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No
I
decided
where,
and
it
was
just
hearing
just
general
discussions-
I
mean
you
think
if
he
was
gonna
write
an
article
battery,
but
it
called
me
up
to
ask
me
about
it.
He
never
did
I
was
shocked
when
I
saw
that
there,
because
I
really
couldn't
say
much
I
just
said
I,
we
didn't
have
any
details
yet
that
no
one
was
working
on
it.
We
didn't
know
where
was
going
to
be
what
time
is
going.
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I
have
not
said
anything,
that's
why
I
just
talked
about
weird
she,
it's
her
show
just
I
just
agreed
to
what
she
wanted
to
do.
Her
I
told
her.
It's
her
show
I'll
do
whatever
she
wants.
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F
You
miss
Hart.
Do
we
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
agenda
as
published?
No
moved
seconded
motions
are
made
and
seconded
to
accept
the
agenda
as
published
all
in
favor,
say
aye
any
opposed,
seeing
none
opposed
the
exclusion
is
accepted
as
printed
okay.
We
as
a
joint
budget
meeting
with
the
measure,
J
Commission,
walk
you
all
tonight
and
first
we
will
have
a
review.
F
L
Thank
You
mr.
mayor
members
of
council
and
Commission
of
so
mayor
what
we
thought
we
would
do
this
evening.
The
first
is
start
off
with
measure
J.
They
have
a
recommendation
to
make
to
you
and
they'll
have
comments
and
then,
of
course,
you'll
be
able
to
ask
questions
of
them
on
their
report.
You
have
discussion
questions
then
staff.
We
will
give
a
brief
review
of
the
city's
budget.
Highlights
and
you'll
then
obviously
have
a
chance
to
ask
us
some
questions
at
that
point,
then
we
would
open
it
up
to
public
comment
for
input.
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B
Good
evening,
thank
you
very
much.
Marylin
City
members
of
City,
Council
I
think
before
I,
beginning
I'd,
like
to
just
give
you
an
overview
of
what
we're
about
to
do.
There
are
two
parts
to
this
presentation.
One
part
has
to
do
with
capital
projects
that
have
not
been
financed,
that
we
are
making
recommendations
for
from
measure
J
funds
which
have
not
been
previously
allocated
and
I'll.
Take
you
through
those
recommendations.
The
second
part
has
to
do
with
our
community
projects.
B
It
will
be
continuing
into
next
year,
but
because
those
themes
have
to
be
researched,
we
are
going
to
present
to
you
the
ideas
that
we
would
like
to
have
some
work
done,
so
that
when
we
come
to
fiscal
year,
2017
2000
2018
2019
we'll
be
prepared
to
move
forward
on
some
other
kinds
of
projects
that
have
to
do
with
community
themes
yeah.
So
there
are
two
pages
in
your
agenda
that
are
relevant
to
this
discussion.
The
first
page
is
page
27.
B
When
you
take
all
of
that
away
from
the
thirteen
four,
it
left
us
with
approximately
2.6
million
dollars
to
allocate
to
new
projects
for
this
coming
year.
On
page
or
the
third
page
of
the
agenda,
which
is
the
page
immediately
after
the
two
pink
pages,
you
will
see
list
of
capital
projects
that
were
presented
to
us
through
city
staff
and
city
engineers
gave
us
a
detailed
presentation
on
each
one
of
these
projects.
These
were
priorities
that
were
brought
forth
to
measure
J,
the
first
page
after
the
two
pink
pages.
B
Is
it
Stevens
that
basically
took
all
the
money
that
we
had
that
was
unallocated
for
this
year.
These
other
projects,
although
allworthy,
did
not
receive
as
much
support
as
these
first
four
projects.
So
these
first
four
projects
are
our
recommendations
for
the
use
of
unallocated
measure
J
funds
for
next
year,
any
discussion
or
question.
That's
the
first
part
of
this
presentation.
It
was
very
simple:
there
wasn't
much
money
to
allocate.
H
B
And
these
were
lasted
the
every
year
they
roll
over,
although
every
year
new
projects
are
added.
So
these
are,
there
is
a
quite
a
bit
of
unfinanced
capital
projects,
but
actually
less
than
there
has
been
in
the
past
since
we've
been
financing
capital
projects
for
the
last
four
years-
and
this
would
be
a
fifth
guess.
B
The
question
these
projects
that
we're
talking
about,
which
is
the
two
point-
six
that
comes
from
the
funds
other
than
the
1
million
dollars
reserved
for
community
projects,
are
infrastructure
projects
or
projects
that
are
hard
capital
cost
projects.
You
know
upgrading
of
streets
and
things
of
that
sort.
I
do
agree
with
you
that
conceptually,
if
we
were
to
address
issues
of
homelessness,
it
would
ideally
fit
under
the
under
the
category
of
community
projects.
B
N
N
B
At
this
point,
I
think
measure
J
would
and
did
assume
that
without
it's
being
asked
to
reevaluate
it
that
because
it
had
been
approved-
and
we
had
agreed
with
the
city
that
we
were
doing
it
and
there
was
an
ongoing
cost
which
we
put
into
the
multi-year
plan
just
in
the
same
way
as
many
other
things
we
were
not,
we
did
not
revile,
you
ate
it.
We
could,
if
we
were,
it
was
suggested,
but
we
did
not.
N
L
In
essence,
we
had
to
purchase
them
a
lease,
so
was
it
was
almost
there
was
a
disincentive
to
get
out
of
it,
I
think
in
the
first
three
years,
then
we
would
have
to
make
a
balloon
payment,
but
I
believe
it's
after
Marcus
is
a
year
for
somewhere
after
your
for,
if
council
abandoned
the
program,
I
don't
believe
we
would,
the
buses
basically
would
be
ours.
L
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L
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F
K
We
didn't
ever
get
into
the
revenue
generating
aspect
of
it,
which
we
looked
at
some
very
interesting
ideas
for
that,
and
so
so
that
has
potential
as
well,
rather
than
being
completely
funded,
and
there
were
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
presentation
that
the
council's
probably
going
to
need
to
see
right.
The
tab
coming.
K
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Well,
from
my
standpoint
and
knowing
that
majority
of
the
hotels
customers
don't
use,
the
bus
and
I'll
give
you
the
example
of
the
Renaissance,
the
Hilton,
the
hired
the
hard
rock
the
palm
noun
turn
the
the
Las
Brisas
and
on
and
on
because
it's
much
easier
for
our
customers
to
walk
a
couple
of
blocks
to
downtown
rather
than
if
the
bus
stops
at
the
Hilton.
And
if
my
customer
was
to
get
into
that
buzz,
the
buzz
makes
several
stops
before
it
gets
to
Riviera
and
at
the
Riviera
is
making
a
stuff
for
another
ten
minutes.
D
N
Something
when
the
count
when
the
subcommittee
does
a
presentation,
it
is
a
big
cost
factor,
well,
I
think
to
have
the
conversation.
My
other
is
just
on
the
four
projects
mentioned
so
before
phase
one
of
the
Bullards
and
the
crosswalks
which
get
into
that
pedestrian
traffic
safety.
That's
not
coming
out
of
the
community!
Yesterday
on
traffic
safety,
that's
additional!
Those.
N
E
That
there's
a
need
eventually
to
put
those
rigid
bollards
in
at
every
street
that
connects
with
the
village
fest
we've
been
using
vehicles
essentially
to
to
block
anyone
who
would
purposefully
or
by
accident,
drive
a
car
on
to
village
fest.
So
with
the
recent
unfortunate
incidents
that
have
occurred
elsewhere,
beginning
back
with
the
Third
Street
Promenade
accident
in
Santa,
Monica
we've
been
investigating
these
bollards
and
so
the
first.
The
first
project
is,
you
know,
addressing
the
real
issue
of
mixing
cars
and
pedestrians
at
La
Plaza,
which
is
why
we
prioritized
that
300,000.
F
A
F
Because
I
think
in
the
past
there
has
been
some
discussion.
The
village
fest
could
potentially
move
into
the
new
downtown
section,
and
this
brings
up
and
I
haven't
thought
about
in
a
long
time.
I
know
originally.
When
the
downtown
was
planned,
there
was
ball
words
for
the
downtown
to
block
off
those
streets.
Are
those
ball
words
still
in
the
plans.
C
L
A
Yes,
for
Museum
meets
Museum
yeah.
Those
bollards
are
planned.
In
fact,
councilman
Mills
and
I
have
been
having
those
ongoing
discussions
in
subcommittee,
but
I
do
think.
We
should
look
a
little
more
closely
before
we
make
this
investment
unless
we
think
it's
even
worthwhile
for
temporary
use
rather
than
using
cars
or
other
things.
A
H
A
H
A
H
The
the
having
that
little
loop
still
in
La
Plaza
is
really
dangerous,
even
for
the
parades
and
so
but
but
I
totally
agree.
We
should
take
a
look
at
if
we
wanted
to
move.
If
we
were
thinking
about
having
village
best
somewhere
else,
we
should
think
about
the
future
of
installing
bollards
and
other
streets
and.
A
Then,
just
following
that,
the
question
comes
up
on
whether
having
a
car
blocking
a
street
when
necessary
is
a
bad
thing.
Yeah
that
temporary
fix,
if
you
want
to
close
a
street,
is
that
a
bad
thing
is
that
a
bad
solution
rather
than
spending
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
this?
