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You,
since
this
is
a
public
meeting
audience
members
are
permitted
to
comment
on
any
issue.
That's
within
this
committee's
purview
comments
on
an
item
appearing
on
today's
agenda
are
made
at
the
time
that
that
item
is
presented.
If
you
want
to
speak
on
an
item
that
is
not
on
today's
agenda,
you
may
speak
now.
Each
speaker
will
have
three
minutes
anybody
to
speak
on
in
the
night
non
agenda.
Thank
you,
oh
I'm.
Sorry,
please
give
us
your
name
and
address.
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I'm
Eric
sheĆll
I
live
at
1198
Marian
way
in
Palm,
Springs
and
I
am
here
today
representing
one
PS
organized
neighborhoods
of
Palm
Springs,
we're
a
501,
C
4
nonprofit
corporation
made
up
of
the
leadership
of
47
organized
Palm,
Springs
neighborhoods,
and
it's
in
that
capacity.
I
am
also
I,
am
the
communications
officer
for
the
organization
and
in
that
capacity,
I'm.
Also,
the
creative
director
and
author
of
a
publication
called
the
one
PS
guy
to
Palm
Springs
neighborhoods
I.
Think
some
of
you
may
be
familiar
with
this.
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H
Yes,
good
afternoon
has
introduced.
This
is
a
major
architecture,
review
application
for
brand
new
residence
on
the
hillside
property,
and
this
is
a
project
site.
It's
a
vacant
hillside
and
a
lot
sizes
of
approximately
fourteen
thousand
nine
hundred
seventy
square
feet,
and
this
is
existing
image
of
the
site.
H
The
project
site
has
the
highest
point
on
the
east
side
and
the
elevation
difference
between
the
east
side
of
the
parcel
and
the
west
side.
The
west
side
of
the
Purser's,
approximately
10
feet
in
Africa,
is
proposing
to
build
a
new
4527
square
foot
residence
which
includes
two-car
garage,
four
bedrooms
and
the
residence
is
going
to
be
single
for
me.
I'm
so
excuse
me
single-story,
and
this
is
a
proposed
site
plan
and.
H
H
The
color
of
the
the
architecture
element
on
the
front
was
originally
a
more
white
of
color.
However,
that
applicant
has
since
changed
the
color
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
gray.
And
yes,
thank
you.
The
color
board
is
available
and
sorry
I,
just
keep
going
back
and
forth
here,
and
the
other
change
was
to
create
an
eyebrow
on
the
West
elevation
to
reduce
the
the
sunlight,
which
has
been
also
incorporated
in
a
design.
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H
And
then
also,
the
revision
proposes
a
mission
of
a
wood
veneer
on
the
front
elevation
between
the
the
entrance
and
I'm
sure
that
the
garage
door,
and
also
the
color
of
the
the
rollup
garage
door
will
be
also
be
changed
or
that's.
The
difference
that's
been
depicted
in
the
revised
plan,
and
this
is
a
view
of
the
property
in
the
rear
in
the
side
and
the
view
of
the
surroundings
from
the
property.
H
H
The
applicant
has
accommodated
some
of
the
changes
are
required
by
the
architectural
advisory
committee,
and
the
applicant
is
here
and
stuff
is
also
here
and
Department
of
engineering.
Stuff
is
also
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have,
and
this
concludes
the
staff
presentation.
Thank
you
know.
Rico.
I
You
and
when
I
went
through
this
I
kind
of
distilled
it
down
to
the
difference
between
what
we
saw
last
time,
the
lists
no
Rico
and
what
we
have
this
time
and
the
Delta
difference.
Most
of
the
things
have
been
addressed
to
some
extent
except
for
two
outstanding
items.
One
was
the
garage
door
right
with
no
overhanging,
okay
and
the
other
is
the
shift
of
the
building
to
the
north.
Can
you
tell
us
about
consulting
with
engineering
on
the
second.
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G
Is
that
slope
once
if
you
get
further
down
the
slope,
it
becomes
greater
than
a
thirty
percent
slope
which
technically
you
can't
touch
the
hillside.
So
shifting
it
to
the
rear
of
the
property
is
not
a
wise
decision.
It
should
probably
left
where
it
is
because
the
hydrology
may
be
a
challenge
already.
Okay,
without
you
know,
pushing
it
further
in
so,
okay.
I
H
Is
correct,
well,
minor
architecture
features
such
as
overhangs
and
and
so
forth
is
permitted
to
project
into
the
required
the
front
yard
for
so
many
feet.
However,
in
this
port
for
this
particular
project
African,
the
would
be
a
free
country
has
submitted
administrative,
minor
modification
application
or
reduced
from
the
outset
back
and
as
well
as
a
building
height
side.
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I
I
I
Right
and
I
did
notice
and
I
think
I
asked
last
time
and
it
was
probably
answered
and
I
apologize
if
it
just
seeped
through
my
head,
but
the
framing
height
of
that
garage.
It's
got
a
10
foot,
6
inch
ceiling
or
a
10
foot
ceiling
right.
The
plate
height
is
10.
6
I've
got
that
right.
