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A
Please
place
your
hand
over
the
your
heart
repeat:
the
Pledge
of
Allegiance
I
pledge
allegiance
to
the
flag
of
the
United
States
of
America
and
to
the
Republic
for
which
it
stands,
one
nation
under
God
indivisible
with
liberty
and
justice
for
all.
Thank
you
please
be
seated
city
clerk.
Would
you
please
do
a
roll
call
councilmember.
C
A
Thank
you.
This
is
a
special
meeting
and
we
only
have
one
item
on
the
agenda
tonight,
which
is
to
provide
direction
regarding
draft
maps
for
voting
district
boundaries
for
a
city
council
district
based
electoral
system
pursuant
to
Elections
Code,
section
1:
zero,
zero
one
zero,
since
this
is
somewhat
of
a
unique
situation,
unique
meeting.
A
D
A
E
Mayor,
thank
you
and
I
want
to
begin
by
thanking
everyone
in
the
public
in
Palm
Springs
I,
from
everything
that
we
have
heard
from
folks
who
have
been
through
this
process
multiple
times
no
surprise
to
us,
but
with
great
pleasure.
The
communities
in
Palm
Springs
have
truly
gotten
involved.
We
had
more
Maps
submitted
than
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge
came
from
any
other
city
and
in
many
cities
there
there
were
not
maps
prepared
by
members
of
the
public,
but
only
by
the
professional
demographer.
E
So
to
everyone
who
submitted
a
map,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
and
I
know.
I
may
miss
somebody
who's
in
the
audience,
but
I
see
mr.
Barrett
mr.
Freedman
mr.
Crawford,
who
all
submitted
maps.
Is
there
anyone
else
in
the
audience
who
I'm
mr.
Dubey
excuse
me
who's,
who
actually
submitted
a
map
to
us
again.
Thank
you
to
everyone,
including
to
mr.
prale,
who
contributed
amount
to
us.
We
saw
an
interest
throughout
all
of
our
communities.
E
We
had
over
25
meetings
that
have
taken
place.
We
had
a
work
group
that
gave
over
600
hours
to
this
process.
We
committed
back
in
April
that
we
were
going
to
do
our
best
to
demonstrate
that
Palm
Springs
was
an
inclusive
community
and
the
Palm
Springs
was
going
to
be
a
community
that
was
going
to
make
this
process
work
and
I
think
we
have
made
good
on
that
promise.
I
can
certainly
say:
I
am
glad
that
we
are
getting
close
to
the
finish
line.
E
E
A
I
got
in
fifth
grade
geography,
so
with
that
what
we
are
going
to
do
this
evening
is
take
the
five
finalists
maps
and
get
down
to
one,
maybe
two
maps
that
we
will
work
from
I,
don't
think
anyone
who
has
looked
at
any
of
the
maps
has
come
away
and
said:
oh,
my
gracious.
That
is
a
perfect
map
and
I,
don't
think.
At
the
end
of
this
evening
we
will
get
to
a
perfect
map.
E
What
we
hope
to
get
to
is
the
one
two
maps
that
we
know
that
we
can
over
the
next
two
weeks
and
all
we
have
is
two
weeks
on
November
29.
We
must
finalize
with
no
further
modifications
what
the
last
map
is
going
to
be
if
we
can
get
down
to
that
last
one
or
to
this
evening
and
have
some
fairly
clear
concepts
of
what
all
of
us
on
City
Council
like
what
concerns
we
have
when
it
comes.
E
We
may
like
map
X,
but
we
don't
like
how
neighborhood
Y
is
treated
in
that
map
or
we
don't
like
how
this
part
of
town
is
treated,
but
we
do
like
how
some
other
part
of
town
is.
If
we
can
get
those
kinds
of
things
clear
in
our
minds,
then
over
the
next
two
weeks
we
will
have
the
opportunity
with
the
city
clerk
and
with
the
professional
demographer,
and
let
me
point
out
Justin
here
and
thank
him
for
all
of
his
work.
E
Thank
the
city
clerk
for
his
and
the
city
attorney,
who
all
this
has
been
a
team
effort.
So
with
that,
I
would
like
to
begin
with
asking
the
working
group
to
come
up
and
make
their
presentation
and
I
hate
to
do
this.
But
I
would
like
all
of
us
before
the
working
group
begins
to
to
take
a
moment
of
silence
in
respect
for
Judy
camp.
The
wife
of
one
of
the
members
of
the
working
group,
Stephen
Moses,
who
unexpectedly
passed
away
last
year,.
E
F
It
II
counsel,
my
name
is
Tobias
wolf
I'm,
one
of
the
co-chairs
of
the
working
group.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
before
you
again,
I'm,
going
to
be
relatively
brief
and
I'm
gonna
make
some
opening
remarks
and
then
turn
it
over
to
my
colleague,
ed
doobie,
the
working
group.
Since
we
last
came
before
you
and
and
spoke
with,
you
has
continued
to
meet
on
a
weekly
basis
and
we
have
been
participating
along
with
Anthony
in
the
community
outreach
and
engagement
efforts.
F
Members
of
the
working
group
have
actually
staffed
or
organized
each
of
the
community
engagement
events
that
you
have
listed
in
your
staff
report
and
they
have
been
fantastic
events.
I've
only
been
able
to
attend,
I
think
one
of
them
myself
because
of
having
this
job
on
the
East
Coast.
That
demands
my
attention
sometimes,
but
my
colleagues
have
been
staffing.
Every
single
one
of
these
and
I've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time,
speaking
with
a
broad
cross-section
of
members
of
the
community,
seeking
as
much
input
from
them
as
possible.
F
It's
been
a
very
rich
and
exciting
effort,
as
has
been
true
throughout
all
the
work
that
we've
been
doing.
Part
of
the
purpose
is
instrumental
in
this
exercise
of
figuring
out
the
map
drawing
tasks.
The
part
of
it
has
also
been
for
the
purpose
of
creating
those
bonds
of
trust
and
creating
those
relationships
in
these
communities
that
we
hope
gonna
continue
forward
as
Palm
Springs
enters
a
new
phase
of
its
civic
political
relationship.
