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From YouTube: Measure J Commission | Oct 20 2022
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Regular Meeting of the Measure J Oversight Commission, held October 20th, 2022
A
B
Let's
just
Vice
chair
Robin:
did
you
want
to
give
chair
Soto
a
couple
of
minutes.
B
We
commissioner
Craig,
is
not
here
yet,
but
I
don't
think
he's
attending
today,
so
we
can
get
started.
Wonderful.
G
A
B
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Everyone
I
think
it'll
look
things
out
of
order,
but
thank
everyone
for
being
here.
It
is
October
20th
we're
going
to
call
this
meeting
to
order.
It's
5
32.,
so
we're
gonna
show
I
definitely
did
things
out
of
order.
Sorry
Evelyn!
So
we're
going
to
do
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
next,
commissioner
burn
senior
already.
Do
you
want
to
lead
us
off.
F
A
F
Thank
you
so
next
on
the
agenda,
we
have
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda
measure.
J
commission
will
discuss
the
order
of
the
agenda
and
may
amend
the
order
and
add
items
and
may
remove
items.
F
F
You,
commissioner,
gazan
we
have
a
motion
by
chair
or
we
have
a
motion
by
commissioner
footer.
We
have
a
second
by
commissioner,
gazan
all
in
favor,
say
aye
aye,
any
opposed.
F
F
Did
get
a
really
nice
letter
from
The
Palms,
pink
Unified,
School
District
that
Evelyn
shared
with
us
earlier
in
the
week,
which
I
think
is
like
a
really
nice
reflection
of
engaging
with
the
community
engaging
with
new
partners
in
new
ways?
F
And
you
know
I
think
it's
just
it's
such
a
good
first
step
in
terms
of
our
community
initiative
projects
and
as
an
outside
organization,
they're
able
to
move
a
lot
quicker
right
with
the
funds
that
they
receive,
but
we're
gonna
hopefully
be
receiving
more
feedback
on
those
types
of
projects,
as
other
projects
are
developed.
So
I'm
really
excited
for
that.
C
Oh
I
just
mentioned
also
on
the
that
myself
is
having
the
opening.
F
E
F
Okay,
two
Nancy's,
not
a
public
comment
great,
so
that
moves
us
to
welcome
comments.
So
just
yeah
thanks
for
your
patience,
we're
it's
a
transition
time
for
me,
but
I
think
we're
really
looking
forward
to
just
continuing
the
work
that
chair
Bernstein,
established
of
a
lot
of
transparency,
a
lot
of
process,
clarifications
and
learning
from
kind
of
this
post-covet
world.
F
So
if
there's
any
other
feedback,
I'd
definitely
welcome
it,
be
either
email
or
when
we
have
General
discussion
too,
so
that
moves
us
to
new
business
for
the
measure,
J
update
an
adopted
measure,
J
Community
initiated
projects,
I'm
Joel
I'm
guessing
that
might
be
you.
B
The
phone?
Yes
Nancy,
if
you
wouldn't
mind
on
muting
I'm,
muting
yourself,.
E
F
J
We
changed
the
I
know:
Nancy
changed
a
little
bit
the
formatting.
We
think
it
flows
a
little
bit
better
and
it
kind
of
gives
the
whole
picture
of
of
all
the
funding
for
all
the
measure.
J
projects
I
think
she's
trying
to
connect,
but
we'll
I'll
go
ahead
and
start
and
if
she
is
able
to
connect
the
audio
she'll
Jump
Right
In.
J
So
this
is
what
what
it
looks
like
now
and
what
we
did
is
we
added
fund
balance
to
this
and
just
instead
of
just
looking
at
expenses
in
Revenue,
because
we
know
that
in
the
first
year
this
year,
fiscal
year,
23
we're
going
to
be
dipping
into
that
fund
balance,
and
you
can
see
it's
quite
large
at
16.2
million,
which
is
the
number
under
the
adopted
budget.
2022
2023.
J
So
that's
where
we're
starting
out
this
year
is
that
16.2
million
dollars
we're
expecting
about
20.3
in
Revenue,
but
you'll
see
at
the
bottom
of
the
page
that
we're
already
down
from
budget
and
we're
kind
of
seeing
that
across
the
board
through
the
city
as
well,
that
we're
kind
of
down
so
we'll
we'll
we'll
just
hope
that
it
plays
out
better
as
we
get
through
the
year.
We
have
our
typical
expenses
for
Street
repairs
at
six
million
dollars
budgeted
for
this
year.
J
The
community
projects
budgets
at
3
million
and
I
know
there's
some
available
money
left
in
that
budget
for
more
projects,
but
right
now
it's
at
3
million,
and
then
we
have
our
airport
reserved
for
200
000.
So
that's
9.2
million
dollars
in
multi-year
projects.
Other
expenses
we
have
our
debt
service
expense
at
3.2
million
dollars,
and
then
we
have
the
downtown
Property,
Maintenance
and
other
expenses.
So
this
I
think
this
is
made
up
of
three
projects.
J
If
I
remember
correctly,
one
is
the
500
000
for
the
myzel
kitchen,
which
we
have
already
sent
them,
and
then
it's
I
think
there's
a
Sewer
Lateral
in
play
here
and
and
Joel
can
maybe
tell
a
little
bit
more
I.
Think
that's
about.
J
Oh
gosh
I
can't
remember
the
number
on
that
and
then
there
is
Nancy's
calling
me
and
then
there
is
some
money
for
Security
Guard
Services
downtown.
So
that
makes
up
the
1.1
million
under
downtown
Property
Maintenance.
We
have
transfers
out
that
we
budgeted
this
year
that
were
approved
by
the
commission
of
two
million
dollars
that
consists
of
the
one
million
dollars.
J
That's
going
for
the
Police
radios,
we're
going
to
transfer
that
money
out
to
the
capital
projects
fund
and
that
will
be
used
and
we'll
make
the
full
three
million
dollar
payment
out
of
the
capital
projects
fund.
But
the
contribution
that
measure
J
has
approved
is
one
million.
J
The
other
one
million
dollars
is
approved
for
the
Plaza
theater
and
I
know
that
when
we
approved
when
the
commission
approved
that
amount
that
they
wanted,
the
funding
the
one
million
dollars
to
be
the
last
remaining
funding
and
so
I'm,
not
sure
where
the
Plaza
theater
is
and
their
total
Capital
campaign.
J
But
there
is
one
million
dollars
here
that
measure
J
can
contribute
the
other
money,
17.4
million
dollars
that
you
see
that's
the
remaining
amount
of
money
after
the
9.2
million
dollars,
above
in
the
multi-year
projects
for
other
capital
projects
that
the
commission
approved
so
total
expenditures
this
year,
32
million-
and
you
see
that's
why
we
brought
in
the
fund
balances
because
we
knew
we
were
going
to
dip
into
that
this
year
and,
of
course,
that
17
million
probably
will
not
all
get
spent
this
year
unless
Joel
Works
seven
days
a
week
and
and
24
hours
a
day.
J
But
so
there's
probably
going
to
be
some
carryover.
But
we're
going
to
end
up
this
year.
We
plan
to
end
up
this
year
with
about
3.7
million,
and
you
can
see
what
we've
done
in
the
schedule
is
at
the
top
for
23
24.
We've
carried
that
3.7
million
dollars
forward
to
begin
the
next
year
with,
and
then
you
can
see
what
we've
done.
Also
as
far
as
predicting
Revenue,
we
have
just
kind
of
budgeted
a
two
percent
increase,
very
small,
very
conservative
increase
for
revenue
for
the
remaining
four
years
of
the
schedule.
J
All
of
the
street
repairs
Community
projects.
Airport
Reserve,
is
all
pretty
typical
amounts.
Hi,
oh
she's,
on
okay.
You
want
me
to
continue.
Do
you
want
me?
Does
she
want
me
to
continue
okay
and
then,
of
course,
Debt
Service
continues
out
for
the
next
four
years,
and
the
remaining
Capital
project,
expense,
I,
believe
and
Nancy
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
believe
the
the
commission
just
approved
the
first
year
of
these
projects,
and
so
what
we've
done
is
we've
added.
J
I
J
So
you
can
see,
as
we
go
out
the
year,
that
we
we
do
go
negative
on
our
fund
balance,
but
we
do
make
that
up
in
year
five,
so
you
always
kind
of
have
to
watch
and
be
careful.
