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City of Palm Springs Planning Commission meeting, held September 14th, 2022
A
Foreign
okay,
we're
ready
good
evening
I
want
to
welcome
you
to
the
Wednesday
September
14th
2022,
regular
meeting
of
the
Palm
Springs
Planning
Commission
can
I
have
a
roll
roll
call.
Please.
B
Seven
members
are
present
and
we
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you
can
I
have
a
report
on
the
posting
of
the
agenda.
Please.
A
B
A
Item
of
the
agenda,
keeping
the
rest
of
the
agenda,
so
in
the
in
public
hearings
it
would
take
Celine
Palm
Springs.
First.
A
A
A
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
consent,
calendar
and
other
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
before
us.
Please
note
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
on
items
that.
B
Are
not
on
the
listed
agenda
each
member
of
the
public
will
have
three
minutes.
Testimony
for
public
hearing
can
be
offered
at
this
time
or
at
the
time
of
the
public
hearing
members
of
the
public.
Who
would
like
to
comment
on
one
item
1A,
which
is
the
consent
calendar,
are
directed
to
comment
under
this
portion
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
members
of
the
public.
A
B
Okay,
so
chair
Warmack,
Vice,
chair
Roberts
and
other
Commissioners.
Thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
today
again.
My
name
is
Mark.
Elkins
I
want.
A
This
project
was
supposed
to
be
completed
years
ago
after
having
to
sit
and
watch
the
eyesore
that
this
project
has
become.
They
now
want
to
add
five-story
condos
to
the
project
and
have
a
giant
monolith
of.
D
B
Can
build
something
more
in
line
with
the
neighborhood
somebody
who
will
actually
make
sure
that
what.
D
They
say
will
actually
get
built.
I
feel
like
this
project
has
become
a
total
bait
and
switch
for
us.
Thank.
B
C
B
C
Appeal
to
your
gut
regarding,
what's
right
and
what's
wrong,
my
front
door
sits
on
the
northeast
corner
of
the
condo
development
site
that
was
originally
called
the
plateau
and
is
now
referenced
as
the
North
Village
I
live
in
a
one-story
unit
at
the
center
Court
club
and
like
all
of
the
other
units,
along
that
property
line,
my
building
measures
nine
feet,
three
inches
from
the
ground
to
the
roof
line,
truth
and
disclosure.
There
is
a
decorative
Peak
that
adds
four
additional
feet.
So,
let's
say
a
maximum.
D
Height
of
13.3
feet,
the
initial
condo
development
plans
took
into
account
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
conformed
to
a
realistic
scale.
In
relation
to
the
surrounding
buildings,
the
currently
approved
condos
on
the
northeast
corner
corner
range
from
25.8
feet
to
37.9
feet
in
height,
the
newly
proposed
condo
structures
requiring
a
private
elevator
to
make
them
tenable
reach
a
staggering
height
of
52
feet
and
stretch
further
along
the
northeast
property
line
than
originally
proposed.
D
E
E
It's
this
is
a
permanent
imposition
that
cannot
be
erased.
I
appreciate
your
commitment
to
serving
the
committee
as
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
I.
Ask
that
you
exercise
your
long-term
planning
capacity
to
benefit
the
community
as
a
whole,
not
just
the
developer.
Please
consider
the
current
residence
and
the
inappropriate
height
of
the
revised
condo
plans
in
your
decision
making
I
ask
that
you
instruct
the
developer
to
lower
the
finished
height
of
the
proposed
Condominiums
to
be
in
proportion
with
the
surroundings
before
approving
the
plan
and
I.
E
Okay,
fine
may
I
speak
yes,
yes,
I'm
Good
evening,
Commissioners
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
service.
My
name
is
Louis
farrinello
I
am
the
President
of
Center
Court,
HOA
I
know
you
have
received
I
know.
You
have
received
many
letters
from
our
residents
regarding
our
objections
to
the
change
in
the
project.
I
want
to
make
it
clear.
We
are
not
objecting
to
the
hotel.
We
have
supported
the
hotel
since
the
its
Inception
and
I
will
go
on
record
as
saying
the
developer
was
accommodating
to
many
of
our
concerns.
E
B
B
Plans
a
couple
of
years
ago
for
developments
on
the
north
west
side
of
the
complex
they
were
supposed
to
be
single
store,
single
story.
Condos
in
a
cluster
of
four
or
five.
The
intended
use
was
for
wedding
parties
or
executive
conferencing
where
there
would
be
individual
units
and
then
a
common
space
for
business
to
be
conducted.
A
Whatever
a
green
space
that
was
going
to
be
no
more
than
one
story
and
possibly
a
little
bit
Subterranean
and
built
up
that
has
changed
now
and
I.
Think
that's
the
focus
of
this
meeting
to
four
story:
structures:
24
four-story
condominiums
in
that
corner,
forced
24,
four-story,
condominios
mediums
on.
D
D
Yes,
the
hotel
is
now
split
in
design,
so
there
is
an
open
space
between
them,
but
what
I'd
like
to
know
is
what
the
addition
of
that
24
units
now
on
the
Southeast
Corner.
How
does
that
benefit
the
community?
How
does
that
benefit
the
convention
center,
but
the
intent
of
the
hotel
originally
was
to
provide
a
high-end
hotel
for
of
convention
use
and
for
the
community.
H
H
H
Frankly,
I
can't
believe
we're
back
at
this
again
with
more
amendments
and
modifications
to
this
site
that
has
had
no
movement,
the
sap
bacon
and
has
Ben
and
I
soar.
For
over
four
years.
There
has
been
no
communication
with
a
developer
about
the
change
of
the
scope
of
this
project,
even
though
she
apparently
lives
next
door.
Her
statements
about
needing
more
condos
to
make
the
project
financially
viable
is
not
our
concern,
I
think
back
to
when
it
was
proposed
as
a
hotel
to
serve
at
the
convention
center.
That
was
also
intended
to
host
high-end
Executives.
H
H
Now
this
project
has
evolved
again
to
create
additional
multi-level,
multiple
level
condos
that
will
further
impede
the
views
of
the
neighbors
I
request
that,
while
the
existing
part
of
the
project,
but
the
hotel
should
continue,
the
other
new
components
of
the
four-story
condos
should
either
be
returned
to
the
previously
approved
plan
or
limit
them
to
two
stories.
At
most,
this.
I
About
view
corridors
and
quote
this
view
of
the
Majestic
San
Jacinto
mountains
constitutes
the
most
defining
and
striking
features.
Retaining
these
views
of
the
mountains
will
help
to
enhance
the
quality
of
the
environment
and
experiences
section
14..
However,
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
have
not
seemed
to
be
of
much
concern
in
any
previous
meetings.
Staff's.
D
Vernacular,
as
was
previously
envisioned
and
approved,
that
is
from
the
initial
entitlement
back
in
2007..
Different
plans
are
submitted
and
approved.
Thus
those
are
what
should
be
focused
on.
It
also
says
that
there's
no
need
for
further
environmental
review
again
based
it
on
the
neck
deck
from
2007..
This
is
outdated,
as
obviously
development
in
the
area
has
grown
greatly.
Even
then,
a
city
planning
commissioner,
stated
in
the
2007
email
that
the
mitigated
neg
deck
is
smoking
mirrors.
There
are
numerous
errors
in
false
photo
exhibits
and
he
outlines
a
few
of
them.
D
It
also
stated
that
the
development
will
have
significant
effect
on
views
from
their
surrounding
properties.
While
he
noted
the
hotel
is
needed,
but
the
two
high
condos
is
unacceptable.
The
latest
iteration
of
additional
condos
will
contribute
to
that.
Finally,
staff's
conclusion
is
that,
most
importantly,
the
amended
project
is
still
in
compliance.
H
With
the
exception
of
the
North
and
South
villas
with
higher
Heights,
well,
that's
that's
true.
This
conclusion
is
based
on
the
original
entitlement
again
and
not
the
numerous
approved
iterations
since
yet
at
this
point,
the
primary
concern
is
the
height
of
the
two
new
sets
of
condos
that
will
impede
the
neighbors
and
the
neighborhood.
In
addition,
the
new
site
plan
includes
surface
parking
when
in
the
past
it
was
always
told
that
parking
for
the
condos
and.
D
Hotel
would
be
underground.
This
will
also
have
an
effect
with
the
neighbors
I
request
that
the
changes
be
made
by
the
developer,
to
dramatically
lessen
the
height
of
these
new
structures
prior
to
it,
being
dissent
to
city
council
for
approval,
and
it's
good
to
see
everyone,
especially
those
who
were
here
the
last
time
we've
been
through
this,
and
hopefully
we
won't
have
to
be
there
again.
Thank
you.
D
J
B
J
Some
changes
I
want
to
get
to
the
which,
which
of
the
tube
items
both
both
and
I,
have
some
changes
as
well.
J
J
Commissioner,
maruti
on
the
bot
near
the
bottom
of
page
three,
it
talks
about
sine
a
and
sine
B,
there's
no
indication
of
what
sign
a
or
sine,
b
r,
so
it'd
be
nice
to.
If
the
mi
casa
su
casa
is
sorry
and
then
that
should
be
identified
and
so
forth.
So
somebody
reading
this
in
the
future
will
know
what
we're
talking
about
and
then
I
have
comments
on
the
other
one
should
I
wait.
J
I
know
does
any
with
those
I
think
we
can't
approve
them
and
they
should
go
back
to
staff
to
identify
what
the
signs
are.
Unless
you
can
do
that
now,.
J
While
we're
looking
at
other
changes,
we
might
pull
that
up
quickly
and
see.
If
we
can,
we
can
do
that
now.
Thank
you
and
then
the
second,
the
meeting
minutes
yeah
on
the
near
the
bottom
of
page.
Two
on
those
it
talks
about
some
things
that
I
asked
Commission
rutzi,
but
then
it
the
the
last
sentence
is
planner
lion
confirmed
that
that
is
correct,
but
I
actually
had
two
questions,
one
and
three
so
I
don't
know
if
that
referred
to
both
the
bottom
of
page
two.
J
Additional
middle
of
Page
Three,
it's
just
a
typo.
It
says,
commissioner,
emergency
questioned
legal
noticing
for
the
prior
General
plan
designations.
I
think
it
should
have
said
question
whether
legal
noticing
for
the
prior
General
plan
designations
had
occurred.
J
J
It
says
she
requested
additional
materials,
be
provided
to
show
a
compliant
project
with
the
golf
collection
version
and
what
I
actually.
K
K
Commissioner
hirschbine,
can
we
ask
that
these
come
back
to
us,
because
this
is
too
much
to
digest
and
quickly.
So
we
can
move
on
right,
I
think
with
this
particular
hearing.
It
would
actually
be
good
if
staff
listened
to
the
tape
and
then
responded
and
corrected
this
so
there's
a
motion
that
we
table
these
until
they
date
certain,
which
would
be
our
next
meeting,
no
I'd.
Second,
that
we
I
found
the.
K
If
you
give
those
to
us,
we
can
possibly
deal
with
that.
This.
This
sure
so
sign
a
was
the
plus
sign,
A
and
B
were
both
on
the
portica
share.
Spacious
sign
a
is
the
sign
that
was
facing
the
cells
and
was
identified
as
Mikasa
Isa
and
then
sine
B
was
the
one
on
the
curved
portion
of
the
Portico
share
with
the
text
Changes
in
Latitude
Changes
in
Attitude.
K
And
and
when
we
refer
to
that
in
the
changes
you
make
with
this,
will
you
refer
to
exactly
what
the
sign
is
that
got
approved?
Yes,
we
can
make
that
change
before
we
finalize
these
means.
Thank
you
so
with
those
changes,
commissioner
Murphy,
are
you
comfortable,
absolutely
and
I
motion
make
emotions
that
we
approve
do
a
second
all
in
favor
aye
and
on
the
study
section
minutes
here,
chair
I
was
absent
on
the
the
15th
I
believe
was
of
April.
K
You'll
record
your
substention
on
the
study
session
minutes,
we
had
a
motion
from
from
myself
to
bring
these
back
at
our
next
regular
meeting
with
seconded
that
okay
and
that
the
date
on
our
next
regular
meeting
is.
K
If
you
want
to
date
certain
if
you
can
September
28th
so
would
return
on
September
28th,
with
corrections
can
I
have
all
in
favor
any
opposed
yeah.
J
Thank
you,
okay,
moving
right
along
into
our
public
hearings.
The
next
item
we're
going
to
take
up
is
2C
Celine,
Palm,
Springs
LLC
for
an
amendment
to
the
previously
approved
final
development
plans
and
tentative
track
map
35236
to
include
an
additional
24
condominium
minimum
units
on
the
Southeast
section
of
the
site.
J
Reconfigure,
the
12
condominium
units
at
the
Northeast
area
of
the
site
increase
the
number
of
tower
condominium
units
from
28
to
29
and
make
minor
minor
modifications
to
the
final
landscape
plans
of
the
Dream
Hotel,
located
on
the
northwest
corner
of
Avenida
Caballeros
in
a
model.
Road
staff
report
police
sure
so
just
wanted
to
give
some
a
good
evening
just
wanted
to
give
some
brief
remarks
before
Edward
delivers.
D
The
staff
report,
as
you
all
know,
I'm
sure
much
better
than
me.
This
project
has
a
lengthy
history
and
a
close
relationship
with
the
city.
I
appreciate
that
many
of
you
have
reviewed
this
in
different
capacities,
so
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
State
what
is
before
the
Planning
Commission
tonight.
This
project
does
have
existing
entitlements
and
development
right
tonight.
J
As
event
space,
the
second
is
the
reconfiguration
of
the
12
previously
approved
condominium
units
on
the
Northern
portion
of
the
site
into
two
buildings
and,
finally,
an
internal
adjustment
to
the
previously
approved
residential
tower.
That
would
see
an
increase
of
one
condominium
unit
from
28
to
29
total
units
in
that
location.
Edward
will
elaborate
on
these
changes
as
well.
J
As
the
you
know,
the
project
history
in
more
detail
when
he
goes
into
the
report,
but
I
also
wanted
to
indicate
for
the
commission
consideration
that
there
are
parallel
conversations
occurring
between
the
operator
and
the
city
regarding.
D
Two
agreements
that
will
establish
both
the
performance
schedule
for
permitting
construction,
opening
and
financial
obligations,
as
well
as
the
operations
of
the
hotel
and
I,
know
that
these
are
sensitive
items
for
the
community
as
well
as
yourselves.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
were
aware
that
those
conversations
are
occurring
with
the
city
and
the
city
council
and
will
be
discussed.
J
J
A
referral
to
city
council
correct
and
if
we
approve
changes,
those
changes
would
go
on
to
architectural,
the
Architectural
Review
Committee.
But
would
they.
D
D
Okay,
thank
you
director,
Christopher,
so
Madam,
chair
good
evening,
are
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
but
before
I
start
I
would
love
to
share
my.
B
H
B
J
Room
hotel
and
a
143
unit
condominium
complex,
but
at
that
time
the
project
did
not
move
forward,
so
the
African
came
back
again
and
there
have
been
since
that
time.
There
have
been
six
major
amendments
to
the
project.
A
major
amendment
is
when
the
proposed
amendment
have
to
come
before
you
and
to
the
city
council
in
2017.
There
was
another
amendment
made
to
the
project
that
reduced
the
number
of
hotel
rooms
from
200
to
170,
and
then
the
number
of
residential
units
also
changed
at
that
time
and
then
again
in
2019.
D
40.
but
the
case
good
for
you
tonight,
the
application
before
you
tonight
is
an
amendment
to
the
approved
plan
development
District,
an
amendment
to
the
alternative
track.
Math,
here's
this
coupon
review
of
the
item
before
you
number
one.
You
have
to
look
at
the
proposed
change
of
views,
in
other
words
the.
E
Change
of
views
from
of
the
amenities
on
the
south
east
of
the
search
of
the
site,
changing
it
from
a
farmhouse
and
Event
Center
to
a
residential
I
use
which
will
result
to
changes
in
the
site
plan.
And
again
you
have
to
look
at
the
modifications
that
is
being
proposed
to
the
track
map,
because
the
applicant
now
want
to
create
Three
Laws
from
the
original
two
and
three
letters
Lots.