F
We
think
that
they
are
the
two
strongest
maps
and
we
spent
a
fair
amount
of
time
trying
to
balance
all
the
different
species
of
input
that
we've
been
getting
and
and-
and
these
are
the
two
that
we've
come
up
with.
We
also
wanted
to
ask
if
you
would
to
take
the
do
be
to
map
out
of
consideration
among
the
five
that
you're
looking
at
you're.
F
Gonna
have
to
do
some
narrowing
down
of
options
and
Edie
can
speak
to
this
a
little
bit
more,
but
this
was
really
a
map
that
was
created
for
the
purpose
of
just
seeing
what
it
would
look
like
to
have
districts
that
all
run
east-west
for
purposes
of
beginning
to
wrap
our
minds
around
the
various
different
options.
If
you
look
at
the
map
on
a
piece
of
paper,
it's
a
kind
of
visually
interesting
map.
F
We
think
that
it's
the
least
successful
of
all
the
maps
when
it
comes
to
advancing
the
multiple
goals
of
the
CVRA,
and
so
we
think
it's
an
easy
first
one
to
take
out
of
consideration.
That
would
be
our
recommendation,
and
the
last
thing
I'll
say
is
that
we
are
looking
forward
to
having
the
opportunity
to
work
with
you
all
further
on
the
other
items
in
the
working
group
report
that
we
submitted
that
relate
to
barriers
to
service
in
city,
government
and
barriers
to
running
for
office
and
city
government.
F
These
are
all,
of
course,
a
very
integrated
part
of
the
exercise
that
we're
going
through.
For
now,
all
of
our
attention
is
focused
on
maps,
because
that's
the
only
thing
that
we
can
do
in
this
very
moment,
but
when
you
all
are
ready
to
turn
your
attention
to
the
other
items
on
the
working
group
report,
we
are
going
to
be
ready
to
assist
you
in
whatever
way
we
can
and
with
that.
F
G
Hello,
everybody
I'm
ed
doobie
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me.
Let
me
just
reiterate:
we
very
strongly
urged
that
you
take
the
doobie
to
map
out
of
consideration,
since
that
was
my
map.
I
have
no
difficulty
asking
you
to
do
that.
The
dilution
factor
that
is
applied
there
is,
we
feel
very
severe
in
terms
of
achieving
the
goals
of
the
CVR.
A
work
group
I
realize
that
it's
very
hard
to
see
these
maps.
You
have
hard
copies
in
info.
You
can
zoom
in
okay.
G
Let
me
walk
you
through
real,
quick,
because
I
know
you
were
here
until
very
late
last
night
and
I
don't
want
to
keep
you
here
any
longer
than
you
need
to
be
for
the
Crawford
map.
What
we
did
is
we
reconnected
neighborhoods
that
had
been
separated,
so
the
Upper
West
Side
has
been
rejoined,
basically
moving
the
southern
part
from
district
to
district
one.
We
reconnected
the
gene,
autry
neighborhood
to
the
east,
move
that
from
district
1
to
district
2,
so
those
have
sort
of
balanced
out.
G
We
moved
El
Rancho,
Vista
estates
based
on
public
commentary
from
district
1
into
district
2,
which
then
gave
us
room
within
the
total
population.
Balance
go
back
up
to
reconnect
the
Whitewater
Club
in
district
1,
which
is
on
the
northeast
corner,
and
the
final
thing
that
we
did
to
the
Crawford
map
was
we
reconnected
the
El
Mirador
neighborhood,
so
that
it
is
completely
contained.
We
had
to
reconnect
it
and
put
it
in
district
2
because
of
the
total
population
balance
between
the
districts.
G
G
The
little
parcel
the
orange
parcel
that
represents
the
whole
census
track
because
that
threw
us
above
the
dilution
factor
target
that
we
had
set
of
know
no
more
than
then
2%
3%
of
50/50
split.
There
are
some
modifications
that
still
have
to
be
done,
which
we
require
the
sentences,
the
people
that
actually
do
the
census
maps,
because
we
ourselves
cannot
change
those
maps.
That
would
be
such
things
as
around
the
white
water
park.
G
You
can
see,
there's
little
pink,
pink,
slivers
that
represent
north
of
Moroni,
I
believe
and
to
the
east
and
the
Northern
Road
in
gene
autry
and
the
Eastern
Road
of
desert
Park.
It's
nothing
that
I
could
change
those
or
will
have
to
be
done
by
this
census
group.
If
we
switch
to
the
agave
map
real
quickly.
G
The
agave
map
had
more
changes.
Here
again
we
in
the
first
District
we
reconnected,
the
Upper
West
Side,
we
reconnected
gene
autry,
we
moved
the
El
Rancho
Vista
States,
we
reconnected
the
Whitewater
Club,
and
then
we
started
to
deal
with
other
problems
that
had
been
brought
to
our
attention.
We
reconnected
the
whole
movie
colony
East.
Here
again
that
was
like
when
we
changed
el
mirador
in
the
Crawford
map,
we
could
only
reconnect
that
and
put
it
in
district
3
because
of
the
10
percent
deviation
between
the
total
populations
of
the
district's.
G
We
move
some
more
to
east
of
the
airport
and
you
included
it
in
district
4.
We
squared
up
as
you
can
see,
we've
made
that
the
districts
were
more
compact
around
the
airport.
We
reconnected
Sunrise
Park
in
this
map.
The
southern
portion,
which
will
be
the
college
of
the
desert,
was
reconnected
with
sunrise
park.
We
reconnected
gateway
the
part
that
south
of
the
airport
above
DeMuth
parks,
so
that
that
neighborhood
is
complete
and
intact.
We
reconnected
the
park
to
DeMuth
bark,
the
muth
Park
Park,
to
Duluth
Park
neighborhood.
G
What
we
could
not
do
is
we
could
not
reconnect
the
sunrise
park
to
the
sunrise,
Park
neighborhood
only
because
the
census
track
keeps
sunrise
Park
connected
to
the
high
school
and
Gateway,
which
is
part
of
the
Gateway
neighborhood,
so
that
ISM
is
we'll
have
to
talk
to
the
Census
Bureau
to
help
us
with
that
one.
