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Okay,
since
this
is
a
public
meeting
audience,
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issues
as
within
this
Committee's
purview.
Comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
beginning
of
the
item
when
the
item
is
presented.
If
you
want
to
speak
on
an
item
that
is
not
on
today's
agenda,
you
may
do
so
now
believe
everybody
here
is
case-related.
So
at
this
point,
we're
gonna
go
with
the
meeting
minutes
from
the
last
meeting.
Any
revisions
or
comments.
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B
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F
This
is
a
proposed
landscape
designed
for
the
southeast
corner
of
the
project
site.
The
proposed
design
implements
distinctive
design
elements
that
were
observed
in
a
phase
one
area,
and
these
details
include
the
placement
of
three
boo,
perverted
trees
in
the
in
the
central
section
of
the
main
planting
area,
which
will
be
paroled
to
the
building
innovations
and
a
row
of
a
yellow
bells.
F
F
Although
the
project
proposes
design
materials
are
being
implemented
in
another
area
of
the
project
site.
Excuse
me
at
the
condo
complex
staff
finds
that
the
minor
alterations
to
the
design
desirable
to
improve
overall
design
compositions,
as
discussed
in
this
report
and
the
design
issues
that
the
staff
is
concerned
about
is
the
location
of
the
Mediterranean
farms
in
the
Kona
kaback
areas.
F
Also,
the
lack
of
diversity
in
the
sides
for
the
proposed
borders
and
a
solitary
and
ambiguous
placement
of
certain
plant
materials,
and
also
the
visual
consistency
and
the
connectivity
between
the
main
planting
area
and
the
parkways
and
in
the
report,
staff
included,
recommended
conditions
of
approval
for
the
committee
to
review
the
staff
and
applicants
for
both
available
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have,
and
this
concludes
staff
presentation.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Noriko.
A
E
You
Noriko,
the
one
question
I
have
is
the
and
maybe
the
applicant
will
be
able
to
clarify
on
this.
The
decomposed
granite,
that's
being
proposed
is
called
brimstone
and
it
appears
to
be
a
much
darker
color
than
that
that
was
used
on
the
phase.
One
part
of
the
project
is
that
accurate
or
should
I
ask
the
applicant
when
they
come
up.
G
Hello,
my
name
is
Elvis
Aranda
and
I'm
with
granmarg
landscape.
It
is
brimstone,
it
seems
to
be
that
when
they
harvest
actual
color
it's
from
the
quarry.
It
comes
in
different
tones,
but
it's
brimstone
that
was
used
previously
on
the
first
phase
and
that
we're
going
to
use
in
the
second
phase.
It
will
lighten
up
slightly
when
we
do
apply
the
actual
material
into
that
where
it's
designated
and
the
Sun
gets
sun
exposure
to
it.
G
Not
get
a
chance
to
review
those
comments.
I
did
receive
several
emails
because
we've
been
trying
to
apply
for
a
lengthy
period
of
time
and
I
did
not
receive
anything
in
conjunction
I
did
stop
by
several
times
test.
Miss
Noriko,
if
anything
that
we
needed
to
do
it
on
our
behalf,
to
make
the
corrections
or
make
anything
more
easier
for
you
guys
for
clarity,
did.
A
G
G
Would
actually
put
them
in
an
area
where
it's
a
little
bit
more
viable
in
space
I,
don't
think
I'd
go
any
different,
defer
too
far
away
from
where
they're,
really
at
just
an
area
where
they
can
actually
grow
in
a
little
bit
better.
We
were
actually
anticipating
to
have
them
there
as
a
focal
point.
It
looked
good.
G
It
flows
good
with
them
maturing
I,
think
that
would
be
something
that
would
look
good
in
that
area
for
the
homeowners
looking
out
into
the
street
and
take
a
different
perspective
opposed
to
seeing
it
from
streets
at
in
also.
So,
you
would
have
to
look
at
him
on
both
ends
to
kind
of
see
what
I'm
talking
about.
Okay,.
A
G
Anticipation
was
to
kind
of
mimic
what
was
already
a
done
in
the
first
phase,
so
we
anticipate
leaving
it
the
way.
It
was
that's
why
we
drew
it
out
in
the
plan,
but
if
it
comes
down
for
us
to
move
them,
so
we
can
get
approval
to
an
area
where
we'll
make
more
sense
viable
to
you
guys
and
also
not
just
myself,
but
you
know
to
the
actual
HOA
I
would
like
to
kind
of
meet
somewhere
in
the
middle.
So
we
can
appease
you
guys,
an
appease
the
people
that
I'm
working
for
okay.
A
I
G
Is
kind
of
confusing
because
you
have
to
reflect
back
and
see
the
pictures
to
see
how
the
layout
is,
that
is
an
actual
street.
That's
a
street
corner
on
the
far
left
and
the
met
palms
a
little
bit
further
up.
So
you
would
see
those
a
little
bit
more
towards
the
inside
of
the
community
post
to
the
street
side.
Oh,
it's.
I
F
G
G
That's
how
we
have
a
laid
out,
but
with
the
layout
itself
it's
it's
it's
forgiving
in
a
sense
that
we
can
spread
out
the
palms
a
little
bit
open
on
either
end
going
right
or
going
up
to
your
left.
There's
always
ways
that
we
can
maneuver
or
place
the
trees
somewhere
else,
that's
different.
That
will
make
sense.
So
if
we
need
to
spread
them
apart
a
little
bit
more,
we
can
be
willing
to
do
that.
D
D
G
That's
correct
see:
this
is
the
area.
What
I
would
actually
recommend
to
move
them.
The
other
one
is
more
going
on
a
private
road
and
it's
on
a
straightaway.
This
corner
right
here.
You
actually
have
a
little
bit
more
traffic
of
ongoing
cars
coming
back,
both
in
east
and
west
and
both
south
and
north.
So
you
will
have
more
traffic
on
this
corner.
Yeah.
G
Definitely
move
the
palm
trees
back
and
you
know
once
mattered:
Mediterranean
palm
tree
gets
to
full
growth.
It's
only
gonna
be
a
max
of
up
to
15
feet
tall.
They
will
lace
out
as
they
grow.
They
don't
get
fuller.
You
know
we're
trying
to
maintain
them
where
they're
just
single
stock
multi-trunk.
So
like
an
average
Mexican
fan
palm
you'll,
actually
see
it
grow
and
you'll
have
a
stock
of
it
and
then
the
eventually
the
head
of
it
will
be
above.
D
There
so
just
yeah
double
take
a
look
at
that.
Okay,
definitely
made
note
of
it
now,
and
my
only
other
concern
is
I'm
in
agreement
with
the
staff
I
read
in
here
that
the
quantity
of
plants
with
a
single
single
plant
placement,
okay,
spread
around
I,
think
phase
one
looks
nice
I
think
you
could
take
that,
and
you
know
do
a
little
more
clustering
of
like
kind
plants
and
perhaps
some
more
of
the
Kozma.
D
G
Like
to
see
more
clusters
right,
we
were
anticipating
to
put
a
little
bit
more
greenery
on
this
corner.
It's
a
little
bit
more
on
the
desert
side
on
the
first
phase,
which
we're
also
going
to
incorporate
some
more
greenery
in
both
phases
as
we
progress.
But
clustering
will
be
a
good
idea
and
we
can
manage
that,
especially
where
we're
gonna
have
focal
points.
So
that'd
be
a
good
idea
that
we
can
do.
What
we
tried
to
do
is
just
mimic
what
we
already
had,
but
your
comments
and
ideas
are
more
than
welcome
great.
H
Couple
questions:
what
are
the
rooms
on
the
interior
of
the
building
and
why?
Why
haven't
you
noted
any
windows
or
doors
or
anything
like
that,
so
I'm
having
trouble,
seeing
how
this
really
responded
to
the
owners
needs
without
really
taking
into
account
what
their
views
are
from
the
interior
of
the
building.
I
really.
G
H
Other
thing
is
the
so
to
me:
that's
important
with
the
landscape:
I,
don't
I,
don't
quite
see
how
it
responds
to
the
needs
of
the
owner
and
it's
not
a
question
anymore.
It's
just
a
comment
that
I
don't
see
how
that's
possible
without
analyzing
what
the
views
are
from
the
interior
just
seems
like
it's
just
for
the
passerby
I
think.
G
H
Me
just
move
on
to
the
next
one.
Then
the
these
rigid
placement
I
noticed
it
in
some
of
the
photographs
from
the
prior
phase,
I
guess
in
2016,
but
it
seems
like
there's
a
fairly
if
you
can
leave
that
one
up
there
and
I
guess
cross-reference
the
planting
plan,
but
don't
quite
get
the
connection
between
this
rigid
placement
of
plants
and
what
you're
proposing
now,
which
is
a
similar,
rigid
placement
or
spacing
of
plant
material,
all
lined
up
same
distance
from
the
sidewalk
or
the
face
of
the
curb
and
and
so
I
guess.
H
A
H
A
A
Area
underneath
the
trees,
the
polar
bear,
the
trees,
so
it's
almost
like
I
hate
to
use
the
supporter,
but
it's
almost
like
an
arroyo
of
green
carpet.
You
know
that
you're
creating
underneath
and
I
thought
it
was
a.