E
So
what
is
before
the
changes
again
are
number
one.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
eliminate
The
Farmhouse
or
the
event
center.
That
is
located
on
the
Southeast
section
of
the
center,
and
in
this
place
there
will
be
a
24
unit,
condominium
structure
known
as
the
South
Villas
and
then
on
the
north
west
of
the
site.
The
formerly
structure,
known
as
the
plateau,
which
was
a
12
unit,
condominium
structure,
is
being
changed.
C
Now
all
they
are
doing
in
this
place
is
reconfiguring
and
rebuilding
that
structure.
It
is
still
it
will
maintain
the
12
units,
as
was
originally
approved,
and
finally,
the
hotel
Tower,
which
originally
contained
28
units,
will
be
reconfigured
internally
to
29,
which
will
then
increase
the
number
of
condominium
units
from
40
to
65
total.
B
The
footprint,
but
there
will
be
changes
to
the
heights
of
the
200
million,
but
this
out
and
the
not
the
last
so
this
is
an
area
of
the
previous
approval,
as
you
can
see,
is
the
hotel
which
is
very
recognizable
and
then
the
plateau.
This
is
the
approved
plan
and
then
back
here
is
where
the
event
center.
D
F
D
It
will
still
have.
We
still
contain.
A
I
And
on
to
the
southeast
section
of
it,
using
the
proposed.
F
I
Underneath
that
Podium
I
will
go
more
into
that,
as
as
I
show
you.
B
Five
of
them
to
the
north
of
the
side
and
again
to
the
South
East
into
where
the.
B
So
the
question
that
was
asked
of
the
applicant.
F
Is
if
you
are
eliminating
the
event
center
from
the
southeast
section
of
the
of
the
site?
Where
will
the
event
spaces
be?
So
here
are
the
potential
locations
of
where
event
spaces
will
be.
There
are
meeting
rooms
on
the
ground
floor
of
the
hotel,
Tower
itself.
So
that's
where
majority
of
the
event
spaces
will
be
relocated.
F
And
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
is,
you
are
also
being
asked
to
review
and
approve
the
changes
to
the
alternative
track
map.
So
it
does
have
three
letter
Lots,
which
are
all
meant
for
streets
improvements
and
then
a
lot
one
will
be
for
the
hotel,
Lot
2
for
the
not
dealers
and
lot
three
will
be
for
the
surveillance.
F
These
are
the
the
floor
plans
of
the
not
Villas.
This
is
how
they
would
look
like
now
it
does
have
a
yes.
All
the
units
will
have
their
own
separate
parking
spaces
on
the
basement.
F
This
is
the
third
floor
and
the
fourth
floor
of
the
floor
plans.
These
are
all
contained
in
the
materials
that
are
before
you
Edward
when
you
said
basement
you're,
not
literally
saying
a
basement,
you're
saying
the
first
floor,
Podium
exactly
so
that
that's
that's
correct,
Madam,
chair
and
here
I
did
not
be
last
elevation,
so
I
will
go
back
as
I
go
on.
I
will
show
you.
The
elevation
of
the
previously
approved
plateau.
F
F
So
these
are
the
floor
plans
of
the
South
Villas,
which
is
replacing
the
event
center
and
the
and
the
Farmhouse
area
this.
This
will
be
the
parking
area
and
then
this
at
the
central
right.
The
first
line,
the
first
floor
plans.
F
F
So
with
the
renderings,
this
will
be
looking
at
the
on
the
rendering
from
the
south
east
corner
of
Avenida
caballeras
and
looking
at
it
from
Amado.
This
is
the
portion
of
it
that
you
could
see
they.
You
don't
have
the
landscape
Plan
before
you
today,
but
that
will
be
coming
back
to
you
and
to
The
Arc
in
the
future,
because
there
are
changes
being
made
to
decide
and
to
the
landscape
plants
as
well.
F
So
these
are
the
section
drawing
the
reason
I'm
presenting
this
to
you
is
to
see
what
the
setback
plan,
the
setbacks
that
are
being
proposed
are
are
relative
to
the
height
of
the
building.
So
here
this
section
represents
the
structures
at
the
center
Court
community,
and
this
is
the
the
new
proposed
structure.
We
are
easily
proposed
setback
that
ranges
from
100
to
120
foot
setback
and,
of
course,
there
will
be
all
kinds
of
landscaping
that
will
help
to
minimize
the
impact
of
the
structure.
F
This
South
Villas
was
previously
approved
also
for
residential
use,
and
you
have
more
resident
residences
to
do
not
at
that
time
and
the
reason
I'm
bringing
this
before
you
was
that
even
the
original
CPA
document
that
you
certified
in
207
and
the
subsequent
amendments
all
actually
analyzed
this
use
back
then,
and,
and
that
also
included
the
addendum
that
was
made
to
the
mnd
in
2017..
F
So
this
is
the
2013
approved
plan
and,
as
you
can
see,
this
will
bring
the
residential
structure
that
was
previously
approved,
but
then
was
amended
again
in
2019
to
include
to
have
a
farmhouse
and
the
Event
Center.
She
didn't
know
that
is.
There
was
always
the
plan
to
have
residential
development
there,
the
only
difference
and
as
I
indicated
in
the
site
plan
I
mean
in
your
staff
report,
easy
proposed
height
this
time
around.
F
So
the
desired
record
does
contain
the
original
conditions,
plus
all
the
amended
conditions
over
the
years.
But
the
report
before
you
today
does
include
two
new
conditions
for
approval.
The
first
one
has
to
do
with
bad
elevations,
which
requires
that
any
that
the
bad
elevation
must
be
consistent
with
what
you
approved
originally
and
if
there
is
going
to
be
any
deviation
from
that
which
might
happen
behind
has
to
come
back
to
you.
F
F
Staff
recommendation
at
this
time
is
that
is
to
the
idea,
Planning
Commission,
to
approve
the
tentative
track
map
and
recommend
approval
of
the
PDD
amendments
to
the
city
council,
subject
to
conditions
that
are
before
you
or
any
additional
conditions
that
the
Planning
Commission
may
be
necessary
for
this
project.
Is
this
a
public.
B
Hearing
that
concludes
staff
server
staff
reporting
days.
I
mean
question.
Staff
will
be
available
to
answer
those.
The
applicant
is
also
in
attendance
to
make
a
presentation
to
you,
but
I'm
sure
that
I
will
conclude
in
staff
report.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
at
this
point.
If
you
can
take
that
down,
I
would
like
to
enter.
B
And
Commissioners,
which
time
has
his
hand
up,
and
then
commissioner
Vice
chair
Roberts,
thank
you.
I
just
have
one
question
to
staff:
are
we
to
review
the
changes
to
this
plan
in
relation
to
the
last
approved
plan
or
all
of
the
iterations
before
that,
as
shown
to
us?
No,
it
is
the
one
that
is
being
made
to
the
to
the
last
approved
to
the
last
amended
plan
as
to
one.
So
basically,
we
should
ignore
all
the
previously
approved
plans
and
just
focus
on
the
last
approved
plan.
Is
that
a
correct?
That's
correct?
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair
hi,
Edward
hi,
how
you
doing
sir
I'm
well!
Thank
you
Edward.
Do
you
have
sections
or
sight
lines
from
the
previously
approved
plan
showing
us
what
you
just
showed
us
from
the
condos
behind
you
can
go
back
and
look
for
those,
but
I.
Don't
have
them
on
my
presentation
tonight,
but
I
can
go
back
and
look
for
this,
so
my
understanding
is
in
the
pre.
B
B
Yes,
so
the
maximum
height
of
the
event
space
was
37
they're
about
feet,
not
as
high
as
what
is
being
proposed
at
this
point.
So
the
event
space
was
at
about
37..
Okay,
it
was
being
proposed
today
is
42
yeah,
correct
so
from
the
podium
will
be
44
feet:
high,
40.,
okay,
so
we're
going
from
37
to
44
in
a
highway
right
on
the
condos
on
the
north
side.
That
increase
goes
from
what
to
what
goes
from.
B
So
those
who
are
two
stories
and
three
stories
the
three
stories
we
are
going
to
be
37.9,
so
it's
going
from
37.9
to
52
feet
at
night,
39
to
52.,
correct.
Okay,
that's
all
I
have
at
this
time.
B
Are
there
other
questions
of
staff?
Commissioner
Elaine
the
things
I
had
a
couple
of
questions,
but
first
of
all
that
last
answer
kind
of
confused
me.
My
stamp
report
shows
that
the
event
space
was
previous
events.
Space
was
approved
at
24
feet,
not
37
Feet,
and
that
it's
going
from
24
feet
to
44
feet.
B
Maybe
Edward
you
can
clarify
yeah.
Let
me
take
a
quick
look
at
my
table.
B
And
yeah,
that's
where
I
was
I
was
pulling
it
off
at
the
table
in
the
static
board.
Yes,
yes,
you
are
right.
So
the
Farmhouse
and
event
house
has
a
maximum
height
of
24
feet,
2
inches
to
44..
So
it
is
the
not
dealer
that
is
38,
not
the
South,
not
this
happy.
Last
okay,
the
the
first
question
I
have
is
I
think
for
Mr
priest.
B
The
saline
project,
the
Dream
Hotel,
is
one
of
the
handful
of
four
or
five
projects.
Hotel
projects
around
town
that
have
been
termed
for
lack
of
any
better
terms,
stalled
projects
or
stalled
Hotel
projects
and
the
city
was,
and
the
city
attorney's
office
was
getting
involved
in
looking
at
those
projects
and
communicating
with
the
developers
what
was
required
for
them
to
do
in
order
to
keep
their
entitlements
in
place.
B
B
What
what
I
can
do?
Thank
you,
commissioner,
Madam
chair.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
echoing
what
you
know
the
director
had
mentioned
earlier
that
there
are
parallel
discussions
going
on
with
the
city
and
the
city
council
concerning
getting
this
project
moving
again,
getting
it
on
a
schedule
operating
parameters.
B
Those
discussions
are
ongoing.
This
entitlement
Amendment
is
consistent
with
moving
forward
with
those
discussions
that
that's
really
all
I
can
say
about
that.
But
this
is
part
of
the
bigger
picture
and
what
the
developer
is
pursuing
and
then
ultimately
We'll
be
asking
the
council
for
some
sort
of
amended
operating
and
development
agreement
consistent,
at
least
that's
what
the
applicant
is
seeking
here.
B
That
said,
I'll
Echo
the
director's
comments
and
indicates
that
you
know
your
mandate
this
evening
is
limited
to
the
land
uses
impacts
thereof
and
whether
you
can
make
the
findings
and
render
a
decision
on
this
PDD
amendment.
That
is
specifically
your
mandate
this
evening.
Things
concerning
how
the
hotel
will
operate:
Tax
Matters,
any
other
construction
or
operation
schedules.
Those
are
things
that
would
be
handled
by
any
ultimate
agreement
that
would
go
to
council.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
the
other,
the
other.
The
only
other
question
I
had
was.
I
L
L
Those
are
my
questions,
commissioner
maruti
yeah.
Thank
you
at
the
in
the
environmental
analysis
portion
of
Zap
report
it
it
states
that
in
2017
for
secret
purposes,
another
initial
study
was
conducted.
So
does
that
address
the
concern
that
the
neighbors
have
raised,
that
there
was
only
one
environmental
report
in
2007
when
when
there
actually
was
another
one
in
2017,
so
what
was
done
in
2017
is
called
an
addendum
to
the
to
the
mnd.
L
But
at
that
time
we
had
RZR
consultant
to
consider
all
the
same
issues
that
we
would
normally
consider
in
an
original
initial
study.
So
all
of
those
such
as
traffic
hydrology
Aesthetics
noise,
this
those
were
all
analyzed
at
the
same
time,
but
then
there
was
no
subsequent
one
for
the
2019
changes,
nor
for
the
current
request.
No
because,
as
we
say
in
Sequoia,
there
is
no
expiration
date
on
secret
documents
so
that
2017
is
still
regarded
as
a
SQL
controlling
document.
L
L
So
number
one
because
of
the
the
materials
and
looking
going
back
and
looking
at
the
plateau
and
that
that's
just
my
own
generic
review.
That's
a
very
causally
preliminary
review
that
hasn't
gone
before
before
the
arc.
They
may
have
a
difference
of
opinion
and
and
they
will
be
the
one
making
the
final
call,
but
that
was
just
based
upon
the
review
of
these
very
preliminary
design
that
was
presented
to
us
I'm.
L
Sorry,
that
seems
a
little
I,
don't
know
what
the
term
is
I
mean
it
says
to
read
by
Christopher
had
one
that
seems
to
be
unfair
because
he
hasn't
really
been
here
long
enough
to
have
made
a
judgment,
I
think
on
the
Improvement
of
the
architectural
design
standards.
So
we'll
just
have
to
take
that
as
your
opinion
and
that's
fine
I
had
questions
about
whatever
action
the
city
had
taken
in
terms
of
litigation
or
not
moving
forward
with
the
project,
but
I
guess
that's
all
into
consideration.
L
Are
there
other
questions?
I?
Have
commissioner
hirschbine
yeah
just
to
follow
up
on
the
height
differences
that
Vice
chair
Roberts
was
bringing
up
it
another
component
of
view,
corridors.
B
Is
the
distance
to
the
height?
So
now
we
know
it
was
24,
not
37
Feet
for.
E
E
That's
the
current
proposal
right,
correct,
yes,
and
then
how
far
away
was
the
event
space
because
of
the
the
height
different
differential
I'm,
assuming
that
it
would
have
been
higher
for
the
event
space
to
the
Center
Court,
no,
no
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
height
yeah
I'm.
Talking
about
the
distance
right.
How
far
away
is
the
event
space
from
the
units?
You
said
it's
124
feet
in
the
current
proposal,
but
the
previously
approved
one.
E
How
far
away
was
the
event
space
I
do
not
have
that
figure
before
me,
as
I
mentioned
to
the
vice
chair
earlier
I
do
not
have
the
can
you
measure
that
probably
take
other
questions,
okay
and
then
and
the
other
one
relates
to
the
North
Villas
you,
you
said
the
north
Villas
were
a
certain
height
I
think
you
said,
44.
K
L
I
Two-Story
units
in
in
the
approved
concept
design,
do
you
get
what
I'm
saying
so
it's
your
question
that
the
previous
approval
had
a
greater
setback
from
Senegal
to
the?
Is
that
your
question,
sir?
No!
The
point
is
that
the
the.
M
B
Yeah,
that's
true!
Okay,
thank
you.
So
I
have
some
questions:
measurements
in
those
previous
drawings
while
we're
well,
we
do
we
get
into
the
public
hearing
the
public
mentioned
that
the
parking.
D
D
A
Okay,
so,
okay,
let
me
show
you
these
floor
plans
right
here,
yeah,
because
I
don't
think
there
was
a
parking
analysis
in
our
staff
report.
Okay,
so
yeah!
So
as
you
can
see,
the
the
parking
are
all
in
tunnel
in
all
interior.
These
are
all
the
parking
spaces
for.
L
The
nut
Villas,
so
they
are
not
surface
parking,
so
that
was
not
and
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
12
12
condo
condo
units.
There
are
two
parking
spaces
per
unit:
there
are
24
parking
spaces
and
three
guest
parking
area
right
here
right
and
then
I
see
that
my
question
is
more
of
a
parking
analysis
in
the
previous
proposal,
because
I
think
we
should
have
had
that.
What
was
the
parking?
L
A
L
I
Previous
parking
provided
in
2019
was
289
the
total
packing
this
time
around
is
327.
so,
and
this
is
for
the
not
realize
going
to
decide
they
like
the
same
thing
that
I'm
just
I'm
looking.
A
Yes,
on
the
table
that
compares
the
2019
approved
project
to
the
proposed
Amendment.
A
Okay,
so
they
need
and
what
do
they
have
below
grade
below
be
low
grade
on
the
hotel
or
for
the
condo
units?
Well,
what
grade?
What
is
the
total
below
grade
parking
and
I
guess?
My
question
is
why
why
didn't
staff
require
that
parking
to
be
below
grade?
B
G
G
Or
for
the
residential
and
how
much
of
it
is
there
any?
