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From YouTube: City Council Meeting | Oct 27 2022
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Regular Meeting of the Palm Springs City Council, held October 27th, 2022
This meeting will also include a report on the Council Closed Session of October 27th
A
Good
evening,
I
would
like
to
hereby
call
to
order
the
Palm
Springs,
regular
city
council,
meeting
of
October
27
2022
and
I
apologize
for
a
closed
session
running
late,
but
it
was
critical
issues
that
needed
to
be
discussed.
So
thank
you
with
that.
The
next
order
of
business
is
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
and
I.
Invite
those
who
would
like
to
please
join
me
in
standing.
A
A
Right,
thank
you.
We
have
tried
to
reduce
the
number
of
presentations
that
we
have,
but
this
one
is
an
extremely
important
and
I
would
like
to
welcome
Jacob
ping
pinconya
from
the
live
stream
bloodblank,
who
is
here
to
present
this,
the
city
council
with
a
plaque
in
commemoration
of
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
being
the
recent
valley-wide
winner
of
the
nine
cities,
blood
challenge.
We
are
really
proud
of
our
citizens,
who
stepped
up
to
meet
this
important
challenge.
Jacob.
A
D
No
worries
I
appreciate
that
mayor,
Middleton
and
Council.
Thank
you
so
much
for
having
me
once
again,
I'm
Jacob
I'm,
the
representative
that
covers
the
Palm
Springs
area.
In
addition
to
some
of
the
other
cities,
part
of
the
nine
cities
challenge
out
here
in
the
low
desert
third
year
in
a
row.
How
about
that
really
awesome,
yeah
a
couple
things
I
want
to
mention
too.
D
First
foremost,
not
only
is
this
your
guys's
third
year
in
a
row
you
guys
are
also
winning
on
the
year
that
we
broke
a
nine
cities
record
for
overall
donations.
We
collected
over
1100
donations
this
summer,
which
is
a
huge
thing
for
us.
We've
been
going
through
some
struggles
during
the
pandemic,
we're
coming
out
of
those
slowly
but
surely,
and
you
know,
having
that
nine
cities
participation
really
helps
out.
So
we
appreciate
all
the
cities,
but
you
know
this
is
about
you
guys.
D
We
really
appreciate
you
guys
here
tonight,
and
so
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
too,
is
all
the
other
cities,
all
the
other
eight
cities
they
hosted
their
own.
You
know
quote-unquote
city
of
blank
blood,
Drive
Palm
Springs
was
the
only
one
that
didn't
but
had
enough.
Community
blood
drives
to
you
know,
come
out
on
top
and
I've
been
hearing
about
some
of
the
Cities
they
want
to
try
to
increase
some
of
those
Community
blood
drives
to
try
to
you
know.
D
Take
the
throne
might
be
something
for
you
guys
to
think
about
maybe
bring
back
that
Palm
Springs
Palm
Springs
blood
drive
for
next
summer,
so
we'll
see
what
we
can
do
about
that.
But
for
now
congratulations
we've
got
the
plaque
here.
It
shows
2022
City,
Palm
Springs
and
the
total
collection.
That
was
a
total
number
that
was
collected
overall
for
the
whole
summer.
So
you
get
guys
can
see
that
record
was
broken
for
the
whole
summer
and
we've
also
got
a
little
certificate
here
for
you
guys
too.
So.
Thank
you
guys.
A
A
Our
next
item
is
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
The
city
council
will
discuss
the
order
of
the
agenda.
May
amend
the
order
at
urgency.
Items
note,
abstentions
are
no
votes
on
the
consent,
calendar
or
requests
consent.
Calendar
items
be
removed
for
separate
discussion.
I
would
like
to
entertain
a
motion
for
acceptance
of
the
agenda
and
are
there
any
items
that
staff
or
council
member
would
like
removed
from
the
consent
calendar
for
separate
discussion
and
or
vote.
F
It
okay,
so
I
just
want
to
mention
item
1p,
which
is
the
approval
of
the
desert
Highlands
mural
by
Richard
Wyatt.
You
should
definitely
all
take
a
look
at
one
of
his
the
examples
of
murals
that
he
has
redone.
He
does
it
with
these
tiles,
and
it
just
looks
absolutely
incredible,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
coming
to
the
side
of
the
desert,
Highlands
Community,
Center
and
I,
and
this
is
something
the
Arts
commission
and
Shonda
Thomas
favot
on
the
Arts
commission
have
been
working
tirelessly
on
for
over
a
year
now.
A
H
F
G
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Next
item
is
public
testimony.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
city
council
on
non-public
hearing
agenda
items.
Only
two
minutes
will
be
assigned
to
each
speaker.
You
are
asked
to
begin
your
time
by
telling
us
what
agenda
item
or
items
you
are
speaking
about
note
that
public
testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
public
hearing
and
general
public
comment
for
subjects
not
on
the
agenda
will
be
taken
later
in
the
evening
city
clerk.
Please
begin
the
public
comment.
E
Hello,
my
name
is
Brad
Anderson
I
currently
live
in
the
city
of
Rancho
Mirage
I
wanted
to
speak
on
item
1A
and
also
item
3D
at
1A.
Most
people
probably
don't
know,
is
the
continuation
of
assembly
Bill
a
well
assembly,
Barrel,
361
I,
believe
it
is,
and
that's
just
allowing
remote
meetings.
I
I
I'm
just
going
to
refresh
your
memory,
not
that
you
have
to
be
refreshed,
but
the
city
can
let
people
call
in
they
don't
need
ab361.
E
This
is
just
allowing
the
city,
council,
members
and
other
commissions
of
the
city
and
Boards
I
guess
to
call
in
and
and
and
I
it's
just
it's
just
being
abused
throughout
the,
not
just
your
city,
but
the
state
of
California,
and
the
prime
example
would
be
your
closed
session
earlier
tonight
or
earlier
this
day
where
it
was
remote.
Only
and
here
you
are
today
right
here
in
person
so
Are
you
purposely
avoiding
the
public
at
that.
Well,
anyway,
that's
a
whole
other
subject
because
it's
a
whole
other
agenda
for
the
closed
session.
E
But
you
we
pour
it
out
in
this
meeting,
not
wishy-washy,
but
this
interesting
and
and
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
Skip
to
3D
and
that's
just
consideration
of
having
a
open,
City,
councilor
seat,
I.
Think
it's
pretty
much
it's
just!
It's
almost
sounds
political
that
you're
doing
this
in
advance
of
a
major
election
next
month
when
I'm
sure
the
city
has
protocols
already
in
order
to
address
this,
and
that's
our
help.
Thank
you.
K
Mayor
Middleton,
mayor
Pro,
Tim,
Garner,
council
members,
staff,
yes
I,
my
name
is
Joe
Jackson
I'm
here
to
address
item
3A.
The
blue,
Zone's
feasibility
study.
I
introduced
the
blue
zones
concept
to
the
sustainability
commission
during
my
term
several
years
ago,
and
I
shared
this
book
with
mayor
Middleton
and
several
other
council
members.
At
that
time.
K
The
village
of
Palm
Springs
in
its
earliest
days
was
a
place
where
people
came
to
be
healthy
in
our
dry
desert
climate
and
so
with
the
blue
zones.
We
can
take
another
logical
step
in
this
Century
to
improve
the
health
and
longevity
of
all
members
of
our
community
and
we
can
look
at
how
the
built
environment
and
our
policies
can
further
that
goal.
K
Palm
Springs
is
already
the
most
walkable
City
in
the
valley,
but
we
can
continue
to
make
infrastructure
and
policy
decisions
that
will
improve
our
citizens,
ability
to
work,
play
and
live
here
in
our
city.
The
blue
zones
program
will
engage
residents
and
City
staff
for
a
new
and
better
future.
Other
blue
zones
communities
have
experienced
a
reduction
in
tobacco,
use
a
reduction
in
obesity
and
more
healthy
behaviors.
K
This
would
be
an
ideal
initiative
to
invite
our
neighbors
The
Sovereign
Nation
of
the
Agro
Caliente
tribe,
to
join
with
us
to
make
our
whole
Community
a
healthier
place.
I
want
to
thank
council
member
Coors
for
raising
it
and
getting
it
on
the
agenda
and
I
encourage
all
of
you
to
adopt
3A.
Thank
you.
G
C
A
A
A
H
Mayor
members
of
council,
this
agenda
item
is
to
consider
an
initial
feasibility
study
for
blue
zones
at
a
reduced
cost
of
eighty
five
thousand
dollars.
Blue
zones
are
places
where
communities
live
significantly
longer
healthier
and
more
active
lives.
A
reduced
fee
is
being
offered
because
Riverside
county
is
also
conducting
several
studies
throughout
the
county
and
there
are
economies
of
scale.
H
If
the
council
chooses
to
conduct
a
feasibility
study
now,
by
conducting
the
study,
the
city
would
receive
a
blueprint
for
transformation
or
a
Readiness
report,
as
as
it
is
also
known
that
proposes
and
outlines
the
commitments
that
would
be
necessary
and
the
cost
to
pursue.
The
blue,
Zone's
designation
joining
us
this
evening
is
Dan
buettner,
the
vice
president
of
Business
Development
for
blue
zones
and
he's
going
to
share
more
about
the
proposal
and
the
program.
I
L
Good
evening,
I
am
Dan
buhner
Jr,
vice
president
at
Blue
Zone,
stepping
in
for
Nick
to
answer
any
questions
or
share
in
any
executive
overview
that
that
this
Council
and
audience
would
like
to
know
more
and
I
understand
that
some
of
you
have
some
pretty
good
familiarity
with
blue
zones
and
maybe
for
others.
It
would
be
helpful
to
do
an
overview.
Let
me
know
where
you
want
me
to
begin.
A
L
L
Circumnavigated
the
planet
for
two
years
came
back
empty-handed,
did
not
find
the
Fountain
of
Youth
big
bummer,
but
what
what
we
did
identify
is
five
places
where
best
practice
from
our
species
is
is
occurring,
places
where
people
are
reaching
age
100
at
10
times
the
rate
that
we
are
here
in
American
communities
and
they're
doing
it
with
a
fraction
of
the
disease
prevalence
that
we
have
here
and
when
we
refer
to
disease.
We
refer
to
mind
body,
depression,
physical
metabolical,
disease.
L
It
created
a
great
story,
a
great
brand,
but
we
took
it
a
step
further
10
years
into
the
journey
right
around
2009
to
operationalize,
to
bring
home
the
lessons
of
these
world's
longest
lived
cultures
and
put
them
to
work
here
in
American
communities
and
the
punch
line.
Is
this
not
a
single
one
of
the
350
100
year
olds,
centenarians
that
that
we've
embedded
ourselves
with
for
two
decades?
Not
a
single
one
pursued
health.
L
Now
the
single
one
said:
hey
I'm,
going
to
do
that:
South,
Beach,
Diet
or
I'm,
going
to
run
5Ks
or
pick
up
pickleball.
The
truth
is
they
don't
have
any
better
discipline
or
willpower
than
than
we
do
what
they
do
have
is
they
exist
in
societies
and
and
environments
where
it's
easy
to
connect
with
people
and
stay
connected
to
the
social
Fabric
and
the
tissue.
It's
easy
to
practice
your
purpose
and
think
about
purpose
and
volunteer.
It's
it's.
It's
easier
to
eat,
less
eat,
healthier,
move
more!
L
So
there's
these
little
nudges,
it's
not
Silver
Bullet,
it's
silver
Buckshot
and
the
way
we've
operationalized,
that
is
by
partnering,
with
American
communities
that
want
us
so
I
appreciate
it.
This
assistant
city
managers,
comments
and
Mr
Jackson's
comments,
because
those
are
really
the
things
that
that
bring
to
life
this
model,
this
design,
this
this
Playbook
is
communities
recognizing
the
capacity
and
competency
that
they
already
have
work
underway
already
and
then
being
able
to
look
at
this
approach
of
places,
people
and
policy
to
accelerate
work,
that's
underway
and
we
measure
it.
L
We
measure
disease
prevalence,
we
measure
medical
costs
and
productivity
and
equity
and
what's
really
remarkable
I'll
end
with
this
to
to
make
to
make
time
for
for
questions
is
when
you
go
beyond
social
determinants
of
Health,
when
you
go
beyond
Economic
Development
or
affordable
housing,
all
which
are
important
things
and
you
focus
on
well-being
focus
on
the
things
that
that
give
people
higher
well-being.