So
I'm
not
saying
we
shouldn't
I,
just
wonder
we
should
question
the
need,
potentially
where
it
might
be
a
temporary
fix
anyway,
I.
B
A
A
B
B
A
F
Ready
on
one
thing
that
measure
Jay
has
been
covering
is
the
downtown
property
maintenance
and
other
expenses,
and
in
1617
it
was
475
and
1718
its
projected
at
500
with
the
downtown
opening
some
you
know,
August
September
and
then
those
garages
are,
the
underground.
Garages
will
start
being
used,
there'll,
be
more
electrical
costs
and
cleaning
cost,
and
also
we're
responsible
for
the
maintenance
of
the
landscaping
around
the
perimeter
of
the
Downtown
Development.
F
L
Well,
you're,
correct
and
I
think
this
will
be
enough
because
we're
going
to
have
dollars
left
over
from
the
current
year,
where
we
allocated
a
half
a
million
where
obviously
we
haven't
spent
that
level
so
I
think
between
the
carryover
and
the
new
appropriation
would
be
enough
to
get
us
through
the
next
fiscal
year.
But
beyond
that,
you're
right
those
numbers,
those
costs
are
going
to
range
between
a
half
and
three
quarters
of
a
million.
Ultimately
I
think
it's
probably
going
to
be
closer
to
a
million
and
a
half
and.
F
L
Only
because
the
half
a
million
we're
not
spending
that
in
the
current
fiscal
year
so
we'll
carry
that
over.
So
in
essence,
we're
going
to
have
close
to
a
million
dollars,
I
would
say,
or
nine
hundred
for
the
next
fiscal
year.
But
beyond
that,
we'll
probably
see
additional
increases,
particularly
for
police
and
fire.
So.
H
H
If
that's
a
measure
J
question
or
if
it's
a
city
question
as
to
what
the
status
is
on
some
of
these
likely
I
mean
have
we
started
anything
with
the
Chino
comb
trail
I
mean
I'd
like
you,
because
those
were
those
are
getting
to
be
a
couple
of
years
old,
so
we're
holding
this
money
back
from
you
know,
sitting
I,
don't
understand
how
money
just
sit
someplace
waiting
for
something
to
happen
for
several
years.
When
you
know
we
could
project
that
out
to
another
year
and
use
other
years
funds
I.
E
E
F
F
F
B
J
Chris
is
handing
out
some
materials
that
you
might
want
to
look
at
as
we're
talking
just
so
that
you
can
refer
to
some
specific
projects
related
to
what
we'll
be
talking
about.
I'd
like
to
start
with
the
fact
that
this
is
our
third
group
of
projects.
Since
measure
J
was
formed
and
we've
learned
a
lot
over
the
years.
You'll
recall
our
first
group
of
projects
was
a
huge
group
of
projects.
I'm
not
sure
we
have
yet
finished
all
of
those
projects.
J
I
know
that
we
had
a
shade
structure
to
go
in
at
Mizell
that
started
out
at
25,000
thousand
dollars,
and
this
would
have
been
four
years
ago
and
was
just
recently
installed
at
Mizell
at
a
cost
of
eighty
seven
thousand
dollars.
So
we
realized
that,
by
going
out
to
the
public
and
accepting
all
kinds
of
suggestions
for
projects,
didn't
wasn't
as
easy
to
complete
as
having
a
more
controlled
managed
function.
J
This
is
a
sidewalk
project
this
next
year
and
they're
designing
the
sidewalks
and
there
they've
been
contacting
every
resident
that
whose
property
comes
in
contact
with
these
projects
and
inviting
them
to
a
meeting
which
was
just
held
a
couple
of
weeks
ago.
Very
well
attended.
Had
an
opportunity
ask
questions,
so
it
was
it's
very
well
planned
and
they
will
be
ready
to
begin
those
projects
after
RFPs
and
bids
are
accepted
in
the
end
of
summer,
so
it
should
go
very
smoothly
through
the
year.
J
The
other
project
that
they'll
be
working
on
this
year
related
to
the
second
set
of
themed
projects,
is
traffic
calming
related
to
begin
to
reduce
the
speed
of
traffic
in
various
neighborhoods
around
town,
and
that
was
one
of
the
issues
that
we
that
we
found
when
we
got
into
this
project
was
that
speed
was
an
issue
all
over
town.
So
this
is
something
that
will
that
they'll
be
looking
at
so
which
brings
us
to
our
third
project
and
last
fall.
J
As
David
said,
we
began
talking
to
individuals
and
groups
of
people
about
starting
our
third
themed
project
for
measure
J
and
inviting
people
to
come
and
speak
at
public
comment.
So
we
are,
we've
had
a
number
of
people
come
in
over
the
last
couple
of
months
and
have
identified
two
themes
that
were
bringing
forward
to
you
to
share
with
you.
J
So
that
was
that
project.
The
second
project
that
was
suggested
was
through
the
Parks
and
Rec
Commission
in
its
a
project
that
is,
and
you've
got,
that
pamphlet
in
front
of
you
and
I'll
also
say
that
the
map
that
you
have
was
developed
by
the
police
department,
showing
the
statistics
of
bicycle
and
pedestrian
accidents
over
the
last
three
years.
J
Some
of
those
dots
overlap,
so
if
they
were
three-dimensional,
you
would
see
those
groups
expanding
quite
a
bit.
But
it's
pretty
clear
to
see
where
those
where
the
significant
problem
areas
are
in
town
based
on
this
now
so
parks
and
recs
Commission
also
came
in
and
spoke
to
us
about
a
number
of
projects
that
they
would
recommend
for
the
parks.
J
The
part,
our
parks
with
shade
picnic
areas,
barbecues
places
where
families
can
come
and
have
a
family
get-together
in
the
shade,
they're,
also
assessing
parks
for
ad
a
remediation
and
would
like
to
have
funds
to
do
more
of
that.
So
after
listening
twice
to
these
two,
these
two
groups,
we
measure
J,
agreed
that
these
would
be
good
projects
for
the
city,
and
we
thought
that
the
one
the
parks
project
was
a
great
one
for
increasing
the
overall
livability
of
our
city
and
the
hotspots.
J
2.0
project
was
one
that
had
the
potential
of
saving
lives
in
our
city,
so
the
motion
was
made
at
the
March
measure,
J
meeting
recommending
and
I'm
reading.
The
motion
recommend
that
we
approve
the
two
community
projects
over
a
four
year
period
and
again
for
planning
purposes.
We're
asking
for
four
years
with
two
million
dollars
being
allocated
to
Parks
and
Recreation,
and
two
million
dollars
allocated
to
hotspots
2.0,
subject
to
the
following
restriction
on
parks
and
recreation.
With
the
understanding
we
may
have
to
look
at
that
funding.
J
N
First,
thank
you.
A
D
N
N
H
H
H
We
were
all
aware
that
we'll
never
be
able
to
solve
it,
but
we
we
do
feel
that
we've
made
a
dent
and
we
can
continue
to
make
make
a
significant
impact
on
the
homeless
in
our
community
through
some
of
the
programs
that
we're
planning
and
so
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
we
bring
that
to
you,
but
but
I.
It
is
a
priority
for
this
council,
and
so
we
do
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
that,
and
did
you
want
to?
A
A
Specifically,
do
you
have
a
number
in
mind
and
over
what
period
of
years,
if
we
were
to
use
measure
J
dollars
for
that,
and
then
you
know,
this
comes
to
a
time,
also
where
we
then
have
to
start
weighing
out
other
expenses,
like
the
buzz.
You
know
the
importance
of
these
type
of
things
compared
to
finally
trying
to
get
our
arms
around
the
homeless
situation.
I
mean
you
to
you
and
Councilwoman
foud
have
done
a
remarkable
job
I.
A
N
J
E
N
Funding
on
that
might
match
our
funding,
we'll
know
more
at
that
council
and
depending
on
which
portions
they
may
fund
they'll
be
other
portions,
but
one
is
emergency
transitional
housing.
You
know
and
we
find
a
manager,
the
housing
specialists,
those
things
which
we
did
for
for
most
of
roy's
with
great
success,
but
we
have
to
hopefully
we'll
have
a
building
which
would
they
be
able
to
lease.
But
what
we're
going
to
need
is
to
rent
it.
So
that
may
be
a
project,
but
I
would
think
we.
N
H
We
could
maintain
the
momentum,
but
right
now,
I,
don't
think
we
have.
We
don't
have
a
specific
number.
You
know
we're
working
on
a
plan
because
we
we
do
feel
we
will
get
this
grant,
and
so,
with
this
grant,
we
can
then
plan
it's
kind
of
waste
of
time
to
plan
for
something
that
we
don't
have
funding
for,
and
so
we're
looking
at
all
sources,
and
so
it
should
be
a
community
project.
H
N
N
N
A
H
I
want
to
talk
about
something
else
which,
which
I
think
is.
It
is
a
positive
thing,
something
that
I
think
we
all
should
look
at
that
math
that
you
gave
us
I
just
did
a
quick
count
of
the
number
of
bicycle
traffic
collisions
in
2016
as
compared
to
the
number
of
2014
and
with
the
additional
money
that
we
have
put
into
our
bicycle
routes.
