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A
B
B
C
Chair
I,
you
have
a
request
to
add
one
item
to
today's
agenda.
We
received
an
application
for
a
certificate
of
approval
from
the
Palm
Springs
Art
Museum.
Unfortunately,
we
were
not
able
to
get
our
staff
report
on
the
agenda
in
time
rather
than
holding
a
second
meeting
in
the
month
of
July,
as
they
do
need
action
taken
on
this
request.
I
would
request
to
add
this
to
the
agenda
as
item
number
5c,
and
with
that
we
would
need
a
vote
of
the
HSP,
be
to
add
the
item
to
the
agenda.
I'll
accept.
A
Mr.
Lavoie
has
entered
the
room
and
any
discussion
on
adding
this
agenda
item.
Seeing
then
we'll
call
for
the
vote
all
in
favor
all
right.
Anyone
opposed
to
that.
Mr.
Lavoie
just
came
in
late
all
right,
thank
you,
Flynn,
and
with
that
amendment
we
accept
the
agenda
as
posted
as
amended.
Yes,
okay,
thank
you.
A
So,
ladies
and
gentlemen
of
the
audience,
the
the
following
time
has
been
set
a
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
historic
site,
Preservation
Board
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
board.
Although
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board,
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
Brown
Act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
There
will
be
three
men
it's
assigned
to
each
speaker
and
testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
hearing.
A
D
My
name
is
Robert
stone
I'm
here
to
address
item
number
5b.
The
proposed
changes
to
the
Robertsons
department
store
I
have
no
objection
to
the
proposal
as
written
with
one
exception,
and
that
has
to
do
with
the
addition
of
a
garbage
cart,
not
a
garbage
cart.
A
shopping,
cart,
storage
area
on
the
exterior
of
the
building
I
was
present
at
the
time.
Beth
Moe
came
forward
to
have
their
permit
approved
to
go
into
the
Robinson
space.
A
D
A
D
And
included
it
as
a
condition
of
approval
at
the
time
the
BevMo
rep
was
also
there
and
said
that
that
was
a
condition
that
he
could
live
with.
Unfortunately,
after
taking
occupancy
of
the
space
bed,
Moe
was
not
quite
as
cooperative
and
and
they
had
to
be
cited
twice
by
code
enforcement
by
Nadine,
who
had
to
come
out
there
and
tell
them
they
needed
to
move
their
shopping
carts
inside
because
they
were
simply
leaving
them
outside
on
their
own
I.
Don't
think
this
is
a
particularly
sensitive
addition
to
the
East
elevation
of
this
building.
D
D
Retail
space
and
I
brought
you
a
picture
of
the
exterior
elevation
of
the
east
side,
where
the
god
garbage
the
shopping,
cart,
enclosure
is
proposed
and
what
it
will.
What
you
can't
see
from
the
drawings
in
your
packet
is,
it
will
require
the
removal
of
the
landscape
being
shown
on
the
right
side
of
this
image.
This
is
an
image
that
I
took
just
yesterday
to
accommodate
that
and
result.
D
Concrete
block
wall
all
the
way
to
the
edge
of
the
glazing
of
the
opening,
so
I
think
this
is
both
inappropriate
from
a
historic
standpoint
and
it
subverts
the
recommendation
of
the
Planning,
Commission
and
I
hope.
You
will
approve
the
other
requests
for
modifications
which
seem
appropriate
to
me,
but
turn
this
one
down.
Thank
you.
E
A
C
Please,
mr.
chair
members
of
the
board,
what
we
will
do
is
we
will
accept
nominations
for
the
chair
and
then
after
we
have
accepted
a
nomination
for
the
chair,
we'll
take
action
on
that
and
then
we'll
accept
a
nomination
for
the
vice
chair
and
take
action
on
that.
By
way
of
background,
let
me
just
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
how
the
architectural
Advisory
Committee
went
about
it
with
the
extension
of
their
members.
Maria
song,
the
chair
of
the
AAC,
is
termed
out.
C
C
Mr.
Jones
could
continue
serving
in
a
capacity
if
you
choose
to
do
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
that,
even
though
we
have
some
members
who
are
only
serving
for
an
additional
six
months,
they
could
still
serve
as
chair
or
vice
chair,
and
then
we
can
do
new
elections
in
January.
Once
we
have
new
members
on
that
board.
So
again,
I
will
leave
that
at
the
discretion
of
the
Historic
Site
preservation
board
members,
but
just
wanted
to
offer
that
option
to
you.
C
C
D
Dick
yeah,
yes,
then
I
would
like
to
nominate
Gary
John's
to
finish
out
his
term
until
January
he's
doing
an
extraordinary
job
for
this
board
and
I
know
and
I.
There
are
items
that
I
remember
him.
Bringing
up
that
I
am
sure
he
would
like
to
see
to
fruition.
So
I
wholeheartedly,
with
my
support
and
nominate
Gary
for
the
chair.
C
A
Right
excellent,
so
we
have
a
first
and
second
on
on
dick
continuing
in
the
vice
chair.
Todd
was
our
second.
Any
discussion
call
for
the
vote,
all
in
favor
aye.
Anyone
opposed
all
right.
Well,
so
we'll
maintain
the
helm
here,
dick
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
thank
you
very
much
number
two
on
our
on
our
agendas
of
consent,
calendar
and
it's
the
approval
of
the
minutes.
A
D
D
D
A
You
so
with
those
amendments
to
the
minutes,
all
in
favor
aye.
Anyone
opposed
excellent.
Thank
you
alrighty.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
we
have
no
public
hearings,
we'll
move
on
to
number
4
unfinished
business.
4A
is
a
certificate
of
approval
request
by
Marmol
rad
Zenor
applicant
on
behalf
of
grit
Development
LLC
property
owner
for
a
sign
program
for
the
town
and
country
center.
A
I'll,
complete
I
won't
finish
reading
it
because
I
do
see.
The
recommendation
is
that
it
is
continued
to
the
September
11th
meeting.
That
is
correct.
All
right.
Thank
you.
Under
new
business
here
we
are
today
in
the
room
under
new
business
5a.
We
have
a
certificate
of
approval
request
by
Glen
and
Judith
Hudgens
owners
for
alterations
to
the
Huw
Stephens
residence,
a
class
1
Historic
Site,
located
at
6:45
East
Marengo
Road,
zoned
r1
C
staff
report.
Please
Thank
You.
Mr.
B
Chair
as
noted
in
your
staff
report,
this
is
an
application
by
the
homeowners
to
make
modifications
to
the
Hugh
Stephens
residence,
adding
a
bedroom
and
some
enhancements
to
the
bedroom
area
of
the
home
and
to
propose
an
accessory
dwelling
unit
onto
the
property.
As
noted
in
your
staff
report,
John
Porter
Clark
and
Albert
Frei,
with
a
significant
architects
associated
with
the
design
of
this
home,
which
was
completed
in
1950.
B
The
landscaping
for
this
site
is
essentially
mature
and
what
I
would
call
naturalized
or
desert
landscaping.
No
major
proposals
are
included
to
change
the
landscaping
other
than
to
remove
the
material.
That's
in
the
place
of
the
proposed
additions
on
page
6
of
your
staff
report
is
a
kind
of
an
interesting
comparison.
You'll
note
that
in
the
original
drawings
that
you
see
on
the
top
part
of
this
page,
there
was
a
future
bedroom
showing
off
the
northeast
corner
of
the
home
and
a
future
guest
house.
B
We
provided
some
examples
that
might
be
considered
in
terms
of
stone,
veneers
that
might
help
make
that
particular
mechanical
enclosure
a
little
bit
less
obtrusive.
That
concludes
my
staff
report.
We
are
recommending
approval
with
those
conditions
the
applicant
is
in
the
audience
to
further
explain
the
project.
B
As
noted
in
the
material
that's
presented
here
also,
you'll
find
they
have
provided
a
comprehensive
analysis
of
the
project
against
the
Secretary
of
the
Interior
standards
in
their
final
application,
which
I
will
I
think
it's
behind
the
vicinity
map
and
their
preference
is
that
the
the
roof
slope
of
the
accessory
dwelling
unit
be
at
a
slightly
different
slope
than
the
existing
living-room
slope,
and
they
will
further
explain
there
their
reasons
for
that
request.
I'm
available
to
answer
any
questions
in
the
applicant
is
here.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
B
E
A
Any
other
questions
of
staff
I
would
ask
that
we
look
at
page
seven
before
we
hear
the
applicant.
The
analysis
number
one.
The
very
first
sentence
as
the
proposed
additions
are
visually
harmonious
and
their
appearance
to
that
of
the
original
house,
but
have
been
designed
such
that
they
are
can
be
visually
distinguished
from
the
original,
historic
and
I
would
ask
a
bill.
Please
isn't
that
what
we
want
an
addition
to
do
to
distinguish
itself
from
the
original
house?
Okay,
all
right
so
Noah
for.
Thank
you
bill.
A
F
Welcome
nice
to
be
here,
the
only
issue
I
see
the
we.
We
don't
have
any
problem
with
redoing.
We
were
planning
on
redoing
this
surround
for
the
air
conditioning
equipment.