I
I
believe
that
Joel
has
said
and
I'll
just
reiterate,
and
you
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
that
you
know
a
lot
of
these
projects
haven't
been
vetted
yet
and
once
they
become
vetted
I
think
that
we're
seeing
that
there
is
an
increase
in
their
costs.
J
So
once
we
get
out
to
five
years-
and
we
have
some
of
these
projects
that
go-
that
long-
we're
I'm
just
going
to
say
that
I'm
not
sure
that
you
know
what
is
in
this
budget
is
going
to
be
actual.
So
just
a
caveat
for
everybody
here,
and
the
last
thing
we'll
look
at
is
the
revenue
for
22.23
right
now,
as
of
today,
is
1.54
million
last
year.
At
this
point
in
time
it
was
1.82
Million,
so
we're
down
comparative
to
this
time
last
year
of
about
16
percent
or
280
000.
J
So
we
got
a
little
bit
of
making
up
to
do.
Let's
hope
we
can
get
that
done
and
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
try
to
answer
any
questions
that
any
of
the
commission
has.
K
A
couple
of
things
I
wanted
to
show
you
the
other.
The
measure
date
initiative,
Project
screen.
First,
so
can
we
go
into
that
real,
quick.
K
We
go
so
I
want
to
show
you
first.
This
is
the
you
were
awarded
three
million
dollars
this
year
for
an
adopted
budget.
We
have
issued
checks
for
number
13,
14
and
15..
They
requested
it.
They
followed,
they
had
to
complete
a
contract,
send
us
an
invoice
and
then
we
issued
the
checks.
So
basically
after
we
tallied
up
what
would
you
approved
as
a
commission,
you
have
a
remaining
amount
of
818
525
available
for
spending
this
year.
K
So
now
you
go
back
to
the
next
page.
So
that's
what
you
have
to
decide
on
when
the
timing
is
right,
so
you'll
see
that
I
included
an
adopted
budget
2023.,
that's
what
was
adopted
and
that's
what
we
hope
to
spend
I
did
put
what
we
actually
spent
because
we're
probably
going
to
spend
the
whole
amount.
So
that's
basically
just
the
adopted
budget
and
it's
good
to
look
at
the
fund
balances
I'm,
not
sure
who
set
up
the
spreadsheet
initially.
C
So
a
couple
things
is
that
I
believe
that
myself
we
had
taken
out
of
the
regular
measure
J
and
not
a
community
initiated.
So
if
we
go
back
to
what
we
did
in
June,
that
was
nothing.
I
Pretty
sure
yeah
we
can
go
back
and
review
it.
I
think
I
think
the
commission
is
correct.
I,
don't
I!
Think
the
the
maisel
kitchen
was
a
separate
item
all
together,
but
we
can
look
at
it
and
compare
so
yeah.
Essentially,
if
you
go
back
to
the
the
actual
spreadsheet
that
that
we
had
earlier
so
so,
if,
if
that's
a
true
statement,
500
000,
then
you
just
raise
800
000
by
500,
000.,
yeah
I'm,
pretty
sure,
because
right
in
the
money,
the
500
000
just
comes
out
of
the
regular
game.
C
We
had
said
that
we
didn't
want
to
have
such
large
single
sums
out
of
measure
J
and
we've
been
working
under
the
assumption
that
we
still
had
1.3
to
1.4
for
the
parts
which
I
think
is
also
mentioned
in
the
agenda,
and
then
the
the
other
comment
I
was
just
going
to
make
is
that
the
road
map
and
I
think
Jim
had
outlined
this
for
sure.
This
last
time
is
that
this
now
next
nine
months
is
spent
working
towards
making
sure
we
have
recommendations
that
are
in
line
with
that
14.3
million.
C
So
even
though
it's
already
on
your
second
year
as
your
Capital
project,
I
think
we
have
to
go
in
and
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
measure
J
can
go
in
and
recommend
expenses
more
than
anticipated.
Revenue
I,
don't
know
that
it's
ever
been
done,
and
commissioner
Kazan,
maybe
even
for
Marshall
Maybe
chime
in
but
I
I.
Think
we
make
sure
today
has
always
gone
in
and
made
recommendations
equally
exactly
or
less
than
what
the
projected
budget
is.
G
C
No
I'm
just
saying
I
I,
think
that
is
I,
think
that
is
I
I
was
talking
to
commissioner
gazana
Marshall
I,
think
that
is
what
will
happen
is
in
May
or
when
June.
When
the
commission
makes
recommendations
to
council,
it
would
be
a
little
bit
odd
if
it
were
more
than
it
would
be
unusual
if
it
were
more
than
the
anticipated
Revenue.
C
K
As
we
know
the
projections
we
always
project,
what
we
project
and
they
always
come
in
higher,
so
we'll
keep
an
eye
on
that
particle
one
out
further.
So
if
we
end
this
fiscal
22
23
and
we're
lower
than
the
2020
million,
then
we're
going
to
have
to
adjust
the
five-year
CIP
project,
but
as
of
today,
this
is
what
we're
projecting
the
revenues
and
that's
what
Joel
has
in
this
five
year.
K
Capital
project.
That's.
C
Not
exactly
I
mean
it's
sort
of
what
I'm
saying,
but
it's
also
that,
as
of
the
before
the
budgets
approved
next
June
measure,
J
has
to
make
recommendations
as
to
the
recommendations
for
the
measure,
J
funds
and
that's
what
normally
this
road
map
is,
is
going
through
the
year.
Looking
at
what
is
in
that
second
year
CRP
and
seeing
up
our
recommendations
are
in
sync,
with
what
engineering
has
and
and
then
prioritizing,
and
as
we
get
closer
to
the
to
to
the
mayor
June
time
frame.
I
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement.
That's
the
way
it's
going
to
happen
right,
I,
don't
think
this.
This
is
just
a
snapshot
of
today
projecting
to
the
Future
basis.
Okay,
all
decisions
that
we
made,
you
know
to
create
the
person,
so
the
real
numbers
that
are
important
here
are
22
23..
Everything
else
is
just
a
projection
based
on
what
projector
we're
gonna
get
and
I
think
we
were
asked
to
do
that
in
several
meetings
ago
to
kind
of
project
five
years.
This
is
what
Nazi,
I
think
interpreted:
directions
from
the
commission.
I
I
Real
quick
snapshot
in
an
attempt
to
to
see
the
future,
which
it's
just
you
know
we
can't
and
we're
going
to
adjust
as
necessary,
moving
forward.
Okay,
sorry.
K
We
just
we
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we're
where
do
I
get
my
Revenue
strap
from
the
consulted
sales
tax
consultant,
and
where
did
you
get
your
you
know,
project
numbers
from
well,
those
are
for
this
five
five
years
CIP.
So
we
have
reference
to
go
back
to.
We
know
the
numbers
will
change,
but
this
is
as
of
today.
If
we
get
the
revenues
we
got
and
what's
in
Joel's
five-year
Capital
project.
D
Yeah
two
two
quick
questions.
First,
one
is
information
on
the
page.
The
one
million
dollar
contingency
line
item
that's
described
in
the
road
map
is
that
outside
of
this
sheet,
Nancy
or
Chris.
K
If
there's
a
million
dollar
contingency
in
Joel's
capital
projects,
it
is
included
in
there.
It's.
D
Already
here,
okay,
second
for
more
thought,
a
more
thoughtful
consideration
from
Nancy
and
Chris
the
called
the
bad
news
of
a
15
dip.
How
do
you?
How
do
you
look
at
that
for
the
balance
of
the
year?
Is
it
anything?
Is
there
anything
more
to
add
to
that
other
than
to
present
how
things
look
today.
K
But
other
commissions
that
I
serve
on
is
that
we're
seeing
a
back
to
pre-covet
numbers.
Now
the
economy
is
starting
to
slow
down,
there's
not
as
much
sales
tax.
Our
toots
dipping
so
I
monitored
this
on
a
monthly
basis
and
knowing
that
we,
the
sales
tax,
is
three
months
behind
collections.
So
basically
this
is
really
June.
Is
it
June
or
July's?
Oh,
this
is
July
I,
believe
sales
tax
done
because
you're
always
true,
but
so
this
is
the
first
one
we've
received
of
the
fiscal
year.
If
you
will
without
accruing
it
back.
C
K
F
Yeah
and
just
a
couple
of
okay,
I
really
appreciate
seeing
the
beginning
fund
balance
I
think
that's
going
to
be
helpful
for
us
to
be
referring
to
and
I
do
like.
