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A
All
right,
this
is
tuesday
december
8th.
It
is
two
o'clock
p.m,
and
this
is
a
meeting
of
the
sustainability
commission
ad
hoc
subcommittee
on
strategic.
So
this
is
our
first
meeting
and
we
have
commissioners
clark
and
friedman-
and
this
is
patrick
talarico
and
dan
degarmo
from
the
city
and
we're
waiting
for
one.
B
A
But
we're
going
to
go
ahead
and
get
started,
so
what
I
wanted
to
do
today
is
talk
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
our
charge
and
how
we
want
to
move
forward
every
time
I
think
about
this
topic.
It
gets
feels
like
it
gets,
bigger
and
scarier.
A
So
I
think
we
have
it's
going
to
be
a
big
job
over
the
next
year,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
do
latch
onto
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
happening
elsewhere.
So
so
anyway.
So
that's
that's
my
thought.
The
two
things
just
viably
a
background
so
again-
and
I
told
roy
this
yesterday,
but
you
know
when
I
first
started
here.
A
One
of
my
first
thoughts
is
that
you
know
the
the
sustainability
plan
is
going
to
be
coming
up
on
five
years
in
2021,
and
it's
probably
something
that
we
want
to
take
another
look
at
see
how
that's
going.
We
haven't
really
done
much
in
terms
of
looking
at
it
to
do
annual
reports
based
on
it
and
that's
something
we
can
think
about
going
forward
in
terms
of
trying
to
trying
to
keep
that
information
up
to
date
and
keep
information
flowing
about
progress
on
these
things.
A
But
there
are
clearly
some
things
in
here
that
are
probably
maybe
a
little
outdated
other
things
that
we
haven't
necessarily
even
tackled,
yet
so
they're
probably
still
ripe
for
discussion
so
anyway.
A
So
that's
certainly
one
area
of
focus
and
then
the
other
thing
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
going
forward
is
the
relationship
that
we
have
or
want
to
have
with
the
general
plan
moving
forward
and
so
kind
of
staying
abreast
of
their
the
work
that
they're
doing
and
figuring
out
how
we
play
in
that
realm
in
terms
of
getting
the
items
in
there
that
we
want
to
have
in
there
so
and
so
that'll
be
a
little
bit
of
a
comparison
project
of
trying
to
figure
out
what
we've
got
in
other
places
and
trying
to
get
it
into
that
general
plan
context
and
then
also
doing
doing
the
reverse
as
well.
A
I
think
to
see
what
else
is
in
the
general
plan,
if
we
want
to
say
anything
about
that,
so
so
anyway,
so
I
think
that's,
those
are
the
two
big
items,
but
then
there
are
all
these
other
little
plans
that
we've
got
going
on
as
well
that
we
need
to
try
to
somehow
bring
together
too
so
so
that
I
I
see
this
very
much
as
a
kind
of
a
coordination
exercise
as
well
as
content
development
exercise.
A
A
B
Well,
you
have
any
thoughts
first
and
then
I've
got
a
couple.
Thoughts.
Yeah
go
ahead
david.
You
did.
Okay,
I
think
you
said:
go
ahead
roy,
but
yes
go
ahead,
all
right!
Fine!
So
thank
you,
patrick,
because
those
are
the
two
issues
sort
of
just
a
bit
of
a
think.
So
I
think
roy
you
would
just
join
the
commission
when
the
sustainability
plan
was
approved
at
the
june
2016
council
meeting.
I
joined
it.
The
next.
C
B
Okay,
fine,
okay.
I
knew
it
was
right
around
that
time
that
you
you
had
started,
but
I
recall
because
it's
kind
of
seared
in
my
brain
council
member
coors
at
the
time
who
we
had
worked
with
because
he
and
mayor
moon,
were
our
liaisons
on
council
when
we
were
working
on
the
plan
and
when
council
voted
for
it
at
the
meeting.
Michelle
was
the
sustainability
coordinator
at
the
time
council.
Member,
of
course
had
said.
B
B
So
before
we
get
started
again
and
and
and
this
is
resource
intensive-
and
maybe
we
can
kind
of
divide
it
up
and
figure
out
how
to
do
that.
But
it
really
would
be
useful.
Since
we
haven't
really
done
a
an
annual
progress
report
before
we
get
started
on
redoing
the
plan,
you
know
updating
it
and
I
agree
with
you,
patrick
it
should
be
updated.
B
We
should
see
exactly
where
we
are.
What's
happened,
what
hasn't
happened?
Some
of
it
is
in
the
climate
action
report,
but
I
think
it
really
should
take
a
really
deep
dive,
because
there
are
two
things:
either
we
haven't.
We
haven't
achieved
that
we
goals
we've
achieved
or
making
the
progress
on
and
for
the
ones
we
haven't
achieved
either.
B
We
need
to
see
whether
that's
still
a
goal,
that's
even
achievable,
and
if
we
do
think
that
it's
a
goal,
it's
even
achievable,
then
we
need
to
think
about
what
resources
the
city
needs
to
provide
to
make
those
goals
to
happen
in
the
the
following
five
years,
because
otherwise
I'm
just
afraid
that
we're
back
where
we
were
before,
where
the
city
has
a
nice,
you
know
very
pretty
plan
that
we
could
point
to,
but
then
we
actually
aren't
making
it
happen.
B
So
that's
my
kind
of
overall
remark,
as
I
think,
both
of
all
of
you
know.
I
have
been
working
as
hard
as
I
can,
particularly
on
the
energy
stuff.
This
is
not
easy,
you
know,
and-
and
it
is
a
full-time
proposition,
just
to
stay
abreast
of
what
the
state
is
doing
and
how
any
policies
we
develop
happen
in
palm
springs,
but
there
are
other
issues.
Obviously,
waste
management
is
another
area
where
the
state
occupies
the
field
and
we're
continually
playing
catch
up,
and
there
are
other
areas.
B
You
know,
on
an
assessment
of
sort
of
you
know
a
progress
report
looking
at
it
and
sort
of
you
know
and
then
dividing
it
up
into
kind
of
columns.
Yes,
no
we're
there
we're
making
progress,
we
haven't
really
done
anything
and
I
can
just
think
of
a
particular
issue
and
commissioner
goings
had
made
this
point.
B
You
know
practically
at
every
meeting
of
the
commission
that
he
attended
is
we've
done
really
nothing
on
great
economy
and
obviously
we
see
where
that's
gotten
us
in
terms
of
you
know
covet
and
obviously
that's
not
something
we
thought
about
when
we
broke
the
plan.
