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From YouTube: Measure J Committee | Apr 20, 2022
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Special Meeting of the City of Palm Springs Measure J Committee, held April 20th, 2022
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The
developer,
through
through
the
through
their
attorney,
indicated
that
they
planted
the
trees
and
did
their
maintenance.
But
a
third
party
came
in
and
destroyed
them
and
doesn't
feel
that
it's
their
responsibility
to
replace
trees
that
they
by
no
fault
of
their
own,
were
destroyed.
So
that's
sort
of
we're
in
legal
talks
and
using
some
of
our
opinions
with
the
attorneys
as
well.
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Sure
and-
and
I
think
the
exchange
we
had,
which
I'm
happy
to
address
some
of
that
content
was
also
a
little
bit
about
you
know.
What,
where
are
we
going
forward
with
commission
review
and
roles
and
responsibilities,
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
I'll
need
to
certainly
lean
on
joelle
a
little
bit,
but
I
will
speak
for
him
a
little
bit
and
just
saying
we
just
had
a
meeting
on
our
capital
improvements
plan,
the
five-year
plan
as
we're
looking
to
present
the
budget.
H
So
as
we
meet
on
all
of
this
now,
I'm
still
looking
at
the
projects
list
and-
and
it
really
is
pretty
lengthy
and
there
are
a
ton
of
projects
that
started
in
16,
15,
19,
20
18.
You
know,
projects
that
are
three
four
five
years
in
the
making
that
are
still
not
done.
So
this
is
nobody's
fault,
but
I'm
learning
more
that
I
think
we've
we've
bitten
off
more
than
we
can
chew
in
more
than
one
instance,
and
so
at
the
same
time
we
have
projects
that
we
didn't
expect.
We
would
have
problems
with
that.
H
We
do
you
can't
predict
it
right
downtown
park.
I
think
you
guys
are
familiar
with
our
baggage
handling
system.
If
you
haven't
heard
you
know
we
just
we
have
issues
that
we're
working
through
that
are
also
taking
their
capacity.
So
we
did
talk
about
that
list
some
today.
A
number
of
those
projects
are
really
easy
to
complete
right,
especially
where
other
agencies
are
able
to
handle
some
of
the
project
management,
and
it's
just
kind
of
writing
a
check.
So
those
are
relatively
simple.
H
We
were
already
doing
some
shade
structure
projects
and
there
were
some
shade
structure
projects
that
would
likely
be
a
fresh
round
of
procurement
and
and
not
as
much
oversight.
So
again,
a
little
easier
joelle
and
his
team
do
need
to
do
some
things
to
kind
of
assess
costs,
because
we
weren't
able
to
assist
as
much
at
the
front
end
of
that
effort
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
it's
a
million
dollars
right
and
not
a
million
and
a
half
or
or
whatever-
and
I
know
that's
gonna-
take
a
little
time
and
I'm
so
sorry.
H
I
feel
like
a
broken
record.
But
but
really
the
team
is
just
a
little
behind.
We've
lost
a
person
on
our
team
and
we're
about
to
lose.
You
know
we'll
lose
another
soon
in
our
budget
process.
We're
going
to
talk
to
council
about
adding
some
capacity
right.
We
need
that.
We
need
to
build
more
to
keep
up
not
only
with
the
incoming
money
that
we
know
has
grown,
but
to
catch
up
with
some
of
these
projects.
That
are,
I
mean.
H
Many
of
them
are
five
and
six
years
old,
right
or
so
so
we're
just
behind,
and
that's
really
not
going
to
resolve
in
weeks
or
months.
Unfortunately,
when
we
hire
a
new
project
manager
or
engineer,
it's
probably
12
months,
to
get
them
up
to
speed
so
we're
it's
we're
going
to
have
to
do
a
deeper
dive
on
this,
but
it's
probably
going
to
take
us
a
year
or
two
to
really
kind
of
align
and
catch
up.
That
does
not
mean
we're
not
going
to
get
to
those
community
projects
for
that
long.
H
As
I
said,
a
lot
of
them
are
kind
of
easy
and
we
can
just
go,
but
I
think
the
good
next
step
would
be
for
joelle
and
his
team
to
sort
of
identify
those
that
we
think
we
can
do
immediately
and
the
ones
that
take
a
little
more
time
start
to
assign
a
schedule
first
to
review
from
a
feasibility
standpoint.
Do
we
have
the
price
right?
You
know,
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
then
two
put
it
on
the
queue
with
with
his
other
projects.
H
So
as
it
stands
now,
each
of
his
team
members
has
about
10
or
so
active
projects,
which
is
a
lot
some
of
those
are
in
design.
Some
of
those
are
wrapping
up,
but
that's
a
lot,
so
I
just
I'm
encouraging
him
to
be
really
honest
with
himself
and
the
team
and
you
and
council
about
the
timing
of
those
things.
I'm
comfortable
suggesting
to
council
that,
because
you,
you
didn't,
spend
a
million
dollars
last
year
that
we'd
be
able
to
supplement
that,
with
the
caveat
that
we're
already
kind
of
behind
right.
H
So
so,
if
we
can
triage
this
with
the
easy
stuff
and
then
schedule
the
more
complicated
things
and
we're
going
to
have
to
do
the
same
thing
with
the
rest
of
our
cip,
including
projects
that
have
no
measure
j
funding
and
and
figure
out
what
we
can
really
get
done
as
we
build
the
capacity.
So
I
apologize
that's
a
long
answer,
joelle
anything
to
to
add
to
give
greater
clarity
on
when
we
might
be
able
to
evaluate
some
of
those
projects.
Well,.
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No,
no,
I
I
appreciate
the
all
the
information
you're
here,
giving
them
the
commission.
I
in
my
own
words,
try
to
convey
that
information,
also
not
promising
them
that
I'm
going
to
be
able
to
construct
all
these
projects
right
away,
telling
them
that
it's
going
to
take
me
some
time
to
evaluate,
I
think,
that's
where
we
left
it
off
last
time
is
that
it's
going
to
take
me
quite
a
while
to
get
through
just
assessing
whether
the
cost
estimates
are
accurate
or
not.
A
We
take
a
stab
at
them
now,
just
to
the
sheet
you
got
was
a
sheet
that
we
use
for
all
our
projects,
where
we'll
throw
in
some
percentages
for
construction
management
design,
and
it
just
kind
of
throws,
you
can
see
immediately.
It
shows
the
one
million
dollar
estimate
or
the
projects
to
about
two
and
a
half
million.
So
it's
just
a
really
rough
estimate
just
so
that
we
can
have
this
conversation
today.
What
the
city
manager
is
saying
is
correct.
A
It's
we
are,
we
have
a
lot
of
projects
and
I
I'm
not
one
to
say
no,
but
it
is
sometimes
I
do
try
to
express
that.
We
are,
you
know,
really
busy
and
that
we
can't
we
don't
have
the
capacity
to
just
you
know
every
project
you
give
me
I'm
gonna
be
able
to
complete
right
away
right.
I
think
I've
even
said
that
if
you
give
me
10
million
there's
no
way,
I
could
even
do
those
projects
in
the
next
10
years.
So
I
think
I've
sort
of
been
honest
with
this
commission.
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Basically,
because
we
had
so
many
projects
that
all
seemed
worthy
that
you
know
and
understanding
timing
that,
maybe
you
know,
let
us
give
you
the
full
batch,
because
by
the
time
we
actually
get
to
a
lot
of
them
there
potentially
could
be
three
million
reserved
for
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
So
we
are
aware
I
wasn't
a
millionaire.
