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C
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C
Okay,
so
I
have
a
motion
from
dan
kaiser,
a
second
from
scott
miller
and
is
there
any
discussion.
C
Any
any
opposed,
okay,
so
the
mash.
The
motion
passes
six
two
zero.
C
Okay,
next
public
comment:
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
preservation
board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
this
board,
although
the
historic
site
preservation
board
values
all
of
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
C
B
Yes,
we
have
a
few
people
here
to
speak.
We
have
ron
and
barbara
marshall.
We
have
susan
sukhoi
jensen,
who
I
know
are
here
to
speak.
I
think
that
mr
walsh
and
mike's
iphone
are
here
for
other
matters.
So
susan,
could
you
un
turn
on
your
camera,
please
and
on
your
mic.
A
Good
evening,
quite
often
the
building
sites
and
structures
most
endangered
and
in
need
of
preservation
efforts
do
not
have
the
property
owner's
consent
to
preserve
them.
I'm
referencing
item
5a.
That
will
be
a
discussion
item
this
evening.
A
So
I
address
you
today
as
an
advisory
board
member
of
pspf
and
as
the
author
of
the
nomination
for
the
bank,
I
learned
a
great
deal
about
the
subject
property.
Initially,
I
thought
the
historic
significance
is
primarily
attested
to
the
ball
relief
panels
at
the
front
entry
created
by
world
renowned
artist,
lawrence
tenny
stevens.
A
A
I
traced
and
contacted
family
members
still
residents
of
palm
springs
and
learned
of
his
deep
roots
and
involvement
within
the
community.
His
passion
for
palm
springs
and
its
history
was
the
impetus
of
the
collaboration
between
artists,
lawrence
tenney,
stevens
and
architect,
joseph
bing
wong,
I
believe
as
preservationists.
A
A
B
I
believe
ron
and
barbara
marshall
may
wish
to
speak
on
this
ron
and
barbara.
If
you
would
like
to
open
your
camera
and
unmute
your
mic.
B
B
Evening,
okay,
thank
you
very
much.
That's
all
we
have,
madam
chair,
that
I'm
aware
of.
C
C
D
C
Okay,
so
miss
ms
hansen
has
made
a
motion
and
mr
roosevelt
has
seconded.
D
C
Okay
motion
passes
six
to
zero.
Let
us
proceed
to
agenda
item
number
two.
There
are
no
public
hearings
today,
so
we'll
move
on
to
there's
no
unfinished
business
either.
C
B
Yes,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
The
owners
of
this
particular
home
have
submitted
an
application
seeking
to
do
modifications
to
the
home
which
they
have
recently
purchased.
B
Their
desire
is
to
move
forward
with
the
improvements
that
they
wish
to
do
to
the
home.
At
this
time
they
are
not
interested
in
seeking
historic,
designation.
The
home
is
the
class
3
site,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report
and
in
the
material
that
has
been
provided
by
the
applicant.
You
have
some
information
on
the
background,
the
chain
of
title
and
some
other
materials
the
home
is
from
the
1930s
and
it
is
a
constructed
in
the
traditional
spanish
colonial
revival
style
it's
in
good
condition,
overall,
on
a
very
large
lot.
B
That's
heavily
landscaped,
with
a
swimming
pool
and
accessory
dwelling
structure
also
on
the
site.
B
We've
identified
the
project,
as
our
analysis
in
the
staff
report
does
go
through
considering
this
particular
site
against
the
criteria
in
the
city's
historic
preservation
ordinance,
and
we
note
that
it
would
be
a
reasonable
property
to
consider
as
a
possible
example
of
a
home
from
the
period
between
the
wars
from
1919
to
1941.
B
However,
we
noted
that
it
is
not
particularly
an
exemplary
piece
of
this
type
of
architecture.
There
have
been
modifications
made
to
it,
as
you
all
saw
from
your
site
visit.
A
number
of
doors
have
been
replaced
with
new
doors.
There
have
been
a
number
of
different
additions
added
onto
the
home
over
time,
so
we
recognized
the
home
as
being
potentially
eligible,
but
in
this
case
we
didn't
feel
that
it
stood
out
as
a
particularly
noteworthy
example
of
this
type
of
architecture.
B
So
our
recommendation
at
this
time
is
for
the
board
to
take
no
action
and
allow
the
applicant
to
move
forward
with
the
improvements
that
they
wish
to
make
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
and
dwayne
smith
is
here
with
us,
representing
the
applicant
and
owner
who
can
clarify
any
further
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
C
Okay-
and
you
had
mentioned
that
the
applicant
is
present,
would
would
the
applicant
like
to
speak.
You
would
have
three
minutes
if
you'd
like
to
share
anything
more
about
the
project
for
the
board's
consideration.
F
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
I
would
ken
actually
described
the
existing
state
very
well,
as,
as
you
mentioned,
my
client
is
the
new
newer
owner
of
the
house.
They
are
very
much
in
love
with
the
spanish
revival
style
and
love
those
elements
of
the
home,
so
they
definitely
want
to
preserve
that
as
much
as
possible.
F
But
in
our
you
know,
in
our
review
of
the
existing
site
and
the
existing
the
structure,
it
really
became
clear
that
the
original
structure
that
was
that
was
built,
seemed
to
be
more
like
about
a
2200
square
foot
home.
So
it
was
quite
a
bit
smaller
than
what's
there
today.
So
what
we
have
found
is
there
probably
about
four
to
five
additions
over
the
years
at
various
eras,
all
done
in
different
styles,
with
a
variety
of
roof.
F
Our
goal
in
in
the
renovations
is
to
actually
bring
it
all
together
with
one
unifying
kind
of
cohesive
style,
to
try
and
and
unify
some
of
the
bad
renovations
that
have
been
done
over
the
years
and
a
lot
of
that
is
in
interior
work.
That
is
not
not
relevant
to
this
board's
review,
but
there
are
some
really
bad
kind
of
additions
done
inside
that
we
want
to
remedy
through
that.
F
That
will
require
kind
of
remodifying
or
modifying
this
the
structure
significantly,
but
in
doing
so
we're
being
very,
very
cognizant
of
the
of
that
authentic
style,
and
we
want
to
really
preserve
that.
So
we're
going
to
great
lengths
to
maintain
the
original
spanish
elements
like
the
exposed,
rafter
tails,
the
gable
roof
styles,
the
low
slope,
roofs,
etc.
So
a
lot
of
effort
being
put
in
to
really
preserve
that
spanish
revival,
style
and
kind
of
bring
it
back
to
life
back
in
line
with
the
original
structure.
C
Thank
you,
mr
smith.
Are
there
any
further
questions
of
mr
smith
representing
the
applicant,
any
any
questions
I
I
actually
have
a
question.
Maybe
you
can
remind
me,
you
mentioned
the
original.
What
you
thought
was
the
original
square
square
footage
of
the
structure
and
and
what
is
original
and
then
what
is
like
now.
F
So
the
original
scene,
we
couldn't
find
any
evidence
in
any
of
the
permit
records
of
what
the
exact
square
footage
was
originally,
but
based
on
the
various
roof
styles
and
various
interior
structural
styles.
It
looks
like
the
very
original
house
was
probably
about
2
200
square
feet
somewhere
around
there,
possibly
a
three
bedroom.
F
Currently
we
have
the
existing
main
house
at
3
393
square
feet.
There
is
an
additional
garage
that
does
not
seem
to
be
original
or
if
it
was
original,
it
was
a
separate
garage,
that's
371
square
feet,
and
then
there
was
there's
an
existing
adu
structure
at
the
northeast
corner
of
the
lot.
That
is
774
square
feet
that
was
built
at
a
later
date
that
has
a
flat
roof
and
a
parapet
wall
around.
It
there's
also
an
existing
pool
house,
which
is
just
basically
a
bathroom
and
a
sauna,
that's
adjacent
to
the
pool.
F
That
was
also
not
an
original
structure.
That's
about
100
square
feet,
so
so
all
in
we
currently
have
what's
that
for
about
5
000,
just
under
5
000
square
feet
on
the
lot
and
we're
we're
going
to
be
netting.
