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B
C
A
Member
walsh,
remember
payline
here,
remember
mccoy
is
excused
this
evening.
Remember
lock
here
here,
remember
dosie
here
vice
chair,
rottman,
sure
and
chair
jakeway,.
A
Yes,
mr
chair,
the
agenda
was
posted
on
thursday
april
29th.
Our
meeting
has
been
posted
in
accordance
with
state
law.
B
Dosey,
do
we
have
a
second
second,
all
in
favor
all
right
hi.
Thank
you.
Since
this
is
a
public
meeting
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
comment
on
any
issue
that
is
not
within
this
committee's
perv.
That
is
within
this
committee's
purview.
Comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
tonight's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time
that
that
item
is
presented.
If
anybody
in
the
waiting
room
would
like
to
speak
on
an
item
not
on
today's
agenda,
please
let
us
know
now.
A
Here,
everyone
here
is
going
to
speak
on
the
night
on
this
evening.
Mr
chair.
B
Okay:
let's
proceed
to
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
previous
meetings.
We
have
the
minutes
of
the
april
5th
2021
meeting.
Do
we
have
any
comments,
corrections
or
changes
on
on
those
minutes.
B
B
Okay,
seeing
none
I'd
like
to
move
to
the
consent
calendar
which
will
approve
both
of
those
two
sets
of
minutes
and
we'll
also
approve
item
number
two.
Otc
dispensary
lounge
requesting
approval
for
one
sign
at
40
square
feet
located
on
the
front
facade
of
a
cannabis
dispensary
located
at
757,
south
williams.
Road.
E
B
Second,
by
rotman,
all
in
favor
aye.
Thank
you.
Moving
to
unfinished
business
item
number
three
david
and
patricia
marina
owners
for
a
major
architectural
application,
proposing
a
7,
125
square
foot,
single
family
resident
and
accessory
structures
on
a
39,
340
square
foot.
Hillside
lot
located
at
1405
rose
avenue.
B
I
know
that
our
committee
member
sean
lockier
is
going
to
be
recused
from
this
item.
That's
right!
Thank
you!
Sean!
Do
we
have
a
staff
report.
G
Yes,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report,
your
this
committee
heard
this
particular
application
at
its
march
first
meeting
and
had
further
information
and
review
asking
for
further
information
on
the
issue
of
the
wall
height
the
pickleball
court.
Some
concerns
about
the
driveway
and
motor
court
at
the
north
end
of
the
property.
G
The
applicant
has
responded
to
the
comments
and
the
concerns
of
the
aac,
as
well
as
to
continue
their
outreach
to
their
neighbors
on
some
of
these
items.
On
page
two
of
your
staff
report
of
the
items
and
the
work
that
the
applicant
has
done
since
our
last
meeting,
they
have
eliminated
the
pickleball
court.
They
have
reduced
the
overall
height
of
the
front
concrete
wall
by
12
inches.
They
have
removed
the
tallest
southernmost
concrete
panel
from
the
front
wall
of
the
home
they've
eliminated
the
circular
driveway
reducing
the
area
of
the
driveway
in
the
motor
court.
G
They
have
installed
story
pools
on
the
lot
to
demark
the
proposed
wall,
height
and
they've,
conducted
solar
and
shade
studies
to
verify
that
no
adverse
shade
impact
will
be
occurring
for
the
properties
east
of
the
project
site.
I
have
sent
out
correspondence
to
all
of
you
late
last
week
about
the
availability
of
the
story
polls
to
be
observed
and,
as
I
did
note
at
that
time,
the
story
polls
were
put
in
place
prior
to
the
last
set
of
revisions
that
were
made
on
the
project.
G
G
The
other
thing
I
want
to
kind
of
clarify
is
there
was
some
discussion
about
building
height
on
this
project
at
our
last
meeting,
because
this
is
a
30
000
square
foot
lot,
which
is
a
very
large
lot.
The
method
of
measuring
building
height
is
slightly
different
than
what
the
committee
is
typically
used
to,
seeing
in
which
we
take
the
height
from
the
crown
of
the
road
or
from
the
top
of
the
curb
plus
18.
G
And
then
we
start
the
the
determination
of
building
height
when
you
have
a
property
that
is
in
excess
of
30
000
square
feet.
The
zoning
code
notes
that
the
planning
commission
shall
establish
the
height
from
the
adjacent
natural
grade
or
from
whatever
other
point
the
planning
commission
determines.
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
clarify
that
nuance
as
the
discussion
last
time
we
met
on
this
site
was
looking
at
it
relative
to
top
of
curve,
and
that
would
not
be
the
normal
way.
We
would
do
it
for
a
lot
of
this
size.
G
B
G
G
So,
as
I
said,
this
is
a
single
family
home.
This
is
the
changes
and
these
are
in
your
packet
as
well,
so
I'm
kind
of
summarizing
what
you
already
have
in
your
packet
and
your
staff
report.
So
the
pickleball
court
on
the
southern
end
of
the
site
was
removed
and
in
its
place,
are
a
series
of
trees
and
other
rocks
and
naturalized
landscaping
that
you
see
here,
the
driveway
improvement
on
the
north
end
of
the
parcel.
There
was
a
kind
of
a
u-shaped
driveway
with
a
dual
set
of
curb
cuts.
G
This
is
the
most
interesting
and
probably
germain
part
of
this
particular
project.
Is
this
question
about
wall
height?
As
you
can
see,
and
as
you
recall
from
the
last
time,
I
reviewed
this
project
with
you.
The
project
has
an
unusual
characteristic
in
the
design,
which
is
a
large
tilt
up
cast
on
the
site,
concrete
wall.
G
The
wall
will
undulate
and
will
be
especially
mixed
in
this
concrete
to
create
this
undulating
pattern
that
you
see
on
the
top
image
here
in
this
rendering
and
what
has
happened
here
since
our
last
visit
on
this
project
is
this
last
panel,
which
is
indicated
in
red
here,
has
been
eliminated.
G
If
the
findings
can
be
made,
in
this
case,
they're
asking
for
a
height
of
approximately
20
feet
at
the
southernmost
end
of
that
front
wall,
so
it
is
within
the
realm
of
what
is
allowable
to
be
requested
for
a
hillside
lot
on
this
slot.
On
this
side,
I'm
sorry,
you
can
see
the
revisions
that
have
been
made
so
here
on
the
right
side
of
the
rendering
you
see
this
simplified
motor
cart
and
a
single
driveway
curb
cut
rather
than
two.
G
I
know
it's
hard
to
see
in
this
particular
image,
but
it
is
a
composite
image
from
your
packet,
showing
the
landscape
plan,
and
all
I
would
wish
to
point
out
to
you
here
is
this:
is
the
area
where
the
pickleball
court
had
previously
been
proposed
and
the
applicant
is
now
proposing
it
simply
as
an
open,
landscaped
area?
So
as
you're
viewing
the
site
from
outside
of
the
privacy
gate,
that's
part
of
this
development,
you
would
basically
be
looking
more
or
less
across
this
part
of
the
site.
G
Here
is
the
color
board,
which
has
not
changed
from
the
previous
submittal
and
the
applicant,
and
the
applicant's
architect
can
further
describe
that
if
you
have
further
questions
on
it,
so
in
summary,
there
was
additional
outreach
that
the
owner
did
to
the
neighbors
they've
reduced
the
wall
height
reduced
the
pickleball
court,
simplified
the
driveway
added
landscape,
done
the
shade
studies
and
added
story
poles,
and
we
believe
that
the
applicant
has
been
responsive
to
the
aac
comments
and
that
the
changes
that
have
made
have
in
fact
been
betterments
for
this
particular
project.
G
F
Robert
yeah,
ken
just
to
clarify
you
sent
an
email
out
to
the
committee
and
in
it
you
said
that
the
height
of
the
building
had
been
lowered,
six
inches
from
what
the
story
poles
were
when
they
were
erected,
and
tonight
you
said
that
there
were
12
inches.
Can
you
just
clarify?
B
Any
other
questions
of
staff
I
have.
D
A
question
sure
tom
can,
at
the
north
end
of
the
property
where
they've
revised
the
driveway
from
a
circular
driveway
to
a
single
entrance
on
the
previous
plan.
D
I
recall
there
was
some
great
changes
over
there
and
it
looks
like
this
solution
may
have
lessened
the
severity
or
needs
from
the
retaining
walls
towards
the
north.
Is
that
correct.
G
Generally
speaking,
yes,
let
me
share
my
screen
with
you
again
and
I'll
illustrate
those
differences
here.
Excuse
me
so
this
one
here
on
the
left
was
the
previous
one,
and
then
this
here
on
the
right
is
the
currently
proposed.
The
grade.
G
Change
is
not
appreciably
different,
but
what
you
see
here
is
that
there's
a
greater
length
within
which
to
transition
from
this
higher
elevation
down
to
where
the
driveways
are
so
you're,
not
dealing
with
all
of
this
retaining
wall
that
you
saw
in
the
previous
scheme,
but
rather
you're
dealing
with
more
of
a
naturalized
boulder
strewn
slope.
That
brings
you
from
this
higher
lot
to
the
north
down
to
the
motor
court.
D
G
I
think
it's
16
or
18
feet
and
I'll
have
the
architect
clarify
that
for
you,
okay,
thank
you.
B
Ken
could
you
clarify
something
in
my
package
and
it's
just
because
I
can't
read
it
the
way.
It
was
printed
on
page
seven,
the
landscape
escape
plan
proposed
between
the
gem
and
guest
house
and
the
pool
there's
a
green
and
dark
black,
but
all
the
all
the
words
in
there
are
illegible.
Can
you
tell
me
what
that
says.
G
I'm
at
a
loss.
I
only
have
five
pages
in
my
staffing
for
four
pages:
no.
G
G
B
H
I'm
nick
lafaro
I
work
for
studio,
ard,
architects
and
I'll
be
presenting
this
project.
Yes,
so
over
the
past
eight
weeks
we've
been
working
closely
with
ken
lyon
in
order
to
address
the
concerns
that
the
committee
raised
at
our
first
hearing.
The
first
concern
was
the
pickleball
court
and
I
know
everyone
kind
of
focused
on
the
sound,
so
we
did
hire
an
acoustician
and
working
with
them.
H
We
did
figure
out
ways
to
mitigate
the
sound
from
coming
off
of
our
property,
but
after
multiple
meetings
with
the
southern
neighbors
and
all
adjacent
neighbors,
the
clients
ultimately
decided
to
remove
the
pickleball
court
in
in
good
faith
and
to
be
good
neighbors
into
this
new
neighborhood
pickleball
is
a
passion
of
the
homeowners,
so
that
was
a
difficult
decision.
