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Thank
you,
miss
Hart.
Okay,
now,
do
we
have
a
motion
and
to
accept
the
agendas
published
so
moved
motions
have
been
made
and
seconded
to
accept
the
agenda,
all
in
favor
say
aye
any
opposed,
seeing
none
opposed
the
agenda
is
accepted.
Our
first
item
of
business
is
the
presentation
for
mark
Rios,
Rios,
Clemente,
Hale
studios
on
the
downtown,
Park
and
I
understand.
Mr.
Rios
is
head
to
be
out
of
town,
so
the
presenter
would
you'd
like
to
come
up
and
make.
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Mayor
moon,
council
staff
public
thanks
for
coming
out
tonight
to
learn
more
about
the
ongoing
design
development
of
downtown
park
on
behalf
of
mark
I,
just
want
to
say
he
sends
his
regards
if
family
affair
to
attend
to,
but
he
remains
extremely
passionate
about
this
project.
Unfortunately,
we've
all
been
working
closely
and
so
I'm
delighted
to
be
here
to
both
share
the
feedback
that
you're,
very
enthusiastic
public
gave
to
the
previous
design
work
and
how
that
shaped.
The
conceptual
design
that
you're
gonna
see
tonight
just
want
to
remind
everybody
where
we
are
in
the
process.
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We
were
here
last
week
to
meet
with
your
downtown
subcommittee
to
take
a
get
a
preview
of
this
draft
design
concept
and
tonight
we'll
be
sharing
the
synthesis
of
all
of
the
feedback
on
the
those
design
options
and
how
that
shaped.
A
draft
conceptual
design
going
forward
and
we'll
be
back
in
about
a
month
to
share
a
final
design
which
will
form
the
basis
of
developing
the
design
into
construction
documents.
And
if
everything
continues
to
go
smoothly,
we
can
lead
to
some
construction
next
year,
so
I'm
going
to
begin
by
recapping.
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What
we
showed
you
last
time
and
what
the
feedback
that
we
received
on
that
work
was.
We
showed
three
concept
options.
The
first
one
was
called
common
ground
and
its
story
was
really
rooted
in
Palm
Springs,
as
a
place
of
coming
together,
a
destination
for
gathering
families
and
friends
coming
together.
It's
programmatic
disposition
was
really
about
creating
as
much
flexibility
for
large
events
as
we
possibly
could.
So
there
were
large
lawns
and
plazas
in
the
center
of
the
park
and
its
character
was
you're
more
familiar
or
traditional,
Park
landscape
of
lawn
and
shade
trees.
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The
third
option
that
we
shared
was
called
sculpture
park
and
it
took
its
cues
from
the
history
and
contemporary
role
of
art
here
in
the
desert,
of
course,
being
in
front
of
your
art
museum
adjacent.
That
was
an
important
relationship
and
the
history
and
current
events
like
desert
x,
ways
that
people
are
using
the
landscape
in
in
an
artful
manner
and
whereas
the
other
ones
had
some
of
those
large
flexible
areas
that
were
flat
and
programmable.
This
one
has
more
of
a
sculpted
faceted
landform
character.
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We
were
here,
as
I
said
in
May,
just
in
one
of
the
other
conference
rooms,
we
shared
some
some
fun
exercises
with
you.
We
had
people
building
their
own
parks,
giving
lots
of
feedback
on
different
topics,
and
then
we
set
up
an
online
survey
to
make
sure
we
capture
the
input,
especially
if
folks,
who
might
not
have
been
able
to
attend
the
public
event
and
the
results
were
really
stunning.
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In
two-and-a-half
weeks,
we
got
almost
1400
responses
and
just
to
give
you,
you
know
something
someone
to
compete
with
the
last
one
of
these
that
we
did
was
for
the
city
of
Santa
Monica
for
a
large
park
there,
and
they
only
had
500
people
bothered
to
respond,
and
that's
a
city
that
really
prides
itself
on
its
public
participation.
So
yeah,
you
guys
deserve
a
round
of
applause.
It
was,
it
was
outstanding
and
of
those
1,400
people
over
half
of
them.
In
addition
to
answering
specific
questions
about
the
story,
the
program,
the
character
wrote
some
up.
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Two
essay
lengths
narrative
responses
very
detailed
about
what
they'd
like
to
see
in
the
park,
and
we
read
every
single
one
of
them
and
they
were
really
impressive:
the
geographic
distribution
of
that
feedback.
It
won't
surprise
you,
mostly
in
the
6-2
and
six
four
pumps,
rings
in
North,
Palm
Springs
poor,
but
there
were
responses
up
and
down
the
valley,
and
because
you
have
some
folks
who
spend
some
time
here
and
some
time
elsewhere,
there
were
other
responses
from
around
the
country
and
so
to
recap
the
feedback
that
we
got.
As
I
said.
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The
most
positive
response
was
for
this
story
of
coming
together
of
a
community
coming
together
in
this
place
and
all
of
the
ways
that's
happened
in
the
past
and
in
contemporary
ways
and
festivals,
and
the
role
of
creativity
in
bringing
the
community
together
was
was
very
strongly
expressed.
It
doesn't
mean
that
these
other
themes
have
to
go
away,
but
it
gives
us
a
strong
indication
of
which
should
be
the
the
dominant
storytelling
vehicle.
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The
second
question
of
questions
that
we
had
related
to
programming.
What
do
you
really
want
to
do
an
experience
in
the
park?
We
had
lots
of
great
examples
of
people
that
parks
that
people
made
themselves
and
we
studied
those
to
look
at
for
relationships
and
configurations
that
we
might
not
have
thought
of
and
online
the
overwhelming
favorite.
It's
I
call
it.
The
Goldilocks
effect
folks
really
wanted
a
balance.
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You
know
they
there
was,
you
could
have
all
very
flexible,
but
that
leads
to
not
enough
of
the
more
shady
intimate
spaces
or
you
could
go
in
the
other
direction
and
have
all
highly
programmed
and
specific,
and
that
doesn't
give
you
enough
flexibility
for
the
diversity
of
events
that
you
planning
to
have
in
the
park.
And
so
again
we
have
pretty
strong
support
for
taking
a
middle
ground
approach
of
having
some
spaces
that
lawns
and
plazas
etc.
D
That's
all
extremely
small,
so
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
read
it
so
you're
gonna
have
to
trust
me
on
what
it
says,
but
what
we
did
was
we
did
a
an
analysis
of
all
those
700
responses
to
see
what
kinds
of
themes
emerged.
What
were
topics
that
people
raised
again
and
again
and
again,
and
so
we
just
want
to
hit
on
on
some
of
the
ones
that
showed
up
the
most
and
the
general
tendency
of
what
those
comments
were.
The
first
two
will
be
no
surprise.
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We
didn't
see
a
lot
of
people
asking
for
a
specific
play,
structure
and
you're
kind
of
traditional
park,
playground,
sense
of
kids
and
family,
but
a
lot
of
ideas
about
being
playful.
If
you're
going
to
have
a
water
feature,
let's
make
sure
it's
something
that
people
can
really
enjoy.
Not
just
look
at.
If
you're
going
to
have
a
some
landforms,
let's
make
sure
we
can
kind
of
climb
up
on
them
and
use
them
in
different
ways.
D
She
called
it
the
four
SS,
and
that
became
a
kind
of
touchstone
for
us
as
we
made
each
design
move.
We
said
you
know,
are
we
are
we
true
to
that
feedback?
We
got
into
this
kind
of
voice
from
the
past
that
we
think
is.
We
really
want
to
honor
in
the
park.
So
let's
do
a
little
tour
of
the
the
latest
design
concept.
Many
people
are
likely
to
be
coming
off.
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And
so
we
feel
like,
though,
that
palm
mixed
palm
grove
will
be
a
way
to
to
speak
to
the
larger
landscape
and
that'll,
be
a
foreground.
You
then
see
the
Art
Museum
and,
above
all,
of
that
rising
over
the
whole
park
will
be
the
wonderful
mountain
range
you'll
then
be
able
to
cross
Bilardo
street
and
the
first
element
that
will
catch
your
attention
is
the
forever
Maryland.
D
We
are
recommending
that
if
she
is
to
be
included
in
the
park
that
she
really
belongs
in
she
kind
of
needs
her
own
space,
something
equally
tied
to
the
park
and
to
this
new
redevelopment
along
Bilardo.
So
it's
kind
of
an
expanded
sidewalk
Plaza
that
with
high
visibility
right
for
people
coming
into
the
park
where
they
can
go,
wait
in
line
in
the
under
the
Shady
Grove
to
experience
that
peace
moving
through
the
The
Grove
I
apologize
is
a
little
dim.
D
You
won't
be
able
to
see
some
of
these
things,
but
afterwards,
I'm
gonna
have
the
board's
up
and
I've
got
handouts
for
everybody.
If
you'd
like
to
look
at
it
in
more
detail,
but
there's
a
nice
gateway
in
the
Grove,
where
we
would
like
to
reuse
the
original
Desert
Inn
gates
that
apparently
are
somewhere
here
in
town
and
so
we'd
like
to
get
a
look
at
their
condition.
D
If
the
council
supports
their
inclusion
and
look
at
how
those
could
help
form
a
really
inviting
gateway
through
the
Grove
to
the
heart
of
the
open
space-
and
this
is
really
something
we
think
is
going
to
be
spectacular
for
the
park.
The
two
key
elements
of
it
are
what
we
call
the
spring,
which
is
going
to
be
an
interactive
water
feature,
water,
coming
out
of
a
rock
wall
and
mist
rising
up
around
boulders
on
the
ground,
and
then
a
cloud
canopy
shade
structure
over
an
eco
lawn,
so
families
can
be
arrayed
watching.
D
That's
a
small
outcrop
lifted
up
on
one
side
and
then
an
amphitheater
that
rises
up
to
a
viewpoint
on
the
back
side
and
what
all
of
this
land
form
is
going
to
do
for
us
is
buffer
the
views
of
that
parking
structure,
and
it's
as
we
did
some
view,
shed
analysis
of
the
park.
It
was
really
exciting,
too,
that
the
strongest
way
to
appreciate
the
mountain
range
was
really
kind
of
a
on
an
oblique
like
this.
D
Over
the
art
museum
over
the
illuminator
house,
which
we'll
talk
about
shortly
to
see
it
on
the
bias,
so
you
see
a
kind
of
layering
of
those
foothills
and
the
light
and
shadow
is
really
a
strong
effect,
and
so
we
want
to
draw
people
up
that
small
hill
side
to
view
out
over
the
park
and
to
the
larger
mountain
range
and
then.
Finally,
of
course,
people
can
filter
back
and
forth
to
the
museum
and
then
to
a
corner.
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That's
dedicated
to
culture,
beginning
with
the
illuminator
house,
and
what
we're
calling
an
outdoor
gallery
we'd
like
to
see
some
programming
in
the
park
for
art
and
whether
that's
in
partnership
with
the
museum
or
other
community
partners.
We
think
that's
a
fantastic
opportunity
and
we
know
that
this
adjacent
hotel
may
take
a
while
before
that's
built,
and
so
that's
another
potential
temporary
space
where
art
could
be
incorporated.
D
What
I'm
going
to
do
now
is
just
move
through
three
sections
that
give
you
a
little
more
of
an
experiential
view
of
those
main
areas
of
the
park.
This
first
one
is
a
cut
through
the
grove
you
can
see
Maryland
beyond
on
on
Bilardo.
This
is
a
mixed
grove
of
fan,
palms
and
date-palms
clusters
of
boulders
kind
of
seeps
and
vegetation
with
people
sitting
around
it
right.
There
is
the
desert
in
gates
that
you
would
move
through
again
inspired
by
some
of
those
native
landscapes.
D
So
the
second
section
is
moving
to
the
middle
of
the
park,
and
this
is
where
you
can
see
now
the
parking
structure
on
your
left
there's
still
Main
Street
on
the
right,
and
this
is
that
the
beginning
of
that
land
form
that
outcrop-
and
this
is
our
spring,
where
the
kids
can
play
in
the
water,
and
this
is
that
sloping
lawn
where
you
can
watch
and
go
back
and
forth
and
stay
underneath
this
artful
cloud
canopy.
This
is.
D
D
We're
gonna,
really
study
lots
of
possibilities
for
that,
but
today
we're
really
trying
to
identify
the
right
location
for
that
and
the
degree
to
which
people
agree
that
that's
a
high
priority
for
the
space
and
then
the
third
and
and
final
section
is
now
through
that
event,
theater
and
outcrop
again,
you
have
the
parking
structure.
This
is
that
land
form
that
has
an
amphitheater
edge
and
you
can
take
the
path
to
the
top
and
get
these
tremendous
views.
This
is
the
event
lawn
our
stage.
This
is
our
mini
cloud.
D
The
clouds
are
a
little
wisp
broke
away
from
the
from
the
big
one
to
provide
shade
there
at
the
at
our
stage.
This
is
a
sense
of
that
kind
of
natural
rock
topography
on
the
outcrop,
some
Palo
Verde
sand
and
desert
vegetation
on
there,
and
then
people
enjoying
the
events
that
are
anticipated
for
the
space
I
should
point
out
as
well.
