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City of Palm Springs City Council Meeting, held October 28th, 2021
A
B
A
Thank
you.
Next,
we
have
three
presentation
presentations
tonight,
so
the
first
is
an
update
about
the
monarch
apartments
groundbreaking.
I
think
we
have
a
few
slides
for
the
council
and
the
community.
So
today
you
see
us
there.
Thank
you
to
staff
for
putting
these
together,
because
we
were
just
doing
this
less
than
four
hours
ago
today
we
had
our
groundbreaking
for
choc's
monarch
apartments,
which
is
the
city's
first
new,
affordable
housing
project
in
over
a
decade.
A
So
we
were
joined
there
by
state
treasurer,
fiona
ma
who's
so
committed
to
our
region,
and
actually
this
is
the
second
time
in
two
weeks.
I
think
I've
seen
her
in
the
inland
empire
so
really
grateful
to
her
leadership
for
being
present
in
palm
springs.
To
celebrate
this
with
us,
as
well
as
supervisor
perez
who's
also
been
a
leader
with
the
county
and
supporting
this
project.
So
this
will
be
60,
multi-family,
affordable
housing
units.
You
can
see
the
address
there
on
the
slide
and
you
can
see
us
in
the
groundbreaking.
A
So
the
city
council
unanimously
supported
this
project
and
moved
it
forward,
and
we
provided
nearly
three
million
dollars
in
in
value
to
this
project.
So
we
provided
the
city
owned
land,
which
was
almost
a
million
dollars.
We
gave
direct
funding
over
a
million
dollars
to
this
project
and
we
also
waived
fees
and
things
like
that
to
make
sure
this
project
got
done.
So
this
is
a
long
time
coming.
A
I
actually
met
with
chalk
four
years
ago
when
I
was
a
council
member
elect
and
they
wanted
to
come
to
palm
springs
and
do
their
first
project
in
southern
california,
and
we
said
yes
and
the
city
council
continued
to
support
them
through
a
difficult
role,
because
it's
so
difficult
to
get
these
projects
financed.
They've
done
an
incredible
job,
we're
so
grateful
for
their
leadership
and
for
the
60
units
for
families
who
will
be
able
to
affordably
live
in
palm
springs,
which
is
so
needed
now
during
our
housing
crisis.
A
So
thank
you
to
the
county
and
chalk
and
and
treasurer
ma
and
everyone
in
the
full
city
council.
Really.
This
has
been
years
and
years
of
work
and
city
staff
and
county
staff.
As
well,
so
we
wanted
to
update
the
community
about
the
great
news
that
we
are
seeing
our
housing
policies
pay
off
and
result
in
housing
being
built
in
the
city
of
palm
springs.
A
Next,
we
have
a
presentation
for
the
new
downtown
park,
grand
opening
celebration.
I
think
I'm
giving
this
presentation
too,
but
city
council
feel
free
to
jump
in.
We
can
you
can
add
your
comments
at
the
end
and
if
you
have
them
about
the
monarch
homes
you
can
as
well.
I
know
mayor
pro
tem,
middleton
and
council
member
woods
were
there
today
at
the
groundbreaking,
and
we
were
there
together
at
the
new
downtown
park.
A
The
park
is
now
open
brought
to
you
by
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
our
measure
j
tax
dollars.
Thank
you
so
much
to
our
residents
for
taxing
themselves
with
measure
j,
a
one
cent
sales
tax
to
fund
the
downtown
redevelopment
and
finalizing
or
redevelop
downtown
and
investing
in
an
amenity
like
this,
which
is
a
beautiful
park
for
our
community.
A
If
you
haven't
been
there,
we
encourage
you.
Please
visit,
take
photos
post
them
on
social
media,
bring
your
friends
and
family.
So
you
can
see
just
this
beautiful
water
feature
with
a
waterfall
and
water
on
the
ground
for
kids
and
anyone
who
wants
to
play
in
the
water.
I
know
that
was
my
favorite
part
of
the
opening
was
watching
the
kids
splash
around
in
the
water.
A
A
All
of
the
you
know
everyone
who's
involved
in
the
construction
and
design,
and
especially
rios
for
just
a
really
beautiful,
incredible
park,
which
is
such
a
testament
to
our
community
and
our
natural
environment
and
then
down
at
the
bottom.
A
You
can
see
that
we
have
an
amphitheater
for
free
community
events
and
concerts
in
the
park
which
I'm
just
so
excited
about,
so
you
can
see
their
abba
fab
playing
and
we
gotta
enjoy
their
music,
so
great
community
event,
so
glad
that
everyone
who
was
able
to
make
it
and
celebrate
and
looking
forward
to
decades
and
decades
more
to
come
of
fun
and
community
gathering
at
this
park.
D
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
and
council.
We
had
a
leadership
team
meeting
last
week
or
actually
earlier
this
week,
where
acting
chief
demare
presented
on
some
of
the
training
that
our
police
department
has
done,
which
was
not
only
great
to
impart
some
of
that
knowledge
on
the
rest
of
the
team.
But
I
just
noted
how
impressive
it
is
that,
while
the
team
is
somewhat
short-handed
and
overextended
that
they
continue
to
push
forward,
not
just
on
the
basic
training,
that's
needed,
but
really
the
training.
D
That's
needed
in
the
modern
era
of
policing,
where
we're
always
trying
to
improve
relationships
with
community
members
and
the
content
was
really
rich.
So
I
wanted
an
acting
chief
to
come
in
and
just
explain
a
little
bit
to
you
and
the
community
about
some
of
the
things
that
our
officers
are
doing
on
both
officers
and
support
staff,
to
really
modernize
and
and
to
account
for
the
kinds
of
training
like
implicit
bias
that
are
really
necessary
to
make
sure
that
we're
serving
all
of
palm
springs.
D
E
Thank
you
very
much.
So,
over
the
span
of
three
weeks,
we
presented
a
principled
policing
course
to
our
entire
department.
This
training
was
so
important
that
we
presented
it
to
both
our
law
enforcement
officers
and
our
non-sworn
professional
staff.
Each
of
these
courses
were
a
full
day
of
training
and
tonight
I'm
going
to
share
just
a
small
portion
of
the
material
that
was
presented
during
that
training
at
our
department.
E
In
addition
to
learning
about
procedural
justice
and
implicit
bias,
we
talked
about
our
goals
in
policing
and
expectations
of
and
for
law
enforcement
officers.
We
learned
about
and
defined
different
types
of
bias,
including
stereotypes,
prejudice
and
discrimination,
and
we
also
discussed
the
historical
role
of
policing
and
the
impact
that
that
history
has
on
modern
day,
policing.
E
E
Trust
is
built
by
giving
others
a
voice,
treating
them
with
dignity
and
respect
and
being
neutral
and
transparent.
When
we
make
decisions,
there
is
a
direct
correlation
between
procedural
justice
and
police
legitimacy.
If
officers
are
given
a
voice,
decisions
are
made
with
transparency,
they
are
treated
with
respect
and
there
is
trust
within
our
organization.
E
They
are
in
turn
more
apt
to
treat
those
that
they
come
into
contact
with
the
same
way,
a
community's
perception
of
their
law
enforcement
organization
or
the
legitimacy
of
it
is
shaped
by
an
officer's
encounter
and
whether
they
believe
that
those
encounters
are
procedurally
just
this
doesn't
mean
that
officers
don't
make
arrests
or
hold
violators
accountable
or
refrain
from
having
tough
conversations.
What
it
does
mean
is
that
our
interactions
are
done
in
a
way
that
preserves
dignity
and
works,
to
build
a
greater
level
of
trust.
E
Implicit
bias
are
is
thoughts
and
feelings
about
people
that
we're
unaware
of
and
can
influence
ours
and
others
actions.
It's
unconsciously
developed.
Everyone
has
bias
and
no
one
is
immune
to
it.
The
human
brain
automatically
processes,
processes
and
categorizes
information
that
it
receives.
We
all
have
our
own
individual,
personal
experiences
and
different
stimuli
in
our
lives
and
our
brain
processes.
This
information
that
we've
received
and
unconsciously
attributes
traits
or
characteristics
that
may
be
unique
to
an
individual
and
applies
them
into
an
entire
group
of
people.
E
E
Studies
have
shown
that,
when
we're
tired
stressed
threatened,
multitasking
or
new
at
something,
we
rely
more
heavily
on
implicit
bias
and,
although
we
all
have
bias
recognition
and
awareness
of
this
bias
is
a
first
step
in
mitigating
impact
that
it
has
on
us
as
law
enforcement
officers,
we
can
mitigate
our
biases
by
attending
training
courses
like
the
one
that
we
hosted
better
managing
our
time.
Reducing
stress
and
fatigue,
holding
ourselves
accountable
and
continuing
to
have
positive
contacts
with
the
community.
E
E
E
So
we
talked
about
what
we
can
do
and
how
we
move
forward
together
as
law
enforcement
communities,
understanding
that
people
that
we
come
into
contact
may
distrust
or
even
be
fearful
of
law
enforcement.
We
recognize
that
we
have
the
opportunity
to
impact
perception
with
every
single
contact
that
we
make.
E
We
have
some
very
unique
opportunities
to
connect
with
our
community
here
in
palm
springs
with
our
community
police
academies
that
we
host
in
both
english
and
spanish.
Our
police
explorer
program,
our
school
resource
officer,
program,
national
night
out,
town
hall
meetings,
toy
drives
and
organized
neighborhood
involvement,
just
to
name
a
few
chances
to
have
positive
impacts
are
not
limited
to
these
situations,
because
we
have
the
ability
to
practice
the
tenets
of
procedural
justice
with
every
single
contact
we
make.
E
A
A
A
The
next
item
is
acceptance
of
the
agenda
city
council
will
discuss
the
order
of
the
agenda,
may
amend
the
order,
add
urgency,
items,
note,
abstentions
or
no
votes
on
the
consent,
calendar
items
or
request
consent,
calendar
items
be
removed
for
separate
discussion.
I'd
like
to
entertain
a
motion
for
acceptance
of
the
agenda.
Are
there
any
item
or
items
that
staff
or
council
members
would
like
remove?
First
I'll
start
with
staff?
Do
you
have
any
items
at
this
time.
A
F
A
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem
I
just
was
discussing.
We
often
put
important
conversations
at
the
very
end
when
it's
very
late,
so
I
appreciate
you
raising
that.
Thank
you
great
job
with
the
palm
springs
theme,
and
so
that
would
be
to
consider
that
after
public
hearings.
A
Not
seeing
any
can
I
have
a
motion
to
accept
the
order
of
the
agenda
with
item
5c
to
occur
following
consideration
of
the
excluded
consent,
calendar
items
and
item
1i
as
an
indian
canyon
pulled
for
separate
discussion.
Can
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second?
Please
don't
move
I'll?
Second,
thank
you.
Can
we
roll
call
vote?
Please.
B
A
A
Thank
you.
Next,
we
would
like
to
request
a
report
of
closed
session
from
our
city
attorney
jeff
ballinger,.
A
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
public
testimony.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
city
council
on
non-public
hearing
agenda
items.
Only
it's
always
a
mouthful,
so
agenda
items
on
the
council
agenda
that
are
not
public
hearing
items.
Two
minutes
will
be
assigned
to
each
speaker.
A
You're
asked
to
please
begin
your
time
by
telling
us
what
an
agenda
item
or
items
you're
speaking
about
please
note
that
testimony
for
public
hearings
will
be
taken
at
the
time
of
the
public
hearing
and
general
public
comment
for
subjects
not
on
the
agenda
will
be
taken
later
in
the
evening.
We
shoot
for
around
9
00
pm,
so
tonight
the
city
clerk
will
be
contacting
speakers
by
telephone
city
clerk.
If
you
could
please
begin.
C
H
Chair
of
the
sustainability
commission
and
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
commission
on
agenda
item
5b,
as
outlined
in
the
climate
action
roadmap
and
staff
report
developed
with
input
from
the
commission.
Climate
change
has
a
profound
impact
on
palm
springs
from
droughts
to
extreme
heat,
to
fires
in
the
nearby
hills.
H
Although
the
city
has
taken
action,
such
as
the
move
to
carbon
free
energy
from
desert,
community
energy
that
led
the
city
to
achieve
its
goal
of
reducing
ghg
emissions
to
1990
levels
by
2020,
much
more
work
needs
to
be
done
to
achieve
additional
state
ghg
reduction
and
energy
efficiency
goals.
The
commission
has
done
substantial
work,
developing
two
ordinance
proposals
referred
to
in
the
staff
report,
one
to
require
energy
efficiency
standards
for
existing
single-family
homes
beyond
the
california
energy
code
and
another
to
require
cannabis,
growth
facilities
and
larger
commercial
businesses
to
use
carbon
free
energy.
H
Further
ghg
reductions
can
be
achieved
by
adopting
cost-effective
electrification
requirements
for
new
buildings,
as
many
other
california
jurisdictions
have
done.
We
request
council
direction
on
whether
to
move
forward
with
our
work
on
these
organs
proposals
and
conduct
further
research
on
building
electrification
options,
with
input
from
staff
and
consultants
as
needed,
and
bring
ordinances
to
council
for
consideration
following
stakeholder
input.
Council
should
also
provide
direction
on
actions
to
reduce
ghg
emissions
from
transportation
and
the
city's
internal
operations.
H
Most
importantly,
the
fight
against
climate
change
requires
additional
staff
resources
and
a
coordinated
commitment
to
sustainability
across
all
city
departments.
Not
just
the
office
of
sustainability.
Palm
springs
must
continue
to
demonstrate
its
sustainability
leadership
with
personal
personnel
and
policies
that
will
serve
as
an
example
to
our
valley
and
state.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
I
am
available
for
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
I
Good
afternoon,
council
hope
everything
is
well
and
thank
you
for
the
beautiful
park
downtown.
I'm
calling
regarding
two
items:
the
first
one
about
the
homeless,
building
that
project
you're
planning
to
conduct.
We
are
in
my
neighborhood
who
are
not
in.
We
are
all
for
finding
a
solution
for
homelessness.
I
However,
this
location
does
not
is
not
the
right
location.
This
area
is
highly
intensified
by
residential
area.
We
already
have
a
problem
with
drugs,
shooting
and
and
fast
it's
going
to
cost
you
six
million
dollars-
and
I
know
you
this
is
attracting
to
you
because
of
the
two
buildings
on
it,
which
is
a
tear
down.
I
So
I
urge
you
to
move
it
to
another
location.
You
do
have
other
options,
and
this
is
going
to
make
a
huge
problem
for
district
one.
The
other
item
I
would
like
to
speak.
I
am
all
for
freedom
with
speech
and
politics.
I
I
This
is
political,
and
I
know
the
mayor
still
like
mayor
that
is
running
for
for
a
position,
but
that's
the
right
time
to
bring
that
in
voting.
I'm
not
really.
I
don't
understand
why
you're
bringing
the
name
of
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
finding
the
lawsuit
and
so
on,
and
the
other
thing
I
would
in
your
discussion,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
city
manager
his
thoughts
on
this,
and
I
also
noticed
that
you
have
more
than
one
organization
and
I'd
like
every
single
organization
is
spelled
out.
A
H
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening,
ladies
and
gentlemen
and
distinguished
council
members.
My
name
is
francisco
ramos.
I'm
giving
comments
on
behalf
of
joy
silver,
a
palm
springs
resident.
The
first
comment
is
regarding
the
homeless
navigation
center.
Joey
would
like
to
reiterate
that
I
would
like
to
go
on
record
as
supporting
the
palm
springs
proposed
homeless
navigation
center
poised
to
provide
a
full
suite
of
support
services
necessary
to
serve
our
unhoused
population.
H
H
In
light
of
the
city's
recent
success
with
martha's
village
and
the
kitchen's
ability
to
provide
its
professional
management
to
the
palm
springs
access
center,
I
have
full
confidence
in
the
palm
springs.
Partnership
martha's,
one
of
largest
providers
of
homeless
services
in
the
coachella
valley
and
riverside
county,
has
a
history
dating
back
to
before
1990.
H
possessing
the
strong
operational
necessary
for
this
endeavor.
They
have
the
experience
to
ensure
effectiveness
and
long-term
sustainability
of
a
navigational
center.
Thank
you
to
the
city
council
for
moving
forward
with
this
proposal
to
those
who
advocate
from
the
county
inside
and
to
the
advocates
and
residents
supporting
this
solution.
H
My
second
comment
is
regarding
sheriff
chad,
bianco
again
from
joy.
I
would
like
to
voice
my
support
to
the
city
council
for
issuing
a
letter
of
support
for
the
aclu's
request
for
investigation
into
sheriff
bianco
he's
among
those
sheriffs
who
believe
that
they
are
above
the
law
and
has
repeatedly
demonstrated
that
he
is
an
extremist
with
dangerous
views.
He's
added
many
guns
to
our
street
since
he's
become
elected.
His
conspiratorial
anti-vaxxer,
anti-master
rants,
are
on
mainstream
and
social
media.
H
His
idea
of
public
safety
is
shown
by
his
use
of
excessive
force,
his
racist
policies
and
his
inability
to
do
his
actual
jobs
has
put
all
of
riverside
county
at
risk.
He
must
be
held
accountable
and
we
must
vote
him
out.
Thank
you
for
your
courage
and
commitment
to
stand
up
for
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
thank
you
for
your
role
in
protecting
our
democracy
from
joy,
silver,
co-chair
of
the
bianco
mo
scale
campaign
and
myself
francisco
ramos.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention.
Thank.
C
G
Hello,
commissioners
and
staff
exotic
experience
rents
the
warehouse
at
1251
montana
way.
I'm
the
owner
of
the
building
these
these
guys
have
been
great
tenants
cooperate
and
do
everything
they're
supposed
to
do
in
regards
to
cannabis
guidelines.
I've
had
no
issues
with
them
as
tenants.
G
However,
I'm
a
little
confused
in
regards
to
the
retail,
storefront
or
non-retail
store
as
I've
emailed
before
we
already
have
a
dispensary
that
built
up
a
good
business
and
I
don't
want
to
have
a
two
dispensers
with
one
building
competing
against
each
other,
just
not
the
right
thing
to
do
and
not
going
to
work
for
the
other
dispensary,
but
I
do
think
there
is
a
use
for
delivery
in
the
palm
springs
area
and
again,
I'm
not
sure
what
the
regulations
are
non-storefront
or
storefront,
but
I
am
not
in
favor
of
having
retail
store
crime
at
this
location.
I
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
city,
council,
city
manager
and
community
members.
My
name
is
lena
sola.
I
am
a
member
of
the
community
partnership
on
homelessness.
A
complex
issue
like
homelessness
requires
a
combination
of
short,
medium
and
long
term
programs.
The
city
and
county
are
addressing
many
of
these
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
lose
sight
of
current
needs.
We
applaud
the
city
for
pursuing
the
installation
of
a
comprehensive
navigation
center
for
the
unhoused.
I
We
commend
the
city
for
closing
locations
where
homeless,
congregate
to
buy
and
sell
illicit
drugs.
We
endorsed
the
city's
decision
to
contract
with
martha's
kitchen
to
run
the
overnight
cooling
center
at
the
first
united
methodist
church
during
the
summer
months
and
set
up
an
access
center
to
provide
additional
services
and
case
management.
I
I
volunteer
at
the
overnight
shelter
and
I
have
seen
the
clients
steadily
increase
to
full
capacity.
These
clients
are
extremely
thankful
to
have
a
place
to
eat,
shower,
store
their
belongings
and
sleep
safely
at
night.
This
satisfies
all
the
suggested
criteria
listed
on
page
two
of
the
staff
report.
These
clients
are
respectful
and
are
their
own
community.
They
are
looking
for
jobs
and
permanent
housing.
I
I
There
needs
to
be
a
plan
to
provide
an
overnight
shelter
during
the
gap
period
when
the
shelter
closes
and
the
navigation
center
opens
a
property
with
manufacturing
or
sit
keys
where
no
seat
is
required
turned
into
a
prairie
shelter.
The
city
is
committed
to
provide
our
homeless
a
safe
environment.
What
will
become
of
these
clients
when
they
again
become
unsheltered
and
exposed
to
the
elements
and
dangers
of
living
on
the
street?
C
G
Rasa
is
a
coalition
of
community
leaders
and
neighbors
across
the
county,
including
many
of
your
own
constituents
who
are
working
together
to
hold
our
law
enforcement
accountable.
Like
you,
we
believe
we
are
all
safer
by
having
forward-thinking
leaders
who
believe
in
transparency,
public
safety
and
equal
protection
under
the
law.
C
They
believe
sheriffs
are
the
ultimate
authority
with
no
limits
to
their
power.
This
belief
is
not
only
unethical
and
wrong,
but
it's
very
dangerous.
We
stand
with
you
in
supporting
this
urgent
call
on
behalf
of
all
palm
springs
residents
to
the
california
attorney
general
requesting
he
immediately
opened
an
investigation
into
the
riverside
sheriff's
department
with
respect
to
persistently
inhumane
jail
conditions
and
sheriff
dianko's
refusal
to
protect
people
in
palm
springs
and
throughout
the
county
from
covid19,
through
the
enforcement
of
legislative
mandates
in
public
health
emergency
orders.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration.
H
Good
evening
city
council,
the
manager
and
staff-
I
am
david
murphy
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
community
partnership
on
homelessness
regarding
agenda
topic,
5c,
the
navigation
center,
but
before
commenting
on
the
agenda
topic,
allow
me
to
report
that
our
groups
petition
to
temporarily
close
and
reclaim
barista
park
generated
over
200
signatures
with
70
embedded
comments
in
less
than
48
hours
of
its
launch.
H
H
H
The
scope
of
the
potential
services
outlined
in
the
staff
report
is
spot
on
and
hopefully
the
scope
is
more
than
just
aspirational
but
truly
possible.
We
support
the
county
and
city's
current
focus
on
the
one
or
two
locations
with
existing
buildings
and
infrastructure
that
promise
the
fastest
path
to
full
operations.
H
Speed
to
open
is
critical,
given
the
magnitude
of
the
crisis
at
hand
on
our
streets.
Secondly,
the
initial
success
of
managing
the
secondary
community
impacts
surrounding
the
new
access
center
are
really
encouraging
and
lead
us
to
be
optimistic
that
the
same
will
hold
true
for
the
new
navigation
center.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
attention.
G
Good
evening
city
council,
my
name
is
jacob
bustis
owner
of
exotic
extractions
rnc.
I
am
here
line
item
5a
for
a
minor
business
modification
at
1251
montauk
unit,
l
ever
since
palm
springs
opened
the
door
to
cannabis
companies.
I
envisioned
operating
a
retail
delivery
service
out
of
the
greater
desert
region.
I
first
started
down
the
path
of
cannabis
operations
within
the
city
by
applying
for
a
distribution
license
in
january
2020.
G
G
H
Thank
you,
okay.
Yes,
I
am
here
to
say
that
these
numbers,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
my
name
is
santos
felix.
I
would
like
to
voice
a
concern
and
a
solution
to
the
homeless
population
in
palm
springs
and
throughout
the
coachella
valley.
The
statistics
say
that
only
55
percent
of
the
homeless
population
suffer
from
a
diagnosable
mental
illness
and
44
suffer
from
addiction.
I
am
here
to
say
that
these
numbers
are
grossly
understated,
because
I
personally
go
out
every
day
to
deliver
meals
that
I
prepare
to
homeless
individuals
in
need.
I
have
no
instrument.
H
H
H
Many
of
the
individuals
have
a
primary
issue
of
mental
illness
and
the
secondary
issue
of
addiction
as
a
result
of
self-medicating,
therefore,
leaving
them
hopeless,
homeless,
living
in
the
articles
of
storefronts
urinating
in
public
and
committing
crimes
that
would
otherwise
not
be
committed
if
they
had
shelter.
Food
resources
to
mental
health
professionals,
who
had
a
sincere
level
of
care
and
concern
for
the
forgotten
ones
who
live
in
the
darkness,
suffer
in
silence
and
have
no
hope
of
ever
becoming
self-supporting.
Through
the
contributions,
I
propose.
G
Good
evening
my
name
is
sean
emerson,
and
I
am
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
community
partnership
on
homelessness
regarding
agenda
topic,
5c,
the
navigation
center.
We
are
encouraged
by
progress
made
through
the
collaboration
between
the
city
and
county
on
the
funding
and
location
options
for
the
navigation
center.
G
H
Yes,
brad
anderson
I
currently
live
in
the
city
of
rancho
mirage.
I
was
just
told
I
have
two
minutes
to
talk
on
all
three
items
that
I
asked
to
talk
about,
and
there
was
a
confusion
I
guess
today,
but
anyway
this
is
like
crack,
but
I
talked
about
that
earlier.
I
want
to
talk
about
item
1a,
one
e
and
one
eye.
This
is
the
ab361
which
they're
using
to
remotely
do
this
meeting
today
and
there's
very
many
issues
wrong
with
that
and
I'm
going
to
start
with
this.