H
We've
replaced
it
with
a
an
orchard.
Now.
The
second
concern
was
the
driveway
and
we
have
listened
to
the
aac
on
this
and
we've
redesigned
the
driveway
to
a
simpler,
more
traditional
driveway.
To
answer
your
question,
we
show
it
at
22
feet
wide
is
the
driveway,
but
even
with
that,
with
ultimately
removing
the
double
entry,
it
did
allow
us
to
pull
that
north
hardscape
edge
further
south,
which
allowed
for
more
landscape
and
natural
boulder
retaining
so
tom.
H
To
answer
your
other
question,
we
were
able
to
heavily
reduce
and
remove
that
retaining
wall
that
we
were
proposing
originally
mm-hmm.
A
third
thing,
actually
that
ken
didn't
point
out
was
a
concern
of
our
southern
eve
projection
on
the
main
house.
H
We
we
re-examined
this
and
we
did
bring
in
that
southern
eve
12
feet,
and
we
think
that
was
a
great
architectural
decision
and
it
also
led
to
us
looking
at
the
hvac
closet
and
changing
the
material
from
stucco
and
reintroducing
our
board
and
batten
that
you
see
when
you're
looking
at
the
front
facade
between
and
behind
our
undulating
concrete
walls,
so
that
that
was
one
thing
we
did.
We
did
listen
to
the
aac
and
bring
that
eve
further
in
the
fourth
concern.
Is
our
our
front
undulating
concrete
wall?
H
The
the
committee
asked
us
to
take
a
look
at
this
and
reducing
the
hype.
So
we've
spent
the
past
eight
weeks
revising
this
project,
multiple
iterations,
and
we
think
that
we've
made
the
maximum
amount
of
compromises
that
we
can
to
this
wall
with
the
goal
of
meeting
the
approval
requirements,
while
still
maintaining
the
integrity
of
this
major
architectural
feature.
H
We've
worked
closely
with
ken
to
ensure
that
we
meet
these
goals
and
understanding
how
to
correctly
describe
and
measure
the
height
of
the
walls
was
important.
So,
as
ken
pointed
out,
we
looked
at
the
code
and
for
a
single
family
lot.
That's
over
30
000
square
feet.
The
height
of
the
walls
is
to
be
measured
from
adjacent
natural
grade,
and
a
question
was
asked
at
our
last
aac
asking
for
the
wall's
height
from
top
of
curb,
which
we
incorrectly
answered
as
27
feet.
H
So
now,
understanding
the
code
and
through
multiple
steps,
we've
reduced
the
wall's
height
to
20
feet
from
adjacent
natural
grade
at
its
southernmost
end.
So
I
want
to
be
clear
on
that.
This
is
a
single
point
that
this
wall
is
20
feet
high
and
this
quickly
reduces
an
appearance
and
ultimately,
as
we
head
north,
it's
12
foot,
8
high
above
natural
grade.
H
It
was
really
important.
We
we
want
this
house
to
read
as
a
single
level
house,
that's
difficult
to
do
on
a
site
that
has
a
32
foot
difference,
so
it
is
split
level
on
the
interior,
but
it
was
important
to
us
to
make
it
single
level
appearing
from
the
exterior.
H
H
Yep
completely
gone
that
red
last
panel
and
that
also
exposed
that
hvac
closet,
which
is
why
we
changed
that
to
board
and
batten
again
but
completely
obliterated,
which
brought
our
overall
wall
height
above
grade
12
inches
lower.
We
also
reduced
the
ceiling
height
of
our
entrance
and
kitchen
down
from
nine
foot,
eight
to
nine
foot,
one
which
got
us
another
seven
inches,
and
we
also
reduce
the
overall
height
of
these
concrete
walls
by
12
inches
as
you've
seen.
H
We've
erected
story
poles
to
show
the
height
of
these
concrete
walls
in
relation
to
natural
finish
grade,
but
you
gotta
know
that
these
don't
tell
the
appropriate
story.
We
are
building
a
house
and
we're
designing
the
landscape.
You
know,
I
think
we
we
have
a
proven
track
record
of
of
doing
this
in
these
hillside
homes,
where
we're
softening
with
with
landscape-
and
you
know
we
will
be
softening
the
appearance
of
these
walls
through
landscape
and
these
boulder
pockets
that
we're
creating
reducing
the
perception
of
its
height.
H
Ultimately,
we
we're
going
to
be
raising
the
the
grade
by
about
four
feet
or
so
so
we
do.
We
do
feel
that
there
aren't
any
further
steps
that
can
be
taken
without
compromising
this.
This
beautiful
facade
that
we
think
is
going
to
be
a
major
architectural
project.
The
clients
have
reached
out
to
their
neighbors
and
for
the
most
part,
the
community
is
in
open
support
of
this
project
and
think
that
it's
going
to
make
the
neighborhood
that
much
better.
A
Mr
chair,
we
might
also
open
up
to
anyone
else
in
the
on
the
meeting
we'd
like
to
speak
during
public
comment.
Yes,.
B
A
I
Great,
this
is
david
marino.
Am
I
allowed
to
speak
now?
I
Yes,
please,
yeah
so
good
evening,
thanks
for
allowing
us
to
come
back
a
couple
minutes
later
and
for
all
of
your
comments
at
the
time
a
few
months
ago,
we,
you
know,
really
think
we're
presenting
a
better
house,
and
so
your
comments
from
the
time
were
really
appreciated
and
taken
seriously
and
incorporated
into
the
design,
and
I
think
this
has
been
a
really
positive
process.
You
know
we.
I
We
are
sad
to
forego
our
pickleball
court,
but
we
understand
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
for
the
neighborhood
and
we
think
we've
really
cleaned
up
the
the
presentation
and
we've
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
money
over
the
last
two
weeks
trying
to
get
this
right.
You
know
I
just
want
to
reflect
in
the
development
letter
of
intent.
I
We
had
put
forward
to
the
committee
that
you
know
we're
we're
just
built
we're
building
a
family
home
here,
that's
our
goal:
it's
a
four
bedroom
main
house
with
four
and
a
half
baths
and
a
modest
home
office
and
an
open
living,
dining
and
kitchen
area.
But
ultimately,
you
know
the
challenge
on
these
sites.
I
Is
that
they're
long
and
narrow
and
they
fall
about
one
foot
for
every
10
foot
of
north
to
south
elevation
and
my
wife
and
I,
while
we're
in
our
50s,
we
hope
to
age
in
place
and
have
palm
springs
in
this
home,
be
our
permanent
home
and
and
that
we
would
have
a
single
level
house.
But
ultimately,
the
house
drops
six
and
a
half
feet
in
the
interior
from
north
to
south,
but
architecturally.
I
If
you
look
at
all
the
homes
on
the
north
end
of
rose
avenue
behind
the
gate,
all
of
them
are
appear
to
be,
we
believe
single
story,
homes
we've
been
in
most
of
them,
and
so
we
want
our
home
to
read
that
same
way
as
if
it
is
a
single
story.
Home
and
a
lot
of
other
homes
in
the
neighborhood
have
have
brought
in
fill
dirt
and
built
up
the
foundation.
I
But
we
want
our
home
to
look
really
clean
and
horizontal
and
as
it's
as
if
it's
from
the
place
of
it's
from
the
from
the
ground,
from
the
stone
from
the
desert,
but
but
that
horizontal
plane
that
studio
air
arnd
has
created
with
those
architectural
vertical
concrete
elements,
there's
actually
a
functional
purpose
to
that
it's
not
just
a
architectural
wall
that
is
actually
the
eastern
wall
of
the
corridor
that
serves
our
kids
bedroom
wing
and
the
guest
bedroom
wing,
so
they're
they're
actually
serving
a
purpose
for
the
home
itself.
I
So
nobody
had
really
mentioned
that.
I
thought
that
was
important,
but
we
really
believe
we're
building
something
iconic,
that's
going
to
really
be
beautiful
and
that
we're
going
to
be
proud
of,
and
then
hopefully
it
will
serve
many
many
generations
to
come
and
that
it
fits
into
the
neighborhood
nicely.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
B
B
B
I
have
a
maybe
it's
more
of
a
comment
than
a
question.
You
specifically
mentioned
that
your
design
intent
was
to
make
the
house
look
like
a
one-story
house
from
the
street.
I
don't
know
that
that's
an
appropriate
constraint
to
put
on
the
design,
because
the
street
slopes
so
much.
B
In
a
hillside,
you
would
see
the
house
stepping
up
the
street
following
that
terrain
and,
as
you
look
at
the
majority
of
the
other
houses
on
the
street,
the
building
the
actual
house
walls
aren't
necessarily
stepping,
but
all
of
the
retaining
walls,
planter,
walls
and
and
walls
that
are
between
the
house
and
the
street,
do
have
that
stepping
up
character
to
them
and
also
most
of
those
houses,
are
pushed
to
the
west
side
of
the
lot,
because
their
pools
are
on
the
east
side.
B
I
would
think
that
there
should
could
be
some
thought
to
the
undulating,
concrete
walls
having
the
top
of
the
wall
that
undulates
following
the
slope
of
the
house.
As
it
comes
down
the
concrete
wall,
that's
furthest
south
looks
like
it's
probably
six
or
seven
feet
higher
than
the
roof
behind
it,
and
that
just
looks
odd
to
me.
H
So
we
we
didn't
explore
the
undulating
along
the
top
of
the
wall.
We,
we
do
have
a
major
step
down
on
the
southern
seven
panels,
as
I'm
sorry,
southern
six
panels
as
you
step
down
and
that
that's
not
only
within
the
finished
floor,
but
it's
also
on
the
roof
behind
it.
H
So
we
did
play
with
stepping
the
top
of
the
concrete
walls
and
it
just
it
exposed
that
this
house
stepped
down
on
the
interior
where
we
didn't
want
it
to
expose
and
it
and
it
really
exposed
this
roof
element
that
dropped
four
foot
six
and
it
was
quite
unsightly
actually
when
we
looked
at
it
so
that
that
was
one
of
the
driving
forces
too
for
keeping
this
top
of
wall.
The
same
is
to
hide
our
mechanical
dog
houses
on
the
other
side
and
to
hide
these.
