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I
call
to
order
the
November
29th
2018
special
meeting
of
the
Palm
Springs
City
Council.
Would
everyone
please
rise
for
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance?
Please
place
your
hand
over
your
heart
and
repeat
with
me:
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
United
States
of
America
and
to
the
Republic
for
which
it
stands.
One
nation
under
God
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice.
For
all.
Thank
you.
You
may
be
city
seated
city
clerk.
Would
you
do
a
roll
call,
please
councilmember,
holstege
comfort,.
B
A
C
Last
night
we
had
a
closed
session
that
continued
after
the
meeting
mr.
mayor,
and
we
did
report
out
after
that
closed
session,
that
during
that
closed
session,
we
had
the
opportunity
to
review
several
additional
agenda
items
with
no
reportable
action.
We
continued
our
closed
session.
As
we
said
we
would
at
five
o'clock
this
evening
and
in
the
course
of
that
closed
session,
there
was
some
reportable
action.
The
first
thing
that
I
will
report
is
that
one
of
the
items
upon
which
we're
reporting
was
added
as
a
late
item
to
the
agenda.
C
It
was
added
because
scooters
showed
up
in
Palm
Springs
less
than
72
hours
before
the
posting
of
the
agenda
and
the
law
allows
the
council,
if
there's
an
urgent
matter,
to
add
that
item
to
the
agenda,
the
council
made
a
500
finding
that
it
was
urgent
and
that
it
came
to
the
attention
of
the
city
within
that
requisite
time
frame.
So
the
council
did
take
action
with
respect
to
bird
scooters
and
I'm
going
to
read
the
council's
statement.
C
If
bird
scooters
fails
to
comply,
the
city
manager
has
been
directed
by
Council
to
confiscate
and
store
the
scooters
as
expeditiously
as
possible
under
the
city's
existing
ordinances.
That
concludes
my
report
on
that
matter.
The
City
Council
did
discuss
Robo
lights
last
night
and
did
conclude
its
closed
session.
Consideration
of
a
draft
Robo
lights
settlement
in
closed
session
this
evening.
That
settlement
is
at
this
point
executed
by
the
other
parties.
It
will
be
executed
by
the
city,
I
trust
tomorrow.
It
is
now
a
matter
of
public
record.
C
There
have
been
some
reports
and
discussion
in
the
news,
but
the
substance
on
a
big
on
a
big
item
level
is
that
Robo
lights
obviously
is
happening
this
year.
Pursuant
to
certain
terms
and
conditions
of
a
permit
that
are
part
of
the
settlement
and
Robo
lights
event,
the
holiday
event
that
the
city
has
grown
accustomed
to
through
the
past
several
years
will
no
longer
be
taking
place
on
gran
vía
valmont
day,
as
it
has
at
any
point
in
time.
C
C
The
city
is
helping
to
fund
the
relocation
of
Robo
lights
and
that
funding
is
in
the
amount
of
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
thousand
dollars
which
will
be
payable
to
mr.
Erwin
and
the
trust
that
owned
the
property
within
ten
days
of
execution
of
the
settlement,
and
there
will
be
account
ability
regarding
that
money
that
hundred
twenty-five
thousand
dollars.
The
city's
requirement
that
Robo
lights
no
longer
be
at
that
location
is
enforced
by
significant
liquidated
damages
provisions
and
the
capacity
of
the
trust
and
mr.
C
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C
A
Available
to
make
a
point
that
it
is
public
yes,
sir
okay
and
dr.
Reddy,
you
will
be
putting
out
a
press
release
on
this.
Okay,
so
give
that's
our
transmit
if
it
gets
all
the
information
out
there
to
people
on
this
subject.
Okay,
thank
you.
Mr.
Cochran
next
item
is
public
hearings
provide
direction
regarding
draft
maps
for
voting
district
boundaries
for
a
city
council
district
based
electoral
system
pursuant
to
election
codes,
section
one:
zero:
zero
one:
zero
before
I
open
this
to
public
comments.
A
I
want
to
give
a
couple
of
directions
here
before
our
meeting
started
this
evening,
I
received,
we
all
received
some
copies
of
some
testimony
that
people
intend
to
give
this
evening,
I'd
like
to
point
out
tonight
that
this
public
hearing
is
strictly
on
the
draft.
The
regarding
draft
maps
for
voting
district
boundaries,
no
other
subject
related
to
the
CVRA
is
allowed
to
be
discussed
under
the
rules
of
our
meeting
procedures.
We
will
be
having
a
meeting
the
final
meeting
to
pass.
The
ordinance
will
be
on
December
19th.
A
That
meeting
will
definitely
be
taking
place
at
that
time.
Anything
is
open
for
discussion,
anything
regarding
or
districts.
Five
districts,
the
election
of
the
mayor,
the
the
anything
people
want
to
discuss
that
evening
can
be
discussed.
All
we
will
be
having
one
additional
meeting
on
the
entire
CVRA
prior
to
the
19th
may
be
the
tenth
we're
going
to
be
discussing
schedules
tonight
before
this
meeting
is
over.
People
will
know
when
that
other
meeting
is
so.
A
There
will
be
two
meetings
where
people
have
the
opportunity
to
say
anything
they
want
about
what
we've
been
doing
on
the
CV
California
Voting
Rights
Act.
However,
tonight
is
a
very
limited
agenda.
Only
on
selecting
a
map
and
I
know
people
are
very
passionate
about
this
and
they
have
a
lot
of
things
they
want
to
say.
However,
I
will
be
very
strict
and
if
anyone
goes
off
of
that
subject,
I
will
ask
you
to
stop
and
to
sit
down.
So
only
discussions
on
the
maps
we're
discussing
tonight
will
be
allowed.
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My
fellow
colleagues
are
not
here
tonight
because
I'm
missing
two
big
holiday
parties
to
be
here,
but
we
felt
it
was
very
important
to
come
and
give
our
concerns
because
councilmember
Middleton,
councilmember
Coors
came
to
our
meeting.
Yesterday
we
had
over
a
hundred
realtors
in
attendance
and
at
the
end
we
voted
on
the
map
that
we
thought
would
be
the
best
one,
and
that
is
the
Middleton
test.
Six
bd2
/d
three
swap
and
one
of
the
main
reasons
that
we
like
this
map
was
because
it
had
split
compared
to
the
other
one.
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Five,
the
bottom
one
into
four
and
five
and
I
know
it's
not
up
on
the
screen.
I
have
it
here,
but
that
was
our
feeling
and
I
would
on
behalf
of
my
fellow
Realtors,
I
would
like
to
say
that
we
would
like
to
see
this
one
adopted
the
next
election
and
I
know
there
are
concerns
about
incumbents,
but
you
know
none
of
you
were
incumbents
and
you
all
got
elected.
You
know.
So,
hey
it's
not
that
big
of
a
deal.
So
thank
you
very
much
and
did
I
stray
off
the
message.
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D
Franklin
and
the
Realtors
Association
and
supporting
Middleton
Test
map6,
be
it
does
exactly
what
I
requested
in
my
public
comment
at
your
November
15
meeting,
the
email
I
sent
the
city
clerk
the
next
day
and
councilmember
holstege
last
week,
which
are
in
the
public
record
by
combining
the
best
features
of
mr.
Crawford's
map
for
districts,
one
two
three
and
the
Middleton
test:
five
map
for
districts,
four
and
five.
D
This
boundary
is
in
many
of
the
maps
that
I
and
other
community
members
submitted
in
response
to
the
request
for
community
input
and
thus
reflects
our
own
views
of
community
interest.
It
is
also
in
three
of
the
four
maps
recommended
by
the
CVR,
a
working
group
and
seven
of
the
eight
nd
see
maps
your
own
demographer
on
the
city's
districting
page.
It
is
stated
that
the
city's
desire
to
ensure
that
the
pre
it
is
the
city's
desire
to
ensure
the
proposed
districts
reflect
prevalent
communities
of
interest.
The
Middleton
test
6b
map
achieves
that
goal.
D
E
A
Mayor
I'm,
sorry,
it's
always
a
rule
that
during
public
hearings,
people
can
only
speak
on
a
subject
to
that
public
hearing,
which
tonight
is
only
the
draft
maps
on
the
19th
of
December
I'm.
Sorry,
if
you've
got
received
incorrect
information
or
misunderstood
the
information,
however,
on
the
19th
of
December
is
when
the
council
will
vote
on
this
ordinance
and
final,
and
you
can
speak
on
any
subject
related
to
it
on
that
evening,
and
there
will
be
one
meeting
before
then
probably
on.
The
9th
of
December
will
decide
that
tonight,
but
tonight
I'm,
unfortunately,
and
I'm.
E
A
A
F
A
A
A
D
You,
sir
mr.
mayor,
if
I
could
in
the
discussions
we
had,
obviously
we
tried
to
accommodate
what
people
want
to
make
it
comments.
It
was
clarified
in
closed
session
today.
What
people
couldn't
could
not
speak
about
so
if
there's
any
miscommunication,
we
apologized,
but
but
again
it
was
clarified
in
closed
session
and
that's
how
you're
proceeding
I'd.
