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A
A
B
C
B
D
A
All
in
favor
aye.
Thank
you
very
much
public
comment.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
Preservation
Board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
board.
Although
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board,
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
There
will
be
three
minutes
assigned
for
each
speaker.
Testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
hearing.
A
E
With
regard
to
the
preservation
of
this
building
material,
the
intent
was
to
identify
rare
patterns
to
give
a
little
context
with
regard
to
the
history
of
screen
block
within
the
the
overall
modernist
movement
and
we're
happy
to
say,
we've
already
sold
500
copies
of
it
I'm
here
today
to
give
a
copy
to
the
planning
staff
in
furtherance
of
their
official
duties
and
I
remind
them.
It
is
for
official
use
only
and
not
to
be
enjoyed.
E
We
are
in
fact
going
to.
We
did
a
lecture
in
conjunction
with
this
this
book
during
modernism
week
and
we've
been
asked
by
the
neva
Nevada
Preservation
Foundation
to
reprise
the
lecture
in
Nevada.
So
if
you
missed
it,
the
first
time
bill
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
it's
going
to
be
given
in
Las
Vegas
on
April
28th
at
5:30,
thirty
minutes
after
half
the
hour
and
it's
a
free
lecture
bill.
E
I
know
that
will
appeal
to
you
also
and
that's
part
of
the
Las
Vegas
Nevada,
Preservation,
Foundation's,
home
and
history
program
and
I
think
you're
also
still
allowed
back
in
Las,
Vegas
Flynn
as
I
recall.
Maybe
so,
if
you
get
an
opportunity,
it'll
be
given
in
Las
Vegas
again
on
April
28th,
and
maybe
we'll
see
you
there
if
you
missed
it
this
time
around
it's
modernism
week.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
You
mr.
Marshall,
before
I,
ask
if
anyone
else
would
like
to
speak.
I
would
mention
that
the
book
is,
if
you
haven't,
received
a
copy
of
the
book
or
purchased
a
copy
of
the
book.
It
has
a
great
local
impact.
Not
only
was
it
written
by
Rana
Barbara
Marshall,
the
book
was
designed
by
Gary
Wexler.
There
are
a
lot
of
local
references.
There
is
a
area
of
Indian
Canyon
where
there
are
19
examples
of
the
block
in
one
particular
area.
A
F
Morning,
my
name
is
Chris
Monroe
present
Palm
Springs,
modern
committee
and
I'm
here
apropos
my
last
time.
That
I
was
here
talking
about
one
of
the
preservation
issues
and
we
at
the
Montcalm
went
back
kind
of
thought
a
little
bit
about
what
we
had
been
talking
about
and
we
reached
out
to
our
attorney
and
we
have
crafted
and
I'm
gonna
have
got
a
copy
for
everyone,
including
the
staff.
What
we
think
this
had
to
do
with
the
integrity
question
would.
A
F
Was
all
right,
and
so
we
went
and
talked
to
her
and
she
looked
at
our
president
and
with
it
seemed
in
that
meeting.
There
was
a
definite
question
about
well,
this
isn't
really
written
or
codified
or
anything
of
that
nature.
So
we
had
her
look
at
it.
Look
at
other
preservation,
ordinances
that
other
cities
in
California
have
and
craft
this,
and
everything
in
red
is
what
we
have
suggested
could
be
added
to
our
ordinance
and
probably
the
most
important
thing
on.
F
It
is
page
three,
the
first
red
thing
under
class,
one
where
it
says
a
class
one
Historic
Site
being
nominated
for
architectural
merit
must
manifest
integrity
of
design,
material
and
workmanship,
and
then
integrity
is
defined
earlier
on
pages
one
and
two.
So
we
would
like
to
offer
this
as
a
recommendation
that
maybe
everyone
could
come
and
take
a
look
at
it.
A
D
Hi
good
morning
my
name
is
Barbara
Marshall
I'm,
with
the
Palm
Springs
Preservation
Foundation,
the
Palm
Springs
Preservation
Foundation
over
the
last
several
years
has
published
a
series
of
postcards.
Our
postcards
are
called.
This
is
Palm
Springs
and
we
featured
over
the
years
a
number
of
different
properties
in
Palm
Springs.
D
This
past
February
we
featured
the
hideaway
hotel,
formerly
called
the
town
in
desert,
and
the
reason
that
we
did.
That
is
because
we
are
going
to
be
celebrating
Herbert
burns
weekend
on
March
23rd
and
24th
I'd
like
to
tell
the
board
and
all
your
listeners.
If
you
haven't
heard
about
it,
there
will
be
a
lecture
on
Friday
evening.
The
23rd.
There
will
be
a
tour
on
Saturday
afternoon,
followed
by
a
cocktail
event
on
Saturday
evening.
D
More
importantly,
the
weekend
is
going
to
include
the
release
of
our
next
tribute
journal,
entitled
the
design
of
Herbert
W
burns.
It's
going
to
be
an
82
page
journal.
We're
really
excited
about
it
because
author
P
SPF
board
members
Steven
keel
on
had
the
good
fortune
to
actually
be
able
to
track
down
some
Burns
family
members
and
obtained
a
huge
variety
of
family
photos
and
background
information
on
the
life
of
Herbert
Burns.
D
A
On
that
note,
local
preservationist,
Tracy
Conrad
wrote
an
extensive
piece
in
Sunday's
paper
called
thanks
for
the
memories
talking
specifically
about
herbert
burns,
so
certainly
becoming
more
important
and
being
more
recognized
and
one
of
our
local
architects
or
local
architectural
designers,
who
ten
years
ago
was
little
known
and
today
we're
learning
a
lot
more
about
his
his
projects.
So
that's
all
I
can
say
about
that.
Seeing
no
one
else
in
the
audience
wishing
to
come
forward
to
speak,
we
will
close
the
public
comment
all
right.
Thank
you,
Flynn
mr.
A
B
A
Okay,
coming
back
to
the
agenda
item
number
1
on
our
agenda
is
the
consent
calendar,
and
this
is
approval
of
the
minutes.
February
2018
HSP
be
meeting
because
we
have
a
fairly
light
agenda
today
and
some
extensive
minutes
from
the
February
meeting
I'd
ask
the
board
to
please.