F
I
like
the
way
these
are
kind
of
broken
out
in
terms
of
our
proposed
continuing
Appropriations
across
the
five
years,
and
we
also
know
because
of
all
the
economics
downturn
and
still
supply
chain
issues
all
over
our
projects.
The
timelines
are
going
to
be
affected
as
well,
so
I
think.
There's
multiple
points
so
we're
gonna
have
to
see
when
those
funds
are
when
those
expenditures
are
actually
going
to
be
used
and
multiple
points.
Things
are
going
to
be
moving
so,
but
it's
really
helpful
to
have
it
five
year
out.
F
So
thank
you
for
providing
that
any
other
questions
for
Nancy
or
Chris.
K
Can
I
add
one
more
thing,
so
if
you
notice,
if
you
go
to
your
you're,
an
audited,
we're
almost
done
with
the
audit
this
time
we're
really
close
this
year.
So
if
you
notice
the
last
line,
say
continuing
Appropriations
yeah.
A
A
C
Does
that
earn
interest?
I'm
sorry
does
that
earn
any
interest.
K
Oh
absolutely,
our
the
city's
cash
was
all
pulled
together
and
we
used
Chandler
Asset,
Management,
Services
Consultants
and
one
of
the
one
of
the
top
investors
in
California.
So
we
meet
with
them
weekly
and
go
over
all
types
of
different
Investments.
F
Great
that's
great
I
did
have
a
question
Nancy
around
the
community
initiated
projects
right
now,
they're
set
at
their
original
numbers
of
three
million
for
the
past
three
years
and
then
a
million
out
do
we
have
an
update
as
to
if
slash
when
council
is
going
to
be
reconsidering
that
allocation.
F
Yeah,
it's
just
a
little
tricky
to
wait
until
the
spring,
because
it'll
determine
if
and
how
we
get
proposals
from
the
community
right
when.
B
We
had
proposals
in
December,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
we
opened
that
back
up
and
when
we
you
set
the
deadline.
D
Yeah
because
there's
still
really
tied
together,
the
the
magnitude
of
the
community,
whether
it's
one
or
one
or
something
other,
and
the
the
direction
and
comments
from
Council
on
prioritizing
bigger
numbers
for
parks
and
other
priorities.
It's
yeah,
the
the
the
valve,
is
opened
up
with
intention,
but
there's
no
corresponding
line
item.
That
says
we
have
more
money
to
keep
up
with
those
intentions.
F
Yeah
and
then
there's
one
thing,
I
would
add
to
that
too.
Before
Joel,
if
you
want
to
respond,
is
you
know
there
were
projects
that
didn't
get
funded
or
didn't
get
considered
and
so
it'll
just
deter
the
allocation
will
determine
if
and
how
and
when
we
just
open
up
Community
initiative
projects,
it
might
be
if
it
stays
at
a
million.
The
commission
may
want
to
just
have
it
like
another
read
through
of
last
year's
application,
or
people
want
to
reapply
and
kind
of
review
their.
F
You
know
resubmit
it
to
be
stronger
or
whatever
it
might
be,
but
there's
just
still
a
lot
of
projects
that
weren't
funded,
and
so,
if
it's
still
small,
it
might
not
make
so
much
sense
to
do
a
big
Outreach
effort
come
this
fall
so.
F
A
slight
direction
of
whether
or
not
it's
something
we
should
pursue
would
be
helpful.
H
F
I
But
I
mean
just
going
through
this
last
year's
budget.
Did
the
commission
think
that
it's
going
to
be
the
decision
is
not
going
to
be
made
until
we
go
back
before
Council
again
presenting
our
budgets?
I.
Don't
know
that
and
anybody
if
I'm
wrong,
is
there's
going
to
be
an
opportunity
between
now
and
we
started
working
for
our
Council
in
our
budgets
to
change
that
number.
They
did
I
think
I
heard
they
did
try.
They
did
say
that
they
wanted
to
do
it,
but
what
would
be
the
opportunity
to
take
it?
I
A
C
F
A
F
F
Any
other
questions
around
the
budget
or
Community
initiated
projects
we've
been
on
this
for
a
bit:
no
okay.
So
let's
move
on
to
agenda
item
2B
Capital
Improvement
project
update
Joel.
Can
you
illuminate
us.
I
So
really
the
the
I
was
taking
the
opportunity
to
just
kind
of
show
the
commission
which
projects
were
completed
in
the
last
three
years,
just
to
get
a
snapshot
and
everybody
can
see
where
we're
at
and
what
we've
been
doing
the
last
three
years,
but
more
more
importantly,
I
want
to
take
the
opportunity
to
to
ask
for
additional
funding
and
to
tell
the
commission
that
they
for
the
14
Community
initiative
projects,
you
know
13
or
12
of
them
haven't
been
vetted
and
the
Very
this
one
that
I'm
bringing
forward
it
will
show
that
there
is
a
significant
amount
of
cost
increase
based
on
just
what's
going
on
in
the
market
right
now,
so
we're
not
able
to
determine
the
true
cost
of
our
project.
I
So
the
very
first
project
that
I
want
to
talk
about
is
the
annual
pavement
Rehabilitation.
So
it's
really
a
we
put
out
our
project
out
to
bid.
We
got
three
proposals.
I
Our
initial
estimate,
based
on
all
the
experience
we've
had
and
the
person
that
put
the
project
together,
had
been
here
20
years
and
have
done
most
of
our
Paving
projects
and
using
all
the
information
he
had
available,
he
created
what
we
believe
to
be
a
six
million
dollar
project,
a
little
bit
shy
of
6
million
in
his
estimate
right
when
we
put
it
out
to
bid
when
you
can
see
in
this,
the
three
bidders
were
basically
seven
million
and
above
or
approximately
7
million,
and
the
two
of
them
were
very
close
together.
I
So
when
two
bidders
like
this
are
so
close
together
within
thirty
thousand
dollars
of
a
seven,
a
six
million
dollar
project,
we
know
that
the
numbers
are
pretty
accurate.
This
is
the
number
that
well
we
thought
of
six
million
dollar
project
would
be
so
it's
truly
one
million
dollar,
more
additional
a
million
dollars.
So
what
I'm
asking
today
is
for
the
commission
to
allocate
an
additional
1.4
million
dollars
to
continue
you
on
with
this
project
and
award
it.
The
one
issue
that
I
had
is
that
we
needed
to
post
our
agenda
today.
I
So
I
wrote
a
staff
report
saying
that
I'm
bringing
this
request
before
the
commission
today
to
see
if
we
can
get
it
approved
and
if
the
request
is
not
approved,
then
I
will
pull
the
agenda
item
and
then
move
forward
with
either
the
the
the
I'll
have
to
reject
all
the
bids
and
go
out
to
bid
again
and
basically
slash
the
project,
bring
it
down
to
towards
the
money
that
was
originally
allocated
by
the
commission.
So
that's
sort
of
what
I'm
asking
and
I'm
open
to
answer
any
questions.
D
I
have
a
question
not
so
much
on
the
project
specifically,
but
on
the
on
the
funding
source,
and
this
is
why
I
asked
the
question
earlier
about
the
one
million
dollar
contingency.
If
is
there
any
special
administrative
hurdle
to
go
through
to
tap
that
contingency,
or
is
it
treated
as
available
funds
within
the
commission's
budget
so
that
if
we,
if
we
were
to
say
as
a
body
tap
that
one
million
dollar
contingency
as
one
source
and
the
balance
of
that
1.4
would
be
the
400
000?
D
That
would
be
a
smaller
number
funded
from
this.
The
standard
proceeds
from
measure
J.
Does
that
make
sense
right,
I,
don't
Nancy.
I
I,
don't
know
if
you
you
are
following
what
their
commissioner
Robin
is
asking
that
in
in
the
I
guess,
guidelines
for
the
budgetary
commission
there's
a
statement
that
says
that
we
should
have
a
1
million
set
aside
every
year.
Yeah
it's
been
being
tracked
or
it
is
tracked,
or
it's
even
accounted
for
in
as
a
one
million
dollar
contingency,
so
I
I
think
this
is
the
first
time
I
kind
of
looked
at
that
or
even
saw
it
coming
to
play.
So
I
really
am
not
prepared
to
answer
that
question
and
I.