I'm
gonna
go
back
to
the
plan
for
a
second
something
I
jumped
over.
D
D
D
And
then
there
was
that
third
view
and
now
I
want
to
talk
just
a
little
bit
about
how
this
place
serves
those
functions
of
coming
together
in
lots
of
different
ways.
This
is
just
at
a
high
level,
the
various
program
elements
for
the
park
forever:
Maryland
Plaza
this
come
shade
and
respite
the
water
and
play
the
viewpoint.
The
events
the
luminaire
house
is
shade,
an
outdoor
gallery
and,
let's
imagine
it
in
some
different
scenarios.
D
D
Lots
of
people
in
this
case
would
now
be
using
this
event
end
of
the
park.
It
would
still
be
illuminated
sufficiently
that
people
would
feel
safe,
trickling
in
from
the
parking
garage
or
from
Bilardo
palm
canyon,
but
really
the
the
heart
of
the
action
is
a
community
scaled
event
in
and
we've
suggested
that
that
could
hold
about
450
people,
certainly
depending
on
your
feedback.
D
We
can
push
and
pull
all
of
these
parameters,
but
that's
the
amount
of
space
for
kind
of
casual,
lawn
chairs
and
picnic
blankets
and
some
people
sitting
along
the
back
and
then,
let's
bump
it
up.
Let's
imagine
a
much
bigger
event
that
is
not
only
using
the
park,
but
we
could
close
the
adjacent
streets
and
fill
it
with
farmers,
market
stalls
or
food
trucks,
or
you
could
have
music
or
a
speaker
on
the
stage
and
have
people
enjoying
it
from
both
sides.
D
What
that
means
is
we
have
to
be
judicious
about
what
our
priorities
are
in
the
park,
and
it
may
mean
that
some
other
areas
get
you
know
a
little
more
extensive
treatment
in
order
to
make
sure
we
really
knock
it
out
of
the
park
with
the
most
important
features,
and
so
for
our
purposes.
What
we're
proposing
to
you
tonight
is
that
this
heart
of
the
park,
the
shade
this
artful,
shade
canopy
and
this
spring
water
feature-
are
really
where
the
most
intense
we'll
be
the
most
resource
intensive
portion
of
the
park
there.
D
When
we
show
small
dollar
signs
at
some
of
our
partner
elements,
the
illuminator
house
and
forever
Maryland.
What
that
is
signifying
is
those
things
are
already
going
to
be
attractions
in
themselves.
We
think
the
response
with
the
park
around
that
is
to
be
more
low-key.
It's
a
more
simple
paved
platform
that
Marilyn
might
sit
on,
might
be
a
lawn
and
some
decomposed
granite
that
surrounds
the
illuminator
house.
That's
not
a
place
where
we
want
the
park,
elements
to
be
competing
with
those,
and
so
those
are
indicated
as
being
a
kind
of
the
less
spending
there.
D
So
once
again,
that's
the
draft
concept
plan
that
takes
all
of
your
feedback,
our
design,
intuition,
and
also
this
incredible
inspiration
that
we
feel
like
is
really
coming
to
us
from
the
site
itself.
This
voice
from
the
past
for
space,
stillness
solitude
and
simplicity's
and
Ellie's
for
s's.
We
think
the
way
we
interpret
those
is
natural
materials
native
plantings
and
these
creative
comforts
that
are
going
to
make
it
an
oasis
for
your
community
going
into
the
future.
So
with
that
happy
to
take
formal
questions
from
mayor
council
and
as
I.
A
Thank
you
for
a
very
comprehensive
presentation,
and
the
agenda
shows
that
we
now
have
comments
by
the
City
Council
questions
to
the
City
Council
from
the
City
Council
and
then
we'll
have
public
comments,
and
at
that
time
any
members
of
the
public
can
speak
for
two
minutes.
If
anyone
is
going
to
wish
to
speak,
please
put
a
card
into
the
sticker.
The
city
clerk,
miss
Hart,
okay,
questions
of
the
council.
H
I
I
Think
I
did
do
the
surface
and
this
captured,
but
but
it
certainly
did
because
it
captured
the
I,
fell
in
love
with
this
park
in
San
Francisco.
What
is
the
palace
yeah,
and
and
and
was
that
a
hotel
that
looked
down
on
it
and
I
kind
of
got
this
feeling
of
people
just
going
in
and
out
of
groves
and
and
and
and
walking
and
and
and
then
there
was
water
features
and
and
and
so
when
I'm
seeing
this?
This
is
just
absolutely
spectacular.
I
I
D
This
central
area
of
the
spring
water
feature
and
the
cloud
canopy,
and
then
there
are
areas
where
we
are
suggesting
can
can
get
a
more
minimal
treatment,
because
there
are
other
partnering
elements
that
are
coming
potentially
to
the
space
that
are
going
to
get
everybody's
attention
so
that,
for
example,
we
would
not
be
trying
to
do
artful
benches
and
things
around
the
a
luminaire
house
because
they're
there
to
see
the
illumine
our
house.
So
we
think
those
are
places
where
we'll
okay
can
we
do
maybe
decomposed
granite.
D
Instead
of
you
know
our
fanciest
paving
there
we're
gonna,
look
for
ways
to
be
really
calmer
and
and
less
expensive
in
those
areas,
and
then
the
medium
level
is
really
a
high
quality
planting
and
paving
that
stitches
all
those
together.
But
everything
that
we
showed
you
is
within
the
budget.
There
are
things
we
didn't
bring
tonight
that
we've
talked
about
with
the
committee
and
that
we
have
in
the
back
of
our
mind
that
we
might
at
a
later
date
say:
do
you
want
to
tackle
the
street
as
well?
I
One
of
the
things
that
I,
really
love
too,
is
the
fact
that
the
one
thing
I
really
disliked
about
the
first
plan
was
the
fact
that
there's
so
much
of
the
park
was
taken
up
by
buildings
and
by
moving
that
the
the
restrooms
and
and
and
and
the
police
kiosk
out
it
gives
so
much
more
because
it's
not
a
huge
park.
It's
it's.
You
know
it's
a
relatively
small
park,
but
but
it
is
spoken
somebody
who
came
from
New
York-
but
this
is
this-
is
just
really
beautiful.
J
H
He's
not
kidding
we
pretty
much
just
got
out
of
the
way,
but
Jenny
speaking
quickly
to
the
point
about
the
removal
of
the
the
buildings
that
were
originally
thought
of
for
this
area.
I
thought
it
was
a
mark
of
brilliance
on
their
part
to
not
only
move
them
into
the
parking
structure
that
already
exists.
J
H
L
F
A
A
D
D
Yeah,
can
you
hear
me
now?
Okay,
so
right
here
is
a
ramp
that
goes
down
and
our
suggestion
is
that
that
be
filled
in
so
that
you
bring
it
up
to
grade
right
and
then,
in
addition
to
that,
we
want
to
slope
this
land
form
up
from
the
parking
structure
to
form
this
visual
buffer
and
backdrop
for
the
event
space.
So
when
you're
in
the
park,
you
look
right
over
that
to
the
sky
and
the
mountains
beyond
and
not
stare
at
the
side
of
the
apartments
position.
D
D
N
D
A
D
This
case,
where
we've,
we
think
this
outcrop
is
going
to
be
perform
a
lot
more
for
the
park,
it's
both
going
to
provide
that
visual
buffer
and
it's
going
to
give
you
a
destination
where
you
get
the
best
view
of
the
surrounding
landscape,
okay
and
form
a
kind
of
amphitheater
that
supports
the
event.
Yes,
okay,.
A
D
Yeah
and-
and
you
know
we
know-
there
are
folks
that
we
need
to
talk
to
about
who
might
actually
program
it
and
would
have
some
input
for
us.
So
that's
we
can
push
and
pull
that
around.
Another
element
to
keep
in
mind
is,
is
there's
a
stair
that
goes
down
to
the
existing
parking
structure,
so
that's
going
to
need
to
be
accommodated
as
well.
That's
that
oh.
D
A
The
only
well
I
think
this
would
be
nice
to
have
I
know.
Rancho
Mirage
just
built
something
similar,
not
that
I
go
by
their
examples.
But
but
if
it's
a
limited,
the
only
thing
concerned
I've
always
had
is
if
there
was
temporary
structures
there
for
events
they
could
be
based
on
the
size
of
the
event
or
what
it
was
for,
like
maybe
small
they
could
be
larger.
A
D
Two
things
one:
we
wanted
to
get
that
just
like
where
you
guys
are
right
now
we
wanted
the
performers
for
most
events
and
for
movies
and
things
to
be
up
high
enough
that
everybody
can
see
them
and
if
there's
a
larger
group
of
performers,
let's
say
it's
a
symphony
type
event:
you
could
still
put
other
performers
in
front
of
the
stage
and
we
can
study.
Maybe
the
stage
needs
to
be
bigger,
but
we
think
it's
important
for
the
functionality
of
that
space
that
that
thing
be
lifted
up.
D
There's
another
issue
is
we're
trying
to
put
some
trees
in
that
outcrop
as
well
and
because
of
the
parking
structure
underneath
the
only
way
to
get
any
trees
associated
with
that
and
a
little
bit
more
shade
in
that
area
is
to
provide
some
kind
of
plant
or
elevation
above
the
parking
structure.
So
by
lifting
that
up,
we
get
kind
of
a
mini
outcropping,
the
family,
of
the
the
one
on
the
other
side
of
the
events
base
and
an
elevated
position
for
the
performers
relative
to
the
audience.
Okay,.
A
D
Would
say
that
the
materiality
is
more
of
a
cue
for
us
because
we're
very
much
trying
to
not
only
speak
to
the
immediate
surrounding
architecture,
but
this
kind
of
regional
landscape,
so
I
think
there
will
be
some
opportunities
to
have
some
of
the
natural
materials
but
I
think
formally
we're
not
going
with
quite
as
precise
a
geometry.
As
you
see
with
that
works.
Ours
is
obviously
more
organic
and
a
deeper
history
that
we
want
to
connect
with
in
the
character
of
the
park
and.
A
D
Know
it's
very
preliminary
today
today.
Really
the
conversation
should
be
at
this
kind
of
big
dollar
signs
little
dollar
signs,
but
we
will
continue
to
work
with
your
subcommittee
and,
as
this
gets
refined,
then
we'll
get
down
to
choosing
specific
materials
to
support
the
values
that
you
guys.
You
know
send
us
off
in
supportive
right.
A
H
The
the
two
things
that
I
think
impressed
me
the
most
about
this
were
that
well,
the
level
of
work
and
the
level
of
community
input
that
clearly
made
it
into
the
final
design
or
to
this
level
in
the
design
and
I,
really
see
this
park
as
an
antidote
to
all
of
the
steel
and
glass
and
concrete
that
is
going
up
right
now
and
I
think
that
this
size,
Park
and
this
level
of
a
sort
of
natural
displacement
really
balances.
What's
going
on
down.
There
will
really
make
a
difference
in
how
all
of
that
feels.
H
I
also
think
it
is
get.
It
is
a
proper
front
yard
if
you
will
that
the
museum
has
deserved,
since
it
was
built
and
rather
than
looking
across
the
parking
lot,
the
museum
will
now
look
across
something
truly
beautiful
and
I
think
it
will
set
off
Stu
Williams
architecture
rather
than
hiding
hiding
it
away,
which
is
sadly
what
it's
always
been,
and
the
second
thing
that
struck
me
about
this
was
it
takes
it?
It's
a
real
nod
to
our
history.
I
love
the
Oasis
aspect
of
it.
H
I
love
that
this
has
a
true
feeling
with
the
Grove
of
our
of
the
Indian
Canyon.
So
there's
a
nod
to
the
real
past
of
Palm
Springs,
I
love
the
water
elements.
I
just
think
it
sort
of
brings
together
all
of
the
things
that
we
truly
love
about
Palm
Springs
and
it
brings
them
down
to
the
street
for
everybody
to
enjoy
at
any
age
or
any
ability
level.
So
again,
my
hats
off
to
you
guys,
I
think
you
just
did
a
terrific
job.
O
A
O
But
I'd
certainly
echo
the
job
that
has
been
done
here.
It's
it's
very
different
than
where
we
started,
but
it's
based
on
a
different
program
as
well,
so
so
but
I'm
anxious
to
see
actually
to
hear
public
comments.
Although
I
I
heard
quite
a
few
of
them
when
the
hands
were
clapping
there,
but
but
I'm
anxious
to
to
go
on
to
the
next
step.
A
C
J
J
Moon
councilmembers,
my
name,
is
Robert
stone,
I
did
take
the
survey
I
have
to
confess.
I
have
not
been
following
this
project
very
closely
and
the
reason
I
haven't
been
following
it
very
closely
is
because
you
hired
Marc
Rios.
If
you
want
to
get
the
best
design,
you
have
to
hire
the
best
people,
and
you
couldn't
have
made
a
better
choice
in
selecting
this
firm
for
this
project.