My
second
question,
I
guess
in
terms
of
engineers,
because
there
is
a
lot-
and
we
understand
that
this
is
just
one
small
portion
of
all
the
things
is.
Is
it
realistic?
H
So
so
I
we
certainly
don't
want
it
to
be
always
right,
but
but
but
admittedly
capacity
can
be
a
bit
of
a
slow
moving
ship.
So
I
mentioned,
I
think
it
probably
takes
12
months
to
get
somebody
up
to
speed
and
productive.
You
can.
You
can
recruit
for
in
four
months
if,
if
you're
lucky,
although
we've
had
a
vacant
parts
and
rec
director
position
for
longer
than
that,
you
know
and-
and
we
went
through
one
round
of
recruitment-
we
really
didn't
land
somebody.
H
We
extended
the
recruitment
we're
in
the
stages
of
offering
right
now,
but
I
I
already
know
that
that
we've
lost
one
or
two
of
those
candidates
right.
So
in
this
labor
market,
it's
tough
and
it's
especially
tough
in
boom
economies
for
engineers
and
project
managers
and
and
the
like,
because
the
private
side
is
so
active.
H
We
we
tend
to
do
better
when
the
economy's
slowing
down,
because
the
stability
of
public
jobs
is,
is
the
appeal,
whereas
I
don't
want
to
say
the
fast
money
but,
like
you
know,
often
times
when,
when
we're
in
a
hot
market
and-
and
we
see,
inflation
and
prices
are
going
way
up.
They're
part
of
that
right,
they're
bit
they're
bidding
higher
on
these
projects
because
there's
an
excess
of
demand
and
those
margins
enable
them
to
to
be
more
attractive.
They
can
offer
more
pay.
H
So
I
don't
know
if
measure
j
is
even
a
source
of
funding
that
can
be
used
for
administrative
capacity.
Maybe
that's
something
we
can
explore.
We
need
to
hire
at
least
one
and
and
evaluate-
and
I
think
it's
probably
more
like
two
or
three
over
time
once
we
do
one
once
we
exceed
one,
we
do
kind
of
have
to
look
at
the
management
structure,
because
you
know
we
have
a
way.
We
want
to
manage
these
projects
and
someone
needs
to
manage
the
the
project
managers
at
some
point
span
of
control
and
things
matter
too.
H
So
so
I
think
we
can
grow
into
that
and
I
think
we
could
even
resolve,
maybe
in
six
months
what
we
want
our
build
out
to
be,
and
in
12
or
something
12
to
18
do
that
to
where
we
could
catch
up
and
then
keep
up
right.
Some
of
that
is
our
own
doing.
We
we
have
identified
so
many
projects,
and
this
is
a
pattern
that
goes
back
a
long
time.
H
I
apologize
if
I
sound
like
a
broken
record,
but,
like
we
talked
about
a
library
a
decade
ago,
when
we
look
back,
there
would
have
been
no
way
to
do
that
library
without
not
doing
something
else
that
we
promised,
and
this
goes
deep,
it's
it's
parking
downtown.
It's
you
know
it's
both
capital
and
operations,
things
we've
kind
of
loaded
up
an
agenda
that
was
never
realistic,
we're
going
to
add
a
lot
in
our
budget
this
year.
H
That's
going
to
help
us
keep
up
adding
project
managers
as
possible,
but
when
you
see
the
budget
presented
to
council
next
week,
there's
probably
25
more
maybe
closer
to
30
or
35
new
positions.
We
want
to
add
to
the
organization,
so
the
other
thing
is
just
going
to
be
pacing
that
right,
we
can't
you
know.
Sometimes
we
have
60
70
recruitments
going
on
simultaneously
and
that
and
that's
kind
of
our
max
given
our
hr
department.
So
it's
not
all
doomsday,
but
we
can't
fall
behind
forever.
H
E
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
just
a
couple
of
clarifying
questions.
So
what
and
I
appreciate
the
context
of
kind
of
the
kind
of
the
backlog
of
projects
and
kind
of
where
you
are
in
terms
of
recruiting
for
the
city
and
all
the
capacity
requirements,
but
just
kind
of
just
ideal
scenario
like
what
is
the
it's
unclear
to
me?
E
What
is
the
ideal
turnaround
time
from
when
a
project
is
approved
or
allocated
in
the
budget
to
like
acted
on
right
like
it's
it'd,
be
helpful
to
know
like
we
want
once
a
project
decided
for
it
to
be
active
within
a
year
within
24
months,
because
it
seems
to
me
that
by
the
very
nature
of
our
revenue
and
the
decision-making
structures
within
the
city
that
there
will
always
be
some
level
of
you
know
catch-up
so
is
like
three
years
minimum.
You
know
from
when
something's
decided
to
something
is
starting
to
be
built.
H
It's
a
great
question:
it's
not
quite
a
simple
answer
and-
and
here's
part
of
the
reason
why,
if,
if
you
look
at
our
total
capital
improvements
status,
log
that
I
was
just
looking
at
with
the
team,
we've
got
some
things
that
we're
doing
annually
like
slurry
seal
and
pavement
projects
that
are
on
repeat
right
and
that
so
we've
done
a
bunch
of
planning.
We've
got
a
long
list
based
on
grades,
and
we
want
to
do
about
six
million
a
year
of
that
and
we
can
do
it
every
year.
H
It's
it's
rinse
and
repeat
taking
another
example
and
one
I
cited
to
the
chair
in
an
email,
this
cycle,
eight,
which
is
you
know,
some
intersection
improvements
and
things
that
were
all
about
safety,
but
is
dictated
somewhat
by
caltrans
and
federal
dollars.
The
call
for
those
projects
was
in
may
of
2016
and
they
were
ready
to
release
the
funding
to
start
those
projects
like
yesterday.
H
Basically-
and
I
don't
know
if
we
know
in
19
2019,
if
it's
going
to
be
21,
22,
23
or
24-
that's
a
big
area
of
uncertainty
for
us
on
top
of
that,
the
five-year
cip
never
contemplated
the
navigation
center,
but
we
came
along
and
said
boy.
You
know
here's
an
emerging
priority,
and
so
we
need
to
insert
that.
We
also
didn't
know
that
say
the
downtown
park
or
some
of
our
other
projects
would
be
in
dispute
after
they
were
supposed
to
be
finished.
H
So,
whatever
plans
we
made
to
start
new
projects,
some
of
our
capacity
is
kind
of
still
stuck
managing
those
projects,
so
it
turns
out
to
be
really
dynamic
once
we're
caught
up.
I
think
a
typical
project,
you're
kind
of
conceiving
and
planning
doing
you
know
some
due
diligence
in
years,
one
and
two
designing
in
year
three
constructing
by
four
and
five
right.
Does
that
sound
about
right,
joelle
and
don?
Like
I
mean
that's,
really,
generic,
because
yeah.
B
H
Six
months
right,
it's
like
project
it's
in
the
multi-year
in
in
that
that
kind
of
time
frame.
When
we
do
a
five-year
cip,
hopefully
the
things
we
say
we
can
do
in
year.
Three,
we
can
do
them
in
year,
three
right,
even
if
that
means,
starting
in
year,
two,
but
again,
that's
kind
of
in
the
environment
where
we're
caught
up.