So
that's
on
our
agenda
anyways,
and
we
would,
you
know,
get
past
that
by
the
committee
to
make
sure
that
they
got
we
got
their
approval.
F
So
the
only
other
issue
on
the
recommendation
is
the
slope
of
the
roof
on
the
casita,
not
identically,
matching
the
slope
on
the
existing
living
room
and
the
reason
the
difference
in
the
slope
is
three
degrees
and
I
do
not
believe
it's
perceptible
will
be
perceptible
on
the
house.
You
will
never
see
the
house
in
this
elevation.
F
Just
a
stunning
view
of
the
mountains,
and
it
seemed
to
me
that
that
was
a
pretty
reasonable
compromise
to
request
I
think
even
on
the
drawing
here.
You
would
have
difficulty
if
I
didn't
have
numbers
on
it,
seeing
the
difference
in
the
slopes
and
if
you
are
standing
in
front
of
the
building
or
on
the
south
end
of
the
property
looking
at
it,
I
still
don't
think
you
would
notice
the
difference
in
the
slopes.
E
E
F
Specifically,
the
setbacks
on
the
casita
were
determined
by
the
setback
off
the
street,
the
edge
of
the
main
window
in
the
living
room
of
the
existing
house,
which
we
is
incredible
view
when
you
walk
in
the
house.
So
it's
to
the
side
of
that
for
the
South
elevation
of
the
casita,
including
the
overhangs
and
on
the
east,
it
was
determined
by
an
existing
wall
with
a
having
a
4-foot
walkway
available
and
on
the
west
elevation.
F
The
the
limit
of
the
casita
was
determined
by
having
the
the
carport
line
up
with
an
existing
wall
and
gate
and
driveway
that's
already
there
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
just
drive
straight
into
the
carport.
So,
though,
the
parameters
of
the
footprint
were
pretty
much
predetermined
by
the
conditions
that
were
already
there.
E
E
D
E
F
On
the
floor
level,
you
can
see
the
clerestory
window
for
the
casita,
which
will
have
a
pretty
amazing
view.
I
need
to
have
a
few
inches
of
flashing
space
below
the
window.
I
need
to
have
a
full
beam
to
support
the
extended
overhang
rafters
and
in
order
to
get
that
I
needed
to
increase
slope
by
3
degrees,
which
is
you
know,
90
45,.
F
F
A
What
does
3
degrees
you
know,
I'm,
looking
at
it
and
I
do
see
that
it's
I'd
have
to
really
stare
at
it
to
see
that
it's
difference,
but
I
can
see
that
it
is
different
and
how
much
difference.
Okay.
E
F
Always
we
always
measure
Roof
Inn,
you
know
inches
per
foot
and
you
otherwise.
The
inches
is
not
really
meaningful
because
the
size
of
the
roof
on
the
house
is
much
much
longer
than
the
size
of
the
roof
on
the
casita,
so
the
the
difference
in
inches
there.
The
difference
here
is
between
point
seven
inches
in
12
and
one
point
four
in
12,
which
works
out
to
three
degrees
off
of
off
of
horizontal
okay.
F
F
And
on
the
I
think
the
whole
East
whole
northern
elevation,
there's
really
no
side
over
hang
it's
only
east
and
west
overhangs
and,
of
course,
the
big
one
on
the
south.
A
F
We
don't
have
it
on
the
clam,
though
I
think
someplace
in
one
of
my
e-mails
back
and
forth
was
Ken.
We
talked
about
doing
a
horizontal
Hardy
board,
which
is
a
fireproof
textured
fireproof
board
within
the
same
size
as
the
existing
surround,
because
we
don't
want
to
do
any
additional
penetrations
to
that
roof,
but
it
would
give
a
horizontal
horizontal
match.
The
horizontality,
as
you
I
think
you
mentioned
I,
think
or
Ken
mentioned
I-
think
that's
important.
Would.
A
You
know
I
tried
to
make
a
bad
joke
about
the
slope
of
the
roof,
the
three
degrees
and
because
I
really
truly
do
understand
it.
But
I
do
understand
that
the
difference
is
attractive
to
me
that
they
not
mimic
each
other,
and
that
was
the
question
that
I
asked
bill
earlier,
whether
we
want
it
to
chord
sort
of
stand
out
a
little
bit
or
be
distinguished
from
it.
So.
A
D
G
But
the
bigger
concern
that
I
have
perhaps
is
that
it
must
be
differentiated,
and
so
I
would
concur
with
you
that
I
would
probably
support
your
roof
the
way
it
is
because
it's
different
from
the
existing
roof.
But
it
also
says
that
the
and
I
quote
the
difference
may
be
settled,
but
it
must
be
clear
and
I.
Don't
really
see
these
as
being
clear
enough
to
me,
I
think
a
subtle
change
in
paint
that
building
from
the
street,
even
when
you're
standing
on
the
property,
is
almost
difficult
to
see
that
it's
a
masonry
block.
G
Building
on
you
know,
Fran
Clarke's
plans,
I,
think
that's
great
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
addition.
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
guest
house.
I
think
there
was
some
belief
or
desire
to
do
that
from
from
day
one
the
bigger
obstacle
I
have
is
the
fact
that
people
are
gonna
years
from
now
they're
gonna
repaint,
the
house
and
they're
gonna
paint
it
all
the
same
shade
and
all
of
this
differentiate.
All
of
this
differentiation
that's
happening
that
might
be
subtle.
Now
is
going
to
go
away.
G
G
F
G
G
I
mean
I
also
get
that
you
know,
building
out
a
concrete
block
is
a
very
different
thing
than
building
out
of
wood
and
stucco,
but
as
I
said
and
I'm
just
one
person
here,
but
I
would
almost
prefer
and
think
it's
more
sensitive
to
put
the
additions
out
of
concrete
block
and
never
paint
them,
and
that
way
when
people
are
driving
by
there's
continuity
and
they're
like
oh.
Why
is
that
different?
Well,
that's
different,
because
that
part
was
not
designed
by
Frank
lark
and
that
part
was
not
designed
by
Frank
lark,
but
there's
some
continuity.
F
Of
like
the
I,
like
the
idea
of
the
differentiation
by
a
different
finished
material
on
the
casita
I'm,
not
sure
I
would
like
the
look
of
just
unpainted
concrete
black.
The
property
is
on
two
sides
and
eventually
on
three
sides
will
be
having
black
wall
around
it,
and
it's
just
not
I,
don't
think
it's
a
great
look.
I,
don't
think
you
saw
a
lot
of
mid-century,
unfinished
concrete
block
everybody
painted
it
or
finish
on
it.
Well,.
G
Frey
actually
used
a
whole
bunch
of
unfinished
concrete
block.
You
look
at
free
house
too.
You
look
at
the
building
that
we're
in
right.
Now
you
look
at
the
fire
station
on
Indian
can
Canyon
you
look
at
the
the
Yacht
Club
I
mean
he's,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
of
previous
work.
That
Frey
did
with
unfinished
concrete
look,
so
that
would
be
very
much
in
keeping
with
his
body
of
work.
Okay,.
G
I,
don't
know
I,
don't
know
and
and
it's
almost
a
little
like
I
went
back
through
and
read
Patrick's
the
nomination
and
Patrick
rout
wrote
and
it's
it's
it's
a
little
hard
to
tell
even
from
those
older
black-and-white
pictures
if
it
was
painted
or
not.
G
I
mean
so
so,
if
if,
if
restoring,
the
building
would
involve
sandblasting
the
original
structure
and
leaving
it
natural
because
I
don't
know
what
color
those
blocks
are
they're,
most
likely,
not
gray,
because
I
mean
well.
That
would
be
an
assumption.
But
when
I
look
at
a
lot
of
the
other
stuff,
that
Frey
did
their
sand.
Colored
brown
rusty,
colored
block,
and
so,
if
you
were
to
sandblast
that
and
make
the
the
existing
original
structure
very
apparently
block
and
then
adds
stucco
to
the
two
additions.
That,
for
me,
would
be
a
lot
more
acceptable.
F
G
F
F
A
A
E
A
E
D
B
D
E
B
Sandblasting
original
building
might
be
a
way
to
differentiate
new
and
old
I'm
concerned
about
sandblasting.
The
parameters
of
sandblasting
could
affect
the
porousness
of
the
actual
building
material
itself,
so
it
could
set
up
a
condition
that
long-term
would
not
solve
a
problem.
In
fact,
it
might
create
new
problems
depending
on
the
psi.
That's
used
to
San
Blas
and
not
having
the
right
professionals
do
a
sandblasting
correctly.
So
that's
one
consideration.
B
A
F
A
Well
and
I
appreciate
you
adding
that
I
for
one
think
the
smooth
trialed
stucco
on
the
addition
and
the
end,
the
casita
satisfies
it
for
me,
and
but
this
is
where
gathering
information
here,
so
any
other
questions
of
the
applicant
at
this
time.
For.
Thank
you
very
much.
If
we
have
any
other
questions,
we'll
call
you
back
up
okay
comments,
please.
A
E
C
E
E
E
E
The
the
casita
looks
like
something
totally
different,
which
is
somewhat
desirable,
but
again
it's
two
different.