K
K
So,
even
if
we
had
a
contingency,
we
would
probably
keep
it
as
a
reserve
in
the
ending
fund
balance.
So
even
if
we
said
reserve
a
million
dollars
each
year
for
projects,
it
would
still
be
part
of
that
fund
balance.
It
would
be.
This
would
be
reduced
by
1
million
and
your
ending
time
balance
would
be
2.730.
D
Okay,
so
even
in
other
words,
the
a
hypothetical
one
million
dollar
contingency
is
the
last
million
dollars
that
gets
drawn
from
available
funds
correct.
It
can't
be
it
can't
that
hypothetic
wouldn't
be
tapped
to
support
a
contingency
on
a
line
item
project.
K
D
I
One
of
the
things
that
I
did
want
to
get
across
and
I
know
Commissioner
versus
have
a
question.
Is
that
this
isn't
just
a
one
project
problem.
This
is
across
the
board
every
single
project
we're
going
to
bring
forward
moving
forward
based
on
estimates,
because
we
budget
based
on
estimates,
but
we
think
projects
are
going
to
cost
right
and
we
do
that.
You
know
a
long
time
ago.
We
created
these
projects.
We
assume
this
is
a
cost
and
once
you
get
it
awarded,
we
go
to
the
budget
cycle.
We
come
back
and
we
project.
A
D
Get
I
get
that
loud
and
clear
this.
This
is
this:
is
the
single
largest
line
item
as
a
project,
and
it's
right,
so
it's
having
the
most
dramatic
impact,
even
though
it's
probably
a
50
problem
across
the
board,
or
something
like
that.
C
So
yeah,
so
thank
you
so
I
have
two
questions
for
maybe
when
we
should
or
suggestions.
Maybe
when
we
do
our
recommendations
for
next
year,
we
actually
build
into
each
estimate
a
contingency
so
that
we
don't
end
up
not
having
enough
money
to
do
the
things
we
approve.
C
That's
one
thing
and
then
the
second
thing
is
and
I
don't
know.
If
there's
a
way
to
do
this,
but
with
the
streets,
obviously
there's
I
mean
there's
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
worth
of
Street
repairs
that
we
need
done
and
we
sort
of
went
by
amount
and
said
we
want.
We
used
to
do
three
million.
Now
we
want
to
do
6
million
and
I
guess,
there's
no
way
to
say
to
people
like
what
can
you
do
for
six
million
or
it
seems
a
little
silly,
but
we
only
wanted
to
spend
6
million
this
year.
I
I
The
reality
of
it
is
that
the
prices
are
so
outrageous
right
now
that
this
is
what
we
believe
to
be
a
little
bit
in
the
past
council
is
asking
or
in
the
budget.
Would
they
want
us
to
spend
more
money
on
on
Paving,
but
the
reality
is
a
five
million
dollar
project
or
what
would
have
been
a
5.5
million
is
really
a
seven
million
dollar
project.
So
it's
the
cost
of
construction
and
the
cost
of
the
materials
that
is
making
it
a
seven
million
dollar
project
which
is
well.
I
It
should
have
been
a
six
million
and
you
and
we
can-
we
can
limit
it,
but
unfortunately,
what
it's
going
to
do
to
me
is
I'm
going
to
have
to
reject
all
the
bids
revise
my
bid
schedule,
send
it
back
out
and
then
hope
that
the
prices
are
going
to
come
in.
You
know
cheaper
and
they
may
not.
The
smaller
project
may
come
even
higher
because
it's
a.
E
Commissioner,
fletter
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
things
in
the
city
that
absolutely
is
important.
People
are
irate,
they
want
their
streets
repaired
and
it's
a
visible
project.
I
would
support
going
with
this
this
year
and
maybe
taking
a
look
from
next
year
how
to
not
have
as
many
streets
Joel
I
mean
you're
kind
of
committed
to
your
road
map
there
with
what's
on
Deck
to
do
am
I
right.
I
It
is
our
projection
every
year
and
yeah.
This
is
the
question.
Why
not
my
street,
you
know
hundreds
of
times,
I
know
throughout
the
year
yeah.
This
is
our
my
road
map
and
we're
doing
we're
going
out
and
and
we're
doing
another
study
to
make
sure
that
we're
staying
on
top
of
what
the
values
are
or
the
payment
condition
indexes.
So.
A
I
E
An
enormous
amount
of
money
and
expect
the
city
they
want.
Those
rates
done-
and
you
know
having
our
street
done-
was
really
a
gift
for
a
lot
of
reason,
so
I
think,
because
it's
already
out
there,
you
know
it's
going
to
be
more.
That's
the
economy,
but
going
forward.
Maybe
the
direction
for
you
would
be
make
it
a
smaller
project
that
we
can
anticipate
this
kind
of
increase
that
that's
my
personal
opinion
about
that.
F
Yeah
I
I
just
want
to
chime
in
here.
If
time
wasn't
of
the
essence,
and
we
didn't
want
to
lose
these
bids,
I
personally
would
be
wanting
to
scale
back,
because
we've
had
already
doubled
the
allocation
and
to
throw
an
additional
1.4
is
the
significant
increase
from
last
year
for
Street
Paving,
but
I
recognize
the
the
time
crunch
here
and
Joel,
but
I
do
think
that's
something
we
should
be
thinking
about
not
just
for
next
year,
but
for
every
project.
F
You
know
I'm
thinking,
maybe
even
for
the
shade
sectors
or
you
know,
being
as
comprehensive
as
we
can
doing
fewer
projects,
but
really
well
done,
rather
than
trying
to
maybe
complete
our
original
Vision.
When
we
first
approve
some
of
these.
F
I
mean
I
I,
hear
you
on
on
the
street
Paving
that
people
want
it
and
that's
true,
but
I
hear
I,
so
many
comments
about
parks
and
other
community
infrastructure,
and
so
it's
hard
to
not
have
that
same
consideration.
I
guess
for
all
the
other
projects.
The
other
thing
I
would
just
underscore
is.
This
makes
me
appreciate
even
more
Joel,
your
like
priority
rankings
that
you
shared
last
month
and
making
sure
that
we're
making
these
decisions
based
off
of
the
projects
that
are
moving
as
quickly
as
possible
and
are
most
needed.
I
I
Project
I
have
before
work,
there's
already
a
contingency
built
in
and
just
the
the
costs
are
are
just
outrageous
right
now
and
you
know,
I
would
have
to
build
in
a
30
40
contingency
every
project
and
that's
not
realistic
either.
So
it's
it's
kind
of
a
game
we're
trying
to
play,
but
we're
not
catching
up.
F
Can
can
we
talk
about
the
next
project
as
well
before
we're
making
you.
I
Guys
yeah,
if
you
go
down
the
next
project,
is
essentially
what
I've
been
asked
to
do.
Right
is
create,
go
and
do
Park
projects,
and
we
are
I
mean
in
the
background,
we're
working
on
a
lot
of
our
projects.
They
haven't
been
forgotten,
they're,
actually,
a
high
priority
for
us
we're
working
on
a
multitude
of
Park
projects,
the
one
that's
been,
you
know
kind
of
repeated
over
and
over
again
if
they
want
shade,
shade
and
shade
structures
over
playground
equipment.
I
So
we
did,
we
started
looking
at
it,
so
we
got
with
our
vendors
and
we
were
going
to.
We
have
some
cdbg
money
to
build
the
sheet
structures
over
our
playgrounds
in
the
Muse
Park.
We
had
essentially
186
000
for
baristo,
95
000,
and
then
this
goes
to
the
community
initiator
projects
and
how
we
have
to
really
vet
every
single
project.
Somebody
put
down
58
000
for
Victoria
Park.
I
The
reality
is
for
Victoria
Park
to
put
the
state
structures
over
the
playground
equipment
as
required
or
as
the
end
I
was
directed
to
do
it's
going
to
be
470
000,
almost
480
or
Barista
Park
is
200
000
and
where
demise
Park
is
385
000.,
so
the
reality
is
that
we're
severely
underfunded
to
put
in
stage
structure
a
lot
of
money
to
do
it.
I
One
of
the
things
that
I
want
to
note
is
that
we
we
have
been
using
a
vendor
that
that
is
basically
a
sourceful
vendor
that
has
a
government
contract
with
Cooperative.
That
is
a
we
don't
have
to
go
out
to
bid.
We
can
use
that
vendor,
but
we
have
found
out
some
of
the
pieces
of
the
project.
