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From YouTube: Measure J Commission Special Meeting | Oct 20 2021
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City of Palm Springs Measure J Commission Special Meeting, held October 20th, 2021
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Yes,
please:
okay,
your
three
minutes
begin.
Okay,
thank
you,
hi
everyone.
My
name
is
ellen
goodman
and
I'm
a
resident
of
springs
and
the
parks
and
recs
commissioner-
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity,
and
I
wanted
to
clarify
a
few
things.
You
received
a
email
communication
and
a
schematic.
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The
parts
rex
dog
park
subcommittee
has
been
working
with
local
volunteers
who
are
patrons
of
the
city
hall
dog
park,
and
the
volunteer
group
has
been
making
outreach
appeals
to
city
council
and
city
managers,
city,
the
city
manager
and
staff
about
the
city
hall
dog
park
and
a
redesign
so
that
it
is
more
sustainable
and
it
is
safe.
We
are
not
sending
it
to
measure
j
thinking,
it
would
be
a
community
project,
it
would
overwhelm
that
budget.
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The
other
project
inside
of
that
communication
is
an
immediate
and
a
quick
ground
coverage
for
the
du
mouth
dog
park.
That
will
alleviate
the
overuse
and
the
pressures
of
the
city
hall
dog
park,
which
is
where
these
problems
are
rising
at
city
hall
and
once
that
is
done
at
the
du
mouth
dog
park,
then
we'll
start
to
see
some
corrections
at
city
hall.
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Have
any
okay,
and
now
it
is
the
comments
from
the
measure
j
chair.
That's
me,
so
I
I
we
are
very
happy
to
have
council
member
coors
here
joining
us,
and
I
had
also
spoken
to
the
mayor,
who
has
a
prior
engagement,
and
I
wanted
to
take
a
few
moments
to
express
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
a
commission
as
a
commission
have
expressed
in
our
meetings,
but
I
don't
think
we've
actually
spoken
to
any
council
person
directly
or
city
council
directly.
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F
Much
just
quickly
city
manager
had
to
be
at
the
airport
commission
for
10
to
15
minutes
and
then
we'll
be
joining.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
do
some
business
and
come
back
to
this
when
he's
on
or
not.
That's
your
your
call
just
to
let
you
know
that
he
texted
me
at
5
30
that
they're
going
to
put
him
on
first
on
that
commission.
So
he
can
come
over
here.
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H
So
that
goes
back
to
the
council
action
when
we
were
presenting
the
measure
g
budget,
where
all
projects
were
removed
and
to
be
brought
at
a
later
date
to
council,
together
with
measure
j.
So
that's
that's.
What
happened
with
that?
The
budget
was
basically
cleared
out,
so
they
still
exist
right.
We
just
ultimately
will
have
to
go
back
to
council
to
get
them
all
approved
again.
H
Right,
I
thought
what
I
remember
from
that
particular
council
meter.
We
were
going
to
bring
it
back
at
once
to
present
to
measure
james
those
projects,
maybe
others
that
have
come
along.
I
it
was
certain.
It
was
clear
that
we
could
bring
projects
individually
back
to
council
through
measure
j.
If
say,
there
was
one
particular
project
they
needed
to
start
now.
We
could
bring
it
back
through
measure
date
and
then
get
it
approved
for
council,
but
collectively
they
were
all
removed
for
from
the
that
particular
budget
approval.
H
I
was
trying
to
look
at
the
the
I
was
making
a
statement
without
really
looking
at
the
actual
project,
so
the
shade
structure
project-
let
me
just
go
back
through
them
structure
project-
was
constructed
already.
That
was,
we
already
finished
that
project
the
playground
surfacing
project
actually
is
ongoing
right
now.
So
to
since
commissioner
ghazan's
question
of
the
dashed
lines,
I'm
not
certain!
Why
that
that
projective
budgeting
21
22
is
blanked
out,
but
the
playground
service
team
project
is
going
on
right
now.
The
sunrise
park
is
already
constructed.
H
Yeah
the
youth
park,
restrooms
upgrade,
is
actually
awarded
and
ready
to
move
forward.
So
I
misspoke
earlier
because
I
did
a
quick
glance
over.
That's
what
so
to
your
question
those
blanks
I'm
not
certain.
Why
they're
on
the
projected
budget,
maybe
because
they
were
already
allocated
in
fiscal
year,
2021
that
prior
year
yeah
sorry,
I
I
misspoke
really
quickly
so
no
worries.
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A
So
now
that
we
have
welcome
justin,
we
have
the
city
manager.
Thank
you
for
coming,
and
I
did
want
to
mention
I'm
going
back
to
my
board
chair
comments.
We
skipped
over
that.
We
moved
that
in
the
agenda.
So
first
of
all,
tomorrow
is
the
downtown
park.
Opening
at
5,
30
and
all
measure
j
commissioners
have
been
asked
to
attend
and
I
will
give
a
couple
minutes
speaking
at
it.