We
are
taking
off
some
of
the
existing
structure
and
rebuilding
it
with
the
with
the
goal
of
putting
a
basement
underneath
to
actually
move
mechanicals
and
some
other
elements
into
the
basement,
so
that
we
don't
add
too
much
square
footage
to
the
parcel.
F
But
we
are
netting
ground
floor
about
1800
square
feet
on
the
main
house.
In
addition
on
to
what's
there
today,
plus
we're
moving
the
garage
to
attach
to
the
adu
and
we're
adding
on
about
1300
square
feet
to
the
adu
as
well
to
add
some
additional
functional
space
and
dwelling
space.
C
Thank
you,
mr
smith,
for
clarifying
that
that
square
footage.
It
appears
that
you
know
over
the
years.
You
know
several
alterations
have
been
made,
as
you
clearly
stated,
and
are
there
any
other
questions
anything
else.
Mr
nelson.
G
I
have
questions
regarding
the
application
and
some
background
on
the
original
architect,
so
I'm
happy
to
share
that
when
the
time
is
appropriate.
G
C
G
Great
great,
so,
first
of
all,
I
wanted
to
thank
dwayne
smith
for
his
research
that
was
included
in
our
packet
and
calling
out
wc
pinell,
who
was
the
original
designer
of
this
house
and
took
out
some
new
information
from
a
desert
sun
article
written
on
the
9th
of
april
1937..
G
One
of
the
final
homes
now
nearing
completion
is
the
lovely
new
residence
in
elmira,
doing
state
designed
by
architect,
wc
pennell
and
built
by
contractor
harry
e
holton
meyer.
Maya
newsteader
is
the
president
and
joseph
b
levy,
the
vice
president
and
treasurer
of
the
new
stutter
company,
the
largest
and
most
exclusive
ladies
department
store
west
of
the
mississippi
and
located
in
denver.
G
They
left
the
matter
in
his
hands
and
did
not
see
the
place
again
until
a
few
days
ago
upon
their
return.
We
are
delighted
with
the
results
quote
unquote,
but
mr
levy,
mr
pannell
and
mr
holton
have
demonstrated
that
they
know
their
business.
We
were
saved
all
the
time
and
worry
of
looking
after
details
and
got
just
exactly
what
we
wanted
and
should
have
here
in
the
desert
area,
far
better
than
we
could
have
chosen
ourselves.
G
Other
affluent
homes
constructed
here
this
season,
credited
to
mr
pannell
of
the
residences
of
aj
anderson,
john
tyler,
president
of
farmers,
international
insurance,
dwight
bligen
foster,
dudley,
mary
patterson
route,
nationally,
famous
writer
and
mrs
richardson
baldwin
pennell
has
been
an
architect
in
southern
california
for
35
years
and
for
15
was
associated
with
john
c
austin
in
the
firm
of
austin
canelo
architects.
G
His
plan
of
complete
architectural
financial
building
and
home
service
has
met
with
strong
demand
and
satisfactory
response
during
the
desert.
He
specializes
only
in
a
better
class
of
homes.
So
just
a
little
background
to
that,
I'm
sorry.
I
didn't
have
time
to
send
it
before
the
meeting,
and
so
he
was
fairly
well
known
in
l.a,
and
he
did
quite
a
few
residents
of
here,
even
though
mr
smith
said
in
the
research
that
he
did,
that
he
was
mainly
known
for
theaters
and
one
other
thing.
G
So
that
just
gives
us
some
more
background,
and
I
would
also
take
issue
with
the
statement
that
not
much
of
these
historic
integrity
is
intact.
G
I
do
believe
in
the
front
of
the
home
when
you
enter
the
front
door
in
that
little
spanish-style
courtyard,
with
the
beautiful
staircase
leading
up
to
the
the
rooftop
balcony
or
gloria
or
whatever
you
might
want
to
call
it
that
still
retains
what
feels
like
to
me
a
pretty
original
sense
of
integrity
in
terms
of
that
original
intent.
That
was
clear
in
mr
cannell's
work.
G
So
that's
pretty
much
my
input
at
this
point
and
thank
you
all
for
listening.
C
Thank
you,
mr
nelson,
for
sharing
that
you
always
do
such
excellent
research.
Thank
you
really
appreciate
that.
Okay,
any
other
questions
for
mr
smith,
any
other
questions,
okay,
saying
no
further
questions.
May
I
have
a
motion
please.
C
Emotion:
okay,.
A
C
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
mr
kaiser,
a
second
by
mr
miller.
Is
there
any
further
discussion.
B
I
would
only
ask
if
member
nelson
would
be
kind
enough
to
forward
the
material
he
found
for
our
archival
record
on
this.
C
And
miss
hansen
can.
A
B
That's
a
very
good
question
when
we
have
some
of
these
that
do,
of
course,
get
recommended
by
the
board
for
higher
designation.
Of
course,
they
have
the
chance
to
go
to
potentially
class
one
or
class
two
on
these
that
wind
up
going
forward
and
taking
no
action.
We
would
typically
remove
them
from
the
list
because
they
would
no
longer
be
further
considered.
C
Thank
you,
okay.
Any
mr
nelson.
G
I
would
like
to
make
an
amendment
to
the
motion
that
it
remain
on
the
class
three
list.
Even
once.
We
approve
the
scope
of
the
application
presented
to
us
today,
because
it
is
the
the
original
health
is
still
there
and
it
is
still
built
prior
to
1978.
So
it
is
still
a
classical
effect.
B
B
It
was
identified
as
part
of
the
citywide
survey
as
having
potential
historic
significance.
So
these
are
the
kinds
of
matters
that
when
they
do
have
a
requested
alteration
come
forward,
then
the
board
does
consider
it
at
that
time
and
if
the
board
acts,
as
you
are
appearing
to
do
so
here
today,
the
the
work
has
been
processed.
You've
considered
it
further
and
no
longer
action
no
longer
is
there
a
request,
then
to
further
consider
it
for
class.
B
One
anything
that
now
goes
forward
on
this
home
is
going
to
further
modify
and
alter
it,
and
so,
if
it
doesn't
have
historic
significance
as
it
exists
today,
it
will
have
less
historic
significance
going
forward.
A
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
further
comment
on
mr
lyon's
comments.
I
guess
I
don't
see
the
point
of
putting
that
on
the
motion
again
if
it's
a
class
three
and
we're
already
tonight
really
making
that
determination
that
it
doesn't
deserve
any
further
consideration
and
again
to
reiterate
what
he
said.
What's
going
to
happen
as
a
result
of
this
motion
to
take
no
action,
it's
going
to
be
further
altered
to
a
point
that
it
would
be
even
less
of
a
class
three
in
in
my
mind.
D
So
I
I
don't
necessarily
agree
with
that
amendment
to
the
motion.
G
If
I
may
explain,
they're,
not
demolishing
the
house,
they're
not
doing
a
major
architectural
alteration,
the
original
square
footage
of
the
house
is
still
there
underneath
all
of
the
alterations
and
add-ons.
G
So
that's
my
point
and
that
the
original
house
from
1937
is
still
there
underneath
all
those
layers.
It
still
is
the
class
we
have
at
its
core,
even
though
they're
doing
an
update
now
and
they're
going
to
actually
bring
back
some
of
those
elements
according
to
the
applicant's
representative.
D
I'm
not
sure
ken
is
that's
not
part
of
the
criteria.
Right
I
mean
for
a
class
three,
I
mean
it.
It
seems
like
it's
sort
of
a
marker
at
the
point
of
a
survey
and
then,
when
you
get
to
the
point,
where
there's
a
decision
to
be
made
about
the
property,
I
I
don't
see
an
advantage
to
having
it
remain
in
class
three.
What
does
that
do
for
the
property
to
have
it
remain
that
way.
B
Well,
it
really
it
doesn't
afford
very
much
frankly.