And
finally,
we
brought
the
agave
map
all
the
way
down,
so
it
connected
the
Lauren's
Crossley
district,
which
we
had
been
urged
to
do
in
almost
all
of
our
public
hearings
and
with
that
I'll
hand
it
back
over
to
you.
G
E
A
H
Good
evening
mayor
moon,
Mayor,
Pro,
Tem,
Roberts
and
council
members,
my
name
is
David
Friedman
I'm,
a
member
of
the
president
of
the
indian
canyons
neighborhood.
First,
I
would
like
to
thank
council
force
its
strong
commitment
to
public
input
and
carrying
out
the
districting
process.
As
councilmember
middleton
noted,
I
was
one
of
the
many
who
submitted
maps
following
review
of
the
five
shortlisted
maps.
I
prefer
the
Prell
map
for
the
following
reasons.
First,
it
creates
specific
communities
of
interest
for
all
five
districts
and
reflects
informal
neighborhood
coalition's
that
have
already
developed.
H
District
1
includes
the
communities
along
the
city,
edge
districts,
2
and
3
contain
the
court
hillside
areas
west
of
Palm,
Canyon,
Drive
district
4
group,
some
of
the
neighborhood's
affected
by
airport
noise
and
district
5
covers
the
neighborhood's
potentially
affected
by
golf
course.
Conversions,
including
my
own
little
Beverly
Hills
neighborhood,
should
also
be
included
in
district
5,
as
it's
close
to
bel-air
greens.
H
Second,
each
of
the
districts
contains
commercial
area
that
can
be
contained
by
weekend
champions
by
a
councilmember
district
1
as
the
shopping
centers,
the
intersection
of
Gene
Autry
and
Ramone,
as
well
as
the
industrial
areas.
In
the
DeMuth
Parkin
Desert
Highlands,
Gateway,
Estates
neighborhoods
and
near
the
freeway
in
the
north
end
of
the
city
districts,
two
three
and
four
have
parts
of
the
downtown
and
uptown
business.
Two
extras
and
district
5
contains
the
Smoketree
shopping,
centers
and
car
dealerships,
long
east
Palm,
Canyon
Drive.
H
Third,
it
has
few
divisions
of
organized
neighborhoods
and
those
are
easy
to
resolve.
That
being
said,
I
note
that
mr.
Crawford's
map
is
the
best
of
the
five
in
creating
majority-minority
district
by
citizen
voting,
age,
population,
district
1
and
thus
achieving
one
of
the
core
goals
set
by
Council.
If
mr.
Crawford's
map
for
district
1
could
be
combined
with
the
best
features
of
mr.
Prez
map
for
districts,
2
to
5,
that
I
just
mentioned,
and
then
there
would
be
strong
communities
of
interest
for
each
of
the
five
districts
and
having
just
seen
councilmember
Middleton's
map.
H
A
I
Dawn
Barrett
from
the
warm
sands
neighborhood,
as
I've,
expressed
in
various
portions
of
these
round
tables
about
the
maps
that
my
main
concern
is
about
commonality
and
housing
composition.
Warehousing
combination,
composition,
closely
reflects
the
socio-economic
differences
and
ethnic
differences
that
are
great
that
brought
the
and
that
initially
brought
the
issue
up.
I
find
that
housing,
if
we,
if
we
consider
mobile
home
parks,
apartment
houses
and
smaller,
older
or
less
expensive
homes,
that
a
district
districts
that
contain
those
homes
are
more
likely
to
reflect.
The
socio-economic
concerns
of
the
ethic
concerns
previously
brought
up.
I
I
find
that
the
pro
map
is
the
closest
to
meeting
that
in
my
concerns,
I
am
concerned
that
some
portions
of
the
neighborhood's
south
of
the
Ace
Hotel,
the
mobile
home
parks
down
there
are
in
with
another
type
of
housing.
But
it's,
but
having
worked
on
developing
a
map,
I
see
that
it's
hard
to
hard
to
fit
everything
into
what
you
would
like
them
to
fit
in.
I
A
J
Thank
you
for
everybody's
hard
work
on
this.
This
is
amazingly
complicated.
I
wish
I
had
more
time
to
really
dive
in,
like
other
people
have
obviously
done.
I
can
express
my
concern
about
of
the
Pearl
and
the
Smoketree
maps
that
create
more
or
less
a
big
money
district
and
the
cost
of
running
in
those
districts.
J
I
realized
that
the
point
of
this
is
to
you
know,
make
sure
we
create
a
minority
majority
district,
but
you
know
there's
several
ways:
we
can
dice
and
slice
all
this
data,
so
you
know
if
we
can
avoid
you
know
creating
a
place
where
it
could
cost
up
to
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
run
for
office.
That
would
be
helpful.
Okay,
I
realized.
J
That
part
of
that
problem
too,
though,
is
that
Main,
Street
and
other
organizations
are
concerned
about
keeping
the
business
d'être
together
in
all
kindness
business
districts,
don't
vote,
it's
the
citizens
who
may
own
those
stores
who
do
vote
who
live
in
other
districts
and
finally,
I
just
would
like
a
confirmation,
because
Lisa
and
I
have
had
this
conversation,
okay,
that
what
we're
doing
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
is
not
set
in
stone
forever.
This
is
based
on
2010
census
data.
I
think
we
could
all
agree.
J
J
So
you
know
this
is
not
set
in
stone
forever
and
we're
not
stuck
with
decisions
made
tonight.
It
is
flexible
based
upon
the
way,
the
city
changes
and
if
somebody
could
confirm
that
I'd
be
really
happy
just
for
the
purposes
of
who's
in
the
audience
tonight
and
who's
watching
via
video.
Thank
you
thank.
K
K
One
I
really
like
the
idea
of
this
of
the
map
coming
from
a
citizen
of
our
community
I
support
what
theater
was
trying
to
accomplish.