So
if
you
can
make
it
it
is
at
5
30
and
there
is
councilman
core's
favorite
band
there.
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I
believe
that
our
last
joint
meeting
was
in
may
of
2019
and
I'm
not
sure
that
we've
actually
met
with
any
city
council
person.
Since
then,
I
could
be
wrong
on
that
and
obviously
the
one
in
may
of
2020
was
was
cancelled
with
do
the
pandemic
and
then
the
one
in
may
of
21
didn't
happen.
We
thought
it
would
happen
in
september
and
then
I
think
it's
been
postponed
till
after
the
city
council
visioning
session.
A
A
So
the
concern
that
we
had
is
that
you
know
we're
an
oversight
commission
and
that's
how
we
treat
that's,
how
we
think
of
it
and
we,
I
think
everybody
here,
takes
it
very
seriously
and
we
were
sort
of
removed
from
the
whole
conversation
for
for
quite
some
time.
And
if
you
look
at
the
budget
now
we
have
23
million
dollars
and
and
for
for
the
21
22,
and
we
really
have
no
projects
new
of
projects.
A
We
have
a
whole
list
of
things
to
do
that
have
been
approved
yet
and
we
realized
there's
a
visioning
meeting
and
we
did
submit
our
comments,
which
are
basically
that
you
know
here's
our
priorities,
but
largely
reiterating
that
we
wanted
to
meet
with
city
council
and-
and
you
know,
there's
there's.
I
think
I
think
we're
a
talented
group
and
there's
a
lot
of
expertise
here
and-
and
I
think
commissioner
marshall
was
on
the
original
measure
j.
A
So
we've
had
other
issues
just
in
terms
of
communication
with
the
public
which
we
are
starting,
which
has
been
improving
significantly
lately,
and
part
of
that
is
that
we
feel
it's
important
to
let
the
public
know
what
projects
are
happening.
Obviously
measure
the
downtown
park
is
a
great
one,
but,
as
joelle
just
said,
there's
been
a
number
of
projects
that
were
done,
that
we
really
haven't
communicated
that
well
to
the
community
and
it's
important
for
them.
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A
They
have
the
dumouth
dog
park,
I
mean
they
have
the
dog
park
or
or
james
or
jesse
park.
So
we
have
discussed.
You
know
the
city
engineers
presented
a
a
five-year
working
plan,
which
is
a
great,
which
is
a
great
format
so
that
you
know
we
don't
want
to
overburden
city
council.
But
if
we
get
direction
and
approval
and
understand
your
policies,
then
I
think
we
can
act
accordingly
and
be
able
to
present
it
a
lot
more
efficiently.
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C
Yeah,
thank
you
I
I
would.
I
would
simply
add
that
my
perspective
among
the
commission,
members
is
for
our
body.
We
approach
this
with
urgency
and
there
seems
to
be
over
the
many
many
months
silence
or
a
lack
of
urgency
from
from
the
direction
of
city
council,
and
that
makes
this
conversation
all
the
more
pressing,
because
we've
been
in
a
hurry
for
certainly
a
couple
of
years,
if
not
longer,
with
prior
bodies
for
the
commission
prior
constituents.
I
So
you
know
the
community
initiated
project
application
form
is
kind
of
a
real
reflection
of
us
wanting
to
make
moves
on
being
able
to
on
the
funds
that
we
do
have
direct
authority
over
the
million
dollars
per
year
and
getting
community
input
and
creating
a
process
here
on
the
commission
so
that
we
can
move
forward.
But
that
is
just
a
tiny,
tiny
sliver
of
what
the
full
oversight
budget.
That
is,
that
we're
we're
required
to
look
over.
I
So
I
don't
want
to
kind
of
discount
the
progress
that
has
been
made
but
recognize
that
it's
just
one
piece
and
that
there's
the
full
measure
j
budget,
which,
like
my
fellow
commissioners,
have
mentioned,
often
feels
like
we
make
recommendations.
Or
you
know
things
stall,
and
you
know-
and
I
recognize
the
pandemic
has
really
changed
a
lot
of
things.
But
you
know
also
respecting
past
times.
Sometimes
we're
hearing
the
same
update
on
the
project
that
you
know,
we've
already
said.
G
Commission,
christine
ammond
when
she
was
on
measure
j
talking
about
wanted
to
know
what
we
think
are
needs,
etc,
and
we
brought
up
several
things
to
her.
Then
we
had
a
member
of
the
commission
come
and
speak
to
the
measure,
j
commission
and
we
came,
and
we
asked
for
437
thousand
dollars
to
build
a
at
the
sunrise
park.
G
We
asked
for
special
the
the
new
playground.
Recreation
playground,
have
new
pieces
that
are
being
done
for
children
with
special
needs
as
well
to
cover
the
whole
public
and
it
went
through
very
quickly
and
it
went
from
that
went
to
measure
j.