If
we
will
do
you
have
any
questions,
concerns
edits
or
changes
to
the
minutes.
If
you
didn't
have
a
chance
to
go
through
them,
I
would
take
that
time.
Right
now,
I
have
a
couple
of.
A
Under
the
discussions
on
the
this
would
be
under
item
4
new
business
for
a
to
reference
it
as
the
shale-gas
day.
There
were
a
number
of
things
here.
We
approved
that
project
with
quite
a
few
conditions
and
I
believe.
We
also
then
assigned
a
subcommittee
of
Lavoie
and
Hays
and
I'm
curious
as
to
whether
there's
been
any
follow
up
by
the
subcommittee.
Yet
no.
B
A
The
last
sentence
says
member
Hays
expressed
concern
about
cutting
the
structural
slab
at
the
top
of
page
seven
staff
lion
explained
that
the
lights
or
LED
can
be
cut
to
the
length
of
eight
feet.
I
feel
like
there's
a
little
disconnect
in
the
minutes
between
the
bottom
of
page
6
and
the
top
of
page
7
Todd.
Do
you
feel
that
this
expressed
what
you
needed
it
to
express
in
the
minutes,
so
I.
E
A
That's
I
think
that's
the
detail.
I
was
missing
because
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
about
the
roof
structure,
not
cutting
into
the
structure,
it
being
a
port
port,
concrete
structure
and
again,
as
I
reviewed
the
minutes.
I
didn't
see
much
discussion
on
on
that,
so
I
would
again
I
would
defer
to
members
Lavoie
and
Hays
because
it
really
was
they're
addressing
the
concrete
canopy
and
going
with
the
additional
it's
the
valence
at
the
western
edge
of
this
of
the
roof.
A
G
A
A
G
A
A
Flint
the
reason
I
asked
if
mr.
Lyon
was
going
to
be
here
this
morning
is
that
I
did
email
him
and
ask
him
for
a
update
on
the
Steve
McQueen
property.
Do
you
have
an
update
for
us?
We
will
have
that
under
staff
comments:
okay,
excellent,
because
I
have
I
brought
some
notes
again,
based
on
the
minutes
that
we
just
approved
and
reviewed,
and
this
kind
of
why
I
asked
for
a
follow-up
on
the
McQueen
property,
so
we'll
do
that
under
staff
comments.
Okay,
excellent,
all
right!
So
the
first
discussion
item
is
5a.
A
C
C
The
on
the
tour's
finalizing
the
last
one
right
now
met
with
homeowners
yesterday
and
that's
at
the
bottom
of
the
of
the
list.
There
are
two
residences
that
are
found
by
Howard
Lapham
and
since
Lapham
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
presentations
at
our
at
our
event,
very
excited
that
now
we
will
have
besides
the
desert
star
being
a
Lapham,
deep,
well,
residence
there's
two
residences
is
one:
is
the
one
on
manzanita
that
did
a
lot
of
research
on
this
and
uncovered
through
actually
somewhat
Patrick
mcruiz.
C
On
his
had
the
Indy
Center
and
met
with
the
homeowners
yesterday
and
they're,
two
different,
the
one
house
has
all
original
st.
Charles
kitchen
original
bathrooms
and
the
other
house,
even
though
architectural
II,
it
hasn't
been
messed
with,
except
in
a
couple
of
places.
It's
a
whole
different
scene
on
the
inside,
but
it
definitely
shows-
and
the
diversity
of
the
work
is
quite
quite
amazing
as
well
and
I
think
that
property
Emperor
is
going
to
step
up
to
the
plate
and
guide
those
two
tours
that
that
tour.
E
C
This
workshop
and
remember,
haze
is
going
to
be
a
part
of
a
five-person
panel
actually,
and
the
whole
idea
of
this
workshop
is
to
dispel
some
of
the
myths.
That's
out
there
in
the
think
in
the
realtor
community,
there'll
be
discussions
about
hemlines,
going
to
be
talking
about
the
different
designations
and
the
so
that
people
have
a
better
understanding,
there'll,
be
discussions
about
marketing
the
program
and
a
mart
and
how
realtors
can
market
successfully.
C
The
decline
of
property
is
designated
art
being
considered
to
be
designated,
and
the
representative
from
the
Riverside
County
will
be
here
as
part
of
the
panel
and
he's
going
to
be
talking
about
the
mills
act
and
the
tax
advantages
that
are
available
to
the
client.
So
the
and
the
Board
of
Realtors
I'm,
very
happy
to
report
is
went
behind
this.
C
They
tell
me
100%
they're,
just
waiting
for
the
promotion
piece
to
be
done
by
Cindy,
which
I'm
anticipating
will
be
done
actually
tomorrow
or
the
next
day,
and
then
they'll
be
putting
it
out
to
their
board
all
their
people
rather
and
we'll
give
them
about
four
or
five
days
to
be
the
first
ones
to
register,
and
then
we
would
then
be
able
to
open
it
up
to
the
public
at
large.
I
think
it's
something
that
the
board
members
really
urge
you
to
attend
as
well
and
I.
C
Think
what's
really
cool
is
that
flemm
has
made
arrangements
that
we
can
hold
this
at
the
in
the
council
chambers
and
that
being
a
class
one
and
ringing
in
the
California
Preservation
Foundation
I.
Think
that
that's
a
great
venue
for
us
to
to
have
so
that
is
well
underway
and
we're
just
I'm
just
workin,
with
Cindy
to
finalizing
the
last
few
details,
and
that
is
pretty
much
it
except.
Please
all
pray
things
going
smoothly
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
great
event,
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
advance
interest.
C
C
Think
Bob
Bogart
has
offered
his
services
to
help
us
promote
the
event
at
no
charge
and
get
us
more
press
and
to
get
us
out
into
possibly
other
forms
of
media
like
radio
and
TV
so
I'm
meeting
with
him
this
week
and
to
get
that
going
as
as
well
so
that
we
can
really
get
the
word
out
and
I
think
that's
pretty
much
it
any
questions.
Anyone
has.
C
C
B
D
C
A
Wow
I
dick
couple
of
quick
things.
Please
and
again
is
this-
is
shaping
up
to
be
another
amazing
event
and
I
can't
acknowledge
you
and
the
subcommittee
enough
for
the
the
detail
and
the
effort
that
you're
putting
forth
on
on
this
are
the
preservation
organizations
you
mentioned
the
same,
the
same
five
or
the
five
and
they're
all
confirmed.
