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A
A
September
9th
2021-
and
this
is
the
meeting
of
the
standing
committee
on
solar
and
green
building
for
the
sustainability
commission
city
of
palm
springs
and
present-
are
david
friedman
and
roy
clark
from
the
commission
and
tracy
sheldon,
patrick
tellerico
from
the
city.
A
B
There
was
no
answer
and
no
opportunity
to
leave
a
voicemail
all
right.
Let's.
C
Move
forward
doing
it
with
quorum,
but
oh
no
official
action
item
so
we'll
just
do
that,
then
all
right,
patrick
you
ready
to
go
into
the.
C
What
lily
is
keeping
me
up
late
at
night-
oh
hopefully
not
but
okay,
it
is
so.
I
don't
know
how
much
whether
you
were
able
to
get
a
debriefing
from
david,
but
I
unfortunately
did
not
find
the
study
session
particularly
helpful.
C
There
was
a
lot
of
misinformation,
the
source
of
which
is
hard
for
me
to
determine.
Most
of
the
public
comments
were,
please
don't
require
solar
on
our
cannabis
buildings.
The
ordinance
and
the
presentation
that
I
prepared
and
went
over
very
specifically
says
it
does
not
and
cannot
and
will
not
require
solar.
C
All
we
want
to
do
is
buy
clean
energy
from
dcese
or
wherever
else
that
you
might
be
eligible
to
buy
it.
The
king's
garden
applicants
need
to
indicate-
and
this
is
confirmed
by
benjamin-
that
they
are
in
discussion
with
dce
and
he
seemed
to
indicate
that
that
was
not
a
problem
and
he
said,
don't
make
me
buy
solar,
but
you
know
I'm
talking
to
dce
and
that's
exactly
what
the
ordinance
is.
All
about
so
so
that
was
the
and
then
the
question
came
from
at
least
one
of
the
planning
commissioners.
C
Why
haven't
sustainability
commission
held
a
study
session
with
stakeholders
in
the
five
weeks
over
the
summer
when
none
of
the
commissions
were
in
special,
so
I'm
I'm
not
sure
how
we
got
where
we
got,
but
we
that's
that's
where
we
were
the
clear
the
only
direction.
That
was
clear,
which
was
very
also
clear
in
the
presentation,
which
is
to
say
next
steps
is
to
talk
to
the
stakeholders.
C
So,
yes,
they
want
us
to
talk
to
the
stakeholders,
but
it
was
very
clear,
saying,
get
better.
You
know
refine
the
day
to
talk
to
the
stakeholders,
so
that
didn't
give
me
anything
direction
that
I
didn't
you
know
already
have,
because
that
was
clear
that
that
was
the
next
step.
C
There
was
no
discussion
of
timetable.
There
was
no
discussion
of
whether
to
include
the
water
proposal.
There
was
no
discussion
of
whether
to
extend
this
to
all
commercial
buildings,
as
opposed
to
just
the
cannabis
industry.
So
I
have
a
draft.
I'm
not
really
sure
you
know
who's
in
charge.
Is
the
you
know
the.
I
I
had
understood
that
this
was
direction
from
the
planning
commission
and
our
role
was
essentially
to
provide
technical
assistance
and
that's
what
I
did.
C
This
is
not
intended
to
be
a
sustainability
commission
sort
of
initiative.
I
mean
I
drafted
it.
As
you
know,
in
you
know,
the
early
2020
dropped
it.
You
know
when
it
when
kovit
hit
and
we
were
moving
on
to
other
things
and
the
reason
it's
back
is
that,
because
the
planning
commission
and
city
council
ask
that
it's
back
now
flynn
said
that,
because
it's
not
a
zoning
text
amendment,
he
won't
even
take
it
for
a
formal
vote
to
the
planning
commission.
I
understand
where
that's
go.
C
You
know
where
that's
coming
from,
because
it's
not
a
zoning
text
amendment.
It
goes
directly
into
title
eight,
which
is
essentially
the
building
code,
section
and
and
also
the
cannabis,
which
is
title
five.
So
I
understand
you
know
flynn's
position,
but
then
that
raises
the
sort
of
existential
question
who
exactly
is
driving
this
bus
and
what
does
the
bus
driver
want
me
to
do?
C
And
I
do
not
have
the
answer
to
that
question.
We
need
to
have
another
meeting
to
discuss
this.
Another
issue
that
I
think
is
completely
tangential,
came
up
from
fred,
noble,
saying:
well,
we
shouldn't
accept
the
monopoly
from
dc
and
sce,
let
people
buy
renewable
energy
certificates
just
like
google
and
amazon
and
with
all
due
respect
to
mr
noble,
I
don't
think
our
cannabis.
C
You
know
operators
are
in
the
league
of
google
and
amazon
and
able
to
determine
what
would
be
an
appropriate
amount
of
renewable
energy
which
requires
them
to
retain
a
consultant
and
also
the
city
to
retain
a
consultant
to
just
like
the
odor
consultant
to
evaluate
the
plan,
which
means
there's
extra
costs
and
it's
hard
for
me
to
know
that
those
extra
costs
would
be
with
those
extra
costs
added
in
that
would
be
less
than
simply
getting
an
electric
bill.
You
know
which
presumably
veronica,
can
look
at
an
electric
bill
and
see
what
the
plan
is.
C
You
know
see
that
it's
a
you
know
carbon
free
from
dc,
or
you
know
the
sce
equivalent,
but
there
was
direction
to
I've
already
done
the
basic
research.
This
is
something
that
I'm
fairly
familiar
with
through.
You
know
my
dce
work
as
well
as
generally
following,
what's
going
on
in
the
energy
field,
so
you
know,
I
know,
sort
of
how
the
ordinance
could
be
drafted.
C
That's
the
really
easy
part
to
add
a
sentence
to
include
essentially
that
you
can
get
synthetic
renewable
energy
and
I
can
refer
to
the
public
utilities
code
section
and
you
know,
there's
a
discussion
of
how
green
it
should
be,
and
you
know
my
thought
is:
if
we
go
that
route,
it
should
be
no
less
the
green
than
the
dce
currently
approved
mix,
which
is
75
in
state
renewable,
15
out
of
state,
renewable
and
10
wrecks,
which
can
be
out
of
state
sort
of
completely
not
connected
to
the
we
call
the
western
balancing
market
and
that's
embedded
in
a
you
know
a
section
of
the
public
utility
code
and
it's
really
easy
to
refer
to.
C
A
Right
so
my
impression
from
my
brief
conversation
with
david
about
it
that
it
felt
like
it
was
being
kicked
back
to
us
as
you
observed,
so
I
did
say
that
we
were
planning
on
doing
a
session
for
cannabis
facilities
here
in
the
near
future,
and
so
we
could
kind
of
wrap
it
up
with
that.
So
we
could
kind
of
combine
those
ideas
and
say
here's
some
examples
of
great
things
you
could
be
doing
and
by
the
way,
here's
something
we're
thinking
about
in
terms
of
policy
and
rule.
A
But
I
guess
I
guess
my
question
is
since
we
were,
we
started
down
the
road
to
bring
it
to
the
commission
back
before
things
got
shut
down.
Should
we
kind
of
keep
on
that
path
and
present
it
to
the
commission
at
this
next
meeting
and
have
a
conversation
about
it
and
get
some
input
from
them
at
least.
C
That's
fine,
but
what
you
know
what
what
am
I
presenting?
I
mean
the
I
have
them.
I
and
I
do
just
before
the
meeting
the
energy
commission
sent
me
the
water
report,
although
it's
the
water
report
that
I
have,
I
have
different
data
points
about
how
much
water
is
actually
being
used
that
don't
particularly
reconcile.
C
I
think
the
best
is
to
go
with
mission
springs
and
they're,
not
really
clear.
They
have
a
number.
That's
their
number.
It's
not
really
clear
how
they
got
to
that
number,
but
since
they're,
the
ones
who
are
sending
the
water
to
the
facilities
would
probably
you
know
it's
their
problem
to
make
sure
that
they
have
water.
C
So
I
can
go
with
their
estimate
and
you
know
I
have
an
idea
and
we
can
present
the
potential
water
savings
and
then
you
know
work
with
a
potential
vendor
to
you
know
to
to
present
sort
of
how
that
you
know
what
kind
of
system
that
would
be.
I
just
don't
know
my
my
challenge
is
that
I'm
spending
an
awful
lot
of
time
learning
about
an
industry
that
I
have
absolutely
nothing
to
know
about,
and
and,
as
you
know,
I
like
to
do
a
lot
of
research.