It
was
a
solid
idea
because
in
a
DG
setting
you
know
the
irrigation
from
the
green
carpet
could
also
be
used
to
enforce
the
roots
of
the
trees.
In
the
new
plan
that
you
have,
the
green
carpet
is
more
placed
sort
of
in
the
outer
crown
of
the
trees.
So
why
that
change?
Well.
G
G
The
24
inch
box
is
no
more
than
like,
maybe
a
foot
foot
and
a
half
out
so
once
you
start
having
to
treat
a
mature
Notah
for
it
to
stabilize
so
you
don't
have
subsurface
roots,
you
actually
want
to
have
the
actual
plant
material
a
little
bit
further
out,
spaced
out
or
the
canopy
of
the
tree
once
it
gets
to
a
maturity.
Point
can
be
sustained
where
the
root
system
can
reach
out
to
that
water,
which.
D
A
G
We're
out
there
we're
gonna,
see
similarities
to
what
we're
gonna
do
to
place
everything
to
the
same
kind
of
layout
as
we
have
we've
learned,
and
we
also
want
to
adjust
as
best
as
we
can
to
have.
You
know
better
growth.
Obviously
we
start
placing
some
of
the
plant
material
in
a
the
trees.
We're
not
going
to
have
the
plant
material
grow
as
good
as
we
possibly
can,
which
we
have
noticed
struggle
and
actually
die
several
times.
G
No,
there
has
been
period
of
time
where
we
had
to
actually
go
back
and
plant
material
back
in
because
one
of
the
two
things
got
too
much
water
too
shady
or
one
of
the
two
so
we're
trying
to
play
with
the
layout,
but
it's
kind
of
consistent
in
a
similar
way,
but
we're
trying
to
play
with
the
plant
material.
So
it's
not
too
too
affected
by
shade
or
any
other
elements
that
we
have
underneath
the
trees.
A
B
A
A
But
you
still
have
this
layer
of
palm
trees
being
installed
on
this
face
closer
to
the
building
and
then
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
the
same
type
of
palm
trees
closer
to
the
building
I,
see
a
different
type
now
being
planted
on
the
closer
to
the
street
right.
So
how
are
you
continuing
the
same
concept
into
the
new
area?
A.
G
Not
putting
in
the
mexican
fans
is
that
your
question
right
well,
I
don't
believe
that
we
have
to
have
Mexican
fans
in
every
in
every
area.
They
already
have
some
already
existing
in
that
area.
I'm
presuming.
Why
would
we
install
the
ones
that
were
there,
because
there
wasn't
any
there
to
begin
with?
There's
there's
some
on
the
other
end
already
existing,
so
I,
don't
think
it's
necessary
to
just
kind
of
match
everything
given
the
actual
layout
of
the
design.
G
All
we
really
did
was
kind
of
mirror
the
same
existing
thing,
some
plant
materials
that
we
didn't
have
good
luck
with.
We
want
to
improve
on
so
we
want
you
want
to
put
in
better
quality
plant
material
in
so
there's
a
balance
of
everything.
As
you
can
see,
when
you
look
at
the
plant
itself,
it's
pretty
diverse
and
it's
pretty
distinguished
too
and
before
from
the
previous
phase
2
the
phase.
Now
there
might
be
one
or
two
maybe
three
plants
that
are
not
going
to
be
similar,
but
everything's
pretty
dead-on.
G
This
side,
right
here
particularly
didn't,
have
much
of
anything
when
in
the
face
was
done,
so
that's
probably
why
they
incorporated
it
now,
when
I
do
the
plans
that
kind
of
fall-
and
you
know,
follow
the
actual
ideas
of
the
homeowners
association
and
what
they
actually
want
us
to
put
together,
so
they
with
with
them
and
us
doing
the
job
together,
we
put
ideas
together.
This
is
what
we
came
up
to.
Okay,.
G
G
G
G
Now,
if
I
have
to
move
a
plant
but
keep
the
same
plant
material
move
it
a
little
bit
different
to
appease
the
board,
I'll
be
glad
to
do
that
now,
if
I
have
to
add
another
ton
of
gravel
or
cobble
to
appease
the
board,
I'd
be
glad
to
do
that
too.
As
long
as
I
HOA
is
approving,
what
I
want
need
to
do
to
make
it
right,
so
they
can
get
their
rebates
back
I'll
be
gladly!
You
know,
work
with
you
guys,
I'll
be
glad
to
work
with
both
you,
you
guys
and
the
HOA
okay.
I
C
Expanding
on
your
comment
about
the
green
carpet
under
the
trees,
it's
shown
on
the
original
plan
that
was
approved,
but
if
you
look
at
the
pictures
of
what's
planted,
what's
planted,
looks
more
like,
what's
being
suggested
on
this
new
plan,
I
think,
if
anything,
if
more
of
that
green
carpet
is
provided,
I
would
not
put
it
under
the
tree.
I
would
put
it
between
the
trees,
so
you've
got
more
of
a
green
connection
other
than
that
I
like
it
and
I
think
what
they
did
in
the
first
phase
looks
great
a.
D
H
B
A
A
All
right
so
I
like
to
add
the
discussion
on
when
the
pom-pom
and
palms
are
being
added.
There
is
this
idea
that
it
creates
another
sort
of
texture
layer,
so
one
thing
is
to
have
it
concentrated
in
a
corner
so
that
it
creates
its
own
massing.
The
other
one
is
to
space
it
in
such
way,
that
is
in
between
the
Palo
Verde
trees
or
in
between
the
plantings,
so
it
creates
sort
of
like
another
vocabulary
or
another
layer
before
you
see
the
building.
A
So
what
I
want
to
ask
here,
because
we
would
like
to
be
precise
on
our
directions,
is
the
corner
treatment
right
now.
Is
there?
Are
there
tree
three
of
them
at
the
corner
and
then
there's
two
that
are
leading
towards
the
parking
area
as
well
as
having
other
five
of
them
on
cheat
one
of
two
that
is
leading
towards
their
parking
area
as
well?
C
A
A
I'll
buy
that
so
I
think
so
far.
The
comments
we
have
is
recomposition
of
the
palm
trees
and
then
see
if
the
green
carpet
could
be
instead
of
a
perfect
ring
around
the
crown
be
more
in
between
the
palm,
the
Palo
Verde,
so
that
it
can
create
this
carpet
coverage
idea,
and
we
also
want
to
highlight
the
comments
by
staff.
C
A
I
move
that
we
approve
this
plan,
incorporating
the
comments
of
staff
and
also
asking
that
the
camera,
the
the
palm
groups
at
the
corner,
cut
off
area
be
moved
kept
in
a
group
but
put
more
towards
the
ends
of
the
row
of
palaver
days
and
that
the
green
carpet
that
we're
calling
it
filling
the
gaps
between
the
trees
but
not
necessarily
be
added
below
the
trees.
Hey.
A
J
J
This
church
development
was
completed
in
1967
I'm,
not
sure
if
there
has
been
landscape
maintenance
since
that
time,
but
the
following
exhibits
are
our
Riera
that
now
on
the
board,
the
current
condition
of
landscaping
I
decide.
So
in
any
case,
this
new
combustion
would
be
an
improvement
over
what
is
currently
the
current
condition
at
the
site.
J
J
So
there
are
two
main
issues
here
and
those
who
had
discussed
with
the
applicant
number
one.
The
proposal
is
by
choice
from
a
church
and
according
to
the
applicant,
is
limited
resources
available
to
the
church
to
have
an
elaborate
or
and
expanded
landscaping
for
your
site
number
two.
There
are
a
series
of
one-gallon
plans
that
have
been
proposed.
J
Staff
is
proposing,
or
staff
is
recommending
to
the
AAC
that
so
this
application
be
recommended
for
approval
that
the
applicant
be
made
to
provide
a
five-gallon
plant
instead
of
the
1
gallon
plant
has
been
proposed
other
than
that
again.
This
will
be
a
significant
improvement
over
the
current
condition
at
this
site.
This
area
is
the
the
property
to
did
not
abuse
area
is
middle
school
and
it
is
sort
of
theories
and
other
church
premises.
The
landscape
in
a
disorder
premises
seem
a
little
better
than
much
more
maintained
than
this
one
here.
J
So,
besides
that
staff
is
recommending
that,
along
with
the
condition,
has
been
recommended
that
the
AC
make
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
Director
of
Planning
services.
That
will
conclude
my
report,
I'm,
not
sure
if
the
applicant
adding
the
applicant
is
in
the
audience.
So
if
you
have
any
question,
I
will
be
available
to
answer
those.
Thank
you.
A
J
J
K
Meet
with
Edward
on
a
couple
occasions,
I
was
not
aware
of
the
recommendation
to
make
him
one
gallon
two
five-gallon
weed.
We
did
talk
about
the
resources
that
the
church
had.
We
did
have
a
five
gallon
planting
originally
in
that,
but
in
talking
with
Edward
it
was
recommended
he
felt
like
we
needed
more
plant
material,
so
to
kind
of
stay
within
budget.
For
them
we
decided
to
reduce
the
plant
size
from
5
to
1
gallon,
knowing
that
a
lot
of
these
one
gallon
plants
will
thrive.