Yes,.
C
A
C
C
A
C
C
A
Just
think
it's
important
beside
the
fact
that
I'm,
a
realtor
I
just
think
the
HSP
be
if
we
can
be
there
to
partake
in
this
I
think
it's
very
important,
so
I
would
encourage
the
HSP
be
members
to
can
commit
to
being
there
on
that
Monday.
Any
other
questions
for
dick
on
this.
Okay,
all
right,
dick!
Thank
you
very
much
again,
as
I
mentioned,
shaping
up
to
be
really
a
wonderful
symposium.
A
A
A
B
B
It
was
a
class
three
structure,
and
so
there
was
concern
on
the
part
of
the
board
in
terms
of
how
do
we
address
that,
and
so,
if
you
are
to
discuss
changes
to
the
ordinance,
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
give
you
a
framework
for
that
discussion
to
help
lead
you
in
terms
of
what
you
want
to
achieve
and
what
you
want
to
accomplish
by
doing
that.
First
of
all,
what
you
might
consider
is:
what
should
this
apply
to
and
so
you're
defining?
B
What
would
this
ordinance
apply
to,
since
you
are
the
historic
site,
preservation
board,
I'm,
assuming
that
has
to
be
some
type
of
historic
structure
and
so
most
likely?
That
would
apply
to
class
three
structures,
but
again
that's
something
that
you
need
to
address.
Secondly,
think
about
what
should
be
the
threshold
requirements
for
Historic
Site
reservation
board
review
at
what
point
would
these
types
of
actions
need
to
come
before
you?
B
Typically
in
our
code,
we
have
some
type
of
a
threshold
requirement,
for
example
for
architectural
review.
You
need
to
add
on
400
square
feet
or
do
some
other
define
change
to
the
property,
which
would
then
require
it
to
go
before
architectural
advisory
committees,
and
so
in
a
similar
fashion.
You
need
to
establish
some
type
of
threshold
requirement
of
when
this
would
be
required
to
come
before
the
board.
B
Another
thing
that
you
need
to
think
about
is
criteria
for
evaluation,
all
of
our
boards
and
committees,
that
review
applications
have
established
criteria
for
either
approving
or
denying
the
applications,
and
so
that's
another
thing
that
we
need
to
think
about.
Also
in
terms
of
setting
the
applicable
I
can't
even
say
it
now
applicability
of
this
ordinance.
What's
going
to
be
the
volume
of
applications
that
we
would
have
before
you
do,
we
have
adequate
staff
to
address
that.
B
What
we
need
to
do
additional
HSP
be
meetings
again
things
that
we
need
to
take
into
consideration
and
then
finally
kind
of
looking
at
the
purpose,
the
overall
purpose.
How
does
this
fit
in
with
the
mission
of
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board?
Does
it
address
goals
that
we
have
in
our
general
plan?
So
those
are
things
that
we
typically
do
as
part
of
any
ordinance.
Adoption
is
how
does
it
fit
into
the
city's
larger
mission?
So
again,
these
are
just
some
thoughts
in
terms
of
discussion
points
and
with
that
mr.
A
Thank
you,
so
I
would
recommend
that
I'm
not
sure
we're
going
to
solve
this
entire
issue
today.
I
think
this
is
the
beginning
of
a
conversation
when
mr.
Lavoie
smiles
at
me
I
take
that
as
an
affirmation.
So
why
don't?
We
follow
staffs,
lead
and
talk
about
these
as
they
are
given
us
as
bullet
points.
A
A
So,
let's
start
with
the
first
bullet
point:
it's
the
applicability
if
I
pronounced
that
correctly
to
what
types
of
structures
all
class,
three
structures,
residential
structures,
only
commercial
structures
only
should
the
proposed
discretionary
to
what
should
the
proposed
discretionary
review
apply.
So
certainly
taking
the
most
recent
house
into
a
question
here.
It
was
the
John
Porter
Clark
house.
It
was
certainly
a
class
three
known
architect.
A
It
was
of
the
Spanish
style
and
it
went
through
whatever
cities
review
process
it
did
and
it
was
allowed
to
tear
everything
down
except
a
supporting
wall
or
a
chimney
and
a
rebuild
so
I
think
that
we
want
to
certainly
avoid
that
from
happening,
continuing
to
happen
or
ongoing.
So
it
begs
the
question
all
class
three
structures
and
so
all
class
three
structures
again
would
be
any.
A
A
A
B
E
B
A
G
Mr.
Lavoie
mr.
chair,
please,
this
is
what
we
do
in
Santa
Barbara
and
our
meetings
last
five
to
six
hours
long.
We
have
and
I
mean
and
they're
getting
longer
as
part
of
that
effort.
We
have
a
city
historian,
who
does
a
preliminary
evaluation
of
the
property,
and
if
it
meets
certain
criteria
or
a
number
of
criteria,
then
she
does
the
first
design
review
that
it
happens
to
be
a
woman.
G
They
do
a
a
design
review
and
for
her
to
assist
her
in
that
we
have
a
very
clear
set
of
guidelines
as
to
what
the
threshold
is
certain
minor
things
like
window
replacement
in
kind
or
just
they
can
rubber
stamp
them
and
then
a
set
of
guidelines
as
to
what
is
an
appropriate
addition
or
change
to
an
historic
resource.
And
if
it's
more
than
the
threshold-
and
we
do
we
view
it,
but
that
person
will
write
a
letter
to
the
to
the
board
commission.
G
Presenting
her
evaluation
of
what
those
changes
are,
and
it
makes
our
job
a
lot
easier,
it
makes,
and
those
guidelines
are
fairly
detailed
because
of
the
many
different
styles
of
architecture
in
Santa
Barbara.
What
is
appropriate
one
might
not
be
appropriate
to
another
and
how
to
go
about
adding
on
and
changing
an
historic
resource.
G
G
G
G
Without
a
permit,
then
you
evaluate
the
building
before
the
work
was
done.
Not
after
ordering
lets
give
me
a
next
means,
gonna
be
lovely,
so
those
are
some
of
the
things
you
know
that
this
board
is
gonna,
be
facing
if
the
city,
this
city
precedes
this
way,
it's
it's
necessary
if
you
want
to
preserve
historic
resources
that
are
important,
but
you
have
to
know
that
some
aren't
gonna
be
worth
saving.
