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B
A
B
Thank
you.
May
we
have
the
staff
report
on
the
posting
of
the
agenda.
A
B
I
might
add
that
that
would
include
the
consent
calendar
item.
Anybody
have
a
question
about
that
or.
B
Well,
I
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
remove
it
from
the
consent
calendar,
but
I
did
want
to
ask
staff
a
question
if
they
could
clarify
for
me-
and
this
is
I'll-
read
I'll
read
the
item
number
one.
It's
the
sign
program,
a
proposed
signed
program
by
riverside
university
health
system
for
a
multi-tenant
center
located
at
191
north
sunrise
way,
and
the
question
I
have
for
staff
is
that
they
could
clarify
the
location
of
the
different
monument
signs.
D
B
And
is
the
are
the
the
accessory
signs?
Are
they
also
illuminated.
D
I
had
a
clarification
from
the
applicant
sign
maker
and
in
fact
the
two
that
are
on
tokuts
and
andreas
are
not
illuminated.
Okay,.
B
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
So
do
we
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
agenda
unless
there's
other
questions.
B
Okay,
may
we
vote
all
those
in
favor.
Please
say
aye
and
raise
your
hand
all
right,
those
against
yeah,
since
this
is
a
public
meeting
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue.
That's
within
this
committee's
purview
comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time
the
item
is
presented.
B
If
you
want
to
speak
on
an
item
not
on
today's
agenda,
you
may
do
speaks
now.
Each
speaker
will
have
three
minutes.
Is
there
anyone
in
line
that
wishes
to
speak
on
an
item
not
on
this
agenda?.
A
No
david,
no,
I
sure
we
haven't
had
any
specific
requests
to
speak
at
this
time,
but
if,
as
you
mentioned,
if
anyone
else
who
is
on
the
video
call
would
like
to
speak
at
this
point
in
time,
you
may
do
so
now
by
turning
on
your
microphone.
A
B
All
right
since
it
doesn't
appear
that
we
have
any
speakers
we'll
move
on
to
item
number
two
under
under
unfinished
business.
A
That
was
so.
The
acceptance
of
the
agenda
was
just
that
with
the
items
on
the
agenda
as
as
their
line
or
as
they're
listed
are
appropriate.
So
we'll
need
a
separate
action
for
approving
the
consent
calendar,
including
just
the
one
item.
C
B
Okay.
Now
we
move
on
to
unfinished
business.
The
item
is
cbm2
hotels,
lp
for
a
minor
architectural
application,
proposing
facade
modernization
and
an
addition
of
a
864
square
foot
fitness
center
at
the
courtyard
by
marriott
hotel
located
at
1300,
east
hockwood's
canyon,
way.
D
Thank
you,
mr
vice
chair.
As
noted
in
your
staff
report.
This
was
considered
by
the
aac
at
their
meeting
on
july,
20th
2020
at
that
time.
D
At
that
time,
the
project
was
reviewed
with
recommended
resubmittal,
with
the
items
that
are
noted
on
your
page,
one
modifying
the
roof
of
the
exercise,
building
to
better
integrate
the
rooms
with
the
existing
hotel,
integrate
some
shading
on
the
glazing,
revising
the
front
facade
treatment
to
better
integrate
with
the
existing
architecture
consider
either
using
more
of
the
stack
stone
elsewhere
in
the
project
or
eliminating
it.
D
Looking
at
the
darker
paint,
colors
relative
to
the
overall
paint
scheme,
looking
at
increasing
of
the
plant
sizes
and
looking
at
how
the
desert
escape
areas
are
more
better
integrated
with
the
existing
turf
and
then
to
provide
information
on
the
ceiling
lighting
in
the
canopy
of
the
port
cochair,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
go
briefly
through
my
slide
presentation
on
this.
If
you
can
do
this,
are
you
seeing
my
slide
presentation?
D
Not
yet
there
we
go
yeah,
you
got
it,
okay,
very
good.
So
this
is
the
current
image
of
the
front
of
the
building
as
it
exists
today.
These
are
the
items
that
I
just
went
over
with
you
in
terms
of
the
recommendations
from
the
committee
at
your
july
meeting.
D
This
shows
the
original
submittal
and
the
revised
submittal
there's
two
things
that
I'm
showing
you
here
on
the
left
this
area,
I'm
sorry
on
the
right
this
area
here,
the
lower
images
here
show
the
original
configuration
of
the
roof
of
the
fitness
center,
and
here
you
see
the
revisions
which
have
been
bubbled
in
red.
These
slopes
now
are
reflective
of
the
same
slopes
that
are
on
the
existing
hotel
building.
D
As
a
result
of
this
reducing
of
the
slope
of
the
roof,
the
parapet
has
had
to
be
emerged
slightly
above
the
top
of
the
clay
tile
roof
in
order
to
conceal
the
mechanical
equipment
there.
This
I
will
talk
about
in
just
a
moment.
D
The
other
thing
that
was
recommended
was
shading
over
these
large
areas
of
glazing
and
in
this
particular
image
that
you
see
here
in
the
middle
of
the
screen,
there's
a
site
section
or
a
building
section.
That
shows
the
proposed
shading
elements
which
are
proposed
out
of
wood
with
vertical
fins
angled,
as
you
see
them
here.
D
Our
discussion
with
the
applicant
is
that
if
this
was
their
approach
to
shading,
they
may
want
to
consider
adjusting
those
angled
boards
in
the
other
direction
so
that
it
actually
does
achieve
some
degree
of
shading
we're
also
recommending
that
they
perhaps
should
be
a
little
bit
longer
if
they
are
going
to
truly
provide
shading,
particularly
on
the
south
side.
D
Excuse
me,
this
is
the
original
that
you
see
here
below
what
you
saw
back
in
july,
and
then
this
is
the
scheme,
as
they've
proposed
the
revision
of
it
in
which
they've
lowered
this
false
facade,
bringing
it
down
almost
to
the
current
eve
level
here
and
keeping
it
more
in
alignment
with
the
height
of
the
roof
structure
of
the
port
cochair
and
as
you'll
notice.
Here,
the
ledge
stone
has
been
eliminated
completely.
D
These
lower
planter
walls
would
then
be
stucco
and
would
be
better
integrated
with
the
existing
planters
and
structures
that
are
at
the
front
of
the
building.
You'll
also
note
here
that
the
color
proposed
on
the
canopy
structure
is
now
reflecting
the
dark
color
of
the
facade
treatment,
rather
than
the
light
color
on
the
landscape
revisions.
One
of
the
things
that
the
aac
made
note
of
was
that
this
is
a
rather
abrupt
edge.
D
That's
been
created
here
with
the
integration
of
this
drought,
tolerant
landscaping
in
a
couple
of
different
areas
on
the
site
and
what
you
are
looking
at
here
by
the
way
are
just
portions
of
the
site
for
illustration
purposes.
So
these
aerial
photos
show
the
turf
that
they
have
now
and
then
these
are
the
same
areas
with
the
proposed
desertscape
and
the
items
in
the
comments
from
abc
was
that,
rather
than
simply
having
this
hard
line
or
border
board
along
here,
that
this
would
be
better
blended
in
a
sort
of
more
naturalized
way.
D
So
that
has
not
been
integrated
and
the
plant
scheme
has
not
been
changed
and
so
we're
still
recommending
that
those
items
be
adjusted
accordingly.
The
lighting
at
the
port
cochair
is
led
down
light
in
a
basically
a
square
type
of
recessed
fixture
on
this.
Drawing
here
in
the
middle
of
the
screen,
you're
looking
at
you
can
see
the
lighting
fixtures
here
in
two
rows,
and
then
here
you
can
see
the
photometric
site
plan
showing
the
illumination
levels
produced
by
those
lights.
D
These
are
high
relative
to
what
our
typical
outdoor
lighting
standards
are
based
on
our
outdoor
lighting
ordinance.
Now
I
will
say
that
often
we
see
at
gas
stations
and
other
places
in
the
in
commercial
buildings,
where
you
have
a
public
entrance
where
there
will
be
lighting
levels
that
are
slightly
higher
than
one
might
see
in
the
rest
of
the
parking
lot.
D
However,
these
foot
candle
levels
that
you're
seeing
here
are
quite
high,
and
so
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
are
recommending
is
that
they
look
at
the
output
of
those
lights
and
perhaps
go
with
something
that's
a
little
bit
less
bright
in
terms
of
the
lumen
output
on
those
fixtures.
D
So
the
recommendation
is,
for
staff
to
by
recommendation
for
staff
is
to
revise
the
mechanical
well
to
make
sure
that
it
does
fully
conceal
the
roof
mounted
equipment.
Subsequent
to
this
particular
presentation
and
my
staff
report,
I
did
receive
material
from
them
in
which
it
does
show
that
the
proposed
mechanical
equipment-
that's
mounted
on
the
roof
of
the
fitness
center,
will
stick
up
above
that
parapet
wall.
D
They
have
done
some
sight
line
studies
that
would
suggest
that
if
you
are
in
the
swimming
pool
area,
the
mechanical
equipment
will
probably
not
be
shown.
However,
we
do
know
their
their
screening
of
that
roof.
Mounted
equipment
does
not
currently
meet
the
intent
of
our
zoning
code,
and
we
would
recommend
that
either
they
adjust
the
well
itself
the
mechanical
well
itself,
so
that
they
revise
the
truss
design
to
get
the
floor
of
that
mechanical
well,
a
little
bit
lower
or
raise
the
height
of
the
surrounding
parapets
to
better
conceal
it.
D
Certainly
it's
going
to
be
viewed
by
the
upper
windows
of
the
hotel,
that's
impossible
to
resolve,
but
at
least
it
would
be
better.
We
think
from
a
greater
distance
away
from
the
building
to
try
to
make
sure
those
units
are
fully
concealed.
D
Also
on
the
solar
control.
I
believe
that
the
building,
because
it's
it's
flanked
by
two
three-story
buildings
on
the
east
and
on
the
west
most
likely
their
morning
and
afternoon
sun
condition-
is
going
to
be
fairly
shaded
on
that
fitness
building.
The
south
elevation
might
see
a
little
bit
more
solar
exposure,
so
I'll
leave
that
to
the
aac
to
advise
whether
you
want
to
see
more
aggressive,
solar,
shading
on
that
facade
or
whether
they
just
should
just
drop
it.
D
And
then,
of
course,
I
mentioned
the
revising
of
the
photometric
site
plan
with
lighting
levels
that
are
a
little
bit
less
bright.
That
would
more
closely
conform
to
our
ordinance
and
then,
if
the
aac
does
have
further
concerns
with
this
particular
application,
I
would
recommend
that
we
form
a
subcommittee
to
review
the
final
recommendations
so
that
we
don't
further
delay
this
particular
application.
D
E
E
D
F
I
would
like
to
defer
to
michael
harper,
who
is
part
of
our
our
architectural
team,
and
I
know
michael,
is,
is
with
us
on
the
on
the
call
today.
B
No
just
go
through
my
list
of
questions.
B
Yeah,
so
I
think
we
can
move
on
so
if
the
applicant
is
present,
which
she
obviously
is
you
you
have,
you
can
cut,
you
can
give
us
your
name
and
address.
Tell
us
about
your
project.
You
have
10
minutes
to
present
and
two
minutes
of
rebuttal
if
desired
after
any
public
comment,.
F
Yes
could
could
could
at
this
time
I
I'd
defer
to
michael
harper,
who
was
our
our
lead
design
architect?
Yes,
you.
D
C
Job,
you
know,
as
you
know,
and
you
know
this
is
a
recent
middle
from
about
six
months
ago.
You
know
it
slowed
down
a
little
bit
due
to
the
pandemic
and
everything
going
on
with
the
economy,
but
he
did
a
good
job
presenting
the
the
changes
we
we
kind
of
did
with
the
front
to
kind
of
reduce,
reduce
the
the
false
front,
as
it
was
called
in
the
last
meeting
and
integrated
a
little
bit
more
with
with
the
existing
architecture,
remove
the
stack
stone.
C
As
far
as
the
fitness
center,
you
know
there's
some
discussion
on
matching
the
slopes
with
the
existing
slopes,
which
we
did
and
it
created
that
parapet
wall.
There's
been
a
lot
of
discussions
about
what
that
para
wall
should
look
like.
Should
it
be
there,
you
know,
there's
there's,
there's
multiple
opinions
across
the
board.
There
love
to
hear
y'all's
opinion,
maybe
a
little
bit
on
on
that.
C
C
C
We
typically
see
that
30
foot
candles
in
the
center
of
these.
It's
a
very
high
traffic
area.
It's
the
drop
off!
It's
it's
the
pickup
it's,
but
I
was
just
reading
the
the
final
zoning
your
zoning
earlier
and
I
think
they're
only
recommending
one
or
two
foot
candles,
which
is
way
too
slow
for
this
area.
But
we
can
definitely
work
that
out
between
staff
and
all
that
and
make
sure
that
we
get
the
right
number
that
everybody's
comfortable
with
that's
all.
That's
all.
I
really
have.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
any
members
of
the
public
that
wish
to
provide
comment?
If
so,
please
give
us
your
name,
and
you
have
three
minutes
and
david.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
anybody
in
line
or
not.
A
B
Okay,
I
guess
that
will
conclude
public
comment
on
the
item
and
we
will
move
on
to
questions
from
the
committee
to
the
applicant.
B
E
I
have
one
question:
is
there
any
concern
about
using
wood
as
the
shading
structure
or
the
trellis
structure
in
terms
of
maintenance
and
long
longevity.
C
There's
really
no
concerns
at
this
point.
There
needs
to
be
a
little
bit
more
detail
in
to
make
sure
we're
holding
it
up.
The
concern
was
when
we
and
I
think
in
the
presentation
we
are
showing
it
on
all
three
sides:
the
east
east,
west
and
south
side,
and
then,
through
our
conversations
with
ken
as
he
spoke
about
you
know,
we
didn't
think
the
east
and
west
sides
would
necessarily
need
it,
because
you
have
two
three-story
buildings.
C
You
know
15
feet
away
on
each
side.
On
the
south
side,
we
if
there
was
a
concern
which
there
isn't
we
could
go
to
an
aluminum
type
of
aluminum
system,
we're
just
trying
to
keep
costs
down
a
little
bit
on
that
side.
So
we
thought
the
wood
would
look
a
little
better
and
kind
of
match
the
wood
elements
that
we're
building
kind
of
in
the
front
and
on
on
the
sides,
entrances
too.
A
Number
one,
if
I
may
ask
of
the
applicant
it
it
seems
as
though
part
of
the
struggle
here
is
the
an
initial
decision
to
locate
the
the
air
handling
the
hvac
topside
on
the
roof
in
in
you
know,
from
that.
A
list
of
kind
of
further
problems
ensues
everything
from
the
aesthetics
of
looking
down
from
above
and
the
required
balancing
of
the
height
of
the
roof
and
the
trusses
and
all
was
there
ever
a
viable
opportunity
explored
to
locate
it
at
ground
level
as
opposed
to
the
roof.
C
For
the
fact
that
it's
easier
to
to
get
the
ductwork
and
everything
into
the
ceiling
from
the
from
the
roof,
of
course,
once
you
put
it
on
the
ground,
you've
got
to
kind
of
duct
it
through
a
chase
up.
Then
we
felt
like
we
can.
We
would
run
into
the
same
problem
now.
I
have
it
on
the
ground
right
in
front
of
my
parking
that
I
have
to
shield
anymore
with
fencing
and
more
hedge
lines.
So
the
study
was
never
really
done.
Yeah
it
did.
A
I
I
understand-
and
it
just
seems
as
though
much
of
much
of
the
conflict
and
the
struggle
here
results
from
that,
and
I
think
it's
intrinsic
when
you
have
this
small
like
terribly
visible,
building
symmetrically
located
in
the
center
of
the
courtyard
and
all
it's
small
and
the
the
roof
configuration
and
size
isn't
very
forgiving.
If
you
have
some
big
building,
it's
it's
easy
to
kind
of
without
a
lot
of
thought
bury
the
ac
up
there,
so
it
yeah
I
to
me
it's
instantly
setting
things
in
a
very
difficult
direction
for
you.
C
I
agree,
I
think
in
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
was
talked
about
and
ken
talked
about
was
looking
at
the
trust
system
to
maybe
see
if
we
can
get
that
mechanical
well,
a
little
deeper,
which
would
rate
it
to
me.
C
F
This
is
tom
young.
I
would,
I
believe,
ownership
would
be
much
more
in
favor
of
sacrificing
a
bit
of
a
differential
between
the
the
two.
The
the
pitches
of
the
two
roof,
rather
than
to
you
know,
provide
this
parapet
on
the
top,
which
aesthetically
we
we
just
don't
believe
is
is
the
best
is
the
best
answer
here
I
mean
I
think
we
have
talked
about
doing
the
mechanical
at
the
ground
level
and
there
there
are
issues
you
know
surrounding
that,
but
you
know
the.
The
fact
is
that
I
think
aesthetically.