C
Like
to
add,
if
I
may
mr.
mayor
that,
as
you
correctly
stated,
there
will
be
at
least
two
more
opportunities
when
the
council
will
be
considering
Voting
Rights
Act
matters
when
anything
related
to
what
the
city
is
proposing
to
do
regarding
districting
will
be
fair
and
reasonable
topic
for
as
much
discussion
as
the
council
hears
right.
A
And
and
at
a
Segway
under
what
you
said
tonight,
the
City
Council
in
closed
session
did
discuss
and
voted
unanimously
unanimously
that
because
the
public
will
have
two
opportunities
in
the
future
to
speak
on
anything
related
to
CBR
a
tonight.
We
must
strictly
go
by
the
rules
and
only
allow
a
discussion
of
what's
on
the
agenda,
which
is
the
maps.
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G
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G
C
I'm
mr.
mayor
I
would
just
add
for
the
record
I'm
not
precisely
sure,
of
what
miss
deer
trek
is
saying
when
she
says
the
City
Council's
jurisdiction
tact.
She
could
be
speaking
about
a
wide
number
of
things.
The
council's
been
clear.
The
council
wants
to
hear
during
public
comment
about
the
item
that
has
been
noticed
for
this
hearing.
That's
the
council's
determination,
correct.
A
And
we
always
make
it
very
and
I'd
like
to
make
it
very
clear
that
during
these
collaring,
these
public
comments,
the
council
does
not
normally
accept
in
their
extraordinary
circumstances,
respond.
What
the
council
will
do
is,
after
we've
heard
all
of
the
public
comments
from
all
the
residents
who
wish
to
speak
afterwards
during
our
discussion,
City
Council
members
will
address
those
subjects
that
they
heard
from
the
public
that
they
feel
need
to
be
addressed
further.
We
do
not
address
each
speaker
as
they
speak,
so
that's
our
standard
procedure
that
we've
always
followed.
B
I'm
gonna
make
this
boring
and
speak
about
the
maps
I'm
David
Feldman
from
South
Palm
Springs.
The
reason
I'm
here
is
I
saw
in
a
certain
media
outlet
that
the
subcommittee
had
decided
only
to
move
forward
on
one
particular
map,
which
was
the
Crawford
map
I'm,
just
telling
you
what
I
read
in
a
media
outlet
I'm
not
saying
what
it
if
it
was
accurate,
not
accurate,
I'm,
just
saying
what
I
read
and
and
that
concerns
me
as
I
understand
it.
B
The
goal
of
creating
council
districts
is
to
ensure
full
representation
on
the
Council
of
minority
communities
who
have
gone
unrepresented
in
the
council
for
too
long
and
I
support
these
efforts
to
be
more
inclusive.
However,
something
has
gone
askew
the
way
this
unfolded.
In
the
past
few
weeks,
it
suddenly
became
acceptable
to
force
Lisa,
Middleton
and
Christie
holstege
into
one
district,
even
though
the
vast
number
of
maps
that
were
presented
had
them
in
separate
districts,
I
love,
Palm
Springs,
precisely
because
we
have
progressive
values
and
there
is
room
at
the
table
for
everyone.
B
Lisa
has
been
a
skilled,
neighborhood
advocate
a
public
servant
in
the
truest
sense
and
is
transgender.
She
represents
the
best
of
what
we
need
here
in
Palm
Springs
Christie
Halsted
is
a
lawyer,
a
fierce
advocate
for
the
disenfranchised
and
the
millennial,
bisexual
woman.
She
too
represents
the
best
of
what
we
need
here
in
Palm
Springs.
So
why
are
we
in
a
place
where
the
council
is
considering
placing
two
women
in
the
same
district
when
it
makes
complete
sense
from
a
neighborhood
integrity
and
diversity
perspective
to
place
them
in
separate
districts?
B
We
had
one
woman
and
four
men
on
this
council
for
14
years,
and
now
we
have
a
more
diverse,
if
not
fully
diverse
council,
yet
because
of
some
irrational
pressure,
you're
going
to
undo
that
have
some
backbone
people
and
let's
adopt
district
1
from
the
Crawford
map,
which
we
know
the
virtues
of
that
map
and
tighten
up
some
of
the
neighborhoods
in
the
south
end
and
place
Christie
and
Lisa
in
separate
districts.
This
can
easily
be
accomplished
by
adopting
the
Middleton
test
6b
map
from
October
18th.
B
B
F
My
name
is
Kim
Catalan
I
am
the
former
chair
of
the
oyster,
still
soul.
I
am
here
to
advocate
for
Middleton
five
and
six,
a
actually
one
of
the
things
I'm
concerned
about
with
the
Dietrich
map,
as
it's
currently
presented.
Is
that
it
well?
It
does
an
excellent
job
of
representing
the
minorities
on
the
north
and
the
east
of
Palm
Springs.
It
does
not.
It
spreads,
then
wealth
across
all
the
other
neighborhoods.
F
This
is
an
important
thing.
That's
missed
in
some
of
the
other
maps,
so
maintaining
neighborhood
integrity
like
Ferguson
Coalition,
which
has
a
lot
of
great
work
from
my
own
neighborhood
and
for
others,
and
concentrating
that
wealth
which
these
two
maps
to
five
and
six
a
is
extremely
important
to
a
lot
of
us
who
are
wealthy
people.
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
look
at
those
two
maps
in
particular
that
keep
neighborhood
active
neighborhoods
together
and
keep
wealth
together
as
well.
I
think
that's
something!
That's
been
missed:
I
I!
F
A
H
My
name
is
Paula
Auburn
I
am
the
Past
Chair
of
the
sunrise,
Vista
Chino
neighborhood
coalition,
and
while
we
like
the
Middleton
map
very
much,
it
separates
our
neighborhood
into
two
districts
and
that
we
are
opposed
to.
You
may
not
know
this,
but
you
probably
do
in
1929
gonna
be
a
long
night
to
have
as
Rogers
brought
15
horses
down
into
Palm
Springs
and
started
what
was
called
Rogers
Club
Ranch
Club.
It
became
highly
successful.
Very
famous.
H
The
stables
across
the
street
were
one
of
the
premier
stables
in
Palm
Springs
at
that
time
that
we
are
currently
researching
our
historical
roots,
we're
going
back
to
our
historical
roots,
we're
going
to
go
through
a
name
change
to
become
Rogers
ranch.
If
you
split
us
into
two
districts,
you
split
history
into
two
districts
and
we
would
like
to
remain
together
as
a
single
district.
It
would
not
take
very
much
of
a
change
in
the
current
map.
The
Middleton
map,
to
accomplish
that
the
original
swimming
pool
from
Rogers
Ranch
Club
is
currently
at
Ranch
Club.
H
The
stables
were
where
sage
wood
is
now
sage.
Wood
was
the
first
Wechsler
designed
condominium
project,
so
we're
very
proud
of
our
history.
We're
going
back
to
our
historical
roots,
we'd,
like
your
help,
in
keeping
us
together
as
a
historical
unit
and
work
with
us
as
we
go
through
our
name-change
other
individuals
and
residents
are
here
with
me
this
evening
and
they
will
probably
share
with
you
a
couple
of
the
other
reasons
that
we
would
like
to
stay
together.
A
G
Our
side
has
desert
AIDS,
Project
and
the
apartments
behind
it,
and
it
will
also
include
the
60
new
apartments
that
they're
planning
to
be
just
south
of
EAP.
Now
we
are
all
lower
and
middle-income
people.
The
rest
of
the
area
that
we've
been
put
into
in
the
middle
contest.
6A
is
upper
middle
and
upper
and
mostly
upper,
and
we
get
along
real
well
the
way
we
are.
We
have
a
lot
in
common
and
we
have
met
for
several
for
several
years
and
have
a
lot
going
on.
G
E
E
We
are
middle
income
and
we
do
have
low
income
housing,
which
are
the
vista
sunrise
apartments,
and
with
the
new
edition
of
the
sixty
apartments
that
go
in
and
that
product
that
bought
of
land
at
the
da
P
complex
that
will
be
included
in
an
art
in
I'm,
sorry,
they
will
be
included
in
our
coalition
and
we
would
really
like
to
stay
together
because
we
have
a
history.
Paula
was
the
person
who
took
I
think
everything
by
the
reins
in
the
beginning.
She
has
been
doing
this
for
a
long
time.
E
She
kind
of
cornered
me
and
I
got
involved
and,
as
you
to
said
today,
this
is
like
you
become
addicted
to
it.
I
love
what
I'm
doing
and
I
love
working
with
all
of
these
people.
So
please
reconsider
what
you
would
do
with
our
neighborhood,
because
we
would
really
like
to
stay
together.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
I
I
6B
meets
the
criteria
for
establishing
the
best
majority
majority
district
by
following
the
boundaries
of
both
Deiter
Crawford
maps
for
district
1
6b
eliminates
the
bridge
between
historic
Tennis
Club
and
the
east
side
of
the
neighborhoods
6b
creates
five
districts
that
include
all
sections
of
Palm
Canyon
parts
in
each
district,
so
that
council
members
balance
both
the
needs
of
our
residential
and
our
business
communities.
Most
importantly,
though,
is
the
ability
for
voters
to
retain
incumbents
on
the
City
Council,
so
they
wish
to
reelect
members.