The
downstream
effects
we've
seen
is
that
more
than
just
population,
Health
outcomes
occur,
Economic
Development
stories
occur
and
follow-on
grants,
Health
Equity
occurs,
Workforce
retention
and
recruitment
occurs.
M
Hi
Nick,
and
thank
you
for
that.
Can
you
just
share
briefly
for
the
public
sort
of
I
know
it's
in
some
of
this
is
in
our
staff
report
and
sort
of
some
of
the
results.
You're
seeing
like
I
know,
probably
the
closest
one
where
you're
working
Loma
Linda's
the
closest,
but
that's
an
original
or
the
beach
cities
right
in
Southern
California,
and
just
a
couple
of
the
results
from
this
program
that
have
been
documented
through
your
work
through
the
work
with
Gallup.
L
So
in
in
places
like
the
beach
cities,
childhood
obesity
rates
dropped
by
50
percent
and
the
medical
costs
attributed
to
something
like
that
is
massive,
because
not
only
are
you
limiting
disease
growth
rate
like
diabetes
and
obesity
and
cardiovascular
on
children
through
their
lifespan,
but
you're
also
removing
the
new
onset
of
new
diseases,
as
you
guys
might
suspect.
Once
you
get
one
disease,
it's
really
easy
to
to
kind
of
domino
effect
and
get
multiple
diseases.
L
So
that's
a
20
billion
dollar
value
over
the
lifetime
of
those
kids
just
by
reducing
childhood
obesity
getting
it
while,
while
they're
young
in
Fort
Worth
Texas
we're
bringing
Gallup
to
do
a
baseline,
see.
Where
does
this
community
stack
up
against
the
other
250
msas
Metropolitan
statistical
areas
in
America
as
far
as
well-being,
in
a
translation
for
for
well-being?
What
they're
really
asking
is
they're
asking
the
citizens
how's
it
going
for
you
today,
how's
it
going
for
you
and
then
the
follow-up
question
is.
L
L
Fort
Worth
was
in
the
fifth
quintile
out
of
every
MSA
in
America,
so
their
dead
last
quintile
per
gallop's
well-being
and
within
five
years
they
moved
into
the
first
quintile
so
from
fifth
to
First,
and
that
was
a
really
big
story
that
the
mayor
mayor,
Betsy,
price
and
and
some
of
the
partners
there
were
very
happy
and
proud
of.
What's
unique
about
Fort
Worth
is
they
have
six
different
neighborhoods
in
those
six
different
neighborhoods
on
a
Continuum
represent
both
ends
of
the
Health
Equity
Spectrum.
L
It's
got
I
think
a
very
different
uptake
for
for
people,
maybe
on
the
lower
end
of
the
opportunity
Spectrum,
you
know
the
the
there's
a
lot
of
different
metrics.
We
we
had
one
Community
small
town,
USA
speed
limit
down.
Main
Street
was
25
miles
an
hour.
Main
Street
was
dying,
which
is
often
the
case
in
many
main
streets.
L
L
So
when
we
come
into
a
community,
a
community
already
has
a
number
of
things
underway.
It's
a
SWOT
analysis,
so
strengths
weaknesses,
opportunities
threats,
what's
what's
working
already
in
the
community
of
Palm
Springs
around
health
and
well-being,
Economic
Development,
and
where
are
there
opportunities
things
that
might
be
stuck
in
strategy
for
too
long
to
accelerate
and
do
things
different?
Our
design
is
place-based,
so
the
idea
is:
take
the
onus
off
the
individual
and
do
like
a
silver
buck
shot,
so
engage
all
engage
about
20
percent
of
people.
L
So
if
we
move
forward
to
a
Blue
Zone
project,
we'd
hire
a
full-time
team.
That
team
would
have
three
subgroups.
One
group
is
going
to
go
out
every
day
for
three
four
years
and
try
to
get
20
of
people
opportunities
to
volunteer
cooking
demonstrations
purpose
workshops,
giving
the
Blue
Zone
story
get
into
connect
with
the
Power
Nine.
The
second
team
goes
out
to
place
is
so
restaurants,
grocery
stores,
employers,
convenience
stores
and
faith-based
organizations
like
churches
and
synagogues
and
mocks
and
administering
a
Blue
Zone
certification
program.
L
It's
free
to
those
businesses,
it's
good
for
business
and
what
it
says
is
hey.
Do
you
want
to
join
a
Blue
Zone
certified
program
here
in
town,
we're
going
to
teach
you
how
to
make
the
healthier
choice?
The
easier
choice
for
your
patrons
and
for
your
employees
won't
cost
you
anything.
Business
will
go
up
and
we'll
promote
your
business
as
a
Blue
Zone.
L
Certified
restaurant
here
in
town
try
to
get
a
critical
mass
of
those
types
of
businesses
and
then
working
with
you
all
and
that's
why
it's
so
important
that
you
all
sign
off
on
this
and
then
participate
blend
your
eyes,
your
ears,
your
experience
to
the
feasibility,
because
the
third
p
is
policy
people,
places
and
policy,
and
so,
when
city
manager,
Teresa
Galvin
points
out
that
we're
going
to
deliver
a
blueprint,
it's
a
blueprint
that
reflects
this
community.
How
we
would
partner
with
this
community
to
administer
a
transformation
in
those
three
areas.
L
So
it's
a
little
bit
of
an
assessment,
but
it's
an
accelerated
assessment
that
yields
a
report
as
well
as
a
blueprint
as
well
as
a
proposal
and
I'm
sure
that
will
be
tied
to
the
broader
Riverside,
County
conversation
and
opportunity.
The
last
thing
I'll
say
is
we
do
bring
in
data,
so
the
report
is,
is
not
just
a
product
of
three
months
of
focus
groups
around
schools,
employers,
restaurants,
food
policy,
built
environment
policies,
so
we
hold
focus
groups
and
workshops
with
those
groups,
but
we
bring
in
data.
We
do
a
baseline
of
Gallup.
L
We
bring
in
an
economist
to
show
what's
the
cost
of
doing
nothing.
So
if
this
community
does
nothing
differently
over
the
next
10
years
from
the
last
10
years,
what's
the
Translate
and
medical
costs
erosion
to
the
local
household
consumption
and
productivity,
and
then
we
show
the
Gallup
where
you
sit
on
the
gallup's
MSA
well-being
index
and
you'll,
probably
be
pretty
high.
I
mean
your
Palm
Springs,
so
it
wouldn't
be
surprising.
L
N
L
I,
don't
believe
the
the
feasibility
assessment
is
usually
a
six-month
contract
and
that
that
would
be
aligned
to
the
Riverside
broader
contract.
If
the
community
gets
activated
and
private
sector
sponsors
which
have
funded
100
of
our
of
our
Blue
Zone
Project
work,
step
up
and
and
and
rally
and
get
aligned
around
this
work,
then
it's
typically
a
a
two
to
four
year
journey
of
hiring
people
from
the
community,
giving
them
giving
them
the
training
and
then
executing
on
this
work
towards
certification.
L
L
Certification
shows
that
the
community
has
achieved
enough
process
outcomes
and
outcome
outcomes.
So
process
outcomes
is
x,
amount
of
restaurants,
employers,
churches,
people
engaged
publicity.
We
partner
with
local
news
and
newspaper
to
make
sure
that
we're
amplifying
every
story,
a
certain
amount
of
policies
passed.
L
It's
a
point
of
reflection
and
it's
a
point
of
optionality
in
which
blue
zones
often
exits
left
as
far
as
account
management
and
coaching
and
holding
the
hand
and
providing
the
measurement,
and
this
really
truly
becomes
an
asset,
a
new
capacity
that
the
community
owns
and
and
can
evolve
as
it
sees
fit.
Some
communities
continue
to
call
it
blue
zones,
others
say
we're
certified,
but
this
this
app
actual
apparatus
you
know,
is
now
the
new
Palm
Springs
Palm
Springs
living
organization.
L
On
top
of
that,
you
know
you
look
around
I
know
you
all
experience
it
every
day:
American
well-being,
a
sense
of
purpose,
Financial,
Security,
Community,
Pride,
social
well-being,
isolations
through
the
roof
depressions
through
the
roof.
This
is
more
than
health
care.
This
is
more
than
population
Health.
This
is
these
are
things
that
believe
it
or
not
can
be
tackled
by
well-being?
L
If
I
give
you
Mr
council
member
higher
well-being
in
a
couple
months,
you
might
lose
a
couple
lbs
on
on
the
old
waistline,
but
that's
not
all
that
will
happen.
You'll
become
a
better
dad.
A
better
husband,
you'll
become
a
better
neighbor.
You
might
volunteer
more
a
better
employee,
and
the
same
is
true:
when
you
do
this
to
entire
neighborhoods
and
entire
communities,
you
give
them
measurable
well-being,
which
you
can
measure
believe
it
or
not.
L
Through
people
places
of
policy,
you
can
mimic
what
what
happened
with
this
anthropological
phenomenon
in
these
blue
zones,
and
it's
not
because
blue
zones
is
good
at
doing
it
to
you.
It's
because
and
obviously
I'm
biased.
We
got
a
Playbook
that
when
we
give
it
to
community
leaders
that
that
want
to
follow
our
process
to
get
organized
and
activated
that
you
know
they're
often
a
you
know,
they're
often
able
to
provide
the
X
Factor,
which
is
the
leadership
and
the
local
talent
to
to
take.
N
N
It's
a
huge
community
that
goes
beyond
just
our
46
000
residents
that
are
here.
Full-Time
is
you're
going
to
come
up
with
this,
but
at
some
point
it
has
to
be
implemented,
and
we
already
have
a
lot
of
structures
in
place
through
the
state
of
California
through
the
city
itself.
Through
we
have
a
plethora
of
non-profits
from
children
to
Old,
older
adults,
to
gay
lesbians.
To
you
know,
HIV
AIDS,
the
whole
works
is
really
of.
N
L
Well,
I'll
tell
you
a
couple
things,
because
this
really
isn't
a
question.
For
me,
this
is
a
question
that
I
think
with
respect
is
for
your
peers
in
the
community,
who
look
and
say
we're
on
the
front
lines.
We
experience
this
every
day
there.
There
is
something
in
bringing
higher
well-being
to
everyone
in
the
community
that
can
either
accelerate
bring
together
and
mobilize.
You
know
what
is
already
a
robust
ecosystem
of
Community
organizations.
L
The
largest
community
we've
done
in
America
is
over
a
million
people,
Fort
Worth
Texas,
it's
a
county,
it's
City,
it's
six,
very
different
neighborhoods
with
different
degrees
of
of
health
and
well-being
and
economic
Vitality.
We've
done
a
couple
States
when
we've
done
cities
as
small
as
fifteen
thousand
people,
and
when
we
get
invited
in
it's
because
they're
looking
around
saying,
we
are
unique,
but
we're
not
unique
in
the
growth
rate
of
disease
and
medical
costs
from
our
peer
American
communities.
L
But
can
blue
zones
bring
in
a
model
that
provides
accountability
and
accountability?
That's
not
just
a
lot
of
exposure
and
marketing
and
and
doing
assessments,
but
accountability
to
actually
take
a
bite
out
of
a
disease
growth
rate
and
the
medical
costs
associated
with
that
growth
rate.
That
is
out
of
control
for
every
community
in
America.
N
So
I
I
guess
you
know
I'll
ask
one
more
question
because
I'm
skeptical,
first
of
all,
I,
don't
you
know
you
talk
about
disease
generally.
I
don't
know
is
something
like
what
you're
proposing
would
stop
something
like
monkey
pox,
which
was
a
big
issue
in
this
community.
You
know,
I,
don't
see
where
that
fits
in
childhood
obesity.
I
can
understand
what
you're
talking
I'm,
not
sure
how
you
get
to
those
children,
or
you
know
what
your
programs
that
you
outline
are
so
I'm,
just
I'm
I'm
skeptical
about
what
you're
providing
for
us.
N
We
have.
We
have
a
healthcare
district,
I
think
they're,
probably
supportive
of
it.
Already
in
this
city.
We
have
a
lot
of
running
groups
and
walking
groups
for
all
ages.
We
have
a
senior
center
with
exercise
groups.
We
have
a
ton
of
gyms.
People
are
very
much
into
the
gyms
here,
so
I'm,
just
not
clear.
So
that
was
I,
guess
more
of
a
comment
but
I'm
still
I,
guess
I'm
unclear
trying
to
get
clarity
on
it.