But
it
is
a
clear
issue
that
we've
it's
in
the
plan.
It's
a
prominent
part
of
the
plan
and
we've
done
absolutely
nothing.
B
A
B
Can
do
maybe
at
the
commission
level,
but
we
should
think
be
thinking
about
that,
among
other
things,
and
then
second,
is
that
patrick
once
again,
as
you
mentioned,
is
figuring
out
where
we
fit
in
with
the
general
plan
update
and
how
we
can
be
productive
in
that
process
and
making
sure
really,
once
council
approves
the
vision
statement,
I
know
they're
getting
stakeholder
resources
that
we
can
have
a
a
proactive.
B
B
Patrick
as
you
are
just
because
I
know
how
hard
we've
been
working
and
also
how
much
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
right
and
and
that's
what's
scary,
is-
is
it's
only
getting
worse
in
terms
of
the
goals?
Keep
getting
stricter
and
the
needs
keep
getting
larger
as
we
deal
with
climate
change
and
wildfires
and
droughts,
and
everything
like
that,
so
this
is
actually
even
harder
than
it
was
by.
You
know
four
and
a
half
now,
almost
five
years
ago,
right.
A
This
this
plan
is,
you
know
it's
12
items
or
13
items,
and
I
think
that
we
need
to
really
scale
back
and
really
focus
on
kind
of
what
matters
the
most
yeah,
and
I
do
think
that
I
think
that
the
process
of
kind
of
looking
at
it
in
the
context,
perhaps
of
the
general
plan,
will
be
an
interesting
one
in
the
sense
that
you
know
a
lot
of
these
things.
Maybe
we
don't
have
to
take
on.
A
Maybe
they
are
being
handled
by
other
parts
of
the
city,
so,
in
other
words
like
with
respect
to
walkability
and
pedestrian
safety,
really
that's
an
engineering
lead
and
so
we're
just
trying
to
provide
input
and
direction
and
kind
of
steer
the
ship
a
little
bit
on
that
front
and
make
sure
that
people
are
engaged
in
a
helpful
way.
A
So
so
again,
I
think
that
if
we
think
about
it,
some
of
these
things
in
in
that
context,
in
terms
of
what
are
other
parts
of
the
city
already
doing
or
what
is
their
responsibility,
then
maybe
we
think
about
it
a
little
bit
differently
in
terms
of
who
takes
it
on
or
how
it
gets,
how
it
gets
implemented.
B
Well,
I
agree
I
mean
hopefully
now
with
renewal
sort
of
grouping
of
of
planning
engineering
sustainability.
All
under
can
all
the
same
development
services.
Hopefully
that
can
do
it
and
and
those
departments
are
funded
with
various
building
fees,
whereas
you
know
we're
dependent
on
recycling.
Funds
of
course
have
reduced
and
the
general
fund,
which
is
you
know,
obviously
subject
to
overall
budget
constraints.
So
those
folks
have
a
bigger
funding
source
in
terms
of
resources
and
ability
to
hire
people
to
achieve
those
goals.
Then
you
know
we
do,
but
I
agree.
B
That's
that
that's
a
good
approach
to
do.
There's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
I'm
doing
honestly,
I
I'm
spending
you
know
hours
a
day
looking
at
building
codes.
This
really
is
not.
I
mean
I'm
doing
it
just
because
it's
not
happening
in
the
building
department,
but
but
honestly,
you
know
the
building
department
should
also
be
looking
at.
You
know
where
the
codes
are
and
where
there
can
be
going
and
what
what
what
what
things
that
we
can
be
doing
and
I've
carried
this
really
the
last
five
years
I
mean
the
building
was
not
really
involved.
A
That's
that's
sort
of
my
impression
to
date
is
like,
when
I've
been
working
with
them
a
little
bit
to
update
the
waste
mana
construction
and
demolition,
waste
management
plans,
and
things
like
that,
and
so
I've
taken
the
lead
on
that,
and
so
I'd
like
to
not
necessarily
do
that
on
everything.
So
yeah
I
mean.
A
Right,
we
also
have
a
little
bit
of
a.
I
mean.
The
other
piece
of
this,
I
think
is
which
will
also
happen
over
the
next
year,
is
in
particular
with
regard
to
building
and
planning.
Is
this
move
to
a
more
electronic-based
approach
to
doing
business?
A
So
so
we
can
perhaps
look
at
some
things
that
might
facilitate
our
work
a
little
bit
more
than
maybe
in
the
past
through
electronic
means.
So,
okay,
all
right.
That's.
B
Obviously,
good
with
the
with
all
the
hopefully,
the
solar
permitting
thing
and
the
building
stuff,
the
ev
charger
on
the
on
thursday's
council
meeting.
As
I
said,
I'll
work
on
that-
and
you
know
with
your
help.
But
once
again
this
is
not
something.
This
was
jim
zicaro's
responsibility
to
get
the
ordinance
through
and
kind
of
do
the
checklist,
and
there
are
lots
of
resources
from
the
county
and
california
building
officials,
and
I
understand
that
resources
have
always
been
limited.
B
So
we're
doing
it,
but
we're
filling
a
void
that
has
where
we
have
fewer
resources
than
other
folks
in
in
in
your
wing
of
the
building
right.
A
And
then,
with
regard
to
your
comment
about
some
contractor
support,
I
did
have
that
planned
in
our
budget.
I
think
for
this
year,
or
at
least
yeah.
I
think
it
was
for
this
year,
so
so
I
do
have
some
money
set
aside
for
that.
So
I
think
that
we
could
engage
somebody
if
we
wanted
them
to
help
us
start
helping
us
the
I
don't.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
driving
them
and
they're
not
driving
us,
though
so.
B
C
B
Is
you
know
what
issues?
What
problems
is
your
commission
facing
and
what
are
your
solutions,
and
I
did
suggest
that
we
look
into
getting
interns
and
one
of
the
suggestions
that
I
have
and
sort
of
looking
at
the
looking
at
the
existing
sustainability
plan
and
doing
a
kind
of
checklist
roadmap
of
where
we
are
is
honestly
a
project
that
I
think
could
be.
B
You
know
from
katie,
but
they
do
have
a
civic
sparks
intern
for
you
know
for
this
year,
and
you
know
I'm
not
sure
what
the
process
is,
but
maybe
we
should
try
and
get
that
in
order
to
get
to
get
a
civic
sparks
intern.