H
H
D
For
the
projects
I
mean,
because
the
the
measure
j
projects,
which,
even
if
some
of
them,
as
you
mentioned
you
know,
can
go
right
to
city
council,
which
you
know
maybe
like
allocating
money
for
the
plaza
theater
or
increasing
the
road
paving
will
that
go
to
them
now
like.
If
we
I
mean,
in
the
absence
of
even
though
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
engineering
has
to
review.
D
H
I,
yes,
I
think,
for
some
of
those
things
that
are
simple,
so
we're
we're
planning
our
first
budget
presentation,
which
is
largely
the
general
fund,
the
the
25th.
Next
next
week
we
had
planned
on
doing
some
of
the
cip
and
the
rest
of
that
may
4th
bottom
line.
We
have
to
approve
our
budget
by
the
end
of
the
year
since
we're
talking
about
some
of
the
projects
that
would
have
occurred
this
year
and
with
those
funds
available.
H
I
think
we
can,
as
part
of
that
budget
process
say
here,
are
some
of
these
projects
and
and
flag
the
ones
that
are
really
a
financial
transfer,
and
then
we
just
have
to
make
the
arrangements
on
how
that
happens.
Is
it
reimbursement?
Do
we
do
we
pay
up
front
under
what
conditions
right?
You
know
when
we're
working
with
really
solid
partners
that
we
know
well
that
that's
pretty
easy,
I
think
so
so,
right
now
being
like
a
a
one
to
three
month
horizon.
H
Yes,
some
of
the
other
things
that
are
relatively
simple
like
where
we
had
multiple
shade
structures.
I
think
again,
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
over
promise
for
joelle
and
his
team
because
they
still
have
a
lot
to
just
clear
from
their
plate.
I
think
they're
doing
too
much
right
now,
like
10
projects
per
person
is
a
lot,
no
matter
how
small
they
are
and-
and
it's
I
think
things
might
slip
through
the
cracks
at
that
clip,
or
certainly
our
team
is
too
too
exhausted.
H
So
even
some
of
the
things
like
the
shade
structures,
I
imagine,
are
going
to
be
months-
plural
out
right
to
just
and
then
the
process
of
getting
those
a
little
bit
of
design
and
selection
right.
It's
it's
a
simple
shade
structure,
but
is
it
one?
Is
it
two?
Is
it
multi-leveled
all
those
things?
The
procurement
is
probably
90
days
total,
I
think,
to
issue
to
get
responses
and
then
to
take
it
to
council
for
approval
and
sign
off,
and
then
construction
is
probably
scheduled
and
followed.
H
B
H
E
I
think
what
has
been
a
struggle
for
us
is
not
even
knowing
when
things
are
going
to
get
approved
by
council
or
just
for
review,
and
so
that
delay
has
been
6
12
plus
months
before
it
even
gets
to
engineering.
And
so
you
know-
and
I
recognize
there's
a
on
the
agenda
tomorrow-
a
conversation
around
commissions
and
kind
of
the
communication
flow
back
and
forth
between
council
commissions.
E
But
I,
like
engineering's
doing
miracles
like
I
totally
get
that
I
think
there's
just
a
lot
of
other
structural
things
that
are
unclear
and
at
least
for
me,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
seeing
those
really
cleared
up,
because
you
know,
as
a
city
there's
only
so
much.
We
can
do
to
like
make
construction
faster
or
procurement
faster.
D
H
Can
I
touch
on
tomorrow,
yeah
sorry,
I'm
calling
people
stop
meaning
to
or
yeah
tomorrow
I
I
don't
envision
a
significantly
different
role
for
measure
j.
I
think
what
I
envision
number
one
you'll
see
in
the
staff
report.
I
think
commissions
should
be
standardized
in
terms
of
size.
We
should.
We
should
solidify
that
there's
it's
an
advisory
role
unless
otherwise
delegated.
H
Then
council
gives
something
back
to
commission
saying
this
is
what
we'd
like
to
see
right
so
in
a
year
where
planning
wasn't
otherwise
kind
of
done
and
on
hold,
we
would
have
brought
back
to
you
that
council
is
really
interested
in
bike
pad
and
they're
really
interested
in.
You
know
looking
at
things
through
a
sustainability
lens
or
a
social
justice
lens,
and
then
we
would
have
said
so
for
your
projects.
Please
please
help
us
understand
how
they
address
those
needs.
H
You
would
then
come
back
and
say
with
every
other
commission
in
the
next
year.
This
is
what
we
see
as
our
workload
right.
We're
going
to
have
a
few
months
of
this
kind
of
planning
process.
Then
we're
going
to
go
into
community
projects
and
then
we're
going
to
you
know
be
in
in
just
in
a
place
of
evaluating
projects
and
here's.
What
the
whole
thing
looks
like
we
bring
that
back
to
council.
They
sign
off,
we
bring
it
back
to
you
signed
off
and
we
kind
of
have
the
year
mapped
out.
H
That's
also
what
we're
trying
to
do
with
council
priorities
is
map
out
a
full
year's
worth
of
work,
break
it
down
into
kind
of
multi
three
four
months
sections
so
that
we're
all
on
the
same
page
about
what's
coming
next
and
create
that
level
of
clarity.
On
top,
we
want
to
make
sure
there's
something
like
a
joint
meeting
once
a
year
and
at
least
quarterly
some
other
touch
points.
We
might
talk
about
whether
that
should
look
like
a
report
that
this
commission
authors
quarterly
or.
H
Alternatively,
maybe
I
think
it's
hard
for
council
members
to
attend
monthly,
but
maybe
they
come
quarterly
and
on
the
agenda,
is
a
report
from
the
commission
to
the
the
council
rep
and
from
the
council
rep
to
the
commission,
we're
we're
going
to
build
in
those
things
to
make
it
a
lot
more
integrated,
because
everybody
shares
your
feeling
that
that
that
there's
there's
some
disconnect
and
we
have
struggled.
I
have
struggled
to
kind
of
take
on
the
process,
improvement,
stuff
and
the
other
changes
we've
had
in
the
other
in
the
in
the
organization,
vacancies,
etc.
H
So
I
apologize
we've
been
behind
on
that
too.
I
wanted
to
be
further
ahead.
Losing
our
city
clerk
didn't
help
losing
11
of
our
really
big
top
positions
over
the
last
12
months
didn't
help,
but
I'm
not
making
excuses.
We're
really
close.
Now
to
having
that
conversation
and
setting
up
that
better,
more
predictable
and
reliable
process,
I
don't
see
the
role
changing.
I
still
see
this
commission
making
recommendations
on
the
use
of
measure,
j
funds
and
the
community
projects.
H
D
One
of
the
best
parts
of
the
community
projects
is
that
it
actually
could
help
council
to
understand
what
the
community
wants
to
see
as
they
make
as
they
come
up
with
their
policy.
So
that
would
be
helpful.
I
have
one
more
question
in
terms
of
finances,
so
is:
is
there
a
report
on
how
much
measure
j
fund
besides?
What's
not
allocated,
is
allocated
but
not
used?
D
H
B
H
D
B
I
H
As
as
nancy's
looking,
let
me
say
that
this
is
the
other
thing
that
we
want
to
kind
of
tighten
up
and
and
when
you
look
at
our
five-year
cip,
the
team's
done
a
great
job,
but
it's
complicated.
We
have
so
many
restricted
sources.