A
D
There
and
Bill
you
may
know
the
answer
to
this:
are
there
communities
out
there
that
have
an
ordinance
similar
to
what
we're
constructing,
maybe
not
as
in-depth
as
Santa
Barbara's
it
could?
We
are
there
examples
of
what
we're
looking
at,
what
direction
we're
trying
to
move
towards
I
mean
this
is
this
is
a
big
assignment
when
you
don't
have
anything
to
base
your
comments
off
of
I
mean
there's
nothing
here
that
we
can
refer
to
yeah.
A
I,
don't
think
the
city
can
afford
a
preservation
officer
or
the
person
you
just
described,
and
so
it
does
fall,
I
think
building
safety
planning
to
look
at
a
project
from
the
remodel
point
of
view
and
somehow
let
that
person
have
more
responsibility
to
say
to
the
applicant
well
gee,
if
you're,
removing
90%
of
the
property,
that's
not
really
a
remodel,
that's
a
reconstruction
or
that's
a
something
else.
So
this
is
going
to
be
a
big
task.
A
G
B
A
C
Also,
when
I
did,
that
of
the
and
I
found
those
five
cities,
they
also,
some
of
those
cities
address
exactly
what
you're
talking
as
to
the
percentage
demo
that
is
going
to
occur
on
any
property.
So
there
I
have
a
few
examples
that
we
could
share
with
you.
Then
it
would
help
staff
as
well,
because
it
has
been
done
by
some
other
cities
comes,
to
my
mind,
is
West.
Hollywood
is
one
of
them
and
also
up
in
st.
Alena
and
trying
to
recall
the
other
ones,
whether
whether
they
didn't
all
have
that
component
as
well.
C
B
B
You
adopt
it
as
a
code
requirement
than
staff
is
trained
on
that
code
requirement,
but
you
need
to
clearly
establish
in
your
code
what
that
threshold
is
right.
So,
for
example,
we've
been
using
a
percentage,
you
would
define
that
percentage
as
either
twenty
five
percent
or
50
percent
of
the
existing
growth
square
footage
of
the
residents
anything
more
than
that
would
require
some
type
of
discretionary
review,
something
along
those
lines
and
that's
fairly
easy
to
do
and
then
again,
if
we
apply
it
to
class
three
structures.
D
A
Okay,
so
we've
talked
about
applicability,
then
the
threshold
requirements,
the
scope
of
the
review,
what
actions
all
remodeling
work
on
partial
demolition
and
so
I
think
that
I
see
the
board,
leaning
towards
a
percentage
and
so
before
we
define
before
we
define
what
that
percentage
is
we'll
come
back
to
some
more
discussion.
I
think
Dan
was
next
bill.
Please
Dan
one.
D
Of
the
houses
that
you
know
triggered
all
of
this
is
the
Clark
house
on
Lola
and
I've
been
following
it.
It's
reframed
now
the
part
that's
going
to
be
built
less
than
one
only
about
one
third
of
that
house
was
torn
down
just
an
FYI.
It
was
the
center
part
which
was
the
most
characteristic
of
the
structure.
I,
don't
know
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
but
it
doesn't
look
to
me
like
they're,
building
back
too
much
bigger
or
too
much
different
than
what
was
there.
So
that's
with
like
one
third
being
torn
down.
Okay,.
D
We're
trying
to
come
up
with
a
criteria
that
would
have
come
in
anyway.
It's
a
class
three
structure,
but
if
they're
basing
it
on
square
footage
that
part
could
still
be
torn
down.
If
this,
if
we
had
a
50%
designation,
this
Clark
house
would
have
passed
50%
less
than
50%
was
torn
down.
It
was
the
center
section
that
was
torn
down,
but
less
than
50%
was
torn
down,
so
it
would
not
have
been
reviewed.
Okay,
but.
G
What,
if
that
25%
were
20-foot
tall
Corinthian
columns
on
the
front
of
in
house
we
use
in
Santa
Barbara,
not
not
a
percentage,
but
the
the
loss
of
character,
defining
features
and
those
are
defined
for
each
style
and
the
front
facade
is,
is
what
what
the
streets,
what
the
street
sees,
what
the
public
sees
as
the
most
important.
So
quite
often,
we
allow
yeah
you
sort
of
keep
the
first
five
feet
and
you
can
do
anything
you
want
to
the
back
as
long
as
it
doesn't
get
bigger
and
overwhelm
what's
in
front.
A
So
interesting
bill
as
Dan
was
saying
the
center
portion
of
this
house,
perhaps
the
most
characteristic
portion
of
the
house.
Let's
say
it
is
this
magnificent
living
room
with
stenciled
ceilings
and
a
stone
fireplace
you
would
allow
that
to
go
given
that
they
kept
the
five
feet
of
the
ELA
front
elevation.
We
only
concern
with.
E
I
was
gonna,
add
what
what
what
bill
just
said,
that
there
needs
to
be
some
sort
of
Pro
provision
in
there
with
respect
to
saving
the
street
frontage
or
what
appears
from
the
street
and
so
to
address.
What
Dan
had
said
that
if
there
were
a
pro
provision
and
the
new
ordinance
that
basically
restricted
what
could
have
been
done
from
the
street
say
they
could
have
torn
down
75%
of
the
house
and
they
restricted
what
could
be
changed
on
the
on
the
street
facade
of
the
house.
That
would
have
prevented
that
from
happening.
E
So
that's
an
easy
thing.
I
think
to
rectify
is
that
there
needs
to
be
both
whether
or
not
it's
you
know
characteristic
of
the
house
or
percentage
of
the
house,
but
certainly
in
addition
to
that,
the
street
facade
of
the
house,
so
planning
knows
not
only
that
75%
of
it
or
25%
of
it
is
alter.
What
what
is
or
where
is
that
alteration
taking
place.
A
So
Flynn
this
this
discussion
that
we're
having
now
does
this
fall
under
the
threshold
bullet
point
here,
yeah.
B
A
A
I'd,
like
the
board
to
discuss
for
a
few
minutes,
Bill's
suggestion
that
it
not
be
a
percentage
but
more
of
the
elimination
of
character,
defining
elements
that
were
previously
defined
on
all
styles.