K
K
A
E
L
So
the
idea
was
to
kind
of
create
just
a
pop
of
color
right
in
the
center
and
even
though
it's
kind
of
hard
to
see
in
this
in
that
PDF,
it's
there's
a
slight
mounting.
That
would
happen
around
that
agave.
So
the
idea
was
to
create
a
little
bit
of
a
focal
area
and
more
than
anything
we
could
we
in
the
original
design.
We
had
it
a
little
bit
more
a
little
bit
more
open
but
to
meet
that
50%
coverage.
We
up
the
quantity,
definitely
how.
L
A
A
So
having
said
that,
if
I
start
from
the
right
side,
what
you're
doing
is
that
you're
putting
this
agave
as
your
focal
point,
and
then
you
have
all
the
VOC
and
building
is
growing
around
it
and
then
at
the
edge
is
where
you
have
the
Safina
Fukushima,
almost
creating
like
a
border,
and
so
what
is
creating
is
more
almost
like
a
circle
of
composition
that
I
think
the
agave
is
going
to
get
lost
in
in
in
that
focal
point
of
it
and
then
to
the
left.
You
have
this
sort
of
beautiful,
clear
story.
Church.
A
Anyway,
you
know
what
I'm
going
to
stained
glasses
right
and
then
on
the
bottom
of
that
you
have
these
three
bougainvillea
at
one
gallon
and
trying
to
compose
to
that
El
architectural
element
and
it
will
get
lost
and
then,
on
the
outer
side,
closer
to
the
sidewalk
again
you're.
Introducing
this
Safina
and
I
know
why
you're
doing
this
is
Affinia
because
it
has
some
vertical
height
to
it.
A
But
I
think
part
of
my
issue
is
that
if
we
had
this
large
area
that
we
want
to
cover,
do
we
want
to
do
it
something
with
desert?
You
know
spoons
or
something
that
has
or
a
desert
grass
that
has
volume
and
mass
and
it
could
actually
cover.
You
know
this
frontage
for
you
without
trying
to
have
this
sprinkled
of
smaller
plants,
so.
L
Most
of
these
plants
that
you
see
on
here
just
to
address
the
size
of
the
plants.
You
know
if
you
take
sandir
Bougainville
a
it's
gonna
grow
about
three
feet
in
each
direction.
So
it's
cuz,
it's
fairly
large
plant
material.
Your
green
carpets
are
gonna
sprawl
as
well.
So,
ideally,
when
you
see
it
here,
that's
probably
at
its
mature
state.
So
event
everything
will
and
about
two
seasons
will
fill
in
I
kind
of
I.
Do
agree
with
you
in
regards
to
see
the
Cisalpine
es
the
Mexican
birds-of-paradise
that
it
is
going
to
create
that
hedge.
L
We
are
more
than
happy
to
take
planetary
out.
It
will
help
reduce
our
installation,
costs
and
irrigation
costs,
which
we
kind
of
needed
on
this
project,
so
it'll
kind
of
let
that
space
kind
of
breathe.
For
sure
and
in
regards
to
planning
around
that
that
peak
on
on
the
left,
the
idea
was
to
have
the
Tacomas
kind
of
be
a
backdrop
and
let
that
peak
that
peak
kind
of
stand
out,
we
we
could
introduce
other
plant
material
like,
like
you,
said,
desert
spoons,
but
desert
spoon
is
the
slow
growing
plant
material.
L
A
I
L
L
L
L
L
Should
be
a
natural
pruning
so
anything
that
that
starts
to
sprawl
up,
then
you
start
thinning
it
out.
You
know
no,
no
squares,
no
little
circles,
you
know
it
should
it
should
be
maintained.
You
know
at
that
thirty
inches.
So
the
idea
what
the
design
was
to
create
this
tier
layout.
So
where
you
have
the
green
carpet
as
a
base,
then
you
have
the
bogan
bilious
and
then,
as
a
backdrop
to
all
that,
you
have
the
Mexican
birds
have.
L
K
Have
a
trustee
from
the
church?
If
you
need
to
ask
any
questions
of
him,
but
yeah
we
did.
We've
shown
him
the
different
pictures
of
what
the
plant
material
looks
like
one
of
the
things
I
would
also
like
to
say
is
we
obviously
are
not
the
on-site
maintenance
company
that
would
be
handling
the
maintenance?
H
H
A
A
H
Bit
more
interest
well-placed
much
more
intentional,
really,
nice
species
of
a
less
item
or
two
then
I'm
getting
a
bit
of
chaos.
Looking
at
the
bougainvillea,
this
is
the
orange
soso
peanut
and
the
yellow
and
the
green
it's
difficult
to
take
all
that
in
for
me,
I'd
rather
see
something
a
bit
more
monotone,
well
groups,
much
more
intentional.
D
D
That
would
be
fine
that
the
existing
to
remain
doesn't
work,
the
stepping
back
if
you
were
standing
across
the
street
according
to
this
plan,
there's
no
balance
the
South
perimeter
wall
and
the
North
perimeter
wall
don't
match
in
terms
of
leaving
any
mark
of
this
is
this:
is
our
property
and
and
we've
had
intention
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here-
a
three
plants
at
the
North
planting
area
under
the
ficus.
The
existing
ficus
tree
is
completely.
D
The
walkway,
if
I,
were
to
drive
in
and
park,
I
presume
being
a
layman
that
I
would
be
using
that
walkway
and
I
don't
find
that
the
plants
chosen
to
be
as
I'm
walking
towards
the
front
door
that
plants
out
in
the
field
of
plants
that
California
are
wouldn't
be
a
particularly
attractive
entry
in
the
winter.
Their
twigs
and
I
think
something
that
that
gives
a
better
nod
to
the
architecture
could
certainly
to
us.
C
C
Also,
it
looks
like
the
intent
was
to
basically
get
this
material
to
cover
the
ground,
almost
like
a
carpet
replacing
the
grass
with
something
else
that
would
be
solid,
I
think
it's
certainly
okay
in
the
design
that
the
bougainvillea
be
clustered
and
that
we
see
shaped
edges
of
the
decomposed
granite
between
the
different
plant
groups.
So
it
doesn't
have
to
be
one
solid
mass
of
plants.
It
could
be
some
carefully
placed
multiple
groups
and
also
the
agave
wants
to
kind
of
bring
your
eye
to
the
center
of
that
long.
C
I
Yeah
I
certainly
agree
with
Tom's
comments.
I
think
a
little
bit
more
focus
on
the
you
know
where
the
same
glass
is
and
the
church
would
be
more
appropriate
than
the
blank
wall
on
the
other
side.
I
agree
with
the
GAVI
feels
kind
of
lonely
in
that
spot,
and
some
tighter
clustering
of
things
with
with
a
bit
more
open
space
in
between
I
think,
would
be
a
good
addition.
A
He
goes,
the
subcommittee
means
that
we
are
accepting
the
design
in
some
shape
and
form
so
and
then
the
if,
if
we
decide
not
to
approve
the
project-
and
it
will
be
from
the
applicant
and
the
staff
to
continue
working
on
this
and
I,
can't
stop
saying
that
this
is
a
an
amazing
effort
to
wanting
to
improve
that
keep
in
the
area.
It's
a
beautiful
church.
It's
you
know
right
next
to
the
school,
which
is
also
a
beautiful
school,
so
the
intentions
are
really
well
put
together.
A
H
B
A
A
A
Okay,
so
we're
back
on
track
a
little
later
409.
Thank
you
for
waiting.
We
will
be
moving
to
freehold
communities,
LLC
request
for
a
preliminary
planned
development
district,
a
major
architectural
application
for
the
development
of
the
condominium,
complex
of
undeveloped
parcel
in
planning
area
five
of
phase
one
staff
report,
please
yeah.
J
Once
again,
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
AAC,
so
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
to
provide
the
AAC
a
be
a
brief
background
of
this
project
and
also
the
process
of
the
application
that
is
before
you.
So
the
Marilyn
provel
upon
was
approved
way
back
in
2004
and
at
the
time
it
was
approved
as
a
planned
development
district.
That
will
consist
a
total
of
one
thousand
one
and
fifty
residential
units
out
of
those
seven
and
fifty
were
to
be
single-family.
Residence
and
390
area
of
those
will
be
multifamily
development.
J
So
what
you
have
here
is
the
entire
Maryland
development,
so
on
the
perimeter
of
the
site
is
mostly
the
single-family
residence.
This
area,
this
u-shaped
area,
is
the
multi-family
parcel.
So
this
is
sixteen
point.
One
acre
there
are
two
sections
of
decider
is
reserved
for
multifamily.
So
this
is
the
area.
Five-
and
here
is
your
the
one
part
of
Phase
two
so
phase
one
is
decided
and
the
applicant
is
proposing
853
condominium
units.
J
So,
as
I
stated
earlier,
this
development
was
approved
in
2004
by
the
City
Council,
the
planned
development
district.
However,
there
was
a
condition
that
was
imposed
on
this
project
at
a
time
that,
when
the
dis
portion
of
the
development
comes
back
for
a
review
process,
EB
developed
with
our
prea
standards,
so
even
though
it
says
preliminary
planned
development
district,
the
applicant
is
now
requesting
for
any
deviation
or
any
relief
from
the
code
requirement.