It
looks
to
me
like
at
least
some
portion
of
it.
Maybe
two-thirds
of
it
could
be
parked
below
grade
that's
correct,
so
they
do
meet
their
required.
Cracking
each
unit
does
have
two
parking,
both
two
packing
spaces,
I'm
just
I'm,
looking
at
height
issues,
and
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
the
height
issues
is
that
we
have
a
podium,
a
parking
Podium
that
may
not
be
necessary.
So
that's
that's
really.
What
I'm
asking
is.
G
I
For
the
for
the
residential
use
and
additional
three
for
guest
parking
spaces.
I
Okay,
that's
that
begins
to
answer
my
question.
The
second
one
is
a
question
regarding
the
event
space.
You
showed
us
two
spaces
where
event
space
would
go
but
weren't
those
spaces
that
were
available
before
they're,
not
replacement
spaces,
the
one
in
the
tower
and
the
one
in
the
hotel.
That's
correct.
They've
always
been
part
of
the
Hotel
spaces
for
meetings
and
other
event
spaces.
So
we
haven't
added
new
event
spaces.
We
just
are
utilizing
previous
event,
spaces
correct,
that's
according
to
the
applicant
okay
and
then
for
the
Neighbors.
I
G
We're
story
polls
done
for
the
Neighbors
in
this
instance.
No,
it
wasn't,
it
was
not
ask
for
us
or
we'll
stop,
did
not
ask.
H
You
I
think
those
are
my
questions.
Commissioner.
Maruti
has
additional
questions.
There's
just
one
question
here
regarding
the
height
of
the
South
bill
is
looking
at
the
plans
to
say
SK
3
and
they
have
a
roof
height
of
50
feet
for
the
South
Villas
and
but
on
page
five
the
staff
reported
I
think
it
says
44
feet.
H
So
no
one
can
see,
am
I
not
reading
this
right.
No,
no!
So
going
back
to
this
going
back
to
this
exhibit
I'm,
showing
it
very
so
from
it
is
44
feet
from
the
finished
grid
and
50
feet
from
the
platform.
So,
as
you
can
see
here,.
B
Gives
you
50
feet
but
from
the
finished
grade
here
is
44,
and
that
this
this
exhibit
is
also
containing
the
package
that
you
have
so
there's
six
feet
above
grade
and
and
whatever
below
grade.
So
it's
it's
up.
How
much
of
this
platform
is
above
ground
above
grade.
B
L
B
And
it
doesn't
look
like
it's
measured
from
the
plant,
but
it
says
first
floor
is
zero
feet
and
then
it
says:
root
50
feet.
So
it's
not
exactly
as
you're
describing
in
the
other
section.
Drawing
all
I
can
say
here
is
go
by
dissectional
drawings
that
have
staff
reviewed,
and
this
is
what
it's
showing,
and
so
we
can
take
another
look
at
it,
but
I'm
looking
at
it
yeah
it's
a
bit
of
important
actually
because
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
main
concerns
of
the
neighbors.
B
B
We
can
take
that
up
in
discussion.
Commissioner
maruti.
M
Commissioner
Miller
is
that
a
hand,
or
it
is
yeah
and
I'm
I'm
gonna
pick
up
on
what
commissioner
emergency
just
brought
up
on
sk3,
the
and
I
don't
want
to
belabor.
This
I
know
that
you
want
to
move
on,
but
there
seems
to
be
an
error
on
those
plans
in
how
the
heights
are
referenced.
B
Floor,
there's
about
12
and
a
half
feet
from
floor
to
floor,
but
then
it
jumps
up
25
feet
from
the
third
floor
to
the
roof
and
the
horizontal
dashed
lines
depicting
the
height
are
equidistant
from
floors,
one
through
four.
So
there's
an
error
in
the
notation
on
plan,
SK
3
to
jump
from
25
feet
at
the
third
floor
to
50
feet
on
the
roof
and
showing
no
difference
in
the
in
the
horizontal
distance
between
them.
B
L
I'm
going
to
take
another
look
at
that
and
perhaps
ask
the
applicant
to
shed
more
lights
on
that.
The
reason
I
asked
for
a
section
drawing
is
to
be
more.
B
N
On
staff
Mr
Newell
can
help
you
find
the
sight
lines
from
the
ninth
the
2019
plans,
so
that
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
be
working
on
that,
while
comments
are
ongoing.
Thank
you
at
this
point.
There
being
no
more
questions
of
Staff.
The
public
hearing
is
open.
The
applicant
has
10
minutes.
N
Is
the
applicant
here
yes
I'm
here?
Thank
you
good
evening,
Commissioners
Madam,
chair.
There's,
a
lot
of
information
brought
up
that
I
want
to
answer
and
I
also
had
some
things.
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
you
heard
about
just
so
you
know
we've!
Some
of
you
have
worked
with
me
a
long
long
time,
so
I
am
as
frustrated
have
been
as
frustrated
as
many
of
you
and
seeing
this
come
back
over
and
over
again,
however,
we've
always
been
responding
to
the
market
in
regards
to
our
neighbors
and
their
comments.
N
Their
concerns
are
always
Paramount
in
our
discussions
with
the
architect,
and
we
have
made
every
effort,
as
we
did
on
the
hotel
being
170
feet
back
from
the
line
to
do
the
same
with
the
Condominiums
and
the
design
of
them
and
to
make
terracing
to
and
to
include
in
our
planning
to
landscape
those
Terraces
to
ensure
that
nobody
is
looking
at
a
big
blank
wall
and
to
allow
for
a
lot
of
landscaping
between
the
two
so
that
in
fact
it
remains
green.
N
If
you
remember
correctly,
when
the
event
space
were,
there
was
there,
we
had
I'm,
not
sure
I.
Think
it
was
50
parking,
parallel
parking
tandem,
parking
spaces
along
that
road,
along
with
a
road
which
is
no
longer
being
utilized
in
that
way,
and
we
have
made
sure
that
the
entrance
is
off
Caballeros
to
ensure
that
they
are
not
disturbed
by
The
Cars
For
Those
residents.
N
The
cost
to
doing
a
fully
submerged
garage
is
extraordinary
and
starts
to
put
the
pricing
of
things
so
I
know
that's
not
your
concern,
but
it
is
for
ours
as
a
developer,
out
of
sync,
with
what
the
market
can
bear
the
North
End
and
we
are
building
this
project
as
a
luxury
project.
The
North
End
was
redesigned
in
that
that
we
could
not
have
people
parking
in
the
garage
under
the
hotel
and
walking
through
the
grounds
of
the
hotel
to
their
Condominiums.
N
It
doesn't
make
any
sense,
and
we
had
all
kinds
of
parking
on
the
surface,
to
address
that
in
the
previous
plan,
and
we
have
now
addressed
it
by
building
a
Podium
that
is
enclosed,
including
over
the
top.
It
filtered
light
with
a
garden
such
that
they
have
their
own
garages,
which
are
garages
not
just
parking
spots
with
elevators.
The
previous
design
also
had
private
elevators
to
each
of
their
units,
so
that
is
not
anything
new.
N
N
N
We
are
building
a
luxury
condominium
and
luxury
hotel
product.
Our
conversations
with
the
city
has
required
additional
residential.
This
is
in
response
to
that
I'm,
not
sure
what
is
confidential
or
not
I
didn't
know
anything
of
it
was
confidential,
though
I
do
know
they
do
their
sessions
in
closed
session,
but
we
have
been
asked
to
include
and
expand
our
residential,
so
we
have
done
so
to
what
I
wanted
to
talk
about,
because
there's
a
lot
of
concern
about
the
project
having
been
stopped
over
the
last
number
of
years.
We.
B
E
Believe
is
completely
bogus
for
the
concrete
contractor
and
we
have
bonded
around
that
so
that
we
can
move
the
project
forward
and
we
maintain
that
Bond
so
that
we
are
unencumbered
by
that
we've
spent.
We
have
started
up
again
in
design.
We
have
engaged
our
engineering,
some
of
the
engineering
on
the
Civil,
our
architect
and
are
moving
the
project
forward.
Once
we
have
approvals,
we
know,
and
we
know
what
we're
able
to
build.
We
will
be
going
updating
our
civil
work
and
starting
the
Civil
work.
E
The
plan
is
to
start
the
Civil
work
towards
the
end
of
November.
We
think
we
can
get
through
Council,
generally
speaking
with
a
number
of
unit
count
Etc,
so
that
we
know
what
we
need
to
do
for
our
you
know
off-sites
and
on-sites
and
loads,
and
be
able
to
start
the
Civil
work.
Civil
work
is
about
seven
months.
The
plan
is
to
take
those
seven
months
and
complete
all.
N
N
We
never
had
the
same
engineer,
so
we
were
constantly
bombarded
with
previous
questions
that
should
have
been
brought
up
previously,
so
we've
determined
that
we're
going
to
submit
a
full
set
of
drawings,
not
only
corn,
shell,
but
the
entire
set
of
drawings
in
this
round,
which
will
be
completed
during
this
next
during
the
Civil
work,
so
that
when
we
pull
the
permit
it
we'll
just
construct
everything
we
have
certain
constraints
by
the
city.
C
On
the
various
elements
of
the
Project,
based
on
the
hotel
being
built
as
well,
so
I
think
that,
let's
see
I
wanted
to,
let
you
know
because
there's
always
a
conversation
in
the
community
about
our
lenting.
C
C
Doing
civil
work
and.
B
The
have
the
financing
secured
by
the
time
that
we
can
start,
which,
to
be
very
honest,
is
going
to
be
somewhere
around
June
of
next
year.
If
we
are
able
to
start
the
end
of
November
on
civil
work,
it'll
take
us
to
six
or
seven
months
that
I
indicated
we're
required
to
do
that
because
all
of
the
general
contractors
that
we've.
B
Let's
see,
we
there's
also
a
subject
about
we
I
was
questioned
prior
to
this
meeting
about.
Do
we
have
the
funds?
I
don't
know
if
you've
disclosed,
but
Lee
certainly
gave
you
the
amount
of
millions
of
dollars
that
have
been
spent
to
date,
and
we
expect
that
we'll
spend
as
much
as
12
million
dollars
over
the.
L
N
If
you
have
any
questions
of
them,
we've
tried
to
make
it
such
that
we're
not
moving
any
closer
than
what
was
previously
approved,
and
if
we
can,
we
have
moved
back
I.E
if
you've
seen
the
layered
effect
on
those
Condominiums.
We've
tried
to
make
sure
that
the
top
height
is
as
far
back
as
possible.
We
also
did
away
with
the
drop
off
on
a
motto
which
allowed
us
to
move
that
entire
condominium
project
South
closer
to
the
road,
because
we
don't
have
the
drop-off
area,
so
we've
made.
I
A
lot
of
accommodation
in
the
design,
I
think
throughout
this
whole
process.
We
have
always
listened
to
our
neighbors
and
have
done
our
best
to
try
to
accommodate
them,
but
we
are
building
within
the
PD
that
and
there
were
constraints
of
that
site.
What
was
originally
allowed
there,
both
from
Heights
and
densities
and
in
fact
we
have
reduced
it
dramatically
from.
N
I
think
I
wasn't
sure
if
I
could
get
through
all
this,
but
I
think
that's
kind
of
most
of
what
I
wanted
to
address
in
regards
to
the
parking
we
for
both
units
we're
over
parked
on
the
Southeast
Corner.
We
have
two
parking
spaces
for
each
unit
plus
we
have
20.
B
Additional
units,
we
have
not
reduced
the
parking
in
the
hotel,
but
if
you
remember
correctly
way
back
in
the
beginning,
the
city
wanted
to
make
sure
that
anybody
who
was
attending
the
convention
center
would
have
access
to
our
parking.
So
we
are
limited
to
valet
only
for
that
garage
and
that
we
have
not
changed
anything
with
that
garage,
so
that
is
still
available.
B
B
It
is
unfortunate
that
when
people
are
happy
and
pleased
to
get
what
is
coming,
that
they
don't
show
up
at
these
meetings,
but
that
that
none
of
that
has
changed
and
we
intend
to
still
build
a
beautiful
luxury
style
product
and
given
the
interest
that
we've
had
in
the
Condominiums,
we
believe
that
there
is
a
lot
of
demand
for
what
we
are
building
so
I.
Thank
you
for
listening
and
both
myself,
Iran
and
the
architectural
crew
is
here.
B
If
you
have
any
questions
any
of
us
questions
of
the
applicant-
and
this
will
please
stay
here-
and
if
people
would
like
to
hear
from
the
architect
as
well
or
the
financer,
are
there
any
questions.
B
I
have
one,
which
is
how
you
intend
to
utilize
the
hotel
without
the
additional
public
spaces
you
had,
that
is
sort
of
that's
a
question.
Have
you
changed
anything
in
the
front
of
the
hotel
in
the
entry
in
the
gardens
in
the
pool
area?
B
Is
that
all
the
same?
Are
there
any
changes?
Well,
there's
going
to
be
some
modification
to
the
Landscaping,
but
effectively.
No
all
of
that
area,
where
the
pool
is
where
the
front
lobby
outdoor
area
is
where
how
the
restaurant
sits
and
relates
to
all
of
those
outdoor
spaces,
Remains
the
Same
and
is
any
of
the
meeting
area.
The
new
meeting
area
in
that
space,
or
is
it
on
the
other
side
of
there
was
a
meeting
space
on
the
other
side
of
the
hotel
I.
B
Believe
yes,
so
you
I
think
that
that
you
were
given
a
little
bubble
diagram
where
two
meeting
spaces
were
one.
If
you
remember
I,
don't
know
if
you
ever
saw
the
inside,
we
had
a
very
large
co-work
area
that
can
serve
as
meeting
space
and
the
other
bubble
on
the
North
side,
which
is
in
the
first
floor
of
the
residential
Condominiums.
M
M
A
Of
this
be
available
for
short-term
rentals,
and
so
the
tower
will
be
available
and
we're
in
the
middle
of
trying
to
design
how
that
will
be
managed.
We
want
to
make
sure
it's
managed,
if
possible,
by
the
hotel
to
ensure
that
the
quality
of
it
remains
at
the
level
that
we're
building
the
project.
But
yes,
so
there
will
be
the
29,
which
is
why
we
went
to
29
units.
We
took
a
four
bedroom
and
we've
reduced
it
down
to
two
three
bedrooms.
A
A
So
so
that
will
be
rental,
probably
through
the
hotel
management
that
is
correct
and
then
the
North
and
South
Villas
will
be
for
sale
properties.
They
will
well
so.
B
Will
the
tower,
but
you
can
put
it
in
you-
can
rent
it
short
term
as
an
owner
and
so
and
but
and
all
three
condominium
pieces
will
have
access
to.
E
E
B
C
B
I
may
also
we
we've
had
the
applicants
speak
I
think
we
would
want
to
remain.
We
want
to
keep
public
hearing
open
in
case
any
other
members
of
the
public
want
to
speak.
Are
there
any
other
from
staff.
G
G
Hello,
can
you
hear
me
well,
yes,
hi
clayarel
here
architect
with
AB
Design
Studio
and
is.
E
Commissioner
maruti
was
it
the
the
sk3,
the
sk3
document
that
shows
Heights
of
50
feet
and
then
there's
the
ao2
a002
that
shows
44
feet.
We
didn't
understand
why
there
was
a
difference
and
and
specifically
you're,
looking
at
the
southeast
corner
of
the
property
yeah
great.
So
our
approach
on
that
project
was
to
do
a
partially
submerged
or
Subterranean
parking
area
for
parking.
E
Those
Villas
specifically
and
we've
gone
down
approximately
six
feet
and
we're
coming
out
of
the
ground,
approximately
five
or
six
feet
to
allow
for
a
parking
area
below
the
unit,
above
depending
on
where
you
take
your
height
limits
or
your
height
measurements,
you're.
B
I
I
B
To
variegate
the
height
and
the.
F
Make
sure
that
it
has
a
bit
of
action,
pull
and
a
little
bit
of
opportunity
for
Gardens
and
roof
Gardens
and
vegetation
and
things
of
that
nature.
So
you
might
find
a
little
discrepancy
between
the
two.
If
you
take
it
from
a
section
here
or
a
section,
there
But,
ultimately
we're
trying.