Sometimes
we're
saving
money,
sometimes
we're
spending
it.
We've
got
balances,
we've
got
incoming
projections,
sometimes
the
money
comes
in
more
than
what
we
planned.
So
we
are
also
trying
to
tighten
that
up.
So
we
can
more
easily
say:
we've
got
x
amount
in
balance.
H
B
H
If
we
had
restricted
funds,
I
have
not
looked
into
the
legality
of
it,
but
that's
something
we
could
do
if
this
commission
is
interested
in
that.
The
other
thing
I
want
to
offer
is
that,
as
we
move
forward
from
this
position
of
being
behind,
one
of
the
other
things
we
could
probably
do
is
start
to
quickly.
If
we
haven't
already
look
at
some
of
the
projects,
both
community
and
otherwise,
and
start
to
identify
those
that
we
think
are
really
really
easy
right.
H
I
I
know,
for
instance,
our
police
department
needs
to
replace
a
bunch
of
radios.
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
you
guys
would
even
be
interested
in,
but
if
it
is
that's
an
easy
way
to
spend
money
and
support
in
operation,
and
we
could
probably
help
you
like
identify
those
so
that
we
can
so
that
we're
more
likely
to
have
something
to
show
for
the
effort.
B
I
I
would
recommend
too,
I've
thought
a
lot
about
this
when
we're
talking
about
community-based
projects
to
me
when
our
sub
team
met
those
are
small
projects
I
mean
and
along
in
the
57
projects,
we
had
really
major
capital
project.
I
I
don't
know
what
the
figure
would
be,
but
I
think
community-based
projects
should
be
under
a
certain
amount
of
money
and
that's
all
we
looked
at
because
we
have
just
shoved.
B
You
know
a
lot
of
capital
projects
over
to
the
engineers
and
that's
a
whole
other
process
from
what
I
see
our
community-based
project
in
looking
at
that
again,
we
want
small
projects
that,
as
you
say,
can
pretty
much
easily
be
done.
So
maybe
that's
something
as
a
commission,
we
need
to
look
at
to
really
not
get
into
myself
kitchen
not
get
into
these
things
that
are
really
million
dollars.
They
are
major
day
capital
projects,
not
not
really
community
based
small
things.
D
H
Maybe
some
drainage
impacts,
a
procurement,
a
design,
a
construction.
So
four
of
those
that
are
small
might
be
more
time
consuming
to
manage
than
one
of
those
that
is
more
costly
right,
because
each
one
has
its
separate
process.
Whereas,
let's
say
the
arts
commission
came
or
somebody
and
said,
we've
got
this
great
idea
to
locate
a
piece
of
art.
That's
beyond
our
budget.
H
That's
that's
one
of
those
cases
where
you
write
a
check
and
it's
done
right.
The
shade
structures
are
kind
of,
in
my
mind,
a
little
bit
in
between
they're,
simpler
than
building
something
from
the
ground
up,
but
they're
more
complicated
than
buying
something
and
plugging
it
in
in
place
or
turning
the
management
over
like
the
uplighting
on
the
visitor
center.
If,
if
if
the
visitor
center
can
go,
hire
someone
to
do
that,
we
don't
have
to
oversee
it
fairly
simple
to
get
that
money
out
the
door.
C
Not
not
really
expecting
a
little.
So
let
me
rephrase
I'd
like
to
offer
this
up
as
something
for
us
collectively
to
think
about
and
for
guidance
specifically
coming
from
from
justin
going
forward
digesting
all
this.
I
don't
think
we
have
a
lot
of
controversy
around
the
community
projects.
They'll
take
some
time
to
get
done.
They
have
merits,
but
I
think
we're
all
we're
all
embracing
those
as
good
things
to
do,
even
if
we
have
to
wait
for
that
good
thing
to
come
about
as
I'm
digesting
a
lot
of
what
justin
is
describing.
C
H
If
you
will
the
plan
with
some
things
like
that
and
and
and
then
being
thoughtful
about,
what
are
the
more
intense
projects
that
are
so
valuable.
We
need
them,
no
matter
what
it
takes.
Really,
like
a
library
like
a
fire
station
and
being
thoughtful
about
how
much
of
the
work
at
any
given
time,
especially
or
maybe
the
next
two
or
three
years,
especially
as
we're
in
that
transition.
H
Shifting
some
of
that
would
help
tremendously
to
fewer
easier
projects,
and
rhodes
is
a
good
example.
I'm
not
suggesting
that's
the
one
you
would
select,
but
it
functions
just
like
you're
saying
where
we
can
scale
that
up
and
and
and
it's
not
a
huge
impact
to
the
team,
I
think,
is
that
right
joelle,
I
shouldn't
speak
so
much
for
the
team.
A
No
you're
you're
pretty
much
accurate,
but
the
projects
also
take
time
right.
You
you're
actively
managing.
If
you
you
give
more
money,
say
six
to
10
million
right.
That
extends
the
project
longer
and
it
involves
a
lot
of
issues
with
the
communities.
Neighborhoods
people
not
getting
their
project
done
proper
in
time,
so
it
does
scale
up
and
it
does.
It
is
a
little
bit
time
consuming.
So
if
you
and
and
you're
right,
the
money
would
be
easily
used
very
valuable
to
the
city,
but
it
will
generate
some
work
for
staff.
D
Alex
already
allocated
yeah,
okay,
that
money's
done
so
you've
got
the
up.
You've
got
the
unallocated
of
17
6
plus
you've
got
a
17,
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
scope
of
projects
plus
you've
got
a
17
17-8
that
has
been
allocated
that
you
just
haven't.
I
mean
the
project
actually
could
be
undergoing.
I
should
say
I
mean
it
just
hasn't
been
finished,
but
that
you
have
17.8
million
dollars
with
the
projects
which
are
already
approved
and
by
everyone.
Let.
I
A
So
I
think
if
the
commission
allows
us,
I
think
we
can
regroup
and
and
do
a
report
that
shows
where
how
many
projects
we've
allocated
money
to
that
are
currently
not
showing
up
in
our
in
our
monthly
budget
reports,
and
we
should
be
able
to
determine
where
that
money
sits.
There
are
older
projects
that
were
conceived
a
while
ago
and
put
money
aside
that
you
know.
Basically
in
2019-18,
we
were
moving
forward
with
projects
and
the
commission
was
allocating
money
and
we
would
put
it
in
a
budget.
D
I
think
and
the
reason
I
was
asking
this
because
we
talked
about
you-
know
it's
not
like
everything
that
was
approved
prior
to
this
year.
It's
all
done
and
spent.
I
mean
that's
what
right
right.
The
manager
is
saying
you're
still
working
on
that,
so
my
question
is
now
you're
talking
like
20
million
this
year
and
20
million
next
year
and
could
be
another
20
million
from
previous
years.
D
A
Right
and
then
historically
in
the
past,
we
had
at
least
one
session
where
we
did
a
trua,
where
we
would
show
you
that
information
in
in
in
a
spreadsheet
form-
and
I
think
we
could
still
do
that
but
and,
as
you
said,
there's
a
new
system
that
we're
trying
to
learn
and
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
once.
We
learn
how
to
use
it
properly.
We
can
get
that
a
true
if
you
will
of
all
the
money
and
all
the
projects
where
it
says
to
you
know
at
that
time.
I
Of
of
the
17,
that's
unspended,
unspent,
I'm
sorry
about
5.5
million
is
sitting
in
unallocated.