F
D
If
I
may
suggest
something,
mr
vice
chair
in
looking
at
the
slide
that
you
see
that
I
have
here
on
the
on
the
on
my
screen,
you'll
note
that
the
way
that
the
truss
configure
in
configuration
is
there's
a
there's,
a
fairly
deep
section
here
to
this
portion
of
the
truss.
That
is
the
floor
of
the
mechanical.
Well,
there's
also
a
plenum
space
here
above
this
this
ceiling,
and
I
know
they
need
room
for
ductwork
and
I
know
they
need
room
for
insulation.
C
I
think
I
think
what
ownership
is
looking
for
is
kind
of
get
rid
of
that
parapet
wall
if
we
could
sink.
If
we
could
sink
the
mechanical
well
a
little
bit
and
maybe
do
a
degree
or
two
more
slope
to
get
rid
of
that
parapet,
wall
and
just
have
the
roof
they
it
would
be.
They
they'd
be
much
more
happy
with
the
aesthetic
of
it.
B
Can
can
you
tell
me
what
the
current
proposed
roof
slope
is
versus
what
you
came
in
with
originally.
F
I
mean
candidly
this.
This
is
a
this
is
a
900
square
foot
fitness
center
inside.
You
know
the
courtyard
of
an
enclos
of
a
building
that
almost
fully
encloses
it.
The
aesthetics
of
this
building
in
the
courtyard
of
of
the
hotel
itself,
I
would
think,
are
a
little
bit
more
important
than
than
than
what
we're
talking
about
here.
I
I
I
just.
I
just
feel
like
the
roof
slope
shouldn't
drive
what
what
what
the
decision
is
here.
B
Yeah
well,
let's
thank
you
for
that
ken,
let's
finish
with
the
committee
questions
to
the
applicant
and
then
our
and
as
part
of
our
discussion,
we'll
certainly
consider
that.
Thank
you.
Anybody
else
have
some
questions
for
the
applicant.
B
B
Remember,
polite
nope,
good,
okay.
That
leaves
me
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
toward
the
front
elevation
and
talk
about
the
portico
share
and
the
proposed
improvements
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
end
front
entry
doors
and
the
new
storefront
you're,
putting
in
to
the
right
of
it.
So
as
I
look
at
the
elevation,
those
new
storefronts
are,
are
they
nine
foot
tall
and
and
what
size
is
the
are
the
doors,
the
entry
doors?
C
On
the
on
the
right
side,
looking
at
the
picture
right
now
on
the
right
side,
that
will
be
new
storefront
on
the
left
side,
the
existing
storefront
will
be
reused,
correct.
B
I
was
actually
looking
at
the
enlarged
detail
sheet.
I
think
it
was
eight
three
twenty
three.
C
But
to
answer
your
question,
the
storefront
height
will
match
the
existing
storefront
that
will
that
will
be
remaining.
It
won't
match
the
sliding
door,
because
the
sliding
door
doesn't
have
a
transom
over.
B
Okay,
well
so
what
I
from
the
rendering
it
looks
like
you,
have
a
the
way
that
the
way
the
storefront
is
divided
looks
like
it's
different
from
the
windows
on
the
side
of
the
entry
doors
versus
the
three
new
storefront
doors.
Your
the
three
premiums
of
three,
the
three
new
storefront
windows,
you're
putting
elsewhere
it
looks
like
you've
got
on
the
three
new
ones.
You've
got
a
million
running,
I'm
gonna!
B
C
B
Well,
the
the
reason
I
ask
is
it's
called
out
is
that
without
is
being
reused,
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
some
consistency
that
happens
across
the
between
all
the
storefront
windows
and
that
the
height
of
the
entry
door
at
least
lines
up
with
something
related
to
the
storefront
systems.
C
B
Okay
and
remind
me
the
proposed
colors,
this
is
part
of
a
corporate
rebranding,
correct
and
the
colors,
the
great
the
dark
gray
color,
the
cedar,
the
cedar
colored
boards
and
then
the
gray
stucco,
the
lighter
gray
stucco.
Those
are
all
part
of
a
rebranding.
Is
that
right.
C
B
B
So
now
I'm
going
to
jump
to
the
fitness
center.
Have
you
done
a
solar,
shade
study
on
the
on
that
fitness
center
in
terms
of
what
you're
proposing
for
the
shade
structures.
B
Not
so,
as
mr
lyons
mentioned
in
his
staff
report,
probably
on
the
east
and
west
sides,
it
may
not
be
as
much
an
issue
because
you
have
three-story
buildings,
the
south
side.
I
think
you're
calling
out
for
it
to
be
three
feet
here,
may
not
be
adequate,
but
I
think
you
can
probably
work
with
staff
or
we
can
cut.
B
You
should
do
a
solar
study
and
work
with
staff
to
get
that
resolved
the.
When
I
look
at
the
elevations
of
where
the
solars
for
the
shade
structures
structures
occur.
Proportionally,
it
looks
out
of
place.
The
proportion
of
the
amount
of
wall
above
them
looks
really
tall
compared
to
where
for
the
building
so
the
building-
and
maybe
this
is
a
combined
thing
with
the
mechanical
well,
but
I
it
would.
I
think
that
it
would
look
better
proportionately.
B
B
And
we
come
back,
I
guess
to
the
big
issue,
which
is
the
proposed
new
portico
protocol.
Share
that
really
it's
what's
being
proposed
is
pretty
inconsistent,
in
my
opinion,
with
the
architecture
of
the
building-
and
this
was
these
were
comments
that
we
talked
about
when
you
came
back
came
before
us
in
july,
and
I've
just
and
I
know
that
you've
made
some
effort
to
get
it
a
little
bit
more
consistent
by
re,
reducing
the
height
of
that
parapet
and
getting
rid
of
the
stacked
stone.
B
A
Chair
rottman,
I
think
you,
you
covered
a
lot
in
that
net.
You
just
cast
out
there
and
I
think
that
there
are
some
underlying
foundational
problems
in
the
design
approach
that
are
not
resolved,
and
I
realize
that
pieces
of
this,
like
the
fitness
center,
are
sort
of
tucked
back
away
within
the
site
and
all
and
maybe
less
important,
but
it
it's
one
of
those
times
when
I
don't
think
that
the
goals
of
what
they're
trying
to
do
are
working
out
through
this
design
direction.
A
There
is
a
conflict
of
the
underlying
styles
of
architecture
that
is
not
smoothed
over
and
it's
as
though
they
are
designed
either
at
a
wildly
different
points
in
time
or
by
different
people,
and
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
come
together
as
a
harmonious
elevational
expression
number
one.
Secondly,
I
kind
of
go
back
to
there.
You
know
you
cross
the
rubicon
when
that
hvac
had
to
go
up
on
the
roof,
and
yes,
I
think
that
the
fitness
center
is
strikingly
disproportional.
A
When
you
look
at
the
elevation
instantly,
you
can
see
it
the
vertical
distance
between
the
window
head
and
the
roof.
Eve
is
too
tall
and
you
know
yeah
changing
the
the
roof
slope
does
does
help
a
bit,
but
honestly,
this
is
not
really
pulled
together.
I
feel
badly.
This
is
the
second
time
here
and
I
I
wish
I
had.
I
really
wish
I
had
something
more
kind
of
positive
to
share
about
this,
but
it
it
doesn't
hit
the
target
that
I
think
the
corporation
wants
to,
and
certainly
from
an
aesthetic
standpoint.
A
My
humble
opinion.
It's
it's
not
it's
not
done
well,.
B
Thank
you,
member
lockyer.
G
Here
is
there
somewhere,
I
can
go
to
see
the
landscape
plans,
ken
and
maybe.
D
G
D
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
the
original
submittal.
G
H
G
G
G
G
D
G
G
I'll
pull
it
up,
you
can
pull
it
up
because
I've
got
this
whole
set
on
another
monitor
over
here.
G
I
I
find
this
kind
of
depressing
experience
with
this
hard
scape
up
against
this
hard
stucco,
even
as
I'm
in
this
fitness
center.
Looking
out
as
I'm
approaching
this
fitness
center
walking
through
the
hardscape
coming
through
these
gates
approaching
these
gates
it
it's
it's
not
an
enjoyable
experience,
there's
not
much
opportunity
for
landscape.
G
If
there
is
a
plant
to
be
added
in
a
pot,
I
see
staining
on
concrete
coming
through
a
potted
plant.
You
know
wicking
soil
wicking
through
that
pot
onto
concrete,
staining
concrete
more
of
an
afterthought
rather
than
a
planted
bed
up
against
the
stucco
wall,
or
even
a
planted
bed
outside
of
a
fitness
center
window,
just
a
lack
of
an
opportunity
for
landscape
or
landscape
lighting
in
and
around
this
fitness
center.
I
G
The
fitness
center
feels
depressing
not
not
like
an
enjoyable
experience,
the
whole
360
degree
circumference
of
it
even
the
the
this
three
foot
overhang.
I
almost
want
to
see
it
wrap
the
entire
circumference
of
it.
If
it's
going
to
be
added,
including
this
or
maybe,
there's
an
eyebrow
to
be
added
on
this
clear
story
window
in
the
rear
facade,
even
understandably,
maybe
this
is
the
north
and
doesn't
need
it,
but
maybe
there's
some
articulation
to
be
added
because
there's
this
plant
or
something
or
some
interest
or
there's
this
approach
to
it.
G
From
from
this
particular
angle,
that
was
my
observation.
There
go
ahead.
Ken
sorry
you're
pulling
up
the
landscape
plan,
yep.
D
G
Well,
just
noting
your
your
comments
here
on
from
your
staff
notes
from
from
the
beginning
of
the
presentation,
yes,
and
so
this
is,
I
was
expecting
to
see
quite
a
bit
more
than
this
looks
like
there's,
maybe
three
plant
materials
to
see
from
this,
because
what
you
were
saying
was
we
need
to
see
some
upsizing
and
materials,
I'm
not
even
seeing
any
materials
on
this,
and
then
I
see
no
lighting,
no
ground
cover-
or
maybe
maybe
there
is
some
ground
cover
here.
D
Well
in
this
particular
exhibit
this
material
that
you
see
in
this
particular
crosshatch
is
the
turf.
G
C
D
So
this
is
all
the
existing
turf
and
then
the
area
that's
proposed
for
new
landscape
material
happens
within
this
area.
Here
this
area
here
this
area
by
the
frontage
and
then
some
work
around
here
and
here
in
terms
of
the
plant
material,
then
again,
there's
a
little
bit
of
work
happening
here
by
the
back
end
of
the
fitness
center.
Let
me
just
get
down.
If
I
can
to
here,
is
there
oops?
I'm
sorry
here
is
their,
I
think,
plant
material
schedule.
If
you
will,
I.
G
G
D
And
the
comment
about
sizes
was
coming
from
the
aac's
comments
from.
G
Yep
something
back
to
the
the
lighting
that
you
were
talking
about
in
the
porkier.
Also.
I
noticed
that
no
one
touched
on
the
the
temperature,
the
kelvin
temperature
of
that,
and
I
noticed
it's
called
out
as
4
000
and
I'm
wondering
if.
D
I
have
spoken,
mr
lockheed,
I
have
spoken
with
the
applicant
on
that
and
they
are
willing
to
move
that
toward
a
more
warmer
temperature
around
a
3000
degree.
Kelvin.
G
So
those
are
my
observations
that,
along
with
your
comments,
also
about
softening
those
transitions
that
maybe
they
can
look
at
some
of
the
landscape
and
hardscape
throughout
now.
I
happen
to
notice
it
here
on
on
both
of
those
perspectives.
On
that
sheet,
I
called
out
a401.
You
can
see
it
on
that
bottom
perspective
and
that
top
perspective
that
there's
just
quite
I'm
not
sure
what
that
round.
Circular
pit
is
in
front
of
that
fitness
center
there,
but
I
think
that's
like
the
hot
tub
or
the
jacuzzi.
G
Potentially,
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
going
on
elsewhere
in
the
in
what
they're
proposing
in
this
fitness
area
or
that
front
entry
area,
in
other
words,
the
areas
of
focus
that
they're
presenting
here
also.
G
Oh,
that's!
Okay,
ken!
I
guess
that's
the
summary
of
my
comments.
So,
in
addition
to
what
our
fellows
here
have
spoken
about
tonight,
where
the
architecture
seems
out
of
line,
the
proposed
areas
of
focus
of
of
their
renovation
here
seem
out
of
line
with
the
existing
architecture.
These
other
things
seemed
just
kind
of
cold
and
depressing.
B
Thank
you,
member
pauline.
C
E
E
When
you
look
at
aerial
site
plan,
there's
there's
a
structure
out
there
right
now
and
then
there's
the
spa
and
it
just
seems
like
when
I
look
at
the
aerial
and
then
I
look
at
the
site
plan,
either
the
fitness
center's
much
larger
structure
than
what's
there
right
now,
because
to
address
member
locklear's
comments,
I
was
wondering
if,
if
it's
possible,
that
the
fitness
center
be
moved,
you
know
closer
to
the
parking
lot
to
create
more
space.
You
know
within
the
pool
area,
get
some
of
those
landscape
features.
E
He
talked
about
soften
the
hardscape,
and
so
I
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
plans
themselves
are
right
on
accurate,
because
I
did
not
find
a
sheet
that
shows
the
existing
structure.
That's
proposed.
That's
in
that
area,
that's
proposed
to
be
removed.
E
D
D
Here's
an
aerial
photo
just
from
google
maps,
of
course,
but
remember
doce.
This
is
some
of
the
area
you
were
talking
about,
and
this
is
the
circle
that
remember.
Lockheer
was
talking
about.
That's
the
hot
tub
and
correct
me
tom,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
but
the
footprint
of
the
new
fitness
center
kind
of
goes
in
this
general
area.
You
can
see
this
bit
of
an
arc
here
and
that
arc
is
an
existing
low,
plantar
wall.
E
So
there
I
know
it
needs
to
be
at
least
five
feet,
but
I
didn't
know
if
the
opportunity
exists
to
to
move
that
building
even
closer
to
the
parking
it's
kind
of
just
left
over
landscape
place
in
the
back,
and
it
might
be
more
beneficial
to
have
that.
D
F
I
think
my
frustration
is
that
candidly,
you
know
we.
We
talked
about
objections
six
months
ago
to
many
of
the
things
we're
talking
about,
but
not
to
the
level
of
objection
that
we're
hearing
tonight
and
we
we
could
certainly
have
taken
this
in
somewhat
different
directions.
Had
we
gotten
this
type
of
feedback.
F
Water
under
the
bridge-
but
I
just
I
guess
I
just
have
to
express
my
frustration
at
this
point
we
we
can.
We
can
take
all
of
this
into
consideration
and
see
what
can
be
done,
but
I
I'm
I'm
just
a
little
bit
over
overwhelmed
with
the
the
negativism
I'm
hearing
tonight.
B
Remember
dossie:
do
you
have
anything
more
you'd
like
to
add.
E
Yeah,
I
I
guess
to
readdress
you
know
I
don't.
I
don't
feel
that
it's
negativism,
but
more
as
an
opportunity
to
to
improve
what
we're,
seeing
and
and
really
with
with
the
site
plan
I'm
looking
at.
I
don't
think
the
location
of
this
building
where
they
have
it
has
enough
distance
from
the
you
know,
the
again
riverside
county
health
department
has
a
certain
codes
between
bodies
of
water
and
then
the
amount
of
deck
that
has
to
go
around
the
spa
before
you
get
to
the
face
of
that
building
and
just
from
a
graphics
standpoint.
E
B
All
right
anything
else
remember
dosey,.
E
Well,
you
know
and
not
going
back
into
the
history,
but
I
remember
when
this
project
first
came
through
the
aac
many
years
ago
and
there
was
a
number
of
reiterations
of
the
design
of
the
building
and
the
roof
pit
pitch,
and
so
what
we
see
built
had
gone
through
a
number
of
processes,
so
I
think
to
be
able
to
respect
that
is
important
to
make.
E
C
I
don't
know
that
I
have
much
to
add
other
than
it
seems
like
the
modern
elements
that
they're
trying
to
put
onto
the
front
to
the
port
of
share
and
the
squaring
off
of
the
building
in
the
front
doesn't
have
any
consistency
with
the
remaining
architecture.
That's
there,
but
I
pretty
much
consent
to
what
everyone
else
has
said
tonight.
B
Yeah,
the
only
I
I
you
know,
I
think
I've
stated
a
lot
previously.
I
think
in
terms
of
addressing
staff's
recommendations
and
which
I
will
find
here
and
the
items
we
brought
up
last
time.
You
know,
I
think
I
I
think
probably
the
best
way
forward
is
to
create
a
subcommittee
for
this.
For
this
project.
There
still
still
seems
to
be
a
number
of
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed.
B
B
B
In
terms
of
the
minor
details,
I
think
changing
the
temperature
of
the
lighting
under
the
canopy
needs
to
be
looked
at.
I'd
also
like
to
add
that
there
should
be
some
consistency
in
the
temperature
of
the
lighting
with
other
outdoor
lighting,
whether
it's
landscape
lighting
or
lighting
on
the
building,
so
that
they're,
so
that
whatever
we
see
from
under
the
canopy
matches
the
red.
What's
around
the
building
the
shade
structure
on
the
fitness
center?