It's
kind
of
hard
to
see,
and
this
may
not
show
it.
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J
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K
You
very
much
I
appreciate
all
of
you
being
here
today.
We've
made
virtually
all
of
the
modification
requests
per
the
last
meeting
that
we
had
and
I'm
gonna
give
you
a
brief
overview.
A
lot
of
it
are
things
that
noriko
had
touched
on,
and
Rick
had
also
mentioned
too
so
because
of
the
natural
Arroyo
along
the
north
of
the
property.
There's
a
steep
slope
and
by
moving
the
house
in
that
area,
would
affect
the
conditions
in
that
area,
so
we're
requesting
that
we
leave
the
house
in
its
present
location.
K
Regarding
the
southwest
corner
of
the
house,
the
height
is
a
one-story
structure,
and
other
homes
in
the
community
are
closer
to
the
street
being
two-story
structures.
Therefore,
this
design
is
lower
in
height
and
less
imposing
than
the
others
that
are
already
built.
A
cross-section
has
been
provided
in
the
middle
for
you
to
look
at
mm-hmm,
the
off-white
color
has
been
changed
to
a
medium
gray
on
both
the
garage
door
and
the
low
wall.
At
the
study,
the
front
box
element
grid
will
be
a
natural
cement
block.
K
K
K
I've
provided
a
cut
sheet
on
the
overhang
lights,
showing
the
how
this
light
that
we're
proposing
works
and
also
brought
a
physical
sample
of
the
light
with
me.
I
can
pass
this
around
if
you'd
like,
but
this
basically
has
the
this
is
the
trim
piece
that
houses
the
mr16
light.
So
this
component
here
swivels
back
and
forth,
so
you
can
control
the
direction
of
the
light,
but,
let's
just
say,
for
example,
the
overhang
has
a
slight
break
tinkle
to
it.
K
This
light
can
be
pitched
in
this
direction
or
straight
up
to
minimize
the
light
glare
that
way,
ordinarily
follow
the
rake
of
the
roof
and
the
photo
you
see
here
that
is
facing
a
street
and
we've
accomplished
that
light
glare.
With
this
exact
same
fixture,
the
other
nice
thing
about
this
fixture.
It
has
a
slot
here,
so
it
really
minimizes
direct
light
view.
That's
significant!
These
are,
these
are
great
lights.
They're
used
a
lot
for
art,
light
applications
as
well,
for
just
that
reason
to
eliminate
glare.
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K
G
K
G
G
K
B
K
B
K
B
K
B
K
E
I
It
this
is
kind
of
an
observation,
because
I
think
this
is
the
second
one
that
I
have
been
on
the
committee
that
is
in
that
subdivision,
and
it
seems
that
all
of
the
lots
that
are
developed
there
seem
to
need
all
exception
to
building
envelope
issues
with
the
planning
code
AMM,
and
it's
just
kind
of
interesting
and
I.
Don't
know
if
one
neighbor
starts
it
and
it
begins
a
precedent
or
whatever,
but
I
can
see
certain
ways
in
which
it
could
be
avoided,
and
sometimes
these
things
are
self-inflicted.
I
B
I
A
tremendous
amount
of
solar
heat
game
that
are
at
a
perfunctory
level
address,
but
I
really
don't
think
it
kind
of
solves
a
larger
problem
and
it
doesn't
necessarily
integrate
good
good
heat
gain
control
through
architectural
elements
as
well
as
it
could.
So.
This
is
just
kind
of
general
observations.
You
know
it's.
It's
come
a
Delta
difference
from
where
it
was,
but
yeah
I'm
still
uncomfortable
with
multiple
elements
on
it.
Thank.
B
First,
to
address
John's
last
comments:
I
think
the
Brio
not
think
the
reason
that
the
city
has
set
up
this
process
for
hillside
residents
to
come
to
the
architectural
value
planning
is
because
they
recognize
that
the
lots
are
different
than
just
a
flat
lot
in
town.
You
can
really
see
in
some
of
the
older
neighborhoods,
like
the
Mesa,
where
people
have
built
right
up.
So
it's
you
know
it
is
a
challenge,
but
I'm
always
have
a
challenge
when
a
developer
takes
a
hillside
lot
and
creates
a
flat
design
to
the
house
specifically
on
this
house.
B
The
projection
of
the
side
element
to
the
left
of
the
block
panel
that
comes
out
into
the
setback
is
a
unusable
architectural
element
and
I
think
it
definitely
adds
to
the
star
and
character
of
the
front
of
the
house.
So
I
wouldn't
have
any
problem
supporting
this
reduced
setback,
especially
because
it's
not
adding
buildable
area
I
would
also
support.
B
The
one
question
I
didn't
ask
mr.
Foster
is
on
the
roof
plan.
It
shows
where
the
solar
panels
are.
It
calls
out
a
detail
that
would
show
us
the
height
of
the
parapet,
but
that
detail
isn't
on
the
drawings.
So
we
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that
parapet
is
tall
enough,
that
it
does
shield
those
solar
panels
and
I.
Think
the
eyebrow
and
the
in
the
master
bedroom
really
did
a
good
job
to
make
that
look
more
interesting.