J
This
project
has
been
conditioned
to
comply
with
our
three
development
standards,
both
in
open
space
requirement
density
height
and
setback
requirements
and
building
separations.
All
these
are
to
comply
with
our
three
development
standards,
and
a
preliminary
review
of
the
proposal
by
staff
indicates
that
the
applicant
has
complied
with
all
those
development
standards.
There
are
two
issues
that
that
staff
has
pointed
out
here:
number
one
is
the
non
provision
of
a
central
trash
enclosure.
J
However,
the
applicant
will
will
elaborate
more
on
that
when
he
comes
up
to
speak
and
also
to
let
the
ASE
know
that
a
final,
detailed,
a
landscape
plan
and
architectural
plans
would
be
brought
back
to
you
on
final
development
plans.
Just
for
the
benefit
of
those
that
are
relatively
new
on
the
board,
if
a
preliminary
plan
Development
District
application
requires
two
reviews
are
still
in
our
code.
The
first
phase
will
be
the
preliminary
where
you
review
the
the
architectural
mass
and
the
type
of
architecture
that
has
been
proposed.
J
That
goes
to
if
it's
approved
or
if
you
recommend
approval
at
a
stage,
it
goes
to
the
Planning
Commission
the
Planning
Commission,
if
approved,
goes
to
the
Council
for
approval,
then
it
comes
back
to
you
as
a
final
PD.
That's
when
more
detailed
or
any
type
of
con
additions
that
may
have
been
recommended
by
ASC
or
imposed
by
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
incorporated
into
the
project
and
then
comes
back
to
you
for
a
review.
J
Having
said
that,
there
are
decide
on
this.
The
following
exhibit
will
show
you
more
arm
body
the
plan
itself
and,
as
I
stated
earlier,
there
are
a
hundred
and
fifty
three
units
has
been
proposed.
According
to
the
number
of
units
that
the
multifamily
area
allows,
this
person
could
could
accommodate
up
to
one
hundred
and
sixty
six.
However,
the
applicant
is
proposing
a
hundred
and
fifty
three
units
on
this
on
this
particular
component
of
the
development.
The
applicant
has
twice
gone
before
the
Planning
Commission
as
a
study
session.
J
Again,
my
intention
is
just
to
provide
you
with
those
brief
background,
I'm
going
to
call
on
the
applicant
and
his
architect
who
are
here
to
talk
more
about
the
body,
Southside
planning
and
the
type
of
units
that
have
been
proposed
before
you.
I
have
more
exhibits
here.
That
shows
the
plant
types
that
have
been
proposed.
As
I
mentioned
in
the
staff
report,
there
are
five
main
housing
types
but
clustered
and
individual
units
that
are
being
proposed
here
and
also
I
have
renderings
to
show
you
what
it
will
look
like
upon
completion.
J
There
are
five
different
ranges
that
are
happier,
but
also
in
your
package.
I
have
more
exhibits
that
shows
the
floor
plans,
I
choose
elevations
the
sections
and
also
the
type
of
materials
that
have
been
proposed
and,
as
I
mentioned,
a
conceptual
landscaping
was
part
of
this
proposal.
At
this
stage,
however,
a
more
detailed
landscape
plan
will
come
back
to
you
at
the
final
PD
stage.
J
J
C
J
M
Hi
there,
my
name
is
Brad
Chuck
Hart
I
work
for
freehold
communities.
We
are
the
owner
of
the
larger
mirror
on
project.
So
thank
you
first
and
foremost,
for
your
time
today,
I
am
going
to
spend
just
a
couple
of
brief
moments.
Talking
about
a
couple
of
things,
one
Edward.
Thank
you
for
setting
the
context
of
this
project.
M
It
is
really
a
project
within
a
project
and
any
context
is
important
because
well
we're
not
asking
for
any
deviations
from
our
three
standards
which
require,
for
example,
forty
five
percent
open
space,
which
is
a
combination
of
private
and
public
open
space
per
the
code.
I
think
it's
important
to
note
that
this
piece
relates
to
and
is
surrounded
by
nearly
seventy
acres
of
open
space.
M
So
one
of
the
conditions,
for
example,
that
was
mentioned
by
the
Planning
Commission,
and
our
two
study
sessions,
was
with
respect
to
the
amenity
package
that
was
specific
to
this
planning
area
and
one
of
the
our
responses
to
that
was.
You
know
please
keep
in
mind
that
this
is
immediately
adjacent
to
what
will
be
a
12,000
square
foot
community
clubhouse
that
is
designed
for
the
community
as
a
whole.
And
frankly,
we
want
to
drive
activity
to
that
location
rather
than
create
a
subset
of
homeowners
that
only
that
have
their
own
kind.
J
M
M
The
answer
to
that
is
within
the
week
if
the
weather
holds
and
we
can
get
the
valves
in
place
and
if
not
this
week
next,
it's
a
large
grove,
so
it'll
take
roughly
a
month
to
get
in
barring
unforeseen
circumstances,
but
we
are
in
process,
so
it
will
proceed
well
in
advance
of
this
development.
The
lines
on
here
represent
various
trail
connections.
There
are
connections
to
the
social
spaces
that
sit
adjacent
to
the
lakes.
M
Then
you
can
see
the
clubhouse
in
kind
of
the
upper
right-hand
corner
of
the
of
this
graphic
and
then
similarly,
this
slide
was
put
together
in
response
to
one
of
the
concerns
of
the
Planning
Commission,
which
was
okay.
If
you
want
to
drive
people
to
the
clubhouse,
how
long
is
it
gonna
take
them
to
get
there,
and
the
answer
is
you
can
even
from
the
furthest?
M
This
is
the
planning
area
as
a
plan
that's
been
proposed
and
the
circles
are
in
excuse
me.
The
squares
here
represent
the
various
plan,
types
that
Edwards
suggested
and
we
can
dig
into
the
details.
But
one
last
comment
before
I
turn
it
over
to
our
to
Colin
Lou
from
Robert
Heidi
architects
is,
we
are
freehold,
is
a
master-planned
community
developer.
That
means
we're
we're
horizontal
guys,
we're
not
vertical
guys.
M
So
we
want
to
kind
of
set
the
groundwork
for
what
a
future
builder
will
kind
of
the
framework
within
which
they
have
to
play,
but
we're
not
here
to
advocate
for
any
particular
floor
plans
per
se.
All
of
those
details
be
worked
out,
ultimately
by
our
builder.
It's
just
that
we
can't
advise
somebody
as
to
what
the
appropriate
price
is
or
really
even
have
a
fruitful
discussion
with
a
builder
until
we
understand
what
they
yield
on.
This
is
B,
and
what
the
how
many
units?
How
big?
Are
they?
M
Those
sorts
of
things
has
ultimately
that
results
in
sort
of
in
a
residual
value
that
allows
us
to
negotiate
on
equal
footing.
So,
having
said
that,
I
will
turn
it
now
over
to
column
mu
from
Robert
Heidi.
Who
can
talk
about
the
architectural
elements
and
I
will
jump
back
up
here
and
talk
at
very
high
level
about
the
about
the
landscaping
elements,
and
we
do
have
a
representative
from
C
to
Nicky
Wu
here.
If
you
have
detailed
questions
about
the
thank
you.
N
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Colin.
Liu
I'm
gonna
discuss
a
little
bit
about
the
site
planning
aspect
of
it
on
the
screen.
The
site
is
located
as
Edward
mentioned
earlier.
It's
on
a
loop
street.
It's
a
u-shaped
loop
street
with
sidewalk
on
the
insight
at
the
loop
and
then
and
also
a
central
north
to
south
of
pedestrian-only
paseo.
There
are
series
of
five
social
areas
that
are
that
are
linked
inside
this,
this
common
paseo
there.
The
plans
are
there's
153
units.
N
Alright
I
need
to
find
the
okay
there
we
go
so
that
and
well
yours
was
showing
you
on
the
on
the
screen
is
that
the
plan
three
and
plan
for,
on
the
very
left
hand
side
are
two-story.
Unist
I,
take
access
directly
from
the
street,
the
plants,
one
and
two
that
they
are
single-story
duplexes
are
accessed
from
the
lane,
the
motor
court.
You
walk
down
further
down
the
motor
corn.
You
access
that
the
units
individually,
the
plants
each
Eunice
has
his
own
private
yards.
N
N
There
are
three
elevations
styles
assigned
to
each
plan
type
to
avoid
the
monotony
monotonous
at
the
building
elevations.
This
is
a
shot
from
standing
from
the
northern
edge
looking
down
south.
This
is
the
thatshe
structure.
As
you
see
it's
the
beginning
of
the
north
and
site
of
that,
the
pedestrian
paseo,
as
you
walked
on
the
very
southern
end
of
the
paseo,
is
a
a
common
social
area.
N
Rendering
number
six
is
the
view
from
the
eat
from
the
west
side.
Looking
into
that,
this
multi-family
community
again
we're
on
this
we're
going
after
this
model,
rather
than
having
all
attached
unis
separating
the
units
into
into
individual
they're,
almost
their
detached
condominiums.