Yes,
the
angle
of
the
slats
need
to
be
changed.
B
B
And
I
also
I
again
related
to
the
architecture
and
the
proposed
colors.
They
seem
incongruous
with
this
spanish
mission
style
architecture.
The
white
with
the
gray,
with
the
dark
gray
just
doesn't
seem
like
it's
going
to
work
well
on
this
particular
building.
B
B
Okay,
I'll
move
that
we
have
this
reviewed
by
a
subcommittee.
Is
that
a?
What
is
that?
Is
that
a
denial
david
or
is
that
are
continued?
I
think.
A
I
mean
it's
so
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
you
know
the
the
committee
can
do.
As
mr
lyon
said,
you
can
refer
the
matter
to
a
subcommittee
for
consideration.
A
A
It
would
just
be
a
denial,
but
if
you
think
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
to
improve,
based
on
the
recommendations
that
you've
heard
from
staff
as
well
as
the
comments
that
you've
gathered
tonight
from
the
committee,
you
know,
as
I
said,
you
can
recommend
that
a
subcommittee
review
the
matter
and
study
the
specific
changes
that
the
committee
would
like
to
see.
B
Well,
I'm
maybe
somebody
else
on
the
committee
can
help
direct
this.
I'm
I'm
at
a
little
bit
of
a
quandary,
because
I
think
there's
some
major
architectural
issues
that
a
completely
different
approach
needs
to
be
taken,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
applicant
is
willing
to
do
that.
A
B
Okay,
so
mr
young
or
mr
harper
hearing
the
comments
that
the
committee
has
made,
and
particularly
not
to
get
into
the
minutia
of
the
fitness
center
or
diminish
that.
But
I
think
the
bigger
issue
is
that
the
proposed
rebranding
of
this
courtyard
is
does
is
in
conflict
with
the
existing
architecture
of
the
building
and
and
are
you
in
any
way
able
to
address
that.
F
I
think
it's
difficult
to
to
answer
that
question
at
this
point.
There
are
issues
with
the
brand
itself
that
ownership
is
is
going
to
have
to
address.
I
mean
that
this
is.
This
is
somewhat
of
a
corporate
rebranding
and
there
there
there
has
been
some
latitude
in
the
past,
but
it
has
not.
It
has
been
a
not
been
a
complete
divert
diversion
from
from
from
the
the
basic
design
intent.
F
So
at
this
point
I
can't
I
can't
say
that
ownership
is
going
to
be
willing
or
that
the
brand
will
be
willing
to
take
this
in
the
directions
that
that
that
it
may
need
to
go.
So
in
all
due
respect,
I'm
we're
going
to
need
to
talk
with
with
the
ownership
group
about
it,
and
you
know
let
them
guide
us
and
and
how
we
move
forward.
F
Yes,
it
is
it's,
it's
a
it's
an
attempt
to
get
away
from
the
the
older
heavier
and
I'm
I'm
not
I'm
not
a
design
professional.
But
my
my
my
sense
is
it's
it's
it's.
F
It's
an
attempt
to
get
away
from
an
old
the
older,
heavier
large
dominance
of
the
portica
share
and
go
with
a
more
a
lighter,
more
open
concept,
and
we,
you
know
we
have,
and
we
we've
used
this
concept
with
the
with
the
tile
roof
motif
before
most,
notably
in
boulder
colorado,
where
we
integrated
this
portico
shea
concept
into
the
spanish
tile
roof,
and
we
did
some
more
elements
around
the
the
building
that
that
worked
very
well
and-
and
again,
I
thought
that's
what
we
were
doing
here,
but
and
we
responded
to
that
in
the
way
that
we
thought
the
the
that
was
required,
but
apparently
that
that
isn't
the
case
so
again
we're
talking
about
a
pretty
radical
departure
from
from
what
what
the
brand
is
trying
to
accomplish
and
there's
just
a
larger
discussion
that
needs
to
be
be
had
before
we
can
come
back
and
tell
you
what
we're,
what
we're
able
to
do.
D
Mr
vice
chair,
might
it
be
appropriate
as
a
possible
action
for
the
committee
tonight
to
table
this
matter
and
maybe
continue
it
to
a
date
uncertain,
giving
the
applicant
time
to
circle
back
around
with
their
ownership
team
to
decide,
as
he
said,
how
far
they
might
be
willing
to
adjust
this
design
scheme?
D
And
then
you
know
in
in
two
weeks
we
could
come
back
to
the
next
aac
meeting
or
a
week
or
whatever,
and
give
you
a
report
on
the
degree
to
which
they're
they're
willing
to
make
some
greater
design
changes,
and
then
we
can
get
this
back
on
track
for
the
aac
to
maybe
make
a
final
review
of
it.
Would
that
would
that
be
possible?
B
I
like
that
suggestion
so
I'll
I'll
put
it
to
the
committee.
I
move
that
we
table
this
item
until
some
date
unfair,
uncertain
until
the
candidate
the
applicant
can
come
back
to
us
and
give
us
some
response
to
the
comments
that
we've
made
have
a
second.
D
B
Okay,
we're
now
moving
on
to
new
business
item
number
three
community
development
llc
requesting
a
minor
architectural
application
for
the
renovation
of
an
existing
1
637
square
foot
vacant
building,
including
new
landscaping
parking
lot
upgrade
and
exterior
sign
for
a
new
dispensary
at
315
north
indian
canyon
drive.
May
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please.
C
H
Okay,
so
this
is
an
application
for
a
renovation
of
an
existing
building
located
at
and
get
the
next
slide
to
go.
Looking
at
311,
north
indian
canyon
drive.
So
this
is
a
2637
square
foot
building
that
is
vacant.
Currently
that
used
to
be
was
built
as
the
city's
greyhound
bus
station
in
1959,
so
you'll
see
that
the
site
has
a
the
palm
springs
life
building
to
the
south.
H
Tribal
land
is
across
indian
canyon
at
the
east
and
then
in
the
north
there's
a
a
building
that
is
used
currently
for
a
smoke
shop,
so
the
site
plan
that
was
submitted
includes
a
a
clockwise
circular
motion
for
vehicle
access
that
you'll
go
come
in
on
the
south
end
of
the
building
and
circulate
around
and
exit
on
the
north.
There
are
nine
parking
spaces
to
the
rear
of
the
site
in
one
handicapped
space
that
would
be
placed
close
to
the
building
providing
access.
H
This
plan
also
includes
the
lansky
plan
and
you'll
see.
One
of
our
conditions
of
approval
is
that
a
a
more
adequate
landscape
plan
be
submitted,
so
this
plan
shows
use
of
shade
trees
and
some
shrubs
along
the
north
wall
to
help
soften
that
wall.
So,
as
you
can
see,
there's
not
much
area
for
landscaping,
but
we
have
required
them
to
put
in
shade
trees
for
the
parking
lot
shading.
H
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
building
originally
was
the
bus
depot.
The
greyhound
station
and
staff
has
found
some
historic
photographs.
This
one
was
taken
in
1968
and
I'll
point
out
that
I'll
circle
some
items
here
so
on
the
south
elevation
there
was
a
the
front
door
was
here.
This
went
into
otto's
coffee
shop
and
then
on
the
front
elevation.
There
are
three
windows
along
indian
canyon,
so
in
a
more
recent
photo,
this
was
in
2008
so
30
years
later.
H
This
shows
the
south
elevation
of
at
that
time,
cowboy
way:
barbecue
restaurant,
the
front
door
with
this
sort
of
glass,
louvered
building,
I'm
sorry
window
above
it
and
then
the
front
facade
had
the
three
windows.
So
virtually
the
building
has
not
been
altered,
at
least
the
exterior
from
the
original
design.
So
and
the
proposal
that
they're
looking
to
renovate
is
to
use
a
seamless,
glass
front
street
front
street
system
that
will
be
able
to
see
into
the
property
the
roof
line.
The
vertical
roof
line
will
stay.
H
The
same
one
item
that
has
been
removed
is
the
glass
along
the
south
building
face
they've
added
a
double
slider
door
to
have
it
gain
access
into
the
site,
and
then
there
was
a
door
here
that
went
into
another
unit
space
and
I'm
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
original
or
not
so,
you'll
see
that
traffic
circulates
in
on
the
south
side
between
the
building
and
the
palm
springs
life
building,
and
then
circulates
back
out
next
to
the
smoke
shop.
H
They
provided
some
other
renderings
of
what
it
will
look
like
at
night.
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
there
are
lights
that
are,
can
lights
that
are
up
in
the
eaves
of
the
building
in
the
when
the
original
1968
pictures.
It
shows
that
these
lights
are
there
and
then
also
they're,
adding
mechanical
equipment
onto
the
roof
and
we'll
show
some
mechanical
screening
in
just
a
minute.
H
So
currently,
this
is
the
state
of
the
building.
As
you
know,
it's
been
vacant
it.
It
needs
a
lot
of
improvement
and
we're
glad
that
somebody's
investing
in
putting
a
renovating
the
building
for
this
cannabis
dispensary
some
other
photographs
of
what
it
looks
like
now.
H
This
is
the
the
window
on
the
south
side
that
they're
looking
to
remove
and
then
the
door
towards
the
back,
and
then
this
is
looking
towards
the
the
rear
of
the
building.
They
will
resurface
and
re-slurry
the
parking
lot.
We
stripe
it
and,
as
we
mentioned
we'll,
add
some
shade
trees
looking
towards
the
indian
canyon
and
then
the
back.
This
will
be
paved
and
the
parking
goes
back
to
the
wall.
H
The
material
board.
That's
in
your
packet,
includes
the
glass
glassless
frames.
H
This
is
the
the
site
plan
and
then
you
have
building
elevation,
showing
the
details
of
the
renovation
and
then
a
photometric
plan.
So
the
photometric
plan
that
that
was
included
in
your
packet
has
been
revised.
This
is
the
the
correct
version.
H
One
other
issue
thing
that
the
ac
is
here
to
review
is
signage.
The
cannabis
ordnance
requires
the
aac
to
review
signage,
so
they're,
proposing
to
paint
this
column
this
yellow
and
then
the
lettering
is
a
metal
lettering
that
will
be
backlit,
so
there'll
be
lights
that
will
glow
at
night
they'll
say
the
hyperwolf,
the
name
of
the
dispensary
and
in
this
drawing
it
shows
a
planter
bed
in
the
front.
That's
not
there!
That
actually
is
just
a
rendering
the
renderer
took
that
and
ran
with
it,
and
it
shouldn't
be
there.
H
H
So
staff
recommends
that
that
the
glass
that
is
on
the
south
elevation
be
put
back
and
that
very
final
landscape
plan
be
reviewed
at
staff
level
and,
as
I
mentioned,
they
did
come
in
with
a
revised
photometric
plan
that
meets
the
zoning
code
so
chair.
That
concludes
my
report
and
I
can
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
H
B
H
Temperature,
so
it
does
it
lists
lumens
as
negative
one
which
isn't
really
what
we're
looking
for.
However,
they
do
meet
the
the
allowable
max
bin,
which
is
what
the
code
looks
at
as
far
as
illumines
versus
the
max
versus
minimus.
4
is
light
intensity.
B
E
E
E
H
Right
so
in
this
plan
they're
putting
in
curb
next
to
the
handicapped
space
because
they
need
to
have
that
near
nearest
the
building,
and
then
you
see
these
trees
up
here
they
kind
of
are
floating.
So
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
wanted
to
see
a
more
better
plan.
Are
they
in?
In
a
curb
I
mean
it
doesn't
really
sorry,
it
doesn't
really.
E
H
So
the
the
property
line
goes
right
up
to
this
to
the
front
facade,
so
they
would
have
to
go
through
an
easement
process
and
always
the
way
the
engineering
department
wants
to
go.
B
J
All
right
good
evening,
members
of
the
commission-
this
is
gary
miller
with
miller
architectural
corporation,
also
on
the
line
is
nick
wollam,
the
owner
and
mike
bedell
our
project
architect.
J
J
J
It
does
need
some
structural
upgrades
and
we
wanted
a
portion
of
that
wall
for
to
function
as
a
shear
wall.
Two,
as
we
have
a
lot
of
east
facing
glass,
we
were
concerned
about
heat
gain
and
wanted
to
reduce
some
of
the
south-facing
glass,
even
though
some
of
it's
under
an
overhang,
the
overhang's
quite
high.
J
Third,
we
were
from
an
aesthetic
standpoint.
We
were
trying
to
develop
this
very
open
feeling
towards
the
street
and
then
to
contrast
or
accent
that
by
closing
off
a
little
more
of
the
south
facing
glazing,
we
understand
that
it
is
a
mid-century,
modern
building
and
that's
often
how
they
did
things,
but
we
would
like
to
give
it
a
little
more
21st
century
twist
on
mid-century
modern.
J
Then
I'd
like
to
turn
some
time
to
mr
wallam
to
talk
about
some
operational
concerns
with
respect
to
the
glazing.
Oh
I'm
sorry,
one
other
item.
J
We
also
need
wall
area
to
display
product
and
with
an
entire
facade
facing
east.
That
is
all
glass.
We
were
looking
for
some
place
for
display
so
now,
nick
if
you'd
be
kind
enough
to
speak
up.
I
Yes,
thank
you
gary.
Thank
you
seth
and
council.
I
appreciate
your
time.
We
reviewed
this
and
we
spoke
to
our
security
consultant
and
they
brought
up
a
concern
as
well.
There
is
a
public
sidewalk,
very
close
to
our
property
line
and
we're
trying
to
kind
of
relocate.
The
door
shift
the
door
if
you
will
back
a
little
bit
from
the
sidewalk
to
kind
of
secure
the
engine.
I
I
We
were
very
limited
with
space,
and
so
we
really
tried
to
maximize
the
functionality
of
the
retail
front
and
adding
that
wall
and
one
of
the
things
too
as
well,
is
it's
going
to
be
a
concrete
texture,
so
we
wanted
to
modernize
it,
and
we
believe
that
that
that
face
alone
is
actually
very
aesthetically.
Appealing
like
gary
said
aesthetically
we
did
design
that
with
intent.
I
We
do
want
to
keep
the
overall
aesthetics
of
the
building,
though
we
agree
me
personally
when
we
purchased
the
building.
It
was
always
important
for
us
to
preserve
the
aesthetics.
The
the
architect
is
very
renowned
in
the
area.
We
did
a
lot
of.
You
know
research
on
him,
and
so
it
was
important
to
us
to
preserve
that
and
so
we're
not
really
making
any
major
modifications
that
gary
highlighted.
You
know
our
general
contractor
was
on
site
and
there
was
some
concerns
for
structural
support.
B
I
One
other
thing
I'll
touch
on
too
real
quick
on
the
landscaping.
The
driveways
on
both
sides
of
the
building
are
actually
very
small,
and
so
we
were
concerned
about
putting
a
planter
too
far
out
and
limiting
the
the
driveway
the
enter
and
exit.
I
So
we
wanted
to
keep
those
entryways
pretty
accessible,
and
that
was
the
intent
there.
We
are
intending
to
plant
like
some
type
of
greenery
and
iv
along
the
walls,
the
perimeter
walls,
three
of
the
perimeter.
Walls
are
basically
properly
property
lines
and
we
want
to,
basically,
you
know,
put
some
type
of
iv
or
something
aesthetically
to
cover
that.
I
And
we're
happy
to
go
in
with
staff
and
and
design
something
lands
from
a
landscape
standpoint
that
meets
all
the
standards
and
criteria
we
feel
really
privileged
to
be
in
the
downtown
area.
We
think
it's,
you
know
an
amazing
area
to
be
in,
and
so
we're
just
very
wanted
to
kind
of
design
within
what
the
elements
already
kind
of
look
like
so
again,
we're
trying
not
to
change
too
much.
B
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Do
we
have
any
from
anybody
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
make
a
comment
on
this
item.
B
Does
not
appear
so
we'll
move
on
so
do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
applicant
from
the
committee.
E
Towards
the
west
side
of
the
site
plan
parking
lot,
there
is
about
any
26-foot
area.
What
happens
in
that
space.
J
That
is
fenced
off
or
there's
a
block
wall
that
exists
there
now,
so
we
were
planning
to
put
a
mix
of
wildflowers
in
there,
but
other
than
that.
There's
no
intention
to
develop
that
area.
I
Right
so
the
asphalt
will
be
removed
back
again,
so
cars
can
park
there
and
then
in
the
back
of
the
building.
If
you'll
see
on
the
site
from
the
aerial
view,
there's
a
loading
zone
we
are
in
taking,
you
know
highly
valuable
type
of
content,
so
we
have
a
secured
area
in
the
back.
I
If
you
look
there's
handicap
and
there's
also
a
loading
area,
that's
the
space
you're,
referring
to
further
on
all
the
way
to
that
back
west
wall
that
will
be
fully
landscaped
with
like
agave
type
style,
modern
desert,
landscaping
very
minimalistic
sand.
The
base
compact
sand
would
probably
be
the
base
and
we
would
actually
like
to
add
some
type
of
nature
lighting
for
the
evening
as
well.
I
C
Yeah
I
had
a
quick
one
on
two
of
the
evening,
renders
I
see
one
on
the
near
the
entrance.