We
have
cut
that
that
traffic
collision
in
half
more
than
half
and
we
quit
County
at
23
traffic
collisions
with,
but
with
bicyclists
in
in
2014
and
in
2016
we
had
11.
H
So
that
really
speaks
a
lot
to
the
fact
of
you
know:
people
ask
us
why
we're
so
much
in
favor
of
the
CV
link
or
why
we're
putting
so
much
money
into
bicycle
routes
and
and
here's
the
proof
of
their
are.
You
know
1214
more
people
that
were
not
hurt
in
an
accident
because
of
what
we
put
into
it.
So
this
was
a
great
little
map.
Mr.
mayor.
K
K
To
me
will
is
not
an
infrastructure
project
and
I,
don't
think
I'm
sympathetic
towards
it,
but
to
use
measure
J
money
for
that
is,
is
not
in
my
mind
what
we
promised
the
citizens
and
so
anything
that
yet
that
starts
to
move
away
from
infrastructure
projects
and
and
the
in
the
downtown
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
very,
very
slowly
and
I'm,
not
saying
like
I
said
I'm,
not
saying
it
isn't
an
issue,
but
I
think
we
should
be
looking
other
places
than
measure
J.
For
that.
That's.
N
Just
a
couple
things
on
that:
just
a
response,
one
I
think
homelessness
is
a
big
issue
downtown
and
I'm,
not
sure
that
the
buzz
qualifies
as
infrastructure.
I've
always
wondered
how
that's
infrastructure
versus
building
a
emergency,
shelter
for
Palm
Springs,
homeless
residents,
which
seems
like
a
building
so
that
voice
and
that's
a
question
I've
always
had
so
just
since
you
brought
that
up.
Was
there
discussion
as
buzz
being
infrastructure.
K
N
K
H
I
think
we
could
also
argue
that
not
having
so
many
homeless,
people
downtown
would
be
a
significant
part
of
the
rejuvenation
of
downtown
I.
Think
I
think
that
that's
that
that
to
us
is
one
of
the
major
things
that
we
hear
as
a
complaint
from
the
merchants
downtown
and
what
we
get
in
our
emails
from
tourists
who
feel
unsafe
downtown
because
of
the
number
of
homeless
people.
So
I
think
that
I
would
agree
with
councilmember
Kors
that
the
same
as
the
buzz
was
to
add
an
amenity
to
our
downtown.
H
K
Just
I
think
we.
We
need
to
look
at
look
at
where
that
money
came
from
and
and
perhaps
look
at
some
other
sources
and
I
know
Jeff
and
jenni
that
you
are
looking
at
at
other
sources,
I'm,
Jen
and
I'm
sure
that's
probably
the
number
one
goal
and
but
but
to
to
lip
the
measure.
J
group
to
have
them
modify
that
that
goal
as
a
the
goal
that
they
currently
have
for
infrastructure
is,
is.
F
F
F
Remember
that
very
distinctly,
because
it
was
a
very
extensive
discussion
that
we
had
also
a
couple
things
that
I'm
concerned
about
I,
don't
know
if
manager
J
is
looking
into
it,
but
I
know
our
cost
overruns
on
the
police
station
are
significant
or
the
s
session
overruns
that
there
are
because
we
haven't
started
yet
the
estimates
dr.
Reddy.
Have
we
given
the
measure
J
Commission,
a
full
impact
of
what
those
cost
estimate
increases
could
be.
L
E
We
don't
know
that
yet,
but
my
expectation
is
given
the
current
economic
climate,
which
is
great
for
the
city,
but
when
it
comes
to
bidding
contractors
aren't
trying
to
undercut
other
contractors
because
they're
all
busy
so
we're
seeing
you
know
when,
when
things
are
good,
the
prices
go
up
for
our
construction
contracts.
So
I've
heard
you
before
you
want
us
to
make
sure
we're
aiming
high
on
our
estimates,
but
right
now
it's
very
hard
to
gauge
with
our
projects
what
the
bids
will
come
in
at
they're
coming
in
higher,
though
so
right
now.
E
The
1.7
million
that
we're
requesting
for
funding
for
the
fire
station
would
provide
the
funding
for
the
currently
estimated
cost
of
the
project.
But
given
what
happened
with
the
police
station,
it's
possible
that
more
money
will
be
required
just
basically
based
on
the
lack
of
competition
in
the
bidding
environment.
So.
L
Also
I
would
add
mayor
that
we
should
really
absolutely
consider
the
fact
that,
probably
the
next
eight
to
ten
years,
we
need
to
think
about
in
measure
J
general
fund
combination.
Each
of
the
fire
stations
must
be
significantly
repaired,
they're
all
getting
old.
So
this
is
the
first
one
we're
doing,
but
they're
the
other.
The
others
are
going
to
need
repair
too,
and
so
we
should
plan
on
that
over
the
next
years.
As.
F
F
The
question
that
we
have
not
addressed,
I,
don't
I,
don't
know
if
measured,
measured,
changement
addressing
it
is
doing
any
planning
for
the
library,
because
I
know
a
couple
of
years
ago
there
was
the
you
know:
proposals
hook
like
small,
medium
and
large
renovation
costs
for
the
library,
and
we
still
don't
know
what
will
happen
to
college
of
the
desert.
But
if
that
doesn't
work
out
with
college
of
the
desert,
we
still
have
to
have
some
contingency
somewhere
in
the
future.
For
that
library,
instruction
correct.
That
is
absolutely
correct.
Is
there
any
any
allowance.
K
D
K
F
And
what
does
I
was
writing
numbers
in
and
and
and
doctor
ready?
It's
not
inconceivable,
you're
talking
about
measure
J
in
the
general
fund.
It's
not
inconceivable
with
our
retirement
annual
cost,
going
up
to
26
million
dollars
a
year
projected
in
2022
and
our
public
safety
costs
and
continuing
to
increase.
We
could
eventually
have
to
dig
in
to
measure
J
for
public
safety.
Correct
I
would.
A
L
A
L
So
that's
what
I
am
forecasting,
but
again
this
is
very
dynamic
and,
and
the
voters
did
have
the
understanding
to
be
used
for
capital,
but
a
big
part
of
this
was
the
downtown
and
we
did
know
that
what
the
downtown
was
going
to
be
increased
police
and
fire
services,
so
it
in
my
mind
at
least.
It
was
not
out
of
the
realm
of
possibility
to
think
that
a
portion
of
measure
J,
at
least
for
the
downtown
services,
would
be
appropriate.
F
N
N
If
we
were,
if
you
we're
going
to
look
at
it,
are
building
projects
right,
we
have
lost
our
of
our
emergency
shelter
and
we
need
a
new
place
as
an
emergency
shelter
and
we
need
affordable
housing
to
get
people
off
the
street
which
I
see
more
as
infrastructure,
but
I
appreciate
their
sort
of
a
split,
so
I
don't
want
to
leave
you
without
any
direction.
So
the.
F
N
F
N
N
N
Similarly
I'd
like
them
to
consider
the
buzz
which
I
don't
see,
is
infrastructure
and
if
I
were
picking
the
two
I
might
lean
to
trying
to
address
homelessness
and
have
place
for
homeless
people
to
go
because
leaving
them
on
the
street
downtown
and
in
parks
is
not
good
for
them.
The
city,
our
economy,
tourism
or
anything
and
especially
downtown
I,
agree.
F
As
we
get
as
we
move
towards
July
1st,
and
we
have
to
approve
something
that,
but
the
buzz
may
very
well,
if
not
this
year
become
on
the
chopping
block
next
year,
because,
frankly,
if
you
I've
only
written
a
few
times
but
there's
very
few
writers
and
even
with
the
official
counts
at
Warren's
at
dr.
84
dollars
and
50
cents
per
writer,.
L
F
N
D
H
B
D
B
Given
the
fact
that
we
anticipated
that
there
might
be
conversation
this
evening
and
that
wouldn't
end
up
being
as
absolutely
clear
as
crystal,
we
have
a
provision
for
a
regular,
measured,
a
meeting
a
week
from
this
Thursday.
So
there
would
be
a
City
Council
meeting
next
Thursday
is
that
correct
and
next
Wednesday.
F
B
I
just
want
to
want
some
clarification,
I
think
that
we'll
also
do
that
on
the
capital
projects
and
perhaps
give
you
some
alternatives,
maybe
three
or
four
below
the
ones
we
decided
on
in
case
you
decide
that
the
bollards
are
not
something
that
is
for
this
year.
Is
that
did
I
hear
that
also
okay?
So
we
can
have
another
meeting.
We've
all
agreed
that
we
would
have
another
meeting
and
then
we
can
communicate
again.
B
H
J
G
B
B
H
Lighting
I
would
rather
see
some
regular
lighting
in
the
parts
are
the
kids
playing
in
the
playgrounds
when
it's
law
you
know
in
the
wintertime
in
the
playgrounds
they
have
to
stop
like
it,
because
we
don't
light
our
our
playground
area,
so
parents
bringing
kids
to
the
to
the
park
after
they
get
off
work
to
play
it's
in
some
darkness,
and
so
so
I
think
this
is
an
isle
of
this
lighting
thing,
because
I
think
it's
really
really
needed
in
the
park
system.
Chairman.
