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A
All
right
it
is
may
18th
and
it
is
5
33
p.m.
This
is
the
may
meeting
of
the
sustainability
commission.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
our
chair
roy
clark.
B
E
C
A
And
tracy,
I
did
think,
did
we
hear
from
jennifer
that
she
was
not
going
to
be
able
to
make
it
tonight.
B
It
appears
that
we
may
have
one
or
two
visitors
here
tonight:
tracy.
Could
you
ask
the
visitors
to
identify
themselves
and
their
city
or
organizational
affiliation
for
the
record.
C
Yes,
mr
talkington,
can
you
introduce
yourself
yeah?
This
is
mark,
I'm
I
put
together
a
neighborhood
newsletter
called
the
palm
springs
post,
so
I'm
just
here
to
watch
and
report
on
the
leaf
blower
thing.
If
you
guys
bring
that
up.
Wonderful,
welcome.
B
Thank
you
welcome,
mark
and
welcome
to
all
the
commissioners
or
our
visitor.
There
will
be
a
time
for
public
comment
later
in
the
meeting.
If
you'd
like
to
speak,
I'd,
ask
everybody
to
keep
your
microphones
muted
during
the
meeting
and
then
raise
your
hand
to
be
called
to
speak
and
then
unmute
your
microphone.
Sometimes
that
doesn't
work
very
well,
because
we
can't
see
everybody
all
at
the
same
time.
B
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
I'd
like
fight
this
a
little
bit
based
upon
the
way
it's
done
in
some
other
meetings,
rather
than
having
a
motion
to
accept
in
a
discussion
and
a
vote.
I'd
like
to
ask
if
there
are
any
objections,
objections
to
the
agenda
which
was
emailed
and
posted
last
thursday
may
13th,
and
if
there
are
none,
then
we
will
accept
the
agenda.
B
Hearing
no
objections:
the
agenda
is
accepted
and
now
we'll
move
on
to
staff
comments.
Patrick
covered
a
number
of
things
in
his
memo
in
the
agenda
packet.
A
B
B
There
are
none
moving
along,
there
are
no
presentations
scheduled,
and
the
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
the
meeting
minutes
which
were
emailed
and
posted
on
thursday
may
13th,
and
I'd
like
to
go
through
the
same
processes
with
the
agenda.
Are
there
any
objections
to
the
meeting
minutes
or
corrections.
A
Patrick
or
thank
you
so
the
first
item
on
the
old
business
list
is
leaf,
lower
ordinance
enhancement
discussion.
So
I
wanted
to
talk
with
the
commission
a
little
bit
about
lethal
reinforcement
and
potential
enhancements
to
the
process.
We
have
talked
about
this
in
the
past
and
a
few.
The
items
that
I
noted
in
the
memo
have
been
discussed
by
this
group
before
and
supported
by
you,
and
I
just
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit.
A
You
know
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
some
of
the
other
items
on
that
list
as
well,
so
we
had
an
internal
meeting
on
last
thursday
to
discuss
these
items
and
other
things
related
to
leaf
blower
enforcement,
and
so
the
conversation
really
revolved
around
the
whole
process
of
identifying
people
who
are
violating
to
writing
a
citation
to
issuing
business
licenses
to
make
sure
we
know
who
people
are-
and
I
did
a
little
bit
of
research
prior
to
that
meeting-
to
understand
how
citations
were
issued,
how
they
were
followed
up
on
in
terms
of
payment,
and
it's
clear
that
we
have
a
lot
of
improving
that
we
could
do
with
regard
to
the
enforcement
process.
A
And
so
I
wanted
to
go
through
a
couple
of
those
things
with
you
tonight
in
the
analysis
that
I
did.
As
I
stated
in
the
memo,
we
certainly
always
struggle
with
staffing
resources
when
it
comes
to
enforcement.
We
also
have
a
response
challenge
with
regard
to
leaf
blowers.
As
you
know,
it's
hard
to
get
out
to
them
in
time
to
see
them
actually
using
the
blower.
A
We've
got
had
a
lot
of
false
alarms,
especially
lately.
Some
of
them
are
actually
false
alarms.
Others
are
not
false
alarms,
but
they
appear
to
be
that
whenever
the
enforcement
person
shows
up
and
we've
got
a
number
of
challenges
related
to
capturing
information
about
violators
as
well,
so
because
all
of
them
don't
have
business
licenses,
we
can't
necessarily
refer
to
a
business
license
for
that
information
and
the
we
rely
on
the
accuracy
of
the
notes
taken
by
whoever
is
in
the
field,
and
so
sometimes
you
don't
hear
correctly.
Sometimes
you
don't
transcribe
it
correctly,
etc.
A
So
so
we
face
a
challenge
in
that
on
that
front
too,
making
sure
that
all
the
information
captured
is
accurate,
and
so
anyway,
so
we
had
some
internal
conversations
about
this
and
we've
identified
about
five
or
six
areas
that
we
think
we
could
target
for.
A
So
the
first
item
is
related
to
business
licenses.
As
I
mentioned,
a
lot
of
the
gardeners
don't
have
business
licenses.
I
think
some
of
them
out
of
concerned
about
documentation,
others
out
of
concern,
perhaps
about
taxes
or
tax
implications,
but
really
a
business
license
is
really
just
an
identifier
for
anybody
who
wants
to
do
business
in
the
city,
so
we
are
trying
to.
A
We
can
easily
encourage
everybody
to
get
a
business
license,
even
if
you're
undocumented,
you
can
still
get
a
state
id
that
you
could
provide
as
information
about
who
you
are,
even
if
you
are
undocumented.
So
so
again,
I
think
that
we
can
get
around
some
of
the
challenges
that
are
faced
there.
The
other
thing
that
came
up
in
our
conversations
was
that,
in
fact,
if
business
licenses
are
issued
to
somebody
who's
out
of
the
city,
it's
double
the
price
as
it
is
for
those
inside
the
city.
A
So
a
lot
of
our
gardeners
come
in
from
elsewhere,
so
again
they're
facing
higher
prices
than
than
other
folks
might
face.
So
I
think
what
one
of
the
things
I'm
going
to
follow
up
with
our
business
license.
Folks
about
is
number
one,
is
trying
to
identify
a
more
streamlined
process
for
our
gardeners
to
get
a
business
license
and
also
figure
out
if
there's
a
way
to
reduce
their
fee,
regardless
of
where
they
are
from.
A
So
so
it's
not
super
high,
but
but
again,
if
you're
talking
about
it,
also
has
to
do
with
the
number
of
employees.
So
it
can
go
up,
so
it
can
get
fairly
expensive
if
you're
a
larger
operation.
But
presumably
you
would
be
able
to
pay
it
if
you
were
larger,
so
the
other
thing
that
they
do,
that
was
surprising
that
they
do
actually
issue
stickers
for
businesses,
but
they're
only
about
two
inches
long,
and
so
I
don't
know
that
people
aren't
that
inclined
to
actually
use
them.
C
I
have
a
question
about
some
false
alarms
and
I've
had
a
couple
of
people.
Ask
me:
why
is
it
that
leaf
blowers
are
illegal
but
edgers
and
blower
and
mowers
and
and
and
clippers?
I
mean
all
there's
like
eight
other
things
that
are
all
gas
powered,
but
one
of
them,
that's
not
allowed
is.
Was
there
logic
behind
that
or
just
the
unlucky
luck
of
the
draw.
A
C
To
that
what
I've
noticed-
and
I
I
walk
four
times
a
day
in
the
movie
colony
and
also
las
palmas-
las
palmas
are
larger
states,
so
they
usually
pull
the
trucks
in.
You
can't
see
it,
but
this
end
of
the
movie
colony.
It's
the
crews
come
and
go,
but
they
work
for
the
contractor.
I
I
have
been
able
to
get
the
name.
It
is
not
comfortable
taking
photographs
because
I'm
surrounded
by
them-
and
it's
just
too
obvious
that
I
have
gotten
the
crews.
C
C
So
I
just
thought
you
know:
is
it
about
the
gasoline
or
is
it
about
the
the
dirt?
And
all
of
that
so,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
get
a
discreet
picture
right.
B
I'm
just
just
going
back
to
2016
the
commission
had
a
study
session
with
the
city
council
in
june.
I
believe
it
was
and
the
main
reason
for
the
study
session
was
to
approve
the
sustainability
plan.
But
at
that
meeting
the
council
explicitly
asked
the
commission
to
look
into
banning
gas-powered
leaf
blowers.
They
didn't
mention
the
other
equipment.
A
Right
so-
and
I
do
believe
that
there
is
state
level
legislation
on
this
issue-
that's
being
developed
and
it
does
sound
like
there
is
going
to
be
more
of
a
mandate
to
go
electric
for
leap,
blowers
and
lawn
mowers
and
some
other
tools
as
well
lawn
tools
as
well.
So
so
I
do
think
that
that
more
change
is
going
to
happen
here.
So
the
better
that
we
do
at
this.
I
think
the
less
traumatic
it's
going
to
be
down
the
road
for
folks
that
have
to
switch
over.
E
Patrick,
I
was
only
with
difficulty
able
to
find
where
the
business
license
information
is
on.
The
city
website
is,
is
yet
another
sort
of
burying
essential
information,
it's
under
finance
and
treasury.
But
if
you
I
mean
you
can
put
it
in
the
search
bar
business
licenses,
but
it
really
should
be
a
lot
more
user
friendly
and
second,
and
that
also
goes
to
the
next
point
about
holding
home
owners
responsible.
E
E
So
I
realize
the
website
is
always
a
work
in
progress
at
city
hall,
but
you
know,
as
the
process
gets,
you
know,
updated
and
streamlined
would
ask
that
you
look
into
making
that
information
more
available,
both
for
the
the
gardeners
and
also
for
the
homeowners,
so
that
they
can
make
sure
that
if
they're
getting
a
new
garden
or
just
you
know
every
year
that
they
could
follow
up
with
a
gardener
and
say
hey,
you
know
you.
You
know
friendly
reminder
that
you
need
to
do
that
and
also
I
recall
this
also.
E
This
can
be
linked
in
the
materials
when
we
were
working
on
the
water,
efficient,
landscaping
ordinance
back
in
2015.
There
is,
I
believe,
a
requirement
that
the
gardeners
take
a
course.
That's
been
developed
with
college
of
the
desert
for
all
of
the
the
local
water
agencies,
so
that
also
information
can
be,
can
be
posted
there
to
remind
people.
I
believe
it's
an
annual,
it's
a
requirement,
whether
it's
every
year
every
other
year,
but
I
believe
there
is
a
link
for
the
gardener's
license
that
they
take.
That
course,
okay.
A
Great
point
and
good
point
about
the
having
things
in
available
for
people
the
public
to
see.
I
didn't
necessarily
think
about
that,
but
that
is
a
good
point.
Jake
got
a
hand
up.
F
Yeah
and
it's
good
that
there's
the
piece
about
a
license,
is
there
how
do
homeowners
learn
about
the
requirements
so
that
not
only
they
could
help
us
make
sure
that
they're
hiring
people
that
use
the
appropriate
equipment?
F
That's
one
question
and
second,
I
was
staying
in
a
sublet
at
a
hoa
like
a
big
condo
development
and
they
were
using
gas
powered
materials
like
equipment
all
the
time
and
I
didn't
want
to
I.