B
What
it
does
is
if
this
home
were
to
remain
or
any
property
were
to
remain
on
the
class
3
list
after
going
through
this
kind
of
analysis,
which
will
further
alter
the
the
original
home
you're
really
going
to
then
cause
this
house
for
subsequent
owners
that
may
choose
to
do
some
type
of
exterior
modifications
to
come
back
through
the
whole
process
all
over
again-
and
you
know
if
the
board
in
its
consideration
today
concludes
that
the
home
you
know,
lacks
sufficient
eligibility
to
to
put
the
stay
of
demolition
on
it
and
recommend
that
we
go
into
an
application
to
redesignate
it.
B
Whatever
is
done
to
the
home,
either
by
the
current
applicant
or
subsequent
owners,
as
as
you
mentioned
janet,
and
I
have
said,
the
home
is
going
to
become
further
altered.
The
scope
of
the
work
that
the
current
homeowner
is
proposing
is
not
a
restoration
project.
B
If
it
were
a
restoration
project,
I
may
have
different
opinions
and
recommendations
for
you,
but
this
is
not
a
recommendation.
This
is
this
is
modifying
the
home
further,
although
in
a
respectful
way
relative
to
the
type
of
architecture,
it's
it's
not
a
restoration
project,
and
so
that's
why
we
would
not
recommend
continuing
to
keep
it
on
class.
Three.
It's
really
served
the
purpose
when
you
consider,
what's
what
you're
doing
today
is
here's
a
person
who
has
a
home.
The
home
was
identified
through
a
city-wide
survey
as
being
potentially
eligible
in
this
particular
case.
B
It
was
behind
a
tall
hedge,
and
so
the
consultant
was
unable
to
further
determine
whether
it
had
eligibility
or
not,
which
is
part
of
why
it
was
on
the
list.
So
that's
that's
why
we
would
you
know
act
as
I
had
mentioned.
You
know
it's.
It's
somewhat
immaterial
whether
you
wish
to
keep
it
on
the
class
three
list
or
not
if
it
were
to
stay
on
the
class
three
list-
and
you
know
five
or
ten
years
from
now
that
a
homeowner
wanted
to
further
modify
the
house.
B
Unfortunately,
if
you
keep
it
on
the
class
three
list,
then
it
comes
right
back
to
that
board
at
that
time
and
now
they're
looking
at
a
property,
that's
even
further
modified
than
what
you've
got
today.
So
it's
it's!
It's
somewhat
immaterial!
It's
it's!
Your
choice.
C
So
so
we
have
a
a
motion
by
mr
kaiser
to
have
the
historic
site
preservation
board,
take
no
action
and
allow
the
processing
of
the
building
permits
for
the
proposed
alterations
and-
and
we
have
a
second
so
yes,
mr
miller,.
E
I
would
just
say
I
am
the
seconder
and
I
well,
while
member
nelson,
I
truly
respect
the
research
that
you
did
and
the
sensitivity
to
this
home.
E
I
have
to
defer
to
what
staff
member
lyon
said
regarding
the
reasoning
for
keeping
it
on
the
list
or
not
and
we're
getting
our
lick
up,
the
sucker
now
so
to
speak,
and
I
think
we
we
believe
that
it's
not
eligible
for
class
1
or
class
2,
based
on
what
we've
discovered,
and
so
I
wouldn't
support
any
amendment
that
would
attempt
to
keep
it
on
a
class
3
list.
H
Yeah,
I
agree
with
mr
miller.
I
think
we
fear
that
if
we
we
look
at
many
class
three
structures
over
the
course
of
our
run
here
we're
going
into
the
same
conversation
again
and
again
so
we're
starting
to
make
a
precedent
as
to
what
we
do
with
these
class
three
structures.
G
Yes,
I
respect
all
of
those
statements,
and
that
was
precisely
why
I
made
the
the
amendment
to
create
a
dialogue,
because
this
is
truly
a
unique
situation
and
it
speaks
to
the
future
here
in
something
how
we
have
this
large
collection
of
pre-1940
spanish
revival,
spanish
colonial
revival,
homes,
many
of
which
were
done
by
l.a
area,
architects,
that
established
offices
here
and
who
are
unfortunately
not
as
well
known
as
some
of
the
earliest
architects,
like
trump
little
clark
albert
way,
who
were
building
in
that
style
when
they
first
came
to
town.
G
So
this
was
why
I
brought
it
up
to
have
it
be
in
the
record
and
to
create
this
dialogue,
because
it
is
very
important
and
the
more
we
approve
these,
the
more
they
will
disappear,
and
I
think
that's
a
very
important
thing
to
remember
going
forward.
That
was
the
original
old
movie,
calling
that
neighborhood
there
and
there
were
very
few
homes.
Unlike
it
the
way
it
is
now.
So,
thank
you
all
for
weighing
in
on
that,
and
I
don't
disagree
with
any
of
it,
and
I
will
retract
the
amendment
now.
Regretfully,.
B
I
just
want
to
add
up
a
postscript
on
this
discussion
and
I
I
think
it's
wonderful.
When
the
board
has
this
kind
of
debate
and
dialogue,
because
it's
good
for
the
overall
concept
of
what
you're
working
toward
keep
in
mind.
If
a
owner,
whether
this
one
or
a
future
one
wishes
to
submit
to
the
city
an
application
for
class
1
or
class
2
historic
site
designation,
we
would
be
obligated
to
process
it,
and
a
future
board
would
have
to
wrestle
with
that
very
question.
So
it
doesn't
spell
the
end.
B
You
know
if
a
future
owner
was
to
really
believe
that
the
home
had
enough
credentials
to
designate
they
could
certainly
make
that
application
in
the
future.
Hsbb
would
have
to
wrestle
with
that
question.
C
D
Thank
you.
I
just
have
one
final
question,
and
maybe
your
remark
as
well,
but
is
there
any
way
right
now
that
there's
a
history
preserved
from
the
survey
that
this
was
a
class
three?
I
don't
think
the
city
doesn't
have
any
sort
of
a
database.
Is
that
correct
of
properties,
because
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
that
board
member
nelson
is
is
saying
that
there's
also
it's
also
important
to
remember
the
history
of
the
properties.
D
You
know
to
know
that
it
had
been
a
class
of
three
and
it's
not
so
that
you
know
again
over
time.
We
can
look
back
at
some
of
these
properties.
We
can
begin
to
understand.
You
know
how
many
there
were,
how
many
we're
losing,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
way
that
the
city
you
know
can
keep
that
information.
I
know
in
paper
format
it
it
doesn't
do
much,
but
is
there
any
sort
of
an
electronic
database
where
this
can
be?
You
know
maintained.
B
Yes,
actually
every
case,
that's
processed
by
the
city
retains
itself
in
a
case
file.
Those
files
don't
go
away.
So
when
this
particular
one
is
considered-
and
this
is
kind
of
one
of
the
first
ones
that
you've
considered
where
it
is
not
one
that's
being
fully
demolished
or
whatever
it
will
be,
it
will
say
on
the
class
3
list
removed
on
6,
1
21
via
case
number
3.420,
and
that
case
file
will
remain
in
the
city's
archives,
both
electronically
and
in
hard
copy.
B
So
there
actually
is
a
way
of
documenting
it,
and
there
is
a
way
of
cross-referencing
it
if,
in
the
future,
this
property
were
to
come
forward
to
the
board,
there
would
be
data
there.
That
would,
you
know,
tie
the
events
together
so
that
you
could
understand
what
what
took
place
and
why
this
particular
board
made
the
decision
that
it
did
at
that
time.
B
D
C
And
then,
with
that
archive,
then
mr
nelson's
information,
the
research
that
he
did
on
on
that
article
would
be
included
in
that.
So.
B
A
G
Nelson
comment
down
there
and
then
we'll
put
it
to
bed,
but
another
reason
why
I
brought
this
up
and
why
I
made
that
amendment,
because
I
was
thinking
of
many
years
ago
when
I
was
a
realtor
many
many
years
ago
in
this
town,
and
I
had
a
client
who
was
looking
in
all
of
thomas
and
they
had
found
this
beautiful
old,
original
1930
spanish
house
that
had
been
bought
by
the
property
next
door
and
they
were
intending
to
make
it
part
of
the
property
and
turn
into
a
guest
test.