For
the
you
know,
21
22
kind
of
you
know
season.
B
You
know
I'm
happy
to
look
at
that
or
work
with
katie
and
find
out
how
she
did
it,
but
they
do
have
one
at
sea
bag.
I
guess
dedicated
to
you,
know
energy
and
environment
issues,
community
issues.
A
And
dan
have
we
had
many
interns
in
the
past?
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
I've
heard
anybody
talk
about
interns
here.
C
No,
no
we've
never
really
had
an
intern.
Since
I've
been
here,
we
had
a
couple
of
students,
representatives
on
the
commission,
but.
B
They
really
didn't
do
much,
but
you
know
show
up
a
few
meetings
right.
Well,
it's
just
that!
There's
so
much
and
on
here
this
from
the
energy
commission
comments
both
the
written
ones
and
then
during
the
workshops,
there's
so
many
young
people
who
are
really
really
dedicated
to
this
cause
and
the
various
you
know
you
see
slash
csu,
you
know,
schools
have
tons
of
programs,
and
so
I
think
there
is
a
you
know
and,
and
particularly
katie
can
help
us
find
you
know
with
her
husband.
B
You
know
who's
a
professor
and
you
know
in
the
you
know
environmental
biological
side
at
ucr.
So
you
know
that
would
be.
You
know
a
good
place
to
start,
I'm
happy
to
follow
up
with
katie
if
you
would
like,
but
it's
just
the
resources
where,
what's
scary
once
again
is
goals
and
objectives
that
we
all
want
to
achieve
and
limited
resources
to
achieve.
C
Until
today
I
found
in
my
files,
but
it's
a
color-coded
excel
font
that
shows
who's
responsible
for
every
item,
the
time
frame,
immediate,
ongoing
far
out,
you
know
long-term
key
partners,
it's
dated
719
2016
and
it
probably
hasn't
been
updated
since
then,
but
it
does
exist,
so
it
might
be
a
good
starting
point
for
doing
an
evaluation,
and
I
also
you
know
I
thumbed
through
the
plan
earlier
today
and
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
it
just
doesn't
make
sense
to
have
in
there
they're,
not
that
important,
and
we
we
certainly
don't
have
the
resources
to
to
take
care
of
them.
B
And
those
are
the
things
that
you
know
is
that
we
should
do
a
you
know,
an
initial
assessment
and
and
boot
either
completely
or
you
know,
direct
to
some
other
department,
those
things
because
we've
taken
on
too
much
and
I
think,
with
the
city's
blessing
we've
taken
on
too
much
city,
meaning
you
know,
senior
leadership,
council,
city
manager,
and
we
can't
do
that.
We
need
to
be
focused
on.
What
really
is
our
you
know,
specific
sustainability,
yeah
whatever,
so
I
agree.
Thank
you
roy.
I
had
forgotten
that
michelle
must
have
done
it.
B
You
know
practically
one
of
her
very
last.
I
don't
think
too
much
about
that,
but
that
was
you
know
right
before.
I
think
she
she
left
the
city.
So
that's
a
good
tool.
A
So
yeah
it
was
pretty
around
that
time,
yeah.
So
roy,
that's
different
from
the
report
card
because
that's,
I
think
so.
C
A
Okay,
great
so
yeah,
so
that
might
be
yeah.
That
would
be
a
great
thing
to
use
as
a
tool
to
help
us
do
that.
C
And-
and
I
think
in
2017
and
18
when
we
had
a
ad
hoc
budget
committee,
john
goins
was
part
of
that
with
along
with
me,
and
we
used.
We
referred
to
the
implementation
plan
quite
a
bit
to
try
to
set
priorities,
but
we
didn't
get
very
far
with
it
all
right.
Okay,.
A
All
right:
well,
that's
something
we
can
take
a
look
at
again
I'll.
A
A
A
Three
new
partners
for
the
mayor's
5k
race:
well,
that's
sort
of
outdated,
so
yeah,
so
yeah.
I
think
we
could
go
through
this
pretty
quickly
to
figure
out
where,
where
things
are,
but
I
agree,
I
think
that's
probably
a
good
first
step
in
terms
and
that'll
be
a
helpful
tool
to
organize
that
thinking
around
what
what
still
matters.
B
Yeah,
I
think,
if
you
can
get
that
you
know
whether
internally
or
an
intern
or
whatever,
but
get
that
done.
For
you
know
february
march,
commission
meeting
and
maybe
even
have
a
study
session.
It
is
useful
to
have
so
that
we
don't,
you
know,
use
a
regular
monthly
meeting
but
create
a
special
summary
session.
Maybe
in
february
early
march
right
you
can
actually
do
that
and
and
invite
whoever.
B
I
guess
it
will
be
decided
at
tomorrow's
thursday's
council
meeting,
whoever
whether
it's
soon
to
be
mayor,
holstead
or
whoever
is
our
is
our
council
liaison
should
be,
should
be
part
of
that,
because
I
think
we've
been
you
know,
not
really.
You
know
been
visited
much
by
by
by
council.
You
know
understand
with
an
uncovered
and
everything
being
virtual.
B
A
And
since
we'll
be
getting
a
new
city
manager
too,
I
think
it
is.
It
will
be
helpful
to
have
something
when
they're
on
board,
but
also
be
interesting
to
get
a
sense
from
them
about
their
priorities.
So
yeah.
B
Whether
that
happens,
kind
of
like
sooner
rather
than
later,
we'll
see
what
happens
on
that.
I
expected
I
expected
the
what's
on
the
agenda
for
thursday
to
be
there
just
because
it's
a
useful
tool
in
these
issues
to
keep
on
the
interim.
The
city,
managers
and
dhs
did
exactly
the
same
thing
a
couple
of
months
ago.
So
I
was
expecting
that
to
happen
here
as
well.
Yeah,
no
surprise
there.
For
me,
those
are
really
you
know.
B
As
I
said
I,
you
know,
you
know
what
I'm
working
on
and
that's
kind
of
near
term,
and
I've
got
a
lot
of
work
to
do
on
that.
That's
kind
of
separate
track
of
you
know,
and
hopefully
with
get
the
road
map
to
council.
That
would
help.
But
you
know
those
are
more
near-term
issues
and
longer
term.
It's
the
updating,
sustainability
plan
and
working
closely
with
the
general
plan
steering
committee
I
haven't
heard
I
I
did
sign
up
for
meeting
notices,
but
I
haven't
heard
that
they
they've
been
meeting.
