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A
B
A
All
of
those
all
those
absences
did
notify
us
in
advance
and
so
they're
all
fake,
correct
absences.
The
agenda
for
tonight's
meeting
was
emailed
to
all
of
you
and
posted
last
Thursday
evening
for
city
policy,
and
so
I'd
ask
for
a
motion
to
accept
the
agenda
or,
if
there's
a
adjustment,
you
may
offer
that
so
moved.
Okay,
we
got
a
motion
from
Commissioner
Santora
in
a
second
from
Commissioner
spray.
All
in
favor
say:
yes,
yes
opposed,
say
no
abstain
and
we
have.
We
have
our
agenda
and
I'll
just
say:
I
think
the
tonight.
A
Our
primary
focus
is
on
the
the
new
business
items,
particularly
the
budget
of
f1,
so
I'm
gonna
move
us
along
a
bit
so
that
we
can
get
there
and
and
have
the
chunk
of
time
that
half
hour
that
is
devoted
for
the
new
business
section.
So
we
can
spend
a
good
amount
of
time
there
jr.
you
collected
well
enough
to
make
your
report
welcome.
A
C
The
last
council
meeting
just
the
extension
of
the
current
terms
until
the
end
of
the
calendar
year
and
I
believe
that
impacts
three
of
our
current
commissioners.
If
they
choose,
if
they
have
applications
in,
they
are
being
extended
for
that
six
month.
Time
frame
and,
of
course,
with
a
lot
of
the
changes
going
on
in
the
city,
possibly
with
redistricting
I,
think
the
council
is
just
very
interested
in
doing
a
broader
outreach
campaign
to
fill
Commission
seats.
Also.
A
So
yeah
so
that
it
does
apply,
commissioner
surprise
would
have
been
and
Commissioner
McCann
are
available
to
reapply.
My
term
was
ending,
but
I
haven't
exceeded
seven
years,
and
so
it's
also
possible
from
for
me
to
extend
until
the
end
of
the
year
as
well.
So
that
was
that
was
that
action,
okay
and
I
think
the
other
things
will
come
up
in
committee
reports.
Oh
I
guess
I
did
want
to
ask:
where
are
we
with
our
leaf
blower
brochure
I'm.
C
A
And
then,
as
soon
as
we
get,
the
photography
done,
we'll
want
to
figure
out
a
PR
plan
of
how
we
are
distributing
it
businesses
or
to
homeowners,
so
so,
we'll
we'll
follow
up
with
with
staff
on
that.
Okay.
Thank
you
any
any
questions,
commissioners
of
staff.
At
this
point-
okay,
Commission
student
liaison
reports,
as
we
mentioned,
Dara
Shay,
is
absent
tonight,
this
being
the
last
meeting
of
the
fiscal
year.
A
In
effect,
her
appointment
as
a
student
representative
concludes
I
did
email
her
on
behalf
of
the
Commission
and
thanked
her
for
her
participation
and
service
and
invited
her
to
if
she
was
aware
of
other
students
that
might
be
interested
to
let
the
Commission
know,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
publicly.
Thank
you
to
Dara
che
for
for
being
our
student
representative
this
term
all
right.
We
are
at
public
comments
at
each
meeting
of
the
sustainability
Commission.
We
reserve
time
for
persons
to
speak
to
the
Commission
on
topics
that
are
related
to
our
area
of
responsibility.
A
All
right,
this
gentleman
has
asked
I'll
read
what
he's
submitted
I
requested.
My
three-minute
comment
be
read
aloud
by
one
of
the
members
I'm
currently
by
choice,
going
without
speaking.
If
there's
except
a
while
sign
in
here-
and
this
is
my
public
comment-
he
did
identify
himself
as
we
asked
good
afternoon.
I
am
a
sixty
year,
a
68
year
old
citizen,
retired
living
here
in
the
city,
uptown
area
since
2005
I'm,
single
and
sustained
my
small
studio
apartment
existence
on
a
fixed
social
security
retirement
income
of
around
900
a
month.
A
Basic
needs
met
and
fairly
comfortable
and
secure.
If
my
presumption
of
what
this
meeting
and
sustainable
is
all
about,
I
simply
wish
to
share
one
idea:
being
a
large
quantity
paper
user,
virtually
all
my
life
and,
coincidentally
or
otherwise,
being
born
in
the
year
1950
the
same
year,
exactly
Xerox
corporation
introduced
electrical
copy
machines,
I
have
discovered
using
a
standard,
photocopier
and
regular
eight-and-a-half
by
11
copy
paper.
The
user
can,
quite
simply
after
making
a
copy
reload
the
page
again
into
the
new
paper
tray
and
print
a
second
same
or
different
copy.
A
On
the
other
side,
as
you
might
guess,
using
this
method,
paper
costs
and
waste
can
be
reduced
by
50%.
I
would
hereby
today
like
to
encourage
anyone
who
uses
copy
machines
to
spend
a
little
time,
exploring
the
feasibility
of
this
print
on
the
other
side,
again
process
and
wherever
practical
print
copy
and
print
on
both
sides.
My
thanks
to
this
commission
for
the
opportunity
to
share
Aaron
Rosenberg
citizen
Thank
You
mr.
Rosenberg.
Thank
you.
E
Good
afternoon,
Commission,
friends
and
neighbors,
thanks
for
giving
me
this
opportunity
to
speak
to
you,
I
want
to
talk
about
two
topics:
one
your
name
again:
Oh
Paul,
Henrickson,
Palm,
Springs
resident,
seeing
this
wonderful
bike
sitting
over
here
as
my
husband
and
I
travel
around
the
country
and
we
just
finished
a
six
or
seven
thousand
mile
driving
tour.
We
visit
so
many
cities
and
this
is
becoming
more
common
and
it's
a
wonderful
resource
to
have
these
bicycles.
But
there's
a
nuisances
developing
in
all
the
major
cities
were
visiting.
E
The
bikes
are
being
left
everywhere,
including
at
street
corners
in
the
way
of
people
getting
across
crosswalks
they're,
laying
on
the
ground
there
in
the
public,
planters
and
stuff
like
that.
So
when
looking
at
this
project,
geo-locating
is
an
important
topic
related
to
it,
and
if
tight
geo-locating
and
specific
sites
can
be
mandated
for
the
return
of
the
vehicles,
maybe
we
can
avoid
having
that
problem
in
our
city
before
it
gets
started.
So
that's
a
consideration.
E
A
A
F
F
It's
lit
up,
I'm,
always
looking
for
a
stage
and
open
mic,
so
this
is
perfect
and
perfect
lead-in,
so
that
was
that
was
a
great
comment
from
from
a
citizen
for
for
coming
into
this
presentation.
So
I've
got
this
also
here,
but
if
you
yeah,
you
could
just
do
on
the
presenter
or
just
the
slide,
show
and
I
know
everyone's
dying
to
get
to
the
budget
portion
of
this
meeting,
and
nobody
wants
to
dwell
on
the
fun
stuff
of
bicycling.
F
So
I
will
move
pretty
quickly
through
here,
because
I
would
love
to
spend
the
precious
time
that
we
have
just
with
questions
that
you
might
have
with
observations
about
bicycle
and
culture
and
specifically
bike
share
opportunities.
But
gotcha
is
the
name
of
the
company,
the
gotcha
group.
We
do
mobility
work
in
media.
F
We
say
we
do
a
lot
of
advertising
on
campuses,
but
we
we
all
do
a
lot
of
bike
share
and
electric
vehicle
ride
share
so
ma
I'm
here,
because
my
background
is
urban
planning
and
transportation
planning
for
20
years,
I've
been
doing
that
so
I
just
so
happened
to
now
be
in
this
business,
where
I'm
directly
getting
people
on
the
bicycles
after
spending
most
of
my
career,
designing
routes-
and
you
know
doing
the
planning
and
design
of
a
bicycling
infrastructure.
So
if
you
you
want
to
do
just
that
slide
outside
you
want
to
go
to.
F
Was
it
on
times
yeah
there
you
go.
If
you
just
do,
if
you
do
from
current
slide,
and
there
shouldn't
be
times
in
there
yeah
then
I'll
just
tell
you
so
just
the
quick
snapshot
of
the
mobility
we
do
bike
share
and
we
do
the
low-speed
electric
vehicles.
I
won't
dwell
on
the
low-speed
electric
vehicles,
although
it's
a
hot
climate.
This
is
the
kind
of
place
that
especially
a
progressive
area
like
Palm
Springs
that
maybe
something
at
a
future
date.
You'd
want
to
chat
about.
F
F
We
can
talk
about
how
to
keep
tabs
on
it,
but
so
you
can
get
an
idea.
Everybody
knows
what
a
bicycle
is,
but
just
what's
what's
different:
how
does
a
bike
share
how
this
particular
bike
share
feels,
but
one
of
the
things
I
wanted
to
call
attention
to
with
this
picture
is
just.
It
looks
like
the
particular
area
that
it
is:
it's
not
Andy's
bike
and
my
color
scheme
everywhere.