I,
don't
know
that
we
have
those
character,
defining
characteristics
already
defined
throughout
our
entire
inventory
of
properties.
B
Modern
and
yeah
we
wouldn't
have
that
for
each
and
every
class,
three
property,
and
so
it's
something
that
staff
would
have
to
do
on
an
individual
basis
and
I'm.
Assuming
that
the
individual
in
Santa
Barbara
has
to
do
the
exact
same
thing.
They
look
at
what
is
the
appearance
of
the
structure
to
date
and
what
are
the
changes
that
are
proposed
and
does
it
modify
the
character
of
the
existing
residence.
G
B
Would
require
more
staff
time
to
do
it
that
way,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
can
get
into
in
a
later
discussion
as
we
get
a
little
bit
further
along
and
starting
to
craft.
This
is
talking
about
the
impacts
of
going
one
way
versus
the
other.
When
you
have
a
percentage,
that's
tied
strictly
to
square
footage,
that's
something
quick
and
easy
that
building
and
safety
could
do.
D
A
Well
one,
and
thank
you
for
that.
You
know
my
concern-
would
be
that
they're
not
going
to
tear
the
house
down
they're,
not
going
to
add
square
footage
or
reduced
square
footage,
but
they
are
going
to
change
out.
Every
single
window
in
the
house
and
windows
would
certainly
fall
under
character,
defining
characteristics.
A
A
B
G
Dan's
coming
what
happens
in
Santa
Barbara,
if,
if,
if
a
house
is
of
a
certain
age
and
work
is
proposed,
the
application
comes
in
and
then
a
very
brief
analysis
is
done
to
determine
if
it
is
an
historic
resource
or
not
really
an
historic
resource
or
not,
and
it
meets
the
criteria
that
any
thing
does
and
if
I'm
a
preliminary
level
done
by
staff
it
does,
then
it
moves
forwards
and
historic
structures
report.
If
not,
then
it's
sort
of
like
I've
looked
at
it.
A
A
We
do
have
that
extra
challenge
here,
because
we
do
have
great
twenties
Spanish.
We
do
have
great
50s
and
60s
modern,
so
board.
Shall
we
move
off
of
threshold
by
saying
that
the
curb
appeal,
the
5-foot
depth,
on
the
what
the
public
sees
from
the
street
be
a
part
of
the
threshold
criteria
as
well
as
a
percentage,
and
should
it
be
a
50%?
Should
it
be
25%
for
the
purposes
of
just
moving
from
here
on
what.
B
C
But,
but
should
it
be
just
the
posad
on
the
street,
or
should
it
be
a
little
more
extensive?
In
other
words,
if
you're
looking
at
a
property-
and
you
could
also
see
some
side
lines
at
least
x-number
feet
on
each
side
is
if
we're
gonna
be
doing
this
change
anyway,
do
you
think
bill
that
should
be
strengthened
to
include
a
little
bit
more
than
just
the
facade
if
it
were
a.
G
A
G
It's
what
you
see
from
the
street,
which
includes
the
roof-
and
you
know
a
wraparound
okay,
so
I
mean,
but
we
do
allow
like
second-story
additions
as
those
are
done
within
the
style.
I
mean
with
them.
You
know
within
appropriate
to
the
architecture,
but
again
all
houses
aren't
created
equal,
so
there
is
what's
required
for
nothing
required
for
the
ordinary,
a
lot
required
of
anything
that
is
potentially
historic,
I
guess.
C
A
A
I
think
that
in
bill,
if
I'm
hearing
you
it's
not
necessarily
whether
I
can
see
it
or
not
from
the
street,
there
might
indeed
be
a
wall
or
there
might
indeed
be
a
hedge,
but
it
is
still
the
front
elevation
of
the
house.
It's
the
skin
of
the
house,
it's
the
wraparound
port.
Is
that
correct,
yeah!
So
Dan,
are
you
okay?
B
I
think
I
and
if
you're
comfortable
with
that,
what
I
might
recommend
is
that
we
start
looking
at
other
ordinances
and
bring
some
materials
back
to
you.
We
can
have
further
discussion,
then
we
can
get
into
other
things,
such
as
criteria.
How
does
that
impact
staff
etc?
So
I
think
there's
a
little
bit
more
work
that
can
be
done
now
that
we
have
some
clear
direction
from
you
all
in
terms
of
what
you
would
like
to
see
that
we
can
begin
looking
at
other
examples
and
present
some
things
to
you.
Well,.
A
B
A
E
Well,
so,
just
to
address
what
Flynn
just
said,
I
would
also
look
at
the
ordinance
for
Pasadena
and
South
Pasadena
because
they
both
have
applicable
ordinances.
That
would
be
good
for
us
to
look
at
and
then
in
that
vein,
we
also
should
look
at
what
was
also
brought
up
is
what
and
if
there
are
penalties.
If
this
adopt,
this
adopted,
ordinance
is
violated,
and
so
I
know,
for
example,
that
South
Pasadena
has
a
rather
strict
penalty.
E
D
A
I'm
good
with
that
all
right,
so
so
I
just
want
to
hit
all
the
bullet
points,
and
that
might
be
the
same
response
to
the
remainder
of
them.
So
criteria
for
evaluation,
we'll
address
that
a
little
later
when
we
have
some
more
information
brought
back
to
us
the
anticipated
volume
of
applications.
A
So
that's
any
other
comments
on
the
anticipated
volume
of
the
applications.
Okay,
impacts
to
the
hsdb
meeting
schedule
well,
I
mean
here
we
have
a
classic
example
of
a
light
agenda
of
a
light
agenda.
We've
often
had
agendas
that
haven't
been
so
light,
so
I,
don't
know
whether
we
really
can
talk
about
the
impacts
to
our
schedule.
Oh
I
thought
you're
gonna
say
something:
no,
okay,
all
right!
A
So
maybe
we'll
look
at
that
one
again
too
in
our
next
conversation
and
then,
of
course,
that
ties
to
the
impacts
to
the
staff,
those
are
going
to
go
hand-in-hand
and
then
the
historic
preservation
purpose.