F
You
mayor
so
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
is
is
really
helpful
about
this
project,
and
this
maybe
will
help
you
councilmember
Woods,
is
that
blue
zones
are
already
coming
to
the
Coachella
Valley
Riverside
County
has
already
chosen.
Coachella
is
the
city
that
they're
going
to
be
trying
out
this
model
with
so
for
us,
because
we
are
in
a
place
of
privilege
to
have
a
large
budget.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
also
do
this.
F
At
the
same
time,
while
we
have
blue
zones
already
looking
at
our
County
and
provide
a
kind
of
a
bookend
for
the
valley,
but
we've
also
have
been
putting
into
place
a
lot
of
the
things
that
could
potentially
be
discussed
in
blue
zones.
We've
been
talking
about
pedestria
pedestrian
plan.
We
that
was
presented
earlier
this
year
talking
about
shade,
which
again
shade
more
shade,
is
coming
to
to
our
Parks
our
Parks
master
plan.
That's
coming
up.
F
All
of
these
things
relate
to
Blue
zones
and
making
sure
that
we're
providing
Better
Health
outcomes
for
our
residents.
So
it's
an
opportunity
to
see
what
this
feasibility
study
says
and
and
to
kind
of
help
us,
as
we
move
forward
with
these
plans,
determine
what
is
the
most
impact.
You
know
what
is
the
priority
in
for
these
projects
and
we
do
have
stakeholder
interest
from
Desert,
Regional,
Medical,
Center,
desert
healthcare,
district
and
a
variety
of
other
organizations
in
the
valley
and
Palm
Springs,
specifically.
So
to
me
it.
A
M
I
think
nothing
I
need
to
add
I.
Think
it's
a
great
opportunity,
I
think
mayor
protem
highlighted,
given
that
they're
going
to
be
in
the
county
and
specifically
in
the
Coachella
Valley,
to
be
part
of
that
and
there's
already
an
advisory
committee.
That's
being
put
together,
you
know,
Riverside
County
health
is
involved,
I
believe
Eisenhower
and
the
Desert
Health
Care
district
and
others
are
part
of
the
advisory
committee.
M
You
know
to
do
the
full
project
and
if
there's
the
desire
from
our
residents,
because
that's
really
part
of
what
the
feasibility
study
is
doing,
but
getting
that
Baseline
I
think
that's
a
really
good
point
you
made
I
think
is
so
important,
so
really
appreciate
your
work.
I
know,
most
of
us
have
all
of
us.
Have
your
have
the
book
I
think
a
lot
of
folks
have
read
it
or
parts
of
it,
but
with
that
I'll
move
the
item.
N
M
I
A
I'm
going
to
be
supportive
of
this
concept,
I
think
it's
been
demonstrated
in
cities
across
the
planet
that
there
are
communities
that
do
a
better
job
than
others
at
identifying
programs
and
policies
and
practices
that
improve
People's
Health
and
their
life.
Lifelongevity
and
I'm
very
pleased
for
Palm
Springs
to
I.
Think
we
do
an
awful
lot
of
things
well,
I'm,
absolutely
convinced
we
can
do
things
better.
C
N
B
A
O
Madam
mayor
mayor,
Pro,
tem
and
members
of
city
council,
the
item
that
you
have
before
you
is
consideration
of
a
policy
relative
to
the
number
of
meetings
where
applications
can
be
heard
in
a
limit
to
the
times
that
the
application
can
be
heard.
I
requests
that
we
pull
forward
the
PowerPoint.
If
we
could.
Thank
you
very
much.
O
This
stems
out
of
a
discussion
that
we
had
at
city
council
back
in
January
of
2020..
At
that
time
we
were
discussing
ways
to
shorten
the
entitlement
process
and
there
were
basically
three
items
or
directions
that
were
given
to
staff.
At
that
time,
number
one
was
to
consider
reversing
the
order
of
the
Architectural
Review
and
the
Planning
Commission
reviews
as
a
means
to
shorten
the
overall
process.
O
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we
accomplished
the
first
two.
We
did
that
back
in
April
of
2021
by
adopting
a
new
Architectural
Review
process.
As
part
of
that
process,
we
also
eliminated
a
number
of
Apple
locations
that
were
formerly
required
to
be
approved
by
the
city
council.
One
of
the
things
that
we
failed
to
do
at
that
time
was
to
come
forward
with
the
policy
relative
to
limiting
the
number
of
continuances,
and
so
staff
is
trying
to
catch
up
with
our
many
assignments
that
we
have.
O
The
proposed
policy
would
apply
to
All
City
legislative
bodies
and
not
just
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
Architectural
Review
Committee.
It
would
apply
to
bodies
such
as
the
airport,
commission,
public,
Arts,
commission
or
measure
J,
wherever
there
are
third-party
applications
before
that
border
commission.
So
it's
important
to
understand
that
it
extends
beyond
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Architectural
Review.
O
Secondly,
in
terms
of
the
way
that
we've
drafted
this
policy,
it
only
applies
to
third-party
applications,
and
so
any
policy
issues
or
legislative
items
that
are
initiated
by
either
the
city
council,
City
staff
or
our
boards
and
commissions
would
not
be
subject
to
this
policy.
So,
for
example,
recently
we
just
had
amendments
to
our
sb9
ordinance
or
the
urban
lot
split
ordinance.
O
O
We
have
had
certain
cases
and
I'm
going
to
ask
that
you
forgive
me
I'm,
going
to
use
Planning
Commission
examples
primarily
throughout
this
we
have
had
applications
where
applicants
in
wanting
to
come
forward
with
a
better
project,
have
requested
additional
meetings,
so
they
could
provide
additional
materials
or
make
additional
modifications
to
come
forward
with
a
better
conforming
project.
If
you
will-
and
so
that's
one
of
the
aspects
that
we've
incorporated
into
this
policy,
we
have
been
doing
this
in
practice
with
Planning
Commission
and
Architectural
Review
Committee.
O
Ever
since
we
adopted
the
revised
Architectural
Review
process
and
I'm
happy
to
report
that
the
majority
of
applications
that
we've
heard
have
been,
the
boards
have
taken
final
action
on
those
applications
in
two
meetings
or
less
there's
been
only
a
couple
of
rare
instances
in
the
last
year
and
a
half
where
an
application
has
required
more
than
two
meetings.
I
can
think
of
the
Crestview
applications,
the
two
houses
on
Crestview
that
came
forward
to
City
Council
on
appeal.
O
There
was
a
recent
instance
with
some
proposed
house
designs
in
Maryland,
where
we
took
those
designs
to
a
subcommittee
of
Planning,
Commission
and
Architectural
Review
in
order
to
finesse
the
details
of
those
residences.
But
those
are
really
the
exceptions
to
the
rule
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
since
we've
had
a
revised
art,
Architectural
Review
process
in
place
in
proposing
this
we've
had
a
number
of
questions
and
concerns
about
this
limitation
on
the
number
of
meetings.
The
first
question
that
I've
had
is
relative
to
applicants
who
may
want
to
bypass
Planning
Commission.
O
Historically,
what
we've
seen
is:
we've
had
applicants
who've
come
forward
and
say
to
the
Planning
Commission
just
deny
my
application,
so
I
can
go
to
City
Council.
Let
me
discuss
that
just
briefly
with
you.
The
Planning
Commission
is
entrusted
with
reviewing
applications
for
conformance
to
our
adopted
development
standards,
and
so
I.
Don't
think
that
the
Planning
Commission
ever
would
want
to
just
deny
a
case
and
forward
it
to
city
council.
O
They
take
their
role
very
seriously
in
terms
of
making
findings
about
each
of
the
applications
that
comes
before
them
and
they're
not
going
to
take
final
application
final
action
on
an
application
until
they
have
made
those
findings
and
so
relative
to
applicants
who
may
want
to
just
be
denied
by
the
Planning
Commission
so
that
they
can
appeal
and
go
forward
to
city
council
I
would
say
that
the
Planning
Commission
needs
to
have
the
ability
to
review
the
application
and
make
findings
accordingly.
Under
this
policy,
they
could
take
up
to
three
meetings
to
do
that.
O
O
O
One
of
the
other
things
that
we've
done
in
the
past
with
complex
applications
is
we've
typically
held
study
sessions
and
a
study
session
will
be
held
before
any
type
of
a
public
hearing
or
public
meeting
on
the
issue
and
by
having
study
sessions.
What
that
does
is
it
tends
to
give
the
Planning
Commission
the
ability
to
ask
questions
about
a
project
and
to
have
some
of
those
questions
answered
before
we
go
into
the
public
hearing
process?
O
It
also
prepares
the
applicant
with
things
that
may
be
missing
from
their
application
so
that
they
are
better
prepared,
as
they
move
forward
to
the
public
hearing
process,
and
so
what
I
would
suggest
is
four
complex
projects.
What
we
might
State
as
part
of
this
policy
is
that
study
sessions,
don't
count
towards
the
three
meeting
limit
and
I
think
that's
one
way
that
we
might
address
that
concern
and
then
the
final
question
is
relative
to
study
sessions
and
subcommittee
sessions.
I
think
I've
already
answered.
O
That
question
is
that
if
we
were
to
add
to
this
proposed
policy
the
fact
that
items
where
there
isn't
a
vote
taken
or
final
action
isn't
being
requested
by
the
applicant,
such
as
study
sessions
and
subcommittee
reviews,
then
that
would
not
be
applicable
to
the
three
meeting
limit
and
if
that's
the
direction
that
the
city
council
would
like
to
go,
what
we
would
do
is
modify
the
language
accordingly.
To
add
that,
so
that
concludes
my
presentation.
What
I
am
leaving
you
with
is
you
can
either
approve
this
policy
as
it
has
been
drafted.
O
You
may
modify
it
based
on
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
and
the
suggestions
that
I've
offered.
You
may
have
other
suggestions
that
you
want
to
propose
to
us,
which
we
would
be
more
than
happy
to
discuss
and
incorporate
into
this
policy.
If
the
council
supports
that,
or
you
may
find,
that
the
revised
Architectural
Review
process
that
we've
been
doing
for
about
the
past
year
and
a
half
is
adequate,
it's
been
doing
its
job
and
that
this
policy
isn't
needed.
So
really
you
have
three
options
before
you
again.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
A
C
N
Oh,
thank
you,
madam
mayor
Flynn.
We
one
of
the
things
that
we
did
in
the
whole
process
was
to
try
and
give
anybody
who's
working
in
the
city,
upfront,
advice
and
kind
of
give
them
a.
You
know
a
way
to
navigate
the
course
and
we
authorized
the
hiring
of
one
of
our
planners
to
basically
do
specialize
in
design
on
that
front
end,
and
can
you
tell
us
where
that
is
and
how
that
fits
into
this?
Yes,.
O
We
did
promote
one
of
our
staff
members
to
a
position
who
will
be
responsible
or
is
responsible
for
what
we're
calling
the
pre-submittal
process
with
applicants
that
gives
staff
and
the
applicant
the
opportunity
to
sit
down
together
to
review
their
application.
That
is
proposed
to
go
over
any
design
issues
ahead
of
time.
O
There
has
been
a
little
bit
of
a
delay
in
being
able
to
focus
that
individual's
time,
Mr
Ken
Lyon,
who
has
that
responsibility,
has
also
been
doing
Historic
Site
preservation
board,
at
the
same
time
as
doing
our
pre-submittal
conferences,
I'm
happy
to
report
that
we've
just
recently
hired
a
historic
preservation
officer
who
just
started
this
Monday
and
is
taking
over
that
role,
which
will
free
up
Mr
Lyon
to
spend
more
time
with
applicants.
So
we
do
have
that
in
place.
N
And
what
happens
when
an
applicant
in
the
city
develop
an
advocate
does
not
want
to
listen
to
the
advice
of
the
staff,
wants
to
just
rush
through
the
process
and
not
give
any
information.
You
know
that
is
being
requested
by
either
staff
and
or
the
Planning,
Commission
and
or
Arc.
What
do
we
want
to
do
in
that
situation?
In.
O
Those
situations
staff
will
identify
whatever
aspect
of
the
design
doesn't
conform
to
standards
and
if
the
applicant
chooses
not
to
make
those
revisions
to
the
project
prior
to
bringing
it
forward
to
the
Planning
Commission
staff
will
identify
that
in
the
staff
report.
Planning
Commission
then,
will
hear
the
case
review
its
conformance
to
criteria
and
again.
