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From YouTube: HSPB Meeting | Sep 14th 2021
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Palm Springs Historic Site Preservation Board Meeting - held September 14th, 2021
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D
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C
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C
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
just
for
a
matter
of
information
for
the
board.
You
may
recall
that
you'd
done
election
of
officers
only
a
few
months
ago,
but
at
the
request
of
the
city
clerk
in
order
to
try
to
get
all
the
boards
and
commissions
on
the
same
monthly
cycling
for
boards
and
commission
chairs
and
vice
chairs,
they
asked
us
to
re
to
reestablish
the
the
board's
choosing
of
chair
and
vice
chair.
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E
C
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
As
noted
in
your
staff
report,
the
building
at
8
55
north
of
mosul
drive
was
built
in
1950
according
to
building
permit
records
and
by
thus
by
virtue
of
its
date,
is
automatically
being
the
class
4
site.
The
applicant,
in
this
particular
case,
is
seeking
to
scrape
the
entire
site
for
the
purposes
of
constructing
a
new
home
on
the
site.
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B
B
B
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C
Certainly,
thank
you,
as
noted
in
this
memo
that
you
have
in
your
packets.
The
summertime
is
usually
when
the
board
begins
looking
forward
at
the
priorities
and
things
it
wants
to
try
to
accomplish.
In
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
I've
put
together
the
memo,
noting
that,
typically,
there
are
two
components
to
your
work
plan:
those
sites
which
you'd
like
to
consider
for
recommendation
of
the
city
council
for
historic,
designation
and
education
and
outreach.
C
C
So
I
want
to
just
remind
you
that
I
have
reports
and
professional
service
consultants
in
progress
on
the
karakia
and
the
arabi
houses
and,
as
I
noted
here,
we're
also
pursuing
securing
a
peer
review
professional
services
report
on
the
security
bank
report.
The
reason
we're
doing
this
is
that
this
is
an
item
that
was
brought
forward
by
a
private
event.
C
I'm
we're
going
to
do
a
peer
review
on
this
report
in
order
to
make
independent
findings
by
a
consultant
of
the
cities
on
the
analysis
that
was
done
in
that
report
to
substantiate
it
so
that
when
you
go
forward
with
the
consideration
of
it
at
your
public
hearing,
we
will
have
a
furtherance
of
the
assertions
in
the
report
and
the
eligibility
of
it
on
the
education
and
outreach
components
of
your
work
plan.
I've
noted
on
the
second
page
of
your
report,
some
of
the
things
that
typically
you
take
on
you
know.
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C
This
past
year,
of
course,
was
cancelled
due
to
covid,
but
we
are
planning
on
having
the
booths
available
again
with
handouts
and
so
on,
as
we've
done
in
the
past,
if
modernism
week
at
the
convention
center
does
go
forward,
we've
also
on
a
routine
basis,
made
presentations
to
various
real
estate
offices
in
the
real
estate
board.
In
terms
of
the
updates
that
have
happened
in
the
last
couple
of
years,
relative
to
the
historic
preservation
ordinance
and
I've
reached
out
to
the
realtors
board.
C
On
the
last
page
of
this
report,
I've
noted
that
the
other
thing
that
I've
been
speaking
with
the
director
about
is
that
some
of
our
informational
brochures
and
things
that
we
have
as
paper
handouts
at
modernism
week
may
be
useful
and
valuable
for
the
public
to
also
have
as
viewable
pdfs
on
the
website.
I
think
we're
going
to
be
trying
to
load
up
some
of
that
material
out
of
the
website
as
well,
for
information
to
the
public
and
to
educate
them.
C
So,
madam
chair,
I
would
suggest
I
have
no
particular
formal
order
to
this.
If
perhaps
you
would
like
to
start
us
if
you
have
any
projects
or
properties
that
you
would
like
to
consider
to
be
listed,
I
will
take
note
of
those
and,
as
I've
mentioned
in
the
past,
what
will
happen
here
is
we'll
take
this
information.
C
I
will
combine
it.