These
are
the
historical
events
here
in
Palm
Springs
and
finally,
what
I
like
about
the
demographic
data.
If
we
use
the
citizen
of
voting
age
population
which
I
know
goes
back
a
number
of
years,
so
we'll
hope
that
that's
improved,
you
do
have
a
50/50
split
between
in
District,
one
between
the
non-hispanic
white
and
the
minority.
K
So
it's
a
majority
minority
situation,
the
NGC,
a
gobby
map
does
that
as
well
brings
it
to
5050
what
I
think
is
important
that
parity.
If
we
then
look
at
the
number
of
votes
we're
talking
about,
if
we
move
that
50%
to
51%
I'm,
now
the
non-hispanic
white
number
going
up,
I
Eve
minority
going
down
I
estimate
based
on
citizen
of
aged
population,
that
each
1%
could
be
30.
Minority
votes.
K
So
if
we're
really
serious
about
that
being
a
key
premise
watch
out
for
those
percentages,
because
I
would
hate
to
find
out
on
a
day
after
election
that
somebody
in
district
1
in
the
minority
community
lost
by
25
votes,
and
we
had
purposely
tweaked
it
to
take
2%
away,
which
would
be
50
or
60
votes.
I'm.
Just
calling
that
to
your
attention,
I
would
think
you
two
would
be
a
bit
saddened
or
chagrined
the
day
after
that
election
I
know,
I
would
be
given
again
the
premise
that
that's
very,
very
important.
L
L
I
would
prefer
racket,
club
West
and
the
area
surrounding
Indian
and
Frances,
where
the
Sunnyview
villas
are
in
the
Parkwood
and
the
future
lower-income
homes
that
are
going
to
be
asked
and
Rafael
in
India
I
believe
there's
a
underrepresented
population
there.
None
of
those
communities
are
in
a
neighborhood
organization
and
they're
not
getting
any
representation
at
all.
So
that's
and
those
are
my
last
thoughts
Thank.
A
E
E
E
E
Much
the
original
and
we
can
spend
a
lot
of
energy
debating
some
of
the
modifications
most
of
them
have
to
do
with
trying
to
preserve
neighborhood
boundaries,
as
example
on
the
original
theater
Crawford.
The
gene
autry
neighborhood
is
divided
into
two
districts
that
neighborhood
would
like
for
to
be
held
together
and
the
portion
that,
in
the
original
map
that
was
going
into
district
1,
is
disproportionately
minority
as
compared
to
the
portion
of
the
gene
autry
neighborhood.
E
That
is
left
in
district
2,
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons
why
the
citizens
of
voting
age
percentages
went
from
50%,
non-hispanic
white
up
to
52
in
some
of
the
modified
versions.
There
were
a
couple
of
other
changes,
but
most
of
what
was
happening
in
those
modifications
was
just
simply
trying
to
hold
neighborhoods
together,
and
we
can
go
back
and
forth
an
awful
lot
on
a
individual
neighborhood.
E
Something,
though
that
I
think
is
incredibly
important
and
should
not.
We
should
not
lose
sight
of,
is
at
DeMuth
Park
meeting
with
largely
Filipino
community.
We
heard
in
that
community
meeting
overwhelming
support
for
the
Crawford
map
because
of
district
1
and
wanting
to
be
together
with
other
communities
of
low
income
individuals
of
color.
E
We
heard
that
at
coyote
run
with
a
largely
Latino
population,
and
we
heard
that
a
desert
Highland
Gateway
with
a
largely
african-american
population,
so
for
the
question,
do
these
communities
at
the
north
and
east,
north
east
and
south
ends
of
our
town
want
to
be
together
in
a
district?
They
said
yes
and
I.
Think
that's
something
that's
incredibly
important
in
terms
of
what
they
said
for
many
individuals.
E
We
also
got
a
lesson
in
some
of
those
meetings
that
the
legacy
of
section
14
still
lives
in
that
individuals
who
lived
in
section
14
either
went
north
or
went
east
when
they
were
removed,
and
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
they
didn't
still
continue
to
connect
with
one
another
in
churches,
in
shopping,
among
families
and
in
other
kinds
of
connections.
So
to
that
question,
is
there
a
community
of
interest?
I
think
we
can
very
much
say
with
district
1
the
crawford
map?
There
is
incredibly
strong
support
for
that
in
the
communities.
E
That
would
be
represented
within
that
district
and
so
I
I
think
that's
something
that
truly
comes
through
as
you
get
into
other
parts
of
the
city.
There
were
a
lot
of
other
comments
that
we
can
go
back
and
forth
on
the
neighborhoods
to
north
of
Vista
Chino,
largely
north
of
Vista,
Chino
and
south
of
San
Rafael.
Certainly
I
attended
to
identify
with
one
another
neighborhoods
along
the
west
side
of
the
airport
tended
to
identify
with
one
another.
There
I
want
to
thank
mr.
E
E
M
M
You
mayor
just
a
few
comments
and
thank
you,
everyone
for
the
work
and
all
the
maps
that
were
submitted
in
the
comments
today,
I
think
from
throughout
the
process.
Last
time,
as
we
narrow
down
maps,
I
think
the
subcommittee
and
similar
to
what
we've
heard
from
the
public
you
know
was
drawn
to
the
Crawford
map.
M
If
you
look
at
or
district
four
and
five
meet,
how
it
sort
of
uses
111
as
the
split,
so
it
added
melody,
ranch
and
tahquitz
into
district
four,
so
that
was,
you
know,
sort
of
seemed
like
a
logical
split.
So
it's
just
something
that
I
wanted
us
to
look
at
as
we
do
that,
because
then
every
district
is
touching
on
111
and
one
of
the
things
you
know
we've
been
looking
at.
M
In
addition
to
all
the
many
issues
that
were
raised
by
folks
tonight,
is
you
know
major
roads
right,
you
know
sunrise
Vista,
Chino
111
as
natural
boundary,
as
we
look
at
the
topography,
which
is
one
of
the
areas
we're
supposed
to
be
looking
at
as
we
do
this.
