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From YouTube: Planning Commission | Jan 12 2022
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City of Palm Springs Planning Commission Study Session, held January 12th 2022
D
C
C
They
denied
it
because
it
was
two
stories.
It's
been
changed
to
one
story:
the
recommendation
to
approve,
subject
to
conditions
from
aac
from
staff.
B
Okay,
so
if
it's
denied
and
they
changed
it
shouldn't
it
go
back
to
aac.
C
E
C
I
think
we're
all
in
favor
there
are
no
there's
with
no
opposition.
Okay.
At
this
point,
we
are
at
public
comments.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
planning
commission
on
consent,
calendar
and
other
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
or
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter.
Jurisdiction
of
the
commission.
Please
note
that
the
planning
commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
on
an
item
that
is
not
listed
on
the
post
posted
agenda.
C
D
Yeah,
madam
chair,
we
do
have
one
direct
request
with
our
department
to
speak
at
the
meeting.
Mr
everett
ackerman
is
our
first
speaker
before
we
get
into
the
public
comments.
I
would
just
note
that
the
city
did
receive
four
letters
from
neighbors
relative
to
items.
Three
a
and
three
b.
Those
items
have
been
forwarded
to
the
planning
commission
for
consideration,
but
if
there's
anyone
else
who
would
like
to
speak
for
either
those
items
or
the
items
that
the
chair
has
announced
now
is
the
appropriate
time.
D
G
Thank
you.
I
guess
everyone
can
hear
me,
I'm
trusting
that
I
would
I'm
questioning
4b
on
the
miralon
project.
On
october
10th
october,
19th
of
2021,
I
had
a
very
small
judgment
that
I
won
as
a
plaintiff
against
them.
It's
around
three
thousand
dollars.
I
question
their
ability
to
continue
the
project
and
be
a
good
developer
if
they
can't
pay
a
three
thousand
dollar
bill
and
I'm
a
little
upset
that
it's
taking
this
long
and
I'm
sorry
on
belaboring
planning.
G
But
you
have
to
know
what
kind
of
people
you're
dealing
with,
and
this
is
all
evolving
around
a
fugitive
sand
issue
from
2018
and
finally
with
covet.
I
finally
got
a
court
date
and
the
court
on
october
19th
of
this
year
ruled
in
my
favor
and
I
haven't
received
the
funds
from
mural
line.
So
I
question.
H
I
am
not
sure
I
guess
you
can
hear
me.
I
think
our
camera
has
been
been
muted,
the
yeah,
let's
start
with,
we.
H
Okay,
great,
we
may,
we
may
be
late
to
the
table.
You
know
we,
we
got
the
information
that
the
property
behind
us
on
west
chino
canyon
was
up
for
consideration
the
plans
and
we
got
the
the
new
plans
recently
which
took
the
structure
from
two
story
to
one
and
we
weren't
aware
that
would
be
moving
toward
consent
or
approval.
So
I
guess
we
are
late
to
the
party
accurate.
A
D
So
yeah
so
that
item
has
been
moved
to
consent,
but
if
you
have
any
other
comments
that
you
would
like
the
commission
to
consider
now
it
would
be
the
appropriate
time.
I.
H
Think
we
were,
we
were
pleased
to
see
that
we
were
out
of
the
country
for
a
few
months
in
ireland,
got
back
and
got
all
the
correspondence,
and
we
were
happy
to
see
that
the
structure
had
been
moved
from
a
two
story
to
a
one.
We've
we've
been
living
down
here
for
about
seven
years.
We've
had
the
property
to
the
west
of
them.
I
believe,
and
we're
happy
to
see
a
move
to
a
one-story
structure.
H
We
know
very
little
about
the
the
code
and
limitations
here,
but
we're
at
least
happy
to
see
that,
and
we
were
sitting
in
today
to
just
become
you
know,
a
little
more
informed
about
the
project
itself.
But
if
it's
moved
to
consent,
does
that
mean
plans
have
been
approved
and
they're
moving
on
to
the
next
stage.
D
So
this
is
generally
not
the
time
where
we
do
interactive
or
respond
to
questions,
but
once
public
comment's
over,
I
can
address
your
question.
Okay,
cool.
D
Okay,
no
problem
thanks
all
right.
Next
speaker
is
joseph
burke.
I
I
I'd
live
directly
across
the
street
from
the
two
proposed
houses
to
be
built
on
two
of
the
five
lots
owned
by
the
developer.
These
lots
were
never
offered
individually
for
sale
but
sold
only
as
of
the
five
together.
As
I
learned
when
I
inquired
about
buying
one
back
in
2013.,
I
just
read
a
recent
architectural
advisory
minutes
concerning
the
proposed
house
in
little
tuscany
located
at
2100
tuscan
road.
This
is
a
house
of
2500
square
feet
to
be
built
on
a
hillside
lot
of
22
000
square
feet
without
any
setback.
Variances.
I
There
was
a
unanimous,
enthusiastic
recommendation
from
the
architectural
committee
on
this
proposal
with
chairman
jakeway
calling
it,
and
I
quote,
an
instant
classic
other
commissioners
called
it
a
beautiful
house
with
wonderful
scale
and
a
wonderful
home.