Don't
necessarily
go
out
and
get
competitive
in.
So
my
strategy
was
to
ask
for
the
money
create
a
project.
I
The
design
bit
build
project
that
I
could
put
out
in
the
streets
and
gauge
the
true
nature
of
the
of
the
of
the
market
to
see
if,
if
it's
going
straight
to
Source,
well
saved
us
money
or
it
didn't
or
and
and
obviously
this
is
about
the
dollar
project-
I
don't
want
to
just
add
it
to
one
contractor.
I
I
want
to
go
out
to
the
to
the
market,
but
it
does
make
it
challenging
for
us,
because
we
have
the
right
really
specific
specifications
to
try
to
meet
the
quality
of
the
work
that
we're
getting
from
this
sourceful
vendor.
It's
the
one
vendor
that
the
city
has
used
for
a
while
and
it's
a
really
good
quality.
Well,
we
found
out
that
other
vendors
don't
use
the
same
materials
and
they
the
the
shades,
essentially
the
the
material
weather,
is
quicker
and
or
end
up
paying
more
money
for
that
sort
of
material.
I
H
I
just
say,
for
the
sake
of
time,
I
agree
with
these
I
mean
this
goes
back
to
our
joint
meeting
with
Council
that
maybe
measure
J
is
simplified
as
far
as
how
monies
are
spent
and
it's
basically
a
park
bucket
roads
and
streets
and
safety.
And
you
know
these
are
the
two
issues
facing
us
right
now:
we're
looking
at
roads,
it's
necessary
it's.
H
H
You
know
you
can
go
to
some
areas
that
I
would
think.
Well,
maybe
they
won't
be
able
to
afford
it,
and
you
see
shade
structures
so
I'm
I'm
in
support
of
this
and
I'm
ready
to
to
take
a
motion.
D
I'd
like
to
offer
some
comments
briefly
on
the
on
the
street
budgets,
the
road
repairs
and
Paving
I
think
going
forward.
It
would
be
to
avoid
this
happening
again,
whether
it's
streets
or
others,
where
the
commission
is
put
in
the
position
of
exacerbating
a
problem
by
saying
no
to
a
funding
request
and
that
exacerbation
can
be
a
potentially
higher
project
cost
later
on
top
of
a
later
project.
D
D
I
No-
and
that
was
never
my
intention-
we're
trying
to
put
out
a
project
that
was
under
the
6
million.
We
thought
we
had
room
to
play
with
the
numbers
were
just
outrageous
and
one
of
the
things
that's
difficult
to
put
out.
I
There
is,
when
you
put
it
out
on
the
streets
and
a
deduct
would
be
okay,
we're
going
to
do
x,
amount
of
streets
and
all
these
other
streets,
and
we
list
them
and
we
put
a
map
we're
going
to
tell
those
clients
a
little
residents,
we're
not
going
to
do
your
street
until
next
year,
so
the
cost.
You
know
it
could
be
more
next
year.
It
could
be
less
so
if
I
do
it
through
the
project
this
year
right,
it's
going
to
be
half
of
the
streets
next
year,
I'm
gonna.
Try
to
do
this.
I
The
next
half
of
the
streets
for
three
million
and
I
won't
be
able
to
it'll,
have
to
be
four
million
five
million,
so
it's
continue
the
same
way
and
I.
This
is
never
my
intention
to
put
a
commission
in
the
corner
to
make
it
of
course.
Of
course,
I
could
absolutely
pull
the
agenda
item
and
reject
all
bids
and
and
started
again
to
stay
within
this
chameleon.
I
It's
just
that.
I
will
have
to
eliminate
certain
streets
to
do
that
and
it's
okay,
I
I
will
do
it.
It's
just
I.
We
didn't
anticipate
this
extreme
amount
of
cost
about
what
we
anticipated.
D
Thank
you
and
if
I
could
add,
on
the
on
the
shade
structure,
I
look
at
the
Victoria
Park
shade
priorities
a
little,
maybe
a
little
bit
differently
than
others.
Here's
a
here's,
a
good
example
of
unfortunate
news,
bad
news.
A
community
project
came
in
with
a
number
that
seemed
easily
digestible
as
a
community
project
line
item.
D
If
we,
if
we
had
known
it,
was
a
half
a
million
dollar
project,
if
we
had
realized,
if
I
had
realized
that
it
was
to
cover
over
6
000
square
feet,
myself,
I
would
have
turned
this
back
to
parks,
department
to
other
or
the
parks
department
and
the
professionals
to
vet.
This
project
is
whether
it's
the
scope
is
suitable
and
whether
it
should
be
included
in
the
priorities
for
the
parks
department.
I,
don't
looking
at
this
with
hindsight.
I
wouldn't
have
recommended
this
project
as
a
community
project.
G
G
I'm
in
agreement
with
that
observation,
if
I'd
known
it
was
going
to
be
474
versus
58,
000.
I
would
have
voted
for
that.
So
I
can't
support
it
either.
H
I
I
didn't
distinguish
between
the
funds,
but
we
I
think
we
just
showed
that
there's
some
remainder
in
the
community
initiated
project.
There's
an
x,
a
dollar
value.
That's
there
whether
we
include
myself
or
not,
that
there's
a
dollar
value
there
and
there's
also
a
dollar
value
of
remainder
of
funds
and
measure.
I
H
H
D
You
know
I
think
I,
think
I
think
Parks
parks
department
needs.
It
needs
to
decide
whether
this
is
a
priority
among
their
priorities.
So.
F
We
have
in
so
a
couple
clarifications.
We
have
invited
the
Parks
and
Recs
Department
to
prioritize
all
of
the
projects
that
came
to
us
from
the
community
initiated
projects,
everything
from
The
Pavilion
to
Sunrise.
It
was
like
1.8,
I,
think
or
1.2
they're,
not
ready
to
present
those
priorities
yet
so
that
is
com.
It's
not
that
it's
not
going
to
happen.
It's
it's
just
not
ready
yet,
and
you
know,
I
I
think
this
also
goes
to
like
the
direction
from
Council.
F
If
we
do
want
these
buckets,
it
makes
it
a
lot
easier
to
then
know
where
some
of
these
fundings
sort
like
sources
are
coming
from.
You
know
and
and
I
guess
that
what
I
would
also
say
as
well
Joelle
around
these
shade
structures.
Is
you
know,
doing
one
or
two
and
making
them
like
really
comprehensive
and
excellent?
F
We're
not
like
half
the
playground
is
not
usable,
I
I
think
is
going
to
be
a
value
like
we
should
be
thinking
like
as
comprehensive,
as
opposed
to
like
the
original
vision,
and
at
least
that's
my
personal
opinion
and
and
the
other
thing,
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
I.
F
Think
the
fact
that
Community
initiative
projects
are
not
completely
financially
representative
of
what
they're,
gonna
cost
I
think
is
a
given
in
terms
of
when
we're
getting
Community
input
like
this
is
the
part
where
we're
determining
how
close
they
are,
and
we
always
knew
that
there
was
going
to
be
projects
that
were
going
to
get
dropped
from
consideration,
as
the
vettings
process
starts.
So
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
something
we
grapple
with
several
times
over
the
next
year
or
two,
as
the
projects
are
getting
more
comprehensively
vetted.
F
But
it
is
a
reflection
of
what
community
members
want
right.
They're,
not
Engineers,
they're,
not
experts
in
supply
chain
construction,
but
they
do
know
that
when
they
go
to
the
park
they
can't
like
get
on
the
swing
right
like
that
is
their
expertise
and
their
lived
experience
and
so
I'm.
Personally,
okay
with
things
being
off
and
then
we're
just
gonna
I
feel
like
constantly
readjust.
H
And
I
think
it's
important
to
look
at
the
economies
of
cost
too.
If
you
only
do
half
of
the
project
and
then
you
come
back
and
do
Victoria
Park
in
two
years
it's
going
to
be
even
more
expensive
and
you
know
you
do
get
economies
when
you
can
have
a
bigger
project.
You
know
a
contractor
is
going
to
look
at
this
and
say:
hey
you've
got
a
lot
going
on
here.
H
We're
going
to
have
some
cost
Savings
in
this
bit,
because
you're
doing
a
bigger
project
as
opposed
to
piecemealing
it
I
and
I
wish
I
would
have
remembered
this
58
000.
This
is
I
mean
I.