I
will
send
it
back
out
to
you
as
an
email,
and
I
will
ask
for
you
to
prioritize
them
one,
two,
three,
four,
five
through
ten,
so
that
when
I
come
back
to
you
in
october,
I
will
have
for
you
what
you
all
have
voted
in
terms
of
the
top
six
five,
the
top
five
or
six
sites
that
you
collectively
have
voted
on
to
be
the
ones
that
you'd
like
to
carry
forward.
Are
there
any
questions
on
this
nope?
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B
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E
Yeah
I'd
like
to
reiterate
the
the
gas
company
building,
I
think
that's
a
really
important
one,
as
well
as
keeping
fire
station
number
four
on
the
list
that
we
had
from
last
year,
a
couple
of
additional
ones
that
popped
into
my
mind
were
the
the
old
gaul
apartment,
the
old
boxing
club
there
by
the
airport,
which
is
now,
I
believe,
the
homeless
center,
a
really
important
building.
That's
you
know
very
on
display
when
you
leave
the
airport
and
another
one
I
had
was
the
hugh
captor
designed
clubhouse
on
golf
course
drive.
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E
A
F
F
I
also
have
on
my
list
1555
east
delayer,
which
is
the
united
methodist
methodist
church,
which
is
a
class
effect,
and
that
would
conclude
pretty
much
everything
that
I'm
interested
in
with
moving
forward
on
for
this
calendar
year.
I
would
like
to
know
that
we
only
got
two
things
really
fast
track
from
a
work
plan
in
the
last
year
and,
of
course,
with
the
pandemic
and
everything
it
was.
F
E
E
I
have
one
question
and
I
probably
shouldn't
even
be
doing
it
right
now,
but
you
know:
there's
a
fabulous
clubhouse
at
seven
lakes
that
bill
cody
design
and
I
don't
know
whether
that's
even
designated
or
whether
you
have
to
consider
that
as
a
whole
as
a
whole
part
of
the
seven
lakes
development.
But
it's
it's
just
extraordinary
and
it's
also
in
very
original
condition
and
something
that
we
may
want
to
consider.
E
D
Yeah
I
had
more
of
a
general
comment
and
kind
of
an
observation
as
somebody
new
on
the
board,
and
I'm
too
I'm
fine
with
you
know
the
six
that
remained
from
the
plan
from
last
year,
but
it
just
occurred
to
me.
You
know
in
looking
at
this
list
and
looking
over
the
list
of
resources
in
the
city
I
mean.
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B
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E
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E
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F
I
think
that
would
be
a
wonderful
thing
for
as
a
board
to
do,
and
I
would
love
for
mr
lyon
to
educate
us
a
little
bit
more
about
that
and
see
how
we
go
about
that
process.
That's
something
he
would
do
on
our
behalf,
or
do
we
help
him
with
it
or
you
know
what
when's
the
deadline?
What
are
the
details?
I
think
there's
something
that
would
be
really
beneficial
to
us.
There's
a
grant.
C
C
So,
as
you
know,
last
year
and
those
of
you
that
have
been
on
the
board
for
a
few
years
each
year,
I
ask
you
to
make
sure
you
keep
track
of
all
of
your
education
and
continuing
education,
lectures,
seminars,
workshops,
webinars,
anything
else.
That
are
what
I
would
call
continuing
education
enhancements
for
your
performance
and
and
service
on
this
board
keep
track
of
those,
because
I
I
need
to
be
able
to
list
those
on
that
annual
report.
C
The
actual
submittal
of
a
clg
grant
is
kind
of
time
consuming
and
a
little
convoluted
and
requires
the
city
to
commit
to
a
certain
dollar
amount
of
matching
grant.
So
it's
it's
kind
of.
I
don't
remember
it's
one
to
one
or
60
40.,
but
the
reason
that
I'm
bringing
it
up
today
in
your
work
plan
thoughts
is
that.
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D
C
C
And
you
know,
I
think
we
have
good
standing
as
a
city
with
the
office
of
historic
preservation
in
sacramento.
I
think
they
would
be
encouraged
to
see
us
submitting
a
grant
application
again
so
I'll
bring
some
information
together
janet
if
I
can
I'll
reach
out
to
you
as
well.