It
goes,
but
if
you
want
to
do
the
next
slide
ban
thinking
ahead
to
Palm
Springs
I
mean
this
is
just
one
option.
F
F
F
Bicycling
is
transportation
and
then
because
of
that
like,
yes,
it's
also
recreation,
but
primarily
the
fundamental
modes
of
transport
are
walking
and
riding
bikes
because
of
that
public
bikes,
a
bike
share
system,
if
you
think
of
it
as
kind
of
a
very
efficient
form
of
public
transportation,
they
should
live
in
safe
and
predictable
areas.
We
think
you
know
said
even
more
simply:
bike
should
lock
to
bike
racks,
so
we
love
systems
that
have
bikes
in
predictable
places
or
you
you
can
see
the
you
bar
that's
attached.
F
It's
designed
to
go
into
any
kind
of
normal
bike
rack,
so
there's
all
sorts
of
flexibilities
about
where
hubs
go
and
that's
you
know,
that's
the
urban
planning
front
of
this,
but,
as
you
heard
from
the
gentleman
earlier,
we
want
to
keep
sidewalks
clear
for
people
walking.
We
want
to
keep
bikes
into
the
hubs
where
they
belong,
so
our
strengths,
as
the
company
are
in
those
kinds
of
details,
so
we're
people
that
do
transportation
planning
we
do
operations,
we
do
marketing
we're
just
we
love
all
things
bicycling.
F
So
we
want
these
systems
to
be
safe,
predictable
and
enjoyable.
We
don't
want
ever
for
bicycling
to
be
a
nuisance
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next.
This
is
just
a
quick
snapshot
of
what
these
look
like
in
the
real
world.
So
if
you
have
just
a
normal
you
kind
of
rack
system,
this
is
how
they
lock
custom
racks
that
you
guys
have
same
kind
of
thing.
F
You
just
find
the
depute
that
the
gap
in
the
in
the
curved
area-
and
it
works
like
a
charm,
but
the
the
point
of
that
picture
is
just
again.
We
think
that
bike
share
hubs
should
be
in
in
predictable
places
in
lock
to
things
and
then,
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide,
Dan
this
one.
This
is
all
of
this-
will
look
a
lot
better
without
formatting
glitches
I'm
going
to
send
afterwards,
you
guys
a
copy,
so
you
can
have
on
your
own
screen
at
your
own
pace.
F
Look
through
the
details
of
this
I
just
want
to
call
attention
to
two
things
is
custom
branding
it's.
This
is
public
transportation.
Essentially,
so
we
think
it
should
reflect
your
identity,
your
culture,
which
you
know
thinking
back
to
the
branding
of
it,
have
it
look
like
Palm
Springs?
Have
it
look
like
this
area
of
this
region
and
then
the
second
thing
I
want
to
draw
attention
to
quality
and
again.
Another
reason
why
it's
it's
sort
of
self-serving
for
me
to
leave
a
bike
with
you
guys,
because
you're
gonna
love
the
bike.
F
It's
a
I
mean
you're
gonna,
know
riding
it.
It
doesn't
feel
like
a
tank
and
yet
it's
it's
a
10-year
frame.
It's
super
super
durable
is
fantastic
I,
don't
call
myself
a
cyclist
I,
just
I'm,
just
a
person
that
likes
riding
bikes,
so
I
can't
geek
out
on
the
little
details
of
the
gears,
but
it's
it's
pretty
amazing.
So
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
next
slide
again,
some
of
these
are
a
lot
of
details.
I
don't
want
to.
We.
F
If
you
have
questions
about
these
you'll
see
all
of
this
stuff
in
your
inboxes,
but
just
details
about
the
bike
itself.
Wait
why
we
choose
things
that
we
do
and
they're
adjustable
seats
that
can't
be
stolen
things
like
that
and
then
one
thing
while
I'm
not
while
you're
looking
at
it-
and
you
see
this
over
here-
that
box
in
the
back
is
the
brains
of
the
bike,
and
that
will
come
back
to
in
a
moment
why
that's
important
to
have
the
brains
in
the
bicycle
itself,
but
Dan.
F
F
If
you
want
to
go
the
next
slide,
I
don't
want
to
do
actually,
let's
go
past
that
so
we
can
get
to
a
conversation
point.
If
you
go
a
couple
more
there's
a
heat
map,
yeah
right
there,
some
of
the
other.
The
details
that
you
didn't
see
on
the
previous
slides
were
just
very
specific
things
that
that
are
ways
of
saying
we
take
care
of
all
of
the
details.
So
you
guys
don't
have
to
worry
about
anything
related
to
operations.
F
You
don't
have
to
hire
any
people,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
checking
air
pressure
or
whether
there
are
enough
bikes
at
a
certain
hub.
We
take
care
of
everything
we
take
care
of
liability.
You
name
it
this
one,
this
magic
on
the
screen
that
planners
love
is
made
possible
by
the
brains
being
in
the
bike.
So
in
the
first
generation
of
bike
shares
like
city
bike
in
New,
York,
Capital
Bikeshare
in
DC,
near
where
I
grew
up
Chicago
those
systems
have
the
big
kiosks
in
the
ground.
The
payment
system
is
at
the
kiosk.
F
You
have
to
go
to
the
thing,
have
your
transaction
at
the
thing
and
then
you
go
about
your
business.
The
downside
is
all
the
data
is
at
those
hubs
at
the
stations,
so
planners
can
look
at
the
data
and
see
which
stations
were
busy
where
bikes
are
or
where
they're
missing.
What
we're
able
to
do
is
see
everything
with
the
bikes
at
all
times.
So
that's
fantastic
for
planners,
because
we
know,
for
example,
you
know
we
think.
Well,
that's
we've
got
this
bike
route
on
Broad
Street.
F
F
That
can
form
the
bike
ped
plan
that
can
help
implement
existing
work
in
an
even
better
way,
because
we
know
everything
about
where
the
bikes
are
going,
where
how
they're
being
used
all
that
sort
of
thing
and
then
another
just
tidbit
on
the
on
the
data
of
the
bikes,
we
know
I
mean
we
know
exactly
where
there
are
in
case.
If
someone
were
to
try
to
steal
one,
we
haven't
actually
had
an
issue
with
theft,
yet
and
I.
F
Think
in
part
like
what
you
heard
earlier
about
in
some
of
the
cities
that
just
have
kind
of
bike
glitter
all
over
the
place,
it's
a
lot
easier
to
take
a
piece
of
cheap
equipment
and
throw
it
in
a
truck
and
make
off
with
it.
We
have
something
built
in
that
we
haven't
had
to
use
yet
where,
if
it
gets
to
30
miles
an
hour,
we
get
pinged
right
away.
Hey
this
bike
is
probably
not
being
ridden
by
a
person
at
30
miles
an
hour.
F
F
So
with
that
a
you
could
go
the
next
slide
and
then,
or
even
the
the
very
last
ones,
got
my
contact
information,
but
for
the
time
that
we
do
have
before
we
get
or
before
you
guys
get
deep
into
budget
planning
if
you've
got
either
big
picture
or
very
detailed
questions,
I'd
love
to
to
answer
them
or
to
promise
you
that
I'll
get
back
with
with
more
information
for
you.
Yes,.
F
Good
question
this-
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
that
both
it
sets
us
apart
and
drew
me
in
to
the
Gotcha
group.
We
find
like-minded
people
organizations.
Sometimes
local
governments
say
look,
we've
got
this
budget
set
aside.
We
want
to
implement
a
bike
share
program.
That's
how
we
do
it
when
we're
working
in
other
places
that
we
know
they
don't
have
budget
line
items
for
that.
So
what
we
do
is
because
we
also
work
in
media.
We
work
with
advertisers
all
the
time
you
solve
the
Ben
and
Jerry's
bicycles.
F
We
launched
that
system
in
Burlington,
where
they're,
headquartered
and
Ben
and
Jerry's
themselves,
and
then
a
media
firm,
7th
gen.
Those
two
that
bicycling
as
part
of
their
core
sustainability
is
a
big
big
thing
for
them,
and
so
Bike
Share
is
a
natural
outpouring
of
that.
So
they
saw
that
as
investment
opportunities.
So
that's
for
their
for
that
system.
It's
a
funded
system
where
they
are
our
contract
partners,
not
the
City
of
Burlington,
and
so
the
bike
share
program
can
be
financially
sustainable.
F
It's
not
like
we're
delivering
bikes
to
them,
or
to
you
and
saying
you
know,
thoughts
and
prayers.
Hope
it
works
out
for
you,
I
hope
you
get
enough
riders.
We
know
this
is
a
viable
system
and
then
we
can
set
the
individual
rider
fees.
However,
you
would
like
to
set
them
so
sometimes
on
college
campuses.
Colleges
want
to
provide
a
system
completely
free
for
users,
local
governments-
usually
it's
not.
Usually
you
want
some
kind
of
fee
to
bring
in
some
revenue.
G
My
other
question
was
here:
we
have
a
number
of
hotels
and
other
organizations
that
are
already
offering
bikes
to
folks,
and
you
know
as
a
sustainability
Commission.