H
This
was
drafted
back
in
february
2020
and
this
is
a
whole
month
before
the
governor
did
his
mandate.
So
this
was
a
pre-arranged
agreement
to
do
this
and
it's
an
urgency
clause
so
definitely
look
into
it
and,
of
course
you
you
didn't,
allow
the
citizens
of
your
city
to
even
review
the
law,
because
you
didn't
include
it
in
the
staff
report
today
and
that's
very
critical.
I
would
think
that
people
would
understand
that
and
then
yeah
item.
One
e
is
the
reappointment
of
their
control
rally
mosquito
electric
enthusiastic
appointed
trustee
with
doug
coot.
H
I
was
a
veterinarian
in
town.
I
used
to
go
to
him
about
22
years
ago,
but
he
also
is
the
general
manager
of
the
partner
in
business
with
his
wife
and
as
he
hired
her
way
back
20
years
ago,
and
he
sat
on
two
ad
hoc
committees
for
general
manager
for
his
pay
ways,
and-
and
he
should
excuse
himself
from
that-
but
there's
very
serious
issues
here
with
credibility
and
ethics
and
item
one.
H
I
is
a
letter
to
the
attorney
general
concerning
the
sheriff's
department
riverside
county,
which
is
not
your
sheriff's
department
or
you're
replaced
from
it,
and
it's
definitely
political
and
the
mayor
should
be
ashamed
of
herself.
Thank
you
and
I'm
speaking
at
the
non-agenda
items
too.
Thank.
G
Good
evening,
council
staff,
my
name
is
jeter
crawford,
I'm
vice
president
of
the
desert,
highland
gateway
space,
community
reaction
association.
I
want
to
speak
tonight
on
the
potential
homeless
navigation
center
at
3589,
mccarthy
road.
G
We
understand,
there's
a
big
need
for
homeless
services
all
over
the
country
and
our
city
is
not
exempt
palm
springs.
Residents
and
businesses
require
worsening
problems
with
with
the
unhoused
population,
including
increased
rates
and
disturbance
crash
violence,
mental
illness
and
substance
abuse.
G
G
Our
neighborhood
is
already
a
food
desert,
there's
no
grocery
stores,
pharmacies
or
banks,
we're
in
desperate
need
or
establishments
to
stabilize
our
community,
not
hinder
it
further.
It's
like
redlining
and
de
facto
segregation
to
put
the
homeless
services
facilities
in
our
neighborhood.
This
is
an
indie
museum
at
its
finest.
G
The
city
claims
to
be
inclusive,
diverse
and
equitable,
but
none
of
this
is
evident
in
the
north
end
of
town.
This
is
a
media
adjacent
to
both
single
family
and
multi-family
residential
uses
and
two
federally
subsidized
apartment
complexes.
This
project
will
negatively
impact
our
residential
communities
nearby.
G
The
staff
report
says
the
site
is
closed
for
public
transportation
service
on
sunline
transit
route
number.
Four.
This
means
the
homeless
will
travel
directly
through
our
neighborhood,
which
ultimately
causes
us
to
worry
about
our
quality
of
life.
There
are
several
locations
around
the
city
that
will
be
more
accommodating
and
safer
with
regards
to
adjacent
neighborhoods.
G
C
I
I
My
comments
tonight
are
addressed
to
item
5
b
on
your
agenda
later
for
discussion
and
consideration
to
a
consulting
contract,
to
continue
the
work,
reviewing
the
greenhouse
gas
emissions
that
are
being
generated
throughout
the
city
and
working
towards
reduction
of
those
same
set
of
missions.
The
two
points
I'd
like
to
bring
to
your
attention
tonight
and
where
my
area
of
concern
is,
and
our
industry's
area
concern
is,
is
that
gas
continues.
Natural
gas,
propane
gas
and
other
renewable
sources
are
continue
to
be
offered
to
the
residential
and
business
communities
that
we
seriously
take
into
consideration.
I
We
want
to
make
sure
that
you
consider
those
costs
and
that
they
are
a
direct
impact
when
electric
bills
go
up
a
direct
impact
when
those
bills
go
up
to
the
consumers,
whether
they
are
residential
users
or
business
users.
We'd
also
like
to
have
you
take
into
consideration
older
housing
stock
that
predates
2010
and
looking
at
those
areas
that
those
homeowners
and
those
businesses
could
have
assistance
from
the
city
with
regards
to
remodeling
and
renovations
to
bring
them
both
up
to
code
and
energy
efficiency.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
this
evening,.
J
Hi,
honorable
city
council,
my
name
is
patrick
weiss.
I'm
going
to
speak
regarding
agenda
5c.
G
On
the
navigation
center,
I
am
strongly
in
support
of
the
navigation
center.
I
am
glad
to
see
that
something
permanent.
J
And
includes
wrap-around
services
for
our
homeless
is
now.
G
Being
proposed.
G
That
was
originally
given
to
the
city
is
being
used
for
that.
One
of
the
things
I
think
the
navigation
center
will
do
is
improve
the
quality
of
life
for
the
homeless
and.
G
Matter
where
you
put
it
and
I
think,
convincing
the
people
in
that
area
that
this
is
different
from
the
previous
issue,
where
we
had
the
drop-in.
J
G
J
J
G
I
Thank
you
so
much.
You
know
it's
so
sad
that
every
day
I
read
or
hear
that
we
really
need
to
do
something
about
the
homeless,
and
that
is
followed
by
just
don't
do
it
in
my
neighborhood.
So
I'm
calling
because
the
proposed
navigation
center
is
in
my
neighborhood
and
I
am
100
in
favor
of
it.
We
do
have
a
serious
problem
with
people
not
having
homes.
I
The
young
house
in
our
community
has
hit
a
critical
level,
and
I
I
really
want
to
compliment
the
city
on
looking
at
this
in
such
a
a
broad
way
in
that
it's
not
going
to
just
be
fixing
one
little
part
of
it.
So
everything
I've
read
in
the
staff
report,
I'm
excited
about
the
the
buildings
on
there
are
perfectly
suited
for
this
purpose.
I
There's
going
to
be
so
many
services
provided
there
and
the
city
is,
is
looking
at
all
of
those
services
from
small
tiny
homes
to
actual
shelter
beds,
to
job
training
to,
and
everyone
knows
to
my
favorite
thing
is
people,
and
one
of
the
reasons
why
roy's
failed
is
because
they
didn't
allow
homeless
people
that
had
animals
to
come
on
the
property,
and
so
so
I
think
that
this
is
going
to
have
a
place
for
animals.
I
It
has
a
lovely
park
is
planned
for
it,
so
I
I
really
compliment
the
city
council
and
the
staff
on
selecting
this
site.
It
can
be
up
and
running
much
quicker
than
building
something
from
the
ground
and
again
it
is
in
my
neighborhood
and
I
100
supported
just
quickly
on
another
topic.
I
really
think
the
city
has
to
do
something
about
the
college
of
the
desert.
I
read
today
about
their
cancelling
know
what
they
were
going
to
do
in
cathedral
city.
We
have
a
big
hole
in
the
middle
of
our
city,
with
nothing
done.
I
I
was
part
of
the
group
that
worked
really
hard
and
I
think
it
was
2004
2005
to
pass
the
red.
The
the
bond
issue
that
gave
them
all
the
money
that
they
have
and
since
then
they've
done
nothing
but
squander
money
and
they
squandered
money
on
what
was
supposed
to
be
a
great
project
that
they
were
doing
millions
of
dollars.
C
A
A
Thank
you
city
council
city
council
reports,
you'd
like
to
begin
council
member
garner.
B
Since
I
don't
have
reports
all
the
time
I'll
go
first,
I
do
wanted
to
just
let
people
know
that
cvep
is
having
their
17th
annual.
Greater
palm
springs
summit
will
be
november.
18Th
at
9.
00
am
so
just
wanted
to
flag
that
for
our
residents,
but
also
our
city
council,
since
we've
had
more
have
lots
of
questions
about
cfap.
B
So
this
might
be
a
good
opportunity
to
check
that
out,
and
I
also,
while
I'm
talking
about
cfap,
wanted
to
flag
that
there's
something
I
want
to
discuss
when
we,
when
we
start
talking
about
positions
and
commissions
that
we're
on,
I
think
again,
because
we've
been
having
lots
of
questions
about
steve,
it's
probably
good
to
get
a
new
representative
so
that
we're
hearing
other
perspectives
and
not
just
mine.
B
Next,
I
wanted
to
talk
about
the
district
one
town
hall
that
I
had
on
monday.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
navigation
center
which
I'll
save
for
another
time,
but
I
did
want
to
say
thank
you
to
everyone
who
attended.
It's
always
a
pleasure
to
hear
from
residents
and
to
just
let
people
know
I
thought
it
was.
It
worked.
Well.
So
we're
gonna
kind
of
rotate
between
weekdays
and
weekends,
every
other
every
other
time.
That
way
we
can
kind
of
catch
more
people.
B
The
other
is
there's
going
to
be
a
dia
de
los
muertos
event
on
november
1st
at
5
p.m.
At
the
palm
springs
pavilion,
our
parks
and
rec's
team
is
taking
this
on
which
I
really
appreciate
last
year.
I
did
this
with
my
mom
and
a
local
artist,
and
we
set
it
up
in
vista
del
monte
near
visit
almanteu.
B
It
was
really
fun,
but
it
was
also
a
lot
of
logistics,
and
so
it's
really
cool
that
parks
and
rec
is
doing
it
this
year
and
I
get
to
just
attend,
which
is
nice
for
me.
The
other
thing
is
that
I've
been
working
with
habitat
for
humanity
for
a
while
now
and
we
finally
were
able
to
do
a
project
in
district
one.
It's
still
ongoing
and
once
everything's
finished
and
I
have
permission
from
the
property
owner.
B
Hopefully
I
can
share
some
photos,
but
it
was
such
a
pleasure
to
be
out
in
district
one
doing
some
hard
work
for
a
resident.
My
parents
were
there
too.
We
had
a
volunteer
group
from
google
and
just
so
people
know
habitat
for
humanity
gets
lots
of
requests
for
volunteering,
and
so
what
they
do
is
they
identify
projects
throughout
the
coachella
valley,
and
then
they
say,
oh
sure,
google.
B
You
can
come
and
help
us
with
this
project,
so
that's
just
kind
of
how
it
works,
but
I
just
was
really
impressed
with
the
organization
and
with
how
much
more
I
know
we
can
accomplish,
and
they
were
already
identifying
other
places
residents
that
they
wanted
to
knock
on
their
door
and
ask
them
if
they
were
interested
as
well.
So
it
was.
It
was
really
great,
and
I
do
hope
that
I
can
talk
about
this
in
more
depth
coming
up
with
our
strategic
planning,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
really
good
work.
B
K
Great
thank
you
mayor.
Just
a
few
things.
K
Last
week
the
mayor,
councilmember
woods
and
I
joined
former
councilmember
j.r
roberts
at
the
plaza
theater
for
a
very
exciting
press
conference,
and
it
was
to
announce
that
david
c
lee,
who
is
a
producer
director
writer
of
many
emmy
award-winning,
shows
including
frasier,
and
the
jeffersons
and
wings
and
cheers
is,
has
made
a
lead
gift
of
five
million
dollars
to
restore
the
plaza
theater
and
so
one-on-one.
K
Thank
david
for
that
generosity
and
really
thank
j.r
who
is
working
to
fundraise
the
10
million
dollars
needed
as
a
volunteer,
and
that's
also
a
truly
extraordinary
contribution.
It
was
a
great
event
and
I
think
it
really
helps
get
that
project
that
we
were
all
so
excited
about,
pre-covid,
back
on
track
and
moving
forward.
So
that
was
really
great.
I
also
attended
the
palm
springs:
animal
shelters
first
scavenger
hunt
fundraiser,
which
was
really
a
blast.
There
were
25
teams
of
four
or
five
for
a
first
year
event.
K
It
was
great
raised
forty
thousand
dollars,
maybe
a
little
more
to
support
the
great
work
that
our
animal
sculpture
does
so
very
excited
to
share
that,
and
that's
what
I
have
thank
you
mayor.
F
It's
been
a
busy
couple
of
weeks
so,
as
we
reported
in
the
media
last
week,
riverside
county
transportation,
commission
matt
made
recommendations
regarding
additional
funding
for
the
san
gorgonio
pass.
Coachella
valley
rail
project
specifically
request
for
funding
to
complete
environmental
review
work
and
I'm
very
pleased
that
the
county
supervisors
endorsed
that
last
week.
The
vote
at
rctc
to
continue
to
keep
moving
forward
on
this
project
was
unanimous
for
representing
individuals
from
every
city
in
riverside
county.
F
So
this
is
a
project
that
is
starting
to
get
some
real
enthusiasm
in
the
public
comments
time
that
was
done
a
couple
of
months
ago,
this
project
received
over
500
public
comments
was
reported
to
us
by
staff
that
more
typically
it's
something
around
100
comments
and
I'm
very
pleased
to
be
able
to
say
that
more
comments
came
from
the
city
of
palm
springs
than
all
of
than
any
other
city.
In
fact,
we
had
almost
as
many
comments
from
our
city
as
the
top
two
other
cities
combined.
F
So
there
is
clearly
interest,
as
we
start
to
move
forward,
also
participated
in
a
metrolink
board
of
directors
meeting.
I
am
an
alternate
representing
the
riverside
county
transportation
commission
on
metrolink.
Metrolink
has
encountered
very
substantial
drops
in
the
number
of
passengers
during
the
coving
crisis,
primarily
because
it
has
been
identified
as
a
commuter
rail
and
that
people
use
it
for
the
overwhelming
majority
of
the
time
to
go
to
and
from
work.
F
What
is
very
pleasing
is
the
board
and
staff
are
recognizing
that
the
future
is
in
leisure
travel
for
rail
and
we're
seeing
much
more
enthusiasm
back
in
metropolitan,
los
angeles
orange
county
ventura
county
for
making
these
connections
to
our
area.
F
I
want
to
really
thank
a
couple
of
members
of
our
community
who
reached
out
to
me
regarding
some
very
problematic
service
with
our
from
our
local
taxi
providers
and
in
one
instance,
an
individual
who
is
disabled
was
left
waiting
for
over
two
and
a
half
hours
for
a
taxi
to
be
picked
up
that
that
report
was
moved
on
to
sunline,
which
is
responsible
for
providing
oversight
of
the
taxi
operators
in
the
coachella
valley,
and
there
has
been
not
just
simply
in
our
city
but
throughout
the
region,
a
very
significant
uptick
in
the
number
of
complaints
regarding
taxi
services.
F
At
the
start
of
the
covent
crisis.
They
were
down
to
36
drivers
for
our
entire
region
that
has
now
increased
to
approximately
55
drivers,
but
still
well
below
what
is
needed
to
be
able
to
provide
the
level
of
service
that
people
are
requesting
and
needing.
I
strongly
encourage
individuals
who
are
calling
for
taxi
service
to
be
very
direct
regarding
the
time
frames
that
they
need
to
be
picked
up.
F
Lastly,
on
sunline-
and
I
really
want
to
thank
my
colleague
mayor
gregory
for
cathedral
from
cathedral
city,
we
pushed
very
strong
that,
as
sunline
has
been
developing
a
line
in
cooperation
with
cal
state
san
bernardino
and
the
college
of
the
desert.
That
is
making
a
connection
directly
from
the
cod
campus
to
san
bernard.
The
san
bernardino
campus,
with
a
stop
at
the
metrolink
station
in
san
bernardino
that
there
needed
to
be
a
place
for
folks
in
the
west
valley
to
be
picked
up.
And
I'm
pleased
to
report
that
that
is
going
to
happen.
F
They
are
going
to
open
a
new
stop
that
will
be
at
the
interchange
of
I-10
and
gene
autry
and
palm,
and
I
want
to
ask
staff
to
work
with
rct
or
excuse
me
with
sunline
and
our
neighboring
cities,
so
that
we
can
build
a
park
and
ride
facility
where
that
stop
is
going
to
be
to
make
it
much
more
convenient
for
our
residents
across
western
coachella
valley
to
be
able
to
drive
to
that
park
and
ride,
get
on
a
bus
and
be
dropped
off
at
the
doorstep
of
the
metro
lake
connection.
F
Lastly,
along
with
council
member
garner
council
member
woods
and
mayor
hostage,
I
was
very
pleased
this
past
sunday
to
be
present
at
the
ribbon
cutting
for
the
new
mental
health
facility
reopening
at
the
lgbt
community
center
on
north
palm
canyon.
In
our
city,
the
services
there
are
free.
They
are
much
needed
in
our
community
and
thanks
to
the
generosity
of
literally
dozens
and
hundreds
of
individuals
in
our
community,
most
particularly
the
generosity
of
eisenhower
medical
center.
F
L
Thank
you
mayor
just
to
everyone
out
there.
We
did
it
and
we
are
doing
it,
and
let
me
just
for
those
of
you
who
don't
know
we
have
more
than
just
these
city
council
meetings,
most
or
all
of
us
sit
on
several
other
entities
outside
of
the
city,
keeping
us
incredibly
busy
doing
the
work
of
the
city.
That's
beyond
just
sitting
at
these
council
meetings,
and
when
I
say
we
did
it,
I
mean
our
downtown
park
that
was
mentioned
by
our
mayor.
L
The
turnout
at
the
downtown
park
for
its
grand
opening
was
phenomenal
and
I
mean
absolutely
phenomenal.
The
detailing
of
the
park
phenomenal
the
overall
part
phenomenal.
It
was
a
great
event.
We
did
it,
we
are
still
doing
it
as
council
member
core
said
we
as
we're
starting
off
with
the
help
of
j.r
roberts
to
redo
and
refurbish
the
plaza
theater.
L
L
And
as
as
mayor
pro
tem
mentioned,
the
long-awaited
access
rail
access
to
palm
springs
that
is
more
convenient
than
what
we
have
is
in
the
works
and
with
federal
funding.
Hopefully
we'll
see
that
before
I'm
in
the
grave.
L
What
this
is
is
you
can
see
construction
workers
and
our
own
staff
at
some
of
the
intersections
here
in
the
city
of
palm
springs,
putting
in
wiring
for
us
what
they
call
cv,
sync,
which
is
traffic,
signalization
and
optimization.
L
L
It
will
intru,
it
will
improve
multi-modal
mobility.
It's
going
to
maximize
highway
and
arterial
system
capacity,
it's
going
to
improve
operational
efficiency,
safety
and
the
environment
throughout
the
coachella
valley
and
by
the
environment.
One
thing
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
later
in
this
meeting
is
our
greenhouse
gases,
so
this
will
help
reduce
greenhouse
gases
and
we'll
see
later
in
the
meeting,
that
a
lot
of
those
gases
come
from
vehicle
sources
and
it's
going
to
prepare
the
agencies
in
the
coachella
valley
for
the
future
by
emerging
by
by
building
for
emergency
emerging.
L
Excuse
me,
transportation
technology,
including
connected
vehicles,
autonomous
vehicles,
big
data,
integrated
corridor
management
in
smart
cities
within
the
city
of
palm
springs.
34
signals
are
being
modified
or
upgraded
by
the
sea
day
project
those
those
include
13
on
ramon
road
and
21
of
them
are
on
highway
111..
L
L
So
the
last
thing
I
want
to
mention
is
that
one
thing
that
makes
us
such
a
great
city
here
is
that
we
have
festivals.
L
We
have
many
festivals
here
and
we
have
many
events
that
make
the
city
really
wonderful
and
councilmember
gardner
mentioned
one,
but
I
want
to
mention
another
one
that
has
been
put
on
by
a
recreation
department
and
it's
on
october
29th
and
it's
called
the
halloween
the
haunted
halloween
drive-thru,
which
is
a
free
event
at
james
o'jesse,
desert,
highland
unity
center
and
everyone's
invited
for
halloween
to
go
there.
L
There
will
be
a
suggestion
of
a
five
dollar
donation,
as
you
enter
to
support
local
charities
like
dap
health
palm
springs,
gay
men's
chorus,
the
lesbian,
gay,
bisexual
transgender,
queer
community
of
the
center
of
the
desert
and
greater
palm
springs
pride,
and
that's
going
to
go
from
four
o'clock
in
the
afternoon
until
after
8
pm
and
at
8
p.m.
They're
going
to
be
a
costume
contest.
L
Anyone
can
enter
with
fifteen
hundred
dollars
in
prizes,
which
is
good
and
then
the
last
event
that
we
have
coming
up,
which
most
people
know
about
in
the
city,
because
it's
so
big
is
pride
event
the
first
weekend
in
november
and
whether
you're
gay,
lesbian,
bisexual
or
a
supporter
of
it's
a
great
event
to
attend
to,
and
we
really
we
have
a
local
schools
marching
in
the
parade,
which
is
one
of
the
first
to
ever.
Do
it
in
the
country.
L
A
I
have
a
lot
as
well:
we've
had
a
really
busy
few
weeks
here
in
the
city
of
palm
springs,
which
is
exciting
that
you
know
we're
reopening
and
having
these
community
events
that
we've
so
desperately
missed
over
the
next
two
years.
A
I
also
attended
the
state
had
a
webinar
for
their
new
guaranteed
income
pilot
program,
so
you'll
remember,
I
joined
mayors
for
a
guaranteed
income
and
the
city
council
unanimously
passed
a
resolution
in
support
of
mayors
for
a
guaranteed
income.
So
the
state
of
california
has
allocated
35
million
dollars
for
guaranteed
income
pilot
programs,
focusing
on
foster
youth
and
pregnant
people
and
possibly
other
communities
as
well.
A
So
the
state
is
allocating
that
in
a
regional
way,
so
I've
attended
that
to
understand
how
we
might
be
able
to
get
some
of
those
state
dollars
for
guaranteed
income
for
our
residents
into
our
community
and
into
our
residents
hands,
since
it's
so
desperately
needed.
A
We
also
attended-
I
think
we
might
have
talked
about
this
before,
but
attended
the
palm
springs.
Homecoming
parade
palm
springs
high
school
homecoming
parade,
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
them
a
shout
out,
especially
the
teacher
of
the
year
who
was
honored
there.
A
I
also
started
thanks
to
the
palm
springs,
certified
farmers
market.
I
did
a
mayor's
booth
at
the
farmer's
market.
This
past
weekend
me
and
aiden.
Were
there
answering
residents,
questions
and
talking
to
people
about
issues
and
just
there
within
the
community,
and
then
we
gotta
do
our
shopping
afterwards.
A
So
it's
a
really
fun
thing
to
do
and
be
present
in
the
community
and
that's
one
thing
I
think
we've
missed
being
during
covid
and
not
really
being
able
to
have
a
physical
presence
in
our
community.
So
I'm
hoping
to
do
that
mayor's
booth
meet
the
mayor.
Ask
mayor
questions
booth
at
the
farmer's
market
and
maybe
at
village
fest
too.
If
they'll
have
me,
I
attended
and
represented
the
city
and
the
coachella
valley
association
of
governments
with
which
palm
springs
chairs
the
executive
committee.
A
San
pablo
block
party
so
they've
renovated
that
street
san
pablo
in
council
member
quintanilla's
district
and
it
was
really
beautiful
to
see
what
the
city's
done
and
to
see
cv,
link
integrated
into
you,
know,
pedestrian
areas
and
to
see
they
had
food
trucks
set
up
and
they
had
a
really
beautiful
community
celebration.
So
it's
so
great
to
be
there
in
palm
desert.
A
I
also
wanted
to
note
just
a
few
upcoming
items,
so
uc
riverside
women's
center
is
having
their
annual
persist
conference
about
women
in
politics
mayor
pro
tem
and
I
have
participated
a
few
years
now
and
we
are
speaking
this
weekend
at
that
event
about
lgbtq
city,
council,
leadership
and
representation.
A
So
for
anyone
who's
interested
about
issues
around
women
in
politics,
please
join
us
for
that
conference.
On
friday
and
saturday
we
have
the
dap
desert
aids
project.
Dap
health
desert
aids
walk
coming
up
this
weekend,
so
I
wanted
to
invite
the
community
to
that
as
well.
Many
of
us
on
city
council
will
be
there
to
kick
off
the
walk.
So
that's
this
coming
saturday
in
the
mornings,
registration
starts
at
7
a.m
and
thank
you
to
councilmember
woods
for
listing
some
of
the
parks
and
rec
halloween
events.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
flag
that
for
the
community,
too
parks
and
rec
put
on
a
floating
pumpkin
patch
at
our
pool
and
tomorrow
they're
doing
a
haunted,
halloween
drive-through
at
james,
o,
jesse
and
there's
a
number
of
events.
So
I
ask
everyone
to
look
for
that
information
online
and
please
join
us
in
celebrating
halloween
in
palm
springs.
I'm
really
glad
that
some
of
these
events
are
coming
back.
So
my
two
policy
requests
one.
You
just
heard
everything
I
did
not
everything.
