
everything's
approved.
We
were
not
gratuitous
about
it.
F
There's
no
there's
no
cost
whatsoever
to
the
city,
so
we
cover
the
cost
of
maintenance
as
well.
If
you
were
to
purchase
this
outright,
let's
say
and
let's
we're
not
using
the
sun
protection
program
and
Cynthia
came
to
me
and
said:
I
want.
You
know
ten
in
my
aquatic
centers,
this
sunscreen
dispenser
is
$70
the
natural
sunscreen
that
we
use.
It
comes
in
a
gallon
as
$200.
This
pole
is
a
hundred
so
right
there
you're
looking
at
about
350
dollars,
starter
package.
F
That
does
not
include
the
display
that
displays
about
roughly
two
hundred
and
seventy
five
dollars
to
three
hundred
dollars.
So
you're
looking
you'd
be
looking
at
about
six
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
to
to
get
one
of
these
units
in
your
park,
and
then
we
wouldn't
provide
maintenance.
That's
if
you
were
to
buy
it
outright
again.
The
difference
is
this
sun
protection
program.
There's
not
a
penny.
Well,.
J
Charge
no
I
mean
like
if
I
was
the
sponsor.
Oh
yeah
and.
F
So
the
way
we
we
break
it
down,
so
we
all
of
our
costs,
which
there's
quite
a
lot.
We
dedicate
a
project
manager
to
these,
which
also
communicate
with
the
cities.
Most
of
our
costs
is
wrapped
up
in
maintenance,
for
example,
New
York
City
alone,
and
we
use
it's
just
so
you
guys
know
we
use
janitorial
service
companies,
so
they're
approved
they
all
go
through
background
checks,
but
they're,
expensive,
New,
York
City,
our
maintenance
alone.
Our
cost
was
around
ten
thousand
dollars
a
month.
Here,
it's
gonna
be
dramatically
less
expensive.
F
I
would
imagine,
somewhere
between
seven
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
a
month
to
service
ten
to
twelve
twelve
hundred
a
month,
our
cost.
We
have
program
manager,
Braille
tout,
it's
unlimited
sunscreen
and
it's
unlimited
hardware.
So
this
thing
never
runs
out
and
if
anything
were
to
be
damaged,
we
replace
in
24
hours.
That's
a
guarantee.
We
see
very,
very
little
vandalism
issues,
it's
it's
remarkable.
Actually,
so
there's
a
cost
associated
with
that
as
well.
But
again
we
just
look
at
our
cost
and
then
we
just
put
on
a
50%
margin
to
it.
Just
typical
and.
F
F
They
vary
and
it
varies
and
I'm
just
trying
to
do
a
breakdown
per
stand.
So
if
it
was,
and
oh
and
there's
also
a
time
period
here
too
so
the
way
we
broke
it
down
and
like
to
talk
this
through
with
you
guys
is
to
four
month
increments
or
you
know.
Obviously,
sun
sun
is
shining
here
year
round.
So
that's
possibility
as
well.
F
As
of
right
now,
I
don't
know
flipped
out
my
head,
I'm
sure
we
have
a
few,
but
UC
Riverside
would
be
our
our
first
big
one.
They're
looking
to
I
think
do
simultaneous
deployments.
I,
don't
speak
for
them,
but
I
know
for
sure
they're
moving
forward
with
a
campus
initiative
and
they're
opting
into
our
full-service
program
as
well,
so
we'll
be
maintaining
those
units
and
then
they're
very
interested
in
moving
forward
here
in.
F
Yes
and
I
somewhat
addressed
it
with
your
question,
but
so
what
I
presented
to
them
is
a
four
month
period
from
January
until
April,
because
I
know
that's
the
Snowbird
season
here,
but
there's
also
another
one
for
that
I
presented
from
basically
May
until
September,
so
we
run
a
lot
of
our
programs
from
Memorial
Day
to
Labor
Day,
that's
traditional
summer
elsewhere.
Obviously,
Palm
Springs
is
not
a
traditional
summer,
but
and
then
so
I
also
combined
those.
F
So
it's
essentially
a
nine-month
program
that
they
might
be
willing
to
fund
so
you're
just
missing
a
few
months
and
then
I
offered
a
year-round
option.
If
you
guys
would
be
interested
a
lot
of
times,
Parks
departments
just
so
I
just
want
to
put
this
on
the
record.
Every
single
department
we've
worked
with
every
single
city.
We've
worked
with.
Every
single
sponsor
we've
worked
with
thus
far
is
going
to
extend
the
program
in
2020.
If
not
expand,
it
I
think
every
single
one
of
them
is
expanding
it.
F
So
we've
had
a
very
successful
track
record
today.
That
being
said,
it's
really
up
to
you
guys.
A
lot
of
departments
like
to
do
a
trial
run
where
they
put
it
up
in
their
parks
for
four
months,
see
how
they
like
it
to
get
the
hang
of
it
and
then,
if
they
like
it,
they
extend
it
and
expand
it,
and
that's
what
everyone's
done
thus
far.
F
So
it's
really
up
to
you
guys
I,
take
what
you
give
me
and
I
go
back
to
our
potential
client
I
think
what
would
work
best
here
is
ultimate
a
year-round
program,
so
people
could
have
access
to
it.
Year-Round
I
think
they're
interested
in
that.
But
you
know
if
you
guys
wanted
to
start
with
four
months,
and
we
just
do
some
observation
and
then
they
have
the
ability
to
continue
it
I.
That
would
work
as
well.
Commissioner,.
K
Comments
really
more
than
question
one.
Is
that
similar
to
what
Commissioner
Armstrong
mentioned
just
for
our
Commission
one
I
think
we
got
a
look
at
this
as
an
issue
of
having
things
to
be
funded
in
parks
and
how
it
happens
and
I
think
there's
a
difference
of
calling
this
for-profit
versus
if
there's
a
non-profit,
if
it's
a
hospital
or
a
health
system
that
is
doing
something
for
the
public
benefit,
that's
different
than
if
coca-cola
is
sponsoring
it
or
the
maker
of
baseball
bats
is
sponsoring
the
softball
team
or
the
sporting
goods
store.
K
So
I
think
we
need
to
keep
that
in
perspective
as
well,
but
we
ought
to
have
a
more
robust
discussion
around
that
which
gets
us
back
to
one
of
our
priority
items
that
we
had
talked
about
doing
as
a
Commission,
which
was
looking
at
how
we
can
fund
things
through
the
city's
foundation,
which
just
happened
this
past
week
we
saw
David
Wright
dr.
Reddy
again,
and
he
did
also
say.
K
Yes,
there
is
a
foundation
that
we
can
take
in
donations,
for
so
there's
probably
a
way
of
doing
this,
and
we
probably
ought
to
do
it
right
so
that
if
people
ask
us
well,
you
did
it
for
bright
guard.
Why
can't
you
do
it
for
whatever
we
can
look
at
a
city
policy
for
that?
The
second
comment
I
just
wanted
to
make
was
that
we
have
a
crying
need
for
this
year-round.
K
Unlike
most
places,
and
probably
the
time
that
is
most
needed
is
in
our
real
meteorological
summer
and
when
it
is
110
plus
degrees
here
every
day,
and
there
are
people
who
are
using
our
parks
every
day
and
we
have
very
high
incidence
of
melanoma
and
other
skin
cancers
here.