I
would
really
appreciate
your
resources
and
expertise
in
helping
me
on
that.
D
E
C
Are
there
other
things
that
from
education
and
outreach
perspective,
that
the
board
has
any
thoughts,
comments,
suggestions,
questions,
criticisms,
anything
it's
really?
This
is
this
is
really
the
board's
opportunity
to
think
about
how
you
promote
and
educate
the
community
about
the
values
and
the
importance
of
historic
preservation,
and
you
know
in
my
14
or
15
years
of
being
here
with
the
city.
C
I've
seen
it
really
go
from
a
situation
in
which
historic
preservation
was
almost
a
dirty
word
to
a
city
in
which
the
city
council
is
enthusiastically
embracing
it,
because
it's
a
major
part
of
our
cultural
tourism
revenue
that
the
city
brings
in.
So
I
think
that
you're
in
you're,
in
a
very
fortunate
time
to
be
on
this
hsb,
because
you
had
we've-
had
some
fairly
good
support
at
the
city
council
level
that
hopefully
will
continue
in
terms
of
their
their
support
of
historic
preservation
activities.
C
I
think
what
we
do,
yes,
we
are,
and
what
I'll
do
madam
chair
and
board
members
is.
I
will
summarize
this
list
for
you.
It
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
a
pretty
easy
slam
dunk
for
you
to
prioritize
these
things,
but
I'll
get
it
out
to
you
so
that
we
can
return
this
and
finalize
this.
For
your
october
meeting
great
and
under
the
next
item,
I
will
turn
it
over
to
director
fang.
A
Let
me
give
you
just
a
little
bit
of
background
in
terms
of
what
you're
being
asked
to
do.
The
city
council
is
scheduling
a
visioning
session
which
will
be
coming
up
in
november.
The
purpose
of
their
visioning
session
is
to
really
look
at
two
things
number
one.
They
have
a
lot
of
work
that
they
want
to
get
done
and
number
two.
A
Here's.
What
I
might
suggest
to
you
is
that
there
are
two
principal
activities
that
you
all
have
focused
on
generally
number
one
is
the
designation
of
historic
properties,
and
so
that's
why
we've
come
up
with
our
list
of
six
or
so
properties,
which
you
feel
merit
designation
and
with
the
budget
that
we
have
available.
A
So
that's
just
one
thing
to
get
the
discussion
started,
but
I'd
like
to
throw
that
question
out
to
you.
In
addition
to
historic,
designation
and
education
components.
What
are
some
of
the
other
things
that
you,
as
a
board
would
like
to
work
on
or
what
are
areas
that
you
think
that
we
should
spend
some
more
of
our
time
so
I'll
open
it
up,
and
just
anyone
who
has
any
comments.
Please
go
ahead
and
throw
those
out
there.
Vice
chair
nelson.
A
F
Great
great
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
regarding
that
was,
I
feel
that
we
as
a
board
may
be
kind
of
in
the
shadows
and
not
doing
as
much
as
we
can,
with
the
plaza
theater,
which
obviously
is
a
city-owned
property
and
a
huge
thing
that
I
think,
as
the
hsb
were
kind
of,
you
know
kind
of
a
responsibility
to
help
oversee
that
this
project
can
begin
to
move
forward.
And
how
do
we
help
the
committee?
F
B
B
You
know
if
they're
vacant,
if,
if
they're
at
risk,
if
they're
gonna
catch
on
fire
and
and
burn
down-
and
I
I'm
so
worried
about
vacant
in
in
properties
that
that
have
a
high
classification-
is
there
something
that
we
can
do
to
be
more
proactive
rather
than
just
kind
of
wait
and
see
it's.
I
feel
really
urgent
that
we
need
to
preserve
and
conserve
these
properties
that
are
in
danger,
and
I'm
not
sure
you
know
how
we
can
do
that.
But
I
think
it's
it's
kind
of
frightening
to
me.
B
E
A
What
I'm
hearing
from
the
chair
is
that
it
might
be
a
separate
program
really
focusing
on
conservation
or
maintenance
of
properties
that
have
already
been
designated.