I
Experience
on
this
council
counts,
since
the
learning
curve
for
being
a
successful
person
in
this
town
is
a
very,
very
steep.
As
all
of
you
well
know,
council
turnover
is
inevitable,
but
it
should
not
be
forced
when
possible.
One
council
members
already
stated
they're
not
going
to
seek
election
to
live
too
close
to
each
other
they're
forced
into
the
same
district.
So
that's
two
incumbents
we're
going
to
lose
in
the
next
election
cycle.
There
is
no
accumbens
in
district
1,
so
at
some
point
we
will
have
a
new
council
member
there.
I
Unless
somebody
wishes
to
move
the
crawford
map
forces
the
two
remaining
income-
that's
holstege
and
middleton-
to
run
against
each
other.
This
causes
the
loss
of
a
fourth
incumbent.
Now
this
is
avoidable
in
test
map,
six
which
separates
four
and
five
along
sunrise;
again,
experience
counts
and
it's
the
voters
and
not
the
maps
that
should
be
allowed
to
choose
between
road-tested
experience
and
new
council
members.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
Thank.
J
Good
evening,
John,
McCoy
and
first
I'll
start
out
by
saying
thank
you
for
the
process.
Thank
you
for
the
staff
everything
you've
done.
The
meetings
were
amazing.
There
was
a
lot
of
work
that
went
into
this
and
I
had
people
friends
who
like
to
talk
government.
They
would
never
show
up
at
anything.
I
got
them
out
to
these
meetings.
This
was
city
involvement.
J
That
is
good
government
and
you
know
I
want
to
say
thank
you
first
for
that,
I'd
like
to
say,
I
support
the
middle
Middleton
test
map,
6b
d2,
d3,
swap
I
agree
with
what
Paula
Auburn
stated
about
the
neighborhood
I
think
there
can
be
tweaks.
There
can
be.
You
know
things
that
will
work
within
neighborhoods
to
assist
them
in
what
their
needs
are.
Mr.
Friedman
is
much
better
versed
at
the
demographics
and
and
other
more
detailed
portions
of
it,
but
I
think
he
has
said
that
very
well.
J
I
would
like
to
say
you
know
living
in
Andreas,
Hills
I
find
our
connection
to
the
city
fits
in
this
map
through
the
hillsides
through
utilities.
If
you
look
underground
the
water,
the
electricity,
everything
ties
that
direction
the
lardo
bridge
that
has
been
put
in
it's
part
of
our
access
to
downtown.
When
the
construction
project
on
South
Palm
Canyon
occurs,
we
will
be
traveling
through
the
historic
Tennis
Club
neighborhood
on
a
regular
basis.
You
know
this
really
is
our
true
neighbors
as
part
of
one
PS,
those
other
raps
from
those
neighborhoods
I'm.
J
K
Evening,
mr.
mayor
city,
council,
everybody
hey,
my
name
is
Edwin
I'm,
so
glad
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
actually
just
support.
Actually
that's
this
process.
I
was
up
here,
picking
up
all
the
comments,
so
I'm
here
to
support
a
map
that
continues
to
look
at
the
minority
majority
district
and
one
which
looks
like
it's
continuing.
Some
I'm
really
happy
to
see
that
this
is
going
to
go
forward
in
terms
of
looking
at
a
minority
majority
district.
But
I
want
to
talk
about
how
the
optics
of
what
happened
last
week.
K
A
K
All
right,
my
name
is
dieter
Crawford
I
live
in
the
desert,
island
gateway,
Estates
neighborhood
good
evening.
Everyone
mayor
council
staff,
the
CVRA
I,
want
to
thank
you
guys
for
all
the
hard
work
you
put
in
and
for
taking
everyone's
opinion
and
insight.
Essentially,
I
want
to
support
the
I'll
support.
The
modified
dieter
Crawford
mat.
K
K
It's
funny
to
me
actually
well
yeah
I,
just
want
to
say,
I
want
to
support
the
modified
map
because
it
does
actually
create
a
majority
minority
district
with
the
49%
non-hispanic
white
vote.
So
that's
the
one
I'd
like
to
support,
and
they
did
point
out,
though,
that
everyone
is
trying
to
move
or
drawn
the
lines
for
the
neighborhoods.
So
I
did
like
to
see
that
I'm
not
sure
if
it
was
worked
out
in
a
backdoor
deal.
I'm
not
gonna
comment
on
any
of
that,
but
it
was
brought
up
all
right.
I'm.
L
A
M
Thank
You
mayor
so
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
comments
tonight.
This
has
probably
been
one
of
the
most
delightfully
democratic
processes
that
I've
seen
while
serving
this
community,
and
some
of
the
most
amazing
brainpower
that
we
have
in
this
city
has
been
working
on
our
districting
and
that's
important,
because
that's
what
we
need
right
now.
This
will
change
the
face
of
Palm
Springs
forever
and
the
way
that
we
elect
our
leaders
and
the
people
to
take
us
into
the
future.
M
Merryn
and
and
my
colleagues
I
have
I
have
some
concern
about
what
I
witnessed
last
week,
and
that
is
a
very
inaccurately
reported
story
or,
more
importantly,
an
unresearched
story
by
the
Desert
Sun.
That
reported
inaccurate
facts
and
and
cited
some
accusations
that
were
unfounded
and
untrue
and
I
know
that,
because
I
was
even
included
in
it
and
I'm,
not
even
on
the
subcommittee.
So
I
just
want
to
say
to
my
colleagues
on
the
subcommittee
and
on
the
greater
subcommittee.
M
That's
working
on
this
I
don't
want
our
work,
meaning
all
of
us
to
be
railroaded
or
changed
because
of
inaccurate
stories
in
the
newspaper.
There's
nothing
to
defend
here,
I
have
full
faith
that
my
colleagues
and
the
greater
committee
on
this
has
done.
This
is
a
completely
open
and
honest
process.
I
will
also
say
that
the
accusation
that
one
could
protect
incumbents
is.
M
All
of
us
will
be
gone
in
a
matter
of
years,
one
way
or
another,
so
it
really
doesn't
matter
who
sits
in
one
district
today,
because
that's
all
gonna
change
in
one
year
or
four
years,
but
it's
all
gonna
change.
So
it
really
doesn't
matter.
Having
said
that,
we
were
directed
by
our
city
attorney,
who
did
great
research
on
this
and
by
our
special
counsel.
On
top
of
that
that
we
hired
on
this
issue
that
incumbency
can
be
a
factor
in
determining
the
districts.
M
M
Misinformation
will
be
spread
about
the
decisions
we
make
or
the
process
we
use
accusations
don't
make
it
true,
and
in
this
case
that's
very
much
true
and
I.
Just
am
simply
asking
that
my
colleagues
and
the
Greater
subcommittee
not
throw
out
any
Maps
simply
because
of
false
accusations
or
accusations
that
don't
hold
water.
So
I
think
I've
made
that
point.
M
Okay,
you
know
and
I'll
leave
it
there
for
now.
The
last
thing
I
want
to
say
is
when
this
council
met
on
this
issue.
The
last
time
we
gave
very
specific
direction
to
our
council
subcommittee
and
our
Greater
subcommittee
on
this
to
combine
a
number
of
maps
that
we
felt
best
represented
a
good
mix
of
districts
and
I
believe
they
were
one
of
the
Crawford
maps.
L
Thank
you.
Mr.
mayor,
just
I
first
wanted
to
comment
for
the
people
who
were
here
at
the
beginning
about
the
public
hearing.
This
is
a
public
hearing
item,
so
we
have
to
consider
testimony
and
only
discuss
that
issue.
So
we've
had
over
30
public
meetings
to
get
community
input.
Those
have
been
public
and
noticed
and
and
we've
gone
to
different
places.
L
L
We've
worked
really
hard
in
this
process
to
get
public
input,
I
think
we've
done
probably
the
best
job
of
any
city.
Ever
that's
done
this.
We
have
had
the
most
meetings.
We
hired
a
consultant
to
do
this
work
to
reach
out
to
underserved
and
underrepresented
communities
and
we're
walking
that
walk.
Those
are
values.
We
put
it
into
our
statement
about
our
values
and
we're
doing
that
work.
It's
really
important
to
us,
especially
because
of
the
historical
discrimination
in
Palm
Springs,
and
especially
because
some
people
haven't
had
the
opportunity
to
serve
at
this
table.
L
You
know
I,
think
that
the
council
made
a
mistake.
Last
meeting
I
think
that
we've
had
an
excellent
process.
We
had
the
world's
best
working
group
who
brought
us
forward
five
maps
that
were
chosen
by
the
community
and
had
a
lot
of
community
input.
I'm
not
gonna,
lie
I
think
at
the
last
meeting
we
were
really
tired
because
we
had
had
a
long
night.
The
night
before
we've
been
doing
double
meetings.
L
This
whole
the
last
few
months
just
to
do
these
separately,
so
we
can
spend
as
much
time
as
possible
with
the
community
and
so
I
think
that
we
made
a
mistake
in
choosing
to
move
forward
two
maps,
including
the
Middleton
test,
five
that
hadn't
been
already
included
and
considered
by
the
working
group.