B
To
keep
the
mass
of
the
building
lower
a
certain
parts
to
allow.
A
A
More
yeah,
my
question
also
was
on
sk3
and
I.
Would
like
the
architect
to
further
sort
of
to
answer,
and
you
said
there
may
be
some
errors
or.
B
Differences
in
where
the
where
the
heights
were
taken,
but
so
this
is
essentially
a
three
and
a
half
story.
Project
I
can
understand
that
the
the
the
parking
level
is
half
submerged.
So
that's
the
half
level,
then
there's
three
condominium
levels
above
it
so
the
roof
on
sk3
plan
shows
50
feet
at
elevation
at
three
and
a
half
levels.
B
B
O
We're
trying
to
create
volume
within
each
individual
unit,
that's
above
the
parking
area,
so
the
fifth
there's
a
50-foot
line,
that's
from
the
partially
Subterranean
grade
to
the
top
hi.
This
is
Anil
here.
If
I
make
to
ask
one
thing,
the
the
two
sections
the
the
lower
section
is
through
the
Morse
somebody
is
speaking:
can
they
please
introduce
themselves?
O
This
is
Anil
from
AV
Design
Studio.
Can
you
put
yourself
on
camera?
Oh
sorry,
is
it
off?
Yes
here.
Thank
you,
of
course,
I'm.
Looking
at
the
sections
right
now
and
I
see,
the
lower
section
is
actually
through
building
the
Norse
Villas,
which
is
basically
the
park.
The
the
garage
and
three
stories
so
in
total
is
50
foot,
as
this
is
correct
and
the
South
Villas,
which
is
the
section
above
it
that's
where
we
actually
have
the
Huff
garage
underground,
so
the
north
Villas
is
on
great.
O
O
The
two
section
is
just
because
of
their
two
two
on
top
of
each
other.
It
might
be
a
little
bit
confusing,
but
this
is
with
two
sections
for
two
different
buildings:
I
I
have
a
question:
does
your
50
feet
and
your
44
feet
include
the
parapets,
because
the
drawing
on
sk3
only
indicates
the
roof.
It
does
not
indicate
the
parapet
height.
That's
for
the
roof.
Yes,
and
how
high
is
the
parapet,
then,
because
we're
not
really
interested
in
the
roof?
We're
interested
in
how
high
the
building
is
that
that's
a
good
question?
O
We
haven't
really
actually
went
through
the
details
of
the
parapets,
yet
it's
not
accessible
the
roof.
So
it's
going
to
be
more
mainly
mechanical
if
needed,
but
we
haven't
designed
it
yet,
but
I
mean
you're
the
architect.
What
are
you
thinking?
Five
feet
four
feet:
maybe
no!
The
minimum
pair
pit
height
here
would
because
of
because
we're
off
property
line
and
we're
set
back
far
enough.
We
could
do
probably
a
10
or
12
inch
pair
pit.
O
O
O
Well,
again,
we're
in
a
concept
here
so
right
now
we're
just
we're.
In
the
early
stages
of
this
we
haven't
gone
through
design
development.
We
haven't
designed
the
roof,
the
roof
assembly,
the
parapet,
Heights
and
all
that
those
things.
So
if
the
comment
is
to
keep
that
reduced,
we're
certainly
able
to
do
that.
O
Other
questions
for
the
architect
or
the
applicant
I
have
one
and
it's
a
question
is
Mr
priest.
If
you're
comfortable
with
my
asking
this
question,
the
applicant
said
that
the
city
required
them
to
do
additional
housing
units
I'd
like
to
I.
It
would
be
helpful
to
know
if,
as
we're
considering
this,
what
what
the
city
required.
O
What
I
can
say
is
this
is
part
of
the
discussions
that
are
going
on
with
the
city.
Nothing
has
been
formally
required
in
this
PDD,
but
negotiations
are
ongoing
and
this
is
part
of
those.
This
is
part
of
moving
the
possibility
of
this
forward
and
then
ultimately,
a
deal
may
be
concluded
here,
but
that's
all
I
can
say
at
this
time.
O
It's
just
a
little
unsatisfying,
since
we
know
that
it's
part
of
the
negotiation
part
of
the
negotiations.
That
is
true.
Thank
you.
There
being
no
more
questions.
The
public
hearing
is
closed.
The
matter
is
before
the
commission,
then
I'll.
Take
initial
comments.
I
see
Vice,
chair,
Roberts
and
then
I
see,
commissioner
hershbine.
O
Roberts,
oh
thank
you,
chair,
I'll,
I'll,
keep
my
comments.
Brief.
I
have
no
issue
with,
what's
being
presented
with
respect
to
design
or
percentages
of
housing
versus
Hotel.
O
I
do
have
grave
concerns
about
the
heights
of
the
new
additions
to
this
development.
The
condominium
complex
behind
this
has
been
taking
a
beating
for
years
with
this
development
in
terms
of
losing
its
view.
O
I
have
been
watching
this
project
for
years
because
of
my
participation
and
involvement
with
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
Over
the
years,
the
developer
has
tried
to
work
with
the
condominium
complex
to
maintain
some
of
their
view
lines.
My
concern
is
in
this
current
iteration,
that's
not
happening
what
few
fuel
lines
existed
are
are
being
taken
and
as
much
as
I
appreciate
additional
housing.
O
O
I
think
we
can
do
better.
I
think
that
this
development
can
find
other
areas
for
housing
without
sacrificing
what
little
view
is
left
for
the
Condominiums
behind
it
it.
It
could
be
that
they're
they're,
not
the
building,
simply
aren't
as
high
there
and
and
that
there's
more
of
a
spread
on
on
the
property
at
ground
level
itself.
O
It
could
mean
a
loss
of
hotel
rooms
and
that
some
of
those
hotel
rooms
are
part
of
that
large
larger
building
could
become
Condominiums,
but,
as
it's
being
presented,
I
have
real
concerns
on
The,
View
loss
and
that's
really
all
I
have.
There
seems
to
be
some
confusion
with
the
development
team
on
what
they're
doing
and
I
guess
that
they're
not
exactly
sure
yet
they're
coming
to
us
to
try
to
get
approval
for
these
additional
Heights
and.
B
A
With
that,
for
now,
commissioner
Hershman
yeah
I'd
like
to
take
a
step
back,
not
that
I
disagree
with
anything
Vice,
chair
Roberts,
said,
but
I'd
like
to
take
a
step
back,
I,
think
we're
premature
in
asking
and
for
the
city
to
ask
us
to
review
this
at
this
time.
I
think
we
should
be
reviewing
it
after
the
development
agreement.
M
A
A
We
could
say
yes
or
no,
and
then
there
could
be
more
units
required
if
and
then
what
they're
going
to
come
back
again
with
more
units,
I
I
think
it's
premature
I
think
we
should
table
this
until
there's
a
public
statement
about
the
state
of
the
negotiation
that
the
there's
an
agreement
to
a
number
of
units
to
a
specific
number,
and
then
we
can
back
into
what.
M
M
It's
premature
right
now.
It's
premature
for
us
to
review
it.
No!
No.
What
I
want
is
comments
from
the
rest
of
the
commission,
I'm
I'm.
Sorry
I
thought
you
were
asking
me
a
clarifier,
no,
no,
no,
no,
no
I!
What
I!
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
take
everybody's
comments
before
we
before
I.
Take
a
motion,
commissioner.
Irvin.
M
A
L
A
A
You
know
in
the
past,
with
previous
planning
commissions
produce
councils,
there
were
circumstances
where
Planning
Commission
was
really
just
a
step
to
get
to
the
city
council
that
you
know
whatever
we
decide
whatever
the
commission
decided
at
that
time
wasn't
really
as
relevant
as
what
the
city
council
was
ultimately
going
to
do.
So
perhaps
this
is
an
example
where
the
city
is
just
trying
to
move
it
forward
through
the
Planning
Commission,
so
that
then
the
city
can
address
all
of
these
concerns,
as
well
as
whatever
they've
been
negotiating
I.
A
Don't
like
that
concept
and
I,
don't
know
if
I
agree
with
it.
In
fact,
I
don't
think
I
do
so
we'll
have
to
see
what
what
the
various
motions
are,
but
it
just
seems
like
it's
being
rushed
through
so
then
the
council
can
go
ahead
and
deal
with
all
of
these
issues
in
total
I.
Don't
know
if
that's
just
me,
but
that's
what
it
seems
like.
M
Other
other
comments,
commissioner,
Miller
yeah
I,
would
I
would
say
I'm
not
sure
that
I
would
agree
that
this
is
premature.
I
mean
the
applicant
has
come
forward
with
a
proposed
amendment
and
we,
as
the
Planning
Commission,
are
being
asked
to
review
that
and
I
think
that's
fine.
The
fact
that
there's
going
to
be
changes
to
the
development
agreement
is
going
to
happen
at
city
council,
whether
we
review
this
now
or.
A
Not
but
I
don't
think
we
need
to
necessarily
hold
up
our
action
tonight
for
that
issue
itself.
B
I
do
agree
with
Vice
chair
Roberts
that
there
is
a
height
issue,
but
I
think
that
could
be
relatively
easily
addressed
the
developer's
not
going
to
like
what
I'm
going
to
suggest.
But
I
think
this
would
address
the
height
issue.
O
They
would
lose
I
think
four
units
at
that
upper
level,
but
that
would
further
bring
the
four
level
part
of
the
building
or
the
three
and
a
half
level
part
of
the
building.
Further
much
further
away
from
that
existing
one
and
two-story
condominium
such
that
their
View
and
their
light
and
air
would
be.
You
know,
less
impacted.
M
That
being
said,
there's
only
so
much
we
can
do
because
Center
Court
is
one
level
with
four
of
their
units
having
two-story
extensions
I
assume
their
bedrooms.
On
the
second
floor,
the
fact
is
anything
of
two
stories
or
more
here
on
the
site
is
going
to
have
an
impact
to
their
views
and
I
I.
Don't
think
anyone
at
the
city
is
suggesting
that
a
one-story
building
is
what
is,
is
all
that
is
allowed
on
this
site?
This
is
almost
downtown.
M
It's
across
from
three-story
Seoul,
it's
across
from
the
40
or
50
foot
high
Convention
Center.
For
me
personally,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
three
and
a
half
levels,
fronting
a
motto:
Road
and,
of
course
the
hotel
is
taller
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site,
but
I
do
have
an
issue
with
the
three
and
a
half
story
portion
of
these
condos
being
as
close
to
Center
Court
as
they
are
so
my
suggestion
would
be
to.
O
Or
reconfigure
the
others
to
to
make
the
difference
and
I
think
that
satisfies
me
from
a
high
perspective.
F
Would
want
to
cut
off
the
one
on
the
it's
on
the
third
level
floor
plan.
These
are
for
the
South,
the.
B
Plan
and
the
streets
aren't
on
it.
Is
it
the
one
on
a
motto
or
the
one
on
Caballeros?
Well,
it's
well,
it's
the
the
two.
O
Buildings!
What
what
if
you
look
at
sheet.
B
And
that's
at
the
top
of
that
page.
Essentially,
there
are
four
units
that
are
closest
to
the
Center
Court
Condominiums
and
I'm,
suggesting.
O
That
if
those
four
were
eliminated
and
I
know
that's
very
painful
to
for
a
developer
to
hear
again,
they
might
be
able
to
reconfigure
things
such
that
they
don't
lose
that
four
in
number.
But
it's
that
bulk,
that
is
up
there,
that
has
I
believe
the
most
impact
to
Center
Court
and
if
those
were
either
eliminated
or
reconfigured,
to
be
pulled
even
further
away
from
that.
What
is
essentially
the
north
property
line.
At
that
point,.
B
I,
just
don't
know
what
street
you're
next
to
and
I'm
sorry
yeah
can
you
it
is
it?
Are
you
looking
at
the
street
next
to
the
projects
next
to
a
motto?
No,
it's
that
it's
not
next
to
a
street.
It's
in
my
view,
there's
not
an
issue
with
the
height
along
Amato
Road!
No!
No!
No,
but
is
it?
Is
it
adjacent.
H
H
Well,
it's
between
the
hotel
and
Avenida
Caballeros
on
the
north
side
of
the
building
in
the
south
east
corner
of
the
site,
yeah
I!
Think!
If
you
go
to
sk1,
do
you
have
that
sk1
yeah?
It's
a
different
group
of
drawings,
but
I'm,
not
sure
you're,
referring
to
the
building
that
is
at
the
corner
of
Caballeros
and
a
motto
correct?
Is
that
the
the
yes
but
I'm
talking
about.
P
Okay,
it's
on
drawing
sk1,
it's
the
first
big
drawing.
It
shows.
Okay,
go
to
a
0.01
on
your
packet,
okay,
I'm
at
a
0.01
in
the
bottom
right
hand,
corner
is
the
condominium
building
you're
talking
about
okay,
the
24
unit
building
and
then
what
commissioner
Miller
is
talking
about?
That's
actually,
you
could
say
it's
two
buildings,
I,
don't
know.
Technically,
maybe
it's
not,
but
there's
two
halves
to
that
building
and
he's
talking
about
the
northern
half
of
that
building.
P
And
you
don't
think
that
there's
the
same
issue
on
the
12
unit,
condo
I,
do
I
do
on
the
east
side
of
that.
Yes,
because
because
I
see
it
in
the
back
buildings
on
both
of
them,
because
what
we
approved
was
a
two-story
building
there
and
now
it's
a
50-foot
plus
parapet.
B
B
Well,
I
I
disagree
with
you
to
one
degree,
commissioner:
I
think
that
the
number
of
condominiums
or
the
number
of
hotel
rooms
is
really
irrelevant
here.
It's
more
the
impacts,
there's
other
places
to
put
Condominiums.
A
O
I'm
in
commissioner
lion,
I
would
just
offer
that.
B
I
am
in
pretty
solid
agreement
with
both
Vice
chair
Roberts
and
with
commissioner
Miller.
As
far
as
my
only
concern
with
what
is
proposed
is
on
the
new
condo
units
that
are,
you
know,
roughly
twice
and
twice.
B
A
Since
this
is
up
PDD
and
since
we're
not
that
it
is
something
that
could
be
approved,
I
think
that
our
job
as
a
Planning
Commission
is
to
look
out
for
best
interests
of
the
community
and
I.
Think
that
in
this
case,
we
are
ignoring
the
interests
of
long-standing
neighborhoods
and
that,
while
there
could
be
a
compromise
reduction
of
some
number
of
units
that
it
is
not
appropriately.
D
Appropriate
that
we
just
plain
approve
what
is
in
the
interest
of
one
party,
and
that
is
the
developer
at
the
expense
of
our
of
the
The
Neighbors
in
the
existing
neighborhood
I
I
personally
could
support
the
proposed
changes
if
the
height
is
lowered
on
the
east
side
of
the
north
condos.
A
D
On
the
north
side
of
the
South
condos,
so
that
there
is
a
little
bit
more
stepping
I
understand
that
the
design
has
added
some
space
and
light
to
the
buildings,
but
it's
principally
on
the
interior
and
it
benefits
it
would
benefit
the
new
condo
owners.
If
you
look
at
the
massing
of
the
architecture
on
sk2,
I
I
would
have
a
hard.
O
Time
saying
that
that
is
Airy
or
light
or.
C
B
I
With
them
in
good
faith
and
I
do
think
it
has
significant
impacts,
so
those
recommendations,
work
for
me,
I'm
I
feel
a
little
I.
L
I
Into
this,
knowing
that
the
console
is
negotiating
the
number
of
units-
and
this
is
this
being
sent
to
us
so
that
we
kind
of
get.
B
And
making
that
as
a
recommendation,
I'm
I
will
vote
for
it.
If
someone
would
like
to
craft
the
motion,
commissioner.
F
Roberts
or
our
commissioner
Miller
well.
B
It's
it
would.
It
would
be
my
feeling
that
this
isn't
quite
baked
all
the
way
and
if,
if
we're
talking
about
peeling
off
some
significant
portions
of
the
third
levels
on
two
two
portions
of
the
building
on
the
north
east
and
the
south
in
the
Southeast
and
the
northwest
I
think
this
commission
needs
to
see
the
revised
plans.
