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From YouTube: Planning Commission | Apr 13 2022
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City of Palm Springs Planning Commission meeting, held April 13th, 2022
A
D
A
F
A
Our
next
item
is
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
Can
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
agenda
or
are
there
any
changes
required.
D
Michael
started,
it
and
I'll
finish
it
with
a
second.
D
A
A
Please
note
that
the
planning
commission
cannot
take
action
on
an
item
that
isn't
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
will
be
allowed
for
each
speaker.
A
G
You
so
I
represent
the
ownership
of
the
margaritaville
palm
springs,
as,
as
you
all
probably
know,
we
did
a
substantial
renovation
there
throughout
covid
converting
the
property
from
the
riviera
to
to
the
margaritaville.
G
We
spent
substantial
money
there.
It
has
been.
You
know,
despite
covid,
we're
seeing
that
it's
been
a
big
success.
This
year
the
property
will
generate
more
tot
funds
than
it
ever
has,
and
and
so
we've
we've
seen
the
property
do
well.
Part
of
that
is
creating.
G
You
know
what
what
margaritaville
would
call
this
margaritaville,
environment
or
margaritaville
state
of
mind
and
a
big
piece
of
that
is
their
signage
package,
so
they've
required
certain
signage
from
us,
and
it
was
brought
to
our
attention
that
not
all
of
that
signage
was
was
approved
by
the
architectural
review
board,
that
it
had
been
submitted
by
our
by
our
signage
consultant
or
signage
contractor.
G
They
came
back
and
two
of
two
pieces
of
signage
were
were
not
approved
in
in
that
initial
plan.
One
is
kind
of
right
on
the
front
fascia
of
the
property,
the
fascia
of
the
portica
share.
G
As
you
look
at
the
property-
and
it
reads-
changes
in
changes
in
latitude
changes
in
attitude,
which
is
you
know,
a
lyric
from
one
of
june
buffett's
song
and
then
the
other
as
you
pull
into
the
portica
share,
is
an
illuminated
sign
that
reads:
mikasa,
sukasa
and
and
is,
is
you
know,
a
feature
sign
entering
the
property,
the
the
architectural
review
board,
their
meeting
changed
a
number
of
times,
so
I
was
not
able
to
attend,
but
in
their
review.
G
I
think
they
noted
that
the
changes
in
attitude
changes
in
latitude
sign,
since
it
was
not
illuminated
and
it
it
was
visible
from
the
same
angles
as
the
monument
sign.
You
know
they.
They
decided
that
they
didn't
think
that
was
was
a
necessary
sign
and
the
other
some
of
the
members
kind
of
commented
because
of
the
angle
you're
pulling
in
it's
a
very
visible
sign
and
important
and
commented
that
they
would
be
in
support
of
keeping
that.
Ultimately,
the
board
voted
against
that.
G
Based
on
their
comments,
I
have
amended
my
request
and
am
willing
to
take
down
the
changes
in
latitude
sign,
that's
very
visible
in
the
same
angle
as
the
monument
sign,
the
other
sign,
that's
an
illuminated
sign.
It's
it's
very
visible
when
you
pull
into
the
pork
share
and
if
you
are
coming
from
that
side
on
vistacino,
you
never
actually
see
the
monument
sign
and
creating
this
this
environment
of
you
know
a
guest
arrival.
I
think
you
will.
G
You
know,
can
appreciate
that
in
a
hospitality
setting
the
sense
of
arrival
is
very
important
and
you
know
we
want
to
ensure
the
success
of
this
property.
G
G
A
requirement
for
a
variance
here
is
due
to
the
physical
characteristics
of
the
property
and
the
orientation
and
design
of
the
structure
of
the
property
you.
It
doesn't
give
adequate
visibility
if
you're
coming
in
from
vista
chino,
because
the
property
is
set
back
and
our
our
monument
sign
is
on
the
front.
G
You
never
see
that
monument
sign,
and
so
I
I
feel
that
that
meets
that
requirement
of
you
know
of
having
that
signage,
to
provide
adequate
arrival,
adequate
signaling
to
the
customer
that
they
they
have
arrived
here
at
margaritaville
and
and
it's
important
to
us
from
a
business
standpoint
to
create
that
sense
of
arrival
for
them.
So
again,
you
know
my
request
is
to
to
comply
with
with
the
architectural
review
review
board.
G
We
will
take
down
the
changes
in
latitude
sign,
but
we're
appealing
on
the
on
the
other
side,
the
illuminated
sign
at
the
entrance
of
the
portica
share,
because
we
feel
that
is
meets
a
a
real
need
to
to
create
that
sense
of
arrival,
which
has
been
dictated
by
the
margaritaville
brand
as
a
requirement.
A
A
C
A
All
right
any
comments,
oh,
can
you
call
the
roll
please.
E
H
I
A
Carol:
mack,
yes,
okay,
moving
right
along
item,
two,
a
is
a
public
hearing,
but
we
have
had
the
hearing
on
this
item
and
it's
a
continuation.
A
George
youssef
palm
springs
car
wash
for
an
amendment
to
a
conditional
use
permit
to
alter
the
hours
of
the
off-premises
alcohol
sales
in
a
retail
store
located
at
section
in
section
14
at
300,
north
indian
canyon
drive-
and
there
were
some
questions
I
believe
asked
by
the
commission
and
a
report
back
to
the
commission
on
after
hours
or
later
hours,
liquor
sales
staff
report.
Please.