I
think
the
museum
may
have
had
something
to
do
with
that
and
I
want
to.
Thank
them.
I
know
many
museum
members
are
here.
J
If
that's
the
case,
Jenny
mentioned
Yerba
Buena
Park
in
San,
Francisco
and
I
was
there
when
that
park
was
installed
and
I
just
wanted
to
share
something
that
might
be
helpful.
All
of
that
landscaping
and
Yerba
Buena
Park
the
trees.
The
lawn
is
also
installed
over
a
garage
and
what
is
beneath,
it's
actually
a
very
shallow
bed
of
dirt,
but
what's
beneath
it
is
these
enormous
blocks
of
foam
core
which
weigh
almost
nothing,
and
they
did
that
for
the
same
reason
that
we're
looking
at
weight
weight
issues
with
planting.
J
P
I
remember
a
few
years
ago,
when
this
plan
was
before
us
and
I
was
awful
there
all
these
buildings
on
it.
It
was
terrible-
and
this
is
a
wonderful
departure
from
what
you
originally,
where
we've
come
a
long
way
in
the
right
direction.
There's
only
one
yours
have
to
have
ideas
for
the
future.
That's
one
thing,
I
think
this
could
be
the
ultimate
key
here
me.
F
P
I
think
this
is
a
very
positive
way.
We
have
arrived
at
a
bill
apart
without
a
lot
of
buildings
like
we
had
before.
There's
one
thing
that
I
like
to
think
of
and
dream
up
for
the
future.
Maybe
that
will
happen
for
the
community,
I
think
the
other
side
of
Main
Street,
which
is
a
bad
name
by
the
way
it
should
be
Arch,
Street,
there's
something
like
that
should
also
eventually
be
part
of
the
park.
Iv
don't
need
another
hotel
that
we
got
enough
hotels
right
now.
H
A
B
Thank
you
so
much
mayor
and
all
the
culturally
engaged
residents
here
tonight.
I'm
Liz
Armstrong,
the
executive
director
of
the
Palm
Springs,
Art,
Museum
and
I
also
want
to
say,
wow
I
am
here
today
with
a
lot
of
members
of
our
staff
who,
like
so
many
of
you,
have
been
watching
with
some
caution
and
concern
the
evolution
of
this
park,
and
we
are
super
jazzed.
B
C
C
Myself,
as
a
resident
of
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
I
am
incredibly
happy
to
see
the
evolution
of
this
plan
in
this
process.
This
is
a
really
inspired
design
for
this
Park
I'd
like
to
speak
on
two
elements.
In
particular.
This
is
the
site
of
the
original
Desert
Inn
and
seeing
the
way
that
this
new
design
does
now
incorporate
the
gates
from
the
Desert
Inn
is
probably
one
of
the
most
important
elements
and
changes
and
I
solely
I
wholly
support
and
hope
that
you
would
support
the
incorporation
of
the
desert
and
gates.
C
It's
a
wonderful
change,
and
it's
a
very
important
change.
I
also
am
happy
that,
obviously
the
luminaire
house
is
still
a
part
of
this
park.
I,
also
like
the
way
that
the
context
of
the
landscaping
seems
to
be
inspired
a
little
bit
more.
On
the
original
plan
for
the
illumine
air
house,
there
is
a
pass-through
driveway
which
is
a
part
of
that
structure,
and
it
looks
like
the
D
D
design
of
that
landscape
does
at
least
imply
to
some
extent
that
there
was
a
driveway
that
passed
through
that
house.
Q
Hi,
thank
you.
Mary
moon
and
City
Council
members,
I'm
Brooke,
Hodge,
director
of
architecture
and
design
at
the
Palm
Springs
Art,
Museum
and
I'd
like
to
thank
mark
Rios
and
Nate
Cormier
and
the
rest
of
the
team
for
really
beautifully
synthesizing.
All
of
the
public
comments
that
they
carefully
studied
and
creating
this
beautiful,
hybrid
design
between
the
two
two
of
the
initial
design
concepts.
Q
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
city
for
involving
the
public
in
the
process
through
meetings
like
this
and
through
the
survey,
and
also
for
allowing
us
at
the
Art
Museum
at
our
architecture
and
design
Center
to
be
able
to
present
the
design
concepts.
The
survey
results
and
to
also
elicit
public
comments
through
our
new
summer
lab
or
slab,
which
is
in
the
architecture
and
design
Center
through
August
6th
and
we're
open
every
day
except
Wednesday
and
our
hours
can
be
found
on
our
website.
Q
M
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
Judy
deer
track
I'm
also
a
candidate
for
City,
council
and
I
really
want
to
thank
the
City
Council
for
this,
and
certainly
the
two
members
of
the
subcommittee.
There
has
been
a
lot
of
hard
work
on
this
to
mr.
mark
Rios
and
his
team
extraordinary,
and
this
is
a
point
of
celebration,
even
though
this
may
be
one
small
lot.
M
It
became
the
focal
point
for
the
city
to
express
its
vision
for
what
it
feels
in
terms
of
scale
in
terms
of
character
in
terms
of
design,
art,
nature
and
history,
that
all
of
those
elements
are
still
at
the
top
of
the
pile
and
that
any
design
any
build
out
in
the
city
is
expected
to
conform
to
it
and
integrate
it
properly.
And
this
is
what
I
see
with
respect
to
the
park.
M
I've
not
heard
anything
tonight
on
annual
operations
and
maintenance
for
the
park,
but
that's
also
a
concern,
and
next
week
you
have
something
I
believe
still
on
calendar
on
the
Virgen
hotel,
where
you
have
another
potential:
50
million
dollar
subsidy,
and
you
must
have
negotiating
power
on
that
and
although
I
do
not
support
those
subsidies,
if
you
do
go
ahead
with
it
for
pete's
sake,
why
is
mr.
Westman
getting
all
of
the
benefit
off
of
these
lots
and
we
are
taking
on
all
the
liabilities
and
I'm
asking
you
to
thank.
P
C
C
But
when
you
get
Orchestra
out,
this
is
the
Phantom
fantastic
opportunity
for
for
us
to
set
up
the
festival's
festival,
to
organize
festival
of
music
and
in
the
Palm
Springs.
We
need
to
really
really
have
good
support
to
get
our
home
every
time
when
my
stores
are
talking
about
Palm
Springs
Orchestra,
they
are
asking
us
where
you
going
to
perform,
and
this
is
the
real
moment.
I
know
that
is
lacking
of
space.
C
A
R
You
I
too
agreed.
This
project
is
100%
on
track
for
a
great
space.
I
want
to
talk
about
the
space
around
it
for
a
minute,
because
I
think
that's
going
to
be
as
determinant
as
to
the
success
or
failure
of
this
project
as
the
space
itself,
Sidney
Williams
sponsored
a
seminar
a
couple
years
ago
during
modernism
week
that
brought
in
some
experts
to
talked
about
the
edge
around
these
public
spaces
and
they
talked
about
door
knobs,
meaning
what
are
the
activities
along
the
edge
the
space?
We
only
have
two
edges
left.
R
We
have
the
edge
that
was
going
to
be
the
hotel
to
the
south
and
then
the
edge
that'll
be
the
new
hotel.
So
as
we
go
forward,
looking
at
those
two
projects,
I
think
we
have
to
take
special
consideration
as
to
what
the
functions
on
the
ground
floor
of
those
spaces
are
those
buildings
are
going
to
be
and
that
they
contribute
to
the
life
of
what
we
are
going
to
be
building
here.
There's
examples
of
projects
that
are
just
wonderful
that
died
because
they
didn't
have
the
proper
edge
condition.
R
C
R
Successful
and
if
you
look
at
your
of
a
Buena
Gardens,
there's
lots
of
activity
around
it
that
generates
the
activity
for
this
for
that
space
as
well.
So
just
the
messages
going
forward,
we
need
to
be
really
careful
about
what
we
approve
facing
the
park
both
to
the
south
and
to
the
east,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
do
that.
Thank
you.
E
All
right
good
evening,
mayor
and
council
members,
first
of
all,
thank
you
for
making
this
process
possible
as
somebody
who
went
to
art
and
design
school,
and
they
grew
up
here
in
the
valley.
It
is
really
exciting
to
see
that
Rios
committee
Hale
as
part
of
this
project
and
that
you've
allowed
that
to
happen.
So,
first
of
all,
thank
you.
There
I'm,
an
artist
that
is
based
here
locally
I
was
part
of
desert
acts.
E
I've
done
a
lot
of
large
scales,
public
art
projects
across
the
country,
I'm,
actually
working
with
Rios
Clemente
Hale
on
a
public
art
piece
for
West
Hollywood
Park
they've
been
such
a
joy
to
work
with
part
of
my
concern
with
the
project.
Ultimately,
really,
truly,
my
only
concern
would
be
the
Maryland
sculpture,
I
am
concerned
when
I
see
the
elevations
of
the
park.
E
You
sort
of
see
this
figure
sort
of
you
know
on
a
20
percent
opacity
in
the
background
sort
of
there,
and
my
concern
is
that
downtown
Park
will
be
called
Maryland.
Park
I
really
enjoy
the
image
of
the
Janet
Oakland
banette
structure,
she's
an
incredible
artist
if
only
the
funds
for
Maryland
could
be
dedicated
to
a
Janet
Eckland
piece.
E
That
would
be
something
that
would
draw
the
crowds,
the
same
kind
of
Instagram
Facebook
quality
that
that
project
has
but
I
think
somebody
with
a
right
kind
of
name
and
also
the
right
kind
of
elegance,
really
that
I
think
this
design
is
bringing
to
downtown
so
I
would
just
love
for
the
public
art
element,
which
I
think
is
more
dominant
in
this
design
than
you
may
think
for
that
to
be
at
the
same
level
of
the
design
itself.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
A
C
Thank
you.
My
name
is
les
young
and
I
am
a
member
of
the
parks
and
recs
commission
and
the
the
vice-chair
I
am
here
today
to
speak
on
my
behalf
and
it
is
to
say
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
that
design
is
perfect.
The
work
that
you've
done
is
phenomenal
and
the
way
that
you
did
it
is
outstanding,
you've
engaged
I
think
was
fourteen
hundred
plus
people
in
the
design.
You
actually
invited
many,
many
more
and
I
wish
they
would
have
participated.
C
They
didn't
so
there
will
be
people
that
will
complain
at
some
point
in
time,
but
if
they
didn't
give
you
feedback,
they
missed
the
boat.
This
design
that
the
theater
seating
looking
at
the
the
museum
and
the
hill,
the
mountain
is
just
it's
breathtaking:
the
concept
of
water,
along
with
the
the
greenery,
and
hopefully
we
do.
We
are
able
to
do
this
cloud
structure
it
just
is
it.
C
C
G
Proudest
thing
to
us
is
the
community
involvement
in
this
project,
and
this
is
different
from
other
cities
here
in
the
country,
other
cities
I
lived
in
Los
Angeles,
and
this
is
unique
when
you
see
the
things
that
were
brought
to
us
when
we
were
all
invited
to
come
and
look
to
put
our
dots
our
lines,
our
comments,
this
to
me,
is
special
and
that's
what
makes
this
city
different
from
those
cities
this
park
I
think
is
beautiful.
The
design
of.
G
I
Just
have
one
question:
I
think
that
maybe
my
stroke
might
have
misunderstood.
Were
you
saying
the
480
that
what
I
heard
you
say
is
like
with
with
picnic,
seating
and
and
and
all
of
that
if
we
were
actually
having
a
concert
or
a
symphony,
as
the
maestro
would
like
to
have
there,
what
would
our
seating
capacity.
D
We'll
go
and
look
at
that
in
detail
and
we
can
reach
out
to
the
symphony
and
talk
about
the
specific
parameters,
both
both
from
the
performer
side
and
the
audience
side,
and
look
at
wood
rows
of
folding
chairs.
How
many
can
we
get
in
there
and
we'll
check
in
with
your
downtown
subcommittee
as
well
and
talk
about
balancing
all
of
those
all
those
needs
that.
I
C
D
O
I'm
talking
about
grade
level
so,
and
so
that
is
that's
a
that's
an
existing
opening
allowing
people
to
within
the
structure
to
come
out
in
in
into
the
park,
and
you
don't
look
like
like
you're
using
that
and
and
and
not
I'm
I'm,
just
making
the
comment
that,
if
that's
something
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
In
addition,
that's
a
that's
a
full
stair
and
may
not.
It
might
be
a
required
exit
and
it
might
not
I.
Don't
know
that,
but
there's
also
an
elevator
planned
for
that
location.
O
And
so
that
is
something
that
that
we
should
take
a
look
at
and
see
how
that
fits
in,
because
I
think
an
elevator
there's
currently
no
elevator
in
that
in
the
parking
structure
and
I.
Think
that's
probably
something
that
we
need
to
address
and,
as
I
said,
that
the
substructure
for
the
elevator
is
there
with.
O
The
the
other
thing
is
and
I
you
you
talked
about
like
for
movie
night,
there
might
be
a
a
portable
screen,
etc
there
and
they're,
probably
in
the
design,
I
think
you're,
probably
looking
at
other
portable
things.