You
know,
one
of
the
things
that
comes
to
my
mind
on
a
regular
basis
is
looking
at
the
properties
that
the
city
owns
that
are
designated
city
hall.
To
be
quite
honest,
could
use
a
little
bit
of
maintenance.
A
There
are
other
city
facilities
that
aren't
in
the
shape
that
they
really
should
be,
as
you
know,
landmark
structures,
and
so
I
think
that's
an
important
point
that
the
chair
brings
up.
Is
that
there's
a
number
of
properties
where
they
could
use
some
additional
maintenance
to
really
bring
them
back
to
where
they
should
be?
And-
and
madam
chair
correct
me
if,
if
I
misinterpreted
that,
but
that's
one
of
the
things
that
I
see.
E
D
F
F
I
know
that
it
had
been
added
in
years
past
and
there
was
some
controversy
around
it,
because
it
was
city-owned
property
and
the
library
wanted
to
add
on
or
whatever
it
was
just
controversy.
But
I
did
notice
when
I
was
there
that
it
was
suffering
and
that
had
some
deferred
exterior
maintenance
and
it
was
kind
of
an
embarrassment
talking
in
that
south
western
parking
lot
kind
of
right
off
the
sunrise
there.
F
As
you
drive
around
the
back
of
the
building
and
walking
up
to
the
learning
center
to
vote,
it
was
just
you
know,
there
were
trees
that
had
been
cut
down
and
they
were
dead
plants,
and
you
know
there
was
overflowing
trash
and
you
know
there
was
some
vagrants
nearby
and
it
just.
I
know
it's
always
been
a
source
of
problems
for
the
city,
but
I
think
that
that
meaning
program
could
probably
go
a
long
way
towards
making
the
exterior
of
that
building.
F
Prettier
and
I
wonder
if
we
should
even
maybe
add
it
to
our
work
plan-
maybe
ken
could
give
us
some
background
on.
You
know
whether
that
would
be
a
good
option
and
then
for
me
the
other
thing
would
be
the
grant,
because
I
think
that's
something
that
ken
has
brought
up
year
after
year
after
year,
and
it's
been
more
than
five
years
since
it
was
done
last.
So
I
think
time,
so
I
looked
forward
to
hearing
what
everyone
else
did.
Mr
rose.
What.
A
E
B
E
E
D
A
One
of
the
other
questions
that
they're
asking
is
there
any
activities
that
could
be
deferred
referred
or
eliminated?
I'm
just
going
to
put
my
foot
down
and
say
no,
that
everything
that
you
do
is
important
and
we're
not
focusing
on
unimportant
things
right
now.
So
if
you
don't
mind,
that's
how
I'm
going
to
respond
to
that
question
in
terms
of
any
critical
organizational
changes
needed.
A
C
F
F
Just
seeing
that
some
of
the
buildings
that
we
put
on
a
work
plan
are
kind
of
a
no-brainer
for
pspf
to
research
and
write
about
because
they
already
have
a
lot
of
information
rather
than
us,
going
to
an
outside
agency
and
spending
all
of
that
money.
When
there's
a
lot
of
local
resources
that
could
probably
handle
it.
So
that
was
my
one
thought
on
that,
and
then
I
missed
what
we
identified
as
the
priority
one
and
two
of
the
ongoing
or
even
areas
of
focus.
Could
you
reiterate
those.
A
A
I
see
this
not
only
with
the
historic
site
board,
but
also
with
the
planning
commission
as
well
that
there
are
times
where
direction
from
council
on
certain
actions
is
not
always
clear.
So
that's
a
good
process
improvement
is
to
have
better
communication
with
council.
Can
you
think
of
any
other
similar
things
that
we
would
want
to
recommend
to
the
city
council
in
terms
of
process
improvements.
A
F
Nelson
yeah,
I
remember
like
10
years
ago
or
so
when
a
member
of
the
local
media
would
come
to
our
hsb
meeting
every
month
and
then
write
a
little
article
in
the
desert
sun
and
it
really
kept
the
community
informed
and
abreast
of
the
issues,
and
that
seems
to
be
lacking
these
days
because
everyone
relies
on
facebook
or
social
media
or
whatever.