G
Well,
lo
and
behold
they
added
on
to
the
property
and
expanded
it
and
changed
it,
and
you
couldn't
recognize
it
anymore,
but
it
was
still
this
original
beautiful
little
1930s
spanish
bungalow,
and
he
said
if
I
had
the
train,
I
would
buy
it
after
they
added
all
that
stuff
rip
it
all
off
and
take
it
right
back,
and
so
I
was
just
looking
to
the
future.
How
someone
might
you
know
they
might
know,
or
they
might
find
the
article
by
mr,
that
it
was
built
by
mr
pannell.
G
They
might
find
an
original
photo,
because
this
neighborhood
is
well
documented.
We
might
not
have
all
have
all
the
information
photos
at
our
fingertips,
but
I
do
know
that
it
is
documented
somewhere
someplace.
Maybe
it's
at
the
la
county,
public
library,
resources
that
are
harder
to
tap
into
you
know
at
a
last-minute
notice,
but
there
are
people
out
there,
clients
who
buy
real
estate,
who
want
that
original
and
they
will
rip
off
all
the
additions
that
were
made
over
time
to
get
back
to
that.
G
So
that
was
another
part
of
my
motivation
for
bringing
that
up
and
making
that
amendment.
So
thank
you
all.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
have
the
motion
by
kaiser
in
second
by
miller,
seeing
no
further
discussion
I'll
call
for
the
question
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
any
opposed.
C
C
May
we
please
have
the
staff
report?
Yes,.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
as
noted
in
your
staff
report,
this
is
a
home
that
was
built
in
1951.
According
to
the
building
permit
records
as
a
single
family
home
the
home
by
its
age,
is
considered
to
be
class
four
and
the
reason
it
is
not
class.
Three
is
because,
through
that
citywide
survey
a
few
years
ago,
that
consultant
did
not
find
anything
noteworthy
about
this
particular
property
that
would
have
placed
it
on
the
class
3
list.
B
So
you're,
looking
at
a
class
4
site
here,
built
prior
to
1978
in
1951
and
again
I
will
point
out.
This
is
one
of
those
where
remember.
Nelson's
sleuthing
is
always
excellent
and
I
believe
you
found
I'm
not
mistaken,
I'm
digging
through
my
materials
here
quickly.
I
think
you
found
some
information
about
the
person
who
was
credited
through
the
newspaper
as
having
been
the
builder
on
this
home,
and
what
was
interesting
is
I
think
I've
got
in
the
packet
here
somewhere
and
I'm
kind
of.
B
Talk
so
I
apologize
for
that.
The
original
building
permit
for
this
home,
it's
very
difficult
to
read,
but
it
doesn't
appear
to
be
the
same
name
that
the
newspaper
credits
as
the
as
the
builder.
It's
a
little
hard
to
read
it's
toward
the
very
back
and
there's
an
article
that
was
provided
crediting,
the
design
of
this
home
to
a
contractor
named
arthur
wright.
B
The
building
permit
it's
hard
to
read,
but
it
doesn't
look
like
the
name
on
the
building.
Permit
is
right,
but
having
said
that,
the
the
property
is
a
large
sprawling
ranch
style
home.
The
original
permit
notes
that
it
was
a
frame
and
stucco
property.
B
However,
from
your
site
visits
on
this
property,
you
notice
that
there
were
many
other
materials
that
now
exist
on
the
front
of
the
house.
There's
brick
and
some
stone
there's
also
some
stucco
and
wood
board
and
batten
on
the
back,
there's
a
separate
small
guest
unit
or
casita
on
the
property.
B
We
evaluated
this
project
again
through
the
criteria
for
class
1
or
class
2
designation,
and
we
did
not
again
find
anything
about
this
particular
home
that
was
sufficiently
noteworthy
or
exemplary.
B
That
would
cause
us
to
recommend
that
it
be
stayed
from
the
demolition
and
moved
forward
for
possible
redesignation,
and
so,
as
with
the
last
one,
our
recommendation
on
this
is
that
the
hspb
take
no
action
and
allow
the
applicant
to
proceed
with
the
demolition
of
the
home.
B
Now
mr
gelhart
is
here
on
the
screen
with
us,
and
I
don't
know
if
there's
anybody
else
with
us
representing
the
owner,
but
he
is
here
and
can
answer
any
further
questions
that
you
may
have
and
I'm
of
course
available
to
answer
questions
you
may
have
as
well.
Thank
you.
C
Okay,
so
I'd
like
to
welcome
mr
gelhardt,
you
have
three
minutes.
If
you
would
like
to
share
anything
more
about
the
project
for
the
board's
consideration,
I
welcome
you.
A
I
certainly
don't
need
three
minutes.
I
I
really
don't
have
anything
to
add.
I
think
we
had
a
pretty
productive
couple
of
site
visits.
You've
seen
the
property.
I
really
don't
have
anything
to
add,
but
thank
you
for
the
opportunity.
C
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
presence
and
does
anyone
have
any
questions
of
the
applicant
any
questions?
This
is
the
time
questions.
C
Okay,
so
seeing
no
questions,
may
I
have
a
motion,
please,
okay,
mr
nelson,
your
motion.
G
So
again
for
the
record,
because
ken
did
point
it
out,
but
there
was
an
article
that
was
included
in
the
packet,
which
I
don't
know
if
everyone
got
the
chance
to
read,
but
it
worked
again
dating
for
the
record
the
most
important
points
in
that
article-
and
I
just
want
to
mention
that
arthur
wright
was
a
resident
of
pumpkin
beginning
in
1934
and
was
associated
with
the
construction
of
many
commercial
and
residential
buildings
in
the
village
over
a
hundred,
I
believe
and
was
also
associate
contractor
and
superintendent
of
the
sunset
tower
apartments
and
building,
which
is
now
the
home
of
ernest
coffee
and
the
twist
and
formerly
done
the
beach
company,
the
general
contractor
of
this
house
that
is
before
us
at
this
time.
G
G
He
has
supervised
the
arcade
building,
which
is
now
part
of
town
and
country
center.
The
original
plumbing
biltmore
hotel,
which
was
demolished
and
is
now
the
biltmore
condominium,
the
original
jewish
temple,
which
we
now
know
is
temple
ivea.
G
The
addition
to
the
water
and
telephone
building
and
various
others-
and
it
is
worth
noting
that
the
weinbergers
lived
prior
to
the
south
at
416
hormone
supplex
or
excuse
me
not
that
one-
the
the
the
house
at
the
other
end
of
home,
of
the
place
which
was
later
on
by
donald
duncan,
which
is
the
largest
single-family
residence
in
old
oklahoma.
So
it
was
an
important
builder
in
the
area
and
it
was
an
important
river.
G
So
they
were
both
historically
prominent
figures
in
the
community
during
the
time
that
they
lived.
And
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say,
and
with
that
I
will
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
application.
C
Okay,
so
we
have
a
motion
by
mr
nelson,
a
second
by
mr
kaiser.
Is
there
any
further
comments
or
discussion.
B
C
Okay,
saying
none,
I
will
call
the
question
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye.
C
C
So
can
mr
lyon,
would
you
like
to
lead
that
discussion.
B
Certainly-
and
you
pretty
much
summed
it
up
and
teed
it
up
quite
nicely
there,
as
noted
in
your
packet,
I've
put
a
brief
cover
letter
on
top
of
this.
What
the
hsp,
I'm
sorry
the
palm
springs
preservation
foundation
is
asking
of.
You
today
is
to
consider
amending
your
work
plan.
B
As
you
all
pretty
much
know,
and
I
believe
new
members
may
be
familiar
each
year,
you
do
put
together
your
annual
work
plan,
which
includes
education
and
outreach
and
those
sites
which
you're
interested
in
considering
working
toward
possibly
making
a
recommendation
for
historic
designation
to
the
city
council.
B
In
your
last
work
plan
this
building
during
the
1920
work
plan
period.