Alas,
no
one
will
be
calling
the
proposed
houses
at
310
and
322
crestview
instant
classics.
I
After
two
denials
by
architecture,
the
committee
seemed
to
want
to
get
this
matter
off
their
plate
and
kick
the
can
down
the
road
to
planning.
This
happened
only
after
mr
jakeway,
a
firm
opponent
of
the
designs
put
forward
by
the
developer,
had
to
recuse
himself
at
the
last
final
architectural
meeting
due
to
a
business
conflict.
His
description
of
the
proposed
houses
characterize
them
as
being
quote
mismatch
of
the
home
design
with
the
site
conditions.
I
Unquote,
nothing
has
been
done
to
correct
the
obvious
incompatibility
since
located
on
a
dead
end
street
in
a
quiet
neighborhood.
These
two
houses
offer
no
quote
harmonious
relationship
with
existing
developments.
The
mesa
has
an
extremely
varied
architectural
style.
Crestview
is
no
different.
These
houses
are
both
proposed.
Houses
are
both
too
similar
to
each
other
and
too
large
to
blend
in
or
in
you
of
that
offer
an
interesting
and
imaginative
addition
to
our
neighborhood.
I
I
remain
deeply
troubled
by
the
misinformation
and
misrepresentations
by
the
developers
exhibited,
but
not
limited
to
the
false
placement
of
the
houses
in
his
latest
renderings,
where
the
house
boundaries
do
not
come
close
to
aligning
with
the
story
poles.
It
should
be
no
surprise
by
now
that
the
renderings
show
the
houses
with
much
less
mass.
I
Please
take
the
time
to
study
the
letter
to
the
planning
commission
submitted
today
by
the
neighborhood
signed
by
21
neighbors,
which
details
a
lot
of
our
complaints.
I
believe
the
neighborhood
deserves
better
from
this
builder
and
his
architect.
The
proposed
first
two
houses
of
of
five
will
be
built
on
the
last
large
undeveloped
parcel
in
the
mesa.
We
have
an
opportunity
and
an
obligation.
I
feel
to
get
this
right,
give
us
instant
classics
using
the
site
appropriately
and
build
to
complement
and
add
to
our
diversity.
B
A
D
A
My
family
is
a
recent
purchaser
and
owner
of
320
west
el
camino
way,
which
is
right
near
the
3a
3b
crestview
lots
on
a
neighbor
of
ours,
jim
dunn,
stopped
by
the
other
day,
and
I
guess
we're
kind
of
new
to
the
area.
So
we
were
uninformed
as
to
what
was
going
on
and
he's
bringing
us
up
to
speed
and
we've
looked
at
at
least
some
of
the
stuff,
but
just
within
the
last
two
days
this
week
is
all
we've
had
to
look
at
it.
A
D
J
Oh
hi,
there
it's
neil
mclennan,
I'm
a
signatory
to
the
letter.
That's
been
referenced.
This
is
with
respect
to
3a3b
and
I
won't
take
long.
I
just
have
a
discrete
point
that
I
I
wanted
to
at
least
raise
and
have
on
the
record,
and
it
concerns
what
will
probably
be
considered
the
environmental
impact
of
these
houses.
I
don't
know
what
it
is.
J
I
don't
know
if
there
will
be
anyone,
but
I
do
think
it's
something
that
should
be
before
the
commission
and
at
least
be
reviewed
and
decided
whether
or
not
that
is
an
aspect
that
has
been
satisfied
or
should
be
satisfied.
This
is
a
discretionary
project.
J
This
is
undertaken
by
a
third
party,
a
developer
in
this
case
you're
the
permitting
agency
of
record-
and
I
think
it's
appropriate
that
you
consider
that
these
five
lots
being
developed
by
a
developer
should
undergo
at
least
a
certain
level
of
scrutiny
with
respect
to
hydrology,
considering
that
this
cantilever
is
into
a
wash
and
wildlife
as
well
with
respect
to
this
being
in
a
relatively
active
wildlife
area.
J
I
appreciate
that
everybody
who's
building,
a
their
dream
house
say
in
sunrise,
should
not
have
to
go
through
an
onerous
environmental
review
or
even
a
a
light
environmental
review,
but
this
is
the
oldest
neighborhood
in
the
entire
city.
This
is
one
of
the
few
neighborhoods
that
goes
up
the
mountain,
it's
one
of
the
wildest
neighborhoods
in
the
environment
in
the
entire
city,
and
it's
one
that
the
vast
majority
of
houses
would
have
been
constructed
well
predating
any
enacting
of
california's
environmental
laws
and
the
ones
that
were
developed
after
that
have
been.
J
J
I
don't
know
if
these
two
houses
and
then
two
later
are
going
to
be
a
problem,
but
I
do
think
it's
something
that
a
developer
would
want
to
frankly
do
at
this
stage
to
avoid
any
future
challenges,
and
if
those
environmental
assessments
are
done
and
everything's
good.
That's
an
issue:
that's
checked
off
for
me
in
favor
of
this
there's.
Obviously
other
issues
and
I've
signed
the
letter,
but
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
for
the
record.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
E
Hi,
this
is
jim
dunn
and
I
live
on
ridge
road.
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
couple
of
comments.