But
we
as
board
members
cannot
put
anything
on
social
media
just
because
it's
not
wise
and
we
we
have.
F
A
I
really
appreciate
your
thoughts
tonight,
members
of
the
board
I'll
go
ahead
and
transcribe
your
recommendations
and
then
forward
those
to
the
city
council
and
again,
I
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
do
with
historic
preservation
and
we'll
make
sure
we
forward
those
thoughts
to
the
council
and
let
them
know
how
important
this
topic
is
to
us
as
well.
So
thank
you
with
that.
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
the
chair.
B
B
Our
little
subcommittee
last
met
by
zoom
on
july
15th,
and
we
discussed
many
many
symposium
topics
and
and
and
possible
tours
of
properties
as
well,
and
we
completed
a
list
of
potential
presentations
for
for
further
review
and
discussions
kind
of
working
through
the
summer
a
little
bit,
and
so
our
next
meeting
is
this
week.
We
have
a
meeting
coming
up
on
thursday
september
16th
and
at
this
meeting,
we're
really
going
to
get
down
and
compile
a
more
complete
list.
B
After
you
know
the
meeting
and
having
the
opportunity
to
explore
many
things
over
the
last
couple
months,
and
so
so
we
will
have
a
list
of
ideas
and
then
we
will.
I
I
would
like
to
share
that
list
with
with
the
board
for
for
you
to
review
and
give
your
ideas
and
and
points
of
view
about
them
and
and
and
possibly
help
us
work
with
presenters
and
and
how
we
can
move
forward.
B
So
the
the
date
reserved
for
the
symposium
is
on
saturday
april
23rd
2022,
and
we
have
a
reservation
at
the
palm
springs
convention
center,
as
as
far
as
as
I
know,
and
the
the
location
for
the
second
day,
which
would
be
the
sunday
the
24th
has
yet
to
be
determined,
and
hopefully
we
can
discuss
that
at
our
meeting
on
on
thursday
as
well.
So
mr
lyon
is,
are
we
pretty
well
confirmed
for
that
date?
At
the
convention
center
april,
23.
C
B
C
C
F
You
know
too
many
people
emailing
at
once
before
then,
because
I
think
the
more
input
we
get
the
better
and
it
is
worth
noting
that
the
people
who
were
going
to
create
an
audio
visual
presentation
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
assist
us
for
the
april
event.
So
that's
something
we're
going
to
have
to
discuss
and
come
to
a
determination
on,
and
I'm
sure
we'll
be
talking
about
that
on
thursday.
B
And
another
thing
is,
we
often
have
a
like
a
subtitle
to
the
preservation
matters,
so
some
a
unifying
a
theme
that
ties
the
sessions
together
in
a
meaningful
and
relevant
way.
So
if
you're,
you
know
thinking
of
a
kind
of
overall
theme
that
you'd
like
to
tie
things
together,
we'd
love
to
hear
about
that,
because
we
we
often
like
to
to
do
that
last
year.
It
was
you
know
the
three
you
know
the
three
r's
rest,
restoration
and
and
and
reuse
and
renovation.
B
F
F
B
E
B
Okay,
okay,
all
right!
Well,
we
can
move
right
along
to
to
board
member
comments,
and
I
would
just
like
to
say
you
know,
in
light
of
our
earlier
conversation
about,
you
know
the
in
the
endangered
properties
and
and
the
risks
that
that
are.
You
know
that
have
happened,
especially
you
know
all
the
the
the
code
compliance
breaches,
that
kind
of
had
happened
over
the
summer
time.
B
I
mean
we're
just
scared
to
death
that
it's
gonna
catch
on
fire
and
burn
up
the
whole
block.
So
I
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
interventions
that
can
be
made
by
by
staff
that
have
more
clout
or
or
the
council
that
has
the
clout
that
we
need,
that
that
how
can
we,
as
the
group
as
a
community
be
a
little
bit
more
proactive
and
and,
and
you
know,
protect
these
properties?