Would
even
look
at
that
and
say
that
there's
no
way
you
can
do
a
shade
structure
for
that.
But
you
know
that's
neither
here
nor
there,
but
I
don't
know
again.
I
just
feel
like
these
were.
This
was
important
to
our
commission.
H
C
If
I
could
just
say,
I
think
as
far
as
the
road
vacating
just
going
back
to
that
I
think
we
need
to
move
forward
with
that
one
because
you
know
we
know
it's
an
estimated
amount
and
if
anything,
we
can
lower
next
year's
recommendations.
So
to
cover
that,
because
it's
obviously
an
ongoing
thing,
we
had
six
million
dollars
a
year
so
next
year,
let's
just
only
spend
five.
We
go
over
a
million
I
have
a
question
on
demuth
and
baristo.
Were
these
ever
measure
Cherry
projects
were
they
always
are
they
always
cdbg.
I
These
are
cdbg
funded,
so
if
you
think
of
demuth
and
Barista,
we're
asking
for
just
basically
cdbg
is
covering
at
the
cost,
so
these
were
cdbg.
These
were
not
brought
forward
to
measure
J
originally
so.
C
So
these
are
brand
new
asks
that
I
I
think
is.
You
know
something
we
could
consider
for
next
year.
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
that
that
should
come
to
us
right
now.
Okay
and
I
would
I
would
say
with
Victoria
I
agree
with
Jim.
This
I
mean
that
Park
is
terrible,
just
to
be
very
honest
and
I
think
it
needs.
C
It
needs
this,
but
it's
ten
times
what
we
thought
it
would
be,
and
so
now
we're
making
the
decision
about
taking
something
else
from
parts
that
might
be
better
and
I
want
Victoria
Park,
fixed
and
made
nicer,
but
I
think
this
is
exactly
what
we
need
to.
Let
the
parks
Parks
director
know
that
we
approved
this.
C
I
One
of
the
things
that
I
do
on,
let's
say
that
I
think
I
probably
didn't
cover
properly
here.
One
of
the
additional
funding
projects
that
were
given
was
given.
Funding
through
the
budget
was
playground,
equipment,
shade
structures.
We
got
281
960
in
the
budget
purchasers
already
those
and
it
was.
It,
was
chain
structure
for
playground,
equipment.
It
was
a
Demus
or
Barista
and
I
think
I
didn't
cover
that
properly.
I
In
this
memo
that
may
be
able
to
cover
the
demise
Park
in
Barista
park,
because
what
was
given
to
me
was
like
before
later
on
equipment,
not
specific
equipment.
The
Victoria
Park
came
in
from
the
community
initiative
project,
so
we're
taking
them
all
as
whole
projects,
it's
hard
to
just
to
say
one
or
the
other.
These
are
Big
projects
and
we're
trying
to
do
them
all
at
the
same
time.
So
I
think
that
I
didn't
represent
that
property.
Here.
At
this
memo,.
F
Your
funding
matching
is,
is
much
more
complicated
than
our
like
simple
buckets
that
we're
trying
to
lean
on.
So
it's
like
talking
two
languages
and
I
appreciate
you
being
in
between
trying
to
explain
it.
F
I
Yeah,
it's
two
different
requests,
so
yeah.
If
you
could
separate
them
and
make
a
motion
on
one
of
our
bursts.
H
I
And
that's
part
of
the
whole
budget
process.
That's
why
I
create
the
five-year
CIP
I'm
projecting
on
moving
money
around
and
yeah.
Absolutely!
That's!
That's!
That's
a
given
that
if
next
year
we
we
see
the
downward
Trend
continue
the
Project's
going
to
go
smaller.
It
may
be
going
back
to
the
3
million
that
we
originally
got,
which.
I
Amount
of
money,
the
6
million,
was
you
know
it's
great
because
we're
going
to
cover
a
lot
of
the
city,
but
we
were
originally
planning
to
spend
3
million
over
time.
The
next
cycle
of
Street
pavement
management
design
when
I
hire
my
consultant
they're
going
to
give
me
a
projection.
That
number
may
change
now,
because
we've
done
so
many
so
many
projects
already
so
I'll
have
more
information
in
the
future.
F
Great
so
I
think
we
we
have
a
motion
by
chair,
Bernstein,
I,
think
I
heard
a
second
by
commissioner
gazan
all
in
favor
of
the
1.4
increase
for
streets,
I
I,
any
Nays
extensions
motion
passes,
thank
you
or
good
electoral
I
should
say,
and
then
next
we
have
the
750
000
request
for
the
shade
structures.
D
Motion
for
that
I'll
make
I'll,
make
a
motion
to
fund
the
additional
requests
for
dumuth
and
baristo,
but
defer
Victoria
Park
until
there's
more
dialogue
and
diligence
by
parks.
K
H
C
I
F
C
I
It
would
be
20,
the
exact
number
right
now
is
23.5,
but
I
would
take
the
50
and
then,
and
that
would
that
would
make
me
whole
for
baristo
to
move
them
forward
with
the
line
item
already
in
the
playground.
So
I
still
I
still
will
need
money,
and
then
the
Victoria
part
will
still
be
asked.
C
I
I
H
A
design
I
mean
I
know
with
like
Park
rest
germs
were
going
with
sort
of
a
cookie
cutter
design
for
all
the
restrooms
I
mean
if
I
can't
imagine
that
the
Parks
Commission
would
say
shade
at
Victoria.
Park
is
not
important
to
them
and,
of
course,
they
have
a
laundry
list,
that's
a
mile
long,
but
would
if
they
said
yes,
we
want
shade
I
mean.
Is
there
anything
with
Victoria
Park
I
mean
we
would
probably
want
consistencies
correct
I
mean
using
the
same
vendor
same
design,
same
look
and
feel
at
all
these
Parks
yeah.
I
For
the
most
part,
they
they're
all
very
consistently.
Looking
the
same,
it's
the
sales
right
with
the
big
steel
tubes,
because
the
wind
is
really
what's
important,
so
there's
big,
floodings
and
steel
and
something
you
can
put
on
top
of
them
is
those
winch
canopies
that
you
get
where
the
Triangular
canopies.
But
the
designs
are
going
to
be
very
similar.
It's
just
the
colors
that
maybe
very
here
or
there,
and
and
when
we
write
it.
I
What
becomes
interesting
if
I
do
go
out
and
not
use
my
vendor,
we
have
to
dictate
all
those
the
colors
we
have
to
dictate
the
design
and
it
becomes
a
little
bit
more
complex,
but
it
may
be
a
appropriate
because
we're
talking
about
a
million
dollars
here,
so
I
I
had
to
do
my
homework
to
make
sure
I
give
the
residents
what
they
deserve
and
make
sure
I'm
being
you
know,
taking
into
consideration
the
costs
associated
with
Securities
projects.
H
I
just
I
know
I'm,
probably
the
odd
man
out
on
this,
but
I
just
feel
cost
economies
doing
all
three
locations
I
feel
like
we've
been
so
constipated
with
so
many
of
these
Park
projects,
and
it
would
just
be
nice
to
finally
see
something
move
forward
and
deliver
to
the
public.
I
mean
the
you
know.
Even
the
restrooms
have
just
taken
forever
and
it's
been
painful.
I
mean
especially
the
one
in
demuth.
H
So
I
don't
know
I,
just
that's
that's
me.
I
just
would
go
for
it.
I
know
that
it's
something
that
the
community
spoke
very
bully
when
we
met
with
Council.
A
lot
of
the
comments
came
in
about
the
lack
of
shade
in
these
parks
and
our
Summers
ain't.
Getting
any
cooler
and
I
don't
know.
That's.
F
I
I
would
yeah
I
would
support
that
that
push
commissioner
gazan
I
mean
I
would
even
say
it's
just
in
the
summer.
There
are
times
in
the
middle
of
the
day
in
the
winter
where
there
are,
you
cannot
go
down
the
slide
at
our
Parks,
because
children
won't
burn
their
legs,
and
so
it
is.
It
is
a
year-long
problem,
and
if
we
have
some
of
the
funding
and
we're,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
fill
in
the
Gap
and
get
more
coverage
at
more
Parks.
I
A
F
Okay,
so
I
think
I
saw
commissioner
gazan
your
hand
up,
and
then
commission
Vice
chair
Robin
as
a
second
all
in
favor
signal
by
saying
I
raised
your
hand,
I.