It
calls
attention
to
itself
and
then
it
looks
like
I
mean
it
to
obviously
looks
like
a
later
Edition,
not
entirely
in
the
spirit
of
the
original
house
that
that
fine
line
between
not
calling
attention
to
yourself
but
being
different,
and
it's
two
different,
where
a
change
in
color
on
smooth
stucco
of
all
the
additions
to
me
would
be
a
sufficient
enough
differentiation
of
the
old
from
the
new
to
be
acceptable.
A
D
A
You
know
I
I
try
to
defer
to
my
architects
at
the
table,
the
architects
at
the
table
and
to
certainly
Todd
who
has
restored
a
couple
of
Albert
Freight
properties
and
is
well
in
tune
to
his
style
and
etc,
etc.
I
began
the
conversation
by
reading.
You
know
about
the
harmonious
appearance,
etc
and
asking
about
don't.
We
want
it
to
be
a
little
bit
different
and
three
degrees
feels
like
a
little
bit
different
to
me.
A
B
E
A
G
I
have
a
question
of
staff:
have
we
in
the
past,
one
of
the
recommendations
been
with
respect
to
color
and
painting
and
if
so,
how
has
that
been
done
in
the
past
and
then
how
is
that
guarded
in
the
future?
And
specifically
so,
if
we
were
to
say
the
the
original
structure
is
painted
dark
brown,
and
this
is
a
hypothetical.
The
original
structure
is
painted,
dark
brown.
The
addition
is
painted
white.
B
President
future
homeowners
certainly
have
the
right
and
the
ability
to
request
changes
in
color
and
paint.
What
might
be
appropriate
is
if
the
differentiation
of
color
is
important
in
your
approval
of
this
proposed
addition
that
you
make
that
a
condition
of
any
future
repaint
that
the
repaints
be
done
in
such
a
way
that
that
the
color
distinction
between
the
existing
in
the
original
is
sustained.
So
if
they
chose
to
move
this
house
instead
of
these
somewhat
taupe
colors
to
whites
and
grays
or
some
other
combination,
your
condition
that
those
colors
be
differentiated
to
clearly
demarcate.
B
The
addition
from
the
original
could
be
a
condition
that
you
put
in
like
that.
One
might
also
look
at
saying
if
the
home
were
to
be
repainted
in
the
future,
that
the
board
might
encourage
the
present
or
future
owners
to
try
to
take
the
colors
back
to
the
original
colors
of
the
home
and
then
allow
the
additions
that
were
done
potentially
done
in
2018
or
2019
to
continue
to
be
differentiated
in
their
tone
or
color.
B
A
This
could
easily
115
years
from
now.
You
know
quite
a
distance
in
the
future,
all
right.
So
when
we
come
around
to
making
a
motion
if
it
seems
like
that's
an
action
that
we
want
to
condition
the
approval
with
you'll
help
us
craft
that
true,
okay,
thanks!
Mr.
Lavoie
did
you
have
something
please
more?
Yes,.
E
Buildings
elevations
are
in
line,
drawings
are
really
not
a
good
way
to
describe
architecture
and
more
and
more
architects
are
moving
to
3d
models
of
buildings
because
they
they
more
accurately
describe
the
the
building
both
to
the
client
and
to
the
public
review
bodies
and
and
if
we're
agonizing
over
this
difference
in
roof
space,
which
we
seem
very
low
pitch,
we
seem
to
be
in
the
relationship
of
the
old
to
then
he'll.
Then
perhaps
a
rendering
or
a
3d
model
of
the
building
might
be
requested
or
considered.
E
E
The
modernist
would
be
more
likely,
I
mean
where
I
live.
There
are
two
textures
because
they
ran
out
of
money,
and
mine
has
a
heavy
knockdown
and
my
neighbor
has
a
smooth,
but
it
shows
that
mine
was
the
first
unit
built.
Something
I
mean
that's
one
way
of
doing
it.
One
finds
a
variety
of
different
stucco
textures,
a
modern
architecture
of
this
period,
so.
E
B
Our
impression
was
at
the
existing
home,
the
the
evidence
or
the
it's
clear
that
this
is
painted
block
and
there
is
a
scale
and
a
module
and
a
it's
very
clear
that
you
can
see
those
concrete
masonry
units
through
the
paint,
and
our
impression
was
that
if
this
addition
were
to
be
done
in
a
smooth
stucco
that
that
was
an
adequate
amount
of
different
visual
differentiation
between
the
surface
textures,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
texture.
As
you
can
see
in
this
photo
on
the
existing
brick
or
blocking
at
a
staff
level.
B
A
I
appreciate
that
I
appreciate
that,
in
that
addition,
there
and
I
would
say
that
staff
has
probably
looked
at
this
project
for
several
more
hours.
Then
then
we
are
looking
at
it
today,
so
I
certainly
appreciate
their
their
input.
Let's
come
to
the
screening
of
the
mechanical
material
and
if
there's
a
way
that
we
can
suggest
or
resolve
or
some
thoughts
on
that
the
can
refresh
my
memory,
the
applicant
suggested
it
being
a
some
kind
of
a
board.
B
A
B
Right,
though,
the
hardy
board
was
cut
into
strips
or
birches
and
strips,
and
then
laughed
like,
siding
or
like
the
original
wood
was
okay
and
I.
Mr.
Otto
has
not
explained
beyond
what
he
did
today
with
you.
What
his
detailing
would
be
on
the
hardy
board,
but
we
can
work
with
him
if
that's
the
board's
choosing
to
help
articulate
that,
if
do
whatever
you're
looking
for.
A
In
in
the
staff
report,
we
see
some
several
examples
of
some
stonework
added
to
screen
that
material
bill
I'd
ask
if,
if,
if
they,
if
some
of
this
some
brick
block
work,
work
to
add
that
to
the
roof,
it
it's,
what
no
it's
another?
Okay,
it's
not
a
good
thing
unless
it
we're
actually
coming
up
from
the
ground
up
through
the
roof.
So
your
thoughts,
please
on
a
hardy
board
solution.
E
I've
much
rather
see
aluminum
a
deck.
The
the
aluminum
you've
seen
that
has
the
profile
to
it.
Painted
white
were
compatible
with
the
building
rather
than
Hardie
board.
Hardy
board
has
scenes
typically
and
even
though
it's
a
cement
just
material
it
bows
and
cuffs,
particularly
when
it's
110
out
and
and
after
a
couple
years,
really
doesn't
look
good
on
the
seams.
It
looks
like
plywood
it's
when
it's
ship
lapped
it
has
its
it.
E
It
then
ship
lap
is
this
when
it's
that
it's
better,
because
it's
sort
of
mimicking
horizontal
siding,
which
it's
used
for
in
high
fire
hazard
areas,
actually
that
that's
why
I'm
asking
I'd
like
to
see
it
I'd
like
to
see
how
big
it
is,
how
I
mean
it's
gonna
have
it
could
have
a
significant
impact
on
the
profile
of
this?
C
A
D
E
E
G
B
A
A
B
E
B
B
If
you're
you're
trying
to
condition
this
in
terms
of
managing
the
color
into
the
future,
yes,
so
you've
identified
that
you
want
the
addition
and
the
buildings
to
be
visually
distinguished
from
one
another
in
their
color
tone.
My
question
is
it:
does
the
board
have
any
interest
in
the
future
and
having
this
building
if
it's
repainted
encourage
them
to
take
it
back
to
the
original
paint
colors
or
as.
B
H
A
A
E
A
Motion
is
to
approve
the
difference,
the
two
different
roses
sheet:
five:
okay
sheet:
five:
if
that's
the
one
with
the
the
differ,
the
yes
different,
roofs,
yeah,
I
kind
of
liked
that,
because
it's
where
I
open
the
meeting
with
its
harmonious
but
slightly
different-
and
it
tells
me
that
that
one
is
different
than
that
one
and
not
trying
to
mimic
it.
But
so
that's
the
motion
with
what
you've
added
debris,
guarding
the
paint
in
the
stucco
and
etc.
Okay,.
G
E
Chair,
please
I'm
not
going
to
spoke
the
support.
The
motion
I
find
the
proposal
in
five
disarm
Onias
with
the
exists.
A
B
This
captured
correctly,
so
the
the
motion
is
to
approve
the
certificate
of
approval,
as
proposed
with
the
condition
that
the
paint
colors
be
differentiated
from
one
another
by
at
least
four
steps
and
the
color
value
with
an
or
equal
to
those
color
samples
that
are
there,
with
the
screening
of
the
mechanical
equipment
to
come
back
to
the
Board
for
approval
and
with
the
roof
slopes
to
be
differentiated.
As
shown
in
this
exhibit
that
I
have
right
now
and
I'll
get
the
correct
sheet
number.
A
C
A
Right
so
we
have
a
first
and
a
second.
The
motion
is
clear
for
staff
and
toward
the
board.
I'll
call
for
the
vote,
all
in
favor
say
aye
aye.
Anyone
opposed
mr.
Lavoie
is
opposed
all
right
all
right.
Well.
Thank
you
all.
Thank
you
very
much.
We'll
move
on
to
our
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
also
under
new
business.
We
are
at
5b.