G
G
What
we
thought
was
if
we
would
make
recommended
recommendations
based
on
what
was
provided
to
us
by
the
city
for
capital
projects,
with
the
exception
of
1
million
dollars
a
year
which
the
measure
J
Commission
would
then
meet
on
get
input
from
the
community
decide
how
we
thought
that
money
should
be
spent,
and
that
would
be
our
recommendation
and
we
thought
it
would
be
to
go
forward.
Now.
We
have
spent
three
four
months
talking
with
community
members.
G
We've
come
up
with
two
suggestions
over
four
year
period,
starting
in
two
I
of
18
and
we're
being
told:
oh
wait
a
minute
that
come
project
money,
maybe
that
should
be
spent
on
the
homeless
issue.
So,
if
that's
the
direction
you
want
us
to
go,
just
tell
us
that
and
we'll
stop
asking
the
community
how
to
spend
the
money
and
we'll
help
you
decide
what
might
be
a
good
way
to
help
the
homeless
situation.
B
Happened
here
was
in
my
interpretation,
especially
because
this
is
about
analysis
a
year
ahead
of
time
that
the
council
has
asked
us
to
consider
whether
homelessness
should
be
considered
within
the
group
of
projects
or
the
group
of
themes.
We
can
certainly
discuss
it
and
come
back
and
say:
no,
we
don't
or
we
could
all
say.
Well,
it's
a
new
topic
and
it
came
late.
It
came
under
the
after
hour
deadline,
but
I
think
that
council
has
the
authority
to
extend
the
deadline
and
so
I,
don't
think
we're
being
directed
I.
F
A
Yeah
Commissioner
Williams
I
want
to
say
that
I
heard
you
and
that
I
understand
that
it
can
be
frustrating
and
I
think
you're
right
in
some
cases,
I
think
you
sometimes
get
mixed
messages
and
it's
the
nature
of
the
budget
hearings.
It's
it's
just
painful,
because
naturally,
there's
never
enough
money
to
do
all
the
things
we
want
to
do,
and
each
one
of
us
up
here
has
something
that
we
feel
is
it.
You
know
excruciating
ly
important,
and
so
you
know
we
go
after
it.
A
We
can
continue
discussing
other
things,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
measure
J
can
or
will
be
able
to
solve
all
of
these
issues
that
we're
all
very
hopped
up
about.
So
I
want
to
say
that
if
you
are
feeling
frustrated,
it
probably
means
we're
confusing
you
and
I
want
to
personally
apologize
for
that.
Thank.
G
F
Yeah
I'd
like
to
also
add
that,
having
set
where
you're
sitting
I
know
how
much
study,
analysis
and
debate
you
go
through
for
countless
hours
coming
up
with
these
recommendations
and
I
really
appreciate
it,
and
it's
a
very,
very
challenging
job
and
also
welcome
to
the
relatively
new
mesh
J
commissioners.
So
I
know
some
of
some
of
you
are
all
our
veterans
from
day
one
but
there's
a
few
new
and
so
welcome
aboard
anything
else.
Counsel.
Anything
else
from
your
group,
chairman
Bogle
thank.
F
D
J
J
J
D
D
D
D
L
Budget,
yes,
thank
you
Mary.
The
second
part
of
this
is,
as
you
know,
we
presented
a
budget
to
you
several
meetings
ago.
What
I
want
to
do
this
evening
is
just
just
briefly
go
through
a
couple
highlights
of
the
of
the
budget
that
we
submitted.
Then.
Obviously
we
can
address
any
questions
that
council
has
at
that
point
mayor.
Then
we
would
open
up
for
public
comment
and
then
after
public
comment,
if
there's
any
direction
that
staff
that
the
council
wants
to
give
staff
out,
we
would
take
that
vent.
L
On
this
light,
here,
I
just
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
the
budget
that
we
submitted
obviously
was
essentially
balanced
with
what
we
believe
to
be
a
and
that's
not
working
over
there.
If
you
can
see
closely
about
three
hundred
and
forty
seven
thousand
dollar
deficit,
and
that
is
with
the
new
positions
that
we
are
requesting
and
a
couple
highlights
of
this
are
their
fiscal
reserves
would
be
about
19
million
19,
almost
20
percent,
and,
as
you
see
there,
there's
a
several
year
history
of
where
we've
been
with
reserves.
L
L
L
L
We've
anticipated
because
DWA
had
rate
increases,
as
did
it
did
Edison
now
with
returned
with
regard
to
specific
positions.
Obviously,
these
are
the
ones
that
were
included
in
the
recommended
budget,
obviously
have
the
the
jail
transport
officers
and
the
other
police
officers.
The
attorney
paralegal
I
would
note
that
amount
is
already
budgeted
in
the
City
Attorney's
budget,
silsila,
t's
maintenance
worker
and
the
deputy
fire
chief.
L
Now
again
that
total
cost,
even
with
that
cost,
our
total
deficit
would
be
about
three
hundred
and
thirty
one
thousand
dollars,
but
this
is
obviously
the
last
slide
in
a
main
piece
of
the
puzzle
of
this
budget.
As
you
can
see,
our
projected
CalPERS
pension
costs
are
significantly
going
to
increase
over
the
next
seven
eight
years,
and
you
see
right
currently
we're
about
thirteen
point
two
million,
and
we
expect
that
to
go
up
to
about
twenty
six
and
that's
based
on
the
new
formula
that
has
been
released
by
the
state
CalPERS.
L
And
so
that
being
said,
that's
something.
Obviously
we
need
to
to
think
about.
Our
natural
growth
in
revenue
is
not
going
to
keep
pace
with
that
amount.
We
also
have
all
bargaining
units
in
2018
will
be
up
for
renewal
and,
and
so
obviously
all
those
things
together
are
going
to
have
significant
impact,
particularly
on
this
number
here.
So
that
being
said
mayor
those
are
the
highlights
and
if
there's
any
questions
you
have,
we
happy
to
answer
them
specifically.
F
L
Obviously
the
development
we've
done
and
we've
had
some
significant
increase
there,
but
going
forward
that
annually
what
Jeff
this
is
about
two
million
you're
expecting
this
year,
so
so
our
natural
growth
in
the
two
to
four
million
dollars
in
all
areas
to
balance
natural
expenses,
every
crease-
that's
about,
hopefully
it
evens
out,
but
we
would
not
anticipate
enough
natural
growth
to
address
these
first
costs.
Well,.
K
L
F
Now,
on
the
CalPERS
projection,
which
you
have
up
on
the
screen
now,
it
shows
that
going
up
to
projected
twenty
six
million
dollars
a
year
from
the
current
year.
Thirteen
point:
two
million
in
twenty
twenty
two,
twenty
three,
that's
based
upon
whether
what
they're
saying
right
now,
which
is
a
seven
percent
income
but
I,
believe
recently
their
their
success
on
that
has
been
significantly
less.
F
F
Another
question
I
had
was
on
the
1718
preliminary
budget
detail
on
page
five.
Sorry
I
forgot
I,
didn't
ask
you
about
this
before
the
meeting,
but
on
you
explained
on
your
Delta
chart
through
several
you've
explained
several.
These
increases
like
the
personnel
cost
etc,
but
line
15
is
Community
and
Economic
Development
and
that's
going
from
1.2
to
8
million
this
year
to
3
million.
What
is
that?
What
is
that
Delta?
Mr.
I
Mayor
this
is
this
is
a
reclassification
called
for
by
the
auditors
through
change
of
accounting
standards.
Previously
we
had
accounted
for
Hotel
incentive
payments
as
a
reduction
of
revenue
and
they've
asked
us
to
change
that,
to
an
increase
to
an
expense
item,
so
you'll
see
a
corresponding
increase
in
revenue
and
expense.
Is
we
simply
moved
it
from
a
negative
revenue
to
an
expense
in.
F
F
I
just
didn't
there,
so
that
was
a
big
Delta,
which
was
it
explained
in
dr.
Reddy's
Delta's.
The
another
thing
that's
interesting
that
we
discussed
last
year's
recreation
administration
line,
thirty,
which
was
one
point:
four
nine
million
this
year
and
ejected
at
one
point:
five
to
six
million.
Next
year
last
year
we
had
quite
an
extensive
discussion
of
user
fees
and
we
looked
anymore
and
to
perhaps
adjusting
those
user
fees,
particularly
for
people
who
use
our
facilities,
who
don't
live
in
Palm
Springs.
F
You
know
swimming
pool
and
other
recreational
facilities
that
our
taxes
are
paying
for,
that
people
are
using
it
obviously
at
a
cost,
that's
not
covering
those
those
facilities,
or
we
look
at
that
any
more
on,
perhaps
from
increasing
some
of
those
user
fees.
Mayor.
L
That
would
be
some
direction
that
council
may
want
to
give
staff
to
do.
For,
for
this
year,
there
they've
had
a
nominal
Cola
increase
as
all
fees
have,
but
but
that
discussion
of
increasing
fees
for
non-residents
versus
residents
has
not
occurred,
but
that
certainly
could
be
direction
that
the
council
gives
us.
F
And
I
know
one
big
nut.
We
have
every
year
and
it's
been
there
for
quite
a
while,
as
the
convention
center
itself
and
it's
seven
point:
seven
million
dollars
a
year
that
it
costs
us
that's
owed
us
is
above
and
beyond
what
it
takes
in
is
revenue
and
part
of
that
five
million
dollars
a
year.
Is
debt
service?