To
give
a
an
example
of
some
shading.
B
A
J
Ge
mm
a
last
name:
Marshall
and
I
came
today
to
talk
about
lighting
I'm
part
of
the
architectural
board
for
Pinnacle
and
I've,
made
a
couple
requests
for
the
interior
lighting
plan
because
we're
looking
at
the
overall
picture,
you're
getting
one
house
at
a
time,
but
this
is
a
full
development
it,
and
so,
once
this
house
is
done,
a
whole
nother
set
of
houses
come
above
lot.
10
Brian
builds
a
particular
kind
of
house,
their
one-story.
They
tend
to
have
longer
glass
walls
and
they
tend
to
project
more
light.
J
So
we
get
lighting
plans
so
late
in
the
game.
When
we
start
looking
at
how
these
houses
are
stacked
or,
let's
say,
for
instance,
lot
that
was
approved
in
the
next
phase,
its
lot
1
in
lot
3.
So
then
you
have
two
more
walls
of
glass
that
are
projecting
down
onto
hundreds
of
people
off
the
hillside
and
that
concerns
us,
because
the
only
thing
that
we
end
up
having
to
go
by
is
Brian's
portfolio
and
I
have
some
pictures
from
that
portfolio.
J
J
It
shows
it's
reserved,
so
then
the
next
one
is
one,
the
next
one's
three
and
the
next
one
is
nine
right
above
this.
Are
they
gonna
point
any
of
those
windows
towards
my
house?
I?
Don't
think
so.
It's
gonna
be
right
at
the
top
of
the
hill
and
it's
gonna
be
the
same
wall
of
lights
and
there's
there's
no
articulation,
there's
no
break
up.
As
you
said,
the
eyebrows
are
really
small
and
the
heat
gain,
and
all
of
that
so
with
every
house
coming
in
like
this.
J
J
D
Hi,
my
name
is
John
McCoy
I
live
at
165,
0
Avenida,
Sevilla
I
am
speaking
as
a
resident
at
Palm
Springs
and
in
no
way
representing
the
architectural
Advisory.
Committee
I
would
like
to
comment
on
the
project
respond
to
one
of
the
applicants
comments
that
a
one-story
house
is
less
imposing
than
the
existing
two-story
houses.
The
way
that
this
is
designed
with
an
18-foot
wall
facing
out
to
the
entire
neighborhood
is
not
less
imposing.
D
As
the
other
neighbor
mentioned
at
night.
We
don't
know
how
many
lights
are
on
the
inside.
We
have
had
a
minor
discussion
about
a
couple
of
lights
in
an
overhang
which
we
saw
a
perfectly
acceptable
fixture,
and
but
we
don't
know
where
those
are.
Where
are
they
in
the
overhang
with
the
new
overhang
that
he
just
added?
Are
there
any
lights
in
there
with
the
other
overhang
extending
out
on
the
south
side
of
the
pool?
Are
there
lights
in
there?
D
D
As
a
neighbor,
we
we
were
told
in
this
initial
development.
It
was
open
space
when
I
purchased.
My
property
development
came
into
very
strict
regulations
on
landscape
and
lighting,
and
everything
current
folks
came
in
and
bought
the
Lots
and
through
all
of
that
out,
so
thus
you've
seen
white
houses
and
other
things
coming
coming
at
you,
engineering
doesn't
know.
What's
going
on
with
that
corner
of
the
house
and
the
corner
of
it
is
in
fact
in
that
Swale.
D
When
you
know,
certainly
you
can.
You
can
change
things
on
the
lot
and
I
have
not
opposed
the
grading
and
the
large
retaining
wall
on
the
back,
but
to
not
know
what's
going
on
and
that
Swale
there's
a
retention
pond
behind
my
house
and
my
next-door
neighbor's
that
that
water
runs
directly
down
into
that
retention.
Pond
there's
then
a
pipe
that
goes
underneath
a
driveway
that
flows
all
the
way
to
the
wash
behind
every
single
house.
On
buggar
trail,
so
what
he's
doing
right?
There
affects
every
single
house
all
the
way
down
to
the
wash.
D
K
First,
off
on
Gemma's
comments
about
lighting
I
know
they
feel
strongly
about
it.
But
Gemma
has
my
cellphone.
She
has
my
email
address.
I
have
encouraged
her
to
contact
me
meet
me
if
she
has
absolutely
any
concerns.
Instead,
she
likes
to
run
here
and
convey
to
all
of
you
her
dissatisfaction
with
multiple
things.
It's
appropriate
she
as
being
a
board
member
for
an
architectural
committee
to
reach
out
directly
to
a
homeowner
or
property
owner
and
work
through
the
process.
I
submit
plans
and
I
get
no
response.
There's
no
cooperation,
it's
just
constant
nonsense.
K
Getting
to
the
lighting,
it's
very
aggravating,
because
it's
so
obvious.
Let's
just
say
we
built
this
house
and
we
had
one
or
two
lights
and
it's
insufficient
lighting.