So
you
know
having
some
flexibility
in
the
south
part
is
a
little
more.
What
I'm
looking
at
then
the
north
part
two
comments
from
one
of
the
speakers.
I
do
want
to
address
the
idea
of
you
know
and
some
maps.
M
Some
of
the
wealthier
areas
are
together
and
well.
I
think
you
can
make
either
argument
right.
You
know
split
those
up,
but
then
you
end
up
have
people
who
can
sell
finance
running
in
three
districts
and
that
may
not
be
ideal
either
and
so
we're
looking
at
communities
of
interest,
and
that
may
be
a
community
of
interest.
So
I,
don't
you
know
I
think
we
have
to
factor
that
in
as
we're
looking
at
this
is
working
at
the
housing
element
as
we're
looking
at
the
other
factors.
M
These
maps
are
good
until
the
next
census
and
we'll
get
that
data
sometime
in
2021,
and
the
idea
is
then,
hopefully,
if
these
are
working,
you
adjust
them.
You
don't
have
to
start
totally
from
scratch.
You
know
you
just
them
based
on
population,
so
we
definitely
would
like
to
get
it
right
now.
But
yes,
there's
flexibility
to
make
adjustments
in
not
that
many
years.
So
that
is
an
important
point.
M
These
maps
are
not
going
to
be
exactly
like
this
in
ten
years,
but
I
think
if
you
look
at
other
places
that
do
that
have
gone
to
districts
or
have
been
districts
a
long
time,
they
tend
to
sort
of
build
that
community
where
and
tend
to
build
organizations
tied
to
it.
So
you
don't
want
to
make
wholesale
changes
unless
there's
a
real
problem.
You
want
to
adjust
them,
but
obviously
a
census
data
will
be
what
it
is.
M
Ideally,
my
understanding
and
I
just
want
to
confirm
with
our
attorneys
is
we're
trying
to
avoid.
In
addition,
we
want
we'd
like
to
keep
as
many
neighborhoods
together
as
possible,
and
most
of
these
do
a
really
good
job
of
that
is.
We
want
to
avoid
splitting
census
tracts
unless
we're
really
stuck.
Is
that
that's
my
understanding
of
the
advice
we've
been
given
so
I
want
to.
Yes,.
B
N
C
N
So
I
want
to
start
by
kind
of
reiterating
the
point
that
we
have
a
census
coming
up
in
two
years
and
with
that
census
later
this
year,
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
will
have
an
opportunity
to
suggest
to
the
census
where
new
census
block
divisions
should
be
drawn,
and
so
this
problem
is
temporary,
literally
I.
Don't
think
the
census
considered
in
2010
how
many
districts
and
how
many
cities
would
be
switching
to
district
elections,
and
since
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
is
more
or
less
kept
together
in
congressional
district
and
other
district
maps.
N
This
has
become
an
issue
when
we
look
at
this
as
a
local
elections
question
now.
You
know
that
doesn't
help
us
right
now,
but
I
think
looking
toward
the
future.
A
lot
of
these
problems
are
very
temporary
and
I
want
to
emphasize
that
in
terms
of
actually
splitting
census
blocks.
The
issue
is
that
it
could
present
a
potential
legal
challenge
if
that
block,
having
been
moved
or
having
been
split,
could
result
in
district
popul
deviations
above
that
10%
threshold.
The
court
allows
and
that
that's
really
the
source
of
this
challenge.
N
And
if,
if
you
mean,
if
that's
if
that
is,
for
example,
the
only
way
to
create
a
plan
that
is
acceptable
to
the
council,
we
could
look
into
that.
But
we
have
to
literally
count
in
that
place
house
by
house,
using
2010
housing
figures,
aerial
photographs
to
the
extent
possible
what
that
percentage
divide
would
be
in
terms
of
the
population.
We
cannot
make
any
assumptions
about
the
racial
composition
or
the
demographic
composition
of
those
blocks.
We
simply
equally
or
proportionally,
split
that
population
between
the
two
districts.
This
could
also
affect
your
Voting
Rights
Act
issues.
N
If,
for
example,
you're
splitting
a
census
block,
that's
Porsche
that
partially
is
in
district
one
in
one
of
these
maps,
and
so
for
that
reasons
we
generally
recommend
holding
off
until
the
next
census.
When
we
can
put
these
new
lines
in
place
to
ensure
that
we
have
block
lines
that
follow
your
neighborhood
boundaries.
E
That
area
there
is
one
extremely
large
census
block
and
we
have
two
very
distinct
neighborhoods
within
that
large
census
block
and
it's
very
difficult.
While
we
can
identify
clearly
on
the
map,
which
is
which-
and
we
may
even
know
anecdotally
what
the
racial
and
ethnic
compositions
tend
to
be
within
those
two
neighborhoods.
That's
not
what
the
law
allows
us
to
do
in
terms
of
how
we
would
allocate
numbers
within
those
two
places.
D
So
I'm
sitting
here
with
five
maps
in
front
of
me
and
it's
a
little
bit
mind-boggling
I,
have
to
again
thank
the
working
group
and
my
colleagues
on
the
subcommittee
because
I
get
blurry
a
little
after
a
little
while
trying
to
make
sense
of
these,
but,
more
importantly,
trying
to
solve
every
problem
and
every
time
someone
steps
up
to
the
microphone
and
makes
me
aware
of
another
balanced
problem.
It
throws
me
off
councilman
Middleton
your
your
test
map
very
much
favors.
D
The
map
that
I've
always
been
drawn
to,
which
is
the
detour
Crawford
map
one
one
of
the
issues
with
that
map.
That
concerns
me
a
little
bit
is
that
El
Mirador
gets
cut
in
half
if
I'm
reading
this
correctly
in
the
Middleton
test.
Five
and
I
should
also
admit
to
you
that
I
care,
because
that
would
be
my
district.
E
D
N
You
exactly
what's
going
on
here:
councilmember
Middleton,
90%
of
the
population
of
El
Mirador,
is
in
district
3
in
the
test
map.
5,
there's
that
little
tiny
bit
to
the
very
West
End
that
would
require
splitting
a
census
block,
that's
population!