First
of
all,
I
wanted
to
express
appreciation
to
noriko
and
to
the
developer
and
by
the
way
this
is
on
3
and
3b,
also
for
coming
out
and
doing
a
walk
through
on
the
story
polls.
E
I
appreciate
that
you,
as
the
commission,
required
that
at
the
last
meeting
it
was
helpful,
I
think,
for
us
to
get
an
understanding
of
the
footprint
of
the
project,
and
I
would
look
at
making
these
types
of
walk-throughs
a
standard
practice
going
forward.
I
think
it
creates
an
opportunity
for
the
developer
and
the
neighbors
to
speak,
because
this
was
really
the
first
time
that
happened.
E
Moving
on.
I
think
I
have
a
better
understanding
conceptually
of
the
project,
but
I
can't
support
it
at
this
point,
because
the
renderings
to
me
are
are
still
unclear.
They
don't
appear
to
match
up
with
the
story
pulse,
so
we'd
like
to
see
that
addressed.
Also,
there
are
conditions
that
are
outstanding
that
were
left
over
from
arc
such
as
landscaping
and
now
the
peers,
I
noticed
in
the
staff
report,
are
conditioned
to
go
back
to
piers
when
arc
actually
had
moved
away
from
peers
and
into
the
supporting
wall
structures.
E
The
neighbors
did
bring
up
a
point
today
about
kind
of
a
hardening
of
the
structures
against
homeless,
encampments
and
such
things,
because
there
is
some
activity
that
takes
place
in
that
canyon,
so
the
different
construction
could
potentially
affect
that
in
a
positive
way.
So
I
think
what
we're
looking
at
is.
We
would
like
to
see
the
renderings
for
both
options.
If
that's,
if
that's
still
going
to
be
a
discussion
item,
but
in
general,
I
think
the
approvals
need
to
come
after
the
conditions
are
met
rather
than
approving
and
then
putting
conditions
out
there.
E
E
That
was
something
that
was
raised
as
somewhat
serious
and
walking
the
site
today.
It
was
still
a
little
bit
unresolved
as
to
where
the
status
of
that
lays.
So
those
conclude
my
comments-
and
I
appreciate
the
time
today,
thanks.
A
A
C
K
Yeah,
sorry,
I
didn't
see
where
I
need
to
raise
my
hand.
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
yes
hi,
I'm
lucian
wolfe
and
I
live
in
the
top
of
ridge
road.
May
I
speak
yes,.
K
Okay,
previous
owner
of
the
sonny
boner
house,
al
franken
owned
was
wanting
to
buy
these
lots
and
he
was
scared
away
by
the
city
because
of
the
hydrology,
when
we
have
serious
rains.
A
lot
of
the
water
flows
through
310
crestview
and
goes
down
into
el
camino,
and
I
don't
see
any
address
to
the
hydrology
and
the
water
deal
that
flows
down
crest
view
and
I'd
love
to
see
what
they're
going
to
do
with
dealing
with
the
water
they're
going
to
be
allowed
to
go
down.
Crestview
and
all
the
other
houses
deal
with
it.
K
D
Thank
you.
This
is
the
last
opportunity
to
speak.
If
anyone
wishes
to
speak,
please
unmute
your
microphone.
C
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
The
public
hearing
is
closed
for
the
person
who
asked
the
question
as
we're
going
to
the
consent
calendar.
If,
if
item
4a
is
approved
on
consent,
it
will
be
approved
and
we
are
moving
to
the
consent
calendar.
We
have
the
approval
of
the
minutes
from
the
regular
meeting
of
december
8
2021.
C
C
A
C
L
C
F
M
B
C
C
F
Chair,
if,
unless
anybody
objects,
can
we
just
move
to
a
vote
on
this?
This
is
an
extension
of
a
previously
approved
project.
That's
all
it
is.
C
F
C
E
C
Do
I
have
a
sec?
Can
you
call
the
role
please.
L
C
Item
2b
is
the
city
of
palm
springs
for
a
zone
text
amendment
to
amend
chapter
94.05
of
the
zoning
code
to
allow
residential
densities
on
properties
to
have
historically
been
permitted
on
hotel
or
commercial
sites.
The
recommendation
is
to
continue
this
to
a
date
certain
of
february
9th
2020..
F
M
B
L
C
C
If
staff
has
comments
and-
and
things
to
add
to
bring
to
us,
you
may
want
to
do
some
pictures
of
the
story.
Polls.
A
Sorry,
yes,
may
I
open
my
powerpoint
presentation,
which
includes
all
the
pictures
of
the
renderings.
A
F
So
has
anybody
checked
the
accuracy
of
these
polls?
Has
the
city
checked
accuracy.
A
Well,
city
conducted
the
site
visit.
We
do
not
have
any
tool
or
any
device
to
confirm
the
accuracy
numerically,
but.
A
Okay,
well,
the
applicant,
the
team
does
have
an
architect,
so
I
know
that
the
architect
we
hired
as
a
licensed
surveyor
from
foot
motor
engineering
to
go
out
there
and
set
these
stakes
and
we
erected
the
polls.
F
Yes,
I
chair:
I
can't
move
forward
with
these
polls
until
we
know
that
they're
certified
by
somebody.