If
this
is
something
where
it
doesn't
conform
to
criteria
Planning
Commission,
it
has
the
ability
to
either
request
that
the
applicant
come
back
or
they
could
potentially
deny
it,
making
a
finding
that
it
doesn't
conform.
O
I
think
the
preference
is
giving
the
applicant
the
opportunity
another
try
to
come
back
rather
than
just
denying
it
outright,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
have
the
ability
to
give
at
least
a
couple
of
meetings
in
order
to
give
the
applicant
the
opportunity
to
bring
a
conforming
project
forward.
So
I
think
that's
the
key
thing
that
we
need
to
do
in
those
situations.
So.
N
O
Depends
on
how
we
choose
to
bring
those
forward.
I
would
prefer
to
have
something
codified,
so
it
makes
it
easier
for
applicants
to
understand
what
is
being
asked
of
them,
as
well
as
to
review
projects
for
conformance
to
those
guidelines,
so
that
would
be
my
initial
reaction
to
that
is
to
have
them
codified.
Thank.
M
O
O
O
M
So
one
option
could
be
after
a
certain
number
of
meetings.
They'd
have
the
right
to
appeal:
I
mean
one
of
the
the
reason
we
as
I
recall,
although
January
2020
seems
really
far
ago.
We
did
this
because
we
wanted
to
give
applicants
and
developers
some
more
certainty,
right
and
I
appreciate
the
last
year
and
a
half
with
our
current
staff
and
our
director,
the
chair
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
our
current
members,
it's
working,
but
that
wasn't
always
the
case.
M
It
may
not
always
be
the
case,
and
so
the
goal
was
to
send
a
message.
We
really
want
to
make
this
an
easy
fast,
but
thorough,
Pro.
You
know
process.
So
that
was
the
goal
and
you
know
I
think
it's
a
good
goal,
so
people
have
some
sense
of
how
that's
going
to
work.
Obviously
you
know
you
can
set
three
meetings
if
you
really,
if
the
majority
wanted
to
over
the
course
of
a
year
and
that
wouldn't
serve
the
purpose
either.
O
How
we
might
address
that
if
we
were
to
impose
a
time
frame
rather
than
a
number
of
meeting
limit,
the
time
frame
should
be
from
the
first
public
meeting
rather
than
from
the
application
date
and
the
reason
I
suggest.
That
is
because
some
applications
require
environmental
review
and
it's
impossible
to
predict
how
long
that
review
will
take.
O
For
that
reason,
what
I
would
suggest,
if
that's
the
direction
the
council
would
like
to
go,
is
that
we
impose
a
limit
from
the
first
public
meeting
and
give
something
like
45
days
or
60
days,
something
along
those
lines
as
the
outside
limit
for
the
Planning,
Commission
or
architect,
review
or
other
boards
and
commissions
to
take
action
on
an
item.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
thanks.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
sorry,
I
know
you
had
asked
what
I
was
watching.
Staff
speak
and
I
was
watching
the
City
attorney,
so
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
you
had
any
follow-up
comments
on
that
or
if
you
think
of
time
frame,
if
that's
council's
wish,
could
work
I'm
also
interested
in
that
I'm
really
proud
of
our
work,
all
together
with
staff
implementing
this,
so
I
was
really
glad
to
see
this
come
forward.
So
just
wondering
if
you
think
we
should
switch
this
or
bring
something
back.
What
your
suggestion
would
be.
I.
J
Don't
have
super
strong
feelings.
I
make
two
points.
One
is
this
policy
is
based
on
state
housing
law
and
sometimes
the
benefit
you
have
of
modeling
something
after
another.
Law
is
if
we,
if
you
get
a
ruling
somewhere
else
in
another
jurisdiction
from
that
state
law,
that
provides
a
little
bit
of
guidance
in
terms
of
how
our
policy
might
be
implemented.
Secondarily,
with
regard
to
the
time
frame,
one
of
the
challenges,
sometimes
with
time
frames
is,
you
know
a
small
project.
J
I
Yeah
the,
whereas
is-
and
the
resolution-
and
this
is
just
a
resolution-
it's
not
amending
the
code
so
is
that
how
was
that
chosen
as
the
way
to
to
change
the
time
frame
or
the
number
of
applications?
Could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
balance
or
benefits
for
having
a
resolution
versus
amending
the
code?
Yeah.
J
We
wanted
to
start
with
a
resolution
because
those
are
easier
to
change
from
time
to
time
than
ordinances
are,
and
they
really
are
meant
to
express
the
city
council's
policy
position
as
opposed
to
something
that's
hard
and
fast,
like
an
ordinance
that
somebody
might
want
to
try
and
challenge
either
an
approval
or
disapproval
based
on
maybe
a
possible
failure
to
meet
these
specific
time
frames.
This
is
really
I
thought.
I
I
I
Or
the
recitals,
not
the
where,
as
is
sorry
I've
been
working
since
7
15
in
the
morning
and
I
haven't
had
a
break,
perhaps
we
could
ask
add
our
legislative
intent
in
the
recitals
about
Expediting
processing
or
Expediting
approvals,
whatever
the
framing
is
you
want
to
say,
because
this
really
right
now
the
recitals
just
talk
about
limit
the
frequency
for
which
matters
are
continued
delayed
right.
But
that
adds
something
about
efficiency
and
timing.
I
And
then
maybe
future
councils
can
see
that
if
we
decide
to
amend
the
code
because
I
agree
with
you,
that's
really
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve
and
then
did
you
answer
that
in
terms
of
the
liability
for
the
city.
So
are
we
trapping
the
city
even
for
a
resolution?
I
thought
it
was
interesting
that
it
applies
to
the
city
council
and
ties
our
hands,
which
sometimes
we're
hesitant
for
do
of
doing,
though
we
also
want
to
see
projects
get
approved
or
not
approved
quickly
and
get
processed
quickly.
So
what
are
your
thoughts
about
that?
I
J
I
J
I
Thank
you
and
then
I
know
you
answered
at
the
beginning
of
your
presentation.
The
reason
why
you
say
legislative
bodies,
as
opposed
to
saying
which
ones
it
applies
to
and
so
I
just
have
a
question
of
if
we
should
specify
them
in
the
resolution.
So
it's
clear
to
the
public
or
council
members
when
reading
which
one
is
a
legislative
policy.
Is
this
going
to
apply
to
my
application
or
not
I,
really
like
to
use
plain
language
and
law?
If,
when
we
can.
O
M
J
I
do
I
mean
I'll
I'll
say
you
know,
there
is
another
law
that
permanent
streamlining
act,
that
does
use
a
time
period
and
that's
that
time
period
under
state
law
is
based
on
the
time
that
the
secret
document
is
acted
on,
so
whether
it's
a
negative
declaration
or
an
ear.
So
there
there
are
examples
in
state
law
for
time
period
as
well
as
a
number
of
meetings.
The
permit
streamlining
act
isn't
real.
It
isn't
invoked
very
often,
though,
quite
honestly.
M
And
if
we
did
time
limits,
because
there
was
some
interest
in
both
right,
it
sounds
like
we'd
have
to
say
right.
If
something
sent
to
plan
check
that
doesn't
count
on
the
time
limit.
Right
I
mean
that's,
that's
where
it
may
get
confusing
right,
because
if
something
goes
back
to
plan
check
which
we
know
may
take
more
than
the
entire
time
limit,
depending
on
the
complexity,
that
would
create
a
problem.
I
think
right.
Glenn.
O
F
In
terms
of
the
meetings
or
the
time
frame,
I
do
think
the
meetings
make
more
sense,
because
one
of
the
things
that
we
hear
often
is
that
it's
confusing
the
process
can
be
confusing.
So
if
we
have
to
figure
out
the
timing-
and
we
start
to
get
which
makes
me
start
thinking
about,
is
it
a
calendar
day
or
is
it
a
business
day
and
Counting?
When
emotion
is
due
and
it
sounds
like
it'll
just
be
more
complex
than
if
we
just
do
meetings,
at
least
for
everyone
in
general
to
understand.
B
J
P
Yes,
Kathy
mayor
Middleton,
mayor,
Pro,
tem
console
I
have
a
few
concerns
about
this
policy.
I.
Do
think
that
the
the
change
that
we
have
made
in
the
last
year
is
working.
We
used
to
have
an
issue
with
architectural
advisory
because
they
were
in
a
confusing
role,
not
knowing
what
the
density
and
what
the
site
plan
of
the
project
and
what
it
would
be
entitled
to
be,
but
I,
don't
think
I.
P
Think
they're
working
very
well
I
think
we're
working
very
well
I
agree
with
Flynn
regarding
the
study
sessions,
but
I
also
think
we
need
to
make
an
exception
for
subcommittee
meetings.
We
often
refer
things
to
a
subcommittee
of
Planning,
Commission
and
Architectural
Review,
and
that
will
take
one
meeting
for
them.
A
meeting
at
City
at
planning
a
meeting
first
meeting
of
the
subcommittee
with
the
applicant
meeting
for
them
to
come
back
and
then
coming
back
to
Planning
Commission.
P
If
you
count
those
meetings,
that's
four
meetings,
but
they
actually
very
much
streamline
our
process
and
I
I.
Think
the
job
of
the
the
Planning
Commission
is
to
be
in
the
weeds
so
that
we
present
to
you
the
best
projects.
We
can
you
need
to
leave
us
with
the
tools
that
we
need
to
do
our
job.
Thank
you.
So
much.
N
C
N
N
N
P
If
you're
going
to
make
this,
if
you're
going
to
make
this
proposal,
make
two
exceptions
for
study
sessions
which
are
really
an
accommodation
to
the
developer,
to
help
them
through
the
process
and
also
for
subcommittee
meetings
that
are
constructive,
where
something
that
doesn't
work.
But
it's
been
referred
to
subcommittee
to
come
back
to
Planning
Commission
and
usually
that
can
take
two
meetings.
P
Much
rather
approved
projects
or
send
good
projects
on
to
Architectural,
Review
and
and
I
think.
The
issues
with
Architectural
Review,
which
which
brought
this
on,
has
really
been
solved
by
the
reversal
of
the
process
of
them
following
Planning,
Commission
and
I,
just
want
to
say,
I
think
we
have
the
best
Architectural
Review
Committee
we've
had
since
I've
been
on
Planning
Commission.
B
A
F
M
F
If
we're
gonna
make
exceptions
for
subcommittees,
I
think
there
should
be
a
limit
on
how
many
subcommittee
meetings
there
are,
or
there
should
be
a
time
frame
attached
to
this
I
mean
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
from
applicants
is
that
there's
been
the
subcommittee
process
lasted
too
long
and
they
were
in
this
huge
limbo.
So
I
appreciate
the
concept
of
wanting
to
carve
out
time
for
this
process,
but
then,
if
that
happens-
and
we
are
getting
back
to
not
me
talking
about
meetings
but
talking
about
time
frame.
M
O
A
M
A
F
B
A
A
Q
Garner
and
members
of
the
city
council,
I'm
LP,
everyone
calls
me
that
so
you
should
feel
free
to
do
so,
for
those
of
you,
I
haven't
corresponded
with
yet
and
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
presenting
my
first
item
as
sustainability
director
to
the
city
council.
So
apologies
in
advance,
if
I
mess
up
I
probably
will
I'll
do
my
best
to
minimize
any
mistakes,
so
excited
to
be
here
to
talk
about
something
that
actually
was
fairly
new
to
me.
Q
You
know
coming
from
dense
Urban
environments,
hadn't
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
Turf
in
the
past.
So
thanks
to
our
colleagues
at
the
Desert,
Water
Agency
and
many
interested
residents,
who've
helped
me
learn
about
Turf
in
the
past
couple
of
months.
So
we
have
a
program
that
we'd
like
to
present
to
you
tonight
to
consider
different
to
consider
a
matching
rebate
to
what
the
Desert
Water
Agency
currently
provides
for
Turf
conversion.
Q
That
has
come
from
the
sustainability
commission
kind
of
seeded
from
from
our
team
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
design
considerations
and
some
of
the
questions
that
I
know
have
come
up
and
then
just
kind
of
talk
about
how
we're
thinking
about
this,
both
in
terms
of
sort
of
an
early
starting
program
and
then
kind
of
where
we
might
like
to
see
this
grow
in
the
future.
Or
if
you
had
additional
considerations
for
how
you
might
like
to
grow
this
program.