That
would
allow
for
private
yards
there's
architecture
on
all
four
sides:
the
units
daylight.
N
As
you
can
see
indicated
by
the
red
arrows
that
one
will
be
able
to
access
the
common
open
space
around
the
ring,
so
that's
kind
of
what
I
have
to
to
say
about
the
architecture.
I'll
be
more
than
happy
to
to
answer
any
questions
you
might
have
regarding
the
elevations
I
know,
there's
a
it's
a
lot
of
info!
May
it's
being
presented
in
front
of
you.
So
please
let
us
know
if
you
have
any
other
question
I'm
going
to
turn
it
back
to
Brad,
to
discuss
more
about
the
landscape
features.
M
So
I
am
NOT
a
landscape
designer,
so
I
will
go
through
this
as
quickly
as
I
can
and
let
you
ask
the
questions
of
the
experts
after
the
fact,
but
Colin
mentioned
a
couple
of
couple
of
things
that
we
started
with
and
then
tweaked
over
the
course
of
time.
During
our
conversation
with
the
Planning
Commission,
the
first
of
which
is
this
entry
sequence
along
palladium,
which
is
the
north
northern
border
of
the
project.
M
One
of
the
overriding
themes
of
this
project
and
kind
of
Marilyn
as
a
whole
is
the
juxtaposition
of
formal
plantings
and
informal
plantings,
and
so
we've
incorporated
that
into
a
formal
planting
scheme
on
the
north
side
of
this.
The
other
element
that
we've
included
is
an
8
foot
wide
sidewalk
along
the
northerly
border.
That
connects
the
cart
path
on
the
west
side
of
the
planting
area,
to
the
cart
path
on
the
east
side.
M
Sorry,
its
DG
on
the
west
and
concrete
path
on
the
east
side
of
this,
which
was
a
requirement
of
the
original
approved
or
as
modified
PDD.
This
slide
also
starts
to
show
the
central
Greenbelt
element,
as
it
extends
subtly
into
the
project.
The
shade
structure
you
at
the
northern
end
you
previously
saw,
which
is
an
accommodation
to
one
of
the
recommendations
of
the
Planning
Commission
here,
is
an
elevation
of
that
same
northerly
entrance.
M
M
This
Oasis
Plaza
sits
immediately
in
the
middle
of
the
project.
It's
basically
the
the
mid
mid
boy
point
between
the
north
north-south
Greenbelt
and
an
enhanced,
walking,
slash,
vehicular
access
path,
we've
and
when
I
say
enhanced
its
enhanced
with
additional
landscaping,
because
we
wanted
to
create
an
east-west
early
movement.
M
The
sidewalk
is
sort
of
articulated
to
create
interest,
but
it
also
creates
these
little
seating
areas,
we're
going
to
have
built-in
benches
and
a
lot
of
people
congregate,
and
then
the
southerly
terminus
is
what
we're
calling
the
sorry
it's
not
the
terminus
per
se.
We
actually
extended
the
Greenbelt
beyond
at
the
request
of
the
Planning
Commission,
but
at
the
subtly
end
of
the
you,
if
you
will
there's
the
there's
a
open
area,
Colin
referred
to
it
as
dog
park,
I.
Think
it's
a
dog
park
in
the
in
an
informal
sense.
It's
not
intended
to
be.
M
You
know,
take
your
dog
off
the
leash,
but
it's
just
a
place
for
you
know
in
the
evenings.
You
want
to
take
your
dog
for
a
walk.
You
know
there
will
be
a
fire
box.
There'll
be
a
shade
structure.
You
saw
the
built
in
place,
seating
and
the
rendering
so
basically
another
place
to
congregate.
I
make
the
distinction,
though,
because
at
the
amenity
Center
we
too
have
two
dedicated
dog
parks
where
we
anticipate
people
that
want
to
take
their
dogs
off
leash.
M
They
can
be
there
within
five
minutes
and
let
them
create
in
that
way,
suddenly
trail
access,
so
I
think.
We've
we've
already
addressed
enough.
Shade
structure
there
again
in
response
to
the
Planning
Commission,
and
then
we
call
and
mention
the
penetrations
on
both
the
east
and
the
west.
At
each
of
the
end
of
those
alleys,
we
have
the
ability
for
our
residents
to
get
immediately
out
into
the
groves
and
there
is
a
trail.
That's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
planting
area.
M
On
the
east
side,
we
you
know
that
that
gives
ready
access
to
the
social
spaces
in
the
south
east
of
the
project
and
also
the
amenity
Center.
On
the
west
side.
One
of
the
things
the
Planning
Commission
originally
suggested
was
to
install
another
trail
immediately
adjacent
to
the
West,
and
we've
pushed
back
against
that
and
Planning
Commission
seems
to
have
concurred
because
we,
like
the
experience
of
our
residents,
actually
getting
out
into
the
groves.
It's
a
very
different
experience.
A
Brad,
can
you
can
you
set
the
tone,
as
you
mentioned,
that
you
you're
the
developer,
and
so
there
will
be
something
like
Toll
Brothers
coming
to
you
and
saying:
okay,
we
want
to
develop
the
multi-family
area,
so
at
that
point
with
what
they
adopt,
that
design
that
we
are
looking
today
or
would
they
have
their
own
architects
and
then
come
up
with
something
that
is
similar
to
this
style.
They.
M
If
you
look
in
your
details
there
who
did
those
some
of
those
same
pages,
because
we
want
to
carry
over
those
design
elements
into
this,
to
create
some
continuity,
while
giving
the
architects
enough
flexibility
to
do
something.
Creative
and
meet
market
demands.
So
long
winded
way
of
saying
is
whatever
it
is.
That
gets
approved
here
as
part
of
this
preliminary
PDD
will
be
the
rules
by
which
the
final
PDD
will
be
adjudicated,
but.
M
A
B
Chair,
if
I
could
just
interject
as
well
as
you're
aware
the
plan,
Development
District
process
is
a
two-stage
process,
as
mr.
Robertson
has
already
indicated
that
the
applicant
comes
forward
with
the
preliminary
plan
development
plans,
which
are
schematic
in
nature
and
then
at
the
final
plan
development
stage,
we
see
more
developed
drawings,
so
we'll
get
into
the
specifics
of
the
placement
of
all
the
landscape
materials,
the
sizes
etc,
as
well
as
the
colors
materials,
and
making
sure
that
they're
generally
consistent
with
the
preliminary
plan
development.
B
If,
for
example,
the
third
party
builder
comes
back
with
something
that
is
substantially
different
than
what
you're
seeing
today,
we
would
have
to
have
them
go
back
through
the
preliminary
plan
development
process,
and
so
it
needs
to
be
generally
consistent
with
what
you're,
seeing
here
today
in
terms
of
the
final
PDD
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear
to
both
the
applicant
and
to
our
AAC
that
if
the
final
PD
comes
back
as
something
different
than
what
we're
seeing
here
today,
we'll
go
back
through
the
preliminary
plan
development
stage.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
C
M
I
mean
those
those
elements
you
just
mentioned.
I
mean
we
would
argue
that
the
central
Paseo
and
the
park
at
the
southerly
end
of
the
loop,
where
you
know
our
on
site
and
also
amenities,
are
features
of
the
element.
But
yes,
the
those
specifically
the
social
spaces
in
the
dog
park
in
the
amenities
and
the
clubhouse
are
off-site
technically
and.
C
M
The
weather
we've
made
again
recognizing
that
these
are
preliminary
this.
This
is
a
preliminary
look
at
this
project
in
general,
because
each
of
these
homes
have
private
yards,
there's
room
for
individual
trash
cans,
so
the
anticipation
is
that
they
would
be
stored
within
you
know
their
de
facto
property.
C
Years
ago,
I
worked
for
mobile
land
development
and
we
did
a
very
similar
process
where
mobile
bought
a
big
chunk
of
land
and
divided
it
up.
So,
if
I'm
understanding
the
director
correctly
in
you,
we're
not
approving
any
specific
plans
today,
we're
proving
the
concept
of
these
plans
and
this
site
plan,
but
we're
gonna
get
specifics
when
your
specific
builder
purchases,
the
land
from
you
that.
C
D
With
the
landscape
materials
packages,
we
see
some
of
the
gate
criteria,
patio
gates
and
tree
ways.
Some
have
lights,
some
do
not
so
my
doorbell
somebody,
not
I,
mean
that's
little
stuff,
but
in
the
bigger
picture
I
don't
see,
any
concept
of
street
lighting
or
processes
will
be
tall
poles
for
broad
lighting.
Will
it
there's
a
picture
in
here
that
looks
like
some
are
building
mounted
what
what's
a
nighttime
field.
M
Yeah
sorry
I
look
backwards
because
they're
actually
no
streetlights
in
this
entire
project,
the
only
streetlights
that
are
likely
to
be
installed
are
at
the
clubhouse,
which
is
by
code,
but
this
project
at
least
the
larger
PDD
falls
under
the
dark
sky
ordinance,
and
that
was
the
street
lights
were
specifically
precluded.
So
any
lighting
that
you
know
it
would
be,
it
would
would
be
mounted
on
the
unit's
themselves
and
there
are
restrictions
as
to
you
know
how
that
light
is
treated.
