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From YouTube: City Council Study Session | May 4 2022
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The City of Palm Springs Council Study Session, held May 4th, 2022
A
A
B
A
Next
item
is
public
comment.
I'd
like
to
remind
everyone
that
we
have
only
one
agenda
item
on
this
evening's
agenda
and
that's
a
discussion
of
the
five-year
capital
improvement
program
for
fiscal
years
2023
through
2027
and
a
review
of
the
airport
fund
ending
fiscal
year
2021-22
and
a
preliminary
overview
of
the
fiscal
year.
C
Members
of
the
council
city
staff.
Thank
you.
I
recognize
that
this
is
a
study
session
and
that
you're
in
the
preliminary
process
of
reviewing
the
budget,
so
my
comments
are
not
meant
as
commenting
on
kind
of
what
you
should
do
as
the
outcome
or
come
to
an
outcome
tonight
based
on
this
comment,
but
I
I
read
the
staff
report
and
parts
of
the
cip.
It's
a
very
long
document.
C
I
actually
read
the
prior
version
end
to
end,
but
this
new
one,
the
updated
one
I
haven't
read
completely,
but
I
did
see
some
numbers
related
to
pickleball
in
there
and
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
the
paradigm
that's
in
there
is
correct
and
it's
a
really
important
step
forward.
There's
some
money
in
there
proposed.
I
know
it's
not
definitive.
Nothing
is
definitive
but
for
design,
and
I
think
that
means
studying
what
we
might
want
as
a
facility
looking
at
other
models.
C
There
are
some
great
models
out
there
in
arizona,
as
our
city
manager,
I'm
sure
knows,
and
in
utah,
st
george
and
mesa
arizona,
and
then
there
was
some
money
and
out
years
for
potentially
for
building
some
of
those
facilities,
and
I
think
I
know
the
pickleball
people
myself
and
others
have
been
persistent,
but
we've
also.
We
are
prepared
to
be
patient
and
that
patience
means
doing
the
kind
of
due
diligence
that
would
be
enabled
by
the
council
supporting
that
initial
investment
in
design.
C
So
we
could
really
come
to
a
facility
that
we
can
all
be
proud
of,
and
that
will
bring
the
best
outcome
that
is
possible
to
the
community
when
it's
ready
to
be
built.
So
I
think
the
paradigm
that's
in
there
or
the
the
structure
and
the
potential
outlays
are
a
really
nice
start
and-
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
we
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
mayor
pro
tem
and
council.
This
is
our
second
second
study
session.
The
first
one
was
dedicated
entirely
to
the
general
fund,
the
city's
primary
operating
fund,
where
all
of
the
standard
services
are
provided,
police,
fire,
etc.
Tonight
we're
going
to
focus
in
on
our
airport
and
our
capital
improvements
plan
to
other
significant
components
of
the
budget.
D
The
airport
is
an
enterprise
fund,
so
that
functions
differently
than
our
general
fund,
which
is
considered
a
governmental
fund.
All
that
really
means
is
that
it
functions
like
a
business.
It's
kind
of
a
self-contained
entity
that
has
various
revenue,
sources
and
expenses
and
generally
balances
its
own
budget
and
relies
on
the
rest
of
city
government
provides
some
of
its
support
services,
so
hr
finance,
et
cetera,
et
cetera
the
capital
fund,
a
little
different.
E
Good
evening,
madam
mayor
and
council
members,
I
am
going
to
turn
this
over
to
victoria
carpenter
in
a
second
who's,
our
business
manager
for
the
airport
and
she's
going
to
walk
through
the
slides.
But
I
wanted
to
set
the
context
for
what
we're
asking
for
this
evening.
The
airport
is
seeking
approval
for
a
1.6
million
dollar
increase
in
operating
expenses
to
support
the
hiring
of
12.5
additional
ftes,
largely
for
our
maintenance
planning
and
security
divisions.
E
We
tracked
it
from
our
last
our
2019
last
fiscal
year
to
the
current
fiscal
year
and
there's
been
a
20
increase
in
scheduled
seats
for
all
the
airlines.
In
2021
we
saw
82
percent
of
our
20
2019
passenger
numbers.
The
last
part
of
the
calendar
year
was
most
critical
for
us
because
that's
where
we
actually
saw
passenger
numbers
in
excess
of
fifteen
twenty
percent
month
over
month.
E
And
in
addition
to
that,
we've
got
changing
regulations
and
both
from
the
faa
and
tsa,
as
well
as
some
pretty
heavy
capital
needs.
So
last
meeting
last
study
session,
the
council
had
questions
about
capital.
Specifically,
the
airport
is
required
to
confer
with
the
airlines
about
our
capital
program.
They
have
to
approve
the
program,
so
we
met
with
them
a
few
weeks
ago
and
they
have
approved
that
program.
E
Under
our
current
agreement
for
our
operating
costs,
the
airlines
are
required
to
cover
any
shortfall
in
the
operating
budget
for
the
airport
in
return,
their
airlines
have
a
majority
and
interest
clause
where
they
approve
anything
over
300
000
in
spending.
So
our
intent
is
to
focus
on
building
the
organization
so
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
address.
The
capital
needs
that
we
have
coming
over
the
next
five
to
ten
years
and
with
that
I'll
turn
it
over
to
victoria
and
she
can
do
a
deep
dive
into
the
budget.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
As
mr
barrett
said,
we
are
doing
some
increases
in
our
capital
expenditures
when
comparing
to
the
estimated
2220
or
2122,
we
are
expecting
an
increase
of
2.4
million
and
that's
primarily
due
to
facility
demands
fiscal
year.
23
expenditures
increased
by
about
5.9
million
due
to
increased
passenger
traffic
and
operating
expenses.
F
F
F
F
F
F
F
A
community
and
legislative
airfare
affairs,
specialist
they're,
going
to
be
responsible
for
managing
and
coordinating
governmental
affairs
for
the
airport,
an
airport
operations
specialist
to
address
increased
demand
on
airport
operations,
a
maintenance
supervisor.
Currently
we
have
three
maintenance
supervisors
and
the
addition
of
another
maintenance
supervisor
is
going
to
have.
F
F
F
D
And
victoria
might
be
helpful,
I
think
when
we
project
passengers
from
the
standpoint
of
the
budget,
it's
one
thing,
but
when
we
are
looking
at
operational
issues
and
planning
for
those
operational
issues,
we're
making
other
assumptions
so
both
can
be
conservative
right.
You
might
estimate
fewer
passenger,
less
passenger
growth
for
budgetary
purposes,
but
when
we
look
at
the
operation
side
and
getting
ready
for
systems
and
the
things
we
might
need
to
do
we're
scenario
planning
for
more
robust
growth,
so
that
we're
prepared.
A
The
concern
that,
with
some
of
the
potential
for
growth
and
some
of
the
need
that
we
have
already
identified
that,
we
may
need
a
more
robust
plan
to
to
be
able
to
meet
the
demands
that
the
public's
going
to
bring
to
us,
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds
with.
Do
we
need
this
or
do
we
need
that,
but
our
airport
is
incredibly
successful.
As
we
know.
G
Hi,
thank
you.
I
have
a
question
about
capital
improvement
projects
for
the
airport,
so
you
just
reference
them.
Is
this
the
right
time
to
ask
about
them,
or
should
I
wait
into
the
larger
discussion?
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
question
for
the
city
manager
or
the
mayor,
since
I'm
not
sure
how
this
will
be
facilitated.
G
G
Our
brand
is
so
exciting
as
a
destination
and
we're
just
seeing
such
growth
and
I'm
questioning
how
much
to
invest
in
our
airport.
Now
to
really
you
know,
address
the
ongoing
maintenance
issues
and
sort
of
the
lack
of
investment
which
we've
made
over
the
last
few
years
and
how
to
you
know,
also
grow
and
make
sure
that
it's
you
know
the
type
of
airport
that
our
visitors
and
residents
expect.
So
could
you
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
that.
E
E
focusing
on
this
year,
we've
decided
to
keep
it
conservative
just
because
we
really
didn't
know
where
the
industry
was
headed,
specific
to
the
issues
with
the
increases
in
fuel
prices
with
inflation.
A
large
part
of
our
traffic
comes
from
canada.
The
canadian
airports
are
debt
laden,
so
we're
really
concerned
about
what
that
looks
like
going
into
the
next
few
years
and
how
aggressive
we
should
be
with
regard
to
our
capital
program.
E
Also
in
our
discussions
with
the
federal
aviation
administration,
their
concern
was
that
we
really
need
to
focus
on
improvement,
safety
improvements
to
the
airfield
itself
and
that's
what
they
were
willing
to
fund
the
safety
issues
over
capacity
or
customer
experience
issues.
So,
in
our
analysis,
we
tried
to
focus
on
those
sprinkling
in
a
little
bit
of
the
customer
experience
issues
and
that's
how
we
got
to
the
restroom
improvements
and
things
like
common
use.
G
Thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
the
investments
now
and
I
appreciate
the
carpet
is
so
needed
and
the
restaurant
restroom
improvements
will
just
really
upgrade
the
experience.
So
I
really
appreciate
that,
and
so
do
you
think
that
there's
funding
and
capacity
to
do
additional
capital
improvement
projects
at
this
time
or
is
sort
of
that?
What
we
were
you
know
approved
for
at
least
by
the
faa,
for
that
porsche
faa
for
that
portion
of
the
funding
when
you're
thinking
through
how
to
aggressive
to
be
and
how
much
to
keep
in
reserves.
Yes,.
G
Thank
you,
that's
helpful
and
I'm
just
one
person
on
council
out
of
five
but
and
it's
hard
to
do
this
budgeting
to
predict
the
future
in
such
uncertain
times,
but
I
definitely
at
least
think
that
this
is
the
time
to
invest
in
our
airport.
Since
we
are
getting
so
many
new
travelers
and
we
could
make
it
a
really
beautiful
airport
when
we
have
an
additional
funding
to
use
and
I'd
love
to
you
know,
keep
those
customers
and
grow
that
base.
I
think
I
saw
in
the
staff
report.
G
E
G
Thank
you
and
then
is
it
listed.
I'm
sorry,
there's
123
pages
in
the
capital
improvement
plan
here,
so
I
didn't
want
to
make
sure
of
the
right
page,
but
are?
Is
there
a
list
of
the
additional
projects,
capital
improvement
projects
for
the
airport?
That
would
be
next
in
line
if
the
city
did
decide
to
take
a
more
aggressive
position
in
investing
in
the
airport.
G
A
D
That's
correct
at
this
point:
it's
just
direction,
although
this
is
the
time
if,
if
council
was
inclined
to
seek
particular
changes
or
additional
analysis,
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
at
the
end
of
our
conversation
today
about
what
follow-up
looks
like
and
how
much
time
we
have
and
or
will
need,
and
whether
that
will
be
an
additional
study
session
or
upcoming
regular
sessions.
But
this
is
the
primary
presentation
of
the
basic
information.
So
if
there
is
direction
to
bring
back
anything
additional
or
changes,
this
is
a
good
time
to
identify
that.
G
I
think
I
could,
if
I
could
add,
I'm
so
sorry
dennis
comes
to
my
woods.
I
didn't
see
you
there
hard
to
see
you
from
the
zoom
room.
I
would
ask
council
if
there
is
a
consensus
or
majority
who
would
like
to
see
sort
of
analysis
about
what
is
the
appropriate
amount
of
reserves
and,
if
there's
any
other
capital
improvement
projects
that
would
be
possible,
possibly
funded
or
considered
at
this
time.
D
D
D
If
we
were
talking
about
discretionary
resources
in
our
general
fund
or
some
of
our
capital
funds,
we're
also
going
to
have
a
broader
conversation
about
capital
funding
and
capacity
next,
which
might
help
illuminate
our
ability
to
invest
anywhere
across
the
spectrum
of
possible
capital
improvements.
We
we
do
have
opportunities
to
prioritize,
but,
generally
speaking,
the
same
staff
would
oversee
airport
improvements
that
would
oversee
parks
and
facilities
and
other
kinds
of
improvements,
so
we're
also
balancing
there
on
and
kind
of
where
we
put
emphasis.
A
G
It's
really
hard
to
have
this
conversation,
at
least
for
me,
because
I
don't
see
what
would
be
additional
capital
improvement
projects
that
are
next
in
line
at
the
airport
that
could
be
considered
compared
to
keeping
money
in
the
fund
in
the
airport
fund,
and
so
I
I
I
do
know.
Obviously
it's
an
enterprise
fund,
but
there
are
other.
You
know
there
are
sources
of
funding
that
we
could
consider
for
those
projects.
G
So
you
know
if,
if
staff's
recommendation
is
that
you
know
these
are
the
improvements
we
should
make
right
now
and
we
should
make
no
addition.
You
know
no
further
analysis
of
additional
capital
projects
at
the
airport
at
this
time,
then
that's
the
recommendation.
So,
but
that's
my
question
is:
is
that
something
that
we
should
further
investigate?.
D
So
there's
certainly,
I
think
an
opportunity
to
talk
about
whether
some
investments
are
more
important
than
the
ones
that
we've
proposed,
probably
with
the
airport,
and
we
might
need
more
direction
from
mr
baird
on
this.
But
I
don't
know
that
we
could
supplant
some
of
the
customer
experience.
Investments
for
some
of
the
life
safety,
things
that
are
just
going
to
be
needed
and
dictated
by
faa.
E
Me
to
add
to
that
or
yeah
yeah,
so
we
can
absolutely
look
at
other
projects.
I
think
the
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
we
have
an
obligation
to
go
back
to
the
tenants
and
vet
those
projects
with
the
tenants
and
under
our
current
agreement
with
the
airlines.
They
actually
do
have
veto
power
under
that
current
agreement,
so
they
can
block
a
project
if
it's
funded
with
their
their
funds
for
the
airport.
G
Thank
you-
and
I
was
mostly
referring
to
customer
experience
improvements
because
there
are
more
that
we
need
than
carpets
and
restrooms.
So
that's
helpful,
thank
you
and
for
the
city
manager
just
really
fast,
so
the
limiting
factor
in
terms
of
doing
additional
capital
improvement
projects.
Can
you
just
explain
that
for
the
public
about
why
it's
an
either
or.
D
Yes,
so
not
to
get
too
far
ahead,
but
we're
right
on
the
cusp
of
talking
about
our
capital
improvements
plan,
as
it
is
right
now,
our
team
that
oversees
capital
projects
has
about
333
million
dollars
of
active
projects,
so
some
of
those
are
in
a
phase
of
early
planning,
some
of
them
in
design.
Some
of
them
are
almost
finished,
but
not
finished,
and
so
there's
there's
there's.
Frankly,
that's
a
staggering
number
for
for
me
when,
when
I
understand
the
size
of
our
team
and
the
the
volume
of
work,
it's
to
just
be
frank.
D
D
We
submitted
a
budget
request
to
council
for
an
additional
project
manager
or
engineer
to
help
oversee
things,
but
if
we
issued
that
project
that
project
manager
position
today,
that
person
is
probably
fully
up
and
running
in
about
12
months,
you
know
maybe
six
but
but
flying
solo,
so
to
speak
a
little
longer.
So
so
there's
just
not
much
on
the
horizon
of
this
budget.