This
was
on
the
work
plan
list.
I
believe
it
was
the
sixth
priority
in
that
that
year's
work
plan.
B
As
you
looked
at
this,
the
work
plan
for
2021
this
building
was
again
considered
and
I
believe,
as
the
letter
from
pspf
reflects,
I
believe
there
was
discussion
at
that
time
that
it
might
be
coming
in
as
a
private
nomination,
and
so
the
board
at
that
time
did
not,
with
the
current
work
plan,
keep
it
on
as
a
priority.
B
I've
included
in
your
packet
the
work
plan,
that's
a
copy
of
the
minutes
from
those
meetings
at
which
the
work
plans
were
approved,
so
I've
got
in
your
packet
on
this
particular
item.
The
last
two
pages
are
excerpts
of
the
minutes,
which
show
the
work
plans
for
those
couple
of
years.
B
There
was
also,
as
I
had
forwarded
to
you,
a
public
comment
letter
from
an
individual
in
the
community,
recommending
that
the
board
amend
its
work
plan,
and
that
was
the
same
comment
that
miss
sikhoi
jensen
also
was
recommending
or
requesting
of
you.
So
what
you
would
need
to
do
on
this
is
understand
what
your
current
work
plan
is.
Now
we
are
currently
we've
made
it
through
a
little
bit
of
progress.
B
You
know
the
good
news,
I
guess
on
the
work
plan
is
when
there
isn't
enough
staff
time
to
process
the
board's
work
plan.
It
means
we're
getting
a
lot
of
applications
from
the
public
and
that's
a
good
thing.
We,
of
course,
from
the
last
session
have
worked
through
and
made
the
nomination
of
the
las
palmas
liquor
store
building
and
we
have
professional
services.
B
B
Those
properties
that
we
have
not
yet
begun,
of
course,
are
the
gas
company
building
the
willard
martin
residents,
fire
station
number,
four
and,
of
course,
karakia,
which
I'm
about
to
send
those
proposals
out
for
so
the
board's
action
on
this
one
would
be
to
consider
the
request
from
pspf,
and
if
you
choose
to
move
forward
with
amending
your
work
plan,
it
would
be
put
on
your
work
plan,
and
I
would
ask
also
that
you
guys
look
at
it
in
terms
of
where
would
you
put
it
in
the
priority
on
your
work
plan,
because
I
try
to
work
through
these
with
you
in
the
order
that
you
have
prioritized
them.
B
So
that
would
be
what
your
action
would
be
today
is
to
consider
their
request.
Look
at
the
work
plan
that
you
have
decide
whether
or
not
you
would
like
to
amend
your
work
plan
to
include
it
in
this
year's
work
plan,
or
you
could
also
say
this
is
one
that
we're
interested
in.
We
would
be
considering
putting
it
on
the
next
year's
work
plan.
So
those
are
your
options
or
you
could
simply
say.
B
You
know
this
is
a
interesting
site,
but
we
don't
wish
to
make
it
one
of
our
priorities
at
this
time.
I
will
note
in
your
application,
materials
or
the
packet
on
this
particular
one
the
owner
has
is
not
in
support
of
a
historic
designation
on
this
pspf
have
reached
out
to
the
building
owner's
representative.
B
I
have
done
the
same
and
you
can
see
the
response
from
the
owner's
representative
in
which
they
do
not
wish
to
pursue
a
historic
designation.
B
B
Now
you've
got
a
bit
of
an
awkward
situation
here,
in
which
you
have
a
private
organization
who
have
approached
the
owner,
trying
to
encourage
them
to
seek
designation
and
the
owner
does
not
wish
to
do
so.
So
we
will
continue
to
reach
out
to
the
owner
and
notify
them
of
whatever
actions
you
take
tonight
and
then,
as
it
goes
into
its
public
hearings.
If
it
does
go
in
that
direction,
we
would
continue
to
notify
the
owners
representative
of
those
public
hearings.
B
It
is
possible
that
they
would
continue
to
oppose
the
application
throughout
the
entire
process.
So
you
just
want
to
be
aware
of
that.
As
you
wrestle
with
this
question,
okay
and
then
I'll
I'll,
let
you
answer
any
question
or
have
any
questions
you
may
have
of
me.
H
He
has
to
give
a
little
bit
of
background
for
our
new
board
members
anyways.
I
sit
on
the
palm
springs,
preservation
foundation
board
as
well,
and
so
I've
kind
of
been
privy
to
all
of
this
about
a
year
ago,
or
so
it
was
one
of
these
zoom
meetings.
H
I
remember
when
we
discussed
our
list
initially,
and
I
was
the
one
that
mentioned
to
this
board
here-
that
pspf
was
already
pursuing
the
union
bank
building
and
we
were
all
quite
excited
because
it
was
fun
that
the
hspp
wouldn't
have
to
pay,
for.
We
were
having
that
budget
crunch
due
to
all
the
covid
tax
money
going
away
whatever.
So
we
were
all
kind
of
happily
surprised
that
that
was
being
taken
over
by
pspf
and
it's
my
understanding.
H
The
work
on
the
application
is
basically
completed
by
ms
sukhoi
jensen
already
and
is
ready
for
submission.
So
my
question,
maybe
to
ken
initially,
is
if
the
work
has
been
done.
Why
can't
hspb
use
pspf's
completed
application?
H
We
don't
need
to
reach
out
to
another
organization
to
pay
for
that.
A
new,
a
new
nomination,
given
the
fact
that
you
know
the
work
has
been
done
already,
and
we
were
just
happy
that
someone
else
was
actually
doing
the
work
for
us.
D
Yeah
I
have
a
couple
questions
of
staff.
There
are
on
the
list
now,
five
properties.
Are
you
suggesting
I
mean?
Is
there
a
cap
of
five?
Are
you
suggesting
we
add
a
sixth
and
then
decide
where
it
would
go
in
in
the
you
know
the
priority
list,
because
there's
one
there's
two
twos
a
three
and
a
four,
so
you
are
handling
these
in
the
order
in
which
they
were
ranked
on
this
plan.
Correct,
yes,.
B
When,
when
the
board
considers
options
and-
and
you
guys
all
kind
of
throw
everything
into
a
big
pot,
I
then
put
that
together
in
a
list,
and
I
ask
the
board
members
to
rank
them.
Tell
me
what
is
your
first
priority?
Second,
third,
fourth
and
fifth:
if
we've
got
ten
items
on
the
list,
I
ask
you
all
to
rank
those
ten
and
then,
through
that
ranking
process,
there's
a
group
of
them
that
begin
to
sort
of
come
to
the
top
we
put
together
roughly
five
or
six
per
year,
there's
nothing
magic
about
the
number.
B
So
you
could,
if
you
wish
to
do
so,
put
this
on
your
work
plan
for
this
year
or
you
could
take
things
off
in
order
to
put
this
one
on,
or
you
could
put
this
one
on
the
bottom,
you
could
put
it
anywhere.
You
want
keep
in
mind,
of
course,
that
I
do
have
consultants
working
on
the
ones
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
So
you
really
have
some
flexibility
in
this.
D
So
then
things
generally,
you
know
like
on
this
list
three
and
or
four
may
end
up
rolling
over
into
the
next
work
plan.
You
could
and
are
these
are
the
work
plans
established.
I
see
the
the
date
on
here.
I
actually
was
listening
in
on
that
meeting,
so
I
do
recall
the
discussion,
but
so
would
it
be
october
of
every
year
the
work
plan
is
approved.
B
Well,
I
usually
try
to
bring
this
up
as
early
as
I
can,
or
the
city's
fiscal
year
of
course
begins
july
1st
and
so
in
a
perfect
world.
I
usually
try
to
have
you
guys
working
on
this
through
the
summer,
but
you
know
things
lag,
and
so
you
guys
got
to
it
this
year.
I
think
in
october,
but
yes,
generally
in
that
time
of
year,.
D
And
so
to
continue
on
board
member
rosenow's
comments
if
the
nomination
is
already
prepared
so
that
the
city
doesn't
have
to
fund.