So
it
probably
is
something
and
the
people
who
are
living
here
and
who
are
using
the
parks
or
the
residents
who
are
paying
the
taxes
and
want
to
see
these
kinds
of
things
of
the
city
is
behind
them.
K
So
I
just
like
to
voice
that
one
I
think
it's
a
great
initiative,
think
that
we
do
have
to
think
about
some
larger
policy
issues,
but
I.
Thank
you
for
bringing
it
to
our
city,
and
we
like
to
I
personally,
would
like
to
work
with
us
and
that
I
would
like
to
see
it
prioritized
for
our
city
residents
as
much
as
for
the
visitors
and
seasonal
visitors.
Fantastic.
A
L
F
A
great
question,
and
actually
Alan,
is
this
thing
up.
I
prepped
me
on
that.
It's
just
for
your
knowledge,
and
this
is
how
I
start.
When
anyone
asked
me
that
question
we,
we
determined
to
use
SPF,
30
dermatologists,
recommend
anything
above
SPF
15.
Just
so
you're
aware,
the
CDC
is
starting
to
eliminate
SPF
100's
because
they
don't
exist
and
the
difference
between
an
SPF,
30
and
a
50
is
1%.
So
it's
negligible
and
they're
also
looking
into
claims
that
SPF
50
is
a
marketing
ploy.
F
G
I'm
kind
of
curious:
you
made
the
statement,
you
don't
have
a
problem
with
vandalism,
no
I
could
see
that
is
so
bright
and
yellow
all
right
now,
I
could
see
there
would
be
vandalism,
so
our
hairiest,
if
you're,
going
to
place
them
in
an
area
where
they're
going
to
be
monitored
or
are
they
gonna
be
just
randomly
placed
around?
Where
nobody's
there
to
see
that
people
are
messing
with
great.
F
Great
questions,
so
just
so,
you
guys
are
aware.
I'll
give
you
anecdote
in
New
York
City.
We
had
221
dispensers,
and
this
was
in
Coney
Island.
This
was
in
Rockaway
Beach.
This
is
in
every
one
of
their
aquatic
centers
and
we
had
dispensers
at
Jones
Beach.
We
had
dispensers
at
Robert
Moses
and
for
two
years
now.
We
this
is
our
third
year,
but
for
two
years
we've
had
nine
dispensers
go
down
due
to
vandalism.
F
So
this
last
year,
at
a
221,
we
had
four
dispensers
that
we
had
to
just
take
the
cover
off
and
put
it
back
and
put
a
new
one
on.
We
do
have
a
vandalism
policy,
that's
consistent
with
most
parks
departments,
the
first
incidents
of
vandalism
we
clean
up
within
24
hours,
the
second
one
we
actually
removed
the
dispenser
from
market
and
try
to
find
a
new
home
from
it.
So
you're.
First
to
just
your
first
question.
What
we
like
to
do
is
work
with
parks
departments
and
we
like
to
place
these
dispensers
with
staff
present.
F
We
don't
like
very
rarely.
Do
we
put
dispensers
out
in
parks
that
are
unmanned,
so
there
is
that
level
of
supervision
that
I
think
keeps
people
away
from
vandalism,
so
we
start
there
and
then
we
have
that
backup
policy.
Just
in
case
we
had
50
dispensers
in
Santa
Monica
and
we
had
three
giant
towers
which
are
illustrated
in
the
bright
card
document.
F
There
seven-foot
Tower
and
we
had
two
instances
of
graffiti
this
last
summer,
but
it
was
able
to
be
washed
up
in
24
hours
and
that
was
it
and
I
think
it's
mostly
due
to
our
placement
and
then,
secondly,
I
think
people
appreciate
it
I'm,
not
exactly
sure,
but
that
would
be
my
guess,
because
we've
seen
such
a
low
instance
and
I
think
another
thing
to
note.
We
completely
indemnify
your
organization
as
well
as
the
city.
J
You
okay!
So
let's
just
say
this
is
great,
we'll
put
it
by
every
tennis
court,
pickleball
court,
swim,
centers
and
DeMuth
around
the
soccer.
You
know
where
we
really
have
a
population,
so
tell
tell
me
about
the
service
contract
or
the
service
agreement,
so
this
is
a
new
territory
for
you
and
you
commented
that
you
come
in
and
actually
do
the
service
correct.
How
would
you
have
like
you
know
boots
on
the
ground?
Does.
F
That
look
like
that's
a
great
question,
so
we
haven't
investigated
who
we'd
work
with
out
here
as
of
yet
because
this
is
kind
of
new,
but
it's
moving
quickly.
It
depends
so
in
Santa
Monica.
We
use.
We
actually
use
my
brother
in
Santa
Monica,
but
typically
we
use.
If
we
can,
we
use
close
friends
and
family,
and
that
was
only
in
Southern
California
because
we
have
access
to
it,
but
in
New
York
in
Florida
we
use
janitorial
maintenance
companies,
so
that
would
be
our
first
place.
F
We
look
here,
there's
quite
a
few
that
service
the
office
buildings
in
this
region
and
we
utilize
their
staff
to
work
with
our
dispensers
I
come
out,
I
give
them
a
little
training.
We
go
over
the
dispensers
and
then
once
they're
approved
and
if
you
guys
need
to
approve
them,
we'll
go
through
that
process
as
well.
We
connect
with
Cynthia
or
the
parks
department
to
connect
schedules.
The
my
crew
works
with
Cynthia
to
find
a
time
where
they
could
go
consistently
to
every
dispenser.
F
E
F
Don't
and
we
have
not
yet
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
case
where
we,
where
we
offer
that
that
has
been
talked
about,
but
we
haven't
done
it
to
date,
yet
it's
a
possibility.
I
just
don't
know.
Typically
that
happens
on
we're
more
likely
to
get
that
to
happen
you're
to
here
three
after
the
first
trial
period,
if
we
feel
that's
necessary,
but
we
have
not
to
date
no
I.
E
Frankly,
I
don't
think
people
playing
tennis
in
pickleball
need
free
sunscreen,
our
parks
are
terribly
inequitable
but
where
they're
distributed,
and
so,
if
we
do
go
forward
with
us,
I
would
really
like
to
know
locations
that
are
serving
different
populations
as
well,
not
just
people
that
are
pointing
took
a
ball
or
tennis.
A
lot
of
our
parks
are
not
evenly
distributed
around
the
city,
so
I
would
be
looking
for
these
to
be
some
fairness.
D
So
we
have
some
parks
that
are
larger
than
others.
So
my
recommendation,
if
this
was
a
direction
that
we
decided
to
go
into,
would
be
to
place
to
at
sunrise
park,
one
at
the
pool
two
at
DeMuth,
because
we
have
so
much
activity
when
it
comes
to
baseball
and
soccer
and
just
people
using
the
park
in
general
to
at
Ruth
hardy
one
at
Victoria,
possibly
one
at
Bristow,
one
at
James,
Oh
Jessie.
D
And
we
could
definitely
place
one
at
the
dog
park
in
downtown,
so
there
would
be
more
than
enough
to
go
to
all
of
our
park
locations.
It's
just
the
bigger
parks
that
I
would
be
worried
about
placing
more
than
one
so
that
we
wouldn't
have
to
walk
clear
across
the
park
to
get
some
sunscreen,
since
we
have
so
much
activity
in
our
larger
ones.