D
To
just
add,
we
can
replace,
but
it's
difficult
at
this
point
to
add,
because
some
of
the
decisions
that
were
made
many
many
years
ago,
those
projects
just
still
aren't
done
and
again
we'll
explain
that
a
little
more
in
detail
on
a
project
by
project
basis.
So
council
understands
that.
But
but
the
bottom
line
is
there
just
isn't
a
lot
of
space
to
add
new
without
removing
something.
D
Yes
and
then
the
other
issue
with
the
airport
in
particular,
is
that
we
need
to
complete
some
of
those
life
safety
type
improvements
that
are
dictated
by
the
faa.
So
what
we're
really
doing
there
is
is
looking
to
either
de-prioritize
some
of
those
customer
experience,
capital
improvements
for
others
or
potentially
adding
to
them.
So,
like
I
said
we
could
accelerate
something.
That's
planned
for
2324
to
get.
It
done.
D
H
First
of
all,
for
those
who
don't
know,
congratulations
on
your
promotion
to
the
director
position
of
our
airport
so
yay.
I
know
it
was
announced
last
night
at
state
of
the
city,
but
I
wanted
to
announce
it
to
a
broader
audience
tonight
and
I
can't
think
of
the
a
better
person
at
this
point
and
I've
gotten
incredible
feedback
from
residents
and
my
district
is
very
impacted
by
the
airport.
So
thank
you
for
your
conscientiousness
with
dealing
with
those
residents.
H
This.
The
questions
I
want
to
ask
are
just
a
little
better
understanding
and
it
may
be
captured
in
the
city
manager's
response
of
those
ongoing
projects
that
are
already
funded.
But
I
want
to
ask
about
a
couple
of
those
to
make
sure
that
we're
that
we're
okay,
one
of
them,
is
you
know
we
redid
our
baggage
handling,
and
I
know
it
needs
some
tweaks
and
stuff.
Is
that
funding
in
there
and
available
to
make
that
happen?.
E
We
have
funding
available
for
it.
We
haven't
identified
a
cost
for
it
only
because
we're
still
in
the
assessment
phase
of
figuring
out
what
you
know,
what
needs
to
happen
with
baggage
handling
systems.
So
once
that
assessment
is
done,
we're
looking
at
about
two
months,
then
we
can
determine
from
there
what
needs
to
happen
in
terms
of
any
additional
capital
investment
or
whether
we
need
to
make
some
operational
changes.
H
H
E
E
We
would
use
the
money
that
we
have
on
hand,
but
there
would
likely
be
a
combination
of
funding
sources,
so
our
passenger
facility
charges
any
additional
grants
discretionary
or
entitlement
from
the
faa,
and
we
would
likely
go
to
the
airlines
to
to
discuss
fees
and
negotiate
with
airlines
as
well.
Great.
The.
E
D
Fantastic-
and
that
said
quickly,
you
might
want
to
just
explain
that
we
we
have
brought
to
council
some
revised
fees
that
are
meant
to
accumulate
some
dollars,
anticipating
that
capital
cost,
and
there
has
been
some
very
conceptual
level
planning
that
we
would
intend
to
follow
up
on.
I
think
over
the
course
of
the
next
year,
approximately
to
start
making
more
concrete
decisions
on
what
that
build-out
will
look
like.
H
H
Okay,
all
right
great
good,
that's
good
to
know,
and
then
the
the
you
know
like,
like
you
know,
painting
the
the
signs
white
and
keeping
that
maintained,
and
all
of
that
is
that
out
of
the
airport
budget,
or
is
that
out
of
the
city
budget,
that's
out
of
the
airport
budget
and
that's
fully
budgeted
that
type
of
maintenance?
Yes,
okay
and
the
last
question:
thanks
is
you
know
we
had
an
issue
where
we
were
like
at
capacity
with
our
parking.
Do
we
need
any
improvements
with
that
either?
E
E
You're
exactly
right,
so
that's
one
of
those
future
projects
that
I
was
referring
to
earlier,
that
we
have
on
our
list
to
manage,
and
that
includes
potentially
a
new
revenue
system
and
you
know
maybe
reconfiguration
of
the
parking
or
maybe
some
land
acquisition.
We
don't
quite
know
yet,
but
that's
something
that
we
plan
to
bring
to
the
council
in
the
future.
D
Just
to
explain
a
little
bit,
we
do
have
numerous
projects
ongoing.
You
referenced
a
couple
of
those
some
of
the
others,
with
some
of
our
shared
space
at
gates,
etc
is
ongoing,
but
we
also
intend
to
start
really
looking
comprehensively
at
planning
simultaneous
to
that.
So
we're
really
looking
forward
and
anticipating
things
like
rental
car
facilities,
parking
space,
a
remainder
of
available
property
on
the
airport.
You
know,
anticipating
more
robust
growth.
All
of
those
things.
G
Thank
you.
I
just
have
one
more
follow-up
question,
so
so
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this.
So
if
internal
staffing
for
project
management
is
the
cap
on
our
ability
to
you
know,
do
additional
projects
at
this
time,
even
though
you
know
the
residents
are
asking
us
to
make
additional
capital
improvement
projects
in
our
community,
both
at
the
airport
and
through
the
city.
G
So
I
know
we
have
unions
and
we
have
you
know,
limitations
in
what
can
be
in-house
and
what
can
be
contracted
and
we
prefer
in-house
definitely,
but
is
that
something
that
we
can
use
consultants
for
or
other
external
people
to
get
some
of
that
stuff
done?
That
really
needs
to
get
done
at
the
airport
or
throughout
the
community.
D
We
do
use
consultants,
it's
certainly
a
blend
and
and
when
our
city
engineer
comes
up,
he
can
tell
you
a
little
bit
more
about
the
blend,
but
we
rely
pretty
heavily
on
consultants
as
it
is
and,
yes,
we
can,
we
can
look
to
ramp
up.
I
think
one
of
the
conversations
we
want
to
have
is:
what
do
we
consider
a
kind
of
sustainable
approach
to
capital
improvements?
D
So
there
was
a
conversation
when
we
presented
the
general
fund
about
it
being
difficult
to
assess
the
new
investments
proposed
for
operations
without
knowing
where
we're
at
with
capital.
So
that's
going
to
be
part
of
the
way
we
frame
the
conversation
today
to
better
understand
our
approach
there.
When
you
look
at
incoming
revenue
to
the
capital
fund,
which
we'll
look
at
in
detail
here
in
a
bit,
I
really
think
it
provides
some
unique
opportunities
to
invest
and
a
lot
of
those
are
without
looking
at
things
like
the
airport.
D
But
when
you
start
to
add
to
the
incoming
sources
that
are
going
to
total
tens
of
millions
of
dollars,
you
start
to
add
airport
wastewater
and
some
of
the
other
areas
where
we
have
purview.
It
really
is
a
lot
we
can
staff
up
two
or
three
or
four
positions
to
accelerate,
but
we
wouldn't
want
to
get
so
far
out
in
front
that
we're
kind
of
racing
to
the
finish
line
and
we're
going
to
spend
an
accumulated
balance
and
then
not
have
as
much
to
invest
in
and
have
a
team.
That's
oversized.
D
D
So
I
I'm
just
cautious
that,
even
if
we
grow,
we
grow
in
a
managed
way
so
that
we
we
ensure
quality.
I
I
don't
don't
miss,
hear
me
that
I
think
we
we
need
to
go
super
slow,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
want
to
find
the
right
balance
between
quantity
of
projects
and
the
quality
of
those
projects.
I
think
we
can
do
10.
We
can
invest
tens
of
millions
every
single
year.
D
D
So
I've
I've
given
away
some
of
my
notes
to
set
up
the
conversation
on
capital
improvements,
but
before
joel
and
his
team
come
up,
I
do
want
to
just
say
a
couple
of
other
things.
So,
in
terms
of
big
picture,
we've
covered
our
operating
account,
which
is
the
general
fund.
We've
covered
our
really
significant
enterprise
fund,
our
business
type
fund
with
the
airport
and
now
we're
going
to
turn
attention
to
capital
improvements.
D
Capital
improvements
really
is
our
investment
in
assets.
We
we
take
in
a
number
of
revenue
sources
that
accumulate
and
help
us
complete
those
projects.
Some
of
them
are
restricted
in
nature,
some
of
them
aren't
and
and
what
we've
done
effective
last
year
is:
we've
created
a
longer
term
outlook
on
capital
projects,
so
we
really
know
what's
coming
so
we've
we
have.
What
would
we
propose
to
be
a
five-year
rolling
planning
horizon
and
and
we're
going
to
focus
a
lot
on
the
funded
year
and
the
year?
D
So
we
want
you
to
be
able
to
participate
in
and
understand,
and
you
know
what
is
what
kind
of
projects
are
contemplated
in
those
future
years
and
again
give
us
some
advice
on
where
we
should
accelerate
some
and
maybe
defer.
Others
add
things
that
aren't
on
the
list
at
all.
But
some
of
our
program
has
just
already
been
established
by
previous
decisions.
D
D
D
D
It's
possible
that
they'll
have
a
project
or
two
in
mind
that
is
not
on
the
list
or
that
they'll
see
kind
of
some
of
the
emphasis
in
funding
differently,
one
way
or
the
other.
Those
funds
are
available
and
we'll
come
to
bear
on
the
capital
improvements
plan.
So
from
a
bottom
line
perspective,
it
doesn't
change
our
ability
to
fund
the
projects,
it's
just
some
of
the
specifics
of
where
those
dollars
go.
D
Lastly,
there
was
a
conversation
that
I
touched
on
about
balancing
the
general
fund
and
the
capital
fund.
There's
no
magic
way
to
do
it
most
communities,
all
of
the
the
ones
that
I've
served
and
most
that
I
know
of
don't
often
have
a
dedicated
source
like
sales
tax
tot
or
those
kinds
of
things
that
generally
land
in
the
in
the
general
fund.
Some
communities
opt
to
make
a
transfer
a
regular
transfer
every
year.
D
As
you'll
see
by
the
time
you
layer,
measure
j,
some
of
our
other
restricted
sources
and
grants
it,
it
really
enables
us
to
contemplate
in
some
years
you
know
60
million
dollars
of
projects.
You
know
big
numbers
when
you
consider
that
whole
libraries
and
fire
stations
and
things
could
could
fit
within
a
year
like
that,
big
bridges
etc.
So
I
think
long
term.
It
really
enables
robust
investment
in
our
community,
but
it
does
happen
in
bits
and
pieces
sustained
over
time,
just
like
repairing
roads,
just
like
building
out
bike
pads.
D
Lastly,
we've
we've
organized
a
lot
of
the
capital
projects
under
the
headings
of
your
priorities,
so
that
you
can
understand
how
they
relate.
Sometimes
they
fit
in
more
than
one.
So
I
noticed
some
projects
that
are
infrastructure,
that
they
also
happen
to
be
parks,
right,
ingress
and
egress
at
du
mouth
might
not
be
as
fun
as
the
rec
center
itself,
but
it
does
help
those
spaces
to
be
more
more
functional,
so
they're
organized
that
way.
D
So
you
understand
how
they
connect,
but
as
we
review
them,
you'll
better
understand
that
really
all
of
these
are
community
projects
that
benefit
residents,
even
the
ones
that
they
don't
all
see
like,
like
the
sewer
pipes
and
the
in
the
drainage
and
things.
So
with
that.
I'd
like
to
turn
it
over
to
our
city
engineer,
to
provide
some
more
specifics
and
we're
happy
to
answer
questions
as
we
go.
J
J
If
I
have
any
information,
you
might
need
so
I'll
go
through
through
the
presentation,
but
I
think
it's
going
to
be
better
if
we
do
have
a
dialogue
back
and
forth,
so
the
the
what
is
the
cip,
so
the
cip
is
a
budgeting
and
strategic
planning
tool.
It's
used
to
prioritize
construction
and
public
infrastructure
and
facilities
for
the
next
five
years
and
as
well.
It's
like
it's
meant
to
identify
funding
sources.
J
California,
government
code,
65403
and
the
administrative
element
of
the
city's
general
plan
requires
at
the
city
council
review
and
adopt
a
capital
improvement
program
each
year.
So,
prior
to
last
year,
the
city
was
doing
informal,
multiple
year
improvement
programs.
So
we
were
establishing
multiple
years
improvement
programs
for
the
gas
tax
measure
a
and
we
were
also
doing
it
for
measure
j.
J
So
last
year
was
the
first
year
that
staff
prepared
a
comprehensive
five-year
cip
from
fiscal
year,
2122
through
fiscal
year
2526,
so
that
was
to
strategic,
strategically
identify
all
the
current
multi-year
and
ongoing
capital
projects.
So
the
cip
identifies
all
the
projects
that
the
engineering
division
will
be
working
on
for
the
next
five
years,
along
with
all
the
funding
sources.
So
in
this
slide
you
can
tell
that
we
are
not
only
using
measure
j,
but
we
also
have
multiple
funding
sources,
the
gas
tax
measure,
a
drainage,
sb1,
quimby
and
other
federal
and
state
grants.
J
J
So
we
typically
help
with
our
department
helps
with
we
provide
support
and
we
interact
with
the
general
public,
land
developers,
contractors,
consultants,
federal
and
state
agencies,
local
agencies,
commissions,
1ps,
neighborhood
groups
and
other
city
departments,
so
for
actually
working
on
capital
projects.
We
have
five
engineers
and
we
have
one
position:
that's
vacant
right
now,
so
those
five
engineers
are
working
on
the
64
projects
and
the
333
million
dollars
worth
of
projects.
So
that's
that's
something
that
the
city
manager
was
touching
on
earlier.
J
So
I'm
going
to
go,
I
guess
I'm
going
to
repeat
myself,
but
I
guess
it
is
good
to
to
kind
of
go
through
the
presentation.
So
we
have
64
capital
projects
worth
333
million.
Most
of
the
projects
were
presented
last
year
in
the
five-year
cip
and
as
the
city
manager
noted,
the
navigation
center
was
not.
But
one
thing
to
note
is
in
the
five-year
cip.
We
didn't.
We
didn't.
Last
year's
cip
didn't
have
all
the
projects
that
were
already
fully
funded
and
we
were
working
on.
So
that's
that's
a
that's
why!
J
Last
year
we
had
51
projects,
I
believe
in
the
cip,
but
totally
we
had
like
64
or
more
being
worked
on
and
from
there
then,
to
now,
we've
completed
some
and
we've
added
some.
So
what
we
did
with
the
the
these
64
projects,
we
used
that
the
city
manager
mentioned
the
council
priority,
so
we
grouped
the
64
projects
into
the
four
priorities:
quality
of
life,
environmental
stewardship,
community
infrastructure
and
good
governance.
J
In
addition,
we
also
segregated
the
projects
into
the
airport
projects,
as
we
men,
as
you
heard
earlier,
all
the
airport
projects,
at
least
the
capital
projects
are
actually
being
touched
by
engineering
engineering
also
is
working
on
the
wastewater
plants
and
we're
working
on
federal
bridge
projects,
state-funded
safety
projects
and
other
miscellaneous
projects
that
are
don't
really
fit
into
a
category.
So,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned
earlier,
we
are
challenged
with
current
staffing
levels
to
deliver
all
the
other,
the
existing
64
capital
projects
and
adding
more
projects.