A
A
So
very
much
would
love
to
see
us
have
a
policy
to
support
child
care
infrastructure
in
the
city
of
palm
springs,
for
both
council
members
and
for
the
community,
and
then
I
received
last
in
a
busy
few
weeks
last,
I
received
a
request
for
the
city
of
palm
springs
to
join
the
30
by
30
coalition.
A
So
this
is
an
international
coalition
that
was
proposed
in
april
2019
by
a
group
of
19
prominent
scientists
for
a
global
deal
for
nature,
so
designed
to
encourage
world
leaders
and
local
leaders
to
prioritize
conservation
as
a
means
to
combat
climate
change
and
biodiversity
loss,
hundreds
of
scientists
and
governments
and
residents
around
on
to
this.
So
I
I'm
hoping
to
ask
the.
A
30
30
70
mayors
have
already
agreed
to
participate
on
a
local
level.
50
countries
have
adopted
programs
for
30
by
30,
and
president
biden
has
launched
that
campaign
and
governor
gavin
newsom
has
signed
an
executive
order
in
favor
of
the
30
30
by
camp
30
by
30
campaign,
thinking
that
we
will
conserve
30
percent
of
our
open
space
and
nature
by
2030..
A
So
with
that,
if
there
are
no
other
council
member
comments,
we
will
move
to
the
consent
calendar.
So
I
will
entertain
a
motion
to
accept
the
consent
calendar
without
item
one
I,
which
has
been
removed
for
separate
discussion.
Can
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
please.
A
A
A
This
is
a
request
to
authorize
issuance
of
a
letter
to
the
office
of
the
attorney
general
in
support
of
the
aclu's
request
for
an
investigation
into
the
sheriff
riverside
county
sheriff's
department
and
sheriff
chad,
bianco
and
mayor
pro
tim
middleton
pulled
this
item.
Thank
you.
F
Yeah,
thank
you
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
keep
this
very
brief.
The
aclu
letter
is
an
extremely
powerful
letter
and
outlines
a
number
of
issues
and
out
in
allegations
provides
some
direct
evidence
for
those.
If
they
are
true
found
to
be
true,
the
consequences
for
these
actions
should
be
rather
considerable.
F
What
is
going
to
be
alleged
if
the
attorney
general
picks
up
and
follows
through
with
an
investigation,
is
an
allegation
that
will
immediately
emerge
that
the
attorney
general's
investigation
is
politically
motivated.
Now,
as
we
all
know,
the
attorney
general
will
exercise
his
judgment,
independent
of
any
political
pressure.
F
That's
what
we
elect
attorney
generals
to
do
in
our
state,
and
I
think
it's
very
important
that
we
recognize
that
it's
the
attorney
general's
responsibility
to
make
a
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
to
follow
through
with
the
investigation.
F
K
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you
for
your
work
on
this,
and
I
know
we
both
requested
this
be
brought
back,
because
I
do
think,
as
mayor
pro
tem
mentioned,
that
document
really
raises
some
very,
very
serious
issues
that
need
to
be
addressed.
K
I
don't
feel
strongly
about
the
cover
letter
as
much
as
I
do
about
us
taking
a
position
to
let
the
attorney
general
know
we
want
his
office
to
look
into
this
so
flexible.
For
me
personally,
I
know
what
others
think
on
how
the
letters
worded
happy
to
work
with
the
mayor
on
you
know
edits.
If
that's
what
the
council
wants
to
a
final
letter,
but
I
strongly
support
are
taking
a
position
about
these
very
serious
allegations
that
impact
you
know
everyone
in
riverside
county.
Thank
you,
mayor.
A
Thank
you
yes,
and
if
the
city
clerk
can
just
note
for
the
minutes
and
we'll
correct
the
staff
report,
because
council
member
chorus
did
request
this
item
and
I
support
it
and
I
agree
strongly
support
the
request
by
the
aslu
to
request
an
investigation
from
the
attorney
general.
I
think
in
thinking
through
the
cover
letter.
The
purpose
was
to
also
add
the
impacts
to
the
city
of
palm
springs,
so
we
don't
have
direct
knowledge.
We
work
with
the
riverside
county
sheriff's
department
in
our
jails.
Our
police
department
works
closely
with
them
in
transferring
inmates.
A
A
We
have
seen
that
significant
concerns
have
been
raised,
meriting
an
investigation
by
the
attorney
general,
the
I'm
okay
with
mayor
protem's
recommendation
and
happy
to
support
that.
The
only
addition
of
the
cover
letter
is
the
impact
of
the
sheriff's
decision
to
refuse
to
enforce
public
health
orders
to
put
out
misinformation
and
even
conspiracy
theories
about
the
kovid
19
pandemic,
which
has
harmed
our
residents
and
created
additional
work
for
both
us
and
our
police
department
in
responding
to
our
public
health
orders
and
educating
the
public
about
responding
to
misinformation.
A
And
that
raises
an
issue
I
think
for
the
city
and
our
residents
as
well
as
we
heard
from
public
comment.
But
I
I
defer
to
the
council
here.
If
you
want
to
issue
one
letter,
it's
always
good
to
speak
with
one
voice,
and
so
I'm
fine
with
your
proposal.
Just
noting,
for
the
record
that
there
are
additional
impacts
and
are
additional
issues
that
we
would
like
the
attorney
general's
office
to
investigate,
not
just
the
aclu's
allegations
too.
F
My
motion
would
be
that
we
redraft
the
cover
letter
to
include
the
things
that
you've
just
referenced
and
to
state
that
we
encourage
strongly
the
attorney
general
to
follow
up
to
determine,
what's
an
appropriate,
to
come
to
a
conclusion
as
to
what
the
facts
are
and
that
we
greatly
respect
the
independence
and
judgment
of
the
attorney
general.
F
Thank
you
and
that's
doing
that
really
fast
on
the
fly
and
I'm
sure
that
everybody,
whoever
sits
down
to
write
this,
will
get
it
down
much
better
than
that.
A
Thank
you.
The
next
item
has
been
moved
up,
so
that
next
item
is
5c
discussion
of
a
potential
navigation
center
at
3589,
mccarthy
road.
So
one
I'd
like
to
note
for
city
council,
unfortunately,
that
my
I
have
a
potential.
A
Financial
interest
conflict
here,
city
attorney,
helped
me
out.
My
husband
is
a
broker
and
has
one
of
the
parcels
listed
in
here
for
sale.
So
I
believe
the
city
I've
talked
to
the
city
attorney
about
how
I
may
legally
participate,
and
I've
asked
mayor
pro
tim
middleton
to
lead
the
entire
conversation
for
this
agenda
item
so
city
attorney.
Could
you
explain
for
the
public
what
I
am
legally
able
to
do
and
how
we
can
proceed
in
bifurcating?
G
I
should
note
that
you
would
be
entitled
to
listen
to
the
staff
report
and
the
public
comments
so
that
you
could
get
the
gist
of
those
before
you
would
have
to
remove
yourself
from
the
from
the
virtual
diocese,
while
the
rest
of
the
council
considers
that
one
property.
A
A
We
have
done
this
a
few
times
when
council
members
have
conflicts,
for
example
on
one
organization,
we're
funding
and
we
might
consider
it
separately,
but
I'll
leave
it
up
to
the
council
to
decide
how
you
want
to
proceed
so
we'll
listen
to
the
staff
report
I'll
remain
and
then
I
will
remove
be
removed
from
the
meeting
because
of
that
conflict.
And
then
you
can
decide
how
you
want
to
proceed
and
considering
that
item
separately,
that
option
separately
and
then,
if
there
is
further
discussion,
I
can
participate
as
needed
based
on
the
city,
attorney's
advice.
A
So
sorry,
that's
complicated.
We
have
to
work
to
make
a
living
in
palm
springs,
and
sometimes
this
happens.
So
I
appreciate
everyone's
help
with
this.
So
I'll
kick
it
over
to
mayor
pro
tim
middleton
to
start
with
the
staff
report
or
asking
for
a
staff
report.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you,
madam
mayor,
and
I
think
we
all
understand
the
dilemma
and
the
caution
that
you're
exercising,
but
we
know
how
how
strongly
you
feel
on
issues
of
homelessness,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
your
voice
is
hurt
as
much
as
possible
without
creating
a
conflict
for
you
with
that,
we
will
move
on
to
item
5c
a
discussion
of
the
potential
navigation
center
at
3589
mccarthy,
road.
M
Council
staff,
especially
my
name,
is
greg
rodriguez,
I'm
not
only
in
residence
at
palm
springs,
but
I
work
for
supervisor
manuel
perez
for
the
county,
I'm
also
the
chair
of
the
county's
continuum
of
care
and
I'm
subcontracted
with
the
coachella
valley
association
of
governments
for
the
collaborative
approach
on
homelessness
within
the
coachella
valley.
I
am
also
a
neighbor
of
this
project.
I
just
want
to
I'm
going
to
try
and
be
brief,
but
I
think
you
all
know
how
crucial
this
issue
is.
M
I
think
we
are
at
a
precipice
right
now
of
a
crisis
here
in
the
city
and
the
western
part
of
the
valley,
but
also
have
a
huge
opportunity
here,
with
not
only
location
in
my
opinion,
but
also
the
abundance
of
political
and
community
will,
as
well
as
possible
financial
resources
to
finally
make
something
that
many
of
us
have
been
dreaming
about
for
years
become
a
reality.
I
also
too
want
to
commend
staff,
especially
city
manager,
justin,
clifton
and
jay
varada,
for
an
absolutely
incredible
staff
report.
M
It's
one
of
the
best
staff
reports
I've
seen
on
this
issue
in
my
years
doing
this
work,
I'm
up
here
to
give
a
little
bit
of
a
historical
perspective
on
where
we've
come
from,
but
additionally,
how
we've
gotten
to
what
I
believe
is
a
a
crucial
decision
to
move
forward
tonight
and
and
again
an
exciting
opportunity
for
the
city
and
western
part
of
coachella
valley.
I'll,
then
turn
it
over
to
jay
varada
from
city
staff
to
go
over
the
particulars
on
the
specific
properties.
M
I
also
too
want
to
thank
the
council
for
the
collaborative
approach
and
the
city,
especially
council,
member,
coors
and
and
mayor
holstadge,
who
I
have
worked
with
for
years,
addressing
the
homeless
issues
in
palm
springs
and
especially
over
the
last
two
years
in
searching
for
this
option
of
a
navigation
center.
This
has
definitely
not
been
an
overnight
decision.
M
This
has
come
through
a
lot
of
research,
collaboration
and
again
the
opera
and
seizing
on
some
opportunities
that
we
see
make
sure
we
get
this
right
here
there
we
go
so
a
little
bit
about
where
we've
been
for
decades
now.
The
coachella
valley,
and
specifically
the
eastern
coachella
valley,
have
been
the
primary
shelter
bed
capacity
for
riverside
county,
while
cvrm
kojo
valley,
rescue
mission
and
martha's
village
had
primarily
been
shelters
in
the
past.
They
do
now
operate
on
a
full
housing
first
model
about
a
little
over
12
years
ago.
M
I
want
to
say
now,
under
the
leadership
of
former
councilwoman
jenny
fo,
this
coachella
valley,
station
of
governments
or
cvag
created
their
homeless
committee,
and
that
was
primarily
to
address
the
concerns
of
the
need
for
a
shelter
within
the
west
valley.
At
that
time
they
worked
with
roy
wilson,
who
was
a
superintel
county
supervisor
at
that
time,
to
open
roy's
desert
resource
center.
As
many
people
know,
that
was
north
of
the
I-10.
The
location
was
a
bit
challenging
in
the
beginning.
M
There
was
good
intentions
about
how
that
was
going
to
operate,
but,
as
many
people
know,
due
to
lack
of
funding
and
and
the
location
ended
up
only
being
a
place
for
people
to
sleep
overnight,
so
people
were
bust
up
their
van
up
there
from
sunrise
park
in
other
locations
for
overnight
and
then
vand
back
for
the
day.
So
it
really
didn't
serve
the
needs
that
we
needed
and
again
at
that
time,
shelters
were
really
operating
on
a
shelter
model
and
not
really
utilizing
the
homeless
first
or
housing.
M
First
excuse
me
and
the
wraparound
services
that
we
know
are
so
much
more
effective
today
in
july
or
sorry
in
the
spring
of
2017.
M
Literally
a
week
after
my
boston
was
appointed
to
office,
was
the
decision
being
made
by
the
county
in
conjunction
with
cvag,
to
close
roy's
again.
This
was
due
to
some
lack
of
funding,
but
again
just
the
inability
for
it
to
really
serve
the
needs
of
the
homelessness
community
in
the
western
part
of
the
valley.
M
M
M
It
would
behoove
me
not
to
mention
some
of
the
efforts
we
do,
but
again
in
a
collaborative
way
have
really
been
able
to
increase
our
funding
levels,
primarily
thanks
to
governor
newsom
and
the
budget,
and
some
of
the
other
allocative
efforts
that
have
happened.
Some
of
the
arpa
money
american
recovery
act,
sorry
for
acronyms
that
are
coming
down.
M
We
have
increased
our
behavioral
outreach
teams,
you'll
see
a
much
more
targeted
effort
at
that
we've
opened
the
new
palm
springs
community
health
center,
which
is
going
to
have
comprehensive
behavioral
health
and
substance
use
services
that
will
be
able
to
closely
align
with
the
navigation
campus
and
then
also
again,
our
creation
within
the
county
over
the
last
year
and
a
half
of
our
new
department
that
has
basically
taken
fragmented
efforts
over
eight
different
departments
amongst
the
county
and
created
those
under
one
in
our
homelessness,
housing
and
workforce
solutions,
department
and
then
also
over
the
past
year
and
a
half.
M
As
the
chair
of
the
continuum
of
care
and
a
member
of
the
board
of
governance.
We
have,
as
the
county
gone
through
extensive
strategic
action
planning
and
excited
about
rolling
out
that
action
plan
in
january,
with
a
really
focused
look
on
regional
and
collaborative
efforts
that
we've
seen
work
very
well
here
in
the
valley
and
then
just
a
little
bit
about
what
we've
accomplished
again
I'll
mention
the
cv,
housing
first
program
that
then
was
brought
in
house.
M
We
had
originally
contracted
that
out
with
the
provider
from
riverside,
but
brought
that
into
cvag
at
the
beginning
of
this
year
in
2021,
and
we
have
already
seen
an
amazing
amount
of
success
as
far
as
really
addressing
the
chronically
homeless.
The
cv200
basically
addresses
those
members
on
our
streets
that
are
high
utilizers
of
our
public
safety
departments,
as
well
as
our
hospital
and
emergency
rooms.
M
We
work
very
closely
with
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
the
police
department.
Captain
kovalev
is
a
huge
partner
in
this
effort,
as
well
as
the
rest
of
his
staff
and
and
helping
to
do
outreach,
especially
around
those
troubled
areas
like
barista
park.
We
implemented
as
a
county
project
room
key.
I
want
to
thank
again
the
city
of
palm
springs
and
some
of
the
hotels
that
jumped
on
board
immediately.
This
was
a
program
that
launched
in
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic
area
to
make
sure
we
were
protecting
those
on
the
streets
from
spreading
the
virus.
M
M
We
were
lucky
to
be
able
to
use
that
boxing
club
over
three
years
ago
now
believe
it
or
not
as
an
overnight
shelter
when
the
county
funded
three
shelters
for
two
years,
one
in
palm
springs
one
in
desert,
hot
springs
and
one
in
cathedral
city.
Obviously,
when
covid
hit,
we
had
to
move
that
one
to
the
high
school
and
then
eventually
to
the
united
methodist
church.
M
So
again
you
look
at
the
collaborative
efforts
that
we've
done
and
then,
of
course,
the
summer
cooling
shelters,
that's
actually
what
I
was
referencing,
not
the
access
center,
but
have
been
highly
successful
and
again,
compliments
to
the
collaborative
efforts
on
that.
I
will
highlight
on
both
of
these
programs
that
what
we
have
seen
over
the
last
three
years
at
every
location
we've
had
there
has
been
no
negative
impact
to
the
neighboring
communities
due
to
the
operations
to
the
professional
operators,
both
cvrm
and
martha's.
M
Due
to
the
collaborative
efforts
with
the
police
department
and
just
the
overall
operations
we've
had
actually
have
neighbors.
You
heard
one
tonight
that
actually
volunteer
that
are
happy
to
have
these
in
their
areas.
We
have
not
seen
those
areas.
I
would
also
highlight
too,
as
we
move
on
and
talk
about,
navigation
centers
and
what
their
impacts
are
on.
M
Community
staff
did
a
really
good
job
on
pointing
out
other
localities
within
the
state
of
california,
but
I
can
also
say
that
through
my
research
throughout
the
country
is
that
these
type
of
centers
actually
have
more
of
a
positive
effect
on
local
communities
than
they
do
on
a
negative
effect
and
then
just
overall
valley
provider.
Success
and
again,
this
just
gets
back
to
some
of
the
collaborative
efforts
that
we've
done
and
we
really
will
be
doing
a
collaborative
effort
on
the
navigation
center,
no
matter
where
it
will
be
located.
M
So
what
we
still
need-
and
you
know
as
as
I
mentioned
homelessness
is-
is
not
a
one
type
of
system
fits
all.
It's
a
comprehensive
approach
and,
as
we've
moved
through
these
various
success
models,
whether
cv,
housing,
first
or
the
cooling
centers
or
the
access
center,
the
services
that
our
county
staff
provides
as
well
as
our
providers
provide.
We
still
know
that
there's
one
missing
piece
and
that's
a
west
valley,
shelter,
access
or
a
navigation
center.
It
must
use
a
housing
first
model,
because
we
know
that
that
is
a
successful
model.
M
And
then
I
talk
a
lot
about
throughput
with
housing
choices
and
what
I'll
outline
in
kind
of
the
schematic
design
of
the
campuses
we're
doing
a
relative,
relatively
good
job.
Now,
whether
it's
county
city
staff
providers,
about
our
outreach
efforts
about
our
transitional
housing
ability
about
case
management,
can
we
get
better
on
all
of
them,
of
course,
but
where
we
really
lack
the
throughput
is
our
ability
to
get
people
into
longer
transitional
housing
and
more
important
permanent
supportive
housing.
M
So,
as
I
said
when
I
began,
we
are
at
a
critical
juncture
and
I
think
have
an
absolute
amazing
opportunity
right
now
to
offer
a
site,
I
believe
is
not
only
ideally
located,
but
also
is,
has
the
ability
to
be
up
and
running
faster
than
any
other
property
that
is
proposed
tonight
again,
we've
never
been
presented
with
the
opportunity
before
to
have
resources
for
capital
improvements
for
the
property
acquisition,
more
importantly,
for
renovations
and
then
also
the
opportunities
for
oper,
operationalizing
cap
or
capitalizing.
M
I'm
sorry
for
operational
expenses
I'll
get
into
some
of
the
financial
details
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
Again,
I
just
think
we
have
the
political
and
community
will
we
have
the
funding
streams
available
and
again
a
site
that
can
get
online
sooner
than
later?
So
I
want
to
show
a
little
bit
of
design,
and
I
I
really
want
to
emphasize.
This
is
just
an
initial
design
of
what
the
proposed
location
will
be.
This
is
a
fluid
design
that
we
will
work
with
the
city.
M
I
will
say
we'll
work
with
in
partnership
with
the
county,
with
a
service
provider
to
really
figure
out
what
is
going
to
be
ideal
service
requirements
on
this
location.
You'll
see
in
the
larger
building
at
the
top
left-hand
portion
is
the
building
c,
which
would
be
the
primary
shelter
beds.
These
will
be
individual
type
units,
so
it's
not
a
congregate
as
much
shelter.
M
We're
doing
this
one,
because
a
lot
of
homeless
individuals
will
not
go
to
a
shelter
because
of
the
fear
of
being
in
a
congregate
setting,
whether
that
is
fear
of
molestation
or
rape,
or
just
mental
health
issues
of
not
being
around
other
people,
but
also
too
god
forbid.
If
we
were
ever
to
get
into
another
pandemic
situation,
this
would
be
a
very
much
more
healthy
and
secure
system.
Obviously,
within
that
building,
you'll
have
the
necessary
facilities
for
that
and
then
off
to
the
right.
M
M
Employment
center,
are
options
for
actual
workforce
development
with
on
this
site
as
well,
we're
looking
at
actual
possible
rv
storage
and
when
I
say
storage
as
we
know
that
we
are
seeing
more
and
more
homeless
individuals
park
their
rvs
out
in
the
desert,
and
so
this
will
provide
somewhat
of
a
transitional
aspect
for
that
and
then
you'll
see
part
of
me
at
kind
of
the
middle-ish
left-hand
side
again
very
rough
designs.
M
But
what
is
really
important
here
is
about
not
just
getting
people
into
a
shelter
immediately,
but
having
some
transitional
units
to
transition
them
out,
and
one
of
the
callers
had
mentioned
this
on,
and
this
is
what's
unique
about
this
site
compared
to
other
shelter.
Type
facilities
throughout
the
state
or
country
is
what
we're
looking
for
again
is
what
I
talk
about
a
lot
about
throughput.
M
The
caller
one
of
the
callers
mentioned
like
a
studio
so
again,
looking
at
this
whole
holistic
approach,
again
utilizing
the
housing
first
model
and
again
really
intense,
wrap
around
services.
I
just
kind
of
want
to
talk
about
some
of
the
funding
mechanisms
that
I
believe
we
have
a
really
good
opportunity
on
here,
both
for
capital
and
operational.
M
I
am
not
necessarily
assigning
allocation
amounts
to
this,
but
the
county
will
be
coming
in
with
the
some
dollars
from
the
american
recovery
act
plan
that
the
supervisor
received
by
a
vote
of
the
board
last
week
addition
city
contributions
through
their
hap
funding.
There
is
a
new
round
of
the
homeless
housing
assistance
program
round
three
coming
out
that
we
will
be
looking
for
funding
for
project
home
key.
M
Many
of
you
might
remember
that
we
did
were
successful
in
getting
an
award
last
year
by
the
state
for
project
home
key
unfortunate,
and
that
was
for
the
ivy
palm
project
and
unfortunately,
due
to
bankruptcy
issues
with
that
that
fell
through.
However,
there
are
a
lot
less
restrictions
as
far
as
the
ability
to
use
those
funds.
More
importantly,
there's
a
longer
timeline
than
we
had
last
time.
So
there's
going
to
be
a
huge
opportunity
here
in
project
homekey.
M
I
really
want
to
emphasize
to
the
next
item
about
foundation
and
private
contributions,
and
these
really
are
going
to
play
a
vital
role
when
we
talk
about
ongoing
operational
costs.
I
for
long
have
argued
that
I
believe
that
if
we
had
a
vision
like
this,
if
we
had
a
plan
like
this
that
I
know
we
have
a
very
generous
community
here
on
the
western
end
of
the
valley
and
actually
throughout
the
valley.
That
would
be
more
than
willing
to
contribute
to
this.
M
I
think
the
business
community
and
the
conversations
I
have
had,
I
know
that
the
mayor
has
had
and
council
member
cores
have
had
are
not
only
supportive
of
this
concept
but
are
willing
to
pony
up,
as
we
shall
say,
and
then.
Finally,
I
want
to
talk
about
the
cal
aim.
Opportunities
for
those
who
do
not
know
medi-cal
is
basically
being
renamed
cal
aim
and
will
go
into
effect
in
january,
and
what
we
see
here
again,
these
are
for
ongoing
operational
costs.
M
Is
the
ability
now
to
build
through
medi-cal
or
cal
aim
for
supportive
services,
so
especially
with
the
medical
clinic
on
site,
whoever
we
would
contract
that
with
whether
it
would
be
somebody
like
a
borrego,
dap,
health
or
ruhs,
the
opportunities
for
us
to
be
billing
for
behavioral
health
services
for
substance
use
services
for
actually
housing
services?
It
it's
really
really
exciting
about
where
we're
being
able
to
go
through
these.
M
A
lot
of
that
will
be
managed
through
health
plans
and
for
here
locally,
and
the
majority
of
our
medi-cal
recipients
are
on
iehp
or
inland
empire
health
plan.
So
you
can
see
we're
just
not
thinking
about
what
the
structural
and
service
side
will
be
for
a
navigation
campus
in
palm
springs.
But,
more
importantly,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
build
this,
that
we
can
operate
it
and
then
we
can
operate
it
in
a
sustainable
manner.
M
Just
some
next
steps
on
this
before
I
turn
it
over
to
jay
is
obviously
continued
community
engagement,
any
concerns
that
arise
arise.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
address
and
make
sure
that
we're
addressing
those
with
factual
information
based
on
other
operations,
not
only
within
the
city
of
palm
springs
in
the
coachella
valley,
but
throughout
riverside
county
the
city
will
probably
or
some
will
be
going
out
for
a
request
for
proposal
or
an
rfp
rfp
for
a
provider.