B
I
assume
they're
waiting
for
the
stakeholder
input
level
at
city
council,
so
that's
kind
of
on
hold
until
city
council.
The
ball
is
in
council's
court,
you
know
for
the
priority,
you
know
statements
and
I
guess
that's
where
things
are
and
the
details
are
kind
of
kind
of
suspended
until
that
happens,.
A
Yeah,
I
think
you're
right,
I
think
they
and
they
just
had
the
last
main
street
meeting
was
dedicated
to
that.
So
and
that
was
just
last
week,
so
I
imagine
they're
still
gathering
input
so.
B
A
But
I
do
think
that
that
maybe
that
provides
a
little
bit
of
a
structure
for
us
in
terms
of
prioritizing
some
of
our
actions,
because
I
I
fee
what
I
will.
I
don't
want
to
be
caught
kind
of
flat-footed
whenever
they're
ready
to
go
on
their
various
topics.
So
I
think
maybe,
starting
with
the
things
that
are
most
relevant
to
the
work
that
they
are
planning
to
do
in
the
near
future,
probably
makes
some
sense
in
terms
of.
B
You
can
cross-check
sort
of
our
rewrite
on
the
assumption
that
our
rewrite
of
priorities
will
make
it
through
council.
You
can
cross
that
in
the
sustainability
plan
and
then
sort
of
we
should
focus
on
those
first
ght
emissions.
Is
you
know
something
that
you
have
language
that
I
stole
grid
from
a
copy
from
ventura
county,
but
that's
obviously
something
that
that's
probably
one
of
the
areas
that
between
your
inventory
and
work,
that
I'm
doing
and
the
work
you
and
for
you
and
robert
doing
on
waste
reduction?
B
That's
probably
the
area
where
we
can.
You
know
where
I've
actually
made
at
least
the
most
progress,
if
not
necessarily
on
measures,
but
at
least
on
you
know,
research
and
things
that
you
know
we
can
be
doing,
but
so
that
maybe
is
a
good
place
to
start
so
that
we,
you
know,
prioritize
those,
because
if
it's
in
the
general
plan,
then
obviously
it
should
be.
You
know
reflected
in
the
sustainability
plan
that
you
know
several
detail
levels
down,
but
those
are
the
things
that
we
should
be
doing.
A
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
sense
from
you
guys
about
the
public
engagement
side
of
this,
and
I
know
that
there
they
did
a
fairly
robust
outreach
process.
Last
go-round.
Yes,
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
sense
of
what
that
might
look
like
or
if
you
had
any
vision
for
that.
At
this
point,.
B
I
guess
roy
you
weren't
involved
that
I
was,
and
that
was
very
useful
and
just
as
council
is
getting
stakeholder
input
on
general
plan,
we
need
to
be
doing
the
same
thing.
Obviously
zoom
was
not
you
know
not
something.
People
were
working
on
so
if
in
person
gatherings
or
you
know
second
half
of
next
year,
that
would
be
useful.
But
in
the
meantime
you
know
we
can
start
working
on
some.
B
You
know
some
virtual
meetings
and
and
things
like
that
and
and
and
I
you
know,
I
know-
you've
been
working
on
that
for
for
walkability
and
there
was
just
the
ad
hoc
meeting
the
other
day,
so
that
would
be
useful,
1ps
roy.
If
my
recollection
of
1ps
was
not
at
all
involved
in
the
sustainability
plan.
B
I
had
just
joined
1ps,
I
guess
in
2015,
but
I
don't
recall
any
involvement,
but
obviously
roy
you
know
you'd
be
a
good
person
to
to
ensure
that
the
neighborhoods
are
fully
represented
in
in
in
the
next
round.
That's
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
whether
there's
still
an
environment
committee.
I
guess
that
she
was
no
longer
in
the
city,
but
but
you
know
be
useful
to
get
you
know
among
other
sources
of
input.
That
would
be
a
good
one.
C
The
the
thing
about
getting
input
from
from
people
is
that
I
think,
with
with
regard
to
the
sustainability
plan.
Every
possible
topic
is
already
there
right
and
it's
more
a
matter
of
priorities
and
it's
it's
like
the
safe
routes
to
schools.
Project
is
picking
out
two
or
three
major
things
in
different
categories
that
could
be
accomplished
and
and
then
determine
what
resources
are
needed
to
accomplish
them,
and
there
are
some
things
like
organics
recycling
that
are
dictated
to
us,
and
we
have
no
choice
and,
and
things
like
that
are
very
resource
intensive
as
well.
C
A
Yep,
I
think
that
it
might
be
useful
for
getting
a
sense
if
there
are
things
that
would
require
public
involvement
or
public
action,
that
we
maybe
focus
some
input
efforts
on
on
those
things,
but
like,
for
example,
I
know
that
renewable
energy
is
important.
I
know
that
water
conservation
is
important.
You
know
I.
I
don't
know
that
we
need
the
community
to
tell
us
that.
B
And
to
a
large
degree
they
already
have,
because
those
were
reflected
in
the
general
plan
surveys,
and
so
that's
where
it's
clear
that
climate
change
and
its
broad
sort
of
you
know
in
transportation,
and
you
know
on
bikes
and
things
like
that,
so
so
I'd
like
to
let
I
think
at
least
a
lot
of
the
high
level
input
was
done
last
year
through
the
or
maybe
early
I
guess
was
earlier
this
year,
but
through
the
convention
center
workshops
on
the
general
plan.
B
So
you
already
have
that
that
and
that
I
think,
is
reflected
in
our
rewrite.
So
we've
already
taken
that
input
and
fed
it
back
to
planning
and
now
city
council
in
the
priorities.
So
so
I
think
that
step
has
already
been
done.
I
mean
we
should,
as
we
get
to
implementation,
and
you
know
level
we
should,
you
know,
make
sure
it's
always
good
to
hear
from
the
stakeholders,
because
if
we
don't
patrick,
then
council
will
send
it
back.
B
As
you
know,
so
I
I
think
we
should
just
sort
of
you
know
we,
and
even
when
we
do,
as
you
know,
because
we'll
still
send
it
back
saying
they
love
it
more.
So
I
I'm
not
sure
what
what
the
solution
is,
but
since
council
does
seem
to
prioritize
stakeholder
input
or
better
or
worse,
we
should
you
know,
figure
out
step
two
where
step
three
should
be
just
have
you
done
for
walkability,
you
know
what
input
do
we
want
and
how
do
we
get
it?