At
that
point.
Just
to
respond,
there
are
no
backroom
deals.
I
saw
that
map
that
actually
night
when
I
sat
down
at
this
table,
I
saw
it
for
the
first
time
and
I
had
the
same
reaction
as
some
people.
L
L
I've
campaigned
with
with
and
against
Lisa
Middleton
for
almost
a
year,
I
have
served
with
her
for
a
year.
Lisa
Middleton
is
highly
ethical.
I
mean
she
is
above
reproach
in
a
lot
of
ways.
She
is
not
the
person
who
is
drawing
any
map
for
any
other
reason
than
what
best
serves
the
community
I
believe
council
member
Middleton
went
on
her
own
to
twenty
meetings
over
a
dozen
meetings
with
community
name
hood
organizations
to
hear
from
them.
L
So
I
think
what
happened
at
the
last
meeting
is
that
we
skipped
a
step,
and
we
didn't
explain
that
reasoning
about
why
that
map
worked.
I,
think
what
Lisa
was
doing
and
I
only
know
because
of
what
what
happened
at
this
public
meeting,
because
that's
where
we
do
all
the
business
we're
not
allowed
to
talk
about
it,
except
in
those
meet
in
this
meeting
right
here
that
you're
watching.
L
I
believe
what
was
happening
and
she
was
combining
the
best
elements
of
the
maps
I've
continued
to
support
the
Crawford
map
in
that
district.
One
I
think
that's
incredibly
important.
I
again,
one
of
our
valid
aligns
with
our
values
of
having
a
minority
majority
district
and
keeping
communities
of
interest
together
and
keeping
socio-economic
groups
together.
I
think
that's
really
important.
I
haven't
decided
right
now.
What
mapped
who
to
vote
on
and
and
decide?
I
actually
did
talk
to
some
people
in
South,
Palm,
Springs,
I,
reached
out
and
I
included.
L
All
of
those
emails
back
about
what
South,
Palm
Springs
should
look
like,
because
I
don't
actually
think
we've
had
that
conversation
I
think
we
talked
a
lot
about
North,
Palm,
Springs
I
think
we
talked
a
lot
about
District
one
and
two
and
three
I
personally
I
have
strong
feelings
about
this.
I've
lived
in
South
West,
Palm
Springs
I
lived
at
the
Biltmore
Colony
for
about
three
or
four
years
sort
of
right
around
right
across
from
the
Ace
Hotel.
So
that
would
be,
you
know,
different
in
different
maps
and
then
now
I
live
in
Sonora
sunrise.
L
You
know,
and
so
I
wanted
to
hear
from
neighbors
and
South
Palm
Springs
residents
and
residents
about
what
South
Palm
Springs
should
look
like.
Does
it
move
east
to
west
doesn't
move
north
to
south
I?
Don't
I'm
not
deciding
based
on
my
own
view,
so
I
have
lived
in
those
neighborhoods
I
strongly
believe
that
they
move
north
to
south
based
on
communities
of
interest
like
people
in
the
community
like
David
Freedman
have
talked
about
that
I.
Actually,
don't
drive
that
way.
L
I
we
use
ferrell
to
go
up
and
down
I
feel
communities
of
interest
in
Sonora
sunrise,
with
los
compadres
little
Beverly
Hills
Arabi,
that's
the
kind
of
zone
that
I
walk,
my
dog
and
when
I
lived
on
the
other
side
of
South
Palm
Springs
I
walk
my
dog
in
deep
well
talked
with
River
Estates
and
down
that
way.
So
I
want
to
make
sure
this
is
a
really
hard
process
and
it's
really
really
hard
for
us
to
make
get
a
perfect
map
in
this
priming.
L
We're
not
gonna
get
a
perfect
map
for
every
single
person
and
we've
actually
got
the
longest
extension
ever
given
in
this
process
by
a
few
months.
So
we've
actually
know
that
the
community
feels
rushed.
I
feel
rushed
to
I
wish
I
had
six
more
months
to
go
to
every
single
neighborhood
group
in
every
single
neighbor
I
wanted
to
like
walk
and
pull
my
neighbors
right.
We
want
to
hear
from
the
community,
but
we
do.
We
are
facing
a
litigation
deadline
and
that's
why
we
have
to
decide.
L
So
that's
why,
at
the
last
meeting,
I
supported
the
Middleton
test
five
map,
because
it
included
the
best
elements,
in
my
opinion,
of
the
Crawford
map
with
districts,
one
and
two
and
the
South
Palm
Springs
maps,
and
that
were
actually
I.
Think
three
out
of
the
five
maps
that
were
the
final
five
picked
by
the
working
group
had
different
districts
than
this
Crawford
modified
to.
H
L
You
know
I've
said
from
the
beginning.
This
issue
about
incumbency
actually
asked
the
question
of
us
of
our
special
council
a
month
ago
about,
if
we're
allowed
to
consider
incumbency,
I
think
this
council's
made.
It
really
clear
that
we're
not
considering
incumbency
at
all
I
personally,
rent
in
the
city
of
Palm,
Springs
I,
am
here
til,
2021
I,
don't
think
the
people
of
Palm
Springs
are
of
a
district
or
of
me.
I
have
decided
whether
to
run
again
right
and
and
if
the
people
would
want
me
to
represent
them
in
a
district.
L
That's
a
different
thing
that
would
be
up
to
the
people,
but
I
don't
want
us
to
take
the
so
far
the
Appa
we're
considering
incumbency
anyway,
if
we're
drawing
a
map
that
ignores
it
entirely
and
I'm,
not
I,
don't
think
that
we
should
consider
it
it's
just
not
a
factor
for
us,
but
the
Desert
Sun
spin
on
this
issue
was
I,
think
really
detrimental
and
I.
Think
it
just
got
all
of
the
facts
wrong
in
a
lot
of
ways,
and
that
was
harmful
for
this
process,
because
we've
had
such
an
excellent
process.
L
Part
of
that
was
our
fault
and
moving
forward
on
a
Middleton
map.
Five
I
do
think
that
deer
Crawford
has
worked
incredibly
hard
on
this
map
and
in
this
process,
along
with
the
working
group,
I
would
like
to
see
a
final
map
you
know
be
named
after
you
know
the
residents
that
did
the
input
and
I
would
also
like
to
see
the
Vista
Chino
sunrise,
Vista,
Chino
neighborhood
group,
be
if
we
could
talk
about.
L
If
that
can
be
included,
I
think
the
subcommittee
but
I,
you
know,
I,
don't
know
if
dieter
Crawford
or
the
working
group
could
come
up
and
explain
the
thinking
about
South,
Palm
Springs
and
that
map
and
if
there
was
I,
don't
want
to
pick
an
arbitrary
map
for
South
Palm
Springs
I
really
want
it
to
be
based
on
facts
and
neighborhoods.
We've
heard
that
from
the
community
tonight,
I
don't
know
if
anyone
feels
or
if
the
subcommittee
would
talk
a
bit
about
that
at
all
and
I
want
to
have
that
conversation.
N
C
Will
as
soon
as
three
out
of
five
of
you
tell
me
to
do
so
because
it's
not
a
mandatory
report,
the
council
did
take
action
in
relation
to
the
Voting
Rights
Act
in
closed
session,
but,
as
councilmember
Corps
said
not
mandatory
reporting.
Does
the
council
want
me
to
report
on
that
action
taken
yeah
I'm,
seeing
the
hands
go
up
all
five
of
you?
Thank
you.
C
N
N
If
you
haven't
a
preference
for
one
split
for
four
and
five
versus
the
other,
just
the
reasoning,
so
we
can
make
sure
we
take
that
into
account
would
be
very
helpful
and
someone
from
the
working
group
after
who's,
looked
at
a
bunch
of
maps,
has
some
thoughts
on
that.
We
welcome
that.
We
know
it's
not
a
vote
of
the
working
group.
If
you
do
thanks,
dieter
dieter.
K
Crawford
once
again,
I'm
not
really
concerned
about
the
how
the
other
districts
are
split
up.
I'm
mostly
concerned
with
the
majority
minority
district,
like
I,
said
it
was
interesting,
though,
to
see
the
incumbents
at
first
they
were
all
in.
It
was
two
districts
and
then
all
of
a
sudden,
his
four
districts.
That
was
interesting
to
me.
That's
all,
okay,.
N
K
B
N
N
M
M
That
I
didn't
know
whether
I
didn't
know
where
my
street
was
with
respect
to
Middleton
5
or
what
I
call
Middleton
r2d2,
because
the
maps
that
we
are
looking
at,
our
tiny
and
I
did
notice
that
there
was
a
cut
through
what
would
potentially
be
the
district
that
I
will
be
living
in.
But
there
were
no
street
names.
There
was
no
way
to
determine
whether
my
street
fell
into
that
or
not
so
I,
don't
know
who
could
have
made
that
determination?
M
N
I
appreciate
people's
comments
and
they
make
sense.
But
that
was
our
decision
and
we
instructed
the
city
clerk
not
to
have
the
demographer
who's
here,
draw
maps
to
reflect
that,
which
is
what
most
cities
start
with
to
see
how
you
could
do
it.