They
recommended
it
to
consul.
The
whole
thing
was
done
within
six
months
today.
I
find
that
things
just
take
much
much
longer
and
just
we
sort
of
wait
to
wait
for
an
answer
and
we
don't
seem
to
get
an
answer.
G
It's
not
that
we're
not
trying
to
communicate
and
we're
not
saying
that
the
council
isn't
trying.
It's
just
has
been.
It's
just
been
locked
down
in
ways
that
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
anymore
and
I'd
just
like
to
see
the
communication
grow
better
again
and
have
the
joint
meeting.
So
we
we
feel
that
when
we
recommend
things
when
we
do
things,
we
really
have
a
real,
strong
purpose.
A
F
You
know
one
of
the
first,
the
first
things
we
spent
it
on
was
those
projects
that
were
on
hold
tied
to
the
parks,
which
is
why
those
are
moving
forward,
because
those,
I
think,
are
a
priority
for
all
of
us.
I
ask
that
those
come
forward
and
everyone
on
council
wanted
those
to
come
forward.
I
think
the
real
question
is
how
we
best
right
move.
F
What
we
do
moving
forward
on
this-
and
you
know
we
used
to
have
a
liaison
to
each
commission,
which
I
thought
which
I
was
on
measure
j,
I
think
back
with
chris
mills
and
then
I
think
it
was
someone
else
which
worked
well,
but
I
do
think
you
know
whether
it's
me
or
someone
else
on
council
coming
every
quarter.
I
do
that
with
parks
and
rec
and
just
have
a
discussion
with
the
chair
every
month
and
then
I
can
share
at
council
what
I
hear.
F
So
that
communication
is
going
back
and
forth
between
the
different
bodies
in
some
way,
I
think
that's
something
we
can
improve,
and
I
know
just
now.
I've
talked
about
some
ways
to
improve
that
and
here's
some
ideas
on
that
as
well,
and
I
think
we
talked
about
strategic
planning.
You
know
boards
and
commissions
in
general.
F
You
know
how
how
they
operate
and
how
they
operate
within
the
city
and
with
city
council
is
on
the
agenda.
So
having
this
conversation
first
and
hearing
from
you
directly
before
that
meeting
is
very
helpful
for
me,
but
I
am,
I
will
make
myself
available.
You
know
to
talk
once
a
month
if
that
help
helpful
for
the
chair
and
vice
chair
as
they're
doing
parks
and
rec
just
to
check
in.
F
J
J
I
had
a
conversation
actually
just
a
few
hours
ago
with
the
chair
of
the
parks
and
rec
commission,
and
it
was
really
an
almost
identical
conversation
for
what
it's
worth
and
I'll
get
into
kind
of,
maybe
what
things
might
have
looked
like
before
and
what
they
look
like
today
in
a
second
but
from
my
vantage
point,
having
done
this
in
four
communities
and
three
states
over
about
15
years.
This.
This
thing
that
we
do
at
the
local
government
level
is
really
so
participative.
J
There
are
so
many
people
that
that
kind
of
have
a
role
to
play.
I
I've
I've
never
been
anywhere
where
at
some
point,
every
person
in
that
playing
a
role
doesn't
kind
of
have
this
sense
right
and
it's
especially
true
among
both
staff
and
stakeholders
that
have
what
I
would
call
depth
of
perspective
right.
So
you
guys
are
immersed
in
the
measure
j
funding
the
projects
for
measure
j.
You
know
when
I
was
talking
to
parks
and
rec.
J
Commissioner,
it
was
different,
it
was
parks,
you
know,
there's
some
overlap
there,
but
but
his
whole
thing
was
the
parks
and
when
I
talked
to
sustainability,
commission,
of
course
it's
all
sustainability-
and
you
know
you're
immersed
in
that
world
when,
when
it
does
come
kind
of
to
my
desk
or
council
desk,
it
tends
to
be
breadth
and
not
death.
It's
it's
a
little
bit
about
like
how
do
we
balance
homelessness
sustainability?
J
You
know
all
the
things
across
the
board
and
and
there's
always
a
little
bit
of
healthy,
friction
there
right
that
that
is
hard
to
kind
of
fulfill.
What
the
specialists
see
with
depth
when
you're
operating
at
that
level
of
breadth
and
trying
to
get
things
done
across
the
board.
I
would
echo
the
sentiment
that
it's
not
at
all
meant
to
be
defensive,
but
the
transitions
are
also
significant.
You
know
for
me,
I'm
six
months
in
time
does
kind
of
fly
and
sometimes
time
also
there's
like
a
different
perspective
right.
J
It
was
a
fiscal
year
budget
document
for
a
fiscal
year
that
started
three
three
to
four
months
ago,
which
is
still
significant,
but
in
in
terms
of
the
context
of
accomplishing
capital
projects,
especially
in
the
transition
we're
in
not
quite
as
long
again.