F
C
I
would
make
a
motion
that
we
continue
this
to
a
date
certain
which
is
our
next
meeting
and
require
certification.
B
Can
I
ask
also
that
the
renderings
be
modified
to
reflect
the
story
pole
locations?
B
I
first
asked
planner
coochie
about
a
certain
rendering
that
indicated
that
the
furthest
west
property
was
behind
the
adjacent
house,
and
the
pole
was
way
out
down
below
the
house
and
instead
of
modifying
the
rendering
they
just
cut
out
the
adjacent
house.
I
I'd
really
like
to
see
it
in
relation
to
the
internet.
That's
not
true.
That's
not
part
of
the
point.
B
C
Take
down
the
your
staff,
your
your
powerpoint
at
this
point
sure-
and
this
is
this-
is
before
the
commission.
We
have
a
motion
and
a
second
hold
on
you've
made.
You've
asked
for
some
additional
information,
which
is
that
the
renderings
match
the
location
of
the
story
polls
right
here.
I'm
asking
for
discussion
on
this
because
I
don't
believe
we
can
take.
We
can
move
forward
on
this
without
the
certification.
C
So
commissioner,
elaine
has
comments.
Do
you
have
more,
mr
hirsch,
before
we
believe
you
well
just
thank
you.
I
would
entertain.
I
would
make
that
part
of
the
motion.
B
When
I've
looked
at
story
poles
in
the
past,
there
was
a
string
that
was
tied
around
the
corners
of
the
building,
so
that
gave
us
a
clear
under
and
they
were
flagged.
They
were
little
flags
on
them
and
that
gave
us
a
clear
understanding
of
the
mask.
I
went
out
there
a
couple
of
days
ago
or
was
it
yesterday
and
there's
a
couple
days
ago.
It
was
really
well.
B
First
of
all,
one
of
the
polls
was
was
knocked
over
and
one
of
the
poles,
the
one
furthest
east
looked
like
it
was
way
out
of
whack
from
where
other
poles
said
the
corner
of
the
building
didn't
line
up
at
all.
B
C
N
N
I
I
think
that
all
that
would
be
beneficial
to
allow
us
and
the
neighbors
as
well
the
picture
where
it
actually
is
being
proposed,
and
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
neighbors
or
whoever
was
who
alerted
us
to
the
fact
that
there
was
a
concern
regarding
the
location
of
the
story
polls
and
the
accuracy
thereof,
because
I
I
had
not.
I
did
not
pick
that
up
visually
other
than
that.
One
at
the
east
end
does
look
a
little
bit
out.
Whack.
F
Well,
I
just
want
to
say
that
story
polls
can
be
deceiving.
They
may
be
perfectly
accurate.
That's
the
entire
point
of
certification,
so
that
we
know
that
they're
accurate
to
the
drawings
that
we've
been
presented
and
that
will
tell
the
whole
story
they
until
they're
correct.
They
can't
be
certified.
C
So
we
have
a
motion
in
front
of
us,
mr
newell,
could
you
read
it
back
to
us.
D
A
B
L
C
Moving
to
3b
hawkins
and
marshall,
on
behalf
of
carmelita
properties,
limited
for
a
major
architectural
administrative,
minor
modification
application
to
construct
a
two-story
3291
square
foot,
single-family
residence
with
a
maximum
building
height
of
25.8
feet
on
an
11
206
square
foot,
hillside
parcel
located
at
322,
west
crestview
drive
coming
to
the
same
question.
I
am
I
correct
that
the
story
polls
on
this
have
not
been
certified.
F
Sure
I
I
mean
my
my
only
concern
at
this
point
is
for
certification
of
the
story
polls.
Others
might
have
other
requests
for
rendering
adjustments
and
so
forth.
C
A
Did
at
the
the
last
arc
meeting
the
rc
I'm
sorry
the
plans
are
reviewed
by
the
arc
on
august
30
s
which
committee
recommended
approval.
Subject,
conditions
depicted
peers
for
both
projects.
F
Chair
the
one
foot
reduction
was
that
a
condition
imposed
by
us
or
by
the
aac.
A
The
recommended
condition
was
included,
adjust
so
that
it's,
it
is
consistent
with
what
the
arc
reviewed
on
august,
30th
and
based
on
the
funds
are
submitted
for
the
planning
commission
review,
the
vertical
height
of
the
lower
portion
of
the
residence
was
actually
absolutely
longer
compared
to
what
the.
D
F
So,
mr
newell,
what
I
understand
you
suggesting,
then,
is
that
the
applicant
will
bring
back
one
foundation
or
the
other
for
this,
and
so
what
we
see
at
the
next
meeting
will
be
whatever
they've
landed
on.
F
C
As
the
maker
of
the
motion,
I
would
prefer
to
see
peers
as
well.
I
actually
would
also
like
to
see
their
landscape
plan,
even
though
that
will
eventually
go
back
to
the
architectural
review
committee.
I
would
actually,
I
would
like
to
see
it
for
both
houses.
D
Yeah,
it's
it's
a
staff.
Has
it
written
down
as
being
essentially
the
same
motion?
The
difference
is
that,
instead
of
showing
the
peers,
as
which
is
required
for
3
10,
the
other
house,
the
preference
is
to
have
peers
in
this
design
as
well.