Someone
buys
the
house
moves
in
they're,
gonna
find
a
way
to
light
the
house
the
way
they
want
it,
and
we
have
to
be
realistic
about
this.
K
K
They
formed
a
lawsuit
against
the
landowner
that
has
the
majority
of
the
votes
for
the
community,
trying
to
relinquish
power
for
only
one
reason,
and
that
is
to
head
off
any
development.
There
there's
no
other
reason
to
sue
the
landowner.
What's
the
point,
so
these
actions
are
very
frustrating
I've,
been
in
this
business
for
over
30
years.
I
know
when
I
have
an
HOA
that
wants
to
see
development
they
reach
out.
They
talk
to
you.
We
have
meetings.
We
sit
around
a
table
like
this
and
come
to
a
resolution.
They
don't
just
every
move.
K
You
make
try
and
head
you
off,
no
matter
what
you
do,
it's
not
good
enough.
It's
not
good
enough
changes.
Let's
do
this.
Do
that
and
that's
why
it
took
a
year
to
get
the
first
house
approved
and
shouldn't
have
to
go
through
any
of
this.
It's
inappropriate,
ineffective
and
unnecessary
I
reach
out
with
genuine
concern
and
I
understand
all
of
their
concerns,
but
we're
not
doing
anything.
That's
that
is
anywhere
near
the
picture.
These
people
are
trying
to
paint
these
are
nice
homes,
they're
low-profile
the
add
value
to
the
community.
K
We
set
a
record
sale
in
the
community,
a
record
bringing
up
their
property
values.
Do
they
care?
No.
Instead,
they
go
to
that
that
buyer
and
start
complaining
about
the
erosion
trying
to
scare
them
off,
saying
that
there's
a
big
erosion
problem
behind
lot
7
and
it
turns
out
that
the
erosion
problem
is
behind
their
Lots,
the
mostly
and
those
that
erosions
been
there
before
their
homes
were
even
built
and
to
make
matters
worse.
The
homeowner
on
lot
six
has
an
illegal
discharge.
K
Pipe
a
drainage
is
part
discharge
pipe
right
into
the
rear
of
the
slope.
I
have
a
photo
of
it
shocking
that
these
people
would
even
go
to
these
extents
to
do
whatever
they
can
to
head
off
development.
So
if
it
really
was
a
court
of
law
and
we
had
to
sit
down
and
look
at
the
facts,
it
would
become
evident
that
all
of
these
people
are
completely
using
this
system.
This
forum
to
head
off
any
development
there
and
John
McCoy
his
house
doesn't
look
up
at
this
direction.
K
It
has
absolutely
no
effect
to
him
at
all.
His
house
looks
west,
so
his
house
is
sunken
down
so
far
with
a
huge
retaining
wall
be
impossible
to.
Even
this
house
would
be
impossible
for
him
to
see
any
of
the
houses
at
Pinnacle
and
I.
Don't
appreciate
these
people
coming
and
making
these
claims,
it's
probably
more
of
a
reason
because
he
rents
his
home
or
at
least
its
online
as
a
rental,
and
it
probably
would
interfere
with
his
rental
income,
which
is
understandable
to
have
development
going
up.
K
B
We're
here
just
to
talk
about
the
architecture,
we're
listening
to
comments
from
citizens.
Excuse
me
who
don't
necessarily
have
to
be
adjacent
to
the
property,
but
they
can
be
concerned
for
how
what's
built
affects
the
city,
but
we
don't
need
to
talk
about
who's,
renting
a
house
who's
doing
what
I
think.
We
just
need
to
talk
about
the
specifics
of
this
particular
house
and
to
answer
one
of
Jenna's
comments
earlier
about.
B
Why
don't
we
look
at
all
of
these
as
an
overall
project
they're
not
submitted
to
us
that
way,
and
so
we
have
to
just
look
at
the
individual
applications
that
we
get
and
it's
hard
for.
It's
not
really
possible
for
us
to
create
a
neighborhood
concept.
That's
what
the
HOA
is
for
and
I
know.
There's
been
problems
there
because
of
ownership,
changes
and
things,
but
our
job
is
the
architecture.
Advisory
Committee
is
to
look
at
the
architecture
of
this
one
house
and.
K
That's
well
said,
and
we
again
we
welcome
the
HOA
and
the
homeowners
there
to
reach
out
directly
to
us
through
the
process,
and
if
they
have
any
concerns,
we
will
gladly
incorporate
them
into
the
design.
We're
not
unreasonable
to
deal
with
its.
It
should
be
a
simple
positive
process
and
we're
willing
to
make
it
that
way
if
people
would
respond
that
way,.
K
K
I
Again,
I
would
reiterate
the
fact
that
the
difference
between
what
we
saw
last
time
to
this
they
have
made
the
improvements
that
we
had
wanted
to
see.
I
think
that
the
one
exception
would
be
something
additional
in
terms
of
an
overhang
extension
doesn't
even
have
to
go
to
the
ground
with
the
garage
door.
I
G
G
Think
there
are
potentially
more
sensitive
ways
to
do
this
on
this
particular
house.
You
know
I,
think
we're
I,
think
we've
expressed
the
concerns.