Who
are
the
stakeholders
that
we
need
to
convene.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
the
we
get
a
lot
of
mileage
out
of
questions
that
try
to
get
at
what
people
are
willing
to
do
and
what
people
are
willing
or
interested
in
doing
so
like
they
did
on
dce
like
how
much
more
are
you
willing
to
pay
for
green
energy?
That
was
a
that's
a
good
that
has
been
a
talking
point
that
they've
come
back
to
over
and
over
again
yeah
and
so
to
the
extent
that
that
we
get
down
to
that
level
in
terms
of
actions
and
activities.
A
It'll
be
good
to
have
those
that
kind
of
specific
input
so
that
we
can
kind
of
provide
that
feedback.
When
we
move
things
forward.
B
And
that
process
was
used
also
for
the
downtown
park
as
another.
You
know
there
was
a
survey
specifically.
What
I
recall
is
that
there
were
like
a
couple
of
workshops
that
we
as
clementi
hale
had
and
then,
after
one
of
the
workshops,
they
sent
out
a
survey
and
they
said
they
got
more
responses
from
palm
springs
than
in
any
other
city
that
they
had
ever
worked
with
and
really
these
days
when
people
don't
have
too
many
places
to
go.
B
B
That
would
be
a
good
time
to
get.
You
know,
get
a
survey
saying
which
of
these
would
you
prefer
what
your
ranking
one
two
three
four
kind
of
thing.
That
would
be
helpful
input.
We
can
have
a
workshop
and
then
do
you
know
whether
it's
virtual
or
depending
on
the
timing
in
person.
You
have
a
workshop
to
present
it
and
that's
basically,
what
the
energy
commission
has
been
doing.
You
know
I
just
spent
four
hours
where
they,
you
know,
present
various
options.
They
raise
a
couple
of
questions
and
they
just
ask
for
comments.
B
A
So
why
don't
we,
let
me
just
run
through
the?
Let
me
just
try
to
maybe
kind
of
summarize
our
charge
a
little
bit,
so
one
is
to
assess
progress
on
current
plan.
A
Second
thing
is
assess
general
plan.
B
A
B
B
And
then,
and
somewhere
in
that
section,
is
identify
additional
resources
that
may
be
available,
whether
you
know
interns
or
consultants,
which
you
would
do
kind
of
after
you've
done
the
keep
delete
transfer.
Yes,
we
say
this
is
what's
still
on
our
plate.
You
know,
what's
for
the
ones
that
we're
keeping?
B
A
B
A
B
If
they're
doing
it
on
a
voluntary
basis
and
even
if
they're
not
doing
it
mandatory,
I
think
I
think
that
would
be
useful
to
sort
of
make
sure
that
that's
something
that
I
think
we
can
be
and
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
you
know
input
from
all
these
workshops,
but
I
think
that
may
be
an
area
that
where
we
can
be
helpful,
even
if
it's
not
required
that
we
can
reflect
on
those
issues
and
make
sure
that
whatever
comes
through
in
the
plan,
we
have
general
plan
whether
statutorily
required
or
not
does
reflect
environmental
justice.
B
Roy
you've
mentioned
it.
That's
why
I
suggested
that
we
had
some
folks
from
the
the
books
from
east
valley,
leslie,
figaro
and
rebecca
ziga.
Rosa,
I
think,
is
her
her
name.
She
actually
just
had
a
column
in
the
desert
song.
A
few
days
ago,
yeah.
C
On
I
looked
into
environmental
justice
for
something
else,
a
few
months
back
and
it's
extremely
difficult
to
determine.
If
there
is
anything
in
around
here
or
not,
the
the
criteria
vary
from
website
to
website,
and
so
it's
like
it
is,
but
it
isn't.
B
Each
one
of
them
has
there's
like
ab1515,
and
so
that
requires
cal
enviro
screen,
but
we're
not
there,
but
there
are
different
ones
that
look
at
80
percent
below
average
medium
income,
and
we
do
have
those
and
we
have
census
tract
and
those
criteria
were
used
to
inform
the
food
desert
overlay
zones.
So
some
things
we
want
won't
necessarily
sort
of
qualify
for
and
in
particular,
some
of
the
areas
where
there's
state
resources
available
and
regrettably
I
don't
think
we
qualify
for
those.
B
But
there
are
other
issues
that
it's
you
know
in
a
broader
sense.
You
know,
I
think
we
know
what
neighborhoods
there,
though,
where
we're
talking
about
and
largely
council
has
determined
those
even
I
I
think
we
can
sort
of
as
an
easy
proxy.
B
A
Well,
I've
never
been
a
big
fan
of
the
formal
environmental
justice
approach.
I
mean,
I
really
think
it's
about
equity
and
justice.
So
if,
if
we
feel
like,
like
all
of
our
bike,
paths
are
in
the
south
end
of
town
as
opposed
to
the
north
end
of
town,
then
that's
a
problem
yeah,
our
only
community
garden
is
at
the
south
end
of
town
and
not
that
we
don't
have
anything
at
the
north
end
of
town.
Maybe
we
should
think
about
that.
Yeah.
A
Do
think
we
get
into
some
the
the
place
that
I've
always
experienced,
that
you
get
into
quagmire
is
kind
of
the
chicken
in
the
egg
or
the
what
came
first
situation,
where
you've
got
an
industrial
zone
like
we
have
up
on
the
north
end
adjacent
to
a
lower
income
community.
Well,
you
know,
were
they
there?
First,
where
the
house
is
built
after
and
you
know
what
do
we
do
about
that?
I
mean
that's
always
the
the
challenge.
A
Is
you
know
we
don't
necessarily
want
those
businesses
to
go
out
of
business,
but
we
also
want
you
know,
don't
want
those
people
to
be
adversely
impacted
by
that.
That.
B
Activity-
and
a
lot
of
that
is
you
know,
zoning
which
you
know
is
kind
of
already
baked
in
right.
Those
were
clearly
issues
in
terms
of
cannabis,
which
is
why
the
council
kind
of
established
the
green
zone
down
near
the
europa
and
on
the
freeway
that
happens
or
not
some
other
stories.
So
those
things
that
we
can
do
is
just
make
sure
that
I,
I
guess
my
thought
is
that
it
should
be.
B
A
So
the
other
two
components
that
they're
updating
with
in
the
general
plan
update
is
the
housing
and
safety.