M
So
we
do
have
neighbors,
even
if
those
neighbors
are
other
single
family
buyers
within
the
broader
Nero
lawn
community
that
we're
sensitive
and
and
neighbors.
More
broadly,
in
that
we
are
adjacent
to
Palermo
and
and
we
we've
been
purposefully
cognizant
of
of
playing
nice
with
everybody.
That's
around
us,
that's
the
intention
there
and.
D
M
We
would
certainly
apply
with
any
sort
of
code
and-
and
it
was
asked
earlier
whether
fire
had
looked
at
this.
The
answer
is
yes.
Early
on,
we
met
with
fire
officials,
we
had
concerns
about
Street,
wits
and
making
sure
we
were
compliant
and
we
have
created
street
parking
but
they're
in
designated
areas.
So,
yes,
so
the
long
in
the
shortest
fire
is
aware
of
this
design.
They've
largely
signed
off
and
to
the
extent
that
they
had
a
requirement
to
light
up
numbering
or
anything
like
that,
we
would
comply.
E
H
H
B
In
terms
of
the
density,
it
complies
with
both
the
general
plan
and
the
plan
development
district
that's
been
approved
for
this
pod,
but
looking
at
adjacencies,
as
mr.
Robertson
has
indicated,
it
does
meet
the
setbacks
or
the
building
separation
requirements
in
the
r3
zoning
district,
looking
at
the
overall
site
plan
and
how
the
units
relate
to
one
another
is
also
part
of
your
purview.
As
this
preliminary
plan
development
review,
okay.
M
M
Adding
a
pool
to
that
mix
will
increase
that
burden
and
three
this
isn't
relate
specifically
to
this
planning
area.
But
you
know
the
notion
that
you'd
have
to
have
a
public
pool
or
a
publicly
available
pool,
adjacent
or
approximate
to
the
units
was
not
an
issue
on
the
larger
single-family
development
and
frankly,
these
folks
are
a
lot
closer
to
the
central
amenity
than
you
know.
M
M
Sorry,
that's
the
one
distinction
I
should
have
made,
so
we
we
do
all
the
horizontal
stuff,
the
exception
being
the
clubhouse.
There's
a
gatehouse
that
existed.
We
were
rehabilitated
that
that's
the
north
side
of
the
project.
We
are
going
to
bid
on
the
clubhouse
by
June
1st,
that's
likely
a
couple
months
to
award
that
bid,
and
we
will
break
ground
shortly
thereafter.
We're
trying
to
coincide
the
start
of
that
construction
with
the
start
of
our
first
models
on
the
single-family
portion
of
the
and
that's
those.
So
we
will
build
the
community,
the
clubhouse.
M
The
models
are
being
built
by
a
home
builder
that
we've
sold
the
Lots
to,
and
that
is
likely
a
12-month
build
12
to
14
month,
build
depending
on
weather,
and
so
given
that
we're
just
starting
the
process
on
here
and
we've
yet
to
even
market
it.
I
suspect
that
the
clubhouse,
if
not
completed,
will
be
nearly
completed
by
the
time.
This
breaks
ground.
E
Yes,
I
would
I
heard
what
you
said
on
on
the
swimming
pool
concept,
I'm
always
pushing
for
more
pools
rather
than
less
pools,
because
that's
I
think
one
of
the
lures
of
the
desert
being
a
swimming
pool
as
it
as
a
place
to
hang
out
so
I
think
it
would
be
if
that,
if
that
is
the
way
it
ultimately
turns
out,
I
think
it
would
be
really
important
that
there
is
room
for
that
plunge
pool
in
it's
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
right
now.
It
sounds
under
pooled
if
I
can
make
up
an
expression.
E
The
the
other
question
that
I
had
I
was
trying
to
sort
of
get
a.
Can
you
give
me
like
if
I
lived
in
the
lower
left-hand
corner
of
this,
you
and
I
was
not
adjacent
to
the
to
the
main
walkway
down
the
middle?
How
would
I
what
would
be
my
options
for
walking
up
to
the
clubhouse?
Can
you
give
me
a
though,
like
tour.
M
Thank
you
so,
first
of
all
distance,
wise,
the
so
the
length
of
the
red
line
is
half
look
a
little
bit
less
than
half
a
mile
and
everything
else
is
shorter.
So,
let's
just
say
by
way
of
example,
you
lived
in
this
corner
here
there
is
a
internally
on
the
inside
of
this
loop,
there's
a
pedestrian
there's,
a
sidewalk
and,
frankly,
it's
amongst
the
only
sidewalks
in
the
entire
development
there.
The
way
this
was
originally
approved
and
built
there
are
no
sidewalks
in
the
single-family
areas.
M
Nonetheless,
we
made
that
accommodation
internally
here,
as
I
mentioned,
there's
a
8-foot
sidewalk
along
the
northern
edge
of
this,
so
this
resident,
if
they
wanted
to
get
up
here,
the
dog
parks
are
here.
This
is
the
clubhouse
just
in
general
they
would
walk
up
either
this
side
or
through
the
Paseo
up
to
the
eight
foot
wide
walkway
across
the
street
here
and
then
a
meet.
Then
access
sort
of
around
through
the
dog
parks
there's
a
there's,
a
trail
that
runs
from
this
point
to
this
corner
of
the
parking
lot
and
then
into
the
clubhouse.
E
M
So
the
guest
parking
happens
around
that
primarily
around
that
loop.
There
are
a
couple
of
guest
parking
spots
tucked
elsewhere
in
the
in
the
community,
but
our
three
implies
a
certain
and
given
this
number
of
units
implies
a
certain
number
of
guest
parking
spots
and
I
know
it's
difficult
to
read,
but
we're
actually
over
parked
here
significantly
and
from
a
guest
parking
perspective.
We
are
over
parked
by
a
factor
of
you
know:
one
mini
meaning,
one
more
parking
spot
than
required.
The.
N
And
so
the
guest
parking
are
assigned,
there
say
a
point
to
five
guest
parking
assigned
to
each
unit
that
has
less
than
three
bedrooms
and
then
point
five
guest
parking
for
the
units
are
larger
than
three
bedrooms
and
and
all
of
the
parking
space
are
within
150
feet,
walking
distance
to
the
front
door.
Okay,.
A
N
I
may
explain
a
little
bit
for
this
multifamily
site.
We
have
a
total
of
one
hundred
and
fifty
three
units
and
there
are
five
plant
types
just
to
address
these
hundred
and
fifty
three
units.
Okay
and
each
plant
type,
will
have
three
elevation
designs,
so
we
have
fifteen
different
elevation
designs,
four
hundred
and
fifty
three
units-
and
that's
just
for
this-
this
parcel
okay.
M
A
M
Which,
roughly
750
I
think
it's
752?
Technically
our
single
family,
the
balance
are
396
or
398.
Our
multifamily
broken
up
into
two
planning
areas.
This
planning
area
could
accommodate
up
to
166
but
as
as
planned
and
as
drawn
here,
we're
looking
at
153
units
and
then,
as
Colin
suggested
they're,
basically
15
variations.
When
you
combine
floor
plans
and
elevations
that
we're
looking
at
so
roughly
the
same
unit
would
appear
10
times
the
mix
is
different,
so
it
may.
A
A
So
Brad
could
I
have
Colin
better.
So
this
this
idea
of
the
Paseo
that's
running
up
and
down
what
I
see
is
that
you
have
the
on
one
side.
You
have
the
one-story
duplex
unit
and
then
on
the
other
side
you
have
the
two-story
single
front.
Sorry
stand
alone.
Yeah
was
that
on
purpose,
why
one
story
on
one
side
and
then
two
story
on
the
other
I
think
along
the
way.
A
What
my
question
is:
I
I
almost
understand
this
logic
that
where
the
car
is
going
is
where
you
have
the
two
storey
buildings,
but
where
the
people
are
going,
you
almost
have
a
combination
of
one-story
and
two-story.
So
I
want
to
ask
you
sort
of
like
what
what
is
the
sort
of
the
the
tunnel
concept
that
you
are
trying
to
create
here?
Okay,.
N
It
all
comes
down
to
fitting
these
units
onto
the
site
and
we're
trying
to
make
it
as
efficient
as
possible,
while
achieving
that
the
overall
that
the
require
common,
open
space
with
I
said
and
also
Fire
Department.
We
spoke
to
ron
beverly
and
he
gave
us
a
lot
of
feedbacks
about
that.
The
turn
on
that
backing
up
this
is
that
drives
a
very
rigid,
almost
fairy
army
bunker
like
design,
and
by
doing
so
then
we
we
have
this
comment
paseo
here
we're
on
one
site.
N
These
are
all,
were
the
duplexes
are
low
here
and
then
it's
on
on
this
site.
It's
the
single,
the
two-story
units,
and
then
we
run
over
on
the
right
side
of
the
common
paseo.
We
actually
have
more
depth
so
that
the
duplex
are
in
the
middle
and
then
flanked
by
two-story
units
on
either
side.
That's
just
a
way
that
this
plant
plant
happened
to
to
fall
this
it
just
so
happened
it
that's
the
way.