J
J
J
Its
quality
of
life
is
a
navigation
center
and
it
fits
into
the
category
of
improved
homelessness
for
community
infrastructure,
deferred
maintenance.
We
have
a
few
projects
there,
the
genotry
trail
wind
wall,
I'm
sure.
If
you've
driven
on
gene
autry,
you
see
that
there's
a
wooden
fence
out
there
holding
sand
back
we're
working
on
a
project
that
will
make
it
a
real
tall
fence.
J
J
I
could
what
we
have
designing
is
a
full
10
foot
tall
10
to
14
foot
tall
block
wall
that
will
screen
out
the
the
sand
from
for
about
120
feet.
If
I,
if
I
recall,
and
we're
also
putting
center
dividers
on
gene
autry,
so
that
cars
don't
cross
a
divider,
so
we're
still
in
the
design
phases
of
that
project.
J
Unfortunately,
that
wall
does
not
extend
far
enough
to
to
actually
prevent
the
closure
of
gene
autry.
It's
going
to
prevent
at
the
changing
grade
at
approaching
the
freeway
is
where
we
we
have
certain
issues,
that's
what
we're
trying
to
resolve
with
this,
but
the
actual
closures
could
still
happen,
because
the
wall
will
not
extend
the
entire
length
of
dean.
Audrey.
A
D
J
Sure
sure
so,
each
one
of
our
projects
has
is
a
two
composed
of
two
digits
essentially
or
four
digits.
The
first
two
digits
are
actually
the
year
when
the
project
became
an
official
project.
So
if
you
go
down
to
our
full
list
of
projects,
you'll
see
the
very
first
one
was
started
in
2001
and
that's
the
indian
canyon
bridge.
So
if
you're
looking
at
a
project,
you
can
go
down
and
tell
exactly
when
engineering
made
it.
J
J
Here
we
have
downtown
park,
it's
still
on
there,
because
we
we
still
are
doing
some
things
to
that
park.
So,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned,
projects
sometimes
linger
on
beyond
construction,
and
we
still
have
to
work
on
them.
So,
even
though
it
seems
the
project's
done,
staff
is
still
engaged
doing
other
things
on
the
pro
on
on
the
actual
prior
project
itself.
Excuse
me,
so
we
have
improvements
to
demuth
park,
ada,
so
recreation
field
lights
right
now
is
being
designed.
J
Pavilion
acoustics
right
now
has
been
designed
playground
resurfacing.
We
just
wrapped
up
the
last
playground,
desert
highlands
and
demuth
park.
Restrooms
are
being
constructed,
so
you
can
see
we
have
active
projects
in
parks
and
community
assets.
We
also
have,
if
you
look
to
3b,
expanding
walking
and
biking
infrastructure.
This
is
where
the
city
manager
mentioned,
that
a
lot
of
projects
fit
into
different
criteria
for
council
priorities.
So
a
lot
of
the
highway
safety
improvement
projects.
J
There's
also
local
road
safety
plans
that
we'll
get
into
a
little
bit
later
on
and
the
cv
link.
Also,
you
think
cblink
is
being
done
by
cvac,
but
that
actually
has
an
engineer
on
our
team
working
meeting
with
them,
making
sure
we're
reviewing
their
traffic
control,
making
sure
they're.
You
know
following
our
our
specifications
so
that
project,
even
though
it's
not
funded
or
being
worked
on
directly
by
the
city,
is
actually
taking
staff
time.
G
Thank
you
joelle
for
the
presentation,
so
you
just
had
a
slide
up
about
the
downtown
park
and
I
know
we've
gotten
a
lot
of
questions
about
what
further
the
city
is
going
to
do
on
it,
especially
with
the
substation
there
for
the
police
department
and
then
that
block
that's
chained
off
and
closed,
but
it
seems
like
the
work
has
completed
there.
So
could
you
just
give
an
update
on
the
park?
Please,
especially
that
block
e,
that's
adjacent
to
it.
J
So
I
don't
have
any
information
on
the
block
itself
and
what
the
city
is
planning
to
to
do
with
that
block.
It's
open,
I
think,
a
city
property,
but
I
don't
have
any
information
on
what
future
projects
are
going
to
be
done
in
that
block.
It's
corded
off.
I
think
our
our
city,
crews
are
using
it
for
certain
things,
but
it
for
now
I
don't
have
a
plan
or-
or
I
don't
know,
of
a
plan
of
what's
going
on
with
that
block.
A
Well,
thank
you
councilmember
halstead,
for
raising
that
question.
I
think
the
potential
use
for
that
block
is
one
that
calls
for
city
council
to
have
some
conversations
about
what
are
some
of
the
options
that
we
might
have
in
terms
of
directions
to
take,
and
would
be
an
important
conversation
for
us
to
have
somewhere
in
the
future.
G
Thank
you.
We've
just
gotten
feedback
from
surrounding
community
members
that
it's
sort
of
an
adding
to
the
blight
of
that
area,
or
at
least
isn't
contributing
to
that
neighborhood
or
the
season
that
area
of
town
that
we
very
much
want
to
redevelop.
So
I
would
like
we've
been
asked
for
intermediary
efforts
to
just
clean
it
up
and
open
it
up.
It
really
is
blocking
off
half
the
downtown
park.
So
sorry
to
you
know
it.
G
D
If
I
could
just
add
to
the
yeah,
that's
that's
a
great
conversation
to
have.
If
there's
a
property
like
that
that
we
want
to
elevate
in
priority,
we
have
looked
at
it
from
kind
of
a
conceptual
point
of
view.
There
are
some
you
know,
there's
uneven
concrete
exposed,
rebar,
there's
some
shoring
and
load-bearing
issues
the
same
ones
that
we
had
when
we
built
the
park.
So
I
think
something,
shorter
term
and
interim
would
still
require
number
one,
reconciling
a
vision
and
two
kind
of
dealing
with
some
of
those
safety
issues
on
the
property.
D
But
we
can
certainly
do
that.
Alternatively,
if
we
wanted
to
do
something
even
more
short
term,
it
might
be
improving
the
fencing
to
incorporate
a
decorative
banner
style
construction
fence
screening
so
that
it
was
just
aesthetically
more
pleasant.
We're
open
to
both
something
more
long-term
would
likely
have
to
deal
even
more
with
some
of
the
structural
issues
and
things
like
that.
D
We
could
certainly
look
at
that
as
an
option.
I
think
when
we
start
to
consider
things
like
exposed
rebar
that
might
I
don't
know
if
those
are
tie-in
points
for
future.
You
know
anything,
but
we
would
want
to
look
at
all
of
that
carefully,
but
it
may
be
that
some
sort
of
grading
and-
and
just
you
know
putting
something
down
would
work.
I
I
think
stacy
shafer,
our
director
of
maintenance,
has
also
looked
into
that
and
she's
here
tonight.
So
I
might
just
see
if
she
has
anything
else
to
contribute
to
that.
J
But
I
will
note
that
the
the
actual
platform
itself
is
limited
on
how
much
weight
it
could
take.
So
if
we,
in
order
to
cover
certain
differences
in
elevation
to
avoid
tripping
hazards,
if
we
go
beyond
a
certain
threshold
of
weight,
we
could
ex
expose
or
or
weaken
the
the
top
plate
of
that.
So
there's
certain
considerations,
as
the
city
manager
mentioned,
that
we
would
look
at.
K
So
one
of
the
issues
that
we
have
described
already
is
that
you
know
per
square
foot.
We
have
a
very
limited
amount
of
weight
that
we
can
put
on
right
now
on.
The
footprint
that
is
left
behind
was
from
a
retail
store
in
a
previous
life.
So
it's
not
just
uneven.
It
is
dramatically
uneven
with
large
sections
missing
rebar
still
coming
through
there's
old
generators.
We
don't
even
know
the
tie
ends
for
there's
actually
quite
a
bit
in
that
area.
It
would
be
more
than
just
level
on
the
top.
K
We
would
have
to
bring
it
down
grade
across
and,
of
course,
the
weight
would
be
concerns
as
we
go
through
that,
but
just
just
so
we
understand
that
we're
talking
several
feet
of
concrete
that
are
uneven
throughout
that
whole
space,
and
we
definitely
will
be
looking
into
more
decorative
fencing
options,
but
right
now
it's
not
something.
We
would
want
to
open
up
to
the
public
for
liability
reasons.
It's.
H
I
had
a
mirror
if
I
could
thanks
stacey
and
I
I
want
to
I
don't.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
you're
doing
for
the
city.
You
have
a
huge
job
as
our
infrastructure
is
deteriorating,
so
thank
you
for
keeping
it
going.
You
know,
I
agree
with
the
questions
of
the
mayor
and
with
council
member
hostage.
It
is
an
eyesore
in
in
that
place.
Right
now
and
I
know
we're
gonna
have
a
development
that's
going
across
from
it,
but
we
don't
know
what
we're
gonna
do
with
this.
H
You
know
and
an
exposed
rebar
is
compromised
if
it's
exposed
to
the
elements
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
should
not
spend
some
money
to
see
what
we
need
to
do,
because
it
doesn't
sound
like
in
the
near
future.
We
have
a
plan
for
that
site,
so
it
could
go
on
for
years
and
that
may
not
be
a
good
thing
for
either
the
structure,
safety
or
or
just
the
overall
look.
K
Currently,
we're
already
starting
the
just
internally
since
we
plan
to
use
that
for
some
minor
stage,
and
we
already
already
use
that
for
some
of
the
attic
stock
from
the
downtown
park
for
some
of
the
benches
and
large
concrete
extra
fencing.
We've
already
started
grinding
some
of
the
edges
and
we're
trying
to
identify
what
rebar
we
have
where
it's
tied
in,
so
that
we
can
address
that.
And
currently
it's
covered
just
for
internal
staff
safety.
But
we're
going
through
that
incrementally
to
try
to
address
those
issues.
J
So
here
we
have
the
other
projects
that
I
didn't
quite
tie
them
into
council
priorities,
but
they
they
should
stand
alone.
The
federal
bridge
program
that
we
have.
We
have
six
federally
funded
bridges.
Each
one
of
those
bridges
is
in
different
different
stages.
If
you
will-
and
you
can
tell
the
o1
there
is-
this
project
was
probably
envisioned
before
2000,
but
it
started
officially
in
2001.,
we're
in
2022
and
we're
still
working
on
it
trying
to
get
it
constructed.
So
you
see
the
the
six
bridges
there.
J
So
hopefully
we
caltrans
and
the
state
has
the
money
to
fund
us
when
we're
ready
to
go
to
construction.
But
that's
that's
a
nice
size
bridge.
I'm
excited
to
be
part
of
that
project.
Between
my
principal
engineer,
don
and
myself,
we're
handling
all
six
bridges
or
working
on
them.
If
you
will
and
then
miscellaneous
projects
that
come
up,
you
know
we
have,
the
riverside
county
flood
control
is
has
awarded
a
7.2
million,
I
believe,
to
construct
a
storm
drain
line
on
ramon
road
right
next
to
the
high
school.
J
That
project
is
almost
completed
and
that's
a
major
construction
project.
That's
also
going
to
occupy
one
of
our
engineers
for
at
least
a
year
and
that's
going
to
be
a
very
disruptive
project
and
we'll
see
you
know
we're
going
to
try
to
time
it.
So
it's
being
done
when
school's
out,
but
that's
a
very
important
project.
It's
not
sexy,
it's
it,
but
it
is
really
needed
and
the
infrastructure.
J
As
far
as
strong
grain
is
concerned,
the
city
is
lacking
and
we
need
to
to
move
to
do
some
of
those
projects
as
well
and
I'll
move
on
other
projects.
As
I
mentioned,
we're
working
on
the
wastewater
project,
so
we
have
the
bulgar
trail,
lift
station.
That
project
is
being
awarded
or
was
awarded
yeah.
It's
it's
about
to
be
awarded
2025
the
digester
number
two
and
gas
layer
improvement
project.
That's
a
15
million
dollar
construction
project.
So
we
have
one
team.
J
Member
that's
working
on
our
wastewater
projects
and
that
same
team
members
also
working
on
the
airport
or
some
of
the
airport
projects
that
you
see
below
there.
So
what
I
was
trying
to
show
in
these
slides
is
all
these
projects.
We
have
five
engineers
and
we're
spread
out
trying
to
do
all
of
them
at
all
at
different
stages.
J
So
now
I'm
gonna
actually
get
into
the
what
are
the
objectives
of
the
five-year
cip,
so
the
objectives
are
to
promote
sound
financial
planning,
force,
forecast,
funding,
needs
and
identify
funding
sources
meet
the
community
and
city
council
goals
and
complete
projects
in
a
timely
and
systematic
manner.
So
by
having
the
first
five-year
cip
last
year,
it
starts
us,
organizing
ourselves
and
being
able
to
move
forward
right,
we're
still
in
the
process.
J
So
the
cip
book
itself,
I'm
hoping
that
the
council
got
to
click
the
link
go
in
there.
Look
at
the
five-year
cip
explore
it,
it
is
sort
of
it
could
be
overwhelming
if
you
will
there's
lots
of
parts
to
it.
But
for
us
it's
a
very
good
tool.
It's
actually
the
most
important
tool.
We
have
to
look
at
each
project.
So
when
one
of
my
project
managers
is
approached
about
a
project,
I
have
them
go
and
fill
out.
This
particular
form
it
sort
of
informs
us
what
what
the
project
is
it.
J
Actually,
it
tells
us
the
description
of
the
project,
the
justification
conformance
to
the
city
council,
priorities
conformance
to
the
city
general
plan.
Rcip
also
is
going
to
the
planning
commission
for
a
finding
of
conformance.
So
we
will
be
not
only
going
to
the
measure
j
commission
with
measure
j
funding,
but
we
also
will
submit
a
copy
of
the
five
year,
cip
to
the
planning
commission.
J
So
this
particular
sheet
itself
gives
us
a
cost
breakdown.
It
provides
project
funding
by
the
fun
the
fiscal
year
and
we
even
get
into
the
granular
tells
us
what
project
account
to
bill
to
and
where
the
money
is
coming
back,
if
we're
actually
getting
reimbursed
from
caltrans.
So
that
sheet
is
very
important
to
us
and
I
think
it's
the
most
important
sheet
of
the
actual
five-year
cip
booklet
itself.
H
H
J
H
J
H
L
J
So
the
timing
of
that
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
get
to
that
conversation.
I
think
we're
going
to
get
into
it
later
on.
Okay,
but
I
don't
know
if
the
city
manager
or
the
fire
department
chief
has
a
plan,
one
of
the
one
of
the
requests
that
he
made
so
another
thing
with
that
sheet,
I
was
talking
about
earlier.
We
actually
send
it
to
departments
and
they
fill
it
out
and
they
tell
us
what
they
need
and
they
they
essentially
look
for
where
we
would
get
the
funding
for
it.
J
D
Yeah,
so
this
bite
at
the
apple
so
to
speak,
has
been
to
create
a
five-year
plan
and
a
rolling
five-year
plan,
and
so
it
does
identify
the
fire
station
of
the
the
greatest
need
and
some
other
assets
there,
but
isn't
really
complete
planning
for
things
like
fire
stations
or
or
or
or
other
facilities.
We
might
find
those
in
other
master
plans
right,
like
a
parks,
master
plan
or
or
a
fire
department.