C
C
C
I
think
the
consultant
eir
consultant
may
have
come
to
the
right
number
chord,
the
right
number
in
the
completely
wrong
way,
but
one
number
being
higher
and
one
number
being
lower-
it's
probably
in
the
wallpark,
but
just
that
one
facility,
as
you
saw,
that
number
would
represent
a
10
percent
increase
in
our
commercial
industrial
ghg
emissions
and
that's
not
including
any
other
for
any
other
any
other
facility.
C
And
you
know
the
question
that
I
have
is
that
does
the
city
actually
know
you
know
just
how
much
energy
you
know
is
projected
for
these
for
these
facilities
to
use,
because
I
think
it's
a
really
scary
number.
C
And
when
we're
supposed
to
be
reducing
our
ghg
emissions,
that's
not
going
to
happen
without
the
with
without
mediation,
maybe
essentially.
A
Well,
so
that's
energy,
so
the
that's!
The
other
thing
that's
sort
of
going
through
my
head
is
that
do
we
present
this
as
part
of
that
climate
action?
Road
map
here
is
a
key
piece
that
we
need
to
implement
in
order
to
continue
to
bring
down
these
emissions,
because,
quite
honestly,
I
don't
think
it's
an
option
right.
I
think
it's
it's
a
necessity.
If
we're
gonna
achieve
any
progress
in.
C
This
the
conclusion
that
I've
come
but
of
you
know
I've
had
to
actually
crunch
a
whole
ton
of
numbers
to
house
understand
how
much
energy
these
things
actually
use,
and
it's
pretty
much
the
equivalent
of
having
a
bitcoin
mine
in
your
you
know
in
your
city,
it's
just
a
ton
of
energy.
The
lights
are
on
they're
intensive.
C
C
The
energy
commission
suggests
that
we
require
it,
which
we
can
that's
a
reach
code,
so
they
would
have
to
approve
it,
but
they
kind
of
would
like
to
see
that
they'd
like
to
see
probably
a
stronger.
C
You
know
they.
They
had
a
bunch
of
proposals
that
didn't
make
the
final
cut,
but
because
they
were
initial
proposals,
there
are
data
on
their
cost-effectiveness
data.
So
you
know,
just
as
you
know
my
other
proposal
we'll
talk
about
in
a
minute,
but
I
have
all
the
data
from
the
state
that
they
clearly
would
accept
if
we
wanted
to
go
that
route.
But
you
know
we
need
to
understand
what
what
actually
people
are
using,
and
I
don't
understand.
A
Right,
my
other
point
is
that
I
think
it
is
broader
than
just
cannabis
facilities.
It
was
only
cannabis
facilities
because
they
asked
for
cannabis
facilities
yeah.
But
my
I
think
when
we
were
talking
about
this
ordinance,
it
was.
It
was
broader
than
that
and
so.
C
And
that's
fine,
I'm
gonna
have
to,
and
I've
got
to
call
in
with
katie
on
a
dce
issue,
but
I
pinged
her.
We
were
talking
at
two
o'clock.
We
just
set
that
time
and
I,
when
my
last
message
said
I'll
update
her,
I'm
gonna
need
a
lot
better.
Data
from
dce
on
you
know,
opt-outs
and
up-downs
and
understand
exactly
would
be
would
be
affected.
My
I
won't
say
my
concern
about
that
is.
We
need
we
need
to
find
out
who
is
not
already
at
the
dce
table
and
then
make
the
decision
of
you
know.
C
Is
it
worth
going
after
those
people
and
that's
going
to
be.
You
know
the
cannabis
folks
are
already
heavily
regulated
by
the
city,
and
so
it's
easy
they're.
You
know
they're
subject
to
substantial
state
and
city
regulation.
So
it's
easy
to
sort
of
add
on
this
one
thing
that
says
you
have
to
buy.
You
know
clean
energy
and
to
bake
that
into
the
thing
for
the
others.
Once
again,
it's
easy.
The
draft
is
already
there,
but
I
we
need
to
understand.
You
know
what
practical
effect
it
would
have.
C
So
I
will
work
with
with
you
know,
and
that's
probably
a
separate
whole
separate
stakeholder
engagement
because
then
you're
starting
to
talk
about
the
hotels
and
things
like
that.
Those
would
be
you
know.
My
guess
is
that
the
largest
users
are
going
to
be
desert,
regional
and
the
hotels,
and
I
don't
know
if
they're
already
direct
access,
which
means
you
know
they're
getting
energy
from
wherever
they
are
and
the
ordinance
and
this
was
totally
legitimate.
You
know
discussion
comment
we
had
I
had
with
with
the
bbk.
C
Is
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
don't?
You
know,
break
anybody's
contracts
because
that's
literally
unconstitutional,
so
there
was
a
slight
tweak
in
the
in
the
text
just
to
make
sure
that
if
you're
already
got
a
contract-
and
it
has
renewal
terms-
you
know
we're
not
we're
not.
You
know
we're
not
making
you
give
up
on
any
existing
contract.
So
that's
a
whole
separate
discussion
and
a
whole
separate
set
of
stakeholders,
and
I
once
again
have
even
less
data
on
who
those
people
are
than
I
have
on
the
cannabis
people.
C
So
you
know
and
then
there's
you
know
a
question
of
of
of
timing
and
and
things
like
that,
so
you
know
what
we
get
to
counsel.
I
think
the
cannabis
part
is
probably
easier
to
get
your
hands
on
just
because
when
we
can
see
we
know
who
those
people
are,
and
we
can
literally
put
them
all
in
a
room,
and
you
know
whatever
so
you
know
is.
A
The
new
requirements
that
goes
into
effect-
I
guess
it's
when
is
it
2023.
A
So
is
that
universal
in
terms
of
commercial
buildings,
or
is
it
it
is
yes
yeah?
That's
right
applies.
C
C
Yeah
and
that's
the
whole
you
know,
and-
and
that
is
the
that
is
the
challenge-
that
the
energy
commission
and
that's
the
reason
for
the
other
ordinance
that
we'll
talk
about
is
that
the
state
realizes
that
it
is
not
going
to
get
to
its
40
goal
by
2030
without
a
more
robust
program
for
existing
buildings.
But
the
way
the
energy
code
is
structured,
which
is
literally
the
warren
allquist
act
of
1974.
C
Is
that
you
it's
really
hard
to
get
into
that
that
that
statute
does
have
some
things
with
alterations
and
additions,
but
you
have
to
be
doing
a
fairly
major
proposal
to
get
into
that,
and
so
that's
the
reason
for
that
other
ordinance
and,
as
I
mentioned
in
the
slides-
and
that
was
new
information
that
I
think
I
just
got
you
know
the
day
before
or
that
on
the
day
after
from
the
reach
code
team,
there
will
be
an
existing
building.
C
Energy
efficiency
potential
reach
code,
cost
effectiveness,
study
coming
up
sometime,
probably
the
first
part
of
next
year.
So
we
can
look
at
that
or
whatever
so
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
present
the
whole.
You
know
the
ordinance
is
there.
The
easy
part
is
already
done
and
get
input
from
the
commission,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
there's
a
lot
more
work
to
be
done
by
and
a
lot
more
stakeholder
involvement.
C
If
we
literally
you
know,
take
every
every
building
in
in
the
city
and
say
you
have
to
do
this
and
we
have
to
understand
what
the
effect
would
be
and
I
need
data
from
at
least
start
with
pce
right
cost
impact.
A
C
C
C
And
and-
and
so
I
need
that
data
at
least
start
with
pce
and
then
I'll
try
to
get
talk
to
sce
to
find
out
what
their
products
are,
because
we
may
find
out
that
most
of
the
opt-outs
and
up-downs
are
actually
the
smaller
users
that
the
ordinance
intentionally
exempts
you
know,
and
and
so
with
that,
that's
the
whole
point
is
we
may
find
out
that
the
either
they're
the
really
large
users
are
on
what's
called
direct
access,
which
means
they're
buying,
and
I
would
not
be
surprised
if
the
big
box
stores
you
know
have
you
know,
have
you
know
regional
sort
of
energy,
you
know
contracts
and
so
and
then
there's
you
know,
desert
regional
and-
and
I
don't
know
what,
whether
their
direct
access
or
what
plan
there
are
and
whether
you
know
and
get
that
data
from
dc.
C
So
I
don't.