I
brought
it
to
the
attention
of
the
host
and
said,
hey
and
directed
them
to
the
website
and
said:
we've
got
these
scholarships,
you
should
let
them
know
I
haven't
filed
anything.
F
So
I
feel
like
how
are
we
prioritizing
figuring
out
where
to
like
address
this
so
that
you
know
homeowners
know
that
they
should
also
help
us,
because
we
are,
you
know,
a
few
number
of
people.
Compliance
is
a
challenge
going
around
and
finding
them
as
a
challenge,
but
also
like
empowering
everyone
to
kind
of
like
raise
their
hand
and
say
you
know,
click
it
ticket
kind
of
thing.
A
Right
so
originally,
when
the
ordinance
went
through,
we
did
issue
a
letter
to
all
residents
about
the
ordinance
and
the
requirements.
However,
as
you
all
know,
we've
had
huge
turnover
in
the
city
and
lots
of
home
sales,
so
actually
tracy
and
I
just
recently
downloaded
the
more
the
current
list
of
property
transactions
for
from
2019.
A
So
for
the
past
two
years,
so
there
were
about
4,
000
property
transfers,
and
so
what
we
were
going
to
do
is
send
another
a
letter
out
and
actually
it's
more
of
a
sustainability
message.
So
give
people
information
about
recycling
about
leaf
blowers
about
other
sorts
of
things.
So
so
it
would
be
kind
of
a
sustainability
welcome
letter.
A
So
we're
trying
to
get
that
together
and
get
that
out
to
people,
and
we
would
certainly
do
a
broad,
broad
outreach
campaign
if
we
did
if
council
did
agree
to
put
forward
or
kind
of
make
homeowners
accountable.
So
that
would
certainly
be
a
large
outreach
campaign
to
do
that
and
I
think
part
of
what
the
challenge
that
we
have
and
I've
noticed
is
that
it
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
residents
that
aren't
here
very
much
or
that
have
airbnbs
or
vacation
rentals.
A
You
know
they're,
not
here,
they're,
not
monitoring
for
that
kind
of
stuff.
We
do
try
to
track
them
down
whenever
we
get
complaints,
but
again
since
they're,
not
here,
they
don't
necessarily
follow
up
with
the
gardener
and
see
them.
We
had
just
a
quick
anecdote.
A
We
did
have
a
gentleman
that
that
a
neighbor
complained
about
their
gardener
quite
often,
and
we
kept
notifying
him
that
this
was
a
problem
and
he
kept
pushing
back
on
us
that
it
wasn't
his
gardener.
It
wasn't
his
gardener
and
then
finally,
we
were
able
to
send
him
pictures
and
then
he
happened
to
be
there
at
the
same
time,
the
gardener
was
there
and
saw
him
and
couldn't
believe
his
eyes
so
anyway.
A
So
I
think
it's
such
a
challenging
situation
and
ever
all
the
time
all
the
planets
have
to
align
for
things
to
come
together.
But
I
agree,
I
think
that
and
and
when
homeowners
know
that's
a
problem,
they
usually
take
action.
We've
had
a
couple
that
we've
interacted
with
lately
who've
been
following
up
with
us
and
kind
of
making
confirming
that
their
gardener
wasn't
using
it
or
was
using
it
so
so
anyway.
So
I
think
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful
to
engage
the
homeowners
more.
So
it's
our
plan.
C
Patrick,
I
had
a
thought
kind
of
related
to
that
and
to
what
jake
was
mentioning
too.
I
wonder
if
there's
just
going
to
float
this
if
there's
a
way
to
incentivize
compliance
by
rewarding
at
least
the
landscaping
agencies
that
are
that
are
complying,
and
maybe
it
goes
on
that
website
on
the
landing
page
that
that
we're
just
talking
about
where
the
public
can
interact
with
it.
A
So
I
don't
know
that
we
could
do
that
kind
of
an
incentive.
I
think
that
would
be
really
hard
because
for
a
couple
reasons
one
is
sometimes
people
might
get
one
like
do
people
end
up
on
that
list
if
they
only
get
like
one
citation
or
if
it's
no
citation.
So
it's
really
really
hard
and
it's
also
hard
because
of
some
of
the
other
things
I
mentioned
in
identifying
and
associating
the
people
with
the
companies
accurately.
So
it
gets
into
a
gray
area.
But
we
did
actually
talk
about.
A
I
don't
know
if
we
talked
about
it.
I
talked
about
it
in
my
head
that
it
would
be
kind
of
a
nice
idea
to
get
sort
of
like
like
gift
cards
like
25
gifts
cards,
or
something
that
as
we're
driving
around,
and
we
see
somebody
using
an
electric
that
we
give
it
to
them
now
again,
that's
problematic
because
they
could
have
their
buddy
in
the
back
using
a
gas-powered
one
and
we
don't
see
them
so
so
it
is
a
bit
of
a
catch-22.
A
It's
it's!
It's
it's
a
difficult
situation,
but
but
I
agree
that
there's
probably
in
addition
to
the
sustainability
scholarships
which
encourages
them
to
buy
the
right
stuff.
I
think
there's
probably
other
ways
to
recognize
people
that
are
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
A
So
I
think
we
can
think
more
about
that,
but
but
I
do
think
that
that
the
gift
card
thing
is
probably
a
pretty
easy
thing
that
we
could
do.
Although
again
it
gets
into
this
challenging
situation
where
I
have
the
list
of
all
the
violations
that
have
been
issued,
and
you
know
I
can
see
them
one
day,
using
gas
and
or
one
day
using
electric
and
then
giving
them
a
card
and
they've
got
six
outstanding
violations
so
anyway.
So
I
think
it
would
be
a
little
bit
tough.
A
But
but
again,
I
think
that
there
should
be
some
way
that
we
can
recognize
those
folks
for
doing
good.
So
I
know
that
that's
one
of
the
challenges
that
people
in
the
gardening
community
have
stated
is
that
there's
really
no
incentive
for
them
to
do
the
right
thing,
because
they
see
other
people
getting
away
with
it
and
not
doing
the
right
thing.
So
that's
that's
the
challenge
that
we
face.
F
About
could
I
just
one
more
thing:
what
about
developing
a
list
of
like
approved
gardeners
like
as
opposed
to
incentive,
but
just
saying?
Okay?
Well,
if
you're
new,
to
because
you've
just
said
that
there's
been
immense
number
of
turnover,
there's
new
people
that
are
here.
We
create
a
repository
kind
of
like
a
preferred
purchaser's
like
sort
of
list
that,
like
you,
would
then
have
a
list
of
or-
and
I
realize
this
is
probably
not
something
you
can
do
right
away.
F
But
directionally
like
okay,
let's
start
consolidating
those
that
apply
for
the
license,
those
that
we
know.
Maybe
we
go
out
and
do
a
spot
audit,
and
then
you
know
that
they're
on
this
list,
so
that
it
kind
of
starts
to
resolve
itself
and
then
you're
on
a
banner
page,
so
that
people
will
then
go
to
you.
So
your
incentive
is
more
business
because
they
could
find
you
right.
A
A
A
So
I
think
there's
we
can
think
more
about
that
in
terms
of
how
we
do
that,
but
but
we
do
have
some
limitations
when
it
comes
to
revealing
some
of
that
information.
A
Okay,
so
the
other
couple
of
things
on
the
list,
any
other
comments
or
questions
about
holding
homeowners
accountable.
We
would
probably
look
at
this
similar
to
the
way
that
we
handle
vacation
rental
violations,
and
if
people
have
a
vacation
rental,
it
would
probably
be
a
strikeable
offense.
If
people
don't
own
a
vacation
rental,
they
would
essentially
be
issued
a
citation
after
their
gardener
was
issued
a
first
citation.
That
would
be
the
first
notice
to
the
homeowner
and
then
the
second
would
be
a
citation
for
both
of
them.
A
So
that's
how
I
would
envision
that
working,
because
the
common
criticism
of
that
approach
of
holding
homeowners
accountable
is
that
how
would
I
ever
know
that
my
gardener
is
using
this
equipment?
Well,
if
you've
been
sighted
once
then
that's
your
notice
and
to
be
on
the
lookout
for
it
so
anyway,
so
that
that
was
our
that's
our
kind
of
proposed
approach
on
that
front.
E
Patrick
just
sort
of
to
tie
to
that
about
notice-
and
maybe
this
is
already
done-
but
work
with
the
vacation,
rental
stakeholders
group
and
maybe
do
a
presentation
at
one
of
their
the
monthly
stakeholders
meetings
just
to
remind
them,
because,
given
the
large
number
of
vacation
rentals
in
town,
essentially
the
people
who
are
in
charge
are
not
the
homeowners
but
actually
the
vacation
rental
managers.
Those
are
the
ones
generally
who
are
hiring
out
the
gardeners
and
are
supposed
to
be
there.
E
A
I
didn't
know
there
such
a
group
existed
so
no.
E
There's
the
vacation
rentals
that
they
meet
monthly
just
to
discuss
veronica,
would
be
your
go-to
person
there
and
speak
with
her
and
and
I'm
sure
she
would
love
to
have
some
visitors,
and
you
can
do
a
presentation
on
that,
and
maybe
let
people
know
that
this
is
coming
along
and
they
tend
to
prefer
carrots
as
opposed
to
sticks
and
cooperation,
as
opposed
to
fines
and
enforcement.
So
I
think
they'll
be
receptive
and
maybe
you
can,
you
know,
get
more
get
more.
Compliance
follow
voluntary
compliance
by
working
closely
with
that
group.
A
All
right,
we
have
talked
about
increasing
fines
for
third,
second
and
third
offenses
to
kind
of
raise
the
bar
for
compliance.
So
that's
still
on
the
table
been
some
concerns
about.
If
this
is
too
much
money
but
but
again
I
don't.
A
I
think
that
what
I've
seen
is
that
there
aren't
a
lot
of
repeat
violators
and
the
ones
that
are
repeat
a
lot
and
just
don't
pay
their
fines,
so
so
this
could
be
a
one
thing
to
help
deter
things
improving
the
documentation
process.
This
is
a
tricky
one
too.
I'm
not
sure
how
we
go
about
doing
this.
A
I
don't
know
that
we
got
any
great
input
from
our
again
our
internal
conversation
on
thursday,
but
it's
definitely
something
we
have
to
look
into,
and
I
don't
know
if
our
our
move
to
more
electronic
processes
is
going
to
help
this.
So
maybe
people
on
the
field
are
going
to
be
carrying
ipads
instead
of
writing
things
down,
I'm
not
sure.
A
So
so
that's
something
that
I'll
work
internally
more
on
in
terms
of
how
we
capture
that
information
and
it's
related
to
the
business
license
issue
too,
because
if
we
have
a
solid
business
license
for
somebody
we
can
we
have
their
their
information.
So
getting
more
people
on
the
ground
is
another
challenging
thing,
as
you
guys
may
have
heard.
Code
enforcement
may
be
requesting
more
staff
so
to
primarily
cover
vacation,
rentals
and
cannabis
calls.
A
But
again
I
think
that
if
we
get
more
people
on
the
ground,
then
the
more
likely
it
is
we're
going
to
catch
folks,
and
we
also
talked
about
perhaps
using
the
citizens
on
patrol
as
part
of
this
process.
I
don't
they
can't
issue
citations,
but
they
can
be
part
of
the
process
in
terms
of
identifying
violators
and
perhaps
calling
code
enforcement
and
being
there
when
code
enforcement
arrives,
so
that
code
enforcement
doesn't
necessarily
have
to
see
them
doing
it,
but
rather
it
could
rely
on
the
community
on
citizens
on
patrol
to
provide
that
data.