J
Okay,
so,
as
you
mentioned,
the
planning
commission
reviewed
this
at
the
march
23rd
meeting
and
had
requested
staff
to
provide
some
additional
information
regarding
hours
of
operation
for
other
uses
or
other
locations
within
the
city.
So
when
the
city
contacted
the
abc
board,
there
are
a
total
of
33
businesses
in
the
city
that
have
a
type
21
liquor
license
in
the
staff
report
or
memo
that
was
handed
to
the
planning
commission.
There
is
that
list
of
33
different
uses
businesses
that
have
this
type
of
of
license
on
the
table.
J
That's
before
you,
we
have
narrowed
it
down
to
liquor
licenses
and
other
types
of
service
stations
and
convenience
stores
that
so
alcohol
and,
as
you
see
from
the
table,
the
ones
that
are
highlighted
in
yellow
are
the
ones
that
have
past
midnight
or
2
am
so
the
shell
station
at
the
north
end
of
north
palm
canyon
drive,
the
bevmo
has
delivery
till
2
a.m,
and
then
the
7-eleven
store
on
also
there's
a
7-11
on
sunrise
across
from
albertson's.
J
So
those
are
the
four
stores
that
currently
have
alcohol
sales
beyond
midnight
to
2
a.m.
I'm
just
going
through
what
we
just
mentioned.
This
is
the
retail
store.
This
is
what
it
looks
like
currently
and,
as
we
mentioned
the
last
meeting,
the
door
is
locked
at
midnight
and
sales
occur
through
this
window
here
in
the
front,
just
some
photographs
of
what
it
looks
like
inside
of
the
types
of
sales.
J
Once
again,
they
do
provide
security
through
video
surveillance
and
the
owner
has
on-site
security
in
the
conditions
of
approval
staff
has
tightened
up
the
one
condition
regarding
security.
There
were
some
questions
about
how
quickly
the
security
would
respond
once
they
call
and
one
of
the
conditions,
let
me
get
to
it
here,.
J
Eln
number
three
says
that
security
provided
by
nightly
patrols
shall
be
available
for
on-call
services
with
response
time
of
10
to
15
minutes.
Should
problems
arise.
That
may
be
where
the
planning
commission
wants
to
go,
or
they
may
want
to.
You
may
want
to
alter
that
condition
if
you
decide
to
approve
the
project
so,
once
again,
staff
feels
that
the
cup
findings
can
be
met
and
we
recommend
that
you
approve
the
project
and
that
concludes
my
report.
J
Thank
you,
and
I
do
want
to
say,
madam
chair,
that
minutes
from
the
meeting
are
now
you
just
approve
them.
So
if
you
want
to
go
back
and
see
what
the
discussion
was,
you
have
those
before
you.
A
There
being
no
questions
for
staff,
are
there
I'll
open
this
up
to
comments
or
motions.
A
Right,
we
have
closed.
We've
closed
the
public
here
the
public
hearing
was
closed
the
last
time.
So
I
think
the
only
reason
we'd
bring
mr
youssef
on
is.
If
there
is
a
question
for
him,
commissioner,
vice
chair
roberts.
D
Yes,
I'll
be
quick
on
this.
You
know
I
had
actually
asked
about
the
survey
on
what
other
establishments
served
till
2
a.m.
So
clearly
we
we
have
others
that
do
this.
It
seems
that
we
don't
have
any
policy
limiting
the
number
of
them.
So
I
see
no
reason
to
deny
this
to
this
applicant.
D
H
Yeah,
well,
I
appreciate
the
comments
of
vice
chair
roberts.
I'm
gonna
take
a
slightly
different
tax
and
on
our
list
I
see
that
the
majority
of
those
facilities
are
at
11
pm
or
12
midnight.
H
So
I
actually
am
not
going
to
support
this,
because
I
think
this
is
going
to
open
the
door
unnecessarily
to
a
potential
barrage
of
of
these
other
places
saying
well.
If
he
got
it,
I'm
going
to
get
it,
and
I
think
that
could
be
detrimental
and
I
see
no
reason
why
we
need
a
significant
number
of
off
sale
locations,
selling
packaged
liquor
after
midnight.
If
you
can't
plan
your
evening
well
enough
to,
you
know,
get
what
you
need
before
midnight,
then
you're,
probably
not
in
any
shape
to
have
more,
is
my
feeling.
H
So
I'm
not
going
to
support
this.
C
Yeah,
I'm
not
necessarily
opposed
to
selling
liquor
until
2am
in
any
particular
location,
but
the
physical
plant,
if
you
want
to
call
it
that
of
this
applicant,
just
seems
inappropriate
for
palm
springs
to
me
and
that's
what
I
think
we're
here
to
judge
it's
not
to
judge
whether
something
complies
with
a
particular
policy
by
council
or
not,
and
the
notion
that
there's
this
little
slot
window
that
somebody
stands
behind
and
is
shoving
bottles
of
liquor
out
to
consumers
in
the
middle
of
the
night.
Just
does
not
appeal
to
me.
A
A
commissioner
elaine.
E
Thank
you.
My
concerns
are
a
little
bit
different
than
some
of
the
other
members
of
the
commission.
I'm
just
trying
to
take
my
hand
down
there.
Okay,
and
that
is
that
and
first
of
all,
I
will
acknowledge
that
these
are
larger
issues
and,
like
a
couple,
others,
I
would
encourage
the
city
council
to
take
a
look
at
this.
What
happens?
Is
we
had
a
lot
of
discussion
last
time
about
crime,
things
that
happened
after
midnight
and
does
what
part?