I
I'm
happy
to
take
the
ordinance
as
written
in
the
interest
of
time,
because
it
is
what
it
is
and
take
that
to
the
commission
and
say:
here's
what
it
is,
and
you
know
what
you
guys
think,
but
there's
just
a
lot
a
lot
of
work.
That
needs
to
be
done.
I've
gone
as
fast
as
I
can,
but
I
focused
on
cannabis
just
because
that
was
the
study
session
right.
C
C
We
can
include
the
other
stuff,
but
it's
going
to
require
a
lot
more
work
and
a
lot
more
data,
and
I
am
concerned
about
you
know
how
many
people
we
want
to.
You
know
the
more
we
add
on
the
more
challenge,
the
more
stakeholder
engagement.
We
need
to
do
the
more
stakeholder
potential
opposition
there's
going
to
be,
whereas
the
extent
that
mr
marshall
represents
other
people
in
the
industry,
you
know
he
seems
to
be
fine
with
going
with
dce,
and
I
cannot
picture
you
know.
C
I
can't
speak
for
city
council,
but
you
know
we
literally
cannot
achieve
our
numbers
unless
that
industry
it
goes
to
carbon
free
right,
whereas
we
already
have
achieved,
and
that's
probably
the
other
point
is
that
we
achieved
at
least
our
current
numbers
with
most
of
the
people
already
on
carbon
free.
A
Right
right,
so
so
maybe
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
present.
C
The
ordinance
can
go
as
written,
certainly
for
you
know,
for
the
commission
meeting.
My
thought
is
just
as
I
hear
the
ordinance
you
can
basically
take
the
ordinance
in
my
presentation,
and
you
know
what
what
would
you
already
have
for
today's
meeting
right,
hi
sandra
sorry
about
that
I've
been
blobbing
along
and
forgive
me
my
phone
is
running
spam.
The
ball,
I'm
sure
we
can
take
what
you
already
have.
B
C
Attach
that-
and
I
can
say
here
it
is,
and
this
is
sort
of
we,
you
know-
probably
do
it
in
two
steps,
which
is
to
say
first
focus
on
the
cannabis
industry
and
then
work
on,
and
then
you
know
decide
whether
we
get
the
data
for
the
other
ones.
You
know
for
the
other
industry,
although
the
water,
the
water
section,
is
already
there,
the
city
is,
the
code
already
requires
water
conservation.
C
C
The
energy
commission
seems
to
encourage
us
to
go
in
in
in
that
direction,
and
we
can
you
know
we
can
get
a
vendor
to
to
show
up
at
the
at
the
stakeholder
presentation
to
talk
about
efficient
water
use.
That
clearly,
that,
I
think,
is
something
that
you
know.
People
are
concerned
about.
C
A
All
right
so
after
we
present
it
to
the
commission-
and
I
don't
know
that
we
are,
I
think,
we're
looking
to
take
questions
on
it.
But
I
don't
know
that
people
will
have
a
lot
of
input
on
it.
Then
we
would
try
to
proceed
with
some
additional
stakeholder
outreach
yeah
on
that,
and
then
let's
see
where
that
goes.
B
Roy
is
wanting
to
make
a
comment.
B
One
thing
that
should
be
included
in
the
presentation
to
the
commission
this
month
is
the
history
where
we
were
right
before
covet
hit
and
what
we
were
thinking
of
doing
at
that
time,
which
basically
was
trying
to
get
all
commercial.
C
A
C
A
C
C
Yeah
and
I
didn't
think
that
they
had
but
roy
you
raised,
a
good
question
is
to
say
is
that
the
economy
that
you
know
I
did
the
initial
draft
from
in
early
2020,
isn't
necessarily
amateur.
We
really
know
some
industries
doing
well
others,
not
perhaps
you
know
the
the
the
same
economy,
whereas
the
cannabis
industry
from
all
the
cp
applications
that
are
coming
to
the
planning
commission
seems
to
be.
You
know
quite
robust
and
developing
in
the
cannabis
overlay
zone.
C
Yeah,
so
my
thought,
patrick,
is
and
then
once
again
in
the
interest
of
time
and
I've
got
the
holidays,
and-
and
things
like
that
is
is
just
you
know,
to
include
whether
you
want
to
have
it
as
a
you
know
where
you
I'll
defer
to
where
you
won't
put
the
put
it
on
the
agenda,
whether
it's
part
of
green
building,
solar
or
or
or
a
separate
item.
You
guys
decide
that,
but
just
basically
take
what
I've
got.
C
Take
the
the
materials
for
the
from
the
planning
commission
that
were
attached
to
today's
meeting
yeah.
B
C
Yeah,
that's
fine
and
and
get
input,
and
you
know
and
no
note
which
is
already
in
the
next
steps,
all
the
work
that
really
is
necessary
to
to
to
to
take
this,
and
then
you
know
when
we
get
to
the
next.
You
know
point
which
is
climate
action
roadmap
they've.
Clearly
you
know
we
can
talk
about
that,
but
it
clearly
should
be
continued.
C
I
can
you
know
cover
it
in
that
in
in
that
document
right,
because
I
think-
and
I
need
to
take
a
look
patrick,
I
think
it
may
have
been
referred
to
in
the
draft
in
in
actually
not
the
draft,
but
what
was
in
the?
What
was
in
the
pooled
agenda
item
from
you
know
what
I
call
you
know
covid
day
when
when
when
the
city
council
pulled
everything
out,
but
I
believe
it
was
referred
to
in
in
that
in
that
document
already
yeah.
I
think
so
too.
C
Probably,
but
because
I
think
I
was
talking
about
saying,
here's
a
draft,
but
so
I
guess
the
question
is
patrick-
is
that
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
have
a
sort
of
working
group
meeting
with
david
and
veronica
and
the
lawyers
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
that
we
could
at
least
start
kicking
around
and
maybe
planning
drops
out
of
this.
I
don't
know,
but
we
need
to
start.
You
know
just
sort
of
saying
well.
C
This
is
what
we
want
to
look
at
find
out
what
exactly
they
want
us
to
do
on
the
wrecks.
I
you
know
want
to
sort
of
make
the
you
know
have
somebody
do
a
presentation
on
rex
at
the
at
the
industry.
You
know
thing,
I
think
it's
way
more
complicated
than
it
needs
to
be,
but
you
know
the
planning.
Folks
are
the
ones
who
came
up
with
that.
You
know
at
the
meeting
you
know
from
a
suggestion
from
from
mr
nobles.
C
It
looks
good
on
paper,
but
and
maybe
the
lawyers
will
have
a
particular
one
in
baron,
because
that's
his
his
expertise,
he'll
have
some
input
on
that.
Maybe
it's
practically
easier
than
I
think
it
is.
C
C
All
right,
you
saw
my
availability,
you
know
or
whatever
and
obviously
it'll
just
round
our
our
meeting
on
monday
afternoon.
A
Right
exactly,
it
looks
like
such
a
simple
ordinance,
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
it.
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
that's
good
for
next
steps,
I'll
I'll,
try
to
get
in
touch
with
jeff
and
see
what
he
says.
Great
thanks.
C
Okay:
okay:
next
is
another
big
topic:
the
inventory
and
the
famous
climate
action
roadmap
to
city
council.
So
whether
you
do
we
actually
is
that
sort
of
on
the
glide
path
for
october
28th.
Now.
C
All
right,
that's
really
good
good
news,
so
I
was
hoping
one
of
my
summer.
Homework
assignments
was
to
take
our
draft
from
literally
last
year
at
this
time
to
look
at
it
and
update
you,
and
I
just
couldn't
get
to
it.
I'm
sorry.
I
made
a
promise.
I
could
not
keep
with
everything
else
that
I'm
doing
right.
So
do
you
want
me
to
take
that
draft
and
sort
of
you
know,
tweak
it
and
send
it
back
to
you
for
the
stuff
that
at
least
my
section's
on.
B
C
Right,
I
will
probably,
depending
on
everything
else
I'll
try
to
get
to
that
between.
After
I
write
the
committee
report
try
to
get
that
tomorrow.
It's
just
that
next
week
because
of
the
holiday,
my
holiday
is
already
looking
pretty
pretty
tight
right
right.
It's
a
challenge
for
me
in
this
part
of
the
year
where
I'm
you
know
when
there's
youtube
synagogue,
a
lot.
C
My
synagogue,
in
los
angeles,
is
because
I
was
there
a
few
weeks
ago.
I
was
in
la
for
the
hollywood
bowls
who
actually
went
there
and
they
have
a
very
nice
courtyard,
so
they
are
able
to
have
outdoor
services,
vaccine
requirement
mask
requirement
and
everything.