I'm.
F
Commissioner
I'm,
sorry
that
was
a
great
question.
We
had
to
address
that
same
question
in
Tampa,
as
well
as
New
York
City,
to
serve
the
population
that
sunscreen
is
expensive.
It
often
is
$12
plus,
so
some
families
can't
afford
to
do
that.
So
that
was
stressed
in
New
York
City.
Hence
why
we
did
all
the
public
pools
to
address
that
void
and
offer
free
sunscreen.
So
definitely
a
consideration.
A
D
I
I
would
say:
let's
continue
this,
so
we
can
find
out
some
more
information
in
regards
to
how
the
city
wants
to
deal
with
sponsorships
and
and
items
being
named,
and
then,
when
we're
ready
to
come
back
when
we
feel
we
have
enough
information,
we
can
definitely
make
a
decision
because
it
sounds
like
you
still
don't
have
a
full
I.
Don't.
F
Have
a
full
commitment,
but
the
first
that
they're
looking
for
is
is
shortly
after
the
holiday,
so
sometime
in
January
is
that
first
proposed
and
I'll
probably
get
a
conversation
before
the
holiday
break
as
well
with
that
answer,
so
I'll
know
a
little
bit
more
and
UC
Riverside
is
spearheading
their
cancer
centers
spearheading.
This
really
so
I
know
all
know
rapidly,
probably
before
the
holidays,
I.
A
L
H
J
J
F
F
J
J
A
F
D
A
Shall
we
table
that
to
the
next
one?
Yes,
all
right,
so
then
the
the
gerald
clark
road
sign
project
will
be
moved
to
our
next
agenda.
I
would
like
to
ask
Stacey
Shaffer
our
director
of
maintenance
is
that
your
you'll
tell
us
what
it
is
to
join
us
at
the
table
as
we
discuss
the
dog
park,
issues
that
were
brought
up
in
our
last
comment,
as
some
people
know,
Stacy
handles
our
maintenance
issues
where
Cynthia
handles
our
program
issues
in
our
Park.
A
D
A
M
I
A
M
We
had
drainage
issues,
so
we
had
to
take
care
of,
as
we
all
talked
a
few
months
ago.
Other
words
several
areas
have
runoff
in
several
areas
that
were
sunken,
so
we
worked
with
our
contractor
to
create
a
whole
new
drainage
system
and
part
of
that,
but
removing
big
sections
installing
different
layers
of
rock
drain
systems
and
then
new
sod
overtop
of
that,
as
well
as
the
over
seating
that
would
take
place
after
and
then,
of
course,
we
also
snuck
in
the
tree
trimming
and
the
hedge
trimming.
At
the
same
time,.
M
Liking,
one
of
the
requests
I'd
had
was
just
to
bring
a
list
of
the
maintenance
items
that
we've
been
doing
during
this,
the
shutdown
the
shade
the
shade
membrane
was
replaced
in
the
small
dog
park.
Obviously,
we've
been
doing
a
lot
of
gravel
removal,
swapping
it
out
for
smaller,
as
requested
one
of
the
two
drinking
fountains
was
installed.
The
reason
we
installed
the
one
on
the
exterior
first
was
because
I
was
leaking.
It
was
a
maintenance
issue.
There
is
a
second
one
that
will
be
installed
by
the
time
we
reopened
inside.
M
G
M
Biggest
issue
we
have
with
any
overseeding
is
heat.
It's
heat
and
humidity,
moisture
germination.
We
actually
use
a
mix
right
now
of
our
the
type
of
see
we've
and
we've
even
tried
hydro
seed.
We've
done
several
different
truck
trials,
with
seed
from
springtime
to
blue
mixes
this
time
of
year.
Basically,
it's
really
dictated
by
by
the
temperature,
the
hotter.
It
is
the
less
likely
we
are
to
germinate.
M
The
cooler
months
obviously
are
the
better
months
and
then
add
in
the
moisture,
and
that's
where,
where
we
are
that's,
why
citywide
it's
not
just
the
dog
barks
it's
every
park,
every
golf
course
everybody's
yard,
unfortunately,
sometimes
even
in
October.
We're
still
really
warm
well.
I
noticed
the
hard.
G
That
the
pack
would
scoff
course
was
done
in
the
beginning
of
October
and
it
was
green
before
they
even
touched
to
move,
and
so
it
was
just
a
timing
issue
because
there's
no
place
for
people
to
go
and
if
they're
crammed
into
the
other
dog
parks.
Of
course,
now
you're
gonna
get
people
that
are
not
going
to
use
the
dog
parks
they're
going
to
use
the
baseball
field,
so
they're
gonna
go
to
the
golf
course
I
mean
I,
see
I,
definitely
hear
what
the
problem
is.
M
J
J
M
Similarly,
we
did
four
years
ago
we
altered
the
over
seating
schedule
at
DeMuth
in
relation
to
some
of
these
same
concerns.
That
was
actually
was
related
to
ballfield
play
and
we
lost
most
of
those
and
had
to
redo
them
and
the
ball
fields
the
soccer
fields
it
was.
It
was
very
expensive
and
made
the
players
pretty
unhappy,
and
that
was
a
result
of
going
too
far
forward
and
too
far
back
sure.
A
J
I
mean,
since
this
is
a
topic
on
the
agenda,
the
subcommittee
dog
park
subcommittee
did
meet
and
we
had
a
chat,
and
so
I'd
like
to
maybe
at
some
point
tonight
open
up
for
a
larger
discussion.
I
did
go
and
have
an
opportunity
to
head
over
rancho
mirage
to
their
dog
park,
and
I
met
with
their
M&O
folks.
They
shut
down
totally
100%.
J
Their
timeline
is
four
weeks.
They
struggle
with
the
same
things
that
our
dog
park
struggles
with
I,
don't
quite
know
why
ours
is
closed
for
longer.
Rancho
mirage
said
that
they
do
not
separate
irrigation
and
drainage,
they
just
closed
it
down
because
they
need
to
do
full
maintenance
on
everything.
It's
their
one
opportunity
where
there's
no
foot
traffic,
Nate,
neighbors
and
community
members
who
use
the
dog
park
complain.
So
they
struggle
with
the
same
conversations
from
the
community.
They
feel
pretty
committed
to
that's.
J
What's
working
for
them
now
and
I
will
say
it
is
an
absolutely
outstanding
dog
park,
one
it
has
more
I
believe
its
larger
footprint
than
ours.
The
other
thing
I
can
say
is
that
it
probably
has
70%,
DG
and
and
cement.
You
know
walkway
and
their
grass
is
decorative.
It
is
not
the
the
mass
or
the
largest
part
of
the
dog
park.
Four
years
ago,
when
the
subcommittee
was
established,
which
it
really
was
ad
hoc.
It
was
not
a
standing
subcommittee
and
it
consisted
of
two
parks
and
recs
commissioners
City
Council
members
and
city
staff.
J
There
was
a
suggestion
that
this
dog
park
would
have
separate
irrigations
so
that
the
large
dog
park
would
be
divided
in
two
and
a
portions
of
it.
I
was
told
many
years
later
that
there
wasn't
enough
money
to
actually
have
two
separate
irrigations,
which
is
why
we
have
the
one
full
irrigation
and
then
I
do
see.