Certainly
for
me,
I
would
want
to
see
revised
plans
showing
that
before
I'm
ready
to
move
a
plan
forward.
B
I
I
C
Actually,
three
one
approach
would
be
has
been
has
been
suggested,
which
would
be
to
continue
this
item
until
the
council
takes
action.
I
don't
know
that
that
is
necessarily
the
the
best
route
to
go
in
this
case,
I
believe
that.
I
There
is
interest
on
the
part
of
the
Council
that
this
eventually
moved
forward.
That
said,
the
other
two
options
you
have
is
you
could
recommend
approval
and
just
note.
G
I
That
you'd
be
finding
that
it
is
detrimental
to
adjacent
Properties
or
residents
and
therefore,
and
possibly
finding
for
as
well
about
the
site
being
adequate
sized
shape
to
accommodate
the
density
or
intensity.
If
you
believe
it's
going
to
revolve,
Too
Tall,
a
building
I
believe
you
could
also
say
that
finding
four
cannot
and
then
you
would
be
recommending
against
the
PDD.
It
would
be
appeal
to
the
city,
council
and
the
city
council
would
still
make
ultimately
the
final
decision
on
that.
I
B
B
F
On
the
condominium
complex
behind
it,
we
have
no
issue
with
style.
We
have
no
issue
with
the
number
of
units.
We
have
no
issue
with
coverage,
we
simply,
but
we
have
grave
concerns
about
impacts,
and
if
we
were
to
act
on
this,
we
would
deny.
I
B
To
recommend
a
denial
of
the
PDD
Amendment,
expressing,
of
course,
the
commission's
thoughts
about
Heights
impact
on
Visual,
and
you
know
access
things
like
that,
but
it
would
be
a
PDD,
Amendment
denial
recommendation.
B
My
only
concern
with
going
in
with
a
denial
is
that
the
council
not
fully
understand
our
concern.
Our
current.
We,
we
don't
have
a
big
issue
with
this
project.
We
have
a
rather
small
issue
and
it's
it's
fixable
and
my
concern
is
if
we
simply
send
an
action
of
a
denial,
the
council
will
see
us
as
having
denied
it
and
gives
them
the
opportunity
to
flip
it
without
solving
the
problem.
B
B
You
know
until
I
sit
down
with
the
architect
and
figure
out
how
we
can
modify
Heights.
You
know
we
thought
we
were
addressing
the
concerns
that
you've
brought
up,
because
those
are
always
Paramount
in
our
thinking,
which
is
why
we've
done
the
terracing
and
moving
everything
back
towards
the
center
of
the
project,
where
it's
only
at
the
center
of
those
Southeast
condos
on
those
couple
of
units
where
you
have
that
height
and
the
rest
of
them
are
much
lower
and-
and
you
can
see
that
in
the
tarot
thing
in
the
section.
B
The
comment
about
that
there's
plenty
of
other
space
to
build
Condominiums
is
absolutely
inaccurate.
The
way
the
garage
is
designed
and
the
space
and
the
setbacks
that
are
required
of
us,
because
we
did
look
at
trying
to
add
Condominiums
in
the
whole
open
area
on
the
west
side
of
the
hotel,
and
it
was
not
possible
to
do
so.
So
we
have
tried
to
look
at
ways
to
accommodate
the
impact
to
our
neighbors
and
we
did
the
same.
B
Everything
is
just
two
bedroom
for
exactly.
This
reason
is
to
try
to
get
in
the
number
of
units
that
we
know
that
we
can
sell,
because
you
can't
really
look
at
it
by
square
footage,
and
that
is
limited
Us
in
the
size
of
those
units,
but
Clay
is
available.
Clay
can
maybe
speak
to
whether
or
not
we
can
do
some
of
these
modifications
to
the
existing
building.
B
Certainly,
on
the
north
side
of
the
southeast
corner,
I
think
that
the
north
side,
because
of
how
it's
located
against
all
their
open
space
I,
don't
know
that
that's
as
necessary,
the
three
condominiums
or
four
condominiums
that
are
one
story
along
that
Western
Wall
of
Center
Court
are
all
looking
out
on
the
hotel
side.
B
Primarily,
so
we
adjusted
already
all
those
setbacks
for
that
to
allow
them
a
view
of
the
mountains
without
the
hotel
being
right
in
their
face.
So
I
don't
know
that
the
north
needs
that
accommodation
just
to
say
but
clay
if
you're,
okay
with
Clay
speaking,
he's
the
architect,
he
can
better
address
that.
Please
yeah!
Thank
you.
B
I
I've
spent
some
time
analyzing
this
with
our
team,
and
what
we've
mentioned
is
to
the
north
of
our
South
Eastern
part
of
the
property,
which
seems
to
be
in
some
discussion,
the
the
that
those
units
is
about
five
units
to
the
South
and
most
of
those
are
garages
and
then
what
appears
to
be
a
second
story
bedroom,
so
most
of
that
project
that
we've
seen
tend
to
be
more
inward,
focused
to
the
Courtyard
that
is
in
between
there.
B
So,
as
an
architect,
you
know
we're
going
to
look
at
that
and
evaluate
whether
or
not
a
big
view
impact,
and
is
there
a
view
impact?
There
probably
is,
if
you
look
at
it
from
today
and
there's
nothing
there
and
you
look
at
it
from
tomorrow
and
there's
something
there.
So
certainly
it
will
change
But.
B
Ultimately,
what
we've
seen
is
what
is
facing
our
project
from
the
like
facing
our
project
to
the
South
is
that
is
a
driveway
and
garages
that
are
serving
those
units
and
most
of
the
unit
seem
to
face
inward
to
the
projects
that
they
are
a
part
of
and
not
outwardly
the
views
and
and
other
things.
So
it's
been
our
approach
as
an
Architecture
Firm
to
not
just
study
that
and
understand
that,
but
to
try
to
respect
it
so
pull
the
buildings
apart.
B
B
So
again,
the
product
to
the
north
of
us
is
looking
inwardly
and
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
our
project
is
not
obliterating
their
views
entirely
to
the
best
we
can,
but
again
we're
trying
to
develop
a
project
that
we'll
have
you're,
not
answering
I
I
yeah
I
I
want
to
just
interrupt
I.
Think
that
the
end,
what
you're
looking
for
is,
are
we
willing
to
look
at
it?
I'm
always
willing
to
look
at
everything.
B
I
want
everybody
to
be
happy
with
it,
and
I
also
want
to
build
a
project,
and
part
of
it
is
the
true
damn
facts
of
it
all
excuse.
My
cut.
My
use
of
that
language
is
that
hotel
financing
is
very,
very
difficult
and
we
have
been
adding
residential
to
try
to
make
sure
that
we
can
get
it
built
this
time
and
not
without
any
delays
but
I'm,
certainly
willing
and
I
believe
ownership
would
be
willing
to
sit
down
and
figure
out
how
we
can
do
it
whether
we
have
to
eliminate
four.
B
Maybe
we
can
eliminate
two
and
create
some
view
quarters,
but
I'm
happy
to
look
at
that:
I'm,
not
adverse
to
that
and
I
and
I
think
that
through
the
history
of
this
project,
we've
done
all
kinds
of
things
to
accommodate
our
neighbors,
including
replacing
all
of
their
windows.
So
they
wouldn't
be
affected
by
noise.
So
if
you
are
making
a
recommendation
that
we
review
that
that
and
try
to
eliminate
some
of
the
height
or
create
more
view
quarters
through
that
I'm
completely
willing
to
do
that.
B
Absolutely
that's
what
we're
looking
for
what
concerns
mean?
What
I'm
hearing
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
defensiveness
of
what
you've
done,
yeah,
what
we?
What
we're
looking
for
here
is
for
you
to
bring
the
heights
back
down
on
the
condo
buildings.
There
are
ways
of
doing
that.
I
know
that,
and
you
know
that
you
and
I
have
known
each
other
a
long
time.
We're
asking
you
to
find
we're,
not
asking
you
to
eliminate
any
square
footage.
B
B
Is
that
on
the
north
side
of
the
southeast
corner,
you
want
me
to
look
at
trying
to
reduce
those
Heights
on
just
those
units
on
this
north
side,
because
the
building
is
a
kind
of
a
square
or
you
right
so
and
I
think
that
at
the
end
of
the
U,
it's
not
actually
that
tall.
It
goes
up
and
down
quite
a
bit,
as
does
the
north
side,
but
you
want
me
to
look
at
that
very
top
layer
and
see
if
we
can
at
a
minimum
population.
B
B
Side
I
would
request,
because
I
think,
if
you
really
look
at
how
it
lines
up
with
what
it
lines
up,
we
are
not
in
front
of
any
condos
on
the
North
side
and
to
reduce
one
building
and
not
the
other
week,
we're
ending
up
starting
to
reduce
the
count
and
the
building
trying
to
redesign
that
unless
we
submerge
the
garage
a
little
so
that
we
can
reduce
Maybe
by
six
or
eight
feet,
but
but
that
North
Side
really
is
positions
where
their
driveway
is
so
I.
B
Don't
know
that
size
is
critical
as
what
we're
addressing
on
the
south
side
and
I'm
happy
to
look
at
that
and
I'm
willing
to
figure
it
out
how
we
can
do
it
for
sure
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
defensive.
I
just
know
how
much
effort
we
put
into
trying
to
accommodate
it
already
so,
but
I
will
do
that
on
the
south.
B
I
would
request
that
it
not
be
on
the
north,
because
I
don't
think
it's
as
it
has
the
impact
that
everybody
is
thinking
that
it
does
I
think
it's
on
the
south
side
of
those
condos
that
the
problem
is
so
I
share,
I'm,
suggesting
that
we'll
remand
this
back
to
the
city
council,
with
our
recommendations
that
the
view,
impacts
or
height
impacts,
be
reduced
on
both
condominium
requests.
B
I
think
if
we,
if
we
do
anything
more
than
that,
if
we
do
a
denial
I,
don't
want
to
do
it
in
aisle
I,
don't
want
to
do
it
in
denial.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
good
idea
here!
Madam
chair,
if
I
met
I'm
looking
at
the
code
right
now,
the
code
does
give
the
commission
the
option
to
recommend
approval
approval
with
conditions
or
denial.
So
if
it's,
the
commission's
preference
I
suppose
you
could
recommend
approval
with
conditions
about
concerns
for
height
as
discussed
foreign.
B
B
B
So
would
you
like
to
bring
that
back
to
us
in
two
weeks?
I'd
rather,
have
you
make
it
a
condition?
I'll
tell
you
why
I
have
a
schedule
and
I'm
sorry
to
keep
bringing
this
up,
but
I
have
a
schedule
I'm
supposed
to
be
keeping
and
I
know
I'm
not
supposed
to
be
talking
about
my
discussions
with
the
city,
but
unless
they
are
fine
with
me,
just
delaying
I
cannot
update
the
Civil,
which
is
what
I
mentioned
until
I
know
my
count.
B
If
I
know
my
Count's
going
to
be
24,
less
I
can
at
least
do
the
civil
I
I
mean
I
can
certainly
bring
it
back
with
blocking,
but
I
I
can
also
do
it
as
conditioned
and
I
can
work
on
it
to
do
that.
B
I
understand
what
the
it's
up
to
you,
I'm
I'm
kind
of
open
to
other
I
would
rather
not
we're
trying
to
get
some
momentum
moving
forward.
But
if
you
want
me
to
come
back
we'll
come
back
Lori.
This
has
been
dragging
around
for
15
years.
I,
don't
think
two
more
weeks
is
going
to
make
a
difference.
Why
don't
you
sit
down
with
your
team?
B
B
And
I
would
like
to
encourage
that
when
the
development
team
takes
a
look
at
this,
keep
in
mind
that
the
only
audience
that
the
neighboring
HOA
is
not
the
only
audience
and
if
it's
not
visible
from
their
view
windows
and
it's
out
their
back
door
or
out
where
they're
we're
in
the
parking
areas.
B
It
is
still
the
area
that
we're
talking
about
or
that
I'm
talking
about
right
now,
which
is
the
up
as
we
get
to
the
North
End
of
the
north
development
anywhere
along
the
the
other
audience
is
the
community
at
large
who
looks
at
looks
at
the
development
from
the
street
and
when
there
is
a
jarring
and
abrupt
Heights
change,
it
stands
out
and
it
does
not
assimilate
well
into
the
community.
So
as
you're
taking
a
look
at
that.
B
B
I
I
I'd
also
like
to
say
my
experience
with
the
view
of
the
mountain
is
I
have
a
view
of
the
mountain
when
I
walk
out
my
front
door,
which
I
do
every
day,
I
don't
have
a
view
from
my
living
room
or
my
back
patio
of
the
mountain
but
I
enjoy
that
view
of
the
mountain
when
I'm,
when
I'm
walking
out
to
my
car
or
walking
the
street
or
doing
some
work
in
the
front,
and
just
because
it's
not
visible
from
your
living
room
doesn't
mean
it's
not
important
to
the
people
that
live
there.
B
So
I
think
we've
come
to.
The
motion
would
be
to
come
back
to
us
in
two
weeks
with
some
walking
understanding
what
we
have,
what
we've
requested
and
we
would
continue
it
continue.
This
item
for
two
weeks
is
that
the
motion
you
want
to
make
commissioner
Roberts
that's
the
motion.
Do
we
have
a
second
commissioner?
B
A
second?
So
we
have
a
motion
and
a
second
all
in
favor.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call?
Please
I'm.
Sorry
I
missed
you
who
was
the
second
commissioner,
okay,
so
sure
Vice,
chair
Roberts?
Yes,
commissioner
Elaine?
Yes,
commissioner
Irvin?
Yes,
commissioner
hershbein.
Yes,
commissioner
Miller.
Yes,
commissioner
maruzzi,
yes
and
chairwoman,
yes,
Madam,
chair
real
quick,
so
this
is
continue
to
a
bit
certain,
so
a
new
phn
would
not
be
required
and
the
the
emotion
has
has
passed
unanimously
when
we
get
this.
B
Right,
I,
don't
have
it
here,
so
I'll
include
my
package.
Thank
you
all
right,
hey
can
we
have
a
five
minute?
How
about
a
10
minute?
Okay,
I
need
a
I
need
10
minutes,
okay,
752!
Yes,
thank
you
before
you
leave
I'm
gonna
call
you
tomorrow
about
our
sub
Community
I!
Need
you?
Oh
yes,
yes,
yes,
yes,
I
know
I've
been
thinking
about
that
too.
Yes,
please
got
time.
Yes,
yes!
So
maybe
when
we
talk
tomorrow,
maybe
we
can
find
a
date
next
week.
Yes,
okay,
all
right
have
a
great
evening.
B
B
B
B
B
Okay,
are
we
all
set?
Do
you
need
only
one
one
slide
showing
you've
got
two.
B
Kids,
perfect,
very
good,
so
as
Madam
chair
already
announced
the
CRA
cre
management
at
180,
East,
Palm
Canyon
for
the
application
of
a
cup
and
oup.
B
The
cup
is
for
the
use
of
a
cocktail
lounge
required
by
the
zoning
code
due
to
the
non-conforming
parking
situation.
As
you
can
see
on
the
left
here,
the
area
view
of
the
subject
property
these
businesses,
very
small
business
business
spaces-
are
in
a
very
pedestrian-oriented
environment
and
virtually
no
one
has
parking
and
the.
So
that's
what
the
oup
is
for
to
request
parking
waiver,
they
they
okay.
B
So
this
is
the
proposed
interior
floor
plan
and
they
are
also
proposing
the
addition
of
a
rooftop
deck
to
maximize
The
Pedestrian
environment
is
ultimately
the
goal
and
they're
adaptive
and
then
also
I
do
have
to
mention
that
it
is
a
very
creative
adaptive
or
use
of
those
of
the
commercial
space
and
considering
what
we
have
in
our
next
slide
will
really
give
a
commercial
building.
That's
been
sitting
there,
a
nice
uplift
and
addition
to
the
to
this
block
of
that
South
Punk
Canyon,
or
rather
Southeast
Palm,
Canyon
crew,.