I
C
I
Yeah,
so
you
can
see
that
the
texture
of
the
building,
the
color
of
the
building
again
everything
would
apply,
except
for
the
planner
in
the
front.
That's
public
domain.
I
The
uplighting
on
the
south
wall-
yes,
that
is
intended
all
right,
thank
you
and
that
would
apply
in
the
landscaping
as
well.
How
we
did
that
up
lighting?
We
would
try
to
do
similar
effects
via
landscaping
under
like
agave
style
plants
or
palm
trees,
to
try
to
cast
light
up
the
tree.
I
I
have
not
checked
personally,
but
I've
been
informed
by
staff
that
that
was
public
domain
and
it
looks
it
appears.
I've
had
the
water
department
out
there.
I've
had
gas
department
out
there
too,
and
they've
they've
made
a
similar
comment
that
that
the
gas
pipe
is
actually
on
public
domain.
A
A
It
shows
it's
got
50
feet
from
center
line
to
the
face
of
the
building.
So
unless
you
know
that's
an
accurate
measurement,
it
looks
like
it's
just
the
overhang
that
currently
is
extending
over
the
property
line,
but
you
know,
given
the
age
of
the
building,
it
wouldn't
be
uncommon,
for
you
know
right
of
ways
changed
over
time
on
our
major
thoroughfare,
so
we
may
have
required
more
in
more
recent
decades
than
previously.
B
Can
you
talk
to
me
about
your
entry
door?
It
looks
like
on
the
plans.
B
B
What
what.
B
Well,
the
rendering,
on
the
material
board,
the
color
board
as
an
example,
looks
like
it's
a
standard
sliding
glass
door
and
maybe
they
do
slide.
They
slide
into
some
sort
of
pocket.
But
on
your
plans
it
looks
very
different
and
the
elevation.
J
No,
no,
that
is
correct,
just
as
you
described
it
just
as
the
floor
plan
shows
okay
and
then
the
moving
panels
slide
over
the
sidelines.
J
I
think
there
might
be
a
minor
scale
difference
on
the
rendering,
as
illustrated
in
the
color
board.
J
The
idea
is
to
have
a
single
opening
full
of
eight
feet
and
then
the
the
sliding
panels.
Each
are
three
feet.
B
J
It's
seven
feet:
we'd
love
to
go
eight,
but
the
building
has
very
low
ceilings.
We're
gonna
stay
with
seven.
B
You're
at
seven,
but
the
storefront
along
indian
canyon
is
at
nine
feet.
B
Okay
and
the
concrete
wall
treatment
that
is
along
that
whole
south
wall
is
that
right.
B
B
The
other
other
thing
I
saw
in
the
rendering
and
you
submitted
quite
a
package
on
the
screening
of
the
hvac
equipment,
the
rooftop
equipment.
It
shows
that
the
screening
has
sort
of
a
little
pediment
on
it
and
yeah
right
there.
You
can
see
it
given
the
building
this
building's
architecture,
the
simplicity
of
this
building's
architecture.
B
I
would
hope
that
you
come
up
with
something
that
is
equally
as
simple
for
the
screening
and
that,
if
there's
a
way
to
avoid
having
that
little,
that
would
be
beneficial.
J
B
Okay
and
then
going
I'm
sorry,
I'm
jumping
around
a
little
bit,
but
going
back
to
the
entrance,
I'm
just
wondering,
because
when
you
look
at
that
elevation
and
you
look
at
this
rendering
the
entrance
kind
of
looks
lost
and
I
don't
know
whether
it
looks
and
and
proportionately
the
eight
foot
wide,
opening
and
seven
foot
six
high
just
seems
not
right.
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
would
consider
possibly
creating
some
kind
of
transom
effect
above
that
that
gives
a
little
bit
more
prominence
to
this
entrance.
J
The
transfer
could
be
done.
We
could
do
that
with
a
spandrel
glass.
J
We
we
don't
have
the
I
mean
we're
trying
to
keep
within
the
constraints
of
the
structure,
so
we'd
rather
not
make
that
a
transparent
glass,
but
if
a
a
a
mandrel
panel
that
imitates
well,
that
would
be
glass.
You
just
can't
see
through
it.
If
that
would
be
acceptable,
we
could
do
that.
B
J
Yes,
we
could
do
that
yeah
so
for
the
tiffany
window
look,
but
we
can
do
that.
B
D
B
Elevation
yeah
it,
it
just
seems.
I
don't
know
given
that,
given
the
height
of
that
opening
and
the
overhang,
it
just
seems
insignificant.
B
I
I
I'd
like
to
just
point
out
one
thing:
it's
a
cannabis
dispensary,
so
we
do
have
some
odor
issues,
the
larger
the
access
point.
We
we
make
the
more
opportunity
for
air
to
escape.
I
We've
had
so
many
constraints
with
this
building
because
again
we're
trying
to
keep
the
overall
elements
of
the
building
intact,
and
so
we've
been
challenged
greatly
to
meet
all
of
these
requirements,
yet
preserve
the
aesthetics
of
this
building.
I
So
I
I
just
want
to
highlight
that
that
again,
the
for
the
design
point
is
to
not
make
a
huge
entrance
again
to
not
allow
air
inside
and
out
and
also
for
air
conditioning
reasons
as
well,
we're
in
the
desert
in
the
summer
the
bigger
the
entrance,
the
more
air
is
going
to
be
coming
in
and
out,
and
so
that
was
the
intent
there.
B
Yeah,
I'm
not
I'm
not.
I
mean
it
would
be
nice
if
you
could
do
a
lot
of
a
higher
entrance,
but
given
the
cost-
and
you
know
structural
issues
and
all
that
all
I'm
suggesting
is
that
maybe
there's
a
way
to
make
that
entrance
more
predominant
than
what
it
currently
is
without
compromising
any
the
odor
issues
or
air
conditioning
or
that
sort
of
thing.
J
And
if
absolutely
nick,
what
we
had
proposed
nick
was
a
simulated
larger
entrance,
but
it
wouldn't
actually
increase
the
opening
area.
K
A
Mr
vice
chair
rahman,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
also
from
my
comments
earlier,
and
there
is
also
the
opportunity
to
get
an
encroachment
agreement
from
our
engineering
office.
They
would
have
to
evaluate,
if
there's
any
impacts,
to
do
that.
You
know
for
public
easements
and
things
like
that
or
existing
utilities.
That
might
be
there
on
the
sidewalk,
but
that
could
be
an
opportunity
to
have
a
small
planter
in
front
of
the
storefront.
C
Hey
robert,
I
have
one
more
question
for
the
applicant:
the
existing
storefront
windows
that
were
there
on
the
south
side
that
you're
proposing
to
cover.
Are
they
at
the
same
level
as
the
height
wise
as
the
ones
that
are
on
the
east
side
of
the
building
existing
ones?
That
are
there
that
the
staff
is
recommending
that
you
keep.
J
Well,
they
appear
to
be,
you
can
see
from
the.
If
you
go
back
to
the
photograph,
there's
a
seven
foot
store
front
door
and
about
an
18
inch,
an
18
inch
trans
transom.
J
C
J
I
Yeah
again,
I
I'll
just
state
what
I
stated
earlier
is
you
know
our
concealed
conservative
consultant
brought
this
concern
up
that
the
entry
was
too
close
to
the
public
sidewalk.
We're
also
concerned
about
odor
issues
on
the
public
sidewalk.
C
C
If
you're
talking
about
wall
space
so
inside
the
room,
you're
just
flipping
the
door
from
one
side
to
the
other,
so
you'd
have
the
same
wall
space
inside.
I
understand
your
argument
about
the
odor
but
the
as
far
as
retail
space
inside.
If
you
have
an
opening
on
one
side
and
you
don't
on
the
other
and
you're
just
moving
the
door
space
you're
still
gonna
have
the
same
opportunity.
Insight
for
wall
space.
I
And
so
the
point
is
for
security
purposes
to
to
have
staff
behind
there.
Obviously
that
for
support
and
to
check
in
and
to
id
individuals
on,
there's,
there's,
obviously
age
restrictions
in
entering
this
building
that
we
have
to
meet
so
that
again,
I
think
for
the
purpose
of
this
building.
I
think
it's
a
little
bold
to
put
the
entry
point
next
to
a
public
sidewalk.
C
I
B
Can
I
for
just
a
topic
of
conversation
so
in
the
existing
building
on
that
south
elevation,
where
the
door
is?
Maybe
that
you
keep
that
three
foot
wide
space
and
put
that
in
as
a
window
a
fix
window.
B
So
that
when
you
see
this
building,
you
have
that
sort
of
glazed
corner
look
and
as
you're
coming
from
the
south
heading
north,
you
can
see
more
into
your
space,
which
would
be,
I
think,
a
benefit
to
you
and
then
maybe,
instead
of
an
eight
foot
wide
door,
you
re-think
that
and
go
down
to
a
six
foot
wide
door.
Six
wide
wide
opening.
B
Then
you're
still
only
losing
maybe
a
foot
of
sheer.
If
you
and
if
you
you
know-
and
maybe
maybe
you
still
need
that
foot
of
sheer-
then
maybe
you
change
your
entrance
a
little
bit.
But
I
think
I
think
member
thompson's
point
and
staff's
point
about
trying
to
maintain
the
glazing
at
the
corners
is
a
is
a
ballot
point
and
I
think
a
nice
compromise
would
be
to
at
least
maintain
three
foot
of
it
or
30
inches
of
it
on
the
south
elevation
and
adjust
the
entrance
a
little
bit.
I
I'm
not
sure
I
fully
understand.
Are
you
proposing
to
put
a
a
window
like
a
three
three
foot
window
on
that
edge.
B
Yeah,
if
the
staff
will
yes
well,
even
if
staff
would
pull
up
one
of
the
original
build
existing
building
photos.
B
There
we
go
so
see
where
the
door
is
on
the
south
elevation
in
that
corner.
I
C
I
Yeah,
I
I,
if
I
understand
correctly,
I
don't
think
that
that
I
think
that
can
be
a
compromise.
If
that
satisfies
both
council
and
staff,
you
know.
C
You
could
think
about
a
spandrel
panel
and
that
the
the
whole
length
of
that
opening
as
well
you'd
still
have
your
display
space
inside,
and
it
would
give
the
impression
of
the
window
the
full
full
width
of
that
from
the
outside.
I
One
of
the
things
that,
because
we
have
so
much
glass
on
the
front-
and
we
are
in
the
desert
in
such
a
low
profile
building,
I'm
concerned
about
some
sunlight
and
heating
elements,
we're
going
to
be
kind
of
a
fish
bottle
of
you
know
fish
jar
already.
So
that
was
one
of
my
concerns
because
the
sunlight
is
very
intense
on
the
building.
J
J
It's
just
basically
a
possibly
a
fake
window,
but
if
I
may
speak
to
the
aesthetics
and
if
you
could
go
back,
please
to
the
the
color
board,
rendering.
J
We
and
I
think
where
we
perhaps
are.
J
J
There
is
concern
in
the
community
that
cannabis
dispensaries
need
to
be
secure,
but
from
so
that's
the
kind
of
one
of
the
images
and
we
feel
we're
secure
because
facing
the
street.
There's
lots
of
there's
ability
to
see
what's
going
on
inside,
but
the
other
cons.
What
we're
trying
to
achieve
aesthetically
is
sort
of
this
solid
backdrop
against
the
sign
and
then.
J
With
with
that
step
in
the
roof,
you
have
this.
In
our
opinion,
this
nice
strong,
bold
fascia
and
it
seems
to
beg
to
have
something
strong
and
stable
to
support
it.
And
so
we
tried
to
keep
the
simplicity
that
is
known
with
the
mid-century
modern,
but
do
this
one
twist
where
we
had
this
one
solid
mass
which,
in
our
opinion
is
a
nice
contrast
to
the
completely
transparent
east
facade
so
to
introduce
a
window
at
that
corner?
J
I
think
accomplishes
what
may
be
the
commission's
desire
to
to
still
hail
back
to
the
mid-century
modern,
open
corner
window
thing,
but
it's
at
least
is
conflicting
with
our
hope
of
having
this
big
solid
mass
as
a
contrast
to
the
transparent
east
facade.
J
So
conclude,
sorry
that
was
such
a
long
discussion,
but
the
the
summary
of
that
is
we
really
like
the
contrast
between
the
transparent
on
the
front
and
the
solid
on
the
on
the
left
and
introducing
an
additional
window
on
the
left.
We
think
would
compromise
that.
Having
said
that,
it's
I
don't
think
it's
a
deal
killer
for
the
owner
or
us
is,
but
that's
our
preference.
I
I
agree
if
it
would
satisfy
council
and
staff,
we
would
do
it
from
a
personal
design
standpoint.
I
I
feel
that
it
aesthetically
looks
better
without
it.
E
I
have
one
question,
or
maybe
this
is
for
staff
are:
are
they
required
to
have
a
area
with
a
dumpster
or
for
a
trash
collection
on
site.
H
Yes,
they
would
need
to
have
a
trash
enclosure,
and
my
understanding
is
that
these
dispensaries
do
not
have
a
lot
of
trash
associated
with
it.
But
of
course
you
know
if,
if
you
know
the
use
were
to
move,
then
something
else
would
move
in
that
they
would
it's
a
requirement,
so
it
would
have
to
be
on
a
plan.
Yes,.
B
Okay,
all
right
that
so
then
we
go
to
the
committee
discussion.
C
Me
first,
I
I
don't
necessarily
by
the
argument
why
the
original
window
can't
stay
and
that
be
the
new
door
and
leave
the
part
in
the
back.
I
understand
they're
aesthetic
what
they're
going
for,
but
I
I
disagree
with
that.
I
think
it
would
look
better
if
the
height
of
that
window
was
the
same
as
the
ones
on
the
front.
It
looks
kind
of
diminutive
on
the
side
where
they've
got
it.
C
C
Yeah,
I
agree
with
those
comments.
I
think
if
we
could
get
a
a
planter
approved
in
the
front,
it
would
really
soften
the
front
of
the
building.
I,
the
the
render
of
the
the
evening
render
with
the
you
know
on
the
color
page,
is
looks
great,
the
way
that
the
cactuses
light
against
the
wall.
C
So,
if
that's
at
all
possible,
I
think
we
should
we
should
go
for
it,
I'm
less
convinced
about
the
window
on
the
corner,
I'm
you
know,
I
think,
if
we
can,
if
we
can
make
the
entrance
a
bit
more
more
stately,
I
think
that
would
help
that
facade,
but
I
kind
of
I
don't
mind
the
the
contrast
between
the
the
large
windows
and
the
and
the
more
smooth
wall,
especially
when
it's
going
to
be
up
lit
like
that.
C
I
think
it
it'll
look
quite
nice,
then
my
only
other
concern
is
that
you
know
I'm
I'm
a
little
bit
worried
about
that
kind
of
dead
space
behind
the
parking
lot.
You
know
being
becoming
kind
of
a
home
like
a
trash
kind
of
area
that
you
know
that
will
be
become
unkempt.
If
it's
not
really
well
thought
out,
that's
my
comment.
G
Yeah,
I
see
rick
manjaros
on
the
call,
but
I
can
can
I
pick
his
brain
wake
him
up
catch
him.
Sleeping
put
him
on
the
spot.
Sure
you
can
oh
rick.
G
So
is
there
any
way
that
maybe
there's
some
some
way
that
the
city
I
mean
it's?
It
looks
like
20
feet.
Maybe
three
or
four
feet
is
occupied
by
those
planters,
those
cutouts
for
those
palm
trees.
Now
is
there
some
way
there
would
be
a
cut
out
allowed
in
that
concrete
walkway
in
front
of
that
building.
C
Yeah,
if,
if,
if
you
guys
would
like
what
we
could
do
is
work
with
the
applicant,
we
could
get
with
felipe
primera
in
our
office
who
handles
the
encroachment
agreements
and
what
we'd
have
to
do
is
go
out
there
in
the
field
and
actually
make
sure
that
we're
not
creating
any
ada
clearance
spaces
around
some
of
the
tree
wells
or
maybe
some
other
utility
boxes
or
anything
that
might
be
in
the
way.
C
We
do
have
a
lot
of
these
encroachment
agreements
throughout
indian
and
downtown
area.
It
just
has
to
meet
our
criteria
and
if
it
does
meet
it
and
they
do
some
utility
locating
and
it's
not
going
to
be
setting.
You
know,
plants
or
something
like
that
on
top
of
a
utility
line,
then
they
could
work
with
it.
It's
not
free.
There
is
a
there
is
a
fee
and
an
application
for
that,
but
we
could
work
with
the
applicant
to
see
if
it's
feasible.
G
Yeah,
so
not
guaranteed,
not
free
but
maybe
doable,
and
you
know
that
I
imagine
that
facade
just
gets
takes
a
beating
from
the
heat
also,
and
so
it
just
be
a
real
enhancement
if
it
could
cut
down
on
some
heat
there
from
planting
something
on
there.
Also,
we.
C
Could
work
with
them
and
if
it
works
out
to
that
it
could
be
done,
then
we'll
work
with
them
on
making
it
happen.