But
as
far
as
I
know
it
went
off,
you
know
fairly.
Well,
it's
apparently
pretty
hot.
You
know
for
los
angeles
standards,
it
was
hot.
So
people
were
not
happy
campers,
you
know
they
were
under
tents
and
other
people
are
having
that.
C
But
I
I
watched
on
youtube,
streamed,
live
on
youtube
and
then
yesterday
I
went
to
my
old
synagogue
in
new
york
on
on
youtube,
which
is
something
that
I
you
know
very
much
enjoyed,
because
I
I
did
go
to
services
there
for
quite
a
few
years.
So
that's
the
advantage.
C
Can
go
to
synagogue
just
about
anywhere.
You
want
to
these
days
right
right,
okay,
so
I'll
work
on
the
draft.
There's
a
lot
that's
going
on.
I
need
to
make
sure
that
that
needs
to
be
updated
to
reflect.
You
know
the
latest
legislative
proposals
and,
in
particular,
the
the
building
code,
because
that's
that's
a
huge
item
to
say:
is
it
well?
The
state
is
doing
this,
but
they're
all
these
reach
codes
and
the
state
is
encouraging
cities
to
take.
C
You
know
additional
action
to
help
the
state
achieve
its
goals,
so
I'll
update
that
okay,
specifically
on
the
ordinance
that
should
be
included.
I
you
know
I
can
take
it
also
included
in
the
agenda,
for
I
think
it
has
been
in
the
agenda
materials
for
the
commission
meetings.
C
The
numbers
keep
changing
every
time.
I
change
the
numbers
from
the
the
reach
code.
Folks
yesterday
or
maybe
tuesday.
They
said
sorry
numbers
that
we
changed
for
this
past
trap
for
the
august.
27Th
wrap
we're
changing
back
again.
C
And
sort
of
initial
costs
and
everything,
so
the
question
was
whether
they
include
replacement
costs
and
first
they
did,
and
then
they
didn't
and
now
they're
going
back
to
that.
So
I
I
have
a
there's,
an
adjustment
that
you
know
you
know
at
least
in
the
cool
roof.
Doesn't
change
doesn't
make
anything
that
was
was
cost
effective,
not
cost
cost-effective.
C
But
I
do
need
to
update
those
numbers,
so
I
will
have
that
for
and
hopefully
the
model
as
well
and
that
can
be
included
also
in
the
materials
for
the
commission
meeting
and
whether
you
know
whether
that's
new
business
or
as
part
of
green
building,
solar
green
building,
but
that
also
even
more.
C
That
definitely
does
need
to
be
part
of
the
climate
action
road
map,
and
I
think
it
already
was
because
these
are
numbers
that
I
worked
on
literally
last
summer
manually
before
they
started
to
automate
them
in
the
in
the
in
the
web.
App
so
that
that's
included
so
I'll
tweak
that
I'll
work
with
the
consultant
to
get
the
model,
and
that
should
be.
You
know
I'll,
have
that.
C
Also,
for
you
know
for
our
meeting
on
the
21st
and
that's
it
drafted
intentionally
as
an
attachment
to
the
to
the
roadmap,
because
I
would
like
counsel,
you
know
once
again:
we
need
to
do
lots
of
stakeholder
outreach
and
everything,
but
they
should
see
the
framework
because,
unlike
the
other
one,
the
good
news
about
this
one
is
chief
city
policy.
C
It
deals
with,
I
think,
the
most
pressing
issues
that
we're
dealing
with,
which
is
climate
change,
and
so
it's
intentionally
a
climate
change
adaptation
measure
I.e,
gets
people
to
insulate
their
houses
so
that
they're
more
comfortable
and
not
using
as
much
energy
and
the
most
important
thing
is
that
it's
cost
effective
the
challenge.
But
the
state
is
working
on
that.
Whether
I
have
anything
between
now
and
then
or
not
or
I
can
throw
in
a
sentence
or
two
is
that
you
may
recall,
I
think
it's
through
dce.
C
There
was
a
phone
call
we
had
with
the
chief
folks
in
the
treasurer's
office,
which
is
the
state
financing
program
and
they're
trying
to
work
on
a
bunch
of
on
bill
financing
tools
where
essentially
you're
getting
a
loan.
Via
your,
you
know,
electric
company,
presumably
the
ious,
and
then
it's
added
to
your
electric
bill
and
that's
much
better
than
pace
which
just
doesn't
work
all
that
well
and
particularly,
doesn't
work
at
all
in
tribal
land
here
in
palm
springs.
C
So
I'll
see,
if
I
can
add
a
sentence
saying
the
the
challenge
is
essentially
financing
first
cost
for
any
of
the
big
ticket
items
and
the
state
is
working
on
some
proposals
on
that,
and
you
know.
A
And
so
I
guess
my
question
back
to
kind
of
where
we
put
this
on
the
agenda
is,
let's
see.
A
C
The
proposal
is
the
one
that's
attached
to
the
to
the
meeting
agenda.
Right
is:
that's
that's
largely
based
in
encinitas
is
doing
something,
but
that's
largely
based
on
the
chula
vista
ordinance
yeah.
It
goes
a
little
bit
broader
than
chula
vista.
There
are
things
that
they
included
that
there
you
know
they
kind
of
said.
Well,
we
won't.
We
need
to
do
that.
There's
it
does
not
have
an
adu
exception.
C
That's
been
a
those
are
cost
effective,
so
there
isn't
an
exception
for
adus,
something
that
we
could
potentially
require
when
that's
not
in
this
proposal,
although
it
can
go
in
the
climate
action
roadmap
is
electrification
of
adus,
which
is
to
say,
if
you're
building
an
adu,
you
don't
need
to
drag
a
gas
line
to
it
and
just
make
those
all
electric,
because
you
know
you're,
not
adding
a
pool.
So
it's
just
space
and
water
heating-
and
you
know
your
kitchen,
so
that
can
be
reflected.
C
That's
not
on
this
proposal,
because
this
is
all
for
existing
housing,
but
but
that
proposal
is
the
one
that
I
would
like
to
present.
You
know
certainly
to
council,
which
is
you
know
if
you're
doing
a
if
you're
doing
a
renovation
of
your
house,
we
need
you
to
make
it.
You
know
more
or
more
energy
efficient.
C
Well,
the
let
me
all
of
these
things,
so
what
this
is
another
bit
of
a
moving
target
and
I'll
check
in
with
with
the
consultants
I
slightly
tweaked
the
language
on
that
it
was
how
much
it's
depending
on
your
permit
value.
C
So
this
is
a
laundry
list,
and
so
the
initial
version
was
one
two
three
four
based
on
how
much
your
permit
was.
You
know:
10
50,
25,
50
and
100.
A
C
The
and
the
the
requests
that
came
down
from
the
energy
commission,
which
they're
working
on
again,
I
saw
the
out
draft
of
that
is
it's
a
point
system.
C
So
more
points
will
be
required
for
a
higher
permit
value
and
more
than
different
levels
of
points
will
be
assigned
to
each
of
the
measures,
and
then
you
get
to
choose
which
one
you
want.
So
it's
intended.
So
that's
the
that's
kind
of
what's
reflected
in
the
current
draft,
as
opposed
to
x
number
of
measures
per
permit
value,
so
it's
intentionally
a
menu.
So
it's
not
so
much
that
is
all
of
these
is
here's
a
whole
bunch
of
things,
all
of
which
are
cost
effective,
that
you
know
that
you
get
to
choose
from.
A
C
C
They
are
on
what
the
timing
is
of
having
those
of
having
the
sort
of
the
point
values
available.
I
may
not
have
that.
You
know
in
my
next
month
in
terms
of
doing
that,
but
we
can
tweak
the
text,
but
that's
the
objective.
A
So
I
guess
I
guess
back
to
my
original
question
is:
is
there
something
that
we're
looking
for
the
commission
to
do
with
this
like?
Are
we
ready
to
present
it
to
them
and
say
hey?
Do
you
approve
us
going
forward
with
this
idea
or
or
is
it
just
an
fyi
to
say,
hey
we're
going
to
include
this
in
the
the
climate
action
road
map
to.