We
want
to
generally
support
alternative
transportation,
but
obviously
you
know
the
more
bikes,
the
more
wings
we
can
get.
People
biking
the
better.
So
I
was
wondering
if
you
had
thoughts
about
how
your
your
business
model
fits
into
these.
You
know
already
existing
ways.
People
are
accessing
bikes
here
in
town,
I
have.
F
No
shortage
of
thoughts
on
that,
but
I
will
limit
them.
It's
it's
a
it's
a
good
point
and
although
I
am
personally
biased
to
wanting
gotcha
bikes
to
be
successful,
it's
it's
part
of
a
network
of
or
not
just
a
network
of
streets,
but
it's
part
of
a
system
of
a
lot
of
different
modes
and
then
even
within
modes.
Different
types.
So
we
know
from
years
of
studying
bike
share
that
people
who
use
bike
share
regularly
also
buy
their
own
bikes.
So
bike
shops
are
still
strong
but
for
different
reasons,
they're,
not
strong.
F
In
the
same
way,
they
were
20
years
ago,
they're
selling
different
services
and
different
products,
but
it's
completely
compatible
with
hotels,
having
you
know,
five
bikes
that
they
just
give
to
people
while
they're
staying
or
for
a
golf
community
to
give.
You
know,
come
stay
here
and
you
can
ride
bikes,
so
it's
completely
I
believe
compatible
with
all
those
things
it's
compatible
with.
You
know:
college
kids,
coming
back
home
and
and
they've
got
a
skateboard
they'll
also
be
using
a
skateboard.
So
yeah,
it's
just
another
option.
F
It's
it's
having
the
some
sometimes
I'll,
compare
it
to.
In
the
transit
world,
fixed
route
versus
paratransit,
so
bike
share
system
is
more
like
fixed
route.
Where
you
know,
you've
got
these
predictable
hubs.
There
will
always
be
bikes
at
these
places.
They'll
be
safe
and
convenient
and
in
working
order,
and
then
they'll
also
be
people
riding
their
own
bikes.
G
F
Data
all
the
data
is
your
data
yeah,
and
that's
that's
definitely
something
that
it
sets
us
apart
from
others.
We
we,
when
we
set
up
the
dashboard.
Some
people
love
data
more
than
others.
It
gives
me
hives
actually
so
I,
let
co-workers
deal
with
it,
but
you
guys
get
set
up
with
an
account,
so
you
can
access
at
any
point
time.
You
can
pull
up
the
dashboard
on
your
computer
and
see
o
bike.
24
is
over
here
and
you
know.
Whatever
comments
are
you
want?
You
can
pull
it.
F
You
can
generate
those
heat
maps
on
your
own
any
kind
of
map,
and
then
we
also
have
someone
that
guides
the.
If
it's
you
and
or
it's
it's
a
collecting
notes.
Five
people
on
city
staff,
whoever
it
is
that
needs
some
kind
of
training.
We
take
care
of
that.
So
all
of
the
package
of
stuff
that
we
do
the
urban
planning
work,
the
helping
sort
out
where
hubs
should
should
go
pricing
structures,
the
data
all
of
that
stuff,
we're
we're,
including
you
guys,
as
if
we're
working
for
this.
A
F
There
are
a
couple
that,
like
Toledo
Ohio
was
said:
we
really
want
our
own
bikes,
we
want
to
buy
bikes,
and
so
we
worked
out
a
contract
where
they're
buying
equipment,
but
the
vast
majority
of
people
would
prefer
to
just
kind
of
like
movies
as
a
service.
When
you
go
home
and
you
put
on
Netflix
it's
the
same
sort
of
thing
where
you
know
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
tire
pressure,
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
its
if,
for
some
reason
a
frame
was
bent,
you
don't
have
to
worry
about
any
of
that.
F
We
take
care
of
all
of
that,
because
it's
that
leasing
model.
If
if
something
goes
awry
with
a
bike,
that's
that's
on
us.
That's
never
on
you!
So
yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
leasing
model
and
then
that
funding
of
it
is
it
wasn't
to
buy
the
bikes.
It's
more.
It's
the
branding
like
here
the
this
one.
That's
in
Charleston
holy
smokes.
It's
the
holy
city.
The
title
partner
is
MUSC,
which
is
a
big
health
university
down
there,
so
they're
the
ones
providing
the
funding
for
the
system,
but
it's
still,
they
don't
own
the
bikes
themselves.
H
What
would
is
the
sample
cost
me
to
a
city
and
then
let
me
go
forward
to
say,
then
what
the
cost
is
is
paying
you
to
provide
the
service
correct
and
that's
how
you
get
paid
and
then
you
know
the
users
pay
the
fee
and
the
money
goes
in.
Does
that
you
know
what
does
that
net?
Do
Cities
end
up
making
money
from
this
or
just
paying
off
their
initial
investment?
Or
do
you
know,
does
it
fund
you
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
what
that
right.
F
Says
yes,
so
startup
cost
some
people
would
say
there
are
zero,
startup
cost,
others
would
say,
and
what
some
within
the
companies
others
would
say.
Well,
it
depends
on
how
you
look
at
it
in
general,
it's
not
a
startup
cost
in
the
sense
that
you
don't
have
to
buy
infrastructure.
Some
people
want
to
buy
signage
panels
and
wayfinding
panels,
and
things
like
that,
which
is
an
upfront
cost,
but
in
general,
since
we
do
a
subscription
model
with
equipment
that
we
own,
but
you
you
know
you
just
have
access
to
it.
F
What
we
do
just
as
a
flat
fee
is
the
I
describe
it
as
the
value
of
the
bike,
rather
than
a
cost
to
you,
because
it
might
not
be
the
city
that
pays
for
this,
but
the
value
of
the
bike
of
the
whole
thing
is
$110
per
bike
per
month.
Generally
there
there
are
exceptions,
but
there
are
it's,
because
there
are
some
places
that
are
just
unique
and
how
they
want
to
do
a
program.
But
that's
a
general,
that's
a
good
starting
point
for
it.
That's
the
value
of
everything.
F
So
that's
all
of
the
turnkey
service
ridership
feeds,
so
that
allows
us
to
be
we're
a
for-profit
company,
so
that
allows
us
to
pay
the
bills
to
manufacture
more
bikes,
to
operate
everything
we
hire
people.
We
don't
have
to
come
back
to
you
and
say
you
know
what
we
decided
to
move
this
over
here
and
we
ran
into
this
unexpected
cost.
So
now
we've
got
a
up
the
price,
it's
just
a
flat.
This
is
the
rate
per
bike
per
month,
and
so
then
we
just
figure
out
what
should
we
do
in
terms
of
bikes
like?
F
F
You
asked
to
follow
up.
Oh
the
fees
that
is
completely
flexible
there.
We
do
some
revenue
sharing
in
some
locations
right
now,
I'm
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
have
an
exact
number
for
how
many
of
our
of
all
of
our
systems?
How
many
do
a
revenue
sharing
model,
but
because
it's
not
because
local
governments
aren't
buying
stuff
and
then
they're
not
trying
to
generate
money
to
pay
it
back?
Does
that
make
sense?
It's
more
like
this
value
of
110
per
bike
per
month,
so
for
this
service,
so
who's
paying
for
it?
F
Is
it
the
local
government
or
is
it
title
partners
in
Charleston's
case
it's
and
USC
health
center?
If,
if
you
guys
wanted
to
do
a
system
where
there
was
revenue
sharing,
then
we
would
certainly
work
with
you
to
figure
out
a
revenue
sharing
model
for
ridership
fees
like
if
you,
if
you
wanted
to
say
we
want
the.
A
F
All
it
all
depends
in
some
places
it
does,
but
in
it
okay.
The
reason
why
it's
not
an
easy,
yes
or
no
is
that
each
the
universities,
for
example,
don't
have
almost
always
don't
have
a
ridership
fee,
because
if
you're
a
student
or
if
you
have
or
your
professor
you
work
there,
if
you
have
a
dot
edu
email
address
at
that
school
you're,
you
just
have
access
to
the
system.
F
So
it's
a
flexible
thing
if
you
wanted
to
have
so,
let's
just
say,
I,
don't
think
this
would
be
the
case
in
Palm
Springs
but,
let's
just
say
the
Palm
Springs
City
said
you
know
what
we
want
to
have
this
to
be
a
totally
free
system.
If
you
have
certain
email
addresses
throughout
the
city,
you
have
just
free
access,
then
there
wouldn't
be
a
revenue
sharing.
It
would
just
be
that
value
of
one
ten
per
bike
per
month,
and
then
we
have
to
figure
out
where
does
that
come
from?
F
Is
that
the
city
of
Palm
Springs?
That's
paying
for
that?
Or
is
it
a
combination
of
the
city
and
other
entities?
Is
it
a
completely
separate
kind
of
private
funders
again
like
Charleston
or
you
know,
Ben
and
Jerry's?
Is
it
that
sort
of
thing
where
we
know
we
have
these
local
advocates?
That
would
absolutely
want
to
be
make
this
possibility.