C
G
That's
that
sounds
great
thanks
a
lot
I
didn't
catch
you
I
was
trying
thanks
rick.
I
say
one
comment.
B
B
D
G
G
It's
item
number
seven
points
to,
and
then
it
shows
24
inches
measured
to
the
outside
of
that
curve,
which
at
best
guess
could
be
18
inches
on
the
inside
dimension
of
that
planter,
which
doesn't
allow
too
much
for
a
hedge
there
at
all.
I'm
not
sure
what
kind
of
hedge
is
proposed
there,
but
not
going
to
be
too
much
that's
going
to
survive
in
there.
So
I'd
like
to
recommend
that
we
propose
a
wider
planter
in
there
and
get
some
real
landscape
along
that
entire.
G
It
looks
like
there's
plenty
of
room
for
for
planting
along
there
if
we
could
get
an
even
wider,
maybe
a
three
or
three
and
a
half
foot
planter
along
there
and
increase
that
if
there's
still
enough
room
for
whiting,
especially
if
it's
only
one-way
traffic
on
that
exit
path,
there,
maybe
there's
they
they're
showing
dollars.
I
think
is
that
symbol
number
18,
that's
uplighting,
oh
it's
uplighting
is
there.
Is
it
possible
to
get
planting
along
that
north
side
of
the
facade
there.
B
G
B
G
You
guys
own
this
building,
isn't
that
right,
correct
mm-hmm,
if
landscape
plan,
this
site
plan
looks
like
this
is
another
example
going
similar
to
my
comments
on
that
previous
project,
where
there's
a
lot
of
hard
on
hard
surface
here,
where
these
very
hard
surfaces,
horizontal
surfaces,
meeting
these
very
hard
vertical
surfaces,
not
a
ton
of
room
for
the
drainage,
and
you
know
the
roof
plan
draining
to
the
site
plan,
which
is
kind
of
a
recipe
for
poor
drainage.
G
Anyway,
I
might
recommend
that
you
guys
look
at
some
additional
planners
along
the
north
side
of
the
facade
here,
including
right
there
on
the
north
side
of
the
loading
zone.
G
I'm
not
sure
why
you
wouldn't
want
to
just
cut
some
planters
into
there
why
you
need
the
flexibility
to
to
have
not
have
a
permanent
planter
area
north
of
the
loading
zone
and
north
of
the
facade
of
that
building
there,
along
the
entire
north
facade.
G
I
felt
in
a
similar
way
along
the
south
property
line
where
you
just
show
you
have
a
number
two
which
says
property
line.
Why
not
have
a
planter
along
that
entire
south
property
line,
and
I
felt
like
there
was
a
rendering
somewhere
that
showed
a
hedge.
It
is
but
there's
no
hedge
proposed
on
the
site
plan.
G
G
G
B
Thank
you,
who's.
Next
member
dozy.
E
Thank
you.
I
I
agree
with
member
locklear
on
developing
planter
along
the
north
side
and
and
even
along
the
south
side
as
well
to
somehow
you
know,
tie
whether
even
it
could
be
a
flush
curb
or
whatever,
but
to
somehow
define
you
know
the
building
and
walkways
from
the
asphalt
areas
and-
and
I
would
also
like
to
see
that
the
hardscape
be
clearly
defined
as
it
shows
in
the
renderings
from
the
asphalt.
E
So
there's
because
one
of
the
you
know
the
walkway
comes
from
the
rear
of
the
building
towards
the
front
to
the
door
there
and
that
that
hardscape
be
clearly
defined
either
as
a
new
material
or
some
type
of
image,
and
I
think
that
we
do
need
to
see
a
more
refined
landscape
plan
when
it
comes
back,
particularly
addressing
that
area
west
of
the
parking
lot
that
open
space
and
and
I'm
okay
with
the
the
proposed
entry
and
the
solid
wall
that
they
show
up
lit.
E
I
think
that
kind
of
makes
creates
some
drama
along
there.
So
that's
the
end
of
my
comments.
A
Yeah,
I
just
I
wanted
to
kick
off
a
couple
things
here.
I
think
the
opportunity
to
secure
a
minor
encroachment
permit
and
get
a
little
bit
of
planting
on
the
front
of
the
building
on
that
east
elevation
would
be
a
good
thing.
I
I
think
that
the
south
elevation
is
is
okay,
I
think,
as
explained
by
the
architect
and
the
owner
it.
It
does
make
some
sense
to
me.
A
I
think
one
of
the
the
issues,
though,
might
be
the
lack
of
of
understanding
where
the
front
door
is
it's
kind
of
architecture,
101
and
the
fact
that
it's
sort
of
around
the
side.
There
is
a
challenge,
and
I
kind
of
as
I
look
at
it.
I
almost
think
that
there
needs
to
be
some
visual
magnet,
quick,
visual
magnet
at
the
end
of
that
walk,
right,
adjacent
to
the
door.
A
You
know
a
plant
or
something
that
that
animates,
that
that
point
where
the
front
door
is
a
little
more
successfully
and
again
it's
because
that
first
time
visit
you,
I
think
it
could
be
confusing
to
understand
where
the
door
is
and
then
the
the
one-way
entrance
and
exit.
I
understand
why
they
would
happen.
It
just
seems
like
you
other
than
arrows
on
the
ground.
Is
there
some
sort
of
signage
or
whatever
that
would
alert?
You
do
not
turn
right
at
that.
A
First
northern
entrance,
because
traffic
does
come
down
there
on
indian,
a
pretty
good
clip,
and
I
could
just
see
that
being
a
little
bit
problematic
and
then
my
last
point
was
yeah.
I
mean
much
of
this
is
a
need
for
a
developed
landscape
plan,
site
plan
landscape
plan,
including
drainage,
absolute
specifics
in
terms
of
the
planting
that
space
at
the
west
end
that
just
kind
of
looks
like
no
man's
land
needs
to
be
grabbed
and
integrated
into
the
overall
project,
but
I
think
it's
a
delightful
building.
A
H
B
The
signage
is
fine,
I
think
it
actually
works
well
with
the
building
and-
and
I
will
repeat,
remember
walsh
and
locklear's
comments
on
how
what
a
delightful
improved
you
know,
remodel
or
resurrection
of
this
building.
B
I
also
I
I
agree
that
the
south
elevation
doesn't
really
need
that
corner
that
that
window,
but
I
do
think
that
something
needs
to
happen
to
announce
the
entrance
more,
whether
it's
the
transom
or
something.
But
to
me
the
entrance
is
lost
not
only
from
from
indian
canyon,
but
also
from
that
soul.
South
elevation.
B
B
I
think
it
needs
to
be
developed,
more
thought
out
more
and
I
think
yeah
I
I
yeah,
I
don't
I
don't,
and,
and
I
and
it
should
include
a
trash
enclosure.
So
with
that
I'd
like
unless
somebody
else
has
some
comments.
I'd
like
a
motion.
C
I
I
just
want
to
add
one
thing,
as
I'm
looking
at
google
maps
at
the
building
to
the
south,
which
is
the
sun
building,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
kind
of
hard
to
get.
I
don't
know
if
we'd
want
to
have
a
tall
hedge
on
that
side,
because
it
really
could
conflict
with
the
architecture
of
the
of
that
building
on.
G
I
think
that's
a
good
point,
I
think,
as
I
was
looking
towards
the
south
on
even
one
of
their
photos,
I
thought
how
nice
it
would
be
for
the
folks
from
the
south
to
look
towards
the
north
into
their
refreshed
parking
lot.
So
kind
of
agree
with
that.
E
I'll
make
a
motion
for
for
approval
that
would
incorporate
the
comments
regarding
a
planter
along
the
north
side
of
the
building
that
they
come
back
with
a
complete
landscape
or
a
site
plan
and
landscape
plan,
detailed
site
plan
and
landscape
plan.
E
And
that
there,
the
hardscape
be
defined
clearly
from
the
asphalt
parking
drives
and
parking
area
and
to
encourage
them
to
tie
the
loading
dock
and
the
proposed
planters
and
tree
wells
in
the
back
of
the
building,
together
with
some
type
of
edge
or
curb.
Even
if
it's
a
flush
curb
but
to
better
delineate
the
spaces
adjacent
to
the
building.
G
A
G
C
B
C
B
B
There
we
go
better
yeah,
yes,
thank
you,
mr
locker,
so
we're
moving
on
now
to
item
number
four
greg:
hickey
owner,
proposing
construction
of
a
3946
square
foot
single-family
residence
on
a
hillside
lot
located
at
2274
winter
sun
drive
planning
area
for
desert
palisades
pacific
plan.
May
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please?
Yes,.
D
Indeed,
well,
as
you
know,
a
desert
palisades
house
has
lots
and
lots
of
charts
and
tables
to
go
through,
which
is
why
you
have
a
horribly
long,
22
page
staff
report.
But
let
me
go
through
the
slides
here
real
quickly
and
introduce
you
to
this
house
and
our
recommendations
and
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
So,
as
the
chair
read
into
the
item,
this
is
a
desert,
palisades
house
3946
square
feet
with
pools
and
terraces.
D
The
grade
change
on
this
lot
is
roughly
20
feet
from
west
to
east,
going
downward
in
that
direction.
There's
a
boulder
berm
along
the
rear
or
north
side
of
the
lot,
as
you
can
see
from
this
photo
by
the
way,
are
you
getting
my
shared
screen
or
not?
No,
I
beg
your
pardon,
I'm
so
sorry,
I'm
sitting
here
enjoying
the
the
powerpoint.
You
guys
don't
get
the
advantage
of
it.
D
Okay,
so,
as
I
was
saying,
there's
the
size
of
the
house:
great
change
of
20
feet
roughly
west
to
east
boulder
berm
along
the
rear
which
buffers
the
views
of
the
homes
from
tramway
and
the
project
is
proposed
to
have
a
naturalized
landscape
design.
D
As
you
can
see
from
the
site
plan
here,
the
home
is
basically
an
l-shaped
home
with
the
steps
with
the
topography
of
the
lot.
So
it's
it's
generally
higher
on
the
west
side
and
it
steps
down
as
the
home
goes
goes
toward
the
master
suite,
which
is
at
the
far
east
end.
The
design
necessitates
a
fairly
large
area
to
be
graded
because
of
the
l-shaped
configuration
of
the
house
and
the
large
terrace
area
that
you
see
behind
that
large
front
wall.
D
One
item
I
would
note,
which
differs
a
bit
or
deviates
from
the
development
standards
or
the
design
guidelines
for
desert
palisades
pacific
plan-
is
that
the
garage
door
on
this
particular
proposal
does
face
the
street
and
does
have
a
16
foot
wide
driveway.
Now
the
desert
palisades
guidelines
encourage
garage
doors
to
be
screened
or
offset
or
set
to
the
side
in
this
particular
case,
due
to
the
topography
and
the
heavy
amount
of
rock
that
exists
on
the
west
edge
of
the
lot.
D
The
architect
originally
had
this
garage
set
90
degrees
taking
side
access,
but
it
just
wasn't
working,
and
so
it
was
reoriented.
As
you
see
here.
The
one
item
that
I
will
note
is
the
driveway
is
16
feet
wide.
The
desert
palisades
specific
plan
requires
them
only
to
be
14
feet
wide.
So
we've
noted
that
that
doesn't
conform
in
that
regard,
but
it
is
fairly
close.
Obviously,
the
difference
between
14
and
16
feet
here
are
the
elevations
of
the
home,
starting
in
the
lower
right
hand
corner
this.
D
Is
the
street
facade
and
there's
this
very
large
rock
veneer
wall
with
a
steel
plate
framing
that
sets
up
a
certain
cadence
or
rhythm
to
the
partitions
in
this
wall.
The
wall
has
a
large
opening
here
with
a
very
large
cantilevered
cover
here
that
is
announces
the
pedestrian
entry
into
the
home.
D
This
elevation,
you
see
here
is
the
east.
This
large
black
element
here
in
front
is
the
pool
the
pool
has
a
fairly
large
or
tall
wall,
which
is
the
side
of
the
pool
it
kind
of
sticks
out
of
the
ground,
as
it
goes
to
the
east
and
one
of
the
items
you're
going
to
see
as
I
discuss
this
further.
Is
that
we'll
be
needing
some
screening
to
reduce
the
overall
impact
of
that
seven
foot
high
wall?
D
This
is
the
north
or
the
rear
facade
of
the
home,
it's
very
simplistic,
volumetric
white
or
light
gray,
with
the
various
openings
that
you
see,
and
here
you
will
note,
there's
a
very
large
and
dramatic
cantilevered
roof
that
comes
off
the
master
bedroom
suite
toward
the
east
and
then.
Lastly,
this
is
the
west
elevation
here.
D
This
site
section
gives
you
a
brief
sense.
This
is
looking
south
so
as
though
you
were
standing
slicing
this
looking
from
tram
way
toward
the
south.
Here
you
see
that
large
wall
of
the
east
edge
of
the
swimming
pool,
which
we'll
need
to
have
some
boulders
and
plantings
put
here
in
order
to
help
screen
it
and
there
you
can
see
the
overall
height
limits,
desert
palisades
has
a
height
limit
of
18
feet
and
the
home
for
the
most
part
does
conform
to
that.
D
There's
a
small
area
at
that
large
cantilever
at
the
master
bedroom
that
I
spoke
of
that
does
pop
through
the
overall
height
limit.
Very
very
slightly
here
you
can
see
a
perspective
so
in
this
particular
image.
The
street
is
to
your
left
this
over
here
on
the
left
side.
Is
that
very
large
massive
rock
wall?
D
That's
framed
in
black
steel
here
you
see
the
main
public
areas
of
the
home
living
room
and
dining
room
and
a
very,
very
generous,
overhang
and
terrace
here
with
an
opening
in
it
here
for
architectural
effect
and
then
another
large
stone
veneer
wall
here
that
closes
sort
of
the
north
side
of
this
outdoor
terrace
and
provides
both
a
surface
texture
to
this
area,
as
well
as
screening
from
the
prevailing
northwesterly
winds.
D
And
then
this
area
here
is
the
master
bedroom
suite
with
that
very
large
cantilevered
roof.
Here's
a
little
bit
better
view
showing
how
the
home
lays
out
on
the
site.
The
site
is
generally
a
naturalized
landscape
plan,
because
the
site
does
have
a
rather
large
footprint,
including
the
terraces
there's,
going
to
be
a
lot
of
grading
on
this
site.
Although
mass
grading
is,
of
course
discouraged
in
desert
palisades,
but
this
home
by
the
nature
of
its
overall
layout
will
require
quite
a
bit
of
grading.
D
I've
noted,
as
I
spoke
earlier,
about
the
screening
of
the
easterly
wall
of
the
pool
and
part
of
what
we're
recommending
here
to
be
consistent
with
the
desert.
Palisades
specific
plan
is
that
the
pavement
be
a
pervious
pavement
in
the
terraces
and
driveways
to
the
extent
possible
and
that
those
joints
also
be
pervious.
As
noted
in
the
desert
palisades
pacific
plant,
the
plant
palette
that
you'll
see
in
your
packet
does
conform
generally
to
the
desert
palisades
plant
list.
D
D
Excuse
me,
and
these
two
right
here
in
the
middle
are
basically
your
primary
building
causes
colors,
it's
a
very,
very
light
gray
and
then
the
areas
where
the
pocket
doors
occur,
this
very
very
dark,
almost
charcoal
gray
color
is
proposed.
This
is
a
example
of
the
stone
veneer.
These
are.
This
is
a
real
stone.
D
Veneer
wall
that's
being
proposed
and
the
stone
tones
are,
as
you
see
here,
kind
of
in
a
model
gray.
These
two
images
down
here
indicate
the
granular
appearance
of
the
concrete,
so
the
concrete
will
basically
be
this
normal
gray
color.
However,
some
of
it
will
have
a
larger
washed
aggregate,
as
you
see
here,
and
some
of
it
will
have
a
smaller
granular
aggregate
as
you
see
here,
but
it
will
be
in
this
color
that
you
see
there
and
then
the
wood
accent
panels
are,
of
course,
as
you
see
here
in
the
glazing.
D
So
let
me
just
go
through
a
little
bit
in
your
staff
report.
Now,
if
I
may,
and
I'll
close
this
thing
off
as
you'll
see
on
page
two,
you
note
where
the
lot
is
located
within
the
overall
desert
palisades
track,
and
it's
one
of
those
along
the
winter
sun
drive,
which
is
the
northernmost
street
in
that
subdivision.
D
The
images
that
are
later
in
your
staff
report
are
those
which
I've
shared
with
you
on
the
slide
presentation
but
you're,
beginning
of
the
analysis
of
the
home
against
the
various
guidelines
and
tables
of
the
desert.
Palisades
specific
plan
and
the
esa
sp
zone
begin
on
page
five,
and
so
the
first
one
is
the
reviewing
it
against
the
standard.
Hillside
development
standards
from
93.13
of
the
zoning
code
and
you'll
know
that
in
almost
all
cases,
the
project
is
conforming.