C
C
The
proposal
is
to
create
additional
divisible
space
within
the
building,
so
as
a
part
of
that
they're
looking
to
add
some
a
new
storefront
window
or
excuse
me
a
new
storefront
door
along
Palm
Canyon
reconfigure,
the
trash
enclosures
at
the
rear
of
the
building
and
construct
a
new
screen
wall
for
shopping,
cart,
screening
at
the
back
of
the
bed
mo
location,
so
we'll
just
go
through
some
of
the
exhibits
that
are
part
of
your
report
here
on
the
slides.
So
this
is
a
view
of
the
overall
plan
as
it
exists
today.
C
C
C
Photographs
of
the
west
side
of
the
building
here,
showing
the
proposed
planter
locations
and
the
existing
trash
enclosure.
So
all
the
materials
are
proposed
to
be
consistent
with
what
you
see
here
in
terms
of
the
the
new
block
on
the
west
elevation
and
going
back
to
the
storefront,
they
would
match
the
storefronts
that
exists
today.
So
in
staffs
analysis
of
the
proposal,
we
felt
that
the
changes
would
not
have
a
visual
impact
to
the
rest
of
the
building.
Materials
are
consistent
with
what
exists
today.
C
The
new
boolean
doors
and
windows
would
be
inserted
within
one
of
the
bays
of
the
of
the
storefront
here.
So
essentially,
all
the
composition
would
be
would
remain.
There's
no
changes
to
that.
All
of
the
important
elements
that
were
identified
in
the
historic
class-one
designation
are
going
to
remain
so.
Staff
is
recommending
approval,
as
presented
so
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
The
applicant
is
here
as
well
as
the
owner.
If
you
have
questions
for
them,
mr.
C
chair,
one
of
the
things
I
would
like
to
address,
as
was
appropriately
and
correctly
pointed
out
in
public
testimony,
there
is
a
condition
of
approval
on
the
conditional
use
permit
for
the
BevMo
tenant
relative
to
the
outside
storage
of
carts.
One
of
the
issues
that
we
struggled
with
was
should
we
bring
this
to
a
chess
piece
tour.
C
Should
we
take
it
to
Planning
Commission
first
and
ultimately,
what
we
decided
was
that
we
wanted
to
get
the
input
of
the
HSP,
be
first
on
the
cart
storage
area
to
see
if
you
would
approve
that
if
you
find
that
to
be
consistent
and
not
as
an
impact
to
the
historic
resource,
because
otherwise
there's
no
reason
to
remove
the
condition
of
approval
and
the
Planning
Commission
would
seek
your
input
on
any
outside
storage
of
the
cards.
And
so
that's
why
we
have
this
before
you.
A
So
do
we
have
some
questions
of
David
of
staff,
please,
on
this
okay,
seeing
none
David!
Thank
you
comments.
What's
the
board's
thinking
on
this,
you
know,
I
am
influenced.
I
am
influenced
by
this
condition
of
approval
that
and
I'm
kind
of
remembering
that
now
that
the
carts
needed
to
be
inside
and
because
it
was
a
historic
building
and
then
historic,
district
and
the
neighborhood
and
all
that
kind
of
thing,
and
so.
A
Some
other
thoughts
on
on
on
this.
Well
here,
let
me
let
me
do
this.
Let
me
do
this:
let's,
let's
look
at
this
in
pieces.
If
we
will
David
the
the
plan
that
you
have
there
now
the
front
arrow.
This
is
the
Palm
Canyon
frontage
of
the
building,
adding
a
second
or
an
additional
entry
now
here
to
this
space,
what
are
the
board's
feelings
on
allowing
or
giving
in
another
entrance
onto
the
building?
A
B
A
Do
you
have
the
one
right
before
it,
the
one
that
shows
it
as
it?
Okay?
Yes,
so
this
is
one
large
trash
area
that
is
going
to
become
trash
areas
with
a
aisle
between
the
two,
so
that
there's
an
exit
there,
and
so
in
the
proposal
we
lose
a
significant
amount
of
landscaping
adjacent
to
the
entry
of
the
building
which
is
kind
of
nice.
Coming
in
the
back
and
having
the
entrance
to
BevMo
and
its
neighbor
being
flanked
with
some
landscaping.
H
C
H
Wall
is
gonna
extend
over
about
here
to
get
to
trash
from
closures
to
trash
bins
into
it.
This
door
is
not
a
new
door.
Its
existing
and
plan
is
incorrect.
I
pop
apologize
for
that
that
door
is
already
there
and
it's
going
to
become
an
exit
door
for
these
new
spaces,
and
if
you
look
at
the
plan
view
that
we
submitted
you'll
see
how
the
building
is
proposed
to
be
divided
up,
we're
having
an
awful
time
trying
to
lease
six
seven
and
eight
thousand
square
foot
spaces,
it
just
isn't
happening.
H
People
are
asking
for
two
thousand
three
thousand
foot
spaces,
so
we
think
we
came
up
with
a
legitimate
solution
here
to
add
another
pair
of
doors
that
I
don't
think
he'd
even
notice
here,
and
then
this
this
would
be
extended
down
slightly,
but
would
still
maintain
all
this
planting
area
and
would
allow
for
a
second
exit
out
of
these
spaces,
which
is
important
for
them.
So.
H
D
D
A
A
E
The
the
wall
here
the
gates
here
so
when
you're
approaching
the
building
you're
going
to
see
the
gates
and
you're
going
to
see
this
concrete
pad
and
then
you're
going
to
see
when
escaping
and
such
as
it
is.
If
this
is
all
we
have,
then
it
needs
to
be
a
lot
more
than
just
two
left
palm
trees
left.
So.
G
You
go
back
to
the
drawing
that
shows
the
new
trash
receptacle
area,
no
go
back
to
the
the
plan.
View
I!
Guess
that
one
so
that
one!
So
can
you
not?
Why
can't
you
flip
the
doors
on
the
opposite
side
and
put
them
where
that
our
word
says
new
door
in
door?
Why
couldn't
you
put
the
gates
on
that
side
and
you
capture
all
that
additional
planted
area
that
you
want
to
concrete
in?
You
hide
the
doors
you
still
have
the
block
from
the
driveway
side
and
you
double
your
planted
area.
We.
H
Could
look
at
that
what
we
might
have
to
do
Todd
we
might
have
to
widen
that
a
little
bit
to
allow
for
conflicts
with
the
door,
but
it
would
be
a
better
solution
and
would
they
save
most
of
the
landscaping
right
yeah.
That's
good!
That's
a
good
compromise!
We
could
accept
that
I
think
it
would
still
look
good
and
it
would
it
would
get
the
landscaping
keep
most
of
the
landscaping
back
in
that's
a
good
idea.
A
A
A
The
height
of
the
wall
is
four
feet:
yes,
okay,
the
height
of
the
wall
is
four
feet
and
it
sets
back
from
the
existing
landscaping.
Todd
I'm,
sorry
David,
please!
If
you
go
to
the
landscaping
photograph
of
the
one
to
the
right
of
the
front
door
or
through
the
right
of
the
door
of
the
BevMo.
Okay,
the
one
here
on
the
right.
Yes,
no
David
that
one
please
that.
H
A
H
C
H
C
H
E
H
If
I
make
gesture
I
see
the
landscape
designer
is
here
with
us
shaking
his
head,
he's,
probably
very
much
in
favor
of
maintaining
the
existing
material
and
not
adding
any
new
species
or
types,
and
we
think
the
existing
materials
very
strong
statement.
We
think
a
lot
of
that
could
be
moved
forward
and
tightened
up
a
little
bit
still
look
good.
A
B
B
A
C
A
H
We
share
your
concern
and
we
we
did
a
sample
shield
to
some
of
the
lighting
that's
inside
to
BevMo
and
it
seems
to
be
working.
I
wasn't
looked
at
it.
This
was
actually
a
year
ago
we
had
some
complaints
from
a
hotel
adjacent
air
across
the
way,
and
we
put
a
hood
over
us
about
a
4-foot
section
of
the
light
and
that
light
effectively
is
shielded
with
that
hood
and
we
didn't
take
it
any
further.
H
At
the
time,
BevMo
was
reticent
about
spending
the
money
and
that
sort
of
thing
we
might
be
able
to
convince
BevMo
if
we
could
give
him
some
shopping
carts
outside
that
that
they
would
come
back
to
the
table
with
some
lighting
we're
willing
to
take
up
that
conversation.
I've
talked
to
Hal
about
it
and
he's
okay
with
it
too
about
having
that
conversation
with
him
and
I
think
it
would
promote.
H
You
know
good
neighbor
attitude
and
that
sort
of
thing
where
that,
but
let's
keep
in
mind
this
building
was
originally
designed
with
clerestory
windows
all
around
it
and
in
my
recollection
and
I,
grew
up
here.
Those
were
always
lighted
in
some
fashion.
That
was
that
was
meant
that
way
for
those
Bruce
to
float.
That's
where
the
architect
designed
them,
and
there
will
be
some
light
coming
out
of
those
clear
stories
at
some
point
and
I.
A
A
The
interior
lighting
that
is
question
now
is
that
considered
a
tenant
improvement.