So
but
I
don't
see
any
storage
and
so
I
think
you
know
as
much
as
I
don't
want
to
see.
You
know
a
storage
building.
This
I
think
it's
something
that
we
need
to
think
in
terms
of
you.
O
In
it,
and
and
and
and
that's
certainly
feasible
but
but
but
I,
think
it's
a
component
that
we
that
we
don't
want
to
forget
the
the
other
thing
and
I
mentioned
it
to
you.
When
we
have
the
subcommittee
meeting
and
I
mean
I
like
I,
like
everything
I
like
the
up
and
down
I
like
the
amphitheater
concept,
with
the
with
the
ramp
up
I
like
the
14
feet.
But
what
I
don't
like
is
the
distance
between
the
amphitheater
and
the
existing
parking
garage,
because
it's
really
hidden
and.
O
I
D
We
final
concept
yeah
and
that
you
sort
of
wraps
the
current
effort
and
I
think
then
we'll
look
to
you.
We
would
like
to
keep
rolling
right
into
schematic
design.
We
need
surveys
and
other
consultants
and
talk
about
acoustics
and
civil
and
all
those
fun
things,
ideally
we're
working
all
that
through
the
winter
and
so
that
you
can
get
get
started
on
construction
next
year.
A
H
Don't
know
if
you
were
taking
notes,
but
but
I
was
and
I
think
that
there
there's
some
things,
and
hopefully
you
stored
these
away
in
your
head,
at
least,
but
I.
Think
the
one
concept
about
perimeter
connections
is
very,
very
important.
We
have
Michael
Brown
here
in
the
audience
tonight,
who's
who
heads
up
great
construct
development,
formerly
of
Westman
development-
and
you
know
sooner
than
later,
perhaps
a
meeting
with
mr.
Braun
Chris,
Mills
and
I
are
also
on
the
subcommittee
for
not
only
the
Downtown
Development
but
the
landscape
for
the
Downtown
Development.
H
H
It's
I
think
overall,
where
you've
placed
it
and
the
flexibility
of
using
all
sides
of
it
is
a
great
start,
but
I
think
we
need
to
be
more
focused
on
how
we'll
use
it
at
this
point
get
into
the
nuts
and
bolts
and
the
logistics
of
that
with
respect
to
public
furniture.
We
haven't
really
talked
about
that.
I
know
that
that's
sort
of
the
jewelry
on
the
park
so
to
speak,
and
that
will
probably
be
a
conversation
that'll
come
in
the
next
round.
H
Obviously
we
have
some
artifacts
that
are
planned
to
come
back
but
I'm,
hoping
that
the
HSP
be
will
be
involved
with
this
as
well
to
talk
about
ways
we
can
honor
Nelly
and
whether
that
is
I
know.
We've
talked
about
different
ideas,
but
maybe
we
those
should
start
to
gel
as
well,
obviously
having
the
gates.
There
is
a
great
start
and
will
be
really
exciting
to
people
as
well,
and
with
that
again,
thank
you.
I
I
can't
wait
to
see
your
next
iteration
on
this.
A
O
A
D
A
A
A
G
Mayor
members
of
council
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
thank
you
very
much
if
I
could
have
the
PowerPoint
up
on
the
screen,
please
let
me
give
you
a
little
bit
of
background
on
what
we're
discussing
tonight
and
what
the
ad
hoc
PDD
committee
is
just
starting
off
the
ad
hoc,
PDD
and
I'm.
Sorry
I
used
the
acronym
PDD.
That's
planned
development
district.
The
ad
hoc
PDD
committee
was
formed
as
the
result
of
a
lawsuit
or
a
settlement
agreement
that
the
city
entered
into
relative
to
the
Dakota
project.
You
have
a
copy
of
that
settlement.
G
Agreement
included
in
your
backup
materials
as
attachment
number
three,
but
it
outlines
the
formation
of
this
citizen
committee
and
gives
specific
responsibilities
to
them.
The
purpose
of
the
committee
was
to
study
our
existing
planned
development
district
process
and
then
to
make
recommendations
regarding
modifications
to
the
process.
G
The
recommendations
for
the
settlement
agreement
were
to
be
non-binding,
but,
as
you'll
see
from
the
recommendations,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
really
helpful
and
useful
things
that
the
city
could
do
to
improve
its
processes
in
the
settlement
agreement.
It
states
that
the
recommendations
of
this
ad
hoc
committee
are
to
be
forwarded
to
the
Planning
Commission
and
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
to
consider
those
recommendations
in
good
faith.
G
The
Planning
Commission
is
then
to
forward
the
recommendations
to
the
City
Council
for
consideration,
and
so
that's
why
we're
here
this
evening,
the
Planning
Commission
did
consider
the
recommendations
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
over
the
series
of
three
meetings.
They
first
reviewed
them
at
a
regular
Planning
Commission
meeting
in
April.
They
had
a
study
session
later
that
month
to
go
through
the
recommendations
and
then
they
finalized
their
recommendations
to
you
at
their
first
meeting
in
May
of
this
year.
G
In
terms
of
the
ad
hoc
committee,
as
I
had
mentioned,
it
was
a
citizen
committee
and
the
settlement
agreement
specified
the
base
members
of
the
committee.
The
first
was
mr.
Jim
Harlan,
representing
the
people
for
proper
planning
and
I.
Believe
I
saw
Jim
here
there
right
there
Jim.
Thank
you.
We
also
had
mr.
Marvin
Roose,
who
was
appointed
to
represent
the
developer
and
Marvin
is
here
with
us
and
then
Kathy,
where
muk
was
appointed
to
represent
the
Planning
Commission.
G
As
part
of
this
committee,
the
committee
was
also
given
the
ability
to
choose
up
to
four
additional
members
which
they
did.
They
chose
the
following
individuals,
mr.
Scott
Big
B,
who
is
here
with
us
tonight,
mr.
Lynn
Keller
Dean,
who
is
also
a
member
of
the
Planning
Commission,
miss
Tracy
Conrad,
who
unfortunately,
could
not
be
here
this
evening
and
then
mr.
Michael
Johnston,
who
was
also
with
us
this
evening.
I
would
like
to
say
thank
you
to
the
members
of
the
ad-hoc
committee.
G
G
As
I
had
mentioned,
the
committee
met
over
a
period
of
nine
months.
They
held
15
meetings
between
July
of
2016
and
March
of
2017.
The
meetings
were
opened
up
to
members
of
the
public
who
attended
those
meetings
and
offered
public
comment.
In
fact,
the
bulk
of
the
backup
materials
that
you
have
in
your
package
this
evening.
Our
public
comment
letters
things
that
were
reviewed
with
the
committee
members
and
presented
to
them
at
the
meetings
as
part
of
their
process.
G
The
committee
started
off
by
identifying
issues
and
concerns
with
our
current
planned
development
district
ordinance,
so
they
spent
several
meetings
discussing
that
and
putting
together
a
list
of
concerns
following
that
they
spent
several
meetings
reviewing
best
practices
as
it
comes
to
plan
development
districts.
So
they
looked
at
ordinances
from
other
cities
within
the
state
of
California
and
from
across
the
country.
G
They
also
looked
at
materials
from
the
American
Planning
Association
relative
to
planned
development,
district
practices
and
ordinances
and
then,
finally,
over
the
last
series
of
meetings
they
put
together
that
our
list
of
recommendations
and
refined
that
the
recommendations
are
included
as
an
attachment
to
your
backup
materials
here,
you'll
find
that
there's
a
total
of
67
recommendations
forwarded
from
the
committee.
These
recommendations
fall
into
four
areas,
and
this
might
serve
as
a
good
basis
for
your
discussion
this
evening.
G
Secondly,
they
talked
about
changes
to
how
we
process
planned
development,
district
applications
and
those
would
be
recommendations,
number
26
through
38
and
then
next
they
talked
about
changes
to
the
general
plan
and
that
would
be
recommendations
39
to
51
and
then
finally,
any
associated
changes
to
our
zoning
code,
which
would
be
recommendations,
number
52
to
number
67.
So
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
those
recommendations.
The
recommendations
sheet
that
you
have
in
your
package
looks
like
this.
The
column
on
the
left
is
the
recommendation,
as
it
came
from
the
ad
hoc
plan
development
district
committee.
G
One
of
the
things
the
settlement
agreement
talks
about
is
that
all
of
the
recommendations
should
be
forwarded
to
the
Planning
Commission,
even
if
there
is
dissent,
and
so
the
middle
column
is
for
any
dissenting
opinion
from
that
recommendation.
With
the
initials
of
the
committee
member
who
was
the
dissenting
opinion,
what
you'll
find
for
the
most
part
is
that
there
is
an
incredible
amount
of
agreement
between
the
committee
members
in
terms
of
the
recommendations
themselves.
G
The
final
column,
the
column
to
the
right
and
any
text
that
you
see
in
red
are
the
recommendations
from
the
Planning
Commission,
as
they
reviewed
those
recommendations
over
the
course
of
three
meetings.
So
what
we
tried
to
do
is
we
tried
to
keep
the
recommendations
from
the
committee
in
their
format
as
originally
intended,
and
then
the
comments
from
the
Planning
Commission
are
kept
to
the
right
or
shown
in
red,
so
that
you
can
clearly
see
the
recommendations
of
the
committee
versus
the
recommendations
from
the
Planning
Commission
again.
G
There
is
a
lot
of
information
to
consider
here
this
evening
in
turn
of
the
recommendations,
and
so
what
I
would
offer
to
you
is
that
tonight
you
are
having
a
joint
meeting
with
the
Planning
Commission.
This
gives
you
the
opportunity
to
review
and
discuss
the
recommendations.
If
you
have
questions
in
terms
of
the
Planning
Commission's
comments,
they
are
here
to
address
those.
G
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
that,
in
terms
of
your
discussion
tonight
again,
we
aren't
expecting
you
to
finalize
your
recommendations
tonight,
but
we
are
looking
for
direction
from
the
City
Council
in
terms
of
what
our
next
steps
with
these
recommendations
should
be.
So
with
that.
That
concludes
my
presentation
to
you.
I
would
like
to
keep
the
PowerPoint
up
here.
So
as
we
begin
the
discussion
with
the
Planning
Commission
again
I
talked
about
going
through
the
four
different
areas
of
the
recommendations.
G
A
I
Flynn
can
I
just
have
a
little
clarification
on
the
changes
and
how
that
would
how
that
would
be
how
that
would
be
done
like,
for
instance,
on
the
changes
to
the
general
plan.
We
would
we
wait
on
that
until
the
general
plan,
revisions
or,
or,
and
and
and
the
zoning
changes
I
mean
how,
because
they
so
I
noticed
that
there's
a
lot
of
things
in
here,
I'd
almost
like
to
have
had
yesterday
in
the
in
the
PD
D's,
and
so
so.
Can
you
give
me
a
little
hint
as
to
how
these
changes
would
be
made?
G
One
of
the
things
that
we
discussed
at
the
Planning
Commission
was
the
need
to
develop
a
work
plan.
If
City
Council
chooses
to
implement
these
recommend,
then
the
responsibility
of
staff
would
be
to
come
back
to
you
with
a
work
plan
in
terms
of
how
we
get
that
done
now.
Some
of
these
are
going
to
be
simple
changes
to
our
zoning
code
or
relatively
minor
changes
to
the
general
plan
itself.
G
Those
can
be
processed
by
staff
through
our
regular
public
hearing
process
and
we
can
get
those
done
other
things,
for
example,
there's
a
recommendation
from
the
ad
hoc
committee
about
updating
the
general
plan.
Obviously
that's
going
to
be
a
much
longer
process.
What
we
would
need
to
do
is
to
hire
a
consultant
to
assist
us
with
that
process,
but
again
Mayor,
Pro,
Tem,
I,
think
what
we
would
need
to
do
is
once
city
council
decides
on
the
recommendations
that
you
wish
to
implement.
G
I
H
H
The
amount
of
work
that
went
into
this
by
the
subcommittee
by
the
Planning
Commission
and
by
your
staff
is
clear
and
I'm
truly
impressed
with
this
and
I'm
excited,
because
I
know
that
this
is
going
to
have
a
significant
difference
in
the
way
these
pd
d's
are
used
and
on
the
overall
and
long
term
effect
on
our
city
and
my
question.
The
only
thing
I'm
not
clear
on
is
I
know.
You
gave
us
some
options
on
how
we
can
move
forward,
but
there's
a
lot
in
this.
H
H
That
is
just
clean
and
simple,
I'm
really
thrilled
about
project
justification,
and
it
seems
to
me
it's
so
much
of
that
is
simply
going
to
go
into
a
new
form
or
kit
that
will
be
a
requirement
to
anybody
applying
for
a
PD
D
and
then,
of
course,
that
information
could
then
be
used
and
be
less
fuzzy
in
the
decision-making.
In
other
words,
if
they
haven't
met
that
criteria
that
you've
created,
they
simply
don't
make
it
to
the
second
gate
or
when
I
when
I
say
second
gate,
they
don't
make
it
on
to
the
Planning
Commission.