How
many
more
years
do
we
have
on
that
debt
service?
F
I
hadn't
asked
you
this
before
doctor
ready,
but
it
I
was
just
thinking
of
it
this
morning,
and
that
is
when
I
was
at
the
Oasis
Awards
I
mean
you
know,
there's
nine
cities
and
all
these
hotels
and
all
these
things,
and
they
all
benefit
from
our
Convention
Center,
which
we're
paying
by
million
dollars
a
year
to
to
subsidized.
If
we
ever
talked
to
CVB
about,
perhaps
kicking
some
money
in
towards
the
Convention
Center,
since
it
served
it's
not
like
the
airport,
which
right,
which
is
a
revenue
neutral
and
it
basically
paying
for
itself.
F
L
K
A
Yeah
I
have
five
a
few
questions.
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
DeKalb
or
CalPERS
liability
again,
because
this
is
an
odd
theme
that
that
kind
of
rears
its
ugly
hat.
It's
it's
always
in
its
the
it's,
the
elephant
in
the
living
room
and
mayor
you
bring
it
up
somewhat
often
and
I
remember.
It
was
even
a
theme
in
the
state
of
the
city
last
year
and
I
want
us
to
I,
want
us
to
get
to
a
place
on
this,
where
it
doesn't
just
keep
coming
back
to
haunt
us.
A
What
we're
looking
at
is
something
we
can't
possibly
solve
right
now
and
dr.
Reddy.
You
know
correct
me
here
from
from
where
I
stand,
this
feels
more
like
a
mortgage
and
it's
a
mortgage
that
we're
just
not
going
to
pay
off
and
it
end-
and
it
looks
to
me,
like
we
had
a
nice
starter
rate
that
ended
and
it's
it's
increasing
in
a
pretty
intensive
way
and
there's
not
a
lot.
We
can
do
about
it.
We
either
need
to
there's
two
choices
here.
A
We
either
need
to
come
up
with
a
new
golden
goose
that
we
don't
have
or
we're
going
to
need
to
radically
cut
services
to
our
community
and
I,
don't
see
either
of
those
happening
right
now.
I
don't
see
any
magic
answer
to
this.
It's
also
seems
to
me
to
be
a
problem
that
every
city
is
dealing
with
in
one
way
or
another,
and
it's
a
city
that
could
bankrupt
many
state.
Are
that
an
issue
that
could
bankrupt
many
states?
So
it's
it's
it's
something
that
we
have
to
face.
It's
it's
it's
part
of
doing
business.
A
It's
part
of
municipal
government
governance
and
it's
part
of
paying
employees
I
want
us
to
come
to
a
place
with
this,
where
we
don't
just
keep
bringing
it
up
and
hitting
ourselves
over
the
head
with
it
until
we
have
a
plan
and
until
we
have
a
real
focus,
it
would
a
I'm
getting
lost
here
myself
in
this.
It's
just
to
me
that
we
we
bring
it
up,
but
there
isn't
a
real
solution
for
it.
A
I
mean
he's
not
going
to
be
able
to
walk
in
in
the
next
meeting
and
hand
us
a
solution,
or
he
will.
But
it's
not
going
to
be
a
solution
we,
like
so
I,
guess
what
I'm
saying
is.
We
need
to
get
to
a
comfort
level
with
this
and
an
understanding
that
we're
not
going
to
probably
solve
this
in
our
time
on
this
council
and
in
the
time
that
you
know
dr.
Reddy
is
you
know,
performing
the
miracles
that
he
performs.
A
You
know
once
again,
he
says
something
like
I'm
bringing
you
a
balanced
budget
and
it
passes
over
us
like
someone
offering
us
a
napkin.
It's
a
pretty
remarkable
thing
that
this
guy
for
what
17
solid
years
doctor
has
walked
into
this
this
room
or
rooms
that
look
like
it
with
a
balanced
budget
and
I
first
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that.
That's
how
I
actually
wanted
to
start
tonight.
It's
pretty
remarkable
what
you
and
your
staff
bring
to
us
and
we
don't
celebrate
that
enough.
A
A
So
first
I
want
to
thank
you
all
for
that,
but
I'd
like
us
as
a
council
to
get
to
some
comfort
level
about
this
CalPERS
thing
because
we're
not
there
and
it
just
sort
of
feels
like
this
knife
that
comes
out
every
now
and
then
that
takes
a
stab
at
the
staff
and
takes
a
stab
at
us
and
I'd
like
to
get
your
I'd
like
to
get
my
colleagues
thoughts
on
this
issue.
While
we're
talking
about.
F
A
F
A
It
came
up
actually
at
the
last
meeting
and
it
seems
to
come
up
as
a
reoccurring,
theme
and
Mary.
I
know
you're
passionate
about
this.
You
brought
it
up
tonight.
Yeah
you're,
right
I
did
because
it
got
brought
up
last
time
and
if
and
and
we're
sitting
here,
looking
at
it,
it's
the
slide
on
our
screen.
A
That's
why
I'm
talking
about
it,
so
you
know
either
we
need
to
come
up
with
something
we
need
to
come
up
with
a
solution
that
we
feel
good
about,
or
we
need
to
accept
that
it
is
something
that
is
going
to
roll
forward
with
our
city
and
years
and
we're
not
going
to
solve
it
here.
This
council
is
just
not
going
to
solve
this.
F
H
N
Sort
of
weigh
in
a
little
bit
on
that
because
I
think
there's
some
we
may
understand
it.
I,
don't
know
that
the
public
always
does.
But
you
know
our
total
live
attention.
Liability
for
future
retirees,
current
retirees,
if
I
have
the
number
right
and
correct
me
Jeff-
is
about
four
hundred
and
forty
something
million
dollars.
That's
correct
right
and
about
three
hundred
and
ten
under
the
current
market,
conditions
is
funded.
That's
correct!.
I
N
N
N
Sort
of
you
know
we
know
we're
going
to
have
salaries
in
30
or
40
years.
We're
not
putting
that
away
right
now.
Either
I
mean
it's
correct,
so
I
mean
these
are
sort
of
future
costs
and
if
we're
going
to
pay
down
5
or
10
million,
which
would
be
the
minimum
to
start
putting
a
dent
in
that
portion,
I
mean
I
can't
envision
how
wouldn't
wreak
havoc
on
our
economy.
N
It
would
cut
services
for
our
city
so
to
me
that,
just
in
answering
that
question
is
yeah,
it's
there,
but
it's
something
we
deal
with
by
paying
it
off
every
year
and
I.
Don't
think
we
would
want
to
do
the
damage
to
our
economy,
which
would
actually
have
the
opposite
impact
we'd
like
to
have
by
paying
cutting
10
million
dollars
out
of
this
budget
I,
you.
I
I
K
A
Comes
to
us,
as
you
know,
jumping
from
thirteen
million
to
twenty
six.
You
know
in
the
reality
is
we
do
have
it
under
control
to
as
much
as
we
can
I
guess.
The
point
that
I
want
us
to
be
clear
about.
Is
we're
not
going
to
pay
this
off?
There's
no
way
to
do
that.
There's
no
way
to
get
completely
ahead
of
it,
but
we
are
doing
what
we
need
to
do
every
year
to
move
it
forward
and
intend
to
keep
it
paid
properly.
A
H
F
Don't
know
if
I
did
I'd,
probably
be
a
city
manager
make
a
hell
of
a
lot
more
money.
I
I,
don't
know
how
that
unfunded
portion
is
I'm.
Just
saying
my
concern
right
now,
my
immediate
concern
is
to
make
sure
we
make
allowances
to
pay
the
increase
in
the
annual
portion,
which
has
to
be
paid
to
I
do
first,
we.
N
I
Some
of
this
goes
back
to
the
90s
when,
in
the
mid
90s
when
and
the
whole
dot-com
thing
was
going
crazy
with
the
stock
market
and
CalPERS
was
earning
money
hand-over-fist
in
the
market
and
their
actuaries
predicted
that
these
increases
would
continue
and
their
actuaries
went
to
school
districts
and
cities
and
counties
and
say
you're
not
going
to
have
to
pay
anything
this
next
couple
of
years.
But
that
was
the
beginning
in
my
mind,
of
the
problem
that
we
are
living
with
a
quarter
of
a
century
later
and
I.
H
H
But
it's
a
it's
not
a
practical
idea
to
do
that,
because
during
the
the
financial
downturn
there
was
a
movement
to
withdraw
from
CalPERS
and
for
cities
to
withdraw
from
CalPERS
because
they
felt
that
it
was
being
so
mismanaged
and
it
was
a
big
change
in
overhaul
and
who
managed
CalPERS
and
who
was
on
the
board
and
so
on
and
so
quit.
But
I
haven't
seen
any
significant
change.
Even
after
that,
you.
I
N
F
I
That
has
been
part
of
the
transparency
movement
that
spread
throughout
the
country
and
the
accounting
community
of
CPAs
have
gotten
involved
and
they've
made
the
rule
change.
That
said,
starting
this
last
year,
you
needed
to
put
these
liabilities
on
your
books
in
the
form
of
your
annual
audit
report
and
that's
what
we
started
doing
so.
As
councilman
Roberts
mentioned
a
lot
of
cities
on
paper
went
bankrupt
this
first
year.