A
May
have
come
up
during
the
development
of
the
ordinance
they
requested
that
things
start
that
gardeners
be
allowed
to
start
earlier,
because
the
discharge
rate
for
the
electric
units
is
faster
when
it
gets
hotter,
so
they
don't
last
as
long
in
the
extreme
heat,
and
that
is
true,
and
so
maybe
starting
allowing
them
to
start
at
7am,
which
I
think
currently
they're,
only
allowed
to
start
at
8am
could
help
in
that,
in
that
respect
is
to
give
them
another
hour
in
the
cooler
weather.
A
So
anyway,
any
any
questions
concerns
or
additional
thoughts
about
how
we
can
improve
this
process.
C
Hey
patrick,
yes,
carl,
when
I
read
that
in
your
report
it
caused
me
a
little
adjective
knowing
the
house
behind
me
for
years
have
always
started
at
seven.
I've
gone
out
there
with
printed
documents
saying
you
cannot
begin
until
eight.
Of
course
they
don't
speak
english,
and
I
tell
them
that
in
spanish
and
then
they
just
cuss
at
me
and
keep
doing
what
they're
doing
right.
A
Right
and
what's
interesting,
I
think,
is
that
I
think
most
people
are
under
the
impression
that
it
actually
does
start
at
7am,
and
when
I
saw
a
recent
posting
on
nextdoor,
somebody
asked
that
question.
Every
single
answer
that
came
back
was
7
am
so,
I
think,
that's
kind
of
the
default
start
time,
even
though
it's
not
the
start
time.
That's
in
the
woods
itself.
B
A
So
this
is
what
I
will
say
about
that.
So
we
have
been
asked.
The
staff
have
been
asked
to
try
to
project
out
farther
in
advance
the
topics
that
may
come
up
at
council
meetings
and
what
I'm
finding
is.
That
is
what
should
be
a
more
more
of
a
planning
resource
for
us
internally
is
more
being
used
as
a
communications
tool.
So
I
don't
expect
that
we
will
be
ready
on
june
10th.
A
A
That
is
a
little
bit
more
definitive
than
what
you
have
before
you,
and
I
would
probably
like
to
run
it
by
1ps
as
well
to
get
some
feedback
from
them.
So
I
don't
know
that
we're
going
to
make
that
june
time
frame
and
we
meet
every
monday
after
the
council
meetings
to
talk
about
the
schedule.
So
so
we
can
adjust
that
I
can
adjust
that
with
them.
Next
week,.
A
Okay,
so
I
I
and
I
do
want,
if
you
have
any
objections
or
concerns
about
these
things
beyond
what
you've
raised
right
now.
Let
me
know
I
I
very
much
want
to
go
forward
in
a
transparent
way
and
make
sure
that
the
council
commission
is
supportive
of
these
ideas
so,
and
I
appreciate
the
the
additional
feedback.
A
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll,
maybe
type
up
some
more
information
based
on
our
conversation
today
and
get
that
back
out
to
folks
and
start
to
socialize
that
a
little
bit
more
and
also
do
the
additional
work
internally
to
to
coordinate
with
folks
all
right
great.
So
that's
all
I
have
on
that.
A
So
the
next
topic
is
the
sustainability,
scholarship
and
home
energy
assessment
audits
and
feedback.
We
just
had
a
couple
more
additional
folks
apply.
Tracy
did
we
have
do
you
have?
Do
you
have
one
more
that
we
assigned
this
last
go-round.
C
Not
a
tremendous
amount
of
activity
since
last
month,
I
believe
the
gerber
compound,
which
was
a
composting
bin,
an
electric
leaf,
blower
and
also
d,
a
computer
with
their
water
efficiency
system
or
the
new
one
since
last
month,
and
then
patrick
and
I
are
doing
outreach
both
with
visiting
businesses
in
person
and
also
on
the
phone
for
a
variety
of
sustainable
issues
and
one
of
them
being
offering
the
scholarship
program
as
a
resource
for
businesses.
A
We're
especially
targeting
restaurants,
because
we're
reaching
out
to
them
because
of
various
compliance
issues
and
the
food
wear
ordinance.
So
all
right.
So
the
next
topic
on
our
agenda
was
the
greenhouse
gas
inventory
report
and
I
wanted
to
actually
share
with
you.
I
had
mentioned
in
the
memo
that
I
was
going
to
get
an
updated
version
of
that
2020
look
ahead
and
I
did
get
that
so.
A
The
thing
that
I
asked
place
works
to
do
is
to
go
back
and
take
a
look
at
electric
vehicle
adoption
in
the
city
and
they
were
able
to
find
some
additional
data
that
showed
that
we
were
basically
ahead
of
the
average,
so
they
incorporated
some
additional
electric
vehicle
usage
information
into
our
calculations,
so,
as
you
will
see
down
below,
so
they
basically
what
they
do
is
they
identify
the
number
of
electric
vehicles
and
then
they
deduct
from
that
the
amount
of
greenhouse
gases
that
are
emitted
as
a
result
of
electrifying
the
vehicles
so
so
charging
them
so
when
they
did
that
they
found
that
we
reduced
our
emissions
by
another
3
700
metric
tons.
A
So
it
helped
our
reduction
total
in
the
end.
So
anyway,
so
it
just
sort
of
helps,
helps
our
story.
So
I
wanted
to
see
if
the
any
of
you
had
any
questions
or
comments
about
that
draft
memo
for
the
2020
look
ahead.
A
We
are
going
to
be
doing
a
press
release
and
an
announcement
about
it
later
on,
so
so
keep
it
under
wraps
for
now,
but
but
we're
pretty
excited
about
the
results,
especially
with
regard
to
the
way
that
desert
community
energy
really
impacted
our
numbers.
So
again,
we'll
be
talking
more
about
that
making
a
more
of
an
announcement
about
it
later.
But
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
anybody
had
any
questions
or
comments
about
that.
Look
ahead,
that
we
can
address.
E
Patrick
yep
up
there
two
comments.
First
of
all,
thank
you
and
thank
you
particularly
tracy
for
the
the
bar
graph,
because
I
think
that
that
tells
the
good
story
of
where
we
are
and,
of
course
the
great
great
news
is
that
we
have
achieved
the
the
the
the
initial
goal
of
keeping
emissions
at
the
1990
level
looks
like
we're
even
a
little
bit
below
that
even
better
news,
but
obviously
there's
so
much
more
to
go,
and
you
know
we
need
to
focus
on
that.
E
So
so
I
I
think
that's
a
really
critical
message
and,
of
course,
my
my
question
and
we
can
continue
our
discussions.
Our
committee
meeting
is
sort
of
next
steps
and
to
make
sure
that
we
get
this
in
front
of
council
before
the
break
and,
as
you
know,
I'm
I'll
talk
about
that
working
on
some
materials,
but
I
think
we
need
direction.
E
I
think
the
answer
is
that
the
easy
stuff,
the
low-hanging
fruit
we've
kind
of
done
and
that's
great
there'll,
be
some.
You
know
additional
reductions
from
title
24
and
I'll.
Just
talk
about
that
and
state
sort
of
goals
on
ev
on
evs
and
replacing.
I
guess
you
know
combustion
engine,
so
there
are
things
that
you
know
are
happening,
but
those
are
largely
at
the
margins
and
we
need
to.
We
need
to
sort
of.
E
E
A
E
And
then
also,
we
haven't
discussed
this
at
the
recently
and
I'm
looking
commissioner
baker,
but
also
make
sure
that
this
information
is
fed
in
to
the
general
plan
update
group
to
make
sure,
because
we're
talking
about
you,
know
transportation
and
and
buildings,
but
in
the
sense
of
building
buildings
where
people
are
actually
working
so
that
we
can
reduce.
You
know
the
need
for
people
to
get
in
their
cars
to
go
everywhere
and
that's
a
planning
that
that's
more
planning
than
sustainability.
F
And
thank
you
on
the
planning
side.
I've
found.
F
I
have
some
friends
that
are
going
through
a
renovation
right
now
and
they
have
a
house
that
only
has
one
car
garage
and
the
planning
department
has
now
come
back
to
them
and
said
that
it's
city
code
to
have
a
two-car
garage
for
a
single
family
home-
and
I
didn't
know,
like
I
mean
in
general,
like
city
planning.
Sometimes
when
you
build
new
developments,
there's
always
a
parking
requirement,
etc.
F
I
didn't
know
if
anyone
had
heard
of
anything
like
this
or
had
been
sort
of
like
what
we're
doing
to
kind
of
internally
kind
of
in
terms
of
our
own
house
in
order
like
thinking
about
discordant
policy
that
might
otherwise
stipulate
the
demand
for
more
driving
versus
not
and
just
thinking
more
collaboratively
as
we
build
relationships
within
the
community
and
the
city
to
be
in
line
with
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
as
a
city
target,
and
so
I
just
sort
of
throwing
that
out.
There.
A
Okay,
so
I'll
ask
about
that,
though,
that's
an
interesting
question,
thanks
and-
and
I
would
also
say
that
the
circulation
element
of
the
general
plan
is
being
updated.
A
F
Oh
right,
which
is
back
to
and
also
something
we
talked
about
when
we
met
on
thursday,
where,
if
the
city
pursued
something
bigger
that
wasn't
just
about
one
particular
mode
of
mobility,
but
about
cross-functional
like
signing
up
for
the
net
zero
commitment
where
we're
looking
around
safety.
Since
we
have
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
that
are
underserved
with
sidewalks
and
a
lot
of
more
people
are
out
walking
around
on
the
streets
and
you
have
to
like.
F
Luckily,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
busy
streets,
but
still
they're
wide,
and
you
can
navigate
your
way
but
they're
pretty
wide
and
there's
no
sidewalk.
So
it's
just.
I
think
that
would
be
another
way
to
kind
of
increase
options
for
people
and
just
show
a
message
to
the
community
that
it's
not
just
around
improving
our
greenhouse
gas
inventory.
But
it's
also
around
sort
of
the
livability,
walkability
and
modes
of
transportation
for
our
citizens
and
community.
A
Okay,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
rob
for
the
next
one
right
night
sky.
D
Yep,
so
we
are
basically
overtaken
by
events
right
now.
D
As
far
as
the
documentation
that
exists
in
front
of
you,
I
discovered
the
last
month
that
the
city
council
passed
an
ordinance
2042
and
basically,
what
it
does
is
it's
setting
up
a
new
oversight
committee
for
new
construction
and
they,
I
don't
think
the
committee
is
in
place
yet,
but
it's
being
staffed
right
now
correct
me,
patrick,
if
you
have
an
update
on
that,
but
but
it's
it's
going
to
be
a
new
committee,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
more
oversight
and
more
complete
oversight
of
new
construction
projects,
and
that
includes
their
lighting
codes.
D
So
that
that's
one
thing
that's
that's
impacting
the
other
is
that
that
ordinance
2042
makes
several
references
to
the
latest
cal
energy
code
and
cal
energy
also
deals
with
outdoor
lighting
and
has
regulations,
and
david
friedman
told
me
last
week
that
in
fact
those
are
going
to
be
beefed
up
in
2022,
I
believe
beyond
what
they.
The
version
of
the
document
I
have
now
is
2019.,
and
so
both
of
these
developments
are
impacting
our
palm
springs.