If
that
is
determined
to
be
feasible
and
then
also
that
the
landscape
plan
would
be
reviewed
by
the
planning
commission
at
the
next
meeting.
C
O
Somebody
can
request
a
motion
for
reconsideration
of
that
item
and,
if
you
guys
agree
to
reconsider
it,
you
can
reopen
that
item
and
add
that
condition
or
standard.
If
you'd
like.
D
We
have
the
maker's
chair
warm
up
and
I
believe
she
was
looking
for
the
second
unless
mr
roberts.
Second,
the
motion.
F
E
B
L
C
And
can
I
recall
the
motion
on
3a,
which
is
310
west
crestview,
to
add
the
landscape
plan.
N
O
Have
a
motion
and
a
second
to
reconsider
the
items,
so
I
would
ask
ms
hintz
to
take
a
roll
call
vote
of
the
commission.
If
a
majority
of
you
agree
to
reopen
the
item
and
reconsider
it,
then
you
can
reopen
that
item
and
make
any
amendments
you'd
like
to
and
then
do
a
new
motion
to
confirm.
A
The
the
first
says
chairwoman
second,
is
commissioner
lillian.
C
B
B
F
C
D
So
the
other
items
are
to
certify
the
story.
Polls
provide
certification
of
the
story.
Polls
provide
a
string
tied
from
poll
to
poll
to
to
further
show
the
massing
of
the
project
regarding
the
renderings
to
show
peers
on
the
project
for
provides
that
we're
doing
to
show
the
peers
at
the
rear
of
the
residence
and
then
reduce
the
overall
height
by
one
foot,
as
required
by
the
conditions.
L
F
C
A
C
You,
our
next
item,
is
avalon
11,
1150
llc
for
the
approval
of
final
development
plans
for
130
single-family
residential
units
on
a
one
on
a
50-foot
wide
lots
within
the
phase
two
section
of
the
mural
on
development
located
at
801,
sunrise,
parkway,
a
very
short
staff
report.
Please.
M
Yeah,
madam
chad,
may
I
share
my
share
my
screen
real
quick.
Thank
you.
M
M
So
the
scope
of
review
used
for
the
planning
commission
to
review
the
final
development
plans
to
see
if
it
is
in
conformance
or
if
it
is
substantially
incompromised
to
the
preliminary
pdd
that
was
previously
approved
relative
to
land
use
and
development
standards.
M
So
these
final
pd
include
five
different
plants
designated
as
plant
one
plant,
two
plant
three
plant
four
and
plant
five,
each
of
the
floor
plans.
There
are
two
different
floor
plans
with
each
of
them
having
two
elevation
types
designated
as
elevation:
a
and
elevation
b
in
terms
of
the
mass
and
scale
plants.
One
two
and
three
are
all
single
stories
and
plants.
Four
and
five
are
two-story
buildings.
These
buildings
will
range
from
23.03
square
foot
to
2794
square
foot
in
size.
M
M
Now
at
the
top,
you
see
the
two
elevation
types
plan,
one
a
with
color
scheme,
one
and
then
plan
1b,
followed
by
2a,
2b,
3a,
3b,
4a
and
4b;
and
finally,
5a
and
5d.
B
D
M
Okay,
all
right
so,
okay,
so
the
next
slide.
So
the
next
slide
is
just
the
area
of
the
of
the
site
and
its
vicinity.
So
at
the
very
top
here
it's
miralam
project,
and
then
the
next
slide
is
the
overall
site
plan.
Just
real
quick
to
the
very
south
are
the
final
bds
that
you
previously
reviewed
and
actually
under
construction.
M
So
to
the
east.
You
have
woodbridge
homes,
you
have
approved,
44
lots
there,
and
then
to
the
top
of
that
you
have
gallery
homes,
you
approve
70
homes
and
then
to
the
very
south
christopher
homes,
where
you
approve
70
homes
and
then
again
there
is
a
gallery
home.
This
is
the
very
first
set
that
you
approved.
M
Those
are
also
under
construction
and
then
on
the
very
top
area.
4B,
that's
the
very
first
final
pd
you
approved
for
miralon,
and
this
area,
which
is
to
the
south
east
portion
of
the
site,
is
where
avalon
is
proposing.
The
around
30
laws.
M
Again,
this
shows
specifically
where
the
1100-
this
is
phase
two,
so
this
whole
area,
where
you
previously
approved
final
pds,
are
phase
one.
This
is
phase
two
where
avalon
is
proposing
the
130
lots,
and
specifically
these
are
the
lots
they
are
all,
in
conformance
with
the
development
standards,
the
setbacks
and
then
tides.
Those
are
all
income
from
us,
and
these
are
the
two
appliances
I'm
going
to
aggravate
this,
since
you
already
have
a
material
that
contains
all
the
floor
plans
and
the
elevation.
M
C
Thank
you
very
much.
There
has
been
some
questions.
There
have
been
some
questions
raised
that
regarding
the
conformance
of
the
homes
that
are
presented
to
us
with
the
design
guidelines,
and
because
of
that,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
take
people's
comments
on
this
and
then
set
up
a
subcommittee
that
will
work
with
two
members,
probably
of
the
aac
and
our
new
urban
designer
and
edward,
to
work
through
the
conformity
issues
both
of
the
placement
of
the
homes,
the
massing
of
the
homes
and
also
the
conformance
to
the
design
guidelines.