B
So
here
we're
looking
at
an
section
of
the
edition
of
the
rooftop
patio
improvements
from
the
rear
alley
on
the
back
side
of
the
building
and
a
also
yeah
there's
a
small
quarter,
space
between
the
neighboring
shop,
the
ice
cream
shop
and
the
this
tenant
space.
That
will
also
benefit
from
this
remote.
B
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
use
of
the
materials
will
significantly
improve
this
space
and
with
a
with
the
addition
of
the
of
the
very
popular
roll-up
Glassdoor,
it's
really
going
to
provide
a
nice
amount
of
white
and
visibility
for
the
new
business
and
really
add
again
to
the
aesthetic
of
The
Pedestrian
environment
here,
which
is
ultimately
the
the
applicant's
goal.
B
Question
yes,
I
generally,
like
what
I
see
my
concern
and
I
don't
see
it
addressed
in
the
staff
report
or
my
question
is
deals
with
pedestrians
crossing
the
street
over
the
years.
There's
a
long
history
of
people
getting
healed,
hit
and
killed
on
that
particular
curve.
People
get
moving
quickly,
there's
not
a
long
line
of
sight
and
bad
things
happen
so
and
I
know
that
there
have
been
some
changes
made
in
recent
years
to
add
pedestrian
Crossings
or
to
facilitate
that
and
to
try
to
make
the
area
safer.
B
B
Can
you
alleviate
my
concerns,
or
can
you
tell
me
what
the
history
can
you
put
any
numbers
behind
the
frequency
with
which
people
get
hit
on
that
curve
and
how
that
may
or
may
not
have
changed
hopefully
improved
since
the
addition
of
some
of
the
chocolate
safety
conditions
I
would
have
to
I
would
have
to
look
into
some
research
research
on
that
because
I,
don't
know
answer
I.
Don't
have
that
right
here,
as
you
have
noted
that
they
have
made
the
crosswalk
improvements,
as
you
can
see
in
this
area.
B
So
that
would
help
significantly
yes
you're
right
people
are
they
have
a
tendency
to
jaywalk,
especially
because
they're
smart
on-site
parking,
yes
I
would
ask
if
anyone
from
the
city's
engineering
department
might
be
available
and
have
any
additional
information
on
this,
but
I
suspect
that
that
crosswalk
was
installed
in
part
to
alleviate
those
concerns.
B
Whether
the
data
supports
an
improvement
or
not,
we
would
have
to
get
back
to
you
on,
but
I'm,
not
sure
anyone
from
engineering
that
might
be
able
to
provide
a
little
more
insight
on
that
hello,
chair,
Commissioners,
American
engineering
I
do
not
have
any
data
for
you
to
support
any
of
that.
The
crosswalk
improvements
are,
you
know
pretty
close
to
that
building,
but
I
would
have
to
do
some
more
research
and
get
back
to
you.
B
B
B
B
I've
spoken
with
the
applicant
myself
and
the
goal,
if
there
hasn't
been
an
ultimate
decision
on
whether
there
would
be
Amplified
music
to
the
outdoor
spaces
or
not,
but
the
goal
of
the
applicant
would
be
for
it
to
be
just
as
the
condition
reads.
The
adenos,
the
music
or
any
Amplified
music
would
be
at
a
level
at
a
level
that
anyone
could
have
a
normal
conversation.
Their
the
goal
of
this
cocktail.
Lounge
is
just
that
to
have
it
be
a
soft
calm,
quieter,
much
quieter
environment
and
not
a
club.
B
B
That
would
not
be
a
decision
that
I
make
I
would
be
confirmed
with
my
staff
and,
of
course,
the
applicant
and
certainly
I.
Look
for
Chris's
Direction
right
I.
Think,
commissioner
Miller
from
our
perspective
that
the
condition
wasn't
added,
because
the
city
does
have
a
noise
ordinance
which
would
regulate
Amplified,
music
and
outdoor
spaces.
Such
as
that,
but
if
the
commission
did
feel
that
you
know
additional
safeguards
needed
to
be
put
in
place
through
the
conditions,
I
believe
that
would
be
your
prerogative.
B
My
concern
is
that,
just
simply
across
the
alley,
which
is
10
or
12
feet,
wide,
there's
apartment
buildings
and
you
know
I-
think
the
rooftop
deck
has
the
ability
to
have
an
impact
without
music
or
Amplified
music
but
I.
Obviously,
we
can't
stop
people
from
Talking
up
on
a
rooftop
deck,
but
I
think
it.
From
my
perspective.
B
It
makes
sense
to
have
a
condition
that
would
prohibit
Amplified
music
up
there,
because
it's
a
great
looking
space
right
in
Great
Space
for
a
guitar
player
to
be
up
there,
you
know
doing
some
tunes,
but
that's
when
it
really
becomes
an
impact
where
there
shouldn't
be
any
impact.
I
think
these
are
still
questions
so
I
I'm,
assuming
you'll,
add
this
as
a
condition
when
we
get
yeah.
B
Are
there
other
questions
yeah
here?
Oh
I'm.
Sorry,
commissioner
Maritza
hi
this.
The
first
question
is
that
that
gate
that
blocks
the
the
corridor
between
the
ice,
cream
and
crippery
and
this
building
currently
that's
open,
because
there's
some
seating
areas
in
there
would
that
be
blocked
off
that
looked
like
it
from
the
the
rendering
we
saw.
B
Right
now,
it's
pretty
much
open
during
the
day
when
the
businesses
are
open,
it'd,
be
a
shame.
If
that
was
I
would
think
they
would
be
unhappy
to
crepery,
since
it's
the
only
access
you
can
get
except
from
the
rear.
We
can
ask
that
question
of
the
applicant
and
then
the
other
question
is
regarding
the
parking
issue.
B
Two
doors
down
or
Three
Doors
Down
is
a
a
wine
bar
in
in
a
I.
Think,
a
regular
body
combination
they've
been
there
for
a
number
of
years.
The
Beast
who
would
compete
and
have
almost
the
same
audience
parking,
is
a
real
problem.
Around
there,
I
mean
Mirasol
solves
it
somewhere
with
the
parking
that
they
have
to
the
north
and
also
to
the
east,
but
also
people
park
across
the
street
on
the
North
side.
B
B
B
Rosie
there's
an
acknowledgment
that
this
is
a
historic
part
of
the
city
that
does
you
know
these.
Existing
commercial
structures
that
are
historic,
do
have
deficient
parking
under
today's
standards
and
there
were
specific
exceptions
written
to
the
zoning
code
to
accommodate
that.
So
the
decision
you
know
is
before
the
Planning
Commission
on
whether
the
land
use
permit
is
appropriate
for
this
location.
But
in
our
opinion
it
does
meet
the
criteria
that
we're
outlined
in
the
zoning
code.
She
specifically
addressed.
B
You
know
these
small
historic
businesses
that
don't
have
the
ability
to
add
additional
parking
to
make
sure
that
they
can
still
operate
as
commercial
spaces
and
serve
the
community.
So
you
know
it's
in
the
report
what
those
conditions
are,
but
in
our
opinion
this
is
a
small
existing
building.
It
existed.
You
know
prior
to
2014,
which
is
one
of
the
conditions.
B
It's
not
in
the
Downtown
parking
combining
Zone,
it's
less
than
three
acres
and
it's
less
than
20
000
square
feet,
and
so,
in
our
opinion,
this
meets
the
intent
of
that
section
of
the
done
and
code
which
does
seek
to
waive
parking
for
these
existing
business.
So
in
that
sense,
then
the
commission
really
doesn't
need
to
evaluate
the
parking
issues
given
all
of
these
other
conditions
that
are
already
met,
I
think
that
the
commission-
sorry
Jim,
are
you
going
to
jump
in
there
I
mean
the
way
the
code
is
written.
B
The
land
use
permit
is
before
the
admission
that
policy
has
Rest
by
the
code
or
he
could
be
waved
there
again.
If,
if
the
commission
has
specific
concerns
about
waiving
the
parking
for
this
particular
project,
you
know
feel
free
to
express
those
and
if
it
further
research
is
necessary
for
the
commission,
we
could
certainly
do
that,
but
that
preference
has
been
expressed
in
the
code.
I
see
I,
guess
I'll
wait
for
my
comments,
which
I'll
just
repeat
from
what
I
said
a
few
minutes
ago.
Until
later,
are
there
other.
B
B
B
Yeah,
go
ahead,
I'm,
sorry,
no
I'm,
sorry
Richard!
You,
oh
I,
was
streamlining
the
overall
hours
of
operation
of
the
business
by
when
they
opened
to
when
they
closed,
but
I'm.
Certain
I
have,
in
my
records
here
the
hours
that
they
plan
on
operating
as
a
coffee
shop
in
in
hotel,
lounge
I
was
kind
of
recalling
that
it
was
in
that
hour
of
three
to
four
right.
B
We
can
confirm
that
with
the
applicant
and
then
and
then
strengthen
the
condition.
The
second
question
came
to
me
through
somebody
calling
me
out
on
social
media
from
a
post
about
this
today,
and
this
would
be
a
question
for
the
city
engineer.
B
There
was
a
concern
about
the
speed
on
the
street
and
whether
or
not
and
I.
This
probably
doesn't
it's
probably
not
in
our
purview,
but
wanting
some
kind
of
a
gray
line
behind
which
parking
would
go
because
people
go
very
fast
and
is
that
something
engineering
can
look
at
yeah.
I
I
did
speak
to
our
traffic
a
person
this
afternoon
and
also
ran
it
by
the
city.
Engineer
edgelines
typically
are
not
used
to
delineate
areas
or
curb
extensions.
B
Typically,
we
do
have
them
in
a
couple
areas
of
the
city:
it's
not
a
standard
that
we
use,
but
we
would
be
willing
to
look
at
it
and
so
I'll
show
that
share
that
with
the
city
engineer
and
our
field
people
tomorrow.
B
Thank
you
and
then
the
last
one
I
had
is
a
safety
issue
for
Staffing
on
the
roof
deck,
and
it's
probably
a
question
for
the
applicant
to
see
if
we
can
add
some
shade
to
the
roof
deck
so
that
in
the
very
hot
times
that
we're
experiencing
staff
is
not
going
to
be
required
to
be
standing
outside
or
standing
in
the
heat,
so
that
that's
a
concern
on
the
roof
deck
almost
every
roof
deck
I've
seen
in
the
city
has
some
shaded
area,
but
that
that's
I
don't
know
if
you've
discussed
that
with
the
applicant
at
all,
I
have
and
I
will
let
him
respond
to
that.
B
We've
had
a
conversation
earlier
this
morning,
based
on
your
comments
that
Chris
had
relate
to
me
so
well,
we
can
that's
acceptable.
Well,
when
we're
ready
to
have
him
jumping
on
the
discussion,
we're
almost
there
I
think
there
I
don't
see
any
more
questions
we
can.
At
this
point,
the
public
hearing
is
open.
If
the
applicant
is
present,
you
have
10
minutes
and
I,
don't
know
if
any
members
of
the
public
are
here
to
speak
on
this.
B
You
have
10
minutes.
Oh
thank
you,
madam
commissioner,
the
commission
and
the
community
if
the
community's
still
there
so
to
address
a
few
things
that
I've
heard
in
this
conversation.
I
just
want
you
to
notify
everyone
that
dead
or
alive
is
actually
permanently
closed.
B
They've
been
closed
for
quite
a
few
months
now,
and
then
my
con
your
concerns
with
the
gate,
the
shared
access
space.
That
diagram
was
merely
a
representation
of
what
kind
of
materials
we
would
use,
but
as
a
good
neighbor,
we
would
keep
that
gate
open.
B
We
do
close
that
at
night
for
security
purposes,
but
often
during
we
will
use
that
as
well
and
then
to
address
the
shading,
which
is
completely
valid
and
especially
with
the
higher
winds
that
we're
seeing
that
come
up
all
of
a
sudden,
I
think
what
we
will
do
is
install
sun
sails
or
shade
sales
that
will
be
permanently
bolted
to
the
roof.
B
You
know,
and
they
would
be
secure
enough,
that
they
would
withstand
any
sort
of
wind
loads
that
we're
seeing
in
Palm
Springs
and
then
offer
ample
shade
to
Staffing
and
customers
and
then
in
terms
of
hours.
I,
completely
agree.
We
are
operating
as
a
kind
of
local
neighborhood
coffee
shop
in
the
morning
and
then
there
will
be
some
sort
of
break
where
we
transition
into
a
into
a
bar
lounge
and
then,
in
terms
of
noise
mitigation.
We
are
completely
on
board
with
the
community.
B
We
want
to
be
good
neighbors,
so
our
engineer
actually
designed
our
roof
deck
not
only
for
live
loads
of
people
but
plant
loads
for
vegetation.
So
our
plans
were
to
plant
larger
vegetation
Hedges
towards
the
east
side
of
our
roof
deck,
so
that
would
allow
some
sort
of
noise
mitigation
on
that
end,
and
then
you
know,
I
was
speaking
to
Richard
about
this,
and
thank
you
for
the
great
presentation.
B
Our
intent
is
really
to
provide
a
local
communal,
Bar
Lounge,
where
you
can
go
to
Marisol,
you
can
go,
get
a
crate,
you
can
get
ice
cream
and
then
hey.
Let's
go
get
a
cocktail
where
I
can
just
quietly
chat
with
some
friends
on
the
roof
deck
and
enjoy
this
beautiful
view
and
have
very
light
ambient
music
One,
in
which
you
can
still
hear
your
neighbor
who's
right
across
from
you.
So
the
it's
not
our
intention
for
this
to
be
a
bachelorette
party.
B
You
know
Club
kind
of
scene,
that's
definitely
not
what
we
want,
and
so
you
know
we
we're
open
to
working
with
the
neighborhood
to
mitigate
the
noise,
because
you
know
we
are.
We
are
locals
as
well.
So
we
understand
that
concern.
If
there
are
questions
to
the
applicant
or
maybe
are
you
okay?
If
I
ask
the
one
is
you're?
Okay,
with
no
Amplified
music
on
the
roof
deck,
you
know
I
I
I'm,
not
to
be
completely
honest.
B
I
do
think
that
would
be
a
missed
opportunity.
I
think
you
know.
Palm
Springs
is
about
culture
and
Arts
and
Music
I'm
not
saying
I
want
to
have
bands
up
there,
but
if
we
wanted
to
have
a
soft
background,
ambient
noise
I
think
that
would
be
a
missed
opportunity
that
I
think
even
locals
would
enjoy,
and
so
for
it
to
be
completely
silent,
would
really
I
think
be
a
detriment
to
the
vibe
and
to
the
community.
B
I,
don't
know
how
many
times
anyone's
walked
into
a
space
where
it's
completely
silent,
I
think
that
wouldn't
be
a
comfortable
space
for
visitors
or
the
community
I
I
by
Amplified
music
I
meant
loud
loudspeakers.
Oh
no
I
mean
this
would
just
be.
This
is
soft
background,
music
background
music.
Exactly
any
other
questions
of
the
applicant
commissioner
lion.
B
Yes,
I
hear
you
speak
towards
using
Landscaping
on
the
roof
to
mitigate
the
sound.
Unfortunately,
it
doesn't
bear
out
Landscaping
does
not
people
want
to
think
that
it
will,
but
it
really
doesn't
dampen
the
sound
and
it
will
propagate
through
that,
especially
especially
if
it's
Landscaping
on
the
roof
in
the
desert
in
the
summer,
it's
hard
to
get
it
to
stay
alive,
let
alone
to
thrive
and
and
participate
in
the
mitigation
I'm
wondering
if
you
would
be
open
to
accepting
a
condition
that
had
some
follow-up
with
it.
B
The
required
sound
attenuation
as
designed
by
a
sound
engineer
or
as
approved
by
the
director
or
something
along
those
lines.
B
We
had
actually
hoped
and
proposed
to
put
a
wall
in
the
back,
but
that
was
denied
by
the
city
for
some
reason.
I
counted
that
as
additional
far,
but
that
was
my
first
intent
is
to
actually
use
a
solid
wall
which
I
think
would
really
help
mitigating
the
sound.
So
I
don't
know
if
if
the
Planning
Commission
can
help
us
with
that,
but
I
do
think
that
that
would
be
the
the
best
solution
is
to
just
put
up
a
barrier
between
the
neighbors
and
our
rooftop
commissioner
hershbine.