As
you
recall,
we
brought
the
five-year
cip
program
to
the
last
budget
meeting
last
june,
and
the
city
council
wanted
us
to
remove
that
and
go
over
that
at
a
second
separate
time
so
of
the
17.8
about
5
million.
Something
5.2
has
not
been
allocated
just
sitting
there,
but
joel
has
that
programmed
already
in
his
five-year
plan.
I
No
5.2
is
not
allocated
out
of
the
17
million.
The
rest
have
been
allocated
prior
years,
but
not
have
not
been
completed.
So,
like
joel
l
said
we
have
this
new
system
and
when
we
look
at
the
general
ledger,
it
tells
us
capital
projects
and
we
go
by
project
strings.
Now,
it's
a
little
more
cumbersome
than
it
was
in
the
past.
So
we
have
to
run
all
the
project
codes
to
come
up
with
the
details
of
which
projects
are
in
there
and
which
what
the
balances
are
in
those.
H
So
so
revenues
have
grown
right.
So,
at
whatever
point,
we
thought
there
was
revenues
of
x
amount.
We
allocated
those
in
the
five-year
cip,
but
now
there's
y
amount
there's
something
greater
and
and
that
really
should
be
the
gap.
So
the
5
million
was
one
year's
worth
of
funding.
The
council
said
we
still
want
to
kind
of
validate
where
that
goes,
but
assuming
for
a
minute
that
that
still
goes
everywhere
that
we
assigned
the
only
thing
unassigned
should
be
our
increase
in
measure
j
revenue.
That
was
not
projected
as
part
of
the
budget.
D
D
I
Yeah
I
put
a
placeholder
in
it
like,
for
I
put
that
five
million
in
for
a
placeholder
for
2021.
or
and
no
for
21.22,
and
I
guess
somebody
blew
up
that.
Why
does
that?
So
I
hurried
and
removed
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
put
something
in
there
as
a
placeholders
that
that's
what
we
have
sitting
in
basically
unallocated,
but
it's
truly
allocated
through
joelle's
five-year
plan.
D
Okay,
so
just
so
you
know,
my
original
question
was
regarding
other
money
from
prior
years
that
we
already
said
this
project's
been
approved
by
everybody,
but
we
just
haven't
been
able
to
because
we
don't
have
bandwidth
to
be
able
to
do
it.
So
is
there
a
measure,
j
pot
from
prior
to
the
2122
that
we
we
already
have
projects
to
sign,
but
we
just
haven't,
haven't
gotten
to
them.
They
haven't
started
them
finished.
I
H
I
H
What
that
sounds
like
to
me
is
we
would
project
the
total
measure
j
revenues
by
the
end
of
the
year,
which
would
mean
everything
accumulated
before
this
year.
Everything
we
expect
to
co
to
come
in
at
the
end,
where
it's
assigned
and
what
is
left,
that's
unassigned
right
and
then
for
the
assigned
projects.
We
could
probably
say
something
about:
what
is
the
status
of
it?
Is
it
on
hold
entirely?
Is
it
underway
or
something
like
that.
D
H
So
so
we
are
still
in
the
latter
stages
of
planning
how
we're
gonna
present
the
five-year
cip,
and
one
of
the
reasons
is
because
all
the
stuff
we
just
talked
about
with
capacity.
What
I'm
a
little
reluctant
to
do
is
say:
here's
plans
for
one
year,
one
year,
two
year,
three,
your
four
year:
five,
if
those
really
aren't
plans,
so
you
know
what
I
mean
like
if
you're
five
might
be.
Your
eight
is
what
I'm
saying.
H
So
that's
a
small
group
of
projects,
the
rest
of
the
cip
would
stay
intact,
but
the
the
cip
exists
both
separate
from
the
budget
as
a
five-year
projection,
and
then
it
gets
incorporated
into
the
budget
during
the
one
year
that
things
are
funded,
so
we're
going
to
do
a
little
of
both
so
that
they
are
not
committing
when
they
adopt
the
budget
to
anything
beyond.
Next
fiscal
year,
by
showing
them
the
cip
and
covering
it
kind
of
largely,
we
will
get
some
level
of
feedback
that
we're
on
the
right
track
with
that
planning
or
not.
H
D
And
will
they
ask
at
any
point
for
what
I
mean
we
looked
at
it?
We
discussed
it.
It
all
looks
pretty
good.
Well,
they
ask
for
whether
measure
j,
officially
or
officially
just
says.
Yes,
we
recommend
this
or
not
of
any
of
the
projects.
We
haven't
really
done
that,
but
not
not
that
they
don't
look
good.
H
So
I
I
guess
I
would
look
to
this
commission
for
some
of
that.
I'm
not
familiar
enough
on
how
that
was
presented,
because
some
of
it
was
right
before
I
arrived.
If
if
the
commission
has
looked
at
it
and
thinks
yes,
this
the
use
of
measure
j
funds
is
good
and
appropriate,
then
we
could
certainly
relay
that
if
you
feel
like
this
commission
has
not
made
that
determination,
then
we'd
have
to
think
more
carefully.
D
D
This,
so
I
I'm
sorry,
I
guess
some
of
this
was
right
when
you
started
so
this
has
been
the
frustration
that
council
is
now
going
to
make
decisions
without
having
our
recommendations
on
anything
other
than
those
community-initiated
projects
and
a
few
once
we
moved
over,
not
that
we
don't,
we
didn't
look
at
when
we
looked
at
it
in
may.
None
of
us
said
like,
oh,
my
god.
This
is
crazy.
We
don't
want
to
do
this,
so
I
don't,
but
we
can.
We
can
set
that
as
an
agenda
thing
for
next
time.
F
Benefit
I'll
just
kind
of
simplify
how
this
commission,
in
a
nutshell,
used
to
work-
and
you
guys
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
with
community
initial
initiated
projects,
they
were
very
simple
projects
in
the
past.
This
is
the
first
time
that
it's
a
menagerie
of
a
lot
of
different
things
and
that
we
had
so
much
community
input.
We
generally
would
get
input
either
from
another
commission
or
through
one
ps,
and
it
would
be
very
laser
focused
for
several
years.
We
spent.
F
I
don't
know
how
many
million
joel
on
hot
spots
that's
putting
sidewalks,
where
they
were
missing,
crosswalks
were
needed,
stop
signs,
etc.
That
was
about
three
million
dollars.
It
was
about
three
years
now
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
I
don't
feel.
I
don't
think
that
we
needed
council
approval
for
community
initiated
projects.
I
think
those
were
designated
by
measure
j
that
one
million
a
year
was
set
aside
for
measure
j
to
discretionary
to
their
discretion,
to
advise
how
they
wanted
to
spend
it
now.
F
Council
may
have
to
approve
the
budget
once
it
went
through
planning
or
engineering,
but
other
than
that
it
was
driven
by
measure
j.
Now,
every
year
we
would
be
given
a
list
of
projects
that
were
a
priority
from
the
city,
and
this
generally
came
out
of
your
office,
the
city
manager's
office,
along
with
engineering,
and
it
was
a
big
laundry
list
of
capital
improvements
for
the
city.
F
We
would
debate
those
we
would
try
to
stay
on
budget.
We
would
try
to
be
very
responsible
with
our
evaluating
all
these
different
projects.