G
F
By
commissioner
gazan
second
by
Vice,
chair
Robin,
thank
you
of
course,
okay.
So
now
that
gives
us
the
remaining
the
Victoria
Park,
which
I
think
would
then
be
700.,
which
staff
is
requesting
well.
C
H
I
Not
within
a
month
I
mean
it
would
be
consistent,
but
they
will
every
price
goes
up.
You
know
the
Market's
getting
are
fluctuating
like
down.
You
know
week
to
week
so
I
I,
you
know
I'm
in
good.
I
I
So
I
I,
it's
it's
become
more
than
what
I
anticipated.
If
we
can
withdraw
this
playground,
equipment,
discussion
and
and
lets
me
prepare
a
different
map.
We
have
the
same
discussion
next
month.
I
think
it
would
be
more
appropriate
because
I
really
want
to
deliver
these
projects,
but
I
wanted
to
give
everyone
an
opportunity
and
maybe
even
have
time
to
talk
Parts
folks,
I
think
that
would
be
best
for
the
commission
sort
of
kind
of
stuck.
C
I
could
just
say:
I
I
would
I
agree
that
we
need
to
know
this
forward
if
it,
if
it
doesn't,
kill
it
by
waiting
a
month,
and
we
can
get
the
you
know
the
parks.
You
know
Parks
Parks
director
to
confirm
that
this
is
makes
sense.
Then
I
would
do
that,
but
I
would
but
I
would
still
want
to
see
it
move
forward
by
next
month
or
the
latest
I.
I
I
think
you
know
if
I
can
offer
that
if
we
can
withdraw
the
entire
request,
I'd
like
an
opportunity,
because
I
think
I
I
may
have
done
something
that
with
the
funding
that
is
bugging
me
right
now.
So
I
I
think
I
would
even
want
to
to
be
able
to
to
talk
to
you
guys
again
in
a
month
to
clear
this
up
and
have
a
better
discussion.
I
H
I'm
willing
to
wait
one
month
base
for
you
Joelle,
because
of
a
little
bit
of
your
interpretation
with
the
numbers.
Yeah.
Do
you
feel
strongly
I?
Don't
I
I
we've
always
been
hand
in
hand
with
the
Parks
Commission,
but
I
just
think
after
restrooms.
This
is
the
number
two
priority
I
think
with
Parks
is
shade,
so
I
think
they
can
come
to
us
and
say
they
want
trees,
pickleball
courts,
soccer
fields,
whatever
this
you're
negating
and
wasting
all
of
your
play
equipment.
F
I
F
D
Can
I
can
I
just
add,
add
one
more
an
open-ended
question
or
an
open.
Maybe
an
open-ended
comment:
I
just
I'm
a
little
con
I'm
a
little
frustrated
that
there
seems
to
be
I.
Guess
here's
a
situation
where
the
the
quote
unquote.
We
want
what
we
want.
We
want
shade.
It
costs
what
it
costs,
give
us
what
we
want.
Okay,
that's
it's
an
unders,
that's
an
understandable
sentiment.
D
I
would
sure
appreciate
input
from
others,
with
more
expertise
than
I
have
on
how
to
solve
the
problem
of
the
shade
Victoria
and
either
an
affirmation
or
clarification
that
yep
there's
only
one
way
to
do
it.
This
is
the
way
to
do
it.
No
matter
what
we
talk
about.
This
is
the
answer.
No
need
to
pull
anybody
who's,
an
expert
because
I'm,
not
a
park
expert
I
just
would
like
input
from
people
who
are
and
Joel
I
know
you.
D
You
have
your
your
template
and
you
have
your
basic
design
that
you
would
apply
to
this
I'm
I
would
like
to
know
if
there's
more
than
one
option
here,
that
costs
475
000
and
if
that's
the
best
best
way
to
satisfy
what
the
needs
of
the
community
are.
F
Yeah
and
I
would
I
I
know
we
don't
know
exactly
what
it
would
be,
but
even
the
parks
that
have
shade
it,
they're,
not
very
comprehensive,
shade
and
so
I
think,
like
just
a
vision
of
what
that
shade
is,
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
understand.
As,
like
you
said,
mentioning
pictures
or
you
know
just
kind
of
what
what
you're,
hoping
for,
even
if
it's
a
replication
of
desert,
Highlands
or
if
there's
something
else
or
James,
oh
Jesse,
I
should
say.
F
Okay
should
be
an
interesting
conversation
next
month
that,
let's
move
on
to
the
next
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
the
discussion
and
completion
of
the
fiscal
year,
2022
2023
calendar
and
draft
roadmap
Evelyn.
Can
you
pull
that
up.
B
F
So
last
month
we
reviewed
the
kind
of
what
we're
hoping
to
do
every
single
month
or
like
our
general
goals.
Obviously
this
is
not
set
in
stone,
but
did
anyone
have
any
feedback
around
that
section?
I
also
want
to
have
a
general
conversation
on
the
policy
review
at
the
top,
but
before
we
do
that
it
might
just
we
do
a
quick.
Are
we
all
clear
on
the
calendar
and
feel
good
on
it.
B
F
Yeah
so
I
guess
then
foreign.
It's
incredible.
F
But
yeah
I
was
I'm
pretty
happy
with
this
okay,
so
it
sounds
like
we're
all
good
on
the
calendar.
What
I
was
hoping
we
could
have
a
quick
discussion
on,
and
maybe
these
might
be,
questions
that
have
to
go
to
the
interim
City
or
council.
Is
the
policy
review
at
the
top?
F
And
maybe
commissioner
gazan
you
might
have
some
insight
as
to
like
where
these
Evelyn
can
you
scroll
up
just
yeah,
so
that
one
through
six
like
how
much
to
lean
on
as
that
our
basic
structure,
because
there's
a
few
things
that
are
inconsistent
right.
So
if
you
look
at
policy
number
two,
it's
the
one
million
dollar
contingency
and
how
much
do
we
lean
or
or
kind
of
expect
that
item
three
is
if
slash
when
that
Community
initiative
projects
allocation
is
going
to
increase.
F
Number
five
is
updated
to
reflect
the
new
six
million
dollars
and
then
for
number.
Six
is
really
looking
at
the
timeline
of
what
we're
thinking
for
the
year.
So
we've
always
done
capital
projects
and
Community
shade
projects
presented
in
The,
Joint
Council
in
May,
and
if
that
is
kind
of
the
determined
timeline,
then
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
clear
answer
as
to
when
requests
like
last
month
come
up
that
are
outside
of
that
when
requests
are
coming
sooner
right.
F
So
it
is
how
how
much
do
we
lean
on
this
timeline
for
all
decisions
that
come
from
the
community
or
from
the
city?
Sometimes
the
city
has
staff.
History
recommended
projects
that
are
a
much
faster
timeline
and
we
make
that
recommendation
beforehand.
So
it
seems
like
there
might
be
some
inconsistency
as
to
how
we
apply
some
of
these
policies,
and
so
I
wanted
to
just
open
it
up
the
discussion
a
little
bit
to
the
whole
commission
as
to
their
General
kind
of
acceptance.
Reservation
for
any
of
these
policies.
D
Sure,
soda
I
think
I
think
you
covered
the
points
you
covered.
I
agree
that
those
are
those
are
necessary
clarifications
and
I
just
want
to
amplify
the
last
Point,
using
as
the
example
today's
discussion
of
shade
structure
funding
and
whether
we're
talking
about
a
new
project
and
then
last
months
that
was
brought
in
for
Jane
Garrison.
D
So
as
a
policy
matter.
If
it's
a
line
item
seven
here
policy
review
seven,
do
we
or
do
we
not
have
the
latitude
to
consider
project
spot
brought
to
us
mid-year
by
either
staff
or
others
within
the
city
within
City
management?
And
thirdly,
whether
there
is
a
community
initiated
project
that
comes
to
us
mid-year
are.
Are
we
allowed
to
be
receptive
and
make
recommendations
to
city
council,
or
do
we
follow
a
rule
that
says
thank
you
either
City
City,
professional
staff
or
City
Community?
D
Do
we
say
instead
we'll
write,
we'll
write
that
down
and
we'll
consider
it
in
May.
E
C
What
that's,
what
city
council
approved
and
that's
what
we
make
recommendations
so
we're
actually
spending
this
year,
making
recommendations
for
23-24
and
we
have
to
make
recommendations
before
the
budget
is
adopted,
that
that's
that's
how
the
ordinance
reads.