I
N
I
mean
so
I
mean
from
my
perspective
and
following
up,
you
know
on
what
was
said.
I
think
the
unfunded
pension
liability
is
something
we're
not
in
a
position.
We
don't
have
the
extra
money
sitting
around
that
we
can
start
paying
it
down,
but
what
we
need
to
do
is
figure
out.
You
know
a
year
from
now
we're
going
to
need
three
million
more
to
pay
CalPERS.
N
You
know
in
six
years,
fourteen
million
more
as
we're
looking
at
this
budget,
and
we
either
have
to
think
about
how
we're
going
to
raise
revenue
and
no
one
wants
to
talk
about
some
of
those
things
or
what
we're
going
to
cut,
and
no
one
wants
to
talk
about
those
things,
but
the
reality
is
our
normal
prove.
Minh
tup
in
revenue
is
not
going
to
come
close
to
covering
this.
So
that's
what
we
at
the
very
least
we
need
to
deal
with
this
and
kicking
account
down
the
camp.
N
N
I
think
what
you
brought
up
doesn't
include
other
costs.
We
know
we're
going
to
have
as
well
right.
You
know,
potentially
three
million
in
public
safety
related
costs
estimated
from
the
tribes
plan
if
they
build
it
fully
and
that's
impact
on
our
t
OT.
So
those
are
the
hard
kind
of
decisions
we
don't
like
making,
but
I
think
we
need
to
start
talking
about,
but.
A
A
If
we
take
it
seriously
now
we're
going
to
have
a
very
different
budget
discussion,
aren't
we
because
we're
going
to
be
looking
for
three
million
dollars
that
we
don't
see
here
yet
that
we're
not
considering
if
we're
going
to
actually
try
to
start
it
to
stay
in
pace
with
these
increases?
So
you
know
I,
guess
my
question
to
me
until
you
is
do
we
want
to?
We
want
to
deal
with
start
dealing
with
this
right
now
or
do
we
want
to
wait
well.
F
F
This
I'm
talking
about
the
entire
revenue
versus
versus
cost
because
they're
the
gap,
but
what
I'd
like
to
what
I'm
interested
to
see
is
is
right
now
we're
balanced.
But
are
we
what
we
have
to
do
to
balance
in
the
next
few
years
to
keep
that
that
that
revenue
in
line
either
up
like
Jeff,
said
to
to
the
cost
or
get
the
cost
line
down
to
the
revenue
where.
L
The
driver
is
the
biggest
impediment
to
doing
that.
Actually,
then,
certainly
we
can
give
you
an
estimate,
but
the
biggest
impediment
to
that
will
be
the
single
largest
expense.
That's
going
to
be
is
what
you
do
with
the
labor
negotiations
next
year.
If
you
did
even
a
cost-of-living,
you
know
that's
going
to
be
X.
If
you
did
other
things
it's
you
know
it
could
be
a
vastly
different
range
of
millions
of
dollars.
L
L
L
Yes,
and
that
and
I
would
say
that
also
that
will
also
affect
that
number.
What
happens
in
in
the
pension,
because,
as
salaries
go
up,
that
number
goes
up.
So,
even
if
you
do
a
very
basic
Cola,
you
know
probably
will
you
know
it?
Will
you
do
it
with
a
basic
Cola
and
do
a
five-year
projection
that
way?
That
might
be
a
reasonable
way
to
do
it,
which.
F
A
H
K
I
K
I
K
You
know
in
a
lot
of
areas,
so
I
think
I
hope
that
the
council
will
keep
coming
and
open
mind
in
that,
because
we
do
have
issues
that
need
to
be
dealt
with
and
I
just
want
to
point
that
out
because,
as
you
know
and
as
Jeff
knows,
I'm
I
think
that's.
That
amount
of
reserve
is
for
what
you
give
up
to
get
that
I.
K
K
That's
page
four
look
at
look
at
where
we
we've
ended
up
and
I
know
we
had
we
adopted
reserves
in
the
adopted
budget
where
were
substantially
less
than
what
it
ended
up
being
at
the
end
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
I.
Think
so
that's
not
I'm,
not
saying
it's
wasted
money,
I'm,
just
thinking.
We
need
to
put
that
money
to
work
and
stop
voiding
some
projects
that
we've
been
avoiding
for
years
and
years,
I'm,
I'm
and
sitting
here
for
16
years
I'm,
seeing
some
of
the
same
items
on
there.
N
I
will,
of
course,
keep
an
open
mind,
but
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
increasing
the
reserve
does
is
it
addresses
the
fact
that,
unlike
in
prior
years,
we're
having
this
more
than
doubling
of
our
annual
pension
costs
and
we
need
14
million
dollars
more
annually
and
if
we
spend
down
our
reserves,
we're
sort
of
setting
ourselves
up
for
really
drastic
cuts.
Potentially
so
I
think
we
have
to
balance
those,
and
you
know
Geoff.
Maybe
you
could
weigh
and
I
know
some
cities.
N
Municipalities
are
sort
of
taking
some
of
their
reserves
and
putting
them
in
like
a
trust
fund.
Lockbox
for
pension
in
my
reading
on
this
and
I've
tried
to
do
a
decent
amount,
but
I
will
defer
to
your
expertise
on
this.
It
seems
a
better
thing
to
do
is
to
have
that
in
your
reserves,
because
in
case
of
crisis,
you
have
some
flexibility
to
do
things
to
jumpstart
the
economy,
sort
of
which
former
council
did
during
the
recession.
That
really
had
an
impact,
and
so
I'd
rather
keep
it
in
reserves.
N
J
I
With
you
I
mean
you,
you
can
take
dollars
and
put
it
in
one
of
these
special
trusts.
It
can
be
invested
more
aggressively
in
that
trust.
There's
nothing
to
stop
us
from
doing
that
on
our
own.
Not
that
I
recommend
that.
But
you
are
absolutely
right
once
you
put
money
into
a
trust,
it
can
only
be
spent
on
one
thing
and
that's
the
for
the
purpose
of
that
trust.
So
you
do
lose
financial
flexibility.
A
Just
agree,
philosophically
that
high
reserves
are
a
good
thing
and
they're
good
for
many
purposes,
but
at
this
point
it
is
our
one
opportunity
to
potentially
start
to
taking
a
whack
at
the
CalPERS
issue,
and
that's
it
that's
it.
The
most
generous
level,
we've
all
lived
or
most
of
us
have
lived
through
these
economic
downturns
that
can
hit
our
city
really
hard
on
many
levels
and
if
we
think
that
things
fall
through
the
cracks
right
now
with
respect
to
capital
improvements
in
the
next
downswing
watch,
what
happens?
I
think
we're.
A
That's
able
to
to
find
and
move
this
money
for
us
properly
and,
at
the
same
time
we're
maintaining
a
reserve
and
I
and
I
think
the
best
gift
we
can
leave
a
future
generation
for
Palm,
Springs
or
even
the
next
council
cycle
is
reserves,
and
it
is
a
kiss
that
we
can
blow
forward
on
some
of
these
nightmares.
That
they'll
face
particularly
with
CalPERS,
you
know,
dr.
Reddy
and
I
have
discussed
this
level
of
reserves,
and
you
know
he
comes
from
the
place.
I
would
expect
which
is
well.
A
We
can
cheer
solve
a
lot
of
these
problems
if
we
don't
have
to
have
these
reserves
at
this
level,
but
I
think
that
the
problems
that
we're
dealing
with
right
now
now
the
issues
that
we're
looking
at
funding
are
important,
but
we're
sitting
already
with
a
balanced
budget.
So
we're
really
still
talking
about
the
extras
at
this
point
and
anyway,
I
guess
that's
a
long
way
of
saying
I
support
us,
maintaining
these
higher
reserves
that
that
we've
been
able
to
find
and
hold
on
to
Mayor
Burton
yeah.
H
H
The
the
the
the
tourism
has
a
short
full
of
two
million
dollars
or
any
other
shortfalls
I
by
the
way.
I,
don't
believe
the
animal
shelter
should
be
on
that
list,
because
I
think
that's
a
no.
It
is
a
service
and
just
like
I,
don't
think
the
fire
department
or
the
police
department,
or
anything
like
that,
should
be
on
that
list.
It's
a
service
that
this
city
has
to
provide.
H
They're
not
no,
but
those
the
rest.
Those
things
are
not
on
here.
So
so
that's
all
I'm
saying
is
that's
a
necessary
service.
If
we
weren't
doing
it,
if
you
look
down
below
you'll
see
we
because
that's
close
to
a
million
dollars
anyway,
if
we
were
sending
it
out
to
the
county
and
we
wouldn't
be
getting
nearly
half
the
service
and
so
so
I'm
looking
at
just
the
rest
of
those
things
and
thinking,
okay,
we're
a
million
dollars
short
on.
H
Let's
start
with
the
first
one,
which
is
the
golf
course
and
all
I'm
saying,
is
we're
in
in
in
what
I
do
budgeting
for
my
organization,
I,
look
at
my
cost
centers
and
I.
Looked
at
and
I
look
at.
How
can
I
make
them
more
profitable
because
cost
centers
does
not
mean
they
should
cost
your
money.
It
means
that
it's
just
a
way
of
budgeting
of
income
and
expense
into
certain
categories,
and
so,
if
we
we've
never
I,
don't
think
we've
ever
had.