What
role
may
alcohol
and
alcohol
sales
play
in
that?
E
E
I
am
intrigued
by
the
comments
of
both
mr
miller
and
I
think,
michael
you
also
again,
mr
hirschfein,
about
the
physical
plant
of
this
location.
I
agree
that
it
is
set
back.
It
is
darker,
it
is,
has
less
in
the
way
of
aesthetic
offerings
or
feelings
of.
E
D
D
I
completely
agree
with
what
scott
said
earlier
about
you
know
if,
at
that
point
you
want
to
keep
drinking
it's
best
to
go
home,
and
so,
but
I
always
feel
that
in
in
my
position
as
a
planning,
commissioner,
we
need
to
be
even-handed.
D
D
I
really
struggle
because
I
don't
want
to
see
any
place,
selling
boosts
till
two,
but
that
to
me
is
so
clearly
a
policy
issue
and
we're
not
here
to
set
policy
we're
here
to
administer
it.
So
I
think
singling
out
one
person
doesn't
make
sense
and
that's
my
whole
reason.
I
don't
like
that.
I
support
this,
but
I
think
with
respect
to
the
the
policy
that
exists,
we
are
singling
him
out
and
that's
my
issue
here
and
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
where
this
goes,
it
will
go.
A
C
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
even-handed
vice
chair
roberts.
I
spent
a
lot
of
years
enforcing
regulations.
You
know
in
a
retail
environment
for
retailers,
and
that
was
a
very
important
concept
to
try
to
work
around.
But
it's
never.
If
that's
what
you're
going
to
say,
if
this
guy
did
it,
we
have
to
let
everybody
else,
do
it
that
then
nothing's
ever
going
to
change
and-
and
I
think
again,
we're
being
called
upon
by
council
by
the
community
to
use
our
judge
best
judgment
in
each
individual
case.
C
If
it
was
a
buy
right
thing,
they
wouldn't
ask
us
to
look
at
this,
and-
and
I
just
think
we
need
to
use
our
our
own
faculties
here,
our
own
mental
processes,
to
decide
whether
a
particular
application
is
worthy
of
our
approval
or
not.
A
A
A
I
know
that
I
voted
for
bevmo
and
I
want
to
distinguish
why
I
voted
for
bevmo
and
why
I'm
not
going
to
vote
for
this,
and
that
is
that
devmo
finished
their
in-store
sales
at
11
and
they
had
a
2
a.m.
Delivery!
I'm
not
really
concerned
about
alcohol
being
delivered
to
people's
houses
as
long
as
they
are
drinking
at
home,
they're
not
on
our
roads
and
it
isn't
creating
a
situation
that
may
be.
It
may
be
creating
a
public
hazard.
A
K
Thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
commission.
What
I
would
suggest
is
if
the
commission
is
inclined
to
deny
this
time
extension
of
the
cup
that
you
base
your
decision
based
upon
this
application,
that
you
don't
believe
that
this
application
is
suitable
to
go
until
2
a.m,
with
liquor
sales,
given
the
the
modality
that
comes
up
in
comparison
to
or
in
contrast
to
a
bevmo
which
is
delivery
only
after
those
11
o'clock.
K
K
We
don't
sell
liquor
after
this
time,
because
again
that
that's
more
of
a
policy,
but
if
your
concerns
are
specific,
with
this
application,
that
selling
between
12
and
200,
this
would
be
detrimental,
would
not
be
beneficial
to
the
neighborhood
you
can
deny
on
that
basis.
That
would
be
finding
number
two.
A
I
I
think
the
issue
in
this
particular
case
is
for
me
anyway,
that
the
the
building
itself
it's
the
idea
of
selling
liquor
through
a
window
after
midnight,
is
inappropriate.
I
just
don't
think
that's
how
liquor
should
be
sold.
I
think
it
should
at
least
be
somebody
has
to
go
into
a
store
and
there's
a
camera
there
and
somebody
to
look
them
over.
I
I
don't
know
it's
just
the
idea
that
you're
shoving
bottles
through
a
window
in
a
pretty
it's
a
part
of
town
that
people
drive
by
a
lot
and
they'll
see
it
just
seems
inappropriate.
I
I
just
don't
think
that
this
particular
location
with
a
very
small
building,
you
know
pushing
bottles
through
a
window
at
2a.
You
know
1
30
in
the
morning
is
is
appropriate.
So
that's
the
reason
I'm
going
to
vote
against
it.
H
I
would
also
add
that
I
think
we
can
draw
a
distinction
between
this
location
and
this
physical
plant
and
the
location
of
the
7-elevens
and
the
location
of
the
shell
station,
which
mr
youssef
also
runs.
They
are
outside
of
the
downtown
core
they
are
on.
You
know
more
trafficked
streets
at
certain
hours
of
the
day.
Certainly
they
are
better
lit.
A
I'm
sorry
the
public
hearing
was
closed
at
the
last
hearing,
and
this
matter
is
before
the
commission
there's
a
lot
of
stuff.
I
can
explain
there
is
this
matter
is
before
the
commission.
K
The
motion
madam
chair,
as
I
understand
it,
would
be
a
motion
to
deny
the
conditional
use
permit
amendment
extending
the
hours
of
sale
of
alcohol
to
later
than
midnight,
on
the
basis
of
not
being
able
to
make
finding
number
two
for
the
factual
reasons.
More
specifically
stated
on
the
record.
A
Thank
you.
If
is
there
any
more
discussion
amongst
the
commission,
commissioner
marouzi.