D
Municipal
code,
section
93
2100,
excuse
me,
which
is
our
existing
section
on
nighttime
lighting
regulations.
D
E
Well,
more
of
a
comment
and
rob,
and
I
exchanged
a
bunch
of
emails
last
week
and
I
sort
of
updated
it.
The
concern
that
I
have
is
the
concern
I
often
have
is
that
you
have
one
set
of
rules
in
the
zoning
code
that
section
that
rob
just
cited
an
entire
another
set
that
are
in
the
municipal
code,
which
are
the
energy
code
which
are
embedded
in
the
municipal
code.
You
have
to
go
it
just
as
it's
adopted,
and
the
question
that
I
have
is
who's
in
charge.
E
E
E
E
E
I
think,
and
then
this
is,
I
think
what
rob
is
trying
to
do,
but
I,
I
think
you
need
to
get
staff
involved
to
assist,
rob
and
sort
of
understanding.
What's
left
to
be
done
because
otherwise
it's
just,
I
think,
not
an
efficient
use
of
of
of
his
time
and
then
your
time
and
and
staff's
time.
So
I
I
would
ask
that
you
kind
of
shepherd
that
and
and
sort
of
help
rob
out,
because
it's
it's
rather
tricky
trying
to
figure
out
where
one
code
talks
to
the
other.
D
Okay,
what
I
would
maybe
add
to
that
david
as
I
would
agree
with
90
of
what
you
said
and
maybe
descent
with
10,
that
the
10
is,
I
think,
patrick
the
best
path
forward
at
this
point
is:
let
me
get
a
new
document
together,
because
I'm
going
to
juggle
all
these
three
and
I'm
going
to
look
at
them
and
I'm
going
to
see
where,
where
they
there
might
be
discrepancies
between
them
and
then
come
up
with
a
path
forward.
D
That
then
I
think
we
should
go
to
the
the
different
organizations
within
the
city
with
that
document,
because
it
out
of
it,
for
example,
is
going
to
come
a
recommendation
still
that
we
do
a
modification
to
the
palm
springs
municipal
code,
section
that
isn't
directly
addressed
or
impacted
by
any
of
these
other
other
two
documents.
Basically,
I'm
gonna
be
making
a
recommendation
that
we
do
go
for
a
property
level,
luminance
cap
on
outdoor
lighting
and
that's
not
part
of
any
of
these
other
two.
E
That's
trickier
than
you
think
robin
you'll
need
to
sort
of
look
at
because
you're
dealing
with
the
energy
code
yeah-
and
this
is,
I
think,
once
again-
staff
and
maybe
even
the
city
attorney-
that
you
understand
that
what
what
we're
allowed
to
do
without
a
triggering
energy
commission
approval.
E
I
think
you
can
do
that,
but
there
are
provisions
in
the
energy
code
about
essentially
adding
on
on
top
of
things
and
you're
talking
about
the
municipal
code,
you're
essentially
doing
an
add-on
to
the
energy
code,
and-
and
so
I'm
not
saying
you
can't
do
it-
I'm
just
saying
that's
trickier
than
you
think,
because
the
state
regulates
all
this
stuff.
D
E
Point
taken,
so
you
know
more
power
to
you.
I
think
you're,
taking
on
an
awful
lot
of
work
to
try
to
do
that,
reconciliation.
It
absolutely
needs
to
be
done
and
my
hat's
off
and
my
my
condolences
for
you
to
take
on
that
assignment.
D
E
Okay,
well,
good
good
luck
is
all
I
can
say
roy.
B
I
wanted
to
put
this
in
a
little
bit
different
perspective
when
rob
first
presented
the
report
in
march,
we
had
a
long
discussion
and
what
we
ended
up
with
is
making
a
recommendation
that
basically
staff
coordinate
with
planning
staff
to
look
at
the
zoning
code
and
determine
what
needed
to
be
mended
to
cover
new
construction
and
retrofits,
specifically
with
regard
to
outdoor
lighting,
and
we
voted
on
that.
That's
what
we
wanted
to
do,
I
think,
what's
happened.
B
Is
it's
become
more
complicated
because
of
this
new
ordinance
2042,
which
is
in
the
municipal
code
and
involves
the
building
department,
but
nonetheless,
I
think
the
process
that
we
envisioned
at
that
time
still
holds,
and
I
I'd
be
willing
to
work
with
rob
on
that
as
well.
E
All
right,
I
I
thought
2042
and
I
just
have
a
chance
to
get
in
front
of
me.
I
thought
that
was
basically
just
revising
the
planning
process
and
I
thought
that
was
just
changes.
I
thought
that
what's
now
going
to
be
called
the
architecture
review
committee
was
the
old
architecture
advisory
committee
and
essentially
it
changes
some
of
the.
E
What
what
used
to
be
planning
commission
a
role
is
being
passed,
a
lot
of
it's
being
passed
to
the
art
within
the
architecture
review
committee,
but
I
I
didn't
think
that
it
was
a
new
body,
but
rather
a
simply
the
aac,
reconstituted
and
remissioned
and
given
additional
additional
tasks.
You
might
want
to
take
a
look
at
that.
I
I
don't
have
2042
in
front
of
me,
but
my
recollection
from
council
discussions
was
that
it
was
largely
for
the
zoning
code
procedures
and
does
not
change
the
municipal
code.
E
But
once
again
I
I
do.
I
appreciate
anything
of
the
the
the
you
know,
the
roy
and
and
rob
you
want
to
do,
but
but
perhaps
some
staff
input
would
be
helpful
as
well.
Just
so
you're,
not
spinning
your
wheels
and
you're
on
the
right
path.
That
was.
B
A
Right
so
last
new
business
item
is
the
food
ware
ordinance,
update
and
discussion.
So,
as
you
know,
council
approved
the
draft
ordinance
but
had
some
questions
and
clarifications
that
need
to
be
made
before
we
bring
it
back
to
them,
and
I
wanted
to
outline
some
of
those
for
you
and
get
your
input
on
them,
some
more
than
others.
A
So
the
first
one
is
I'm
going
to
pull
this
up.
F
A
So
the
first
one,
as
you
may
have
recalled,
we
made
an
allowance
in
the
ordinance
for
some
disposable
food
wear
to
be
used,
things
like
paper,
wrappers
and
sleeves
and
bags,
and
foil,
wrappers
and
napkins,
and
things
like
that,
and
that
was
consistent
with
some
of
the
other
ordinances
that
we
had
seen.
A
The
question
came
up
as
to
whether
or
not
that
list
was
exhaustive
and
if
we
needed
to
do
anything
else
with
that
list,
so
we
I
my
impression
from
reading
some
of
the
other
ordinances
is
that
that
list
is
to
be
pretty
narrow,
and
I
think
what
we
could
do
here
is
add
a
statement
at
the
end
to
say
something
about.
If
there's
something
that
somebody
wants
to
use,
it
would
be
subject
to
approval
by
the
city.
A
So
my
inclination
is
to
leave
this
language
similar
to
or
the
same
as
what
it
is
right
now
and
have
it
be
a
fairly
comprehensive
list,
and
then,
if
people
have
something
else
that
they
want
to
put
forward
as
a
suggestion
or
a
request
that
they
could
do
that
potentially
so.
C
A
So
where
do
you
see
the
word
example.
A
Oh
yes,
so
the
those
those
that
is
the
language,
a
and
b
are
the
language
in
two
other
cities
ordinances.
So,
for
example,
the
first
one
disposable
food
ware,
such
as
that
seems
like
an
example
list
to
me.
But
then
the
other
one
does
b
seems
like
it's
a
comprehensive
list,
so
it
shall
be
only
be
served
using
reusables
except
that
food
wear
or
I'm
sorry,
sleeves
bags,
foil,
wraps
and
plateliners
shall
be
allowed.
C
A
All
right-
and
so
this
is
actually
related
to
a
couple
of
other
things
on
here.
So,
for
example,
the
next
one
had
to
do
with
coordinated
chemical
limit.
So
we
had
included
in
the
original
ordinance
that
the
compostable
food
wear
should
be
fluorinated
chemical
free
or
have
no
added
fluorinated
chemicals.
But
actually,
I
think
that
applies
to
any
sort
of
fiber-based
paper
product.
A
So
it's
not
just
things
that
are
designated
as
officially
compostable,
but
actually
anything
that
is
a
paper
product
can
potentially
have
this
in
it.
So
I
am
inclined
to
make
that
fluorinated
chemical
chemical-free
language
more
broad
to
make
sure
that
it
encompasses
all
the
paper-based
products
that
could
be
used
so.
A
So
so
let
me
skip
to
the.
A
To
this,
one
is
potentially
add
a
condition
that
disposables
must
be
recyclable
or
compostable.
A
We
didn't
say
that
things
had
to
be
composable
in
our
ordinance,
but
if
they
were
compostable,
then
they
had
to
meet
a
certain
compostability
standard
and
be
fluorinated
chemical
free.
So
we've
had
some
ongoing
conversations
with
burtec
about
this.
Burtec
is
the
company
that
handles
our
waste
material
and
our
organics
and
we'll
be
handling
our
organics,
and
so
they
have
not
been
very
clear
about
what
they
will
or
won't
accept,
but
they
have
been
pretty
clear
that
they
don't
want
food
wear.
A
So
we
have
this
a
little
bit
of
a
dilemma
in
the
sense
that
if
we
require
things
to
be
either
recyclable
or
compostable,
they're
not
actually
going
to
be
composted
for
the
most
part
and
they
won't
even
be
accepted.
So
so
I'm
hesitant
to
require
that
things
be
compostable.
A
But
again
it's
a
kind
of
a
relative
badness
situation,
but
so
that's
one
of
our
challenges
with
regard
to
the
compostability
of
products,
and
I
also
don't
know
if,
for
example,
like
a
paper
tray
liner,
if
you
could
even
get
a
paper
tray
liner
that
necessarily
meets
certain.
You
know
astm
standard
for
compostability.
So
again,
this
is
a
it's
a
challenging
thing
to
specify
the
products
and
since
we
don't
have
access
to
industrial
composting,
it
makes
it
harder
for
us
to
steer
people
in
that
particular
direction.
A
So
I'm
going
to
stop
babbling
for
a
minute
and
see
if
you
guys
understood
that
or
have
any
thoughts
about
that.
Just
the
first
piece
of
that.
The
compostability
piece-
and
this
came
up
as
a
result
of
mayor
hostage's,
comment
about
suggesting
that
we
specify
that
things
be
recyclable
and
compostable.
So
jake.
A
Disposable
food
wear!
Yes,
so
this
is
pretty
much
a
industry
standard.
There
are
very
few
places
that
will
accept
compostable
food
wear
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
but
part
of
it
is
that
the
astm
standard
is
a
longer
hold
time
than
most
operations
will
handle,
and
so
you
end
up
just
having
this
material
that
sits
in
the
pile
and
then
has
to
be
extracted
from
the
pile
eventually
and
just
landfill.
F
A
So
so
I
think,
generally
speaking,
I
think
the
argument
for
pushing
people
towards
either
by
more
bio-based
materials
or
compostable
materials
is
that
from
a
litter
perspective,
it
might
be
a
better
option
to
have
something
like
that
sitting
on
the
ground,
as
opposed
to
a
piece
of
plastic
which
never
really
goes
away.