E
E
F
F
There
you
go
so
that's
a
hub,
that's
where
you
would
have
you
know,
maybe
it's
ten
bicycles
together
and
then
a
thousand
feet
away
or
1500
feet
away,
but
there's
another
one
of
these
hubs
that
might
have
eight
bicycles
at
it.
So
throughout
the
system
you
have
these
this
hub
or
a
station.
However,
you
want
to
describe
it
throughout
the
city
throughout
the
downtown,
so
we
would
help
you
we
would
mean
generally,
the
the
planning
staff
would
be
involved
in
this
sort
of
thing,
but
figure
out
where
the
best
places
are
to
site
those
bikes.
F
We
want
them
in
visit
highly
visible
places.
We
want
them
near
places
that
I
made
both
residential
and
retail,
all
the
places
that
people
are
coming
and
going,
knowing
that
this
kind
of
bicycling
is
best
for
short
term
or
short
trips,
so
less
than
a
couple
of
miles.
So
we
look
at
the
map
that
I
mean
there's
some
some
very
obvious
places
in
Palm
Springs,
where
you
would
say
these
corridors
are
hotspots.
These
are
attractions
for
people.
F
F
F
That's
not
always
the
case.
That's
not
a
revenue
generator
for
us.
That's
just
something
like
we.
We
are
the
pass-through
for
that
for
the
people
that
do
want
custom
racks,
but
generally
speaking,
it's
a
normal
kind
of
rack
and
use,
and
these
are
throughout
the
city.
And
then
we
one
of
the
things
in
terms
of
operations
that
we
do
is
make
sure
each
of
these
hubs
has
enough
bicycles,
so
we're
tracking
we're
tracking
the
bikes
through
through
the
dashboard
we
get
pinged
when
a
certain
number
or
a
way
for
a
hub.
F
So
we
know
like
she's,
got
bikes
when
she
goes
here.
We
know
that
people
aren't
gonna,
get
off
of
a
bus,
stop,
for
example,
or
get
out
arrive
at
the
airport,
and
they've
only
got
a
light
backpack,
so
they're
fine
riding
a
bike.
We
know
that
there's
gonna
be
bikes
waiting
for
them,
because
if
it
gets
empty,
we
rebalance
we
move
bikes
from
one
place
to
another.
Okay,.
E
F
Does
one
thing:
that's
consistent
throughout
cities
throughout
the
country
and
Canton
campuses?
Is
we
love
working
with
local
bike
shops
because
for
a
couple
reasons,
one
they're,
a
natural
ally
and
there's
some
there's
a
tendency?
If
you
don't,
if
you
don't
engage
with
them
in
the
beginning
as
an
ally,
then
they
may
feel
like
they're
being
pushed
out
because
who's
this
competitor
coming
into
town.
That
has
this
different
thing.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
here
together,
because
this
is
gonna
get
more
people
riding
bicycles
and
another
great
thing
about
bike
shops.
F
Is
they
often
have
employees
that
are
working
part
time
with
the
bike
bike
shop,
not
full-time,
and
so
that
allows
us
to
contract
with
them
to
help
us
with
the
rebalancing
to
help
with
maintenance
and
repairs.
So
in
every
place
that
we're
pulling
bikes.
We've
got
local
folks
that
are
already
there
and
know
how
to
work
with
bikes
now
working
on
the
bike
share
program,
and
if
they
don't
already
know
how,
then
we
we
train
them,
but.
F
Haven't
talked
to
them
yet
I,
but
I
do
know
that
there
would
absolutely
be
benefit
and
in
working
with
them
on
or
even
if
it's
just
the
planning
of
where
sites
would
go
and
how
we
can
help
implement
long-range
transportation
plan,
for
example,
yeah.
In
fact,
there
are
some
great
similarities
between
Palm
Springs
and
Coachella,
and
some
of
the
things
that,
just
as
a
region,
both
both
culturally
visually
from
the
marketing
perspective
than
just
the
aesthetics
of
potential
bike
designs,
but
then
even
the
maintenance
on
operations.
F
There
are
definitely
reasons
to
talk
with
them
about
how
this
could
be.
Even
if
you're,
not
you
know,
practically
speaking,
you
wouldn't
ride
long
long
distances.
A
bike
share
from
one
city,
many
miles
away
to
another.
You
wouldn't
do
that,
but
it
there
are
certain
advantages
of
having
the
same
system
in
a
region
you
know
from
from
closely
spaced
cities.
So
thanks.
A
F
F
Send
you
details
and
I'll
make
them,
especially
some
of
the
questions
that
I
know.
I
didn't
fully
address,
but
we
can
all
wait.
We
always
talk
more,
but
hopefully
the
the
follow-up
information.
Those
details
will
stir
up
more
questions
because
yeah
I
guess
I
could
keep
talking
about
this
stuff
a
bit
guys.
So
thanks
so
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
A
E
A
J
Evening
I
have
passed
around
on
either
side
a
C
and
D
brochure
I've
gone
through
and
updated
that
with
no
new,
updated
information,
phone
numbers,
who's
still
in
business.
Who
is
it
in
preparation
for
when
our
construction
and
demolition
debris
plant
our
ordinance
passes?
So
we'll
have
good
information,
accurate
information
to
hand
out
to
the
contractors,
and
we
make
this
available
to
planning
and
and
the
departments.
J
The
other
thing
I
have
is
that
our
annual
report
has
opened
on
June
15th
and
it's
due
by
one
August
for
those
that
don't
know
a
B
939,
which
is
the
overarching
legislature
that
covers
a
recycling,
requires
at
every
reporting
entity,
city
and
county,
a
simit
and
annual
report
describing
all
the
programs
that
they
participate
in
their
progress,
tun
ages
and
things
like
that.
It's
pretty
it's
pretty
involved
report,
but
that's
good
on
an
annual
basis.
J
The
last
thing
I
have
is
the
J,
Daniel
and
I,
as
well
as
Chris
Cunningham
participated
in
a
conference
call
with
Andrew
Smith
from
the
state,
and
basically
that
was
a
follow
up
to
how
we're
doing
there's
recent
legislation
that
allows
the
state
to
ask
for
much
more
information
from
the
entity.
So
usually
that
involves
Chris
Cunningham
reporting,
whatever
the
state
wants
to
to
know
more
about,
and
the
reason
for
that
is,
the
state
is
trying
to
refine
and
tailor
their
programs
more
accurately.
J
So
with
more
information,
they
hope
that
they
can
boil
this
down
to
more
deficient
programs.
Also,
the
one
thing
that
Andrew
is
very
good
about
is:
he
gives
the
city
heads-up
about
things
that
are
coming
down
the
pike
and
one
of
the
things
that
is
coming
down
the
pike
in
in
about
three
or
four
years.
Five
years.
I
think
he
said,
is
there's
gonna,
be
a
requirement
for
20
percent
diversion
of
edible
food.
J
So
that
means
that
restaurants
and
and
grocery
stores-
and
things
like
that
are
gonna-
be
required
to
make
sure
that
food
banks
and
find
and
organizations
like
that
have
access
to
at
least
20
percent
of
the
food.
But
that's
like
I
said
that's
down
the
road.
What
is
appreciative
that
he
allows
us
to
start
planning
now
overall,
in
my
opinion,
he
seemed
to
be
pretty
happy
with
the
progress
we
were
making
where
we're
in
pretty
good
shape
and
I.
J
K
J
Have
no
specific
knowledge
of
that,
but
what
I
will
tell
you
is
that
both
Burrtec
and
Palm
Springs
disposal
takes
their
recycled
material
to
what's
called
a
MuRF
of
material
recovery
facility.
There's
two
of
them
there's
one
in
Fontana
and
there's
one
in
Escondido
and
there
they
have
picking
lines
and
they
have
a
lot
of
mechanisms
that
they'll
have
little
errors.
That
will
shoot
off
like
the
plastic
bottles,
and
so
they
do
a
pretty
good
job.
J
K
J
K
I
would
suspect
they
have
no
reason
not
to
like
I
think
what
was
raised
in
these
articles
and
in
the
press
and
by
the
woman
who
made
the
public
comments
is
that
there
may
be
limited
places
where
that
recycling
can
go
now
and
that
might
be
diminishing
and
in
terms
of
our
obligations
under
the
law.
We're
probably
fine
there,
but
in
terms
of
our
commitment
to
recycling
and
sustainability,
I
think
we're
obligated
to
know
what's
happening
with
the
waste
beyond
the
processing
of
it.
K
A
I'll
just
kind
of
team-
maybe
you
missed
the
meeting
when
Chris
Cunningham
was
here
last
in
the
last
couple
of
months.
Did
you
hear
his
presentation
because
he
implied
that
in
fact
materials
are
stacking
up
in
bales
at
centers,
because
there
isn't
a
market
now
I,
don't
want
to
speak
for
him
or
generalize,
but
that
was
he
said
that
he
implied.
That
was
the
case
and.