C
So
we
aren't
going
to
be
voting
on
this
tonight.
What
I
would
like
are
your
comments,
and
this
is
not
a
public
hearing
item,
so
it
this
is
before
the
commission
for
comment.
C
And
for
people
to
know
that
we
have
a
new
urban
designer,
but
when
this
came
in
and
also
with
staff
shortages,
this
hasn't
gone
through
that
process
and
so
we're
looking
at
a
process
fairly
close
to
what
we
went
through
for
the
other
maryland
homes
to
review
the
review
conformity
with
with
guidelines.
B
A
B
Flip
through
starting
on
page
23
and
going
through
the
the
the
images
that
were
presented
to
us
as
guiding
the
designs
of
future
houses,
I
I
just
didn't
see
the
relationship
between
what
was
presented
to
us
as
the
design,
inspiration
and
then
the
final
product,
and
I
was
going
to
ask
the
developer.
B
I
I
don't
guess
we
don't
need
to
do
this
tonight
to
point
to
where
their
house
conforms
to
the
image,
because
it
doesn't
and
I'd
be,
very
I'd,
be
very
interested
in
seeing
it
that
it
does
conform
to
the
guidelines
in
a
more
architecturally
robust
way,
because
it
it
I'm
going
to
be
a
little
frank
here.
B
The
the
designs
are
kind
of
clunky
and
they're
they're,
awkward
and
and
and
they
don't
really
speak
to
a
modern
vocabulary
like
the
design
guidelines,
lead
us
to
believe
they
will,
and
I
I
think
it
needs
to
be
more
conformity
to
those
and
I'd
like
to
address
the
issue
of
cost,
because
that
was
that
was
brought
up
way
back.
You
know
I
I've
noticed
that
some
of
these
mural
on
houses
are
now
selling
for
over
a
million
dollars
which
to
me
indicates
it's
no
longer
sort
of
middle-class
housing
or
whatever.
B
You
want
to
call
it
in
terms
of
demographic,
but
it's
but
it's
a
higher
level,
and
that
requires,
in
my
mind,
a
higher
level
of
design
as
well,
and
that's
what
I'll
be
looking
for
when
they
come
back
to
us.
L
I'd
just
like
to
ask
staff:
was
this
reviewed
for
conformity.
M
Yes,
it
was
a
review
on
comedy,
but
then
we
were
waiting
to
take
you
to
the
erc,
where
the
architecture
and
colors
and
materials
will
be
reviewed
in
more
detail.
M
So
the
intent
was
to
put
was
to
present
the
overall
land
use
proposed
and
then
the
development
standards,
and
since
there
were
no
requests
to
make
any
any
amendments
to
the
design
guidelines
or
and
the
landscape
guidelines,
staff
believe
that
it
was
appropriate
to
present
it
to
the
planning
commission
and
then
move
forward
to
the
irc,
where
the
architecture
and
the
landscape
design
will
be
reviewed
in
more
details.
L
M
So,
for
instance,
if
the
applicant
was
requesting
for
a
relief
in
any
of
the
development
standards,
such
as
the
setbacks
or
the
height
or
all
materials
different
than
what
is
required
in
the
design
guidelines
yeah,
the
planning
commission
would
be
the
one
to
make
that
decision.
A
L
L
C
C
I've
seen
other
projects
with
roof
lines
like
this
and
if
you
push
them
together,
the
way
these
projects
are
pushed
together,
they
don't
create
a
harmonious
streetscape.
We
didn't
receive
streetscapes,
we
didn't
receive
we,
you
know
we
would
normally
look
at
what
the
whole
street
looked
like.
We
would
look
at
what
the
golf
course
face
of
the
project
looked
like.
We
would
be
looking
at
the
side
yards
as
well
there's.
C
Position
doing
a
thorough
review
before
it
came
to
us,
so
what
I
would
like
is
a
process.
I've
talked
this
through
with
staff
and
with
the
planner
and
there's
a
process
that
we
can
do,
but
I
my
feeling
on
it
when
I
looked
at
it
as
chair,
and
I
always
review
things-
is
that
we
need
more
and
one
of
the
ways
of
getting
there
is
to
sit
down
and
meet
with
the
architect
involved
and
work
this
through,
so
that
we
get
something.
That's
close
to
the
inspiration
of
the
design
guidelines.
L
L
C
Let's
go,
let's
first
go
through
comments,
and
then
we
can
do
that.
Vice
chair
roberts
had
has
had
his
hand
up
for
a
long
time.
F
Thank
you
my
virtual
hand
is
very
tired.
So
I
very
much
concur
with
the
comments
that
I'm
hearing
about
these
aesthetically,
especially
commissioner
hirschbein
made
some
good
points.
I
agree
that
the
architecture
is
disappointing.
It's
clumsy.
At
best,
we
need
something
more
cohesive.
We
need
better
shapes
that
relate
well
to
each
other.
F
Frankly,
and
being
blunt,
these
look
like
a
house
of
cards
and
they
look
like
they're
falling
down
and
we
need
some
variation
in
color
texture,
better
roof
lines,
better
scale,
these
the
two-story
units
in
particular,
I'm
looking
at
fl
plan
4b
right
now
we
can
do
better.