G
Mm-Hmm
and
again
that
goes
back
to
the
idea
of
work
plan.
As
mayor
pro-tem
was
indicating
low-hanging
fruit,
things
that
don't
involve
changes
to
the
code,
but
rather
changes
to
the
way
that
we
process
things
administrative
Lea
again
those
can
be
implemented
right
away.
There's
also
some
very
minor
changes
to
the
zoning
code
that
could
take
effect
in
turn,
going
through
the
standard
process
for
a
zoning
text
amendment,
and
so
that
would
typically
be
the
process.
G
Once
you
all
decide
on
which
recommendations
you
want
to
implement
those
that
are
just
simply
a
change
to
our
zoning
code.
We
take
it
through
the
standard
process
of
staff
develops
the
language
we
present
it
to
the
Planning
Commission
Planning
Commission
makes
a
recommendation,
and
then
it
comes
to
the
City
Council
for
adoption
or,
if
you
wish,
to
make
changes
etc.
So
we'll
follow
the
standard
processes
in
terms
of
how
these
things
come
up
to
you
all
to
approve.
H
A
L
M
A
Have
six
present?
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
City
Clerk,
okay,
the
next
item.
We
will
open
for
public
comments
and
each
member
of
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak
on
this.
If
you
haven't
turned
a
card
into
the
city
clerk,
please
do
so.
Each
member
of
the
public
will
have
two
minutes
to
speak
and
there
will
be
a
timer.
So
please
time
yourself
properly.
First
speaker
is
Robert
stone,
followed
by
Frank,
Tyson
and
then
Judy
dear
tract.
J
Mayor
move
councilmembers.
Thank
you.
I
sat
in
on
about
half
of
this
subcommittees
meetings
and
I
want
to
tell
you
they
worked
so
hard
and
so
diligently
for
no
money,
long
hours
and
they
all
came
from
very
different
backgrounds.
But
over
the
nine
months
there
was
a
remarkable
consents
consensus
and
unanimity
to
their
conclusions,
as
councilmember
Mills
mentioned
just
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
in
a
discussion.
J
Well,
the
PDD
waves,
everything,
and
that
is
exactly
what
the
PD
D
has
been
doing
in
our
town
for
about
ten
years
at
least
ten
years
that
I've
been
following
it,
and
that
has
been
the
crux
of
the
problem.
I
am
a
licensed
real
estate
broker
I've
been
a
licensee
for
25
years,
I,
understand
the
concept
of
highest
and
best
use
and
I
hope.
J
That
is
a
term
that
never
comes
out
of
the
mouth
of
the
mayor
or
council
member,
because
it
is
a
real
estate
term
that
describes
the
obligation
of
the
owner
of
a
parcel
to
maximize
the
profit
that
they
are
going
to
acquire
from
developing
it.
And
when
you
waive
all
of
the
rules-
and
you
invite
people
in
to
do
projects
they're
going
to
do
a
project
that
gives
them
the
most
return
on
the
dollar,
this
is
problematic
because
it
hasn't
been
following
our
zoning
code
or
our
general
plan,
and
so
we
get
these.
J
What
I've
referred
to
as
many
santa
clarita
x'
plopped
down
all
over
town
that
don't
resemble
any
of
our
existing
streetscape
or
our
built
environment.
I
think
that
we
need
to
do
exactly
what
the
Commission
has
recommended.
We
need
to
look
at
Judy
deer
tracks,
longitudinal
study
of
10
years
of
PD
DS
and
how
they
reflect
or
don't
reflect
our
general
plan,
and
we
also
need
to
move
to
a
place
where,
hopefully
we
can
stop
lawsuits
against
projects,
because
only
the
attorneys
win
in
those
lawsuits
and
they
win
every
time.
J
P
This
okay,
now,
okay,
I,
would
like
to.
There
are
many
people
in
town
that
still
don't
know
what
a
PDD
is
and
I
just
want
to
spend
a
minute,
or
so
to
tell
people
how
to
recognize
the
PDD.
If
the
project
is
right
up
to
the
street,
it's
a
PDD.
If
a
project
is
too
dense,
it's
a
PDD.
If
a
project
has
too
little
open
space,
it's
a
PDD.
If
a
project
is
too
tall,
it's
a
PDD,
I
mean
90%
of
our
of
our
project
have
been
PD
DS.
P
We
almost
have
had
a
shingle
out
developers
come
in
and
do
whatever
you
want
so
I'm
so
encouraged
that
we
finally
are
have
a
chance
to
go
back
to
our
adherence
to
the
general
plan
and
adherence
to
our
zoning
ordinances
and
there's
also
a
little
benefit
to
you.
Your
meetings
should
not
go
beyond
midnight,
because
if
people
follow
the
zoning
was
the
general
plan,
they
don't
have
to
spend
all
that
time
on.
Each
PDD
I
am
very
thankful
for
the
work
that
the
ad
hoc
committee
did
I
attended.
P
Most
of
the
I,
all
of
them
I
think
the
meetings
and
I'm
thankful
to
the
Planning,
Commission
and
I'm
also
thankful
for
Judy
deer
track,
who
studied
practically
every
PDD
for
the
last
ten
years,
and
it's
been
a
horrendous
amount
of
work
and
I
mend
that
you
look
at
a
study
because
you
can
see
for
yourself
at
the
aerial
plants
how
much
cement
and
concrete
each
BDD
has
there's
one
problem.
Still,
that
is
a
problem
and
that's.
P
There
are
a
lot
of
months
old,
PD
DS
that
are
still
in
the
pipeline
and,
for
instance,
one
of
them
to
Cameron
project
was
approved
11
years
ago,
and
you
know
that
should
have
been
totally
reviewed
and
so
are
many.
The
VY
project
that
Jennifer
critiqued
very
nicely
but
wasn't
paid
attention
to,
but
also
is
another
example
and
I
think
we
need
to
really
also
now
look
at
all
the
all
PD
PD
DS
right.
M
With
respect
to
the
outcome
of
the
study,
I
spent
almost
2,000
hours
because
the
city
has
no
tracking
system
with
respect
to
gathering
information
on
a
permit
history
for
a
development
of
law
and
a
lot
of
these
beauties.
There
were
extensive
modifications
over
time
and
it
was
very
difficult
to
track
back
and
see
what
the
planning
standard
should
be
from
one
modification
to
the
next
and
I.
Believe
you
need
to
give
a
lot
of
attention
to
that
in
terms
of
how
you
propose
to
handle
the
PD
DS.
M
M
C
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
mayor
and
council
Marvin
ruse
a
little
background.
I
spent
a
few
years
here
started
with
PD
number
10.
We
are
now
close
to
PD
400
I
processed,
several
hundred
of
those
on
the
staff
and
I've
processed
a
few
cents
that
since
I've
been
a
consultant
I
agreed
to
do
this
fact.
I
wanted
to
do
this
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
misinformation
about
the
planned
development
district
and
it's
a
uses
and
abuses.
C
I
found
that
and
Judy
did
a
marvelous
job
of
constructing
what
has
been
modified
over
the
years
with
PD
DS
and
it's
it
hasn't
been
the
general
plan.
That's
been
modified,
it's
been
zoning.
That's
been
modified.
Now
there
are
a
couple
of
examples
that
we
could
probably
have
a
further
discussion
on,
but
the
you
know
we
heard
for
years
that
there
was
massive
increases
in
density
through
the
PDD.
There
were
the
only
an
increase
in
density
that
was
in
Judy
study
that
I
had
to
look
into
was
the
palm
hotel,
which
was
a
dentist.
C
It
turned
out
to
be
a
density
transfer
from
the
winters
property
other
than
that.
Almost
all
the
projects
are
well
under
density
and
part
of
that
is
because
the
the
land
uses
that
developers
have
been
trying
to
do
we're
out
of
r1
zoning.
So
part
of
you
know
we
need
to
look
at
the
zoning
map.
We
need
to
look
at
the
zoning
ordinance.
C
We
need
to
look
at
the
general
plan
map
and
so
all
of
it
comes
together,
but
you
know:
Palm
Springs
is
not
turning
into
Palm
Desert
or
Orange
County,
or
trying
to
clear
it
it
it's
turning
into
Palm
Springs
and
it's
marvelous.
It's
wonderful.
If
I
could
have
told
the
council
20
years
ago,
25
years
ago,
when
I
left
here,
things
are
gonna
be
really
great
here
in
25
years
they
would
have
breathed
a
sigh
of
relief
and
I
think
the
council
is
stuck
with
it.
C
A
Closes
our
public
comments.
Next
item
is
discuss
the
recommendations
of
the
ad
hoc
PD
committee
and
I
met
with
german
wehrmacht
or
the
Planning
Commission,
and
we
just
started
discussed
and
also
we
had
a
subcommittee
meeting
and
councilmember
Mills
and
I.
We
decided
we
would,
as
a
director
said,
we
would
take
these
in
the
four
different
groupings
and
discuss
them.
K
And
the
subcommittee,
the
if
you
look
at
one
through
nine
on
the
discussion
points,
I,
think
that
the
subcommittee
and
Planning
Commission
thought
that
the
PDD
is
a
valuable
tool.
It
allows
the
city
to
do
some
interesting
projects
that
we
might
not
otherwise
be
able
to
do
and
and
not
change
the
zoning
unless
the
project
gets
built.
K
There
were
several
major
shoes
that
happened
a
sense
from
the
community
that
it's
overused
that
it's
resulted
in
denser
projects
which
isn't
actually
true,
but
it's
resulted
in
projects
with
less
open
space.
So
the
definition
of
open
space,
the
open
space
requirements
were
an
issue
the
difficulty
in
ascertaining
from
what's
in
the
statute,
a
way
of
dealing
with
community
benefits
for
the
trades.
K
The
fact
that
the
trades
as
they
came
through
were
not
small
mitigations
but
were
major
in
many
instances,
major
waivers
of
our
zoning
process
without
a
way
to
rectify
that
those
are
some
of
the
issues
that
got
raised
as
for
the
Planning
Commission,
and
we're
also
raised
in
the
PD
D
subcommittee.
So
that's
where
the
recommendations
come
from.
I
know
a
couple
members
of
our
Commission
wanted
to
speak.
K
S
S
He
warned,
then
we
want
to
be
back
and
play
again
in
terms
of
receipt,
so
I
think
we
used
the
P
DD
x,
ray
judiciously
and
very
appropriately,
but
I
think
there
were
times
when
we,
in
the
spirit
of
wanting
to
help
the
developer
and
move
the
project
along
and
get
it
going
to
get
it
away.
We
allowed
a
lot
of
our
design
guidelines
and
standards
density
issues
regarding
issues
regarding
the
general
plan
and
the
attention
we
pay
to
that.
S
We're
not
looking
at
the
general
plan
in
terms
of
the
context
of
what
kind
of
an
overall
community
we
want
with
these
developments,
and
so
I
think
what
the
ad
hoc
committee
is
done
and
what
our
citizens
have
helped
us
do
is
think
more
critically
about
this,
knowing
that
the
PDD
is
always
a
useful
tool
in
our
toolbox.
But
if
we
do
a
better
job
with
tweaking
and
reforming
our
code,
our
zoning
code
pay
more
attention
to
our
general
plan
and
do
some
changes
to
the
plan,
which
also
are
in
order
I.
S
Think
after
ten
years
we
will
get
a
better
mix
of
projects
and
we'll
be
able
to
educate
the
developer
community
to
the
fact
that
it
can't
be
the
way
it's
been
for
the
last
five
or
six
years
that
you
can't
just
slap
together.
A
PD
D
make
some
tweaks
to
it
and
expect
it
to
work
because
I
think,
if
we
do
that,
we
will
lose
the
sense
of
our
community
eventually
and
we're
seeing
it
starting
to
erode,
but
I
think
it's
not
too
late
to
bring
it
back
and
write
the
ship
and
that's
the
way.
S
N
When
I
talk
to
people
in
the
public,
almost
no
one
can
identify
a
meaningful
public
benefit
that
has
resulted
from
the
PD
DS.
We
think
there's
a
better
way.
The
city
is
identified
as
a
goal:
increasing
working
family,
affordable
housing.
The
courts
have
identified
that
where
you
can
find
a
nexus
for
affordable
housing
that
that
can
be
a
legitimate
cost
to
developers.
N
We
should
move
to
a
standardized
approach
for
public
benefits
where
developers
using
PD
DS
are
required,
either
to
provide
a
percentage
of
housing
to
be
affordably
built
in
price,
for
working
families
or
in
the
alternative,
a
percentage
fee
charged
against
the
value
of
the
construction
permit.
That
would
ultimately
be
used
to
support
nonprofit
organizations,
building
working
family,
affordable
housing
in
Palm
Springs
such
an
approach,
standardizes
the
public
benefit
calculation
and
will
result
in
increased,
affordable
housing
for
Palm
Springs
workers
to
be
able
to
live
in
Palm,
Springs.