I
And
also
under
point
number
three,
I
don't
believe
the
site
is
adequate
in
size
and
shape
to
accommodate
such
a
use.
E
I
agree
with
commissioner
murcie.
That
was
one
of
my
concerns
that
the
the
setbacks,
I
think,
are
inappropriate.
A
As
the
maker
of
the
motion,
I
accept
those
changes.
Mr
miller,
do
you
also
accept
them?
A
C
C
I
D
A
Thank
you
moving
right
along,
there
is
no
unfinished
business.
Number
four
is
a
new
is
new
business
and
it
is
not
a
public
hearing.
It's
an
appeal
by
david
pratt
of
tamar
capital
partners
of
the
decision
of
the
architectural
review
committee
to
deny
a
sign
program,
amendment
application
case,
20-003.
A
B
As
introduced,
this
is
an
appeal
request
submitted
by
mr
david
platt
on
behalf
of
marugalillaville
palm
springs
hotel
to
overturn
the
decision
made
by
the
air
sea
to
to
deny
a
signed
program.
B
Amendment
for
two
war
signs
on
the
project
site
is
a
resort
hotel
with
405
guest
rooms
located
at
the
northeast
corner
of
east
piccino
and
north
indian
canyon
drive
and
the
project
site
currently
has
the
one
existing
monument
sign
at
the
corner
of
indian
kenya
and
the
vestino
and
the
applicant
submitted
a
signed
program
amendment
to
the
city
to
legalize
two
wall,
signs
that
are
located
on
the
fascia
of
the
cardboard.
B
So
there
are
two
types
of
signs
at
our
review
by
the
arc
sine
a
and
sign
b
and,
as
indicated
by
mr
plot,
the
business
is,
is
considering
to
remove
the
sign
b,
which
is
located
on
the
the
fascia
that
is
kind
of
located
behind
the
monument
sign
by
requesting
to
retain
a
sign
a
which
is
installed
on
the
south
facebook
of
the
carport.
B
B
Excuse
me
a
little
bit
experience
and
also
help
us
to
set
the
mood
of
the
property,
and
that's
the
justification
explained
by
the
applicant
and
based
on
the
the
proposal.
Staff
finds
that
people's
signs
do
not
meet
the
sign,
ordinance,
regulations
and
installation
of
two
signs
is
not
necessitated
by
the
site's
physical
features
are
setting
and
no
supporting
evidence
which
indicates
that
deviations
from
the
sign
ordinance
are
necessary
for
the
assigned
program
to
be
effective
and
that
nearby
businesses
do
not
have
multiple
signs
on
one
stream.
B
Frontage
and
staff
thinks
that
the
businesses
intend
to
retain
sign
a
for
a
sense
of
arrival
and
then
also
to
deliver
unique
experience.
B
This
concludes
the
stuff
presentation
and,
as
mr
provided
a
presentation
already
he's
available
as
well.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
for
the
commission
just
to
note
that
this
is
the
first
appeal
that
we
are
hearing
under
the
new
ordinance
that
changed
the
order
of
planning
commission
in
aac,
and
I
believe
I
am.
I
am
correct
that
this
is
final
final
decision
with
the
commission
and
we've
heard
the
staff
report.
It's
not
a
public
hearing.
Are
there
comments
or
questions
of
staff
or
the
applicant
from
the
commission.
I
I'm
a
little
confused
and
troubled
by
the
apparent
fact
that
the
applicant
did
not
apply
for
a
signed
permit,
knowing
that
there
is
a
signed
program
required,
especially
since
there
have
been
two
different
signed
programs
approved
most
recent,
which
was
in
2020
and
the
sign
company
best.
Science,
of
course,
is
familiar
with
the
the
requirements
in
palm
springs,
but
the
question
I
guess
to
the
applicant
is:
why
didn't
you
go
through
the
process
correctly?.
G
G
I
was
told
we
needed
to
submit
for
approval
on
our
monument
sign,
which
we
did
and
went
through
that
process
and
just
simply
with
a
large
signage
package.
I
didn't
recognize
that
those
two
signs
fell
outside
of
the
of
the
process
and
we
were
made
aware
of
them
and
and
submitted
this
appeal.
So
I
you
know,
I
apologize
that
we
had
a
a
lot
of
signage
through
the
property.
It
just
happens
that
most
of
it
was
inside
our
pool
area
or
inside
the
building,
and
so
and
so
we
we
didn't,
we
weren't.
G
We
didn't
fully
understand
that
process.
We
did
submit
on
the
monument
sign
just
unaware
that
kind
of
this
extra
signage
was.
There
was
a
requirement
there.
All.
D
Thank
you
chair,
mr
pratt
question.
I
understand
given
the
nature
of
of
of
this
business,
you
wanting
this
signage.
You
know
I,
you
know
what
you
do
is
kind
of
folksy
and
down
to
earth,
and
I
get
that
if
you
had
the
opportunity
to
have
one
of
these
signs,
something
a
little
more
welcoming
and
warmer.
G
Well,
I
think
I
have
to
remember
which
one
was
a
or
b
but
the
one
that
I've.
D
G
The
changes
in
latitude
it
it
is
not
as
visible
to
the
guest
experience,
because
the
way
you
pull
in
it's
further
set
back.
It's
not
illuminated
and
the
monument
sign
from
that
angle
serves
as
as
kind
of
the
primary
visual
focal
point
the
mikasa
sukasa.
G
It's
it's
right
as
the
guest
pulls
into
the
portica
chair,
it's
visible
to
every
guest.