We
can
do
a
lot
better
and
you
know
good
design
isn't
really
any
more
expensive
than
bad
design.
F
It
just
takes
effort,
and
you
know-
and
I
get
that
this
is
you
know,
developer
product,
but,
as
commissioner
perspine
pointed
out,
you
know
this
isn't
affordable
housing
anymore.
This
is
you
know.
This
is
a
development
that
hopefully
prides
itself
on
the
quality
of
what
they're
developing
these
aren't
anywhere
as
attractive
or
well.
Designed
is
the
initial
houses
in
this
development.
N
My
comments
sharing
any
of
the
concerns
that
I've
heard
go
already.
I'm
not
an
architect.
I
don't
I'm
not
here
to
criticize
architecture,
but
I
even
I
could
notice
that
what
was
promised
in
the
design
guides
was
not
delivered
in
the
package
we
had,
so
I
couldn't
agree
that
it
meets
the
conformity
that
it
conforms
with
the
preliminary
guidelines.
There
are
things
that
were
very
different,
particularly
the
site.
Elevations
are
just
wholly
lacking.
N
What
I
will
say,
though,
in
in
one
area
where
I
think
I
might
differ
from
the
thinking
of
a
couple
of
the
commissioners
heard-
is
that
I'm
not
advocating
for
making
sure
that
this
is
elevated
to
a
truly
fine
and
and
million
dollar
neighborhood.
I
think
that
I'd
love
to
see
homes
that
were
affordable.
N
I
don't
think
that
conforming
architecture
needs
to
be
expensive
architecture
or
expensive
to
build.
I
think
that
there,
if
there
are
ways
to
make
the
designs
conform
with
what
was
presented
in
the
preliminary
and
in
the
design
guidelines
that
was
already
approved
as
ways
to
do
that
and
keep
it
an
affordable
level.
I
would
prefer
to
do
that
rather
than
elevate
the
price
point
so
that
we
continue
to
build
unaffordable
housing.
C
The
the
price
point
I
think,
was
elevated
by
the
sellers.
It
came
to
us
as
a
500,
000
neighborhood
and
it
is
selling
in
the
million
dollar
range.
Commissioner
maroot
see
you
still
have
your
hand
up.
C
It
was
presented
to
us
as
houses
coming
in
at
500
000
and
then
houses
that
I
believe
were
going
to
come
in
at
700
000
they've
they're
coming
in
much
higher
than
that.
C
N
That's
possible
and
I
would
love
whoever's
on
the
subcommittee,
especially
if
it's
working
with
the
architectural
review
committee
to
be
able
to
help
the
developer
work
towards
that.
C
The
my
the
original
committee
before
we
go
there
and
maybe
mr
robertson,
can
help
us
is
it
was
myself
it
was
commissioner
hudson.
It
was
commissioner
lockheer
from
aac
and
there
was
one
person
there
was.
M
A
robert
rodman
and
jacqueline.
C
So
one
of
the
thoughts
I
had
is
that
the
committee
we
would
appoint
would
keep
if
we
could
the
same
members
adding
one
more
person
from
this
committee
who
might
want
to
be
on
it
and
and
work
with
the
urban.
The
person
who's
recently
been
hired
as
chief
planner
or
the
chief
urban
planner
is
that
their
correct
title
flynn.
C
Close
enough
close
enough
okay
and
bring
them
into
the
mix.
C
One
of
the
other
things
that's
happened
with
this
is
that
some
of
the
materials
in
houses
that
have
been
built
have
not
met
the
standard
for
the
environment
that
they're
in,
and
so
I
think,
that's
something
we
would
probably
also
want
to
look
at
and
make
sure
that
when
this
passes
to
the
aac
that
they
take
a
look
at
it,
this
is
a
pd.
So
we
didn't
have
a
clear
standard
flynn.
E
We
don't
have
a
process
codified,
so
we
would
need
to
do
that.
We
do
have
an
opportunity
with
the
upcoming
annual
update
to
the
zoning
code.
L
Just
ultimately,
what
I
was
thinking
is
maybe,
with
this
new
urban
design
person,
it
would
have
been
caught
before
it
came
to
us.
I
just
think
we're
you
know
we're
spending
time
talking
about
this.
If
someone
along
and
staff
would
have
been
able
to
identify
and
say,
this
is
not
even
close
to
any
of
the
original
guidelines
that
were
passed.
C
Right,
that's
partially,
why
we're
having
this
discussion
tonight,
because
my
first
suggestion
as
chair
was
that
we
do
that,
but
I
did
want
to
hear
the
concerns
of
the
commission
and
I
thought
setting
up
the
same
process
with
the
same
subcommittee.
C
We'll
have
other
things
coming
in
in
the
future
from
maryland,
so
that
our
new
urban
urban
design
person
can
then
begin
to
take
that
on
good,
so
that
that's
partially,
why
we're
having
the
discussion
we're
having
I'm
wondering
we
need
one
more
person
for
this.
The
person,
preferably
should
be
an
architect
or
designer
I'm
wondering
if
the
vice
chair
would
like
to
join
us
on
the
subcommittee.