Q
We
also
are
joined
by
the
chair
of
our
sustainability
commission,
Don
Barrett,
who
can
share
a
little
bit
on
this.
The
commission's
recommendations
as
well?
Okay.
So
if
I
can
do
this
WOW
amazing,
so
as
you
saw
in
the
staff
report,
so
we've
come
today
with
a
particular
proposal
summary
where
we
will
approve
an
appropriation
of
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
or
we're
requesting
that
you
approve
an
appropriation
of
150
000
to
match
the
desert
water
agency's
rebate
fully.
Q
So
they
give
a
three
dollar
per
square
foot
rebate,
we're
proposing
a
full
match
of
that
three
dollar
per
square
foot
rebate,
which
would
lead
to
projects
receiving
six
dollars
per
square
foot
with
a
couple
of
conditions.
So
one-
and
we
can
talk
about
this
a
little
bit
more
later.
I
know
there
may
be
some
questions
on
this
requesting
that
product
projects
avoid
the
use
of
artificial
turf
just
for
consistency
with
other
sustainability
efforts.
Q
But
we
can
talk
about
that
later
and
then
having
the
program
administered
by
dwa,
which
is
great
and
split,
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
HOAs
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
single
family
residences.
This
kind
of
tracks
the
size
of
those
particular
projects,
but
we'll
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
more
later
as
well.
We're
also
proposing
an
apology
citizen
on
this
summary
slide,
that
was
my
Vault,
a
five
thousand
dollar
per
project
cap
for
the
city,
funding
that
would
be
awarded
to
each
project.
Q
This
is
so
that,
essentially,
you
know
we
may
have
some
quite
large
projects,
especially
if
we
start
talking
about
HOAs.
There
could
be
some
very
large
square
footage
projects.
We
would
like
to
see
as
many
projects
as
possible
supported
by
this
initial
allocation.
So
that's
why
we've
proposed
that
five
thousand
dollar
per
project
City
incentive
cap
but
happy
to
discuss
that
if
anyone
has
any
questions,
so
just
a
little
bit
of
background
here,
so
we
we-
you
know
some
of
you
may
know.
Q
Obviously
before
I
was
here,
but
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
did
offer
a
lawn
by
Brett
program
independently
of
the
Desert
Water
Agency
from
roughly
2011
to
2016.,
and
roughly
110
projects
were
supported
and
140
000
was
expended
over
the
total
life
of
that
project.
The
project
was
designed
a
little
bit
differently.
There
were
some
cash
match
requirements.
It
also
was
offered
as
an
upfront
Grant,
which
is
different
from
how
dwa
has
structured
their
program
as
a
sort
of
a
back-end
rebate,
which
you
sort
of
get
that
money
back
afterwards.
Q
That
allows
them
to
do
some
verification,
monitoring
flow
rates
and
things
like
that.
They
prefer
to
do
it
that
way
this
fiscal
year
as
those
as
many
of
you
may
know,
the
cities
of
Rancho,
Mirage,
Palm,
Desert
and
Indian
Wells
are
also
offering
matching
rebates
with
their
water
districts,
so
that
kind
of
spurred
I
think
a
lot
of
interest
from
the
public
and
from
residents
in
having
US
expand
our
own
program
this
year.
Q
So
for
this
fiscal
year
we
have
identified
150
000
from
the
general
fund
from
the
non-departmental
fund
that
can
be
allocated
toward
this
program.
So
this
was
kind
of
you
know,
seeing
what
we
might
be
able
to
do,
based
on
current
allocations
to
get
a
program
like
this
off
the
ground.
The
sustainability
commission
also
reviewed
a
few
different
incentive
options
so
mostly
looking
at
whether
we
would
want
to
match
fully
or
do
a
one
dollar
match.
Maybe
a
50
match
basically
trying
to
incentivize
as
many
projects
to
happen.
Q
That
may
not
have
happened
at
all,
given
that
we
have
this
limited
amount
of
funding,
so
you
know
that's
when
you
kind
of
think
about
a
smaller
versus
a
larger
incentive.
I
believe
the
larger
incentive
was
where
the
commission
was
leaning
because
you're
more
likely
to
get
those
projects
where
people
might
not
have
even
thought
this
was
feasible
for
them,
as
opposed
to
maybe
a
one
dollar
per
square
foot
Edition.
Q
You
might
still
be
having
projects
that
would
have
happened,
otherwise,
which
is
great,
but
we
want
to
really
kind
of
push
people
to
consider
projects
that
they
might
not
have
considered
this
year,
taking
advantage
of
or
responding
appropriately
to
the
drought
conditions
we
continue
to
be
in,
and
so
like
I
mentioned,
the
commission
recommended
providing
a
full
match
to
encourage
those
projects.
We
also
wanted
to
look
for
Visible
projects
so
and
I
know.
Q
You
know
some
neighborhoods
have
done
more
than
others,
as
you
will
see,
driving
around
so
really
looking
at
that
larger
incentive
to
help
kind
of
push
more
of
those
projects,
so
for
consistency
with
other
sustainability
efforts,
namely
because
artificial
turf
is
is
derived
from
it's
a
fossil
fuel
byproduct.
Unfortunately,
you
know
we,
the
commission
did
recommend
against
projects
that
used,
turf
or
or
seeking
to
minimize
the
use
of
artificial
turf
in
those
projects.
That's
something
we
can
talk
about,
I
think
it's
also
a
little
bit
of
an
operational
question
with
dwa.
Q
Q
We
could
always
kind
of
think
through
that,
but
would
have
to
verify
with
our
staff
that
they
could
influence
something
like
that
with
their
resources,
which
we
just
have
to
work
it
out
and
like
we
mentioned
before,
in
order
to
maximize
the
number
of
projects
that
can
be
supported,
we
proposed
a
cap
of
around
five
thousand
dollars
based
on
the
project
sizes
that
we
see.
The
five
thousand
dollar
cap
shouldn't
be
an
issue
for
most
single
family
or
single
residence
projects,
because
those
projects
don't
tend
to
get
to
that
size.
Q
That
would
hit
that
five
thousand
dollar
cap
HOAs
would
that
would
limit
some
of
the
size
of
some
of
those
projects,
and
so
that
is
a
consideration
that
we're
happy
to
discuss
implementation
wise.
So
we
have
been
very
fortunate
that
our
colleagues
at
the
Desert
Water
Agency
have
offered
to
administer
the
matching
funding
they.
They
have
requested
that
we
give
them
a
little
bit
of
time
to
kind
of
get
things
in
order
to
get
ready
to
do
that.
Q
Q
Just
in
you
know
to
respond
to
some
questions
that
we've
received
and
then
also
just
some
considerations
both
that
we
have
for
this
year's
program
and
then
also
potential
future
programs.
So,
like
we
mentioned
or,
and
like
most
of
you
probably
can
guess
we
agree
that
this
funding
is
going
to
go
really
quickly.
Q
An
expanded
program.
This
fiscal
year
could
be
possible
if
we
looked
at
other
sources
of
funding,
so,
for
example,
other
funding
that
the
council
allocated
toward
climate
action.
But
you
know
that
would
that
would
take
away
from
funding
that
we
might
use
toward
further
City
Turf
Master
planning
efforts,
for
example,
or
Fleet
electrification.
You
know,
just
we
would
just
kind
of
I
think
need
to
think
about
how
we
would
want
to
allocate
that
remaining
climate
action
funding
for
this
year.
So
we're
happy
to
to
talk
about
that
and
then
also
a
low
income
priority.
Q
Q
I
want
to
say
it's
I'm
blanking
on
the
name
of
it,
I
apologize,
but
they
do
have
a
low
income
bill
assistance
program.
Currently.
So,
if
you,
if
you
lived
in
one
of
those
Geographic
target
areas
and
met
the
income
qualifications,
which
I
believe
is
around
58
000
a
year,
you
could
be
eligible
for
that.
Eight
dollar
per
square
foot
rebate
and
instead,
so
that's
something
that
was
not
in
front
of
the
sustainability
Commission
because
it
has
come
about
in
about
the
past
24
hours.
So
that's
something
we
can
also
discuss.
Q
R
R
We're
used
to
that
I'm
an
I'm,
a
native
Southerner
I,
can't
hear
that
fast
and
and
we'll
just
resay
them
in
different
words.
The
commission.
The
Commissioners,
were
very
pleased
to
be
able
to
handling
this
issue
to
handle
this
issue
and
to
to
consider
the
various
possibilities
of
turf
conversion.
By
the
way
dwa
calls
it
glass
removal,
we
call
it
Turf
conversion
Etc.
If
you
get
confused
about
language,
that's
where
that
comes
from.
We
basically
took
three
angles
in
the
whole
process.
R
So
we
wanted
to
have
a
a
a
a
system
whereby
the
citizens
saw
that
that
water
wasn't
being
wasted,
and
one
way
to
do
that
is
to
focus
on
making
sure
that
HOAs
are
well
included
in
this
process.
That's
how
we
came
up
with
the
truth,
with
the
two-thirds
of
the
150
000,
a
hundred
thousand
to
HOAs
and
only
50
000
to
single-family
residences.
That's
that
was
a
that.
R
R
R
We
could
do
that
so
so
that
that
that
was
a
question
that
came
up
to
me
but
but
hasn't,
but
we
never
could
Institute
that
we
just
had
to
go
with
the
issue
of
the
HOAs
in
general
are
more
visible
than
single
family
homes
when
they're
doing
water
conservation,
just
because
of
their
size.
Okay,
the
other
things
that
we
were
concerned
about,
we
had
a
mixed
bag
of
details
that
we
were
concerned
about.
R
We
were
concerned
about
artificial
grass,
which
I'll
talk
about
again
in
a
minute
and
we
considered
ways
to
find
Direct
funding
to
low
Direct
funding
for
lower
and
I'm
sorry
directors.
The
wrong
word
I,
don't
know
where
I'm
coming
up
with
it
to
provide
funding
for
lower
income
applicants,
as
LP
has
noted.
Dwa
is
coming
up
with
a
process
for
that,
so
hopefully,
if
the
money
becomes
available
somewhere
along
the
way,
we
can
become
involved
with
those
lower
income
projects.
R
The
Commissioners
were
interested
in
that
the
the
issue
of
artificial
turf
was
was
an
ambiguous
issue
for
everyone,
so
we
don't
have
a
real,
solid
thing
on
that
about
being
absolutely
no,
you
can
never
have
artificial
turf,
but
it's
a
it's
a
difficult
issue.
One
of
the
concerns
about
our
artificial
turf
is
that
it's
made
out
of
petroleum
products
and
therefore
we
would
like
to
not
see
it,
but
we
definitely
understand
that.
You
know
there
are
situations
where
a
little
spot
of
green
helps.
R
R
Let's
see
and
then
the
only
other
thing
was
the
five
thousand
dollar
maximum
that
that
was
again,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
this
can
go
out
to
as
many
people
as
possible.
Just
balancing
that
against
the
process
of
focusing
on
HOAs
was
a
little
difficult,
but
that's
where
we
landed
was
we
want
to
focus
on
HOAs
because
they're
visible,
but
we
still
want
to
get
as
many
people
to
do
it
as
possible.
So
there's
five
thousand
dollars
maximum
of
the
city's
amount
to
go
to
them.
R
We
have
to
make
sure
that
no
one
confuses
that
five
thousand
dollars
as
the
total
that
would
be
given
to
them.
It's
just
the
city's
portion
of
what
would
be
given
to
them.
So
if
there
becomes
any
additional
funding,
somehow
we
there
are.
There
are
other
issues
that
could
quickly
be
considered
about
that
two-thirds
split
about
that
five
thousand
dollar
cap
and
also
about
the
low
income,
the
low
income
funding.
So
that's,
basically,
the
commission's
thinking
I
think
that
car
covers
it
well,
I'll
give
it
back
to
LP.
M
Q
Q
Yeah
the
project,
the
rebate
size
was
pretty
small.
It
also
required
a
50
cash
match
which,
based
on
what
we've
offered
currently
in
this
proposal,
the
the
contribution
from
the
homeowner
would
be
much
less
than
50.
The
average
cost
is
about
seven
dollars
per
square
foot
and
you'd
be
receiving
a
rebate
of
about
six.
So.
M
You
know,
I,
don't
know
if
the
commission
talked
about
it,
but
we've
done
it
in
other
areas,
because
people,
people
with
means
usually
are
the
ones
who
will
apply
the
fastest
because
they
will
have
the
time
to
know
and
maybe
making
this
first
available
to
people
who
qualify
for
carefair.