How
does
the
proposal
fit
within
the
purpose
and
mission
of
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board
and
the
goals
and
objectives
of
the
city
of
Palm,
Springs
general
plan,
so
I
think
what
we're
talking
about
is.
G
Please
yeah
I
mean
the
whole
effort
is
so
that
a
house
that
has
an
historic
merit,
it
is
worth
saving,
doesn't
lose
its
integrity
so
that
when
we
come
back
later
and
want
to
designate
it,
we
don't
say:
oh,
it's
been
so
remodeled
that
it's
lost
its
integrity.
I
mean
that's
the
whole
goal
of
this
whole
effort,
rather
than
just
preserving
old
houses,
not
old
houses
that
we're
saving
on
our
own
buildings,
I
mean
in
our
all.
D
Dan
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
that
we
also
because
this
is
Palm
Springs-
and
this
is
the
center
of
very
creative
architecture
and
contemporary
architecture
mid-century
and
moving
forward
is
it
we
always
have
to
keep
in
mind
that,
just
because
it's
one
certain
style
of
a
house
that
it
couldn't
have
a
more
contemporary
addition
or
the
more
creatively
looked
at
rather
than
preserved
and
I
know.
Santa
Barbara
is
more
about
preserving
what
is
there
or
into
a
mission,
style
and
I.
A
I
think
that
I
certainly
don't
disagree
with
you,
but
I
think
that
this
board
is
quite
astute
in
in
that
area.
4:01
marito,
Matt,
marito.
A
A
So
I
think
it's
a
point
well
made,
but
I
feel
comfortable
that
at
least
this
sitting
board
has
been
very
open
to
adaptive,
reuse
of
historic
buildings
by
new
construction.
A
A
A
That's
that's
how
I
would
define
remodel,
making
subtle,
but
yet
significant
changes
to
an
existing
structure.
When
we
talk
about
the
removal
of
a
structure
or
large
portions
of
a
structure,
I
no
longer
think
of
that
as
a
remodel,
so
I
would
like
somehow
to
better
define
what
what
every
model
is
so
and
that'll
only
help
staff
I
think
as
well.
When
they
see
these
permits
come
through
anything
else.
B
C
Ij
question
so,
let's
say
a
house
has
been
some
things
have
been
done
to
the
facade,
but
the
overall
architecture
is
still,
you
know
actually
quite
visible,
and
you
know
you
can
you
know
so.
Let's
say
just
a
few
things
have
been
done.
So
does
this
mean
if
we
do
this,
this
one
be
careful
that
we
don't
ourself
in
the
foot?
Does
this
mean,
then
that
there
is
not
a
way
that
that
house
could
not
qualify
or.
C
Designation,
so
it's
an
example.
Let's
say
the
rear
of
the
house
is
just
beautifully
maintained
and
there's
been
nothing
messed
with
whatsoever,
but
there's
been
some
elements
in
the
front
just
so
that
we
can
have
some
some
flexibility,
that
the
whole
integrity
are,
the
that
the
property
still
could
meet
integrity
is.
Is
there
way,
though,
so
we
don't
box
ourselves
totally
in?
Is
there
some
kind
of
language
that
could
be
done?
That
would,
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
accomplish
that.
D
G
Had
a
very
difficult
time
saying
that
that
had
not
been
compromised
and
and
I,
don't
think
it
should
have
been
allowed
to
have
been
compromised.
It's
the
way
it
was
and
and
I
was
only
concerned
with
the
front
of
the
house.
The
street
facade
whatever
they
did
to
the
back
windows
was
no
concern
to
me.
G
Whatever
they
did
to
the
inside
was
of
no
concern
to
me
well,
but
but
if
I
were
to
drive
by
that
house
and
look
at
that
house
and
go
nope
nineties,
remodel
and
and
and
that's
what
I
would
hope
we
would
try
to
prevent
as
enlightened
as
that
design
have
been
still
right.
It's
not
what
was
built
and
and
slump
block
is
a
character
defining
feature
of
the
mid-century
modern
by
certain
practitioners.
E
I
think
we
have
enough
recent
examples
that
have
come
before
this
specific
group
of
people
the
board,
as
it's
seated
right
now.
That
would
apply
really
well
for
this.
The
Holden
house
is
one
the
marito
houses
and
another.
The
John
PUD,
the
porter
Clark
house,
so
is
we're
moving
this
discussion
forward.
I
think
we
have
some
decisions
that
we've
made
in
the
past.
That
will
help
guide
how
we
want
to
structure
those
decisions
in
the
future,
essentially
like
okay,
so
I.
Think
more
marito
is
a
quintessential
successful
example
of
really
what
worked
and
I
think.
A
All
right
so
to
to
complete
we've
completed
that
discussion
item
of
5c.
We
are
now
at
board
member
comments
and
I
have
a
couple
that
I'd
like
to
start
with,
or
if
somebody
else
has
some
some
burning
issues.
I'll
defer
the
microphone
to
you,
okay,
so
in
reviewing
the
minutes
to
the
February
meeting,
two
projects
did
come
up
in
my
review
of
the
minutes
and
it
was
certainly
the
William
Holden
property.
The
discussion
that
we
had
about
integrity,
mr.
A
men
rads
comments
and
when
we
voted
unanimously
to
recommend
it
to
the
City
Council,
it
was
a
vote
of
seven
to
zero
with
a
number
of
these
conditions
and
bill
you
and
Todd.
If
you
don't
mind
if
you
wouldn't
review
those
minutes
again,
because
this
will
be
going
to
the
council
soon
and
I
think
if
we
can
certainly
avoid
any
conflicts
or
questions
from
the
council
about
the
issue
of
integrity,
I've
certainly
learned
more
from
you
today
bill
on
the
I
think
it's
a
page
3
of
8
on
the
minutes.
A
It's
at
the
almost
the
last
paragraph
before
the
bottom
of
the
page.
I've
learned
a
lot
more
from
you
this
morning
about
I,
certainly
understand
how
our
class
1
historic
designations,
protect
the
skin
of
the
house,
the
exterior
of
the
house,
and
to
hear
from
you
this
morning
about
that
sort
of
elevation.
What
you
do
see
from
the
street
or
what?
Even,
if
you
don't
see
it
from
the
street,
it's
what
would
be
visible
from
the
street
if
it
weren't,
you
know,
blocked
by
a
hedge
or
what-have-you.