Is
it
in
the
area
that
doesn't
have
a
neighborhood
on
the
west
side
of
El
Mirador
for
contiguity
just
to
show
you
districts
that
actually
have
one
piece
and
not
broken
up
into
two
I've
put
that
block
into
the
district
two
on
the
test
map.
N
E
D
L
Yet
the
area
I
was
referring
to
is
the
El
Rancho
Vista
estates
and
then
the
corner
of
gene
autry
there.
But
what
really
takes
it
from
50
to
52
or
53
percent
on
all
the
different
maps?
Is
the
whitewater
Club
as
you
look
at
all
the
different
maps
on
the
Middleton,
the
whitewater
Club
as
well,
is
in
district
2
or
it's
in
district
1
instead
of
district
2.
If
you
look
on
the
original
dieter
Crawford,
the
section
of
the
whitewater
club
is
still
industry.
I'm.
D
E
Whitewater
club
will
ultimately
incorporate
all
of
the
land
that
includes
the
sarena
Park
neighborhood,
and
so,
if
we
do,
what
dieter
is
suggesting
and
have
whitewater
club
in
district
2
and
there's
a
very
some
very
good
reasons
for
doing
that,
we
will
potentially
ultimately
split
the
sarena
Park
neighborhood,
but
that
neighborhood
does
not
exist
today.
So
it's
it's.
Certainly
if,
if
we're
gonna
make
some
changes,
I'm
very
comfortable
with
that
change,
okay,.
D
Let
me
ask
the
subcommittee
we
seem
so
close.
So
is
our
goal
to
get
down
to
two
maps
that
get
that
are
similar,
that
we
can
tweak?
What
do
I
mean?
Can
we
get
to
one
map
tonight
so
because
so
far
I
mean
I
yeah
Middleton,
five
with
a
few
tweaks,
seems
to
take
in
the
very
best
of
some
other
maps
that
I
liked
I.
M
But
we
have
to
approve
that
night.
So
working
with
what
we've
heard
work
looking
at
the
housing,
other
demographic
information
we've
heard
and
try
and
use
those
two
as
a
base
to
get
a
map.
Okay,
so
I
have
a
getting
it
input
on
those
two.
If
people
are
good
with
that
and
then
the
subcommittee
of
work
and
obviously
we
have
to
work
quickly
because
we
want
to
get
this
out
with
the
next
agenda,
not
just
at
the
council
meeting
and
so
so
we'll
work
over
Turkey.
So.
D
D
You
councilman
I
I'm.
There
I
think
that
somewhere
between
Crawford
one
and
Middleton
five
were
we're
really
close
and
I
would
be
very
comfortable.
Sending
these
back
to
the
subcommittee,
narrowing
them
down
and
less,
but
I
feel
that
we
need
consensus
on
on
the
maps
that
we
send
back
so
can
I
take
our
survey
or
where
are
we
all
know.
D
C
The
original
one
I
get
a
look
at
this
at
3,000
feet,
so
I
don't
get
a
be
on
the
weeds
as
much
as
the
working
group,
but
I
think
that's
a
valuable
perspective
that
those
of
us
who
aren't
on
the
working
group
bring
so
I
looked
at
and
sort
of
the
polling
that
the
working
group
got
from
all
of
the
comments,
everyone
that
commented
and
gave
preferences
and
the
informal
sort
of
ballots
that
that
were
taken
and
it
seemed
like
the
the
winners.
The
top
three
were
the
crawford,
the
Prell
and
the
Smoketree.
C
So
those
are
the
three
that
I
had
picked.
I'm
have
some
questions
from
the
for
the
working
group,
so
is
it
the
working
groups
recommendation
that
it's
the
Crawford
modified
and
the
agave
modified?
Is
that
your
recommendation
to
Council,
since
those
are
the
ones
you
presented
to
us
tonight
and
are
in
this
packet?
Is
that
accurate?
If
anyone
wants
to
answer
that
or
if
the
subcommittee
can
answer.
G
Yes,
the
intent
of
the
modification
was
to
reconnect
the
neighborhoods
that
were
split
like
Upper
West
Side,
that
we
heard
those
comments
time
and
time
again.
That's
why
the
modification
was
done.
I
realized
that
the
dilution
factor
does
get
tweaked
by
a
good
2%
when
we
do
that,
but
that
was
within
the
original
task.
The
the
our
mission
statement
to
begin
with
in
terms
of
keeping
neighborhoods
together.
That's
why
we
did
it.
Thank.
C
G
The
agave
map
the
different-
if
you
look
at
the
southern
tier
on
both
the
agave
and
the
Crawford
map,
it
offers
a
very
clear
dichotomy
between
the
southern
boundaries.
Whether
or
not
you
would
split
the
districts
along
sunrise
and
111
or
you
you
do
it
along
the
the
water
long
talk
with
screech
and
pumpkin
and
wash
those
were,
but
that's
the
trade-off
for
you
do
to
debate.
Ok,.
C
B
Quick
comment
on
whitewater,
the
top
section,
which
is
included
in
Crawford.
One
is
going
to
be
surrounded
by
senior
housing
and
it's
got
a
very
low
income
trailer
park.
The
section
that's
whitewater
is
going
to
be
single-family
and
higher
price
point
housing,
so
the
separation
of
those
two
when
it
does.
If,
if
you
did
that,
when
it
did
come,
when
it's
built
out,
it
wouldn't
create
a
it,
wouldn't
create
a
problem
and
in
fact,
they're
going
to
be
two
different
economic
areas.
C
Here
it
is,
thank
you,
I
lost
it.
I
live
in
Sonora
Sun.
We
have
kind
of
wear
different
hats
here,
but
as
we're
talking
about
communities
of
interest,
I
live
in
Sonora,
sunrise
and
I
think
that
Smoketree
more
accurately
depicts
and
includes
the
communities
of
interests
there
and
I
heard
that
from
my
neighbors
and
different
community
members
of
you
know,
we
have
to
be
really
thoughtful
about
how
we're
grouping
that
south
end
so
I
think
that
there's
more
work
to
be
done
there
and
I.