C
I
it's
not
really
going
to
get
any
better
for
the
commission,
so
I
think
this
is
a
good
time
as
any
is
to
say
this
is
really
our
best
shot
to
fill
in
the
gap
for
our
existing
buildings,
particularly
our
existing
homes,
because
we
all
know
that
there
are
a
lot
more
existing
homes
in
palm
springs
than
new
homes
that
will
get
built
that
will
be
covered
by
the
energy
code,
and
this
one
makes
a
clear
difference
and
once
again
it
hits
a
whole
bunch
of
you
know:
hot
buttons
of
cost,
effective
ghg
reductions,
at
least
to
some
degree,
not
so
much
because
the
people
already
on
dc,
but
there's
a
gas
and
water
saving
measure
in
there,
and
mostly
it
helps
people
adapt
to
climate
change.
A
Okay,
all
right
so
so
I
think
roy
this
would
probably
be
another
new
business
item.
If
we
want
to
get
people
to
focus
on
it
and
yeah
or
something
so.
C
I'll
tweak
I'll
work
with
the
consultants
today
tomorrow
they
already
know
what
the
deadline
is
to
get
the
numbers.
Hopefully
I'll,
get
the
model
slightly
tweak
the
text
if
necessary,
but
I
you
know,
I'm
I'm.
C
This
is
as
ready
as
it's
going
to
be
to
go
to
the
commission
and
that,
I
think,
reinforces
it,
including
its
inclusion
in
the
climate
action
roadmap
saying
and
I'll
refer
also
to
encinitas,
probably
in
the
text,
because
they're
also
this
seems
to
be
kind
of
the
the
flavor
of
the
month
in
san
diego
county,
which
is
fairly
equivalent
to
to
our
areas.
C
Obviously
they
don't
have
the
heat
that
we
do,
but
a
lot
of
the
other
you
know
kind
of
housing
stock
as
vintage
is
is,
is,
is
pretty
much
the
same,
a
lot
of
50
60's
housing
that
needs
to
get
upgraded.
B
Okay,
so
we're
talking
about
climate
action
roadmap
and
a
piece
that
will
go
into
the
climate
action
roadmap
yeah.
What
we've
done
so
far
is
in
the
july
meeting
we
presented
provided
the
last
version
of
the
climate
action
roadmap,
which
was
provided
provided
a
long
time
ago
and
really
our
target
is
to
have
it
updated
and
ready
for
the
october
28th
council
meeting.
B
So
clearly
we
won't
have
it
ready
in
full
for
our
meeting
on
the
21st,
but
we
should
have
it
ready
for
the
meeting
on
october
19th
the
commission
meeting
on
october
19th.
So
what
do
we
need
to
do?
C
I
can
look
at
it
and
try
and
you
know,
along
with
the
staff
report-
and
you
know,
and
we
can
try
and
do
a
you
know
a
sprint
to
try
and
get
it
ready
for
for
the
september
21st
commission
meeting.
I
think,
there's
more
work
to
be
done
on
the
staff
report,
because
that's
more
detailed
than
there
is
on
the
roadmap.
C
Oh
of
course,
and
the
staff
report
doesn't
need
to
go
to
the
commission
next
on
the
21st.
But
there's
a.
B
Lot
of
other
pieces
of
the
climate
action
roadmap
that
yeah
the
whole
transportation
sector,
yeah.
C
That
needs
to
be
completely
updated
and
I'm
not
you
know,
I'm
kind
of
deferred.
We
can
talk
good
talk
about
that,
so
I
mean
I'll
I'll
do
it
this
way.
I
will
work
on
my
pieces
for
both
the
roadmap
and
the
staff
report,
and
I
kind
of
defer
to
you
guys
as
to
what
you
know
what
you're
comfortable
with
to
present,
if
anything
of
that
for
the
for
the
for
the
21st.
A
A
Well,
you
know,
you
know,
I
think
it
actually
might
be
interesting
to
maybe
have
a
conversation
about
that
with
the
groups
right
so
because
it
involves
some
of
the
discussions
that
they're
having
on
the
bike
front,
and
so
they
might
weigh
in
on
that
kind
of
stuff,
so
and
and
the
pedestrian
safety
too.
A
I
think,
I
think,
that's
all
sort
of
in
there,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
set
it
up
as
a
conversation,
maybe
about
some
of
those
other
pieces
about
what
people
might
like
to
see
in
there
and
that
kind
of
thing
so
that
that
would
help
maybe
give
us
a
little
bit
more
direction
if
we
do
get
some
consulting
help
in
between
now
and
late
october,
that
we
could
maybe
have
some
more
questions
or
provide
some
more
background
to
them.
I
think
that's
a
good
approach.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
that's
good!
So
so
yeah
david.
If
you
can
finish
your
piece
and
then
we'll
take
a
look
at
the
other
pieces
and
see
if
we
can
either
tweak
them
or
at
least
set
up
a
conversation
around
a
couple
of
items.
C
A
I
think
I
think
it'll
it'll
weave
into
that
for
sure,
because
a
lot
of
the
things
that
will
end
up
in
the
climate
action
roadmap
will
end
up
in
the
planning
document:
okay,
as
goals
or
actions,
or
something
like
that.
So
so
yeah,
I
think,
they're
all
tied
together.
C
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
so
I'll
try
to
get
between
now
and
tomorrow
get
my
pieces
over
and
then
you
know,
patrick.
You
can
tweak
that
you
know,
as
as
you
want
to
for
the
for
the
for
the
commission,
meaning
you
know
in
terms
of
transportation.
Obviously
that's
the
you
know,
that's
the
biggest.
You
know
that's
one
of
the
biggest
challenges
and
right
what
the
city
you
know
can
do
and
then
you
know
I
reflected
some
stuff
on
the
housing
element.
C
A
C
All
right
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on.
Yes,
so
the
climate
and
energy
collaborative
forum
there's
just
a
lot.
I
I
guess
the
overall
message
and
I'll
try
to
synthesize
it
from
the
you
know
in
the
and
just
the
committee
in
the
committee
report.
C
So
this
is
sort
of
the
you
know.
This
is
initiative.
What's
called
the
local
government
commission,
which
is
a
bunch
of
cities
and
counties?
Obviously
you
know
not
not
officially
state
sponsored,
but
you
know,
consortium
of
local
officials
who
you
know
are
responding
to
the
state's
invitation
for
local
jurisdictions
to
step
up
to
the
plate.
Parallel
to
what
the
state
is
doing
on
on
the
energy
code.
C
C
C
Obviously,
with
the
psps
issues
in
in
northern
california,
that's
you
know
clearly
an
issue
and
there
was
a
whole
track
appropriately
so
on
environmental
justice
and
making
sure
that
any
policies
that
are
adopted
are,
you
know,
fully
equitable
and
you
know,
and
and
really
pushing
people
to
make
sure
that
everybody's
at
the
table
and
the
sort
of
stakeholder
involvement
and
we
think
about
what
the
consequences
are
and-
and
I'm
you
know,
onboarding
that,
as
part
of
you
know
my
proposal,
which
you
know
the
does
have
sort
of
an
equity
component
in
it.
C
So
those
are
really
the
themes
we
had
about
50
people
for
my
presentation.
Regrettably,
the
consultant
was
kind
of
hard
to
the
guy
who's
doing
the
the
explorer.
He
was
a
bit
hard
too.
He
was
mumbling
and
not
not
particularly
easy
to
understand.
So
the
guy
from
chula
vista,
explained
what
they're
doing
in
their
ordinance
and
then
you've
kind
of
seen
that
just
because
that
was
my
the
basis
for
what
I've
been
doing
and
then
I
presented
on
sort
of
you
know
what
we're
doing.
C
But
those
are
the
main
themes.
Clearly,
local
jurisdictions
are
doing
a
lot
right
now
and
and
and
there's
a
a
lot
of
best
practices
that
are
available,
it's
kind
of
almost
hard
to
keep
up
with
all
of
them.
The
challenge
is
that
they're,
mostly
not
in
the
los
angeles
they're,
not
the
very
few
of
the
presenters,
are
in
the
sce
slash
gas
company
territory.
C
C
A
Hey
well,
I'm
actually
excited
to
report
that
by
the
time
we
talk
next
month,
we
may
actually
have
construction
underway,
so
the
two
sites
that
will
go
forward
first
are
the
museum
garage
and
city
hall
yeah.
A
So
the
goal
is
to
have
the
museum
garage
done
by
early
october
so
that
it
would
be
done
in
time
for
modernism
week
fall
preview
and
the
opening
of
the
new
downtown
park.
C
A
Yes,
so
that
was
that
would
be
the
first
one,
and
then
that
would
be
followed
by
city
hall
and
depending
on
the
timing
of
all
that
they
do
the
shutdown
of
this
dog
park
here
at
city
hall
in
november,
for
the
receding,
and
so
I
think
the
there
might
be
a
chance
that
we
would
coincide
with
that
and
reduce
the
amount
of
traffic
that
we
have
going
through
that
area.