B
Mr.
chair,
we
actually
have
it
scheduled
to
go
to
City
Council
next
week
on
March
21st,
okay,
so
we've
already
submitted
our
report.
Okay,
if
there
are
any
changes
to
the
minutes
that
you'd
like
to
make
I
would
need
to
have
those
by.
Let's
see
today's
Tuesday
I
need
to
have
those
by
tomorrow.
So
I
can.
A
G
G
B
A
Moving
on
to
my
second
board
member
comment,
I'd
like
to
comment
on
the
Steve
McQueen
project,
I'd
like
to
ask
first
that
we
have
the
Steve
McQueen
housed
a
review
on
the
April
agenda,
so
that
it
is
an
agendized
item
and
here's
where
I'm
going
with
this
again.
Referring
to
our
minutes,
page
6
of
11
and
I.
Remember
this
as
well
as
without
the
actual
minutes,
but
the
minutes
certainly
do
help.
A
Member
Lavoie
expressed
concerns
about
the
lack
of
analysis
of
integrity
in
the
historic
resource
report
and
was
concerned
about
recommending
designation
of
a
site
under
restoration.
Typically,
it
is
a
it
is
of
a
site
fully
restored.
Member
Hayes
noted
his
strong
dissatisfaction
with
the
process
of
this
nomination.
He
noted
the
full
demolition
of
major
parts
of
the
house
and
no
idea
of
how
they
were
going
to
be
restored.
So
when
we
came
to
the
motion
in
the
vote,
it
was
a
five
in
favor
two
opposed,
and
it
is.
It
does
explain
why
mr.
A
Lavoie
and
mr.
Hayes
opposed
the
nomination,
but
it
was
recommended
to
the
City
Council,
based
on
criteria,
two
four
and
five:
two
for
staff
to
document
the
mature
trees
on
the
site
for
inclusion
in
the
contributing
elements
of
the
site
that
the
owner
provide
full
documentation,
photos
and
narrative
of
the
restoration
process,
including
the
working
building,
permit
drawings,
that
staff
arranged
site
inspections.
So
I
do
recall
that
there
was
some.
A
Some
of
us
got
a
site
inspection
and
some
of
us
didn't-
and
there
was
a
discussion
about
getting
the
rest
of
the
board
up
to
the
house.
Did
that
happen?
Has
everyone
on
the
board
received
a
site
visit?
Okay,
so
Flynn?
This
probably
isn't
anywhere
near
going
to
the
council.
Yet
this
nomination,
not
yet
that
you
know
so.
A
Staff
is
indeed
still
waiting
for
the
homeowner
to
provide
some
narrative.
Some
narrative,
yeah
I,
was
fortunate
enough
to
go
up
on
South
Ridge
fairly
recently
and
for
those
of
us
who
were
at
the
house
I.
Think
in
November
I've
seen
no
change.
Since
the
house
we
visited
in
November,
the
living
room
is
still
gone.
A
B
A
couple
of
things
to
just
keep
in
mind:
please
number
one:
this
was
not
initiated
by
the
property
owner,
understood
they
are
not
requesting
it
and
we
currently
it's
not
a
class
1
structure.
So
we
have
no
ability
to
make
them
submit
this
information
to
us.
We
can
require
them
to
submit
building
permits
for
the
work
they're
doing,
but
we
can't
require
them
to
do
much
more
than
that.
So
it's
through
the
goodness
of
the
property
owner
that
number
one.
B
A
G
A
E
A
G
A
I
think
everybody
here
at
the
board
is
empathetic
of
the
great
work
that
you
do,
the
massive
workload
that
you
have,
and
you
know
as
a
as
a
Planning
Commission
watcher
as
an
AAC
watcher
as
a
city
council,
watcher
I,
know
that
you
have
your
hands
and
fingers
on
on
so
many
many
more
areas
and
boards
than
just
us,
so
I
think
we
all
respect
that.
However,.
B
A
You're
great
all,
forget,
well
and
and
I
think
the
Steve
McQueen
house.
It
is
it's:
it's
such
an
important
house.
It
has
the
the
the
celebrity
provenance
it
has
the
architectural
provenance
its
sighting.
If
there's
so
much
about
it.
That's
important
and
I
do
understand
that
that
we
initiated
the
the
class
one
on
the
property.
They
are
not
fighting
it.
They
didn't.
They
have
not.
A
No
and
but
I
think
that
there
is
just
some
concern
that,
especially
if
they're
not
fully
permitted
just
if
it
weren't
a
class
three
house,
even
if
it
weren't
being
recommended
for
historic
designation,
it
should
be
fully
permitted.
I
think
alright.
Anybody
else
on
that.
Okay,
any
other
board
comments.
Yes,
please.
C
B
See
I'll
double-check
on
that
our
project
manager
is
no
longer
with
the
city
who
Franco
Laurie.
Oh,
he
went
to
the
city
of
Rancho
Cucamonga,
where
he
lives
he's
working
there
now
Tom
Garcia,
the
city
engineer
who
that
would
fall
to
his
responsibilities,
will
provide
an
update
to
you
next
month.
Okay,
oh.
C
B
C
G
C
A
A
A
C
B
We
were
hoping
to
have
a
subcommittee
meeting
with
the
City
Council
subcommittee
members
last
week.
Unfortunately,
they
were
not
available
to
have
that.
We've
got
one
scheduled,
I
believe
on
the
19th,
which
is
next
week.
Okay,
at
that
point,
we'll
know
if
they
have
materials
that
would
be
ready
to
come
before
the
HSP
be
on
your
April
agenda.
C
B
E
B
Only
thing
I
know
on
Cork
and
bottle
is
that
the
property
fell
out
of
escrow,
so
I
don't
know
exactly
what
the
city
will
be
doing
with
the
sale
at
this
point
in
time,
but
the
applicant
has
withdrawn
their
application.
There
was
an
application
to
do
a
hotel
that
would
have
involved
the
cork
and
bottle,
but
again
that
application
has
been
withdrawn
at
this
point
in
time.
Okay,.
A
Anyone
else
I
would
ask
staff
to
review
what
mr.
Mann
read
brought
today.