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
for
you
guys
it's
it's
much
older
because
you
started
it.
You
know
longer
ago
so
jeff
mentioned
councilmember
coors
mentioned.
J
J
You
know
I
I
go
to
council
with
a
document
that
looks
about
like
this.
I
know
you
can't
see
that
very
well,
but
it's
it's
our
list
of
agenda
items
and
we've
we've
had
a
back
page
of
unprogrammed
items
that
almost
nothing's
moved
from
the
back
to
the
front
in
six
months
and
and
yet
you
know
the
very
earliest
we
get
done
with
the
council
meeting.
The
very
earliest
is
10.
30.
we've
been
past
midnight.
More
often
than
we've
gotten
out
at
10
30.
J
And
even
some
of
our
council
members
frankly
are
exhausted.
Some
have
the
luxury
really
to
be
more
present
more
often
and
some
are
trying
to
be,
you
know:
full-time
employees,
full-time
moms,
full-time
dedicated
to
other
things,
while
they're
doing
this,
and
I
sympathize
with
how
difficult
that
is
for
people
that
also
want
to
be
connected,
but
you
know
we're
taking
all
their
time
for
the
council
meetings
and
sometimes
extra
meetings
and
again
none
of
that's
meant
to
be
defensive.
J
What
it
really
means
is
just
that,
there's
so
much
going
on
and
that
there's
so
many
component
pieces,
so
the
people
really
immersed
in
one
component
piece
almost
always,
I
think,
feel
like
it's
not
fast
enough
and
it's
not
there's
not
enough
of
that
kind
of
connection
or
recognition
of.
What's
going
on.
On
top
of
that,
we
are
really
trying
to
evaluate
you
know.
I
would
like
to
be
as
focused
and
strategic
as
we
can.
J
It
might
be
that
a
couple
of
years
ago,
on
a
parks
and
rec
commission
somebody
recommended
a
project
and
it
moved
forward
and-
and
I
think
sometimes
things
for
a
variety
of
reasons-
just
get
momentum
and
happen.
But
when
I
go
back
and
look
at
a
strategic
plan
from
2017
that
talked
about
homelessness,
and
if
I
ask
people,
are
we
better
off
or
worse
off
today,
you
know
it.
It
demonstrates
on
one
hand
we're
making
a
lot
of
progress.
J
You
know
and
get
a
martha's
on
board
for
homelessness,
and
you
know
across
the
board
there's
that
kind
of
effort
going
on,
and
so
we
did
talk
about
early
on.
Let's
have
a
strategic
visioning
process
to
make
sure
that
there's
alignment
more
generally
between
the
things
that
you
know
that
this
committee
came
up
with
that
are
good
and
valuable,
and
those
macro
level
goals
that
reflect
values
and
principles.
J
J
They
they're
they're
preoccupied
right
now,
and
so
one
of
the
other
things
we
should
talk
about
as
we
solidify
this
list
is
really
what
is
our
capacity
to
oversee
projects
simultaneously
and
do
we
need
to
step
up
and
not
to
make
this
sound
like
a
baluge
of
what
makes
it
complicated.
But
at
some
point
we
even
talk
about
okay.
If
we
needed
to
hire
a
couple
engineers,
where
do
they
go
right,
where's
the
where's
their
office
space?
How
does
that
impact
the
organizational
chart?
So
there's
just
I'm
really
not
trying
to
make
it
sound
like?
J
Sometimes
when
something
got
done
quickly.
I
assure
you
every
year
going
back
a
long
long
time
something
else
didn't
get
done
and
somewhere
there
was
a
stakeholder
involved
in
that
something.
That
said,
well,
wait:
how
did
the
project
in
the
park
get
done
when
I've
been
waiting
for
this
other
thing
for
a
long
time,
and
some
of
that
is
the
nature
of
democracy
and
the
kind
of
healthy
dynamic
that
we
see
with
a
lot
of
engaged
people
that
all
have
enthusiasm
and
empowerment
and
engagement,
and
all
these
great
things
to
do
good
work.
J
J
While
we
also
still
make
progress-
and
we
are
right-
the
the
shade
structure,
the
resurfacing,
the
restrooms-
that
we've
been
waiting
a
long
time
for
those
are
all
things
to
celebrate,
because
they
are
moving
the
opening
of
the
downtown
park
really
just
in
a
couple
months.
We've
got
great
things
finishing
and
great
things
starting,
but
when
you're
immersed
in
a
five-year,
cip
and
you're
looking
at
all
of
it,
you've
got
that
depth.
J
J
But
in
my
experience,
no
matter
what
good
people
with
this
kind
of
energy
that
are
ready
to
go
myself
included,
I'm
always
left
a
little
bit
like.
How
do
I
get
to
more
of
this.