So
that
would
help
help
out
a
lot
so
so
we'll
see.
But
those
two
are
the
first
out
of
the
gate.
C
C
All
right:
well,
let's
just
see
that
that's
something
you
do
and
all
the
that's
a
solid
piece
of
progress
to
reflect
on
the
roadmap,
so
yeah
and
that's
gone
from
being
conceptual
to
literally
shovels
of
the
ground.
So
that's
right!
That's
really
good
news
right.
A
So
so
I
think
yeah,
the
other
ones.
The
probably
order
of
the
other
ones,
will
likely
be
the
the
convention
center
and
then
the
parking
lot
behind
the
vineyard
and
then
the
downtown
barristo
parking
garage.
A
C
A
Where
those
handicap
spaces
are
right
now
so
anyway,
so
it
could
be
a
lot
of
moving
around
down
there
and
it
does
cut
into
some
of
the
spaces
that
have
been
designated
to
the
restaurants
there.
So
again
it
might
be
there.
There
are
some
other
just
added
complications
for
that.
So.
C
Okay,
all
right,
but
at
least
it's
it's
in
the
works
and
then
and
have
the
issues
with
sc
largely
been
resolved
or
okay,
great
yeah.
A
They've,
been
they've
been
really
pretty
fast
and
helpful,
with
all
the
inputs
that
they've
had
so
far.
I
think
the
next
big
question
mark
for
them
is
when
we
do
the
trenching
for
the
wiring
over
at
the
garage
and
also
here
at
city
hall.
They
have
to
do
their
inspection
and
they
were
giving
people
like
a
24-day
turnaround
time
or
something
that
was
really
long
so
we're
trying
to
hopefully
get
that
in
a
little
faster
time
frame.
C
One
of
the
issues-
and
I
can
reflect
that
also
that
was
in
the
seek
programs-
was
improving
equitable
access
to
ev
chargers
and
so
I'll
sort
of
mention
that
and
that
credentially
can
also
be
on
the
in
the
action
plan.
But
that's
largely
that
would
be
on
private
property,
in
particular,
on
on
on
new
developments.
A
So
here's
here's
an
interesting
thing
related
to
ev
charging,
so
we
have
been
requested
by
a
member
of
the
public
to
enhance
our
requirements
for
hoas
and
multi-family
yeah
to
further
allow
and
work
and
or
require
people
to
have
charging
units
at
those
locations.
A
So
that's
something
that
we
may
be
looking
at
down
the
road
to
figure
out
how
we
might
word
that
the
current
ordinance
change
that
we
had
the
zoning
code
change
that
went
through
last
fall
is
a
little
bit
lacking.
A
C
C
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come
right
right
so
there
I
I
that
probably
would
be
a
zoning
text
amendment
because
that's
where
the
parking
code
lies,
but
I'm
happy
to
work
with
you
on
that
and
and
david
and
whoever
or
wherever
planning,
because
there
are
various
languages.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
good
materials
for
that
right
and
sandra
I'm
sorry.
I
keep
talking
exactly.
B
Okay,
just
just
kind
of
real
quick-
and
I
know
it's
a
small,
a
very
small
portion
of
the
central
palm
springs
population,
but
for
the
residents
of
towns.
Particular
you
know
of
downtown
in
my
area,
particularly
in
the
older
kind
of
historic
buildings.
Well,
they
weren't
thinking
ahead
to
parking
and
now
with
the
influx
and
the
expansion
and
the
street
expansion
of
the
restaurants
and
bars
and
cafes,
and
so
on.
B
The
precious
street
parking
that
did
exist
and
I
don't
have
a
car,
but
I
hear
this
all
the
time
there
is
no
parking
available
for
residents.
Many
of
them
are
older
or
little
kids
and
working
people,
and
that
type
of
thing,
so
there
isn't
parking
and
and
much
less
you
there
isn't
anywhere
to
charge.
Even
if
you
could
find
a
place.
Where
do
you
charge
your
car?
If
you
don't
have
access
to
a
garage
or
portal
or
some
kind
of
parking
facility,
so.
C
B
A
small
group,
but
it
does,
it-
does
put
the
kibosh
on
some
aspects
of
downtown
live.
A
Yeah,
that's
partly
why
we
were
trying
to
increase
the
numbers
of
charging
spaces
that
we
have
downtown,
and
so
so
we'll
have
a
few
more
that
are
nearby
the
kind
of
the
heart
of
downtown
and
then,
if
we
our
plans
go
forward,
then
we'll
have
a
little
bit
more
on
the
northern
end
of
that
up
by
coffee
north
that
would
be
accessible,
but
but
yeah
I
don't
know
we're
not
really.
I
don't
think
we're
planning
any
more
public
parking.
A
B
A
Right
right,
yeah
and
do
they
do
people
park
on
the
street,
mostly
if.
B
Mostly
I
mean
if
they
have
designated
parking
and
restaurants
and
the
bars
usually
have
designated
parking
behind
their
building
and
ballets,
but
a
lot
of
people.
It
was
like
they're,
okay
about
springing,
for
you
know
a
night
out,
but
they
don't
want
to
pay
the
valet
and
then
they
take
up
the
precious
parking
until
two
in
the
morning.
So
anybody
coming
and
going
is
going
to
have
to
park
and
hike
home.
You
know.
A
C
Although
that
raises
the
issue
that
jim's
been
trying
to
raise,
which
is
to
say,
do
we
really
want
you
know
more
more,
more
parking
downtown,
and
should
we
and
that's
a
that's,
an
existential
question
to
probably
be
reflected
in
in
in
in
the
road
map?
Is
it
should
we
be
looking
at
more
parking
or,
alternatively,
more
alternative
transportation
options
so
that
people
don't
have
to
park.
B
Well,
the
nice
thing
with
with
the
bus
trolley,
which
was
very
popular
with
tourists.
It
also
stopped
right
at
my
front
gate,
which
was
great
was
that
your
experience
separate
from
the
bus,
the
city
buses,
your
experience
in
palm
springs
began
on
that
buzz,
so
you
didn't
have
to
park
or
do
anything
it
would
just
take
you
along
it.
B
Had
a
nice
kind
of
tour
guide
party
atmosphere
to
it
and
it
would
take
you
through
the
town
loop,
all
the
way
to
ralph's
and
and
back
so
that
was
that
was
quite
nice,
so
people
didn't
have
to
worry
about
parking
or
losing
their
space.
They
could
bar
hop-
and
you
know,
have
a
nice
evening
out.
So
I
know
we
don't.
We
can't
have
that
right
now,
but
there
was
a
real
upside
to
it,
particularly
with
the
you
know,
people
who
were
out
you
know
doing
entertainment
and
having
a
nice
hot
night
out.
C
Like
can
that
be
put
in
the
climate
action
road
map
of
sort
of
you
know
and
as
a
transportation
part
of
transportation
of
bring
back
the
buzz.
I
mean
now
that
the
city's
finances
are
a
little
bit
more
stable.
It
was
my
recollection
is
those
roughly
300
000
the
subsidy
to
sun
line
was
roughly
300
000
a
year
three
350.
C
right.
So
that's
you
know.
A
Well,
it
definitely
aligns
with
at
least
the
other
concept
of
having
a
shuttle
from
the
airport
to
downtown
yeah.
I
mean
that
run
frequently.
I
think
that
that
would
go
a
long
way
for
us
to
advocate
that
people
not
rent
cars.
When
they
come,
I
mean
if
we
could
at
least
get
them
from
the
airport
sandra.
B
It's
safe
at
mr
chino,
if
you
could
have
something
organized
where
you
can
park
your
car
here
in
a
well-lit,
controlled
area,
hop
on
the
shuttle
that
comes
regularly
and
it'll,
bring
you
back
so
you're
not
going
to
have
to
worry
about
your
car
being
vandalized
or
being
mugged
because
you
have
to
park
off,
I
mean!
Realistically,
you
know
you,
you
parked
a
couple
blocks
off
the
main
street,
so
I
think
that
would
be
a
real
plus
for
people
to
be
able
to
go
out
and
feel
safe
and
comfortable
and
protected.
C
A
C
I
was
in
los
angeles,
taking
the
bus
and
it
was
a
train
combination
and
I
just
took
the
sun
line
up
to
desert
regional
from
there.