M
I
believe
we're
looking
at
this
doing
this
sooner
or
later,
so
that
we
can
involve
that
provider
within
the
final
design
and
utilization
of
the
site
so
that
we
make
sure
we're
building
something
that
is
not
only
usable
but,
more
importantly,
that
is
the
best
benefit
to
our
homeless
individuals,
obviously
design
finalization
budget
finalization.
M
Securing
those
funding
streams
we're
already
working
on
on
those.
As
I
speak,
looking
at
how
we
expedite
processes
not
overcoming
requirements
that
we
need
to
do,
but
I
think
our
goal
here
is
to
get
something
up
and
operating
as
quickly
as
we
can
in
the
most
effective
way
as
possible
and
then
obviously
renovations
and
development.
M
So
at
this
time,
and
I'm
going
to
be
happy
to
take
questions
at
the
end
again.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
city
for
their
leadership
on
this.
It's
been
a
real
pleasure
working
again,
not
only
with
city
staff,
but
both
with
you,
council,
member,
coors
and
and
mayor
holstadge
over
these
past
years.
To
I
think
you
can
tell
my
excitement
to
see
something
I
think
we've
been
dreaming
about
really
come
to
reality,
so
I'm
very
excited
about
that,
and
with
that
I
will
turn
it
over
to
mr
verretta
get
all
my
papers.
N
Wonderful,
thank
you
greg.
That's
really
great
information
council.
When
we
were
presented
with
this
opportunity,
we
wanted
to
do
some
basic
due
diligence
before
moving
forward,
and
that
includes
comparing
the
price
of
the
property
with
other
properties,
understanding
the
cost
to
build
it
out
and
how
long
it
would
take
for
each
of
these
options
and
the
condition
of
the
property.
N
Our
development
services
department,
completed
a
phase
one
environment,
environmental
analysis
and
had
staff
from
building
and
fire
inspect
the
property,
and
it
looked.
We
also
looked
at
some
alternative
sites
next
slide.
Please.
N
We
search
for
similar
properties
for
sale,
so
industrial
buildings,
two
acres
or
more
10
000
square
feet
or
more
and
two
properties
came
up,
as
you
can
see
on
the
top
section
of
the
chart
on
the
screen.
Now,
four
seven,
seven,
five
east
ramon
and
one
two
four
three
gene
autry
and
the
average
price
per
square
foot
for
these
properties
is
136
dollars
and
23
cents.
N
N
N
I
should
note
my
understanding
and
from
the
listings
we
have
is
currently
under
contract,
so
this
is
actually
not
considered
a
target
site,
but
it
is
used
for
comparison
purposes
for
to
make
sure
that
the
property
on
mccarthy
is
the
price
being
asked
is
within
the
range
of
properties
on
the
market
and
as
we
saw,
this
property
is
available
and
at
cents
per
foot.
N
N
N
However,
it
is
smaller
than
the
pr
subject:
property
at
28
000
square
feet
versus
forty
six
thousand
seven
hundred
sixty
square
feet,
but
it
also
has
ten
current
tenants
and
some
of
those
leases
for
those
tenants
do
not
expire
until
twenty
twenty
six.
So
this
is
actually
more
of
a
investment
opportunity
for
someone
who
would
want
to
come
along
and
take
advantage
of
the
rents.
N
So
there
are
potential
additional
costs
to
buy
out
the
leases,
provide
relocation,
payments,
pay
loss
of
goodwill
and
would
take
more
time
to
negotiate
an
acquisition
if,
if
it
was
desired,
to
have
those
tenants
leave.
So
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
that
this
is
a
sort
of
challenge
in
that
sense
and
there's
no
certainty
that
the
tenants
would
agree
to
leave
early.
N
So
for
any
of
these
buildings,
the
rehab
costs
to
convert
it
into
a
shelter,
a
kitchen
would
involve
adding
adding
a
commercial
kitchen,
indoor,
interior
walls,
new
doors
and
new
windows
at
an
estimated
cost
per
square
foot
of
155
dollars.
So
that
is
for
an
existing
building,
and
I
want
to
note
also
the
cost
per
square
foot
for
creating
a
similar
space
on
a
vacant.
Parcel
is
377.
N
dollars
and
again
we
asked
the
local
architect
to
price
out
the
cost
of
the
building
new
and
rehabbing,
and
these
are
the
results
we
got
from
them.
N
So,
while
vacant
land
can
be
acquired
for
less
than
the
land
with
the
buildings,
there
is
a
development
cost
that
increases
the
overall
cost
of
the
project,
and
this
involves
adding
curbs,
paving
sidewalks
and
gutters
storm
water,
drainage
or
storage,
which
is
now
required
on
site
for
new
construction,
concrete
foundations
and
slabs
framing,
and
it
also
takes
about
twice
as
long
to
complete
a
new
project
on
a
vacant
site,
and
I
believe
one
of
the
callers
indicated
you
know,
speed
to
market
was
our
speed
to
delivering
the
product
is
an
important
part
of
serving
the
unhoused
population.
N
But
we
did
look
at
some
of
these
vacant
land
sites
just
for
comparison
purposes
again,
and
the
city
owns
this
gene
autry
site
city,
just
south
of
the
mccarthy
property
we
are
talking
about,
is
another
open
parcel
that
is
currently
on
the
market,
and
this
is
another
site
we
had
previously
discussed
when
identifying
sites
for
a
drop-in
center.
This
is
just
south
of
the
airport
runway
on
ramon
across
from
social
security
administration.
N
And
on
el
cielo,
just
south
of
the
boxing
club
is
this
vacant
lot.
That
is
also
available,
but
as
I've
indicated,
building
new
similar
and
comparable
building
would
be
about
377
dollars
per
square
foot
to
construct
or
for
a
sim
or
or
15
million
in
total.
Just
for
the
building
for
a
similar
building.
As
what
already
exists
on
mccarthy,
adding
in
the
cost
of
the
land
would
bring
a
project
to
16
or
17
million
dollars,
total
and
the
time
to
build
out
from
a
new.
N
Again
might
be
hard
to
see
on
the
slide,
but
the
mccarthy
site's
price
per
square
foot
is
not
the
highest.
It's
not
the
lowest,
but
it
is
within
the
range
of
properties
that
are
on
the
market.
N
As
is
shown
in
the
table,
you
can
see
that
12.1
million
with
a
12-month
time
frame
is
one
of
the
quicker
options
and
the
acquisition
price
is
within
a
reasonable
range
of
similar
properties
on
the
market.
N
N
You
can
see
the
mccarthy
property
is
identified
with
a
star
in
the
upper
right
towards
the
center
of
that
map.
You
see
there.
Hopefully
you
can
see
that
and
it's
you
can
see
from
there
other
facilities.
The
city
has
been
engaged
with,
such
as
the
overnight
shelters
at
dumuth
park,
the
boxing
club,
the
methodist
church
overnight,
shelter,
which
is
winding
down
where
the
ivy
palm
had
been
proposed
on
north
palm
canyon.
You
know
these
are
all
a
good
distance
away
from
the
proposed
site
here
and
again.
N
These
are
for
the
projects
where
the
assist
where
the
city
assisted
with
homelessness.
N
I
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
chamber
of
commerce
and
the
palm
springs
hotel
association
have
sent
us
support
letters
or
indicated
their
support
for
pursuing
a
project
at
the
mccarthy
property
and
we're
available
to
answer
your
questions,
and
we
also
have
the
our
consultants
from
lazar
available
to
discuss
some
best
practices
in
terms
of
providing
homeless
services.
Thank
you,
council.
F
K
Actually,
I
just
wanted
to
raise
the
issue
of
if
we're
going
to
bifurcate
one
of
the
properties
on
ramon
where
mayor
hostage
is
recusing
herself.
We
should
probably
do
that
before.
We
ask
any
questions,
so
she
can
be
put
in
the
the
room
where
she
is
not
participating
with
our
conversation.
F
All
right,
then,
let's
go
ahead
and
if
there's
no
objection
take
and
have
that
discussion
regarding
the
ramon
project
so
that
the
mayor
can
return.
So
are
there
questions
that
staff
has
regarding
the
ramon
location.
K
So
the
ramon
location
that
has
buildings
on
it-
I
don't
know
who
the
right
person
for
this
is
if
it
was
to
become
available
to
buy
again.
How
does
that?
How
does
that
fit?
In
does
that
property
work?
It
looks
like
it's
one,
big
building
versus
some
smaller
ones.
I
just
don't
know
the
comparison,
and
I
apologize.
K
I
didn't
ask
this
first,
but
if,
if
we
went
to,
if
we
were
able
to
get
that
property
and
it
fell
out
of
contract,
how
does
it
compare
to
the
one
on
mccarthy
as
far
as
being
a
good
site,
I
see
it
smaller.
I
think
it's
2.1
acres
for
3.64
acres.
Does
that
limit
the
number
of
modulars?
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense.
How
these
two
properties
would
compare.
N
N
It
is
in
a
busier
part
of
town
at
the
corner
of
ramon
and
gene
autry.
It
would
occupy
what
could
be
a
more
valuable
commercial
space
with
say,
showroom
and
take
advantage
of
that.
So
that
is
something
that
you
know.
I
don't
want
to
say:
sub
optimize,
the
use
of
the
property,
but
that
that
may
be
a
concern
and,
and
it
costs
more.
M
N
F
B
Okay,
great
just
in
terms
of
the
location
of
the
property.
B
I
just
wanted
to
to
talk
about
that
briefly,
because
when
you,
when
you
look
at
it
on
on
the
map,
which
helps
me,
it's
really
close
to
a
lot
of
businesses,
which
part
of
why
I
say
that
is
a
good
thing
is
because,
if
you're
going
to
be
in
transitional
housing
and
getting
services
and
eventually
getting
a
job,
you're
close
to
a
bunch
of
places
that
have
readily
available
entry-level
jobs,
which
I
think
is
a
really
attractive
thing.
B
And
so
so
I
just
wanted
to
to
state
that,
as
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
think
it's
an
attractive
property,
but
I
I
think
the
likelihood
of
it
coming
out
of
contract
and
all
of
that
is
probably
pretty
low.
So
I'm
fine
with
setting
it
aside,
probably
from
our
more
general
discussions.
F
Councilmember
woods,
do
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
on
this?
Okay,
I
do
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Then
the
contract
or
tentative
contract
that
now
exists
house.
How
secure
is
that
is
this:
are
we
dealing
with
something
that
truly
is
moving
forward
or
is
there
some
uncertain
reasonable
uncertainty
to
whether
or
not
this
property
is
going
to
become
available,
and
I
know
that
asks
for
speculation
and
staff
hates.
N
We
really
looked
at
these
properties
to
see
what
was
on
the
market
and
compare
the
prices.
It's
just
kind
of
noting
that.
Well,
this
one
is
under
contract,
but
we
got
the
data
on
the
price.
We
do
not
know
the
status
of
that
contract,
but
we
can,
we
might
know
somebody
who
does
okay.
I.
F
Think
it
would
be
worthwhile
before
we
walk
away
from
any
consideration
of
this
to
have
a
a
sense
of
who
is
looking
at
the
pro
at
the
property
and
and
what
the
certainty
is
of
it.
Moving
forward,
as
councilmember
garner
said
from
a
location
standpoint,
it
is
a
very
busy
street,
but
it's
also
street
that's
on
a
bus
route
directly
and
has
direct
access
within
a
matter
of
just
a
couple
of
blocks
to
a
substantial
two
substantial
shopping
centers
one
in
that
includes
a
general
market.
F
So
this
is,
this
is
a
location.
If
it
were
available
would
be
one
that
we
would.
It
would
seem
want
to
give
some
very
serious
consideration
to
if
it's
not
available,
then
it's
just
not
available.
M
And
mayor
pro
tim,
it's
greg
if
I
can
add
kind
of
going
back
on
council
member
course
and
just
to
address
councilmember
garner's.
Question
too,
is
I
think
it's
important
as
we're
going
after
funding
streams
for
truly
what
we're
calling
a
navigation
center,
the
ability
to
have
the
land
for
some
housing
components
which
that
site
would
not
have
as
far
as
access
to
amenities
like
stores
and
and
workforce
development.
You
know
again,
the
mccarthy
property
is
close
enough
to
bus
line.
M
You
know
roughly
right
now
just
based
on
the
design
of
this,
and,
if
you
take
a
comparable
at
least
a
square
footage
you're
looking
at
probably
50
to
75
at
least
shelter
beds,
it's
really
hard
until
we
get
a
real,
firm
selection
on
what
kind
of
design,
whether
it's
a
pod
home
or
more
of
a
manufacturer
type
structure.
That
would
be
more,
I
believe,
immuniable.
I
don't
want
to
sway
this
anyway,
so
I'll
careful
more
my
language
on
what
the
capacity
would
be.
M
M
There
have
been
a
couple
companies
that
have
looked
at
this
property
as
far
as
the
vacant
site
that
they
could
build
modular
type
structures
on
depending
on
the
height
you
go
the
size
of
the
unit.
You
could
feasibly
get
a
hundred
units
on
that
property
easily,
if
not
even
more.
Okay,.
F
Thank
you,
council
member
course.
K
Right,
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
you
greg
or
jay
or
the
consultant,
so
on
the
ramon
property,
it
sounds
like
we
could
do
similar
shelter
beds,
but
you
may
sound
like
we
can
do
any
of
the
transitional
housing,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
that's
what
you
meant
so
can
you
just
clarify,
like
I'm,
trying
to
get
a
sense
of
how
many
people
can
we
do
the
transitional
housing
correct
when
we
say
decide
whether
or
not
we're
going
to
say
no
on
ramone?
That's
that's
an
important
piece.
Is
the
transitional
housing
to
me?
M
Yeah,
I
wouldn't
say
we
couldn't
do
any,
but
you
would
be
severely
limited
on
the
number
that
you
could
do
there
and
I,
I
think
the
challenge
with
and
again
not
to
just
negate
any
property
outside
of
mccarthy.
B
Thank
you,
sorry
greg.
I
am
just
going
to
put
it
out
there.
I
I
am
finding
that
this
whole
presentation
is
really
pushing
the
mccarthy
site
and
I
I
really
thought
we
were
having
a
conversation
about
what
the
best
site
would
be.
I'm
sorry
I
just
I
just
need
to
state
it,
because
I
I
think
it's
something
that
the
public
is
is
probably
thinking
too.
B
I
don't
think
it's
just
me,
but
but
in
terms
of
of
this
location
that
we're
just
they're
talking
about
right
now,
it's
just
across
the
way
from
the
empty
land
that
we're
also
discussing
as
an
option.
So
for
me,
that's
another
part
of
why
this
property
were
to
be
available
as,
as
mayor
pro
tem
said,
is
attractive
because
you
literally
can
create
the
transitional
housing
right
there
across
the
street
as
an
extension
of
this
project,
which
is
actually
very
similar
to
what
is
being
proposed
at
the
mccarthy
site
and
there.
B
The
proposal
is
that
there's
land
there
that
could
potentially
be
purchased
to
build
transitional
housing
on
as
well.
So
I
I
just
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
opportunities
here
in
terms
of
really
having
robust
access
to
things
and
social
security
is
right
here
and
not,
and
not
being
so
far
away
from
so
many
of
the
services
that
that
we
need,
but
again
like
it
would
be.
It's
immensely
helpful
to
know
if
this
is
would
actually
be
an
option
or
not.
D
If
I
could
just
briefly
mayor
pro
tem
and
council
member
gardner
you're
exactly
right
that
we
did
not
spend
as
much
time
with
conceptual
layout
and
some
of
those
things
for
this
alternative,
because
we
did
not
think
it's
available,
so
it
was
really
primarily
used
for
comparative
purposes
to
try
to
put
in
context
the
parcel
that
we
do
or
the
the
property
that
we
do
see
as
available.
So
we
could
certainly
get
answers
to
the
questions
about
whether
it
might
become
available.
D
But
we
didn't
study
it
as
closely
because
it
did
not
appear
to
be
an
option
and
still
doesn't
until
we
learn
that,
maybe
it
falls
out
of
contract
or
something
like
that.
F
Thank
you.
Are
there
other
questions
comments
with
regard
to
the
ramon
site.
F
If
I
could
offer
a
suggestion
to
my
colleagues
that
we
asked
staff
to
do
the
due
diligence
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
ramon
site
is,
is
potentially
viable
in
terms
of
coming
back
on
to
the
market
and
report
that
back
to
us.
But
notwithstanding
some
reason
to
believe
that
this
site
is
going
to
become
available,
that
we
move
on
from
it.
D
Mayor
pro
time
and
council,
I
do
think
we
can
do
that.
One
of
the
things
you
might
want
to
do,
especially
given
some
of
the
time
constraints
for
the
mccarthy
property,
is
at
the
conclusion
of
this
evening's
conversation.
You
may
consider
tabling
this
item
until
the
next
meeting,
so
ironically,
because
we
have
a
meeting
next
week.
The
agenda
materials
are
already
going
out
for
that
meeting.
But
by
tabling
this
we
would
essentially
amend
that
agenda
on
monday
morning.
F
Is
that
something
that
works
for
everyone
else.
F
I
see
head
shaking.
I
don't
think
this
is
the
appropriate
time
for
unless
city
clerk
or
our
attorney
corrects
me
for
us
to
be
voting
on
that.
But
I
I'm
seeing
some
sense
of
consensus
that
all
right
for
the
city
attorney
is
it
appropriate
for
us
to
bring
the
mayor
back
into
the
room
and
into
the
discussion
as
we
now
move
forward
away
from
47.75
east
vermont?
Yes,
it
would
okay
good.
F
Madame
mayor,
welcome
back,
would
you
like
to
take
over
the
discussion
at
this
point.
F
All
right-
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
complete
this
one
and
be
happy
to
give
it
back
to
you
when
we're
finished.
F
So
with
that
issue
now
set
aside,
let's
move
on
to
a
further
discussion
regarding
the
other
alternatives
that
we
have
before
us:
an
existing
building
that
would
be
refurbished
versus
versus
other
sites.
That
would
be
new
construction.
B
I
mostly
have
comments,
and
I
wanted
to
just
share
a
little
bit
of
of
information
because
well
actually
pretty
much.
All
of
the
sites
are
in
district,
one
which
I
just
wanted
to
put
out
there,
which
I
don't
I
don't
think
is
a
bad
thing.
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear
about
that,
because,
in
my
district
boundaries
can
be
a
little
bit
difficult
for
people
to
to
know
where
things
are
I
so
I
had
a
meeting
on
monday
with
my
residents.
B
It
was
not
intended
to
be
about
this,
but
much
like
happens
when
there's
some
big
topic.
It
of
course,
there's
a
lot
of
time
spent
on
that
and
overall
residents
were
were
very
concerned
about
the
location.
Some
of
the
the
comments
are
are
ones
that
I
think
were
I
I
will.
Let
me
share
with
you.
The
comments
that
I
thought
were
relevant
to
us
in
this
conversation
are
most
relevant
to
this
conversation.
B
One
was
that
there
was
interest
from
residents
of
that
the
city
have
an
objective
criteria
in
how
we
select
a
site
for
a
navigation
center
in
similar
vein,
that
we
do
for
cups
or
other
things,
and
the
reason
this
was
brought
up
was
because
they
said
you
know,
there's
pushback,
no
matter
where
you
put
something,
but
they
were
interested
in
being
able
to
say
you
know
objectively.
Here
is
really
the
best
location,
and
this
is
why
we're
doing
this
here,
which
I
thought
was
a
really
interesting
thought
and
something
worthy
of
mentioning.
B
The
other
thing
that
was
was
raised
was
just
a
concern
about
making
sure
that
we
were
in
contact
with
the
desert
healthcare
district.
So
I
did
reach
out
to
the
desert
healthcare
district,
but
it
was
obviously
really
short
notice.
So
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
have
a
larger
conversation
about
this
site.
Then
the
healthcare
district
just
recently
gave
money
to
open
a
mobile
health
clinic
in
the
desert.
Highlands
gateway,
states
neighborhood
because
it
doesn't
have
access
to
any
medical
care
over
there.
B
So
I
thought
that
was
something
that
was
worth
also
discussing
and
then
just
a
few
other
notes
that
I
are
a
combination
of
things
that
residents
said
and
also
just
my
experience
and
for
the
record
I
I
do
live
very
close
to
this
property,
but
I'm
I
am
well
outside
a
thousand
feet
of
the
location,
which
is
why
I
can
still
participate
on
this.
B
One
of
the
things
that
was
mentioned
is
the
the
bus
lines
and
there
is
a
bus
line
that
is
probably
a
15-minute
walk
to
the
nearest
bus,
stop
on
on
either
side,
but
it
is
pretty
slow.
So
the
bus
is
our
sun
line.
I
know
we're
working
on
it,
but
the
sun
lines
comes
about
every
40
minutes
at
this
at
this
time.
So
it
is
it
isn't
that
much,
and
I
also
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
there's
one
restaurant
that's
in
walking
distance.
B
I
know
the
staff
report
kind
of
made
it
sound
like
there
were
multiple
there's,
not
I
wish
there
were.
That
would
be
great,
but
there's
not,
and
so
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
resources
that
are
that
are
close
by
here.
B
There's
a
lot
of
housing,
but
there's
there's
just
not
a
whole
lot
of
of
other
services
in
this
area,
and
that
was
one
of
my
my
biggest
concerns,
and
so,
while
I
I
like
the
idea
that
there's
this
building,
that
we
could
rehab
and
that
there's
empty
land,
and
all
of
that,
my
concern
still
remains
with
those
other
resources
with
the
difficulty
in
getting
to
a
grocery
store
the
difficulty
in
getting
to
the
social
security
office
and
then
again
that
transitional
piece.
B
If
we're
hoping
that
people
will
be
able
to
transition
out
of
homelessness
and
be
able
to
start
working,
then
I
feel
like
they
should
be
in
very,
very
close,
if
not
walking
distance,
to
an
abundance
of
jobs,
and
that's
why
I
think
the
properties
on
you
know
ramon
and
gianatri
are
so
compelling
because
of
their
people's
ability
to
literally
walk
to
to
a
job
and
to
the
social
security
office.
A
Darn,
if
I
can
interrupt
him
so
sorry,
councilmember
garner,
since
you
are
still
talking
in
general,
including
the
ramon-
oh,
no,
not
that
room
on
property.
Okay,
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
I
think
I
still
feel
uncomfortable
that
this
is
a
general
discussion
and
I'd
like
to
be
recused
just
out
of
the
abundance
of
caution.
If
I
can
so
city
attorney,
do
I
have
to
be
out
of
the
zoom
room,
or
can
I
come
and
sit
here
off
screen
and
come
in
once?
It's
not
a
general
conversation.
G
If
you're
gonna
recuse,
I
would,
I
would
recommend
just
to
step
out
of
the
zoom
room
until
until
this
agenda
item
is,
is
over.
Can.
A
I'm
so
sorry,
I
want
to
participate
since
council
left
that
other
property
just
kind
of
didn't,
make
a
decision
on
it
and
it's
still
under
as
an
option.
I
think
I
should
not
be
part
of
the
conversation
right
now.
B
And
and
yes
just
just
to
be
abundantly
clear
when
I'm
when
I
say
the
ramon
property
from
from
this
point
forward,
I
I
am
talking
about
that
piece
of
empty
land,
I'm
not
talking
about
the
other
property.
Thank
you
for
for
making
sure
that
I'm
I'm
clear
on
that
as
well.
I
think
I
think
I'll
just
wait
then
on
that,
because
I
know
I
did
have
another
point
that
I
I
kind
of
lost
and
I've
been
talking
for
a
long
time
anyway.
F
All
right,
thank
you,
councilman
mcgarner,
and
we
will
come
back
to
you.
I
know
other
questions,
comments.
K
Sure,
thank
you.
So
a
couple
things
one,
I
think
finding
a
site
that
can
be
up
and
running
faster
is
really
important.
We're
in
a
true
crisis
moment,
whether
regardless
of
which
one
of
those
sites
or
if
there
are
others
where
there's
buildings
that
we
can
get
up
and
running.
I
you
know
in
potentially
a
year
versus
two
or
three
on
vacant
land
to
me
is
just
a
high
priority.
I
think
our
community
feels
the
crisis.
K
So
I
very
much
understand
you
know
wanting
this
to
be
in
a
place
that
has
services-
and
this
is
where
I
could
use
some
more
help
from
sort
of
the
experts
on
the
timing.
If
we
did
the
vacant
ramon,
property
right
is
that,
in
the
same
shape
as
gene
autry,
where
it's
from
scratch,
because
that
I'm
trying
to
just
get
a
sense
on
these
pieces
and
then,
if
we've
done
any
outreach
on
the
property
on
gene
archery,
where
there
are
leases,
you
know
whether
there's
the
ability
to
talk
to
those
tenants.