K
D
Progress
being
made
now
in
making
the
state
aware
of
the
problem
and
but
it,
but
it
may
take
years
to
develop,
alternate
markets
for
this
material,
but
I
think
because
we're
required
to
recycle
a
certain
amount
that
that
could
be
a
problem
if
we
can't
and
the
state
is
becoming
aware,
according
to
what
Chris
has
been
reporting
to
us
of
this
problem
and
looking
at
alternatives.
If.
J
You're
asking
are
we
gonna
lessen
our
efforts
or
back
off
in
any
way?
No,
because
once
it
gets
to
the
MuRF,
then
that
has
unfortunately
that's
up
to
the
up
to
the
waste
hauler
to
deal
with
that.
But
as
far
as
I
know,
our
materials
I
I
could
I
can't
imagine
that
they
would
go
anywhere
other
to
the
recycling
purposes.
A
J
E
D
J
I
actually
I
contacted
or
attempted
to
contact
her
to
two
times
and
I
got
no
response,
so
the
end
of
the
school
year,
so
I'm
thinking
what
we're
gonna
do
is.
There's
there's
been
some
discussions
about
going
out
and
revisiting
the
businesses
that
are
affected
by
3:41,
because
we
haven't
done
that
and
that
came
about
by
the
discussion
that
we
had
for
Andrew,
Smith
and
I.
Think
it's
always
good
to
let
the
state
know
that
we're
making
a
good-faith
effort.
J
A
A
This
okay,
all
right,
we
had
item
two
is
staff
report
on
rates
for
city-owned
DV
charging
stations.
We
had
asked
that
the
last
meeting
that
sometime,
perhaps
this
month
or
next
month,
we
we
start
the
conversation
on
what
those
rates
might
be.
You
two
wanted
to
you.
You
you
put
it
on
the
agenda
for
tonight.
I
thought
maybe
it
might
be
July,
but
I'm
happy
to
hear
from
you
Thank.
C
You
mr.
chair,
actually
Dan
has
done
a
lot
of
work
in
this
area
and
he's
gonna
have
to
fill
in
some
of
the
blanks
that
I
leave,
but
in
general,
we've
identified
a
handful
of
service
providers
who
could
pick
up
and
work
with
us
in
regards
to
the
charging
stations
that
we
do
have
and
what
I'm
handing
out
is
just
sort
of
a
infrastructure
of
all
the
things
we'd
have
to
account
for
with
deploying
charging
for
electric
vehicles
and
charging
I.
C
Guess
that's
a
tricky
word
requesting
payment
for
charging
electric
vehicles
charge
point
was
one
of
the
vendors
that
we
thought
might
work
well,
as
they
use
that
they're
able
to
work
with
multiple
types
of
electric
vehicle
connections.
They
seem
to
be
the
most
affordable,
of
course,
I
think
we'll
probably
have
to
go
out
with
an
RFP
before
we
finalize
selection,
but
that's
just
an
example
of
the
type
of
service
we
would
have
and
they
would
assist
with
receiving
payment
and
remitting
payment
to
the
city.
C
B
Well,
like
you
said,
they've
trying
to
incentivize
still
by
maybe
not
even
even
charging
the
first
hour,
giving
an
hour
or
two
free
and
then
jumping
up
to
250
an
hour
or
some
of
them
I
think
a
Indian
well
or
Palm.
Desert
Indian
Wells
charges
three
dollars.
After
the
first
few
hours,
most
cities
in
the
valley,
I
checked
Cathedral,
City,
Palm,
Desert,
Rancho,
Mirage,
Indian
Wells.
Only
one
of
the
other
cities
even
had
anything
to
mention
about
electric
vehicle
charging.
B
They
even
offered
any
had
anything
to
say
about
electric
vehicles,
so
they
around
California
I've
noticed
that
as
many
of
the
cities
are
still
offering
it
for
free
trying
to
incentivize
their
they
working
with
shopping,
centers
or
downtown
areas
to
get
people
to
shop
or
work
places
are
also
looking
at
them
as
an
incentive
as
well.
However,
they're
you
know
two
for
free
for
charging
free
charging
for
the
employees,
but
then
there's
other
things
you
have
to
look
at.
Is
you
know
that
in
fact
you
know
as
a
been
show
up
as
a
benefit?
B
Should
it
be
taxable
to
the
employee
if
they're
using
the
charger?
So
there
are
many
things
you've
got
to
think
about
and
whether
or
not
you
know,
I
think
that
we
should
be
adding
some
more
Chargers
here
too,
especially
in
the
downtown
area.
Now,
but
that's
again,
that's
up
to
you
guys,
but
that's
charging
is
a
way
to
move
forward.
It's
just
how
you
want
to
do
it
and
when
you
want
to
do
it,
which
way
is
that
for
discussion
exactly.
C
I
C
A
B
There
very
few
of
them
are
accept
your
MasterCard
or
Visa.
At
this
point,
you,
basically
you
create
an
account.
You
give
them
a
debit
card
or
credit
card
which,
where
they
take,
they
charge
you
ten
dollars,
most
of
them,
ten
to
twenty
dollars
that
they
put
on
that
as
a
charge.
And
then,
as
you
use
up
you,
they
issue
you
their
card,
a
charge,
point
card
or
whatever,
which
you
take
to
the
charging
and
a
lot
of
them
are
just
a
swipe
or
you
know
you
place
it
up
next
to
the
charge
card,
the
charger.
A
A
G
C
Believe
that's
the
discussion
we
had
previously
was
to
look
at
it
that
way.
At
that
time,
however,
we
weren't
aware
that
other
cities
may
still
maybe
are
struggling
to
get
users
to
utilize
the
system
and
perhaps
they're,
trying
to
incentivize
more
use
by
keeping
the
car
down
I'm,
not
sure,
on
an
ongoing
basis.
How
much
that
would
be
I,
don't
operate
the
electric
vehicle,
but
it
could
be
significant
over
the
course
of
a
year
whether
you
have
to
pay.
You
know
every
few
days
for
a
charge
versus
versus
dawn,
so.
G
B
Well,
from
the
research
that
I've
looked
at
the
the
actual
electricity
used
to
charge
the
vehicle
is
minimal,
yeah
the
charge
you
know,
so
that's
why
most
most
government
entities
are
just
you
know,
eating
it,
because
that
doesn't
really
amount
to
a
whole
lot.
I
think
it's
I
think
they
said
like
11.5
percent
of
their
total
electricity
charge
or
something
like
that
very
or
even
less
and
1.5%.
It's
a
very
small
amount
of
electricity,
so
the
amount
of
money
that
oversees
the
incentive,
it's
better
for
the
incentive.
A
A
C
C
K
Two
questions
really
so
the
the
stations
that
are
being
put
in
by
Tesla
will
only
charge
Tesla's.
Is
that
correct,
correct,
okay,
but
even
those
it
seems
to
me?
You
know
the
price
is
coming
down
on
electric
vehicles
and
plug-in
hybrid
plugins
substantially,
so
I
think
we
have
to
plan
for
a
lot
more
vehicles
out
there.
That
can
take
advantage
of
this,
but
it
seems
to
me
if
the
cars
can
drive
themselves.
Someone
can
figure
out
how
to
put
a
timer
on
the
charge
all
right.
B
Is
true,
they're
also
even
with
I
know,
with
Tesla
and
I
believe
with
charge
point
also
once
your
vehicle
is
at
you
know,
85
or
95
percent
they'll.
Send
you
an
email,
saying
you're,
you
know
your
chart,
your
car's
charged
or
your
you've
reached
your
time
limit.
You
could
do
it
either
way
and
they
would
send
an
email
or
maybe
even
a
text
to
the
owner
of
the
vehicle.
B
G
K
Okay,
yeah
I
raised
that
concern
the
last
discussion.
I
still
have
it,
I
mean
I.
Think
if
we're
gonna
see
an
explosion,
electric
vehicles,
it's
gonna
become
more
and
more
of
an
issue.
So
even
if
it's
a
short
term
incentive
to
see,
if
we
get,
you
know
a
lot
more
people
using
it,
there
should
be
something
in
place
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
go
beyond
a
maximum
or
some
fixham
cap
or
something
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
monitor
this
and
in
a
real-time
fashion
and
then
capture
the
cost.
C
I
think,
just
by
virtue
of
outfitting
the
device
that
the
charging
stations
to
take
charges
there
we
bring
on
a
vendor.
There
probably
be
some
cost
to
that.
So
perhaps
a
minimal
cost
just
to
keep
it
going
for
the
first
12
months
or
so,
and
then
revisited
after
that
to
see
if
use
has
gone
up
and
if
there
was
a
need
to
start
watching
how
much
electricity
is
flowing
out
say
you
know
for
that
low
cost.
If.
E
C
B
B
A
Okay,
we're
new
business
discussion
on
our
2018-19
fiscal
year,
budget
for
the
recycling
fund
and
the
sustainability
fund,
and
we've
got
two
documents.
The
staff
collected
all
the
commissioners
suggestions
and
we've
got
a
report
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
on
priorities.
So,
let's,
let's
start
with
our
list.
A
C
A
Okay,
so
if
we
look
at
this-
and
we,
if
we
look
at
the
end
from
documents
that
we
had
in
the
last
meeting,
doesn't
appear
that
in
the
recycling
fund,
if
you
can
you
scroll
to
the
bottom,
ten
you've
got
the
total.