C
D
F
F
B
Are
different
cities
around
california
and
around
the
country
who
have
different
requirements
for
their
applications
to
be
received?
Some
cities
do
not
require
owner
consent
in
the
past,
palm
springs
did
not
require
owner
consent
and
there
are
other
cities
who
do
require
owner
consent,
and
there
has
been
case
law
supporting
both
approaches.
B
H
Now,
yeah
it's
going
back
kind
of
taking
where
jade
was
going
with
that
I
I
guess
I
understand
that
when
mr
lyons
said
that
the
ordinance
changed
in
2019,
I
just
kind
of
want
to
revisit
some
of
the
past
preservation,
successes,
town
and
country
center,
the
santa
fe
savings
alone,
the
the
capture
plaza
or
was
takwitz
plaza
back
then
that
were
buildings
that
had
no
owner
support
for
it,
and
some
of
these
were
very
definitely
threatened.
There
would
be
only
one
one
quarter
of
the
tacowitz
plaza
still
existing.
H
There
would
be
nothing
of
the
town
and
country
had
these
community
community
generated
nominations
not
come
through,
and
so
this
is
probably
a
point
for
a
bigger
discussion
down
the
road,
but
we
just
need
to
remember
that
owner,
especially
with
these
commercial
buildings,
owner
support
is
often
not
there
on
on
threatened
buildings.
D
So
if,
if
I
think
I'm
understanding
correctly,
mr
lyon,
you
said
that
one
and
two
on
this
list,
the
priority
list
now
are
already
in
process
correct.
B
D
E
Question
a
question
I
think
for
staff:
I
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
gas
company
building.
Although
I've
seen
that
reference.
What
building
is
that
and
where
is
it
located.
B
E
I'm
that's
what
I
was
expecting
you
to
say
so
what
I
would
hope
that
we
would
do
in
factoring
in
whether
or
not
we
want
to
move
the
union
bank
onto
the
list,
and
I
have
no
objection.
I
think
it's
a
great
building
in
my
mind.
It's
does
it
go
now,
or
do
we
prioritize
it
for
our
next
round
of
lists?
E
Yet
at
least
that's
my
assumption,
based
on
the
fact
that
it's
an
operating
bank,
whereas
the
gas
company
building,
I
think
it's
got
a
for
sale,
sign
and,
and
is
that
potentially
more
likely
to
feel
the
pressure
to
be
torn
down
such
that
we
don't
want
to
de-prioritize
that
in
favor
of
the
union
bank
that
just
throwing
those
ideas
out
there,
I
would
hate
to
lose
the
gas
company
building,
if
that
were
to
fall
lower
on
the
priority
list,
for
something
that
isn't
feeling
the
development
pressure
right
now.
C
B
You
you
have
some
some
safety
valves
in
place,
even
if
an
owner
of
the
gas
company
building
were
to
come
forward
requesting
to
scrape
it
just
like
you
saw
recently
in
the
class
three
and
class
four
buildings
that
you've
considered.
That
would
have
to
come
before
the
board.
Okay,
believe
I'm!
I
don't
have
the
list
in
front
of
me.
E
Just
to
follow
up
briefly,
I
assume
there's
the
fire
station
number
four,
there's
no
pressure
on
that
one
to
be
turned
into
something
since
the
city
presumably
owns
it.
I
assume
so
that's
one
that
I'm
not
so
worried
about
at
this
point.
If
we
were
to
want
to
move
something
else
onto
that
list,.
G
Yeah.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
list
that
some
have
been
referring
to
here
was
for
the
work
plan
of
2019-2020,
which
started
with
left
homeless,
liquors
and
ended
with
the
animal
hospital
that
was
a
a
list
of
10,
and
that
was
in
july
of
2019
and
then
in
october
of
2020.
G
We
came
up
with
a
new
list
for
this
this
book
year,
and
that
was
five
and
that
was
corruption,
arabia,
derby,
gas,
company
building,
building
willard
martin
residents
and
fire
station
number
four.
I
personally
think
that
we
should
move
fire
station
number
four
to
next
year's
book
plan
and
replace
it
with
union
bank.
G
I
do
believe
that
the
gas
company
building
should
stay
as
a
third
priority,
because
it
has
actually
sold
and
it
is
endangered
and
it
is
a
very
unique
rare
example
of
ricciardi's
work,
and
we
felt
he
was
a
local
architect
here
who
was
prominent
in
the
70s
and
it's
in
danger
of
being
changed.
G
Obviously
it
will
be
flagged
and
hopefully
we'll
come
to
the
board
for
review
if
the
new
owner
proposes
any
exterior
changes,
but
being
that
it
has
100
percent
of
the
original
exterior
architectural
integrity,
I
think
it's
still
a
very
important
building
and
that
we
should
keep
it
at
number
three.
G
So
that
would
be
my
proposition
for
how
to
handle
this
today.
A
I
don't
see
any
downside
in
changing
our
plan.
This
is
already
written
up.
This
could
move
forward
more
quickly,
whatever
level
it
falls
in
it
doesn't
cost
the
city
any
money,
which
is
always
one
of
the
biggest
things
that
we
have
to
consider
with
that
list
like
how
many,
how
much
money
do
we
have
or
don't
have,
and
we
really
don't
have
I
mean
that's
the
reality
of
it.
A
D
G
I
do
have
one
additional
comment
just
to
correct
the
record.
I
bank,
at
this
bank
union
bank
of
california
presently
and
have
been
there
for
over
15
years,
and
it
is
really
an
excellent
wonderful
bank.
I
remember
when
it
was
the
palm
springs
player,
which
was
the
theater
where
it
had
large
plays,
and
that
was
in
between
its
two
laws
of
the
bank
and
to
collect
the
record.
G
G
So
maybe
she
later
moved
on
to
the
bank
in
question
today
and
they
continued
their
dally
and
their
flotation
and
affair,
but
they
actually
met
at
the
cathedral
city
bank
branch
on
highway
111
and
my
mom
was
in
line
behind
jackie
archery,
when
this
was
all
going
on
on
one
of
these
many
occasions.
So
there
you
have
it.
B
Just
a
point
of
of
consideration:
if
you
receive
this
report,
if
you
decide
you
wish
to
put
this
on
your
priorities
list,
it's
going
to
be
processed
by
staff,
if
you,
if
you
specifically
slot
it
in
after
some
other
things,
I
mean.
Obviously
I've
got
a
couple
of
them
already
in
place,
so
karakia
and
arabi
are
probably
going
to
still
both
push
forward
prior
to
this
one.
B
But
if
you,
if
you
bring
this
one
in
at
something
below
the
gas
company
building,
it's
going
to
sit
here
at
city
hall
until
we
have
resources
to
pick
it
up
and
carry
it
forward,
and
so
it
will
also
sit
here
until
we
have
staff
resources
to
do
the
gas
company
building.
If
you
choose
to
put
it
as
a
priority
below
the
gas
company
building.
So
how
you
choose
to
prioritize
this
will
also
affect
when
we
are
able,
at
a
staff
level
to
begin
to
get
this
prepared
for
your
consideration.
C
So
I
I
would
agree
that
we
should
proceed
with
the
projects
that
are
ready.
You
know,
rather
than
you
know,
putting
it
on
the
shelf.
I
mean
that
doesn't
make
any
sense.
I
think
we
need
to
move
forward
with
those
that
you
have
mentioned
that
are
ready
to
move
forward
without
sitting,
and
I
kind
of
think
we're
pretty
much
in
agreement.
Mr
nelson.
G
Yeah
one
more
comment
regarding
that
so
because
the
owner
of
the
bank
is
not
in
support
and
we
pretty
much
have
a
nomination
ready
to
go,
would
this
be
something
that
would
be
agenda
for
our
next
meeting
or
do
we
have
to
receive
the
nomination
at
the
next
meeting
and
then
wait
another
month
to
have
the
public
hearing
and.