I've
got
my
own
list
of
things
for
the
organization
and
it's
a
mile
long,
and
it's
really
frustrating
that
I
can't
get
to
almost
any
of
it
and
my
problems
aren't
your
problem,
but
the
nature
of
the
work
and
how
busy
we
are
just
to
share
with
you.
J
J
So
I'm
also
trying
to
fix
that
piece
of
it,
and
it
is
taking
more
of
my
time
and
the
team's
time
to
figure
that
piece
out
too.
So
that's
a
little
behind
the
curtain
stuff,
but
at
least
I'm
trying
to
convey
and
promise
you
it's
not
for
a
lack
of
drive.
It's
not
for
lack
of
wherewithal
it's
not
for
a
lack
of
interest.
It
is
really
trying
to
do
a
whole
lot.
J
At
the
same
time,
I
think
we've
got
some
good
things
coming
that
are
going
to
straighten
a
lot
of
these
processes
out,
create
clarity
and
better
expectations,
probably
need
another,
two
or
three
months
to
really
wrap
that
up,
write
it
down,
confer
with
you
present
schedule,
a
joint
meeting,
etc
to
get
it
going.
I
apologize
this.
I
know
that's
a
lot.
A
No
thanks,
for
I
mean
and
again
we
are
not
intended
to
you
know,
attack
or
remark.
We
are
seven
people
here
who
want
to
help
and
and
we
we
feel
a
responsibility
and
we
want
to
just
get
some
direction
really
from
city
council,
and
then
you
know
so
that
we
can
do
some
work
to
make
their
job
easier
and
and
staff
and
as
well.
So
that
is
what
our
goal
is
to
do.
I
And-
and
ideally
you
know,
once
we
get
some
of
this
communication
stuff
between
the
council
and
commissions.
You
know,
I
think,
there's
such
a
huge
community
of
benefit
that
we're
you
know.
All
of
us
are
really
eager
for.
So
I'm
excited
to
see
that
progress
in
the
next
few
months
and
looking
forward
to
hearing
what
you
guys
come
up
with
in
your
strategy
session.
J
Fully
agreed-
and
if
I
could
just
address
that
quickly,
you
know
we,
we
really
have
a
one-person
communications
team.
We
have
our
office
of
neighborhoods
too,
that
that
helps
I'll
be
honest.
I
came
from
an
organization
one-fifth
to
size.
That
also
was
a
two-person
operation.
So
that's
another
place.
We've
we
have
some
external
contract
help.
We've
used
that
and
some
of
that
work.
I've
seen
some
of
the
the
ads
that
the
team
has
created
and
things
to
to
brand
measure
j
and
think
it's
awesome.
J
You
know
we
are
trying
to
communicate
across
the
board
and
generally
all
of
it
kind
of
seems
like
not
quite
enough.
We
do
want
to
ramp
up
that
whole
program
too.
Just
so
this
group
knows
we're
working
on
building
more
in-house
video
production
capability
so
that
we
can
do
more
of
the
things
we've
relied
on
external
consultants
to
do.
J
We
want
to
do
the
same
with
our
social
media
team,
and
you
know
we
don't
actually
have
a
webmaster,
so
we
have
a
website
that
a
bunch
of
users
create
content
but
nobody's
actually
looking
through
it
on
a
consistent
basis
to
make
sure
it's
intuitive
and
that
old
stuff
is
removed.
You
know
there
are
just
some
of
these
gaps
frankly
in
in
our
program
that
we
need
to
fill
huge
relief
that
now
we're
bringing
on
a
couple
key
staff
people
and
can
focus
on
the
new
things
it.
It
was
at.
J
The
the
the
lingering
impact
of
the
pandemic
means
it
was
the
last
september
meeting
so
just
a
meeting
before
last
that
we
just
unfroze
the
last
of
the
frozen
positions
right
so
we're
so
we
won't
be
fully
onboarded
with
full
staffing
from
before
pandemic
for
another
90
days.
At
least
we
actually
have
67
vacancies
right
now,
which,
according
to
our
hr
department,
is
the
most
we've
ever
had
at
one
time
ever,
at
least
as
far
back
as
records
go
so
yeah
getting
those
people
on
board
so
that
we
have
a
little
more
capacity.
J
I'm
grateful
we've
been
able
to
use
the
contracts
to
do
some
of
that
good
work,
but
but
we'll
as
we
ramp
up
we'll
be
able
to
do
more
again.
There's
always
going
to
be
that
little
bit
of
like
depth
versus
breadth
right.
We're
also
trying
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
the
message
across
on
all
the
other
issues,
crime
and
homelessness
and
business
opportunities-
and
you
know,
business
retention
and
upcoming
council
meetings
and
programs
for
parks
and
recreation
and
what
we're
doing
in
sustainability
all
at
the
same
time.