F
So
yeah
and
I
would
argue
that
it's
better
to
remove
fossil
based
anything,
and
so,
if
you're
replacing
it
with
a
fiber-based,
something
even
if
it
takes
a
longer
time
to
degrade,
it'll
eventually
degrade
where
a
plastic
just
gets
smaller
and
smaller
and
smaller
and
smaller,
and
becomes
a
microplastic
and
becomes
a
bigger
problem.
So
yeah,
I
think
directionally
it
makes
sense
and
then
hopefully
then
at
some
point
the
systems
will
get
better
industrially
that
they
can
maybe
accept
these
things.
F
A
So
basically,
I'm
having
a
follow-up
conversation
with
burtec
and
I'm
gonna
I'm
trying
to
schedule
that
now.
So
I
will
have
a
little
bit
more
information
on
this
because
they
have
indicated
and
we
are
promoting-
that
food
soil
paper
can
be
put
in
your
compost
bin,
and
so
what
I
need
to
understand
from
them
is
what
is
the
extent
of
food
soil
paper.
A
So
if
I
can
get
some
clarity
on
that,
then
that
may
help
us
kind
of
further
define
what's
acceptable
here
and
what's
not
so
all
right.
So
next
point
is
about
the
recyclable
products,
so
this
actually
is
a
little
bit
easier
because
I
did
go
through
what
I
did
was.
A
I
basically
went
through
my
cupboards
and
found
all
of
the
takeout
wear
that
I
was
getting
and
I
captured
pictures
of
those
or
found
them
online
and
sent
them
over
to
see
to
just
to
verify
that
these
things
are
recyclable
in
our
system
again,
if
they're
clean
and
they
go
into
your
home,
compo
or
home
recycling
bin.
There
are
actually
several
things
that
could
be
recycled,
including
a
lot
of
the
containers
that
you're
getting
both
from
the
grocery
store
and
from
take
out.
A
Wear
like
the
clear
plastic
tubs
are
typically
a
number
five
and
they're
recyclable
and
then
the
number
one
and
two
clam
shells
and
other
containers.
Those
are
also
potentially
recyclable,
and
then
but
that's
really
it's
so
it's
mostly
like
one
twos
and
fives.
But
that's
what
the
bulk
of
a
lot
of
the
items
are,
especially
if
we
get
rid
of
polystyrene.
A
So
that
was
the
other
option
but
anyway,
so
I
feel
a
little
bit
more
comfortable
about
saying
that
things
have
to
be
recyclable
as
more
comfortable
than
I
am
about
the
compostable
piece.
The
problem
area
that
we
get
into
is
cups.
A
So
if
we
require
that
everything
be
recyclable,
it
means
that
I
believe
that
we
would
have
to
eliminate
number
one
cups,
which
is
what
everybody
uses
and
point
them
to
a
number
two
cup
which
I
don't
know
has
the
same
properties
as
a
number
one
cup.
I
think
it's
less
rigid,
so
so
that's
something
I
have
to
look
into
a
little
bit
more,
but
but
again
that
that
would
probably
be
our
primary
problem.
If
we
tried
to
specify
recyclable.
B
Roy
did
you
have
your
hand
up?
Why
is
it
that
the
cups
number
one
can't
be
sorted
in
the
system.
A
I
have
no
idea
why,
like
it,
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
that
it
could
sort
out
a
number
one
bottle
and
not
a
number
one
cup,
so
yeah,
so
very
strange,
and-
and
so
that's
that's
part
of
the
problem
with
the
whole
recyclability
thing.
It's
it's
not
just
that
the
material
is
recyclable,
but
it's
also
that
it
can
be
separated
out
in
the
system.
C
Yeah
carl,
so
how's
this
working
for
national
chains
in
in
sets
we're
gonna,
have
a
starbucks
cup,
no
matter
what
we
tell
them.
We
want.
A
So
I
think
in
large
part,
starbucks
is
researching
or
moving
towards
all
fiber-based
food
wear.
So
I
think
you
may
stop
seeing
some
of
the
plastic
cups
that
they
use
and
maybe
in
favor
of
more
fiber-based
products.
So
that's
a
really
good
question.
I
actually
sent
a
note
to
the
starbucks
people
this
morning
to
see
if
I
could
set
up
a
meeting
with
them
this
next
week
to
talk
about
it.
A
All
right
any
other
questions
comments
about
this
one.
So
again
I
I'm
trying
to
get
some
more
information
here
on
this
front
as
well.
So
I
might
have
some
additional
info
for
us
here
soon.
A
All
right,
so
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
do
with
you
was
confirm
a
couple
of
other
items
on
here
that
need
to
be
clarified.
So
one
was
this
language
in
there
that
we
we
were
promoting
this
idea
that
food,
where
accessories
are
available
only
on
demand,
are
only
on
request,
and
so
the
question
came
up
in
the
meeting.
If
whether
or
not
a
vendor
asking
you
if
you
wanted
a
accessory,
if
that
qualified,
as
by
request
only-
and
so
I
think
my
thought
had
been
that.
Well,
it's
it's
a
question.
A
It's
been
asked
and
answered
that
sort
of
makes
sense
to
me,
but,
as
we
were
having
more
discussions
with
our
consultant,
they
were
basically
nodding.
Their
head,
just
like
jake,
was
that
no,
it's
really
not
the
same
thing,
and
so
really
the
impetus
or
the
the
idea
here
is
that
the
default
is
not
giving
anything
out
and
less
is
actually
asked
for,
because
if
people
are
asked,
if
they
want
it,
they
tend
to
say
yes
and
they
get
it
anyway
and
so
anyway.
A
A
I
think
it
would
be
a
little
bit
easier
than
having
people
come
in
from
out
of
town
all
the
time
and
trying
to
educate
them
on
this
process,
and
so
I
don't
in
my
my
feeling
about
this-
is
that
if
somebody
doesn't
ask,
it
seems
like
it
would
be
a
logical
thing
for
the
vendor
to
follow
up
to
say:
hey
just
want
to
make
sure
you
don't
want
this,
or
do
you
want
this
so
anyway
so,
and
I
can't
imagine
enforcing
this
right,
so
how?
A
How
would
we
ever?
I
don't
know
it
just
seems
very
problematic
to
me
to
to
just
have
it
be
request
only
in
one
direction,
so
so
jake.
F
Yeah
now
I
hear
you
and
I
think
that
it's
sort
of
I
mean
I
think,
the
same
way
that
you
go
to
places
now
and
it's
around
asking
for
a
glass
of
water
versus
a
water
just
being
naturally
there
for
you
that
would
sit
there
and
otherwise
get
thrown
away,
and
so
it
might
one
might
also
lend
themselves
to
say.
Well,
obviously,
I
need
to
take
away
eating
utensils
because
I'm
getting
takeaways.
So,
however,
it
seems
to
me
that
one
of
the
biggest
infractions
that
we
have
is
this
film.
A
So
the
the
basic
argument
behind
this
and
the
reason
that
vendors
have
said
that
they
provide
them
regardless,
is
that
they
don't
want
to
face
the
wrath
of
somebody
coming
back
and
saying
I
got
all
the
way
home
and
you
didn't
have
any
utensils.
I
couldn't
eat
this,
so
that
has
that
is
the
only
argument
that
I've
ever
heard
from
anybody
on
this
front
and
so
so
yeah.
A
So
that's
the
only
thing
that
I've
heard
about
in
terms
of
the
the
questioning
and
the
the
affirmative
response
and
honestly
the
response
sometimes
doesn't
even
matter
like
you
can
say:
no,
I
don't
want
this,
but
it
ends
up
in
your
bag
anyway.
A
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
have
to
look
out
for
too
in
terms
of
education,
but
and
and
then
in
terms
of
utensils
utensils
are
hard
too,
because
nothing
can
be
done
with
them
right
so
there
you
can't
do
anything
with
them
and
we
haven't
really
talked
about
the
packaging
of
the
utensils
at
all,
just
really
starting
to
trying
to
limit
the
use.
So
anyway,
greg
you
had
your
hand
up.
C
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
you
know,
agree
with
you
that
after
half
the
time
that
I
say
I
I
request
that
I
don't
get
the
utensils,
I
end
up
with
them
in
my
bag
when
I
get
home
right,
but
if
the
staff
at
the
place
has
been
taken
through
a
training
where
the
kind
of
the
last
thing
they
ask
is,
do
I
need
utensils,
and
I
say
no,
then
I
don't
get
them
so
I
think
there's
something
to
having
the
restaurant
staff
take
ownership
for
that,
because
when
I
request
it
I
mean
it's
hard
enough
to
get
them
to
listen
to
what
food.
C
A
I
don't
know
that
it's
an
it's
a
written
covet
thing.
It's
just,
I
think
some
some
vendors,
a
lot
of
vendors,
have
basically
defaulted
to
that
I've
never
seen
that
written
anywhere.
I've
never
seen.
It
said
that
you
should.
You
know,
turn
people
away
from
that
and
you
still
are
going
to
places
where
you
can
refill
a
cup
in
like
a
like
a
soda
cup
yeah.
C
A
A
So
so
you
know
it
should
be
by
request.
Only
I
don't
know
do
we
have
to.
I
don't
know
I'm
struggling
with
this
because
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
deter
vendors
from
asking
the
question
you
know.
A
B
Perhaps
this
is
something
that
be
could
be
covered
by
the
consultants
that
you
propose
hiring
to
help
roll
out
the
ordinance.
I
don't
think
it
should
be
into
the
ordinance
either,
but
perhaps
that
could
be
training
that
the
consultants
could
help
with
yeah.
A
That
could
be
yeah
all
right.
Any
other
questions
on
this
front.
A
Confirm
the
definition
of
plastic,
so
this
is
another
element
of
the
ordinance
that
we
had
talked
about
before
and
I
feel
like.
The
world
has
changed
a
little
bit
in
the
information
arena.
So
originally
we
had
left
room
for
people
to
use
compostable
plastics,
so
the
pla
and
the
corn
based
material
that
again,
as
jake
was
saying,
is
in
petroleum
based
and
so
that's
how
we
define
plastic
as
being
petroleum
based.
A
The
two
things
have
happened.
One
is
there
was
a
really
interesting
article
by
somebody
who's
involved
in
this
field
and
who
had
surveyed
or
engaged
a
variety
of
perspectives
on
this
topic
and
went
through
the
different
issues
associated
with
compostable
plastic
and
basically,
what
it
comes
down
to
is
that
people
aren't
composting.
This
like
there
are
so
few
places
that
will
actually
take
this
and
do
something
with
it,
then
that
having
that
moniker
of
compostable
plastic
is
is
really
misleading.
A
The
other
thing
that
our
consultant
mentioned
is
that
cal
recycle
might
be
actually
coming
out
with
some
more
formal
statements
about
bioplastics
and
the
compostability
question,
because
I
think
there
was
also
a
marine
biodegradable
or
marine
compostable
topic
or
a
moniker
that
that's
being
used
as
well
that
they're
trying
to
scale
back
on
so
anyway.
So
I
I
feel
like
two
things
about
this.
So
one
is,
we
know
that
it
can't
be
composed
in
our
system,
so
having
it
be.
A
Compostable
plastic
versus
another
plastic
that
may
be
recyclable
may
be
better
to
have
it
as
a
recyclable
plastic
than
a
compostable
plastic.
So
the
other
thing
is
that
there's
certainly
a
lot
of
debate
about
the
environmental
advantage
of
compostable
plastic,
so
you're
using
corn
based
material
that
could
be
used
for
food
and
or
used
in
other
ways,
and
so
anyway.