B
See
I
would
think
exposing
the
steps
in
the
roof
are
being
more
honest,
they're,
showing
the
actual
situation
that
the
house
is
is
in
it's
it's
tough
for
me
to
accept
the
extreme
height
of
the
two
or
three
most
southern
of
the
undulating
concrete
panels.
B
C
I'm
sorry
I
I
have
one
question
for
nick.
If
I'm
allowed
sure
please
nick,
when
I
went
and
looked
at
the
the
story
polls,
it
is
pretty
close
to
the
street.
Is
there
any
thought
or
is
there
any
way
to
push
the
house
back
further
away
from
the
street
a
little
bit,
so
they
wouldn't
feel
like
it's,
such
on
top
of
the
road.
H
Not
without
reducing
our
our
swimming
pool
in
our
rear
yard
space
that
was
really
important
to
us.
This
is
an
active
family,
so
we're
we're
incorporating
a
bocce
ball
and
a
a
swimming
pool,
and
it
was
important
to
to
keep
our
rear
yard
in
the
size
that
that
we
show,
and
and
also
the
the
depth
of
the
walkway
as
you
walk
down
the
the
guest
rooms
and
the
size
of
the
guest
rooms.
It
all
kind
of
drove
up
drove
these
walls
to
the
to
the
eastern
location,
where
they
are.
C
That's
that
was
the
only
thing
I
kind
of
noticed
when
I
drove
up
there
is
it
just
seemed
so
monolithic
so
close
to
the
street,
and
when
I
drove
further
down
the
street
on
the
same
side,
there
is
a
house
that's
kind
of
close
to
the
street
as
well
as
it
feels
just
as
tall.
But
it's
a
much
smaller
section
of
that
house
closer
to
the
road.
H
When
you
also,
when
you
look
at
these
homes,
too
they're
doing
what
we're
proposing
we're
going
to
be
adding
these
boulder
walls
and
boulder
pockets
to
bring
up
this
finished
grade
and
landscape
and
soften
it's
not
just
boulders
in
front
of
there.
We're
gonna
have
yuccas
and
mexican
grass
trees
and
medium
and
medium
and
high
trees
to
help
soften
these.
This
architectural
feature,
which
we
think
is
quite
beautiful,.
D
D
It's
interesting
when
you,
when
you
look
at
the
rear
elevation
of
the
home,
it
feels
like
it
steps
more
naturally
with
the
grade
as
discussed
versus
the
street
elevation
of
the
home,
and
I
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
with
this
site
is
that
it
overlaps
where
the
entry
gate
is
because
I
would
think
had
that
not
been
the
situation
they
may
have
brought
the
garage
in
further
on
the
south
end
at
the
lower
end
of
the
home,
and
then
you
know,
the
house
would
continue
up
the
slope
with
the
living
areas,
but
I
think
I
think
they
made
a
great
improvement
by
eliminating
that
end,
monolithic,
stone
column
and
almost
like
where
the
areas
now
you
can
see
the
stepping
in
the
house
and
more
of
the
linear.
D
Of
it,
so
I
think
those
were
some
good
comments
about
you
know.
Could
it
even
be
reinforced
more
somehow
to
give
that
fitting
into
the
natural
grade
elevation?
Thank
you.
E
Mr
chairman,
john,
I
I
would,
I
would
concur
in
and
play
off
of
your
initial
comments
and
observations.
The
the
facade
element,
strong
as
it
is,
seems
rather
detached
from
the
reality
of
what
the
house
has
to
do
to
to
function
with
respect
to
the
site,
and
you
know
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
masking.
It
is
necessarily
a
successful
solution,
because
if
we
took
the
the
concrete
block
walls
down
the
the
port
in
place,
the
tilt-up
falls
down.
E
So
in
that
is
the
seed
of
being
able
to
address
what
could
be
observed
as
a
large
mass,
and
it
seems
as
though
you
know,
sometimes
the
the
constraints
that
you're
given
and
and
the
limitations
of
what
a
site
can
do
in
that
are
the
seeds
of
of
something
that
might
be
a
little
more
responsive.
E
So
I
I
I
pause.
You
know
when,
when
I
look
at
something
that
is,
is
that
clean
and
thick
and
yet
a
whole
other
thing
in
terms
of
the
undulation
of
the
sight
and
the
elevation?
That
could
be
a
good
thing
is
happening
underneath
it.
K
K
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
juxtaposition
of
the
walls
getting
larger
as
they
go
down
the
slope.
I
think
that's
kind
of
a
part
of
the
key
statement
on
that,
so
I'll
I'll
kind
of
take
a
different
position
there.
K
The
one
thing
I
did
notice
with
this
new,
the
change
of
the
pickleball
court
to
the
to
the
grove,
which
I
think
is
great-
the
rendered
southeast
corner
kind
of
shows
a
very
boring
straight
steel
fence
along
the
road,
and
I
think,
there's
an
opportunity
there
to
do
something:
a
little
bit
more
natural
and
unique
along
that
street
front
rather
than
that
standard
fence.
So
I
would
recommend
that
they
do
something
to
make
that
a
little
bit
more
interesting.
H
See
if
I
may
real
quick,
that
is
a
that
is
an
hoa
existing
fence
there
and
it's
a
separate
item,
a
separate
project
that
we're
actually
going
to
be
working
with
hoa
to
revamp
this
entrance.
It's
a
very
dated
entrance
that
you
see
here,
and
it
does
nothing
to
speak
of
the
architectural
estates
that
are
on
the
other
side
of
this.
So
we
you'll
be
seeing
us
again
with
a
proposal
in
a
couple
months
for
this
entire
entry
into
the
neighborhood
and.
I
F
Yeah,
I
think
I
kind
of
agree
with
member
poline
the
tilt
up
the
cast
in
place.
Concrete
panels
are
such
a
strong
statement
and,
while
I
understand
about
creating
architecture
about
honesty,
I
think
to
cut
those
panels
or
have
those
panels
follow
the
stepping
down
of
the
house,
really
compromises
the
architectural
concept
and
statement
of
those
panels.
I
agree
when
I
looked
at
the
story
polls.
They
do
appear
very
close
to
the
road
or
closer
than
I'd
like
them
to
be
to
the
road.
F
I
think
landscaping
may
help
help
that
and
I
commend
them
on
the
changes
that
they
have
made.
Lowering
the
height
of
those
the
foot
eliminating
the
the
pickleball
court,
I
think,
was
a
a
major
concession
and
a
positive
concession
for
the
neighborhood.
So
I
I
I
would
be
in
support
of
the
revised
plan.
B
B
I
just
now
have
paid
attention
to
the
fact
of
how
thick
those
walls
are
so
the
building
wall
that
set
back
from
the
street
25
feet.
If
I'm
breeding
this
right,
it
appears
like
the
concrete
wall
might
only
be
20
feet
back
from
the
feet.
Some
of
these
look
like
they're
four
to
five
feet
thick
nick.
Is
that
correct.
H
No,
I
think
this
was
a
misrepresentation
of
what
we're
trying
to
do.
We're
gonna
have
a
one
foot
four
and
a
half
inch
thick
concrete
wall.
That's
gonna
be
so
gridline
a
is
the
setback,
but
this
is
a
bad
misrepresentation.
Okay,.
B
B
I
would
like
to
recognize
that
that
the
applicant
really
did
listen
to
the
committee.
I
wasn't
at
the
last
committee
meeting,
so
I
wasn't
able
to
make
comments
but
reading
through
those
minutes,
but
I
think
it's
just
tremendous
that
that
the
mourinhos
are
being
neighborly
by
removing
the
pickleball
court.
I
think
that
that
just
solves
a
whole
slew
of
issues.
I
think
the
new
driveways
are
a
great
improvement
to
just
have
the
one
driveway
entrance
instead
of
the
two
up
top.
B
I
think
that
the
wall
there's
definitely
positives
in
both
discussions
about
if
it
keeps
a
flat
top
or
if
it
has
a
stair-stepping
top.
I
think
that
architecturally
this
could
be
a
really
important
building
for
this
town.
It's
very
significant,
it's
very
unique
and
knowing
that
it
appears
the
neighbors
are
in
favor
of
this
building
makes
it
much
easier
for
me
to
accept
the
fact
that
the
the
wall
is
a
little
taller
than
I
think
it
should
be,
but
I
can
understand
the
concept
behind
both
sets
of
comments.
C
I
have
a
comment:
rule
go
down,
take
your
time.
I
actually
think
it's
a
really
nice
looking
building
and,
I
think
it'll
add
a
lot
of
interest
to
the
city
and
especially
that
part
of
rose
avenue.
I
think
it's
a
great
building.
I
just
I
do
have
a
hard
time
with
it
being
so
close
to
the
street,
but
I
I
get
where
they're
coming
from,
but
I
think
it's
it
can.
I
think
it's
really
interesting
property,
I'm
in
full
support
of
it.
B
D
You
know
I,
when
they
get
into
the
actual
construction
and
grading
of
the
site,
they're
going
to
generate
a
lot
of
boulders,
and
so
I
think
if
they
can
integrate,
you
know
what
they're
proposing
here
and
then
that
area
between
the
monolithic
walls
in
the
street
you
know
could
take
on
a
really
great
character.
You
know
with
the
boulders
and
the
landscaping
that
could
have
a
dramatic
effect
along
the
street
frontage,
so
I
encourage
them
that
that
they
could
do
that.
B
Do
we
have
a
motion
robert.
F
Yeah
I'll
move
to
approve,
as
with
the
submitted
revisions.
D
B
L
Thank
you
chair,
so
the
aac
reviewed
this
project
on
april
19th
and
had
a
couple
comments.
One
was
that
you
did
not
like
the
signs
that
were
in
the
window,
any
kind
of
graphics.
You
wanted
to
eliminate
and
revise
the
pylon
sign
off
of
the
I-10
off-ramp
off
of
on
garnett
and
then
the
wall.
Graphic
food
graphic
on
the
east
facing
wall
would
be
split
into
two.
Smaller
wall
signs
50
square
feet
each.
So
let
me
share
my
screen
here
and
we'll
go
over
just
a
brief.
L
There
we
go
so
this
is
the
pilot
aerial
photograph
showing
garnett
avenue
in
indian.
As
you
know,
the
travel
center
is
services,
long-haul
trucks
and
passengers,
cars
that
have
the
fueling
station
in
the
front
and
also
the
truck
fueling
in
the
rear
and
we've
already
seen
this.
But
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
letter
I
is
the
pylon
sign
that
they
are
proposing,
which
is
a
new
sign
which
we
discussed
last
time.