And
if
you
look
at
some
of
the
maps
there
are
maps
where
there's
one
house
out
of
the
neighborhood,
that's
moved
in
order
to
protect
incumbents
who
live
close
to
each
other.
N
I
will
say
that
one
of
the
demographers
maps
and
trying
to
get
more
of
us
to
touch
downtown
actually
would
have
had
four
of
us
I
believe
in
separate
districts.
It
would
have
had
the
mayor
and
I
in
separate
districts,
because
his
neighborhood
touches
on
Palm
Canyon
north
of
my
neighborhood.
We
did
not
move
that
forward.
So
if
I
as
a
member
of
the
subcommittee,
wanted
to
protect
incumbents,
nothing
personal
I
like
you,
both
very
much
I-
would
have
much
more
concerned
about
me.
N
I
saw
the
Middleton
5
map
the
same
day.
Everyone
else
did
because
she
had
been
working
on
a
lot
of
maps
and
I
believe
we
had
some
modified
maps
from
the
working
group
that
we
saw
for
the
first
time
that
same
night.
So
that's
because
everyone's
working
constantly
on
this
right,
they
weren't
trying
to
hide
anything.
We
didn't
talk
to
them.
In
fact,
we
stayed
out
of
all
of
their
meetings,
so
they
could
be
an
independent
voice,
so
this
process,
I,
don't
want
anyone
to
think
is
in
any
way
tainted.
N
N
So
and
that's
everything
we've
heard
tonight.
I
also
want
to
share
that
for
sunrise,
Vista,
Chino,
councilmember,
Middleton
and
I
met
and
agree
that
I
think
it's
all
of
80
or
90
people
should
be
kept
together.
It
doesn't
often
when
we
do
this,
it
throws
off
our
numbers
and
we
have
to
have
balance
numbers,
but
it
actually
doesn't
in
this
case,
so
our
recommendation
will
be
whatever
map
is
chosen,
that
that
part-
and
that
includes
da
P
and
those
apartments
in
there
are
kept
together.
So
that
will
be
our
tonight
and
sort
of
that's
all.
N
I
have
for
now.
I
want
to
make
sure
we
hear
from
everyone,
but
I
do
think.
Ultimately,
we
have
to
decide
the
best
map
and
we
shouldn't
allow
what
was
confusion
or
insinuations
dictate
it.
But
I
also
want
to
make
sure
we're
very
clear
because
after
spending
eight
months
and
getting
instead
of
the
90
days
and
having
to
be
finished
in
July,
we
negotiated
eight
and
a
half
months
to
do
this
process
with
over
30
public
meetings
to
somehow
be
undone
because
of
what
happened.
Thank,
You,
ver,
okay,.
A
A
couple
comments:
I
have
one:
it's
no
secret
I
mean
a
couple
meetings
ago:
I
voted
that
was
the
only
one
who
voted
that
I
preferred
four
districts
and
directly
elected
mayor,
but
though
the
four
of
the
five
council
decided
to
go
five
so
case
closed,
that's
none
so
move
on,
which
is
what
we're
doing
and
no
see.
I've
lived
in
my
house
for
18
years
and
Vista
Las,
Palmas
and
I
ain't
move
until
they
carry
me
out
feet
first,
so
one
I
couldn't
afford
to
sell
it
today
and
buy
something
else.
A
So,
but
I
want
to
thank
the
council
tonight
for
what
I
think
is
a
very
good
move
towards
the
transparency
that
we've
all
embraced
for
the
past
three
years
as
we
discuss
as
as
we
all
know,
there's
nothing
in
that
that
information
I
think
is
important
for
the
public
to
see.
I
really
think
it's
very
important
that
we
put
that
out
there.
A
As
a
one
caveat,
though
I
want
to
make
sure
having
been
very
involved
in
1ps
for
the
last
eight
years
and
having
been
president
of
my
neighborhood
organization.
I
know
how
important
it
is
to
neighborhoods
not
to
be
split,
so
I
really
hope
we'll
work
as
hard
as
we
can
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
split
neighborhoods
and
however,
another
thing
week
to
consider
is
all
this
work
we're
doing
and
its
really
for
one
election,
because
there
will
be.
A
There
will
be
a
new
census
done
in
another
year
and
or
two
years
and
before
the
2021
election.
The
city
will
have
new
demographic
data,
and
so
therefore
all
this
will
be
go
done
again
before
after
this
next
election.
So
this
is
not
the
end
of
this
is
not
something
we're
doing.
This
is
going
to
be
in
stone
for
many
years,
so
you
will
have
so.
Somebody
is
a
subgroup.
A
Some
council
has
this
to
look
forward
to
doing
again
in
a
couple
of
years,
but
one
thing
about
one
thing
we've
really
worked
wanted
to
achieve
is
to
make
it
more
affordable
for
people
to
run
for
office,
and
that's
one
of
the
best
things
about
this
process,
we're
doing,
because
each
of
the
districts
will
have
approximately
the
same
number
of
people.
One
of
the
demographics
we're
looking
at
is
not
just
race,
income,
etc,
but
how
many
people
are
in
that
district
and
and
the
commonality
of
the
neighborhoods
in
that
district?
A
But
you
know
the
amount
of
money
will
not
be
that
critical
and
neighborhood
reputation
and
or
and
participation
and
neighborhood
organizations
and
involvement.
A
neighborhood
over
past
years
will
be
about
what's
very
important,
as
other
councilmembers
have
pointed
out.
This
will
give
people
their
opportunity
to
go.
Those
of
us
who
have
run
citywide
know
it
is
impossible
to
go
door-to-door
to
45,000
people
in
Palm.
Springs
I
mean
there
are
45
neighborhoods
and
you
just
can't
do
it.
A
However,
if
you're
running
in
one-fifth
of
the
city-
and
it's
your
neighborhood,
you
can
you
can
do
that
with
with
a
lot
less
hardship
and
that
being
said,
I
think
any
of
these
maps
would
achieve
our
purpose.
They're
only
gonna
be
used
from
one
election
and
I.
Having
studied
all
these
maps,
I
thought
they
were
all
good,
but,
having
read
all
the
emails
we
received
listening
to
people
tonight,
I'm
leaning
towards
the
middle
fantastics,
B
D,
2,
D,
3
swap
map.
That's
a
long
title:
okay,
big
customer,
Milton,
I.
O
Want
to
thank
everyone
who
has
come
out
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
said
a
lot
a
year
ago,
when
I
was
running
for
office,
was
that
if
I
made
a
mistake,
I
would
admit
it
and
learn
from
it.
I
made
a
mistake
two
weeks
ago
that
mistake
was
not
because
I
was
trying
to
somehow
or
another
deviously
insert
a
map
at
the
end
of
the
process.
O
I,
never
at
any
time
spoke
with
anyone
other
than
councilmember
Coors,
whose
member
of
the
subcommittee
regarding
how
any
of
these
maps
should
look.
Who
is
a
member
of
the
City
Council
I
did
not
talk
with
the
mayor
with
the
mayor
pro-tem
or
with
councilmember
holstege,
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge,
based
on
one
very
quick
phone,
not
phone
call
conversation
with
Mayor
Pro
Tem
Roberts,
as
he
and
I,
and
other
members
of
council
were
driving
back
from
the
Ontario
Airport,
where
he
was
describing
the
new
home
that
he
was
purchasing.
O
When
he
had
said
multiple
occasions,
I'm,
not
planning
to
run
for
re-election
now,
I
can't
say:
I
did
not
know
where
councilmember
holstege
lives
or
anyone
else
on
City
Council,
because
they've
been
in
their
homes,
I
knew
where
they
lived,
but
I
wasn't
trying
to
draw
maps
to
separate
them.
I
will
say
that
nine
people
drew
maps
that
were
population
balanced,
my
Guerra
who
lives
in
the
historic
Tennis
Club.
O
O
Mr.
Dubey,
who
may
love
Maps
even
more
than
I,
do
drew
mostly
maps
that
put
councilmember,
holstege
and
I
together,
mostly
because
he
tended
to
orient
things
east
to
west.
That
was
very
legitimate
point
of
view.
Jeter
Crawford
in
his
map
on
the
south
end
of
town
and
somewhat
more
other
than
in
district
1,
tended
to
orient
the
city
east
to
west.
He
and
he
had
us
together
in
making
a
determination
that
I
thought
sunrise
was
appropriate
boundary.
O
It
is
a
major
arterial,
neighborhoods
up
and
down
our
city
that
our
east
and
west
of
sunrise
have
very
different
demographics,
very
different
orient
and
the
name.
Every
neighborhood
organization,
with
the
sole
exception
of
sunrise,
Vista
Chino,
for
a
few
homes
on
the
west
side
and
the
Four
Seasons
at
the
far
north
end
of
town
uses
sunrise
as
a
boundary
line.
So
it's
a
normal
boundary
line.
Councilmember
holstege
and
I
live
1.7
miles
from
one
another.