Maybe
we've
looked
at
him
individually.
I
know.
At
one
point
we
did.
H
We
had
the
Golf
Course,
a
subcommittee
that
looked
at
how
you
know
we
could
improve
that
and
went
from
us
being
in
the
hole,
I
think
$700
and
maybe
mr.
bills
is
going
to
correct
me
on
this
too.
Now
we're
in
the
hole
a
million
over
a
million
dollars.
So
we,
if
we
we
look
at
some
of
the
things
in
the
library.
Why
are
we
short
four
hundred
and
ninety
eight
thousand
dollars?
H
You
know
I
mean
in
tourism
and
the
Visitor
Center,
and
all
of
that,
how
do
we
increase
and
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
buzz,
because
we've
got
the
buzz
that
has
an
eight
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollar
shortfall.
Okay,
how
do
we
increase
that
and,
like
the
subcommittee
did
say
they
can
come
up
with
some
advertising
things
I
at
one
point
thought
that
we
should
be
charging
a
buck
to
get
on
the
bus.
H
You
know
and
and
and
I
I-
think
that
that's
also
a
way
for
us
to
look
at
in
a
way
that
their
business
in
business
people
look
at
is
when
something
is
a
shortfall
you
figure
out
either
how
to
eliminate
you
eliminate
it
if
it
was
not
providing
an
essential
thing
or
you
figure
out.
How
do
you
increase
the
revenue
so
that
you
reduce
the
cost,
the
shortfall
and
I?
Don't
think,
we've
ever
looked
at
all
of
these
to
see.
H
If
they're,
you
know
done
an
analysis
of
what
we
could
possibly
do
to
do
that
we
just
think
we
just
accept
the
fact
that
the
skateparks
gonna
questions
one
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollars.
So
why
wouldn't
we
figure
out
how
it's
not
going
to
cost
this
one
hundred
and
sixty
thousand,
rather
than
accept
it,
and
so
I
mean
that's
something
I'd
like
for
us
to
look
at
and
and
theorize
about
how?
How
do
how
do
we
reduce
some
of
them.
F
A
H
L
That
was
part
of
the
issue
of
the
flood,
and
then
you
obviously
lost
some
revenue,
significant
revenue
then
as
well.
So
it's
luxury
used
to
be
about
3
million,
but
we've
gotten
that
down
significantly
now
that
the
that
contract
is
coming
due
and
on
your
agenda
next
week
is
a
request
for
a
subcommittee.
So
we
can
start
having
some
discussions
on
renewal
or
go
out
to
bid
or
what
we
want
to
what
it
do
in
terms
of
the
golf
course.
A
N
Reddy
in
you
know
and
I
appreciate
having
this,
because
you
know,
in
my
view,
we
shouldn't
be
subsidizing
recreation
for
non
Palm,
Springs
residents,
maybe
people
who
work
in
Palm
Springs
because
they
need.
You
know
if
we're
going
to
run
childcare
programs,
which
I
think
is
a
separate
conversation.
I'd
love
your
opinion
on
and
liability
to
that
and
whether
we
should
be
doing
that.
But
you
know
what
what
fees
can
adjust.
N
You
know
by
giving
discounts
or
free
things
for
Palm
Springs
residents
to
me
it's
very
different
than
having
them
free
to
anyone
who
wants
to
use
them
and
so
I
think
looking
at
some
of
those
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
So
there
are
things
in
your
experience
that
we
should
be
looking
at
and
what
direction
do
you
need
from
us
because
I
think
that
sure
we
can
all
talk
about
it,
but
if
we
don't
tell
you
any
direction,
it
doesn't
help.
You
bring
something
back
to
us.
What.
L
I
would
say
you
know,
budgeting
is
always
sort
of
aligning.
You
know,
what's
what's
required
of
cities
to
do
versus
what's
expected
and
we
have
a
big
gap
between
required
and
expected,
which
is
okay,
because
we're
really
a
full-service
city.
So
what
I
can
do
the
fees
as
we
can
create
a
menu
from
a
solutions
perspective,
create
sort
of
a
menu
of
fee
increases
and
bring
that
for
you
to
consider,
and
that
can
be
part
part
of
the
continued
budget
discussion.
I.
A
Also
believe
that
councilman
Coors
makes
a
compelling
argument
about
those
using
our
services
that
don't
live
here
and
if
we
can
do
an
analysis
on
that,
and
if
we
even
have
the
numbers
of
this
of
who's
using
these
services.
And
if
there
is
a
well
of
money
there
that
could
help
offset
the
costs.
Well,.
L
You
know
the
other.
The
other
area
you
may
want
to
consider
is
obviously
a
significant
amount
that
you
give
away
to
in
grants
and
sponsorships
I
mean
you
could
start
there
and
save
probably
three-quarters
of
a
million
dollars
a
year
are
right,
there
I
mean
so
when
you
just
want
to
start
talking
about
what's
required
and
what's
what's
discretionary
I
mean
that
is
probably
your
largest
pot
of
discretionary
dollars
that
you
could
take
a
look
at
this
grants
and
sponsorships
almost.
H
You
know
you
know,
I,
think
if
you
look
at
what
council
member
Mills
talked
about
and
I'll
just
look
at
the
plaza
theater.
The
plaza
theater
is
something
that
could
be
a
major
moneymaker
for
us
and
by
spending
the
money
to
to
renovate
that
facility
and
then
being
able
to
use
it
as
an
income
source
or
finding
somebody
to
do
that.
But
instead
is
costing
us
twenty
six
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
that's
I'm.
Assuming
for
security
services,
maintenance.
H
N
You
know
I,
think
I,
think
the
city
manager's
interviewing
or
getting
close
to
interview
and
the
new
fundraising
director
position
and
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunities.
You
know
mayor
tempo
on
those
things
you
know
there
are
naming
rights,
there's
more
grants,
they're
sponsorships,
that
that
position
can
really
go
after.
So
we
can't
count
on
that,
but
we
can
be
hopeful.
I
did
want
to
ask
one
other
question,
and
this
is
probably
of
Jeff
when
when
Eddie's
done,
excuse
me
Jeff.
If
you
know,
none
of
us
want
to
ever
make
cuts
right.
N
That's
given
and
we'd
like
to
provide
more
services,
there's
lots
of
infrastructure
and
other
things
we
like
to
do.
We
had
a
little
talk
about
this,
but
not
really
flushed
out
that
much
is
revenue
generation
right
and
you
know
we
have
some
real
potential
as
we
move
forward
with.
You
know
the
expansion
of
cannabis,
manufacturer
and
cultivation,
and
we
probably
need
to
be
looking
at.
You
know
a
measure
for
the
ballot
on
that
you
share
some
other
ideas
that
council
might
want
to
be
talking
about
on
revenue
generation.
Is
that
appropriate?
At
this
point,
dr.
H
Revision
as
a
subcommittee
for
the
cannabis
subcommittee,
we
are
going
to
have
to
play
something
on
the
ballot
regarding
the
tax
for
because
we're
we're
going
to
be
after
2018
at
the
beginning
of
2018.
We're
going
to
have
some
real
responsibility
in
in
collecting
our
tax
for
cultivation
and
manufacturing
and
all
the
things
that
come
with
the
legalization
of
Annabeth's
in
the
state
and
so
that
the
subcommittee
is
already
talking
about
that.
But
there
should
be
other
areas
besides.
Just
that,
and
besides
just
the
regular
areas
of
increasing
the
fees
right.
N
So
I
mean
you
know
in
one
area:
that's
just
been
just
you
mentioned
with
sales
tax
right
and
don't
really
understand
this-
that
well,
but
there's
sort
of
a
cap
or
how
much
it
could
be,
and
if
the
county
comes
in
for
sales
tax
increase,
they
could
get
it
or
if
we
don't
have
it
does
that
how
it
works.
Or
how
exactly
does
that
work?
There's.
I
N
N
A
It
seems
to
me
that
we
need
a
combination,
we
might
know
others
there,
potentially
some
areas
for
cuts,
and
you
know
in
politically
it's
very
difficult
to
do
cuts
and
things
when
we're
doing
so
well
in
the
economy
and
that's
much
harder
politically.
But
you
know,
as
we
can
as
we
continue
to
provide
this
astonishing
level
of
services
that
we
do
provide.
We
really
should
be
looking
at
cuts
as
well,
and
there
just
are
some
areas
of
it
and
as
well
as
some
new
revenue
sources.
So
you
know
we
cut.
H
But
it
you
know,
I
think
in
and
I'm
a
firm
believer
when
you
go
when
you
want
to
do
a
budget,
you
don't
look
down
first
at
what
to
cut.
You
look
first
and
spend
a
great
deal
of
effort
on
what
to
increase
and
and
when
you
look
at
what
you
have
to
increase
because
there's
there's
not
a
lot
of
fat
in
our
budget,
I
mean
our
police,
our
fire
or
our
staff.
They're,
not.
You
know
getting
rich
working
for
the
city
of
Palm,
Springs
and
and
so
and
we're
not.
H
You
know
we
don't
have
any
lavish
things
that
we
do
as
a
city,
and
so
you
know
I
think
that
when
we
had
to
cut
that
budget,
12
million
dollars
and
or
14
million
whatever
it
was
in
2008,
seven
eight
or
whenever
that
we
had
I
mean
it
was
tiered
time
because
it
was
we
were
cutting.