C
C
I
do
agree
and
I
had
just
included
that
for
a
public
conversation
about
a
different
type
of
model,
different
type
of
map
than
we
are,
including
because
I
wanted
to
hear
back
from
the
public
and
kind
of
put
that
against
the
wall
and
see
what
came
back
but
I
do
strongly
believe
that
we
should
not
pick
the
doobie
Matt
because
it
doesn't
meet
our
priorities
and
so
I
I.
Would
support
picking
the
Crawford
one,
the
original,
the
Lisa,
the
Middleton
test?
Five?
C
This
is
the
first
time
I'm,
seeing
it
right
now,
so
I
don't
feel
comfortable
picking
it
as
one
of
the
top
two
I
think
it
should
be
included,
but
I
think
that
for
the
public
we
still
need
to
wrap
their
heads
around
it
and
and
see
it
and
I
know
we.
Can
we
don't
have
a
certain
number
that
we
have
to
pick
tonight.
We
just
have
to
whittle
them
down
to
be
able
to
pick
one.
C
So
maybe
that's
okay
for
us
that
we're
picking
we
heard
from
the
community
quite
clearly
that
the
Crawford
original
is
the
top
one
for
lots
and
lots
of
people,
and
then
we
also
include
the
Middleton
I
think
that
I
would
be
okay
with
that,
but
I,
just
if
I've
just
seeing
this
now
and
trying
to
comprehend
it
I
think
that
the
community
would
want
more
time
to
do
that
as
well,
including
this
map.
That
makes
sense
so
I
think
that's
a
good
recommendation.
A
However,
I
think
any
of
them
would
work
well,
because
when
we
talk
about
one
or
two
percentages
on
a
certain
demographic
and
there's,
so
many
different,
you
know
involved
here
that
and
the
data
is
so
old,
but
I
don't
think
one
or
two
percentages
is
really
that
accurate
of
a
difference
B
and
because
of
those
those
factors
and
I
also
think
that.
Well
you
know
this
map
is
going
to
be
used,
probably
in
one
election,
because
by
the
time
the
new
election,
the
next
election
comes
along.
We're
gonna
have
a
lot.
A
A
I
would
tend
to
look
at
seriously
because
lease
has
been
involved
in
this
up
to
her
neck
since
the
very
beginning,
so
she
probably
has
got
a
lot
of
good
factors
in
here
that
I
haven't
had
a
chance
to
analyze.
Yet
so
I
think
peter
won
or
dieter
or
Crawford
Warner,
Crawford
modified
or
the
or
the
Middleton
test
map
would
all
be
good
choices.
E
If
I
could
just
on
the
test
map
that
I
did
and
it
it
wasn't,
finished
this
week,
which
and
it's
number
five,
because
it
was
the
fifth
version
that
was
worth
actually
sending
to
the
demographer
and
asking
them
to
test
it.
The
other
four
hundred
forty-four
versions
that
I
never
sent
to
the
demographers
are
somewhere
in
this
stack,
but
what
I
was
trying
to
accomplish
with
those
is
connecting
all
of
the
neighborhoods
that
we
could
possibly
connect
to
the
best
of
my
knowledge.
E
Only
the
Upper,
West
Side
neighborhood
is
split
on
this
map
and
that's
split
where
they
were
acceptable
with
that
split
along
San,
Rafael
Drive
and
it
Laura.
It
is
based
on
the
Crawford
map
we
and
the
smoke
tree
maps,
Crawford
mapped
the
northern
end
of
town
and
the
smoke
tree
map
to
the
southern
end
of
town.
M
You
mayor
I
think
the
other
thing
that
councilman
Middleton
was
working
on
and
then
I
think
whatever
we
do,
if
assuming
there's
consensus
on
this
piece
is
to
keep
as
many
neighborhoods
together
without
splitting
census,
tracts
and
that
creates
challenges
but
I
think,
given
the
advice
we've
given
work,
that's
something
we're
trying
to
do
in
this
process.
So
it
does
pose
some
challenges
to
do
exactly
what
we
want.
I
don't
want
to
put
too
much
stock
and
I
appreciate.
M
You
know
there
could
be
a
whole
or
a
whole
lot
of
projects
that
are
approved
up
north.
That
will
not
be
built
before
the
next
time.
We
do
this
and
if
we
based
it
on
some
projects
that
are
now
ten
years
old
and
we're
still
waiting
on
it
could
be.
You
know,
I
don't
want
to
base
things
on
what
might
happen,
and
you
know
if
we
have
a
recession,
none
of
those
are
getting
built.
So
I
just
think.
M
I
have,
and
it's
probably
legal
question,
and
we
have
lawyers
here
and
Jim
priest
who's,
our
outside
counsel,
who's,
a
specialist
in
this
is
here,
so
the
public
will
get
some
more
time
with
these
maps.
There's
not
a
lot
right,
because
it's
the
way
the
time
frame
works
on
this
council
we'll
have
some
more
time.
With
these
maps.
We
can't
talk
to
the
rest
of
council
before
the
next
meeting.
M
But
is
there
a
way
for
people
and
we
don't
if
we
I,
don't
really
need
to
know
who
can
get
us
comments,
so
we
know
what
they
are,
so
we
can
take
those
things
into
consideration,
whether
what
we
bring
through
or
does
that
can
only
happen
tonight.
What's
that,
what's
the
best
mechanism
to
try
and
get
that
information,
Thank.
O
You
mr.
mayor
members
of
the
City
Council,
if
people
want
to
submit
comments,
one
way
to
the
council
through
email
etc,
that's
perfectly
fine.
They
can
just
provide
that
information
to
the
council
and
if
you
would
please
consider
that
it
becomes
the
dialogue,
there
becomes
an
issue
under
Brown
Act
and
things
like
that.
The
subcommittee
can
also
you
know,
meet
with
individuals
and
discuss
proposals
with
them
as
well.