I
think
I
would
hope
in
the
future
on
future
projects
that
maybe
the
designs
are
a
little
more
sensitive
to
solarek
solar
exposure
and
also
take
into
consideration
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
neighbors
in
the
development,
as
well
as
below
about
the
lights
and
just
find
a
way
to
design
it
in
such
a
way
that
there
is
less
impact.
E
Yeah
I
agree:
I
think
you
know
our
concerns
were
addressed
with
this
property.
You
know
I
do
think.
As
I'm
looking
at
the
site
plan,
the
the
the
broad
exposure
of
doors
from
the
living
room
is
almost
40
feet
back
from
the
edge
of
the
property
line
on
the
west.
So
I
can't
think
that
there
would
be
a
massive
amount
of
kind
of
light
bleed
past
that
the
edge
of
the
site
I
mean
it
will
be
potentially
bright,
but
it's
a
hillside
home
and
if
people
have
their
lights
on,
you're
gonna
see
lines.
B
E
B
E
I
An
additional
footnote
to
what
you
were
expressing
their
part
of
the
struggle
has
also
been
the
elevations
of
this
house.
It
hasn't
been
said
that
plainly,
but
I
think
that
there
is
a
missing
link
between
the
functional
addressing
of
solar
control
and
the
elevations.
It
looks
absent
thought
in
that
direction,
and
it's
you
know
in
in
the
see
in
in
the
development
of
some
type
of
program,
addressing
reduction
of
heat
gain
are
the
seeds
of
solutions
that
begin
to
express
in
terms
of
the
elevations,
and
that
has
not
woven
itself
through
any
of
this.
I
A
Second,
mr.
chair,
if
I
could
please
so,
are
we
recommending
approval
with
two
conditions?
One
will
be
to
call
us
and
there
that
will
be
overhang
yes
to
the
garage.
So
that's.
G
A
E
B
A
You
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
ASC,
so
what
you
have
before
you
today
is
finite
development
plans.
So
I'm
gonna
call
on
mr.
chair
later
on
to
make
a
comment,
because
mr.
chair
and
members
are
vice.
Chair
at
men
were
members
of
a
subcommittee
that
we
worked
with
on
this
project
prior
to
this
moment,
Edward.
E
B
E
A
Okay,
so
back
to
this
project,
though
this
is
a
finite
development
plan,
and
it
is
it
thought
of
the
final
plans
that
you've
seen
at
the
mirror.
Lon.
If
you
recall,
we
had
the
Woodbridge
by
a
Pacific
that
you
saw
first
and
then
you
also
saw
gallery
homes,
and
today
you
are
reviewing
70
units
proposed
by
Christopher
homes.
So
the
the
site
plan
that
you
have
on
the
board,
the
Pitts,
the
whole
of
Maryland
project
and
those
darkened
area
shows
where
these
70
Lots
that
has
been
proposed
would
be
located.
A
And
again,
as
I
was
mentioned
in
earlier,
are
leading
to
this
meeting
today,
the
applicant
had
had
several
meetings
with
staff
and
the
subcommittee
that
was
formed
by
the
Planning
Commission
to
work
with
applicants
at
the
mirror
loan.
So
we
met
with
the
applicant
on
three
occasions
to
review
the
preliminary
submittals.
A
All
of
these
are
in
the
exhibits
that
were
sentenced
to
members
of
the
AAC,
and
this
is
the
second
portion
of
the
site
plan.
So
the
plan
itself
that
you
will
be
reviewing
three
different
plans
that
are
being
proposed
and
they
are
designated
as
plan
one
plant
two
and
plant
three
and
each
of
these
plans.
We
have
three
variations
of
elevations,
so
you
will
have
variation
a
B
and
C
again.
The
mirror
lawn
project
itself
was
approve
by
the
City
Council,
we're
back
in
2004
and
because
of
the
recession
that
took
place
sometime
in
2008.
A
These
projects
was
abandoned
and
it
was
reacquired
by
freehold
that
is
now
that
is
not
developed
to
site.
So,
if
you've
been
there
recently,
you'll
notice
that
the
perimeter
landscaping
and
all
other
improvements
that
were
conditioned
to
be
carried
out
have
been
done,
and
also
the
olive
grove
that
it's
part
of
the
amended
up
plan
have
been
carried
out
and
they
are
ongoing.
So
again,
Kristopher
homes
would
be
the
third
builder
that
is
submitted.
Final
development
plans.
A
In
looking
at
the
conformance
of
the
plans
that
you
are
reviewing
today,
we
go
back
to
the
approve,
deny
amended
development
standards
and
guidelines,
both
architecture
and
landscape,
that
the
City
Council
approved
in
2017.
In
the
last
review,
those
guidelines
were
reviewed
and
passed
along
to
members
of
the
AC
I'm,
pretty
sure
that
all
of
your
aware
of
those
guidelines
right.
A
All
right,
so
the
the
design
guidelines
are
both
for
the
architecture
and
landscape
is
what
we
use
to
evaluate
conformance
for
this
project.