L
So
this
is
an
elevation
of
the
front
you'll
notice
that
the
food
graphic
has
been
split,
divided
into
two
signs.
That
was
a
recommendation
of
the
ac
there's,
a
better
closer
graphic,
they're
98
square
feet.
Well,
together,
98
square
feet
so
they're
under
what
the
aac
had
requested
under
50
square
feet
each
they.
We
discussed
the
pylon
sign
at
the
west
point
of
the
property
they
did
not
eliminate.
L
However,
they
lowered
it
to
14
feet
three,
so
this
will
have
the
pilot
sign
in
the
main
tenant
and
then
the
fuel
pricing,
which
is
a
requirement
for
these
types
of
signs.
So
I
wanted
to
mention
that
the
pilot
monument
sign
is
600
some
feet
from
the
corner
of
the
lot
where,
if
we
go
back
to
the
aerial
current
monument
sign
is
here
at
the
corner
and
when
the
property
was
developed
at
the
time,
the
off
ramps
were
not
coming
off
of
the
I-10
to
the
west.
L
L
It's
620
feet
across
the
garnet
frontage
and
staff
believes
that
by
adding
a
sign
here,
a
pylon
sign,
it
will
not
be
overcrowding
or
too
much
signage
along
barnett
being
that
this
existing
sign
is
600
some
feet
away
so
looking
at
existing.
What
is
there
in
the
building?
Currently,
we've
seen
all
these
images.
From
last
time,
chair
staff
supports
the
recommendation,
and
that
concludes
my
report.
L
That's
correct,
so
this
would
approve
all
signs
that
were
in
the
previous
package
staff
just
focused
on
the
revisions
that
the
aec
had
made
a
recommendation
on.
K
F
Glenn,
do
you
know
the
property
to
the
west
of
this
between
their
property
and
the
off-ramp?
Is
that
privately
held,
or
is
that
part
of
the
caltrans
right-of-way.
L
F
And
then
just
one
other
thing,
and
maybe
the
applicant
will
answer
it,
but
I'll
ask
you
anyway,
on
the
graphics
in
the
front
of
the
building.
There's
the
two:
the
two
signs
sit
in
a
white
in
the
elevation.
That's
included
in
the
packet
sit
yeah
on
a
white
background
as
opposed
to
what
appears
to
be
either
tile
or
wood.
Slatting.
Do
you
know
what
that
white
material
is.
L
Right
the
the
applicant
is
on
the
on
the
zoom
column.
Can
answer
that
stephen
rosenberg.
B
K
Good
evening
my
name
is
steve
rosenblum
and
I'm
with
national
sign
marketing
corporation.
I
represent
pilot
appreciate
you
having
me
back
again
and
being
able
to
do
it
so
quickly,
so
we've
we.
We
took
the
comments
that
we
received
and
wanted
to
really
follow
them.
What
we
thought,
hopefully
exactly
as
to
what
you're
looking
for
number
one.
K
We
originally
had
a
pylon
sign
out
on
garnet
avenue.
We
reduced
that
down
to
a
monument
we
were
focused
on
making
sure
the
sign
was
obviously
still
visible
and
the
other
thing
is.
We
want
to
get
it
up
at
least
high
enough
to
where
it's
less
likely
to
be
subject
to
vandalism.
K
So
we
didn't
want
to
go
as
high
as
it
was,
but
wanted
to
make
sure
it
was
kind
of
a
a
good
height
to
really
fit
the
site
and
communicate
to
that
truck
traffic,
and
I
I
think
what
you'll
see
here
is
hopefully
exactly
what
you
asked
for
just
the
fuel
brand
and
the
fuel
pricing
and
no
other
signage
on
that
sign.
K
K
We've
now
revised
that
to
98
square
feet
with
two
seven
foot
by
seven
foot
panels,
spaced
apart
at
one
foot,
so
it
still
fits
really
well
on
the
elevation,
the
way
it
was
designed-
and
that
was
one
of
the
comments
that
I
think
one
of
the
commissioners
made
was
that
wall
was
really
designed
for
that,
and
so
that's
kind
of
what
we
wanted
to
do
there
and
as
far
as
the
comment
regarding
the
white
background,
that's
just
because
we're
given
the
files
by
the
architect,
I'm
sure
it'll,
be
the
the
you
know
the
building
finishes.
K
We
just
don't
have
the
capability
to
add
that
back
in
from
the
architect.
B
Thank
you,
mr
rosenblum.
Any
questions
from
staff
for
the
applicant
excuse
me
any
questions
from
the
committee
for
the
applicant.
B
A
Nope
no
one's
requested
to
speak.
B
I
I
I
think
they
listened
well
to
our
comments.
I
I
didn't
realize
that
the
off-ramp
that
was
shown
on
the
old
aerial
no
longer
exists
and
is
replaced
by
an
off-ramp
that's
much
further,
south
or
west.
I
guess
it
might
be
so
I
can
see
the
need
for
the
sign.
B
However,
I
do
feel
that
nobody's
going
to
see
it
until
they've
already
pulled
off
the
road,
so
I
think
most
truckers
probably
know
that
this
facility
is
here,
but
with
the
680
plus
or
minus
foot
separation
between
this
corner
of
the
property
and
the
other
corner
of
the
property.
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
have
this
sign.
I
mean
this.
This
property
could
have
been
cut
in
half
and
then
two
different
businesses
would
have
each
had
a
sign
like
this.
So
I
I
can
support
this.
F
Robert
yeah,
I
I
would
agree
with
you
the
chair
jakeway.
The
only
stipulation
I
would
make
is
that
we
make
sure
that,
on
the
front
wall,
art
that,
in
fact
it
is
that
whatever
that
material
is
on
the
pop
out
is
consistent
and
the
wall
art
sits
on
that
that
there's
not
another
material.
There.
B
D
I
just
have
one
more
question
all
right
tom
with
with
the
construction
of
the
new
monument
signs
and
some
of
the
other
improvements
is
there.
Maybe
this
is
more
towards
staff.
Any
requirement
for
refurbishing
the
landscaping,
as
some
of
these
areas
will
be
disturbed.
L
Well,
whenever
they
construct
the
sign
itself,
they
will
disturb
the
the
ground
and
they'll
have
to
replace
it.
As
far
as
what
will
be
around
the
sign.
It's
probably
right
now
is
native
desert.
L
You
know
grass
or
dirt
and
other
things.
So
if
the
committee
would
like
to
have
a
border
around
it
or
have
some
sort
of
rock
or
rubble
around
the
base,
that's
that
would
be
a
recommendation.
B
B
Number
five
grit
development
for
a
minor
architectural
application
for
the
construction
of
a
new
seven
foot
tall
wall
to
enclose
an
existing
courtyard
for
the
construction
of
a
pool
area
as
part
of
an
adaptive
reuse
of
an
office
retail
building
to
a
sweet
hotel
located
at
125
east
chocolates
canyon
way.
May
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please.
D
Excuse
me,
mr
chairman,
I
would
like
to
recuse
myself
from
this
item,
as
I
have
a
working
relationship
with
the
developer.
B
Thank
you,
mr
rotman.
We
still
do
have
a
majority
available,
so
we
can
proceed.
Staff
report
correct.
B
A
And
I
should
note
that
that
conflict
was
not.
There
was
no
conflict
with
the
previous
review
of
this
item.
L
The
wall
have
penetrations
or
colonnades
with
proportions
portions
of
the
wall,
taller
for
good
design,
elements
that
the
designs
did
not
maximize
or
focus
on
the
corner
and
then
provide
some
entry
into
the
courtyard
itself.
So
just
to
remind
what
is
what
staff
is
using
to
analyze
the
project,
the
city
has
a
downtown
urban
design
plan
and
we
evaluate
these
projects
based
upon
certain
goals,
such
as
structures
placed
on
the
street
corners
to
find
the
street
edge,
create
a
visual
and
pedestrian
interest
that
has
a
special
design
feature
and
detailing.
L
So
these
are
some
of
the
elements
that
were
used
to
evaluate
this
project
so
just
to
remind
everyone.
This
is
at
the
corner.
The
plaza
les
flores
building
is
at
the
corner
of
indian
and
tacowitz
and
passes
through
also
to
nor
south
palm
canyon
drive.
So
the
actual
area
that
we're
looking
at
is
the
corner
of
indian
north,
south,
north
and
south,
indian
and
tsakowicz
canyon.
Currently
there's
a
palapa,
that's
there
and
then
a
courtyard
behind
it.
L
So
there
are
some
photographs
that
show
the
type
of
wood,
the
type
of
concrete
work
that
is
around
the
windows,
some
of
the
arches,
the
tie
of
the
barrel
tiles
and
the
iron
work
itself
and
some
of
the
windows.
These
are
just
to
show
the
aec.
Currently,
what
is
there
at
the
building?
L
Previously
you
reviewed
the
floor
plan
showing
where
the
the
proposal
for
the
conversion
of
the
building
to
a
suite
hotel.
We
discussed
that
at
the
last
meeting
and
the
applicant
talked
about
how
that
would
operate.
So
these
are
just
here
for
in
a
directional
or
to
remind
everyone
where,
where
we
were
so
once
again,
the
courtyard
would
be
fenced
walled,
there'd,
be
a
swimming
pool
with
cabanas
for
the
occupants
of
the
new
renovated
renovated
hotel.
L
So
when
staff
went
back
and
talked
to
the
applicant,
we
asked
them
to
do
a
traditional
wall
that
used
elements
of
the
building
that
would
highlight
some
the
corner,
but
yet
provide
landscaping
and
step
back.
So
there
would
be
a
softer
edge
as
the
wall
meets
the
sidewalk,
and
these
are
the
designs
that
the
applicant
has
come
back
with.
So
it
uses
some
of
the
elements,
so
the
archways,
the
columns
iron
work
that
would
be
taken
directly
from
the
building
itself.
L
L
So
the
next
option
was
the
architect
submitted
this
design,
which
we're
calling
arches,
which
shows
a
six
foot
tall
wall.
That
is
soft
masonry
and
it
has
these
arch
elements
with
wood,
colored
frames
that
match
the
building,
railings
and
so
forth.
So
you'll
see
there
are
planters
that
would
define
the
corners
and
the
edges
of
the
sidewalk
3d,
rendering.
L
One
other
thing
that
the
applicant
would
like
the
aec
to
review.
This
was
not
in
your
packet,
but
it's
here,
for
you
today
are
a
repaint
of
the
building,
so
they
want
to
repaint
the
building.