J
D
And
I
would
just
like
to
add
real
quickly,
that's
great,
that
the
city
is
doing
that,
but
the
videos
take
time
even
just
simple
signage,
branding,
branding
that
people
see
when
they're
out
walking
when
they're
driving
whatever
it
is.
If
it's
a
resurfacing
of
a
street
or
building
of
a
sidewalk
that
there
is
brought
to
you
by
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
measure
j.
D
That's
what
people
see
and
that's
simple
that
doesn't
take
a
lot
of
time
or
staff,
and
we
realize
that-
and
I
think
you
know-
and
I
I
totally
hear
you
justin
you
get.
I've
lived
in
the
city
for
11
years,
and
you
know
the
city
council
is,
should
not
be
a
full-time
job.
It
doesn't
pay
as
a
full-time
job
and
it's
way
more
than
that
and
you
get
a
lot
of
voices
coming
at
you
constantly.
D
We
don't
want
to
be
another
loud
voice.
We
want
to
help.
We
want
to
work
with
council
and
I
think
that's
the
purpose
of
this,
even
if,
if
we
could
seek
six
months
to
just
go
over
the
projects
and
let
our
voice
be
heard
because
we
we
really
use
good
common
sense
with
staff
we've,
we
have
rejected
frivolous
expenditures
that
we
feel
that
wouldn't
be
beneficial
to
the
city
or
to
the
residents,
and
we
really
take
to
heart
what
the
engineering
staff
presents
to
us.
D
Even
these
projects
that
are
not
very
sexy,
like
sewer
systems.
So
again
it's
just
getting
our
opinion
and
our
voice
heard,
and
we
want
to
be
helpful.
We
don't
want
to
be
another,
a
voice,
that's
coming
at
you
with
unrealistic
expectations.
We
get
it
and
a
lot
of
people
have
a
lot
of
needs.
I've
got
a
laundry
list
of
things.
D
I
would
love
to
see
happen
in
this
city
to
improve
the
appearance
and
our
parks
and
the
list
goes
on,
but
I
also
realize
the
reality
of
that
isn't
going
to
happen
right
away,
but
I
do
get
frustrated
and
I
think
others
too,
when
they
see
other
communities
down
valley
that
build
things
in
half
the
time.
Some
of
them,
some
of
their
projects,
turn
out
better
they're
bigger.
They
have
better
parks
and
they're
well
maintained
and
yeah.
Maybe
they
have
more
tax
dollars.
D
But
you
know
we've
got
a
lot
of
money
flowing
in
here
and
you
know
the
feedback
that
I
get
from
people,
because
a
lot
of
people
get
their
city
news
from
the
desert
sun.
Is
they
look
at
the
city
and
say
wow?
They
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
statues
in
front
of
city
hall,
but
they're
not
addressing
a
lot
of
other
issues
and
a
lot
of
those
issues
are
what
come
across
our
our
our
docket
and
we
want
to
just
see
those
things
move
and
again
when
those
things
are
in
process
signage.
D
D
H
C
C
C
A
Okay,
I
think
we've
treated
you
here's
enough.
So
again
we
really
appreciate
councilman
calls
you
coming
and
it
was
last
minute
invitation
and
and
listening
to
this
and
and
we
know
your
job
is
difficult
and
we
just
want
to
help.
So
we
can.
I
can
move
on
and
hopefully
we'll
take
some
of
this
to
your
visioning
session.
So
if
that's
okay,
we'll
move
on
to
the
review
and
discussion
on
the
community
initiated
projects,
application.
C
E
I
kind
of
looked
through
a
couple
of
them.
Some
were
very
long-winded.
I
thought
we
were
able
to
give
them
minimal
space,
but
some
are
like
very
very
long
and
I
was
a
little
disappointed
because
some
of
them,
like
dollar
amount,
no
clue
or
unknown
or
question
mark
question
mark
question
mark,
but
you
know
that
we
are
receiving
them.
E
Hopefully,
we
I'll
ask
amy
to
send
out
another
reminder
and
remind
everybody,
and
if
I'm
gonna
ask
patrick
and
sustainability,
because
he
had
a
couple
items
last
a
couple
meetings
ago
that
he
wanted
so
we'll
have
some
of
those
items
and
then
we'll
group
them
together.
Hopefully
we're
gonna
get
more.
C
A
The
other
question
I
have
is
when
we
get
some
of
the
email
ones
like
you
know.
We
received
this
from
regarding
the
dog
park,
the
email,
it's
not
as
part
of
an
official
application,
and
I
mean
do
we
have
to
have
remind
everyone
that
they
can't
just
make
a
comment
and
a
suggestion
that
they
have
to
actually
submit
the
application.
E
Yes,
that's
a
very
good
point.
I
I
know
evelyn
had
mentioned
earlier
in
this
meeting
that
it's
not
the
cost
outweigh
the
cost,
is
going
to
be
more
than
a
million
dollars.
That's
why
they
did
not
want
to
submit
the
application
it's
more
than
a
community
project,
a
cost.