So,
as
I
said,
each
of
the
plans
that
before
you
today,
three
plans,
one
two
and
three,
and
each
of
them
will
have
variations
a
B
and
C.
So
on
the
bot.
Now
you
have
variations
a
B
and
C,
and
then
you
have
the
floor
plans
for
each
variation
and
then,
of
course,
the
elevations,
the
drawings
that
shows
the
Heights
setbacks
and
whatnot.
A
The
landscape
that's
been
proposed
at
this
point,
is
just
for
the
typical
front
yard
landscape,
and
that
is
all
the
code
requires,
and
there
are
some
specific
guidelines
and
specific
selections
of
plantings
and
trees
from
the
approved
landscape
plan
and
in
reviewing
those
staff
can
have
concluded
that
those
landscape
plants
and
both
in
terms
of
plantings,
selections
are
consistent
and,
in
conformance
with
the
knurl
own
design.
Guideline.
A
So
here
is
an
exhibit
of
the
landscape,
the
streets
in
landscape
and
how
it
relates
to
utility,
because
if
you
recall
in
the
last
finite
development
plans
that
you
reviewed
for
another
builder,
placement
of
landscaping
relative
to
utilities
were
an
issue.
So
because,
at
the
last
review,
you
asked
that
applicant
to
provide
an
overall
landscape
showing
where
trees
will
be
placed
relative
to
where
utilities
are.
We
also
as
this
applicant
to
do
the
same,
and
here
is
a
plan.
A
A
B
Any
questions,
okay
before
we
have
the
applicant
give
us
our
presentation.
I
just
want
to
give
the
committee
kind
of
an
update
of
what
we
did
as
a
subcommittee,
two
of
us
from
AAC
and
two
from
the
Planning
Commission
have
had
three
sit-down
meetings
with
the
developer,
their
architect,
their
Landscape
Architect,
and
had
very
productive
hearings.
Where
meetings
where
we
went
through
a
lot
of
my
new
show
a
lot
of
detail.
B
Without
the
committee
there,
so
they've
responded
very
professionally
and
part
of
the
concept
of
doing
this
subcommittee
was
so
that
when
they
come
finally
to
our
committee
and
to
Planning
Commission
that
it's
pretty
much
in
an
acceptable
project.
So
let's
listen
to
the
applicant
and
see
what
they
have
to
say
and
then
we
can
do
some
more
questions
and
comments.
G
A
You
Sarah
so
the
in
our
code.
There
is
a
review
concept
called
planned
development
district,
so
every
planned
development
district
application
has
to
review
and
approval
process.
So
the
first
one.
The
first
process
is
the
preliminary
plan
development
district.
That
is
the
time
that
you
review
the
overall
concept,
cyclin
site
plan
proposal,
the
architecture,
the
type
of
architecture
you
review
the
mass
in
the
layout.
You
do
not
review
them
in
details
at
that
time
and
if
there
are
development
standards
that
will
be
proposed,
that
it
would
be
the
time
that
you
repeat
them.
A
You
also
review
the
conceptual
landscaping
at
that
point.
So
that
goes
that
comes
before
the
ASE.
When
there
is
a
recommendation
for
approval,
it
goes
to
the
Planning
Commission.
They
also
review
the
same
and
the
reviews
that
are
associated
with
that
proposal.
For
instance,
if
there
are
going
to
be
setback,
special
setback,
high
involved
or
lot
sizes
involved,
Planning
Commission,
we
will
approve
and
recommend
approval
to
the
City
Council,
so
the
City
Council's,
the
final
approval
approval
body
for
preliminary
plan
development
district.
Now
that
is
the
first
phase.
A
Second
phase
involves
final
plans
of
those
preliminary
architecture
and
design
that
you
saw
at
the
preliminary
stage
if
there
are
conditions
or
comments
that
you
want
to
see
on
definer
products.
That
is
the
time
that
those
are
expected
to
be
incorporated
into
the
plans
and
that's
what
you
seen
today.
So
what
you
see
in
today
is
a
final
product
of
a
preliminary
approval
that
was
done
in
2004
and
2017
when
this,
when
the
new
ownership
of
mirror
lawn
acquired
this
project.
A
So
at
that
time
there
are
comments
and
conditions
recommended
by
AAC
and
that's
part
of
what
you
seen
today.
So
your
rule
today
is
to
make
a
recommendation
of
approval
and
if
there
are
additional
condition
that
you
may
want
to
added
to
this,
that
will
go
to
the
Planning
Commission.
So
at
this
point
the
Planning
Commission
will
be
the
final
approval
body
of
the
final
development
plans.
So
that's
what
you
see
today
did
I
answer
your
question,
sir.
A
B
L
My
name
is
Patrick
McCabe
I'm,
with
Christopher
homes,
23
corporate
Plaza,
Drive
and
Beach
California
I
want
to
first
start
by
thanking
the
committee
for
a
project.
I
do
want
to
thank
each
member
who
participated
in
the
pre
meeting,
reviews
that
we
had
I
think
it
was
extremely
helpful,
although
from
developer
standpoint,
sometimes
a
little
frustrating
but
I
think
you,
chairman,
Jiang,
coy
was
was
true
when
you
look
at
really
the
first
version
that
we
came
in
with,
and
you
look
at
what
we
have
today.