It
is
yes,
okay,
good
with
this
photograph
here,
with
all
due
respect
to
everybody
in
the
room.
It's
this
exterior.
What
I
would
call
security
lighting
that
I
find
even
more
objective
objectionable
than
the
interior
lighting?
Is
it
a
requirement?
Is
that
a
requirement
from
the
city
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
lighting
or
this
style
lighting,
because
what
I'm
thinking
of
it
certainly
is
perhaps
compatible
with
a
grocery
store,
but
as
more
respectfully
sophisticated
tenants
move
into
the
building?
A
H
Promise
because,
but
we
could
look
at
it.
One
of
the
problems
we
have
is
a
code
requirement
to
maintain
a
1
foot
candle
of
light
out
in
the
parking
lot
we're
having
a
very
difficult
time
doing
that
with
the
existing
19:58
lighting.
That's
out
there.
Now
we
changed
all
the
lamps
in
it
to
try
to
get
it
better.
H
H
We
have
to
maintain
a
certain
light
level.
These
lights
aren't
just
lighting
near
the
entry
they're,
throwing
light
out
onto
that
driveway
which
which
we
need.
So
you
know,
I
can
only
comment
that
I
would
share
your
concern
and
we
can
look
at
it.
I
think
it's
a
legitimate
concern,
maybe
at
some
point,
when
we
get
some
tenants
in
this
building
and
we
can,
we
can
spend
a
little
time
and
maybe
a
little
money.
We
could
look
at
some
bollards
or
something
like
that.
That
might
do
something
a
little
more
sensitive.
H
Those
are
just
things
we
could
look
at
and
be
happy
to
come
back
to
this
board
if,
with
a
with
a
proposal
when
that
happens,
but
right
now,
our
problem
not
a
problem.
Our
concern
is
to
get
the
building,
doing
leased
up
yeah
and
it's
a
significant
drain
on
a
monthly
basis,
and
we
don't
want
it
to
be
that
way.
It's
a
this
building
needs
to
be
needs
to
be
filled
up
and
I
I
appreciate
your
thoughts
on
that
and
I
appreciate
your
your
your
help,
all
along
the
way.
H
A
A
So
I'm
gonna
allow
the
board
to
weigh
in
on
this
a
little
bit
more
before
I
ask
for
a
motion,
but
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
something
that
conditions
the
softening
of
the
interior
lighting
of
the
BevMo
as
a
part
of
what
we're
doing
today
and
then
hopefully
rely
on
you
in
the
future
to
to
do
something
with
the
exterior
lighting
to
still
maintain
the
city's
code,
etc.
I'll.
H
D
D
D
G
So
know
so,
but
but
point
is
it's
imperative
that
we
make
these
buildings
functional
if
they're?
If,
if
we
are
gonna
request
and
demand
that
they
adaptively
restore
and
allowed
to
reuse
the
buildings,
we
need
to
make
them
functional,
and
so
for
me,
that's
compromise,
and
so
do
I
want
to
see
this
done.
No
I'd
rather
have
it
left
the
way
it
was,
but
robinsons
doesn't
want
to
move
back
in
the
building.
G
Even
though
we're
faced
with
this
sort
of
maybe
bit
of
a
compromise,
so
I
support
the
plan.
I
would
like
to
make
it
conditional
upon
fixing
the
lighting
on
the
inside
and
it
sounds
like
there
is
something
of
a
solution
that
if
you
build
these
channels
around
the
interior
lights
that
might
resolve
it
now,
I,
don't
know
that
that's
it,
but
I'm
I
personally,
am
fine
with
what's
being
proposed,
but
I
would
like
to
see
something
fixed
with
respect
to
the
lighting
on
the
inside
and
how
it
affects
the
outside
Tod.
A
And
on
that
note,
Jim,
you
could
come
back
up
front.
You
can
come
back
up.
Please
I
was
aware
of
the
shield
over
this
4-foot
length
and
I
drove
by
it
the
other
night,
and
it
does
make
a
significant
difference
and
if
it
were
applied
to
the
entire
lighting
of
the
BevMo
I
think
it's
gonna
bring
the
whole
light
down.
You
won't
be
seeing
it
this
way.
You'll
only
see
it
when
you're
in
the
store,
it's
gonna
I,
believe
it's
gonna
do
what
it's
supposed
to
do
so.
H
E
H
Lit
or
whatever
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're,
whatever
condition
you
apply,
applies
to
the
BevMo
situation.
Now,
as
it
relates
to
the
give
of
the
yes
shopping,
cart
like
I
can't
impose
conditions
on
spaces
that
we
haven't
designed
yet,
but
I
think
we're
real
clear
about
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
how
sensitive
that
as
I
am.
But
we
have
a
certain
amount
of
light.
That's
going
to
have
to
happen
for
these
spaces.
Some
of
them
are
eating
establishments.
Some,
like
the
retail
they'll,
require
some
lighting,
so
there's
so.
Everybody's.
A
H
A
H
G
D
D
Think
anymore,
I
really
I,
think
everybody
knows
how
strong
I
feel
about
this
lighting,
but
I
also
I'm
an
operational
guy
I.
Had
that's
my
background.
My
original
background
and
I
do
understand
how
important
it
is
and
that's
why
I
like
the
idea
and
I
so
appreciate
the
the
co-operative
attitude
of
the
of
the
developer
owner
and
also
of
the
architect,
and
we
support
we
have
to
be
reasonable
when
we
designate
these
buildings
that
they've
got
to
operate.
Their
whole
idea
is
to
repurpose
them
so
I'm
very
much
in
favor.
E
This
well
I'm
thinking
like
an
interior
designer
what
what
it,
what
if
there
was
a
scream
behind
the
clerestory
sale
about
three
feet
behind
the
clerestory
that
that
was
like
black
sunshade,
that
that
would
dampen
the
glare
I
mean
the
issue
is
glare,
not
light,
so
much
like
bleeding
out
of
those
is
really
very
attractive
on
the
building.
The
problem
is
that
you're,
seeing
the
source
of
light
and
it's
bright
right.
E
So
if
you
were
to
hide
a
drape
for
lack
of
a
better
word,
a
shade
three
feet
behind
the
glass,
so
it
wouldn't
be
right
up
against
it
drop
down
just
the
height
of
the
perimeter
over
the
clerestory.
Would
that
solve
the
problem
without
having
to
go
through
and
shield
every
light
fixture
in
the
building.
D
That
might
build
the
bill
dan
I
see
you
were
getting
ready
to
have
some.
This
is
really
taking
going
completely
against
the
character
of
the
way
that
these
buildings
were
designed.
You
were
supposed
to
see
front
to
back
across
those
clear
stories
and
if
you
start
blocking
them
three
feet
back
we're
changing
what
the
original
concept
of
these
buildings
are.
It
really
needs
to
be
addressed
on
the
lighting
per
unit.
D
D
The
only
thing
about
that
is
that
there
there's
a
vast
difference
in
the
operation
from
what
it
was,
as
a
beautiful
high
passion
store
to
a
whole
different
purpose
of
sleep
with
BevMo,
so
I
think
we
always
have
to
take
in
consideration.
What
are
we
dealing
with
as
far
as
the
probably
as
far
as
the
ten
is
concerned?
But
that's
a
very
interesting
point
that
you
make
about
that.
But
what
are
your
feelings
about
that?
Well,.
E
There
there's
I
mean
when,
when
you
design
light
fixtures,
you
sort
of
like
put
them
in
the
ceiling
and
you
figure
how
what
the
spread
is
right
when
you
drop
them
down,
you're
losing
and
you
may
need
more.
So
you
know
as
I.
Remember
the
story,
there's
quite
a
few
light
fixtures
so
and-
and
they
want
it
to
be
a
certain
brightness
for
merchandising.
E
A
Well,
I'd
like
to
I
would
like
to
condition
this,
though,
that
the
lighting
in
the
BevMo
store
be
addressed
and
there
is
a
sample.
One
of
the
light
fixtures
does
have
this
shield
on
it
and
it
when
I
drove
by
it
the
other
night
I
it
caught
my
attention,
I
almost
thought
one
of
the
bulbs
had
burned
out.
Don't
well.
A
So
I
think
we're
all
on
the
on
the
lighting
issue
here
and
wanting
that
to
be
corrected.
But
it
should
be
the
tenants,
responsibility
and
I
think
as
a
negotiating
tool
as
a
compromise
to
allow
for
the
grocery
carts.
It's
going
to
go
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
they're,
going
to
look
at
this
again.
They're
gonna
hear
what
we've
said
about
the
lighting
I.
C
Yes,
relative
to
the
trash
enclosures,
your
recommendation
is
to
approve
those
if
you
flip
the
access
gates
so
they're
facing
each
other
relative
to
that
new
back
entrance
door
and
then
third,
relative
to
the
shopping,
cart,
enclosure,
you're,
recommending
approval
of
the
enclosure
conditioned
upon
shielding
the
interior
lighting
in
the
BevMo
space
and
then
also
contingent
upon
the
Planning
Commission
approval
of
that
condition
of
approval
that
allows
them
to
store
the
carts
outside
or
the
removal
of
that
condition
of
approval.
So
that's
what
your
discussion
has
entailed
so
far,
so.