D
So
I
don't
know
I
I
have
spoken
with
the
chief
about
the
need
to
address
more
than
just
one
station
both
because
we
have
opportunities
to
improve
response
times
by
strategically
locating
those
stations
in
a
better
way,
but
also
some
of
them
are
somewhat
obsolete,
based
on
size
and
amenities
and
aren't
up
to
current
standards.
So
I
don't
know
exactly
how
those
are
planned.
I
think,
if
we
talk
to
him,
he'd
say
we
will
take
those
as
soon
as
we
can
get
them.
D
But
given
the
five-year
planning
horizon
we
have
now,
we
have
as
many
projects
really
as
we
can
handle,
and-
and
so
I
think,
if
there's
any
reason
why
we
haven't
really
planned
the
others.
It's
simply
because,
right
now
we
have
our
hands
full
with
what
we
have,
including
the
the
fire
station,
that's
the
highest
priority.
B
Thank
you
question
about
all
of
these
projects.
Do
we
have
timelines
for
when
these
will
be
complete?
How
many
are
to
be
done
this
year
next
year?
I'm
just
I'm
curious
when
we'll
be
able
to
add
new
projects
to
our
list.
I
I
agree
with
you
that
we
need
to
complete
what
we
have,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
that
timeline.
J
So
that
is
a
very
difficult
question
to
answer.
Each
project
is
unique.
I
know
in
in
other
instances
you
we've
asked.
We've
discussed
this
this
particular
issue
about
how
do
you
actually
plan
for
a
project?
Typically,
we
used
to
know
how
long
a
project
would
take
and
we
would
plan
for
it.
But
when
you're
working
on
digester
systems,
bridges,
air
conditioning
systems,
storm
drain
lines,
each
one
of
those
projects
is
unique
and
has
its
unique
timeline
and
to
be
able
to
to
comfortably
tell
you
today.
J
I
know
when
all
these
projects
going
to
be
done,
so
you
can
add
more.
It
is
very
difficult
to
do
that.
That's
why
a
five-year
rolling
cip
is
my
best
estimate.
If
you
look
at
our
sheets,
our
cip
sheets,
I
plan
for
one
two,
three
or
four
years.
If
in
some
projects,
I
think
I'm
gonna
be
in
construction
in
year
four,
but
I
don't
know
if
I'm
actually
gonna
be
in
construction
or
if
I'm
going
to
be
in
the
middle
of
construction
or
completed
the
next
year.
B
B
I
just
I
understand
that
we're
a
bit
in
a
bind
with
how
many
projects
we
have,
but
I
also
know
that
the
community
is
interested
in
a
whole
host
of
things
that
are
not
on
this
list,
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
kind
of
figure
out
how
we
we
balance
that
and
how
we
make
sure
that
we're
we're
letting
people
know
hey.
We
hear
you
we're
here:
here's
how
we're
going
to
prioritize
this,
as
as
as
we're
able.
D
So
I
have
a
couple
thoughts.
First
is
you're
right.
This
has
been
a
long
time
in
the
making
right.
We've
we've
heard
in
the
community
that
we've
talked
about
a
library,
for
instance,
for
a
long
long
time,
and
part
of
the
reason
that
it
hasn't
come
to
fruition
is
because
we've
sort
of
been
in
this
pattern
of
you
know,
maybe
thinking
we
can
do
more
than
we
really
can
over
a
given
period
of
time,
so
we've
added
some
really
smart
language
to
the
cip.
D
D
We
start
to
identify
the
other
projects
based
on
those
kinds
of
criteria
which
ones
do
we
think
are
the
most
important
or
the
least,
which
ones
are
fully
discretionary,
both
in
terms
of
the
revenue
sources
and
the
timing,
so
that
we
can
identify
sort
of
like
we
did
with
the
general
fund.
We
had
a
base
budget
and
then
a
handful
of
decision
packages
with
our
available
money
or
supplemental
budget
requests.
The
capital
version
of
that
would
be
here's
everything,
that's
defined
and
kind
of
locked
in
and
here's
the
space
we
have
to
add
new
things.
D
We
are
not
saying
that
we
can't
have
any
conversation
about
new
projects.
In
fact,
I
think
one
of
the
questions
we
have
is
among
some
of
our
projects
that
are
scheduled
in
out
years.
Should
we
accelerate
some
before
others
right,
and
that
could
even
mean
starting
the
early
planning
or
design
on
something
like
a
library
next
year?
So
so
we
do
have
room
for
that
conversation.
D
We
will
get
better
and
better
through
identifying
these
kinds
of
qualities
of
projects
and
getting
better
at
projecting
time,
at
least
to
the
extent
we
can,
as
joelle
said,
if
caltrans
shows
up
one
day
which
they
did
some
time
a
while
ago
and
said
by
the
way.
If
you
engage
in
a
certain
kind
of
program,
or
maybe
you
fund
the
bridge
and
we
pay
you
back,
we
might
be
able
to
do
it
sooner
rather
than
later.
Those
things
sometimes
just
fall
out
of
the
sky.
We
have
no
idea
and
then
we
have
to
decide.
B
I'm
sending
them
emails
all
the
time
so
in
in
okay.
Sorry,
I
got
off
track.
This
is
this
is
helpful
and
I
I
think
that
if
you
know
we've
talked
about
this
before
being
able
to
just
continue
to
update
the
public
on
what
the
projects
are
and
and
where
they're
kind
of
falling
in
the
the
line
of
of
priorities-
and
you
know
what
I
really
lost
my
train
of
thought-
I
had
to
take
a
dig
at
caltrans
in
it.
A
Justin,
I
think
one
of
the
frustrations
that
we
have
on
council
is
needing
a
better
sense
of
what
projects
are
are
where,
in
terms
of
their
progress
towards
completion
and
what
kinds
of
target
dates
exist
for
each
one
of
the
projects,
so
that,
when
we're
receiving
questions,
we've
got
a
reference
that
we
can
go
to.
That
would
give
us
a
better
sense
of
where
we're
at
with
with
a
project.
D
Yeah,
I
couldn't
agree
more
and
we've
talked
a
lot
as
a
team
about
how
to
do
that,
and
also
how
to
better
understand
what
we
think
the
ideal
capacity
and
pace
is
for
for
the
team.
Again.
Sometimes
when
issues
happen
like
bad
contractors,
you
just
can't.
You
can't
predict
right.
What
you
can
do
is
predict
that
over
64
projects,
totaling
333
million
dollars-
something
somewhere
is
not
going
to
go
exactly
right.
D
So
for
planning
on
this
to
be
an
exactly
fine-tuned
oiled
machine,
that's
not
going
to
happen,
which
tells
me
we
need
to
kind
of
scale.
Back
and
again,
the
pattern
has
been
a
long
time,
frankly,
of
really
kind
of
loading
up
projects,
but
not
always
understanding
how
long
execution
takes
even
some
of
the
fun
ones
that
were
conceived
recently.
The
downtown
park,
I
believe,
had
a
date
of
15
next
to
it,
so
it
became
a
project
six
years
before
it
was
done.
D
Those
cycles
could
be
shorter
and
faster
for
sure,
but
only
if
we
are
either
doing
fewer
projects
simultaneously
or
we
significantly
ramp
up
our
capacity.
So
some
of
the
solution
is
to
get
out
of
that
cycle.
Of
loading
up
too
much
so
that
we
can
say
great,
we've
got
you
know,
30
projects
rather
than
60
and
and
the
time
frames
are
more
reliable
because
we've
really
assessed
our
our
capacity
and
scaled
to.
J
J
Is
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
and
we're
going
to
get
better
at
being
able
to
tell
the
public
what
is
going
on
where
it's
going
on
and
and
when
we
anticipate
it
to
be
done,
and
then,
hopefully,
to
that
we
can
add,
you
know
the
project
is
going
longer
and
and
kind
of
get
more
information
out
to
the
public
on
each
one
of
our
projects.
But
it's
we
also
typically
are
on
the
bigger
projects
we
have
signs.
B
D
So
two
positions
come
to
mind.
One
would
be
a
project
manager.
That
could
be
an
engineer.
It
could
be
just
somebody
with
background
and
project
management,
and
then
we've
also
recommended
some
administrative
support
that
would
be
kind
of
split
between
building
and
engineering.
So
that's
initially,
we
we
can
grow
faster
in
some
areas
than
others.
You
know
sometimes
I
feel
like
I'm
the
bearer
of
bad
news
and
I
sound
like
a
the
slow
turning
wheels
of
government
and
I
get
that.
D
But
it's
worth
noting,
that
what
we're
endeavoring
to
do
going
into
next
year,
with
the
kind
of
economic
recovery
we've
had,
is
probably
make
one
of
the
most
substantial
investments,
if
not
the
most
substantial,
in
growing
the
team
that
we've
ever
made
historically.
So
this
really
is
rapid
progress,
but
it's
rapid
progress
spread
very
thin
because
we're
trying
to
do
it
in
sustainability,
in
housing
and
homelessness
in
police
and
fire
and
maintenance
and
fleet
you
know,
and
and
literally
across
the
board.
D
D
H
You
know,
I'm
not
sure
this
is
the
right
opportunity
to
ask
this.
So
if
it's
not
I'll,
you
can
just
tell
me
to
defer
it.
I
think
that
I
saw
I
I
just
want
to
kind
of
two
things:
the
relocation
of
fire
station,
one
just
kind
of
is
it
funded?
Where
are
we
at
with
it?
Is
it
in
planning?
Is
it
you
know?
It's
obviously
not
construction
is
question.
One
and
two
I
think
I
saw
in
there
14
million
dollars.
H
J
D
And
to
be
clear,
I
believe
both
are
included
in
the
five-year
cip
conceptually
in
terms
of
when
we
would
invest
funds
and
and
then
spend
them
so
generally
that
pattern
for
major
projects
is
save
money
for
a
year
or
two
then
start
design,
then
in
construction,
maybe
the
fourth
year
and
your
funding
throughout.
So
both
of
those
are
contemplated
right.
D
A
J
J
I
I
don't
really
recall
what
the
time
was
for
construction
trying
right
now
think
I
know
I
saw
the
specifications
we
gave
them
the
amount
of
working
days,
but
I
see
so
many
of
those.
I
can't
recall
this
one.
In
particular
I
can.
I
can
send
you
an
email
to
tell
you
exact
details,
but
we
will
be
bringing
that
project
to
council
for
award
and
then
I
can
answer
a
lot
of
those
questions
for
you
very
good.
Thank
you.
J
D
As
we
get
into
that,
I
just
want
to
point
out
for
people
who
are
interested.
The
the
capital
improvements
plan
itself
is
a
pretty
behemoth
document,
but
in
particular
toward
toward
the
end
or
after
the
the
first
number
of
summary
pages.
There
are
pages
dedicated
to
individual
projects
so,
for
instance,
the
whole
thing's
127
pages
on
page
29,
there's
a
page
for
the
library
and
what
you'll
see
there
is,
you
know,
total
cost,
what's
estimated
for
construction,
administration,
design,
etc,
and
in
what
years?
D
Based
on
this
draft,
we
contemplated
starting
to
save
money
and
spend
money
for
a
project
like
that.
So
that's
a
really
good
place
if
you're
just
interested
in
something
very
specific
to
to
look
throughout
there's
a
lot
of
them
to
identify
and
wade
through.
But
when
you
find
the
one
you're
looking
for
you'll
get
some
information
and
again
those
are
the
questions.
D
J
How
much
money
do
we
give
you
to
accelerate,
paving
and
just
with
our
payment
management
plan
that
we
did
in
2018-19
the
right
number
and
is
what
we've
been
requesting,
and
what
we
did
last
year
is
six
about
six
million
dollars
worth
of.
Paving
is
what
our
our
program
tells
us
would
keep
our
payment
condition
index
at
or
around
a
74
which
is
satisfactory,
but
it
you
know
slowly
once
we
get
to
satisfactory
and
we
keep
on
investing
the
six
million
dollars.
We
start
moving
our
pci
up
this
summer
as
part
of
this
budget.
J
We're
going
to
start
the
next
pavement
management
plan,
review,
we're
going
to
survey
our
streets,
we're
completely
different
than
we
were
in
2014
2018,
so
2022-23
we'll
have
another
payment
index,
and
if
I
can,
I'm
only
I'm
going
to
keep
it
to
two
digits
after
the
decimal
point.
So
we
don't
go
to
the
arguments
of
why
my
.004
is
better
than
my
.005
name,
neighbors
pci.
So
we
are
keeping
all
those
things
in
mind
and
we
we
deal
with
these
projects
so
frequently
that
we're
getting
better
and
better
at
them.
J
So
what
would
prevent
me
from
paving
all
our
streets
using
six
million
and
going
from
worst
to
best
as
we've
been
doing?
Well,
there
is
a
challenge
on
on
the
left
side
of
your
screen
there.
You
can
see
what
would
be
next
year's
paving
project.
You
can't
read
it,
but
it's
really
not
meant
for
you
to
read.
It's
meant
to
show
you
the
highlighted
the
highlighted
streets,
those
highlighted
streets
in
our
coordination
with
desert
water
agency.
J
We
send
our
list
to
them
and
then
they
look
at
it
to
see
if
there's
any
conflicting
projects.
So
you
can
see
all
the
highlighted
streets.
There
are
actually
streets
that
desert
water
agency
wants
to
replace
their
unlined
steel,
water
mains,
so
it
sort
of
makes
sense.
Our
worst
streets
also
have
the
worst
infrastructure
they
were
sort
of
constructed.
At
the
same
time,
these
streets
have
unlined
water
mains
that
are
failing
and
desert.
J
Water
agency
has
a
program
now
to
start
investing
more
and
more
monies
when
we
had
a
meeting
with
them
not
too
long
ago.
I
requested
that
see
if
they
could
come
to
the
city
council
to
present
their
10-year
plan
and
what
you
see
on
the
on
the
right.
You
see
in
red
all
the
streets
throughout
the
city
that
have
those
unlined
steel,
water
mains.
J
A
Joe,
I
think
jump
in
devil's,
always
in
the
details,
but
right
along
with
white
house
and
my
street
been
paved.
I
think
the
second
most
number
of
complaints
we
get
is.
Why
did
they
dig
up
my
street
right
after
it
got
paved?
So
I'm
glad
that
you're
you're
addressing
that
issue?
It's
been
one,
that's
been
out
there
and
having
a
10-year
plan
from
dwa
in
terms
of
what
they're
proposing
to
do.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
we
can
easily
explain
to
the
public
when
it
comes
up.
A
A
J
I
just
think
there's
lots
of
streets
well,
the
system
is
computer-based
right,
so
there
is
a
human,
does,
go
and
and
reviews
the
streets
and
gives
an
estimated
score,
but
there's
other
factors
that
go
into
the
pavement
program
when
it
was
last
service
what
kind
of
treatment
it
had
some
pavement,
so
it
it
generally.
The
number
is
computer
generated
and
it
picks
the
score
and
it
goes
to,
unfortunately,
lots
of
decimal
places.
So
that's
that's
my
explanation.
A
J
I
will
have
a
hard
time
doing
that,
but
I
will
say
that,
because
our
infrastructure
is
so
degraded
or
was
so,
it
had
been
not
maintained
for
a
very
long
time.