So
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
question
of
a
lot
of
things
are
questionable
about
the
compostable
plastic,
the
compostable
plastic
world.
A
So
this
is
something
that
I
think
part
part
of
what
part
of
the
reason
that
we
kept
this
in
the
air
was
plastic
straws,
and
I
think
this
is
really
the
big
thing
that
would
probably
come
into
play,
because
I
think
there
are
suitable
alternatives
for
some
other
materials.
But
when
it
comes
to
straws
and
straws
that
don't
disintegrate
rapidly
like
the
paper-based
straws,
then
compostable
plastic
straws
seem
like
they
are
the
go-to
material.
F
So
that's
just
my
opinion,
but
I
think
that
I
think
it
gives
room
for
the
technology
and
the
space
to
grow.
Where
I
don't.
I
think
that
otherwise,
just
eliminating
or
leaving
it
open
to
any
kind
of
plastic
is
that
the
k-
maybe
I'm
missing
the
point,
but
I
think
that
the
difference
between
bio-based
plastic
versus
compostable
plastic,
I
guess,
is
that
the
question.
A
So
the
question
is
whether
or
not
we
allow
so
so.
The
question
is
that
we've
limited
the
term
plastic
to
be
petroleum-based
plastic,
so
it
allows
room
for
other
sorts
of
plastic
material
that
aren't
petroleum-based,
and
so
the
question
is
whether
or
not
those
non-petroleum-based
plastics
really
add
any
value
to
what
we're
doing
here
or
if
they
really
just
perpetuate
the
myth
that
something
is
composable
when
it
is
in
fact
not.
A
So
it
would
be
so
the
only
I
think
the
only
reference
to
this
is
in
regard
to
have
to
look
to
see
where
it's
referenced.
It's
definitely
referenced
in
regard
to
straws,
so
it
says
that
all
straws
must
be
non-plastic,
so
that's
one
piece
and
then
the
other
one
was
or
something
else
that
is
also
non-plastic,
but
I
can't
remember
what
it
is.
So
it's
primarily
a
straw
issue.
A
Only
fiber-based
straws
right
right
that
would
be
the
alternative
is,
and
that
would
be
the
implication
if
we
did
include
bioplastics
in
the
in
the
definition
of
plastic
is
that
all
straws
would
have
to
be
fiber-based,
which
is
what
you
do.
Both
a
lot
of
cities
are
doing
right,
so
I
would
probably
have
to
make
a
couple
of
exceptions
to
this
for
a
couple
of
businesses
because
of
their
unique
business
nature.
A
C
C
I
guess
in
general
we
maybe
should
push
people
away
from
from
plastic
all
together,
I
can
I'm
like
torn
between
both
sides
and
on
one
hand,
it's
like
this
transition
period.
It's
going
to
be
awkward
until
we
have
the
appropriate
technology.
It
might
be
a
little
bit
strange
on
the
other
side
it's
like.
Well,
maybe
we
just
skip
the
awkward
part
and
just
get
rid
of
plastics
all
together.
A
Right
yeah,
I
mean
I'm,
I'm
feeling
more
and
more
confident
about
at
least
recyclable
material.
That
is
plastic
if
people
clean
it,
but
that
would
be
a
pretty
limited
limited
set
of
things.
If
we
wanted
to
do
that,
but.
A
So,
okay!
Well,
let
me
take
a
look
at
that
language
again
and
again.
If
it
is
only
straws,
then
we
could
move
people
to
the
more
fiber-based
and
deal
with
it
by
exception.
So
if
somebody
has
a
good
strong
case,
then
we
could
we
could
talk
to
them
so.
A
All
right,
so
the
next
thing
that
we
needed
to
clarify
was
the
fee
on
disposable
containers.
A
So
in
our
ordinance
I
didn't
realize
we
were
breaking
new
ground
here,
but
we
have
a
fee
for
both
cups
and
containers,
which
apparently
is
new
so
new
and
novel.
A
The
other
approach
I
haven't
seen.
I
there
isn't
one.
I
don't
think
that
does
what
ours
does,
which
is
kind
of
set
this
limit
on
kind
of
a
max
charge.
A
So
I
put
in
a
few
scenarios
here-
and
I
would
probably
just
add
to
that-
the
berkeley
model,
which
was
basically
25
cents
for
disposables
or
25
credit
for
reusable
so
anyway.
So
I
tried.
B
A
Am
I
allowed
oh
she's
coming
back
into
the
room?
Sorry
I'm
admit:
I'm
readmitting
her
all
right,
so
anybody
anybody
have
any
thoughts
on
the
charging
and
not
charging.
So
just
by
way
of
additional
info
there's
a
lot
of
data
that
says
that
disincentives,
work
and
incentives,
don't,
which
is
why
I
was
kind
of
reluctant
to
go
the
incentive
route.
But
all
the
literature
basically
says
that
when
you
charge
for
something,
then
it
makes
people
think
about
not
doing
that
thing.
A
C
C
My
only
concern
patrick
is
for
visitors.
I
mean
it's
one
thing
when
you
live
in
a
town
and
you
know
to
bring
your
cup
and
you
trap,
but
like
when
I
traveled
to
dc,
I
actually
started
taking
this
with
me
because
there
was
never
anywhere
to
get
water.
Often,
visitors
won't
have
that
reusable
cup
with
them.
A
Right
so
I
think
that's
changing,
and
I
was
also
we
were
trying
to
gonna
work
with
our
hospitality
folks
to
try
to
get
them
to
carry
reusable
cups
and
containers
so
that
people
had
them
in
their
room.
So
we're
gonna
try
to
encourage
them
to
do
that.
But
but
I
agree
that
that
is
a
challenge
in
terms
of
people
visiting
sandra.
C
Oh,
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
think
you
know,
especially
with
the
fast
faster
service
you
know,
and
not
fine
dining.
When
people
return
to
that,
you
got
to
keep
it
simple.
These
are
minimum
wage
workers,
there's
a
lot
of
people.
So
I
I
like
your
example
of
the
berkeley.
It's
one
you
know
in
and
out
keep
it
simple,
and
you
know
once
it
gets
bureaucratic
in
all
of
these
categories.
People
are
just
going
to
not
do
it
in
most
cases,
because
they're
or
they're
going
to
get
pressure
from
management.
E
C
Think
it's
a
great
a
model
for
us
to
pursue
with
that.
Okay
and
one
last
thing,
though,
this
is
a
regressive
tax,
so
those
with
lower
incomes.
This
affects
them
much
more
greatly
than
those
without
and
especially
for
fast
service,
which
is
where
I'm
just
because
it's
not
scientific,
but
I
think
a
lot
of
lower
income
people
would
eat
more
frequently
they're
going
to
be
penalized.
A
That
is
true,
good
points
all
right.
Well,
I
will
take
a
look
at
that
berkeley
language
and
I
will
talk
to
our
consultant
about
bringing
that
forward.
I
think
some,
some
of
the
more
progressive
folks
out
there
are
going
to
be
a
little
bit
sad
move
away
from
this,
but
I'm
I'm,
I
I'm
kind
of
right
there
with
you.
When
I
was
trying
to
do
this
table,
I
was
racking
my
brain
to
try
to
figure
out
how
to
make
things
work
out.
I
think
the
other.
A
So
it
all
sort
of
made
sense
whenever
you
had
the
reusable
cup
service,
but
it
doesn't
it's
harder
to
make
the
math
work
whenever
you
don't
have
that
option.
So
all
right
and
we
could
revisit
again.
We
could
revisit
this
when
we
did
do
have
a
reusable
cup
service.
If
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
was
that
was
highlighted
or
incentivized.
F
Because
I
think
that
that
would
be
because
one
of
the
things
that
I've
really
been
looking
into
recently
is
like
these
different
systems
like
loop,
etc,
where
there's
small
markets
where
they
run
pilots,
where
you
basically
pay
a
fee
for
you,
buy
like
a
container
that
then
gets
put
part
of
circulation
and
then
different
restaurants
pay
into
this
system
as
well,
so
that
like,
if
you're
getting
take
out
regularly
or
take
away
you're,
just
basically
getting
a
container
that
you've
already
paid
like
an
initial
fee
into,
and
so
I
think
that
that
would
be
an
interesting
area
to
explore
too.
F
Considering
the
fact
that,
like
you
know,
there
is
a
lot
of
takeaway,
that's
done
because
of
the
tran
like
the
tourist
community.
But
I
agree
that,
like
I
think,
if
anything,
the
the
the
benefit
is
you
get
a
you
get
a
pro
if
you
bring
your
cup,
but
you
don't
get
penalized.
If
you
don't
have
a
cup
right,
but
that's
my
two
cents.
A
A
Well,
they
didn't
pitch
to
us,
they
were
giving
a
spiel
about
their
business
and
so
but
they're
all
looking
to
expand
like
two.
I
think
we're
east
coast
base
and
they're
looking
to
expand
to
the
west
coast,
and
then
one
of
them
is
west
coast
based
looking
to
just
expand
generally.
Our
challenge
is
that
we
don't
have
a
very
big
enough
market
for
a
lot
of
them
right,
so
I
had
actually
talked
to
a
company
called
vessel
which
just
does
cups
and
they
were
interested
in
doing
something
valley-wide
so
so
anyway.
A
So
I
think
that
we
I've
incorporated
that
into
some
of
the
stuff,
so
yeah,
okay,
so
so
simpler
is
better.
Is
the
message
I'm
getting
so?
The
last
point
was
the
clarifying
how
people
with
on
aid
programs
to
get
their
feed
waived,
and
I
actually
did
find
some
better
language
in
arcata's
example
of
it's
very
clear
that
you
know
at
the
point
of
sale,
you
prevent
a
card
or
a
voucher,
and
you
get
the
discount.
A
So
I
think
that's
it
again.
This
is
ongoing
and
we're
still
trying
to
do
some
more
research
on
this
front,
but
I'll
I'll
try
to
I'm
going
to
try
to
do
it
quickly,
because
I
think
they
want
this
back
in
front
of
them
by
the
end
of
june.
A
So
I'd
like
to
try
to
wrap
it
up
as
quickly
as
we
can
get
some
answers
all
right.
So
that's
all
I
have
on
that
topic.
A
The
next
one's
mine
too,
yes,
so
all
right,
so
I'm
gonna
just
share.
Let
me
see,
do
I
have
that
up.
E
A
Okay,
sorry,
I
had
it
up,
I
just
couldn't
see
it
all
right,
so
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
some
budget
thoughts
as
we're
going
into
budget
season.
We
are
not
part
of
the
general
plan,
so
we
don't
get
quite
as
much
pressure
to
produce
budget
information
as
some
of
the
other
offices,
but
I
want
I
wanted
to
give
you
this
to
just
show
you
how
I
think
the
next
year
will
kind
of
unfold
on
the
sustainability
side.
Again
we
have
two
two
separate
budget
items.
One
is
sustainability.
One
is
recycling.
A
We
also
have
actually
a
third
budget
item
which
is
for
error.
Related
air
emissions
related
work.
It's
a
fairly
small
budget,
it's
like
50
000,
so
I
don't
necessarily
include
it.
I'm
going
to
spend
that
money
on
eb
chargers,
if
I
can
do
that,
so
so,
on
our
sustainability
side.
Again
we
get
about
350
000
a
year,
and
then
we've
got
about
700
000
in
the
bank.