The
proposed
revision
to
Palm
Springs
historic
preservation,
ordinance
in
just
glancing
at
it
I
mean
this-
is
a
significant
they're,
proposing
a
significant
rewrite
to
the
ordinance
so
I'd
like
staff,
to
advise
us
on
the
validity
of
their
suggested
changes,
etc.
B
No,
they
typically
are
initiated
either
by
the
City,
Council
or
city
staff,
or
upon
the
recommendation
of
our
boards
and
committees.
So
we've
had
a
discussion
about
integrity
at
a
recent
meeting.
I
believe
that
the
board
would
like
some
further
investigation
of
how
we
might
address
that
within
our
ordinance.
This
is
provided
to
you
as
a
suggestion,
and
so
again
you
can
take
that
as
a
suggestion
and
to
inform
you
in
further
discussions
on
integrity,
okay,.
B
Hey,
let
me
just
go
through
a
few
things.
Mr.
Lyon
had
reported
to
you
last
month
on
the
markers
that
we
have
in
process.
Oh
yeah,
unfortunately,
based
on
the
volume
and
the
dollar
amount
of
that
contract,
we
have
to
submit
it
out
to
three
separate
bidders
instead
of
using
a
single
source,
so
those
are
going
to
be
delayed
as
we
go
through
purchasing
and
in
that
process,
but
we
are
working
on
that
as
quickly
as
possible.
B
A
B
Let's
see
and
then,
as
I
had
mentioned,
we
will
include
a
report
on
the
well
wood
library
courtyard
on
next
month's
agenda,
francis
stevens
school
and
park.
Yes
again,
I
think
I
had
mentioned
that
we
have
steve
kalan
doing
a
history
for
us
that
will
inform
the
landscape
plan
for
that
site.
I
haven't
gotten
a
report
back
in
terms
of
his
study
yet,
but
we
are
still
working
on
that.
One
of
the
other
things
that
we
are
working
on
is
there.
Ohp
has
grants
to
certified
local
governments.
B
B
The
city
doesn't
do
a
good
job
of
maintaining
our
class,
one
properties
and
I
would
agree,
and
so
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
to
do
a
study
and
a
maintenance
plan
for
the
city's
class,
one
properties
which
will
help
to
allocate
funding
for
repairs
and
maintenance
in
accordance
with
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards.
On
those
properties,
so
again
we
are
pursuing
a
grant.
We'll
keep
you
informed
as
to
how
that
process
goes.
The
last
thing
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
talking
about
workload.
B
As
we
go
through
the
annual
budget
cycle,
one
of
the
things
I
do
is
just
keep
track
of
how
many
applications
we
process
in
a
year
that
talks
to
a
certain
degree
of
the
workload
that
my
staff
members
have
just
focusing
on
the
very
last
column,
which
is
entitled
fiscal
year.
1617
that's
the
most
recent
year,
which
is
concludes
on
June
30th
of
2017.
So,
just
looking
at
that
past
year,
we
processed
a
total
of
1666
cases
and
reviews
during
the
course
of
the
year.
B
What
you'll
see
is
that's
been
fairly
consistent
over
the
last
three
years,
the
first
year
that
I
was
here
with
the
city
in
fiscal
year
1415.
That
was
our
high
point.
We
had
1786
cases.
One
of
the
positive
things
that
has
happened
is
in
April
of
2016
I
received
two
additional
full-time
employees.
We
had
had
two
part-time
employees
prior
to
that
that
were
on
a
contract
basis,
but
I
received
two
full-time
employees
in
April
of
2016,
and
so
that's
helped
with
our
workload.
B
If
you
go
down
to
the
second
smaller
table
below
the
first
one
there,
what
I
do
is
take
the
number
of
cases.
Every
year
divide
that
by
my
number
of
planners
that
I
have
working
on
those
cases
and
you
can
see
that
each
of
my
planners
has
handled
approximately
238
cases
and
reviews
in
the
course
of
a
year.
So,
if
you
look
at
that
in
terms
of
workload,
they're
processing
a
lot
of
things,
and
so,
while
we
may
only
have
I'd
guess
we
have
about
3035
applications
that
come
before
the
historic
site
preservation
board.
B
Every
year,
Planning
Commission
sees
about
80
to
85
architectural
advisory
committee
sees
probably
about
85
to
90,
there's
only
a
small
percentage
of
the
things
that
we
do
that
actually
come
before
our
boards
and
commissions
there's
a
lot
of
ministerial
reviews
that
we
do.
In
addition
to
that,
one
of
the
things
that
this
does
not
tell
the
story
about
is
that
there's
also
code
changes
that
are
in
process.
For
example,
I
was
tied
up
with
our
sign
ordinance
for
a
good
portion
of
last
year.
The
Cannabis
zoning
regulations.
B
Right
now,
the
Planning
Commission
is
in
the
process
of
looking
at
changes
to
our
planned
development.
District
ordinance,
they're.
Also,
looking
at
revisions
to
our
golf
course
ordinance
in
terms
of
repurposing
of
golf
courses,
so
there's
some
additional
things
in
there
so
again,
I'm
keeping
the
needs
of
the
HSB,
be
in
my
mind
as
I'm
thinking
of
these
things,
and
we
will
have
things.
The
demolition
is
one
of
the
things
that
we'll
have
in
process
here
very
shortly.
B
Planning
Commission
wants
to
work
with
you
on
that
and
then
the
changes
that
we've
discussed
today
relative
to
remodeling
so
I'll
fit
those
into
the
process
as
well.
But
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that,
even
though
you
all
see
just
a
small
portion
of
the
number
of
applications
that
we
have
as
staff
members
are
busy
and
are
trying
to
keep
things
going,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
mr.
lion
is
working
this
morning
instead
of
here
reporting
at
your
meeting.
So
with
that.
A
A
Okay,
all
right
can
we
get
a
little
follow-up
on
that
next
month
in
please,
certainly,
okay,
anything
else
board.
Mr.
D
A
A
B
And
that
reminded
me,
that's
one
of
the
things
I
will
schedule
for
your
April
meeting.
Is
a
discussion
of
this
I
wanted
to
give
this
to
you
a
month
in
advance,
so
you
hadn't
the
opportunity
to
review
it
ahead
of
time
and
again,
this
came
from
public
comment,
one
of
the
things
that
they
felt
that
we
needed
to
include
in
our
historic
resource
survey.