We
might
have-
maybe
only
11
million
dollars
to
spend
for
that
year,
so
we
would
try
to
stay
as
on
budget
with
those
different
projects
listed
that
were
generated
by
the
city.
They
didn't
come
through
the
community,
they
did
not
come
through
our
commission,
they
came
through
city
hall.
F
We
would
present
every
year
in
may
in
a
joint
council
session
where
measure
j
sat
with
the
city
council
and
we
went
through
our
recommendations
for,
however
many
projects
and
again
it
depends
on
the
million
dollar
amount.
One
year
I
think
we
had
like
14
million
and
we
were
able
to
push
forward
about
12
projects.
F
The
last
time
we
did
that
was
in
2019
council
approved
all
of
our
projects
that
we
recommended.
So
we
were
in
sync
that
was
the
last
time
we
met
may
2019
three
years
ago
and
then
those
projects
because
they
approved
that
then
move
forward
and
they
are
funded
by
measure
j.
There
are
projects
that
could
have
been
funded
by
general
fund
with
the
city,
but
no.
F
Some
have
been
completed,
but
in
a
nutshell,
that's
how
we've
worked,
and
I
think
you
know
that's
to
jeffrey's
point
or
chair
bernstein's
point,
that's
something
that
hasn't
happened
since
2019
and
I
can't
believe
we're
already
to
may
and
we
haven't
been
given
that
list.
It
usually
takes
three
or
four
meetings
for
us
to
look
over
this
to
give
our
recommendation,
so
instead
we're
just
focusing
on
the
community
community
initiated
projects.
H
That
is
super
helpful.
I
apologize
that
I
was
not
absolutely
clear
on
that.
What
I
thought
happened
is
that
this
commission
had
made
recommendations
for
the
use
of
measure
j
and
the
five-year
cip
it
was
presented
to
council
council
did
decide
to
kind
of
consolidate
those
into
a
placeholder
because
they
didn't
know
why
measure
j
selected
those
projects
and
that's
where
I
came
in
to
say:
let's
wait
until
we
get
some
strategic
priorities,
but
it
became
apparent.
We
weren't
ready
to
pursue
those
projects,
and
that's
why
I
kept
delaying
it.
H
D
D
So
but
yes,
normally,
we
review
the
seven
the
the
money
outside
of
the
community
initiated
projects
and
saying
this
is
what
we
recommend.
Then,
when
city
council
sat
down
at
their
meeting
to
decide
it,
they
were
like
they've
had
an
independent
group
already
vet.
These,
we
may
or
may
not
agree
with
them,
but
at
least
they
had
something
that
it
wasn't
just
listening
to
not
just
staff
but
had
something.
In
addition,
a
third
party,
in
addition
to
staff,
to
go
through
it,
even
though
we
worked
so.
A
I
would
like
to
just
sort
of
jump
in
a
little
bit
and
try
to
give
my
recollection
of
the
the
five-year
cip
that
we
did
last
year
that
I
brought
those
projects
forward
very
similarly
to
how
we
brought
projects
in
the
past.
The
only
difference
was
that
I
transferred
that
information
into
project
sheets
and
called
it
a
five-year
cip.
I
believe
this
commission
did
deliberate.
We
did
look
at
those
projects
and
those
projects
that
I
put
in
the
cip.
There
were
very
few.
A
D
And
that
is
not
how
it
happened
and
that's
what
we've
been
saying.
We
did
not
deliberate
it.
We
said
this
looks
pretty
good
and
then
we
were
told
to
wait.
So
we
we
did
not,
and
I've
put
that
said
this
directly.
We
did
not
deliberate.
We
did
not
go
through
it,
not
that
it's
terrible,
but
if,
if
city
council
asked
us
if
we
reviewed
and
approved,
I
don't
think
anyone
here
could
say
that
we
did.
D
I
can
I
can
just
interrupt-
I
have
put
this
directly
in
writing
to
city
to
the
city
and
to
that
we
have
not
reviewed
the
cia
plate
on
many
on
several
occasions,
so
we
can
say
that
we
did,
but
we
did
not
deliberate
and,
as
you
know,
commissioner
mazan
said
he's
been
on
the
on
the
commission
longer
than
than
anyone.
Well
mark
was
there
before,
but
in
the
recent
commission
and
every
year
we
would
have
the
list
of
projects
that
would
go
through.
D
And
what
do
you
guys
think
and
we
would
go
through
it
and
deliberate
and
make
a
recommendation
this
year
when
they
came
to
may
said
instead
of
doing
that
for
each
year,
we're
gonna
do
it
for
five
years
worth
which
we
said.
That's
great.
This
looks
really
good,
but
we
never
went
through
it.
So
the
idea
of
spending
you
know
10
million
dollars
on
the
library,
which
I
guess
that
I'm
thinking
that
we
all
would
have
agreed
to.
I
shouldn't
say
that
that
sounds
like
a
great
plan.
A
H
H
What
was
it
that
you
were
okay
with
the
year
one
but
didn't
deliberate?
The
remaining
four
you,
you
don't
feel
like
the
commission
signed
off
on
the
first
year's
measure,
j
funding
for
the
first
year
of
the
cip,
the
whole
reason
I
I've
kind
of
been
put,
and
you
probably
can
see
where
this
is
coming
from
chair
bernstein
in
my
email,
I'm
like
look.
H
We
can't
even
start
the
five
year
cip
year,
one
yet
I've
I've
been
under
the
impression,
the
whole
time
that
what
you
meant
is
the
remainder
of
the
five
year:
save
pay
not
the
first
year,
because
even
when
I
came
to
this
commission,
I
thought
the
frustration
was
that
the
council,
rather
than
allocating
the
specific
projects,
pooled
the
money,
and
I
thought
once
we
distributed
that
back
to
the
projects
that
we
were
basically
going
back
to
a
measure,
j
recommendation.
No.
I
D
H
So
I
know
for
sure
that
I
made
that
comment
after
count,
because
I
came
in
in
april
right.
So
whatever
happened
in
april
and
may
my
comments
about
holding
off
were
after
the
council
made
their
decision
to
consolidate
the
funding
in
one
place,
and
so
that's
the
point
at
which
I
was
saying.
We
should
wait
for
the
remainder
of
the
cip
until
we
get
that
strategic
direction,
but
I'm
certain
that
I
didn't
make
if
somebody
made
that
comment
before
it
couldn't
have
been
me.
G
G
G
So
a
lot
of
the
measure
g
projects
that
were
not
started,
their
budgets
went
to
zero
and
we
didn't
have
the
joint
meeting,
because
we
didn't
even
know
how
much
measure
j
money
we
were
gonna
have
in
a
society
that
just
shut
down,
and
so
the
commission
really
didn't
have
much
to
do,
because
we
did
this
rolling
budget.
We
didn't
know.
You
know
how
to
rely
on
these
numbers
that
were
coming
in
the
sales
tax
money
turns
out.
G
G
G
Okay,
like
this
five
million
dollars
we
want.
I
think
it
was
5.4
million
dollars.
We
want
it
to
go
towards
facility
projects.
We
intend
to
meet
with
you
measure
j,
to
figure
out
what
facilities
need
some
money,
and
the
caveat
was
that
if
there
were
things
that
are
falling
apart
and
need
to
be
funded,
you
know
do
it
right
away.
But
we
were
intending
to
have
this
joint
meeting
with
measure
j
to
figure
out
which
facilities
to
focus
on
and
so
that
kept
getting
delayed,
delayed
delay.