N
A
K
R
Like
to
add
a
little
bit
to
a
issue
that
you
brought
up
at
the
beginning,
commissioner,
warwick
about
density
versus
open
space,
and
it's
a
discussion
I
had
as
recently
as
this
morning
with
the
planning
director
and
a
lot
of
the
projects
we're
seeing
being
approved
or
brought
forward
to
us
on
PD
DS
are
small,
Lots
subdivisions
and
and
and
the
density
which
is
units
per
acre
is
relatively
low.
Based
on
the
zoning
code
for
those
particular
parcels.
R
But
what
gets
distorted
is
the
the
idea
of
density,
and
it's
really
more
about
quote:
unquote,
open
space
and
how
that's
defined,
and
so
as
we
move
through
with
the
PD
D
recommendations.
I
hope
we
take
some
consideration
as
defining
open
spaces
common
open
space,
that's
not
walled
off
into
little
courtyards,
but
contributes
to
the
overall
landscape
and
visual
quality,
the
entire
community,
not
just
the
development
itself,
but
from
the
public
right
of
ways
as
well.
R
It
is
a
positive
and
you
don't
see
that
in
a
lot
of
these
small
lots
of
divisions,
even
though
they're
density
quote
unquote,
density
is
lower,
so
I
think
we
should
be
taking
a
hard
look
at
how
we
define
open
space.
So
we
so
we
really
can
contribute
to
to
what
our
community
looks
like
in
the
answer.
K
The
other
comment
I
would
make
is
that
the
great
majority
of
the
PDS
we've
gotten
involved,
small
lots
and
the
ordinance
itself
actually
speaks
to
mixed
use,
and
so
that's
finding
we
haven't
been
making
but
haven't
had
to
make
and
one
of
the
thoughts
we
had
or
the
subcommittee
the
ad-hoc
committee
had.
Is
that
because
we
don't
have,
we
haven't
kept
our
zoning
ordinances
up
with
the
innovations
in
the
industry
that
this
is
the
only
permit
that's
available
and
that
if
we
we
and
we'll
get
more
into
that
in
zoning?
K
But
if
we
created
the
kinds
of
permits
we
needed,
we
would
have
standards
good
standards
for
the
small
lot.
The
small
lot
requests
that
we're
getting
and
they
wouldn't
all
have
to
go
through
the
PD,
and
then
the
PD
could
be
used
for
the
innovative
projects
it
was
intended
to
go
towards.
I
want
to
say
that
we
were
not
asked
in
the
ad
hoc
committee
to
rewrite
the
ordinate,
the
PD
ordinance,
that's
something
that
we
didn't
do
and
we
didn't
do
a
thorough
critique
of
that
ordinance.
K
K
You
miss
standards
so
that,
if
you
remember
to
have
a
standard
in
one
development,
but
the
person
who
really
pushed
that
standard
isn't
at
the
next
meeting
and
you
don't
catch
it,
you
don't
you
actually
don't
have
cohesive
standards
through
your
small
small
developments
across
the
city
and
you
may
we
had.
We
had
to
have
small
changes
to
allow
people
to
do
some
I
think
it
was
shading
at
the
Morison.
They
shouldn't
have
to
come
back
to
us
because
the
PD
didn't
allow
it.
We
should
have
standards
that
allow
those
kinds
of
things.
K
K
L
Mm
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
the
public
benefit
issue
as
well
as
totally
support.
My
Commission
Middleton
has
expressed,
but
it's
in
some
ways
a
bigger
issue,
because
I
don't
think
that
the
applicants
understand
public
benefit
either
because
we
never
really
required
them
to
provide
well
I.
Think
it's
any
significant
public
benefit,
because
I
don't
know
that
we
understand
what
our
abilities
are
in
that
regard.
I
don't
expect
the
City
Council
to
give
us
a
list
of
a
through
Z.
L
These
are
probably
acceptable
public
benefits,
but
it
would
really
be
helpful
if
we
have
I
think
a
bigger
discussion
and
maybe
even
some
kind
of
position
paper
in
terms
of
what
is
appropriate
for
public
benefit
in
the
city.
We
should
be
getting
much
more
public
benefit
out
of
the
projects
that
we
were
approving
them
than
we
have
at
this
point,
and
that
doesn't
mean
a
small
park.
I,
don't
think
in
a
project
that's
being
built,
which
is
actually
a
public
benefit
to
that
development
itself.
But
what's
the
public
benefit
to
the
city?
L
K
Item
23
was
one
of
the
most
important
things
that
came
out
of
the
subcommittee,
which
is
not
treating
the
standards
as
waivers
but
minor
modifications
and
clearly
identifying
where
there's
a
modification
of
existing
standards,
so
that
that,
from
the
subcommittee
point
of
view
and
I
think
it
was
Scott.
Bigsby
that
raised.
That
issue
was
one
of
the
things
that
stuck
the
ad
hoc
subcommittee
thought
was
most
important.
A
K
K
A
O
I
have
a
I
think
what
came
out
of
it.
I
think
probably
made
a
lot
of
people
realize
that
the
PD
and
I
heard
you.
You
say
it
is
not
the
the
the
the
devil's
work
as
everybody,
as
some
people
like
to
term
it
as
and
it
is,
it
is
it's.
It's
a
result
of
really
really
a
zoning
ordinance
that
doesn't
address
every
issue
because
it
just
cannot.
O
Think
the
the
recommendations
that
that
I
saw
that
that
that
that
that
that
I
certainly
support
and
then
I
hope
that
we
get
them
in
our
budget
because
they're,
not
in
our
budget
now
is
our
general
plan
update,
which
is
way
overdue,
and
with
that
general
plan
update-
and
it
mentions
it
in
here
somewhat-
is-
is
the
the
coordination
of
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
and
it
causes
their.
It
causes
conflict
and
forces,
P,
DS
and
the
so
and
and
I
talked
to
Flynn
earlier
about
it.
O
The
but
III
was
I
was
very
happy
to
hear
the
the
the
the
mention
that
the
PD
is
is
a
good
tool
and
it's
and
and
we
should
keep
it
because
you're
never
gonna
get
everything
right
in
the
zoning
or
it's
and
you're
never
gonna
get
any
everything
right
in
the
general
plan,
but
it
should
not
be.
There
are
are
instances
where,
where
it
should
be
used
and
shouldn't
be
used,
I
really
liked.
O
In
the
the
justification
portion
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
about
talking
about
when
the
application
is
submitted,
get
into
the
detail
of
why
you're
choosing
the
PD
method,
get'
and
and
and
how
yours,
how
your
public
benefits
are
outlined
or
but
but
more
into?
Why
are
you
using
that
tool
and
I?
Think
staff
is
very.
It
plays
a
very
important
role
in
guiding
a
develop.
O
Developer
on
that
path
that
they
can,
if
they
don't
need
to
do
the
PD
well,
then
staff
should
be
able
to
advise
them
as
to
that,
but
but
it
really
comes
down
to
I
think
our
zoning
ordinance.
If
you
you
know
there
was
talk
of
open
space.
The
PD
process
very
plainly
states
that
you
cannot
reduce
open
space.
It's
the
same
as
whatever
is
the
underlying
zone.
It's
it
mean
it's
it.
It
states
that
yet
the
difference
is
and
I
think
probably
the
the
small
lot
has
been.
O
The
thing
is
it's
just:
it's
a
treat
it's
treated
differently,
it's
kind
of
walled
in
open
space
and
so
the
definition
of
common
open
space
as
Michael
said
versus
public
open
space
or
more
of
a
community
open
space.
Even
if
it's
internal
in
the
project
is
probably
something
that
needs
to
be
looked
at,
exactly
how
you
do
it,
I
don't
know,
but
but
but
through
the
general
plan
process
and
this
zoning
modification
process
I
think
we
can
definitely
get
there.
It
is
not
gonna
be
an
easy
process.
O
O
Process
from
a
from
allowing
things
to
be
reduced
to
also
allowing
them
to
be
more
stringent,
and
it's
all
in
how
do
you
do
it
so
how
Planning
Commission,
how
City
Council?
Do
you
look
at
these
projects
and
say
being
these
projects
you?
These
pacts
are
approved
projects
they're
gone
through
the
process,
they've
gone
through.
What
we've
told
them
to
do?
O
That
should
be
reflected
in
quality
projects
that
and
have
had
a
lot
of
time
to
be
worked
on,
but
there's
a
AC,
whether
it's
you
but
but
I,
don't
I,
don't
like
overruling
you
guys,
I,
really
don't
I've
set
out
there
for
ten
years
on
the
same
seat,
you're
sitting
that
and
I
don't
like
it,
but
but
but
I
I
can't
consciously
let
it
go
through.
Knowing
that
there's
it
can
be
a
better
project.
O
The
reports
have
gotten
better
that
way,
and
so
so
I
think
that's
that's
what
we
should
be
able
to
to
get
to
I
I
certainly
hope.
No
one
looks
at
getting
rid
of
the
PD
process
because
we
read
something
to
get
us
through
the
next
two
years
or
so,
whatever
it
takes
to
get
this
fixed,
but
I
hope
we
look
at
it
on
a
project-by-project
basis,
with
a
with
a
different
attitude
and
I
think.
O
Cathy
statement
was
right:
if
you
look
at
the
the
PDS
we've
had
it's
because
we've
not
our
zoning
horse
doesn't
conform
to
what
the
product
is.
That's
that
that
the
market
is
is
is
but
that's
the
active
for
product
in
the
market
and
I
I'm
one
for
I
mean
we
need
to
address
that
in
our
in
our
zoning
ordinance,
so
I'm
I
thought
again.
O
And
if
it
is
it's
because
of
us
allowing
it
to
be
that
way,
because
you
have
more
control
on
a
PD
than
you
do
any
other
project
and
so
I
think,
if
I
think,
if
I
encourage
my
colleagues
to
get
the
General
Plan
Update
in
this
year's
budget,
because
it's
not
right
now
and
at
least
I,
don't
think
it
is
and
because
I
think
it's
something
that
is
long
overdue
and
really
does
need
to
be
dealt
with
as
fast
as
we
can
so
Thank
You.
Mr.
mayor.
H
I'd
like
to
get
us
into
a
direction
I,
you
know,
I
I,
concur
with
much
of
what
councilman
Mills
said.
You
know
some
want
to
make
the
PDD
a
four-letter
word,
and
it
simply
isn't.
It
is
how
we've
used
it.
It's
also
been
deformed,
not
because
it
was
anybody's
intention.
It
was
deformed
partially
because
of
market.
It
was
a
market
driven
issue
and
that
developers
were
coming
in
for
a
lower
density
separating.
H
So
in
other
words,
rather
than
the
many
more
attached
units
they
could
have
had
they
traded
those
in
for
single-family
houses,
on
postage
stamp,
Lots
and
and
in
vertical
houses.
Well,
they
didn't
do
that
because
they
thought
it
was
a
great
idea.
They
did
it
because
people
want
them
and
to
this
moment
as
we
speak,
they
can't
be
built
fast
enough
and
they're
sold
immediately
in
some
of
these
hat
places
are
selling
out
before
they're,
even
built
now.
So
to
me,
sometimes
the
booby
prize
is
trying
to
understand
how
you
got
to
a
certain
place.
H
There
are
many
factors
that
contributed
to
that
and
society.
The
market
and
the
economy
can
drive
a
lot
of
that
because,
prior
to
ten
years
ago,
pdds
were
not
a
problem.
Mr.
donenfeld
I
think
laid
out
a
great
history
on
it.
I
can
remember
when
I
was
on
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
first
time
I
turned
to
a
developer
and
said
where's
your
public
benefit.
Kathy
will
remember
this.
He
flipped
out
on
me
and
started
screaming
at
me
and
said:
I've
never
heard
about
this.
H
H
So
I
agree
with
you
that
it's
time
to
accept
that
it's
time
to
get
moving
on
the
general
plan,
I,
don't
think
our
zoning
is
a
nightmare,
I
loved
hearing
that
our
zoning
was
50
years
old,
because
a
lot
of
what's
been
developed
in
the
last
15
years
is
great
and
many
things
that
were
created
by
PDD
are
nice
projects.
Some
are
not
so
nice.
The
city
is
not
ruined
by
any
stretch
of
the
imagination.
H
I
think
that,
where
I'd
like
to
see
us
go
with
this
as
soon
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
I
think
there
is
probably
half
of
this.
Our
things,
that's
that
we
can
use
immediately
that
can
go
into
a
form
that
is
handed
to
developers
and
and
basically
a
developer
to
what
hath
would
be
handed
a
kit
that
he
would
have
to
fill
out
or
she
would
have
to
fill
out
and
justify
their
reason
for
doing
this,
and
if
their
justifications
don't
work
than
the
PD
DS,
they
simply
don't
make
it.
They
simply
don't
make
it.
H
As
I
said
earlier,
they
may
not
even
go
on
to
the
Planning
Commission
that
can
be
denied.
You
have
not
justified
your
reason
for
a
PD
D,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
rest
of
it
requires
standards.
Each
recommendation
requires
some
new
standards.
Public
benefit,
which
has
been
brought
up
a
number
of
times,
is
again
it's
a
standard.
We
need
a
list.
The
type
of
public
benefits.