If
they're
coming
off
vistacino,
they
don't
see
any
other
material,
signage,
there's
small
directional
signage,
but
they
don't.
You
know
to
me
the
physical.
You
know
the
the
justification
in
that
the
architectural
design
of
the
building
doesn't
allow
adequate
visibility.
G
You
just
don't
see
the
monument
sign
when
you
pull
in
office
to
chino
and
we're
trying
to
create
an
experience
there,
and
so
that
sign
to
me
is
is
more
important
because
it
it
it
creates
a
sense
of
arrival,
a
sense
of
place
as
they
pull
in
off
off
that
side.
A
I
think
we
can
go
this.
This
item
is
not
a
public
hearing,
so
I
will
take
comments.
D
You
know
I'm
just
gonna
say
that
again,
looking
specifically
at
this
business,
I
understand
why
they
want
to
do
this.
I
think
that
of
the
two
signs
the
the
mikasa
sign
is
clumsy
and
a
and
not
a
great
design
for
the
location.
D
The
latitude
sign
seems
to
fit
better
and
kind
of
work
well
with
their
theme
with
their
branding,
and
you
know
it's
obviously
a
direct
quote
from
the
artist
that
owns
this
hotel.
My
understanding
about
this
hotel
is
that
it
it.
It
really
thrives
on
the
origins
of
its
owner
right
of
of
the
the
art,
the
musical
artists.
D
So
you
know
my
feeling
is
that
it's
not
so
terrible
that
they
want
to
add
a
small
sign.
It's
just
more
that
the
the
mikasa
sign
is
pretty
glary
and
doesn't
fit
well.
It
has
a
cheap
quality
to
it
and
if
we
were
going
to
approve
one
which
I'd
be
I'd,
be
open
for
the
latitude
sign
makes
a
lot
more
sense,
especially
since
it's
not
lit.
I
think
it
offers
their
visitor.
I
went
and
looked
at
it
you,
you
can
see
that
sign
when
you
pull
in.
E
You
one
would
think
I
would
learn
I
in
taking
a
look
at
this.
I
went
back
and
looked
at
the
signage
code,
I'm
trying
to
stay
away
from
the
actual
wording
and
the
language
it
is
on
the
sign,
because
that's
that's
generally
free
speech
and
what
is
one
one
company's
logo
or
model
or
how
they
want
to
convey
their
their
business
is,
I
believe,
better
left
up
to
them.
E
But
what
I
was
wanted
to
look
at
is
what
is
the
purpose
of
signage
according
to
this
municipal
code
and
does
having
additional
signage
further
the
purposes
of
the
of
signage,
as
defined
by
the
municipal
code
and
the
code
talks
about
needing
map
signage
and
wanting
it
for
adequate
identification.
E
Communication
advertising,
but
also,
while
protecting
the
public
safety
and
welfare,
preserving
and
enhancing
the
character
and
environment
of
the
community?
And
so
I
was
trying
to
take
a
look
at
that.
It's
not.
E
According
to
that
that
it
was
a
goal
for
the
public
rather
than
for
something
that
the
applicant
wanted
to
do
and
who's
interested
is
it
does
it
serve
to
have
additional
signage,
regardless
of
what
it
says,
I'm
not
necessarily
seeing
that
it
protects
the
reduces
visual
cl,
clutter
or
protects
the
safety
and
welfare.
I'm
not
sure-
and
this
is
working
into
a
question
I
think
for
staff
is:
does
this
deter
from
motors
coming
along
vistacino
or
even
indian
canyon?
Does
this
create
visual
clutter?
E
Doesn't
detract
from
a
motor
is
paying
attention
to
where
they're
going
and
watching
the
visual
cues
at
a
busy
intersection?
So
I
want
to
know
what
staff's
opinion
is
on
that,
and
I
I
really
want
to
know
what
purpose
if
any
staff
sees
that
the
that
is
consistent
with
the
municipal
code
that
this
signage
serves.
Regardless
of
what
slogan.
K
Is
put
out
there,
madam
chair,
I
believe
I
can
chime
in
on
that
one.
If
you
don't
mind.
Yes,
as
commissioner
orland
mentioned,
sign
codes
are
designed
as
a
balance
between
commercial
speech,
the
ability
to
advertise
one's
business,
counter
balanced
against
preventing
visual
clutter,
other
sorts
of
public
nuisance
due
to
excessive
or
particular
types
of
signage
that
are
visually.
You
know
detractive
to
an
area
things
like
that.
K
The
code
in
our
case
has
defined
a
limited
number
of
signs
that
can
be
done
under
this
program
and
anything
and
by
policy
definition.
Anything
excessive
to
that
would
start
crossing
into
the
visual
clutter
the
public
nuisance.
K
K
So
again,
we
can
talk
about
visual,
clutter
versus
ability
to
advertise
and
you
know
prominently
identifying
one's
business,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
code
says:
there's
one
too
many
signs
and
so
to
get
the
developer
out
the
operator
out
of
that
the
arc,
and
then
now
the
commission
on
appeal
needs
to
make
these
three
findings
to
allow
the
variants.
Otherwise
we
have
a
non-code
compliant
signed
issue
out
there.
I
hope
that
explained.
C
In
addition
to
the
number
of
signs
not
complying
with
the
sign
code,
could
some
someone
on
staff
clarify
I?
I
thought
that
signage
was
limited
to
trade
name.
C
B
Sign
ordinance
was
amended
in
2020,
and
the
zoning
code
excuse
me
sign
ordinance
regulations.