In
the
first
column,
which
is
125,
the
recycling
fund
were
possible
expenditures
of
three
hundred
and
seventy
six
thousand
the
documents
we
had
show
that
there
was
potentially
slightly
over
a
million
dollars
that
could
be
spent
okay
and
then,
in
the
next
column,
the
far
right
column.
A
That's
the
sustainability
fund,
you're,
showing
all
the
commissioners
suggestions
added
up
to
208
five
and
one
of
the
documents
we
had
last
meeting
showed
that
available
to
budget
for
programming.
275
was
what
was
in
a
document
we
had
last
month
it.
Those
are,
those
are
right:
numbers
I,
think,
okay,
I'm,
seeing
a
nod
from
Vice
Chair
Clark
anyway.
Okay,
so
Jay,
you're,
you're,
saying
that
maybe
to
do
all
of
these
things
might
be
on
the
aggressive
side
in
terms
of
expenditure
of
funds.
A
Right,
so
even
given
that
and
we'll
get
to
your
priorities
in
a
bit
a
budgets,
a
road
map
of
you
know
a
plan
of
what
how
you
might
chunk
money
in
different
categories.
So,
theoretically
we
could
chunk
it
in
places
and
as
passion,
priority
availability
of
staff
or
commissioners
move
on
certain
things
might
get
done
and
certain
things
might
get
deflected
I
guessed
or
deferred
to
another
year,
so
I
mean
I,
do
get
yes.
I
do
get
we're
likely
not
to
do
the
all
of
the
25
things
on
this
list.
A
Maybe
we
should
go
back
to
the
top
and
just
in
case
not
to
talk
about
everyone,
but
maybe
look
at
the
six
categories
and
if
someone
doesn't
know
what
the
item
is,
we
could
just
have
a
quick
explanation
of
it.
Is
that
to
Pudsey
to
do
that,
we
know
what
bike
routes
and
bike
bike
racks
and
route
maps
are.
A
A
B
D
A
I
I
mean
this
is
just
I:
daniel
circulated
the
materials
from
div
a
meeting
of
two
weeks
ago
and
they've
got
a
decent
amount.
Three
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
their
rebate
program
for
the
upcoming
fiscal
year,
they're
doing
outreach
to
the
community
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks,
and
I
thought
that
a
an
allocation
$25,000
or
some
some
allocation
to
assist
the
HOAs,
because
most
of
the
residents
have
already
done
that
and
they
will
get
the
full
two
dollar
rebate
from
DWA
and
and
the
state.
I
But
if
we
could
find
some
money
to
just
sort
of
tag
along
to
dwa,
it
wouldn't
require
massive
amount
of
work,
because
if
they
approve
it,
we
could
work
with
them.
They
would
approve
it,
and
then
we
would
do
some
form
of
matching.
So
that's
a
fairly
simple
work
with
DWA
allocate
X
amount
for
HOAs
to
assist
the
HOAs,
because
that's
where
a
lot
of
conversion
is
still
available.
Okay,.
A
A
Apparently
not
I
had
to
look
up
pyro
leases
to
find
out
what
that
word
meant,
but
now
I
know
decomposition
at
a
high
temperature.
I
guess
everybody
else
knew
that
am
I
the
only
one
who
didn't
that's
a
new
word:
okay,.
G
G
Pack
is
a
it's
like
a
it's
a
milk
carton
like
a
milk
carton
container,
so
it's
waxed
paper
on
the
outside
on
the
inside.
There's
aluminum,
foil
and
they're
bound
together
really
tightly,
and
so
it's
not
really
feasible
out,
and
you
can
probably
speak
to
that
to
get
the
aluminum
foil
off
of
the
milk
carton.
So
they
tend
to
go
in
the
landfill.
K
G
B
K
D
G
A
A
B
Also,
the
Wild
and
Scenic
Film
Festival
that
I
think
is
part
of
one
of
those
I
think
it's
the
ten
thousand
or
less
that
he
that
was
put
on
there
and
Commissioner
Federman
said
she
is
stro
strongly
interested
in
doing
that
that
you're
planning
on
doing
something
by
December
I
believe
so
she's
strongly
for
that
and
wanted
me
to
push
it
for
her.
Okay.
B
A
A
G
While
getting
caffeinated
threw
out
some
ideas-
and
this
is
sort
of
the
result-
there
really
two
two
things
that
we
wanted
to
talk
about
and
one
was
being
involved
in
the
hiring
of
the
new
sustainability
manager.
My
understanding
is
that
City
Council
he's
moving
forward
with
that,
but
our
hope
is
that
that
person
can
come
and
do
a
job
talk
with
us
and
kind
of
describe
their
experience,
their
passions,
their
interests.
G
C
C
However,
in
discussions
with
our
Human
Resources
Department,
they
did
say
they
haven't
yet
received
much
direction
in
terms
of
how
the
recruitment
process
will
work
and
in
the
past,
commissioners,
have
been
invited
to
be
included
in
the
process,
not
necessarily
through
a
public
meeting
that
maybe
one
or
two
participate
on
a
panel
in
one
section
of
a
interview
process.
So
that's
a
possibility
so
there's
some
some
of
those
options
that
that
would
be
available,
but
I'm,
not
sure
a
presentation
or
job
talk
here
at
a
Commission
meeting.
That
would
be
possible,
but
then.
A
C
D
C
G
One
would
be
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
what
everyone
wants
here
is
industrial
scale,
composting
of
some
sort,
the
ability
to
in
this
valley
or
in
this
Reach
or
close
enough,
so
that
it's
not
cost
prohibitive,
be
able
to
handle
all
the
organic
waste
that
we
produce
here.
But
there
are
a
couple
of
smaller
steps
that
need
to
happen
before
that,
and
so
in
the
report
we
threw
out
two
ideas
for
that
and
the
first
and
easiest
might
be
a
simple
backyard
composting
program
that
could
be.
G
You
know
up
and
running
within
six
months
to
a
year
that
will
help
deal
with
household
waste
and
then,
as
a
second
level,
there
would
potentially
be
a
pilot
program,
maybe
involving
a
small
community,
a
small
HOA
or
you
know
some
other
subset
of
the
community.
That
was
involved
in
some
way,
so
the
first
step
would
be
supporting
backyard
composting.
The
second
step
would
be
a
pilot
with
the
idea
that
you
could
scale
the
pilot
and
then
a
third
would
be
down
the
line.
A
D
I
just
like
to
add
to
the
the
composting
part
of
it.
One
of
the
elements,
the
industrial
scale
composting
is
the
project
that
the
waste
reduction
subcommittee
has
been
looking
at
and
there'll
be
a
brief
report
on
that
tonight
and
I
expect
we'll
talk
about
it
and
talk
about
it
more
in
the
July
meeting.
G
Well,
in
our
report,
we
did
have
an
action
item,
okay,
about
in
some
way
being
able
to
have
a
discussion
with
the
candidates
before
they
were
hired,
okay
and
I
think
it
might
be
appropriate
to
you
know,
I
think
we
could
do
it
in
a
vague
enough
way,
so
that
the
internal
process
could
still
meet
our
goals.
Okay,.
A
A
All
right,
we
sure
going
set.
That's
perfect,
I
appreciate
you
calling
that
action
item
out.
My
question
was
really
about
the
detail
of
us
adopting
a
program,
a
line
item
program,
budget
tonight
and
I
didn't
think
we
needed
to
get
there
tonight
that
maybe
this
would
just
sort
of
be.
The
first
review
is
that
is
that
okay,
a
first
review
of
the
dollars?
A
D
By
sure
clerk
I
have
one
comment:
I
I
think
that
the
fact
that
now
there
will
be
a
hiring
a
full-time
sustainability
manager
makes
a
difference
in
some
of
the
line
items
here.
We
don't
know
when
that
person
would
be
hired,
but
especially
a
lot
of
the
ones
in
the
top
half
of
the
page
under
recycling
and
waste
reduction.
I
think
some
of
those
things
could
be
done
as
part
of
the
job
of
that
person,
so
they
would
like
the
costs
that
are
shown
here,
probably
aren't
realistic.
A
So
well
I'm
open
to
suggestions
on
process.
My
sense
is
we
would
we
can
take
any
action
that
we
want
to
take
tonight
here,
a
motion
and
and
address
it,
but
in
just
in
terms
of
allocation
of
dollars
to
line
items.
We
might
take
a
second
look
at
that
at
the
July
meeting.
Does
that
does
that
make
sense?
A
Okay,
and
if
there's
certainly,
if
there
are
budget
items
in
a
subcommittee
report
tonight
that
we
need
to
deal
with,
we
can
we
can
address
that.
So
do
we
want
to
entertain
a
motion
that
relates
to
sustainability,
Commission
involvement
in
the
hiring
process
of
a
new
manager.
Is
that
commissioner
goings,
is
that
I.