The
only
real
way
to
separate
streets
is
through
a
process
of
this
pci
score.
If
they
were
all
round
numbers,
we
would
have
probably
200
with
the
same
round
number.
And
how
do
you
then
divvy?
Those
up
the
pci
score,
has
allowed
us
to
be
have
no
input
from
anyone.
It's
these
are
the
necks
in
line,
and
then
we
move
forward
from
there.
D
Yeah,
I
would
just
offer,
as
long
as
we
have
an
ability
to
objectively
prioritize
and
that's
based
some
on
grade.
It's
based
some
on
what
streets
are
in
proximity
to
others,
so
we
can
deploy
work
efficiently.
It's
about
where
we
anticipate
other
work
like
water
lines
to
be
done
in
the
next
few
years.
Hopefully
we
can
predict
more
of
that
than
than
not,
but
sometimes
you
just
miss
things
and
water
line
breaks
or
whatever.
H
Thank
you
for
your
attention.
Obviously,
street
paving
is
a
big
issue
with
residents
for
for
whatever
reason
and
rightfully
so,
but
I
just
want
to
be
clear
on
something.
Your
slide
showed
that
there
is
a
request
of
six
million
dollars
from
measure
j
for
street.
Paving
is,
is
that
the
full
budget,
or
is
that
just
the
amount
that
you're
requesting
from
measure
j.
H
Budget
that
we're
using
six
million
dollars
okay
and
does
that
include
the
slurry
seal
program
as
well?
No,
okay,
that's
a
separate
budget!
Correct
okay,
which
is
preventative
maintenance,
correct
to
the
roadway
okay,
and
does
that
slurry
seal
process
follow
the
same
pci
that
the
roadway
paving
does
it
does.
J
J
We
want
to
go
there
before
we
go
to
other
streets,
so
generally
you're
trying
to
keep
your
best
pavement
in
working
condition
for
a
longer
period,
so
we're
going
to
start
fluctuating
a
little
bit
from
what
we
were
doing
in
the
past,
adding
more
of
the
newer
streets
to
to
that,
because
what
you
get
from
from
a
layman's
point
of
view.
They
see
that
we're
working
on
a
street
that
we
just
touched
not
too
long
ago.
H
J
I
think
it
is
yes,
I
think
one
million
dollars
is
what
we've
been
budgeting
and
I
think
we
can,
you
know,
bring
it
up
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
we're
covering
enough
ground
when
we're
doing
the
million
dollars
that
we're
going
to
catch
up
to
our
good
streets
fairly
soon.
Okay,
yes,
and
we're
going
to
once
we
catch
up
we're
going
to
be
right
behind.
So
we're
going
to
do
our
paving
pavement
management
and
then
five
six
years
later,
we'll
be
doing
our
slurry.
H
D
So
I'd
be
happy
to
take
a
stab
at
it.
A
couple
things
to
consider:
there's
been
a
lot
of
science
developed
over
the
last
number
of
years
on
how
to
maximize
your
investment
and
get
the
greatest
return
out
of
your
your
road
system.
That's
when
state
dots
and
other
departments
started
saying
you
know
we're
better
off
to
preserve
pavement
earlier
and
sometimes
if
your
road
is
already
past,
the
point
of
being
preserved.
D
There's
a
window
of
time
where
you
know
it's
going
to
degrade
to
need
some
sort
of
mill
and
overlay
or
something
like
that,
but
not
so
much
that
the
street
has
to
be
completely
rebuilt
and
it
almost
doesn't
matter
when
you
do
it
in
that
window.
It's
going
to
cost
the
same,
but
if
you
start
to
invest
earlier
in
preservation,
you're
going
to
extend
the
life
think
of
it
as
owning
a
car
and
neglecting
to
change
the
oil,
so
the
engine
kept
failing
and
you
kept
replacing
the
engine
on
a
schedule
and,
finally
figuring
out.
D
We
need
to
replace
the
oil
every
5
000
miles,
that's
efficient,
replacing
the
oil
every
thousand
miles
is
overkill
right
and
and
to
to
borrow
the
car
analogy
our
roads,
especially
once
you
resurface
them,
so
not
just
a
slurry
seal
but
something
more
significant.
You
want
that
road
to
be
old.
When
you
do
it,
you
want
to
get
all
the
life
out
of
the
road
that
you
can
otherwise
you're
spending
more
money
than
you
need
to.
So
it
would
be
like
trading
your
car
in
and
you're
ready
for
a
new
one.
D
But
what
if
you
never
got
resale
for
the
used
car
that
you
were
trading
in
you
just
had
to
get
rid
of
it?
You
probably
wouldn't
trade
it
in
every
two
or
three
years,
because
that
costs
way
too
much
you'd
want
to
get
the
life
out
of
it.
You
might
not
run
it
into
the
ground,
but
you're
not
going
to
trade
it
in
in
two
or
three
years.
Well,
we
don't
get
resale
so
to
speak
out
of
our
roads
either.
D
So
if
you
invest
in
pavement
that
can
last
30
years
and
you
replace
it
in
10,
you're
tripling
your
cost,
and
this
is
some
of
the
most
expensive
infrastructure
that
a
city
has
anywhere.
You
just
really
can't
afford
to
sink
that
much
money
into
maintaining
a
level
service,
roads,
8
million
10
million
12
million.
D
It
would
be
nice,
but
it'd
be
staggering
costs
and
it
wouldn't
be
as
cost
efficient
doing
it
exactly
the
right
way.
Changing
the
oil
on
the
schedule.
You
know
replacing
your
belts
and
things
like
that,
so
that
the
car
lasts
a
long
time,
but
eventually
replacing
the
car
that
that's
really
the
sweet
spot
same
thing
with
roads.
J
J
I
know
we've
applied
for
a
grant
and
we,
if
we
get
the
grant,
which
I
believe
this
summer,
it's
we're
going
to
do.
I
think
it's.
What
about
10
million
or
14
million
dollars
worth
we
have
to
match
half
of
it,
so
it's
seven
and
seven
so
that
project,
if
we
get
it,
is
going
to
be
highly
important
and
staff
is
going
to
have
to
jump
on
it
right
away
to
work
on
very
similar
to
the
navigation
center.
I'm
not
listing
it
here.
J
Project
we
have
several
people
here
that
are
going
to
talk
about
the
the
global
we
do
have
genie
from
the
the
library
here
don
also
our
principal
engineer
has
worked
on
it,
so
we
have
a
good
team
here
that
could
answer
your
questions.
My
my
my
job
was
to
try
to
program
it
for
two
years
and
and
when
we
can
actually
construct
it,
but
I'll
step
back.
A
I
Thank
you,
madam
mayor
council,
that
project
that
the
that's
group
of
meetings
that
we
had
was
in
august
september
october
2019
and
then
the
pandemic
hit,
and
so
that's
where
we
are,
I
I'll
be
realistic
with
you.
I
think
that
we
had
a
financial
crisis
with
the
city,
and
so
honestly
nothing
has
happened
since
then.
So
we're
ready
we're
ready
to
to
start
doing
some
things
with
the
library
and
the
and
the
sunrise
park,
and
all
of
that.
D
A
D
Yeah
just
to
quickly
say
we
we
would
probably
deal
with
the
prioritization
first
and
any
project.
That's
prioritized.
We
would
want
to
pick
up
where
we
left
off,
but
also
check
in
with
council.
Let
you
know
where
we're
at
make
sure
we're
still
headed
in
the
right
direction,
and
then
we
would
proceed
councilman
woods.
H
I
think
she
can
you
just
you
know
for
my
edification,
the
public
certification,
because
I
think
there's
an
allocation
of
14
million
dollars
in
the
budget
we've
done
planning.
I
think
a
plan
has
been
prepared.
I
don't
know
what
it's
gone
through:
different
committees
and
commissions
and
boards
or
the
council.
Where
are
we
at.
I
So
a
little
bit
of
history,
I
started
in
the
city
of
palm
springs
in
2012
and
then
in
2013
we
did
work
with
a
consultant
did
a
an
entire
program
where
consultants
came
in.
They
looked
at
what
the
library
needs
as
far
as
everything
service
shelf
space
chairs
parking
all
of
those
things,
so
they
they
developed
a
a
wonderful
program
of
what's
needed
and
what's
working
and
then
the
architects
did
a
design.
Now
again
this
is
2013.
I
So
a
lot
has
changed.
It's
almost
it's
a
decade,
so
I
think
the
plan's
not
completely
dead.
I
don't
think
it's
something
we
would
throw
a
throw
away,
but
I
think
that
it's
it's
time
to
take
a
look
at
it
again
and
see
if
that's
still
the
same
priorities
that
we
need
and
if,
if
and
just
build
on
that,
so
there
was
a
plan-
I
it
was
a
great
plan,
but
it
got
stalled
at
the
council
level
and
and
just
financially
there.
I
H
So
you
know
I
I
just
don't
want
to
make
another
plan
that
sits
on
the
shelf
or
even
update
the
plan
if
we
don't
have
a
long-term
plan
for
funding
and
actually
making
it
happen
right,
and
I
think
there
was
some
grant
money
that
was
involved
and
is
that
cont?
Do
you
know
the
timing
of
that?
How
it's
just
that
that's
a
lot
of
money
to
sit
on
the
shelf.
If
we
don't
really,
if
we
don't
have
a
plan,
we
got
to
create
a
plan
and
we
don't
have
the
grant
money.
I
I
think
I
think
we're
in
a
great
place
right
now
I
applied
for
an
infrastructure
grant
with
the
california
state
library.
It's
a
the
california.
The
state
of
california
was
issued
439
million
dollars
to
be
allocated
for
library
infrastructure
projects
in
the
state.
It
is
poverty-based
for
so
communities
with
the
highest
poverty
levels
are
going
to
get
priority,
we're
about
in
the
3
70th
percentile.
So
we're
not.
We've
got
a
pretty
good
comp
competition
level.
I
I
think
we're
gonna,
I'm
I'm
excited
I'm
optimistic
and
we
did
apply
for
7.1
million
and
we
have
to
match
that.
So
it's
about
a
14.2
million
project.
It
can
only
be
used
on
infrastructure.
The
timeline
on
that
is
that
they
are
going
to
make
the
announcement
sometime
in
spring
or
summer
of
this
year,
so
we
should
know
pretty
soon,
and
I
think
that
there
was
a.
I
think
the
total
number
of
requests
that
came
in
were
about
500
million.
I
H
H
I
H
H
So
if
we're
trying
to
prioritize
these
projects
that
was
put
up
on
the
slide
right
at
this
point,
it
seems
like
that
priority
is
based
very
much
on
trying
to
get
some
grant
infrastructure
money
and
then,
if
that
comes
through,
then
we
can
do
it
and
if
it
doesn't
come
through,
we
can
look
at
it
again
if
we've
got
it
budgeted
as
far
as
what's
first
to
do
or
second,
I
think
that's
what
you're
trying
to
extract
from
us.
That's.
D
Exactly
the
kind
of
input
we're
looking
for,
so
it's
arranged
at
the
top
of
the
page.
That's
not
to
presuppose
that
it
would
be
first.
But
when
you
look
at
the
other
projects,
it
is
the
oldest
and
as
we
heard
it
was
identified
formally
by
engineering
in
16,
but
genie
was
doing
planning
in
12
and
13..
So
if
council
were
to
say
this
is
our
highest
priority.
D
One
of
the
first
things,
we'd,
probably
ask,
is
what,
if
we
don't
get
funding,
if
we
get
funding
that
almost
forces
the
hand
right,
because
you
want
to
take
advantage
of
that
funding,
but
council
could
say
we
want
to
fund
it
one
way
or
the
other
as
quickly
as
we
can,
and
that
will
have
one
impact
on.
You
know
the
other
projects
and
how
we
approach
the
cip-
or
you
might
say
it's
important,
but
but
we
want
to
be
able
to
successfully
leverage
grant
funds.
D
J
Just
moving
on
in
the
list,
the
next
project
there
is
the
the
roundabout
at
indian
canyon,
south
palm
canyon
and
pericella
that
one
I
brought
to
council
a
while
ago.
I
got
approved
to
go
to
design
in
the
context
of
everything
I
presented
today
and
the
priorities
you
know.
Where
was
that
project?
Where
does
that
sit?
Do
we
finish
design,
which
would
probably
we
have
the
funding
for
it
and
we
shelve
it
until
we
get
through
a
lot
of
the
the
backlog?
Or
what
do
we
do?
So?
J
That's
that's
why
that
project
is
there,
so
I'm
going
to
go
down
to
the
next
program
there.
It's
the
local
road
safety
plan
that
we
just
recently
completed
and
we
will
be
bringing
to
council.
I
think
it's,
the
next
council
meeting
or
two
council
meetings
from
now
the
the
local
world
safety
plan
and
the
pedestrian
safe
routes
to
school
master
plan
to
present
to
council.
J
So,
as
part
of
that
plan,
we
received
a
grant
from
caltrans
to
prepare
the
plan
and
that
plan
is
now
complete
and
it
identifies
32
intersections
that
need
work,
and
without
that
plan
we
can't
apply
for
a
grant.
So
we
have
the
first
piece,
which
is
the
plan
itself,
we'll
bring
it
to
council
to
receive
and
file
and
then,
after
that,
it
could
potentially
lead
to
32
intersections
that
get
some
sort
of
feature.
It's
it's
it's
to
improve
the
pedestrian
experience
to
improve
technology,
so
there's
multiple
projects
within
each
one
of
those
intersections.
A
J
A
J
A
A
J
Come
out
for
these
particular
projects,
they're
cycle
projects,
they
want
you
to
be
spending
the
money,
so
we
have
cycle
seven
and
then
we're
working
on
cycle
eight
and
then
cycle
nine.
So
they
do
want
you
to
get.
I
think,
there's
a
certain
point
where
they
will
stop
giving
you
funds.
If
you
haven't
completed
your
projects,
I
don't
know
the
exact
timeline.
But
yes,
if
there
is
some
sort
of
time
frame
where
you
do
have
to
expend
dollars,
but
we've
already
been
awarded.
J
J
So
the
next
one
down
is
relocate
relocation
of
fire
station
number,
one
that
one
was
presented
by
by
the
chief.
He
filled
out
the
the
project
sheet.
He
he
estimates
the
cost
to
be
around
16
million
and
I
think
it's
a
high
priority
for
for
the
the
chief
and
and
I
think
for
for
the
city
to
to
build
the
fire
station
or
to
relocate
it.
But
it's
noted
here
so
that
you
know
council
can
discuss
it.
J
I'm
sure
we
can
explore
them
off
the
top
of
my
head,
I'm
not
certain
what
grants
there
would
be,
but
for
this
particular
project,
what
I
envision
is
setting
aside
the
first
year,
which
would
be
this
fiscal
year,
1.6
million,
which
would
start
the
process
and
then
next
year
we
would
look
at
maybe
3.6
million
and
then
in
the
next
two
years,
maybe
nine
million
dollars
each
until
we
have
the
full
16
million
dollars
to
build
it.
So,
in
my
mind,
that's
how
I
envisioned
it,
but
it
would
depend
on
council
priorities.
J
We
can
move
it
sooner
and
also
on
staffing
levels
and
the
end
of
this
discussion.
I
guess
so
next
on
the
the
list
is
the
the
measure
j
community
initiated
projects?