It's
more
of
one
of
the
larger
scale
projects.
E
E
A
E
B
B
A
I
mean
I
can
answer
just
from
what
I've
seen
it.
You
know
the
city
has
an
email
list.
It's
been
sent
out
to
the
desert
sun.
It's
been
sent
out
press
releases.
I
know
it's
there's
a
a
weekly
email
list
that
I
mean
I've
seen
it
a
lot.
I
think
the
only
the
only
other
option,
which
is
the
you
know,
which
is
going
to
be
after
our
deadline,
is
the
chamber
of
commerce
quarterly
newsletter
every
resident,
but
that
might
be
something
that
we
asked
to
be
included
in.
I
Commissioner,
federer
makes
a
great
point,
like
maybe
nancy,
I
don't
know
if
it
would
be
helpful
as
a
subcommittee,
we
come
together
and
identify
like
the
15
organizations
that
we
can
do
a
personal
outreach
to
whether
that's
one
of
us
or
you
know
we
draft
an
email
that
evelyn
can
send
out.
So
that
way,
there's
kind
of
like
this.
You
know.
I
Pot
of
money
that
we're
hoping
to
get
community
input
on
you
know
your
community
leader,
we
hope
to
whatever
whatever,
because
it
could
be.
You
know
they
might
not
be
on
that
mailing
list
or
whatever
it
might
be,
so
not
that
they
have
to
apply.
But
you
know,
personal
invites
for
key
organizations
might
be
helpful.
E
Let
me
ask
you
a
question.
I
know
we
had
purchased
a
couple
tents
of
some
sort
for
the
picnic
that
we
didn't
have
because
of
kovid
yeah
is
it?
Is
it
doable
that
a
couple
people
maybe
go
to
the
village
fest
if
that's
possible
and
hand
out
some
of
the
applications
or
just
have
signage
there
or
something
of
that
sort?
Just
for
advertising,
since
a
lot
of
people
do
walk
past
a
lot
of
the
booths
down
there
have
a
big
measure.
J
sign.
Have
your
tent.
B
Yeah
yeah
and
I
I
think,
with
miss
lotto's
idea,
actually
contacting
that
when
we
met
prior,
we
had
a
list
probably
of
20
different
organizations
upper
in
the
park,
things
that
had
never
been
brought
up
before,
so
I
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
it,
but
I
think
perhaps
a
subcommittee
administrator.
If
you
have
time
we
can
talk
and
maybe
just
contact
people,
we
know-
and
people
who
are
leading
those
organizations
and
also
in
different
communities
to
make
sure
we're
reaching
them.
That
was
really
one
of
those.
B
A
B
A
B
E
I'm
wondering
I
I
don't
want
to
use
this
as
a
solicitation,
but
how
about
tomorrow,
chair
bernstein
you're
going
to
be
giving
a
speech
tomorrow
at
the
park
regarding
a
park,
and
maybe
you
can
just
mention
you
know
this
park
is
from
measure
j.
Please
know
that
we
have
an
application
online,
and
so
maybe
some
people
will
hear
it
from
you
tomorrow.
If
that's
possible.
A
A
Yeah
and
I
and
I
mean
I
could
directly
just
send
it
to
you
know
I
can
just
go
on
the
website
and
find
the
other
commission
heads
and
just
make
sure
they've
received
it
and
distribute
it,
and
certainly
the
non-profits.
You
know
I'm
not
sure
I
mean
I
can
send
it
to
them.
It's
pretty
self,
you
know,
they'd
have
to
fill
it
out
and
some
they
may
not
have
applicable
things,
but
I
think
I
have
a
lot
of
that
list
anyway.
I
And
I
think
in
terms
of
we're
thinking,
organizations
you
know
myself
some
idea
of
something
that's
needed
in
that
parking
lot
or
you
know
the
boys
and
girls
club.
Might
it's
it's
not
necessarily
like
programming
for
those
services,
but
where
they
are
in
the
community
and
kind
of
how
people
access
their
like
physical
space.
H
If
I
might
add,
the
urgency
of
having
a
deadline
was
based
on
what
happened
previously
were
200
plus
applications
through
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
evolving.
That
way,
the
deadline
could
be
extended
or
it
might
be
also
a
mixed
blessing.
If
you
get
less
applications,
you
sort
through
them,
you
get
good
projects,
you
finance
them
and
build
them
quicker,
and
it's
a
yeah
ongoing
pro
community
projects
without
a
true
deadline.
H
So
I
think,
if
I
mean
from
what
I
see,
staff
is
doing
their
job
trying
to
get
out
as
much
publicity
as
possible,
but
if
it
doesn't
pan
out,
people
learn
for
this
particular
commission
that
we
revamp
or
remove
deadlines
and
just
have
ongoing
community
project
applications
that
could
be
worked
on
as
they
come
in.