F
Sorry
I
was
muted,
you
know
I
was
on
the
last
two
I'd
like
to
give
my
colleagues
a
chance
to
to
do
this.
Unless
nobody
wants
to
do
it.
C
F
Well,
commissioner,
lane
our
or
mercy
you
have
no
interest
in
working
on
this.
F
Yeah
I'd
suggest,
commissioner:
maruzi
have
a
shot.
These
subcommittees
are
interesting
and
they
help
us
mold.
You
know
they.
They
help
us
mold
policy
in
the
future,
but
so
again,
if,
if
commissioner
murray
wants
to
do
it,
please.
C
C
Commissioner,
rottman
and
chair
jakeway
to
join
us
and
work
with
the
applicant
and
our
design,
and
that
will
be
mr
lyon
on
staff
work
work
together
to
mold
and
review
plans
for
this.
F
Madam
chair,
we
might
have
a
brown
act
violation
with
three
members
of
the
planning
commission
flynn.
Can
you
make
a
call
on
that.
E
M
M
I
thought
I
believe
those
two
are
architects.
I
think
we
only
have
one
landscape
architect
on
the
rc.
That's
mr
tom,
jose.
I
believe.
C
We
can
add,
we
have
two.
Actually,
I
believe.
C
B
B
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
like
to
address
the
architects.
I
think
they're,
probably
still
listening
and
I'd
strongly
recommend.
Looking
at
the
inspiration
pictures
that
were
provided
to
us
in
the
design,
guideline,
booklet
and
model,
their.
B
Architectural
elevations
roof
lines,
treatments
of
windows
and
fenestration
privacy
screens,
all
of
it
on
what's
been
presented
to
us
already
as
the
inspiration
and
and
trying
to
get
more
of
a
one-to-one
correspondence,
and
I
don't
know
if,
in
the
past
we
we
met
with
the
architectural
team
from
maryland
before
they
did
any
revisions,
and
then
they
came
back
and
showed
us
the
revisions.
I
don't
know
if
we
need
to
do
that
this
time.
B
C
Really
good
models
in
with
toll
brothers,
where
they've
done
that
they've
created
beautiful
side
yards
on
50
on
5,
000
square
foot,
lots
and
it
won't
be
as
chunky
as
this.
This
is
also
look
at
the
plans
that
have
been
developed
and
the
use
of
front
front
swimming
pools
on
the
lots
that
that
don't
have
the
easement
on
the
golf
course
to
capture
views,
because
I
believe
from
this
section,
the
views
of
the
mountains
are
really
nice
and
homeowners
would
be
interested
in
accessing
those
when
they're
in
their
pools.
C
C
So
I
have
a
second
with
commissioner
murutsy.
Can
you
call
the
role
please.
M
M
F
C
B
I
have
one
question
for
the
director:
have
there
been
any
sb9
submittals
today
to
planning
commission.
N
A
question
just
for
staff:
I
wonder
if
we
can
get
an
update.
N
D
As
of
right
now,
there
hasn't
been
discussion
of
going
back
to
in-person
meetings
because
of
the
latest
coveted
surge.
So,
unfortunately,
until
we
see
numbers
start
crawling
back
down,
I
think
we'll
plan
on
continuing
the
virtual
format.
N
So,
hypothetically
speaking,
if
one
of
the
commissioners
were
to
say
be
scheduled
to
ride
her
bike
across
the
country,
she
would
be
able
to
or
he
or
she
would
be
able
to
participate
via
zoom
download
the
documents
and
participate
via
zoom
in
march.
Okay,
thank
you.
Yes,
correct.
C
How
exciting
what
wonderful
plans?
Okay,
the
planning
director's
report-
I
think
flynn-
is
still
going
to
do
this
but
flynn.
Will
you
talk
about
your
new
title.
E
Yes,
I
will
so
I'll
be
stepping
into
a
new
role
here
with
the
city
of
palm
springs,
that
of
deputy
city
manager.
I
will
be
transitioning
away
from
my
role
as
development
services
director
over
the
next
month
or
two
in
the
transition
period.
Mr
newell,
as
assistant
director,
will
continue
to
staff
and
lead
planning,
commission
arc
and
hspb
meetings.
E
We
don't
really
have
any
additional
information
in
terms
of
organizational
changes
at
this
point,
but
in
my
role
I
will
continue
to
supervise
planning,
building
engineering,
sustainability
and
we'll
also
add
economic
development.
So
it's
an
exciting
change
for
me
and
appreciate
the
time
that
I've
been
able
to
serve
with
you
all
as
planning
commissioners,
and
so
with
that
begins
a
new
era.
E
H
A
Planner,
will
we
be
able
to
meet
them
or
you
know,
will
they
be?
Would.
E
They
be
introduced
to
us.
You
may
actually
already
know
him.
Mr
ken
lyon,
who
has
been
serving
as
our
historic
preservation
officer,
was
promoted
to
a
principal
planner,
with
the
specific
role
of
being
our
urban
designer,
and
so
I
think
ken
has
been
at
planning
commission
meetings
in
the
past
and
you'll
start
to
see
him
more
frequently
in
the
future.
E
C
Well,
with
that,
are
there
any
is
it?
Is
there
anything
else
in
the
way
of
reports.