A
However,
in
looking
at
the
photograph,
where
that
door
is
that's
going
to
exit
the
building
that
currently
does
exit
the
building,
there's,
certainly
not
enough
room
there
to
put
a
trash
compact
trash
bin,
so
that
wall
that
we're
looking
at
in
the
left
photograph
is
still
going
to
come
considerably
south,
but
we're
making
it
not
so
deep
as
to
lose
the
landscaping
there.
It
will
still
maintain
some
landscaping
adjacent
to
the
door.
E
E
A
A
E
A
A
Mr.
Marsh
does
that?
Does
that
help?
Okay,
good
a
friend?
Did
you
get
that
on
there
as
well?
Yes,
so
we
will
add
that
as
a
condition.
Okay,
so
I
think
we've
actually
formulated
a
motion,
and
anybody
wants
to
sort
of
repeat
it
or
Lynne
can
I
rely
on
what
you've
captured
there
to
be
the
motion?
Yes,
okay,
so
I'm
gonna
suggest
that
the
motion
is
on
the
floor
as
just
discussed
and
I'll.
Look
for
a
second,
oh.
E
A
So
so
we
have
a
first
in
a
second
and
so
now
under
further
discussion,
more
discussion
on
the
security
lighting
and
yes,
I
could
talk
about
it
for
for
a
long
time,
but
I'm,
relying
on
the
architect
and
the
owner
of
the
building
to
stay
in
compliance
with
the
city's
lighting
code
and
as
they
fill
up
the
building
with
more
tenants
that
additional
lighting
would
be
considered
or
changes
to
Beacon
Hill.
What
are
your
thoughts
on
it?.
A
Mr.
McCoy
is
in
agreement
on
that,
so
thank
you,
Flynn
any
further
discussion
on
the
motion.
Okay,
seeing
no
further
discussion,
all
in
favor
aye
any
opposed.
Thank
you,
gentlemen.
Thank
you
very
good.
Thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
need
a
three-minute
break.
No
ok!
Well,
press
on
pardon
me,
Oh
item
5c
on
our
agenda.
It's
not
actually
on
our
agenda,
but
we
have
received
materials.
A
C
Of
the
board
again,
thank
you
for
adding
this
item
to
the
agenda
and
I
apologize.
We
typically
like
to
have
the
materials
to
you
ahead
of
time,
but,
unfortunately,
because
of
the
timeframe
in
which
we
were
working
and
the
need
to
get
this
done,
we
are
again
appreciative
of
you
adding
this
item
to
the
agenda.
What
is
being
requested
is
to
install
new
wall
signage
on
the
east,
face
of
the
museum
building,
as
you
can
see
in
the
illustrations
that
you
have
in
your
packet
there
on
sheet1.
C
What
is
being
proposed
is
to
install
reverse
channel
letters
that
would
be
aluminum
letters
painted
a
dark,
bronze
color
so
that
they
match
the
aluminum
frames
of
the
windows
and
the
doors
on
the
exterior
of
the
building.
The
overall
area
of
the
lettering,
as
you
can
see,
extends
approximately
60
feet
across
the
face
of
the
facade.
The
letters
would
be
36
inches
in
height.
The
idea
is
that,
with
the
construction
of
museum
way,
we
now
have
an
access
clearly
from
Palm
Canyon
to
the
museum.
C
Previously,
it
has
always
been
hidden
by
the
desert
fashion,
Plaza
Mall,
and
so
this
gives
them
much
greater
visibility
and
consequently,
in
order
to
have
signage,
that's
appropriate
relative
to
its
context
and
its
location
relative
to
Palm
Canyon
the
size
of
the
letters
being
requested
meet
that
need
to
give
the
museum
the
visibility
that
it
is
requesting
in
terms
of
our
code
requirements.
I
just
noted
in
the
report
that
it
does
require
a
variance
from
our
sign
regulations
in
the
central
business
district
sign
area
for
wall
science
is
limited
to
50
square
feet.
C
This
significantly
exceeds
that,
however,
again
based
on
the
use
and
it's
specific
location
staff
would
recommend
approval
of
that.
That's
a
separate
item
that
will
go
to
the
Planning
Commission
later
in
terms
of
the
construction
of
the
letters
and
its
impact
to
the
historic
resource.
Any
wiring
would
be
mounted
behind
the
concrete
facade,
so
it
would
not
have
any
visible
exposed
conduit
or
junction
boxes
or
things
like
that.
C
D
Think
from
Palm
Canyon
this
will
look
wonderful
and
it
will
guide
people
to
the
museum
and
right
now
it's
a
blank
facade,
we're
at
the
museum
every
week
and
I'm
very
familiar
with
what
it
looks
like
I
think
the
scalable
looks
good
I,
think
it'll
be
subtle
from
Palm
Canyon
and
it
will
draw
people
to
the
museum.
Just
so
people
know
on
the
free
museum
nights
like
Thursday,
because
my
husband's
a
docent
there
during
the
Warhol
show
there
were
1000
people
that
came
to
the
museum.
D
E
This
signage
is
unworthy
of
a
public
building.
Why
don't
we
put
a
great
big
billboard
on
the
freeway,
so
people
can
find
it
as
Dan
just
said:
I,
don't
particularly
with
the
opening
of
via
access
the
access
to
the
to
the
museum.
I
people
will
be
able
to
find
it.
They
can
find
it
when
it
was
buried
and
back
of
the
fashion
Plaza,
it's
a
it's
an
important
public
civic
building.
This
signage
would
be
appropriate
on
BevMo,
no
known
art,
museum.
G
You
took
the
words
right
out
of
my
mouth,
so
I
I
can't
agree
more.
We
now
have
the
street
that
opens
up
the
sight
of
vision
right
into
the
front
door
and
you
can
see
it
from
the
sidewalk.
You've
got
an
amazing
building.
To
look
at
that.
You
know,
like
the
sculpture,
make
the
sculpture
show
off
this
solution
by
itself
is
great
I.
G
A
D
The
applicant
I
mean
I,
think
is
here:
maybe
we
should
would
be
a
good
nice
thing
to
do
is
to
have
them
come
and
explain
why
they
think
that
this
is
really
necessary
to
go
to
this
extreme,
but
it
seems
like
it
has
been
addressed
that
the
there
are
so
much
visibility
now
and
the
building
is
so
strong.
As
it
stands,
architectural
II
into
itself.
Does
the
sign
really
you
know?
D
A
D
Morning,
I'm
Jeb
Bonner
I'm,
the
deputy
director
and
chief
financial
officer
for
the
Palm
Springs
Art
Museum.
First,
thank
you
for
taking
up
this
item
at
the
last
minute.
We
recognize
that
well.
Our
goal
here
was
to
actually
find
signage
that
would
be
well
seen
from
Palm
Canyon
Drive,
which
is
actually
a
considerable
distance
away
from
the
museum.
D
D
We
worked
with
Leo
Marmol,
who
is
the
chair
of
our
building
and
grounds
committee
with
Brook
Hodge,
who
is
our
curator
director
of
architecture
and
design,
and
certainly
with
Sidney
Williams,
who
has
done
much
of
her
work
on
the
easter
williams
architecture
and
is
with
the
Williams
family.
So
that
was
how
we
reached
this
solution
to
the
signage
issue,
so
we're
these
individuals
that
you
mentioned,
which
are
all
very
high-profile
people
in
the
community.
Of
course,
they
they
are
supportive
of
this
new
proposal.
D
D
D
B
B
This
is
a
typeface
that
you
would
often
see
and
bill
affirm
or
disapprove
this
if
I'm
correct,
with
a
building
of
the
era
that
this
building
was
built
and
I'm
really
surprised
that
the
museum
is
not
seeking
to
actually
do
what
he's
saying
is
to
maintain
a
typeface
that
is
consistent
with
the
building.
If
it
were
this
typeface
on
that
sign
on
the
upper
fascia
it
might,
it
might
be
more
harmonious
with
the
architecture
of
the
building
that
typeface,
that's
shown,
seems
commercial.
B
A
You
know,
while
we're
waiting
for
Flynn
to
come
back
looking
at
the
historic
photographs.
Also,
the
signage
was
always
intended
to
be
there
in
that
area,
were
they
Mountain
is
now
the
the
fountain
has
changed
over
time
and
and
a
sculpture
has
has
entered
the
the
picture
there.
We
do
have
one
copy
of
it
here,
Flynn,
so
thank
you
can
have
one
or
mr.
Bonner
actually
had
one.
So
the
letter
is
actually
from
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
read
it.
Yet
it's
of
course
it's
been
Elizabeth
Armstrong,
quite
Jeff.
A
Why
not
keep
it
in
that
area?
You
know
I
think
Jeff
the
challenge
of
attracting
attention
from
Palm
Canyon
Drive,
which
is
probably
several
hundred
feet,
a
football
field
length
or,
if
not
more,
that's
a
big
big
challenge
to
try
to
fill.
So
maybe
it's
it's
it's
it's
overreaching.
It
might
just
overreaching,
but
I'll
come
back
to
the
to
the
board
Todd.
Please
ask.