So
I
don't
from
what
I
can
tell
the
the
interest.
Isn't
there
right
now
for
the
community,
but.
A
It
might
be
a
good
thing.
Okay,
I
think
that's
great.
If
I
can
make
a
suggestion.
You
know
right
now.
We
you
know:
we've
set
a
million
dollars
a
year.
We
haven't
said
we
had
to
carry
over
like
let's
keep
this
deadline
and
when
we
see
which
ones
come
in,
we
can
make
the
decision.
We
could
easily
come
back
and
say
we
have
another
million
dollars
for
this
year.
We've
allocated
and
you
know
we're
going
to
spend
that
and
then
we'll
have
another
one,
the
next
fiscal
year.
A
So
that
way
that
keeps
momentum,
especially
what
might
encourage
is
it
if
we,
when
we
announce
which
projects
won,
because
that
will
do
it,
but
I'm
happy
to
send
out.
You
know
emails
in
the
interim,
and
if
anybody
has
you
know,
suggestions
on
who
they
on
organizations
or
people.
They
would
like
me
to
send
it
to
directly.
C
D
D
A
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
things
move
forward,
which
probably
will
happen
sooner
than
the
regular
project.
So
this
would
be
great,
I
mean-
and
I
will
say
I
have
seen
it
out
there-
a
lot.
It
may
just
be
where
I'm
looking,
but
I've
seen
it
out
a
lot,
but
there's
a
certain
group
of
the
population
that's
very
hard
to
reach.
C
B
Think
the
thing
is
we
try
our
best.
We
do
our
best
organizations
that
we
are
affiliated
with
or
have
know
something
about.
You
know
put
the
bug
in
the
ear
and
maybe
joelle
is
correct.
We
get
25,
really
good
ones
and
we're
not
all
going
crazy
spending.
Three
days
evaluating
these
there's
a
little
bit
to
that.
How
do
we
really
process
all
that
information
and
that
mr
matthews
is
saying
yay
yay,
because
it's
really
a
bit
unreasonable,
so
we're
learning?
A
So
in
terms
of
social
media
announcements,
that's
next
our
agenda,
I
will
say:
there's
been
a
lot
of
social
media
on
the
downtown
park
and
and
what
I've
been
impressed
by
is.
They
have
been
very
emphasized
that
it's
a
measure,
j
project
so
and
that
has
been
visually
and
in
text,
and
I
know
I've
seen
the
mayor's
comments
that
she
plans
to
say
tomorrow
and
she's
going
to
mention
it
as
well.
So
that's
good.
A
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
promote
the
other
projects
that
are
happening
so
that
people
don't
think
this
is
the
sole
use
of
measure
j,
but
I
think
that
has
to
happen
after
this
because
this
has
been.
This
is
quite
a
huge
project
and
for
those
of
you
who
haven't
seen
the
downtown
park,
it's
beautiful,
it
really
is
so
so.
H
H
A
I
think
I
mean
as
someone
who
is
actually
down
there
in
that
area.
Almost
every
single
day,
I
will
say
that
it
will
the
repercussions
of
just
having
that,
in
terms
of
just
you
know,
for
the
community
downtown
the
businesses,
the
art
museum,
I
think
it'll
be
a
huge
boom
too.
I
know
the
events
I
know
pride
is
already
planning
to
use
it
in
november,
so
it
you
know
so
in
that
respect,
it'll
be
a
real.
You
know
a
lot.
A
B
B
C
A
C
A
G
Thank
you,
okay.
I
have
a
few
things
number
one
in
regard
to
the
tent.
Just
so
everybody
knows
when
we
got
the
tent,
I
had
the
front
of
the
top
done
and
it
says
measure
j
and
big
blue
letters,
signage
on
the
tent,
already
number
two
nancy
and
I
got
together
and
we
found
signs
thanks
to
nancy
and
nancy,
sent
me
a
picture
and
I
can't
find
it
nancy.
I'm
praying
that
you
got
it.
E
E
G
E
G
A
A
C
E
Let
me
check
with
anthony,
because
I
found
an
ordinance
and
that
the
ordinance
said
that
we
were
only
meeting
quarterly
and
I
went
and
talked
to
anthony
about
it.
He's
like.
Oh,
no,
that
was
revised.
So
he's
going
to
get
me
the
the
new,
the
newest
ordinance,
and
we
can
look
on
there
to
see
how
many,
if
they
change
the
number.
H
G
B
H
D
C
A
H
A
H
A
I
C
H
I
No,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
community
funds
or
measure
date,
I'm
just
as
someone
it
occurred
to
me
that,
like
in
the
summer,
it's
really
hard
to
spend
time
in
anywhere.
That's
not
fine,
dining
in
this
city,
let
alone.
If
you
have
children,
and
so
I
was
thinking
I
was
just
trying
to
understand,
like
outside
of
recreation
like
actual
parks
and
rec
spaces.