That's
a
the
one
million
dollars
that
measure
j
gets
every
year
they
reached
out
to
to
the
community
and
and
did
a
whole
program
and
from
that
it
generated
14,
distinct
projects.
J
D
J
You
so
the
next
on
the
list
is
the
pedestrian
safe
routes
to
school
master
plan.
So
that
plan
was
another
grant
that
we
received.
We
completed
it
and
that
generated
37
different
projects
and
that
particular
plan,
I'm
just
I'm,
funding,
are
trying
to
fund
over
five
years
to
be
able
to
complete
all
those
37
projects.
J
The
next
one
is
a.
I
think
it's
just
a
something
that
hasn't
been
done
in
the
city,
and
I
want
to
start
is
an
annual
sign
and
striping
replacement.
Some
of
our
our
lane
lines
fade
and
what
we've
been
doing
historically
is
we
do
a
slurry
or
a
street
paving
and
we
come
behind
and
replace
the
the
new
stripes,
but
I
want
to
be
more
proactive,
so
that's
just
a
project
that
I
want
to
start
and
the
last
one
on
the
list
is
pickleball
courts.
J
A
J
There
has
been
a
suggestion
from
the
community
of
how
many
course
they
would
want
to
be.
Actually
it
was
one
of
the
submittals
for
the
the
community
initiative
project,
so
we
have
some
of
that
information
from
the
community.
I
think
it
does
require
more
exploring,
probably
even
with
the
parks
master
plan,
but
that's
where
we're
at
right
now.
A
Excuse
me,
I
think
we
do
need
to
step
back
and
have
a
good
conversation
with
those
who
are
playing
pickleball.
What
we
have
seen
over
the
last
many
years
is
this
is
a
recreation
activity.
That's
growing
tremendously,
most
particularly
growing
tremendously
with
know
a
demographic
of
older
individuals
that
fits
into
an
awful
lot
of
the
palm
springs
community,
and
I
don't
wanna
sacrifice
any
other
recreation
activities,
but
it's
one
of
one
of
the
ones
that
that
we
do
need.
A
A
One
of
the
fundamental
questions,
though
that
comes
to
me,
is:
do
we
need
to
be
a
best
service
to
those
who
want
to
play
pickleball
a
court
here
in
this
park,
a
court
here
in
this
park
court
somewhere
else
or
do
what
I
understand
a
few
leading
communities
have
done,
make
a
decision
that
this
particular
recreation
activity
is
going
to
be
concentrated
at
a
center
where
everybody
can
come
to
play
and
take
advantage
of
that.
So
I
think
I
think
we
should
engage
with
the
community
and
get
a
good
sense
of
what's
needed.
D
B
Thank
you,
mayor,
yeah,
that's
actually
what
I
was
going
to
bring
up.
I
know
that
pickleball
is
popular
and
because
it
is
popular
among
our
retirees,
we
tend
to
hear
from
pickleball
players
more,
but
one
thing
that
we
still
haven't
done
in
so
long
ever
actually
is
put
up
a
soccer
field
or
two
and
every
single
weekend.
B
There
are
people
who
make
the
soccer
fields
themselves
and
they've
done
it
all
of
my
36
years,
and
I'm
sure
before
that.
So
I
think
a
soccer
field
is
probably
a
lot
easier
than
a
larger
pickleball
facility,
but
those
are
some
of
the
kinds
of
things
that
I
think
our
parks
could
really
use
and
because
we
already
know
where
they're
putting
the
soccer
fields
every
saturday
and
sunday
it
wouldn't,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
as
difficult
right.
We
don't
have
to
map
out
where
they
would
go.
B
We
would
just
put
them
where
they
are
currently
playing.
So
I'd
like
to
to
see
that,
in
terms
of
the
list
of
the
priorities,
can
we
put
the
list
back
up
on
the
screen?
I
don't
have.
The
library,
I
think
is,
is
the
top
of
my
list.
It's
been
something
we've
been
talking
about
for
a
long
time
and
and
really
need
to
move
forward
on
it.
B
B
Those
are
things
that
we've
already
been
starting
the
process
of.
So
it
would
be
nice
to
be
able
to
to
do
that.
Some
of
the
things
that
are
on
the
measure
j
list,
though
I
I
don't,
I
would
need
a
little
bit
more
information
on
and
hopefully
measure
j
could
provide
that
to
us,
for
instance,
the
gardens
at
local
schools.
B
I,
of
course
I
want
to
support
our
local
schools,
but
what
is
palm
springs
unified's
responsibility
there
and
how
would
we
be
collaborating
with
them
et
cetera?
So
there's
a
lot
of
questions
in
terms
of
measure
j,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we're
we're
spending
some
time
to
implement
some
of
the
things
that
the
community
is
is
specifically
asking
for
as
well.
H
E
H
Very
specific
sorry
mayor,
I
know
you've
asked
a
very
specific
question
of
us
and
I
have
a
lot
of
other
questions
or
concerns
or
whatever
before
I
get
there,
and
I
don't
know
the
appropriate
time.
You
know
there's
certain
things
that
aren't
in
here
and
you
know
I'd
like
to
see
in
there
so
and
I'll
give
you
an
example.
One
that
you
have
in
there
is
traffic
coming
500
000
is
not
enough.
We
know
that
you
know.
I
know.
H
So
I
need
staff
to
rethink
that
a
little
bit
and
look
at
those
documents
and
look
at
the
cumulative
amount
of
money,
because
it's
way
short-
and
I
think
that
is
a
pressing
need,
as
we
just
said-
a
huge
press
release
that
one
of
the
major
concerns
for
people
with
speed
on
our
streets
and
one
of
the
best
ways
we're
going
to
do.
It
is
not
through
enforcement
but
through
geometric
design
changes
to
those
streets.
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
that
is
one
issue
that
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
with.
H
There
is
a
lot
of
money
for
pickleball
courts
in
this
this
proposed
budget.
I
don't
know
how
we
came
up
with
that
amount
of
money
for
it,
but
I've
got
two
line
items
for
725
000,
which
is
quite
a
bit
of
money,
and
I
don't
know
how
much
a
pickleball
court
cost,
but
I
assume
we're
not
acquiring
land
or
anything.
H
So
I
again,
I
just
curious
where
that
number
comes
from
and
that
it's
that
it's
true
the
measure
a
in
in
the
the
documents
that
you
sent
is
very
confusing
because
the
the
page
you
just
had
us
pull
up
to
is
like
a
million
six
right.
But
yet,
when
you
look
at
the
actual
document,
I
think
it's
for
measure,
that's
for
the
community
projects
right,
and
I
thought
they
were
supposed
to
give
us
a
million
dollars,
we're
already
half
over
that
measure.
J.
H
I'm
sure
what
did
I
say,
I'm
measuring
measure
j,
so
I'm
concerned
about
measure.
You
know
those
numbers
aren't
lining
up
for
me
and
there's
also
when
you
look
at
the
overall
list
that
you
gave
gave
us,
the
amount
of
expenditure
seems
to
be
under
what
the
amount
is
for
the
that
we
actually
have
to
spend.
So
there's
a
there's,
several
different
numbers
that
are
very
confusing
to
me.
I'd
like
at
least
the
next
meeting
to
to
have
out.
I
agree
with
mayor
pro
tem.
H
We
need
to
look
at
some
some
of
those
recommendations
for
community
projects,
because
a
lot
were
not
approved
as
an
example.
I
think
she
just
gave
you
know:
the
school
district
has
its
own
responsibilities
as
to
some
other
facilities
and
they're,
not
necessarily
a
city
responsibility,
but
yet
we
have
city
needs
that
are
getting
ignored
in
that
that
recommendation.
So
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
that
that
we
need
to
look
at
that.
H
The
other
thing
that
we've
talked
about
you
have
the
amika
track
in
there
and
over
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
two
and
a
half
years
ago,
when
we
first
did
this
budget,
I
said
there
are
other
places
without
sewer
that
are
in
the
same
economic
position
and
that
has
never
been
put
in
the
budget.
I
think
that
is
a
mistake.
H
If
we're
going
to
do
the
amika
track,
which
I'm
totally
in
support
of,
we
got
to
look
at
the
whole
thing
holistically
with
our
sewer
system
in
the
city,
and
I
think
that's
important
to
do
again.
I
understand
it's
phases,
but
this
is
a
five
year.
If
we
don't
have
it
in,
it
will
never
get
done
or
ever
be
looked
at.
So
I
think
that
actually
needs
to
be
looked
at.
I
was
a
little
concerned
about
the
the
jackie
lee
houston,
plaza,
there's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
upgrades,
including
a
shade
structure.
H
I
know
people
have
been
asking
for
a
shade
structure
at
victoria
park
measure
jay's
recommended
one
at
the
animal
shelter.
You
know,
I
don't
know
how
many
people
use
the
jackie
lee
houston
plaza
for
a
shade
structure,
but
they
definitely
need
it
at
victoria
park.
So
you
know
if
we
need
it
at
both
places-
great,
let's
budget
it
if
it's
only
needed
at
one
place,
let's
go
where
there's
demand
and
request
and
we've
had
these
requests
for
this
type
of
stuff.
So
I
would
ask
for
that.
I
H
J
H
We
have
a
lot
of
problems
with
that
current
media.
We
spent
a
ton
of
money
designing
that
median
stacy
has
been
working
very
hard
to
try
and
get
it
to
work.
It's
still
not
working
plants
are
missing,
lights,
aren't
working,
half
of
them
are
on
at
night,
so
I
don't
know
what
that
amount
of
money
was
for,
and
I
just
like
some
clarification
or
we
can
do
it
offline
that
that's
fine
as
well.
Just
I
try.
J
H
And
so
I
think
yeah,
you
know
I
you
know,
I
I
support
pickleball
courts,
but
I
I
have
a
little
different
opinion
that
our
facilities
should
be
spread
throughout
the
city.
So
as
an
example,
if
I
were
to
play
pickleball,
it's
a
25-minute
drive
for
me.
You
know,
that's
that's
not
real,
you
know,
and-
and
you
know,
if
I'm
pick
and
people
are
doing-
that-
that's
not
good
for
our
environment.
It's
not
good
for
vehicle
miles.
Traveled,
that's
driving
a
car.
H
So
I
really
think
when
we
do
this,
we
have
to
look
holistically
at
our
sustainability
goals
as
well.
Those
facilities
if
we
expand
them,
need
to
be
in
more
locations
closer
to
people
where
they're
at,
and
so
I
think,
that's
important
and
that's
probably
something
you
know.
Our
parks
and
recs
can
look
at
in
that
whole
thing,
but
I
think
it's
something
to
be
very
mindful
of
when
we
look
if
we're
going
to
do
an
expenditure
that
that
expenditure
follow
our
sustainability
goals
as
well.
So
thank
you
very
much.
B
J
J
B
D
Admittedly,
projects
arise
out
of
a
conversation
like
this
one,
where
we
might
not
work
really
hard
to
reconcile
the
differences
and
of
opinions
of
five
council
members
that
collectively
make
a
council
and,
and
so
sometimes,
staff
is
reading
between
the
lines
and
saying
we
think
we
heard
support
for
this.
We
think
we
heard
support
for
that.
Many
of
these
could
go
back
to
previous
council
members
that
aren't
here,
and
so
the
conversation
we're
having
is
both
about.
D
Let's
prioritize
the
things
we
think
we
know
we're
supposed
to
be
pursuing,
but
it
is
open
to
things
that
shouldn't
be
in
the
cip
any
longer
that
are
things
that
need
to
be
added
that
aren't
at
the
end
of
the
day,
the
hardest
part
is
still
going
to
be
making
this
something
realistic,
that
we
can
pursue
and
and
there's
probably
more
work
to
lean
it
up
and
narrow
focus
than
there
is
opportunity
to
add.
But
the
easy
thing
to
do
is
always
to
add,
and
that's
mostly
how
this
conversation
is
going
so
far.
B
Sure
yeah,
I
I
understand
that
I
was
just
a
little
bit
confused
because
there
was,
I
think
we
we
have
discussed
so
many
different
things
and
and
that's
part
of
the
difficulty
in
in
figuring
out
what
we
have
discussed
and
how
this
list
came
to
be.
That's
number
whole
stitch.
Do
you
want
to
add
to
that
before
I
move
on.
G
B
Too
he
looked
like
you
wanted
to
say
something
just
see
a
couple
of
things
in
that
I
didn't
see
listed
that
I
know
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
past,
and
I
just
want
to
raise
one
is
that
we
did
talk
about
shade
at
the
bus
stops
and
doing
that
and
ideally
benches
too.
Some
of
those
bus
stops
don't
have
benches
either.
B
D
Yeah,
so
what
we
looked
at
is
number
one:
they
have
a
policy
where
they
aim
for
shade
at
locations
where
they
have
10
pickups
or
greater
per
day.
That
leaves
my
recollection
about
27
that
are
under
that
threshold
across
the
entire
system
and
they're,
targeting
about
nine
that
currently
don't
have
shade,
but
meet
that
threshold.
B
A
Are
we
dealing
with
the
locations
where
there's
seven
or
eight
or
are
we
dealing
with
zero
one
and
two
and
but
where
it
is
ten
or
where
it's
less
than
ten?
Clearly
that's
going
to
not
qualify
under
their
standards.
So
if
there's
going
to
be
a
funding
decision,
that's
one
we're
going
to
need
to
make
and
we'll
probably
want
to
take
and
develop
our
own
criteria
as
to
what
would
be
the
most
appropriate
places
to
to
do
those-
and
I
think
all
of
us
would
hope
it
was
all
of
them.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
then
that's
helpful
to
know
that
there's
going
to
be
some
work
by
sunline
already
on
this,
then
just
the
other
piece
that
we
haven't
talked
about
in
a
long
time,
and
I
and
I
don't
know
if
it
should
have
gone
into
the
last
discussion
or
not,
but
that's
the
buzz
bus.
We
stopped
the
buzz
because
of
kovid
and
we
haven't
discussed
it
again.
B
We
had
what
we
had
in
the
past
discussed
expanding
the
line
so
that
it
would
go
further
and
really
connect
our
residents
and
not
just
our
our
tourists
and
then
it
seems
to
have
just
disappeared,
and
so
I'm
just
curious
what
we
can
do
about
that,
because
that
is
one
of
the
major
complaints
that
we
get
with
sunline
and
is
that
there's
not
enough
bus
routes?
There's
not
enough!
B
You
know
the
timing
of
the
bus
is
just
it's
45
minutes
generally
between
buses-
and
I
understand
sunline
has
other
measures
that
they're
using
as
well
for
why
there's
not
buses
more
often,
but
the
buzz
was
kind
of
a
way
to
help
with
with
that
here
in
palm
springs.
So
I
just
wanted
to
to
put
that
out
there,
because
it's
something
that
I
feel
like
has
been
missing
from
a
lot
of
our
our
conversations
recently.
A
One
of
the
conversations
most
recently
has
been
that
for
the
new
arena
about
those
little
buses
may
be
an
appropriate
way
to
transport
people
throughout
the
valley
to
to
the
arena.
But
I
think
that's
that's
really
just
conversation,
but
I'd
be
very
happy
to
engage
that
conversation
all
over
again,
but
the
the
the
cost
that
we
were
looking
at
per
rider
was
extraordinarily
high.