B
Well,
actually
that
was
going
to
be
my
suggestion.
Not
just
for
sound
mitigation.
I'm,
not
sure
of
freestanding
wall
is
going
to
provide
much
sound
mitigation,
but
more
for
visual
separation
between
them
and
the
residents
right
across
the
alley.
I,
don't
know
if
there's
any
leeway
we
have
with
this
far
issue,
but
I
think
it
would
be
a
better
solution
to
the
proximity
to
those
residences.
B
I'm
gonna
can
I
Venture
into
comments
for
just
a
moment.
No
okay,
well
I'll
save
it.
Then
a
public
hearing
is
still
open
and
we're
just
we're
still
at
questions
of
the
applicant,
and
let
me
go
from
this
to
ask
our
planning
director.
If
there
are
any
any
members
of
the
public
who
indicated
they
would
like
to
speak,
no
members
of
the
public
signed
up
to
speak
in
advance.
B
B
Richard,
what
was
the
history
on
that
conversation?.
B
I
would
have
to
actually
defer
to
Teddy,
for
that
I
am
unaware
of
this
wall
issue
related
to
far
I'm
guessing
it
has
something
to
do
with,
because
this
is
not
the
first
plan
that
you've
submitted.
Is
that
accurate,
Petty
correct
so
actually
in
the
rear?
We
had
proposed
a
three-sided
covering
so
three
walls
and
then
and
then
a
roof,
and
so
they
considered
anything
under
that
roof
as
additional
far
so
I
can
go
back
to
our
Engineers.
It's
already
been
designed
structurally.
B
We
can't
for
wind
cannot
just
have
a
wall
there
by
itself.
We
do
need
to
have
sides
to
attach
it
to,
but
if
the
building
department
allows
us
to
do
that
without
a
roof,
we
can
use
a
sale.
So
it's
not
a
permanent
Roof,
then
I
think
that
would
be
a
really
good
solution,
but
I
would
need
to
I
would
need
the
help
of
the
planned
commission
with
the
billing
department.
B
B
Certainly,
if
there's
a
solution
within
the
you
know
that
works
for
zoning
and
building
code,
we're
open
to
that
one
more
question
for
the
applicant:
what
hours
are
you
proposing
for
alcohol
sale
so
it
will
be
seasonal,
as
we
know,
Palm
Springs,
seasonal,
so,
depending
on
the
season
we'd
like
to
have
a
blanket
ours
which
would
probably
be
four
to
one,
but
most
likely
it'll
be
probably
five
or
six
to
one
o'clock.
B
B
The
motion
I
would
have
is
approval
with
set
with
the
hour
the
conditions
on
the
hours
being
changed
so
that
the
coffee
shop
is
open
and
you
can
have
conserve
coffee
all
the
hours
you
have
there,
but
alcohol
sales
will
start
at
four
o'clock,
so
it'll
be
the
hours
that
are
in
the
current
conditions.
B
If
you
can
put
the
three
walls
up,
we
would
if,
if
that
can
be
worked
through
with
the
engineering
department,
we
would
leave
that
for
approval
by
the
planning
director
that
that
the
condition
on
light
music
that
is
being
would
apply
to
the
deck
and
to
the
and
to
the
the
Interior
Space
to
both
spaces,
and
so
that
there's
mute.
The
music
is
at
a
level
where
people
can
talk
and.
B
I
think
that
was
it
for
conditions
that
people
had
here.
Engineering
will
take
a
look
at
the
the
whites
it's
creating
a
white
whatever
you
call
it
a
white
line,
but
that's
not
a
condition
of
approval.
B
That's
just
something
engineering
said
they
would
look
at
safety
and
then
the
last
condition
is
the
condition
regarding
parking
and
since
I'm,
making
the
motion,
and
maybe
we
can
discuss
this
I,
recommend
that
we
give
the
parking
waiver
I
worked
in
another
city,
where
we
had
to
turn
down
the
exact
kind
of
places
we
wanted
to
put
into
some
of
our
smaller
existing
places
because
of
our
parking,
Department
and
I
I
think
that
there
isn't
sufficient
parking.
This
is
a
very
nice
use.
B
Complementary
use
in
this
neighborhood
and
I
I
personally
would
support
it.
Well,
if
there's
a
second
to
my
motion,
chair
I,
have
just
one
comment
about
your
motion.
You
mentioned
you
mentioned
something
about
the
roof
wall
right
being
referred
to.
Engineering
I
think
you
meant
being
referred
to
the
building
department,
sorry
to
the
building
department.
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
clarification
and
then
the
approval
on
that
to
the
planning
to
the
planning
director.
B
Under
discussion
could
I
suggest
a
slight
Amendment
to
the
motion,
specifically
regarding
the
rooftop
noise.
Yes,
would
you
my
concern?
Is
the
position
of
those
speakers
that
are
going
to
be
providing
this
ambient
music
is
critical
to
whether
or
not
the
residents
across
the
alley
are
going
to
hear
it.
B
I
think
we
need
to
limit
the
speakers
to
the
east
side
of
the
rooftop
facing
west,
because
if
speakers
are
put
on
the
west
spacing
East,
those
residences
are
going
to
hear
the
music,
even
if
it's
low,
so
it
what
I
found
in
my
own
home
environment.
Is
it
really
makes
a
difference
where
the
speakers
are
positioned
and
which
way
they're
facing
and
I
think
they
can
be
positioned
on
the
east
side
of
that
roof
as
long
as
they're
facing
to
the
West?
B
In
other
words,
they
are
facing
away
from
the
residential
with
that
Amendment
this,
commissioner
land,
you
had
additional
issues
on
sound,
didn't
you.
B
Thank
you,
you're
muted,
not
anymore,
I
wanted
to
see
if
the
applicant
was
receptive
today,
I'd
even
something
other
than
landscaping
or
sound
mitigation,
and
it
certainly
sounds
like
we've
moved
weight,
maybe
open
to
it,
and
we
moved
beyond
that.
So
I
can.
My
concerns
are
satisfied.
We
might
want
to
clarify,
though,
make
it
clear
that
sound
amplification
will
not
be
permitted
without
sound
mitigation
measures
in
place.
B
I
think
that's
that
I'm
I'm,
very
comfortable
with
that
are,
is
the
planning
director
comfortable
with
that,
can
you
create
a
condition
I
believe
that
can
be
conditioned.
I'll
look
to
Jim
to
disagree
with
me,
but
I
think
that
that
works.
B
B
B
Commissioner,
so
ultimately,
this
I
guess
is
more
of
a
business
question
or
based
on
their
business
plan.
I
just
hope:
you've
learned
whatever
it
was,
that
went
wrong
with
the
bar
down
two
doors
down
and
why
they
closed
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
parking
issue.
But
it
sounds
like
it's
nothing
we
can
really
address
or
we
have
the
interest
of
doing
but
I
hope
it
works
for
you,
because
people
aren't
going
to
be
able
to
park
over
where
that
bank
is
what
anyhow?
That's
that's
my
concern,
but
good
luck.
B
Just
in
response
to
several
comments
that
we've
had
I
would
never
want
to
deny
a
project
short
on
parking
if
it
means
leaving
a
building
unused,
blighted
or
otherwise
an
eyesore
I
think
having
shortage
of
a
parking
is
much
preferable
to
having
light
and
I
think
that
this
the
proposed
project
does
a
great
job
of
that
I'm.
B
Also
not
that's
a
general
statement
now
this
particular
proposal
I'm
not
concerned
about
a
shortage
of
parking,
because
you
know
what
there's
a
lot
of
hotels
in
walking
distance
and
people
will
stay
at
the
hotels
and
they'll
just
walk
to
it.
If
there's
shortage
of
parking,
so
I
I,
don't
see
that
being
an
issue
and
I
think
that's
exactly
what
our
ordinance
has
set
up
to
do
is
to
allow
things
that
are
technically
under
parked
to
be
approved
in
situations
like
this.
B
Yes,
chairman,
yes,
commissioner
Miller,
yes,
commissioner
Elaine,
yes,
commissioner
Irvin,
yes,
commissioner
hershbein,
yes,
Vice
chair
or
sorry,
commissioner
maruzzi,
yes,
and
vice
chair
Roberts,
yes,
the
motion
has
passed
unanimously.
Thank
you
best
of
luck,
invite
us
to
your
opening.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
One
thing
that
we
didn't
specify,
though,
in
the
conditions
that
I
just
realized
after
looking
at
the
motion
is
the
time
of
review.
At
what
point
does
the
commission
request
this
to
return
the
six
months?
B
I?
Think
we've
done
six
months
typically,
but
sometimes
it's
been
three
I'd
suggest
six
months.
You
want
three
well
I.
Think
three
allows
us
a
more
reasonable
time
to
address.
If
there's
an
issue
or
not
I
would
hate
for
the
residents
to
have
to
live
through
four
or
five
months
of
noise
issues
if
they
don't
have
to.
B
B
Okay,
moving
right
along,
we
are
public
hearing,
2B,
Mark
Temple
owner
for
a
change
of
zone
for
an
undeveloped,
6.44,
acre
parcel
from
single
family
residential
r1d,
which
is
7,
500
square
foot,
minimum
lots
to
R1
e
5,
000
square
foot,
minimum
lots,
a
mitigated,
negative
declaration
per
Sequel
and
a
tentative
track
map
to
subdivide
the
parcel
into
31
single-family
residential
lots
located
at
the
easterly
Terminus
Verona
Road
staff
report.
Police.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Can
you
see
the
slides?
Yes,
we
can
great.
B
You
read
the
the
project
into
the
record,
so
let
me
go
and
discuss
the
application
requests.
One
is
a
change
of
Zone
from
The
r1d
Zone,
which
is
a
7
500
square
foot
lock
to
an
r1e
Zone,
which
is
a
5
000
square
foot
lot,
and
you
mentioned
the
tentative
track
map
equaling,
31,
lots
and
then
a
negative
declaration
for
Sequel
and
we'll
go
through
each
one
of
these
I
just
have
a
few
slides,
so
it
won't
be
a
long
presentation.
B
The
site
that
is
in
question
is
a
triangle-shaped
lot
at
the
north
end
of
town
at
the
Terminus
of
East
Verona
Road.
It
is
located
here
in
the
dashed
red
it's
vacant
land
that
is
adjacent
to
the
Whitewater
white
water
wash
Dam.
The
general
plan
is
low
density,
residential,
it's
6.44,
acres
and
they're,
requesting
to
rezone
this
from
r1d
to
r1e.
B
So
in
looking
at
the
general
plan
designation
once
again,
it's
this
purple
triangle
lot:
you'll
notice
that
it
has
a
low
density,
residential
designation
in
the
lots
that
are
to
the
West
along
Whitewater
and
Verona.
Road
are
a
different
Zone
land
use,
designation
as
very
low
density
residential.
So
you
receive
some
a
letter
in
the
mail
in
your
packet
from
a
resident
describing
that
this
development
would
not
be
consistent
with
the
other
10
000
square
foot
Lots.
B
The
the
the
fact
is
that
it's
a
a
different
General
plan
designation,
so
the
it
is
consistent
with
what
an
lgr
Zone
General
land
use
would
allow.
So
it
would
allow
a
4.1
to
6
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
the
31
Lots
that's
proposed
is
a
4.18
dwelling
units
per
acre,
so
it's
less
than
what
the
Zone
would
allow,
or
the
language
designation
would
allow,
which
would
be
a
total
of
38
units.
B
The
project
is
not
before
you
for
sighting
of
individual
houses,
it's
for
the
change
of
Zone
and
the
track
map,
so
the
applicant
prepared
in
illustrial
view
of
how
the
property
will
be
laid
out
showing
some
Landscaping,
but
the
important
part
is
the
land
of
the
streets.
So
it's
a
one
street
design
in
and
then
three
cul-de-sacs,
all
the
streets
will
be
built
to
City
specifications
and
they
will
become
city
streets.
B
They
have
sidewalks
curb
and
gutters
and
you'll
notice
that
each
of
these
Lots
range
from
5300
square
feet
to
50
400
square
feet,
and
there
is
a
water
retention
Basin
that
is
down
at
the
South
East
portion
of
the
development
other
illustrative
designs
showing
how
each
of
the
whatever
the
house
size
would
be
put
on
the
lot
with
driveways
and
Landscaping.
B
Once
again,
there
is
a
water
retention,
Basin
and
I'll
discuss
this
a
little
bit
farther.
This
is
a
was
an
early
version
of
of
a
design
that
could
possibly
be
for
the
water
retention
and
after
further
engineering.
B
So
in
the
change
of
Zone
request,
it
is
to
change
from
7
500
to
our
r1e
or
5
000
square
foot,
lots
and
when
you
go
to
the
r1e
Zone,
it
allows
for
certain
types
of
development
standards
that
would
not
be
allowed
in
an
r1d
and
if
the
Planning
Commission
remembers,
the
R1
e
zoning
designation
was
a
result
of
a
PDD
review
process
that
the
Planning
Commission
through
a
subcommittee
worked
out
and
adopted
the
new
one
e
zoning
regulations
in
2018.
B
So
This
was
this
is
one
of
the
first
rezonings
of
properties
that
the
Planning
Commission
will
have
seen
since
that
2018
action.
Once
again,
the
track
map
is
is
to
31.
Lots
of
the
general
plan
is
consistent
with
what
they're
proposing
internal
streets
will
be
and
I'm
sorry.
This
says
private.
It
actually
will
be
given
to
the
city.
It
is
ungated,
meaning
that
there
won't
be
a
gate
to
get
into
the
development.
B
It
will
be
open
a
primary
perimeter
walls,
water
basin,
and
there
will
be
an
HOA
to
maintain
all
the
surrounding
community
properties.
B
There
was
an
environmental
analysis
that
was
conducted
by
the
ultim
group,
and
our
environmental
consultant
is
on
the
call
tonight
and
they
can
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
The
SQL
initial
study
was
completed
and
we
reckon
we
recommended
a
mitigated.
Negative
declaration
and
those
mitigation
measures
are
mainly
around
sort
of
biological
issues
having
to
do
with
owls
and
other
animals
that
may
be
on
site.
When
the
grading
starts.
There
was
a
traffic
analysis
that
was
conducted
and
there
were
no
significant
impacts
and
I
included.
B
This
trip
Generation
table
here
showing
the
number
of
daily
trips
that
would
be
expected
during
the
am
peak
hour
and
the
PM
peak
hour
and
shows
that
there
will
be
not
a
significant
impact
on
the
streets
throughout
the
adjacent
neighborhoods.
B
So,
looking
at
the
findings,
the
the
there
are
three
findings
for
a
change
of
Zone
and
keep
in
mind
that
the
that
the
change
zone
is
conformed
with
the
general
plan.
It's
suitable
for
use
is
permitted
in
that
zone
and
is
not
likely
to
be
detrimental
to
adjacent
properties,
and
there
are
seven
findings
for
a
tentative
track.
Map
and
planning
staff
is
recommending
that
the
Planning
Commission
can
make
all
of
these
findings
and
your
recommendation
will
be
forwarded
to
the
city
council.
B
The
recommendation
is
to
adapt
the
m
d
approve.
The
change
of
Zone
approve
the
tentative
track
map
and
then
subject
to
conditions
of
approval.
There
are
two
new
conditions
that
were
not
added
in
the
conditions
that
were
given
to
the
Planning
Commission
I'd,
like
to
just
mention
that
they
would
be
added
as
administrative
number
eight,
which
is
relative
to
park
development
fees,
they
will
be
required
to
pay
an
invo
in
Loop
fee
to
provide
additional
Park
monies
for
the
city
and
then
admin
number
nine
is
a
public
art
fees.
B
They
would
have
to
pay
an
in-lu
fee
for
public
art
within
the
city.
These
are
standard
conditions
that
I,
unfortunately,
were
left
off
the
conditions
of
approval
that
were
in
your
packet.
So
staff
would
like
to
include
those
three
conditions
and
any
other
conditions
that
the
commission
sees
appropriate.
So
that
concludes
my
report.
Share
and
I
am
available
for
questions
and
our
consultant
from
Alton
group
is
here
also.
B
You're
muted,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Yes,
I'm
trying
on
you.