You
know
the
energy
low
income
rates,
because
we
know
we're
not
having
to
do
any
work
there.
We
know
they
qualify
and
maybe
having
that
be
the
first
group
who's
eligible,
because
those
are
the
folks
who
can
have
the
toughest
time
doing.
M
I
Thank
you.
Excellent
presentation
very
well
done
one
of
the
best
I've
heard
in
this
Council
chamber.
So
thank
you.
It's
good
to
have
you
here.
I
just
have
a
few
questions
on
that
point.
So
I
agree
about
additional
funding.
It'd
be
great
to
be
able
to
do
that
if
we're
able
to
so
would
be
interested
if
there's
an
allocation
that
staff
recommends
out
of
the
general
fund
or
the
climate
action
fund
agree
and
share
the
concerns
about
low-income
residents
and
having
like
an
equity
component
to
this
project.
I
You
know,
for
the
same
reasons
like
you:
shared
I
share
the
the
the
preference
for
a
grant
program
as
opposed
to
a
rebate
program,
so
I'm
concerned
about
and
I
understand.
It's
dwa
is
administering
this
program
and
so
they're
administering
it
as
a
rebate
program
right.
So
they
don't
have
capacity
to
do
a
grant
program,
but
I
would
love
to
know.
I
You
know
if
dwa
has
data
about
the
equity
of
their
program
and
who
it's
going
to,
because
we
do
want
people
of
all
income
levels
to
be
able
to
help
us,
save
the
planet
and
save
water.
So
the
equity
concerns-
and
maybe
we
can
do
that
just
through
how
we
allocate
the
dollars
which
you
will
come
up
with
a
policy
about
that
would
be
helpful.
I
I
was
wondering
if
we
should,
if
50,
that,
if
the
50
000
is
enough
for
individual
residences
or
if
it
should
be
split
more
evenly,
I
just
wanted
your
input
about
that.
Obviously
we
want
to
allow
HOAs
and
we
want
to
support
bigger
projects,
but
we
also
want
to
do
it
in
an
equitable
way.
So
do
you
have
any
thoughts
about
those.
Q
Issues
totally
yeah.
Thank
you
for
the
question,
so
I'll
work
backwards,
so
I
think
in
terms
of
the
50
000
allocation,
because
we
anticipate
that
those
will
not
hit
that
five
thousand
dollar
cap.
In
most
cases,
we
I
think
it's
a
good
starting
point
based
on
the
amount
of
money
that
we
have
available.
Q
Q
A
little
bit
differently
is
based
on
how
we
might
decide
to
stack
funding
for
low-income,
low-income
match,
so
whether
we
wanted
to
match
the
sort
of
proposed
dwa,
four
dollars
per
square
foot,
whether
we
might
want
to
I,
like
the
timing,
suggestion
a
lot
I
think
that's
interesting,
potentially
making
that
available.
First,
we
could
either
use
something
like
carafara
or
dwa's
existing
program,
which
I
think
is
pretty
similar,
and
they
would
already
have
that
qualification
which
could
help,
but
I
can
double
check
just
on
those.
Q
Just
to
kind
of
see
what
that
population,
Venn
diagram
looks
like
and
I
don't
have
data
on
the
their
Equity
tracking
right
now,
but
I
can
reach
out
for
you.
So
I
think
that
might
be
the
only
reason
why
we
we
might
switch
it,
but
also
Based
on
dwa's
data
I
mean
we
also
see
that
some
HOAs
do
have
a
higher
concentration
of
low-income
residents
or
residents
on
a
fixed
income,
so
that
I
think
also
fed
into
our
recommendation
to
give
them
a
slightly
larger
bucket,
at
least
for
this
initial
allocation.
Q
I
share
your
concern
about
The
Upfront
cost
and
the
sort
of
tension
between
having
a
grant
versus
a
rebate
program,
like
you
said,
I,
think
for
this
initial
program,
mirroring
dwa's
program
as
much
as
possible
would
keep
us
in
the
rebate
space.
That's
something
that
it
might
be
interesting
to
think
about.
You
know.
Maybe
we
tried
this
year
doing
the
expanded
rebate
for
low-income
customers
and,
if
we're
still
not
seeing
the
uptake
maybe
next
year,
we
think
about
offering
our
portion
as
an
upfront
and
then
dwas
can
come
in
on
the
back
end.
Q
I
Thank
you.
That's
helpful,
I
agree.
I
thought
that
I
had
that
thought
as
well
I'm
trying
to
do
ours
up
front
or
something
in
the
future,
because
so
many
people
can't
do
that
upfront
cost
which
is
cost
prohibitive,
so
I
think
that's
an
important
solution
to
solve
for
and
then
just
explain
to
me
so
excuse
me.
The
commission
said
little
to
no
artificial
turf.
I
I
Turf
is
terrible
for
the
environment
it
put
microplastics
into
back
into
our
water
supply
and
our
land
and
all
the
bad
things,
and
it's
made
out
of
petroleum.
We
should
not
use
it
as
Turf
conversion,
so
can
you
just
explain?
Will
it
be
under
the
discretion
of
Staff
or
dwa
staff?
How
will
that
work
for
projects
that
are
including
artificial
turf.
Q
Sure,
thank
you
for
the
question,
so
I
think
that
I
I
would
say
is
a
little
bit
up
to
the
council's
recommendation.
I
think
what
we
put
forward
is
the
more
streamlined
version,
because
dwa
essentially
would
kind
of
work
through
and
they
sort
of
pre-approve
projects,
and
then,
when
you
receive
the
rebate,
they
do
kind
of
a
back-end
evaluation
to
just
kind
of
make
sure
that
you're
within
the
flow
rate
requirements
that
you've
got
the
kind
of
you
know.
Q
They
don't
want
you
to
just
kind
of
rip
everything
out
and
just
leave
bare
dirt,
so
they
go
back
in
and
verify,
and
so
they
would
at
that
point
very
verify
whether
a
project
had
used
turf
or
not
to
avoid
kind
of
having
to
do
Turf
math
in
the
field,
the
straight
the
most
straightforward
recommendation
is
to
to
not
allow
projects
using
Turf
to
receive
the
city
rebate
funding.
If
we
want
to.
Q
If
we
want
to
minimize
Turf
in
those
projects,
we
could
I
think
we
could
potentially
figure
out
a
middle
ground
it
just
it
just
it
would
be
an
operational
consideration.
We'd
have
to
work
out
with
dwa,
so
I'm
not
totally
sure
exactly
how
we
would
do
that.
But
if
that
were
the
council's
decision,
we
could
probably
figure
something.
A
Q
That's
a
great
question
so
I
think
operationally
speaking
the
easiest
way
to
do.
That
would
be
to
sort
of
set
a
date
after
which
new
projects
would
be
considered.
If
we
wanted
to
retroactively
set
a
date.
I
know
there
have
been
a
lot
of
projects
that
people
have
put
in
the
queue
this
fall
just
because
they're
you
know
interested
in
there.
They
know
they
want
to
be
water.
Smart,
Etc,
I,
don't
have
data
on
how
many
projects
have
been
entered.
Q
For
example
like
between
the
time
that
we
said
we
would
start
considering
this
and
now
I
know
dwa
had
about
40
Projects
in
the
queue
as
of
late
September,
so
that
you
know,
if
we
look
at
how
much
funding
we
have
available,
that
could
take
a
lot
of
our
funding.
That
we
have
available,
which
is
I,
think,
is
a
decision
for
the
council.
A
I
think
is
a
fairness
issue.
Those
process
projects
that
are
currently
in
process
are
ones
that
should
be
eligible
to
to
be
considered,
and
you
know
sometimes
good
people.
Disagree.
Artificial
turf
has
been
a
very
positive
contribution
for
any
number
of
landscaping
projects
that
I
know.
There
are
a
number
of
individuals
who
feel
that
we
should
have
none.
That
should
be
a
policy
question
that
we
debate
as
to
whether
or
not
we
are
or
not,
I.
Q
Sure-
and
so
this
is
also
where
I'm
a
new
person
I,
don't
want
to
run
a
file
of
any
process,
so
I
I'm
happy
to
defer
to
the
interim
city
manager
at
any
time.
My
understanding
is
that
we
do
have
some
climate
action
funding
available
of
I
think
around
a
million
dollars
that
was
allocated
by
the
council
that
if
we
wanted
to
set
some
subset
of
that,
I
would
like
fifty
thousand
dollars.
I
think
would
be
a
a
fair
and
relatively
easy
amount
to
do.
F
H
F
I
mean
I
I
would
be
interested
in
ideally
putting
100K
more
I,
think
50k
to
the
low
income
program
within
another
50k
to
the
single
family
homes.
Just
generally,
if,
if
there's
interest
from
the
council
I
just
we,
we
were
flooded
with
emails
from
different
people
like
individual
emails
from
people
who
are
really
looking
forward
to
this
I.
Just
think
it's
going
to
go
really
fast,
I
I,
don't
mind
limiting
artificial
turf
in
terms
of
our
contribution.
I
think
because
dwa
is
implementing.
F
N
N
If
just
for
the
public
to
know,
if
you
take
the
money,
it's
considered
income,
so
you
will
change
your
income
on
your
property
tax,
on
your
on
your
tax
form
for
both
federal
and
state,
so
just
to
make
that
very
clear,
especially
with
a
low
income
process.
The
program
that
we're
in
you
know
the
dwa
criteria
unless
I'm
missing
it
is
nil
to
nothing,
do
you
do,
does
it
allow
rear
yards
or
is
it
only
front
yards?
Do
you
know
I.
Q
Believe
it
is
both
front
and
rear
yards
I
and
I
believe
most
of
their
criteria.
You're
right
that
it's
not
ex.
It's
not
extensive,
which
I
think
is
a
benefit
means
a
lot
of
projects
can
qualify.
They
have
some
requirements
around
what
you
can
replace
the
ground
cover
with,
so
they
there
are
some
like
plant
requirements,
some
ground
cover
requirements
and
then
flow
rate,
maximums,
but
I
believe
those
are
the
main
requirements
for
the
program,
but
I.
N
Believe
right
I
saw
that
right,
so
maybe
I
can
ask
our
Deputy
Deputy
city
manager
of
this
question
when
I
take
it
that
the
let
me
let
me
back
up
before
I
asked
the
W
sub
manager
that
so,
when
dwa
approves
these,
you
submit
plans
and
they
have
landscapers
that
are
approved
right.
Do
they
have
a
plant
palette
that
you
have
to
use,
I
didn't
see
it
on
their
website.
N
N
But
under
the
system
currently
with
dwba,
you
can
go
and
put
ficus
trees
in
which
consume
enormous
amount
of
water,
or
you
can
put
Tamaris
trees
in
which
we're
trying
to
eradicate
fiercely
throughout
this
Valley,
and
so
without
those
regulations
here,
I
would
I
would
I
could
only
approve
it.
If
we,
you
used
the
pre-approved
plant
pellet
for
the
Coachella
Valley
and
that
we
have
some
design
that
goes
with
it.
N
I
mean
I've,
seen
great
stuff
and
I've
seen
absolutely
hideous
stuff
as
far
as
replacing
it
with
Turf
and
there's
really
doesn't
seem
to
be
any
oversight
with
dwa
on
that
they
just
kind
of
give
you
the
money,
but
because
the
city
has
a
process
already
to
look
at
design
to
look
at
plant
palette.
I
would
think
any
money
that
we
were
spend
should
follow
what
the
city
currently
is
doing
with
every
other
project.
So
my
recommendation
in
approving
this
would
be
to
add
those
and
Flynn
I'm
sure
could
add.
N
A
A
We've
done
an
incredible
amount
of
work
in
educating
the
public
on
desertscape
that
works,
and
that
is
efficient,
and
what
we
have
seen
is
the
public
has
embraced
this
and
we
are
seeing
people
moving
to
to
this
I'm,
not
sure
that
at
this
stage
we
need
to
add
the
administrative
complexity
of
taking
and
telling
people
what
you
must
do,
as
opposed
to
providing
some
resources
to
make
it
easy
for
people
to
choose
and
anyone
who's
going
through.
This
program's
already
made
a
very
affirmative
decision
that
they
want
to
move
away
from
turf.
N
I
would
counter
that
you
can
put
in
fountain
grass.