K
Have
we
done
that
and
then
whether
those
locations
are
better
for
the
reasons
that
make
sense
to
me
that
councilman
ricardo
raised
than
the
mccarthy
property-
and
I
asked
that
other
question
earlier-
how
does
the
size
factor
in
to
be
able
to
do
the
transitional
housing
with
module
units
or
pallet
homes
or
whatever
it
is
to
get
more
people
into
actual
transitional
housing
as
soon
as
possible?
I
know
that
was
a
lot.
D
Yeah,
I
I
think
we
can
pro
jay
can
help
provide
some
context.
You
know
when,
when
we
saw
locations,
for
instance,
where
there
were
current
leases,
we
really
didn't
look
into
those,
because
again
they
just
don't
appear
to
be
available.
D
So
if,
if
council
is
interested
in
those-
and
just
noting
that
you
know
dealing
with
multiple
tenants
with
multiple
leases
really
objectively,
that
that
appears
to
me
not
available
at
least
not
immediately,
but
but
maybe
in
the
future,
so
we
could
go
down
the
path
of
something
like
inquiring
with
each
one
of
them.
D
If
there
were
opportunities
for
buyout
or
something
like
that,
but
those
kind
of
criteria
to
to
consider
a
property
in
that
condition
available,
may
even
open
it
up
to
to
others,
but
it
it
seems
a
little
more
of
a
long
shot
to
be
honest
than
looking
at
say,
vacant
parcels
or
or
parcels
that
are
ready
to
build.
D
So
again,
we
just
might
want
to
get
some
clarification
that
also
that
kind
of
due
diligence
could
take
a
little
more
time
than
just
inquiring
about
properties
that
may
or
may
not
be
under
contract,
or
something
like
that.
So
you
know
we.
K
And
then
on,
you
know
in
looking
at
having
sort
of
the
navigation
center
piece
plus
significant.
You
know
numbers
of
transitional
housing
which
we
know
are
needed
to
get
people
actually
off
the
streets.
How
much
land
do
we
have?
So
we
have
this.
If
we
look
at
mccarthy
it's
right,
3.64
acres,
I
think
when
I
just
looked
at
the
staff
report
and
the
design
of
it
seems
like
we're
using
all
the
space.
So
I
know
we
have
our
gene.
Autry
property
is
bigger.
Some
of
these
are
smaller.
K
Is
that
sort
of
a
minimum
amount
of
space?
We
need
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
sense
as
we're
trying
to
compare
these
because
they're
not
really
apples
to
apples
properties.
How
much
how
much
acreage!
We
think
we
need
to
do
this
right
to
get
the
transitional
units
plus
the
medical
services
and
the
other
pieces.
K
K
Does
that
impact
funding?
I'm
sorry!
I
just
have
a
lot
of
questions
in
trying
to
make
as
much
informed
direction.
I
guess
is
what
we're
doing
tonight,
but
decision.
M
Was
possible
so
councilmember,
of
course,
ideally
if,
if
to
have
the
element
of
shelter
beds,
to
have
the
wrap
around
services-
and
you
know
a
sufficient
amount
of
housing,
you're,
probably
looking
at
3.5
to
4
acres
at
a
minimum,
I
will
tell
you,
as
you
look
at
funding
streams
of
home
key
hap3.
M
K
Okay,
thank
you
that
that
is
helpful
and
then
staff
from
a
timing,
purpose
of
something
with
buildings
and
something
without
such
as
our
jean
archery
property,
just
not
to
confuse
vacant
lands
with
that
are
both
unremoved.
I
know
we
have
a
gene,
autry
property-
that's
I
think,
five
plus
acres.
So
how
long
would
that
take
versus?
Let's
just
say
the
mccarthy,
for
the
purpose
of
this
discussion
or
any
site
that
has
buildings
that
work.
N
So
the
estimated
construction
time
frame
is
24
months,
but
since
that
particular
property
is
when
it
was
within
the
county's
airport
land
use
committee,
we've
been
told
that
may
add
an
additional
two
months.
So
a
total
time
frame
for
vacant
gene
autry
parcel
is
26
months,
whereas
for
the
the
the
the
build
out
time
frame
for
renovation,
rehab
on,
say,
the
mccarthy
or
other
properties
is
12
months.
So
it's
that's
about
half
the
time
frame.
F
Any
other
questions
or
comments,
I'm
sorry,
councilmember
carter.
B
No
worries-
and
I
I
I
have
too
many
comment
comments,
and
I
wish
I
was
more
like
mayor
pro-tem,
who
is
good
about
putting
things
down
on
paper.
First,
one
question
that
I
had
is
kind
of
what
is
the
best
approach
for
reaching
out
to
people
who
are
in
different
circumstances
right,
like
we
often
oftentimes
when
we
get
complaints
or
concerns
from
the
city,
it's
about
people
who
might
have
mental
health
issues
or
drug
addiction
issues
and
who
are
very
visible
on
the
street.
B
We
don't
often
hear
people
talking
about.
You
know,
families
that
are
living
in
their
car,
which
we
also
have
in
our
city
right.
So
if
someone
can
tell
me
who's
a
provider,
are
there
different
approaches
for
handling
different
different
types
of
people
in
different
types
of
circumstances,
and
and
how
does
that
work
with
a
navigation
center
like
this.
D
One
thing
I'll
add
as
we're
just
working
on
getting
that
done
is-
and
this
speaks
to
the
size
issue,
and
especially
some
of
the
need
to
scale
and
possibly
scale
up
is
that
there
is
a
relationship,
certainly
with
our
ability
to
provide
shelter
and
some
of
the
other
policies
that
we
might
have
dealing
with
some
of
the
secondary
impact.
So
when
it
comes
to
say,
rules
that
might
prohibit
camping
outside
or
something
like
that,
I
think
the
basis
of
the
court
precedent
that
limits
some
of
those
rules
is
not
providing
an
alternative.
D
D
Not
only
does
it
deal
with
some
of
the
secondary
impacts
and
prohibit
some
of
the
activity,
but
creates
the
incentive
to
move
in
the
direction
of
services,
because
really
it
might
be
one
of
the
only
alternatives
left
if
you
can
have
stricter
rules,
for
you
know,
camping
outside
and
collection,
and
carrying
of
wares
and
things
like
that
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
greg
to
deal
with
more
of
the
service
provider.
Element.
M
I'm
gonna
say:
that's,
that's
a
great
point.
Justin
and
I
was
gonna
address
that
at
the
end
of
my
comments
but
and
and
I've
have
this
conversation
with
palm
springs.
Police
departments
is
that
they
there
are
people
that
they
encounter.
That
seem
like
our
most
hard
to
deal
with
individuals
that
are
homeless,
but
they
don't
want
to
go
to
india
for
a
shelter
aspect.
So
if
we
did
have
some
element
here
in
the
city,
some
of
them
would
use
that,
but
more
specifically
councilman
roman
gardner.
M
To
answer
your
question
is
there
you
know
no
one
homeless
person
is
the
same
and
everybody
has
their
own
unique
situation,
and
I
know
you
understand
that.
But
to
your
point
about
you
know
the
woman
who
is
in
a
car
with
her
kids,
I
I
can
literally
take
you
I
or
tell
you.
I
take
two
to
three
calls
of
these
personally
every
week.
M
It's
so
much
easier.
You
know
one
of
the
largest
staff
costs
for
homeless
services
is
case
management,
and
I
think
we
all
know
that
in
government
too,
whether
it's
government
or
non-profit
our
highest
costs
are
staff
costs.
So
so
the
more
that
we
can
what
I
want
to
say,
the
more
that
we
can
utilize
one
case
manager
for
more
cases,
the
less
costly
it
is,
but
the
more
successful
it
is
as
well.
I
hope
that
kind
of
answered
the
question
so.
B
M
You
know
domestic
violence,
victims
and
then
obviously
our
service
providers
provide
that
too.
So
there
is
a
multiple
of
resources.
I
think
where
we
lack.
I
don't
think
I
know
where
we
lack
in
the
western
part
of
the
valley.
Is
the
facility
to
do
this
and
you
know
even
justin,
and
I,
as
I
mentioned
he,
you
know,
he's
been
convening
these.
M
I
think
once
a
month
just
sometimes
more
than
that
with
partners,
and-
and
we
were
really
talking
in
our
last
meeting
a
few
days
ago
about
the
need
for
what's
being
called
as
the
new
terminology
now-
which
I
really
really
love,
but
it's
called
integrated
service
delivery
and
it's
about
how
are
we
really
convening
partners
throughout
the
homeless
spectrum
and
that's
government,
non-profit
business
leaders
in?
M
But
how
do
we
not
only
just
get
together
and
talk
about
what
the
problems
are,
but
how
do
we
case
manage
individual
people
that
we
know
of
so
say,
captain
kovalov
brings
me
an
individual
and
how
do
we
all
sit
around
a
table
and
work?
What
the
beauty
of
having
an
actual
campus
environment
again,
I'm
not
picking
one
location
just
overall
campus
environment-
is
that
you've
got
actually
a
space
that
we
can
do
that
convening
as
partners.
M
But,
more
importantly,
it's
a
space
that
we
could
have
somebody
that
we
all
are
working
with,
whether
that's
two
three
four
or
five
agencies.
But
again
we
have
that
access
to
that
individual.
That's
some
of
the
biggest
challenges
for
homeless
service
providers
is
that
we
may
identify
someone.
That's
still
not
ready
to
go
into
full
services,
but
we're
engaged
with
them.
But
then
sometimes
we
can't
find
them
and
we'll
lose
them,
and
then
they
spiral
further.
In
so.
B
Okay,
thank
you
yeah.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
that
you
know
if
there
was
a
need
for
a
different
type
of
site
for
different
types
of
people
that
that
makes
sense.
So
that's
that's
clear
for
me
if
I
can
continue
mayor
putin,
okay,
thank
you.
B
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
just
raise
up,
because
I
I
it
was
new
to
me-
and
I
don't
know
how
familiar
others
are
are
with
this
program-
is
there's
a
program
called
true
evolution
in
riverside,
and
it's
actually
focuses
on
the
lgbtq
community
and
those
living
with
hiv,
but
it
also
serves
others
as
well,
but
that's
kind
of
how
it
started,
and
I
just
saw
a
presentation
on
this.
B
The
brothers
of
the
desert
held
it
just
a
couple
of
days
ago
and
they're
actually
building
a
site,
that's
very
pretty
much
a
navigation
center
in
in
riverside,
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
were
talking
about
was
that
access
to
services
right
they
were
like
the
library
is
close
by
the
grocery
stores
across
the
street.
They
were
talking
about
their
site,
location
and,
and
the
site
location
specifically
was
good
because
of
these
services.
B
That
were
nearby
it
already,
and
that
was
something
that
they
really
stressed
and
it
it
was
quite
the
powerhouse
of
a
presentation.
I
was
truly
blown
away
by
the
work
that
that
was
being
done
there
and
I
would
love
for
us
to
reach
out
as
a
as
a
city
to
chat
with
him
more.
I
think
his
name
is
gabriel
and
I'm
blanking
on
his
last
name,
but
I
did
want
to
just
put
that
out
there
for
for
council
members
to
to
look
at.
B
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
ask
about
is
that
extension
of
our
property
of
the
property
next
to
the
boxing
club,
and
one
of
the
reasons
that
I'm
also
really
pushing
this
conversation
to
be
broader
is
is
because
I
feel
like
we
we
well,
I
at
least
I
would
really
like
to
see
us
do
something
that
is
innovative
and
good
and
and
really
ticks
off
the
boxes
that
we
have.
And
so
my
question
is,
you
know:
do
we
have
the
ability
to
use
that
land?
B
If
we
have
another
location
that
is
closer
to
all
of
these
different
services,
then
I
like
the
idea
of
being
able
to
use
that
money
to
focus
on
that
area
instead
of
putting
some
money
into
this
area
and
then
later
moving
on
to
this
other
area
down
the
line,
especially
if
we
have
the
ability
to
extend
where
we
are
right
now.
So
just
wanted
to
ask
about
that.
D
Councilmember
garner
I'd
need
to
turn
to
jay
or
possibly
greg
to
talk
about
sources
of
funding
and
how
they
might
be
applied.
But
with
that
piece
of
the
conversation
notwithstanding,
I
do
think
we
have
the
ability
to
implement.
You
know
short-term
temporary
bridge
type
programs.
D
So
there
aren't
many
limitations
to
that
other
than,
of
course,
total
cost
right.
So
anything
that
we
do
for
a
year
or
two
that
that
we
roll
up
at
the
end
of
that
year
or
two
is
funds
that
that
don't
continue
to
work
for
us
long
term
and
and
again
probably
want
to
be
thoughtful
about
what
sources
might
be
available
for
those
kinds
of
facilities.
M
Can
I
add
that
onto
that?
Just
in
that
and
I'm
familiar
with
the
true
revolution
project
councilwoman
garner,
and
it
is
amazing
project
how
they
were
able
to
qualify
for
home
key
funding
and
other
funding
is
because
they
had
structures
on
there
that
they
were
able
to
rehabilitate
they
weren't
going
from
the
ground
up.
Ideally,
I
agree
with
you.
If
we
had
all
those
amenities,
it
would
be
ideal.
I
don't
think
we're
talking
about
amenities
that
are
too
far
away.
M
Additionally,
I
think
I
don't
think,
as
we
see
projects
like
the
maryland,
as
we
see
maybe
skyview
come
in
as
we
see
more
affordable
housing
projects
in
the
area,
you're
going
to
have
a
greater
density
population
which
is
going
to
attract
more
of
those
amenities
that
haven't
been
coming
in,
because
they've
done
the
studies
that
there's
not
enough
population.
So
I
do
see
that
coming
down
the
road.
M
M
We
have
timelines
that
we
have
to
meet
as
far
as
when
that
money
has
to
be
spent
down,
and
I
almost
would-
and
you
know
mitch
from
lasar
may
be
able
to
help
me
on
this,
but
I
would
almost
guarantee
you
a
new
bill
from
the
ground
up.
I
will
not
be
able
to
get
home
key
funding
from
it
really
has
to
be
some
type
of
rehabilitation,
slash
modular
type,
product.
F
Councilmember
garner
have
is
that
your
your
comments
and
questions
for
now.
B
Yes,
actually
greg,
can
you
clarify
when
you
said
modular,
because
I
thought
that
at
one
point
there
was
a
presentation
that
was
done
that
talked
about
putting
a
modular
building
for
the
navigation
center
on
the
geology,
property.
M
Yes,
yeah
and
and
unfortunately,
that
company
is
no
longer
doing
that.
I
think
they
were
a
little.
I
don't
want
to
use.
M
The
word
aggressive,
I
think,
a
little
hopeful
in
what
they
could
be
able
to
accomplish
and
did
not
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
with
that
being
said,
though,
especially
because
they
were
looking
at
really
being
building
a
large
structure
where,
if
you
look
at
the
real,
successful
and
modular
companies,
now
that
are
doing
you
know
either
your
transitional
units
or
permanent,
supportive
housing
use
it,
whether
that's
container
renovations
or
actual
modular.
B
Okay,
thank
you
and
the
reason
I
mentioned
this
is
because
I
at
one
point
and
again
I
don't
remember
when
this
presentation
was
there
was
discussion
about
how
it
was
using
these
new
modular
materials
are
sturdier
and
like
fire,
resistant
and
wind
resistant
and
and
go
up
faster
and
so
just
curious
about.
You
know
if
there's
home
key
funding
for
doing
a
project
like
that
that
would
actually
cut
down
our
cost.
You
know
why
not
do
that,
but
is
that
so
is
that
not
an
option.
M
No
abs
absolutely
not,
and
I
would
argue
that
should
be
an
option
for
the
transitional
and
remember
supportive
housing
units
on
on
whatever
site
you
would
choose,
because,
because
they
are
available,
they
are
very
safe,
they're
easily
to
construct
off-site
your
ability
to
do
infrastructure
to
them
is
relatively
easier
than
say
a
stick
built.
So
I
absolutely
agree
that
that
should
be
an
element
of
the
of
this,
wherever
that
would
be.
B
M
I
believe
so
and
and
what
I
would
envision
councilwoman
gardner
is
that
this
project,
basically
you
would
look
at
it
in
much
of
a
phased
approach.
It
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
go
on
dual
tracks,
but
you
know
say:
you've
got
a
building,
no
matter
where
it's
located,
that
you
would
do
the
renovation
part
for
the
shelter
wrap
around
services.
I
think
we
can
proceed
with
that.
M
Quicker
could
actually
probably
qualify
for
some
home
key
funding
for
that,
as
long
as
we're
planning
a
housing
ambulance
side
to
that,
but
then
again
as
go
after
you
know
in
a
concurrent
phase,
or
you
know,
slightly
delayed
phase
home
key
funding
for
a
manufacturer-type
housing
site,
and
you
know,
ideally
again,
you
know
everything's
about
scoring
when
you're
applying
and
competing
for
funding,
and
so,
if
you
can
co-locate
especially
transitional
units
and
maybe
a
few
permanent
units
close
to
that
navigation
center,
your
l,
your
your
scoring,
is
going
to
be
much
better
when
it
comes
to
the
competitive
nature,
I
think
that's,
I
don't
think
I
know
for
a
fact.
M
That's
why
true
evolution
was
so
successful
in
getting
not
only
home
key
funding,
but
I
believe
they
got
some
esg
emergency
solutions.
Grant
sorry
for
the
acronym
again
funding
as
well
on
that
because
of
the
co-location
area.
D
Thank
you
and
mayor
pro
tem
and
council.
If
I
could,
we
have
gotten
some
information
staff's
been
made
aware
that
the
property
at
47.75
ramon
road
has
fallen
out
of
escrow,
so
it
does
appear
that
it
may
be
available
that
the
caveat
for
this
evening's
conversation
is
still
that
we
haven't
performed
a
lot
of
due
diligence
on
at
that
location,
thinking
that
it
was
not
available.
L
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem,
just
for
those
of
the
public
that
have
gotten
a
little
bit
lost.
I
think
the
fundamental
question.
L
Besides
the
opportunity
that
was
given
to
you
up
front,
but
when
we
make
this
decision,
we're
really
talking
about
there's
several
factors
that
I
think
I've
heard
council
and
myself
will
be
looking
at.
One
is
the
speed
and
timing
by
which
something
can
actually
happen.
L
Another
one
is
the
money
and
funding:
that's
both
for
the
capital
improvement,
the
purchase,
the
capital
improvement
and
the
long-term
operation.
So
it
was
great
to
hear
the
county
say
about
calain
and
the
opportunity
to
use
medi-cal
money
to
pay
for
some
of
it.
We're
also
looking
at
a
location
where
it's
near
services
and
whatnot.
L
L
L
For
the
last
two
years,
however,
I
wasn't
offered
this
opportunity
that
we
have
before
us
on
carthy
road,
so
it
kind
of
throws
a
little
wrench
into
that,
because
we
probably
can't
build
out
the
site
on
gene
autry
in
a
cost-effective,
speedy
manner
and
it
seems
to
be
better
closer
to
location
services,
so
that's
kind
of
where
I'm
landing
with
the
whole
thing,
and
it's
it's.
It's
not
cost
effective
to
do
that
site.
L
So
that
site
is
is
out
of
the
question
when
you,
when
you
do
comparative
analysis
on
it,
but
I
think
we
definitely
do
want
this.
I
think
a
lot
of
the
discussion
that
we've
had
are
in
some
of
the
the
reasons
we
need
it.
Why
we
need
it
how
it
would
operate.
You
know-
and
I
think
all
of
us
are
in
agreement
that
we
do
so.
I
think
tonight
we
really
have
to
provide
direction
on.
L
Do
we
want
to
pursue
the
opportunity
that
was
before
us
or
do
we
want
more
information
on
some
of
the
alternatives,
and
should
we
limit
some
of
those
alternatives
to
a
few,
so
the
staff
is
not
overwhelmed.
If
we
continue
the
conversation
between
now
and
next
week,.
K
Great,
thank
you
mayor
pro
tem.
I
do
think
that
I
appreciate
council
member
woods.
You
know
there's
that
fundamental
question.
Do
we
want
a
navigation
center
and
I
fully
support
a
navigation
center
with
transitional
housing.
K
My
my
inclination
is-
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
staff
has
done
and
greg
you
have
done
to
really
get
such
a
thorough
staff
report
and
presentation.
I
think
what
for
me
would
be
the
best
way
forward
would
be
to
look
at
the
ramon
property
that
is
now
available.
That
wasn't,
we
didn't
know,
was
available
and
the
mccarthy
property
and
bring
those
back
as
to
right.
How
many
people
can
can
we
do
transitional
housing?
K
What
the
cost
would
be,
what
the
funding
it
that's
available
from
the
state
and
county
in
addition
to
the
three
million
dollars
we
set
aside
for
this
kind
of
project
for
the
ivy
palm
and
we
held
and
really
get
that
analysis.
Looking
at
the
services
you
know
their
approach
can
be
pros
and
cons
to
both,
but
I
think
if
that
worked
for
staff
to
get
to
limit
it
to
those
two.
K
You
know
more
affordable
housing
that
we'll
need,
as
people
transition
out
of
other
other
things,
that
we
need
worker
housing
in
our
city
desperately
and
I'd
like
to
see
that
site
used
for
that.
The
jane
autry
site
used
for
that
kind
of
housing
and
really
go
out
and
try
and
talk
to
all
the
affordable
housing
developers
about
potentially
doing
that.
And
if
that
takes
a
couple
years,
that's
what
they
take.
K
Given
the
time
considerations
we
have
on
one
of
them
that'll,
you
know
get
that
input
from
the
city
manager,
if
that's
where
council
needs
to
be,
but
that
would
that
would
be
my
recommendation
that
we
actually
now
get
a
little
more
analysis
on
the
ramon
property
given
that
wasn't
done,
understandably,
because
it
was
in
contract
at
the
time.
K
Sure
I
don't
know
if
we
need
a
motion
or
direction,
but
either
I'm
good
with
yeah.
F
If
I
could
add,
just
ask
just
a
couple
of
questions,
I
think
we
are
getting
close
to
a
resolution
on
this.
The
site
at
mccarthy,
as
I
understood
it,
had
the
potential
of
perhaps
being
up
to
a
hundred
beds
or
being
able
to
accommodate
a
hundred
people.
Is
that
correct.
M
So
that
would
be
very
tight
as
far
as
shelter
beds
go.
I
I
think
it
depending
on
the
you
know,
the
layout
of
the
housing
is
more
of
the
100
number.
I
was
getting
there.
I
think
you're,
looking
at
in
order.
M
We
have
to
be
careful
again
too
because
of
the
funding
streams
here
on
congregate
versus
non-congregate
shelter,
again
we're
looking
at
really
what
is
the
easiest
way
to
get
somebody
into
services
and
and
a
lot
of
congress,
shelter,
type
settings,
people
are
afraid
of,
especially
when
it
comes
to
women,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
senior
women
and
and
even
middle-aged
women
that
are
on
our
streets.
M
So
you're,
probably
looking
at
about-
I
I
would
say
realistically
probably
50
to
75
beds,
keep
in
mind
too
is
we
are
having
a
little
bit
of
element
of
some
family
type
elements
in
there
too,
so
that
we
can
accommodate
that,
but
then,
on
the
on
the
housing
structure
and
again,
council
premier,
pro
tem
middleton,
it
really
depends
on
your
layout
and
your
structure.
D
Yeah
and
if
I
could
just
briefly
certainly,
we
can
try
to
go
back
even
in
the
span
of
a
week
and
try
to
not
really
accomplish
conceptual
level
design
work
but
try
to
work
with
numbers
for
space.
The
one
thing
that
will
just
be
what
it
is
is
it
really
is
worth
emphasizing
again
the
difference
between
a
two
acre
parcel
and
a
three
more
than
three
and
a
half
acre
parcel.
D
And
when
you
look
at
the
conceptual
layout
of
the
three
and
a
half
acre
parcel,
it
takes
advantage
of
some
of
that
space,
not
only
for
some
of
those
modular
or
pod
type
units,
but
for
some
of
the
other
amenities
that
we
think
are
needed
now
and
perhaps
in
the
future.
So
you
know
playground
space.
Child
care
is
a
key
component
to
certainly
the
operation
of
martha's,
village
and
kitchen
at
the
facility
in
indio.
D
So
it's
not
to
say
that
it
couldn't
work.
But
if
we're
thinking
about
the
needs
now
and
we've
occupied
a
good,
you
know
almost
all
of
that
three
and
a
half
acre
space
at
a
conceptual
level
and
any
other
kind
of
growth
or
any
other
collaboration
opportunities
for
other
services
like
we've
talked
about
behavioral,
health
or-
or
you
know
similar-
that's
just
a
pretty
significant
difference,
but
between
the
two
parcels
and
their
ability
to
serve
as
a
kind
of
co-located
service
campus
center
type
environment.
D
F
M
I
knew
I
thought
it
may
be,
but
you
know
I
I
think
the
best
way
to
look
at
this
mayor
pro
tem
is
to
look
at
what
the
demand
level
has
been
over.