So
I
think
we
may
have
a
little
bit
of
role
to
play
in
both
of
those,
but
I
think
land,
use
and
circulation
are
probably
the
two
primary
things
and
then
the
walkability
plan
or
pedestrian
safety
plan
that's
being
developed,
is
certainly
one
that'll,
be
an
important
piece
and
then
parks.
I
don't
know
if
parks
are
doing
anything.
C
They
do
have
a
proposal
out
for
a
new
park,
yeah
they're.
C
A
Yeah
yeah
and
I
do
think
I
think
we
need
to
think
harder
in
particular
about
things
that
go
on
that
north
end
about
the
impact
of
wind
and
dust.
Yes,
because
that's
the
biggest
thing
that
I
notice
when
I
go
up
to
like
san
rafael,
if
I'm
going
to
business
up
there
or
something
doing
something
on
that,
and
it's
just
so
dusty
up
there
that
it's
I'm
sure
it's
a
respiratory,
has
a
respiratory
impact,
but
also
it
just.
A
It
just
has
an
effect
on
the
look
and
feel
of
that
neighborhood.
And
so
I
just
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
that.
With
regard
to
the
new
park
and
james
o
jesse's
kind
of
suffers,
I
think
a
little
bit
from
the
same
thing,
and
so
again
I
hope
that
they're
thinking
about
that
whenever
they
design
this
new
park.
C
Now
one
they
had
workshops
about
the
new
park
about
a
year
ago
and
I
was
about
the
wind
and
I
think
they
subsequently
did
something
with
barriers.
I
don't
know
how
effective
they
would
be,
but
you
know
I
I'm
hand
I
can
give
first-hand
testimony
about
the
wind,
because
the
desert
is
on
the
other
side
of
my
back
wall
right
and
it,
and
it
does
have
an
effect
psychologically
too.
When
you
know
you
hear
this
whoosh
whoosh.
C
A
Yeah,
so
so
yeah
so
I'll
reach
out
to
them
too
and
see
if
they've
gotten
anything
going
and
then
what
is
oh,
the
climate
action
plan,
because
the
we're
going
to
kind
of
update
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory,
but
but
I
think
what
matters
more
from
a
planning
perspective
is
looking
at
that
climate
action
plan
and
looking
at
how
that
needs
to
be
updated.
I
looked
at
it
and
I
think
a
lot
of
it
just
goes
away
because
I
think
so
much
of
it
is
outdated.
A
B
Some
of
that's
integrated
into
the
because
it
was
closer
in
time
to
the
sustainability
plan,
so
there's
a
lot
of
references
in
the
sustainability
plan,
climate
action
plan,
so
the
two
of
them
together.
I
don't
recall
if
I
have
to
check
with
with
flynn's
group
whether
the
state
actually
requires
that
or
whether
we
can
just
embed
it.
We
don't
whether
the
state
requires
a
separate
plan
or
whether
we
can
just
take
it
and
embed
it
in
the
sustainability
plan
and
call
a
sustainability
and
climate
action
plan.
B
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
not
to
have
two
separate.
We
already
have
a
general
plan.
That's
required
the
sustainability
plan
we
are
doing.
I
don't
think
we
need
a
third
plan
because
it
just
gets
too
confusing
where
to
go
so
it
either
is
required
by
the
state,
in
which
case
we
can
just
call
our
next
plan.
Sustainability
and
climate
action
plan
we're
not
required
by
the
same
climate
action,
whether
we
call
it
that
or
not.
A
Well-
and
I
think
you
raised
a
good
point
in
that-
I
don't
well,
I
think,
we'll-
have
to
wait
and
see
in
terms
of
what
the
planning
elements
look
like
as
to
whether
or
not
we
can
incorporate
everything
into
a
general
plan,
or
we
in
fact
need
some
sort
of
a
supplement
that
goes
along
with
it.
That
addresses
the
things
that
may
not
be
appropriate
for
the
general
plan
yeah.
So.
B
And
I
think
even
yeah
I
mean
we
clearly
want
to
have
a
sustainability
plan
that
will
go
into
a
lot
more
detail
than
the
you
know,
general
plan
right
and
and
and
we'll
set
kind
of
like
five-year
goals
as
to
that
document,
which
is
20-year
goals,
it's
just
easier
to
measure,
and
that's
actually
also
something
you
know
and
that
will
require
a
consultant-
is
to
set
goals
and
then
say:
how
do
we
measure
progress
against
those
goals?
I
mean
the
ghg
inventory
which
hopefully
will
be
updated.
You
know
more
than
ever.
B
You
know
more
frequently
than
every
10
years,
patrick.
You
have
my
suggestion
that
you
know
budget
be
done.
You
know
every
three
to
four
years,
because
10
years
is
just
too
long
to
go.
To
that
you
just
don't
aren't
able
to.
You
know
do
that,
and
so
that's
that
I
think
should
be
should
should
be
happening
so
that
we
can
see
where
we
are.
B
C
Bring
up
a
good
point
about
metrics,
I
don't
think
we
do
a
good
job
right
now.
I
think
we
we
have
potential
for
getting
better
metrics
for
waste
production,
but
patrick
and
dan
understand
the
difficulty
in
doing
that.
But
the
sustainability
plan
did
make
some
reference
to
measures
of
progress,
but
there
aren't
any
real
specific
ones.
I
think
some
really
need
to
focus
on.
B
Do
anything
yeah,
but
some
of
the
others
whatever,
but
that's
you
know,
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
should
that's.
I
think
the
level
of
detail
that
we
should
have
in
the
sustainability
plan,
where
we
set
specific,
hopefully
achievable
goals,
because
once
again
the
frustration
is
that
you
know
2016
sustainability
plan
will
have
a
lofty.
You
know
we
should
do
this
and
you
know
apple
pie,
kind
of
thing
so
but
yeah,
I
guess,
lower
reduced
scope
and
more
realistic.
B
A
Less
is
more,
less
is
more
yeah,
okay,
and
I
think
the
other
piece
of
this
that
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
lose
throughout
this
process
is,
I
think
there
is
a
role
for
the
city
and
a
role
for
the
city
at
large.
So,
like
I
feel
like
there
are
things
that
the
city
can
do
and
should
do
in
terms
of
its
own
operations
and
activities
versus
more
broadly
the
community
and
what
we're
looking
for
from
from
the
community
at
large.
A
So
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
doesn't
get
lost
too,
because
I
feel
like
we
do
a
lot
of
things
here
very
separately,
so
we
think
of
it
as
a
public
effort
versus
a
city
effort,
and
so
just
like
with
the
whole
reusable
thing.