J
M
J
J
That
was
unique
and
saw
it
on
top
of
that
right
and
Rancho
Mirage
had
a
lot
of
drainage
problems
as
well
and
flooding,
and
so
they
created
ditches
in
the
areas
to
capture
it
and
put
large
large
rocks
large
enough
that
large
dogs
actually
wouldn't
find
it
interesting
to
go
over
there.
So
they
did
the
same
thing.
But
then
they
tried
to
create
this
solution
with
absorbing
some
of
that
and
putting
things
down
so
that
dogs
and
their
owners
wouldn't
walk
on
it
and
get
messed
up.
So
just
wanted
to
show
that
how.
A
J
Of
please
I
can't
address
today,
but
I
will
address
of
what
was
and
then
of
Commissioner
Armstrong
who's.
Also
in
the
subcommittee
has
some
comments,
but
I'll
address
a
few
years
ago,
the
ad
hoc
committee
that
went
through
the
first
renovation
of
the
dog
park
and
it's
very
expensive
astroturf
for
artificial
grass
is
very
expensive
and
it
was
the
city's
first
choice.
The
city
really
really
wanted
to
suggest
they
did
suggest
it.
J
They
wanted
it
to
be
a
part
of
it
and
the
community
came
and
like
just
the
rows
of
people
saying
we
want
grass,
we
want
grass
and
the
city
said
the
grass
won't
last
it
can't.
Last
city
is
really
very
fragile
when
you
have
the
footprint
that
our
dog
park
has
and
we
could
open
a
second
dog
park
and
I
still
believe
and
I'm
a
dog
owner
and
I
frequent
dog
parks
and
I
have
I.
J
Have
this
one
is
a
little
too
crowded
and
it's
unpredictable,
so
I
don't
actually
bring
my
dog
to
that
dog
park,
and
so
the
astroturf
is
a
really
great
solution.
It's
not
necessarily
environmental
and
green
footprint
for
everything
that
natural
it's
like
to
do
in
the
in
the
summer.
It
can
be
cooled,
it
does
have
an
excessive
amount
of
heat,
though
in
mid
day
at
in
the
summer.
J
M
Was
my
memory
as
well
and
I
know
one
of
the
concerns
was
it
wasn't
really
tried
and
true
I
know
since
then,
we've
had
Cerritos
field
with
great
success
there
and
I
think
as
as
technologies
improved
over
time.
There
are
now
astroturf
that
are
specifically
made
for
dogs.
I,
don't
have
a
breadth
of
knowledge
on
that
I'm,
aware
of
them
and
I
know,
there
are
some
areas
that
are
I,
don't
know
if
it's
our
climate,
where
those
have
been
tried
out
but
I,
know
there's
new
technology
and
there's
folks
trying
more
and
more
often.
G
Your
comment
that
you're
doing
major
rehab
on
the
park
this
year
and
doing
foundational
work
and
putting
weed
cloth
down.
Does
that
mean
that
next
year,
probably
it
won't
take
that
much
rehab,
absolutely.
M
G
G
Now
that
maybe
will
accommodate
dogs
I'm,
hoping
that
would
be
cooler,
but
I
personally
would
not
use
the
plastic
only
because
plastic
gets
too
hot,
now
you're
right
at
seven
o'clock
in
the
morning,
perhaps
not,
but
my
dog
wants
to
go
out
at
noon.
You
know
I'm,
like
an
Englishman
I'm
out
there
at
noon.
E
Gee
first
I
want
to
thank
Kelly
for
all
her
work
and
bringing
this
issue.
You
all
saw
the
dog
park.
Community
I
was
a
tiny,
tiny
portion
of
the
dog
park.
Community
Kelly
could
probably
fill
this
meeting
up
every
month
with
triple
than
that.
So
this
is
a
concern.
The
old
master
plan
members
at
a
previous
speaker
gave
out
shout
50%
of
the
people
in
the
city
care
about
the
dog
park.
E
I
think
it's
important,
and
that
is
very
old
study
and
the
popular
the
dog
park
is
only
increased
since
then,
but
you
know
to
step
back.
I
think
this
is
all
right.
Under
our
agenda
item
to
look
at
the
bigger
picture,
I
talked
to
Kelly
before
this
meeting
and
all
the
city
is
doing
is
gets
in
a
cycle.
People
get
really
upset.
We
do
some
fixes,
maybe
more
than
a
band-aid,
maybe
date.
Three
years
later,
everyone
comes
back.
We
have
to
get
out
of
this
cycle.
E
One
of
the
things
that
Ellen
and
I
talked
about
and
was
talked
about
in
previous
meetings,
is
establishing
a
subcommittee
of
Ashley
people
that
use
the
dog
park.
Who
can
be
honored
to
make
sure
that
Stacie's
department
or
the
parks
department
actually
listen
to
the
people
and
fix
things
before
they
get
to
the
point
that
they're
at
today?
That's
the
only
way
we're
going
to
get
out
of
this
cycle
that
people
are
gonna
come
here
go
to
the
council.
E
E
You
know
the
over
seating
is
more
complicated
than
staff
is
I,
think
talking
about
in
years
past,
the
Commission
would
actually
have
meetings
at
the
park
talk
to
the
dog
park
community.
Do
you
want
to
seat
it
or
not?
There
was
a
period
of
three
years
where
it
was
not
seated,
and
then
there
was
an
experiment
of
every
other
year
receding
over
seating
and,
as
I
recall
from
that
it
turned
out
to
be
as
no
difference
between
annual
seating
and
every
other
year
over
seating.
E
Also,
we
were
promised
by
the
city
years
ago
that,
when
the
doc
burglary
is
done,
that
there
would
be
an
established
that,
especially
on
the
larger
side,
that
there
would
be
a
segregation
so
that
there
would
be
over
seating
doing
two
different
periods.
Now
I've
learned
recently
unbeknownst
to
me
that
that
irrigation
was
never
put
in
properly
to
do
that.
But
that
was
the
deal
that
the
city
made
at
the
time
with
one
of
the
last
eruptions
was
that
we
were
going
to
change
the
irrigation
so
that
we
could
segregate
one
part
over
seed.
E
Keep
the
other
part
open,
at
least
on
the
larger.
The
discussion
of
the
smaller
was
to
remove
the
turf,
yet
the
south
part
enough
that
it
could
be
kept
open.
None
of
that
has
happened
and
I
think
last
year
that
was
raised
again
and
to
staff,
and
nothing
happened
with
that
either
on
the
seven-week
versus
six
week.
It's
always
been
closed
at
least
six
weeks,
regardless
of
what's
been
happening
in
the
park
or
the
last
many
many
years.
E
If
we
have
the
old
signs,
we
can
kind
of
go,
look
and
and
correct
that
and
see
that
I
will
say
a
byproduct
of
the
three-day
a
week
has
meant
that
staff
is
now
closing
the
park
on
Wednesdays
from
noon
to
3:00
so
and
it's
not
really
being
cleaned
from
three
hours,
and
so
we
have
nine
hours
during
the
week
now,
primetime
that
and
people
are
not
able
to
use
the
park.
I
know
that
people
asked
for
that,
but
you
know
I
was
there
one
day
and
they
closed
the
park.