These
different
color
whites,
which
are
shown
on
the
bottom
of
the
slide
ambient
white
crystal
cut
a
new
house,
white,
polar
bear
and
palawas
white,
so
they
would
be
using
these
white
trims
around
the
building
itself
to
freshen
and
lighten
up
the
building,
they're,
also
proposing
several
windows.
L
Let
me
point
to
one:
this
is
a
new
window
here
that
will
be
above
the
courtyard
it'll,
be
consistent
in
design
as
to
the
other
two
that
are
there
now
there'll,
be
a
new
glass
store
front
and
door
inserted
to
match
the
second
floor,
then
a
tile
roof,
renewed
windows
to
be
set
and
centered
on
the
arches
on
the
first
floor
below
and
they'll
be
matching
themselves.
So,
if
you
remember,
there
was
comments
about
when
you
convert
the
building
into
a
hotel.
L
What
other
kind
of
elements
would
you
need
to
do,
and
this
is
adding
these
additional
windows
are
requested
on
the
interior?
There's
a
interior
atrium.
The
picture
on
the
left
is
currently
what's
there
and
they're,
proposing
to
redo
the
skylights
to
a
clear
glass,
and
that
is
the
design
on
the
right.
L
I'm
sorry
opposite
left
and
right
there
we
go
so
the
landscape
plan
shows
the
types
of
plants
that
would
be
inside
and
along.
The
perimeter.
L
B
Thank
you
glenn.
I
have
a
question
when
I
was
at
the
site
today.
I
noticed
on
the
tower.
The
tile
has
been
removed
and
it
looks
like
there's
asbestos
shingles
up
there
now
was
that
ever
discussed
with
the
planning
department
to
remove
the
existing
tile.
L
J
Hi,
sorry,
I'm
an
architect.
I
can
answer
that
question
that
those
of
those
aren't
on
so
we
are
proposing
on
this
image.
You
can
see
for
the
clay
towels
to
be
replaced,
so
those
have
fallen
off
those
clay
tiles.
At
the
moment,
it's
just
exposed
the
roof.
So
we're
looking
at
trying
to
replace
those
and
that's
what
that
image
illustrates.
There
is
then
being
reintroduced.
B
Okay
committee,
any
other
questions
for
the.
B
J
Great
hi
everyone,
I'm
michael
casivas,
from
camp
studios
architect.
I
just
wanted
to
start
off
by
saying
that
I
really
enjoyed
the
conversation
we
had
last
time.
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
different
opinions
and
a
lot
of
different
ideas
about
what
we
should
or
shouldn't
be
doing
and
trying
to
take
those
on
hard
and
really
work
towards
obtaining
a
wall
design
that
everyone
could
be
happy
with
and
and
work
with,
and
that
the
city
was
happy
with
as
well.
J
We
worked
closely
with
glenn
trying
to
arrive
at
a
design
that
meets
the
various
downtown
design
guide.
So
really
looking
focusing
on
those
comments
that
we
received
last
time.
So
again
we
presented
two
different
ideas.
I
think
there
were
some
kind
of
you
know
as
we
presented
two
ideas
last
time,
there's
a
lot
of
different
ideas
and
kind
of
recommendations
about
what
we
should
do.
So
the
kind
of
the
clarity
of
direction
might
not
have
been
there,
but
we
kind
of
look.
J
You
know
try
to
work
with
that,
and
I
think
one
thing
that
really
stuck
with
me
was
that
is
there
a
fourth
way
that
we
haven't
looked
at
based
upon
the
other
kind
of
things
that
we
had
looked
at
previously.
So
that's
really
where
the
arch
wall
design
came
from
and.
J
So
that's
really
where
the
archwall
design
came
from
was
looking
at
the
proportions
of
the
existing
arches
on
the
building,
they're
kind
of
tall
and
thin
with
a
very
rounded
top,
obviously,
and
then
picking
up
that
proportion
and
creating
quite
a
you
know,
bold
design
with
that
that
we
could
insert
these
wood
louvers
in
between
to
create
the
kind
of
not
only
the
visual,
but
also
the
kind
of
sense
of
space
between
the
courtyard
and
the
street
itself.
So
that
was
really
trying
to
to
create
that
visual
relationship
between
the
two
different
spaces.
J
The
wall
itself
is
also
staggered
and
planned
again,
so
you
have
breaks
in
the
wall.
So
it's
not
just
a
hard
wall
coming
down
along
the
sidewalk
and
you
get
these
breaks
between
the
wall.
Looking
in
and
out
of
spaces,
we
introduced
the
planters
at
the
foot
of
the
walls
as
well,
so
there
is
a
kind
of
gradation
between
the
wall
itself
and
how
that
hits
the
sidewalk.
So
we
introduce
the
planters
to
kind
of
put
that
in
and
there's
a
variety
of
different
heights
along
with
centers
in
relation
to
the
street.
J
There
is
a
large
larger
scale
arch
focused
on
the
corner,
to
kind
of
pick
up
the
the
comments
from
the
city
about
creating
some
kind
of
focus
on
the
corner
and
now
something
kind
of
worked
with
them
to
kind
of
achieve,
so
that
was
really
kind
of
the
goal
between
the
the
arch
wall
design
that
we
looked
at
to
kind
of
create
that
kind
of
pedestrian
scale
as
well.
J
We
also
took
you
know,
had
conversations
with
myself
and
glenn
had
conversations
about
what
direction
we
should
go
for
the
design,
so
we
it
did
include
the
kind
of
a
traditional.
I
call
it
traditional
design,
but
it
kind
of
that's
my
word,
but
it's
kind
of
you
know
a
wall
that
references
the
existing
building
in
the
very
obvious
way.
So
we
looked
at
the
kind
of
proportions
of
the
arches
there
as
well.
There
is
a
colonnade
up
on
the
second
floor
of
the
building
and
that
kind
of
lends
itself
to
a
pedestrian
aspect.
J
So
we
look
at
introducing
that
colonnade
on
both
sides
of
the
building.
That
also
creates
a
kind
of
variety
in
the
height
of
the
wall,
so
you
have
the
arches
that
peak
over
the
top
of
the
wall
and
the
columns
that
come
down
that
reflect
the
existing
columns
of
the
building
itself.
We
also
picked
up
on
the
detailing
of
the
wall,
so
there
is
the
cornicing
in
the
moldings
and
kind
of
the
base.
J
The
wall
picks
up
on
the
existing
features
of
the
building
itself
and
then
really
try
to
kind
of
create
a
focal
point
again
with
a
larger
scale,
arch
and
picking
up
on
the
the
piles
of
the
dome
on
the
roof,
so
creating
kind
of
a
pattern
that
reflected
that
as
well
and
so
and
then
also.
E
J
At
kind
of
there's,
this
kind
of
iron
lanterns
that
are
on
the
building
so
looking
at
those
and
picking
those
and
placing
those
onto
the
wall
itself
as
well
to
kind
of
create
a
visual
break
in
the
wall
and
also
give
it
some
depth.
Both
walls
are
kind
of
stepped
off
back
from
the
sidewalk,
so
there
is
a
kind
of
a
zone,
a
buffer
zone
for
planters
and
planter
beds
to
occur
and
situate
within
that,
I
think,
there's
also
kind
of
the
variety
and
the
height
and
the
arch
wall
as
well.
J
You
get
kind
of
some
steps
and
breaks
from
that.
I
think
one
of
the
points
also
that
was
raised
at
the
last
meeting
was
this
idea
of
you
know
a
pedestrian
gates
or
entry
into
the
courtyard
itself,
so
there
are
pedestrian
gates
at
either
end
of
the
wall.
So
there's
one
on
the
the
far
side
and
one
on
the
other
far
sides.
J
There
are
pedestrian
gates
that
lead
into
the
space
itself
from
the
streets
and
so
that
that
kind
of
was
addressed
and
something
that
we
did
look
at,
there's
also
the
attention
inside
the
building.
So
I
think
there
was
conversations
about
a
spanish
courtyard.
You
know
that
kind
of
feel
that
you
get
inside
the
building.
There
is
intense
inside
the
building
itself.
There's
the
atrium
picture
that
you
saw
that
space
will
become
a
public
space
that
will
have
access
to
the
the
kind
of
the
coffee
space.
The
barb
stays
behind.
J
That
there'll
also
be
another
retail
space
in
the
back
there,
so
that
kind
of
internal
space,
double
height
atrium
functions
as
the
kind
of
the
courtyard
for
the
building.
It's
that
whole
rival
sequence
into
the
building
is
something
that
will
be
looked
at
and
considered.
So
we
definitely
took
on
board
that
comment
about
the
courtyard
and
thought
about.
Where
would
be
the
best
place
to
incorporate
that
into
the
design,
and
that
was
looking
at
that
central
atrium
space
in
the
middle
of
the
building.
J
The
ideas
about
the
paints
were
not
to
use
five
different,
color
paints.
It
was
more
about
saying
that
I
think
the
best
solution
in
picking
the
paint
color
is,
you
know,
painting
some
samples
on
the
building,
so
I
just
kind
of
reference
five
different
colors.
So
once
the
construction
happens,
you
know
there
will
be
some
samples
that
are
painted
on
the
building
to
make
sure
we
get
the
right
color
and
everyone's
happy
the
right
color.
J
So
that
was
really
just
saying
that
we
are
do
intend
to
repaint
the
building,
but
there
will
be
an
option
and
kind
of
investigation
about
it.
You
know
once
you
start
building
something
you
know
you
gotta
start
doing
samples
and
kind
of
doing
things
like
that.
You
get
a
much
better
feel
for
the
project
itself.
The
new
windows
have
been
introduced
and
that's
just
integrated
itself
with
the
bedrooms
and
the
hotel
spaces
behind,
and
then
the
final
one
was
just
that.
That's
that
was
not
about
replacing
the
existing
glass
with
clear
glass.
J
The
idea
is
to
take
off
that
glass
completely,
so
the
roof
is
opened
up
to
the
sky,
and
that
gets
natural
daylight
down
into
that
courtyard.
That
I
was
talking
about
the
atrium
there's
also
units
long
head
suites
facing
that
internal
space
as
well.
So
opening
up
the
roof
brings
some
natural
daylight
into
that
space
and
opens
it
up
to
the
sky
as
well.
So
it
kind
of
makes
it
if
neil
feel
more
of
an
outdoor
space
in
indoor
space,
so
that
was
kind
of
things
we
looked
at.