H
What
level
we
want
to
go
to
and
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
see
happen
here,
as
these
guys
have
all
done,
an
amazing
job,
we're
taking
in
it
and
absorbing
it.
I
guess
and
Flynn
argue
with
me,
but
my
what
I'm?
What
I
want
to
suggest
is
that
we
send
this
to
you
and
to
your
staff
to
maybe
break
it
down
into
to
us
things
that
we
can
implement
now
things
that
can
particularly
the
justification
aspects
of
it
that
we
could
institute
immediately
because
we
could
put
them
into
a
form.
H
That's
handed
to
developers
which
instantly
gives
the
Planning
Commission
the
state.
Some
of
the
standards
that
they
need
for
justification
then
make
a
second
list
of
standards
of
things
that
needed
to
be
developed,
and
then
I'd
like
to
see
you
your
recommendations
on
who
should
do
that?
Should
we
keep
the
subcommittee
in
place
if
they're
willing
to
stay
in
place
and
start
to
build
some
of
these
standards?
Do
we
want
to
hand
them
to
hand
some
of
them
to
the
Planning
Commission
to
work
on?
But
this
is.
H
This
is
a
pretty
big
thing:
we're
trying
to
attack
and
I.
Think
we've
got
all
these
intelligent
people
here
who
some
of
them
may
want
to
run
out
of
the
room
right
now,
but
they
they're
very
familiar
with
it
now
and
I.
Don't
think
we
should
give
up
this
this,
this
pool
of
skill
and
knowledge,
if
they're
willing
to
now
start
attacking
the
very
piece
of
it
very
pieces
of
it
that
they
put
into
the
commendations.
So
that
would
be
my
recommendation
on
how
to
move
forward
to
the
council.
I
I
And
I
things
have
come
through
because
they
didn't
come
through
and
less
than
then
than
that
before
and
I
thought
a
lot
about
the
the
ideology
of
a
public
benefit
and
I've
never
thought
about
it
as
a
list.
I
thought
about
it
more
as
an
ideology
and
and
I
think
we
can
accomplish
that
by
making
a
list
of
questions
and
and
and
having
significant
answers
to
them.
I
How
does
this
benefit
the
city?
How
does
it
benefit
the
citizens?
How
does
it
benefit
the
residents
of
the
project?
How
is
it
a
visual
benefit?
How
is
it
a
recreational
benefit?
How
is
it
a
health
benefit?
If,
because
you
know,
if
you
can't,
because
it
seems
to
be
and
I
think
I
said
there's
a
couple
of
weeks
ago,
when
we
had
a
project
that
the
the
the
public
benefit
de
jour
is
a
dog
park,
oh
I'll,
add
a
dog
park
and
that's
a
public
benefit
and
not
a.
K
I
Postage
stamp
dog
park
is
not
exactly
what
I'd
consider
a
public
benefit,
so
so
I
really
appreciate
the
work.
That's
been
done
and
and
I
think.
There's
I
like
your
idea,
council,
member
Roberts
of
because
I
when
I
looked
at
this
list,
I
tried
to
think
of
okay
and
that's
what
was
the
impetus
for?
My
first
question
was:
how
does
this
get
implemented,
cuz
they're
things,
and
that
we
could
do
like
right
now,
but
the
list
is
not
broken
up
that
way,
and
so
so
I
would.
Second
your
whole
evaluation
of
how
to
proceed.
F
Yeah
first
I
just
also
want
to
echo
my
appreciation.
This
was
really
useful.
This
whole
report
was
really
useful
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
recommendations.
I
agree.
We
need
to
figure
out
what
we
can
do
short
term.
What
we
need
to
do
long
term,
but
I
just
do
for
me
and
I,
don't
think
a
PD
D
is
a
dirty
word,
but
things
you
know
the
market
does
Drive
things,
but
one
of
the
reasons
we
have
rules
is
so
we
don't
let
the
market
drive
things.
F
F
And
so
you
know
these
are
it's
gone
from
being
something
that's
used
occasionally
because
of
the
way
the
zoning
is
and
the
way
the
lot
is
to
something.
That's
the
majority
and
I
think
this
is
all
designed
to
flip
it
back
and
so
I
think
that's
a
good
thing
and
I
think
it's
the
way
we
need
to
go
and
I.
P
A
Like
there's
been
a
lot
said
and
I
agree
with
virtually
everything,
that's
been
said
so
far
by
just
a
couple
of
things.
Chris,
you
said
the
zoning
ordinance
is
50
years
old.
I
didn't
realize
that
65
Wow
well
from
my
understanding,
the
the
the
general
of
the
zoning
compose
Ordinances
built
on
the
general
plan
and
our
plan
general
plan
is
10
years
old
and
the
zoning
ordinance
is
15
years
50
years
old.
A
No
wonder
we
have
this
patchwork
that
where
they
don't
really
have
the
combination,
so
your
suggestion
of
trying
to
fund
and
do
a
update
or
a
new
zoning
plan
and
a
general
plan
at
the
same
time
as
probably
it
would
be
cost-effective.
Dr.
Reddy,
is
that
a
practical
process
try
to
do
them
at
the
same
time,
perhaps
by
the
same
contractor,
would
it
save
money
or
would
it
be
effective.
I
C
Clearly,
there's
a
high
price
tag
to
this
and
there's
a
significant
amount
of
work,
but
that's
why
you
know
the
cost.
Is
there
because
you're
gonna
get
a
lot
of
assistance,
but
but
that
being
said,
I
think
this
is
one
of
those
cases
where,
even
though,
if
we
may
not
have
the
money
to
do
it
right
now,
we
certainly
start
planning
for
it.
So
we
can
articulate
when
we
will
be
doing
it,
but
there's
there's
some
informal
work.
C
That
would
be
very
helpful
now,
whether
it's
the
continued
discussion
with
the
Planning
Commission
or
the
other
groups
and
stakeholders
in
this
dialogue
with
Council,
and
we
just
need
to
to
formalize
that
in
some
way
to
keep
this
dialogue
going
and
then
be
able
to
come
back
to
and
articulate
a
plan
and
a
budget
to
get
you
ultimately
where
you
want
to
be
with.
As
councilmember
Mele
said,
it
is
going
to
be
at
least
a
two-year
adventure.
Well.
A
I
will
be
working
on
the
next
budget
in
9
or
10
months.
In
fact,
I'm
sure
you
start
your
started
working
on
next
year's
budget
already,
but
I
would
sort
of
like
to
ask
if
you
would
start
looking
into
what
get
some
estimates
of
wait.
Can
you
get
some
estimates
of
what
this
would
cost,
apparently
and
start
working
on
a
proposed
budget?
So
we
could
actually
consider
that
when
we
do
the
budget
next
year,
because
it's
hard
for
us
to
just
block
out
it'd
be
good.
O
C
A
We
should
ask
the
doctor
ready
because,
because
he's
we're
working
with
Jeff
and
Jeff
and
I
are
working
with
dr.
Reddy
now
to
try
to
find
some
recommendations
to
the
full
council
on
a
three
and
a
half
million
dollar
budget
cut
for
put
towards
our
pension
fund,
and
perhaps
could
we
integrate
this
into
it
or
we
could
try
to
identify
at
least
enough
money
to
get
this
started.
F
So
I
agree
that
we
should
get
this
started,
I
think
waiting
a
year
for
something
we
know
we
need
to
do
it's
not
like
the
money's.
All
sudden,
gonna
fall
out
of
the
sky,
we're
gonna
have
it.
So
if
we
know
we
have
to
do
it,
we
have
to
do
it
and
we
might
as
well
get
it
started
because
it
is
so
important.
So
I
think
this
is
something
that,
as
the
mayor
just
said,
you
know
we
are
working
as
a
budget
subcommittee.
F
You
know
we
have
a
budget
because
we
wanted
to
pass
one
and
we
did
a
lot
of
work
on
it,
but
we
knew
we'd
have
to
be
coming
back
right.
We're
looking
at
cuts
we're
looking
next
week,
we're
talking
about
some
revenue
generation
for
some
specific
things,
and
so
you
know
what
we've
been
talking
about
is
in
September
sort
of
coming
back.
F
F
A
H
I
just
want
to
say,
I
get
a
little
bit
concern
at
moments
like
this,
so
I
will
reveal
that
while
we
are
examining
the
position
of
the
city
manager
right
now,
I'm
putting
him
through
his
annual
review.
One
of
the
things
we
asked
of
him
was
to
talk
to
us
about
the
bandwidth,
the
bandwidth
that
is
available
for
the
staffing
that
we
have
in
his
time
and
his
abilities,
and
we
have
to
be
careful
when
we
sit
up
here
in
a
moment
of
excitement
and
lay
down
some
other
huge
goal.
H
What
I
hear
what
I
hear
on
this
table
right
now
is
an
agenda
development
idea.
Yes,
it's
a
goal.
Yes,
it's
something
we
need
to
focus
on,
but
we
also
need
to
be
very
clear
and
I'm
not
right
now
on
what
our
goal
list
is
over
the
next
three
to
five
years,
and
this
is
adding
a
gigantic
weight
on
top
of
a
pile
that
we've
already
handed
to
them.
H
So
we're
here
tonight
to
talk
about
PD,
DS
and
I'd
love
us
to
get
to
a
direction
on
that
right
now
and
then
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
this
via
jet,
this,
the
the
concept
of
the
start,
because,
as
you
point
out
Chris,
this
is
a
this
is
a
to
a
minimum
two
or
three
year
process
for
the
general
plan.
Let's
agendize
that
for
the
next
few
months
to
start
that
process.
H
But
can
we
put
the
PDD
to
bed
right
now
and
when
I
say
to
bed
to
start
to
implement
it
and
it
and
and
to
keep
that
train
on
tract
so
that
it
can
actually
find
a
station,
and
we
can
start
using
it
immediately,
because
if
the
PD
gets
weighted
back
into
zoning
or
back
into
the
general
plan,
we're
not
going
to
see
any
result
on
it
for
years
and
what
I
love
about?
What
you've
all
done
here
is.
So
much
of
this
could
be
implemented
immediately,
and
this
can
be
a
separate
track
and
I.
H
A
A
H
A
G
G
What
I
might
recommend
to
you
is
that
when
we
come
back
to
this
topic
in
September,
which
I
hope
we
will,
that
staff
will
bring
forward
a
list
to
you
identifying
what
are
the
short
term
items
that
could
be
implemented
right
away
and
then
what
are
the
longer
term
items
and
then
how
we
go
about
doing
that.
I
think
that
help
you
to
make
decisions,
but
one
of
the
things
that
would
help
me
this
evening
is
that,
if
I'm
going
to
go
through
that
exercise,
it
would
be
nice
to
know.
G
Are
there
any
of
the
recommendations
here
that
you
are
not
interested
in
pursuing
and
as
chair
warm
that
brings
up
we've
only
gone
through
one
through
25.
If
we
could
maybe
get
through
the
rest
of
the
list,
that
would
identify
for
me,
which
ones
you're
not
interested
in
pursuing,
so
I
don't
waste.
My
time
trying
to
come
up
with
ways
to
implement
that.
H
Also,
the
subcommittee
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
get
more
input
from
the
subcommittee
on
that
subject,
exactly
as
you
two
have
have
pondered
this.
Are
there
areas
on
it
that
you
want
to
point
out
to
us
that
you
don't
think
people
necessarily
benefit
us
or
for
a
future?
The
look
of
a
future
PDD
document,
our
ordinance
I.
I
Like
to
it,
I
don't
know
what
the
whether
we're
gonna
take
this
in
order,
but
the
ones
that
are
read
I
kind
of
have
some
questions
about
why
they
were
not
forwarded
or
or
why
they
were.
They
weren't
the
majority
report
and
so
I
think
we
can
do
that
if
we
take
a
bite,
you
know
if
we're
gonna
take
in
my
groups,
so
was.
K
Had
that
weren't
majority
had
to
do
with
gates
where
there
were
two
dissenting
opinions.
Those
are
the
planning,
commissioners
who
didn't
agree
with
number
45
and
then
two
items
where,
when
caret,
when
Cal
or
John,
had
a
different
position
than
the
majority,
so,
although
I
think
those
held
on
so
there
were
two
to
place
three
places
where
the
two
planning
commissioners
yeah.
I
K
I
K
Reason
that
was
that
was
that
the
Planning
Commission
had
gone
through
a
lengthy
ordinance.
We
forwarded
to
the
City
Council
that
recommended
a
two-year
extension
time
period
with
significant
conditions
as
what
what
would
merit
and
extension
and
what
the
Planning
Commission
recommend
recommended
was
that
for
pd's,
the
same
extension
criteria
and
timelines
be
extended
to
pd's
that
were
extended
to
other
other
permits
and
that
you
approved,
and
the
the
ad
hoc
committee
saw
this
before
the
Planning
Commission,
made
those
recommendations
and
forward
them
to
Council
and
console
adopted
them.
K
So
in
that
instance,
the
reason
the
Planning
Commission
changed.
That
recommendation
was
to
to
have
it
meet.