E
I
had
my
two
little
dogs,
he
missed
the
park
so
much
one
of
my
dogs,
Johnny,
he's
been
going
there
10
years,
they
closed
it
and
they
walked
away,
and
then
they
came
back
an
hour
later
because
they
just
wanted
to
close
in
that's
that's
the
people.
We
have
I'm
cleaning
the
park
right
now,
just
quickly
on
turf,
I
know
it's
a
big
discussion.
E
There
is
I,
think
the
sustainability
committee
Commission
resolution
I
think
maybe
when
you're
on
it,
that
against
against
turf
in
our
city
parks
and
the
city
has
put
turf
in
one
of
the
ball
fields.
After
that
resolution
was
was
passed
but
I'm
asking
our
fellow
kid
my
fellow
commissioners
to
either
tonight
or
next
month
set
up
the
subcommittee.
If
we
don't
do
it,
we're
just
gonna,
keep
we're
gonna.
Have
people
like
Kelly
upset
and
organizing
to
come
here
and
the
park
is
gonna,
go
down
downhill
again.
A
G
I'm
wondering
if
a
study
was
ever
done
when
we
discussed
this
a
couple
of
months
ago,
dr.
Reddy
said
well,
you
know.
One
thing
we
could
do
is
just
put
in
Reis
on
it
four
times
a
year.
He
did
make
that
suggestion.
I,
don't
know
if
it
was
serious,
but
he
said
there
was
one
way
to
deal
with
it.
Has
there
ever
been
a
study
done
cost
wise
how
much
it
would
cost
to
resolder
everybody
four
times
a
year,
I.
N
A
You
have
to
have
a
lot
of
traffic
going
on
it,
so
it
probably
has
to
get
take
hold
at
that
point.
But
I
would
like
to
ask
Stacey
to
look
into
that
and
give
you
the
answer,
but
in
with
the
dog
park,
Stacey's
put
together
a
presentation
that
she's
gonna
give
to
us
today
under
number
three
on
shades
and
seating
conceptual
design.
So
let's
go
into
that
one
and
see
what
you
have
that
you
want
to
present
to
us.
A
M
We
obviously
stayed
pretty
consistent
with
the
benches
and
the
fountains
with
the
the
human
pet
fountain,
so
we're
trying
to
stay
consistent
across
the
board
with
what
we
have
we're,
also
moving
forward
with
those
fountains
and
and
all
of
our
city
parks
were
at
least
trying
to
get
one
in
every
city
park.
Right
now
same
thing
with
the
shade
canopies
there's
different
size
variations.
M
The
other
recommendation
that
we
had
for
you
to
consider
was
the
possibility
of
there's
a
section
for
those
who've
been
around
a
long
time
would
know
the
old
DeMuth
playground,
which
is
kind
of
on
the
north-east
corner
there,
it's
it's
around
by
the
pickleball
courts
that
playground
was
removed,
but
there's
this
large
space.
Now
that
has
sidewalks
already
around
there.
M
It's
just
filled
with
sand
right
now
and
I
think
that
might
be
a
really
good
viable
option
for
us
for
a
potentially
another
small
dog
park
again,
so
that
when
we
have
over
seating,
we
have
two
different
options:
that
I
have
DG
that
won't
have
the
impact
of
bidding
shut
down
once
or
twice
a
year.
And
again
this
is
all
conceptual
there's,
obviously
plenty
of
room
for
whatever
feedback
changes,
we're
just
I'm
just
trying
to
get
you
a
starting
point.
Can
I
just
share
something
real,
quick.
B
M
J
Thank
you
two
things.
One
I
would
really
love
to
establish
the
subcommittee
with
community
members,
so
we
can
get
some
input.
That's
the
first
recommendation
and
then
another
thing
that
we
talked
about
at
our
subcommittee
meeting
is
that
the
the
dog
park
provides
opportunities
for
some
community
members
who
might
otherwise
be
isolated
and
one
of
the
things
that
and
we
visit
the
dog
parks.
Frequently.
A
L
M
L
They
only
have
the
dogs
can
only
go
to
their
dog
park
correct
off
leash,
but
can
they
go
on
leash
in
the
regular
parks
in
Rancho
Mirage?
No,
that's
that's
what
I
was
trying
to
clarify,
so
we
actually
allow
dogs
in
all
of
our
parks.
So
we
have
yes,
I,
understand
that,
but
I'm
just
saying
we
actually
have
two
dog
parks
that
are
on
leash
or
off
leash,
and
then
dogs
are
allowed
in
all
the
parks
in
Rancho.
Mirage
only
has
one
dog
park.
L
So
that
that
that
was
just
kind
of
my
question,
what
does
the
other
cities
since
we're
comparing
in
to
Rancho
Mirage?
Do
they
allow
dogs
in
their
other
parks,.
K
J
My
instinct
is
that
these
drawings
happen
because
there
was
a
suggestion
from
the
city
and
so
I
would
be
led
to
believe
just
instinctually
that
the
city
has
has
some
interest
in
this
and
I'm
not
feeling
like
we
have
to
lobby
measure
J
or
encourage
measure
J
to
use
alternative
funds.
I
I
mean
we
didn't
give
the
directive
to
do
this,
and
so
that's
just
my
instinct.
So
I
am
very
pleased
and
I'd
like
to
see
this
move
forward
as
quickly
as
possible.
Before
there's
a
change
of
mind.
This.
A
A
And
I
were
running
down
the
hall
of
City
Hall
and
David
Reddy
stopped
us,
and
he
was
so
excited
about
this.
He
wasn't
to
talk
to
us.
We
had
like
two
minutes
because
we
were
trying
to
get
to
a
meeting
and
we
said
you
know
hold
that
we'll
get
back
to
you
and
we
wanted
to
get
back
to
him,
but
he
is
behind
this
100%.
It
looks
like
so
things
are
moving
forward
because
he
was
said.
N
Good
evening,
I'm
carrying
David's
request
to
this
commission
that
we,
we
are
eagerly
wanting
to
move
forward
with
a
recommendation
to
Council
for
developing
these
other
two
dog
areas
at
DeMuth
and
then
improving
this
one.
So
obviously
we
need
to
get
stakeholder
input
on.
What's
the
most
appropriate
solutions
for
these
dog
parks,
I
was
involved,
as
you
know,
with
the
retrofit
of
this
one
and
turf
was
a
big
debate.
N
N
If
we
don't
have
it
closed
for
at
least
six
weeks,
then
the
new
germinated
rye
grass
will
be
eaten
up
by
the
dogs
by
their
you
know,
just
by
the
activity,
so
we're
trying
to
find
the
right
balance
of
allowing
that
rye
grass
to
Germany
and
enough
so
that
it
can
withstand
all
of
that.
High
use
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
turf
is
just
not
an
appropriate
solution
for
a
dog
park
that
has
a
significant
yes
and
we
may
end
up
getting
to
that
point
at
some.
N
You
know
at
some
point,
but
we
want
if
we
want,
we
want
to
allocate
the
resources
and
provide
the
maintenance
and
improvements
at
the
dog
parks
that
satisfies
the
stakeholders,
because
it
is
an
if
acun
t'
resource
for
the
community,
so
we're
ready
to
implement
that
and
pursue
funding
for
it,
whether
through
measure
J
or
through
general
funds.