G
Okay,
all
right
figure
out
where
to
begin.
Thank
you
for
this
information.
I
think
it
was
really
helpful
and
a
really
thorough
way
to
really
look
at
what
are
all
the
existing
projects,
and
I
don't
think
that
that's
information
that
council's
been
presented
with
in
this
level
of
detail-
and
you
know
this
thorough
way.
G
So
I
really
appreciate
that
information
and
I
think
that's
sometimes
why
council
other
than
you
know
we
work
for
the
public
and
the
public
is
constantly
asking
us
for
a
library
and
pickleball
courts
and
water
parks,
and
you
know
everything
and
we
work
for
them.
But
you
know
we
don't
always
see
this
information
when
we're
bringing
on
new
things.
G
G
Then
we
would
pick
from
those
with
a
lot
of
information
about
the
projects,
so
this
seems
different
other.
You
know
in
terms
of
the
overall
projects-
and
I
think
what
mayor
pro-tem
garner
said
before-
is
that
it's
not
thorough.
It's
not
complete.
There's
a
lot
here.
That
councils
discuss
that
just
isn't
on
this
list.
There
are
other
things
staffs
recommended
in
the
past
that
we
didn't
find
in
the
last
measure
j
cycle.
There's
things
from
that
measured.
You
know
the
last
few
measure
j
cycles
that
I
don't
see
on
this.
D
Let
me
see
if
I
can
help.
First,
I'm
just
going
to
say
something
about
the
way
we
got
here.
A
lot
of
these
projects
came
by
way
of
independent
initiative.
Right
one
day
there
was
a
program
through
caltrans
to
submit
for
cycle
seven
or
cycle
eight,
and
we
did
some
of
those
decisions
were
made
in
2016
or
17
or
18..
So
it's
easy
to
lose
sight
of
those
things.
G
D
D
So
so
that's
kind
of
what
created
the
list,
the
the
cip,
is
an
attempt
to
consolidate
all
that
again,
I'm
I'm
acknowledging,
especially
since
I
wasn't
here
that
there
may
have
been
instances
where
staff
was
reading
between
the
lines
or
trying
to
pick
up
cues
from
council
big
picture.
What
we're
trying
to
do
is
reconcile
this
plan
and
make
sure
it
reflects
your
priorities
and
interests
with
a
focus
on
next
year,
because,
frankly
years,
two
through
five,
we
we
have-
you
know
lots
of
opportunities
to
get
that
right.
D
We
do
at
some
point
want
a
five-year
cip,
where
every
year
there
are
projects
that
are
important
and
that
there
are
no
projects
that
are
forgotten,
but
for
now
we
at
least
want
to
prioritize
next
year.
So
if
there
are
projects
that
we're
pursuing
even
the
64
that
we've
started,
if
we
shouldn't
be
pursuing
them,
we
should
have
that
conversation.
D
D
So
at
some
point
we
still
do
have
to
do
the
hard
job
of
what
is
most
important
and
what
is
least
but
but
that's
the
policy
direction.
We're
looking
for
is.
Does
this
plan
reflect
your
priorities?
I
don't
think
staff
made
almost
any
of
this
up
this.
This
came
from
at
least
bits
and
pieces
of
conversation
with
council
over
the
years,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we've
gotten
exactly
right
in
terms
of
being
reflective
of
your
most
important
needs
and
priorities.
J
I
think
justin,
if
you
could
maybe
clarify
the
measure
j
portion
as
well,
because
I
know
she
was
council.
Member
holsters
was
focusing
on
or
asking
about
measure
j
and
what
that
process
was,
and
why
is
it
a
little
bit
different
and
what
happened
during
the
pandemic
and
if
you
could
kind
of
sort
that
out,
maybe
it
brings
it
a
little
bit
closer
to
to
understand.
D
Sure
so
so
obviously
measure
j,
like
a
lot
of
things,
was
paused
during
the
pandemic
during
that
pause,
the
city
also
conceived
of
or
or
planned
to
do
this
five-year
cip.
So
what
happened
at
least
in
this
last
cycle-
and
I
understand
before
the
pandemic-
there
was
a
joint
meeting
where
measure
j
would
say.
This
is
what
we
think
we
ought
to
do.
Council
would
weigh
in
on
that
and
we'd
come
up
with
a
list,
but
those
are
just
projects
where
measure
j
contributes
funding.
D
What
you
see
here
is
a
lot
of
projects
that
receive
no
measure
j
funding
at
all.
So
again,
part
of
what
makes
this
overwhelming
is
we've
consolidated
in
one
place.
The
projects
that
measure
j
contributes
to
with
all
of
the
other
projects
that
are
still
capital,
but
where
measure
j
doesn't
so
what
staff
did
last
may
is
presented
measure
j
with
a
list
of
projects
saying
in
light
of
the
cip,
we
think
these
are
projects
where
measure
j
funding
would
be
appropriate.
They
were
discussed.
D
I
think
because
staff
was
proposing
something
new
with
the
cip
that
staff
felt
like
we
got
the
input
we
needed
for
measure
j,
and
then
we
learned
that
measure
j
didn't
feel
the
same
way.
So
that
all
still
begs
the
question:
how
we
kind
of
reconcile
that
moving
forward.
We
are
going
to
get
measure,
j's
recommendations
and
bring
those
to
you.
D
So
we'll
have
that
part.
If
you
would
like
to
have
the
joint
meeting
as
a
way
of
comparing
notes,
we
can
do
that
as
well.
Just
recognizing
we
have
pretty
and
we
have
competing
demands
for
council
time.
We've
added
study
sessions
and
done
other
things,
but
we
still
have
lots
of
work
that
we're
not
getting
to.
G
Thank
you.
That's
helpful.
So,
okay,
I'm
looking
here
on
page
it's
5
out
of
127.
It's
not
marked
in
the
document
that
I
have,
but
I
guess
5
page
5
of
the
capital
improvement
program,
so
that
says,
fund
260,
measure
j.
So
that
shows
the
current.
You
know
existing
projects
and
then
the
2022
proposed
projects
right
so
yeah
those
the
2019
ones
are
the
ones.
I
recognize
that
we,
I
think
last
approved
right
and
then
can
you
remind
me
so
the
projects
that
were
impacted
by
the
pandemic
from
measure
j
in
2020
and
2021?
J
So
I
I
compiled
the
the
list,
basically
the
cip
list
and
to
do
the
cip
list
correctly
and
to
project
I
combined
all
the
funds,
so
the
ones
that
you
are
looking
at
the
22,
the
new
projects
we
still
haven't
really
taken
to
measure
j,
so
I
included
them
there.
It
was
gonna.
I
was
gonna,
have
to
undo
a
lot
of
work
to
be
able
to
give
you
a
cip
that
didn't
have
measure
j
funded
projects
in
there.
So
I
just
we
called
it
a
draft,
but
here
we're
clarifying
with
council.
J
We
are
going
to
back
to
measure
j.
I
think
a
meeting
scheduled
for
the
11th,
which
is
next
week
where
we
will
present
these
projects
and
when
we
bring
you
the
final
copy.
If
measure
j
at
some
point
resolves
that
we
they
don't
support
these
projects,
they
will
be
removed
and
they
will
not
be
brought
forward,
but
it
would
be
a
a
list
that
measure
j
approves
if
that
sort
of
explains.
G
D
But
for
the
most
part
the
cip
is
a
pretty
good
collection
of
projects.
You
can
add
to
it
for
sure,
but
it's
it's
pretty
substantial
as
it
is
so
so
all
that's
left
to
clarify,
I
think,
is
which
ones
measure
j
funding
will
support
again,
with,
with
the
caveat
that
some
projects
could
be
added
or
removed
entirely.
L
If
measure
j
funds
are
being
used,
but
if
they
don't
recommend
it,
it
shouldn't
come
off
the
list.
It
should
just
if
it's
a
staff
recommendation
to
use
measure
j
funds,
because
ultimately
they
make
recommendations
but
will
decide.
So
I
thought
it
was
just
said
that
they'd
come
off
the
list.
If
measure
j
doesn't
recommend
them,
but
they
would
just
come
to
us
without
a
recommendation
right.
The
I
guess
not
to
do
that.
Right
now,.
D
L
A
couple
things
one:
I
do
think
what
we've
done
in
the
past
is
we
sort
of
started
with
a
joint
meeting
or
almost
study
session
hour
with
measure
j.
So
we
could
ask
some
questions,
so
I
mean
there
was
some
question
raised
about
like
a
school
garden
project,
so
what
what
their
thinking
was
and-
and
there
are
things
we'll
know
that
they
may
not
know
about
agreements
we
have
with
some
of
you
know,
with
leases
that
may
put
funding
things
in
place
just
looking
at
some
of
the
the
community
projects.
L
So,
but
if
is
one
of
the
things
you
want
from
us
on
these
nine
projects
to
prioritize,
I
guess
my
question
is
one:
do
we
have
the
funding
to
do
all
of
them
and
two
do
we
have?
If
yes
do
we
have
the
staff,
because
otherwise
it's
really
hard
to
prioritize
right
or
are
we
you're
saying
pick
this
much
money's
worth
to
do
this?
L
A
G
A
G
I
just
so
I
don't
lose
the
train
of
thought.
Thank
you.
That's
what
we're
used
to
is
a
lot
more
information
and
community
vetting
and
public
process
before
these
projects
come
to
us,
and
so
you
know
immediately
if
we
approve
this
for
pickleball,
which
I
support,
we're
going
to
get
immediate
questions
about.
Why
not
this?
Why
not
this?
What
about
this?
You
also
promised
this
right
and
I
just
don't.
Usually
what
we
have
is
a
list
of
projects
measure
j
recommended.
G
G
So
I
appreciate
that
that
information
is
in
the
cip,
but
it's
not
super
accessible
to
the
public
in
the
staff
report
or
even
to
me,
looking
at
it
now
and
trying
to
pull
up
this
document,
that's
online
and
it's
hard
to
load.
So
you
know,
while
I'm
doing
it
so
yeah,
could
you
sorry
city
manager?
I
knew
you
were
going
to
respond
to
that,
but
just
for
clarity,
that's
the
process
that
we
typically
have,
and
we
understand
that
we
want
to
streamline
those
processes
and
make
sure
they're
clear
about
roles.
D
So,
council,
we
can
certainly
take
any
direction
you'd
like
in
vetting
the
measure
j
projects,
especially
we
we
do
acknowledge
that
we
want
to
go
back
to
them
and
get
their
recommendations
and
that
those
recommendations
need
to
come
back
to
you,
and
what
you'd
like
to
do
is
what
we
did
before
the
pandemic
and
have
a
study
session
to
compare
notes
with
them.
That's
fine!
D
In
some
ways.
I
can
understand
what
you're
saying
that
some
of
this
is
less
thorough
with
something
like
the
measure
j.
That
right
now
is
more
conceptual.
At
the
same
time,
we're
looking
at
a
consolidated
document.
The
measure
j
funding
has
historically
been.
You
know:
15
17
million,
it's
it's
exceeding,
maybe
20
million,
but
we've
got
333
million
dollars
in
projects,
so
we're
trying
to
expand
the
context
as
well,
and
it's
hard
to
both
expand
the
breadth
of
the
cons
of
the
projects,
but
then
also
include
that
depth.
So
you're,
absolutely
right.
D
So
if
we're
looking
for
any
prioritization
on
that
list
and
not
excluding
that,
you
want
to
introduce
brand
new
things
and-
and
we've
heard
some
of
that
come
up
this
evening-
our
goal
is
just
to
demonstrate
one.
We've
got
a
lot
of
projects
already
going,
but
two.
What
are
those
that
we
should
start
the
earlier
stages
of
planning
to
lead
into
design
to
lead
into
construction?
What
are
the
next
ones?
D
We
issued
a
list
of
nine
projects
based
on
things
that
we
either
previous
councils
have
said,
or
you
know,
we've
learned
elsewhere
sound
like
priorities,
but
that
does
not
mean
it's
an
exclusive
list.
So
if
you
don't
want
to
do
any
of
those
projects
and
want
to
do
others,
that's
fine.
That
is
the
direction
we're
looking
for.
D
I
understand
that
measure.
J
typically
brings
its
recommendations.
If,
if
you
want
to
pause
this
conversation
until
we
have
a
conversation
with
measure
j
and
bring
that
back,
we
can.
This
is
a
little
bit
of
a
lofty.
You
know
expectation
to
have
you
grapple
with
this
entire
cip
and
because
we
have
so
many
projects
going,
we
are
not
going
to
be
sitting
around
tomorrow
with
nothing
to
do
wondering
what
projects
are
our
priorities,
we're
so
we
we
do
have
time
if.
A
D
Thank
you
mayor.
I
think
that's
a
good
way
to
take
a
smaller
bite
of
the
apple
and
and
because
we
have
a
lot
of
projects
already
started
and
because
we
have
a
lot
of
restricted
revenues,
the
the
funds
aren't
going
anywhere.
We
we
have
a
defined
beginning
balance
and
we
have
a
pretty
well
known.
You
know
incoming
revenue
and
estimate
to
year
end.
So
the
starting
point
is
the
same.
Regardless
of
what
we
want
to
do
with
projects.
D
D
Maybe,
after
that,
we
circle
back
with
measure
j
and
some
of
those
specific
projects,
and
maybe
after
we
get
an
entire
year's
worth
of
new
priorities,
we
start
to
take
on
years
two
three,
four
and
five
in
the
cip
to
make
sure
our
master
list
is
reflective
of
all
of
these
interests
and
the
things
that
may
have
been
forgotten
about
over
the
years.
We
can
take
it
in
phases.
D
A
It'd
be
really
hard
for
all
of
us
to
come
to
consensus
on
we
shouldn't
do
this
or
we
shouldn't
do
that.
We
may
all
pick
a
project
out
of
the
125
pages
and
say
I'm
not
sure
we
should
do
this.
But
to
get
to
the
point
that
we
have
consensus,
I
think
would
be
a
struggle
right
now.
That's
one
person's
opinion,
but.
D
So,
council,
I
think
that
could
just
be
our
path
forward,
then
is
is
again
the
the
budget
amounts
themselves.
They
can
be
allocated
in
consolidated
line
items
where
you
know,
or
we
can
allocate
them
even
kind
of
somewhat
prospectively
to
the
projects,
especially
the
ones
that
are
already
started
and
active,
so
that
we
are.
We
can
continue
to
expense
on
those
projects,
but
maybe
next
time
we
revisit
this
we'll
take
a
component
piece.
D
D
The
the
way
that
you
typically
weigh
in
on
what's
allocated
is
deciding
what
projects
those
funds
support
that
the
funding
itself
for
most
of
those
are
already
dedicated
to
capital
like
measure
j,
it's
not
going
to
be
spent
on
anything
else,
so
the
money
doesn't
go
away
you,
so
you
don't
weigh
in
on
what's
coming
in
on
measure
j
next
year.
Right,
that's
a
that's!
A
revenue
projection
and
whatever
comes
in
is
just
reflective
of
spending
in
the
community.
It's
not
a
decision.
We
have
to
make.
The
decision
is:
where
do
we
spend
those
funds?
D
G
Yeah,
so
I
disagree
with
that
plan.
I
think
we
should
have
those
conversations
for
this
fiscal
year
and
the
budget.