J
Like
I
say
you
know,
I
really
enjoyed
the
conversation
we
had
last
time.
I
thought
it
was
really
great
and
I
tried
to
really
work
with
the
comments
that
we
got
back
and
kind
of
developed
two
different
ideas
for
design
that
addressed
both
of
those
comments
that
we
got
and
the
kind
of
scope
of
them,
and
I
thought
something
developed,
something
that
really
kind
of
works
for
the
building
itself,
but
also
relates
to
the
street
and
also
to
the
pedestrian
scale
of
the
project.
J
So
that's
really
what
we
work
with,
and
I
think
what
we're
really
trying
to
do
here
is,
I
think,
also
one
thing
to
remind
ourselves:
is
that
really
the
goal
of
the
project
here
is
to
reinvigorate
and
bring
the
building
back
to
life?
So
that's
really
kind
of
the
aspect
you
know
the
goal
of
the
project
is
thinking
about
the
fight
as
a
whole,
and
you
know
what
can
we
do
to
create
a
life
for
this
quite
difficult
building?
That
is
landlocked
and
hidden
behind.
There's
no
obvious
street
frontage.
J
There's
no
obvious,
you
know
retail
space,
so
you
know
how
do
we
reinvigorate
this
building
and
make
it
contribute
to
downtown
palm
springs
again,
and
I
think
that's
really
what
the
goal
of
the
project
is
and
what
we're
really
trying
to
achieve,
and
in
terms
of
the
design
and
the
scale
things
like
that,
we're
open
to
all
sorts
of
suggestions.
I
don't
think
we're
set
on
any
one
route.
J
You
know
we
are
very
happy
to
take
on
board
all
considerations
and
really
work
with
everyone
to
get
a
design
that
works,
that
everyone's
happy
with
you
keep
pool
on.
The
corner
is
important
for
the
use
of
the
building.
That's
where
you
get
sunlight
as
we
get
daylight
so,
but
in
terms
of
the
design
and
the
detailing,
there's
all
things
that
we're
happy
to
have
conversations
with
it
with
everyone
about
and
really
work
with
you
to
achieve
that.
J
But
I
think
you
know
it's
worth
bearing
in
mind
that
the
goal
of
the
project
is
to
bring
this
building
back
to
life
and
have
it
contribute
to
downtown
palm
springs
in
a
positive
way.
So
that's
that's
the
presentation
and
kind
of
where
we
were
in
terms
of
the
science.
I
welcome
and
look
forward
to
hearing
your
thoughts
and
ideas
of
the
project
and
taking
on
board
and
considerations
that
you
might
have.
B
Thank
you,
michael
yeah.
We're
gonna
have
comments
from
the
audience
in
just
a
minute,
but
I
have
a
question
for
glenn,
I'm
very
confused
about
the
paint
have
they
submitted
a
plan
that
shows
all
the
paint
colors
where
it
goes
and
what
it
is.
Are
we
just
commenting
on
a
general
concept
of
repainting
the
building?
What's
our
what's
our
mission
here.
L
Right
so
from
here
from
michael's
presentation,
they're
offering
these
are
possible
colors.
So
obviously
they
need
to
pin
this
down
before
we
can.
J
I
guess
the
approach
behind
that
was
in
a
way
that
I
kind
of
you
know
have
done.
A
lot
of
project
is
to
do
some
paint
samples
on
the
building
during
construction
and
make
a
decision.
While
that's
happening,
and
it's
not.
You
know,
I
think
the
intention
was
to
paint
it
the
color
white
rather
than
saying
it's
going
to
be
this
exact
white.
J
It
was
about
saying
that
you
know
this
is
what
we
want
to
achieve,
but
until
you
start
to
kind
of
start
that
process,
it's
always
a
decision
that
you
want
to
make
with
lots
of
different
things
at
the
same
time.
So
it's
more
about
saying
these
are
some
five
possibilities
of
paint
samples
that
we
want
to
go
down
the
route
and
you
know
have
the
the
the
idea
of
repainting
the
building
approved
and
then
the
actual
selection
of
the
color
is
something
that
we
can.
You
know
revisit
and
have
more
discussions
about.
B
Okay,
thank
you
michael
now's,
a
moment
for
public
comments
from
the
audience.
Mr
newell,
do
we
have
any
people
in
the
waiting
room
to
make
comments.
A
B
Well,
let
me
just
start
of
the
one
two
three
four
five
six
comments
that
we
made
that
are
documented
here
from
the
last
meeting.
I
don't
think
any
of
them
are
really
met.
I
mean
they
did
the
second
comment
of
a
traditional
wall
style.
I'd
say:
yes,
the
the
one
design
matches
that,
but
to
maximize
the
potential
of
the
corner,
to
reduce
the
size
of
the
space
to
create
an
entry
or
courtyard
space
to
make
it
more
open
to
pedestrians
so
that
they
can
see
the
entry
to
the
hotel
have
penetrations
in
the
wall.
B
B
I
mean
I,
I
think
our
comment
about
an
outdoor
plaza
was
that
it
would
be
kind
of
a
semi-public
space
by
taking
a
skylight
off
on
the
interior
of
the
building
and
saying
that,
that's
a
plaza,
I
think
that's
a
bit
of
a
stretch,
and
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
that
this
corner
softens
the
entire
project
to
both
indian
avenue
and
chocolates
and
gives
this
project
a
more
friendly
approach
to
the
city.
By
putting
up
the
wall.
I
think
it's
doing
the
opposite.
B
I
I
It's
a
the
renovation
to
the
building
seems
like
a
creative
reuse
of
of
the
building.
That's
there,
which
I
appreciate
and
commend
them
for.
I
I'm
not
sure
that
I
think
the
new
wall
design
is
a
great
improvement
over
what's
there,
but
I
I
don't
know
that
I
to
I
guess
I
just
wrestle
with
it.
I
either
trying
to
create
a
courtyard
out
at
this
for
the
pool
area
out
on
this
corner
and
I'm
not
sure
that
I've
got
a
problem
with
that.
J
I
J
Yeah
and
I
think
what
we've
tried
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
trying
to
create
you
know
a
plaza
or
or
something
you
know
along
the
corner
there,
and
I
totally
understand
and
appreciate
where
you're
coming
from.
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
you
know
not
have
that
compromise.
The
pool
of
the
hotel
and
kind
of
you
know
how
do
you?
J
So
it's
not
just
you
know
this
concrete
wall
along
the
sidewalk,
but
there
is
planting
there
is
softening
to
it.
There
is
a
visual
connection
between
the
two
different
spaces
that
you're
relating
to
different
spaces
too.
So
it's
really
trying
to
you
know
mitigate
that
boundary
between
one
space
and
the
other
and
try
to
do
it
kind
of
a
creative
way.
So
I
think
you
know
the
the
the
kind
of
if
we
were
gonna
put
a
plaza
on
the
corner
there.
J
I,
I
don't
think
that's
successful
project,
because
the
reason
why
I
say
that
is
it's
a
corner
that
no
one's
really
ever
going
to
go
and
sit
at
there's.
There's
kind
of
you
know
the
the
plazas
on
pumpkin
and
driver
are
very
successful
because
you
have
you
know
this
footfall,
there's
retail,
there's
all
these
other
things
happening.
J
That's
not
the
same
condition
that
we
have
on
the
street
this
street
is,
you
know
it
doesn't
have
that
kind
of
retail
experience
that
palm
canyon
drive
has
so
putting
a
plaza
for
people
to
come
and
sit
out
in
the
sun
in
or
something
like
that
is
not
gonna.
It's
not
gonna
happen.
I
really
don't
see
that
for
seeing
that
as
being
an
active
space,
I
mean
it's
not
gonna.
J
Have
that
same
kind
of
activity
or
connection,
so
you
can
kind
of
create
benches
and
create
seating
areas,
but
you're
just
doing
it
to
create
seating
areas
that
no
one's
ever
really
going
to
use.
I
don't
see
that
as
being
something
that's
actually
going
to
happen.
You
know
no
one's
going
to
go,
walk
over
to
that
street
and
sit
in
a
plaza
in
that
corner
that
they
just
wouldn't
do
it.
J
So
I
can't
understand
the
kind
of
the
desire
to
mitigate
between
the
two
and
that's
why
the
kind
of
the
visual
connections
or
the
kind
of
not
making
it
feel
oppressive.
The
wall
design
became
very
important,
and
that
was
that
was
the
goal
of
it.
You
know,
thinking
about
you
know:
how
do
we
make
space
of
this
this
corner
thing
and
have
it
be
contributing
to
something
I
mean
I
think
putting
applause
on
the
corner
is
not
going
to
contribute
to
anything
from
an
urban
sense.
J
J
So
I
think
that
you
know
that
you
know
regenerating
and
refurbishing
the
whole
entire
building
and
using
that
pool
and
having
it
there
is,
is
kind
of
very
important
to
it,
and
then
you
get
the
question
is:
how
do
you
design
a
wall
that
isn't
oppressive
that
doesn't
cut
off
the
building
cut
off
from
the
street
and
that's
the
kind
of
conversation
you
know
in
my
mind?
That's
what
makes
it
a
success.
B
Thank
you,
committee
members.
Do
we
have
any
dan.
C
J
It
does
I
mean
I'm
kind
of
trying
to
set
the
pool
as
far
away
from
the
building
as
possible.
Obviously
so
there
is
there's
kind
of
outdoor
dining
space
in
the
band
and
kind
of
landscaping
closest
to
the
building
and
when
we
try
to
set
the
pool
as
far
away
from
that,
so
that
you
know
there
is,
there
is
land
there,
sunshine,
that's
going
to
fall
on
that
pool,
and
it's
going
to
be.
J
C
Because
it
seems
like
a
kind
of
like
a
conflict
of
what
you're
trying
to
do
here,
you're
trying
to
put
a
pool
which
is,
if
I
was
staying
at
the
hotel
and
I
was
going
to
be
laying
around
the
pool.
I'd
want
to
have
some
privacy
and
then
we'll
turn
around
saying.
We
want
penetrations
to
the
wall,
so
people
can
see
into
the
courtyard.
Well,
I
don't
know
if
I
was
a
guest,
the
hotel,
that
I'd
feel
comfortable
laying
out
if
people
could
watch
me
from
the
street.
J
Yeah
definitely
so
I
think,
there's
going
to
be
a
level
of
landscaping
and
all
that
within
the
wall
as
well.