Once
we
have
a
recommendation
from
from
this
commission,
so
we
we
hope
to
arrive
at
that
as
soon
as
possible.
J
If
I
can,
if
I
may
come
in
mr.
Koh,
thank
you.
One
of
the
questions
that
came
up
in
our
subcommittee
meeting
is
really
what
was
the
process
and
what's
the
protocol
for
adding
community
members
to
subcommittees
that
wasn't
really
clear
to
us
and
so
I'm
wondering
since
we're
at
this
kind
of
crossroads
and
Commissioner
Armstrong.
J
Four
years
ago
we
spent
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
and
we're
back
at
the
table
to
spend
three
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
again
and
there's
gotta
be
a
long-term
solution
and
it
has
to
be
a
compromise
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
maybe
in
the
next
few
weeks,
we
could
invite
everyone
in
for
a
discussion
and
I.
Don't
know
your
thoughts.
E
Have
you
seen
in
lieu
of
trying
to
establish
some
kind
of
subcommittee
right
now?
In
addition,
I
think
we
could
have
a
meeting
when
the
dog
park
reopens
and
that
would
be.
There
are
gonna,
be
a
lot
of
people
if
they
are
waiting.
So
sometime
around
that
time
during
the
holidays.
Maybe
if
we
can
get
the
approval
of
the
Commission
and
then
I
don't
know
what
the
we
have
need.
Emotion
for
the
subcommittee,
but
I
do
want
to
make
a
couple
comments.
E
We
had
a
long
meeting
and
we
had
kind
of
an
to
plan
that
we
would
probably
auntie-ji
go
over
tonight,
but
I
do
want
to
say
you
know
people
like
to
Kelly
and
you
know
I.
This
has
been
a
bish
you
mind,
that's
why
I
got
involved
the
city
it's
ten
years
ago,
but
on
the
positive
side,
this
little
triangle
right
here
and
I-
have
all
the
emails
I
think
it
was
back
in
2013
or
2014.
A
man
named
Stewart
went
to
the
dog
park.
E
He
had
two
Scotties,
he
bugged
the
Public,
Works,
Department
and
bugged
them
and
bugged
them,
and
a
couple
of
the
fellows
went
around
with
him
to
all
the
parks
and
he
identified
this
spot
back
then,
and
it
percolated
through
the
city
system.
Maybe
no
one
remembers
that
anymore,
but
he
did
enough
to
get
it
in
people's
memories.
So
this
is
an
example
of
citizen.
You
know
involvement,
it
may
have
taken
five
or
six
years,
but
at
the
time
we
were
told.
No,
the
balls
are
gonna,
come
and
hit
people
in
the
head.
E
You
can't
do
this,
there's
no
parking
and
there's
this
and
that
they're
gonna
run
into
the
golf
course.
No,
no,
no,
he
persisted,
he
got
people
interested
in
it.
Vicky
went
and
looked
at
it,
and
you
know
here
we
are
today
with
actual
plant
I
mean
it
is
our
temporary
park,
but
applying
for
a
more
permanent
park
that
would
fulfill
some
of
the
goals
of
the
parks
master
plan.
So
you
know
when
people
are
getting
down
and
unhappy,
you
know
it
may
take
a
while,
but
there
is
progress
in
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
A
A
J
J
B
J
A
J
D
A
Whether
you
say
we
pushed
for
that,
if
it
doesn't
work
out,
we'll
have
to
move
it
to
our
January
meeting,
but
we'll
try
our
best
to
get
it
in
our
December.
Okay,
do
we
have
approval
of
all
the
commissioners
on
that
motion?
That
way,
all
proof
abstain,
nays,
okay.
So
that's
what
we'll
move
forward
with
them
come
on
I.
K
Well,
that's
another
question
whether
it's
ad
hoc
or
standing
but
I,
you
could
ask
them
to
join
ad
hoc
committee
and
the
question
is:
how
do
you
choose
them?
How
do
you
keep
it
fair?
How
do
you
pick
the
numbers
and
all
those
things
it
gets
to
be
a
larger
question.
So,
if
you're
going
to
do
that
and
then
make
sure
that
it's
diverse
and
representative
of
the
community,
what
have
you
I
think
we're
going
to
get
into
a
larger
discussion.
J
To
topic
six,
yes,
and
we
had
that
conversation
at
the
subcommittee
meeting.
We
had
the
same
questions
and
we
would
love
if
the
city
could
provide
us
with
what
that
protocol
process
is
so
that
we
could
move
forward.
The
dog
park
subcommittee
we're
very
clear.
We
need
community
members
and
more
than
one
and
so
on,.
K
A
Bring
that
up
in
our
topic:
six,
when
we
get
there,
let's
go
through
topic.
Five.
First
on
our
agenda
topic:
five
on
the
agenda
was
our
student
commissioner
process
and
at
the
last
meeting
we
directed
Cynthia
to
put
together
some
information
on
our
student
commission
process.
She
sent
it
out
to
us
what
she
has
put
together.
Cynthia.
Do
you
have
something
you'd
like
to
present
to
us
with
that?
So.
D
So
then,
the
letter
basically
introduces
what
we're
looking
for
gives
a
deadline.
It's
signed
by
both
Patrick
Tyler
Rico
and
myself.
Patrick
is
a
sustainability
manager
and
then
the
other
attachment
was
basically
what
we're
looking
for
in
a
student,
Commissioner
and
the
application.
So
if
the
Commission
is
okay
with
this
packet,
then
we
can
move
forward
on
sending
it
forward
and
recruiting
for
that
student
Commissioner.
J
J
I'm
the
reason
I,
the
reason
why
I
sent
it
was
I
was
a
bit
concerned
with
the
timeline,
at
least
for
the
schools.
So
this
week
schools
are
out
and
then
they
come
back
and
then
just
for
a
few
weeks
and
then
they're
out
again
until
from
December
23rd
until
January
13th.
So
the
timeline
is
not
a
timeline
that
I
think
would
work,
which
is
why
I
wrote
to
the
school
to
ask
them
what
they
thought
about
the
timeline
and
had
they
received
it.
A
A
Unanimous
okay:
our
next
section
is
reports
and
updates
from
our
ad
hoc
committees.
Last
time,
Cynthia
asked
us
to
find
out
what
we
wanted
to
do
about
putting
people
on
our
committees,
how
we
wanted
to
go
about
putting
community
member
non-commissioned
number
on
our
ad-hoc
committees
and
how
many
and
dates
and
times
that
we
would
be
meeting
all
started
out
with
our
major
J
met.
We
can't
see
anyone
wanting
to
be
on
our
major
J
committee,
because
all
we
do
is
go
beg
for
funds
for
every
other
function.
A
We
really
don't
do
any
process
except
keep
our
name
in
front
of
major
J,
so
we
didn't
find
any
one
reason
to
have
a
community
member
on
our
committee
and
we
accepted
to
meet
on
an
as-needed
basis,
and
that
would
be
the
major
J
subcommittee.
Could
I
have
Travis.
You
have
something
to
report
on
your
dog
bark
sure.
E
So
Elle
and
I
met
and
we've
actually
talked
a
lot
about
what
we
discussed
but
to
Fisher
Cohen's
question
about
the
policy.
You
know,
and
you
know
why
you
know
there
used
to
be
a
subcommittee
for
the
dog
park.