One
of
the
worst
things
you
can
do
for
our
native
desert
is
to
put
fountain
grass
in
a
decorative
lawn
the
seeds
on
that
blow.
They
actually
they're
an
invasive
species.
They
kill
the
Flora
and
Fauna
that
we
currently
have
in
this
desert.
It's
one
of
the
worst
things
we
can
do.
N
Tamaris
as
I
mentioned,
is
another
horrible
thing
and,
quite
frankly,
we
spend
as
a
city
through
Coachella
Valley
mountains,
Conservancy
the
CDCC
and
others
a
tremendous
amount
of
money
to
remove
those
invasive
species
from
our
desert.
So
if
we
plant
those
type
of
species
in
our
front
yards
and
it
blows
to
the
desert,
we
have
a
problem.
It
could
be
just
as
simple
as
the
plant
palette
has
to
meet
The
koichelli
Valleys
with
Flynn.
What's
the
exact
title
of
it,
Lush.
N
The
lesson
efficient
guidelines
and
that's
all
it
is
right
there
you
go
so
you
know
I
think
it's
very
simple,
I,
don't
think
it's
burdensome
I!
Think
it's
an
educational
thing.
Almost
every
Gardener
that
I'm
sure
dwa
has
approved
has
gone
through
the
program
that's
offered
in
the
valley.
It's
really
in
my
mind,
absolutely
not
a
burden
whatsoever,
and
it's
and
it
you
know
we
spend
so
much
money
and
I
know.
N
M
Okay,
two
things
one
I'm,
not
sure
of
the
federal
part
because
it
may
be
taxable
federally,
but
it's
not
taxable
under
State
good,
so
turf,
turf
conversion
rebates
aren't
taxable
under
state
law
because
that
came
up
previously,
but
Federal
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
exemption
of
any
kind,
but
there
should
be
I
know.
Energy
Efficiency
is
not
rebates
or
not
taxed
federally,
but
I
know
there
was
work
to
get
border
conservation
rebates
not
taxed,
but
I
don't
know
if
that
ever
happened.
M
M
Q
I
would
have
to
get
back
to
you
to
confirm
the
exact
rules.
I
might
I
think
they
control
that,
through
the
amount
of
water
that
they
allowed
to
be
used
in
the
lawn,
so
I
think
they,
instead
of
putting
specific
plant
requirements
and
and
chair
Barrett
is
I
think
pulling
up
the
the
guidelines
as
we
speak.
So
we
can
confirm
this
I
think.
Q
M
Okay,
so
they
serve
you
what
you
can
and
can't
use
now
as
far
as
Lush
and
efficient,
you
know
that
that's
something
we
should
really
discuss
in
our
climate
action
plan,
whether
we
want
to
say
those
aren't
allowed
in
Palm
Springs
ever
right,
I,
you
know
sorted
in
the
Air's
point.
We
should
deal
with
that's
where
we
should
deal
with
that.
I.
Don't
because
we're
doing
this
with
dwa
so
trying
to
make
it
work.
M
I
also
have
trouble
using
taxpayer
money
to
pay
for
it,
so
so
I'm
torn
there,
but
and
I
don't,
but
I
don't
want
to
mess
up,
use
the
right
language
there
operational
stuff
with
dwa
doing
it.
That's
my
only
concern.
Otherwise
you
know
I'd
be
fine
with
not
including
artificial
turf
in
it,
but
my
concern
would
be
just
the
operational
issue
to
get
this
going
and
then
just
you
know,
I
was
on
I.
M
Think
the
chamber
board
call
with
a
member
of
the
board
at
dwa
I
think
they
have
a
million
or
two
million
dollars
of
requests
in
already,
so
our
funding
it.
The
way
it's
done
would,
if
it
just
goes
to
the
ones
already
in,
would
be
gone.
You
know
like
that,
and
that's
sort
of
why
you
know
and
I
forgot.
They
have
a
discount
program
as
well
I'm,
just
more
immersed
in
the
energy
side
of
the
world
that
we
first
have
them.
M
Give
our
funding,
since
we're
only
going
to
fund,
at
this
point,
a
smaller
portion
to
be
to
people
who
qualify
as
low
income
for
their
discount,
who
probably
wouldn't
have
already
applied,
because
if
right,
if
they
couldn't
get
enough,
they
weren't
going
to
apply
and
so
I'm
just
concerned
that
the
money's
going
to
get
taken
by
the
people
who
already
in
quickly
so
I,
don't
know
what
council
thinks
on
that.
I
do
support
another
hundred
thousand.
However,
if
anyone
is
following
this
conversation.
I
Q
So,
in
conversations
with
dwa,
they
have
agreed
that
this
is.
This
would
be
feasible,
especially
at
the
scale
that
we're
recommending,
because
it's
not
that
many
additional
projects,
probably
but
but
they
would
be
able
to
handle
that
amount
of
additional
projects
they.
We
also
discussed
how
they
would
handle
if
we
wanted
to
put
forth
a
Turf
limitation
which
is
sort
of
how
we
ended
up
at
the
kind
of
no
Turf
versus
some
Turf
conversation.
Q
Just
you
know
this
more
straightforward.
The
better
we've
also
discussed
how
we
might
Implement.
If
we
were
to
do
match
their
low
income
program,
we
would
we
would
handle
it
in
much
the
same
way
just
if
we
can
mirror
the
program
that
they're
designing
as
closely
as
possible,
which
would
be
based
on
their
existing
program
and
those
Geographic
considerations.
I
believe
they
are
focusing
the
low
income
program
on
single-family
homes,
but
I
think
that
is
in
still
potentially
into
design.
Q
I
I
I
would
love
your
input
about
what
that
extra
hundred
thousand
dollars
should
go
to
I'd,
like
some
of
it
to
be
reserved
for
the
low
income
match,
so
I
think
you
said
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
low
income
match.
Is
that
the
right
amount
and
then
the
rest
can
go
to
the
general
program?
Or
do
you
have
a
different
recommendation
than
that?
Sorry
to.
Q
Ask
you
questions
during
my
motion.
That's
a
that's
a
good
question.
I!
Don't
know
that
I
have
a
strong
opinion
on
that
matter.
I
mean
I!
Think
we
could.
Theoretically
if
we
wanted
to
dedicate
the
entire
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
it,
we
could
but
I
think
any
money
that
we
dedicate
is
going
to
help
us
kind
of
reach
that
customer
base
better.
So.
I
I
hear
you,
madam
mayor,
but
to
subsidize
conversion
to
pay
city
dollars
to
use
it
for
chemicals
that
we
know
include
forever.
Chemicals
that
are
truly
polluting.
Our
environment
forever
cannot
support
putting
taxpayer
dollars
or
subsidizing
so
approves
sustainability
commissions
recommendations.
Are
there
any
other
matters
that
you
needed
to
be
included
in
the
motion.
Q
I
Sorry,
but
I
would
love
to
see
us
bring
back
a
policy
about
actually
how
to
approve
Turf
and
how,
to
you
know,
prioritize
Turf,
that's
good
for
the
environment
completely
agree
with
your
points
cannot
support
it
without
knowing
if
it's
able
to
be
administered
by
dwa.
Since
it's
not
our
program
well,.
N
There
could
be
again
if
I
could
be
so
friendly.
Maybe
we
can
approve
it
that
way
and
if
there's
a
problem
with
it,
you
know,
if
there's
a
problem
with
administering
it
with
dwa,
which
you
know
we
can
you,
can
we
can
give
staff
the
authority
to
adjust
it,
but
it
would
be
the
kind
of
the
first
thing
out
the
gate
to
ask
for
and
not
have
to
bring
it
back
to
us.
B
G
D
I
F
This
they
they
do
have
their
water
guidelines
and
and
so
I,
don't
think
that
there's
any
way
that
they
would
approve
something
that
required
an
excessive
amount
of
water,
because
if
the
point
is
to
decrease
the
amount
of
water
use
and
they're
very
conscious
of
that
and
it's
on
their
website.
So
I.
Don't
think
that
we
need
to
add
that
additional
thing,
because
it's
naturally
going
to
lend
itself
to
being
those
types
of
plants.
I.
M
I
B
G
Q
I
A
A
We
will
re-uh
Zoom
our
meeting.
The
final
discussion
item
is
item
3D.
This
is
a
discussion
regarding
options
to
fill
an
unscheduled
vacancy
on
city
council
and
we're
going
to
get
a
staff
report
from
the
city
attorney
in
just
one
clarification:
Mr
Ballinger,
it's
my
understanding
that,
since
we
do
not
now
have
a
vacancy
there's,
no
direction
that
Council
can
give
to
to
staff
this
evening.
We
may
all
ask
questions
and
provide
commentary,
but
we
cannot
give
direction.
Is
that
correct.
J
A
J
Our
Charter
does
address
how
vacancies
on
the
city
council
are
to
be
filled,
and
the
charter
provides
city
council
with
two
options
to
fill
a
vacancy
on
the
city
council.
The
first
is
by
appointment
by
the
remaining
city
council
members
and
the
second
is
by
calling
a
special
election.
In
addition,
the
charter
also
specifies
which
is
somewhat
unique
to
Palm
Springs.
Not
all
Charter
cities
have
it
that
if
a
special
election
is
called
the
city
council
has
the
option
to
fill
the
seat
on
an
interim
basis
pending
that
special
election.
J
The
appointment
needs
to
be
made
within
45
days
after
the
vacancy.
Under
the
California
Constitution
assuming
council
member
holstedge
is
elected
to
the
assembly.
She
would
take
office
on
December
5th,
so
that's
the
latest
that
the
seat
could
become
vacant.
Other
options
include
councilmember
hulsage
filing
a
written
notice
with
the
city
clerk
earlier
than
that
date.
Should
she
wish
to
do
that
which
would
create
a
vacancy
before
December
5th,
in
which
case
that
45-day
time
period
would
start
running
when
the
vacancy
is
effective?
J
The
question
has
been
raised
as
to
who
can
participate
in
the
decision
to
call
the
election
versus
making
an
appointment
that
initial
decision
can
be
made
by
the
current
Council
as
well
as
if
the
council
wishes
to
defer
it.
It
could
also
be
made
by
the
future
Council
after
the
municipal
election
again
as
long
as
it's
within
that
45-day
time
period
called
for
in
the
in
the
city's
Charter.
J
It
could
also
include
council,
member
Holsted
should
she
wish
to
participate
in
that
that
initial
decision,
however,
our
Charter
does
provide
that
the
ultimate
decision
as
to
who
to
appoint
should
the
council
choose
that
option
that
ultimate
decision
needs
to
be
made
by
the
remaining
council
members,
not
council,
member
holstedge
and
then
finally,
under
our
Charter,
the
person
who
is
elected
or
appointed
would
serve
the
remaining
unexpired
term
of
of
that
Council
Office.
So
those
are
the
general
parameters
under
under
our
Charter
and
I'm
certainly
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Should
the
council
have
any.
M
J
I
J
Absolutely
the
thought
was
by
City
staff
in
consultation
with
the
mayor,
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
public
is
aware
of
this
potential
issue
and
to
involve
the
public
we're
a
very
engaged
community,
and
we
didn't
want
anybody
in
the
community
to
think
that
we
were
delaying
this
discussion
for
any
reason.
So
that's
how
how
this
item
came
about
in.
In
answer
to
your
second
question,
it's
my
legal
opinion
that
you
can
participate
in
this
decision.
J
It
doesn't
affect
your
any
financial
interest
of
yours
and,
as
I
mentioned
I
believe
under
our
Charter.
You
can
participate
in
in
any
and
all
of
the
discussions
or
actions
up
until
that
point
where
the
council
decides
to
make
the
appointment,
it's
only
that
ultimate
final
decision
on
an
appointment
that
you
would
not
be
able
to
participate
in.
A
And
if
I
could
make
a
comment,
since
there
was
one,
it's
very
important,
that
the
public
understand
what
the
process
is,
and
the
only
reason
that
this
is
before
us
tonight
is
to
make
sure
that
the
public
is
fully
understanding.
I've
received
numerous
comments
and
questions
from
any
number
of
individuals
and
in
light
of
what
the
City
attorney
has
provided
us.
A
I
I
What
are
the
best
practices
not
just
for
like
city
government,
but
I
would
also
really
interested
in
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion
and
any
best
practices
there
is
in
the
literature
or
in
other
cities,
practices
like
how
to
best
get
good
candidates
and
how
have
a
good
clear
process,
and
you
know,
ensure
that
there's
a
fair
process
for
everyone
to
participate
in.