The
pre-amendment
sign
ordinance
regulation
has
a
language
about
the
prohibition
of
certain
messages.
B
However,
under
the
amended
sign
ordinance
section,
I
do
not
think
there's
such
restrictions
and
I
believe
city
attorney
mr
freeze-
can
clarify
with
it.
With
regards
to
the
regulations
pertaining
to
the
language
of
the
signage.
K
Yes,
I'm
I'm
taking
a
look
at
and
share
specifically
at
the
definitional
section
in
our
sign
code
93203
and
I'm
just
looking
at
the
definition
of
a
sign
that
is
subject
to
it.
It's
a
pretty
broad
definition,
a
emblem
painting,
banner
pennant
placard
to
advertise,
identify,
convey
information
with
regard
to
a
product
place
activity,
person
institution.
K
So
it's
a
pretty
broad
definition
of
what's
encompassed
with
this.
I
don't
believe
it's
this
limited
on
this
to
just
the
businesses
trade
name.
It
could
be
other
things
as
well
again,
perhaps
identifying
a
product
or
a
service
along
as
long
as
it's
otherwise
compliant
with
the
sign
code.
Okay,
thank
you.
H
Well,
I
agree
with
staff's
analysis
on
this
one,
and
I
would
also
note
that
in
the
sign
ordinance
and
again,
this
may
not
be
something
that
the
applicant
wants
to
do.
But
if
they
put
this
sign
three
feet
inside
the
glass
in
in
their
lobby,
it
wouldn't
be
subject
to
the
sign
ordinance
so
that
I
realize
that's
already
after
your
clients
have
arrived
in
the
porta
cache.
H
But
you
you
know
you
could
you
know
you
could
hit
your
clients
with
this
catchy
phrase,
but
it
would
be
inside
the
building
and
you
may.
You
may
already
have
signage
that
fits
that
description
anyway,
but.
H
Yeah,
I
think
I
got
to
go
back
to
the
fact
that
one
sign
is
allowed.
You've
got
it
with
your.
You
know,
monument
sign
and
I
don't
think
having
an
additional
sign
meets
the
criteria
as
outlined
in
the
staff
memorandum.
A
Roberts
and
then,
commissioner
hirschkind,
do
you
have
a
question
as
well
or
is
your
hand
up
from
an
earlier
time.
C
You
mean
this,
I
saw.
I
just
risked.
E
D
We've
got
wild
freewheeling
mechanical
hands
point,
so
you
know
again.
I
just
want
to
say
from
my
perspective,
you
know
our
sign
ordinance
is
cookie
cutter
businesses
are
not
cookie
cutter
and
their
locations
and
their
branding
and
their
target
marketing
counts.
I
think
why
I'm
somewhat
sympathetic
to
this
business
is
that
this
location
has
struggled
for
years
and
years
and
years
as
a
hotel.
D
D
I
think
there
is
an
argument
for
why
their
specific
branding
is
part
of
their
signage
and
so
having
a
little
more
signage
on
the
building
to
appeal
to
their
target
market
makes
sense
and
I
don't
think
it's
a
blight
and
I
don't
think
it's
you
know
hurting
the
building
any
more
than
any
of
their
other
signage.
D
D
I'm
gonna
start
it
with
the
latitude
sign
that
move
to
approve
to
give
a
conditional
approval
on
the
latitude
sign
that
it
remains
and
that
the
the
mikasa
sign
also
known
as
sign
a
comes
down
and
goes
somewhere
else
within
their
building
or
in
their
lobby.
A
We've
got
the
applicant,
I
know
his
appeal
was
not
based
on
this
so
and
I'm
seeing
a
not
a
joyful
face,
a
solid
face.
No.
G
No
you're,
I
I
mean
listen,
I
I
I
you
know,
I
I
picked
the
one
that
I
thought
was
most
impactful.
I
understand
you
know
I.
I
understand
the
reasons
for
your
signage
ordinance.
You
know
I
I
that
he's
not
wrong,
that
hotels
have
struggled
in
this
location
for
a
long
time.
We
feel
that
we've
found
a
brand
that
fits
this
property.
Well,
that's
been
successful
and
well
well
received
any
of
that
sign.
You
know.
G
All
of
that
signage
is
very
important
to
to
the
margaritaville
brand
and
you
know
any
of
it
that
that
you
can
approve.
I
would
be
much
appreciative,
so
I
you
know
I
I
love
both
of
them,
but,
but
I
I
I
appreciate,
I
understand
you
know
all
the
commentary
and-
and
we
really
do
want
to
add
to
the
community
there
and
and
be
a
res.
You
know
an
asset
to
the
community
and
and
enhance
the
community.
G
We,
you
know
we
we
do
not
want
to
be
negatively
impacting
the
community
at
all.
We've
tried
to
do
it
tastefully
and
and
and
we've
spent
you
know
we
have.
We've
spent
about
20
million
dollars
on
this
renovation.
G
To
try
to
create
something
that
the
market
will
receive
well
and
that
signage
is
is
very
much
a
part
of
that
and
you
know,
and
I
and
I
hope
it's
you
know
it
is
it's
it's
doing
better
and
generating
a
lot
more
taxes
for
the
city
of
palm
springs
than
it
ever
has,
and
you
know
we
want
that
to
continue.
G
So
I
I
you
know
that
that
wasn't
a
stolen
face.
I
I
I
appreciate
any
signage
that
that
you
can
approve
and
and
will
respect
that
decision.
A
So
it's
just
in
terms
of
the
motion.