I
was
on
it
and
then
one
day
I
was
told
we're
no
longer
having
subcommittees
I,
wasn't
giving
a
reason
why
but
I
think
there
was
a
change
at
the
city
at
that
point,
you
know
the
reasons
why
the
dog
park
really
needs.
E
It
is
because
for
so
we
have
at
least
a
decade
of
strife
and
turmoil
the
people
being
unhappy
and
there
have
been
decisions
made
without
used
without
the
users
of
the
dog
park,
and
so
we
really
need,
as
I
said
earlier,
we
can't
keep
keep
going
back
and
forth
in
this
cycle.
You
know
to
the
number
I
think
there
was
discussion
one.
It
was
really
not
adequate.
You
know
the
the
dog
park
there's
the
main
dog
park,
some
people
at
the
lodge
large
dog
park.
Any
dog
can
go
into
that
park.
That's
for
all
dogs!
E
There's
a
small
dog
park
set
aside
for
small
dogs
there
to
gather,
but
in
some
ways
they're
really
two
different
parks.
The
issues
going
on
at
the
the
main
dog
park
or
the
larger
space
can
be
the
same
but
are
often
different
than
the
smaller
dog
park
that
has
actually
sort
of
a
different
clientele
to
the
dogs
are
obviously
smaller,
but
there's
older
people
it
is
their
social
space.
E
So
just
in
terms
of
precedent,
you
know,
sustainability
had
non
Commissioner
members
on
their
committees,
I'm
a
member
and
I,
was
on
the
water
subcommittee.
We
had
people,
you
know
the
three
key.
We
had
the
opposite
problem
of
so
many
people
wanting
to
be
on.
We
had
people
that
were
willing
to
get
on
people
just
volunteered,
because
it
was
a
commitment,
particularly
if
they
met
every
month.
We
had
people
and
then
they
kind
of
fell
on
the
wayside.
E
As
time
went
by
it
wasn't
like
we
had
so
many
people
so
sort
of
like
whoever
asked
to
be
on
it.
I
don't
know
another
mod,
although
sustainability
for
their
active
transportation
committee,
when
some
of
the
commissioners
left
were
very
into
biking
and
bike
lanes
left
the
committee
kind
of
fell
apart.
It
got
really
a
constitutive
as
sort
of
an
advisory
panel,
so
they
weren't
like
really
formal
subcommittee
members.
They
were,
you
know,
helping
the
subcommittee,
so
that's
kind
of
another
model
as
well.
E
I,
don't
I
think
in
terms
of
timing,
I
think
it's
gonna
have
to
be
kind
of
ad
ad
hoc.
We
have
these
meetings
coming
up
and
then
see
what
happens
with.
If
we
do
get
approval
to
add
members
for
the
process,
I
think
we
talked
about
that.
We
would
post
it
and
you
know
we
would.
We
would
ask
the
Commission
who
they
want
to
be
the
people
interview
in
the
chair.
Maybe
people
in
the
subcommittee,
the
director,
whatever
the
Commission,
decides.
H
K
Comment,
and
also
to
Commissioner
storms,
comment
I'd
like
to
suggest
that
we'll
be
wading
into
difficult
waters,
complex
waters.
If
we
begin
to
invite
people
on
to
an
appointed
body
as
a
subcommittee
in
terms
of
gender
equity,
diversity,
equity,
all
kinds
of
things,
numbers
people
can
question,
why
we're
doing
it
and
my
question
for
us
is:
can
we
extract
the
same
value
and
might
we
be
able
to
get
even
more
value
for
more
stakeholders?
If
we're
doing
what
commissioner
Goodman,
for
instance,
is
suggesting?
K
The
pickleball
community,
the
tennis
community
and
they're
not,
and
it's
much
more
valuable,
has
been
for
me
to
get
the
input
at
a
public
meeting.
If
we
have
people,
then,
who
are
now
invited
onto
a
subcommittee
I,
think
we're
opening
up
a
number
of
other
good
questions
for
ourselves
around
representation
and
diversity.
And
how
do
we
do
that?
If
we're
going
to
do
it
much
Commissioner
Diaz's
point:
there
needs
to
be
direction
from
the
city
about
protocol
and
from
from
city's
attorney,
so
that
we
don't
have
that.
H
Think
is
the
ad
hoc
committees
have
come
along
and
I've
been
part
of
this
Swim
Center
ad
hoc
committee,
as
well
as
the
restroom
ad
hoc.
You
make
it
committee,
as
well
as
the
pickle
ball,
having
those
open
public
forums
where
we
are
hearing
from
all
the
constituents,
those
that
think
they're
speaking
for
everybody
and
those
I
mean
we
are
open
to
listening
to
everyone
and
then
pulling
from
there
and
then
giving
a
representation.
You
know
of
the
majority
of
folks
that
are
there
bringing
the
information
forward
here,
I'd
I,
don't
disagree
or
agree.
H
I,
just
think
those
public
forums
are
so
important
for
the
group
of
people
that
the
topic
is.
You
know
a
very
hot
issue,
so
I
think
that
those
need
to
continue
and
I'm,
not
really
sure,
I
think
if
we
once
you
start
adding
more
subcommittees
and
more
meetings
and
more
things
and
I
don't
know
if
it
leads
to
more
progress
or
less
progress.
I'm
not
really
sure,
but
I
have
seen
in
those
three
ad
hoc
committees
that
I've
been
on
that.
That
is
a
really
great
way
of
you
know
getting
information
rather
than
one
community.
A
E
B
So
we
haven't
I,
haven't
reached
out
to
Les
or
to
Jodi
about
the
smoke
committee.
Yet,
okay,
and
as
far
as
the
naming
my
thought
Travis,
commissioner
Armstrong
was
gonna,
be
a
part
of
that
I'd
like
to
have
his
input
on
some
of
the
naming,
helping
us
with
naming
or
the
protocol
as
far
as
naming,
maybe
the
parks
or
a
bench
or
a
tree
or
something
so
we
haven't
pushed
that
envelope
haven't
opened
that
up
yet.
A
K
G
We
Cynthia
came
up
with
the
idea
and
a
suggestion
that
we
meet
with
one
of
the
designers
who
is
coming
up.
I
think
it
was
sunrise
park
we
haven't
met
yet,
but
we
as
a
committee,
want
to
meet
with
the
person
who
is
going
to
design
this
specific
facility
just
to
see
what
the
ideas
are,
whether
we
need
someone,
as
you
suggested
that
maybe
one
or
two
people
but
I
I
kind
of
agree
with
with
David
I.
G
Think
in
this
situation,
we're
talking
about
some
expertise
is
needed,
everyone's
going
to
say,
yeah,
we
wanted
to
look
nice,
everyone's
gonna
say
we
want
to
clean.
Everyone
is
going
to
say
it
has
to
be
sanitary,
so
I
think
the
way
that
I
would
like
to
see
it
happen
is
we
will
meet
with
the
designers
as
they
come
up
with
their
situation
and
how
we're
going
to
spend
the
money.
That's
mr.
Jake
gave
us
and
we,
we
kind
of
decided
I've
got
a
response
from
two
people
that
it's
probably
as
needed.