We
we
can't.
We
can
present
things
ahead
of
time,
but
either
we
have
to
change
the
the
current
2223
budget
or,
if
there's
more
money
than
we
thought
there
were.
We
cannot.
We
can
request
that,
but
we
can't
really
go
and
spend
more
than
what
has
been
approved
and
what
we
actually
have
this
year.
D
How
do
you
within
that
construct,
commissioner?
How
do
we
address?
How
do
we
clarify?
How
do
we
distinguish
between
those
on
those
hypothetical
future
unfunded
versus
those
that
could
be
funded
with
unallocated
proved
funds
in
the
current
year,
we
have
we.
C
C
D
D
C
That
that's
our
own,
that
that
is
our
our
own
policy
and
how
we
do
it
and
and
and
obviously
being
fair
to
the
community.
But
if
we
have
excess
funds
this
year,
which
we
do,
we
can
certainly
go
to
city
council
and
say
this
is
how
we
want
to
spend
them
and
not
have
to
wait
till
next
year.
We
just
can't
go
beyond
this
year,
otherwise
it
would
be
sort
of
odd
to
say
we
want
to
borrow
next
year.
A
E
H
Know
and
I,
don't
think
for
commissioner
Robbins
point
and
it
might
be
a
little
simpler.
Typically,
we
can
learn
the
projects,
whether
they're,
Community
or
something
that
the
city
should
be
looking
at.
That
would
be
typically
addressed
can
be
addressed
in
every
meeting
through
public
comment.
So
last
month
was
maybe
a
little
bit
of
a
hiccup.
H
That
request
probably
should
have
been
more
public
comment,
and
then
it
could
have
been
addressed
as
a
future
agenda
item
to
discuss
or
that
it's
we're
not
discussing
it,
and
it
becomes
part
of
a
community
initiative
project
for
next
year.
Right,
so
typically,
we
don't
people
can
come
to
our
meetings
and
make
public
comments.
We've
had
it
before,
where
they
want
crosswalks
or
safety
issues
or
whatever
that's
done
traditionally
in
public
comment,
and
it
can
be
a
consideration
for
us
if
it,
you
know
again.
H
Last
last
year
was
so
new
on
so
many
fronts
for
the
first
time,
in
probably
six
years
of
the
commission,
at
least
where
we
open
things
up
to
the
public.
So
that
is
the
time
for
people
to
address
those
issues,
and
if
someone
feels
strongly
about
something,
this
is
where
they
Lobby
counsel
or
staff,
and
it
may
come
through
staff.
Typically
our
projects
that
we're
considering
from
a
capital
standpoint,
the
bulk
of
our
budget
is
coming
from
staff
and
that's
generally
that
filter.
So
I,
don't
know
if
that
clarifies
so.
D
A
E
C
Don't
have
to
do
it
so
we
could.
We
could
have
gone
back
to
city
council
and
said
we
had
this
1.4
million
in
Parks
money
that
we
did
not
allocate,
and
now
we
want
to
take
300
000
and
not
wait
for
the
parks
director,
and
we
want
to
spend
it
on
that.
We
could
have
done
that
and
presented
the
city
council.
We
didn't
do
it,
then
that's
okay,
but
we
had
there's
nothing
stopping
us
from
doing
it.
C
It
would
be
very.
It
would
be
very
unusual
to
take
an
odd
Community
project.
Somebody
comes
up
with
something
brand
new
and
at
it
because
that
really
tarnishes
the
whole
Pro.
The
whole
idea
of
community
projects,
considering
them
all
at
once.
That's
true!
If
it's
something
that
comes
from
the
city
like
Joelle
said
well,
you
know
this
is
going
to
cost
more
and
we
have
three
million
dollars
sitting
there.
There's
nothing
stopping
us
from
going
to
the
city
now
and
he
adds
it
to
an
agenda
item
to
that.
C
E
Yeah
can
I
yes,
if
I'm
wrong
on
this,
please
correct
me,
but
I
thought
Jane
was
asking
to
take
the
tree
off
of
the
wash
and
put
them
on
Prescott
and
I
felt.
Everybody
really
said
that
opens
up
a
can
of
worms
about
the
entreity
of
our
work,
because
you
can
say
in
the
example
that
I
heard
was
the
skate
park
at
Desert
Highland
community
center.
Well,
what
if
they
came
down
and
said?
Well,
you
know
we
really
don't
want
that,
but
we
want
something
else
and
so
I.
E
She
has
the
opportunity
to
apply
for
this
year's
Community
project,
which
you
bet
she
will
be
first
in
line,
but
I
think
it's
very
important.
You
keep
your
integrity
in
place.
We
did
our
work.
People
submitted
their
paperwork,
it
was
all
vetted
and
that's
how
it
came
out
and
I
I
was
very
glad.
We
did
not
that's
a
great
project.
I!
Don't
need
to
go
on
about
that,
but
it's
the
process
of
the
major
J
commission.
E
You
know
we
are
trying
to
be
open
and
fair
and
distribute
the
funds
to
the
big
things
into
the
small
things.
So
I
think
her
opportunity
is
coming
up
in
the
new
community
project
and
she
will
do
that,
but
we
have
to
make
a
decision
and
stick
by
our
decision.
That's
my
personal
kind
of
ethics.
On
this
thing
you.
C
F
The
question
is:
what
for
future
considerations
like
what
is
just
the
quick
decision
that
what
will
be
the
quick
determination
that
will
decide
for
us
whether
or
not
we
can
consider
it
at
the
time
you
know
and
I
just
I
I
appreciate
this
conversation
around
Community
initiative
projects
versus
people
who
come
to
us
during
public
comments
throughout
the
year,
because
just
because
someone
gives
us
comments
and
public
comments
doesn't
always
lead
to
an
inquiry
of
the
the
veracity
of
the
need
or
a
study
or
potential,
and
so
I
do
think.
F
It's
important
that
there
is
a
more
formal
mechanism
for
community
members
to
be
able
to
submit
that
request.
You
know
if
they
do
it
both.
You
know
that's
even
better,
but
I
think
another
I
don't
want
to
make
it
for
in
case
anybody's,
watching
this
feature
that
every
public
comment
that
immediate
leads
to
the
same
process
that
every
Community
initiated
projects
goes
through
right.
That
is
not
necessarily
the
case,
so
yeah,
but
it
does
seem
like
there
are
some
other
policies
here
that
haven't
been
updated.
F
So
I
don't
know
Evelyn.
If
this
is
something
that
can
be
part
of
the
kind
of
council
review
in
terms
of
direction
for
Council,
if
this,
if
this
still
makes
sense
for
future
Commissioners,
who
are
on
board
like
they're,
going
to
be
looking
at
this
calendar,
trying
to
understand
the
work
that
we
do
so
making
sure
this
is
as
up
today
as
possible
is
really
helpful.
Any
other
comments
around
the
policy
review.
D
E
That
might
be
a
good
thing
to
do
shared
person
to
have
that,
so
you
don't
have
to
have
the
same
discussion,
it's
very
clear.
What
what
major
do
you
can
do,
so
you
might
write
another
proposal
that
makes
it
clearer.
F
So
maybe
I'll
Draw
Something
to
Evelyn,
and
then
we
can
review
it
next,
Council
or
next
commission
meeting
and
if
you're
good
with
it
we'll
we
can
leave
it
in
okay.
Well,
let's
we
are
running
behind.
Is
there
any
other
General
discussions
or
commissioner
comments
and
requests.
C
Just
one
thing
quickly,
I
would
urge
another
discussion
with
the
city's
media
Communications
Department.
Now
that
we
have
the
school
thing,
we're
gonna
have
the
byzel
thing
to
make
sure
that
measured,
Shea
is
highlighted
in
in
our
activities,
because
I
don't
think
people
will
really
fully
realize
all
the
things
that
Mr
J
does
and
I
don't
know
about
any
of
the
other
projects
we
approved
or
other
things
that
are
happening,
but
just
to
make
sure
that
measure
Shea
is
always
highlighted
for
things
we
funded.
G
C
A
C
F
Yeah,
okay
and
I'll
put
a
request
out,
maybe
to
Amy
to
see
the
easiest
process
both
to
give
us
Direction
on
what
they
can
do
and
then
a
report
out
as
to
the
post,
or
you
know
what
was
done:
yeah
Fair,
Point,
okay.