We
were
changing
people's
lives.
We
were
cutting
things
that
that
were
were
horrible
because
there
wasn't
enough
fat
to
cut.
We,
we
couldn't
cut
the
free
meals
for
all
citizens
in
the
city
program.
You
know
we
can
hey.
H
You
know
we
didn't.
Have
those
kinds
of
you
know
champagne,
for
every
person
at
Christmastime
or
whatever
we
didn't
have
any
of
those?
You
know
any
great
programs
to
cut
so
so
I
really
want
to
emphasize
to
everybody
that
we
really
need
to
look
at
the
increase
side
of
the
budget
as
strongly
as
we
look
at
the
at
the
where
we
we
could
be
more
conservative,
I'd.
N
Say
and
most
of
the
things
we
talked
about,
our
increase
in
fees
increase
in
revenue
right
right,
I,
haven't
heard.
Anyone
suggest
cutting
anything
yet
there's
been
some
discussion
of
is
the
buzz
of
worthwhile
expense
to
get
some
more
input
on
which
we
will,
but
for
the
most
part
right,
we
don't
want
to
make
cuts
if
we
can
avoid
them,
but
we
we
want
to
also
avoid
the
situation
you
were
faced
with
in
2008,
where
you
have
all
this
major
cuts.
F
There's
also
trade-offs,
I
mean
we
may
have
have
discussed
whether
we
to
do
this.
We
want
to
get
rid
of
this
I
mean
and
council
mayor
pro-tem
talked
about
the
plaza
theater
I
mean
we
have
to
look.
If
we
did
do
it,
the
buzz
would
that
help
fund
getting
the
plaza
theater
open?
Would
that
be
a
better
economic
driver
than
the
buzz
I
mean
those
are
kind
of
things
we
have
to
look
at
well.
A
You
know
it's
funny
that
we're
talking
about
the
plaza
theater,
so
you
know
councilman,
Mills
and
I
have
that
a
subcommittee
and
I've
actually
spent
some
time
on
that
recently
with
a
new
subcommittee,
that's
been
made
up
from
the
HSB
be,
and
you
know
I
tend
to
believe
because
I've
seen
it
and
been
a
part
of
it
in
the
past,
things
like
that
could
potentially
come
from
private,
fundraising
and
separate
sponsorships.
So
you
know
I'm
keeping
my
mind
open
to
that.
I
I
also,
frankly,
see
something
like
the
plaza.
A
Theater
is
very
well
priority
when
we're
having
to
deal
with
homeless
problems
and
issues
like
that
and
fund
some
very
seriously
needed
things.
I
see
the
plaza
theater.
Is
it
sort
of
falls
to
the
bottom,
but
I'm
not
going
to?
Let
it
go
it.
You
know,
Councilwoman
foe,
does
the
plaza
theater
have
the
potential
to
make
a
lot
of
money?
Well,
maybe,
but
that's
after
the
five
to
ten
million
dollars,
it's
going
to
take
to
make
it
usable
again
and.
H
I
would
go
to
say
to
you
the
Staples
Center,
which
is
has
a
name
on
it
called
the
Staples
Center
didn't
have
a
lot
of
potential
either,
but
Staples
put
in
the
kind
of
money
that
it
took
to
do
that,
and
so
that's
all
I'm
saying
is.
We
need
to
I'm
not
saying
that
the
plaza
theater
would
make
a
million
dollars
a
day,
but
what
I'm
saying
is
that
it
is.
It
is
a
potential
moneymaker
rather
than
a
potential
money
drain.
I
see
it,
you
know,
and
would
it
make
a
dollar
I,
don't
know
well.
A
But
but
again
to
get
your
right
we're
spending
fifty
six
thousand
dollars
on
a
basically
with
the
surplus
building,
but
in
order
to
know,
spend
fifty
six
thousand
dollars.
We
have
to
spend
about
five,
four
plus
and
and
I
believe,
I
million
or
plus,
but
I
think
that
you're
right
I
mean
there
are
lots
of
opportunities
that
we're
going
to
look
at
and
again
I
have
I.
Have
my
own
experience
doing
that
I
love
that
you
use
the
staples.
You
know
what
is
that
a
how
many
seat
theater
no.
A
F
Yeah
but
I
think
you
missed
my
point.
My
point
wasn't
I
wasn't
saying
we
shouldn't
building
I,
wasn't
saying
we
should
do
away
with
the
buzz
and
do
the
plaza.
I
was
saying:
that's
an
example
of
trade
offs.
We
may
have
to
make
because
some
things
maybe
have
to
cut
and
some
things
we
want
to
increase
yeah.
It's
all
trade
offs
could.
H
D
D
D
M
F
Next
item
public
comments:
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
City
Council
on
measure.
J
Commission
well,
they're
all
gar
gone
on,
but
on
this
agenda
item
only
which
is
the
budget
two
minutes
will
be
assigned
for
each
speaker
and
how
are
we
going
to
do
the
counting
on
this?
The
time.
A
F
D
C
F
M
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
for
the
bike
paths.
As
you
can
see,
it
does
have
a
real
impact.
So
thank
you
for
the
money
from
the
budget
that
you
guys
have
committed
to
that
and
are
continuing
to
do.
That.
I
would
like
to
ask
that
you
do
consider
approving
the
police
request
for
some
more
downtown
officers
for
daytime.
M
Well,
it's
huge
at
night,
it's
even
worse
during
the
day
is
when
we
have
most
of
the
problems
when
we
have
to
call
for
assistance
for
the
officers
to
come
and
and
do
something
and
I
think
that
having
some
presence
down
there
from
them
during
the
daytime
would
make
our
tourists
feel
a
little
bit
safer
and
just
because
I
could
see
somebody
and
the
response
time
would
be
quicker.
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
where
the
money
goes
for
all
the
parking
tickets.
M
C
Hi,
my
name
is
Debbie
Alexander
I
have
Peabody's,
cafe
downtown
right
next
to
the
Plaza,
theater
and
I
just
want
to
talk
on.
You
know:
protecting
tourists,
protecting
tourism
and,
in
essence,
that's
also
protecting
the
tax
revenue.
I
have
my
place
for
23
years
I'm.
What
I
want
to
talk
about
is,
you
know,
I'm
we
open
at
6:00
a.m.
we
close,
sometimes
at
1:00
a.m.
we're
sort
of
the
canary
in
the
cave
down
there
we
sort
of
see
what's
happening
and
what
I
want
to
tell
you
about
the
temperature
downtown.
C
Is
that
you
know,
if
you
imagine
a
graph,
you
know
we're
increasing
the
shops
are
going
to
the
Kimpton.
We're
going
to
have
all
these
shops
downtown
we're
going
to
increase
the
amount
of
people
downtown.
We
need
to
be
increasing
the
the
police
coverage
and
right
now,
just
you
know
an
example.
Today
we
had
someone
washing
themselves
in
the
Sonny
Bono
pool
there
tomorrow
I'm
getting
a
restraining
order
set
up
against
a
panhandle
where
it's
been
harassing
me
and
my
staff
for
about
three
years.
C
C
If
there's
an
earthquake
in
Joshua
Tree,
it's
a
palm
tree,
Palm
Springs
earthquake,
if
you
have
one
incident,
happened,
downtown
it's
going
to
directly
affect
your
tourism
and
it's
going
to
affect
your
your
tax
revenue.
So
if
you
want
to
say
that
this
is
like
a
what
do
you
call
it?
A
soft
I
like
that,
you
know
if
you
can
increase
the
amount
of
cops
down
there,
you're
going
to
be
able
to
keep
your
revenue
coming
in.
C
F
G
Mr.
mayor
City
Council
a
couple
of
broad
comments
regarding
the
budget
and
then
a
couple
of
very
specific
ones.
Our
goal
is
to
have
a
ten
to
twenty
percent
reserve.
It
is
just
simple
logic
that
in
years
where
our
economy
is
booming,
we
should
be
closer
to
the
twenty
percent
level
and
closer
to
the
ten
percent
in
years
when
we
are
in
a
distressed
economy,
so
I
congratulate
City
Council
on
staying
close
to
the
twenty
percent
reserve
level.
G
Secondly,
there
was
a
lot
of
conversation
regarding
pension
reform
and
pension
issues,
and
I
could
not
agree
more
with
director
keel
with
his
comment
that
it
was
mistakes
made
in
Sacramento
25
years
ago
that
we
are
paying
for
today.
We
will
continue
to
pay
for
those
mistakes,
but
we
also
had
in
2013
the
California
Pension
Reform
Act
and,
as
our
workforce
becomes
increasingly
employees
hired
after
2013,
we
will
find
that
our
costs
are
going
to
begin
to
go
down.
G
We
have
a
issue
to
deal
with
that
we'll
have
to
deal
with
over
the
next
decade,
but
increasingly
in
the
future,
there
is
relief
on
the
horizon.
Lastly,
one
PS,
which
I
used
to
be
the
chair
of
worked
very
very
hard
on
issues
related
to
pedestrian
bike
and
traffic
safety.
That's
where
the
origin
of
the
community
projects
came
from
I
continue
to
be
very
strongly
supportive
of
the
actions
that
measure
J
took
on
those
community
projects
and
on
the
three
million
dollars
they're
dedicated
for
street
repairs.
Thank
you.