The
last
three
summers,
I
think,
is
a
good
barometer
of
that.
You
know
when
we
did
the
boxing
club.
We
started
about
40
45
beds,
we
really
roughly
overall.
Just
in
my
numbers
and
jay,
you
may
be
able
to
correct
me
on
this,
but
it's
really
been
an
average
of
about
35
to
40.
They
were
kind
of
full
time.
M
So
if
we
get
somebody
through
this
type
of
system,
you
get
those
people
into
employment
out
on
a
peer-to-peer
structure.
I
believe
you
attract
more
people.
I
I
would
go
back
to
is
that
there
is
a
big
challenge
for
law
enforcement
here
to
not
that
does
not
have
a
facility.
So
I
think
our
throughput
would
be
greater.
It's
just
really
hard
depending
to
put
a
real,
solid
number,
because
the
councilwoman
gardner's
point
two
is
it's:
just
every
situation
is
so
different.
M
F
Lots
of
things-
and
I
I'm
going
to
try
to
give
a
pretty
short
answer
to
what
I
think
I
heard
we're-
not
quite
sure
what
our
the
demand
is
going
to
be
and
all
of
us
would
be
abundantly
thrilled
if
one
facility
was
adequate
to
cover
what
the
demand
is.
But
we
don't
know
that
that's
going
to
be
the
case,
so
money
is.
F
We
don't
have
unlimited
resources,
but
no
matter
what
we
do,
we're
we're
doing
our
best
to
hope.
We
are
addressing
the
demand
with
whatever
facility.
F
We
build
first
question
for
city
manager
in
city
attorney:
do
we
need
a
motion
and
a
vote
to
concentrate
on
two
locations
and
have
you
come
back
and
make
a
presentation,
or
do
we
just
simply
table
this
for
further
discussion
is
one
and
two:
how
much
time
do
you
need
to
be
able
to
come
back
and
give
us
a
thorough
review
of
the
two
sites.
D
So
I
think
direction
is
sufficient,
but
to
the
extent
that
that
direction
is
specific
and
limits
some
of
our
analysis.
That
is
helpful
because
I
do
think
we
want
to
be
expeditious.
The
opportunity,
at
least
at
the
mccarthy
property
is
not
one
that
is
guaranteed
to
last
forever.
So
the
if
the
city
were
to
assume
the
current
purchase
contract
we're
really
dealing
with
a
clock
issue.
There
may
be
some
opportunities
to
extend
that,
but
again
that
would
likely
come
at
a
cost.
D
So
I
think
one
way
or
the
other
we'd
be
looking
to
bring
you
any
information
we
can
get
by
next
thursday,
just
just
to
facilitate
that
as
best
we
can
and
then,
if
we
still
didn't
have
enough,
we
would
extend
by
the
time
we
get
into
december,
given
the
what
we
would
want
to
do
for
public
outreach
and
process
from
there.
It
starts
to
get
more
and
more
difficult
for
the
mccarthy
site
and
we
we
risk
losing
that
opportunity
which
isn't
the
end
of
the
world
if
con.
D
If
council's
not
confident
in
moving
forward
with
that,
but
just
want
to
be
honest
about
that
and
then
I
think
jay
might
have
a
little
bit
more
information
to
address
a
previous
question.
N
We
do
have
a
report
from
september
from
the
palm
springs
access
center,
where
it
was
reported
that
247
unduplicated
individuals
were
served
so
that
might
lend
to
the
total
number
of
beds
needed.
I
would
also
add
our
last
point
in
time.
Count
was
187
individuals.
F
G
You
do
not
need
to
take
a
vote
if
you
get
give
us
general
direction
to
continue
this
to
the
november
4th
meeting
again,
as
the
city
manager
indicated
with
some
maybe
some
direction
as
to
which
properties
that
would
be
sufficient.
Okay,.
F
I
think
that's
a
a
very
valid
question
and
a
very
valid
issue.
So
is
there
america.
C
C
F
So
is
there
anyone
who
wants
to
argue
that
we
should
be
looking
at
sites
other
than
the
mccarthy
and
the
ramon
site
for
refurbishing?
At
this
point,.
B
L
I
think
it's
the
price,
I
think
you
know
when
you
look
at
the.
I
think
if
I
remember
reading
the
desert
sun
article
on
the
building
was
a
high
price
point.
I
think
probably
double
what
we're
looking
at,
but
we
can.
B
B
D
D
If
not,
I
think
what
that
means
is
we
likely
lose
the
opportunity,
at
least
to
assume
the
current
purchase
contract,
and
at
that
point
the
good
news
is
we
have
more
time
the
bad
news
is.
We
may
lose
an
opportunity
that
in
many
ways
when
staff
discovered
it
really
does
seem
ideal,
that's
not
to
say
there
aren't
others,
but
but
the
consequence
of
being
exhaustive
and
really
wanting
to
have
greater
assurance
that
we
have
the
absolute
right
sight
would
be
that
we
may
lose
an
opportunity
that
that's
just
the
reality
of
real
estate
regardless.
D
So
I
think
we
can
bring
you
anything
we
can
in
at
the
very
next
meeting
and
the
one
after
that
november,
4th
and
november
18th.
By
the
time
we
get
that
far,
we
probably
either
have
enough
confidence
to
move
forward
with
one
of
those
or
we're
taking
our
time
to
to
vet
the
others
council.
Member.
K
Coors
great,
thank
you.
I
know
the
councilmember
garner
is
right.
It
was
on
the
market
initially
for
that
and
someone
bought
it.
K
I
don't
know
if
they've
done
work,
but
they
put
it
on
as
far
as
september
3rd
for
12.9
million,
but
are
also
considering
keeping
it
and
leasing
it
since
it's
half
office
and
half
warehouse
so
now,
if
they
bought
it
for
five
or
six
million
and
they're
trying
to
sell
it
for
their
team,
they
may
take
an
offer
for
less,
of
course,
but
just
wanted
to
share
that,
but
it
was
on
for
that
initially
as
well.
F
Do
we
have
consensus
to
ask
staff
to
come
back
to
us
next
thursday
with
a
report
on
the.
F
F
You
see
two
heads
two
heads
shaking
three:
okay,
then
staff.
I
do
you
have
the
direction
you
need
to
allow
us
to
table
this
for
conclusion.
Hopefully,
next
thursday
evening.
D
F
That
sounds
wonderful.
We've
been
at
this
for
a
while,
it's
10
to
9.
Can
we
take
a
10
minute
break
till
9
pm
and
allow
the
mayor
then,
to
return
and
take
over.
H
A
We'll
come
back
from
recess,
get
started.
Thank
you
to
mayor
pro
tem
for
leading
that
last
item.
When
I
was
recused
very
much
appreciate
it
so
we're
at
nine
o'clock.
So
we
will
go
to
public
comment
next,
but
I'd
just
like
to
discuss
the
order
of
the
agenda
and
check
in
with
council,
since
it's
9
p.m.
A
We
have
a
number
of
public
hearings
left
and
then
also
legislative
items,
so
I
might
propose
that
we
I
mean
we
can
proceed
through
the
public
comment
and
then
do
public
hearings
and
see
where
we're
at,
but
I
would
propose
that
we
at
least
bump
the
discussion
of
the
climate
action
plan
to
the
next
meeting,
if
not
any
others
that
are
not
time
sensitive.
A
Probably
also
the
ethics
ordinance
is
that
so
city
staff,
do
you
need
direction
now
from
council
bill
which
items
might
be
bumped
if
we
have
staff
sitting
on
the
line
waiting?
What's
your
preference.
D
I
think,
to
the
extent
you're
ready
to
make
that
decision.
It
is
probably
even
more
than
staff
or
any
other
stakeholders
that
might
want
to
participate,
say
in
the
climate
action
plan
to
make
that
decision
now-
and
I
will
just
add
that
our
agenda
is
lighter
next
week
and
so
for
items
that
can
just
carry
over
and
ultimately
be
continued.
We
should
have
time
to
get
to
them.
A
K
Yep,
I
think
we
have
time
on
the
next
agenda
and
we
can
move
things.
I
think
that's
helpful,
so
we
can
get
closer
to
ending
at
10
pm
as
we
try
to
do,
but
don't
succeed
in
doing
so.
If
we
have
the
ability
to
do
it
by
moving
some
things
that
aren't
time,
sensitive
and
staff
is
good
with,
we
should
just
move
them.
A
A
We
have
consensus
there.
Okay
sounds
like
we
have
consensus,
thank
you
and
then
we
will
reassess
as
we
get
through
the
public
hearing.
So
the
next
item
is
public
comment
on
non-agenda
items.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
city
council
on
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
city.
Although
the
city
council
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
agenda.
Two
minutes
will
be
assigned
to
each
speaker,
city
clerk.
H
Thank
you,
brad,
I'm
sorry,
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
feedback.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
hear
me
or
not
yeah,
we
can
hear
you
okay,
great.
My
name
is
brad
anderson.
I
currently
live
in
the
city
of
ransomwaraj
and
yeah.
This
is
very
disturbing,
but
I
wanted
to
talk
about
public
participation
in
your
meetings.
H
The
this
is
yeah,
I'm
getting
well,
I
got
a
bad
line.
H
I
guess
but
well
I
just
want
to
say
that
you
have
event
or
city
council
meetings
that
you
can
hold
in
the
convention
center,
other
big
forums,
so
this
abc
361
that
you're
abiding
by
tonight
is,
I
don't
know,
smoke
and
mirrors
on
a
car
because
you
can
adapt
your
city
councillor
and
city
staff
to
of
this
social
discipline
thing
which
has
kind
of
been
debunked
anyway
and
see
because
I
can
honestly
say:
ab361
has
been
abused
this
evening
and
it's
a
good
law,
but
it's
been
abused
by
the
city
because
you're
not
abiding
by
it.
H
My
understanding
you
had
to
interrupt
them
in
your
tv
channel
or
something
tonight
and
under
av
361.
The
meeting
needs
to
stop.
So
you
need
to
list
that
items,
and
even
the
call-in
process
of
the
meeting
that
you
have
is
not
up
to
ab
361
standards,
meaning
that
a
third
party-
yes,
but
the
city,
no
meaning
I
should
be
able
to
participate,
live
in
this
meeting
without
pre-registering
and
well.
I
can't
I
can't
participate
live
without
you
calling
me
so
anyway,
and
the
vector
control
district.
H
Just
so
you're
aware
there
are
sterilized
mosquito
release
program
where
they're
thinking
about
it
and
they
have
a
new
abatement
policy,
which
I'm
the
only
one.
Apparently
that
knows
about
all
this
stuff,
but
you
should
really
have
your
trusty
report
to
your
city,
especially
since
you
last
year
you
had
this
friend.
C
H
H
During
the
finance
and
budget
meetings,
the
budget
contained
a
move
for
personnel
from
the
office
of
special
programs
to
the
police
department.
We
understand
there
was
a
desire
that
the
compliance
officers
have
some
type
of
policing
power.
However,
the
numbers
of
times
this
has
been
needed
are
extremely
rare
and
extraordinary.
H
C
A
G
Certainly
as
soon
as
staff
became
aware
of
a
potential
glitch
in
one
of
the
multiple
ways
of
live
streaming,
our
meeting
we
checked
and
made
an
announcement
to
the
public
of
the
other
two
ways
of
viewing
them
electronically
and
so
that
complies
with
ab361.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
city
attorney.
I
know
you
also
take
your
role
in
making
sure
the
city
follows
public
access
rules
very
seriously
too.
So
thank.
A
C
America,
if
I
could
also
add
to
the
to
the
statement
of
being
able
to
provide
live
public
comment,
we
did
amend
our
our
first
page
of
the
agenda
to
provide
instructions
that
people
can
call
the
city
clerk's
office
at
760..
C
A
Our
next
item
is
item
2a,
a
review
of
action
taken
by
the
planning
commission
to
approve
a
conditional
use,
permit
application
by
king's
garden
for
expansion
of
an
existing
cannabis
cultivation
facility
for
approximately
thirty
eight
thousand
square
feet
to
a
two
hundred
and
twelve
hund,
two
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
square
foot
facility
and
an
associated
5650
square
foot
warehouse
located
at
63,
795
19th
avenue.
If
we
can
have
a
staff
report,
please.
J
At
your
meeting
on
july,
the
22nd,
you
did
not
take
any
action
on
the
item
and
you
requested
that
staff
follow
up
on
the
following
two
issues:
number
one:
you
requested
additional
environmental
or
sequa
review,
and
then
secondly,
you
also
wanted
the
issues
relative
to
the
applicant's
answer
road
facility
addressed
in
terms
of
the
sql
analysis
that
was
done.
We
engaged
the
city's
secret
consultant
to
do
additional
review
based
on
information
provided
by
the
sustainability
commission
and
looking
at
the
actual
bills
from
the
existing
facility.
J
J
One
of
the
things
that
will
assist
in
this
discussion
is
the
applicant
back
in
september,
via
email
agreed
to
use
100,
carbon
energy,
carbon-free
energy
sources
for
the
facility,
and
so
that
will
assist
with
any
environmental
impacts
relative
to
the
expansion
of
the
facility.
J
We
are
proposing
that,
if
you
take
action
on
this
item
tonight
that
the
following
additional
conditions
be
included-
and
these
are
also
in
the
conditions
of
approval
that
are
in
your
pack
at
this
evening-
the
first
condition
is
that
the
applicant
shall
purchase
100
carbon-free
power
for
the
19th
avenue
facility.
The
facility
in
question
that's
been
expanded.
J
C
G
G
The
largest
ghg
generator
at
a
cannabis
cultivation
facility
is
energy
production,
which
is
not
local
production
of
ghgs,
but
is
still
ghg
production.
The
analysis
was
done
two
different
ways
using
two
different
models.
As
outlined
in
our
in
our
memorandum.
That's
attached
to
your
staff
report
with
the
use
of
the
renewables.
K
B
J
A
A
P
Thank
you
very
much
good
evening,
mayor
holsten,
mayor
pro
tem
middleton
council
members.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
of
letting
us
be
here
tonight
with
you.
My
name
is
gary
lasalle
and
I'm
the
vice
president
of
operations
for
king's
garden
per
our
last
hearing,
I'm
here
to
provide
you
with
an
update
on
on
our
project,
based
on
the
conditions
that
was
presented
to
you.
Yes,
we
have
agreed
to
commit
to
use
100
carbon
free
energy
through
the
city's
dce
program.
P
The
odor
control
is
being
at
our
other
facility
to
kind
of
answer
that
it
is
being
worked
on
as
of
right
now
we're
actually
anticipating
a
completion
date.
No
later
than
january
15th,
we
have
been
in
touch
with
veronica,
of
keeping
her
updated
on
the
progress
that
we've
been
doing.
P
P
Once
that's
done,
the
city's
odor
control
consultant
from
1500
inc
will
be
out
here
to
commission
the
system.
They
will
also
certify
the
system,
which
is
something
new
for
the
city
of
palm
springs
through
their
acom
performance,
verified
cannabis
cultivation.
P
Company,
this
will
be
the
first
within
the
city
and
is
going
to
be
their
gold
standard
for
other
facilities
to
to
model
our
new
project
that
we're
completing
now
will
have
the
same
type
of
systems
and
included
in
that
as
well
again
going
through
all
of
the
conditions
that
we've
agreed
upon.
We
feel
that
we
have
been
able
to
come
to
an
agreement
with
the
city
and
work
together
on
this
to
where
it
meets
both
of
our
our
goals
and
getting
this
project
moving
forward.
P
And
I
again
appreciate
you
having
us
here
tonight.
I
want
to
thank
veronica,
edward
and
rick
in
the
city
and
all
our
staff
in
order
to
help
get
us
to
this
point.
They've
been
extremely
instrumental
up
until
now,
and
I'm
here
for
any
questions
that
you
have.
A
A
Applicant,
you
have
two
minutes
for
rebuttal
to
no
public
comment.
If
you
would
like
to
use
it.
A
Thank
you
so
there
being
no
other
speakers
that
public
hearing
is
now
closed.
Is
there?
Are
there
any
additional
questions
for
the
applicant
from
council
members.
A
B
Thank
you.
The
reason
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up.
B
I
appreciate
you
having
the
timeline
for
the
odor,
sorry,
the
odor
mitigation,
and
that
it's
going
to
be
done
fairly
soon
I
mean
it's
only
january
is
only
a
few
months
away,
but
I
did
want
to
just
raise
that
I'm
I'm
still
getting
emails
from
surrounding
businesses
about
concerns
about
odor,
and
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
for
you,
mr
lazal,
because
I
I
know
that
they're
they're
very
concerned-
and
you
know
I'm
making
sure
to
let
them
know
about
the
timeline
and
that
things
are
going
to
be
improving.
B
But
that's
something
that
maybe
you
all
want
to
consider
is
to
talk
to
some
of
the
the
surrounding
business
owners
about
what's
going
on.
Obviously,
that's
not
a
condition
that.
B
On
you,
but
I
just
wanted
to
raise
it
because
I
got
I
was
contacted
just
earlier
this
week,
so
I'm
going
to
put
that
out
there
for
you.
Thank
you.
L
A
I
would
just
say
to
the
applicant:
thank
you
so
much
for
caring
about
the
impacts
of
your
business
on
our
desert
environment,
on
our
entire
community
thinking
through
how
to
make
this
a
cleaner
and
greener
project.
We
very
much
appreciate
you
making
those
investments
because
we
are
all
paying
for
it
on
the
back
end
either
way.
So,
thank
you
very
much
for
agreeing
to
do
this
work
with
us.
F
B
J
J
For
some
reason,
my
powerpoint
is
not
advancing
there.
There
we
go
so
in
terms
of
the
location
of
the
guest
rooms
that
is
being
changed
out.
It's
in
the
center
of
the
site,
as
you
can
see
here,
on
the
image
on
the
screen,
and
so
there
won't
be
any
changes
that
you'll
notice
on
the
exterior
of
the
building.
In
addition,
because
the
project
has
more
parking
spaces
than
are
required
by
code,
they
have
more
than
sufficient
parking
to
accommodate
the
addition
of
the
guest
rooms.
J
What
is
happening
relative
to
this
particular
area
is
when
we
did
the
amendment
back
in
june
of
this
year,
the
applicant
had
moved
the
fitness
room
to
that
location
and
also
two
meeting
rooms,
and
what
they're
proposing
to
do
is
to
just
change
that
back
into
four
guest
rooms
with
the
fitness
area
and
the
spa
that
will
be
relocated
to
the
ground
floor.
Space
of
the
hotel,
which
had
originally
been
intended
as
a
retail
space.
J
The
spa
and
the
fitness
center
will
now
be
available
not
only
to
hotel
guests
but
also
to
the
general
public,
and
so
it
will
have
an
entrance
from
palm
canyon,
and
we
believe
that
having
the
spa
and
fitness
facilities
there
by
making
them
available
to
the
public,
will
also
energize
the
palm
canyon
frontage
of
the
hotel
and
make
it
a
successful
facility.
And
so
again
there
are
no
impacts
in
terms
of
the
exterior
of
the
building.
J
It
is
parked
appropriately
and
staff,
and
the
planning
commission
both
support
this
change.
The
planning
commission
did
discuss
this
item
last
night
at
the
planning
commission
meeting
and
voted
five
to
zero
to
approve
the
item
with
that.
Madam
mayor,
that
concludes
my
staff
report.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
and
then
the
applicant
is
also
available
to
answer
any
questions
and
is
here
for
public
comment.
Thank
you.
F
Thank
you
and
this
this
is
a
question.
That's
somewhat
off
the
issue
of
the
additional
rooms,
but
do
we
have
an
estimate
now
as
to
when
construction
will
be
resuming
and
when
will
construction
be
complete
in
this
hotel
opening.
J
The
applicant
does
have
an
active
building
permit
for
the
site
and,
as
they
testified
at
planning
commission
last
night,
they
are
there
on
the
site
and
are
doing
some
work.
Currently,
the
revised
drawings
for
the
southeast
corner
of
the
changes
to
the
southeast
corner
of
the
hotel
are
in
the
permitting
stage
we
are
doing.
F
Okay,
very
good,
and
I
did
see
a
truck
coming
out
of
there,
the
other
other
day
it
was.
It
was
really
neat
to
see
somebody
actually
there
working.
A
Thank
you
mayor
pro
tem,
any
other
questions
for
city
staff.
Before
you
open
the
public
hearing,
seeing
none,
I
would
like
to
open
the
public
hearing.
The
applicant
will
have
up
to
five
minutes
to
provide
their
testimony
and
then
the
public
is
invited
to
speak
on
this
public
hearing
for
up
to
two
minutes.
City
clerk.
If
you
could
please
bring
in
the
applicant.
A
O
C
O
G
Amenity
and
then
go
back
to
the
original
design
for
building
a
which
increases
the
four
rooms.
To
achieve
this,
we
didn't
remove.
O
G
O
I'll
let
don
braun
come
in
and
talk
about
the.
G
Update
for
our
construction
opening
yeah
thanks
alex
hostage
and
council
members,
I
don't
have
a
a
long
long
agenda
here.
I
just
really
wanted
to
you
know
come
I
knew
we
were
coming
before
you
on
the
four
room
edition
request,
but
also
just
wanted
to
be
available
to
address
questions.
I
know
that
you
know
the
question
was:
was
asked
by
council
member
woods
about
the
start.
You
know
we
have
commenced
the
site
to
be
reactivated.
G
Scaffolding
is
going
up
to
start
to
repair
the
exterior
plaster,
scaffolding
and
other
inter
interior
means
are
going
forward
with
to
get
everything
ready
to
re
to
sort
of
reignite
the
site.
So
you
know
there's
still
you
know,
I
would
say
we
have
started
construction,
but
sometimes
again
you
see
these
things
sort
of
build
a
little
bit
slowly,
just
from
a
public
viewpoint
because
of
the
amount
of
work
involved,
just
to
make
sure
that
everything
you
know
is
work
is
back
up
to
to
full
repair.
G
So
you
know
our
expectation
is
the
hotel
will
be
completed
for
the
winter
season
of
22-23?
So
you
know
we
would
love
to
open
this
in
december
of
next
year.
I
don't
want
to
come
before
you
and
say
that
you
know
we,
that
is,
for
a
certain
we're.
Certainly
our
internal
goal
and
that's
our
our
hope,
but
we
do
feel
confident,
we'll
be,
will
be
open
within
the
22-23
winter
season.
G
No,
I
know
it's
been
a
long
council
meeting,
so
you
know
if
there
are
no
more
questions.
I
can
tell
you.
We
are
diligently
working
on
this
and
you
know
abiding
by
the
things
that
we
talked
to
council
before
about.
A
A
Thank
you.
The
public
hearing
is
now
closed,
so
this
now
would
be
an
opportunity
for
city
council
to
ask
questions
of
the
applicant,
make
a
motion
or
provide
further
discussion.
L
I
think
we're
all
relatively
happy
to
see
you
working
at
the
site
and
we're
just
pleased
that
something
is
moving
forward
and
continues
to
progress
without
anything.
But
I
see
no
problem
with
adding
the
rooms.
The
planning
commission
saw
no
problem
with
adding
the
rooms.
I
think
those
rooms
were
originally
there
and
taken
out,
if
I
remember
correctly
way
back
when
so
I
would
move
the
item.
The
staff
recommendation.
G
A
A
Thank
you
so
much
thank
you
for
being
here
this
evening
and
for
your
work,
your
investment
in
this
project
and
for
getting
it
under
construction.
We
appreciate
it
we're
looking
forward
to
the
opening
2022
2023.
A
The
next
item
is
item
2c
consideration
of
an
appeal
requesting
that
the
city
council
overturned
the
decision
of
the
planning
commission
to
approve
a
major
architectural
application
to
construct
a
new
5
846
square
foot
residence
and
this
576
square
foot
detached
casita
with
rooftop
deck
on
a
hillside
lot
located
at
585,
camino
calidad.
If
we
can
have
a
staff
report,
please.
A
B
A
B
A
J
So,
madam
mayor
members
of
council,
continuing
with
the
staff
report,
this
item
is
an
appeal
of
the
approval
of
a
single-family
home
in
a
hillside
area.
The
planning
commission
reviewed
the
application
and
approved
it
on
september.
The
1st
the
appellant
then
filed
an
appeal
shortly
thereafter
in
terms
of
the
proposal.
J
J
J
This
is
relevant
as
I'll
go
into
the
next,
drawing
showing
you
how
that
relates
to
the
adjacent
houses.
Ultimately,
the
planning
commission
requested
that
the
applicant
lower
the
pad
height
in
order
to
address
some
of
the
concerns
that
were
cited
in
the
planning
commission
meeting
relative
to
the
overall
impact
of
the
home
in
terms
of
underground
garages.