B
B
B
C
The
second
thing,
with
respect
to
specifically
the
taunton
country
center
I'll
speak
with
flynn
later,
but
maybe
we
can
reach
out
to
the
developer
and
see
if
he
has
a
schedule
in
terms
of
what
he
envisions
moving
forward
with
actually
beginning
that
phase
of
the
downtown
project,
because
block
k,
which
is
what
is
comprises,
the
town
and
country
center,
was
originally
identified
in
the
downtown
specific
plan.
As
the
final
phase
of
the
redevelopment
of
downtown.
C
Now
I
know
that
there's
still
a
a
residential
type
of
building
that
I
believe
is
going
to
be
built
across
from
the
park.
So
perhaps
again
I
don't
know
if
that's
still
what
the
phasing
and
scheduling
is,
but
maybe
we
can
have
the
developer,
give
us
a
bit
more
clarification
as
far
as
where
he
sees
his
schedule
going
in
terms
of
bringing
bringing
back
the
town
and
country
center
to
a
viable
filled,
restored
space.
E
F
How
long
I
know
we
talked
about
schedules,
but
there's
got
to
be
something
in
there.
That
says
you
know.
Once
the
property
has
been
identified
for
rehabilitation,
you
have
one
year,
two
years,
three
years.
What
is
it
and
when
that
time
is
up,
do
they
have
to
reapply
and
present
a
new
plan,
because
that
seems
to
be
happening
with
a
lot
of
buildings,
the
orchid
tree
in
that's
another
great
example,
so
I'm
kind
of
curious.
F
D
C
E
Mr
roosevelt,
I
have
a
question
specifically
for
the
town
and
country,
but
more
generally,
who
provides
the
security
and
and
and
wherewithal
to
keep
track
to
make
sure
is
that
is
that
a
city
I
mean
other
than
the
code,
compliance
who's
going
out
there
and
making
sure
the
homeless
people
don't
actually
invade
the
building
or
keeping
them
out.
That
sort
of
thing.
E
C
F
Without
due
respect
to
the
whole
conversation
and
the
staff,
it
just
seems,
like
you
know,
the
owner
developer
of
this
property,
town
country
and
orca
tree
basically
have
gotten
a
free
pass
to
just
keep
beating
around
the
bush
with
these
two
properties
and
they
just
get
the
delays
and
they
just
keep
going
on
and
on
and
on.
I
don't
really
understand.
I
wish
there
was
some
kind
of
concrete
explanation
as
to
why
they're
allowed
to
continue
this
way.
F
I
know
under
the
previous
mayor
we
revised
the
vacant
building
ordinance
and
the
previous
chair
worked
behind
the
scenes
to
help
ensure
that
this
was
changed
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
affecting
any
real
change
that
the
previous
board
had
hoped
for,
and
I'd
like
to
know.
Why
that's
the
case,
if
there's
some
way,
we
can
get
some
kind
of
answers
for
all
that.
C
In
the
case
of
the
town
and
country,
there
was
a
pretty
serious
effort
made
by
the
city
council
to
get
that
developer
to
do
more
to
make
sure
that
building
remains
secure.
In
the
case
of
the
orchid
tree,
you
know
it's.
The
same
kind
of
thing:
you've
got
a
developer
who
keeps
coming
through
with
various
applications.
The
city
makes
approvals
on
the
applications
and
the
developer
doesn't
go
forward.
You
know
it.
C
C
F
So
is
there
any
way
that
this
board
can
make
a
suggestion,
a
recommendation
to
the
planning
commission
or
to
the
planning
department
to
pass
on
to
study
council
that
our
town
and
country
requires
immediate
attention
in
terms
of
security
which
should
cut
it
covered
under
the
vacant.
Building's
ordinance.
C
B
And-
and
I
I
would
agree,
you
know
reviewing
the
the
security
plan
and
and
that
you
know
the
ordinance,
but
I
do
think
mr
kaiser's
recommendation
you
know
to
to
get
with.
You
know
our
local
owner.
You
know
for
the
town
and
country
property,
particularly
because,
because
they
are
local,
they
live
here.