N
It's
it's
it's
being
laid
out,
but
I
think
see
to
collaborative
did
a
very
good
job
of
balancing
the
single
story
and
a
true
story
along
this
Paseo,
where
you
have
to
the
single
story:
unis,
they
place
a
tall
palm
trees
there
and
then,
when
you
have
a
two-story
unit,
there's
actually
a
smaller
lower
tree.
As
indicated
by
that
the
renderings
here
you.
A
N
We
think
that
the
Paseo
could
be
a
very
good
amenity
for
IVA
for
two-story
units
looking
down
and
these
two
story
that
we're
proposing
are
they're
not
like
a
two-story
box.
It's
really
partially.
The
second
floor
is
very
limited
on
the
second
floor,
so
you
do
get
a
Pape
story
and
a
half
a
partial
two-story
read
along
that
on
the
Paseo.
So
it's
not
like
a
like
a
true
story:
wall
right.
A
N
J
J
A
N
A
N
A
N
But
what
that
does
is
on
either
side
of
the
paseo
are
all
plants,
1,
&,
2,
they're,
all
single-story
units.
We
think
that
right
now,
yeah
either
side
the
paseo.
You
have
plants,
1,
&,
2
on
the
left
plants,
3
or
4
on
the
right.
You
have
total.
You
have
4
different
plans:
3
elevations
each.
You
have
12
elevation
variations
to
address
this,
this
length,
a
long
pedestrian
paseo
all
with
front
door
architecture
facing
it.
M
A
N
A
There
you
go
okay,
so
tell
me
about
your
your
location
of
your
control,
join
or
expansion.
Joints
I
mean.
E
N
That's
so
for
any
stucco
building
nowadays
being
constructed
that
the
expansion
joints
aren't
there
and
rather
than
having
some
randomly
placed
stucco
joints,
we
are
proposing
at,
for
example,
on
plan
1c
at
the
centerline
of
this,
the
garage
door,
opening
we're
proposing
a
a
vertical
expansion
joists
and
then
because
of
the
sheer
the
width
and
the
dimension
of
this,
the
wall
above
the
garage
door.
We
need
another
horizontal
expansion
joint.
So
these
these
expansion
joints
our
place
strategically
while
meeting
code
and
also
as
for
aesthetic
reasons.
A
A
The
the
other
observation
I
have
is
that
the
the
this
particular
design,
because
is
it
duplex
and
because
of
where
is
located
the
variation
from
the
on
the
left
side
and
the
variation
on
the
right
mm-hmm.
It's
not
significant
enough
to
make.
It
seem
like
it's
a
complete
different
building,
so
why
not
replicate
both
sides
to
be
the
same,
so
it
has
more
of
a
stronger
presence
of
a
symmetrical
design.
What.
N
A
N
N
This
is
the
road
of
that
the
duplex,
the
single-story
duplexes,
that
were
your
it's
in
question,
I
think
that
one
would
not
be
it's
wouldn't
the
intent
is
not
to
make
these
duplexes
identical
and
building
massing.
In
fact,
there
are
subtle
variations
among
the
between
the
a
B
and
C
elevation
for
the
same
plan
that
there's
some.
There
are
also
variations
within
that
we're
trying
to
to
avoid
the
same
look
from
the
outside
for
the
same
plan.
A
H
H
That
would
be
my
comment
that
I
think
and
when
I
say,
mixing
up
the
materials.
Well,
not
just
the
colors
and
the
the
depth.
I
think
actually
looks
pretty
good
on
on
most
of
what
I'm
seeing
here,
I
think
it's
it's
where
I
see
some
actual
alternate
Martir
and
materials
like
concrete
panels,
and
things
like
that
I
see
block
called
out.
H
However,
I
don't
see
that
much
on
the
elevations,
but
I
think
it
would
be
nice
too,
if
you
guys
were
open
to
spreading
out
those
materials
a
bit
more
and
some
of
the
other,
like
the
duplexes
that
you
pointed
out
that
I
mentioned
look
a
bit
bland
I!
Think
that's
where
you're
starting
we're
going
pretty
well
with
that
I.
H
D
D
D
Hope,
there's
you
know
you
I,
like
that.
You've
stepped
up
towards
some
of
the
shade
structures
and
things
I
hope
that
process
is
kept
as
things
progress.
Some
of
that
distances
walking
between
things.
It
looks
like
you're
you're
trying
to
achieve
social
spaces
with
the
parks
and
things
I
hope
there's
along
the
way.
Some
small
gathering.
C
Yeah
a
number
of
things.
First
of
all,
the
shade
structures
that
the
city
that
the
counts
or
the
Planning
Commission
asked
for
it
seems
to
me
that
you're
straight
shade
structures
are
basically
just
something
you
walk
under
to
get
into
the
Paseo
I.
Think
a
shade
structure
should
be
a
structure,
that's
pulled
away
from
the
circulation
so
that
people
can
sit
under
it
and
gather
and
have
a
social
interaction
instead
of
just
kind
of
defining.
This
is
the
front
gate
and
the
entry
to
the
Paseo.
C
My
biggest
challenge
is
that
everything
is
so
linear.
Here
we
have
an
entire
north,
the
South
row
of
two-story
houses,
another
of
North
to
South
row
of
two
houses,
another
nurse,
the
South
row
of
two
houses
and
then
north
to
south
row
of
one-story
houses.
It
seems
like
it
would
be
much
more
appealing
if
the
one
stories
and
to
store
were
mixed
together
in
those
long
rows
going
north
to
south.
C
I
cannot
totally
understand
the
general
concept
of
it's
the
spine
of
the
community,
but
to
me
what
it
does
is
it
really
makes
all
the
access
through
that
commit
the
community
totally
blocked
off
all
of
these
streets
that
dead
end
at
the
Paseo
will
function
very
difficult
Lee,
because
if
I'm
a
trash,
collector
I
have
to
come
up
this
street
and
then
back
my
truck
back
down
the
street
with
a
almost
a
blind
corner
backing
into
the
loop
road.
It
seems
like
that
access
is
just
a
recipe
for
the
disaster.
C
Also
I
live
in
a
community
like
this
and
there's
a
lot
of
weekenders.
If
trash
pickup
day
is
a
Tuesday
they'll
put
their
bins
out
on
the
street
on
Sunday
night,
the
trash
is
picked
up,
Tuesday
and
the
bins
probably
won't
go
back
into
their
yard
until
they
get
home.
On
Friday,
so
I
think
the
concept
of
individual
bins
when
the
site
is
so
tight
again
is
going
to
make
an
unsightly
collection
of
bins
some
in
some
out,
but
I
really
worry
more
about
this.
C
The
access
of
these
trucks
not
being
able
to
have
a
through
Street
to
move
through
the
project,
I
understand
the
concept
of
the
Swim
Center
at
the
at
the
what
you're,
calling
the
amenity,
Center
I
just
think
people
here
are
so
used
to
having
the
opportunity
to
have
their
own
pool.
Certainly,
some
of
the
houses
on
the
bottom
and
the
edges
do
have
bigger
yards
where
they
could
have
small
water
feature,
but
I
think
most
of
them
a
six
foot
by
six
foot.
C
Jacuzzi
is
probably
all
you
can
get
in
those
spaces,
so
I
just
think
it's
too
linear.
If
you
look
along
the
Paseo
that
row,
a
palm
trees
is
so
unappealing
to
me.
It's
just
this
solid
long
length
with
nothing
and
of
connecting
the
two
sides.
So
I
just
think
it's
it's
way
too
rigid
and
obviously
the
rigidity.
I
Agree,
that's
gonna
be
a
whole
lot
of
backup
beeping
through
that
entire
complex
okay.
So
from
an
overall
planning
perspective,
one
of
the
things
I
would
really
like
to
see
is.
It
is
a
closer
connection
between
this,
the
Paseo
and
the
clubhouse
it
sort
of
feels
like
it
was
an
afterthought
in
terms
of
sort
of
coming
at
the
end
of
the
Paseo.
I
Then
you
have
to
walk
down
the
street
and
then
sort
of
turn
around
so
I
would
look
at
maybe
scooting
down
the
the
single
families
and
having
5:47
become
more
of
a
formal
link
between
the
complex
and
and
the
end,
the
clubhouse
area.
So
it
feels
more
sort
of
integrated.
With
that
Maria's
comment
on
the
two-story
on
the
Paseo
I
was
looking
at
the
the
section
and
the
plans
and
actually
from
the
den
of
the
two-story,
you
can
look
directly
into
the
mass
into
the
master,
bedroom
or
bedroom.
I
The
other
thing
I
was
concerned
about
was
the
two-story
on
the
west
of
the
Paseo
will
will
potentially
block
the
view
of
the
mountain,
which
is
one
of
our
best
amenities
here.
So
thinking
about
how
that
impacts,
the
Paseo
I
think
is
important
and
then
finally
I
think,
as
you
mentioned,
trash
and
closers,
so
I'm
as
I'm.
Looking
on
the
plan,
I
don't
really
see
anywhere
for
trash
enclosures
to
go.
I
E
And
to
not
have
to
rely
on
putting
them
in
your
garage,
because
those
are
big
bins
and
the
garages
are
probably
whatever
size
and
get
in
there
and
the
bins
will
take
up
one
car
space,
no
matter
how
you
slice,
it
all
excellent
comments.