So
for
my
50
cents
now
that
I'm
officially
a
senior
I
got
to
use
it,
I
got
to
use
the
senior
discounts
online.
B
Also,
I
know
just
you
know
locally
over
with
the
lavender
farm
in
cherry
valley
in
but
their
parking
it
was
so
popular
became
a
nightmare
where
people
were
having
to
walk
five
miles
on
a
dirt
road,
so
they
established
the
shuttle
that
was
every
10
minutes
from
the
high
school
and
it
just
made
it
a
pleasant
experience.
And
again
your
experience
started
the
moment
you
got
on
the
shuttle
with
the
lavender
and
everything
else.
It
was
safe,
it
was
protected
and
you
didn't
have
to
you
know,
climb
around
dirt,
clogs,
rocks
and
stuff.
So
yeah.
A
B
Of
a
shuttle
and
protected
parking,
I
think
now
is
a
lot
safer.
It
looks
like
the
cost,
for
the
buzz
in
2018
was
356
000.
B
C
If
it
yeah
it
would
come
back
again,
so
I
mean
I
took
it,
you
know
I
would
frequently
you
know.
If
I
wanted
to
go
downtown,
I
would
just
go
to
the
ralshava.
You
know
for
just
a
couple
hours.
I
would
park
near
the
abandoned
bank
building
in
the
in
the
ralph's
complex
and
take
the
buzz
and
they're.
You
know
very,
very
convenient,
but
so
that
would
be
you
know.
So
that's
you
know
part,
I
think,
of
the
the
discussion
of
transportation
and
other
elements.
C
A
All
right
sounds.
B
Good,
real,
quick
or
maybe
just
even
those
sort
of
mini
shuttle
buses,
like
the
hotels
used
to
you,
know,
shuttle
their
guests
back
and
forth
or
like
with
the
airport,
something
like
that.
Just
for
the
downtown
area,
I
think,
could
what
the
bus
was
trying
to
do
was
also
reduce
traffic,
the
drunk
driving
and
increase
business
by
making
it
better
in
all
those
ways.
So
if
we
could
find
another
way
other
than
the
buzz
to
achieve
those
outcomes,
I
think
that
would
be
great.
You
know
yeah
what?
How
could
you
not
go.
B
Okay,
good.
C
Solar
app
launch,
so
there
was
a
call
with
the
solar
folks
with
tasia.
I
mean
it's
ready
to
go
they're
working
on
adding
various
features,
including
battery
storage,
but
it's
ready
to
go.
I'm
raised
an
issue
about
some.
I
think
the
roofline
profiles
not
being
available
and
they
weren't
that
comfortable
with
it.
C
But
the
solar
app
folks
said
that
that
was
fairly
easy
to
work
around
and
there
would
be
an
alternative,
so
you
can
check
with
tasia,
but
you
know
that's
something
that
I
would
also
like
to
see
and
you
know
I'll
work
into
the
you
know.
The
the
the
staff
report
and
the
the
road
map
is,
you
know,
council
has
already
expressed,
you
know
a
policy,
they
already
voted
in
favorable
law.
That
would
require
this
for
everywhere
in
california.
C
So
I
think
they've
already
made
a
policy
judgment
that
this
is
something
that's
worth
pursuing.
So
you
know
it
could
potentially
be
piloted,
but
you
know,
as
I
think
I
mentioned
last
time,
we're
being
outgreen
by
menifee,
which
is
fully
you
know
on
board
on
this,
and
I
I
think
that
that's
a
very
busy
busy.
You
know
it
it.
Theoretically
reduces
city
staff
time
so
saves
the
city.
Money
saves
the
solar
contractors
money
because
they
get
their
permits,
etc.
C
So
I'm
not
really
sure
I
understand
what
the
what
the
specific
issue
is
and-
and
you
know
it
is,
it
is
something
that
I
think
that
will
will
help
adopt
you
know,
will
help
will
help.
C
Up
with
the
material
cost
of
you
know,
I've
gone
down
and
off
a
lot
so
we'll
see,
but
you
know
that's
another
biden
announcement
yesterday
that
he
won
solar
to
provide
what
something
40
to
50
percent
yeah.
C
50
percent-
you
know
by
you,
know
2050,
so
you
know
anything
that
we
can
do
to
sort
of.
You
know
reflect
those
policy
options
would
be.
Certainly,
I
think,
some
something
that
should
be
on
the
table
so
I'll
I'll
I'll.
You
know
put
that
in
the
and
at
least
my
sections
of
the
roadmap-
and
you
know
I
think
council
could
at
least
ask
that
the
city
you
know,
do
a
pi.
You
know
identify
some
vendors.
C
You
know
the
nice
thing
is
that
we
have
really
just
a
handful
of
people
who
do
the
most
of
the
permits
here
in
town.
So
I
think
it's
very
fairly
easy
to
get
a
group
of
pilot
testers
and
see
how
that
works.
So
that
would
certainly
be
my
recommendation
is
that
we
at
least,
and
apparently
will
work
with
the
city
software.
C
I
forget
which
one
tyler
whatever
that
the
yeah.
I
think
that
was
the
biggest.
C
C
Okay,
all
right,
they
did
not
know
that
okay,
okay,
well,
whoever
is
becomes,
the
idt
manager
will
have
to
be
involved
in
in
in
those
discussions,
but
anyway
it's
it
it
it's
launching
around
the
the
the
country.
It
is
fully
live
and
apparently
you
know
people
seem
to
be.
You
know.
People
meeting
cities,
at
least
the
ones
who
are
in
those
webinars
seem
to
be.
You
know
finding
it
successful
good.
C
C
Okay,
any
any
more
takers
on
home
energy,
no.
A
No
takers
on
home
energy,
we
have
continued
to
get
requests
around
eb
charging
kind
of
business-based
ev
charging
as
part
of
the
sustainability
scholarship.
So
we
did
give
out
one
of
those
because
they
inquired
before
we
changed
our
website
to
focus
more
on
food
wear,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
think
what
we
may
do
is
just
include
eb
chargers
in
that
scholarship
money
too
going
forward
so
so
that
people
can
still
do
that.
A
Yeah,
because
it
seems
it's
important
and
I
don't
want
to
you
know
I
don't
want
to.
C
So
that
would
be
just
putting
back
that
piece
of
the
sustainability
scholarship,
so
that
would
be
in
the
sustainability,
collective.
Okay,
that's
good,
yeah
I'll
talk
to
katie
about
you
know
and
because
we're
trying
to
plan
the
next
cac
meeting
about
what
the
city
can
do
to
me.
What
dc
can
do
to
help
promote
the
city's
the
the
city
rebate
program?
I'm
sure
that
you
know
that's
like
you
know
whether
that
can
be
done
as
a
bill
insert
or
something
because
that's
clearly
an
issue.
C
A
C
Okay
included
in
sustainability,
scholarship,
okay,
so
quickly
on
the
legislative
and
regulatory
update
on
the
regulatory
side.
Obviously,
the
energy
code
approval
last
month
is
the
big
issue.
C
Tomorrow
is
the
last
day
of
the
legislative
session,
so
waiting
for
a
lot
of
balls
to
drop,
and
so
I'll
include
in
the
report
sort
of
what
makes
it
through
tomorrow.
One
of
the
key
pieces
of
legislation,
which
is,
I
think,
ab1395-
would
be
to
codify
the
carbon
neutrality
by
2045,
which
is
currently
an
executive
order,
but
not
statute.
C
So
we'll
see
what
that
makes
through,
and
there
was
a
very
interesting
article
in
yesterday's
new
york
times,
sir
today's
I
saw
it
very
late
late
last
night
when
I
was
I'm
finally
having
dinner
energy
related,
but
whether
you'd
seen
these
guys
from
scour,
but
it
would
put
labeling
requirements
for
for
recycling
or
what's
not
recycling.
Did
you
see
that
legislation
yeah.
A
It's
really
exciting,
actually
because
it
would
eliminate
the
green
washing
that
happens
with
a
lot
of
those
recycling
codes
and
it's.
It
would
be
so
interesting
to
have
that
in
place,
because
it
would
really
help
us
out.
I
think,
on
the
recycling
front,
to
dispel
some
of
those
myths,
and
but
it
has
actually
a
lot
of
implications
right,
so
it
it
would
change
the
nature
of
what
we
accept
in
our
recycling
system,
and
so
that
would
be
much
smaller
in
terms
of
the
universe
of
things.