G
A
A
D
C
Discuss
that
with
the
city
manager
and
see
if
he
has
thoughts
on
moving
the
process
forward
and-
and
you
know
who
does
maybe
it
could
be
any
of
those
alternatives-
we
discussed
perhaps
even
a
what
is
considered
a
closed
session
meeting
or
you
know
there
may
be
a
way
to
do
that.
So
he
may
have
some
ideas
that
just
I'm
not
aware.
A
Of
well
so
I'll
just
float
this.
Maybe
what
would
help
move
the
process
along?
Is
the
sustainability
Commission,
hardly
endorses
City
Council
action
to
hire
full-time
sustainability
manager
and
requests
all
possible
forms
of
involvement
in
the
interview
process
to
secure
the
best
candidate.
What
about
something
like
that,
and
that
would
then
a
motion
like
that
might
which
we
communicate.
Our
motions
to
the
city
manager
might
again
rise
that
a
little
higher
look
I've,
just
I'm,
just
floating
an
idea.
I.
F
A
D
D
D
A
A
C
A
A
E
We
actually
do
not
have
an
update
at
this
point,
which
is
part
of
why
we're
pushing
for
the
education
program.
Okay,
so
we're
maybe
shifting
gears
a
little
bit
right.
A
Right
so
no
report,
okay,
item,
four
I
think
we
can
deal
with
pretty
quickly
in
looking
ahead
at
the
calendar
and
given
some
other
city
entities
action.
If
we
look
at
September
typically,
the
Commission
has
not
melt
met
in
August.
Our
regular
meeting
in
September
falls
on
the
date
that
Yom
Kippur
begins
at
sundown.
So
that's
pretty
close
to
our
meeting
time
and
could
be
a
conflict.
A
So
I
was
wondering
if
we
might
direct
staff
to
find
a
different
September
meeting
and
if
there's
a
sense
from
the
Commission,
do
we
stay
on
a
Tuesday
either
the
Tuesday
before
or
the
Tuesday
after,
or
else
we
move
to
the
Monday
before.
Would
those
be
certainly
not
the
not
Wednesday
I
would
know.
Wednesday
wouldn't
work
at
all,
because
that'd
be
at
Council
we'd.
B
A
A
E
A
Have
any
further
exploration
about
that
and
I
was
personally
wondering
if
there
would
be
any
interest
or
availability
in
moving
the
July
meeting
from
the
17th
to
the
24th,
given
that
it
is
summer
you
know.
Even
tonight,
we've
got
three
commissioners
who,
who
are
absent
just
on
general
schedules,
would
would
meeting
on
the
24th
be
problematic.
Yes,
okay,
all
right.
B
A
A
A
A
A
I
A
bunch
of
good
news
items:
first,
at
its
meeting
on
June
6th
City
Council
unanimously
approved
the
recommendation
that
we
had
made
that
the
city
choose
the
100%
carbon
free
option
for
its
some
own
energy
needs
for
DCE,
which
is
going
to
be
rolled
out
in
August.
The
DCE
website
is
now
live,
they've
begun
sending
notices
and
Daniel.
Thank
you
for
posting
the
link
on
our
page
off
to
DCE
at
yesterday's
TC
board
meeting.
I
They
approved
basically
following
the
SCE
current
system
for
those
of
us
with
solar
PV
panels,
so
it
will
be
the
same
tariff
structure
and
rebate
that
SCE
offers
so
we're.
So
roughly
three
percent.
If
you
have
excess
production
on
you
or
your
system
produces
more
than
you
have
actually
consumed
during
the
12-month
period,
then
you
get
roughly
three
cents
per
kilowatt
hour,
so
they
may
go
to
a
more
a
higher
incentive
later
once
their
financials
or
are
sad
and
there's
a
little
bit
more
clarity
from
the
CPUC.
But
that's
the
system.
I
It's
it's
I'm
going
to
be
just
basically
what
the
what
s/he
is
offering
and
I've
taken
the
tariff
structure
for
DCE
and
have
begun
working
on
updating
the
cost-benefit
ratio
that
we
had
seen
two
years
ago
when
I
was
working
on
solar,
and
that
is
the
objective,
as
we've
previously
discussed,
with
councilmember
Coors,
to
go
up
and
have
some
discussion
at
City
Council,
but
I'm
trying
to
get
the
numbers
sort
of
refreshed,
so
I've
sent
that
to
on
Katie
and
Benjamin
at
Steve,
AG
and
they're
going
to
take
a
look
at
it.
I
But
given
the
fact
that
se
E's
rates
have
gone
up
since
last
two
years,
I
show
at
least
my
back-of-the-envelope
calculations,
they're
fairly
complicated
spreadsheet
of
higher
savings.
If
you
go
for
solar,
so
I'm
working
on
updating
that
and
if
possible
like
to
see
to
get
this
to
council
for
initial
discussion,
probably
at
their
I
guess
their
June,
20th
or
whatever
they're
know
that
Jeanette
June.
That's
that
tomorrow,
the
the
till
the
second
July
meeting,
which
is
I,
guess
the
18th
I
believe.
So
that
would
be
the
objective
and
Daniel
I'll.
I
Well,
in
that
there's
an
energy
code,
compliance
training
session
in
San,
Francisco
and
I
will
be
there
next
week
for
the
Opera,
so
I'll
be
going
back
to
that
and
I'll
report
back
and
get
some
materials
for
first
half
to
circulate
as
appropriate.
And
finally,
we
are
working
on
the
CNE
energy
code
training
session
for
the
fall
know.
What
and
anything
about
that.
So.
G
So,
if
possible,
desk
staff
in
building
coal
departments
in
the
region,
trade
people
who
actually
work
in
the
trades
contractors
and
students
who
will,
by
the
time
they
graduate
be
working
under
this
code
and
the
thought
is
and
again
this
is
you
know
this
is
where
we're
moving,
and
so
this
may
shift.
But
the
thought
is
is
that
you
know
these
are
building
industry
professionals
who
are
on
the
ground
in
the
field
and
their
primary
concern
is
going
to
be.
How
do
I
build
this
thing?
You
know
what
what
is
the?
G
What
are
the
building
assemblies
and
I'm
going
to
be
joining
together
to
create
this
building?
That's
going
to
be
technically
zero
net
energy.
So
that's
that
from
my
the
thinking
is,
that
should
be
the
focus.
So
how
do
you?
How
do
you
get
those
building
assemblies
permitted?
How
do
you
actually
build
them,
and
how
do
you
measure
performance
after
they're
built,
so
that's
kind
of
a
technical
program
and
I?
It
may
be
something
that
we
could
develop.
G
Find
people
who
will
you
know
volunteer,
put
together
program,
but
it
may
also
be
a
situation
where
we
have
to
have
material
developed
from
my
understanding.
I
know
of
at
least
two
vendors.
Who
could
do
something
like
that
for
us
and
it
would
be
probably
under
10k
to
do
it
as
a
start,
but
I
think
the
value
in
doing
something
like
that
would
be
it
would
not
it.
You
know
not
simply
that
it
would
serve
our.
G
You
know
the
values
and
goals
of
this
commission,
but
it
would
serve
our
region
and
it
would
be
a
program
that
we
could
grow
over
time.
You
know,
as
things
get
updated,
we
could
just
continually
update
this
program,
so
it'd
be
an
outlay
at
first,
but
something
that
we
could
use
more
efficiently
later
on
so
I'm
working
with
a
couple
of
vendors
and
some
others
to
see.
A
I
See
vague
will
do
they'll
cover
some
of
the
costs,
so
what
we
had
done
last
year
is
that
we
found
a
friendly
solar
panel
producer
to
help
out
and
we
can
reach
out
to
that
person.
To
see
I
mean
he,
his
company
worked
on
the
the
billboards
and
that's
what
they
covered,
but
I
do
think
that,
as
we
get
a
little
bit
farther,
we
should
reach
out
and
see
if
there's
any
way
to
to
come
up
with
with
some
funding.
I
Obviously,
if
we're
going
to
come
up
with
some
really
prescriptive
materials
that
we
shouldn't,
you
know
that
we
should
really
look
to
see
if
any
other
seabag
or
somebody
else
can
help,
because
that's
above
and
beyond
the
call
of
duty
for
the
city
of
Palm
Springs.
If
you
ask
me
clearly,
if
there's
bringing
somebody
in
from
Sacramento,
you
know
we
may
cover
some
of
that.
We
are
closely
working
with
EVB
a
so
once
again.
That
would
be
a
good
source
of
asking
for
some
some
help.
Okay,.
A
I
I
A
A
Oh
okay,
so
raise
your
hand
if
you
got
a
letter
and
opened
it
yay
good
for
you,
okay,
perfect
or
some
sort
of
communication.
I
B
Good
we've
already
had
some
calls
on
it
as
well.
Here
I'm
wondering
what
it
was
with
it
was
spam,
may
all
or
not,
even
if
it
came
in
in
the
in
the
mailbox,
had
a
call
asking
if
this
was
really
from
the
city
or
the
70.
The
city,
sponsoring
and
I
assured
them
that,
yes,
it
was
real,
so
they
were
okay,
I.