G
D
Well,
I
think
one
was
actually
is
much
easier
to
be
seen
by
pedestrians
as
they're,
walking
by
by
the
fountain
and
the
larger
one
for
people
in
cars
and
from
Palm,
Canyon
Drive.
So
I
think
that
at
a
certain
point
we
might
consider
removing
that
lower
one.
But
because
of
the
way
you
look
up
from
various
angles,
I
think
it's
not
inappropriate
to
have
two
signs.
There.
G
The
way
it
is
and
I
get
that
the
sculpture
went
in
and
the
sculpture
blocks
the
sign
so
that
created
the
problem,
but
I
agree
with
Ken
that
the
original
font
would
it
be
more
for
me,
it'd,
be
a
more
desirable
solution
and
didn't
going
up
on
that
new
wall
above
the
doorway
above
the
entry,
you
know,
is
kind
of
an
interesting
evolution
of
the
original
sign,
but
it's
at
least
50%
too
big.
The.
D
The
earlier
signs
were
in
euro
style,
bold
and
when
we
actually
did
mock-ups,
we
did
mock
up.
So
this
is
in
gotham
gotham
medium
and
we
did
in
euro
style
bold
though
those
early
signs
in
euro
style
bold,
throw
an
awful
lot
of
shade
and
they
actually
can
be
very
difficult
to
read,
even
in
the
small
type
small
sizes
that
we
have
elsewhere
in
the
museum.
This
saw
of
this
sign
that
is
down
by
the
pool,
is
gotham
itself.
D
It's
a
it's
a
thinner
gotham
than
what
is
proposed
up,
above
with
the
exception
of
the
e
which
was
modified
because
of
that
was
at
that
point
they
were
trying
to
mirror
the
sign
with
the
museum's
logo.
So
we
were
trying
to
not
create
a
museum
logo
that
becomes
signage.
We
wanted
something
that
would
last
longer
than
that.
So
was
we
were
not
mimicking
that
earlier
sign.
You
know
it
it's
interesting
when
you
think
about
the
visibility
from
that's
a
very
small
view.
D
Going
on
that
tunnel
of
going
just
to
the
museum,
if
it
was
a
much
wider
spread,
I
could
see
they
were
having
even
much
more
impact,
but
I
did
until
you're
right
on
that
view
shed-
and
that's
always
been
one
of
my
concerns
about
plan
sundown,
but
it's
very
narrow,
and
you
know
it's-
is
it
worth
going
to
this
extreme
or
I
mean
you
really
have
to
be
right,
almost
dead
front
in
that
to
see
down
to
the
museum.
I
still,
don't
think
it's
and
there's
nothing
we
can
do
about
it.
D
I
still,
don't
think
it's
wide
enough.
You
shed
for
you
for
the
museum
and
I'm
a
huge
supporter
of
the
museum.
I
joined
the
museum.
Why?
How
and
I
moved
here
13
years
ago,
the
third
week
I
was
here.
Thank
you,
I!
Consider
it
my
second
home
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
is
not
like
an
overkill
to
begin
with,
when
that
small
bution
is,
is
there
so.
B
D
D
E
A
A
E
Okay,
then,
that
is
probably
more
where
and
what
the
designing
architect
had
in
mind.
The
the
to
me
what's
proposed
is
just
to
commercial,
both
in
its
location
and
in
its
style.
This
is
an
Art
Museum
right.
There
are
artists
involved.
Why
weren't
they
involved
in
the
design
of
a
sign,
that's
a
piece
of
art
on
this
building,
and
maybe
it's
sticking
above
the
parapet.
Maybe
it
drapes
over
the
parapet.
Maybe
it
becomes
this
thing,
that's
more
interesting
than
a
Costco
selling.
A
Bill
you
know
and
I
appreciate
that
further
input-
Jeff,
perhaps
you
know
the
signers
that
exists
now
located
behind
the
yes
help
sure
was
that
not
created
by
Jerry
Wexler.
Yes,
it
was
okay.
So
to
your
point
bill
there
was
some
artistic
input
on
the
existing
sign.
I
think
I
think
what
we're
wondering
is
it.
This
one
seems
to
have
lack
some
artistic
input.
It
is
feeling
commercial,
just
commercial
and
it
is
the
arts,
museum,
etc,
etc,
etc.
A
I'm
gonna
look
for
a
motion
from
the
board.
This
is
the
staff
suggestion
is
to
approve
the
certificate
of
rule
subject
to
the
following
conditions.
A
waiver,
or
variance
from
the
sign
area
in
height
limitations,
shall
be
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission
prior
to
the
installation
of
the
proposed
signage.
So
that's
the
staffs
recommendation
I'm
taking
the
temperature
of
the
board
and
feeling
it's
unacceptable.
E
A
A
A
Okay
and
that
would
have
been
5c
on
our
agenda.
Moving
on
that
completes
our
new
business.
We
move
on
to
discussions
six,
six,
a
subcommittee
reports
and
they're.
Not
there
aren't
any
actually
subcommittee
reports
listed
here,
but
I
think
that
we
definitely
wanted
to
mr.
Burkett
myself
and
miss
Dixon
met
with
the
library
board
over
the
courtyard
of
the
Wellwood
murray
library.
So
we
did
have
an
official
meeting
with
them
and
dick
do
you
want
to
take
that
over?
For
me
please?
Yes,
thank.
D
D
The
the
landscape
architect
receiving
information
to
make
any
these
changes,
but
it
was
quite
obvious
and
those
changes
that
we
had
we're
looking
for,
particularly
were
those
from
the
consultant
that
we
had
asked
for
with
mr.
keel
on
to
have
an
input.
So
it
was
quite
disappointing
as
we
started
and
we
were
still
dealing
with
the
same
configurations
that
we
were
not
happy
with
all.
However,
there
was
considerable
position
by
the
other
board,
but
I
think
over
a
period
of
discussions.
D
We
were
able
to
substantiate
that
this
board
has
a
definite
input
on
this
project
because
it
was
appearing
that
we
were
not
trying
to
be
as
polite
as
possible,
so
we
actually
sent
back
the
making
our
recommendations
to
go
back
and
to
include
those
items
and
and
that
it
be
reconfigured
based
upon
mr.
Aquila,
particularly
mr.
keel
on
many
many
comments
and
suggestions
that
he
had
made.
So
I
think
that
is
where
we
are
with
it
and
it's
to
come
back
to
us
or
a.
D
A
And
I
was
also
at
the
meeting
and
I
would
certainly
for
the
board's.
Edification
commend
dick
for
really
a
strong
position
at
that
meeting
and
insisting
that
the
input
from
the
HS
PB
be
HS,
PB
be
considered,
and,
given
its
due
credit,
we
did
ask,
because
there
was
so
much
discussion
about
landscape
materials
and
plant
material,
that
we
did
ask
that
it
go
to
the
AAC
for
their
architect,
their
landscape
people.
To
look
at
it.
C
A
Yes
and
and
Tom
took
lots
of
notes.
We
went
through
mr.
keel
on
recommendations,
one
by
one.
We
addressed
every
single
one
and
Tom
took
the
minutes
and
that
soon
should
still
be
distributed
to
us
for
our
review,
but
it
is
in
it's
still
in
process
and
so
it'll
probably
be
a
while
I
think
before
it
comes
back
to
us.
But
Dix
point
I
want
to
reiterate
it's
our
task
to
oversee
changes
to
this
historic
resource
and
the
patio
area.
A
The
courtyard
area
is
as
important
I
think
as
the
building
and
the
interior
itself,
and
there
was
a
sense
that
it
should
be
new
and
shiny
and
almost
mimic
the
new
downtown
so
that
it
felt
a
part
of
it
and
we
were
both
in
Linda,
Dixon
I'm.
Sorry
Linda's
not
here
this
morning,
because
she
would
certainly
have
additional
input
said
no.
This
should
be
set
aside.
This
should
have
a
different
feeling.
This
should
have
a
different
bench,
etc.
So
it
was
a
very,
very
good
meeting.
A
It
was
several
hours
long
and
so
I'm
thinking
we're
going
to
come
back.
We're
gonna
hear
about
it
again
at
a
future
date.
Yes,
okay,
good
all
right,
I,
don't
know
that
there
are
any
other
subcommittee
reports
here.
D
I'm,
sorry,
what
just
one
other
brief
one
reference
to
the
demo
ordinance
that
were
been
considering
the
next
meeting
was
rescheduled
for
July
23rd,
which
I'm
very
happy
to
say
will
be.
Having
that
meeting,
we
made
a
lot
of
progress
in
the
last
one
and
I
think
we're
really
looking
for
this
next
meeting
coming
up
23rd
having
substantial
headway
from
where
we
can
now
start
dotting
the
I's
and
crossing
the
t's.
So
we're
well
on
our
way
with
that.
So
that's
July,
the
23rd.
C
A
D
Our
first
meeting
organization
meeting,
where
I'd
like
to
be
able
to
explore
and
discuss
with
the
subcommittee
and
also
I,
would
very
much
appreciate.
We
try
to
work
around
Flynn's
schedule,
because
this
initial
meeting
is
really
important,
I'd
like
to
explore
ideas
and
suggestions
and
file
that
I've
started
actually
back
in
April
last
year
of
going
forward,
and
we
had
some
discussions
with
that.