When
I
went
to
talk
to
folks
about
that,
it
was
like
no
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
So
so
I
think
working
things
in
a
way
that
that
has
a
city
component
as
well
as
a
broader
yeah.
B
You
know
mostly-
and
I
realized
you
know
with
coach
and
a
few
other
things,
but
largely
the
city
has
gone.
You
know
going
in
that,
I
think,
is
still
the
challenge,
but
it
makes
it
like
easier
to
say
well
we're
doing
this
ourselves
so
yeah.
I
agree
with
that,
and
that
can
be.
You
know.
As
we
look
at
these
various
goals
we
can
see
which
of
them
can
be
adopted.
B
You
know
with
the
city
and
some
of
them
may
take
additional
financial
resources,
clearly
paying
more
electricity,
but
you
know-
and-
and
I
continue
to
look
at
that
in
terms
of
you
know-
microgrids
and
other
energy-related
things-
that
the
city
can
do
and
work
with
dce
on,
you
know
getting
additional
resources.
You
know
through
that
and
needs
assessments.
B
Just
sort
of
once
again
liaise
with
katie
and
see
where
she
is.
I
think
it's
beyond
this
time
frame,
but
it
will
help
because
it
just
is
just
to
see
how
they're
doing
on
the
the
local
regional
energy
network
and
where
that
is,
and
I'm
not
sure
that's.
B
Hopefully
that
will
happen
by
2022
and
so
as
we
identify
resources
that
would
be
part
of
the
identifying
resources
because
at
least
from
what
I
understand
from
some
fairly
high
level
discussions
with
katie
is
that
it's
being
sponsored
by
cbag
wrcon
and
whatever
the
san
bernardino
you
know
equivalent
is,
I
think,
there's
just
one
for
their
council
of
governments
and
then
there
would
be
resources
embedded
in
each
of
those.
B
You
know
regional
agencies,
so
that
would
help
in
terms
of
you
know,
work
working
with
with
with
that
resource
to
do
stuff
on
valley-wide
basis,
because
there's
so
much
that
we're
doing
when
I
say
we
get
frustrated
because,
largely
you
know,
palm
springs
has
been
looked
at
as
kind
of
the
the
leader
where
we're
expected
to
not
only
for
ourselves
but
kind
of
figure.
B
This
out
for
the
entire
valley
plastic
bags
slightly
before
my
time
on
on
the
commission,
but
I
know
kate
castle
was
very
much
involved
and
it
was
a
huge
win.
B
You
know
to
get
plastic
bags
before
the
state
required
it
or
any
other
valley
cities,
and
you
know
so
that's
another
area
where
hopefully
there
will
be
additional
resources,
because
so
much
of
what's
happening
that
I
see
statewide,
particularly
in
the
bay
area,
is
happening
through
a
combination
of
bay
ram
and
their
local,
ccas
and
dc
is
not
really
going
to
be
able
to
compete
at
that
level,
at
least
for
a
while,
just
because
it's
just
us
and
and
they've
just
started,
whereas
the
bay
area
have
been
out
for
10
years
and
covering
millions
of
people.
B
But
hopefully
this
regional
energy
network
will
help
a
little
bit
in
identifying
regional
approaches
to
all
of
this
stuff
because
yeah
we're
looking
at
all
for
palm
springs.
But
these
are
the
same
issues
in
the
other
cities
right
and
you
know,
and
help
identify
in
particular
statewide
resources
to
do
that.
So
that
should
be
part
of
the
you
know
the
needs
assessment.
B
A
C
Right
another
thing:
I'd
like
to
bring
up
is
initiatives
that
are
brought
up
from
the
bottoms
up
from
commission
members.
We
have
a
lot
of
those
like,
for
example,
last
month
we
had
three
presentations.
C
What
about
parking
went
about
outreach
environmental
outreach
and
one
about
materials
for
outside
restaurants
and
people
join
the
commission
because
they
have
passions
and
bring
these
things
up.
Most
of
these
don't
really
require
a
lot
of
resources
and
and
may
get
done
in
a
short
period
of
time,
but
I
think
we
should
keep
those
in
our
focus
and
I've.
I've
worked
hard
to
you
know,
encourage
people
like
to
you
know,
develop
their
ideas
and
and
make
their
presentations
at
the
commission
meeting.
C
So
those
fall
every
one
of
those
falls
into
some
bucket
that
we
already
have,
but
we
need
to
you
know,
recognize
those
and
keep
track
of
those,
and
we
also
have
people
that
come
make
up
and
make
a
presentation
or
give
public
comment
and
as
much
as
possible.
We
we
listen
and
try
to
do
something.
I
think
there
was
one
one
example
was
and
we
we
did
pursue
it
with.
There
was
some
kind
of
a
native
plant
that
was
invasive.
B
C
C
A
B
B
A
C
B
A
Planning
efforts
are
happening,
or
maybe
being
rethought
of
in
terms
of
tourism
and
hospitality,
because
they're
sort
of
on
their
ear
right
now
and
I'm
not
sure
exactly
what
they
have
planned
for
the
future.
If
they
even
know
at
this
point.
But
you
know.
B
A
C
B
Yeah
but-
and
it
also
raises
once
again
the
issues
of
the
green
economy,
because
we
sort
of
focus
on
ecotourism
and
getting
people
outside
hiking
bike
biking.
You
know
riding
bikes
things
like
that
and
you
know,
and
that's
a
discussion
with
the
larger
economic
development
folks
that
I
think
is
way
beyond
you
know
what
we
can
do
and
to
me
that's
largely
a
kind
of
transfer
just
because
you
know
we
can
work
with
them,
but
I
don't
think
we're
currently
expected
to
take
the
lead
on
that.
B
We
sustainability
plan,
sort
of
put
that
in
our
you
know,
into
our
department,
patrick,
and
I
don't
think
that's
I
I
just
don't
think
that's
the
right
place
for
it.
You
know
green
jobs
and
it
is
mentioned
once
again.
The
general
plan
is
an
issue,
but
I
that's.
We
we're
there
to
sort
of
be
the
helping
hand
and
you
know
thought
about
resources
as
opposed
to
taking
the
lead
and,
and
that's
a
that's,
a
good
asset.
That's
a
candidate
for
transfer.
A
Yeah-
and
I
do
think
there
is
just
got
my
wheels
spinning
a
little
bit-
it's
almost
like-
we
need
an
sustainability
liaison
in
each
one
of
these
departments
so
like.