A
D
I'll
get
the
report
I'll
just
touch
upon
some
things.
Briefly
with.
Regarding
the
polystyrene
takeout
container
potential
ban
and
plastic
straw
ban,
we
had
many
discussions
on
that.
A
lot
of
work
has
been
done.
The
last
thing
that
we
were
working
on
is
we.
We
created
a
questionnaire
that
we
wanted
to
send
out
to
restaurant
owners
and
in
Palm
Springs
did
a
simple
questionnaire
to
get
an
idea
of
what
they're,
using
now
for
takeout
containers
and
what
the
impact
would
be
on
them.
D
Well,
it
wouldn't
cost
anything
and-
and
we
would
be
more
likely
to
get
responses
so
we'll
have
to
regroup
and
discuss
with
what
we
want
to
do
with
regard
to
that,
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
bottle
and
can
recycling
containers
and
in
public
parks
and
Rob
gave
a
presentation
showing
the
final
design
that
that
we
had
come
up
with
and
Dan
reported
to
us
that
the
order
has
been
placed
and
that
the
bins
will
ship
on
June
26th
they'll,
be
here
tomorrow.
Terrific,
oh.
E
B
D
D
And
so,
basically,
everything
that
we
put
in
our
Brown
trash
containers
would
go
into
this
machine
would
be
compressed.
The
organics
would
be
separated
that
way
as
liquids
and
then
the
solids
would
would
then
be
taken
to
the
landfill
as
they
currently
are.
There's
some
work
that
is
being
already
being
done
to
look
at
the
feasibility.
B
D
H
Okay,
well
I
just
want
to
tie
in
when
we
were
talking
about
the
need
and
the
desire
for
composting,
and
you
know
in,
and
so
it
would
be
a
further
discussion
because
obviously,
a
project
like
this
is
many
years
down
the
line.
It's
a
lot
of
money.
It's
a
lot
of
time.
It's
a
lot
of
process.
It's
it's
amazing!
It
would
be
great
to
be.
Some
brings
something
like
that
to
the
Coachella
Valley,
so
we
would
have
to
decide
now
in
the
meantime
forever
in
many
years
it
takes
to
do
this.
H
Do
we
want
to
implement
a
composting
program
in
the
meantime?
Is
that
helpful?
You
know
that's
a
long
conversation
and
we've
started
that
conversation
with
Chris
Cunningham
talking
about
okay.
Where
would
we
you
know,
say
we
collect
it?
Who
pays
for
that
say
we
could
pay
for
that.
Then
you
know:
where
does
it?
Where
do
you
take
it?
It
goes.
You
know,
I
mean
to
process
it
at
this
point
we
don't
have
any
you
know.
H
Do
you
remember
where
he
said
they
could
take
it
if
we
did
a
composting
where
Chris
said
anyway,
it's
far
away,
it's
really
expensive.
You
need
to
weigh
out
you
know
the
cost-benefit,
for
you
know
how
much
resources
is
it
take
to
collect
and
then
move
all
this
organic
waste
to
where
they
could
currently
process
it
right
and
then
you
know
say
say
we
could
have
this.
This
wastewater
treatment
thing
right
away.
It
would
take
away
the
need
to
have
organic
green
composting.
Bins.
H
Does
that
make
sense,
but
then
we
still
need
to
talk
about
in
the
meantime
and
I
think
that
that
was
brought
up,
so
that
makes
sense
I'm
just
trying
to
talk
about
the
process
and
and
where
do
where
do
we
go
next
steps
and
deciding
you
know?
Is
it
worth
it
to
try
to?
If
we
can
get
this
going?
Is
it
worth
it
to
trying
to
implement
the
green
waste
before
hand?
If
so,
what
would
that
look
like
you
know.
D
B
A
A
A
And
wellness
Commissioner
Baker
is
in
Sacramento
tonight
and
I'll.
Just
I
will
note
that
he
and
I,
and
some
other
folks
had
a
little
email
related
to
that.
You
might
have
seen
this
notice,
which
which
I
do
want
all
of
you
to
know
about
anyway.
Health
care,
district
links,
people
and
services
was
in
the
desert
Sun
on
May
22nd.
It
speaks
of
the
cv,
h,
IP,
it's
a.com,
I
think.
Is
it
com
dot?
A
Yes,
it
is
CB
h,
IP
comm,
it's
C,
Coachella
Valley
health
information
portal,
or
maybe
they
changed
the
last
word
anyway.
What
I
wanted
you
to
know
is
that
the
sustainability
Commission
through
the
mayor's
race
donated
a
significant
amount
of
funding
that
and
got
this
program
initially
started,
and
so,
while
we
weren't
mentioned
in
the
article
I
want
you
all
to
take
some
credit
and
I
was
down
for
a
pilot
view
when
it
was
first
developed,
and
so
we
did
have
some
beginnings
of
that
new
resource.
I
A
few
a
few
things:
first,
following
up
on
the
the
previous
rebate
discussion,
in
addition
to
the
rebates
for
HOAs
and
residences,
there's
actually
a
three
dollar
rate
for
government
projects
that
the
city
would
be
eligible
for
and
the
DWA
board
is
strongly
encouraging
the
city
to
actually
go
into
a
project
and
apply
for
its
rebate.
And
there
is
enough
funding
in
the
budget
they
approved
this
morning,
so
Jay
and
Daniel.
I
Maybe
that's
a
discussion
that
we
can
have
with
Stacy
pilot
projects
or
just
some
things
that
would
be
highly
visible,
would
be
the
fountain
of
the
grass
around
the
fountain
and
on
the
north
side
of
East
Palm
Canyon
by
the
Saguaro
across
from
Smoketree.
It
looks
pretty
awful
there,
maybe
they're
doing
something,
but
it's
a
it
does
look
pretty
sad.
I
So
those
are
two
potential
areas
where
the
city
could
dump
you
know,
do
a
project
and
get
up
to
three
dollar
rebate,
I
believe
it's
limited
to
$40,000,
but
we
it's
worth
following
up
and
coming
up
with
something
and
working
with
Stacy
in
and
Ashley
mad
scared
to
do
that.
The
money
is
available
from
W,
a
and
they'd.
I
I
The
system
is
reaching
its
life
lifecycle
end
for
pipes
that
came
in
and
literally
in
the
40s
as
Palm
Springs
was
growing
right
after
the
war
until
they
have
allocated
four
million
dollars
for
pipeline
or
replacement
in
the
budget
which
isn't
itself
a
water
conservation,
because
the
water
just
could
goes
out
of
the
pipes
and
more
visibly.
It
requires
the
W,
a
crews
out.
You
know
on
the
city
streets
and
there's
a
lot
of
leaky
leaky
pipe,
so
they've
got
so
they're
trying
to
get
ahead
of
that.
I
And
finally,
we
got
the
may
water
conservation
numbers.
The
number
was
good
for
May,
roughly
twenty
one
percent
reduction
from
the
2013
baseline
q
middle
of
savings
over
the
last
twelve
months
is
thirteen
point
four
percent,
which
is
in
line
with
their
ten
to
thirteen
percent
target
and
then
the
cumulative
savings
since
twenty
sixteen
when
they
began
the
ten
to
thirteen
is
roughly
seventeen
percent.
So
there
has
been
at
least
a
bit
of
a
catch
up
on
on
some
of
the
numbers
and
and
that,
hopefully,
particularly
with
the
additional
turf
replacements,
will
continue
to
show.
A
Alright,
mr.
Futterman
is
absent,
but
she
would
want
you
to
know
that
the
World
Environment
Day
did
happen
on
Sunday
June.
Third,
at
the
pavilion
how
many
I
dropped
in
wish'
votes?
Was
there
yeah?
We
had
that's
what
I
thought
we
had
a
really
good
I.
Wasn't
there
the
whole
time,
but
we
had
a
good
representation
of
commissioners
that
were
there.
So
thank
you
all
for
that
and
I
know
who
sure
Futterman
appreciates
that
she.
D
Yes,
mister
just
to
follow
up
on
milkweed
and
butterflies
and
the
mayor's
pledge
I
know.
Dan
had
reported
that
he
filed
the
paperwork
for
the
mayor's
pledge
after
it
was
approved
by
the
City
Council
in
April,
or
we
have
a
committee
actually
were
forming
a
board,
a
larger
organization
to
deal
with
education
and
dissemination
of
plants
and
so
forth,
and
one
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
recently
is:
what
do
we
do
now
that
we
have
the
mayor
mayor's
pledge,
because
actually
the
idea
was
that
we
might,
you
know,
get
some
traction
out
of
it.
D
If
people
and
the
city
know
that
the
mayor
has
signed
this
pledge,
then
then
they
may
be
more
likely
to
go
along
in
plant,
milkweed
and
so
forth.
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
I
contacted
councilmember
Coors
and
asked
him
about
his
ideas
for
perhaps
following
up
on
the
mayor's
pledge,
like
perhaps
having
a
press
conference
or
a
press
release,
and
we've
had
a
lot
of
milkweed
planted
around
the
city
in
parks
and
other
city
properties.
So
that
might
be
good.