Probably
after
this
year
is
over.
A
We've
got
some
money
expected
for
the
turf
rebate
program
for
the
airport
project
and
then
we've
got
er
personnel
expenses
that
are
sort
of
automatic
across
the
board
and
special
charges.
Those
kinds
of
things
always
come
out
every
year,
so
we
are
left
with
about
950,
000
or
so
to
use,
and
so
we've
got
the
airport
turf
conversion
project
which
we're
gonna
pay
for
next
year
or
finish
paying
for
ev
charging
stations.
110
000,
community
garden
work
also
leaf
blower
rebate
program.
A
If
we
want
to
beef
that
up
and
then
some
other
things
that
are
probably
going
to
come
along
on
the
sustainability
side
is
probably
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
additional
greenhouse
gas
edition,
support
or
strategy
development,
and
then
communications
and
outreach
general
stuff
about
thirty
thousand
and
then
bike
infrastructure.
A
We're
setting
aside
75
000
if
we
don't
get
it
from
measure
j
which
I'll
talk
about
in
a
minute.
So
as
you
can
see,
if
we
just
did
that,
then
we're
left
with
about
430
000
at
the
end
of
the
year,
and
I
want
to
remind
people
that
we're
essentially
working
down
a
savings.
A
So
everything
that
we
spend
money
on
beyond
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
comes
out
of
our
savings.
So
so
again,
at
the
end
of
next
year,
we
might
have
about
440
000
left
in
our
account
and
that
would
carry
forward
into
the
next
year
that
we
could
use
in
the
future.
A
So
those
are
the
kind
of
big
ticket
sustainability
related
items
that
I
had
in
mind,
then
I'll
go
through
the
recycling
ones,
and
then
I'm
happy
to
take
your
questions
or
comments
about
anything
else
that
we
should
be
thinking
about.
On
the
recycling
side,
we
have
about
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year
that
we
spend
on
the
household,
hazardous
waste
facility,
support
trash
and
recycling
containers.
This
is
for
work
that
rob
and
I
have
been
working
on
in
terms
of
the
the
parks
and
converting
over
containers.
A
So
so
we
can
use
that
money
for
that
striding
in
e-waste
events
is
about
11
000
a
year
sustainability,
scholarship
fund.
This
is
we're.
Gonna
dedicate
a
lot
to
food,
wear
and
organics
next
year
battery
collection
that
cost
us
about
eight
thousand
dollars.
A
Even
though
we
have
a
grant
that
grant
is
going
to
run
out
for
I
think
next
year,
as
of
the
last
year
for
that
grant
and
then
some
of
that
grant
money
doesn't
quite
cover
all
of
our
expenses
there,
a
reusable
cup
and
container
price
pilot,
consulting
fees
for
organics
and
food
wear
and
then
communication
outreach.
This
is
going
to
be
a
big
one
in
terms
of
educating
people
about
the
organics
requirements,
as
well
as
just
general
recycling.
Food
wear
changes
that
kind
of
thing.
A
A
Boxes
so
we
pay
to
we
pay
for
the
containers
that
are
the
shipping
containers,
so
that
costs
us
money
to
actually
get
them
recycled.
So
where
do
they
go?
They
go
to
a
place
called
battery
solutions
and
it's
located
in
is
it
in
ohio?
I
think
it's
in
ohio,
okay,.
D
A
Any
other
questions
on
those
budget
items
or
any
big
items
that
you
think
we
need
to
include
here.
I
do
yes
rob
yeah.
D
If
we
have
those
kinds
of
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
that
we're
not
spending
yeah,
I'd
like
to
develop
a
program
of
of
incentives
for
retrofitting
of
outdoor
lighting.
A
D
D
I'm
sorry
low
temperature
leds
for
outdoor
lighting
for
higher
temperature,
leds.
Okay,
oh
also,
and
then
third
thing
patrick,
would
be
timers.
C
D
C
Okay,
jim
yeah,
I
was
gonna,
add
timers
to
that
list
too.
Thank
you
rob.
We
had
talked
for
the
during
the
bike
subcommittee
meetings
about
gathering
some
bike,
counter
data
and
doing
getting
gathering
some
survey
data.
I
think
maybe
it's
like
a
couple
thousand
bucks.
Does
that
need
to
be
a
line
item
or
is
that
petty
cash
kind
of
thing.
A
E
Yeah,
it
may
also
be
in
communications
and
outreach,
but
the
home
energy
assessment
program,
which
is
ten
thousand
dollars,
which
is
probably
all
still
there,
just
to
make
sure
that's
carried
over
into
into
the
next
year
and,
as
I
said,
whether
that's
a
separate
line
item-
or
you
know-
you'll
also
be
in
communications
now-
didn't
want
to
forget
that.
A
So
that
would
be
part
of
our
sustainability
scholarships.
If
we
wanted
to
carry
that
forward,
we
could
do
it.
There.
E
A
Yeah
so
we'll
we'll
figure
out
how
the
carryover
is
going
to
work
on
that
scholarship
program,
because
we
do
have
some
money
left,
especially
on
the
recycling
center.
E
And
this
is
the
thing:
is
completely
a
carryover?
That's
so
it's
it's
already
there
right,
actually
the
previous
fiscal
year
right
to
make
your
listing.
A
So
right
and
my
intent
with
this
sustainability
scholarship
program
is
to
narrow
the
focus,
because
I
think
that
we're
gonna
need
it
for
these
two
items
in
particular.
A
So
and
again,
if
we
we
find
some
other
kind
of
priority
area
as
we're
doing,
especially
as
we
talk
about
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
reductions
that
we
want
to
do.
If
we
identify
something
there,
then
we
could
also
kind
of
set
aside
some
money
for
that
too.
So.
B
All
right
roy
the
item,
general
communication
and
outreach.
I
assume
that
includes
things
like
world
environment
day,
the
sustainability
film
festival,
the
library
exactly
we
vote
on
those
at
the
time
they
come
up.
A
No
okay,
all
right,
so
I
wanted
to
mention.
One
thing
is
as
our
basically,
our
bank
account
gets
lower,
I'm
going
to
start
requesting
money
from
the
general
fund,
whether
it's
through
measure,
j
or
elsewhere.
A
I
think
that
we
need
to
set
aside
a
significant
amount
of
money
for
water
efficiency
and
turf
conversion
across
the
city,
and
so
I'm
gonna
be
requesting
250
000
from
measure
j
for
next
year.
On
for
for
those
projects,
bike
infrastructure,
I'm
hoping
to
get
that
money
from
measure
j
as
well
and
then
fence,
like
things
like
fencing
at
the
community
garden,
also
seems
like
it's
something
that
should
come
out
of
the
general
fund
or
the
measure
j,
because
it's
infrastructure
related.
A
E
E
I
and
it's
not
clear
to
me
yet
because
it's
just
been
proposed,
obviously
not
in
the
budget,
whether
that
would
flow
through
the
water
agencies
or
whether
that
would
be
potentially
a
dire
direct
request
from
from
city.
So
ashley
may
have
some
some
information
about
that.
So
you
might
want
to
ping
her
before
you
put
in
the
request
or
double
dip.
E
If
you
will
ask
for
it
for
measure
j
and
since
you
probably
won't
get
all
that,
you
asked
for
also
follow
up
with
ashley
to
see
what
what
other
sources
may
be
available.
A
All
right,
okay
I'll,
stop
there
and
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
topic.
So
sorry,
this
all
took
so
long.
There
was
a
lot
to
talk.
A
B
E
Okay,
a
lot
going
on
I'll
I'll.
Try
to
make
this
brief
as
possible,
so
you
have
in
the
meeting
packet
for
the
committee
report.
E
Data
palm
springs
data
from
the
reach
code,
effectiveness
explorer,
and
I
sort
of
take
a
look
at
that
because
we'll
see
it
again
next
month,
I'm
going
to
start
work
tomorrow
on
a
on
an
actual
sort
of
hard
proposal
based
on
some
of
the
ordinances
that
the
energy
commission
has
just
approved,
including
one
last
week
that
sort
of
gives
folks
a
menu
that,
if
you're
doing
a
retrofit
of
x
amount,
you
can
choose
from
different
different
options
of
things
they
can
do.
E
And
a
lot
of
this
is
a
result
of
discussions
that
we
had.
We
looked
at
the
solar
ordnance
five
years
ago
and
realized
that
there's
actually
more
gt
reductions
to
be
gotten
out
of
retrofitting
our
existing
building
stock
from
from
the
60s
and
70s
than
than
the
new
stock,
so
we'll
be
focused
on
that
with
maybe
one
one
feature
for
new
construction
which
would
be
cool
roofs
for
both
new
construction
and
retrofits.
On.
C
E
So
watch
this
space
for
next
month
and
patrick
my
objective
is
to
have
something
for
a
committee
meeting
in
two
weeks,
as
I
briefly
alluded
to
earlier.
The
energy
commission
has
released
the
draft
2022
energy
code
and
we'll
be
holding
workshops
next
week
to
present
the
proposals
in
advance
of
expected
approval
of
its
august
business
meeting,
and
then
the
22
code
would
go
into
effect
on
january
1
2023.
E
The
2022
code
will
generally
require
heat
pumps
and
pre-wiring
for
batteries
and
electric
appliances
and
new
residential
construction,
as
well
as
solar,
solar
and
batteries
and
new
non-resolute
presidential
construction.
So
there's
a
lot
going
on
there.
As
rob
alluded
to
there
is.
There
are
more
strict
proposals
on
outdoor
lighting,
both
presidential
and
not
non-residential,
and
if
there
are
any
slides
from
the
workshop,
I
will
pass
those
along
to
to
to
to
everyone
that
needs
to
see
it.
E
The
report
analyzes
scenarios
to
reduce
building
ght
emissions
by
at
least
40
percent
by
2030,
and
then,
if
I
set
several
strategies
that
will
lead
to
significant
vision
reductions,
the
energy
commission
is
holding
workshops
on
that
this
coming
friday
again
on
tuesday
and
I'll
include
information
from
that
in
my
proposal
for
the
committee
and
then
ultimately,
the
commission,
solar,
app
the
you
recall,
some
discussions
from
from
last
fall
the
national
renewable
energy
lab,
which
is
part
of
the
department
of
energy.
E
Last
week
I
attended
a
webinar
on
converting
visible
waste
to
hydrogen,
which
could
be
an
alternative
reuse
for
biogas
at
the
wastewater
treatment
plant,
and
I
forwarded
some
slides
to
patrick
in
light
of
discussion
on
hydrogen
fuel
stations
and
to
roi
and
that
could
sort
of
be
taken
over
as
part
of
scour's
work
on
reducing
g
emissions
at
the
wastewater
treatment.
Latches.
Another
sort
of
potential
out
of
that
for
for
feedstock
and
then
finally,
the
california
hub
for
energy
efficiency
financing,
is
launching
on
bill
repayment
option
under
its
small
business
financing
program.
E
There's
a
workshop
on
that
on
friday
morning
now
for
the
materials
patrick
and
he
can
add
a
link
on
the
energy
efficiency
page.
So
my
time
is
booked
essentially
between
now
and
the
end
of
the
month
of
workshops,
but
just
a
lot
going
on
and
and
these
things
do
affect
what
we're
doing
here
in
palm
springs.
So
it's
important
to
stay
on
top
of
it.
A
Thanks,
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
couple
of
things.
One
is
we
continue
to
work
with
psds
on
sb
1383
to
the
franchise
agreement.