I
think
I
can
make
as
the
seconder
finding
number
a
that,
due
to
the
physical
characteristics
of
the
property
and
the
orientation
and
design,
and
it's
really
the
setback
from
the
street
and
where
the
entrance
scenario
is,
I
think
it
would
be
work
it
could
work
there.
A
I
do
think
that
the
non-illuminated
sign
is
the
least
departure
and
that
it's
compatible
with
the
surrounding
property
and
not
contrary
to
the
purpose
of
the
sign
ordinance.
So
I
would
think
that
we
might
be
able
to
make
those
if
those
work
for
you.
As
the
maker
of
the
motion
vice
chair
roberts,.
D
Lawyer,
commissioner,
lane
and
her
spine
both
have
their
hands
up
right.
C
So
the
the
only
other
thing
I'd
like
to
inject
into
the
analysis
here
is,
you
know
we
changed
the
processes
for
proving
this
with
the
final
say
going
to
aac
unless
there's
an
appeal
well,
the
first
and
final.
Actually,
the
only
and-
and
I
I
I
it
feels
to
me
like
we're
kind
of
sabotaging
the
process
right
out
of
the
gate,
and
so
that
that's
one
of
the
reasons
that's
one
of
the
things.
I
think
we
need
to
consider.
K
Madam
chair,
if
I
may,
let
me
just
clarify
one
quick
point,
since
this
is
being
processed
under
the
architectural
review,
with
review
to
the
arc
on
the
sign
program.
K
It's
the
review
of
the
signage,
I'm
pulling
up
the
appeal
process.
K
Yes,
it's
appeal
to
the
planning
commission,
but
the
code
does
provide
for
an
appeal
of
the
planning,
specif
planning
commission's
decision
to
the
council
pursuant
to
the
regular
code
provision.
So
the
commission
is
not
the
final
final
final.
If
this
is
appealed
to
the
city
council
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
point.
E
Have
a
question-
and
I
think
it's
for
the
city
attorney
or
staff-
if
this
variance
for
signage
is
approved
and
the
hotel
is
sold
or
rebranded
or
changes
ownership,
and
somebody
wants
to
do
something
different.
Does
the
permission
to
use
that
particular
square
footage
of
signage,
on
whatever
face?
Does
that
remain,
and
the
new
company
can
put
their
own
messenger
branding
on
it?.
F
Madam
chair
back
in
coming
at
this
point
so
as
associate
planner
noriko
alluded
to
earlier
that
location
does
have
a
sign
program.
So
if
it,
if
a
new
operator
were
to
come
on
board
as
long
as
the
new
signage
that
has
been
proposed
is
within
the
approved
sign
program
yeah,
they
can
go
ahead
and
do
that.
But
this
is
this
is
different
and,
moreover,
it
could
be
a
different
operator
with
a
different
name
and
with
a
different
branding.
So
they
may
not
need
the
additional
approval
that
is
being
granted
tonight.
F
Assuming
you
are
to
approve
to
approve
any
signage
for
these
applicants.
E
Okay
and
then
for
finding
the
third
finding
finding
c
that
the
approved
program
is
compatible
with
surrounding
property
and
not
contrary
to
the
purpose
of
it
was
signed
ordinance.
The
staff
report
says
that
the
surrounding
properties
are
developed
without
multiple
signage,
on
a
single
elevation.
E
How
do
we-
and
this
is
a
question
because
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
prove
this,
but
how
do
we
find
that
this
is
compatible
with
the
surrounding
businesses?
If
they
don't,
indeed
have
it.
A
I
guess
the
question
is:
do
the
signs
have
to
be
identical,
can't
can't
we
find
that
an
additional
sign
is
allowed
without
it
being
uncompatible?
It
seems
that
we
could
make
that
finding
and
not
say
that
it's
not
compatible.
F
Yeah
yeah
and
that's
correct
because
in
your
earlier
motion
to
approve
you
indicated
about
the
physical
characteristics
and
the
design
of
the
one
and
that
the
commission
is
making
a
motion
to
approve
on.
K
Compatible
could
mean
many
things
based
on
what
the
commission
finds
compatible
with
surrounding
properties
relative
to
signage
or
perhaps
to
other
things.
So
I
believe
the
commission's
got
some
flexibility
to
find
compatibility,
not
just
on
signage
but
just
general
compatibility
of
the
sign.
This
added
sign
works
with
the
other
properties,
or
at
least
it's
not
detrimental
to
them.
A
D
Express
their
branding
on
their
building
and
and
sign
a
the
backlit
sign
is
to
be
removed
from
the
face
of
the
building.
G
A
C
A
I
A
Okay,
right
now
we
are
at
planning
commission
reports,
requests
and
comments.
F
Yes,
madame
chair
and
members
of
the
planning
commission,
the
first
report
to
you
is
that
on
april,
7th
2022-
that
was
last
thursday-
that
the
city
council
overturned
the
planning
commissioner's
decision
to
the
planning
commission's
decision
to
denied
crestview
project
for
two
single
family
residencies.
F
That's
number
one
number
two
I
was
also
made
to.
I
was
informed
by
the
assistant
director
of
planning
that
the
commission
had
asked
for
the
updates
of
some
projects
within
the
city,
but
no
specific
ones
we
are
given.
F
So
I'm
just
going
to
mention
a
few
of
them,
which
are
some
of
the
major
projects
within
the
city,
so
I
will
start
with
the
thompson
hotel
you're
aware
of
that
one.
That's
the
one
on
them
kenyan
and
alejo,
but
also
faces
not
india
and
kenya.