If
we
had
somebody
in
economic
development
that
was
focused
on
green
jobs,
we
could
interact
with
them
and
answer
questions
and
get
reports
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff,
but
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
in
our
lab
to
do
so.
B
You
know
I'm
spending
a
lot
of
time
so
and
I
need
to
see
the
slides,
but
from
today,
but
I've
read
the
you
know.
Planning
tomorrow
is
the
is
the
you
know,
the
condo
development,
where
the
virgin
would
have
been
and
there's
no
discussion
of
any
green
aspects
of
that
and
whether
I
wish
there
was
when
that,
but
I
think
it's
superseded,
but
when
that
downtown
plan
was
was
being
would
be
done.
I
was
involved
in
those
discussions
and
it
did
have
some
some
some
additional
requirements.
B
I
think
those
have
largely
been
superseded
by
the
by
the
codes,
but
it
may
be
the
case
not
clear
after
one's
gonna
check
the
slides,
but
there
will
be
some
additional
solar
requirements
for
mid-rise,
mid-rise,
residential
and
that
would
qualify.
I
need
to
clarify
that
with
the
slides
from
today,
but
then
it
would
be
mandatory
after
if
the
permits
pulled
in
2023,
but
the
firm
is
pulled
in
2022.
B
You
know,
then,
is
that
a
discussion
with
michael
brown
saying
well
the
code's
been
adopted
by
the
state,
but
it
doesn't
go
to
effect
next
year.
Would
you
consider
that
etc?
Doing
that,
because
they'd
have
to
put
additional
solar
on
the
roof,
but
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
once
again,
it's
not
really
our
job
and
sustainability.
B
To
think
about
what
you
know,
what
that
what
will
I'm
sure
be
the
only
quote-unquote
high-rise,
residential
building
and
the
city
will
ever
build
what
that
would
look
like
from
a
sustainability
perspective
and
there's
nothing
in
the
staff
report
about
it
right
yep.
So
that's
a
discussion
with
flynn
and
city
manager
about
you
know,
embedded.
B
You
know,
as
I
said,
I'm
doing
an
awful
lot
of
that
right
now
is
thinking
about
issues
that
are
really
in
the
jurisdiction
of
the
building
and
planning
links
and
patrick
you.
You
just
don't
have
time
for
it,
I'm
doing
it
because
it
needs
to
be
done,
but
it
can't
be
your
job.
It's
it's
somebody
else's
job,
yeah
that.
A
We
can
agree.
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
that's
it
for
now
I
so
going
forward.
A
I
think
we'll
definitely
want
to
have
regular
meetings
so
I'll
plan
to
have
one
the
beginning
of
the
month
kind
of
along
with
the
other
committee
meetings
and
might
actually
move
it
up
a
little
bit,
maybe
to
the
end
of
the
month
or
something,
but
so
we'll
definitely
plan
to
meet
again
in
january,
but
the
in
between
now
and
then
what
I,
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
kind
of
type
up
what
we
talked
about
and
see
if
I
can
develop
a
little
work
plan
for
us
so
that
we
can
kind
of
figure
out
what
our
next
actions
are
moving
forward.
A
So
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
it
is
going
to
get
done
this
month,
so
kind
of
thinking
ahead
towards
january
of
kind
of
starting,
fresh
and
figuring
out
how
to
move
forward
from
there.
I
think
it's
probably
a
good
plan.
B
I
mean
just
sort
of
the
one
two
three
four
five.
This
would
be
good
to
share
with
the
full
commission
yeah
next
week.
You
know
whether
oral
or
just
put
it
down
and
say
we
met,
and
these
are
kind
of
our
you
know
key
bullet
points
for
going
forward.
I
think
that's
digestible
between
now
and
next
tuesday.
B
You
know
for
thursday's
package
and
also
all
mentioned
on
tuesday,
about
the
new
gap
project,
which
also
should
hopefully
be
approved
because
they're,
including
carports
and
all
I
wanna-
do
some
research
and
liaise
with
carl
on
potential
incentives
from
greening
that
project
because
there
may
be,
but
once
again
this
is
not
something
that
should
be
folks
who
are
you
know
in
economic
development
and
things
like
that
who
should
be
focusing
on
we're
about
to
do
all
of
this
affordable
housing.
B
B
C
C
A
Create
a
structure
that
is
matrixed
in
the
sense
that
you
would
have
a
piece
of
a
person
in
each
of
those
departments
that
would
be
charged
to
sustainability,
and
so
we
would
coordinate
with
them
as
if
they
were
staff,
but
they
actually
are
embedded
in
the
different
units
and
their
job
was
to
kind
of
keep
their
eyes
peeled
for
things
like
this
and
to
engage
when
necessary.
A
B
Sorry,
I
think
I
was
just
a
spam
call
cause
I
didn't
recognize.
The
number
will.
Will
she
also
be
involved
in
the
ev
permits,
because
the
kind
of
general
framework
is
not
very
different
between
soldiers.
A
That's
a
good
question:
I'm
not
sure
if
she
handles
those
two
she
might.
I
can
ask
her
she's
actually
out
until
january,
so,
okay.
B
Speaking
of
which
you
have
my
draft
comp
public
comments
to
just
ping
me
back
yeah,
they
look
good
yeah,
you
know
kind
of
the
usual
sort
of
outlaw.
I
don't
think,
there's
any
issues
but
then
also
sort
of
puts
put
sustainability
in
front
of
their
gets.
C
C
A
That's
like
an
interim
step
in
terms
of
because
I
don't
want
to
necessarily
keep
five
people
busy
all
the
time,
but
but
we
certainly
got
lots
of
things
to
do
so.
B
But
there's
enough
for
20
percent
of
five
different
people
in
each
of
these
other
agencies,
absolutely
yeah
right.
You
know
planning
and
building
and
parks
and
economic
development
or
just
or
maybe,
there's
probably
a
fifth
that
you
know.
Those
are
four
that
I
can
just
think
of
right
off
the
top
of
my
head
right.
A
Right
so,
okay,
well
good
good
conversation,
all
right,
so
I'll
type,
some
stuff
up
and
share
it
with
you
guys
and
I'll
share.
I
found
a
list
on
the.
A
All
right,
so
I
think
that's
it
and
again
I'll
try
to
plan
our
next
meeting
in
january
and
if
anything
else
comes
up
in
the
meantime,
I
will
send
a
note
out
so.
Okay.