J
We
do
have
quite
a
number
of
them
around
the
city,
primarily
in
our
hillside
areas,
just
as
it
makes
sense
there
in
terms
of
the
differences
in
the
grade
and
accommodating
a
garage
on
the
site,
although
there
is
at
least
one
instance
of
an
underground
garage
in
a
non-hillside
area.
As
you
look
at
the
lower
left
in
terms
of
the
underground
garage,
this
is
a
section
through
the
residence
the
street
is
on
the
left-hand
side.
J
J
The
middle
is
the
the
recommendation
of
the
planning
commission,
which
is
kind
of
in
between
two
different
variety:
two
different
options
that
we
looked
at,
and
so
the
middle
one
is
at
527
feet,
and
then
it
was
also
recommended
by
engineering
that
we
look
at
525
feet,
but
the
the
middle
is
the
one
that
was
recommended
by
the
planning
commission
and
it
probably
mediates
best,
the
elimination
or
the
removal
of
soil
from
the
site
in
terms
of
excavation
and
the
impacts
that
that
would
cause
on
the
neighborhood
relative
to
the
scale
of
the
residents
and
the
property
that
is
to
the
north.
J
Next
going
into
the
issue
of
the
rooftop
deck,
the
zoning
code
does
permit
rooftop
decks.
However,
it's
subject
to
a
number
of
conditions
number
one
that
they
cannot
have
a
roof
number
two.
They
must
conform
to
the
height
envelope,
and
that
includes
any
railings
or
any
stairs
and
number
three.
They
cannot
be
habitable
or
they
cannot
be
conditioned
space
or
enclosed.
J
The
rooftop
deck
as
proposed
does
conform
to
code
requirements.
The
question
is
raised
in
the
appellant's
letter
is
whether
or
not
roof
decks
are
permitted
again.
They
are
permitted
by
code.
We
have
a
rather
famous
example
in
the
kauffman
house
built
in
1947,
which
does
have
a
rooftop
deck.
We
have
more
recent
examples:
the
tuscany
heights
development
up
at
the
top
of
racket
club
road,
nearly
half
of
the
residences
in
that
development
have
rooftop
decks.
J
J
Anyone
who
is
occupying
the
rooftop
deck
should
not
be
able
to
see
into
the
appellant's
yard.
The
architect
has
also
proposed
to
extend
that
translucent
glass
to
a
portion
of
the
north
side
right
around
this
staircase,
so
that
any
views
that
may
be
possible
to
the
appellant's
yard
would
be
further
curtailed.
J
Moving
on
to
the
scale
and
the
size
of
the
residents
in
the
appellants
letter,
it
does
note
that
there
are
a
few
residences
in
the
neighborhood
that
are
larger
than
this
one,
but
the
majority
of
the
residences
in
the
neighborhood
are
smaller
in
terms
of
staff.
We
did
take
a
look
around
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
the
square
footage
of
adjacent
residences.
J
We
do
concur
with
the
opinion
of
the
appellant
that
it
is
one
of
the
larger
residences
in
the
neighborhood.
However,
it
does
conform
to
our
lot
coverage
requirements
and
our
setback
requirements.
In
fact,
looking
at
the
lot
coverage
requirements,
there
is
a
maximum
of
35
percent
lot
coverage.
This
residence
as
designed
covers
23
percent
of
the
lot,
so
it's
well
within
the
maximum
lot
coverage
requirements.
J
Ultimately,
our
recommendations
are
as
follows.
Relative
to
this
appeal,
number
one
regarding
the
pad
height
staff
feels
that
maintaining
the
pad
height
at
527
feet
helps
to
mitigate
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
appellant,
while
not
going
to
the
extreme
of
requiring
a
lot
of
excavation
to
lower
the
residents.
J
Secondly,
the
appellant
in
terms
of
talking
about
the
underground
garage
and
the
concern
about
the
number
of
spaces
in
the
garage
cited
that
they
have
concerns
that
this
residence
may
have
a
need
for
additional
parking
spaces.
One
of
the
things
I've
discussed
with
the
project
architect
is
the
possibility
of
adding
an
additional
surface
parking
space.
J
That
concludes
my
presentation
to
you.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
this
proposed
dwelling
and
the
action
of
the
planning
commission.
As
I've
indicated,
the
appellant
is
available
and
will
be
on
zoom,
as
well
as
the
architect
for
the
property
owner,
and
they
will
also
participate
in
public
comment
this
evening.
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
A
Seeing
none
I
would
like
to
open
the
public
hearing
the
applicant
and
then
the
appellant
will
each
have
up
to
five
minutes
to
provide
their
testimony,
and
then
the
public
is
invited
to
speak
on
this
public
hearing
for
up
to
two
minutes.
City
clerk.
If
you
could,
please
invite
the
applicant
to
provide
their
testimony.
A
C
Bruce,
could
you
clarify,
do
you
represent
the
applicant
or
appellate
or
the
appellant?
Okay,
if
you
could
give
us
a
one
one
minute
we're
we're
trying
to
bring
in
the
applicant.
Q
C
Madame,
that
is
the
applicant.
It's
architect.
A
K
K
K
I
can
hear
you
there's
a
delay
in
my
presentation.
A
C
A
K
Good
evening,
madam
mayor
council
and
staff,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
my
name
is
lance
o'donnell.
As
a
local
architect,
I've
had
the
great
pleasure
to
work
with
many
clients
like
chad,
antenna
dyer,
the
dyers
contacted
me
late
last
year
and
were
proud
owners
of
a
new
vacant
lot.
K
Thank
you
good
evening,
mayor
council
and
staff,
I'd
like
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
lance
o'donnell
as
a
local
architect,
I
have
the
great
fortune
to
work
with
many
clients
like
chad
and
tenna
dyer.
The
dyers
contacted
me
late
last
year
and
were
the
proud
owners
of
5x5
camino
calladad,
having
completed
nearly
two
dozen
hillside
homes
in
the
city
of
palm
springs.
K
We
understand
the
need
for
and
value
community
involvement
in
all
the
years
that
I've
been
practicing
in
palm
springs:
I've
known
five
planning
directors,
countless
engineering
planning,
building
and
safety
staff.
However,
one
guiding
document
has
remained
largely
unchanged:
the
city's
zoning
code
and
with
the
fickle
side
ordinance
the
reading.
The
reason
this
guiding
document
has
stood.
The
test
of
time,
in
my
opinion,
is
its
consistency,
fairness
and
its
balance.
Approach
to
planning
also
key
to
the
hillside,
ordinance
and
success,
is
the
city's
long-standing
public
review
process.
K
Having
personally
spent
10
years
on
the
architectural
advisory
committee,
I
know
that
it
takes
dedication
and
commitment
and
all
members
and
planning
commission
members
to
give
their.
C
A
K
I'll
back
up
just
slightly,
this
planning
commission
first
requested
at
the
first
meeting,
additional
exhibits
and
after
requesting
additional
exhibits
at
the
second
meeting,
voted
unanimously
to
approve
the
project
having
personally
spent
over
10
years
on
the
architectural
advisory
committee.
I
know
I
dedicate
the
dedication
it
takes
for
the
architectural
advisory
committee
members
and
planning
commission
and
they
give
their
time
and
talent
solely
for
the
betterment
of
our
community.
K
Given
the
city's
established
and
rigorous
review
process,
I
respectfully
request
that
the
commission
uphold
the
planning
department's
recommendation
to
deny
mr
hyman's
appeal
on
a
couple
of
things
that
planning
director
mentioned.
There
was
one
error:
the
total
square
footage
for
the
home
home
plus
casita
is
5846
square
feet
and
of
the
three
items
that
he
said.
We
would
take
under
consideration
to
investigate
additional
parking.
K
We
have
we,
our
garage
is
set
back
over
30
feet
and
with
a
typical
city
parking
stall,
we
can
fit
four
cars
in
our
driveway
with
plenty
of
room,
so
we
know
that
the
driveway
fits
four
cars.
The
garage
has
two
cars.
We
can
get
six
cars
on
the
property
and
we
hope
that
that
allays.
Mr
hyman's
concerns
for
parking
as
to
the
additional
privacy
screen
at
the
rooftop
deck
we
would
yeah.
We
would
gladly
install
that
additional
portion
to
forestall
any
views
to
and
from
mr
hyman's
property
to
the
rooftop
deck.
K
So
we
would
gladly
do
that.
I
don't
really
recall
what
the
third
item
was,
but
none
of
them
seemed
onerous
and
we
would
undertake
any
of
those
if
requested-
and
I
thank
you
for
your
time.
A
Q
Power,
yes,
that
is
correct.
Thank
you
very
much
mayor
holstedge,
mayor
pro
tem
middleton
city,
council
members,
city
manager
and
city
staff.
I
want
to
especially
thank
the
city
staff.
Who's
been
very
welcoming
and
very
agreeable
to
meeting
with
us
regarding
our
various
concerns.
My
name
is
bruce
bauer
and
I'm.
The
attorney
for
howard
hyman
he's
the
appellant
here.
He
resides
along
with
his
family
at
525,
camino
pallidad,
which
is
just
north
of
the
proposed
project.
Q
This
is
an
appeal,
an
approved
home
project.
The
city
council
is
urged
to
carefully
consider
this
project.
While
there
are
instances
where
differing
items
of
this
project
have
been
accepted
and
approved
in
the
city
elsewhere,
such
as
rooftop
decks
and
subterranean-based
or
parking,
there
is
no
project
that
I'm
aware
of
in
the
city
that
is
approved
and
allowed
for
all
of
these
elements
to
be
taken
together.
Q
I
want
to
point
out
a
couple
of
things
about
mr
hyman.
Mr
hyman
has
been
a
proud
and
contributing
resident
of
the
city
of
palm
springs
for
around
40
years.
Now,
he's
not
anti-development,
in
fact
he's
not
opposed
to
the
proposed
construction
of
a
dwelling
that
lies
right
behind
him
at
502
la
mirada.
Q
The
square
footage
in
that
house
is
4
391
square
feet.
If
you
compose
that,
compare
that
against
the
proposed
total
square
footage
of
everything
that
they're
requesting
in
connection
with
the
current
project
of
6
672
feet,
you
can
see
the
scale
of
the
problem
here.
This
project
is
about
50
percent
larger
than
the
one
proposed
on
la
mirada.
Q
In
total,
the
size
and
scope
of
the
project
is
very
concerning,
and
if
I
could
ask
the
planning
director
to
show
the
elevations
again
that
he
showed
the
three
different
elevations
you
can
see,
the
request
is
that
the
project
be
scaled
at
527.50
feet,
we're
requesting
that
it
be
scaled
at
525,
50,
feet
lowered
by
two
feet
and
the
concern
that
the
planning
director
and
the
city
staff
has
indicated
is
that
they've
opted
for
the
higher
elevation
because
it
would
be
extreme
to
the
applicant.
Q
Now
what
is
extreme
to
the
applicant
mean
in
this
instance
it
means
it's
more
expensive
for
the
applicant
to
build
that
sort
of
construction.
But
what
it
means
to
my
client
and
joining
homeowners
is
that
they
will
have
two
more
feet
of
view
rights.
So
extreme
is
a
relative
term.
Here.
It
seems
to
us
very
reasonable
to
ask
that
this
applicant
incur
the
additional
expense
and
requirements
needed
to
reduce
the
height
of
this
in
the
scope
and
scale
of
this
project.
Q
The
applicant
has
also
requested
the
rooftop
deck,
and
we
are
glad
to
hear
for
the
first
time
that
he's
agreed
to
put
a
translucent
glass
on
the
north
side
of
the
that
deck,
which
we
would
agree
is
necessary
and
for
no
other
reason
we
need
that
for
sound
attenuation.
Q
The
project
as
proposed
should
not
be
approved,
since
the
grants
applicants
all
of
their
wish
items
and
the
adjoining
homeowners,
especially
our
client,
are
stuck
with
an
inordinate
burden
for
both
of
its
construction
scale
and
ongoing
burden
taken
together.
These
requests
are
unprecedented
in
the
city
and
while
the
applicant
can
cite
rare
example,
rare
examples
is
in
instances
where
some
or
more
of
these
features
are
allowed
in
the
city.
There
are
no
residents
in
the
city
that
allow
or
that
we're
aware
of
that
allowed.
All
of
these
features
taken
together.
Mr
power.
A
So
next
the
next
city
clerk
we
move
to
public
speakers
is
that
correct,
that's
correct!
Thank
you.
Are
there
any
speakers.
C
Madam
mayor,
the
public
comment
or
the
public
speaker
didn't
want
to
continue.
However,
I
do
have
a
written
comment
as
an
accommodation
given
the
late
hour,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
read
it.
C
This
is
from
I'm
sorry
sidney
williams.
I
would
like
to
speak
in
support
of
the
lance
o'donnell
dyer
residence
located
at
525
camino
calidad.
We
are
fortunate
in
palm
springs
to
have
outstanding
architects
who
are
designing
exceptional
commercial
and
residential
projects,
and
lance
is
one
of
this
select
group.
C
He
is
well
aware
of
our
architectural
legacy
of
excellence
and
strives
to
further
that
tradition
as
a
fourth
generation
resident
of
the
coachella
valley,
lance
understands
the
climate
and
the
environment
and
designs
with
this
knowledge
in
mind,
I'm
familiar
with
his
many
projects
over
more
than
20-year
period
and
I'm
always
impressed
by
the
creative
I'm
sorry
by
the
variety
of
creative
solutions
he
achieves
a
recipient
of
several
aia
awards.
Lance
designed
for
the
dyer
residence
will
surely
receive
that
level
of
recognition.
C
Moreover,
as
an
architect
designed
project,
it
will
enhance
the
neighborhood
and
will
likely
increase
the
value
of
the
surrounding
homes.
Both
the
planning
commission
and
the
aac
approve
this
project
unanimously,
and
their
expert
judgment
should
be
upheld
since
last.
Lance
is
an
experienced
in
building
in
palm
springs
is
familiar
with
zoning
laws,
building
codes
and
the
requirements
of
building
on
a
hillside
lot.
I
applaud
his
design
and
urge
you
to
reject
the
appellant's
appeal.
Thank
you
for
your
consideration
and
madam
mayor.
That
concludes
public
comment.
A
Thank
you
and
we
apologize
to
the
public
for
the
late
hour
and
appreciate
city
clerk
you
making
that
accommodation,
which
we
are
always
happy
to
make
to
read
those
comments
out
loud
if
it
is
too
late
for
folks.
So
next,
the
appellant
will
have
two
minutes
for
rebuttal.
If
you
so
choose,
and
then
the
applicant
will
have
two
minutes
for
final
rebuttal.
If
they
choose
that
correct
city
clerk,
yes,.
C
Q
Yes,
I
mean
we
do
not
take
any
exception
with
respect
to
the
architect's
work.
He's
a
talented
architect,
there's
no
question:
we
aren't
impugning
the
architect,
as
the
the
prior
speaker
suggested,
rather
that
the
applicant
itself
is
seeking,
as
is
what
you
would
expect,
often
from
an
applicant.
They
want
to
emphasize
the
value
of
their
property
by
building
it
as
densely
as
possible.
Q
Now
that
only
helps
the
applicant
now
in
terms
of
the
my
client,
the
pallet
who
sits
to
the
north
of
them
they're,
going
to
be
shut
out.
They've
requested
a
variance
of
two
feet
in
connection
with
the
build
out
of
this
project,
they're
going
to
be
shut
out
for
the
rest
of
the
time
they
purchase
this
property
and
anyone
who
purchases
it
from
that
view.
So
I
urge
you
to
reconsider
the
project,
the
skies
and
scope
and
everything
taken
together.
Q
Q
A
K
K
The
total
open
space
for
this
project
is
23
or
the
total
built
area
is
23.
It's
exactly
the
same
open
space
as
mr
hyman's
residence
at
23.
K
It's
specious
to
say
that
the
density,
bulk
and
other
things
for
this
project
are
exceeding
the
neighborhood
we're
at
23
open
space
on
this.
Mr
howard,
hyman
on
the
record,
said
that
he
has
no
views
to
the
south.
His
views
are
to
the
west
and
north
it's
in
his
public
testimony.
K
So
I'm
I'm
yeah,
I'm
flummoxed
at
at
the
continued
insertion
that
this
home
is
larger
than
any
other
home
in
the
neighborhood
and
additionally,
no
variances
were
sought
for
height
there's
a
typical
process,
which
is
the
administrative
minor
modification
that
was
used
for
a
height
at
a
minimum
setback,
but
that
same
process
was
used
on
mr
hyman's
house
and
the
house
to
the
south
of
the
dyers.
So
it's
a
process,
that's
used
every
day
and
no
variances
were
sought
and
the
height
of
the
home
is
in
perfect
keeping
with
accepted
city
standards.
K
So
yeah
again,
you
know
we
were
seeking
approval
of
the
very
diligent
process
the
city
goes
through
and
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
all
for
participating
and
for
all
the
comment
that
we've
received
city
clerk.
Are
there
any
additional
speakers?
No
other
speakers.
Thank
you.
The
public
hearing
is
now
closed,
so
moving
to
city
council.
Is
there
any
discussion
or
additional
questions
for
the
council
from
the
council
council
member.
K
Course
great.
Thank
you.
One
question
for
the
city
attorney
just
I'm
clear,
because
the
issue
of
the
square
footage
of
the
casita
or
accessory
dwelling
unit
came
up.
My
understanding
based
on
current
law
is
even
if
that
wasn't
built.
Now
it's
just
sort
of
an
over-the-counter
to
get
those
under
state
law
and
city
law.
Now,
after
the
fact
right.
K
Thanks
and
I
just
want
to
disclose
since
it's
a
public
hearing
that
council
member
woods-
and
I
at
the
request
of
mr
o'donnell-
did
have
a
virtual
presentation
from
him
about
the
house
and
what
happened
with
the
planning
commission.
K
C
Madam
mayor,
I
I
did
get
a
notice
from
mr
rahim
who
who
did
register
earlier.
I
think
we
recorded
his
phone
number
wrong.
Would
you
be
open
to
opening
the
public
hearing
again
and
taking
this
comment.
A
A
H
Thank
you
good
evening,
city,
council,
members
and
mayor
hostage.
My
name
is
john
ram.
I
am.
I
was
the
former
planning
director
of
the
city
of
san
francisco
for
12
years
until
my
retirement
last
year
and
I'm
now,
a
resident
of
palm
springs,
which
I
truly
love.
I
think
palm
springs
is
one
of
the
few
cities
that
was
built
largely
in
the
20th
century.
H
That
has
a
strong
sense
of
place,
and
I
think
that
has
very
much
to
do
with
the
architectural
legacy
of
the
city
and,
in
my
opinion,
this
project
continues
to
continue
that
legacy.
I
just
would
like
to
make
three
brief
points.
One
is
that
the
project
appears
to
need
to
meet
all
code
requirements.
I
don't
need
to
go
into
details.
You've
heard
that,
but
I
have
reviewed
the
drawings
and
the
documents
submitted
by
both
the
applicant
and
the
appellant,
and
I
believe
all
the
requirements
are
actually
met.
Check
out.
H
The
design
is
very
consistent
with
the
aesthetic
in
that
neighborhood
and
with
the
overall
design.
Aesthetic
of
palm
springs,
I'm
familiar
with
lance's
work,
and
I
think
he
really
understands
the
design
context.
I
would
also
say
frankly
that
lowering
the
garage
is
actually
a
design
benefit
of
the
project
which
should
be
embraced
by
the
neighborhood
rather
than
having
the
garage
be
front
and
center,
as
it
is
in
many
projects.
H
Thirdly,
I
think,
most
importantly,
I
urge
you
not
to
set
a
precedent
to
sort
of
support
an
appeal
of
this
type
of
project.
In
my
30
years
of
work
as
a
city
planner,
I
found
that
it's
quite
common
and
understandable
for
neighbors
to
want
less
bulk
in
size
than
the
code
might
allow,
and
for
builders
and
developers
to
want
more.
For
me,
it
is
important
to
say
no
to
both
the
code
has
to
mean
something.
H
I
understand
that
there
is
often
room
for
interpretation
and
codes
are
complicated,
but
the
basics
are
important
to
uphold
so
that
everyone
is
playing
by
the
same
set
of
rules.
If
each
project
becomes
a
separate
negotiation,
there
is
no
basis
for
agreement
and
can
be
frankly
become
very
chaotic.
And
frankly,
that
was
my
experience
in
san
francisco,
where
a
lot
of
individual
negotiation
has
led
to
far
too
many
cases
or
the
loudest
or
most
powerful
voices
win.
I
strongly
urge
you
not
to
go
in
that
direction.
H
A
Q
Sorry
about
that
yeah
I
said
well,
the
speaker
made
the
point
that
this
was
in
keeping
with
the
development
of
that
particular
area
in
that
neighborhood.
Well,
none
of
the
instances
what
we've
been
provided
of,
subterranean
parking
or
rooftop
decks
are
in
that
neighborhood.
So
that
point
cannot
be
true
they're.
Neither
of
those
instances
are
allowed
that
or
we've
seen
in
that
neighborhood.
Most
of
those
instances
that
you
see
are
developed
property
that
had
been
developed
many
years
ago.
Q
So
that
point
this
is
not
valid
and
it's
certainly
within
the
right
of
the
appellant
to
seek
and
be
concerned
about
development
next
to
him
without
being
deemed
nimby
or
that
being
objectionable.
There's
development,
as
I
indicated
behind
mr
hyman
and
he
hasn't
objected
to
that
development
at
all.
This
development
is
a
horse
of
a
different
color
and
that's
why
the
city
should
be
concerned
because
it's
it's
in
total,
it's
bringing
different
elements
together.
Q
Given
everything
that
we've
asked
that
that
be
reduced
by
two
feet
now
there
is
additional
cost
associated
with
the
applicant,
and
we
understand
that
the
builders
don't
want
to
and
the
applicants
don't
want
to
absorb
those
costs,
but
those
costs
are
temporary,
the
loss
of
a
view
and
the
scale
and
scope
of
a
a
house.
Next
to
you
is
permanent
and
everlasting.
K
Yes,
I
would
madam
mayor,
thank
you
again.
The
project
open
space
is
23
of
the
entire
site.
We
can
accommodate
the
parking
that
on-site.
We
are
not
requesting
any
variances,
our
my
clients.
Property
is
approximately
five
feet
above
the
adjacent
property
and
approximately
three
feet
below
the
property
above
that
to
the
south.
K
So
the
the
property
is
in
keeping
with
the
the
street
side
progression
of
heights
along
the
street
and
then
further
the
overall
height
of
my
client's
home
is
even
given
the
additional
five
feet
of
elevation
and
pad
height
is
is
only
18
inches
above
the
neighbor
to
the
south.
So
I,
the
bulk
and
mass
of
the
dire
residence
is
entirely
in
keeping
with
the
streetscape
the
tuck
under
parking
that
we're
utilizing
is
a
very
valid
approach
to
reducing
bulk
and
creating
a
streetscape
that
is
pleasant.
There
are
many
there
were.
K
We
counted
10
projects
in
a
quarter
mile
radius
with
the
same
tuck
under
parking,
we're
utilizing.
So
again,
we
feel
this
is
a
perfectly
suitable
project
for
the
community,
one
that
will
be
hopefully
celebrated
in
the
future
and
yeah
we're
looking
forward
to
your
approval
tonight.
So,
thank
you.
A
L
I'd
like
to
ask
a
question
of
staff:
if
I
can
is
staff
still
available,
the
question
that
I
have
from
staff
is:
I
heard
the
appellant
say
that
there
was
a
variance.
I
read
the
entire
staff
report
and
don't
think
or
don't
recall,
that
there
was
a
variance
on
this
project.
Is
that
true
or
false.
J
There
is
no
variance
for
the
project,
as
the
architect
has
indicated
in
the
city's
hillside
ordinance.
We
do
allow
for
a
process
called
an
administrative
minor
modification
relative
to
height.
The
hillside.
Ordinance
does
allow
a
height
of
up
to
30
feet
above
adjacent
grade
upon
the
planning
commission's
approval
of
an
administrative,
minor
modification,
and
so
there
is
no
variance,
however,
in
the
hillside
ordinance
it
does
allow
for
an
administrative,
minor
modification.
L
You
know
the
beauty
of
this
neighbor.
This
is
a
beautiful
neighborhood
by
the
way,
so
congratulations
for
one
owning
a
home
there,
mr
bauer,
and
for
building
a
home
there.
Potentially
here,
mr
o'donnell,
so
it's
a
beautiful
neighborhood
and
the
beauty
of
it
is
that
it's
a
neighborhood
that
has
an
eclectic
mix
of
custom
homes,
and
that
really
makes
this
neighborhood
unique
to
go
to.
K
Sure,
just
for
staff,
given
this
appeal
and
go
into
planning
where
the
neighbors
within
500
feet
all
notified
of
this.
F
Excuse
me
clarify,
have,
has
any
other
neighbor
spoken
up
either
in
support
or
opposition
to
this
project.