G
B
I
have
to
look
at
my
workload
to
determine
how
soon
I
can
prepare
this
for
you
and
we
have
a
holiday
happening
in
this
coming
month
as
well
with
the
fourth
of
july,
but
I
I
I
can't
answer
the
question
with
certainty
as
to
when
I
can
have
it
ready
for
you,
but
if
you
say
that
this
is
going
to
be
one
that
you
want
to
have
happen
after
the
ones
we're
working
on
right
now,
I
can
start
working
on
it
as
we
would
normally
do.
B
G
So
that
was
kind
of
a
three-part
question
so
now
that
I've
gotten
that
answer,
the
third
part
is
the
reason
I
asked
it
so
clearly
it's
now
going
to
take
some
time,
probably
at
least
two
months,
and
so
this
leads
me
to
wonder
about
the
the
possibility
that
the
owner
might
pursue
some
type
of
action
or
legal
avenue
to
prevent.
G
From
hearing
this-
and
you
know
to
prepare
their
case,
that
they
don't
want
it
designated,
and
so
you
know
I'm
just
a
little
concerned
about
you
know
how
our
ordinary
you
know
was
written,
that
you
know
property
without
owner
consent,
typically
aren't
for
designation
by
council
and
in
the
past,
when
we've
had
a
very
strong
majority
encounter
for
historic
preservation.
I'm
just
concerned
about
how
this
might
play
out
moving
forward,
giving
the
timing
issue
and
whether
or
not
staff
can
speak
to
that
a
little
bit
more.
B
Can
you
help
me
understand
a
little
bit
what
your
what
your
concerns?
Are
you
mean
if
the,
if
you
were
to
not
be
able
to
hear
this
right
away
and
the
owner
continued
to
not
support
the
designation
you're
concerned
that
they
would
then
go
all
the
way
to
the
city
council
with
that
request
to
oppose
it?
Is
that
what
you're
saying
yeah.
G
That's
what
I'm
saying
so,
if,
if
they
were
able
to
get
a
lawyer,
for
example,
involved
and
send
a
letter
to
council,
would
that
then
prevent
us
from
hearing
the
nomination?
If
the
council
sided
with
them
or
how
would
that
work?
Would
I
have
to
go
through
multiple
avenues
before
I
went
through
the
council,
I'm
just
a
little
murky
or
unclear
about
how
that
might
all
go
down.
B
Yeah-
and
I
am
too
I
don't
know
what
the
legal
answer
is,
you
know:
could
an
owner
seek
some
kind
of
injunction
to
stop
a
city
action?
That's
a
question
that
I
would
need
to
pose
to
the
city
attorney.
If
the
board
were
to
put
this
on
your
work
plan
and
move
it
forward
with
a
recommendation,
the
owner
could
oppose
that
nomination
all
the
way
through
to
city
council.
B
So
you
have
that
as
a
possibility.
Yes,.
A
So
I
don't
anticipate
that
there's
anything
that
the
applicant
could
do
other
than
offer
their
objections
to
the
actions
being
taken
by
the
historic
site,
preservation
board
or
the
city
council,
but
again
the
whole
point
in
the
city
doing
this
is
number
one.
We've
established
a
public
purpose
for
its
preservation
and
number
two
we've
gone
through
all
legal
avenues
in
terms
of
notification
to
the
property
owner,
so
it
protects
the
city's
actions
on
both
fronts.
G
Great
thank
you
that
that
really
answers
my
question
and
really
kind
of
think
clarified
and
clears
up
a
lot
of
concerns
that
many
of
us
may
have
had.
So
in
that
case,
I
would
make
a
motion
that
we
make
the
union
bank
number
three
on
our
work
plan,
which
effectively
would
now
be
the
most
important
thing,
because
we've
already
started
on
korakia
and
the
adobe
rock
house,
according
to
mr
lyon,
so
that
would
shift
the
gas
company
down
and
then
make
the
molten
residence
the
last
one
on
the
current
work
plan.
D
C
Okay,
okay,
is
everyone
clear
with
the
motion
made
by
mr
nelson
and
second
by
ms
hansen?
Is
there
any
other
discussion
about
that?
One.
E
Question
under
discussion
on
the
motion
just
one
more
question
for
mr
lyon,
if
the
gas
company
were
to
come
in
in
the
interim
with
a
proposal
or
the
new
owner
of
the
gas
company
site,
come
in
with
an
with
a
an
application
to
demolish
or
do
some
other
alteration,
that's
not
gonna
be
precluded
from
action
from
us,
because
we've
moved
union
bank
up
right,
we'll
be
able
to
do
both
or
we'll
be
able
to
take
appropriate
action
to
stay
any
proposal
there
without
jeopardizing.
E
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
if,
if,
if,
if
the
gas
company
comes
in
in
the
interim,
while
we're
making
efforts
on
the
union
bank
designation,
we're
not
going
to
be
precluded
from
taking
quick
action
on
the
gas
company
site
right.
B
Yeah,
the
gas
company
site
would
be
processed
as
it
is.
I
get
I
can
confirm
before
we
conclude
this
meeting
and
just
looking
in
the
class
three
list.
I
believe
it's
class
three,
so
you
have
in
your
ordinance
procedures
for
alterations
to
class
three
and
class
four
sites.
Some
of
them.
I
have
authority
as
the
hpo
to
process
those
alteration,
requests
and
others,
depending
on
how
much
is
being
proposed
to
be
altered
would
come
before
the
board.
C
C
And
any
opposed
okay
motion
passes
six
to
zero.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
good
discussion.
So
next
we're
going
to
that.
I
believe
that
commit
completes
today's
agenda.
C
So
next
are
comments
from
the
board
and
I
would
just
like
to
begin
by
saying
you
know
how
great
the
preservation
matters
symposium
is
doing
and
people
are
still
watching
it
and
I'm
still
hearing
about
it
and
it's
just
such
a
a
fabulous
project
that
I
think
we
need
to
get
started
in
planning
next
year,
and
so
I
would
like
to
establish
a
subcommittee
for
the
2022
preservation
matters
symposium
and
mostly
to
carry
on
the
great
work
that
dick
perquette
has
done
for
many
many
years
and
and
hope
that
he
can
offer
us
some.
C
A
Still
got
them
here
and
I've
still
got
all
the
contacts
we
had
a
dozen
tours
in
person
lined
up
for
last
year,
and
we
were
just
getting
to
the
point
of
doing
the
after
party,
which
I
had
gotten
agreement
from
o'donnell
club
to
do,
and
that's
still
my
goal
to
have
new
tours,
take
some
of
these
old
ones
and
to
get
our
final
event
at
o'donnell
right
now.
You
know
which
is
now
a
class
one
historic
site,
and
this
will
be
the
last
the
last
symposium
that
I
will
be
on
this
board
yeah.
So.
C
I
would
like
you
to
we:
we
need
you
to
follow
through
with
your
your
good
work,
and
so
I
would
like
another
volunteer
to
be
on
the
subcommittee,
mr
nelson.
C
Would
be
excellent
and
then
and
then
we'll
have
dick
parquet
help
us
any
anyone
else
can
always
give
us.
Ms.
D
Hanson
yeah,
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
I'm,
assuming
you
can't
have
more
than
a
certain
amount,
so
we
don't
have
a
core
I'm
working
on
it,
but
if
there's
any
subcommittees
or
you
know
whatever-
I
don't
know
as
much
about
palm
springs
as
you
all
do,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
help
out
if
you
think
there's
the
way
that
I
could.
C
B
C
Okay,
so
we'll
go
with
those
three
and
then
miss
hanson.
I
will
ask
for
your
advice
on
something
just
keep
me
in
mind.
Yes,
absolutely.
A
C
It's
a
lot
of
hand
holding
too
yeah
and
holding
so
it
takes
a
huge
team.
So,
okay,
so
we'll
we'll
we'll
get
working
on
that,
and-
and
I
thank
you
for
that-
are
there
any
other
board
member
member
comments,
mr
nelson.
G
Yes,
I
will
try
to
keep
these
briefs.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
be
part
of
that
subcommittee.