So
I
would
like
to
suggest
invite
an
appoint
if
the
board
would
approve.
D
D
It
was
very,
very,
very
meaningful
and
I
understand,
maybe
can't
attend
all
of
them.
But
I
got
to
tell
you
last
year.
He
was
a
real
sport
and
I
think
there
was
only
one
that
maybe
he
might
have
missed
at
the
last
minute.
So
I
would
recommend
that
if
we
could
have
our
same
group
our
same
team
together
this
year,
I
would
ask
the
board
approval
on
that
I.
E
D
Thank
you
very
much
that
it
I
think
that's
it
because
we
will
be
discussing
I
want
to
explore
whether
the
team,
at
that
point,
these
ideas
and
suggestions,
and
then
we
come
back
in
September
and
then
I
have
some
ideas
about
expanding
the
input
from
organizations
which
I'll
be
discussing
at
that
at
our
July
meeting.
Oh
and
speaking
of
the
July
meeting
in
soliciting
from
Terry
on
Flynn's
availability
for
July
July
30th
was
his
best
day
and
I
know
benson's
believe
is
getting
ready
to
go
out
of
town
after
that.
D
So
if
we
could
schedule
something
for
the
30th
about
everybody's
here
and
when
I
checked
yesterday,
the
schedule
looked
like
it
was
free,
hoping
on
that
one
day.
So
I
could
ask
for
the
afternoon.
I
do
have
a
doctor's
appointment
at
11:00,
so
anytime
from
1:30
on
our
9
o'clock.
It
would
be
which
would
be
best
for
the
team.
We
could
decide
on
that
and
then
we
could
have
that
set.
D
C
E
A
B
C
D
D
D
D
B
To
that,
the
marker
at
talk,
Watts
Plaza,
has
been
installed.
The
marker
on
the
Kathryn
mailer
house,
I,
believe,
is
being
installed.
This
week
we
have
confirmed
for
installing
the
marker
at
the
William
Holden
Depot
estate,
and
we
have
several
others
that
are
waiting
to
be
installed
just
getting
them
into
the
queue
with
facilities.
So
I've
been
working
furiously
to
try
to
build,
get
this
backlog
down
in
little
by
little
I
know
by
little.
We
are
whittling.
It
well.
D
D
We
could
and
then
maybe
we
could
have
a
photo
group
of
them
and
also
I
think
that
a
actually
an
article
in
the
valley
voice
or
your
are
under
your
turn
in
the
Desert
Sun,
when
the
plaques
are
installed,
are
at
the
time
of
designation
I'd,
be
very
happy
to
work
with
staff
in
writing.
Something
for
that.
I
just
think
we
could
I
just
like
to
see
us
become
more
and
more
visible
throughout
the
community.
D
A
D
And
I
think
that
I
think
that
if
we
could
and
I
know,
this
is
a
big
task
for
particularly
for
Ken
and
I
want
to
be
respectful
of
that.
But
if
we
could
sort
of
at
least
shoot
for
a
goal
of
like
six
months
as
an
example
I,
don't
you
tell
me
if
that's
even
realistic
or
not
after
a
designation
is
made
once
you
get
caught
up
I
understand
going
forward
because
it
is
really
you
know,
I
didn't
realize
until
I
heard
from
some
of
these
folks.
Like?
D
B
B
Significant
and
the
the
thing
that
I
think
is
important,
is
that
really
does
extend
the
board's
mission
of
Education
to
the
community?
So
when
you
walk
by
these
buildings,
you
see
the
marker
and
the
marketer
explains
a
little
bit
about
what
its
significance
is.
So
the
I
think
it's
reasonable.
Once
I
can
get
my
sight.
B
D
B
Only
other
comment
I
was
going
to
make
is
we
should
certainly
coordinate
with
Amy
Blaisdell
here
in
the
city's
communications
department.
I
know,
in
some
cases,
I
think
it
was
Royal
Hawaiian,
because
the
architect
was
still
alive
at
the
time
we
did
a
fairly
formal
presentation,
I
believe
through
p
SPF
through
gary.
Was
that
an
orchestrated?
So
there
are
different
ways
we
can
celebrate.
The
installing
of
these
markers
and
I
can
talk
with
you
about
that
offline
yeah.
All.
A
B
A
My
gosh
okay
I'll,
look
for
it
next
time,
I'm
in
the
area,
all
right,
any
other
board
member
comments
or
please.
B
B
Just
with
respect
to
the
racket
club
I
noticed
that
the
scientist
says
that
it's
still
in
escrow
sure
it
hasn't
transferred.
Yet
so
maybe
that's
why
there
hasn't
been
any
activity
with
the
owners.
Potential
owners
and
sponsors
I
wanted
to
mention
that
I
guess.
You
all
know
that
next
year
the
California
Preservation
Foundation
conference
will
be
in
Palm
Springs
from
May
7th
to
May,
10th
and
there's
a
call
for
sessions
for
the
conference
and
I
was
thinking
that
we
could
do
a
session
on
on
the
comprehensive
survey.
A
B
A
A
C
C
A
C
A
C
Orchid
tree
is
looking
like
they're
coming
up
against
their
expiration
date
in
terms
of
their
zoning
entitlements,
November
of
2018,
so
they
need
they're
either
needs
extend
those
entitlements,
or
else
they
lose.
Those
entitlements.
I
know
that
they
have
been
in
discussions
about
possibly
incorporating
additional
properties
into
the
complex
they've,
also
looked
at
potentially
saving
more
of
the
structures
on
the
site
as
part
of
that
plan.
So
there
has
been
some
discussions
with
us.
However,
they
haven't
gotten
to
the
stage
where
they've
submitted
things
for
building
permits.
Yet
so
that's
where
they
are
again.
C
We
appreciate
those
who
have
called
into
code
enforcement
wherever
you
see
that
there
are
openings
in
the
fence
or
things
like
that.
Please
again,
as
you
see
those
things
report
them,
but
that's
where
we
are
with
the
orchid
tree
on
the
cork
and
bottle
we
had
originally
had
that
property
in
escrow
for
sale.
It
has
fallen
out
of
escrow.
They
are
now
opening
that
out
to
new
buyers
and
I
apologize.
C
I
can't
recall
what
our
discussion
was
that
at
the
last
City
Council
meeting,
but
I
have
had
a
couple
of
enquiries
coming
in
to
look
at
the
building,
as
in
terms
of
what
uses
may
be
appropriate
for
that
building
and
also
having
an
understanding
of
its
class
1
designation
and
what
that
means.
So
we
are
looking
for
new
buyers
for
that
property.
I.
A
C
A
A
D
You
I
think
it
was
my
understanding
after
discussions
with
but
Ken
that
I
think
they
had.
They
had
a
very
good
idea
that
actually
they're
the
original.
The
origination
of
this
to
the
Association
would
be
through
the
city
priest
gift
of
sending
a
letter,
and
that
would
be
a
better
way
to
approach
this
as
the
very
beginning.
So
we
still
and
I
sort
of
just
backed
off
until
so,
we
could
maybe
have
that
by
September,
actually
you'll.
D
B
He
said,
and
after
I'd
had
conversations
with,
you,
I
had
conversations
with
Flynn
about
how
to
sort
of
launches
in
a
way
and
I
think
what
we
would
like
to
do
is
kind
of
bring
the
action
forward
in
terms
of
this
was
an
action
of
the
HSP
be
present
that
to
the
Neighborhood
Association
and
then
allow
some
of
the
board
members
in
the
subcommittee
to
begin
talking
about
that
in
in
concert
with
that,
but
that
we
would
help
you
with
that
letter.
That
says
here
was
an
action
of
the
city's
board.
B
C
Chair
at
last
month's
meeting,
there
was
a
discussion
about
the
Mesa
gatehouse.
Oh
yes
and
I
have
an
update
on
that
in
reviewing
the
location
of
the
curb
for
the
new
house.
That's
yes,
installed,
sidewalk,
etc.
The
engineering
services
department
has
determined
that
they
can
leave
the
Mesa
gatehouse
in
its
existing
location.
That
we'll
be
able
to
move
the
curb
on
the
other
side
of
the
gatehouse,
so
that
again
it
remains
protected
in
its
current
location.
So
happy
news
on
that
regard.
C
If
you
don't
want
to
have
to
move
that
structure,
it
is
in
the
city,
right-of-way,
and
so
ultimately
the
city
is
responsible
for
it.
But
again
it
won't
be
impacted
by
the
construction
of
the
single-family
house
on
the
adjacent
parcel
excellent
and
that's
the
only
report
that
I
have
I
don't
know.
Mr.
Lyon,
if
you
have
anything
to
the
board
and.
A
Just
reiterate
what
dick
has
said
earlier
about
code
enforcement
and
how
responsive
code
enforcement
is
it's
a
it's
a
tool
that
we
have
at
our
fingertips
and
we
should
take
advantage
of
it
when
we
see
you
know
things
that
are
threatening
to
our
historic
resources
and
and
especially
for
for
Vincent
and
and
bill
relative
to
the
racket
club,
of
course,
because
you're
in
the
area
so
often
so,
I
don't
have
anything
else.
You
don't.