L
We
honestly
have
gone
around
the
table
several
times
and
really
thank
the
process
and
realize
that
we
really
have
a
better,
a
better
product
that
we've
come
up
with
with
the
help
of
the
committee,
so
so
I
do
think
that
it
was
very
a
very
productive
process.
I
do
want
to
touch
on
a
couple
things
that
Edward
had
brought
up
one
our
project
being
you'd
mentioned
the
third
of
the
three
in
the
phase,
one
of
Marilyn.
You
have
basically
this
bottom
southern
portion
of
the
site.
That's
starting
out.
L
First
of
those
three
different
builders
between
Gallery
Woodbridge
and
ourselves,
we're
the
smallest
of
the
three
we're
in
a
square
footage
range
of
18,
1,800
to
2,200
square
feet
and
you'll,
see
the
floor.
Plans
have
crept
a
little
bit
and
that's
kind
of
typical
of
what
the
builders
do.
If
we
can
grab
a
little
more,
we
always
take
that,
but
the
what
the
point
that
I'm
making
in
terms
of
where
we
are,
is
that
our
price
point
is
also
the
lowest
out
of
the
three
so
being
in
production
housing.
L
You
know
communities
such
as
this
and
being
the
smallest
of
the
products,
we're
really
looking
at
a
price
point
of
somewhere
within
the
mid
six
is
two
high
sixes:
that's
really
dependent
on
where
the
builders
are
above
us,
but
with
that
in
mind
you
know
what
we're
trying
to
provide
is
provide
something
above
and
beyond
what
a
typical
buyer
would
be
able
to
attain
at
that
same
price
point.
So
so,
with
that
in
mind,
that's
that's
where
we're
at.
In
addition,
there
were
a
couple
items
that
did
we
get
out
of
here.
L
Oh
okay,
there
are
a
couple
items
that
came
up
that
Edward
asked
me
to
look
at
and
it
was
really
we
started
with
the
stuff
with
this
as
a
relate
to
plotting
and
making
sure
that
we
have
the
appropriate
units
plotted
or
the
number
of
units
plotted
a
number
of
elevations
plotted.
So
you
didn't
see
a
repetition
on
the
site
here
you
can
see
a
little
bit
with
the
plan.
Plotting
the
different
colors
of
Browns
or
tans
really
represent
the
different
plan
types
and
you
can
see
in
some
cases
where
we
have.
A
L
The
elevation
will
plot
and
it's
a
little
bit
easier
to
see
here.
You
can
really
see
the
differences
as
to
which
elevations
we're
on
the
site.
Just
so,
you
can
see,
along
with
the
plan
type
variation
and
what
the
elevation
variation
we
really
do
have
a
good
mix
in
so
our
street
scene,
as
you're
driving
through
the
site,
really
has
a
variation
among
plant
types
and
among
elevation
types
and
then
finally
among
the
color.
So
we
do
have
a
good
mix
there
as
a
really
specific
colors
for
each
plan.
L
L
L
It'll
change
from
a
dual
secondary
bedroom
configuration
to
a
secondary
master,
and
that's
really
something
for
the
potential
buyer
to
make
that
decision
as
to
whether
they
want
to
have
a
home,
that's
a
dual
master
or
have
a
have
a
home.
That's
a
three
bedroom
and
it's
one
is
just
giving
that
buyer
that
that
ability
to
pick.
But
the
other
thing
it
does.
Is
it
changes
the
massing
on
the
front
of
the
house.
L
Elevation
style
remains
relatively
the
same,
but
what
happens
is
that
the
plans
really
cuts
off
the
front
end
of
the
house
about
five
to
eight
feet
in
and
so
they
and
as
you're
looking
around
down
the
street,
see
when
people
pick
the
different
option.
It'll
be
a
variation
on
that
and
massing
as
well
as
you're
going
down.
L
So
we
really
tried
to
pay
attention-
and
this
was
a
big
component
of
the
design
guidelines
as
well,
really
tried
to
make
sure
that
we
didn't
have
a
monotony
and
they
called
it
the
monotony
code
in
the
design
guidelines.
So
you
get
that
variation
with
with
plan
type
elevation,
variation
and
colors,
and
then
even
the
massing
issue.
As
you
go
through,
so
those
I
think
I'm
open
to
any
questions.
I
do
have
the
architect
here
with
me
and
the
landscape
architect.
L
B
B
E
B
I'll
just
comment
that
there
were
a
lot
of
comments
that
we
made
that
weren't
requirements
it
was
just
and
in
if
they
were
to
act
on
one
it
would
kind
of
negate
the
need
to
take
up
the
other.
A
lot
of
what
I
appreciate
the
most
is.
There
was
a
lot
of
massing
where
the
roofs
were
really
heavy
above
the
garage
doors
and
some
of
the
massing
on
elements
of
patio
covers
and
things,
and
that
has
been
addressed
very
well
they've
added
in
a
lot
of
things
like
regulates
and
the
stucco.