D
The
area
where
they
were
unable
to
achieve
full
conformance
was
again
in
the
parking
area
and
the
garage
on
page
six
and
going
backward
then
are
the
guidelines
in
the
evaluation
of
the
project
against
the
standard
design
guidelines
of
94.04
of
the
zoning
code,
and
we've
noted
that
in
most
cases
the
project
also
is
harmonious
and
complementary
to
the
area
and
the
homes
adjacent
to
it.
The
one
thing
that
we've
noted
at
a
staff
level
that
there
may
be
some
concern
about
is
the
overall
presence
of
that
large
rock
wall
in
the
front.
D
As
you
get
toward
page,
eight
of
your
staff
report
you're
reviewing
it
against
the
development
standards
of
the
desert,
palisade
specific
plan-
and
here
I
note
at
the
bottom
of
that
page-
that
in
the
back
master
bedroom
that
cantilevered
roof
pops
a
little
bit
above
the
maximum
height
blanket
by
about
seven
and
a
half
inches
on
the
top
of
page
nine.
There's
an
illustration
that
was
provided
by
the
architect,
which
helps
show
that
point.
D
It's
a
very,
very
small
portion
of
the
roof
area
that
projects
a
little
bit
above
that
18-foot
blanket
all
other
aspects
of
it
here
do
conform.
With
the
exception
of
what
I
mentioned
on
the
driveway
and
the
garage.
D
D
D
There's
mention
of
the
pool,
and
we've
talked
about
the
the
screening
of
that
a
large
retaining
wall.
On
the
east
side,
the
pool
will
also
be
shifted
slightly
toward
the
west,
because
there
is
a
five-foot
setback
for
water
from
the
adjacent
property
line,
and
so
the
pool
will
need
to
shift
slightly
toward
the
toward
the
west
on
on
the
site
plan.
D
Okay,
so
onward,
as
I'm
looking
through
my
staff
report,
this
this
particular
table
for
the
desert,
balisades
design
guidelines
is
really
long
and
in
almost
all
cases,
this
project
is
is
consistent
with
that
I've
noted
on
the
page
17
when
it
talks
about
the
exterior
walls,
there's
a
discussion
in
the
desert,
palisades
pacific
plan
about
homes
being
nestled
into
the
sites
and
blending
with
the
natural
colors
in
that
area,
and,
as
you
know,
the
desert
palisades
area
is
really
really
rocky,
and
most
of
those
rocks,
of
course,
are
granite
composition,
but
there
are
also
some
grays
and
and
browns
from
the
desert
varnish
that
you
see
on
a
lot
of
that
rock,
so
the
home
is,
is
going
to
be,
in
contrast
a
bit
with
the
natural
colors
on
the
site,
but
that's
there
have
been
kind
of
a
trend
in
that
direction.
D
Many
of
the
homes
up
there
are
also
in
rather
bright,
neutral
colors,
so
this
home
will
be
no
different
in
that
regard.
D
Then
beginning
on
page
19
is
the
analysis
of
the
landscape
guidelines
for
desert
palisades,
and
I
have
noted
on
the
first
item
there,
the
plant
types
that
deviate
from
the
palisades
plant
palette,
but
which
have
been
approved
on
other
projects
by
the
hoa
and
so
we're
again
recommending
those
as
being
appropriate
here
again
and
then
lastly,
table
seven
is
the
analysis
against
the
specific
requirements
of
the
esa
sp
zone
and,
as
you
can
see,
on
page
21,
this
project
is
consistent
with
those.
So
our
recommendation
on
this
project
is
to
recommend
approval.
D
There's
a
couple
of
conditions
we
put
on
the
front
page
about
the
permeability
of
the
concrete
and
the
screening
of
the
easterly
pool
wall,
but
otherwise
we
feel
this
is
an
appropriate
project
for
the
area
and
are
recommending
that
you
recommend
approval
to
the
planning
commission.
That
ends
my
presentation.
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions.
Nick
lafaro
is
here
from
studio
arnd
to
answer
any
other
questions
you
may
have,
and
the
homeowner
is
here
as
well.
Thank
you.
D
B
Can
you
I'll
ask
a
question?
Can
you
mention
that
the
pool's
moving
to
the
west,
and
can
you
explain
exactly
you
said
it
was
it?
Was
it
too
close
to
the
property
line
when.
D
You
look
at
the
or
the
city's
ordinance
is
the
zoning
code
relative
to
water
features
and
pools.
The
water
line
is
required
to
be
five
feet
from
the
adjacent
property
line.
This
pool
is
a
little
bit
too
close
in
that
regard,
and
so
they'll
be
conditioned
to
shift
it
a
little
bit
toward
the
west.
D
Well,
if
you
look
at
the
site
plan-
and
I
don't
these-
don't
have
sheet
numbers,
but
the
pool
is
on
the
east
side
of
the
property,
and
so
it
has
to
move
to
the
left
or
to
the
west.
D
B
Okay,
I
guess
we'll
heal
from
the
applicant.
Please
state
your
name
and
tell
us
about
your
project.
You
have
10
minutes
and,
if
desired
after
any
public
comment,
two
minutes
of
rebuttal.
K
Okay,
hi
I'm
nick
lafaro
project
manager
at
studio,
aaron
d,
architects.
Thank
you,
ken
as
a
very
thorough
presentation.
K
We're
very
excited
about
this
project
in
this
property
in
desert
palisades,
the
clients
feel
very
privileged
to
be
one
of
the
first
to
get
an
approved
home
up
there
and
to
start
building.
So
when
we
first
started
analyzing
this
site,
we
wanted
to
optimize
the
views
which
were
to
the
east
and
to
the
south,
so
we
started
framing
those
views
from
the
living
room
and
the
master
bedroom.
This
l-shape
also
did
help
us
create
shelter
for
the
courtyard
and
the
pool
from
the
northwest
winds.
K
As
ken
noted,
the
site
does
change
from
20
feet
overall
from
the
west
towards
the
east,
so
we
have
a
split
level
of
sorts
where
the
western
portion
is
four
feet
higher
than
the
eastern
portion
and,
as
you
continue
from
the
living
room
to
the
pool,
the
main
living
space
outside
is
still
at
the
same
level
as
the
living
room
and
we
stepped
down
four
feet
to
where
we
enter
the
pool
another
driving
force
for
this
floor
plan.
It
was
all
about
the
site
and
really
capturing
the
views.
K
So
we
have
these
pass-through
spaces
passed
through
glass
through
fixed
glass
and
sliders.
Most
of
these
sliders
pocket
into
heavy
textured
stucco
walls
integral
color.
That
really
has
helped
us
engage
the
site.
You'll
see
we
have
a
lot
of
fire
pits
and
different
reading
areas.
The
clients
like
to
read
and
have
morning
coffee
we've
got
outdoor
tv.
K
As
ken
stated,
we
really
tried
pushing
for
that
side.
Entry
garage
door,
but
once
we
realized
the
pool
couldn't
go
as
east
as
we
wanted.
We
had
to
abandon
the
site
entry.
Also,
the
natural
topography
just
didn't
allow
for
it,
based
on
california's
requirements
for
driveway
slope,
we're
maximizing
it.
K
Material
selection
was
really
important
to
us,
so
we
wanted
something
that
was
low,
maintenance
and
durable,
and
we
also
wanted
something
natural.
You
know
this.
This
is
desert
palisades,
so
we
didn't
want
all
these
jewelry
fake
pieces
up
there.
So
we
chose
a
natural
stone,
that's
honest
and
raw,
we're
also
trying
to
utilize
the
existing
boulders
and
proposed
landscape
as
part
of
our
material
palette.
Also,
the
the
form
itself
is
very
contemporary
and
minimal.
K
The
the
front
feature
wall
is
the
tallest
wall
on
the
project
and,
as
ken
noted
that's
for
a
couple
reasons,
one
was
for
screening
some
of
the
the
solar
panels
on
the
roof,
for
instance,
and
our
dog
houses,
but
it's
mason
mainly
for
privacy,
desert,
palisades,
there's
no
property
walls,
which
is
what
makes
it
so
great.
But
you
know
we
do
need
to
get
some
privacy
in
there.
K
So
we
created
this
feature
with
awesome,
stone
material
and
we're
also
incorporating
some
some
slump,
stone,
masonry
walls
with
a
heavy
grouted
texture
on
there.
That's
gonna
be
a
tan
color
that
really
blends
into
the
site,
which
shows
up
in
the
renderings
overall
we're
really
happy
with
this
project.
We
we
love
the
pool
design.
K
We
like
the
contrast
between
this
contemporary
pool
t-shape,
with
with
infinity
edge
on
all
sides,
and
we
know
we've
got
this-
this
large
seven
foot
drop
on
the
on
the
east
side,
so
we've
been
working
with
ken
on
how
we're
gonna
screen
that
with
boulders
and
landscape,
but
overall
really
happy
with
this
project
and
and
the
clients
too.
It's
it's
a
fun.
B
One
okay,
thank
you
at
this
time.
We
call
for
public
comment.
If
there's
any
and
david,
we
have
any
no
okay,
then
we'll
move
on
to
questions
from
the
committee
to
the
applicant.
Any
questions.
C
Thank
you,
sorry
yeah.
The
only
question
I
had
is
looking
at
the
the
four
elevations.
It
appears
as
though
there's
kind
of
a
ver
a
real
contrast
between
the
elevations
and
color
the
north
rear
elevation.
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
a
lighting
effect
or
that's
it
just
seems
very
white,
so
it
feels
like
the
building
kind
of
has
a
different
feel
on
on
the
four
sides.
K
I
would
the
west
is
more
in
line
with
what
we
were
trying
to
present.
We
were
struggling
with
getting
the
light
settings
on
that
north
one
to
to
be
more
like
gray,
which
is
what
we're
proposing.
E
I
have
a
question
on
the
on
the
front
elevation.
We
have
the,
I
believe
it's
12.
E
Some
inches
the
stone
like
facade
wall
and
there's
an
opening
in
that
where
you
enter
your
you're
outside,
but
you're
still
outside
and
there's
a
another
wall
behind
that
that
leads.
You,
then,
to
the
entry
door,
which
you
would
turn
to
the
left.
How
how
tall
is
the
wall?
That's
be
behind
there
kind
of
creating
that
entry,
foyer.
K
That
masonry
wall,
the
garden
wall,
is
five
feet
tall
five
feet,
which
is
the
maximum
that
desert
palisades
will
allow.
E
So,
okay,
so
then
so
you're
outside
you
kind
of
enter
through
the
entry
portal
outside
and
there's
a
five
foot
wall,
then
that
screens
the
pool
area.
That's
right!
Okay!
Thank
you.
B
I
have
a
question
for
you
in
the
on
the
site
plan.
There's
a
squiggly
line
that
goes
off
to
the
east
of
your
front.
Stone
wall
is
that
a
fence.
K
It
is
a
fence:
it's
an
open
steel
post
fence,
that'd
be
about
three
inches
on
center,
we're
looking
at
using
an
inch
and
a
half
by
inch
and
a
half
hss
tubes,
five
feet
tall,
probably
going
with
a
natural
rust
patina
for
that,
and
it's
mostly
for
security
and
priva
some
privacy,
like
I
said,
there's
they're
offset
at
three
inches.
So
we've
got
about
two
inches
in
between
each
so
we're
not
trying
to
create
a
total
statement
with
this,
but
we
we
do
want
some
privacy
there
and
security.
B
And
does
that
well
that
can
carry
along
the
property
line
as
well
or
are
you
do
you
need
to
provide
some
sort
of
fencing
around
the
pool
or
you're
high
enough
up
that
you
don't
require?
You
know,
there's
enough
difference
with
your
grading
in
the
boulders
or
whatever
that
you
don't
need
to
provide
that.
K
So
that
that's
something
we've
discussed
with
ken
and
we
would
like
to
utilize
the
natural
terrain
and
boulders
and
kind
of
do
the
pool
barrier
as
a
design
build
with
with
city
inspectors.
So
to
answer
your
question:
no,
we
don't
want
to
continue
this
down
the
entire
property
line.
B
Okay
and
the
last
question
is
the
stone
that
you
select
when
you
look
at
your
renderings,
it
shows
that
there's
it's
a
little
warmer
and
that
there's
a
little
more
variety
in
color.
Is
that
true?
Or
is
it
really
all
this
the
same
pretty
consistent
as
the
the
sample
that
you've
shown
in
your
material
board.
K
Yes,
not
you're
not
going
to
see
real,
dark,
browns
or
anything,
it's
all
within
the
same
gray
family,
but
they
will
vary
between
a
light
gray
and
a
warmer
gray.
No
browns,
though,.
B
Okay
and
then
on
your
roof
plan,
ken
mentioned
that
there's
going
to
be
solar
panels.
Do
you
have
a
layout
for
that?
Where
that,
where
they're
going
to
occur,
I
didn't
see
it
on
the
group
plan.
K
Right
we're
going
to
keep
them
strictly
over
the
garage.
B
Over
the
garage,
okay,
okay
and
then
one
last
question
and
the
extent
of
the
outside
the
master
bedroom.
It
looks
like
it
lines
up
with
the
pool
edge
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
what's
governing
the
length
of
that
or
not.
But
tell
me
what
is
gathering
the
length
of
that
cantilever.
K
We
designed
this
outdoor
area
for
them
with
oversized
lounge
chairs
and
a
fire
pit,
and
we
wanted
to
protect
that
as
much
as
we
could
with
an
overhang.
So
we
worked
with
ken
in
the
city
to
see
what
our
limitations
were.
Once
we
got
it
to
where
it
is,
we
were
trying
to
align
it
with
the
pool,
but
it
was
really
the
function
of
that
outdoor
space
and
being
sheltered
that
drove
that
cantilever
size.
B
E
Thank
you.
You
know
I'm
going
back
to
the
front
facade
of
of
the
stone
wall
with
the
garage
door
and
then
the
opening
that
leads
to
the
entrance
and
as
described
that's.
I
believe
it
was
80
feet
long
and
you
know
I'm
looking
at
a
couple
different
ways:
one.
It
makes
a
major
statement
as
this
stone
wall,
the
simplicity
of
it,
but
I
was
wondering
if
there
isn't
the
possibility
of
somehow
transitioning.
E
You
know
that
statement
wall
because
there's
there's
like
a
pool
equipment
area,
that's
kind
of
floating
out
there
and
I
didn't
know
if
that
could
somehow
be
integrated
where,
as
you
go
across
with
this
large
facade
wall
that
then
stepping
down
and
even
in
another
plane,
stepping
back
could
be
this
lower
wall.
That
may
be
of
the
same
material
that
that
begins
to
bring
the
height
of
that
wall
down
into
the
landscape.
E
E
And
I
was
wondering
if
there
couldn't
be
another
like
fin
wall,
that's
in
a
different
plane
than
the
front
facade
wall,
but
again
at
a
lower
height,
maybe
the
same
material
so
that
it
begins
to
to
give
some
movement
in
the
front
of
that
stone,
wall
and
facade
and
then
begins
to
to
tie
that
into
the
tie.
This
the
architecture
into
the
site
and
that's
my
only
comment.
C
I
think
that
this
is
a
similar
house,
if
not
the
same
house,
that's
built
out
in
echo
lane
and
rancho
mirage
and
I've
seen
it
in
person,
and
it's
it's
actually
quite
amazing
with
that
big
rock
wall,
like
that,
I
I
kind
of
rather
like
it.
I
don't
have
any
issues
with
it.
I
think
it's
a
great
looking
project.
A
Sorry
again
on
the
wall,
which
is
sort
of
the
reason,
detroit
the
whole
thing
and
it's
kind
of
the
magnet
staff
report
did
point
out
that
it
was
what
inconsistent,
I
think,
with
the
standards
in
terms
of
of
the
way
it
funds
the
property,
but
you
either
kind
of
love
it
or
not,
and
I
think
it's
a
real
anchor
in
terms
of
the
aesthetics
and
a
commitment
in
terms
of
the
design
direction.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
kind
of
feel
the
same
way
it
it.
The
wall
is
imposing
in
a
lot
of
ways.
So
I
think,
having
an
opportunity-
and
I
like
remember,
dosey's-
comment
about
the
the
idea
of
introducing
kind
of
smaller
elements
of
the
wall
that
could
potentially
kind
of
more
ease
like
kind
of
ease
it
into
the
landscape.
A
little
bit.
C
I
mean,
I
love
it
overall
it
just
it
just
feels
very
it's
imposing,
and
I
know
that's
kind
of
the
the
goal
and
and
what
they're
striving
for,
but
it
feels
like
it
could
could
integrate
slightly
better.
B
And
I'm
not
in
disagreement
with
any
of
the
comments.
I
think
it's
a
nice
project.
I
have
a
little
concern
that
the
wall
is
imposing,
and
that
is
the
purpose
of
it,
but
and
and
maybe
maybe
the
comments
of
trying
to
introduce
similar
elements
around
the
pool
equipment
or
some
of
the
landscape
site
walls,
maybe
that
is
a
you
know,
would
would
benefit
it
that
it
would
ease
it
into
the
site
a
little
bit
more.