M
M
E
C
So
then,
right
cuz,
that's
sort
of
the
argument
for
for
only
picking
those
two
dieter
Crawford
one
and
Middleton
test
five,
because
when
so,
when
do
we
make
those
changes?
How
can
I,
as
a
council
member
who's,
not
on
the
subcommittee,
go
away
and
look
and
see
and
make
changes
to
the
map
before
the
next
meeting?
And
the
next
meeting
is
a
public
hearing
correct
when
we
decide
the
map.
C
So
then,
there's
also
restrictions
for
me
on
a
public
hearing
item
right
that
we're
sitting
in
a
quasi-judicial
role,
deciding
I'm
kind
of
concerned
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
we
should
do
right
now
and
getting
in
the
nitty-gritty
of
the
lines
and
the
neighborhood's
in
the
census
tract
which
doesn't
seem
appropriate
and
to
delve
into
here.
But
how
can
I
give
that
feedback
and
really
review
that
in-depth
since
I'm,
not
part
of
the
subcommittee.
O
What
could
happen
is
I
mean
we
could
perhaps
route
ideas
through
staff
and
have
staff
do
a
one-way
communication
out
to
the
council.
But
again
there
would
not
be
this
dialogue
and
ongoing
communication
between
council
members.
There
may
be
a
way
we
can
structure
that,
possibly
mr.
Mejia
do
you
think
there's
a
way
we
could
do.
I
was
just
curious.
B
So
I
work
closely
with
the
subcommittee
if
they
end
up
having
a
merging
of
the
maps
and
then
they
have
a
new
map
to
be
proposed.
Could
I
then
meet
with
the
individual
council
members
to
go
in-depth,
looking
those
those
issues
and
then
get
their
feedback
and
and
I
I'm
gonna
interject?
The
short
answer
is
no.
You
can't
have
a
wagon
wheel
as
a
conversation,
and
you
can't
be
the
hub
of
that
wheel.
I'm
sorry.
C
So
and
then
I
have
another
question,
so
are
there
noticing
requirements?
It
sounds
like
the
subcommittee
committee
is
gonna,
go
back
and
make
some
changes,
talk,
look
at
the
specific
boundaries
with
the
neighbor
hood,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
give
the
pipe
if
we
make
changes
to
that,
we're
posting
it
and
giving
people
enough
time
to
really
review
it.
Instead
of
you
know
coming
before
and
having
a
new
map
to
decide
that
night.
O
C
B
D
B
E
D
C
Thank
you,
I
agree.
I
would
just
ask
the
public,
especially
the
people
whose
Maps
these
are
and
who've
been
really
working
hard
on
a
lot
of
these
issues.
Please
give
us
comments
when
you
can,
it
doesn't
have
to
be
at
the
public
comment
portion
of
the
meeting,
we'll
just
forward
them
to
the
city,
clerk
and
they'll
be
added
to
our
agenda
and
the
public
materials,
but
we
really
do
want
to
hear
from
you.
We
want
to
get
your
feedback.
These
are
the
this
is
the
time
to
do
it.
C
We
only
have
about
a
week
or
two,
so
please
happy
to
get
that
feedback,
and
let
us
know
all
of
your
comments
and
how
they
apply
to
these
maps.
That
would
be
really
helpful.
Now
that
we've
looked
at
a
lot
of
different
maps
and
gotten
a
lot
of
comments,
just
if
you
have
specific
ones,
please
please
let
us
know,
because
we
want
to
hear
from
you.
Thank
you.
Do
you
have
a
comment,
grace
sure
I.
B
Didn't
have
one
earlier,
but
now
that
everyone
has
been
talking,
I
have
one.
So
one
of
the
my
concerns
is
I
know
we
want
to
keep
community
groups
together,
but
as
I'm
looking
at
these
these
maps,
we
have
to
remember
that
there
are
a
lot
of
communities
who
are
not
involved
in
the
community
groups,
and
some
of
them
are
specifically
left
out.
B
We
know
that,
for
instance,
in
the
El
Mirador
area,
there's
a
bunch
of
apartments
there
I
don't
know
if
I'll
mayor
doors
reached
out
to
them
or
not,
but
they're
not
included
in
that
area,
and
we
also
have
that
in
some
of
the
the
trailer
parks
in
the
north,
and
then
we
also
have
communities
like
Jim,
Youth,
Park
and
taco.
It's
River
estates,
where
we
know
that
residents
in
those
neighborhoods
have
tried
to
get
involved
with
those
community
groups
in
different
ways
and
have
a
lot
of
resistance
and
have
had
a
bad
experiences.
B
B
C
Thank
you.
That's
a
really
important
point.
I
meant
to
make
it
as
well
our
our.
So
thank
you,
our
our
different
goals,
conflict
in
different
ways,
and
we
have
to
be
really
intentional
about
that.
A
lot
of
these
neighborhood
boundaries
were
said
a
long
time
ago.
There
might
be
other
about
barriers
to
people
participating.
I
personally
have
never
attended.
My
1ps
neighborhood
meeting
there
frequently
during
working
hours,
or
there
are
other
barriers
for
some
people
to
participate.
So
we
just
have
to
be
really
really
careful
one
PS.
C
We
want
to
make
sure
every
neighborhood
that
can
be
together,
but
we
don't.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
to
be
intentional
about
if
that's
taking
away
from
some
of
our
other
interests
and
values
like
diversity,
equity
and
inclusion.
So
thank
you.
That's
a
really
important
point
and
I
want
us
all
to
be
thinking
about
that,
and
that's
kind
of
the
comments
I
want
to
know
is
how
these
maps
compare
on
those
values
and
if
you
have
recommendations
about
that,
thank
you
and.
A
A
Dr.
Reddy
or
mr.
Cochran,
do
you
have
any
comments,
any
other
staff
ready
to
go?
Okay,
seeing
no
other
comments.
The
City
Council
will
adjourn
to
the
next
regular
meeting.
Wednesday
November
28
2018
is
6
o'clock
p.m.
City
Council
Chambers,
City
Hall,
preceded
by
closed
session,
small
conference
room,
Happy
Thanksgiving,
and
we
are
adjourned.