I
found
myself
looking
at
the
properties
on
the
lower
left
and
lower
right
corners
and
thinking.
That's
the
only
units
that
I
would
want
to
live
in
and
all
of
my
fellow
committee
members
have
just
given
you
all
the
exact
reasons
why
I
would
want
something
that
had
a
little
variation.
E
E
Absolutely
love
that
we
have
these
giant
groves
and,
of
course,
living
along
the
Grove
facing
west
towards
the
mountain
would
be
pretty
magical
and
I.
Find
myself
wondering
I,
don't
know
what
your
constraints
are
on
the
amount
of
space
that
this
has
to
fit
into,
but
is
there
a
way
to
provide
some
variation
in
the
shape
of
the
the
you
that
we're
looking
at
so
that
some
of
the
units
push
out
into
the
Grove
a
little
bit
almost
forming
a
zigzag
of
units
and
down
this
down
the
sides?
E
A
I
think
it's
a
gorgeous
project,
I!
Think
there's
just
so
many
wonderful
things
going
on,
and
this
is
really
the
first
housing
block
that
is
coming
together
and
I.
Think
that
the
variation
to
be
so
repetitive
and
orthogonal
may
work,
but
there's
not
enough
details
also
to
make
it
work.
So,
for
example,
you
have
pavers
on
crosswalks,
but
you
don't
have
pavers
on
the
motor
court
and
details
like
that
is
going
to
I.
B
A
A
So
comments
on
the
architecture,
I
believe
is
just
as
important,
and
having
said
that
is,
is
that
I
understand
the
issue
about
the
control
joint
and
the
requirements
for
cracking,
but
I
think
it
could
also
be
looked
at
again,
because
some
of
the
placements
are
not
her.
Where
that
these,
where,
where
that
composition
is
lending
itself
sometimes
is
in
the
middle,
sometimes
is
on
the
side.
Sometimes
it's
just
horizontal.
It's
just
a
little
bit
everywhere.
May.
C
C
C
The
approach
to
the
front
door
on
a
lot
of
these
seems
kind
of
invisible
and
I.
Think
it's
nicer
when
you
know
when
you're
standing
in
the
street,
that's
where
I
need
to
go
to
get
into
this
unit,
certainly
along
most
of
these
streets.
It's
a
challenge
that
we
have
on
a
letter
on
many
of
these
tightly
built
projects,
there's
a
larger
percentage
of
garage-door.
Then
there
is
a
percentage
of
building
and
it
gets
to
be
very.
It
takes
away
the
opportunity
to
make
the
streetscape
attractive
and
I.
C
H
H
That
might
be
helpful,
including
with
materials
of
the
hardscape,
and
not
to
have
gray
concrete
or
all
gray
concrete
and
maybe
mixing
up
the
materials
of
the
hardscape
with
pavers
exposed
aggregate
just
alternate
materials
that
really
blend
in
with
that
landscape
and
really
invite
that
grove
area
into
you
know
to
intermingle.
Interspersed
between
the
architecture
would
seem
like
that.
That
may
help.
D
E
D
A
I
think
you
know
the
idea
of
the
of
having
each
home
of
the
opportunity
of
the
pool
I'm,
not
so
sure
on
on
that
concept,
because
of
how
much
they
are
investing
in
this
community.
Spa
slash,
restaurant,
slash,
yoga
class
I
mean
this
place,
sounds
tremendous,
you
know,
and
so
all
the
development
that
is
all
the
housing
development
that
that
is
to
create
the
audience
and
the
population
to
make
sure
that
that
community
building
gets
attended
and
used
and
and
so
I
see
that
concept,
and
it
would
be
interesting.
A
Try
that
concept
and
then
see
how
that
plays
out
here
in
Palm,
Springs,
so
I'm,
not
so
much
an
agreement
of
trying
to
now
try
to
squeeze
in
because
you're
right,
the
motors,
the
enclosure,
the
fencing
you
know,
all
of
that
is
gonna,
come
and
play,
and
it's
gonna
start
eating
away
the
spaces
that
has
been
created
here
so
I
think
we
have
said
quite
a
bit
of
what
our
observations
are.
I
think,
overall,
we
feel
like
there's
just
this
is
an
amazing
project
and
I
think
it
has
quite
a
bit
of
molding.
A
That
needs
to
be
done
so
that
it
flows
a
little
bit
better
and
not
so
forced
and
I.
Think
all
those
comments
are
based
on
how
human
you
know
walk
from
one
place
to
another.
How
do
they
drive?
And
you
know
this
idea
that
if
you,
if
you
look
at
some
straight
Street,
all
you're
gonna,
do
is
speed
up.
So
what
are
the
things
that
are
going
to
be
traffic
calming
and
composition
to
the
street?
So
is
there
I
believe
that
the
applicant
needs
to
come
back
with
a
revised
concept?
B
Chair
if
I
can
just
briefly
interject
here,
there
were
a
couple
of
comments
made
relative
to
pushing
out
into
the
grove
and
reconfiguring
the
access
to
the
community
center
I
just
want
you
all
to
be
aware
that
number
one
the
map
has
already
been
recorded
for
this
vision,
and
so
they
don't
have
the
ability
to
move
Lots.
Unfortunately,
so
they
must
work
within
the
existing
framework
that
they
have
also
looking
at
the
Groves.
They
have
a
property
line
there.
They
are
required
to
adhere
to
the
r3
standards
in
terms
of
setbacks.
B
Now
we've
tried
to
interpret
that
as
flexibly
as
we
can,
but
there's
a
limitation
in
terms
of
how
much
that
they
can
push
out
to
the
Groves.
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
of
those
facts
as
you're
formulating
your
recommendations
to
the
applicant
on
those
particular
issues.
One
thing
that
I
don't
typically
do
is
is
try
and
direct
your
your
comments,
but
I
will
say
one
thing
about
the
swimming
pool
and
the
community
center.
B
We
would
really
like
to
encourage
the
residents
from
this
multifamily
development
to
walk
to
or
bicycle
to
the
clubhouse
and
use
those
facilities
so
I'm
a
little
bit
less
concerned
with
having
a
community
pool
within
this
multifamily
development-
or
you
know,
having
the
individual
plunge,
pools
I
think
is
acceptable.
But
we
do
want
to
encourage
residents
of
this.
B
This
overall
master
plan
community
to
get
out
and
use
the
sidewalks
in
the
paths
and
the
bicycle
lanes,
and
things
like
that
and
to
use
the
clubhouse
facilities
so
I'll
leave
that
editorial
comment
to
the
side,
but
again
on
the
issues
of
the
subdivision.
We're
kind
of
constrained
within
the
boundaries
that
we
have
within
the
recorded
map
in.
A
B
B
A
A
H
E
E
E
B
What
we
might
do
is
because
this
has
been
brought
up
a
couple
of
times
is
to
modify
or
design
guidelines
that
we
make
available
to
applicants.
We
don't
talk
about
that
in
our
design,
guidelines
currently
and
I
think
we
need
probably
need
to
add
that
there
so
that
they
understand
that
they
need
to
consider
that
as
they're
doing
the
placement
and
selection
of
materials,
okay,.
A
Yeah,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
the
because
they
they're
they
partial
eyes
the
plan
to
make
it
simple.
But
then
what
happens
is
we
can't
see
the
context
so
I
know
we're
supposed
to
drive
by
and
look
at
it
and
so
on
and
Google,
Earth
and
stuff,
but
it's
sometimes
it
makes
it
hard
when
it
is
partial
iced
and
is
it
really
a
street
or
is
it
a
driveway
or
is
there
it
an
alleyway.
A
Okay
and
then
I
wanted
to
I,
think
I,
know
the
answer,
but
when
the
applicant
say
that
they
haven't
had
the
chance
to
look
at
the
staff
report
when
the
when
the
agenda
goes
out
to
all
of
us,
including
the
posting
of
the
agenda,
that
means
that
the
applicant
could
very
well
go
into
the
website
and
check
out
what
the
staff
report
is.
The.
B
Applicants
receive
a
link
to
the
agenda
and
the
staff
report,
so
they
have
it
available.
I
will
have
my
staff
follow
up
so
that
the
applicant
realizes
they
need
to
review
that
before
they
come
to
the
meeting,
because,
as
you've
heard
today,
it
sounds
like
some
of
them
have
not
done
that.
You
know
most
of
our
more
experienced
applicants
will
do
that,
but
some
of
our
landscape
companies,
unfortunately,
as
you've
seen
here
today,
are
not
familiar
with
the
entitlement
process
or
the
fact
that
staff
reports
are
generated
with
conditions
of
approval.
A
B
B
Rothman
saying
that
he
wouldn't
be
able
to
attend,
and
Steve
was
able
to
turn
around
in
a
matter
of
minutes
and
say
yes,
I
can't
be
here
on
Monday
afternoon
after
I
emailed
him
this
morning,
so
I
do
appreciate
you
being
available,
but
again,
that's
not
always
possible.
So
if
you
can
just
give
us
as
much
notice
as
possible
when
you
can't
be
here
at
one
of
the
meetings
so
that
way
we
give
Sheila
and
Steve
some
time
to
be
able
to
work
it
into
their
schedule.