I'm
actually
feeling
pretty
good
about
the
scope
changes
that
we've
talked
about.
A
For
more
on
that,
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
continue
to
move
forward
with
our
franchise
agreement,
update
on
a
fairly
rapid
pace,
but
we
shall
see
then
the
residential
organic
survey
results
they
are
in.
We
included
them
in
the
packet,
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
great
detail
on
them,
but
I
did
think
it
was
kind
of
interesting
that
it
did
reveal
where
people
are
with
some
of
this
thinking,
including
the
fact
that
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
real
educational
campaign
about
what
organics
are
what
goes
into
the
bin.
A
A
So
we're
going
to
have
to
message
that
carefully
so
anyway.
That's
it
on
information.
C
A
A
Okay
or
you
have
your
gardener
use
them,
I
mean
that's.
That's
what
I
really
want
to
push
people
towards
is
really
getting
their
gardener
to
use
their
green
bin
if
they
aren't
already
because
it
if
they
do
at
least
we
know
where
that
stuff
is
going,
whereas
now
we
don't
have
as
good
a
sense
of
where
they.
C
C
B
C
Yes,
we'd
had
to
back
it
up
until
may
24th
for
a
broader
representation
and
then
on
tuesday
we'll
do
the
orientation
which
is
the
25th
for
the
judges.
There
was.
The
forms
had
to
be
reformated,
and
that's
so
sometime
next
week,
we're
waiting,
we'll
know
we'll
know
monday
and
at
the
orientation
one
with
the
actual.
Judging,
but
it's
it's
been
expanded
and
it's
going
forward.
A
Patrick,
so
we
can
we're
completing
basically
the
data
collection
portion
of
the
project
and
we're
moving
into
the
analytical
phase.
A
We
did
meet
with
the
consultant
last
week
to
talk
about
timelines
and
holding
the
next
community
advisory
committee
meeting,
which
will
probably
be
in
mid-june
late
june
and
at
that
time,
we'll
start
to
review
lists
of
priority
projects
or
project
ideas
that
were
gleaned
from
the
feedback
that
we
got
and
using
the
community
advisory
committee
to
help
prioritize
those
and
analyze
those
and
then
vet
those
with
the
community
through
a
couple
of
public
meetings.
So
so
that's
a
plan
moving
forward
and
I
think
it's,
I
think,
we're
in
pretty
good
shape.
B
C
I
think
the
things
that
resonated
there
were
one
of
them
was
that
I
found
a
great
bicycle
plan
that
see
that
oahu
did
for
honolulu
and
they
just
did
the
exact
same
thing:
we're
proposing
a
cycle
track
on
a
two
on
a
one-way
street
and
it
was
came,
went
in
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
the
cost
of
that
was
about
900
000.
C
It's
been
pretty
successful,
it's
a
higher
density
city
with
a
lot
less
parking,
but
it's
a
good
comparison,
but
one
of
the
things
we
also
saw
in
there
we
liked
is
the
idea
of
gathering
some
survey
data
about
who
uses
bike
tasks.
Why
they
use
them.
Why
they're
afraid
not
to
ride
bikes
or
why
they're
right
on
sidewalks
and
then
getting
some
countering
some
misinformation
about
bicycle
usage.
I
think
there's
some
people
that
don't
believe
how
many
people
are
actually
using
south
bomb.
C
So
getting
some
bite
counter
information,
we
thought
would
be
valuable
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
priorities.
I
think,
while
the
cycle
track
thing
we
proposed
was
something
people
are
interested
in.
There's
a
lot
of
information.
A
lot
of
interest
in
completing
the
previously
started
south
palm
canyon
by
track
might
pass.
So
I
think
we're
going
to
have
another
meeting
to
kind
of
brainstorm
and
how
that
might
be
done
and
how
to
start
gathering
more
data.
C
B
A
Update
no
updating
for
me.
B
It's
become
a
lower
priority.
I
think
water
conservation,
david.
E
Thank
you.
The
dwa
board
met
this
morning.
They
extended
the
covet
fee
waivers
until
june
15,
their
june
15
meeting,
which
is
the
governor's
reopening
date.
Their
substantial
unpaid
water
bills
and
dwa
staff
is
exploring
funding
opportunities
to
cover
them.
Dwa
staff
is
also
pursuing
funding
opportunities
for
regional
water
conservation
studies,
determine
how
much
water
return,
removal
and
other
outdoor
conservation
programs
safe,
because
they're
relying
on
data
from
nevada
and
they
want
to
have
local
desert
area.
E
Data
on
that
dwa
is
working
with
the
other
local
water
agencies
on
the
coachella
valley,
urban
water
management
plan,
which
needs
to
be
submitted
to
the
state
department
of
water
resources
by
july
1..
E
The
water
shortage
contingency
plan
draft,
which
addresses
shortage
response
and
lines
with
ewr
standards
has
just
been
posted
on
the
dwa
website,
and
the
wuwmp
will
be
posted
soon
and
ewa
will
have
a
public
hearing
on
attitude.
15Th
meeting
to
consider
adoption
of
these
two
plans.
As
you
probably
know,
california
is
experienced
extremely
dry
winter,
with
a
low
snowpack
and
little
rainfall.
E
The
governor
has
extended
drought
emergency,
which
now
covers
41
counties,
although
riverside
county
isn't
among
them.
Idwa
is
holding
a
webinar
tomorrow
at
10
to
discuss
about
the
drought
condition
of
california,
the
coachella
valley
and
how
they're
preparing
and
if
you
don't
get
it
live
on.
The
webinars
are
generally
posted
on
the
dwa
website.
E
Shortly
after
that,
and
then
finally,
dwa
and
his
customers
achieved
a
seven
percent
production
and
metered
potable
water
consumption
during
april
of
this
year
and
compared
to
the
same
month
in
2013
baseline
year
over
the
past
12
months,
consumption
is
trending,
12
lower
compared
to
2013
baseline.
That's
it
for
water.
C
Hi,
so
the
smoking
ordinance
was
before
the
human
rights
commission.
However,
due
to
their
extended
meeting
discussing
the
bogart
statue
in
front
of
city
hall,
they
never
made
it
to
the
agenda
item.
So
it's
been
pushed
to
the
june
meeting.
E
Okay,
thank
you
good
news.
The
new
terrigen
wind
project
within
the
city
limits
began
operation
on
may
4th,
and
there
was
a
recent
article
in
the
solar
trade
press
about
the
solar
ppa
with
vesper
in
the
central
valley.
The
annual
true
up
period
for
solar
customers
ends
this
month.
E
If
you
generate
more
electricity,
then
you
use
generation
credits
of
less
than
a
hundred
dollars
or
roll
over
to
the
next
annual
period
and
credits
of
100
or
more
will
be
cashed
out
and
then
sce
will
separately
do
a
true
up
of
its
distribution
charges
and
I've
asked
dc
to
post
an
faq
explaining
the
process
because
otherwise
patrick
you're,
going
to
get
questions
about
it.
So
I
put
that
on
dce,
so
you
don't
have
to
deal
with
it.
I'll
have
to
deal
with
that
anyway.
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
I
want
to
push
that.
E
Make
sure
that
you
don't.
Even
if
you
get
a
question
you
can
just
refer
to
the
faq
good.
That's
the
objective,
both
the
legislature
and
the
cpuc
are
considering
changes
to
the
solar
compensation
rules
which
could
lead
to
reduced
generation
credits
from
gce
and
higher
charges
from
sce.
For
grid
access,
I'm
monitoring
the
proceeding
and
also
ask
tce
to
do
so
through
the
california
community
choice
association,
which
is
the
trade
organization
for
community
choice.
E
Aggregators,
like
tce
senate
appropriations
committee
will
be
considering
sb
612,
which
would
ensure
that
cca
sapphiran
access
to
the
benefits
of
legacy,
energy
resources
held
investor-owned
utility
portfolios
and
both
dce
and
city
council
sent
in
support
letters
and
then
finally,
the
community
advisory
committee
still
has
two
vacancies
for
palm
springs
members
and
please
collect
patrick
me
or
mino.
If
you
have
any
candidates,
preferably
for
council
districts,
one
and
four,
which
are
not
currently
represented
on
the
cac
and
that's
it.
B
Thank
you.
David
final
item
on
the
agenda
is
commissioner
comments
and
upcoming
agenda,
so
we'll
go
down
the
list
of
commissioners.
If
you
have
any
additional
comments
to
make
or
suggestions
for
a
future
agenda
item,
please
please
state
it.
You
have
one
minute:
each
rob.
C
Yes,
some
good
news
surprising
that
walmart
has
announced
that
they
are
going
to
be
stopping
their
retailing
distribution
of
bee
killing
pesticides
neonics.
So
we'll
see
what
happens,
but
it's
very
surprising,
but
very
good
news.
C
Oh
yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
mention
that
I
think
as
soon
as
we
can
get
back
together
again,
it
might
be
a
really
good
time
to
have
a
commission
retreat
to
look
at
our
master
plan,
and
you
know
that
was
developed
several
years
ago.
We've
got
a
lot
of
new
commissioners
since
then.
It
would
be
great
to
look
at
the
priorities
in
there
and
see
if
those
are
still
our
priorities
and
progress
that
we've
made.
Regarding
that
plan.
C
A
Roy,
can
I
ask
one
thing:
I'm
sorry,
I
know
we're
all
ready
to
leave.
I
had
forgotten
that
I
had
included
a
draft
ordinance
and
a
draft
resolution
in
the
packet
and
I'm
wondering
if
the
commission
is
ready
to
vote
on
that
ordinance
and
resolution
tonight
or
if
we
should
bring
that
back
at
the
next
meeting
along
with
the
other,
and
this
was
related
to
the
leaf
blower
issue,
so
the
ordinance
hold
holds
homeowners
accountable
and
then
the
resolution
increases
the
fine
amounts.
A
B
A
E
I'm
going
to
make
move
that
that
we
recommend
for
adoption
by
city
council
the
draft
ordinance
on
leaf
blowers.
That
would,
in
addition,
amend
various
sections
about
particularly
allowing
or
prohibiting
real
real
property
owners
to
knowingly
allow
another
person
to
use
gas
power.
E
Yeah,
and
that
would
be
a
resolution-
oh
it
should
be
sorry
about
that.
Let
me
sorry
about
that.
That
second
page
and
also
the
draft
resolution
included.
The
motion
also
includes
approval
right
recommendation
by
city
council
to
adopt
the
resolution
with
the
with
the
fine,
with
the
master
bell
schedule.
C
I
well
so
they
come
together
and
we're
voting
on
them
together.
Okay,.
B
C
C
C
Well,
I
would
just
point
out
that
we,
you
know,
we've
had
a
couple
years
of
enforcement
on
this
and
trying
to
get
people
to
do
it.
So
if
we're
not
getting
compliance,
it's
time
to
move
from
the
carrot
to
the
stick,
thank
you.
C
B
Discussion,
I
think
we're
ready
to
take
a
vote.
This
is
one
where
we
should
have
a.
B
C
C
B
As
I
was
saying,
the
next
scheduled
meeting
of
the
commission
will
be
at
5,
30
p.m,
on
tuesday
june
15th
and
following
our
streamline
procedure
and
will
not
ask
for
a
motion
to
adjourn,
I
will
if
there
is
no
objection,
the
meeting
is
adjourned
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.
It
was
a
very
productive
meeting
good
night.