G
A
L
L
If
all
of
our
meetings
are
between
8
to
5,
that's
one
of
the
reasons
we
kind
of
move
this
one
back
so
that
we
could
make
it
available
to
people
and
once
again,
I
was
able
to
join
the
committee
because
we
moved
the
time
back,
but
I
cannot
meet
during
the
day.
I
work.
A
J
J
A
J
I'm
gonna
turn
it
over
to
Johnny
to
kind
of
speak
on
I
want
to
just
comment
on
Commissioner
Crawford's
comment,
which
I
think
is
really
great:
I,
really
like
the
idea
of
community
meetings.
We've
had
many
of
them
with
vary
with
different.
Just
about
every
committee.
We've
had
swimming
pickleball,
we've
had
community
we're
having
them
with
the
dog
park
and
I
really
think
that's
a
place
for
the
public
to
really
have
an
opportunity
and
we've
had
hours
on
Saturdays
because
it
really
just
suits
and
we've
had
them
in
locations
that
are
conducive
to
the
community.
J
So
Swim
Center
was
at
the
Swim,
Center
and
so
forth.
So
I
really
encourage
that
I,
don't
know
if
a
parks
and
recs
meeting
at
7
p.m.
would
really
sad
us
by
that.
But
I
do
think
these
community
meetings
can
I
I'm,
sorry,
I'm
gonna
need
to
leave,
and
so
I'll
turn
it
over
to
Johnny
for
pickleball
and
Jody.
Your
were
never
off
the
committee.
H
B
You're
gonna
be
back
on
it.
That's
for
sure.
So
we
had
a
brief
discussion
over
the
phone
and
a
lot
of
what
we
discuss
was
how
to
talk
to
measure
J
about
some
of
the
money
that
we
talked
about
as
far
as
the
sunrise
Park
facility
and
how
the
pickleball
community
needed
another
facility
that
we
can
build
upon.
J
K
I
think
you
both
summarized
that
I
mean
there
was
nothing
pressing
there.
There's
maintenance
is
being
done,
there's
need
for
both
at
the
tennis
facilities,
as
well
as
the
pickleball
facilities,
but
it's
being
addressed
as
best.
We
can
within
both
the
timeframes
that
we
have
compressed
for
the
season,
people
being
there
and
the
monies
that
are
available
now
and
really
summarized
it
well,
which
was
in
order
to
do
anything
more
substantial.
K
A
Does
this
pretty
much
give
you
the
update
of
what
the
subcommittee's
will
be
doing?
Could
I
ask
Commissioner
Armstrong
to
maybe
at
our
next
meeting,
provide
to
us
some
background
of
what
was
the
pros
and
cons
of
having
someone
from
the
non
Commission
on
those
in
the
past
and
how
that
was
handled
and
presented
to
us
so
that
we
can
get
a
better
understanding
of
it
at
our
next
meeting?
A
Okay,
so
that
ends
the
discussion
that
we
updated
our
subcommittees
of
where
we're
going
and
everybody
is
working
and
meeting
and
working
with
that
that
brings
us
the
Commissioner
comments.
Can
we
start
with
Commissioner
Diaz?
Do
you
have
any
comments
that
I'm
sorry
did
you
want
to
make
yours
because.
J
B
One
of
the
comments,
I'd
like
to
say,
is
Stacy's
been
doing
a
great
job
with
the
parks
over
at
DeMuth
Park,
especially
the
grass
is
extremely
coming
in
nice.
The
trees
look
good.
We've
got
some
good
things
going
on
with
the
dog
parks
and
and
Kelly.
Thank
you
for
your
presence
and
your
patience
and
helping
us
out
and
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
get
something
going.
This
is
a
good
start,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
them
softball
fields
getting
done
too
and
the
baseball
fields,
but
that's
about
it
and
I
want
to
wish
everybody
happy.
E
I
just
want
to
agree
with
Alan
I
would
like
to
have
this
on
some
agenda
and
not
asking
for
an
answer,
but
I
have
the
premise
thing
to
be:
if
we
increase,
users
were
gonna,
get
more
revenue
and
I
just
wondered
if
that
was
really
how
that
would
how
much
the
really
more
money
would
be,
and
also
you
know,
capacity
issues,
because
it
seems
like
this
Web
Center
is
pretty
busy.
Are
we
do?
We
need
I'm,
not
against
the
signage,
but
there
is
something
that
we
have
a
lot
more
capacity
that
we
get
to
do.
E
D
H
They
need
to
learn
how
to
do
that.
I
was
gonna
comment
on
that
gentleman's
packet
and
proposal
that
they
sent
us
or
that
he
gave
to
us
tonight.
I
understand
where
he's
coming
from
where
it's
you
there
is
no
signage,
and
that
should
be
something
that's
for
all
of
our
perks.
There
should
be
signage
so
that
we
can
increase
usage
and
just
so
the
public
can
say.
Oh
you
know,
I
didn't
know
this
was
here
and
maybe
they
would
at
least
swing
by
and
give
it
a
try
and
again.
D
H
A
Would
like
to
thank
the
commissioners
for
our
Veterans
Day
program.
We
had
John
a
David
Charlie
and
myself
show
up.
We
gave
out
the
challenge
coins
to
the
veterans
and
it
was
a
very
fun
time.
They
were
so
appreciative
of
the
receiving
those
challenge
coins
and
then
the
two
of
them
carried
the
banner
and
the
prayed
for
all
others
that
wanted
to
march
in
the
parade
with
it
and
I
want
to
thank
the
Commission
for
being
involved
at
the
last
minute.
A
With
that
mark,
your
calendars,
December
21st,
is
breakfast
with
Santa
and
the
pavilion
every
year.
There's
people
from
our
counselors
there
and
our
our
Commission
is
always
there
to
meet
with
Santa
and
the
kids
and
see
what
all
is
going
on.
So
his
maze
can
come
that
day.
You
know,
I
would
appreciate
having
some
commissioners
there
we'll
send
out
a
reminder.
A
It's
8
to
12
on
the
21st
of
December,
which
brings
us
to
another
quick
question.
December
23rd
is
our
next
scheduled
Commission
meeting
there
was
talk
about.
Should
we
move
it
from
that?
Someone
asked
me:
it
is
our
regular
scheduled
meeting.
It's
our
regular
scheduled
meeting
date.
Is
anyone
have
a
problem
that
will
we
have
a
quorum
if
we
have
our
meeting
on
the
23rd.
G
A
G
A
H
I
just
wanted
to
say
and
I
nee
know
that
he
addressed
it
and
not
too
long
ago,
a
few
minutes
back,
but
David
did.
But
when
people
come
to
speak
to
us,
they
always
say
you
guys,
you
put
the
faucet
outside
you
guys
built
the
pickleball.
This
way,
you
guys
us
guys,
don't
don't
have
that
authority,
so
we're
just
account.
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
we're
a
council
elected
Commission,
we
don't
get
paid.
A
You
Commission,
we
are
advisers
to
the
council
and
recommend
what
we
pass
through
here.
We
don't
have
the
final
say
if
they
see
it
and
they
don't
agree
with
us,
it
does
not
always
go
our
way,
but
we
are
advisors
to
them
and
appointed
by
them
and
I
do.
Thank
you
for
that
comment.
If
there's
no
other
comments,
I'd
like
to
move
that
the
Commission
meeting
is
closed
until
December
I'm,
sorry
someone's
pointing.