So
you
recall
that
about
a
year
ago,
you
approved
an
amendment
to
that
plan.
Development
district.
F
The
plan
check,
is
ongoing.
They
re
they
resubmitted.
The
last
comments
and
the
last
revised
some
plant
checks
just
about
three
days
ago
and
work
is
still
ongoing
on
that
project.
So
the
construction
is
ongoing
on
that
with
thompson
hotel.
You
also
recall
boat
hotel.
This
is
on
at
284,
south
indian
kenyan
drive.
This
is
the
hotel
that
you
approved
about
two
years
ago,
directly
opposite
the
city's
parking
structure.
F
Construction
is
ongoing
at
that
hotel.
As
we
speak,
however,
the
dream
will
tell
you
remember
that
one,
the
one
that's
very
close
to
the
palm
springs
convention
center.
That
has
stalled.
We
met
with
the
with
developer
about
seven
months
ago.
I
would
say
they
had
indicated
to
us
that
they
will
be
coming
back
with
some
revised
plans,
especially
for
the
residential
component
of
that
development
side.
To
report
to
you
that
we
haven't
had
back
from
them
since
that
time,
then,
of
course
the
mirror
loan
development
is
also
ongoing.
F
You
recall
that,
a
few
months
back,
the
developer
itself,
fried
freehold,
has
submitted
finite
development
plans
for
some
residential
development,
which
you
referred
to
subcommittee
review.
The
subcommittee
have
met
on
about
four
or
five
occasions
they
were.
We
were
expecting
them
to
submit
the
final
plans
by
now,
but
they
haven't
done
so.
I
believe
that
they
are
still
working
on
them.
F
I
don't
know
if
you've
driven
by
there
lately
work
is
going
on
very
rapidly
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
some
of
the
units
have
been
occupied
as
you
speak,
so
our
work
is
still
in
progress
at
that
at
that
location,
then
the
kenyan
view
remember
the
kenyan
view:
the
80
unit,
single-family
resident
residential
development
on
south
west
corner
of
east
palm
kenyan
and
matthew
drive.
F
Since
the
last
time
you
approved
the
final
development
plans
and
directed
the
applicant
to
you,
direct
a
staff
to
hire
a
biologist
to
go
over
the
landscape
plans
and
to
redesign
the
landscape
plan
and
be
brought
back
to
you.
F
We
did
hire
the
biologists
they
provided
the
submitter
report,
which
we
gave
to
the
applicant
to
help
them
re-um
redesign
the
landscape
lab
we
haven't
had,
I
have
heard
back
from
them
and
we
were
made
to
understand
that
they
are
in
discussions
with
some
of
the
stakeholders
in
that
area.
So,
but
I
have
not,
they
have
not
resubmitted
the
landscape
plans
as
we
speak,
so
those
are
some
of
the
major
projects
that
you
have
reviewed
and
approved
in
the
past
that
are
in
progress.
F
So
if
there
are
any
other
ones
that
you
want
a
report
from,
please
say
that
again,
I'm
sorry
durana
park
surrendering
park.
The
the
last
we
had
a
fee
is
the
discussion
on
the
development
agreement,
but
there
has
been
no
physical
development
taking
place
there.
They.
F
A
A
F
Correct
so
that
yeah-
and
I
didn't
have
that
done
yet-
I
learned
it's
not
called
ilan
yeah.
That
one
is
also
yeah.
Grading
is
ongoing
as
we
speak
so
yeah.
They
are
working
on
that.
H
Yeah,
my
my
question
is
actually
on
the
elan
there
across
from
cody
place.
I
had
actually
rev
watched
the
planning
commission
when
they
had
that
in
front
of
them.
H
In
fact,
the
retaining
wall,
that's
on
the
south
side
of
the
property
you
know,
gives
evidence
of
that.
They've
got
a
eight
to
ten
foot
retaining
wall
and
they've
raised
the
grade,
I
believe
higher
than
the
grade
of
bellardo
road,
and
I
believe
the
commission
was
concerned
about
view
impact
across
bellardo
and
from
bellardo
down
to
the
to
the
lower
part
of
the
valley
in
palms.
H
You
know
lower
part
of
palm
springs,
so
I
would
just
like
to
know
if
that
condition
was
eliminated
at
some
point
or
was
there
something
missed
in
the
grading
plan
that
we
should
be
concerned
with.
F
I
You
know
that
brings
up
a
question.
I
asked
when
I
first
joined
the
company
mission
about
follow-up
by
staff
on
major
projects
like
this.
At
what
point
does
staff
confirm
that
the
project
conforms
with
the
approvals
not
halfway
through
when
the
buildings
are
being
constructed,
but
in
this
case
now,
when
the
pads
are
being
set-
and
I'm
very
concerned
about
that-
and
I'm
not
I'd
like
to
know
what
what
the
staff
typical
process
is
for
reviewing
that
aspect
of
a
project.
F
So
there
are
other
staff
from
the
development
services
engineering
in
particular
that
will
go
to
decide
to
review
the
the
process
of
grading
and
then
the
elevation
pattern
make
sure
that
they
are
consistent
with
the
precise
grading
plans,
but
normally
planning
staff
is
not
involved
at
that
point.
However,
if
there
are
questions
or
some
deviations
are
detected
by
star
from
engineering
services,
they
will
consult
us.
I
I
A
Thank
you
there
being
no
other
business
before
us.
The
planning
commission
will
adjourn
until
5
30
wednesday
april
27th
2022.