I
know
we
have
big
truth
to
phil,
but
I'm
confident
that
we
can
meet
that
goal
together
and
I
wanted
to
bring
up
two
things
I
heard
through
the
grapevine.
G
It
was
brought
to
my
attention
that
the
classroom
fight
of
bank
of
america
at
the
intersection
of
palm
canyon,
driving
indian
canyon,
drive,
1959
rudy,
baumfeld,
victor
groon,
and
a
fellowship
with
the
blue
mote
glass
tile
come
to
my
attention
that
the
bank
plans
to
do
alteration.
G
G
So
I
guess
my
question
is
really
is
the
way
that
this
board,
through
the
city
can
create
an
updated
booklet,
because
we
used
to
sell
this
at
the
counter
of
the
planning
department
and
before
that
was
a
wonderful
little
booklet
that
a
previous
hspb
created
when
tracy
conrad
was
a
member
of
that
board
and
it
was
a
little
booklet
about
the
designated
site
the
classroom
set,
and
it
was
such
a
wonderful
little
resource
and
people
who
come
to
the
planning
desk,
whether
they
were
locals
or
visitors.
G
Or
you
know,
residents
or
planners
or
architects
they'd
see
that
booklet
and
it
was
for
sale
and
they
could
buy
it.
It
was
such
a
treasure
trove
of
information
and
back
well.
We
have
a
lot
more
classroom
sites
now
than
we
did
back
then
so,
and
I
I
don't
know
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
would.
I
would
think
that
when
we
had
that
and
we
were
selling
it,
some
of
that
money
must
have
benefited
the
city
or
historic
preservation
or
the
estrict
db.
G
B
Well,
yes,
we
have
been
contacted
by
city
national
bank
and
yes,
they
are
looking
at
doing
some
renovations
to
the
building.
They
have
had
some
conversations
with
me
and
I
have
provided
them
with
some
historic
information
that
we
have
from
the
archives
on
the
building.
It
sounds
to
me
from
the
preliminary
conversations
that
I've
had
with
them
that
there
is
interest
actually
in
the
bank
to
actually
undo
some
of
the
rather
heavy-handed
renovations
that
have
been
done
in
the
bank
in
the
past
few
years.
B
B
B
There
had
been
an
old
drinking
fountain
there
and
it
was
integrated
with
the
mosaic
tile
and
the
scale
and
when
they
had
to
make
accessibility
improvements,
the
the
new
drinking
fountains
were
just
kind
of
smashed
onto
the
old
mosaic
tile,
so
it
looks
like
they're
looking
to
do
some
restorative
work
on
the
interior
of
the
bank
they're
also
looking
at
possibly
doing
some
minor
modifications
on
the
exterior
of
the
bank
with
regard
to
signage
and
the
current
sign
application
was
done
many
years
ago,
and
I
explained
to
them
that
again
signage
on
something
like
this
would
come
back
before
the
board
if
they're
going
to
make
changes.
B
So
I
am
cautiously
optimistic
that
the
work
that
the
bank
is
looking
at
at
this
time
appears
to
be
in
a
very
positive
direction.
There
have
been
other
minor
things
that
have
happened
on
the
site
in
the
last
few
years
toward
the
northerly
end
of
the
site.
They
installed
some
electric
charging
stations,
which
we
process
at
a
staff
level
and
at
the
last
time
that
the
hspb
considered
a
certificate
of
approval
on
this
project.
B
There
was
an
effort
to
do
some
re-lamping
of
the
soffit
lights
that
are
under
that
big
canopy,
and
also
we
had
encouraged
them
to
remove
a
lot
of
surface-mounted
conduit
and
things
that
had
gone
on
to
that
remote
teller
station
island.
That's
there
so,
overall,
the
bank
seems
to
be
moving
in
a
good
direction
in
terms
of
what
their
proposed
scope
of
work
is,
but
we
have
not
received
an
application
yet
formally
from
the
bank
with
respect
to
the
the
pspf
book,
we
actually
did
not
sell
that
here
at
the
counter.
B
I
think
it
was
available
at
the
city's
visitor
center
up
at
the
tramway
gas
station,
but
we
did
not
have
it
available
here
at
the
counter,
the
the
other
previous
one
that
was
actually
created
by
the
city
you
mentioned
when
tracy
conrad
was
on
the
board
jade
we
did
sell
that
it
became
kind
of
obsolete,
and
I
have
the
word
document
on
my
computer
that
I
have
had
as
part
of
my
work
plan
as
things
that
I
wanted
to
try
to
get
redone.
B
We
used
to
publish
that
when
we
had
a
print
shop
here
at
the
city.
We
don't
have
that
anymore
and
the
cost
that
was
associated
with
the
purchase
of
that
thing,
which
was
like
a
buck
and
a
half
or
something
like
that
was
designed
to
cover
the
city's
cost.
So
there
was
no
money
gathered
or
acquired
through
the
sale
of
those
little
brochures.
B
But
yes,
it's
been
something
on
my
back
burner
to-do
list
that
I'd
like
to
bring
that
thing
forward
and
update
it
and
and
get
it
reissued.
If
we
could
so
it'd.
B
To
do,
or
maybe
one
that
we
turn
to
somebody
like
pspf
and
say
if
they
want
to
do
another
tribute
journal.
Those
little
tribute
journals
that
they've
done
are
well
received
by
the
public.
But
those
are
their
own.
Publications
and
they've
been
gracious
enough
to
provide
them
to
the
city
and
to
board
members
when
they
produce
them,
but
they're,
not
ones
that
we
sell.
H
Just
doesn't
assign
to
that
the
the
bucket
that
we
have
the
architecture.
100
has
all
of
the
class
one
buildings
up
to
the
print
date,
which
was
about
two
or
three
years
ago
or
so
give
or
take
so.
G
G
Thank
you
to
miss
linda
dixon,
who
has
turned
out,
and
today
I
think,
was
supposed
to
be
her
last
hspb
meeting
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
on
that,
but
she
has
been
a
wonderful
aspect
to
the
hspb
and
we
will
miss
her
and
her
smile
and
her
wonderful,
delightful
observations
and
quirky
questions.
B
In
answer
to
member
nelson's
questions,
if
the
city
does
produce
something
like
those
brochures,
we
are,
I
believe,
restricted
to
only
be
able
to
charge
the
cost
that
it
took
the
city
to
produce
them.
B
Yes,
I
think
I've
communicated
to
the
board
that
if
you
remember
some
years
ago,
the
city
council
designated
the
crocker
citizens,
national
bank
at
1711,
east
palm
canyon
drive
as
a
class
one
historic
site
and
we
immediately
got
sued
and
we
lost,
and
so
the
court
has
ordered
that
the
city
remove
the
class
1
designation
and
allow
the
demolition
application
to
be
submitted
and
processed.
B
So
we're
preparing
that
for
consideration
by
the
city
council.
I
believe
at
the
june
24th
city
council
meeting,
so
just
to
bring
you
up
to
speed
on
that.
One.
B
1711,
1711,
east
palm
canyon
drive
it's
the
bank,
that's
right
there
by
smoke,
tree
village,
it's
on
the
westerly
side
of
smoke-free
village.
B
I
had
something
else
and
I
guess
right
now:
it's
escaped
my
head.
So
I'll
I'll
leave
it
at
that
flynn.
Did
you
have
any
comments
you
wanted
to
provide.
A
Just
briefly,
while
the
city
hall
is
now
open
to
members
of
the
public,
there
has
been
no
direction
given
by
the
city
council
as
to
whether
or
not
our
board
and
commission
meetings
will
come
back
to
in-person
meetings.
So,
for
the
time
being,
we
will
continue
with
the
zoom
format
for
our
board
and
commission
meetings.
C
Okay,
so
having
no
more
comments
or
discussions,
the
historic
site
preservation
board
will
adjourn
today
at
701
to
its
regularly
scheduled
meeting
on
tuesday
july
6
2021
at
5
30
pm
on
zoom.
C
So,
thanks
to
all
for
your
participation,
it
was
a
great
meeting
and
and
really
enjoyed
and
look
forward
to
continuing
with
this
great
team.