B
E
Further
discussion
add
one
more
item
sure
did
the
lighting,
the
landscape
lighting
plan
be
reviewed
for
the
quantity
of
fixtures
and
also
the
wattage
calls
all
of
them
out,
as
for
4.5
watts
of
led,
I
I
think
some
of
those
could
be
softer.
You
know
if
they
were
continue.
You
know,
2
watt
led
gives
you
a
lot
of
light,
and
I
just
feel
like
for
that
area.
Up
there
to
have
67
lights
might
be
kind
of
imposing
on
the
site.
B
E
And
I
like
landscape
lighting,
but
maybe
a
balance.
A
Mr
chairman,
I
would
make
a
motion
to
accept
with
the
full
integration
of
planning
recommendations
number
one.
Secondly,
a
review
for
mr
dosey's
comment
about
the
lamping
and
the
light
wattage
for
the
landscape
lighting.
B
B
We
now
move
on
to
item
number
five
mourinho
owners
for
a
major
architectural
application,
proposing
a
7,
125
square
foot,
single
family
residence
and
accessory
structures
on
a
39
940
square
foot.
Hillside
lot
located
at
1405
rose
avenue
zone
r1c
there.
We
have
a
staff
report.
D
Yes,
sir,
hold
on
just
a
moment
and
I'll
share
my
screen
to
start
with
this
time.
Are
you
seeing
the
shared
screen
now
yeah?
Okay,
so
this
is,
as
the
title
implies,
a
single-family
residence
on
a
hillside
lot.
D
This
one
is
on
rose
avenue
and
if
those
of
you
who
are
familiar
with
rose
avenue,
there's
a
portion
of
the
north
end
of
it
that's
gated,
and
this
is
two
lots
actually
that
will
be
merged
into
one
and
the
gate
occurs
kind
of
midpoint
on
these
on
this
lot,
so
this
house
really
needs
to
be
considered
in
terms
of
it
being
kind
of
a
campus
or
a
compound
of
many
different
functions
and
uses
and
elements.
D
So
you
have
the
main
house,
which
is
also
this-
is
the
house
behind
a
wall
kind
of
a
concept,
so
you
have
the
main
house.
You
then
have
a
swimming
pool
that
has
a
cabana
and
then
next
you
have
a
bocce
ball
court
and
a
small
shade
structure
related
for
that,
and
then
you
have
a
gym
and
the
gym
is
attached
to
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
adjacent
to
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
is
a
covered
carport
and
off
to
the
south
and
west
of
the
carport
is
a
proposed
pickleball
court.
D
So
it
is
really
a
lot
going
on
on
this
property
and
a
very
exciting
project
here,
you're
able
to
see
the
project
from
looking
to
the
north
and
east,
so
the
pickleball
court
is
in
the
foreground.
That's
the
accessory
dwelling
unit,
there's
the
gym
here.
You
see
the
home,
and
this
is
also
a
home
that
a
lot
that
has
quite
a
bit
of
topography.
D
Roughly
a
32
foot
grade
change
from
north
to
south
and
again
the
architect
and
architect,
are
proposing
a
naturalized
landscape
land.
So
here
is
that
pool
cabana
or
a
small
shade
structure,
the
swimming
pool
and
then
the
home
wrapping
around
to
the
north
side.
D
Here
it
is
in
plan
I'm
going
to
start
in
the
north.
This
is
a
basically
a
circular
drive
that
provides
access
to
four
car
garage
and
the
garage
is
turned
to
the
north
so
that
it
is
screened
from
view
by
the
street
or
from
the
street.
D
This
area
toward
the
back
of
that
is
the
master
suite
and
then
the
home
lies
out
behind
the
wall,
with
the
public
spaces,
living
room,
dining
room,
kitchen
and
then
a
three
bedrooms
and
the
home
steps
down
so
that
this
area
by
the
garage
and
the
master
bedroom
suite
are
at
the
highest
point.
And
then
it
steps
down
to
the
living
room,
steps
down
again
to
the
bedrooms.
And
then,
once
you
go
on
to
this
site,
the
pool
elevation
is
on
access
with
the
main
entrance
and
off
to
the
side.
D
Is
the
covered
pavilion
there's
an
outdoor
dining
area
and
an
outdoor
kitchen,
and
then
some
lounging
areas
here
and
then,
as
you
see
in
the
middle
of
the
site,
here,
steps
downward
to
take
you
to
the
bocce
ball
court
and
then
more
steps
downward
to
take
you
to
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
and
gym
and
then
more
steps
downward
to
get
you
on
to
the
pickleball
court.
D
D
This
is
a
site
section,
which
also
helps
illustrate
the
significant
amount
of
topography
that
this
particular
site
has
now.
D
I
unfortunately
cannot
show
you
the
relative
placement
of
the
swimming
pool
in
this,
but
understand
that
it's
it's
further
off
here
to
the
right,
but
here
you
can
see
how
the
home
is
kept
very
low,
very
horizontal
and
then
steps
with
the
topography
of
the
site
and
then
over
here
on
the
far
north
end
of
the
site,
it's
quite
a
steep
smoke
that
goes
up
to
the
next
adjacent
existing
home,
a
couple
of
more
perspectives.
That
kind
of
help
understand
this.
D
There
are
photovoltaics
proposed
on
the
roof
of
the
garage
and
the
master
suite,
as
you
can
see
here.
This
is
that
motor
court
and
the
circular
drive
that
I
spoke
of
earlier,
and
there
is
a
series
of
concrete
pads
that
are
basically
kind
of
overlapping
one
another
that
bring
you
up
to
that
main
entrance,
which
acts
as
a
very
focused
sort
of
portal
and
on
access
to
the
pool
you'll
see
in
your
packet
there's
a
number
of
delicious
renderings
that
were
part
of
this
package.
D
That
really
clearly
tell
the
story
of
what
this
design
is
all
about.
D
The
pickleball
court
is
proposed
to
have
nighttime
lighting
and
in
order
to
do
lifetime
lighting
here
in
palm
springs
on
a
tennis,
court
or
pickleball
court,
one
does
require
to
have
a
conditional
use
permit,
and
so
the
project
includes
the
major
architectural,
unconditional
use
permit
for
the
night
lighting
and
then
an
amm,
because
this
one
has
a
little
bit
of
an
over
height
issue
as
well.
D
This
is
a
photo,
I'm
sorry,
not
a
photometric,
but
a
kind
of
an
illustration
showing
how
the
lighting
will
occur
on
the
on
the
pickleball
court.
The
pickleball
court
does
lie
just
at
the
south
end
of
the
project
site
and
is
separated
from
the
adjacent
home
by
existing
landscaping
and
a
six
foot
high
block
wall.
D
I've
done
this
small
enlargement
of
this
photometric
site
plan,
so
this
area
right
here
is
shown
over
here
and
you
can
see
there's
a
little
bit
of
light
spillage
that
is
showing
up
with
this
calculus
on
the
lighting,
and
I
was
in
correspondence
with
nick
earlier
this
evening
and
they
are
planning
to
install
a
set
of
custom
shields
that
will
help
eliminate
the
potential
for
any
light
spillage
onto
the
adjacent
parcel
and
that's
important,
because
the
adjacent
home
is
built
right
up
to
that
side,
yard
setback
and
so
their
their
their
enjoyment
of
the
night
sky
and
so
on
will
be
critical
for
these
lights
to
be
properly
controlled.
D
This
is
the
material
board
and
touch
on
it,
and
I
hope
he
will
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
it,
but
this
particular
project
has
a
very,
very
unique
cast
in
place
concrete
wall
and,
as
it
was
explained
in
the
executive
summary
this,
these
slabs
will
be
actually
poured
in
forms
that
are
laid
on
the
site
and
it
will
be
coated
on
the
inside
of
that
forward
with
a
white
cement.
D
Material
that
will
actually
then
be
on
this
undulating
concrete
wall
and
then
just
like
a
typical
tilt-up
construction.
These
panels
will
be
craned
into
place
and
then
secured,
and
they
do
have
these
small
slots
that
bring
a
little
bit
of
light
and
opening
in
into
this
overall
surface.
So
quite
an
interesting
design
element
on
this
particular
home.
Again,
these
are
your
material
selections.
The
concrete
is
proposed
in
a
standard
gray,
but
with
a
washed
aggregate,
you
have
these
colors,
which
are
basically
your
primary
colors
in
the
home.
D
There's
heavy
textured
dark,
charcoal
colored
stucco
on
those
accent,
walls
in
the
home,
and
then
there
are
portions
of
wood
and
I'm
going
to.
Let
nick
explain
that
a
little
bit
further.
So
that
concludes
my
staff
report.
This
one.
I
do
not
have
any
particular
conditions
that
we're
recommending
on
it.
Of
course,
the
house
will
have
its
typical
conditions
of
approval
that
are
put
on
any
hillside
home,
but
that
basically
concludes
this.
D
My
presentation,
the
home,
is
conforming
as
you
will
see
in
the
tables
that
begin
on
page
five
of
your
staff
report.
Excuse
me,
and,
as
I
noted,
the
landscaping
is
desert,
tolerant,
desert,
appropriate
and
again
as
naturalized
as
possible
again,
because
this
is
a
very,
very
large
campus
of
structures
and
elements.
There's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
grading
here,
but
their
intent
is
to
re-naturalize
the
site
so
that
they
have
a
smooth
transition
between
the
open
space
to
the
west
and
the
lot
itself.
D
There
would
be
more
of
a
concern
if
this
was
on
a
major
thoroughfare
or
a
secondary
thoroughfare
tom,
but
in
this
particular
case
you
will
see
even
on
some
of
the
major
thoroughfares,
where
there
will
be
a
driveway
turnaround
with
two
curb
cuts
if
you're
doing
a
you
know
in
and
out
so
to
speak
on
major
thoroughfares.
D
If
this
was
the
original
two
lots,
that
is
what
is
part
of
the
track
of
this
particular
project.
These
two
lots
being
merged,
of
course,
to
make
this
project
they
would
each
have
had
their
own
driveways.
So
this
one
does
have
three,
but
it's
not
unusual,
given
the
very
long
frontage
along
the
street
that
the
project
has.
B
Ken
I
didn't
hear
you
talk
much
about
the
administrative
modification.
Do
you
want
to?
Would
you
talk
about
that
alone?.
D
Sure
the
administrative
minor
modification
or
amm
is
required
on
this
one,
because
the
home
does
have
some
slight
overages
in
height
and
where
that
primarily
is
seen.
Maybe
I
can
share
my
screen
with
you
again
and
then
I
think
it
is
best
illustrated
on
the
some
of
these
renderings.
So
let
me
just
go
back
here
a
minute
you'll
note
that,
as
the
as
the
building
moves
to
the
south,
let
me
see
if
I
can
find
it
better
here.
You
go.
D
You
know
this
really
gives
you
a
pretty
good
sense
of
the
grade
change
on
this
site,
so
the
top
of
the
wall
is
kept
at
a
standard,
uniform
height
and
then,
as
the
site
drops
off,
the
wall
increases
in
height
and
so
down
here.
At
this
end,
it's
actually
at
about,
I
believe
it's
about
16
to
18
feet
from
the
adjacent
grade,
and
when
you
look
at
the
standard
development
standards
for
the
r1
zone,
at
the
front
yard
setback,
the
maximum
height
is
12.
D
and
that
height
can
raise
at
a
rate
of
one
to
three
to
a
maximum
of
18..
So,
in
this
case,
the
amm
is
being
requested
in
order
to
accommodate
the
design
characteristic
of
this
wall
growing
in
height,
as
it
goes
toward
the
south
end
of
the
building.
B
If
not
we'll
hear
from
the
applicant,
please
give
us
your
name
and
talk
about
the
project.
You
have
ten
minutes
and
two
minutes
of
rebuttal.
If
any
after
any
public
comment.
K
A
K
Yep
that'll
do
again
thank
you,
ken
for
that
great
presentation
really
breaking
down
the
project,
so
this
is
two
vacant
lots.
Our
clients
were
very
pleased
when
they
found
these
and
immediately
started
looking
at
how
we
could
start
to
merge
this
and
create
a
compound
for
their
their
active
family
and
their
lifestyle.
K
It's
a
hillside
home
with
about
35
feet
of
difference
from
the
north
to
the
south.
So
we
took
that
into
account
while
designing.
Also
another
driving
force
was
western
views.
Those
mountains
to
the
west
are
are
good,
so
we
wanted
to
maximize
on
on
views
from
from
all
spaces
of
this
property
working
our
way
from
north
to
south.
The
northeast
had
the
least
amount
of
views.
K
So
that's
naturally,
where
we
put
our
garage
and
we
wanted
a
side
entry
garage
to
keep
that
front
facade
clean
which
led
its
way
to
creating
this
interesting
motor
court.
Again,
the
toppo
really
drove
that
decision,
you're
entering
from
the
north
about
five
or
six
feet
higher
than
the
garage
so
you're
coming
down
and
flying
into
this
site.
K
If
you
will
northwest
corner
with
a
master
bedroom
spectacular
views,
so
that's
another
place
where
we
we
maximize
and
design
based
on
the
site,
so
this
garage
and
the
master
bedroom
are
actually
at
two
foot
six
higher
than
the
living
room
that
living
room.
K
We
selected
that
floor
plan
by
analyzing
the
site
and
finding
a
contour
that
had
the
same
amount
of
cut
and
fill,
and
we
really
wanted
to
capture
those
west
views
so
designing
this.
We
really
kept
the
human
scale
in
mind.
Most
of
these
ceiling
heights
are
nine
foot,
eight
nine
foot,
ten
in
the
living
room,
it
pops
up
to
ten
foot
eight
and
slopes
gently
towards
the
west
to
where
the
sliders
are
at
twelve
foot.
K
Eight
again,
these
these
aren't
massive
spaces,
we're
really
considering
the
the
human
element
and
how
you're
experiencing
this
site,
so
activating
the
site
was,
was
really
critical.
Through
landscape
and
nodes
of
activity
you
see,
we've
got,
we've
got
a
cabana
with
a
with
a
really
spectacular
outdoor
kitchen,
a
pool
and
spa
which
will
have
covers
on
them
for
security.
As
we
step
down,
we
have
the
bocce
ball
court.
K
We
have
the
shade
structure,
we
continue
down
to
a
gym
and
a
casita,
and
this
casita
is
going
to
be
again
they're
very
family
oriented,
so
it's
going
to
be
inhabited
mostly
by
patsy's
mother
and
they
have
a
niece
who's,
a
resident
artist
that
would
be
staying
there
as
well.
So
we
have
created
this
separate
carport
structure
for
the
resident
of
that
casita,
with
a
motorized
gate
for
security.
K
K
We
wanted
to
create
this
flowing
undulating
material
and
we
we're
going
to
be
using
portland
white
cement
and
we'll
be
creating
cnc'd
negative
forms,
bringing
those
out
to
site
we're
going
to
set
up
a
special
spot
down,
probably
on
the
southern
portion
and
we'll
be
pouring
and
casting
these
creating
this
flowing
this
flowing
articulation
of
the
wall
and
then
separating
them
by
15
inches
with
these
slits
of
windows
that
help
frame
views
and
also
create
a
unique
lighting
environment
as
you're
walking
down
as
a
guest
staying
in
this
house,
or
just
looking
at
the
art
that
we're
going
to
be
hanging
throughout
these
gallery
corridors
that
we've
created
again.
K
Looking
at
this
facade,
we've
juxtaposed
this
warm
boredom
batten,
vertical
wood,
siding
this
warmth
against
the
more
cold
undulating
white
concrete.
We
have
applied
for
an
amm
because.
K
As
we
worked
with
this
form,
the
house
steps
down
another
four
foot,
six
from
the
living
room
to
those
guest
rooms,
and
we
wanted
to
maintain
this
single
architectural
form
and,
like
ken,
was
saying
this
house
behind
the
walls
so
creating
that
setting
that
wall,
height
and
continuing
it
home
was
really
important
to
us,
and
it
really
also
helped
us
hide
the
stepping
of
the
roof
and
the
stepping
of
the
the
structure
and
create
this
uniform.
C
K
Down
to
the
pickleball
court,
we
have
applied
for
a
conditioning
conditional
use
permit
for
this
we're
working
closely
with
ken
to
minimize
the
impact
on
on
neighbors.
So
first
issue
was
visibility:
we've
sunk
in
it
four
feet.
Another
issue
was
sound
and
if
you
go
to
that
site
plan
again
again,
we've
actually
that
lighting
that
lighting
exhibit
showed
one
existing
masonry
wall
along
the
south,
we're
actually
proposing
to
add
another
one
to
to
really
help
buffer.
K
The
sound
and
we've
created
this
planter
space
in
between
the
pickleball
court
and
that
new
secondary
masonry
wall
and
the
the
third
item
was
was
the
lights
and,
as
ken
touched
upon,
we
will
be
creating
these
shrouds
to
help
direct
the
light
down
and
to
completely
minimize
the
light
leakage.
I
also
want
to
tell
you
that
these
clients
are
social
players.
They
just
want
to
activate
their
lifestyle,
they're
not
going
to
be
playing
out
there
like
two
hours
max
be
on
desk.
K
They
won't
be
playing
for
four
months
out
of
the
year
during
summer,
when
it's
too
hot
to
even
play.