A
We
would
accept
and
it'll
be
interesting
to
see
if
it
prompts
any
changes
in
design
of
packaging
and
other
sorts
of
things
by
industry,
because
if
they
are
pressed
and
they're
pressed
to
take
those
labels
off
of
things,
then
it
might
make
them
rethink
how
they
do
how
they
do
their
business.
So
so
yeah,
it's
very
exciting.
Yeah.
C
B
B
C
I'll
after
the
meeting
I'll
send
that
to
you,
because
I
sent
myself
some
link
to
myself
and
it
was
a
really
good
article
share.
The
article
with-
maybe
you
want
to
you
know
include
that
in
the
in
the
scour
report,
roy
I'll
copy
it
I'd
like
to.
B
C
That
too,
yeah
I'll
include
that
it
was
a
rather
comprehensive
article
in
the
times
new
york
times.
Hence
in
the
la
times,
okay,
all
right,
so
I'll
I'll
provide
a
full
more.
You
know
more
comprehensive
regulatory
update
in
the
report,
all
right,
dce
literally
after
we
finish
this
meeting
dc,
is
moving
forward
with
an
rfp
for
distributed
energy
resources.
C
Katie
sent
me
the
draft,
I'm
going
to
be
looking
at
it
like
now,
and
so
the
objective
is
for
that
to
be
the
rfp
to
be
launched
sooner
rather
than
later.
In
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
you'll
recall
we
had
discussions
with
the
david
verdick,
so
it's
kind
of
you
know
it's
not
so
sore
so
he'll
written
along
with
anybody
else,
but
that's
the
idea
to
you
know
to
see
what's
available
this
and
it's
something
once
again
I'll
talk
to
katie
about
is
what
you
know
distributed
energy.
C
Would
that
help
with
our
you
know
with
cannabis
folks
so
that
if
they
do
want
to
put
solar,
it's
at
no
an
upfront
cost
to
them
and
it
reduces
their
their
their
their
bills.
So
I'll
talk
to
katie
about
that,
because
I
think
that
the
numbers
would
probably
support
you
know,
at
least
to
some
degree
some
solar
and
it's
it
is
cost
effective
in
the
end
of
the
day.
C
But
it's
not
there's
a
limit
as
to
how
much
they
can
actually
put
on
the
roofs
and
because
of
their
you
know
their
their
their
capital
structure.
It's
you
know
if
we
can
find
a
way
of
giving
them
the
benefit
of
solar
without
having
them
for
the
upfront
costs.
I
think
that's
something
that
you
know.
C
We
should
look
at
yeah
so
and
the
other
issue,
because
benjamin
so
we're
looking
at
issues
of
sort
of
topics
for
the
next
cac
meeting
at
the
end
of
the
month
and
benjamin
suggested
hopefully-
and
I
said
that's
a
really
good
idea-
this
company
called
homeconnect
which
will
allow
you
to
essentially
get
get
paid
for
not
turning
on
your
electric,
build
your
electricity.
You
know
your
major
appliances
and
ac
during
the
flex
alert
which
we
had
another
one
of
last
night.
C
So
I've
asked
for
a
presentation
on
that,
because
I've
been
curious
about
it,
but
not
sure
how
it
works
with
with
ncca
and
particularly
for
solar
customers
and
then
going
to
the
retrofits
on
a
longer
term
basis,
and
this
was
a
lesson.
The
module
from
the
c
conference
is
that
scaqm
sponsored
a
retrofit
insulation
program
as
a
mitigation
measure
for
the
sentinel
plant,
except
that
it
was
focused
on
disadvantaged
communities
in
the
east
valley,
mecca
coachella.
You
know
thermal
area
as
opposed
to
the
people
who
live.
C
You
know
next
to
the
plant
and
in
palm
springs.
So
I
mean
I
understand
where
that
was
coming
from
and
with
funds
limited
sc
qmd
wanted
to
focus
on
disadvantaged
communities,
but
it's
a
bit
frustrating
that
the
money
went
30
miles,
you
know
east
and
not
not
not
here
in
palm
springs,
so
I've
already,
so
I've
asked
dce
to
start
looking
at.
You
know
how
can
some
kind
of
that
program
be?
You
know,
be
replicated
here,
the
energy
savings
and
I'll
try
and
put
that
also
in
the
legislative
regulatory
update.
C
The
cpuc
has
substantially
bolstered
funds
available
for
the
energy
savings
assistance
program.
I
think
it's
like
400
million
dollars
a
year
statewide,
so
that
would
probably
be
the
biggest
part
of
funds
that
may
be
available,
but
I'd
like
to
sort
of
see
tce,
because
we
do
this
retrofit
program.
It
intentionally
exempts
anybody
on
care
fiera.
They
are
probably
the
people
who
need
the
insulation
the
most,
so
we
want
to
start
identifying
funding
that
can
basically
come
in
in
the
system.
C
B
C
Yeah
the
ordinance
does
that,
but
then
there's
a
question
of
if
you're
doing
a
major
renovation
you
can
afford
to
pay
for
it
as
opposed
to
the
the
esa
program.
These
are
programs
that
are
income
limited.
So
it's
a
it's
a
combination
of
finding
every
it
has
to
everyone
needs
to
benefit
for
it
and
for
the
people
who
don't
have
the
means
to
do
it.
Who
who
need
it,
then
we
need
to
get
find
identify
funds
that
are
available
for
that
to
happen.
B
Sure,
but
it
should
you
know
what
I'm
saying
it
should
be
not
like
you
can
afford
it.
You
take
care
of
it
that
general
support
and
guidance
should
be
for
everybody
if
you've
got
the
means
great.
If
you
don't,
we
still
need
to
get
you,
you
know
up
to
compliance
and
we
need
we
all
need
to
be.
So,
I
think
that's
great
yeah.
C
We
don't
want
to
require
things
that
people
can't
afford,
and
so
that's
where
we
need
to
identify
the
funds.
You
know
that
are
available,
so
that'll
make.
C
So
that
would
be
yeah
so
that
that
that's
the
goal,
so
I've
asked
benjamin
to
start
looking
into
that
and
I'll
provide
an
update
at
the
extent
that
I
can
on
that,
and
then
the
dc
board
meeting
is
a
week
later.
Then
it's
been
moved
by
a
week.
So
it's
now
the
27th
as
opposed
to
the
20th.
C
So
I
won't
have
the
agenda
by
the
time
we
the
commission
meeting
meets,
but
I'll
at
least
have
a
couple
of
ideas
for
what's
going
on
there,
okay
september
commission
meeting
so
there's
a
lot
so
cannabis
and
climate
action,
road
map
and
the
energy
ordinance,
those
all
kind
of
be
new
items
and
then
I'll
cover
just
sort
of
some
of
these
other
matters
and
and
just
sort
of
the
the
update
report
in
the
committee
report.
C
Okay
and
then
sandra.
B
C
C
Okay,
so
we'll
go
we'll
go
back
yes,
okay,
yeah!
I
kind
of
I
saw
you.
I
saw
you
didn't,
hear
you,
but
okay,
that's
fine!
So
we'll
go
back
to
the
traditional,
the
usual
meeting
then,
and
that's
been
on
my
calendar
and
patrick,
that
still
works
for
you
main
street
is
over
by
then
yep.
C
All
right!
That's
good!
Okay,
and
that
gives
me
enough
time
to
work
on
anything.
You
know
go
on
the
report
and
then
get
it
done
in
time
for
the
for
the
committee.
Mini
membership.
Meeting.
Excuse
me:
okay.
C
Okay,
so
I
think
it's
a
about
11
o'clock.
I
think
we've
pretty
much.
You
know
covered
a
lot,
there's
just
a
lot
going
on
right
now,
yep
very
much
so.
Okay,
all
right
so
expect
a
whole
bunch
of
emails,
probably
by
the
end
of
the
day
tomorrow,
because
I
said
I
don't
want
things
to
fall
into
next
week,
just
because
I
have
some
some
limited
time
and
obviously
we
gotta
get
the
package
ready
for
the
commission
meeting.
C
So
I'll
get
you
my
deliverables
by
by
tomorrow
and
then,
if
you
could
patrick,
if
I
can,
you
know,
have
you
do
a
pokemon,
your
head
into
jeff's
office
and
try
to
schedule
something
because
I
can't
move
forward
without
you
know
further
direction
on
where
we
want
to
go
on
on
on
some
of
these
things.
So
at
least
we
meet
sometime
next
week
and
then
you
know,
and
then
that
can
be
reflected-
and
you
know
a
discussion
at
the
commission
on
the
21st
good.