B
They
they
really
do
care
about
our
community,
and
I
think
you
know
getting
together
and
having
a
friendly
introductory
kind
of
discussion
about
our
concerns
and
and
what
we
can
do
to
be
proactive
to
work
together
on
on
solving.
You
know
this
problem
and
instead
of
having
to
to
do
the
heavy,
the
heavy
hammer,
as
remember
kaiser,
said
so
anyway.
Well
we're
all
so
very
concerned.
F
Yeah,
so
the
three
comments
I
have
that
I
didn't
get
to
yet
I'll:
try
to
keep
them
quick,
they're,
really
comments
in
the
forms
of
questions
for
staff,
and
I
would
love
an
answer
to
each
of
the
three.
The
first
would
be
an
update
on
the
cooking
bottle.
This
is
something
I've
asked
about
in
previous
meetings
and
don't
really
seem
to
have
gotten
an
answer.
F
C
You
let
me
handle
why
don't
you
let
me
handle
these
as
you
go
through
here
sure
sure
I
may
not.
My
feeble
brain
may
not
remember
the
details.
Cork
and
bottle
has
gone
through
its
renovation.
The
building
owner
has
done
the
restoration
on
the
exterior.
According
to
the
hspb's
approvals,
they
are
going
to
be
seeking
tenants
and
until
they
do,
the
interiors
will
probably
remain
unfinished.
F
Okay,
great
and
on
that
note
I
seem
to
recall
some
years
ago,
some
storyboards
in
the
front
of
the
building
in
the
glass
window
that
have
like
old
pictures
and
we're
touting
the
upcoming
restoration
of
the
building.
Is
that
something
I'm
remembering
incorrectly?
Was
that
something
hspb
or
if
the
city
did
on
behalf
of
the
owner.
F
Okay,
maybe
that
would
be
a
smart
thing
for
us
to
look
at
if
we
have
a
budget
for
it,
because
right
now,
you're
just
looking
into
this
big
empty
space
and
the
plaque
in
the
building
unfortunately
has
been
graffitied,
which
is
really
a
shame.
So
maybe
there's
something
we
could
talk
about.
Maybe
you
know
just
on
the
side
to
see
if
we
can
enhance
the
facade
somehow
so
that
people
can
read
about
the
history
of
the
building
and
how
it
was
dilapidated
and
now
and
saved.
F
C
Having
said
that,
yes,
the
library,
like
many
city
facilities,
you
know,
is
getting
heavy
use
and
you
see
graffiti
and
things
like
that
happen.
Unfortunately,
I
think
we
can
bring
it
to
facility
department's
attention
that
there
have
been
concerns
about
it.
I
think
that
things
like
graffiti
and
that
kind
of
stuff
again,
we
just
need
to
keep
on
top
of
it
in
terms
of
turning
it
into
code
enforcement.
C
I
think
that
the
city
may
may
be
at
a
crossroads
where
it's
it's
going
to
start
looking
at
its
facilities,
rather
than
the
the
poor
orphan
child
with
no
shoes,
and
instead
have
the
city
facilities
become
the
benchmark
by
which
the
rest
of
the
private
building
owners
should
be
maintaining
their
buildings.
It's
very
hard
for
the
city
to
be
pointing
fingers
at
private
building
owners
and
demanding
that
they
improve
and
fix
up
their
building
when
the
city
buildings,
don't
look
any
better,
so
I
think
it's
an
ongoing
challenge.
C
The
city
has
had
you
know,
boom
and
bust
years,
which
have
led
to
probably
cuts
and
and
funding
on
maintenance,
and
things
like
that.
I
I
don't
know
the
whole
dynamic.
It's
a
it's
an
area
that
I'm
not.
I
don't
work
with
on
a
regular
basis,
but
I'll
I'll
talk
with
director
about
it
and
see,
if
maybe
there's
something
that
we
can
look
at
globally
in
terms
of
city
facilities
and
kind
of
maintenance
needs
that
they
need
that
they
have.