They
are
open
to
discussion
too.
If
this
becomes
a
topic
for
the
neighbors
as
well,
but
overall,
we
we've
created
a
project,
a
compound
that
fits
that
that
was
designed
for
our
clients,
lifestyle
they.
This
is
their
second
home,
their
first
custom
home
in
palm
springs
back
in
2018.
K
They
revitalized
their
mid-century
alexander
home,
that's
also
in
las
palmas
and
since
covid
and
living
in
palm
springs
for
the
past
few
years.
They
they
really
want
to
make
this
a
home
for
their
family
and
we're
excited
to
help
them.
I
think
it's
a
pretty
cool
architecture
that,
with
their
help,
we're
proposing
to
the
city.
D
Nobody
had
contacted
me.
I
have
forwarded
to
the
aac
members
two
pieces
of
public
comment
that
were
one
from
the
adjoining
neighbor
to
the
south
and
one
from
their
neighbor.
That
is
immediately
east
of
the
project
site
and
those
you
have
in
your
package.
Okay,.
B
Thank
you,
then,
we'll
move
on
to
questions
to
the
applicant
from
the
committee.
B
C
K
In
our
booklet,
it's
17
foot
two
above
our
finished
floor
of
that
bedroom,
which
is
about
a
foot
higher
than
finish
grade
so
about
18,
18
foot,
two.
E
Anybody
else,
I'm
just
gonna,
add
to
that
question
in
the
18
feet:
two
inches
what
what
is
the
height
of
it
above
the
curb
elevation
or
the
edge
of
pavement
at
that
location.
C
K
Get
back
to
you
on
that
tom
okay,
but
but
when
you
do
look
at
the
site,
these
contours
are
fairly
consistent,
east
to
west,
so
whatever
it
is
at
the
at
the
grade.
There.
K
E
E
F
C
Questions
well,
I'm
in
you
know
in
response
to
the
neighbors
concerns
about
the
height
of
the
wall
and
have
you
done
or
have
you
looked
at
any
kind
of
a
site
study
in
terms
of
what
that
wall?
How
that
wall
would
impact
light
and
shadow
across
their
property
line
or
across
their
property.
K
We
haven't
yet
ken:
do
you
have
that
30
or
that
16th
side
plan
that
I
sent
earlier?
The
16th
inch.
D
Let
me
check
my
email
here,
a.
K
K
It
helps
show
where
these
neighbors
are
okay
bear
with
me,
I'm
pulling
it
up
right
now
in
their
distance
from
the
house.
D
Yes,
is
that
showing
up?
Okay.
K
Yeah,
let's
pan
further
down-
and
just
we
can
all
see
where
the
hat,
where
that
neighboring
house
to
the
east
is
okay,
and
that
is
a
two-story
home
too.
That's
elevated
at
a
higher
elevation
than
our
finish
floor
that
we're
proposing
right.
C
K
We
will
prepare
more
a
lot
more
exhibits,
studying
the
sun
and
the
shadows
for
planning,
commission
and
the
effect
on
these
neighbors
right,
which
we
which
we
believe
to
be
fairly
minimum.
C
Yeah,
so
I
mean
it's
certainly
by
by
this,
I
can
kind
of
see
that
the
the
concrete
wall
is
is
pretty
far
to
the
east
of
of
you
know,
certainly
their
pool,
so
it
shouldn't
really
impact
from
a
shadow
perspective
right.
Okay,
great
thank
you.
D
B
Can
you
talk
a
little
bit
you
mentioned
about
adding
some
walls
between
the
neighbor
to
the
south
and
the
pickleball
court?
Can
you
talk
about
what
what's
being
proposed?
What
was
sent
to
my
package
doesn't
show
any
walls
at
all.
So
maybe
you
can
tell
me
how
high
they
are,
what
the
material
is,
how
it
impacts
the
landscape
plan
that
was
originally
submitted.
K
That's
right,
so
what
you
see
on
the
original
submittal
is
an
existing
wall
along
the
property
line
to
the
south.
That's
I
believe
it's
like
five
feet
high
and
it's
got
a
metal
portion
of
of
open
fence.
On
top
of
that,
what
we're
proposing
is.
K
We've
got
an
eight
foot
public
utility
easement
there,
where
we'd
like
to
be
planting
olive
trees
and
multiple
thick
foliage
trees.
There
building
another
masonry
wall.
That
would
be
four
foot
four
foot
six
higher
than
our
pickleball
court
and
then
creating
so
that
that
would
be
a
cmu
we're
proposing
for
all
of
our
cmu.
To
be
again
a
a
super
slump
stone
with
a
thick
a
heavy
mortar
finish
on
there.
K
So
that'd
be
four
foot
six
higher
than
our
pickleball
court,
we're
proposing
a
three
foot
barrier
between
that
masonry
wall
and
where
the
concrete
portion
of
the
pickleball
court
would
begin
again
getting
medium
sized
plants
and
foliage
in
there,
and
that's
also
where
we
would
show
our
southernmost,
where
we
would
locate
our
southernmost
pickleball
court
lights.
K
So
we're
proposing
thick
high
foliage
another
medium-sized
masonry
wall
with
medium
foliage
in
between
that
and
our
pickleball
court.
To
help
with
this
sound
absorption
and
ricochet,
and
really
sending
that
sound
back
towards
the
north
towards
our
property.
K
It's
at
619.5,
which
we
determined
if
you
pan
down
ken
you
can
see
where
that
620
is
almost
dead
east
of
where
we
are.
Our
pickleball
court
is
at
619.5.
So
we're
trying
to
keep
this
thing
low.
B
And
do
you
have
an
idea
what
elevation
the
house
is
next
next
door
is.
K
It
we
have
a
survey,
I
think
I
would
need
to
consult
with
them.
C
B
Yeah
and
just
out
of
curiosity,
did
you
look
at
possibly
internalizing
the
pickleball
court
to
the
middle
of
the
site
where
the
bocce
ball
court
is
away
from
the
neighbor.
K
K
We
located
it
based
on
views
for
our
for
our
casita
and
our
living
spaces,
and
we
knew
we
wanted
this
bocce
ball
court
to
be
to
be
the
center
of
activity.
So
there
was
no
question
in
our
mind
that
the
bot
that
the
bocce
ball
was
going
to
be
central,
we're
bocci
and
pool
that's
how
they
live
their
lives
and
play
pickleball
court
again:
they're,
just
social
players,
whether
they're,
not
you.
B
Okay
and
then
on
the
finish,
materials
board.
Item
number
10
lists.
K
I'd
like
to
have
that
rejected
from
the
material
board.
Can
we
just
rip
that
off?
We
have
decided
not
to
do
any
of
those
colors.
The
heavy
texture
stucco
that
we're
proposing
is
6a.
That's
right
there,
which
is
a
a
dark,
dark,
gray.
B
And
I
think
I
think
that's
everything
I've
got.
Thank
you.
C
K
The
reason
for
that
is
they're
going
to
be
playing
during
like
the
winter
time,
they're
so
close
to
the
mountains.
That
sun
goes
down
really
early,
where
we've
we've
added
to
our
notes
that
we
do
have
a
timer
that
you
can
only
play
max
an
hour
on
that
thing
at
most
they'll
be
playing
two
hours
mass
max
into
dusk,
but
we
do
have
david
mourinho
here.
I
think
he
might
be
able
to
explain
that
if,
if,
if
you'd
like
to
hear
from
him.
C
C
I
would
like
to
add
to
that,
if
you
don't
mind,
we've
been
playing
at
du
mouth
park
and
typically
towards
the
end
of
the
day
when
it's
cooler
around
four
o'clock
and
you
I
don't
know
if
you've
played
pickleball
before,
but
you
can't
physically
play
the
game
for
more
than
an
hour
and
a
half
or
two,
but
what
we
find
is
even
at
de
move
park
when
the
sun
gets
below
the
mountains
and
the
shade
hits
the
courts
to
be
able
to
really
see
the
ball
and
just
to
be
safe.
C
Everyone
is
turning
the
lights
on
over
there.
You
know
in
the
dusk
time
of
the
day,
so
you
know
when
it's
getting
dark
earlier
in
the
season
and
we
start
playing
maybe
at
four
o'clock
when
it
cools
down,
we
might
play
it
all
5,
30
or
6,
but
the
lighted
court
is
not
intended
to
be
playing
really
at
night
time.
Our
we've
never
played
the
game,
you
know
after
dusk,
we've
never
started
a
game
after
dusk.
Nor
do
we
anticipate
that
we'd
be
playing
into
the
evening.
B
Okay,
anybody
else
have
any
questions
of
the
applicant.
I
Thank
you
remember.
B
E
I
I
had
a
question
for
staff
and
the
question
is:
can
typically
with
hillside
development
is
the
height
of
the
building,
measured
from
the
edge
of
curb
or
or
the
the
maximum
allowable
height?
Isn't
there
a
median
point
that
that
height
is
taken
from.
D
Member
dosi,
the
bill,
the
height
building
height,
is
measured
on
a
typical
lot
as
the
top
of
curb
or
crown
of
road
plus
18
inches.
That's
where
the
measurement
of
building
height
begins,
but
on
a
lot
that
is
of
this
size.
D
The
measurement
is
taken
basically
from
the
adjacent
grade,
and
it
can
be
as
determined
by
the
planning
commission
on
where
the
actual
height
measurement
is
going
to
occur.
I'll
I'll
get
the
exact
wording
for
you
here
in
just
a
moment
as
you're
continuing
with
any
other
questions,
you
may
have.
D
If
it
was
a
standard
lot,
you
would
be
looking
at
a
12
foot
maximum
height
at
the
setback
line
that
would
rise
at
a
rate
of
one
to
three
to
a
maximum
of
18..
Okay,
on
hillside
lots
with
an
administrative
minor
modification,
one
can
request
up
to
a
30
foot
height.
E
Okay,
I
guess
okay,
so
so
I'm
concerned
about
the
height
of
the
you
know.
I
like
the
design
I
like
the
interest
it
has
the
the
whole
feel
to
it.
I
am
concerned
about
the
height
of
the
southernmost
pylon
or
pillar
as
part
of
the
facade,
and
then
I
think
the
other
area
of
concern
I
have
is
on
the
garage
side
of
the
project
for
for
people
as
you're
driving
down
and
exiting
rose
avenue.
E
What
how
exposed
that
garage
area
may
be?
I
was.
I
was
trying
to
find
a
more
of
a
perspective
view
of
that,
but
it's
just
the
appearance,
as
you're
heading
south
on
rose
avenue
towards
the
gate.
What
how
that
is
going
to
appear
and
that
there's
really
no
screening
of
the
garage.
I
know
there's
some
great
changes
there
and
the
garage
is
lower
as
you
come
down,
but
that's
another
area
of
concern.
I
had.
D
I
think
member
dosi
nick
can
probably
speak
to
a
little
bit,
but
in
this
illustration
that
you
see
on
my
screen
now,
this
is
rose
avenue,
and
this
is
sort
of
looking
as
the
road
goes
down
in
elevation
and
you'll,
see
here
that
they
do
have
a
series
of
plantings
and
trees
here
that
that
would
provide
a
screening
of
the
motor
court
area.
Here.
Okay,.
K
We
we
did
what
we
are
doing,
though,
with
this
we've
got
a
large
island
here,
and
what
ken
was
sharing
earlier
was
a
very
aerial
shot,
we're
filling
that
with
mexican
blue
palms
and
different
mediterranean
palms
and
trying
to
make
this
a
dense
island
not
only
for
interest
but
for
screening.
C
You
know
I
share
tom's
comment
about
the
height
of
the
wall.
At
the
you
know
the
lowest
end
of
the
site.
It
is
pretty
imposing
again
I'll
use
that
word
again.
Apparently
this
is
a
rd's
imposing
period,
so
I
think
yeah
I
mean
this.
The
study,
I
think,
would
be
important
just
to
understand
it
a
little
bit
more,
and
it
also
feels
in
one
of
the
renders
I
think
it
was
on
page
23
of
the
package,
I'm
not
sure
which
one
that
is,
it
was
south
elevation.
C
Looking
north
and
again,
this
is
only
seen
from
inside
of
the
site,
but
it's
it's
the
way.
The
roof
line
of
that
sort.
End
connects
to
that
large
concrete
panels
feels
a
bit
awkward
where
it
it
just
kind
of
feels
like
it's
a
it's
an
applied
facade
as
opposed
to
something
that's
a
little
bit
more
integrated
with
the
with
the
structure.
D
D
Let
me
let
me
try
something
here.
A
moment
bear
with
me
just
a
second.
C
D
Drawings
as
I
as
I
go
through
this
packet,
please
stop
me
on
the
image
that
you're
asking
about.
C
D
C
Yeah,
so
if
you
of
course,
so
you
can
kind
of
see
where
that,
where
the
roof
plane
kind
of
intersects
with
that
wall,
it
just
feels
like
it's.
C
It
feels
odd
to
me
there
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
a
better
way
to
make
that
connection,
but
it
just
kind
of
feels
bizarre
now
go
to
the
next,
the
next
image
and
it
even
becomes
clearer
where,
from
that
side,
it
really
looks
like
those
are
kind
of
disconnected
panels
over
there,
but
it's
just
it's
just
feels
a
little
bit
awkward
to
me.
That's
all.
D
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
nick
on
this
particular
area,
isn't
the
roof
plane
slightly
separate
from
the
wall.
K
D
So
here
is
that
southern
part
of
that
home,
here's
the
wall
and
this
is
actually
an
open
area.
That's
got
some
landscaping
in
it,
so
I
think
the
the
imagery
or
the
illusion
when
you're
looking
at
it
from
in
this
part
of
the
lot,
is
that
the
wall
is
almost
separate
from
the
volume
of
the
house.
K
But
it
was
important
for
maintaining
that
that
view
corridor
as
you're
walking
down
to
the
guest
rooms
without
needing
to
create
unnecessary,
conditioned
space
within
right,
right,
right
right
and
keep
the
rhythm
of
these
walls
too.
Right.
B
B
27
feet
above
the
curb
is
really
a
big
element.
It's
a
huge
element
and-
and
I
know
the
neighbors
across
the
street
were
talking
about
views
and
what's
commonly
done
in
los
angeles,
and
maybe
here
to
a
lesser
degree,
is
that
you
stake
out
where
the
building
is
and
the
heights,
so
that
you
can
actually
see
what
impact
that
building
will
have
on
the
on
the
residents.
B
The
neighbors
views
view
quarters,
and
I
think
that's
really
going
to
be
important
for
this
because,
quite
frankly,
at
27
feet
above
the
curb
and
I'm
assuming
they're
at
a
comparable
elevation
as
the
street
at
their
pool
deck.
That's
that's
going
to
block
their
view
and
as
I
look
at
it,
what
what
opening
there
is
is
maybe
above
the
carport
and
the
the
driveway
gate,
but
then
you've
got
a
building
beyond
that.
So
I'm
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
height
of
that
and
I
understand
architecturally.
B
I
think
it's
a
beautiful
idea,
it's
beautifully
executed.
I
just
don't
know
that
it's
as
neighbor
friendly
as
it
ought
to
be,
and
the
other
thing
is
the
noise
impact
and
the
light
impact
on
the
neighbor
to
the
south
of
the
pickleball
board
report
pickleball
court.
I
have
a
lot
of
concern
in
their
letter.
They
mentioned
that
that's
where
their
their
three
bedrooms
are
located
along
the
north
side
of
their
house,
which
would
be
adjacent
to
the
pickleball
courts.
B
Pickle
ball
is
a
noisy
sport
it'll
be
up
to
planning
commission
to
condition
that
it
may
be
that
they
conditioned
time
on
it
for
both
the
lights
and
playing.
But
it's
a
concern,
and
I
just
wonder
if
there
wasn't
another
place
on
this
huge
site
that
it
couldn't
go,
that
it
wouldn't
have
the
negative
impact
on
the
neighbor.
B
And
the
third
point,
which
was
brought
out
by
other
committee
members,
was
the
screening
of
the
dr
of
the
four
car
garage
and
I
think
it
can
be
successfully
done
with
planting,
and
I
hope
that
it
will
be
so
that's
all.
I
have.
E
E
And
some
study
of
of
the
views
as
you
most
of
the
homes
in
that
area
are
are
north
of
this,
so
people
will
be
coming
past.
This
and
they're
I
mean
they'll
drive
up,
but
as
they
drive
down
the
impact
of
those
garages
and
motor
court,
I
think
could
be
addressed.
You
know
we
we
do
like
to
rely
on
landscaping,
but
it
changes
over
time
and
I
think
there
might
be
some
and
and
to
also
see
if
that
area
may
ever
be
gated
as
well.
E
C
E
B
A
So
our
next
meeting
was
regularly
scheduled
for
march
15th,
but
as
a
recall,
at
the
last
meeting,
we're
going
to
move
that
up
to
march
8th
and
at
that
meeting
we
do
have
some
items
of
business
and
we're
going
to
try
and
keep
those
to
a
minimum
so
that
we
can
also
discuss
what
director
of
fab
was
mentioning
regarding
changes
to
the
architectural
review
process.