I
think
it's
really
important.
That's
one
of
the
ways
that
the
community
you
know
has
their
input
through
us
and
allocating
what
projects
are
going
to
come
forward
and
we've
been
fighting
for
a
lot
of
years
to,
for
example,
set
aside
money
for
the
library
and
get
this
fire
station
one.
You
know
ready
to
go,
so
I
want
to
see
action.
A
D
So
I
I'm
only
recognizing
that
it's
may
4th.
We
have
to
pass
a
budget
before
the
end
of
june
measure.
J
is
going
to
take
a
look
at
recommendations
on
the
11th,
if
they're
done
with
those,
and
we
have
a
place
on
our
agenda
for
an
additional
study
session
or
something
we
can
absolutely
bring
those
back.
I'm
only
making
the
point
that,
while
we
want
to
get
as
much
of
this
clear
for
the
upcoming
budget
as
possible
july
1
is
not
a
magic
date
right.
D
So
so,
let's
get
as
much
work
done
as
we
can
before
the
start
of
the
fiscal
year.
But
if
you
made
the
decision
on
how
to
allocate
measure
j
on
july
10th,
because
what
was
in
the
budget
was
a
placeholder
we'd
replace
that
placeholder
with
specific
projects
on
july
10th.
So
we
will
work
as
hard
as
we
can
to
get
as
far
down
that
road
as
possible.
It's
difficult
to
anticipate
with
the
number
of
questions
and
other
things
that
have
come
up,
how
much
progress
we'll
make,
but
we
will
we'll
work
at
it.
L
Yeah,
I
mean
you
know
for
talking
about
july,
to
make
some
of
these
decisions,
and
it
gives
us
more
opportunity
and
meet
with
measure
j
and
the
public
to
weigh
in
I'm
okay
with
that.
But
but
where
I'm
a
little
challenged
is
there
were
some
infrastructure
projects
we
talked
about
from
the
general
fund.
So
if
we
end
up
with,
let's
say
four
of
these
priorities
right
with
out
of
measure
j
funds,
then
we
have
to
decide
if
there
are
other
one-time
spending
right.
L
D
Sure
so
the
only
things
standard
and
typical
that
comes
from
the
general
fund
is
a
two
million
dollar
transfer
from
the
general
fund
to
the
capital
fund,
you're
right
that
I
suggested
potentially
using
some
of
the
accumulated
fund
balance
in
the
general
fund
strictly
for
the
plaza
theater,
and
actually,
I
think
the
proposal
was
some
that
might
come
from
measure
j
and
some
that
might
come
from
that
fund
balance.
I
believe,
that's
virtually
the
only
exception.
D
There
are
some
investments
we
make
out
of
the
the
general
fund
and
fleet
and
facilities
and
things
that
are
capital
assets,
but
for
the
most
part,
all
of
the
big
capital
projects
are
housed
in
the
general
fund
and
the
only
or
sorry
the
capital
fund
don't
mean
to
make
this
worse.
All
of
our
big
projects
are
housing.
The
capital
fund
and
the
only
thing
that
comes
from
the
general
fund
to
support
them
is
the
two
million
dollar
transfer.
D
I
I
don't
think
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
time
pressure
to
to
to
do
that,
because
we
have
accumulated
balances
already
in
our
capital
fund,
you're,
not
going
to
expense
the
available
funding
in
12
months.
No
matter
what
we
do,
so
you
might
still
decide
well
before
we
execute
the
project
that
you
would
prefer
it
to
come
from
existing
general
fund
balance
instead
of
our
accumulated
capital
fund
balance.
D
But
you
would
even
have
time
to
make
that
decision
well
before
we're
spending
the
money
because
we
have
we
have.
I
don't
know
if
we
have
any
schedule
or
if
nancy
or
anyone
can
help
us
understand
what
our
fund
balance
is
in
the
general
fund
or
some
of
the
unspent
from
sources
like
measure
j,
but
because
we're
a
little
bit
behind
and
coming
off
the
pandemic.
We
have
significant
funding
there.
So
so
the
issue
really
won't
be
missing,
missing
the
opportunity
to
make
a
decision
to
support
those
with
general
fund
dollars.
G
Can
I
ask
a
follow-up,
I'm
so
sorry,
so
I
don't
know
if
it's
my
baby
was
up
at
5
00
a.m
or
my
I'm
just
not
understanding,
because
if
for
me,
this
is
a
trade-off
like
I
said
between
allocated
positions
and
capital,
and
so
the
city
has
additional
revenue
that
we
could
invest
in
the
community
and
we
can
do
it
for
one
for
both
you
know
for
all
or
for
some.
So
I'm
not
understanding.
G
G
Are
all
combined
and
so
I'm
having
a
really
hard
time
because
they're
not
separating
out,
I
mean
we
have
enough
revenue.
Excess
revenue
essentially
to
you
know,
really
kick
start
a
library
right
away.
Do
we
have
the
staffing
capacity?
Maybe
not
right?
Do
we
have
the
planning
that's
required
not
yet,
but
to
me
those
are
all
different
sides
of
the
same
coin
of
how
we
spend
our
money
and
deploy
it
and
invest
it
in
the
community.
So
how
could
I
approve
a
budget
without
being
able
to
weigh
those
things
together.
I
Yes,
nancy
paulie
here
to
talk
to
you.
So
what
we're
talking
about
our
last
study
session?
We
brought
just
the
general
fund
forward
we're
bringing
bringing
the
capital
project
fund
separately
because
it
really
doesn't
relate
to
the
general
fund.
The
only
thing
that
relates
to
the
general
funds,
which
is
operational
to
run
the
city,
is
most
of
the
salaries.
There
aren't
any
really
salaries
paid
out
of
the
capital
projects.
I
So
when
you
want
to
know
the
difference
between
say,
do
we
fund
15
firefighters,
or
do
we
build
a
pickleball
court
you're
talking
about
two
separate
things?
The
firefighters
would
come
directly
from
the
general
fund,
which
is
not
affected
with
the
cip,
so
the
cip
funds
don't
have
salaries
and
it's
not
determined
of
what
our
operations
are
in
the
general
fund.
So
when
we
have
our
capital
projects
fund
the
money
we
get
in
there
is
this
whole
different
fund
and
we
record
the
revenues
and
expenditures
just
for
projects.
I
Those
monies
coming
in
are
for
specifically
for
projects,
so
we
don't.
It
won't
affect
the
general
fund
at
all
unless
the
capital
project,
for
some
reason,
didn't
have
enough
funding
for
a
specific
project,
and
then
you
might
want
to
subsidize
that
project
by
using
general
fund
dollars.
At
this
point,
our
our
capital
projects
funds
have
more
than
enough
money
to
cover
projects
for
the
next
10
years,
because
of
how
many
we
have
and
how
long
it's
taking
to
get
these
projects
completed.
G
So,
thank
you.
I
think
that
was
a
really
helpful
explanation
for
the
public
who
might
not
understand
how
this
works.
I
appreciate
and
understand
how
the
different
funds
work,
but
if
there
we
could
add
additional
money
from
the
general
fund
to
the
capital
fund.
If
we
wanted
to
do
additional
projects
or
we
could
fund
projects
out
of
the
general
fund
too,
to
pay
for
a
library
or
something
of
that
sort,
so
we
can
move
money
between
and
so
really
it's
not
all.
G
This
that's
separated
in
the
way
that
you're
describing
when
we
approve
the
budget
and
if
I'm
the
only
one
here
I
know
it's
laid,
I'm
happy
to
discuss
it
with
staff.
You
know
as
we
go
if
council
goes
different
direction,
but
to
me
the
money
that
we
deploy
to
the
community
and
how
much
we
invest
in
capital,
improvement
and
planning
and
how
much
we
might
put
aside
for
different
projects
is
related
to
how
much
staff
thing
we
add.
D
Yes,
I
think
you're
absolutely
right
on
that
piece
of
the
relationship.
If
council's
priority
was
completing
more
projects,
then
it
may
require
additional
support
from
the
general
fund.
I
think
that
is
the
point
you're
making
and
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
I
think
nancy
is
right,
that
there
is
no
sea
change
in
our
approach.
D
That's
going
to
spend
down
our
capital
funds
that
quickly,
if
you
want
to
exercise
more
restraint,
because
you
think
the
future
of
our
capital
fund
might
need
more
support
than
the
two
million
dollars
we've
been
putting
in
and
the
money
that
comes
in
from
measure
j.
That
really
is
a
significant
difference
in
in
approach.
That
would
take
a
broader
conversation
and
if
council
thinks
that
might
be
the
case,
then
then,
yes,
we
should
have
that
conversation
soon,
so
that
you
can
exercise
that
restraint
in
new
positions
to
the
general
fund.
D
G
And
it's
so
unique
this
year,
because
we
have
so
much
additional
in
revenue
than
that
was
budgeted,
and
so
it
is
one
of
our
first
and
only
opportunities
to
have
a
significant
money
available
to
really
decide
should
how
much
should
go
to
staffing?
How
much
should
go
to
capital
if
we
need,
we
have
all
this
deferred
maintenance.
B
Thank
you.
I
think
it
was
helpful
to
get
a
sense
of
both
sets
of
funds,
but
I
I
agree
with
councilmember
member
holstage
that
the
next
step
is
really
looking
at
it
together
and
figuring
out
how
we
want
to
move
forward,
because
the
general
fund
is
flexible
and
we
can
decide
to
put
more
money
towards
different
things.
B
B
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
and
especially
like
the
fire
station,
the
fires,
we
don't
have
enough
capital
funds
for
the
entire
fire
station
right
now.
So
maybe
we
want
to
add
more
money
towards
that
right
now.
Knowing
that
it's
a
big
upcoming
project-
and
we
have
additional
funds
now,
so
I'm
I'm
just
but
to
me
this
is
the
next
step
right.
D
B
D
Is
this
is
very
helpful?
I
think
I
think
we
can
bring
them
back
and
and
connect
them
and
and
help
illuminate
some
of
what
we're
saying
too
about
you
know
we
have
a
commit
accumulated
balance
and
we
have
incoming
revenue.
All
the
positions
we
have
funded
in
total
are
something
like
three
million
dollars,
which
is
a
drop
for
the
capital
fund.
D
It's
not
a
library
or
you
could
use
our
entire
fund
balance
on
a
library
and
and
a
fire
station,
but
those
monies
are
gone
and
that's
why
the
general
fund
is
usually
leaned
on
for
ongoing
operations,
because
you
can
do
something
like
20
positions,
but
that
might
only
equal
a
small
piece
of
a
project.
So
so
maybe
what
we
need
to
do
is
highlight
some
of
those
numbers
and
put
some
scale
to
this,
to
just
help,
create
that
context
and
ask
the
question
where
council
would
like
to
to
shift
funding.
D
We
will
propose
talking
about
both
so
that
we
can
make
this
linkage
a
little
more
clear
and
and
get
a
little
more
clear
on
our
total
balance
in
capital,
our
balance
in
in
in
our
general
fund
and
then
the
incoming
revenue
for
each
since
they
really
function
differently
and
and
we'll
include
in
that
some
analysis.
That
would
help
you
understand
what
it
might
look
like
to
shift
emphasis
and
and
to
use
the
general
fund
to
support
projects
so
that
you
can
put
that
in
context
and
give
us
direction.
A
If
I
could,
I'm
really
almost
don't
want
to
do
this
because
they
don't
want
to
prolong
things
too
much.
But
I
have
some
history
with
the
capital
improve.
Are
the
community
initiated
projects
from
measure
j?
I
was
as
a
member
of
the
community
one
of
the
folks
who
argued
very
strongly
that
we
needed
to
have
them
the
reason
that
they
emerged
as
community
initiated
projects
is
staff
was
bringing
to
measure
jade
no
offense
intended.
A
We
think
you
should
consider
doing
x,
y
and
z
and
what
was
getting
lost
were
the
smaller
community
projects
that
many
of
us
were
interested
in
and
many
of
us
pushed
for
measure
to
get
measure
j
passed
measure.
J
commission
became
responsible
through
the
direction
through
the
request
to
the
community
and
the
direction
of
the
city
council
to
develop
these
community
initiated
projects.
A
I
understand:
what's
happened
in
the
last
two
years,
but
I
believe
it's
very
important
that
we
give
measure
j
the
opportunity
to
return
to
gaining
community
in
as
to
what
are
the
the
projects
that
they
are
most
interested
in
for
that
one
million
dollars
and
that
as
much
as
possible,
we
as
a
council
and
as
staff
stay
out
of
the
process
of
the
community,
engaging
with
measure
j
until
after
measure
j
has
made
their
recommendations,
and
then
that
should
come
to
city
council.
For
a
conversation.
A
H
Just
when
we
come
back
with
the
you
know,
both
the
capital
improvement,
the
general
fund
budget-
I
just
really
want
to
revisit
a
little
bit,
make
sure
what
our
we're
putting
in
for
reserves
and
for
our
calpers.
So
we
have
a
good
understanding
of
that.
I
think
that
is
a
big
liability
for
us
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
it
and
not
just
addressing
it
for
the
future
health
of
the
city,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
is
as
part
of
the
equation.
H
I'm
also
going
to
ask
to
have
a
meeting
with
the
city
attorney
on
the
measure
j
process.
I
read
the
ordinance
a
little
bit
different.
I
know
that
there's
been
a
process
by
which
the
city
has
morphed
into
I.
I
think
an
oversight
committee
is
very
different
than
somebody
who's
making
recommendations
that
they
oversee.
I
think
they
should
be
making
recommendations
on
their
findings
of
the
oversight
not
on
projects,
so
the
city
clerk
has
actually
developed
done.
H
L
Or
just
one
follow
up
on
that,
I
think
that's
a
whole
comp
council
conversation.
You
know,
there's
an
ordinance
that
was
passed
back
in
2011,
I
believe,
when
measure
j,
when
it
was
promised
to
the
voters,
there
would
be
the
commission
to
make
recommendations
and
it's
very
clear
that
they
uses
the
word.
Shall
the
commission
shall
review
all
expenditures
and
shall
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council
on
all
programs
and
projects
proposed
to
be
funded
in
whole
or
in
part
by
measure
j
revenues
and
priorities?
L
L
I
think
if
we
want
to
change
the
ordinance-
that's
absolutely
our
prerogative,
but
currently
that's
what
the
ordinance
requires
is
that
they're
required
to
make
recommendations
to
us
before
we
make
our
decisions
on
measure
j.
If
it's
any
of
the
funds
are
used
for
measure
j,
and
I
have
the
ordinance
up
right
now.
So
if
we
want
to
change
the
ordinance,
that's
a
conversation,
change
the
ordinance
and
what
the
commission's
roles
and
responsibilities
are.
L
We
can
definitely
discuss
that,
but
from
the
beginning,
it
talks
about
the
oversight,
commission,
shower,
review
all
revenues
and
recommended
expenditures
and
shall
make
recommendations
to
the
city
council.
If
any
measure
funds
are
used
now
we
don't
always
follow
them.
I
don't
think.
There's
a
year
we've
ever
you
know,
they've
had
different
views
and
staff
on
some
things
and
council
ended
up
doing
something
in
between,
but
I
think
we
want
to
talk
about
changing
the
ordinance.
That
should
be
the
whole
council.
Having
that
conversation.