F
C
F
Okay,
because
I
remember
differently
that
since
since
you
began
at
least
at
least
10
years
ago,
I
remember
them
being
part
of
the
city,
but
maybe
I'm
wrong
on
that.
But
I
also
remember
that
they
would
be
more
in
tandem
with
the
city
staff
when
it
came
to
providing
information
and
background
for
reports
and
nominations
and
so
forth.
And
so
it's
surprising
to
me
that
these
days
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
much
interaction
between
the
pumpkins
historical
society
and
the
hsb
and
the
city
staff.
Behind
the
hsb.
C
Well,
it
may
be
that
you're
not
seeing
things,
because
it's
not
the
kind
of
thing
that's
that
visible,
but
I'm
in
pretty
regular
contact
with
renee
brown
and
others
when
it
comes
to
different
matters
of
seeking
information
on
various
properties,
things
that
come
in
from
the
public
that
have
questions
that
I
can't
answer.
I
often
turn
to
the
palm
springs
historical
society
staff
to
see
what
kind
of
resources
and
knowledge
they
may
have.
C
C
Now
maybe
there's
a
way
that
it
can
be
further
enhanced,
I'm
not
saying
that
there
isn't,
but
I'm
saying
there
is
a
relationship
there
and
it's
a
it's
one
that
it's
a
working
relationship
as
far
as
I'm
concerned.
I'm
I'm
not
aware
of
anything,
that's
a
an
impediment
and
I
certainly
feel
very
comfortable
and
free
to
reach
out
to
them.
When
I
have
resources
that
I
need,
they
have
a
certain
agreement
that
they
have
set
up
with
the
city
some
time
ago.
C
I
believe
with
the
city
manager
in
which
the
use
of
some
of
their
resources
like
photographs
and
stuff,
like
that,
we
are
given
a
certain
allowance
of
a
number
of
photos
per
year
that
they
will
provide
to
us
at
no
cost
and
then
beyond
that
it
becomes
a
situation
where
we're
having
to
pay
for
the
use
of
their
materials.
Just
like
the
public
does.
B
And
and
then
I
might
add,
as
we
are
inviting
the
historical
society
to
be
part
of
our
symposium,
we
want
them
to
participate
and
and
be
part
of
the
programming,
and
so
we
will
involve
them
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
to
work
with
us
on
on
the
topics
that
are,
you
know
most
pressing
for
for
them
in
regard
to
preservation
as
well.
So
we
will,
we
will
invite
them
to
attend
our
meetings
and
and
help
us
too.
B
B
C
C
That
would
be,
you
know
a
learning
opportunity
both
for
board
members
and
for
the
public
who
are
watching
these
meetings.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
around
town.
The
names
like
will
kleindings
and
tracy
conrad
renee
brown
and
many
many
others
who
have
a
wealth
of
knowledge
about
the
history
of
palm
springs,
patty
tuck
over
at
the
tribe,
many
people
who
are
knowledgeable,
who,
I
think,
would
be
willing
to
come
in
and
share
their
knowledge
in
a
little
brief.
Like
I
say,
10
minute
or
15
minute.
C
I
I've
shared
with
the
new
members,
millers
miller
and
hanson,
that
you
know
one
of
the
enormous
resources
that
we
lost
this
past
year
in
terms
of
education
and
outreach,
was
robert
ember
and-
and
I
wish
we
had
someone
like
robert
ember,
who
could
who
could
you
know,
do
a
tutorial
for
new
members
so
that
they
they
do
become
familiar
with
or
become
more
familiar
with
the
amazing
history
of
this
place.
So
that's.
D
B
Very
good,
thank
you
any
other
further
discussions,
comments
or
or
anything
this
evening,
none,
okay,
seeing
no
further
discussion.
This
meeting
of
the
historic
site
preservation
board
is
adjourned
to
the
meeting
of
tuesday
october
5
2021
at
5
30.
So
we'll
adjourn
today
at
706,
and
I
thank
you
all
for
participating
today
in
a
very,
very
good,
lively
and
serious
discussion
about
many
many
topics
and
and
and
and
our
the
all,
the
the
tough
jobs
we
have
to
do
with
this
board.
So
thank
you
very
much.