O
O
This
area
pretty
well
and
connect
with
an
awful
lot
of
people,
and
there
were
two
individuals
and
they
both
spoke
this
evening,
who
were
incredibly
influential
in
terms
of
how
I
drew
the
south
end
of
town,
and
that
was
conversations
that
I
had
had
over
the
course
of
many
months
regarding
this
process
with
John
McCoy
from
the
Andreas
Hills
neighborhood
and
David
Friedman
from
the
indian
canyons
neighborhoods,
and
it
was
knowing
their
involvement
in
their
communities,
their
knowledge.
That
was
very
persuasive.
O
Last
thing
I
want
to
say
on
this
map,
is
I
put
it
together
on
november
13th?
That's
the
data
it
was
submitted
to
the
demographer
was
identified
as
a
test
map,
because
what
I
was
testing
was
whether
or
not
the
concept
that
councilman,
Coors
and
I
had
of
combining
the
Smoketree
map
with
the
Dixie
Miller
modification
and
the
dieter
Crawford
map
was
going
to
work
testing
it
to
see
whether
it
would
be
population
balanced
testing
it
to
see
whether
or
not
the
demographics
would
work.
O
And
then
we
got
back
information
that
demonstrated
would
would
work,
and
we
made
a
mistake
in
presenting
that
map
two
weeks
ago,
because
it
looked
like
something
that
perhaps
had
been
sitting
around
for
a
long
time.
It
had
not
been.
It
was
something
that
was
constructed
simply
to
demonstrate
you
could
bring
these
two
Smoketree
with
the
jig,
similar
modification
and
the
dieter
Crawford
map
together.
Mr.
O
Crawford
is
somebody
who
I
admire
and
respect
and
I
was,
at
almost
all
of
the
thirty-five
public
meetings
and
dieter
Crawford
was
there
at
almost
every
single
one
of
them,
reaching
out
to
the
people
in
the
communities
and
explaining
to
them
what
he
was
trying
to
accomplish,
and
it
was
people
of
color
largely
in
those
community
meetings
that
came
forward
and
said
they
wanted
this
map
to
that.
Jeter
had
put
together
because
it
combined
their
communities
but,
most
importantly
because
it
was
a
member
of
their
community
that
was
responsible
for
drawing
that
map.
O
It
was
Edwin
was
present
at
to
Baia
nians,
where
folks
from
the
Filipino
community,
a
community
that
had
largely
been
disenfranchised,
were
present
and
being
heard,
and
speaking
up,
we
had
multiple
meetings
in
the
desert,
Highland
community
neighborhood,
where
people
were
coming
together.
The
working
group,
mr.
Dubey
grace
Garner
Stephen
Moses
Kathy
Warwick,
who
are
here
tonight,
were
at
almost
every
single
one
of
those
meetings.
O
M
Know
many
factors
went
into
the
determination
of
districts.
One
concern
I
have
is
whether
the
weather
likely
voters
were
considered.
My
concern
being
that
we
could
create
districts
where
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
voter
interest.
As
we
all
know,
we
have
a
certain
percentage
of
our
community
that
even
registers
to
vote
and
then
half
of
that
that
group
that
registers
doesn't
necessarily
vote.
M
M
O
O
The
original
map
that
mr.
Crawford
put
together
there
are
a
couple
of
blocks
just
north
of
the
boundaries
of
the
El
Mirador
neighborhood
that
are
south
of
Vista
Chino
mm-hmm,
that
are
largely
apartment
complexes.
They
are
largely
economically
less
advantaged
than
the
El
Mirador
neighborhood
itself
and
they
actually
set
outside
the
El
Mirador
boundaries.
It
was
clear
to
me
that
what
mr.
Crawford
was
trying
to
do
was
to
pull
those
apartment
complexes
into
district
2,
which
is
less
economically
privileged
than
most
of
district
3,
is
in
doing
so
in
his
map.
He
had.
O
Overcome
the
boundaries
of
El
Mirador
and
was
actually
splitting
a
couple
of
blocks
of
the
El
Mirador
neighborhood,
we
met
with
the
El
Mirador
neighborhood.
They
asked
to
be
held
together,
so
we
tried
to
present
a
map
that
would
include
those
apartment
complexes
in
two
rather
than
three,
but
also
conform
to
the
El
Mirador
boundaries.
And
here's
where
I
think
I
needed
to
turn
it
over
to
dr.
Leavitt,
because
what
we
ran
into
is
census
blocks
that
didn't
help
us
yeah.
P
It
would
be
much
more
straightforward
to
divide
that
one
census
block
with
the
remaining
portion
of
El
Mirador,
rather
than
a
community
that
was
literally
divided
in
half,
and
so
when
we
came
back
to
it,
and
then
this
was
something
that
was
done
for
population.
It's
really
impossible
to
go
all
the
way
up
to
Vista.
Chino
in
district
3,
because
there
simply
isn't
the
population
for
single
district
north
of
Vista,
Chino
and
south
of
San
Rafael,
and
so
we
had
to
go
south
on
this
map.
P
M
P
Right
and
so
the
concern
was
okay,
we're
still
dividing
El
Mirador
in
that
map.
So
what
would
it
take
if
you
were
to
try
to
get
all
of
El
Mirador
into
district
3?
And
so
this
is
something
that
we
were
kind
of
looking
at.
You
know,
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
the
numbers
and
it
turns
out
if
you
follow
this
Ticino,
simply
all
the
way
to
sunrise.
You
could
really
put
all
of
the
way
cyst
El
Sol,
El,
Rancho,
Vista
estates
and
sunrise
Vista
Chino
into
district
2.
P
Now
we
clearly
have
a
census
block
that
actually
includes
portions
of
movie
colony,
east
portion
of
sunrise,
Vista,
Chino
and
actually
a
portion
of
the
census
block
is
not
in
any
neighborhood
whatsoever
and
that
would
have
to
be
looked
at,
but
you
could
simply
follow
Vista
Chino,
which
may
be
a
more
intuitive
boundary
than
following
the
the
smaller
the
smaller
neighborhoods
between
you
know.
This
achene,
oh
and
you
know,
I
think
it's
you
know
in
the
El
Mirador
area,
okay,.
M
M
P
The
the
courts
recognize
in
fact
the
Voting
Rights
Act
recognizes
that
you
may
not
get
the
same
number
of
registered
voters
in
a
district,
for
example,
with
a
higher
percentage
of
non-white,
voters
or
citizens
or
residents,
and
the
courts
have
said
repeatedly
that
that
is
something
that
is
desirable
if
it
held
you
know,
especially
when
it
helps
candidates
have
called
or
elect
the
candidate
of
choice.
So,
to
give
another
example,
the
State
Assembly
districts
covering
East
Los
Angeles,
very
heavily
Latino,
has
about
50,000
registered
voters.
P
There
are
other
Assembly
districts
that
have
200,000
250,000
registered
voters
and
the
courts
have
said.
Well,
you
know
that's
okay,
because
in
this
district
you
have
a
younger
population,
you
have
more
non-citizens
and
so
to
have
a
real
community
representative,
the
number
of
likely
voters
doesn't
have
to
be
equal,
and
so
what
I
would
say
here
is
one
of
the
things
I'm.
Looking
at
with
the
demographics.
P
We
have
districts
where
the
prior
percentage
of
the
population
under
18
is
5
10
%,
and
we
have
another
district
where
the
pop
%
of
the
population
under
18
is
over.
25%,
that's
going
to
mean
a
difference
in
the
number
of
registered
voters
between
those
two
districts,
but
that
is
something
that
may
be
desirable,
especially
if
you
live
in
that
district,
with
a
higher
percentage
under
18
I.
M
Understand,
thank
you.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
Those
are
my
questions
for
now
with
respect
to
map
choices,
I
want
to
hear
more
from
my
colleagues.
The
maps
are
getting
so
similar
now
that
I'm,
having
a
hard
time,
actually
choosing
one
so
I'm
looking
to
the
subcommittee
to
help
narrow
them
down
for
me
frankly,
mm-hmm.
N
And
just
on
these
maps,
if
you
see
just
give
the
example
that
was
talked
about
is
District,
one
will
have
less
voter
registration
because
it
has
26
percent
under
18
who
can't
vote
so
that
will
change
obviously
over
time.
Well,
some
of
the
districts
as
the
demographers
said.
Don't
have
that.
So
that's
why
those
numbers
turn
out
the
way
they
do
so.
M
And
I
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
is
it
it
frankly,
it
doesn't
matter
because
again
much
in
the
same
way,
incumbency
won't
matter
after
we're
no
longer
sitting
here.
Its
districts
will
change.
Developments
will
be
built
and
bring
in
new
people
and
increase
the
number
of
voters.
Our
people
will
move
so
I
see
in
the
long
run.
It's
the
sands
are
shifting
so
quickly
in
districts.
It
simply
won't
matter
on
those
two
levels.
N
Thank
one
is
just
following
up:
you
know
in
the
mayor's
point,
because
they're
spending
so
much
time
on
the
south
end,
which
may
never
be
voted
on
in
this
configuration,
because
it's
one
two
and
three
that
will
be
voted
on
at
the
next
election,
but
the
difference
is
to
Mayor
Pro
Tem,
Roberts,
councilmember,
Middleton
and
I
together
came
up
with
the
modifications
that
are
seen
in
D,
Crawford,
modified
to
the
first
page
and
middleton
test,
6b,
swap,
etc.