Thank
you
and
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
is
for
Glenn
or
for
the
City
attorney
I'm.
Sorry,
not
the
City
attorney
of
the
city
engineer:
Verona
Road!
B
My
question
is:
will
that
ever
cross
the
white
water
wash
and
I'm?
Assuming
the
answer
is
no?
No,
it
will
not
so
assuming
that,
should
there
not
be
an
accommodation
for
a
half
of
a
cul-de-sac
at
the
end
of
Verona
Road.
What
in
what
is
now
the
drainage
area,
because
assuming
Verona
Road
is
going
to
have
to
be
a
turnaround
down
there,
there
will
be
future
development
potentially
to
the
South
that
would
dedicate
the
South
half
of
that
cul-de-sac.
B
Should
there
not
be
an
accommodation
for
the
north
half
of
a
cul-de-sac
on
what
is
now
shown
as
drainage
lot,
D
yeah?
So
what
what
we
did
in
our
conditions
is
we
conditioned
them
to
build
the
north
half
of
the
road
from
the
center
line,
to
the
face
of
curb,
which
is
I,
believe
18
or
20
feet,
I,
don't
recall
what
it
is
and
then
we
had
to
go.
B
Had
them
extend
that
Paving
to
I
believe
it
was
six
feet
south
of
the
center
line
to
give
a
total
pavement
width
of
24
feet
so
that
it
could
be
used
to
turn
around
in
I
mean
that's,
that's
plenty.
That's
sufficient
pavement
with
to
turn
for
vehicle
to
turn
around
in
the
problem
that
you're
going
to
have
was
with
trying
to
put
in
a
hammerhead
turn
around
or
some
kind
of
a
cul-de-sac
is
the
lack
of
right-of-way.
B
When
he
comes
in
to
develop,
he
would
actually
have
to
be
building
part
of
that
Hammerhead
or
part
of
that
turn
around
at
that
time,
but
we
won't
have
it
on
the
north
side.
Correct.
That's
the
reason
for
the
the
pavement
width
that
we
conditioned.
Okay,
that's
one
question!
The
other
question
is
lot
one,
which
is
the
first
lot
coming
in
off
of
Verona
there
right
now,
there's
a
there's
large,
obviously
large,
electric
transmission
lines
that
go
through
what
is
the
future
of
Verona
Road
and
those
aren't
going
anywhere.
B
I'm
sure
there
is
a
support
wires
that
go
down
that
touchdown
in
what
is
now
shown
as
lot.
B
One
is
in
the
future
when
that's
developed
is
that
support
wire
gonna
be
an
easy
fix
as
far
as
relocation
during
the
construction
process,
or
is
that
a
problematic
issue,
because
it's
encumbering
lot
one
right
now
in
terms
of
where
those
wires
are
located
correct
those
lines
according
to
the
atlas
sheets,
that
we
have
actually
meet
the
requirement
to
be
underground,
so
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
meet
with
an
Edison
service
planner
to
verify
that
those
lines
could
be
undergrounded
which
which
all
of
those
guide
wires
all
those
poles.
B
Everything
would
go
away,
but
it's
up
to
them
to
get
to
that
point
with
the
medicine
service,
planner
and
they're,
not
at
that
level.
Yet
right
I,
don't
believe,
but
our
conditions
do
condition
them
to
do
that.
Okay,
that's
a
surprise
that
they
would
underground
those
major
lines
like
that,
but
that
would
be
a
solution.
Okay,
thank
you.
B
Are
there
other
questions?
I
have
one
and
it
concerns
the
retention
basin
is,
is
in
the
way
that
that
is
being
constructed
right
now.
Is
there
any
room
to
do
what
we
did
at
dap
and
have
a
walk
around
in
the
area
so
that
the
residents
have
some
place
to
walk
some
green
space
to
walk
Glenn?
Do
you
want
me
to
answer
that?
B
Yes,
if
we
had
discussions
about
this
and
in
the
more
detailed
plans
that
were
submitted
to
engineering,
you
know,
obviously
there
there's
some
passive
recreational
use
that
may
be
able
to
make
be
made
as
far
as
a
walkway
around
it,
but
it
is
rather
Steep
and
and
Rick.
You
want
to
talk
about
how
how
that
would
work,
sure
sure
this
return,
you
know,
I'm
all
for
using
those
attention
bases
using
them.
As
a
you
know,
a
dog
park
or
a
little
neighborhood
Gathering
area.
B
This
one
I
believe,
though,
is
is
like
Glenn,
said
it's
very
steep.
This
retention,
Basin
is
quite
a
bit
steeper
than
the
original
design
on
the
I.
Guess
it'd
be
the
West
Wall
of
the
retention
Basin.
B
According
to
the
plans
that
we
have
that's
close
to
16
feet,
deep
17
feet
is
quite
steep
and
we
have
some
reservations
on
whether
that
wall
could
even
be
supported
by
the
the
existing
soil.
That's
out
there.
My
guess
is
that
they'll
probably
come
back
at
a
later
time,
with
some
kind
of
a
design
for
some
kind
of
a
gravity
wall,
or
something
to
support
that
side
of
the
retention
Basin,
but
they
they
need
to.
You
know
get
into
that
design,
but
the
walkway
down
to
this
would
be
pretty
steep.
B
I,
don't
know
if
that'd
be
a
good
idea
that
answers
my
question.
Thank
you
for
ccnr's.
Why
do
they
need
ccnrs?
B
There
will
be
a
an
HOA
and
that
would
require
a
ccnr
and
a
monthly
assessment
or
some
assessment.
Why?
But
why?
Because
I
remember
designing
or
working
on.
B
B
There's
common
Lots
within
the
development
that
require
oversight
where
retention
Basin
is
one
of
them.
They'd
be
required
to
maintain
that.
B
Okay,
any
other
questions
on
this
any
questions
on
the
mitigated:
negative
deck
right.
Would
you,
like
the
environmental
consultant
just
to
make
a
brief
comment?
I
have
one,
which
is
that
I
thought
it
was
a
little
bit
on
the
analysis
on
Parks
was
not
terribly
good
because
it
didn't
really
detail.
The
fat
I
mean
there
are
no
there's
no
parks
in
this
part
of
town,
which
is
why
I
was
asking
about
the
retention,
Basin
and
I.
Just
think.
B
When
we
get
those,
we
should
get
a
better
analysis
right
that
that's
correct
when
you,
when
the
project
is
forwarded
to
the
city
council
there.
There
is
a
addendum
that
we
can
add
to
the
section
on
Recreation
and
to
note
that
this
is
an
area
of
the
city,
that's
Park,
deficient
and
meaning
that
there
is
not
a
active
park
within
one
mile
or
walkable
distance
from
this
new
neighborhood,
and
we
can
note
that
and
we've
just
lost
I've
lost
your
voice.
B
We
can
put
that
in
the
environmental
analysis
that
there's
this
is
a
part
deficient.
That
would
be
very
helpful
when
we
get
to
the
motion.
I
had
one
other
question
for
Jim
priest
having
worked
on
this.
Is
this
an
appropriate
area
for
this
rezoning
when
we
originally
started
it
I,
don't
know
if
we
looked
at
an
area
of
town
I'm,
assuming
it's
an
appropriate
area
for
this
rezoning,
but
is
there
any
analysis
that
staff
has
to
go
through
that
this
is
appropriate?
B
Staff
has
provided
the
analysis
that
it
is
consistent
with
the
general
plan.
Designation
r1e
is
a
new
zoning
classification,
as
the
commission
will
know
that
we've
only
adopted
just
in
the
last
few
years
as
to
whether
it
is
appropriate
to
development
out
there
I
mean
that's.
Ultimately,
the
policy
call
that
the
commission
will
recommend
and
the
council
will
decide
according
to
Stout's
report.
B
They
believe
that
the
findings
that
can
be
made
here
and
that
this
zoning
can
move
forward
ultimately,
is
the
commission's
recommendation
and
the
council's
ultimate
determination
whether
to
rezone
it
this
way
did
the
legislative
Hall
of
the
city.
Thank
you.
B
There
being
no
other
questions
of
Staff,
this
is
a
public
hearing.
Is
the
applicant
present?
B
Yes,
the
applicant
is
here,
and
you
have
10
minutes
to
present
sure
well
I.
Think
Glenn
did
a
very
nice
job,
presenting
the
project
to
the
council.
It's
kind
of
pretty
straightforward.
You
know
residential
single
family,
home
development,
so
I,
don't
think
I
really
have
anything
more
to
add.
You
know
other
than
we
appreciate
the
commissioner's
time
tonight
and
consideration
for
the
project
and
certainly
available.
If
there's
any
questions.
B
One
thing,
I
guess
I
would
maybe
comment
too,
because
you
know
there
is
the
larger
Serena
Park
project
which
is
adjacent
to
that
and
all
the
property
to
the
West.
There
is
designated
as
a
park
now
when
and
how
that
development
will
occur.
We're
not
too
sure-
and
you
know,
as
a
developer-
we've
been
kind
of
hopeful
that
they
would
get
started.
B
But
it's
just
been
a
long
time,
and
so
we
felt
it's
kind
of
time
that
we
could
do
it
and
feel
that
this
project
can
stand
on
its
own,
even
without
that
one
going
forward.
B
So
that's
really
all
I
have
unless
you
have
some
other
questions,
so
anybody
have
questions
for
the
applicant,
seeing
none.
It
comes
back
to
the
commission
I'm
just
going
to
throw
out
a
motion
that
we
approve
this
with
one,
the
one
change
we
prove
all.
Do
we
have
to
vote
on
each
item
separately
or
can
the
motion
include
all
three?
B
B
B
I'm
sorry
I
made
that
assumption
I
think
the
the
folks
that
are
still
on
our
environmental
Consultants
and
you
know
all
of
them.
Thank
you.
So
the
public
hearing
is
closed
and
there's
a
tentative
motion.
If
anyone
would
like
to
make
it
or
second
it.
B
Commissioner
hirschbine
a
second
any
discussion
under
discussion.
Yes
has
anyone?
Does
any
other,
commissioner,
have
an
issue
with
lot
14,
it's
the
one,
that's
between
the
two
cul-de-sacs
at
the
North
End,
and
it
just
seems
to
be
a
lot:
that's
surrounded
by
streets
and
I
I,
don't
know
what
can
be
done
there,
given
the
overall
layout
of
this,
but
lot
14
to
me
just
seems
like
a
very
difficult
lot
to
live
in
number.
One.
B
This
is
just
kind
of
a
comment:
I
mean
I,
it's
not
unlike
many
Lots
in
the
Indian
Canyon
neighborhoods
I'm,
trying
to
think
of
the
development
name,
but
there
are
a
number
of
parcels
like
that
that
are
between
little
bumper
streets,
like
that,
you
know
when
you
look
at
those
streaks
they're
going
to
have
so
little
traffic,
they're
I,
don't
see
it
as
an
issue.
B
Okay,
somebody's
gonna
see
that
home
as
a
real
benefit,
because
it
has
a
lot
more
land
around
it
and
it
has
a
straight
out
view
to
the
White
Water
channel,
so
I
I
think.
If
anything,
it
might
be
a
more
desirable
parcel
and
aren't
we
aren't
we
to
understand
that
this
may
not
be
the
final
layout
that
this
was
just
illustrative.
Somebody
didn't
you
tell
us
that
this
could
change.
B
Well,
the
the
the
street
layout.
The
track
map
will
be
consistent.
Okay,
yeah,
it's
I
mean
unless
they
come
in
and
amend
the
track
map
when
it
comes
into
final,
which
will
be
way
down
the
road
yeah.
If
I
was
picking
out
a
lot,
I
was
looking
at
this
and
I
was
going
to
build
a
house
here.
I'd
pick
that
lot
or
13
or
18.
Personally.
B
B
That
ends
discussion.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call,
please
sure
Madam
chair?
Yes,
commissioner
hirschbine?
Yes,
commissioner
Elion
had
to
excuse
yourself
from
the
meeting
commissioner
Irvine
or
Irvin.
Yes,
commissioner
Miller.
Yes,
commissioner,
marusi,
yes,
and
vice
chair
Roberts,
yes,
the
motion
carries.
B
Thank
you.
Commissioners
I
sure
appreciate
it.
Good
luck
to
you
appreciate
it
that
too
good
night
good
night.
We
have
no
unfinished
business
and
no
new
business.
We
have
planning
commission
reports,
requests
and
comments,
I'm
sure
before
I
get
to
that
portion
of
the
agenda.
If
we
could
just
get
the
formal
motion
for
item2d,
please,
oh
the
formal,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
we
do
have
item.
B
2G
is
yoken
Zhao
for
conditional
use,
permit
major
development
permit
and
tentative
track
map
to
construct
a
12-unit
multi-family
residential
development
consisting
of
for
sale,
condominiums
on
a
0.95,
95
Acre
Site,
located
at
1424,
Camino,
Norte
and
I.
Believe.
The
motion
you
want
is
a
motion
to
continue
to
a
date
uncertain
or
a
date.
Certain
our
request
would
be
for
Dave
certain
of
October
12th.
B
B
Yes,
commissioner
Miller?
Yes,
commissioner
hershbein?
Yes,
commissioner
Irvin.
Yes,
commissioner
Rosie,
yes,
Vice,
chair,
Roberts,.
B
Sorry,
Mr
Roberts,
you
might
have
been
muted
and
chairwoman.
Yes,
all
right.
That
motion
has
carried
moving
right
along
to
the
planning
commission
reports,
requests
and
comments.
I
I
have
a
request.
It
has
to
do
with
this
last
vote
we
just
took,
which
is
when
staff
finds
out
that
a
item
is
going
to
be
pulled.
Can
you
let
us
know
as
soon
as
you
find
out
and
that
way
we'll
avoid
spending
our
own
time
kind
of
studying
the
staff
report
and
the
documents.
B
Absolutely
yeah:
we
can
pass
that
along.
Of
course,
it's
subject
to
the
motion,
but
we
can
certainly
let
the
commission
know
that
we
will
be
recommending
that
it
be
carried
or
continued
rather.
Thank
you.
B
Any
other
comments.
Questions,
oh
commissioner.
At
some
point,
I'd
like
to
discuss
or
at
least
hear
a
report
on
the
city
council's
decisions,
because
there
was
a
denial
of
one
of
our
approvals.
B
Yeah,
so
I
was
going
to
deliver
that
during
planners
planner
planning
director's
report,
but
you
know,
as
you
know,
new
church
to
LLC
did
appeal
the
commission's
decision
on
orchid
tree
hotel,
which
was
to
deny
their
their
extension
requests
and
after
discussion
of
that
during
their
hearing,
the
council
did
Grant
them
a
one-year
extension
through
May
7
2023,
so
they
did
Grant
the
appeal
and
a
one-year
extension
in
tandem
with
that.
B
The
applicant
did
also
request
to
extend
the
remaining
milestones
in
their
performance
schedule
to
the
Covenant
agreement,
which
was
also
granted
by
the
city
council
for
45
days.
So
that
essentially
extends
you
know
a
few
different
timelines,
but
the
one
where
they
need
to
have
pulled
their
permits
and
begin
construction
is
extended
to
March
1st
of
2023.
B
and
just
a
question
was
that
I'm,
assuming
that
they
could
meet
the
permit
requirements
and
get
a
permit
on
the
project,
but
not
meet,
not
meet
the
milestones
for
the
tot
rebate.
B
That's
right,
I
mean
there
are
still
other
Milestones
associated
with
the
project
that
they,
you
know.
They
indicated
to
the
city
council
that
they
felt
that
they
could
meet
the
milestones
and
and
David
is
on
the
call.
I
don't
know
if
he
has
anything
to
add
to
that
specificity,
but
they
indicated
that
they
would
attempt
to
meet
those
milestones
and
they've
all
been
extended,
45
days
Dylan.
B
The
thing
that
I
would
add
was
that
the
city
council
did
request
that
staff
meet
with
the
applicant
on
a
monthly
basis,
moving
forward
to
address
nuisance
security,
maintenance
issues,
so
that
you
know
we
can
avoid
things
that
have
happened
in
the
past.
B
B
Thank
you.
We
are
adjourned
until
5,
30,
Wednesday,
September,
28,
2022.