G
D
Just
jump
ahead,
a
joint
meeting
with
city
council
was
never
to
get
their
policy
direction,
so
we
at
the
beginning
of
each
year.
We
would
have
a
list
of
projects
from
engineering
and
we
would
review
that
and
go
through
and
then,
if
the
city
council
meeting
in
may
when
right
before
they
did
the
budget,
we
would
say
these
are
the
uses
that
we
we
recommend
for
the
measure
j
for
the
following.
D
So
this
is
what
we've
gone
through.
We
did
know
very
quickly
in
2020,
you
know
by
by
august,
when
we
gave
the
you
know,
we
allocated
the
three
and
a
half
million
to
the
park
that
we
were
gonna
start
having
money
coming
in
so
and
we
have
not
met
so
so
they
changed
it
in
the
middle
of
how
they
wanted
the
process
to
work
which,
which
was
great.
We
were
happy
to
have
policy
direction,
but
they've.
Never
given
that
so.
H
So
so
sheriff,
if
you
don't
mind,
let
us
go
back
and
piece
some
things
together
again.
I
I
apologize.
If
I
had
a
misunderstanding,
I
thought
part
of
the
frustration
was
that
council
took
of
the
first
year
of
the
cip
where
dollars
were
allocated
and
consolidated
it
because
and
the
whole
rationale
that
council
gave
was
that
they
didn't
know
how
and
why
measure
j
came
up
with
those
priorities.
H
So
I
was
always
under
the
assumption
that
measure
j
had
signed
off,
at
least
on
that
first
year,
and-
and
I
thought
all
of
the
requests
to
review
the
cip
were
the
rest
of
the
cip,
but
that
that
year
and
it
sounds
like
you
did-
review
it,
and
I
hear
you
saying
it
was
good
but
that
it
fell
short
of
formal
approval.
It
was
not.
D
It
was
just
like,
oh
this,
this
idea
of
a
five-year
plan
looks
good
and
these
kind
of
projects
look
good,
but
you
know,
for
instance,
just
to
give
an
example.
You
know
for
years
we
said
we
should
allocate
some
money
to
the
library
until
they
determine
what
they're
doing
the
cip
then
said.
Okay,
here's
a
more
definitive,
not
just
what
you
have
left
over,
but
here's
two
four
four
whatever
that
number
is.
D
My
recommendation-
and
I
know
commissioners
saw
those
economy
that
we
move
forward
at
the
next.
The
next
meeting
is
still
before
city
council
and
we
are
going
to
go
if
we
deliberate
that
it's
not
really
much
time,
but
we
can
do
those
11
million
dollars
of
projects
and
put
that
that
could
be
the
focus
of
the
next
meeting.
So
at
least
we
have,
we
don't
show
up
at
city
council
when
you're
reviewing
the
budget
and
they
say-
and
we
have
to
be-
we
haven't
said
anything.
H
We
were
planning
on
doing
some
of
the
review
before
the
next
time
you
meet
so
we're
going
to
have
to
reorganize
and
discuss
some
of
this
likely
offline,
as
as
a
team
and
I'm
happy
chair
to
reach
out
to
you
and
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page.
What
I
also
might
suggest
is
similar
to
what
we're
doing
with
council,
which
is
probably
not
presenting
the
whole
thing
or
maybe
not
even
a
full
year,
but
a
subset
of
groups
of
projects
that
we
think
is
more
realistic.
H
That
could
be
started
next
year,
and
maybe
we
bring
that
to
measure
j
and
say:
can
you
look
at
this
and
are
we
on
the
right
track,
or
do
you
disagree
with
any
of
this?
Let
you
deliberate
those,
but
it
might
be
smaller
than
what
was
even
originally
the
whole
list
for
year,
one
because
that
might
still
be
bigger
than
what
we
can
do.
E
Yeah,
I
I
I
just
wanted
to
say.
I
think
this
is
a
really
prime
example
of
engineering
doing
really
great
work.
We
looked
it
over
said.
This
makes
a
ton
of
sense
and
we
were
not
able
to
get
an
agreement
with
council
on
how
to
move
forward,
to
provide
our
recommendations
to
move
forward
on
how
they
compiled
that
information,
so
that
we
can
per
you
know,
formally
deliberate
and
provide
our
own
recommendations.
E
So
I
I
just
want
to
underscore.
We
did
see
the
five-year
cip
we
liked
it
in
concept.
We
did
not
create
any
structure
in
between
commission
and
counsel
on
how
we
were
supposed
to
use
that
document.
That
makes
sense,
that's
helpful,
yeah
and
then,
in
terms
of
you
know
in
may
and
june,
you
know
I
I
I
think.
As
a
commission,
you
know-
and
again
I
just
speak
for
myself
like
we
are
looking
forward
to
providing
input
in
some
way
before
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year.
D
H
Some
of
the
confusion,
I
think
sometimes
what
happens,
is
a
lot
of
times,
city
council,
when
they
say
it
looks
good,
or
this
is
even
a
good
concept.
Sometimes
we
conflate
that
with
this
is
approved,
or
I
shouldn't
say
we
complete
it.
Sometimes
we
get
direction.
Sometimes
we
get
a
vote
right.
So
I'm
not
I'm
not
spec,
I'm
not
going
to
speculate
that
that
did
happen,
but
it's
possible
that
staff
thought
when
when
it
was
presented
and
said,
oh,
this
is
a
good
concept
that
that
meant
bring
it
forward.
F
A
lot
in
my
head,
but
I'll,
keep
it
brief
yeah.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
our
measure
j
is
not
on
some
projects
that
we
have
not
discussed,
I'm
nervous
when
nancy
brought
up
the
fire
tower
or
whatever.
I
know
that
we
did
not
approve
that
or
move
that
forward.
In
particular,
I
mean
we
didn't
have
a
chance
to
even
debate
it,
so
I
just
don't
want
this
is
what
scares
me
about
miscommunication
and
not
being
clear
that
council
could
look
at
something
and
say
well
gee
what
does
measure
j
up
to?
F
F
We
are
supposed
to
look
at
every
project
that
measure
j
funds
are
spent
on
and
they
have
to
be
capital
projects
only.
They
cannot
go
for
staff,
anything
else.
It's
capital
improvements
only
to
the
city.
It
could
be
something
as
boring
as
a
new
roof
on
a
shed
somewhere
or
something
very
sexy
like
a
downtown
park,
but
we
need
to
look
at
those
things
a
lot
of
times.
Council
didn't
even
know
what
we
were
going
to
be
presenting
to
them
annually
and
they
would
look
at
the
list.
That's
coming
from
the
city.
F
D
If
I
could
make
one
last
recommendation
that
we
have
going
forward
with
city
council
is
that
policy
direction
for
measure
j.
I
think
you
are
far
my
opinion.
You
are
far
better
off
as
as
for
staff
and
is
trying
to
manage
this
city.
If
you
recommend
that
we
do
it
the
way
we
did
before,
where
we
take
your
and
engineering's
expertise
and
do
our
assessment
and
understanding
that
we
are
able
to.
D
D
You
know
that
has
happened
in
the
past,
but
they,
if
they're,
not
able
to
communicate
and
meet
and
give
this
policy
direction
which
they
haven't
done.
Then
we
don't.
We
don't
really
need
that
for
most
of
this,
because
we
have
your
expertise
and
engineering's
expertise
and
you
know
better
than
anyone
what
the
city
needs.