So
I
think
you
know
how
you
design
the
the
screens
and
how
you
detail
that
to
create
that
privacy
is
important,
but
it's
more
about
the
kind
of
not
just
having
a
solid
wall
at
that
point,
so
you're
saying
that
you
can
put
layers
of
landscaping
inside
the
wall
to
prevent
that
overlooking
from
happening,
but
it
also
stops.
You
know
there
is
still
kind
of
a
visual
connection
between
the
two
different
spaces.
C
K
I
have
the
same
kind
of
comment
in
terms
of
you
know
to
make
this
project
viable.
It
feels
like
this
is
kind
of
a
necessity
for
the
site,
and
so
I
think
you
know
it
is
it
while
it
doesn't.
I
agree
that
you
know
just
making
a
public
courtyard
there
adjacent
to
a
building
without
any
function.
It
wouldn't
be
successful
as
well.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
kind
of
making
the
best
of
of
the
site
and
what
they
have
to
deal
with.
In
my
opinion,.
E
I
I
just
this:
this
has
a
root
disconnection
between
the
election
to
go
ahead
and
use
that
space
for
a
pool
and
the
fact
of
where
it
is
at
that
intersection,
and
I
it's
it's
kind
of
it's
too
bad,
because
I
think
that
it
doesn't
do
the
city
a
good
service
in
terms
of
the
goals
of
the
downtown
plan
and
the
animation
and
activity
that
happens
on
that
street
as
well
as
it's.
E
It
feels
very
forced
to
have
a
pool
there,
you're
conflicted
and
fighting
elements
of
trying
to
maintain
some
level
of
privacy.
I
think
dan
made
a
very
good
point
about
that
patrons
of
the
hotel
who
use
the
pool
and
want
to
sit
out
there.
It's
just
kind
of
a
conflict
and
yeah,
it's
just
it
this.
This
does
not
seem
like
a
wise
decision.
B
B
I
do,
though,
want
to
go
back
to
the
comment
that
was
made
in
our
first
discussion,
that
this
is
going
to
probably
be
most
likely
operating
as
a
function
of
the
rowan
hotel.
The
check-in
will
be
at
the
rowan.
The
service
will
be
from
the
rowan.
I
think
the
pool
should
be
at
the
rowing.
The
guests
in
this
building
should
use
that
pool
at
the
rowan,
and
it's
just
trying
to
squeeze
something
onto
this
corner
that
really
doesn't
belong
there.
L
So
chair,
you
could
make
a
motion
to
approve.
You
could
make
a
motion
to
remember.
This
motion
is
going
to
the
director
development
services.
L
B
So
to
be
clear,
because
this
is
our
second
review
of
this
project,
we
need
to
make
a
motion.
We
can't
make
a
continuance,
so
we
either
approve
or
deny.
If
we
deny
the
applicant
has
the
ability
to
appeal
that
to
the
planning
commission
or
if
we
approve
the
planning
director
can
implement
any
conditions
that
we
might
have
right.
L
So
your
your
recommendation
would
will
go
to
the
planning
the
development
director
development
services
and
he'll
make
the
decision
and
that
decision
could
be
appealable
to
the
planning
commission.
B
L
Or
improved
by
stuff,
that
could
be
one
of
your
your
recommendations.
If,
if
you
like
the
the
palette
of
colors
that
they're
proposing
you
could
make
a
motion
that
the
the
palette
of
of
whites
off
whites
could
be
approved
by
its
staff
level,
they
all
seem
to
be
very
similar
with
different
shades
of
grays
and
and
other
creams.
L
J
J
C
Sure
I
make
a
motion
to
deny
the
wall
but
to
go
ahead
and
prove
the
palette
of
the
paint
colors
and
addition
of
the
windows.
B
A
F
I
can
do
that.
You
may
need
to
help
me
with
the
script
a
little
bit
but
yeah.
Let
me
know
when
we're
ready
to
start.
A
I
think
we
are,
let's
see,
make
sure
we
have
all
of
the
members
back.
A
Okay,
we're
actually
waiting
for
mr
payline.
A
K
F
Hey,
it
is
708
and
we
are
continuing
with
the
architecture
advisory
committee
meeting
of
may
3rd
2021.
F
item
number
six
dtps
b3
llc,
requesting
review
of
a
proposed
ground
floor
activation
plan
associated
with
an
approved
major
architectural
application
to
construct
a
six-story,
73
300
square
foot,
mixed
use,
building
with
45
for
sale,
residences
and
ground
floor
commercial
located
on
block
b1
of
downtown
palm
springs.
Pacific
plan
at
the
northeast
corner
of
bellardo
and
museum
way.
200
north
gallardo
road.
D
Me,
mr
chairman,
I
would
like
to
request
to
recuse
myself
from
this
item,
as
I
have
a
working
relationship
with
the
developer.
A
Okay,
vice
chair
rahm
and
chair
jake
wayne
committee
members,
can
you
see
the
full
screen
of
my
presentation?
Are
you
getting
the
black
frame
around
it?
I.
F
B
A
Screen,
okay,
so
this
item
was
reviewed
previously
back
in
october
last
year
at
the
aac,
the
aec
recommends
denial
of
this
project.
Initially
it
has
changed
since
your
reviews
of
this
item,
when
the
planning
commission
reviewed
it
at
a
study
session,
they
recommended
some
comments
and
made
some
comments
about
the
project
and
then
the
app
or
the
applicant
and
developer
revised
the
development,
and
that
was
brought
back
to
the
planning
commission,
which
also
recommended
now
of
that
project
to
the
city
council.
A
On
january
14th
of
this
year,
the
city
council
did
approve
the
development
and
they
did
impose
a
condition
that
the
aac
was
to
review
the
ground
floor,
activation
of
the
development
and
an
enhancement
to
the
ground
floor
of
the
project
in
the
jsu
areas,
to
provide
a
more
lively
activity
for
the
development,
and
so
that
was
a
condition
that
they
had
proposed.
So
just
to
give
you
some
background,
this
is
the
project
that
was
reviewed
by
council
on
january
january
and
they
did
approve.
A
This
is
the
the
ultimate
design
that
was
approved.
This
is
the
ground
floor,
which
is
different
from
what
you
saw
back
in
september.
A
It
does
have
retail
on
museum
way,
which
is
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen,
as
well
as
in
grass
road,
which
is
on
the
right
side
of
the
screen,
so
the
app
can
in
response
to
the
before
I
get
into
that
here's
some
photographs
of
the
existing
conditions
as
they
are.
Currently,
you
can
see
that
the
sidewalk
spaces
have
been
installed
with
pavers.
A
They
have
the
site
lighting
installed,
and
so
you
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
what
the
current
condition
is
of
the
project.
So
you,
if
you're
looking
on
museum
way
the
left,
the
two
left
photos
you
see
if
you're
standing
from
bellardo
at
least
the
left
photo
is,
if
you
were
standing
on
belato
looking
east
on
museum
way
and
the
middle
photo
is,
if
you
were
standing
on
market
street
or
just
east
of
market
street,
looking
west
down
museum
way
towards
the
art
museum
on
the
right
side.
A
Here,
if
you're,
looking
kind
of
near
that
same
location
at
the
corner
of
market
street
in
museum
way,
this
is
looking
north
towards
the
emergency
access
road.
It's
it
is
a
closed
pedestrian
walkway.
But
in
the
event
there
was
an
emergency
there.
They
would
remove
the
the
two
posts
there
to
gain
access
to
any
service
calls.
That
may
be
some
other
photos
of
the
project.
A
So
in
response
to
the
city
council's
requirement
that
they
provide
some
ground
floor
activation.
The
applicant
has
proposed
what
you
see
here
on
the
screen
they're,
providing
a
number
of
meetings
that
you
are
shown
in
red
text
on
the
screen.
A
They're
proposing
utilities
for
vendors
on
the
water
road
side
of
the
project,
so
I'll
show
some
examples
of
what
they
kind
of
think.
What
their
vision
is
for
that
in
the
next
slide
and
then
as
well
on
bollard
they're,
proposing
some
of
the
cube
seating
and
the
cube
block
seats
that
you
see
elsewhere
in
the
project,
particularly
along
palm
canyon,
as
well
as
in
the
paseo
leading
from
chocolates
and
palm
canyon.
A
Up
to
museum
lane
on
bottom
road,
they're
proposing
to
install
an
art
pedestal
with
lighting
for
an
art
piece
along
that
street
frontage
and
then
on
market
street,
which
is
some
of
the
some
of
the
initial
photos.
I
showed
you
they're,
proposing
some
strand
lighting
between
those
two
buildings.
Here
you
can
see
in
the
kind
of
the
yellowish
lines
above
market
street,
as
well
as
replacing
the
existing
trees
that
are
on
market
street,
with
new
blue
palm
blue
palm
trees.
A
A
You
also
see
some
of
these
other
strand
lighting,
some
of
the
strand
lights
integrated
with
the
other
spaces
in
the
project,
so
that
would
also
kind
of
carry
forward
that
design
theme
through
market
street.
With
this
new,
this
new
lighting
they're
also
showing
some
changes
to
the
sidewalk
space
on
museum
way.
A
There
is
a
there
is
currently
concrete,
as
you
probably
saw
in
the
photograph,
so
that
would
be
replaced.
They
replaced
that
concrete
to
create
a
continuation
of
the
pedestrian
concrete
on
the
sidewalk
there.
A
So
that
is
another
change
that
they're
they're
looking
at
doing
and,
of
course,
there's
some
potential
for
tables
and
seats
on
both
sides
of
that
to
sail
just
depending
on
the
tenant
that
that
occupies
the
occupies
those
spaces.
A
So
I'm
going
through,
let's
see
okay,
so
here
are
some
photograph
depictions
of
what
what
the
kind
of
theme
would
be
to
enhance
the
pedestrian
experience
of
the
building,
there's
a
kind
of
some
vending
newsstands
and
then
do
setups
that
that
they
they're
looking
at
putting
out
along
the
lotto
road.
You
see
those
in
the
pictures
on
the
top
left,
top
right
and
bottom
left.
The
cube
seating
is
here
on
the
left
side
in
the
middle
and
then
the
lighting
theme
or
kind
of
example,
is
shown
on
the
middle
right.
A
A
So
so
that
really
summarizes
the
changes
that
they're
looking
at
doing
for
the
project
staff
would
recommend
that
whatever
lighting
is
installed,
the
strand
lighting
the
final
details
of
that
be
submitted
for
review
approval
before
that
is
integrated
or
final.