B
So,
instead
of
just
a
big
wall,
it's
got
a
nice
little
pattern
to
it.
We've
tried
to
create
at
least
some
shadow
line
around
the
windows.
What
they
did.
They
had
clerestory
windows
that
weren't
necessarily
lined
up
with
each
other,
and
now
we've
got
a
good
element,
so
I
think
they
certainly
picked
up
on
the
spirit
of
what
we
were
looking
for.
G
G
C
C
A
C
C
L
Just
to
back
up
a
little
bit
on
your
question
about
the
interior
lots,
we
did
make
a
decision
internally,
which
I
actually
hadn't
made
ever
aware
of.
We
are
going
to
be
installing
pools
as
a
standard
feature
for
these
homeowners.
So
with
that,
that
means
the
hardscape
around
the
pools
will
also
be
addressed.
They'll
be
probably
a
little
either
hot.
L
Plate,
you
know
I,
guess
a
I,
don't
know
what
to
call
it,
but
just
concrete
where
you
can
put
pots
areas
of
plant
material
in
the
back
to
kind
of
address
the
interior.
These
are
also
not
zero
lot
line.
Lots,
there's,
there's
actually
a
fence
between
the
two,
and
so
there
won't
be
any
situations
where
you're
planting
up
against
another
house
ton.
B
May
I
take
your
question:
is
it
either
for
either
of
you?
Is
there
a
restriction
on
the
landscaping
that
faces
the
common
area?
I
know,
we've
talked
about
the
front
yards,
but
on
the
bandar
lots
that
backs
up
to
the
olive
orchard.
It
even
looks
like.
Are
you
landscaping
on
part
of
the
common
area,
so.
B
L
And
there's
a
little
there's
a
very
low
retaining
wall,
it's
actually
about
sixty
inches
out
of
the
ground
on
that
back
area.
To
be
honest,
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
address
that,
whether
it's
gonna
be
a
fence
whether
we
can
trim
it
out
and
give
people
a
little
bit
better
access,
because
there
will
be
a
view
fence
along
that
the
edge
between
the
dark,
green
and
the
white
is
right.
So.
B
B
C
Thank
you
for
your
response,
I
think
in
terms
of
the
landscape.
The
only
recommendations
I
would
have
is
because
of
the
conditions
out
there.
Some
of
the
plant
material-
that's
called
out
as
one
gallon
be
increased
to
a
five
gallon
size
just
either,
because
it's
slow,
growing
or
just
the
survivability
I
think
end
up
replacing
a
lot
of
material
at
one
gallon
and
then.
C
Secondly,
they
call
out
for
the
palm-trees
to
be
a
Washingtonian
robusta
and
I
would
recommend
that
be
changed
to
a
Washington,
Tony
Oliver
or
some
of
the
botanist
or
about
plant
biologist
disagree,
the
hybrid
type,
but
again
with
the
wind
conditions.
The
the
best
palm
in
those
windy
areas
is
the
water.
This
is
the
native
California
fan
palm
The,
Washingtonian
bulla
Burra
I
do.
L
F
C
The
the
the
Mexican
family,
Paul
MS,
is
the
skinnier
of
the
two,
so
it
grows
faster
and
taller
and
the
fronds
tend
to
it.
Just
doesn't
have
the
strength
and
the
structure
that
the
philippa
palm
has.
So
if
you
go
to
the
north,
you
know
end
of
the
city.
You'll
see
the
robust
does
are
all
kind
of
leaning
to
one
side
or
you
know
they
don't
survive,
they
survive,
but
they
don't
based.
A
J
C
E
C
C
J
B
B
B
Okay,
other
business
number
four
is
listed
as
election
of
officers.
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
we
put
that
off
until
Flynn
returns
to
our,
which
will
be
at
our
meeting
in
September.
I
will
say
to
the
committee
that
I
am
happy
to
continue
as
chairman,
but
if
anybody
would
like
to
do
it,
it's
kind
of
a
fun
position,
so
we
can
rotate
that
through
so
just
think
about
it,
and
let
us
know
what
the
next
meeting,
what
your
preferences
are.
Mr.
A
B
B
A
E
G
A
B
Sure
we
all
got
the
memo
from
Flynn
where
he
mentioned
that
at
one
of
the
upcoming
City
Council
meetings,
they're
gonna
have
a
discussion
about
ways
to
streamline
the
process.
I'm,
definitely
going
to
go
to
that
meeting.
Anybody
else
here
is
more
than
welcome
to,
but
if
you
can't
be
at
that
meeting
drop
me
an
email
or
just
call
me
or
let
me
know
what
your
thoughts
are,
so
we
can
give
a
a
good
response
to
the
council.
Yeah.
E
A
A
B
G
Have
a
comment
too
so
I
will
put
together
something
for
training
so
that
when
you
guys
were
back
after
being
dark
in
August,
you
said
yes,
sir,
so
I'll
try
to
do
some
training.
Maybe
myself
and
the
city
engineer
have
some
of
you
right
there,
along
with
planning
commission
members
to
talk
about
so
the
things
we
talked
about
earlier,
training
on
differences
between
setbacks,
right,
aways
and.