Thank
you.
F
M
I
think
they're
related
enough
and
given
the
tenor
of
this
meeting,
I'm
going
to
just
ask
two
questions.
One
I
know
we
talked
in
the
past
of
wanting
to
look
at
ranked
Choice
voting
and
I
see
some
other
cities
in
the
county
are
now
doing
it
and
that
had
been
the
hold
up
before
was
the
county
said
that
couldn't
be
done,
so
it
might
be
worth
looking
into
and
whether
or
not
we
well.
J
I
C
So
we
did
email
to
Riverside
County
and
asked
them
what
a
special
election
would
cost
us,
and
we
also
researched
our
files
as
do
pass
situations
that
we've
had
in
in
the
event,
and
we
just
came
up
with
a
range
so
with
the
range
that
we've
done
in
the
past
a
special
election
for
one
District.
We
anticipate
that
it
would
probably
cost
us
somewhere
between
20
to
35
000,
for
thank.
C
I
I
And
so
these
districts
have
such
low
numbers
already
that
if
we
have
very
low
turnout
numbers,
it
could
be.
Someone
could
win
an
election
with
very,
very
small
numbers.
So
would
love
some
information
if
you
have
like
demographics
or
at
least
just
voter
turnout
rates
for
those
election
dates.
Since
it
sounds
like
this
Council
will
have
to
decide
which,
which
election
date,
if
that's
the
decision
of
counsel
instead
of
an
appointment.
Thank
you,
mayor
Pro,
Tem,.
J
Not
necessarily
you
know,
we've
got
a
meeting
coming
up
toward
the
end
of
November,
we
got
well.
We
have
one
on
November
10th,
we've
got
one
at
the
end
of
November
I.
Believe
it's
the
28th.
We
have
another
one
on
December
5th,
so
we've
got
three
meetings
technically
after
the
election,
so
I
think
things
could
could
congeal
during
those
three
meetings.
J
F
H
H
Thank
you
for
the
support.
I
see
Madison
heads
from
Council
Members,
so
we'll.
Let
them
know
that
we'd
like
to
give
them
that
opportunity.
If
they
want
to
do
hybrid
meetings,
we
can
do
that
as
well,
where
the
facilities
do
accommodate
that
not
every
facility
where
people
have
meetings
does
but
I
think
this
option
is
something
that
we've
been
hearing
they'd
like
to
do
so.
We'll
move
forward
with
that.
Another
item
just
wanted
to
share
that.
We
are
fortunate
that
we
have
hired
a
new
Public
Works
director
David
Maccabee.
H
He
comes
from
the
city
of
Chino,
where
he
has
been
the
Public
Works
service
manager.
He's
worked
for
the
city
of
Chino
for
21
years,
we're
very
excited
that
he'll
be
joining
our
executive
team
and
leading
up
our
public
works
department,
the
department
of
Maintenance
and
Facilities,
and
he
will
start
with
us
on
November
7th.
So
we
look
forward
to
welcoming
him
also
moving
ahead,
we'll
look
at
the
upcoming
agendas
to
our
agenda
planning
at
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
November
10th.
H
Of
course,
there
are
other
items
as
well
on
the
agenda,
but
those
are
the
ones
that
are
more
business,
legislative
and
public
hearing.
Then,
at
the
end
of
November,
there
were
some
items
that
were
scheduled
for
the
10th,
but
we
moved
them
down
to
accommodate,
making
sure
that
all
members
of
council
could
be
present
to
discuss
things
we'll
be
receiving
a
Plaza
theater
update.
Tentatively,
we
have
the
Dream
Hotel
Amendment.
H
That
was
scheduled
to
be
a
study
session,
but
I
think
we
should
we'd
like
to
go
ahead
and
make
that
a
regularly
scheduled
meeting
to
include
the
climate,
Action
Plan,
update
and
discussion
that
allows
us
to
also
receive
an
update,
most
likely
from
Riverside
County
Transportation
Commission
on
the
CV
Rail
Project,
to
discuss
the
diversity
policy
policy
for
City
boards,
committees
and
commissions,
as
well
as
any
other
items
that
we
might
need
to
to
move
on
to
that
date
and
then
at
the
15th.
Of
course,
we
have
the
swearing
in
of
new
council
members.
F
The
November
28th
meeting
I
I
think
it's
too
much
I
think
we
need
to
move
some
of
these.
These
items
I
know
that,
for
instance,
the
last
time
that
this
sidewalk
of
Vending
in
food
trucks
was
brought
up.
It
did
take
a
long
time
and
some
of
there's
a
several
things
on
here
that
will
take
significant
times,
I'm,
just
wondering
what
from
the
November
28th
meeting,
we
can
move
to
December
5th,
so
I
I
know.
H
F
F
I
mean
not
not
before
the
swearing-in,
but
after
is
what
I
was
thinking,
but
I'm
just
curious.
If
there
was
because
in
the
in
the
past
there
has
been
business
on
the
day
that
we've
done
swearing-ins,
but
we've
also
discussed
at
times
not
having
any
business
on
the
swearing-in
days
and
just
having
a
swearing
in.
So
that's
why
I
was
just
asking
if
there
was
a
plan
to
have
any
business
on
that
day
or
not,
and
whether
or
not
the
council
has
an
opinion
on
that.
H
A
F
M
H
M
Okay
and
then
I
have
one
request
and
I
did
speak
to
the
City
attorney
and
Veronica
goodheart
sorry
compliance
person
on
vacation
rentals.
You
know
one
thing,
I
think
we've
all
seen
lots
of
emails
and
from
folks
who
you
know
we're
in
process
in
May
and
June
and
waiting
for
their
permit
right
and
40
days
is
very
upsetting
to
some
of
them
and
I.
You
know
just
let
them
know
it
wasn't
done
for
any
reason.
M
Others
staff
needed
the
time
to
work
or
the
City
attorney
on
the
ordinance.
So
I
did
check
with
the
department
and
they're
good
with,
including
in
the
ordinance,
a
provision
that
on
adoption
at
first
reading,
the
moratorium
would
be
gone
if
we
pass
it
on
first
reading,
because
they
will
then
have
time
to
process
the
ones
that
have
previously
been
in.
So
if
the
majority
is
good
with
bringing
that
as
part
of
it,
okay
and
that
works
for
you
right.
N
You
thanks
on
the
diversity
policy
for
commission
on
boards.
I
know
our
city,
clerk
is
new,
but
we
were.
Are
we
going
to
have
statistics
we're
going
to
try
and
keep
some
statistics
when
we
first
did
that
with
those
I
don't
know?
If
we
ever
did
the
statistics
I
think
the
statistics
were
two
parts
we
were
moving.
N
N
I
Madam
mayor,
if
I
can
ask
yeah
I
just
ask
which
of
these
are
time
sensitive,
so
is
it
the
Dream
Hotel
PDD
amendment?
Is
it
the
building
code
update
some
of
these?
You
know
items
I've
been
personally
involved
with,
which
is
why
I
think
it's
a
long
list
because
I
if
I
win,
my
election
I
will
be
gone
on
November
10th
and
then
I'll
be
sworn
in
on
December
5th.
I
So,
unfortunately,
those
are
really
bad
days
that
we
have
in
their
odd
days,
they're,
not
our
typical
Council
meetings,
which
is
so
sad
because
December
5th
is
climate
action
plan
and
diversity
for
City
boards,
which
I
also
asked
for
and
have
been
really
vocal
on.
So
a
child
care
Zone
text
Amendment
something
I've
asked
for
sidewalk
vending
food
trucks
is
something
I've
asked
for,
but
is
going
to
take
a
long
time
if
community
outreach,
adult
oriented
businesses
ordinance
update,
is
something
that
I've
worked
on.
I
N
E
I
Yeah
I
had
asked
for
it,
because
state
law
has
changed
with
sidewalk
vending
and
allowing
a
lot
of
sidewalk
vending
and
so
I
had
raised.
The
issue
of
our
city
currently
allows
like
a
truck
a
taco
cart
on
the
side
of
the
street,
but
it
doesn't
allow
a
food
truck,
and
so
the
law
changed.
So
it
sort
of
became
inconsistent
with
and
leading
to
some
of
those
absurd
results,
and
so
I
had
asked
the
City
attorney
and
city
manager.
G
I
M
I
mean
on
that
one.
Obviously,
you
know
some
cities
have
passed
laws
to
try
and
implement
the
sidewalk
vendors,
because
we
have
a
situation
on
Arenas
where
someone's
with
an
open
flame
and
smoke
going
into
restaurants
and
bars,
and
so
far
nothing's
getting
done
about
that
which
seems
like
a
real
Health
concern.
So
it's
just
is
that.
Is
there
an
ordinance
ready?
Because
otherwise,
if
we're
going
to
spend
60
minutes
just
talking
about
it
and
then
a
whole
new
council
is
going
to
do,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
O
M
Mean
I
think
if
you
can,
since
we've
talked
about
all
this
I,
think
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
finish
it.
It
may
be
a
late
meeting.
I.
Don't
know
that
the
and
I
don't
know
if
it
can
move
up
to
the
10th
if
it's
ready,
but
the
adult
oriented
business
update
I
mean
it's
just
sort
of
cleaning
up
some
stuff
in
the
code
that
was
done
a
long
time
ago,
right
and
so
I,
don't
think
that's
a
long
discussion.
O
M
N
M
M
But
if
we
one
thought
is,
if
we
bring
it
since
vacation,
rentals
is
not
new
business
right,
so
that
would
come
first
and
if
that's,
if
you
know
updating
on
Adult
Learning
businesses
last
and
it's
late,
we
don't
want
to
do
it.
We'll
kick
it
to
the
next
meeting,
but
let's
at
least
have
the
option.
If,
if
all
goes
different
than
what
we're
thinking
on
the
10th
as
far
as
how
much
time.
N
N
J
N
Oh
I
was
just
thinking
in
relationship
to
councilmember
hostage's
point
that
she
would
like
to
take
the
two
points
on
December
5th
and
possibly
move
them
up
that
if
the
you
know,
that's
only
a
couple
of
weeks
to
Move
It
from
November
28th
to
December
5th,
you
know
to
swap
them.
I
was
just
wondering
if
that's
possible
or
you.
H
E
Just
three
items
I
wanted
to
talk
about
briefly:
I
want
to
apologize
that
not
the
last
meeting,
but
the
meeting
before
that
I
came
signed
up
to
talk
and
I
left,
because
the
meeting
did
a
start
on
time,
not
unlike
this
evening,
30
over
30
minutes
late,
starting
and
I.
Just
assuming
you
protect
in
the
catered
food
I,
don't
know
why
it
was
late,
but
hopefully
in
the
future.
E
If
you
manage
your
time,
better
I
can
manage
my
time
better
and
and
just
years
ago,
I
started
coming
to
this
city
councilor,
to
warn
you
more
or
less
about
mosquitoes
or
vectors
in
the
in
the
valley
and
how
the
vector
District,
under
my
opinion,
we're
doing
a
very
good
job
and-
and
that
was
noticed
tonight,
those
mosquitoes
outside
here
I
noticed
and
I
tracked
it
to
the
catch
Basin
right
across
the
street
here
turfs
coming
into
town.
Should
it
be
swarmed
by
mosquitoes?
E
The
current
person
that's
running
for
office
spoke
that
she
denied
any
environment
with
that,
but
I
wouldn't
have
spoke
on
it
if
I
didn't
know
for
a
fact
that
it
was
exported
to
CV
from
this
city
and
and
I
clearly
give
you
the
information
that
I
have
from
CVG
to
those
facts.
So,
and
you
also
mentioned
the
last-
you
talked
to
the
City
attorney
that
shouldn't
be
an
issue
when
people
are
speak
at
these
things
to
be
challenged
by
a
City
attorney.
So
thank
you
and
thank
you.
A
And
we've
reached
just
after
nine
o'clock,
it's
time
to
adjourn
the
next
regular
city
council
meeting
will
be
on
November
10
2022,
beginning
at
5
30,
if
at
all
possible,
but
we
will
have
closed
session
before
then,
and
our
closed
sessions
do
not
always
end
on
time.
The
between
now
and
the
next
time
we
meet
there
will
be
an
election
and
I
encourage
everyone.
On
behalf
of
my
colleagues
who
has
not
yet
voted,
please
vote
it's
fundamental
to
our
democracy.
Please
be
safe
out
there.
We
are
adjourned.