The
last
page
b
to
d
right.
A
N
That
was
an
important
issue,
because
when
you
split
a
census
tract
you
lose,
you
have
a
lot
less
certainty
about
the
demographics
and
so
that
impacted
what
we
did
up
there
as
well
and
our
decisions.
So
those
are
the
two
maps
that
I
think
we're
talking
about.
I
haven't
heard
much
about
anything
else,
I
think
as
we
look
at
the
because
someone
did
bring
up,
you
know
wealth
and
income
level
and
when
I
saw
the
numbers
on
the
various
maps
they're,
not
that
different,
but
district
3
in
the
modified
maps.
N
N
You
look
at
households
didn't
come
on
the
very
back
page
yeah.
You
can
see.
You
know
it's
pretty
split,
but
if
you
look
at
the
one
with
the
most
people
with
income
over
200,000,
its
district
5,
that's
10%
right
versus
4%
in
district
3,
which
includes
what
I
think
many
people
think
are
the
more
higher
income
levels.
Gotcha.
Is
there
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that?
Oh
and
the
only.
N
When
both
the
working
group
and
the
council,
you
Nana
unanimously
supported
criteria
which,
and
there
was
different
priorities,
and
that
was
not
as
high
a
priority
as
maximizing
the
goals
of
the
California
Voting,
Rights
Act
or
creating
a
majority-minority
district.
But
this
map
I
believe
with
that.
One
change
is
maybe
one
neighborhood
group
out
of
all
of
them.
That
will
be
split
so,
which
was.
M
N
O
O
Not
one
they're,
virtually
the
same
map
for
are
absolutely
the
same
in
these
respects.
Okay,
Upper
West
Side
gets
split
along
San
Rafael
Drive
yeppers,
because
the
Upper
West
Side
neighborhood
crosses
San
rafeal
Drive.
There
is
part
of
it
that
is
north
of
San
Rafael,
even
part
that
is
south.
Do
you
see
where
that
line
just
above
racket
club
right
there?
That
is
a
part
of
the
Upper
West
Side
neighborhood?
O
O
Their
part
we
have
I
have
talked
with
that
neighborhood
and
their
leadership.
They
would
prefer
not
to
be
split,
but
they
recognize
that
because
they
cross
San
Rafael
and
that
San
rafeal
was
being
considered
frequently
as
a
dividing
line
that
that
could
happen.
What
they
ask
is
our
first
request
is:
please
don't
split
us.
The
second
request
was,
if
you
split
split
us
at
San,
Rafael
Drive
and
that's
what
this
map
does
in
terms
of
population
balances
and
dr.
Leavitt,
you
can
answer
this.
P
O
O
P
P
O
The
third
area
where
we
potentially
have
a
split
is
one
that
we
move
out
a
little
bit
two
weeks
ago
and
that's
directly
north
of
there
and
that's
the
white
water
club,
neighborhood
and
white
water
club
is
a
small
area
of
5h,
o
A's
that
sit
inside
the
abandoned
palm
springs.
Country
Club
golf
course,
which
will
ultimately
be
developed
as
the
sarena
Park
neighborhood
in
drawing
their
neighborhood
boundaries.
They
also
went
up
and
picked
up
the
vacant
space
that
is
around
the
golden
sands
mobile
home
park.
O
That
will
be
area
that
is
part
of
Serena
Park
neighborhood.
If
it
is
developed,
there's
actually,
no
one
that
lives
there
right
now
and
the
golden
sands
mobile
home
park
is
another
community
that
is
overwhelmingly
Latino,
and
it
is
very
well
connected
also
to
the
Four
Seasons
tract
that
is
around
there.
So
making
that
split
seems
to
be
a
very
logical
thing
to
do.
It.
P
O
P
I
actually
have
two
women.
This
is
something
where
we
need,
first
of
all,
some
council
guidance
and
direction,
perhaps
from
the
sunrise,
Vista
Chino
estates,
Neighborhood
Association,
because,
according
to
the
maps,
the
neighborhood
boundary
as
it's
technically
in
the
city
files,
splits,
the
apartment,
complex,
directly,
adjacent
to
the
desert,
AIDS
Project
and
so
I
am
looking
for
some
guidance
in
terms
of
how
to
split
this
neighborhood
or
the
census
block.
P
O
Speak
with
David
Brinkman,
an
executive
director
of
desert
AIDS
project
this
afternoon.
They
work
very
closely
with
the
sunrise,
Vista
Chino
neighborhood,
and
it
would
certainly
be
their
preference
that
that
close
relationship
be
continued
and
that
da
P
it's
affordable.
Housing
project
and
the
boundaries
of
the
homes
that
are
just
west
of
sunrise
in
sunrise,
Vista
Chino
be
brought
together
in
one
name,
one
district.
O
P
Are
there
are
73
single-family
homes
that
are
very
clearly
in
the
movie
colony
East
neighborhood?
There
are
also
three
apartment
complexes:
the
one
at
the
desert,
Healthcare
Foundation,
and
the
additional
two
that
I
mentioned:
Vista
Del,
Monte
Vista
del
Sur
Reno,
which
both
appear
to
be
in
that
area.
That's
not
assigned
to
a
neighborhood
between
sunrise,
Vista,
Chino
and
movie
colony
East.
So.
N
C
H
Yes,
speak
to
the
census
tracks,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
the
apartments
behind
desert
AIDS
project
are
considered
part
of
the
desert,
AIDS,
Project
and
part
of
our
neighborhood
group.
We've
outreach
to
the
co-op's,
their
coops
behind
2
or
3
times,
and
have
no
response.
The
ownership
of
that
co-op
is
actually
in
the
East
Coast.
So
we're
still
looking
for
some
way
to
find
a
personal
local
connection
to
meet
with
that
co-op.
It
was
always
our
intent
to
bring
them
into
our
neighborhood
organization
that
doesn't
address
the
whole
issue
of
census.
Tracts.
N
P
I
would
say,
then,
from
a
numbers
and
balancing
perspective
at
this
point.
In
my
if
it
was
the
council's
direction,
it
would
be
easiest
to
just
look
at
the
desert
AIDS
Project
today
and
then,
if
you
know
when
we
do
this
again
in
2021,
when
we
have
better
lines
where
we
have
better
sense,
this
geography,
we
might
be
able
to
get
those
coops
being
even
into
a
block.
So
we
know
the
exact
population
we're
talking
about
there.
L
If
I
may
ask
so
you're
saying
you
don't
think
it's
possible
because
of
census
tracts
to
include
those
apartment
complexes
or
coops
as
well,
because
I
would
like
to
see
them
grouped
more
with
Sunrise.
Mr.
Chino,
we
heard
the
testimony
there
that
that
that's
their
definition
of
their
neighborhood,
then
movie
colony,
East
I.
Just
don't
want
to
isolate
any
neighborhoods
that
might
not
be
represented
or
be
included
in
surrounding
district
areas.
So.
P
P
P
If
we're
talking
about
moving
people
from
of
people
from
three
into
two
that
could
potentially
put
three
under
where
it
needs
to
be,
but
just
for
two
above
five
percents
well
over
what
it
needs
to
be
which
might
increase
your
total
deviation,
depending
on
the
map
over
ten
percents,
so
I
know
I,
know
in
the
future.
We'll
have
changes
we'll
have
better
data,
we'll
have
more
precise
data.
I'd
recommend
the
most
minimal
switch
today,
but
knowing
that
in
two
years,
they're
gonna
have
better
data,
and
you
can
come
back
to
this
question
and.
L
P
I
actually
wanted
to
send
District
threes
community
of
interest
a
bit,
because
what
we've
done
in
district
3
in
the
revised
maps
and
the
in
the
test
6b
in
the
data
Crawford
revision
to
is
put
a
lot
of
renter's
into
district
3
on
both
of
the
maps.
The
El
Mirador
area,
the
Midtown
area,
the
barista
area
and
even
sunrise
Park
have
a
very
high
share
of
renters,
and
so
what?
If
you
look
at
the
demographic
data
district,
one
has
a
much
lower
share
of
renters
a
much
higher
percentage
of
single-family
homes.
P
Then
District
three
does
what
you're
getting
in
district
3
is
really
a
downtown
corridor,
a
mix
of
very
wealthy
neighborhoods,
with
a
lot
of
younger
people
mid
like
20s
and
30s
living
in
apartments,
and
especially
in
Midtown
and
barista,
where
you've
seen
a
lot
of
developments
of
multi-family
housing,
condo
complexes,
I
see
it
just
when
I'm
driving
through
town.
You
know
that
really
that
North
End
of
El
Mirador
looks
a
lot
like
barista
in
Midtown
when
it
comes
to
that
percentage
of
printers
and
percentage
of
multifamily
housing.
I.
L
Agree
with
you,
though,
it's
geographically
distant
a
bit
from
those
areas,
so
I'm
just
concerned
just
talking
to
the
council
about
drawing
these
boundaries
and
they
hear
that
we're
limited
based
on
the
census,
tracts
and
the
data
that
we
have
right
now,
but
making
sure
to
draw
I
actually
think
geographic
distance
to
communities
like
you
and
your
communities
of
interest
is
is
more
important,
especially
as
we're
talking
about
getting
people.