J
I
believe
the
neighbor
to
the
south
spoke
relative
to
the
project,
had
concerns
relative
to
the
roop
dot
deck
and
the
translucent
panels
were
added
to
appease
that
neighbor.
That's
the
only
one
that
I
am
aware
of.
I
don't
know
if
the
appellant
or
the
architect
are
aware
of
any
other
neighbors
who
have
spoken.
F
All
right,
I
I
hear
no
one
speaking
up,
so
we
take
every
everyone's
view
seriously,
but
it
is
somewhat
telling
that
there
is
not
more
than
one.
A
Seeing
none
we
can
if
we
can
have
a
roll
call
vote.
Please
and
just
to
be
clear.
The
motion
was
to
a
move
staff
recommendation.
H
B
A
Thank
you
all
thank
you
for
being
here.
Thank
you
for
your
work
and
being
part
of
our
community.
We
very
much
appreciate
you
doing
this
work
with
us
at
10.
30
p.m
have
a
great
evening!
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
the
next
item,
so
we
can
check
in
so
we've
completed
all
of
the
public
hearing
items.
We
took
item
3a
and
moved
it
to
the
next
council
meeting
and
we
have
unfinished
business
so
item
4a
review
of
emergency
orders
related
to
covid.
A
A
5,
a
exotic
extractions
request
for
administrative
minor
modification.
Since
we
heard
public
comment
on
that
item,
I
mean
they're,
probably
participating
in
five
hours
in
to
listening
to
this
meeting
for
that
item,
I
would
propose
that
council
move
forward
on
that
item
and
then
see
where
we
are
for
the
rest
of
the
agenda.
A
So
I
have
consensus
around
that
okay.
So
the
next
item
is
item
5a,
a
request
from
exotic
extractions
llc
for
an
administrative,
minor
modification
for
relief
from
the
minimum
separation
distance
requirement
for
a
cannabis
dispensary
for
the
purpose
of
non-storefront
delivery
service
at
1251
montalva
way
unit
l
zone
m1p
case
7.1641
amm.
Can
we
have
a
staff
report?
Please.
J
Madam
mayor
and
members
of
council,
this
is
a
request
for
a
separation
distance
waiver
for
a
proposed
dispensary.
The
dispensary
is
located
within
90
linear
feet
of
another
dispensary.
They
are
both
in
the
same
industrial
building.
Our
code
does
require
a
minimum
500
foot
separation
distance
between
dispensaries.
J
It
should
also
be
noted
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
this
dispensary
license
so
that
they
can
do
a
delivery
service
they're
not
really
intending
to
do
a
walk-in
dispensary
for
customers,
but
more
for
the
delivery
service
itself.
A
dispensary
license
is
required
for
delivery
service.
It
should
also
be
noted
that
the
applicant
is
already
licensed
for
transportation
and
distribution
of
cannabis
products
in
terms
of
the
physical
location
of
the
dispensary
and
its
delivery
service.
J
It
would
be
located
in
unit
l
of
the
building
at
1251
montalvo
way.
This
is
a
site
plan
showing
the
building.
As
you
can
see,
there
is
another
dispensary,
the
higher
vision,
dispensary,
that
is
located
in
units
f
and
g
of
the
same
building,
and
they
are
approximately
90
feet
apart
in
terms
of
the
space
itself.
The
dispensary,
where
the
product
will
be
stored
for
delivery,
is
located
at
the
front
and
will
occupy
approximately
250
square
feet
within
the
tenant
space.
J
In
terms
of
the
findings
for
the
distance
waiver,
first
of
all
is
relative
to
the
use
in
the
general
plan.
The
use
is
allowed
by
the
zoning,
however,
with
the
concentration
of
cannabis
facilities
within
that
building,
it
make
conflict
with
the
general
plan
goal
for
a
balance
of
uses.
J
J
J
The
city
council,
has
adopted
optional
findings
under
resolution.
Number
24
799.:
these
are
those
findings
in
staff's
assessment.
The
property
is
not
blighted.
That
is
one
of
the
optional
findings
in
terms
of
the
tenant
space
and
the
vacant
status
of
the
tenant
space,
it
was
last
occupied
in
2018,
so
within
the
last
three
years
in
terms
of
a
concentration
of
dispensaries.
A
K
J
I
believe
that,
yes,
you
could
place
conditions
upon
this
waiver
and
upon
the
license
that
would
restrict
the
dispensary
to
delivery.
Only.
L
Thank
you,
madam
mayor.
I
I
I
personally
for
this
particular
area.
Do
not
have
a
problem
with
the
close
proximity,
but
I
am
concerned
that
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
impact
to
the
adjacent
residential,
that's
a
little
further
away
and
to
the
cena
neighborhood,
which
complained
quite
heavily
about
this.
This
particular
area
way
back
when
about
odor,
and
I
don't
know
how
they're
delivering
it,
how
they're
going
with
a
quantity
of
product
from
especially
if
it's
flower
from
the
facility
to
the
transport
vehicle
and
how
that
odor
is
mitigated.
J
L
So,
thank
you
with
that
in
mind,
and
with
council
member
core's
condition
that
they
cannot
be
a
storefront,
I
would
move
the
staff
recommend.
I
would
move
to
approve
the
distance.
The
waiver
of
the
distance.
A
A
Seeing
none
can
we
roll
call
vote?
Please.
A
O
Good
evening,
madam
mayor
and
council,
so
I
have
a
little
bit
more
robust
brief
than
I
normally
do
and
at
a
bit
later
of
an
hour
than
than
normal
for
me.
So
this
update's
going
to
include
our
normal
covet
update
as
well
as
a
look
at
some
of
the
different
requirements
at
the
federal
level
of
the
state
level
where
we
are
here
in
palm
springs,
as
well
as
a
look
at
a
couple,
other
cities
and
then
the
last
thing
we're
going
to
touch
on
is
the
chamber
of
commerce's
covid
survey.
That
ended.
O
Next
slide,
you
guys
are
all
familiar
with
it's
the
the
state,
six
metrics
that
they
look
at
for
covid,
including
positive
cases,
deaths,
testing,
hospitalization
and
icu
rates.
The
big
thing
from
this
is
we're
still
on
that
downward
trend
that
that
back
side
of
this
second
wave.
O
This
slide
just
riverside
county
snapshot
from
going
all
the
way
back
to
march,
when
covid
first
hit
us
we'd
see
riverside
county
has
over
362
000
positive
cases.
The
red
circles
are
just
a
highlight
that
peak
that
we
had
around
christmas
and
then
the
low
that
we
had
right
before
summertime
and
then
where
we
are
for
the
past
two
months,
as
we
look
at
that,
the
counties
had
had
an
average
of
26
000
weekly
cases
around
christmas
time.
O
O
This
is
the
the
same.
Slides
just
for
palm
springs,
as
you
can
see,
palm
springs,
we've
had
just
under
4
700,
positive
cases
and
we'll
look
at
those
averages,
so
the
same
time
periods
around
christmas
time.
We
had
286
average
weekly
cases
here
in
the
city,
with
the
actual
peak
being
of
438
cases
the
week
of
january
12th,
and
then
we
went
down
very
very
significantly
to
seven
cases
per
week,
so
one
case
per
day
and
the
week
of
june
15th.
O
O
O
O
The
next
few
slides
are
going
to
cover
the
wastewater
treatment.
Testing
numbers
first
slide
shows
the
data
going
back
to
when
we
first
started
testing
and
this
data
just
mirrors
the
other
metrics
that
we've
seen
where
we
had
the
peak
around
christmas,
and
then
it
came
down
significantly
up
until
the
first
few
months
of
summer,
and
then
we
hit
this
second
wave
that
we've
been
on
the
back
side
for
about
five
or
six
weeks.
O
Now,
as
we
take
a
closer
look
at
the
past
90
days
of
that
that
wastewater
treatment
testing,
we
can
see
that
we've
been
on
a
very
slow,
gradual
downward
trend.
We
do
have
two
peaks
one
at
around
labor
day
and
the
other
one.
On
indigenous
people's
day.
We
test
the
effluent
on
mondays
and
tuesdays,
so
it's
always
going
to
be
after
a
busy
weekend
and
those
are
both
tuesdays,
which
was
after
a
holiday.
O
O
O
The
cdc's
requirements
are
still
they're
recommending
mass
for
all
individuals,
regardless
of
your
vaccination
status
in
some
locations,
so
public
transportation,
hospitals,
shelter
facilities,
airports
anywhere.
We
have
a
large
gathering
of
people
or
where
you're
going
to
have
people
that
are
at
higher
risk.
The
cdc
is
also
recommending
that
unvaccinated
individuals
wear
their
masks
in
almost
all
settings.
O
O
The
other
thing
that
we
have
is
master
required,
regardless
of
vaccination
status
in
indoor
settings
and
even
in
outdoor
settings,
where
there's
a
large
gathering
of
people,
so
village,
fest
and
then
proof
of
vaccination
or
negative
covid
test
for
dining
inside
restaurants
or
drinking
at
bars.
O
O
O
Yes
had
47
percent
and
no
was
52.
You
see
that's
a
pretty
close
50
50
through
all
these
questions,
with
one
exception
should
vaccination
or
should
proof
of
vaccination
or
negative
tests
be
required
indoors
at
businesses?
It's
40
yes
and
59.
No!
O
O
I
apologize
for
the
small
font,
but
the
way
the
chamber
broke
up
their
survey.
This
just
made
the
most
sense,
so
proof
of
vaccination
or
negative
tests
should
be
required
to
dine
or
drink
indoors.
48,
yes,
51!
No-
and
this
is
the
big
big
one.
Proof
of
vaccination
or
negative
tests
should
be
required
to
dine
or
drink
outdoors.
O
Only
25
percent
said
yes
and
74
said
no
proof.
Vaccination
or
a
negative
test
should
be
required
for
large
ticketed
or
permitted
events
such
as
music
festivals,
54,
yes
and
45
percent.
No
math
should
be
required
for
large
city
sponsored
outdoor
events
such
as
parades
where
people
will
be
in
crowded
spaces
outdoors
for
several
hours,
41
percent,
yes
and
58
percent
know.
This
question
is
kind
of
important
because
we
have
pride
coming
next
sunday.
Oh
actually,
all
next
weekend
should
the
city
end
all
covid
rules
for
residents
and
businesses-
49,
yes,
50,
no.
O
So
it
pretty
50
50
split,
except
for
that
one
question
and
here's
just
the
the
overall
how
the
numbers
broke
down.
As
I
said,
about,
80
percent
of
the
respondents
were
palm
springs
residents.
A
total
of
5647
people
completed
the
survey
a
little
over
9
000
started
it,
and
then
we
do
have
a
couple
of
comments.
O
I'm
not
going
to
read
them
they're
available.
If,
if
council
would
like
to
read
them,
that's
all.
I
have.
A
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
detailed
presentation
and
all
the
information
we
very
much
appreciate
it.
So
are
there
questions
or
comments
from
council
members.
F
Thank
you,
I
think
we're
all
starting
to
to
feel
if
a
little
tired,
not
just
simply
from
the
meeting,
but
we're
probably
all
getting
a
little
tired
of
the
restrictions
that
we've
had
to
put
in
place.
That
said,
we're
entering
into
a
really
critical
period
it.
It
was
in
november
and
december
and
january
a
year
ago
that
things
peaked
and
turned
incredibly
for
the
worse.
F
F
None
of
us
know
when
the
next
variant
is
going
to
come
or
if
there's
going
to
be
one,
and
I
I'm
certainly
willing
to
amend
with
with
caution
again
the
restrictions
we
have
in
place,
as
as
it
becomes
clear
that
they're
not
necessary
and
they're
no
longer
being
voluntarily
supported,
but
given
a
choice
right
now,
I'd
like
to
see
us
get
a
little
more
time
a
little
more
data.
Before
we
begin
to
take
down
the
restrictions
we
have.
K
Great
thank
you
mayor
and
pretty
much
in
agreement
with
what
mayor
pro
tem
said.
I
think
you
know
we're
expecting
that
youth
five
to
11
will
be
eligible,
maybe
in
a
week
or
two
for
vaccines
and
given
how
many
of
their
parents
are
essential
workers.
You
know
indoors
at
restaurants
and
bars
and
other
places
and
can
even
if
they're
double
doubly
vaccinated
can
still
be
contagious
to
them.
You
know
I'd
like
us
to
wait
until
they
have
had
an
opportunity
to
get
vaccinated.
K
I
think
the
need
to
have
them
at
village.
Fest
is
one
thing
I
would
change
now.
I
think
people
who
are
really
concerned
you
know,
can
get
protective
mass
in
that
outdoor
environment
and
I
think
the
surf,
the
one
area,
the
survey
wasn't
split,
was
or
was
split,
but
not
as
much
as
you
know,
parades
outdoor
unticketed
events,
which
we
don't
require
them
now.
Village,
fest,
I
think,
is
an
exception,
so
I
might
be
inclined
not
to
have
it
for
that.
K
So
that's
my
general
thinking.
I
would
note
that
even
with
all
our
tourists
we're
still
half
the
cases
of
every
week,
you
know
the
last
five
weeks
upon
desert
per
capita
of
desert
hot
springs
of
cathedral
city
and
while
the
cases
are
down
from
the
high
they're,
not
down
to
as
low
as
they
were
and
just
reading
today
about,
you
know
the
uk
we're
starting
to
get
colder
and
they
got
rid
of
most
of
their
rules.
K
You
know
they're
now,
heading
in
terms
of
crisis
situation
once
again
compared
to
some
other
countries
that
have
kept
them
in
europe.
So
I
I
sure
say
other
concern
as
we're
going
into
the
colder
months,
but
look
forward
to
hearing
whatever
announcements.
L
Well,
councilmember
core
said
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
I'll
just
add
a
little
bit
more
to
it.
I
I
don't
think
our
outdoor
mask
mandate
is
being
voluntarily
supported
and
I
give
you
you
know
it's
not.
We
have
the
homecoming
parade.
I
didn't
see
anyone
wearing
masks
on
the
sidelines
or
in
the
parade
for
that
matter.
L
We
had
our
downtown
park
opening
the
same
thing.
Nobody
was
wearing
masks
when
they
did
that
village
fest.
If
you
go
to
village
fest,
no
one's
wearing
a
mess,
there
are
those
people
that
can
that
will
that
may
want
to
wear
them
for
their
own
protection,
and
I
give
them
a
thumbs
up
on
that
completely.
A
Thank
you.
I
agree
with
that.
So
I
agree
that
we
should
change
for
outdoor
events
that
are
not
ticketed
that
are
not
mass
gatherings
under
state
law,
because
the
data
is
that
and
we've
had
the
public
health
officer.
The
former
one
from
the
county
tell
us
that
he's
not
worried
as
an
expert
about
incidental
exposure
from
being
outside,
and
so
I
think
we
learn
from
the
data
that
that's
probably
not
a
risk
unless
it's
mass
gatherings
like
a
music
festival
where
people
are
really
mixing
and
really
really
close.
A
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
and
jump
on
top
of
that,
if
I
could
to
agree,
but
you
know
the
this
pandemic
is
here
to
stay.
A
We
didn't
know
that
I
think
maybe
we
should
have,
but
we
didn't
know
that
two
almost
two
years
ago,
a
year
and
a
half
ago-
and
we
started
down
this
path-
and
you
know
it's
interesting
to
see
the
split
in
50
50..
This
has
become
such
a
polarized
and
political
issue,
but
I'm
really
proud
of
all
the
work
that
we've
done
to
protect
our
residents,
and
you
can
see
that
our
residents
by
and
large,
I
think,
want
these
protections
and
want
to
stay
safe
because
we
do
have
such
an
at-risk
community.
A
So
we
don't
want
to
put
additional
burdens
on
businesses,
but
many
businesses
have
asked
us
for
these
requirements,
so
I
would
just
continue
to
ask
businesses
if
this
is
impacting
you
we
want
to
hear
about
it
both
negative
and
positive.
I
know
we
get
a
lot
of
those
emails,
but
really
just
a
plea
to
our
community
to
our
city
staff
to
everyone
please
get
vaccinated.
A
Please
get
your
boosters,
please
get
your
flu
vaccine
as
we
move
into
the
winter.
There
are
people
in
our
community
who
are
immune
immunocompromised,
who
are
not
able
to
get
the
vaccine
for
various
reasons.
There
are
those
of
us
who
have
children
who
are
not
able
to
get
a
vaccine
and
won't
be
for
years
and
years,
and
yes,
I'm
very
concerned
that
point
zero,
four
percent,
whatever
it
is
of
the
rest
of
the
world,
has
been
vaccinated
or
has
access
to
testing,
and
so
we
know
that
there
will
be
new
variants.
A
So
I
very
much
unfortunately
think
the
pandemic
is
here
to
stay
and
we
just
need
to
continue
to
do
our
best
to
follow
data-driven
scientific
approaches,
and
so
it
sounds
like
that
is
to
continue
ms
mandate
indoors.
I
saw
cathedral
city
has
continued
theirs
until
december
10th,
so
I
might
offer
that
we
do
the
same
and
align
with
our
neighbor
and
cathedral
city,
since
we
go
back
and
forth
between
those
cities
pretty
closely
and
that
we
change
the
outdoor
events
for
non-ticketed
events
that
can
be
spaced
properly.
B
I
do
just
want
to
raise
up
the
businesses
issue,
I
mean.
There's
been
several
businesses
that
have
reached
out
to
us
who
are
not
in
our
downtown
area
that
are
really
struggling
and
they
don't
have
parklets.
They
don't
have
the
ability
to
adjust
in
the
same
way
that
these
restaurants
do
downtown
they're
in
a
much
different
situation,
and
it
is
impacting
their
business
and
they're
telling
us
that
they're
struggling,
which
makes
sense
right
because.
B
So
I
just
want
to
raise
that
up.
I
mean
I.
I
completely
understand
the
the
concerns
that
that
all
of
you
are
raising
and
I
absolutely
can
continue
to
support
wearing
a
mask
indoors.
B
But
I
do
just
want
to
put
that
out
there
that
that
there's,
while
there
are
there,
are
people
downtown
that
are
cool
with
all
of
this
there's
others
who
aren't-
and
I
I
just
struggle,
because
when
I
talk
to
those
businesses
and
ask
you
know
what
can
the
can
we
get
you
set
up
with
park
led
or
something
like
that
or
it's
just?
They
don't
have
the
funds
to
do
it,
because
again,
these
are
much
smaller
businesses
than
what
you
have
downtown.
B
A
Thank
you
and
just
to
be
clear.
I
don't
think
that
the
chamber
of
commerce
survey
was
at
all
limited
to
people
who
are
downtown,
and
obviously
the
city
council
cares
about
all
of
our
business
districts
and
for
those
of
us
who
represent
districts
who
are
not
downtown,
we
continue
to
support
all
of
our
businesses.
I've
heard
similar
things
from
small
mom
and
mom
pop
and
pop
mom
and
pop.
A
Small
businesses,
very
small
businesses,
probably
need
a
gen
more
gender
neutral
term
for
those
we
I've
heard
the
same,
and
so
you
know
it's
not
all
or
nothing.
I
think
that
we've
said
that
we
can
be
really
flexible
to
support
businesses,
so
could
it
be
that
we
change
our
interpretation
even
or
the
actual
requirements
for
which
restaurants?
This
applies
to
right?
You
know,
one
example
might
be
teriyaki,
yogi,
mom
and
pop
small
business
in
my
district,
and
you
know,
that's
mostly
carry
away
and
they
can't
have
a
parklet.
D
Mayor,
unfortunately,
I
think
that
would
be
difficult
to
do.
Even
establishing
clear
criteria
would
be
a
little
bit
difficult,
but
then
enforcement,
I
think,
even
more
so
truthfully
it's
it's
probably
I
I
would
recommend
that
we
do
have
consistent
policies.
Do
recall
or
note
that,
for
the
take
away
services
for
delivery
drivers
for
lots
of
other
things,
if
the
mask
isn't
coming
off
those
proof
of
vaccination
or
negative
test
requirements,
don't
apply
that
that
has
been
an
area
we've
seen.
Some
confusion
doesn't
apply
eating
outdoors.
D
A
Things
so
yeah
we
could
look
at
if
you
have
a
host
or
hostess
also
need
a
gender
neutral
term
for
that
a
host,
I
think
we
say
we
have.
We
had
talked
about
that.
We
could
look
at
square
footage,
but
I
I
hear
you
on
the
enforcement
of
exceptions
and
we're
probably
not
going
to
design
that
policy
right
now.
A
B
The
other
thing
that
was
raised
by
another
small
business
about
this
was
having
some
kind
of
sense
of
of
timeline
as
well
like.
When
could
they
expect
to
be
not
having
to
check
vaccination
status?
And
I
think
the
other
hard
thing
about
the
restaurant
vaccination
status
is
that
we
don't.
We
just
discussed
this
before
right.
B
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
be
regularly
checking
any
of
these
businesses,
and
so
you
have
some
people
who
just
don't
check
and
they
they
are
not
going
to
they
don't
care
or
want
to
or
have
the
capacity
whatever
and
then
there's
others
like
you
know
one
of
the
restaurants
that
I've
been
speaking
with,
who
it's
the
rules
so
they're
doing
it
right,
but
it's
hurting
them,
but
they're
doing
it,
because
it's
the
rule
so,
but
you
know
but
they're
hearing
about
other
places
that
are
not
and
and
that's
where
I
think
the
struggle
really
really
lies
yeah
I
bet,
but
if
there's
some
way
for
us
to
as
we're
moving
forward
in
this,
provide
some
sort
of
idea
of
of
when
this
might
change
in
terms
of
like.
B
Is
there
a
threshold
right?
Something
like
that,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
restaurants
and
businesses
that
are
not
in
a
tourist
area,
it's
mostly
local
residents.
So
if
eighty-five
percent
of
ninety
percent
of
our
residents
are
vaccinated,
you
know
does
that
make
a
difference.
I'm
just
asking.
F
Yeah
I
what
I
would
like
to
suggest-
and
I
think
councilmember
garner-
raises
a
great
question.
Everybody
wants
to
know
when
this
is
going
to
end,
so
I
think
we
loosen
the
rules
for
outdoors.
F
That
seems
to
be
clearly
supported
by
all
of
us
now
and
come
back
it
at
the
meeting
in
the
first
of
december
and
see
where
we're
at
has.
Are
we
starting
to
see
a
trend
like
last
december,
our
november
and
december
or
is
are
things
continuing
to
drop
off
in
terms
of
number
of
exposures
and
let
ourselves
be
guided
by
some
of
the
data
over
the
next
month?.
A
Yeah
my
concern
is
the
yo-yoing
of
restrictions
and
rules,
and
that's
what
we've
heard
from
our
businesses
and
staff
and
and
workers
is
that
it's
really
difficult
to
follow
right.
If
there's
a
threshold,
if
there's
it's
up
and
down
it's
required,
and
then
it's
not.
So
I,
like
mayor
pro
tem
suggestion
that
we
keep
the
rules
in
place.
You
know,
based
on
the
data,
I
would
be
willing
to
consider
talking
about
the
vaccination
requirement,
but
then,
where
are
we
going
to
be
in
two
weeks?
A
L
You
said
what
I
was
going
to
say,
but
I
wanted
to
say
one
additional
thing
that
was
brought
up
earlier
by
the
mayor
get
vaccinated.
This
is
real.
I
just
want
to
tell
you
on
a
personal
note.
My
brother
is
in
the
hospital
and
something
as
easy
as
breathing.
He
has
a
breathing
tube
down
both
lungs,
something
as
easy
as
defecating.
He
can't
defecate.
L
A
A
A
D
Mayor
and
council,
I
don't
think,
there's
a
lot.
We
need
to
discuss
this
evening
with
the
items
that
are
pushed
to
the
november
4th
meeting.
I
think
the
4th
and
18th
are
pretty
much
spoken
for
at
this
point.
Do
recall
we
also
have
a
special
visioning
session
on
the
20th,
so
we'll
try
to
keep
the
meeting
scheduled
for
the
18th
a
little
shorter.
If
we
can
it's
scheduled
that
way
now,
but
given
our
rollover
items,
we
might
have
to
add
a
little
bit
to
that
agenda.
F
Yeah
I
would
like
to
ask
staff
to
evaluate
and
report
back
to
us
that
at
what
point
they
think
it
is
prudent
for
us
to
move
back
to
the
diocese
for
our
meetings
and
at
what
point
it
will
become
reasonable
to
resume
having
the
public
present
for
our
meetings.
And
I
don't
think,
that's
imminent.
But
let's,
let's
start
talking
about
that,
as
hopefully
things
improve.
A
Seeing
none
we
will
next
move
to
adjournment.
The
next
regular
city
council
meeting
will
be
held
on
november,
4th
2021,
that's
next
thursday,
at
5
30.
Thank
you
very
much.
Everyone
thank
you
city
staff,
for
your
work
and
for
staying
late
with
us.
Thank
you
to
the
public,
and
we
will
see
you
next
week
have
a
great.