What
was
a
more
stringent
requirement
that
had
come
from
Planning
Commission
and
then
council
had
adopted
in
terms
of
extensions,
and
so
the
the
recommendation
I
believe
was
a
two-year
up
to
a
two-year
extension
and
as
opposed
to
three,
because
that
we
wanted
a
uniform
standard.
Okay.
I
K
K
P
A
K
A
K
A
A
K
Came
this,
these
came
from
pretty
much
Planning
Commission
experienced
one
was
to
have
a
study
session
early
on.
We
tend
to
have
that
anyway,
it's
not
now
a
requirement,
but
they
are
usually
complex
there.
They
don't
fit
into
a
zoning
code
and
some
original
time
with
the
applicant
is
always
fruitful.
So
to
put
that
into
the
process,
we
we
also
wanted
justifications.
We
wanted
a
stronger
step
response
or
the
these
ad
hoc
committee,
a
stronger
staff
response
saying
this
works.
K
This
doesn't
work,
we're
not
going
to
recommend
it
if
it
goes
in
the
way
it
looks
and
then
it's
to
have
findings
right
now.
The
findings
on
P
DS
reflect
only
major
architectural
and
the
CU
p
findings,
but
there
are
no
specific
findings
to
p
d--'s
that
they
match
the
general
plan
it
and
we
think
that
it
should
there.
The
set
of
findings
for
PD
should
be
thought
through
and
that
with
PDS.
The
findings
should
explain
each
of
the
variances
from
zonings
and
the
reason
that
those
were
given.
K
So
it
it's
more
of
an
explanation,
more
of
a
process
so
that
it's
clear
why
something
went
through
and
was
approved,
and
the
other
was
that
what
we've
found
is
that,
with
a
PD
going
to
architectural
advisory
first
they're,
looking
at
something
looking
at
architecture
on
land
uses
that
haven't
been
approved
and
therefore
we
get
confused.
We
kind
of
we
either
get
them
saying:
there's
not
enough
parking.
K
O
Missus
leanest
American
right.
If
I
can
comment
on
that
because
I,
that's
to
me,
that's
in
conflict
with
what
item
number
26
is
number
26
is
all
PD
should
go
to
a
study
session
of
Planning
Commission
prior
me
at
whenever
they're
they're
ready,
but
they
go
to
a
study
study
session.
First,
that's
when
you
as
a
Planning
Commission
would
comment
on
this.
This
seems
okay,
this
doesn't
seem
okay,
you
know
you're
not
voting,
but
you're,
looking
at
it
and
and
with
the
staff
report.
O
That's
that
outlines
where
the
differences
are
in
the
PD
and
and
informally,
because
you're,
not
voting,
say,
there's
a
consensus.
You
know
above
what
the
issues
are
and
then
at
that
point
I
think
you
could
go
I
wouldn't
think
you
would
go
to
architects
review
and
then
back
back
to
you
after
them.
The
reason
I
say
that
is
that
what
your
comments
are
could
affect
what
the
architectural
design
is
and
a
lot
of
times.
O
If
you
just
look
at
it
from
a
plan
standpoint,
not
even
getting
in
the
architecture
where
you're
just
dealing
with
planning
and
and
Dec-
and
you
know
if
they
want
to
put
the
architecture
and
that's
fine,
but
you
don't
you
don't
need
it
from
a
planning
standpoint.
I,
don't
think,
but
that
process
I
think
works.
Mr.
Coors
you're
shaking
your
head,
but.
K
C
C
C
O
O
In
in
the
in
the
I,
but
but
that
concept
is
good
for
the
for
the
applicant
and
to
let
him
know
if
he,
if
he's
got
issues
and
give
them
a
give
them
an
opportunity
to
fix
them
or
to
move
on
so
but
I
don't
like
going
to
to
just
have
the
having
the
the
you
guys
act
on
the
land
part,
because
I
think
it
affects
the
architecture
so
that
anyway,
that's
that's.
My
thought
on
that
I.
H
Dep
that
concept,
by
the
way
number
26
makes
you
filter
number.
Two
and
I
think
that's
a
great
idea
if
it,
if
it
passes
through
staffs,
filter
and
I,
think
very
often
they're,
not
sure
if
it's,
if
it's,
if
it's
adhering
relatively
well
to
zoning,
which
may
or
may
not
be
perfect,
it's
their
job
pretty
much
because
of
land.
H
Forward
so
it
puts
you
to
put
you
all
in
filter
to
position
which
is
to
me
the
most
important
place
at
that
point,
because
you
will
decide
whether
it
comes
back
to
you
or
not
or
whether
it
goes
to
the
AC
or
not
or
where
it
goes.
But
it's
almost
as
if
you
solved
the
product
Kathy
with
number
26
yeah.
K
Right
I
think
either
of
those
could
work
either
a
formal
Planning,
Commission,
first
or
or
a
study
session
first,
but
seeing
it
before
it
moves
forward
and
seeing
it
early
is
important
before
the
applicant
has
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
architecture
and
and
has
locked
in
a
design.
They
don't
want
to
change.
You.
P
G
H
A
K
S
Want
to
agree
with
Councilman
Mills
in
that
studies
that
we
we
for
a
long
time,
we're
doing
study
sessions
on
PD,
DS
and
major
developments,
the
more
we
do
them
the
more
we
realize
how
essential
they
are
in
the
process,
because
you
have
a
given
taken
a
study
session
with
a
developer
that
you
don't
have
an
informal,
Planning
Commission
meeting
and
you
can
really
guide
the
developer
over.
He
or
she
is
too
far
down
the
path
in
terms
of
development
with
respect
to
our
thoughts.
S
So
if
you
feel
strongly
that
AAC
should
see
it
before,
planning
makes
a
final
decision
on
it
and
it
goes
back.
I
think
the
study
session
is
a
way
for
us
to
get
our
the
water
at
the
beginning.
So
the
developer
knows
how
we
feel
about
certain
major
items
and
he
can
go
forth
and
tweak
those
items
before
he
even
gets
to
AC
so
I
think
study.
Doing
a
study
session
ought
to
be
part
of
the
process.
L
I'm
gonna
step
in
and
agree
with
that,
I
don't
know
that
we've
had
have
had
a
study
session
that
we
haven't
come
up
with
a
better
product.
It's
a.
N
L
A
A
K
The
general
plan,
I
think
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
we
all
thought
that
we
needed
a
general
plan
update
along
with
revisions
and
looks
at
the
zoning
code
that
that
was.
That
was
something
that
the
Commission
has
had
concerns
about.
We
actually
asked
for
a
long-range
planner
a
couple
of
years
ago
to
the
old
City
Council,
because
we
were
concerned
that
that
they're
they're
planning
issues
that
you
can't
get
to
if
you're
just
doing
count
servicing
the
counter
and
servicing
the
day-to-day.
K
The
there
I
think
there
are
18
areas
in
the
general
plan
where
the
a
PD
is
recommended
as
the
way
to
do
something,
and
that
seems
like
it's
it's
too
much.
It
was
too
much
in
all
of
those
areas
that
the
PD
is
mentioned
should
be
reviewed
to
see
if
another
another
kind
of
permit
would
be
used
if
a
C
or
P
could
be
used.
Some
places.
K
It's
a
long
and
the
rest
of
the
subcommittee
would
have
been
more
more
generous
than
that
than
we
were
they.
We
need
to
look
at
thresholds,
the
lowest
thresholds
of
the
higher
density
residential
because
of
the
lawsuit
the
we
need
to
define
mixed-use.
We
need
more
definitions
of
open
space,
we
have
to
establish
goals
and-
and
some
of
these
things
don't
have
to
do
with
P
DS,
except
they
came
as
p
d--'s
goals
and
policies
for
the
reuse
and
redevelopment
of
golf
courses.
K
We're
going
to
be
seeing
more
of
those
we've
already
seen,
one
without
standards
that
came
out
of
the
general
plan
because
it
wasn't
anticipated,
although
it
should
be
anticipated
so
there
we,
we
found
that
the
the
general
plan
was
involved
with
the
the
pd
issue
in
lots
of
ways,
and
there
were
things
that
needed
to
be
looked
at
it.
Can
almost.
This
could
almost
be
combined
with
the
zoning
issue
and
do
it
at
the
same
time,
so
that
let's
plans
so
that
we
don't
hold
people
up.
K
But
the
other
thing
is
that
our
zoning
process
is
out
of
date.
I
mean
we
don't
we
have
a
high-rise
ordinance
that
sometimes
comes
in
to
PDS.
That's
a
suburban
ordinance
that
doesn't
really
fit
urban
sort
of
urban
planning.
That
needs
a
look
at
in
the
zoning
or
we
need
to
determine
whether
or
not
we
want
a
small
small
lot
ordinance
and
then,
where
to
put
it,
that's
the
zoning
issue.
K
We,
the
open
space
issue,
comes
up
here
again.
There
are
no
permits
for
for
mixed-use
and
multi
use.
You
can't
get
a
permit
to
do
a
mixed-use
building
without
going
through
a
PD
and
maybe
on
this,
bringing
the
zoning
code
up
to
date.
Lincoln,
since
he's
our
consultant
on
board
is
been
talking
about
this
for
five
years.
Yeah.
C
Since
I've
been
on
I've
been
on
the
Commission
for
six
years
now,
I
think
I've
been
reiterating.
We've
got
to
bring
the
zoning
ordinance
that
they
and
their
zoning
ordinance
should
be
subservient
to
the
general
plan.
We
have
two
dated
the
general
plan.
Is
people
have
said
back
in
2007
and
there
are
land
booked,
land
uses
and
policies
all
throughout
that
general
plan
they're
not
reflected
in
the
zoning
and
the
only
way
we
can
amend
that
to
prove
a
project.
C
It
has
to
be
both
consistent
with
the
zoning
and
the
journal
plan
is
to
have
a
PDD
amend
the
zoning.
We
should
not
have
peds
amending
the
general
plan.
That's
another
subject,
but
it
really
is.
It
gets
to
be
because
a
lot
of
the
lots
that
we
have
in
town
that
are
left
to
develop
are
on
our
commercial
corridors
from
those
areas
most
of
our
single-family
residential
is
built
out
those
those
other
than
single-family
residential,
or
we
have
a
lot
of
conflicts
in
our
own
planning
standards.
C
There
are
difficult
to
say
what
is
this
setbacks
supposed
to
be
because
the
zoning
says
one
thing
in
the
general
plan
says
another
now:
if
we
were
a
general
law
city
Arizona
would
have
to
be
consistent
with
the
drone
pilots
with
the
state
legislature
has
said,
but
that
doesn't
apply
to
us
from
a
charter
City,
but
we
still
cannot
approve
a
development
with
a
journal.
You
got
to
get
that
fixed
sometime
soon,
I
know
it's
a
lot
of
money,
but
a
lot
of
our
problems
come
from
that.
C
That
issue
right
there
very
internally,
inconsistent
to
use
the
planners
term
between
the
but
the
zoning
says,
and
the
general
plan
says
an
Istanbul
issued
like
gates
or
the
general
plan
tech
says
we
don't
want
any
gates
in
some
places.
You
know
people
and
several
people
on
the
council.
Don't
think
that
that's
what
it
says,
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
need
to
be
rezoning
doesn't
even
address
gates.
I,
don't
think
we
just
got
to
get
a
consistent
process.
I.
H
A
A
Think
the
bottom
line
here
is
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement,
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
need
to
be
redone
and
make
consistent
with
each
other
and
meet
modern
needs.
I
mean
there's
things
like
IT
infrastructure
in
the
city
that
most
new
general
plans
have
in
ours
doesn't
but
I
think
this
is
where
we
have
I
know.
A
There's
debate
up
here
on
this,
but
we
have
to
ask
the
city
manager
to
pencil
out
for
us
both
your
bandwidth
to
be
able
to
do
something
like
this
and
also
based
on
your
bandwidth
and
what
your
schedule
could
accommodate
for
this.
When
I
say
you
I
mean
your
you
and
your
staff
of
how
how
much
funding
would
be
needed,
then
we'll
have
to
try
to
find
that
funding
to
match
whatever
you
come
up
with
that,
you
can
do
that.
A
good
compromise
on
that.
G
H
G
So,
let's
do
this,
as
as
our
direction
to
staff
this
evening
is
I
will
go
ahead
and
work
on
that
assignment.
I
will
schedule
a
meeting
with
the
City
Council
subcommittee
in
September
that
we
can
review
that
document
and
work
program
and
once
the
City
Council
subcommittee
is
comfortable
and
feels
that
they
have
adequate
information,
we
can
bring
that
back
to
the
entire
City
Council
councillor.
O
H
A
A
A
Okay.
Well
think.
You
know
first
I
want
to
thank
all
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
all
the
committee
and
who
worked
on
this
so
hard
for
nine
months
and
I.
Think
we've
got
a
good
start
here.
I
think
we're
seeing
some
consensus
here
and
we
all
I
think
the
first
problem.
The
first
step
in
fixing
a
problem
is
recognizing.
You
have
one
and
I
think:
we've
definitely
recognized
that
we
have
one
and
we
have
the
commitment
from
both
groups
to
fix
it.