Who've
been
underrepresented
in
neighborhood
organizations
involved
in
that
process.
L
N
They're
communities
of
interests
and
the
working
group
did
a
lot
of
work
on
that
and
that's
why
we
held
all
these
meetings
throughout
the
city
and
speaking
to
people
so
just
to
follow
up
on
councilmember
holstege
in
talking
to
people
who
live
on
those
apartment,
buildings
just
south
of
Vista
Chino,
they
actually
feel
more
connected
below
than
above,
and
if
you
go
down
Palm
Canyon
into
the
first
parts
of
all
those
pomace
and
that
little
section
of
Vista
Las
Palmas
for
the
first
block,
an
Indian
Canyon.
Those
are
a
lot
of
apartments
right.
N
So
they're
not
I
agree
with
you
there's
a
lot
in
other
areas,
but
there
are
a
lot
of
other
apartments
in
that
area.
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons.
So,
as
we
looked
at
this
I
just
want
to,
because
we've
talked
a
lot
about
other
things,
there
are
a
lot
of
factors.
Obviously
that
went
into
this
and
we
got
so
much
from
the
community
and
I
just
want
to
thank
four
or
five
hundred
people
who
actually
turned
out,
let
alone
all
the
emails
and
phone
calls
we
got
was
we're
very
helpful.
N
You
know
District
one
having
protective
NAR
DS
as
a
community
of
interest.
Other
things
that
really
came
up
in
the
discussions
were
that
in
both
DeMuth
and
desert
islands,
we
have
our
two
community
centres.
They
really
felt
those
are
so
intricate
of
those
neighborhoods
and
having
that
similarity
and
having
neighborhood
based
community
centers
was
really
a
factor
for
them
and
they
wanted
to
be
connected.
A
lot
of
the
neighborhoods
in
district
1
resulted
from
what
happened
in
section
14
and
people
being
forced
to
move
to
the
outskirts
of
the
city.
N
So
there's
a
lot
of
other
interests
that
are
tied
together
there.
If
you
look
at
district
2,
a
lot
of
it
was
which
we've
discussed.
You
know
sort
of
San
Rafael,
Vista
Chino,
being
such
major
corridors
and
in
the
new
maps
you
know
cutting
it
sunrise
district
3.
We
really
did
believe
vassilis
Palma,
so
Las
Palmas
movie
colony
mirador.
You
know
those
are
concentrations
of
some
of
the
more
expensive
homes,
but
we
also
have
the
similarities.
We
have.
N
You
know
two
of
our
major
parks,
Ruth
Hardy
and
sunrise
and
schools
that
people
have
in
common
district.
Four
and
five
I
would
go
through
until,
although
we
haven't
decided,
but
one
thing
that
really
hit
me
in
the
Middleton
test.
6B
map
is
and
I
didn't
really
think
about
until
I
heard
more
over
the
last
week,
especially-
and
some
tonight
is,
if
you
look
at
the
Crawford
one,
you
know
it
looks
like
that's
all
connected.
N
They
look
like
they're,
both
all
connected,
but
you
can't
get
from
andreas
Hills
East
without
going
up
and
around
right,
there's,
there's
sort
of
that
mountain
issue
and
other
things
there.
So
when
we
look
at
the
demography
of
it
and
the
things
we
heard
from
folks,
I
can
see
the
reason
most
of
the
maps
had
the
split
down
sunrise.
N
You
can't
get
from
you
know
those
neighborhoods
to
arabi
Cove
and
those
neighborhoods
to
the
east,
so
that
was
sort
of
the
thinking
there,
but
we
heard
folks
there
were
you
know
these
community
meetings
happen
in
schools,
including
in
Spanish.
We
had
at
the
Palm
Springs
High
School.
We
got
input
about
schools
and
how
people
felt
they
wanted
to
be
grouped.
So
there
was
so
much
various
input
on
all
these
factors
that
really
led
to
these
two
maps
that
we
see
in
front
of
us.
N
N
C
B
You
mr.
Kotkin
mr.
mayor
members
of
the
City
Council
Jim
priests
best
best
and
Krieger,
yes,
I
would
echo
mr.
Levitz
comments.
Mr.
Coggins
comments
as
well.
We
have
looked
at
these
maps.
We
believe
that
they
are
in
compliance
with
the
CVRA,
both
letter
of
the
law
and
the
spirit
of
the
law.
It
does
also
comply
with
the
federal
Voting
Rights
Act
in
order
to
make
sure
that
these
districts
are
as
equal
as
possible.
B
That's
one
of
the
major
factors
and
then
deviations
allowed
for
things
like
communities
of
interest,
which
we've
been
talking
a
lot
about
this
evening,
natural
topic,
coal
and
other
boundaries
within
the
city,
making
sure
that
these
districts
are
as
compact
as
we
can
make
them,
while
still
ensuring
that
you
know
the
neighborhoods
are
preserved
and
all
that.
So
our
opinion
is
that
these
maps
are
compliant
CVRA
and
fer.
A.
O
Going
to
make
this
quick
I,
don't
think
district
1
is
under
debate
by
anyone
at
this
point,
but
one
last
thing
I
want
to
point
out
in
both
desert
Highland
gateway
and
to
muth
Park.
We
have
neighborhoods
that
are
immediately
adjacent
to
small
manufacturing
and
light
industrial.
That
is
another
community
of
interest
that
they
have,
and
that
has
most
particularly
become
more
poignant
as
cannabis,
cultivation
and
distribution
is
tending
to
concentrate
in
those
areas.
M
I
mean
they're
so
close
at
this
point,
but
I
think
that
I
think,
although
it
had
a
sort
of
controversial
launching
I,
think
Middleton
test
6b,
d2,
d3,
swap
also
known
as
r2d2,
probably
is
the
best
refinement
of
all
the
other
maps.
We've
been
considering
over
the
last
few
weeks,
so
I'm
going
to
move
that
we
move
forward
with
Middleton
test
six-speed
d2
d3
swap
as.
L
M
P
I
mean
I,
think
I
mean
because
I
haven't
run
all
the
exact
numbers
yet,
but
I
do
think
at
this
point.
Adding
the
two
coops
would
take
your
deviation
above
potentially
10%
I
think
we
can
do
the
desert
AIDS
project
for
sure,
so
where
the
current
neighborhood
boundary
is
and
then,
as
the
neighborhoods
continue
to
develop,
we
can
be.
You
know,
revisit
this
issue
in
two
years
there.
L
M
L
P
Think,
given
that
those
two
coops
probably
have
the
bulk
of
those
390
people
that
that
would
put
about
you
know
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
300,
of
those
390
into
district
3
or
into
district
2,
which
would
take
that
number
over
and
how
would
get
into
big
changes
in
the
math
to
balance
that
out
and
I
think
we
can
revisit
that
issue.
Perhaps
I
don't
even
know
if
there
will
be
an
election
in
these.
P
M
P
L
L
M
M
P
P
N
M
N
So
Jessa
can
I,
so
the
record
is
really
clear
because
you
have
to
be
clear
tonight
on
a
map
and
maybe
the
city
attorney,
what
the
changes
to
the
map
in
the
motion,
which
is
middleton
test
6b.
What
are
the
specific
changes?
Because
we
have
to
be
very
clear
in
the
record
tonight
or
it
throws
off
the
timeline.
So
what.
N
P
P
P
C
Mr.
mayor
I
apologize
for
intruding,
it's
possible.
We
may
not
have
an
NDC
representative
here
on
December
10th,
which
is
when
we're
contemplating
coming
back.
I
just
want
to
have
dr.
Leavitt
state
for
the
record
that
he
is
a
hundred
percent,
confident
that
there
will
be
a
demographic
balance,
as
required
with
the
change
that's
being
proposed
in.
C
M
M
M
C
D
D
D
B
The
other
meeting,
though
we
have
the
17th
for
the
interviews
of
the
Planning
Commission.
We
have
I
believe
13
applicants,
so
that
will
take
several
hours,
but
for
the
HSP
be
we
have
at
this
point
for
applications
and
measure
J.
We
have
believe
11,
so
we're
looking
at
about
two
and
a
half
hours
and
any
date
that
all
councils
available.
We.
B
B
A
A
N
N
N
A
To
make
it
very
clear
to
you
know,
you
know:
I
really
feel
badly
when
we
have
to
Turk
anytime.
We
have
a
meeting
I
I
mean
one
of
my
job's
is
to
keep
this
meeting
under
control
and
follow
the
rules
and
I
can't
make
exceptions,
for
we
can't
make
exceptions
for
anyone,
so
I
feel
sort
of
badly
when
I
have
to
tell
people
is
to.
A
C
A
You've
got
me
fairly
well
trained
so
far,
mr.
Pelley,
all
right,
so
there
any
other
items,
I
think
Mayor
Burton
was
ready
to
adjourn
so
seeing
none
other.
The
council
will
adjourn
to
the
next
regular
meeting,
Wednesday
December,
the
fifth
2018
at
six
o'clock
p.m.
in
the
council
chamber
at
City
Hall,
preceded
by
a
closed
session
in
the
small
conference
room.
Do
we
know
what
time
that.