We
can
come
through
and
say:
listen.
D
We
want
to
spend
the
in
the
plan,
10
million
dollars
for
the
library,
because
you
think
that's
a
good
idea
and
engineering
thinks
that's
a
good
idea
and
city
council
can
come
back
and
say
we
don't
want
to
buy
a
library.
Let's
forget
it.
Let's
we
don't
want
to.
We
just
want
to
leave
what
we
have
and
let
it
rot.
D
That's
fine,
but
we're
not
going
to
come
they're
not
going
to
come
up
with
something
different
so
that
that's
what
I
would
recommend
that
we
have
their
vision
once
now
and
we
just
and
whether
or
not
you're
going
to
have
a
new
city
council.
Potentially
it
could
change
again.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
try
and
get
them
all
together
to
to
give
a
vision
for
how
to
use
it.
H
I
I
do
think,
that's
what
we
envision.
I
think
that's
consistent
with
what
I
kind
of
described,
of
sharing
notes
with
the
strategic
direction.
That's
exactly
really
what
I
meant
again.
Let
us
go
back.
I
think
it's
pretty
evident
that
some
of
the
staff
team
thought
what
I
thought
that
it
was
kind
of
presented
and
that
we
were
just
differentiating
between
the
first
year
and
the
remaining
years,
which
I
always
anticipated
coming
back.
H
The
whole
reason
that
I've
been
kind
of
delaying
is
because
I
felt
like
I
was
saying
we
haven't
even
gotten
to
the
first
year.
We
don't
need
to
get
to
the
rest
yet,
and
now
I
better
understand
that
that
you
you'd
think
you
never
did
the
first
year
so
so
things
make
a
lot
more
sense.
Now
again,
it
looks
like
I
was
not
the
only
one
with
that
impression.
You're
exactly
right.
City
council
said
we
don't
know
how
measure
j
came
up
with
this.
H
Those
were
their
words,
so
I
probably
took
for
granted
that
you
know
and-
and
it
was
presented
right-
so
it's
not
that
it
wasn't
touched.
It
sounds
like
what
it
really
was
is
a
difference
between
a
cursory
review
and
what
you
would
consider
deliberation
and
approval,
and
that
is
a
meaningful
difference.
But
but
it
sounds
like
we
were
not
exactly
on
the
same
page
since
then
about
what
was
done
and
what
was
not
was
and
what
wasn't
so.
H
I'm
gonna
go
back
and
look
at
it
for
my
own
edification,
but
the
bottom
line
is
the
deviation
that
now
I
see
what
you
see,
we
were
never
trying
to
take
that
away.
We
thought
that
one
year
was
done
and
we
were
waiting
to
do
years,
two
through
four
or
five,
because
we
weren't
even
ready
to
get
to
it
right.
So
I
was
trying
to
buy
time,
and
now
I
understand
better
that
you
feel
like
you,
never
did
the
first
stone
which.
D
The
other
result
is,
you
have
a
whole
list
of
whole
brand
new
projects
that
are,
on
top
of
the
whole
ready
workload
which
we
focused
on
the
last
few
months,
because
because
we
had
no
plan-
and
that's
that's
the
other
reason
why
we
took
some
of
those
and
moved
them
to
the
regular
measure
j
fund,
so
that
when
eventually
there
was
this
list
from
engineering
that
said,
here's
all
the
projects.
What
do
you
think
we
should
do
next
year?
Those
would
be
on
that
list.
H
We
will,
I,
I
assure
you
we
will
get
this
cleaned
up
and
straight.
Our
intention
is
to
preserve
the
basic
cycle
that
you
have
described.
Where
we
share
notes,
you
make
recommendations
and
the
recommendations
go
to
council.
I
don't
anticipate
any
of
that
changing.
So
thank
you
for
your
patience.
I
apologize
for
the
frustration
that's
kind
of
accrued.
G
G
D
Just
a
suggestion,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
I
think
it
would
also
be
helpful,
though,
if
we
included
the
first
year
of
the
five-year
cip,
so
that
if
city
council
comes
back
and
says
mr
j,
what
do
you
think
we
don't
come
back
and
say
we
have?
No,
we
haven't
discussed
it,
yet
we
can
at
least
have
a
first
year,
and
my
I
suspect,
normally
we
do
spend
several
months
on
this.
A
Yeah,
so
the
the
cap
that
I
was
building
really
did
that
already
went
back
to
year,
one
because
those
projects
essentially
were
zeroed
out
and
brought
them
forward
again,
so
that
list
sort
of
exists
already
and
I
may
have
had
one
or
two
that
would
be
new
to
the
commission-
to
look
going
back
to
the
original
conversation
that
the
city
manager
has
our
capacity
is
limited.
So
introducing
more
projects
from
that
that
list
that
was
generated
may
not
be
feasible.
A
I
think,
and
then
that-
and
I
don't
think
that's
what
just
justin
was
recommending.
We
want
to
also
pair
that
list
that
I
have
created
down
to
something
that's
attainable
in
year,
one
things
that
can
be
done,
maybe
in
the
first
year
and
the
second
year.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
work
on
this.
Revise
it
and
it'll
be
something
that
the
commission
can
review
in
the
next
meeting.
H
H
D
B
H
Yeah
and
again,
to
clarify
too
one
we're
going
to
go,
look
at
the
meetings
and
try
to
get
a
clearer
understanding
of
what
was
discussed
and
where
the
ambiguity
came
from
or
the
misunderstanding,
but
but
we
will
close
the
loop
on
bringing
the
first
year
of
cip
projects
back
along
with
whatever
other
lists
of
projects.
You've
discussed
to
get
your
priorities
from
those
lists.
H
D
And,
and
what
I
would
suggest
is
if
we
could
look
at
if
we
can
find
some
documents
from
2019
from
may
and
you'll
see
exactly
how
measure
j
would
submit
to
city
council
before
our
joint
meeting,
and
that
would
be
the
one
that
that's
really.
I
think
it
was
me
right.
That
would
be
the
one
that
would
be
the
one
to
look
at
because
and
and
and
commissioner
vazon
was
chair
at
the
time,
so
he
can
also
clarify
a
lot.
But
at
that
point
we
would
all
sit
and
check.
D
You
know
we'd
be
at
the
city
council
meeting
and
he
would
present
it.
They
would
ask
him
questions,
they
would
go
back
and
forth
and
and
that
point
we
had
gone
through.
You
know
it's
been
six
months.
We
had
10
or
12
projects.
I
can't
remember
what
it
was
and
they
said.
Yes,
we
approve
this
is
going
through
the
budget
and
we
had
already
vetted
it
through
engineering
and
staff,
and
and
all
of
that
I
mean
obviously
things
you
know
we
took
some
things
end
up
changing,
but
that's
what
that
was.
D
B
D
B
D
We
want
you
to.
We
want
engineering
to
weigh
in
just
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
allocating
a
million
dollars
for
a
project,
that's
really
a
10
million
dollar
project
or
that
will
never
get
done
or
just
was
not
feasible.
That
was
the
only
reason.
The
difference
was
certain
things
like
the
plaza
theater
engineering
has
no
input.
That
needs
to
be
done
from
in
relation
to
our
specific,
in
relation
to
our
specific
recommendation,
obviously,
with
the
whole
project
they
do,
but
we're
not
asking
for
that.