You
know
ultimately
integrated
into
the
project
just
so
it
doesn't
appear
as
an
app
for
the
fact
add-on.
It
should
be
an
integral
part
of
the
overall
design.
A
F
Thank
you.
Does
the
committee
have
any
questions
for
staff.
F
I
have
a
question
so
if
you
go
back
to
the
the
site
plan-
and
maybe
the
applicant
will
answer
this-
but
maybe
you
know
david-
there's
a
large
red
rectangle
over
on
the
bellardo
side.
Do
you
know
what
that
is
what
that
indicates.
A
Okay,
so
my
understanding
is,
that
is
going
to
be
so.
What
you
see
here
on
the
upper
left
is
what
is
kind
of
the
concept
here
on
the
bottom
left
image,
then
here
on
the
top
left
image
or
on
this
side
here
is
kind
of
what
they're
considering
for
this
location
and
if
I'm
incorrect,
I'm
sure
the
applicant
will
let
us
know,
but
that's
my
understanding.
F
Okay,
great
thank
you.
Okay
and
then
I
had
sent
you
a
couple
questions
and
you
responded
that
market
street
actually
is
a
closed
street
to
be
a
vehicular
traffic,
which
is
great,
and
then
I
asked
about
the
fire
department,
and
my
question
relates
to
the
tivoli
lighting
and
the
height
of
them,
and
whether
with
the
building,
I
think
is
six
stories
along
market
street.
Is
that
right.
A
A
We
did
send
this
to
the
fire
plans
reviewer
for
their
comment.
Their
initial
concern
was
that
it
just
needed
to
meet
the
minimum
clearance,
which
was
the
13
foot
six
inches
above
grade,
but
in
terms
of
access
accessibility
to
the
to
the
building
there.
Wasn't
they
didn't
have
any
concern
with
that.
A
F
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Does
anyone
else
in
the
committee
have
questions
and
I've
lost
sight
of
you
so
speak
up?
If
you
do
there,
you
go.
F
I
Can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
My
name
is
emily
hemphill.
I
am
the
land
use,
counsel
for
grit
development
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
couple
of
words
at
the
beginning,
because
this
is
coming
to
the
aac
procedurally
in
a
slightly
different
way
than
what
you
normally
look
at.
The
project
has
been
approved
by
the
council,
with
the
specific
proviso
that
we
come
back
to
you
with
with
a
specific
charge,
to
make
sure
that
we
can
energize
the
ground
floor
as
much
as
possible.
I
So,
within
the
context
of
that
limitation,
the
architects
have
have
come
up
with
some
ideas
and
and
they'll
be
coming
on
next
to
to
chat
with
you
about
those.
But
what
where?
One
of
the
other
reasons
the
council
wanted
it
to
come
back,
is
that
there
had
been
some
of
the
ground
floors
since
the
abc
had
last
seen
the
project.
I
So
we
just
wanted
to
focus
on
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
very
specific
charge
here.
It's
how
do
we
energize
the
ground
floor
and
then
I'll?
Let
the
architects
go
ahead
and
and
talk
about
how
they
see
the
changes
they've
made
responding
to
that
need
to
energize
the
area.
M
Hi,
my
name
is
bob
luther
I
represent
docent
associates
we're
working
with
the
developer
and
the
architectural
team
to
do
this
ground
level
design
plan.
So,
as
mentioned,
one
of
the
you
know,
key
features
is:
are
these
vendor
kiosks?
The
developer
wants
to
promote,
creating
that
active
frontage
between
this
building
and
the
future
park.
As
part
of
that,
the
developer
wants
to
provide
power
outlets
security,
but
not
necessarily
a
fixed
kiosk
system.
That
would
be
something
that
we
brought
in
by
outside
vendors.
M
So
they
want
to
provide
the
opportunity
so
that
it
can
be
seasonal.
It
can
be
specific
to
events
that
are
happening
at
the
park
or
within
town,
but
not
a
permanently
a
fixed
type
of
kiosk,
so
it
would
be
mobile
carts
that
could
come
in.
It
would
be
like
the
newsstand
that
was
shown.
It
could
be
small
food,
vendors
or
craft
vendors.
M
That
could
could
change
with
the
times
and
not
be
something
that's
so
static
and
fixed,
and
then
the
tivoli
lighting,
as
mentioned
we're
working
with
lighting
manufacturers
to
figure
out
the
heights
of
that
and
how
that
integrates
with
the
existing
lighting
it
has
eyelets
and
plugs
already
established.
So
establishing
that
height
is
something
that
we're
actively
working
on
right
now.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
Do
we
have
any
comments
from
the
public
on
this.
F
David,
as
you
know,
no
okay
there's
a
lot
of
people
watching,
so
I
just
thought
that
somebody
may
want
to
speak.
Okay.
So
now
we'll
go
to
questions
from
the
committee
to
the
applicant.
F
B
M
If
the
cart
was
small
enough,
that
it
would
be
removed
by
the
provider,
so
it
would
be
hooked
up
and
taken
away
at
night
and
stored
an
off
facility.
If
it
was
a
larger
cart,
there
would
be
lockdown
facilities
provided
so
that
it
could
be
locked
and
kind
of
boarded
up
in
place
and
then
opened
up
in
the
morning
by
whoever
is
operating.
Those
those
carts.
B
Along
market
street
in
the
existing
planters,
there's
some
nice
shade
trees
that
are
starting
to
grow
into
their
own
and
you're,
proposing
to
replace
those
with
blue
palm
blue
palms.
I
don't
understand
the
reasoning
to
take
away
the
shade
trees
from
this
area
and
replace
them
with
the
shorter
blue
palms.
M
The
the
building
itself
is
gonna,
you
know,
create
a
canyon
effect
in
there.
So
that's
gonna
provide
a
lot
of
shade.
The
palms
are
gonna,
be
a
little
bit
better
pedestrian
scale
than
those
shade
trees
and
not
going
to
conflict
with
the
building.
F
Committee,
okay,
all
right,
I
guess
that's
it!
So,
let's
have
committee
congress
committee
comments.
K
B
Well,
I
think
it's
a
real
improvement
that
along
bellardo
they
have
taken
what
had
been
a
little
kind
of
a
community
room
in
a
gym
and
make
that
into
a
one
of
the
more
high-end
galleries
that
exists
here
in
the
valley
to
take
the
corner
unit
out
at
market
street
and
make
that
into
commercial
space
I
think,
makes
total
sense.
So
I
think
they
are
making
the
lower
level
of
the
building
more
usable
from
people
off
the
site
along
the
bellardo
frontage
because
of
the
floor
level.
B
Changes
that
the
floor
level
isn't
really
close
to
the
sidewalk.
I
think
the
carts
create
the
capability
for
something
to
happen
there.
My
biggest
question,
I
think,
is
along
market
street
the
adjacent
building
to
the
east,
we're
basically
looking
at
the
back
doors
of
all
of
those
buildings.
I
mean
all
of
those
businesses
and
the
if
I'm
reading
the
plan
right,
the
lower
level
units
in
this
new
project,
the
backs
of
their
units
fake
market
street,
with
no
access
or
windows.
B
A
Mr
mr
chair
would
just
indicate
that
the
yapkin
will
be
installing
a
mural
on
that
wall,
so
I'm
not
sure
they'll
be
on
the
comments
about
it.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
just
a
blank
wall.
They
intend
to
have
that
as
a
as
a
as
an
art
exhibit.
F
All
right:
well,
I
I
just
maybe
this
is
back
to
the
applicant.
I
I
see
that
you're
enhancing
the
paving
at
market
street
along
museum
way.
Have
you
thought
about
doing
the
same
thing
at
the
other
end
at
andreas
road,
and
that
way
it
really
sort
of
creates
an
enclosure
for
market
street,
and
just
it's
just
an
idea,
because
that
also
has
bollard,
I
assume
and
and
if
you
really
want
to
create
this
as
an
event
space
or
or
give
it
a
sense
of
place.
F
I
think
it
might
help
to
actually
add
the
enhanced
paving
at
the
other
end
of
market
street.
Is
that
something
you
might
be
open
to.
F
Okay
and
then
I've
already
expressed
a
little
concern.
I
like
the
idea
of
the
tivoli
lights.
I
like
the
idea
that
you
kind
of
create
a
sense
of
place
along
market
street
because,
as
chairman
jakeway
stated,
I
mean
it
is
it
needs
some
activation
and
it
might
be
a
place
for
special
events.
I
do
have
concerns
and
that
will
get
worked
out
through
the
permit
process,
whether
the
tivoli
lights
actually
could
be
achieved
with
the
fire
department
and
their
latter
requirement,
because
you
are
six
stories
along
there.
C
Hey
robert,
I
have
a
comment.
This
is
dan.
Yes,
I
was
just
kind
of
wondering
you
know
what
the
vendor
carts.
Why
not
place
some
down
market
street,
because
you're,
putting
tables
kind
of
like
comments
said
but
they're
up
against
backs
of
buildings
that
are
kind
of
closed
off,
so,
if
you're
going
to
try
to
get
people
to
come
this
way,
I
think
that
some
vendor
carts
down
that
street
with
those
lights
would
be
a
good
idea.
C
F
Yeah,
I
wonder
well,
the
building
to
this
to
the
east
is
existing
and
I
don't
know
whether
they
have
the
utilities
available,
but
that,
but
that
side
looks
like
it
has
more
space
for
carts,
but
it
may
be
that
they
could
add
the
utilities
on
the
on
this
project
side,
and
maybe
they
could.
You
know,
bring
some
carts
in
at
some
future
time.
M
We
could
certainly
look
at
that.
The
one
fear
that
we
had
is
that
the
building
to
the
east
potentially
has
restaurants
or
competitive
businesses,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
upset
our
neighbors
by
you
know,
trying
to
take
over
and
promote
that
there.
If
it's
something
that
you
know,
we
just
need
to
put
the
the
utilities
there
for
possible
expansion
again,
that's
something
that
we
could
look
at,
but
really
this
was
something
to
energize
bellardo
across
from
the
park
and
and
create
that
energy
on
the
front
of
our
building.
M
A
K
I'll
just
add,
you
know
my
support,
because
my
biggest
problem
with
the
development
was
the
ground
floor
activation,
and
I
think
this
is
a
really
great
move
to
make
the
building
feel
less
ominous
on
the
street
level.
F
And
I
add
the
condition
to
add
enhanced,
paving
along
andreas.
M
F
A
F
Business,
mr
meister,
any
comment
committee
member
comments.