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A
Tonight,
there's
25,000
people
who
vote
in
Palm
Springs,
and
it's
really
important
for
us
to
hear
what
more
a
larger
sampling
of
the
residents
of
Palm
Springs
actually
think.
I
was
thinking.
Perhaps
none
the
fourth
we
should
have
may
add,
maybe
a
leaf
blower
issue
or
something
to
the
agenda
or
you
know,
or
even
marijuana
issue
that
bring
them
in,
but
we
need
more
people
to
come
on
the
force.
A
The
rank-choice
voting
sounds
like
an
interesting
idea,
but
as
Miss
formics
said,
I
think
the
education
of
the
voters
would
be
a
challenge,
but
if
we
could
do
that,
the
candidate
forum,
I
think,
is
a
really
great
idea,
because
I
tell
you
I,
don't
you
know
when
you're
running
for
office
and
you
pull
papers,
you
sit
down
with
the
city
clerk
of
ermine.
We,
the
city
for
80
years,
has
always
been
where
the
council
is
really.
We
decide
questions
on
ordinances.
We
make
the
final
decisions,
but
all
the
staff
work
and
the
recommendations
effect.
A
I
really
love
your
idea
on
the
three
year
three
year,
mostly
because
I
propose
that
some
time
ago,
but
I
think
it's
great,
because
nobody
is
required
to
do
an
extra
year,
which
some
people
may
not
want
to
do,
and
some,
and
also
it's
not
fair
to
take
a
year
away
from
somebody
and
I
know
to
and
then
in
the
city
charter
in
1994.
That's
exactly
what
they
did.
The
first,
when
the
city
charter
adjusted
this
to
the
two
odd
years,
they
made
a
couple
three-year
terms
there.
So
that's
there's,
certainly
preference
precedent
on
that.
A
One
thing
on
the
rotating
mayor:
I
just
want
to
make
a
couple
comments.
I
really
have
to
think
about
this
hard
over
the
next
week,
because
even
though
I
read
the
report
and
studied
it
and
thought
the
last
three
days,
having
listened
to
all
of
you
tonight
and
listened
to
the
public
comment
soliciting
my
fellow
council
members,
I
have
a
lot
to
think
about
I'm
going
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
for
my
feet
up
thinking
over
the
next
week.
A
But
one
thing
about
mayor's
that
I
want
that,
but
the
city
in
from
1938
to
1982
did
have
five
and
seven
council
members.
They
they
selected
amongst
themselves.
It
would
be
serving
as
mayor
and
then
in
1982
or
eight
1980.
They
had
an
election
and
talking
to
people
who
have
been
here
living
here
a
long
time,
I
understand
that
they
felt
that
you
know
the.
A
Although
the
mayor,
the
role
of
Mayor,
was
mostly
ceremonial
representatives,
spokesman,
etc,
people
wanted
to
select
who
was
going
to
be
in
that
role
of
spokesman
and
representative
of
the
city
face
of
the
city,
so
be
it
then
in
1994
they
again
voted
to
continue
to
do
that.
So
I
think
we
have
to
think
very
carefully.
There's
been
a
lot
of
good
arguments
and
times
change.
A
Things
change
circumstances
change,
but
we
need
to
also
keep
history
in
mind
when
we
look
at
what
we're
going
to
do
going
forward
in
the
future,
and
that
brings
up
a
question
I
have
since
we
have
our
visiting
attorney
in
our
city
attorney
up
here.
The
Mayor
Pro
temps
is
something
I
found
interesting
well,
I
find
everything.
You
say
interesting,
but
the
question
was
on
going
to
the
public
on
this
I
mean
we
had
15
speakers
tonight.
That's
you
know.
As
mr.
A
Wolfe
said,
that's
not
a
scientific
sampling
and
I've
been
to
six
or
seven
or
eight
of
the
public
meetings,
and
then
we
had
a
good
turnout,
but
that
was
really
not
a
large
group.
We
have
25,000
voters
but
I
understand
from
the
attorneys.
We
can
do
four
and
one
and
directly
elect
it,
or
we
can
do
five
and
row
and
rotate.
Is
there
and
I
know?
Mr.
Wolfe
said
I
found
sort
of
intriguing
about?
A
If
we
had
an
election
it
could
be
declared
invalid
because
it
was
still
racially
biased
voting,
but
on
the
other
side
of
the
coin
too,
this
is
a
sea
change
in
the
way
Palm
Springs
has
operated
since
1982.
So
to
not
give
the
members
of
the
public
a
voice
in
this
I
think
is
a
concern.
So
could
I
get
a
couple
of
legal
comments
on.
B
Or
I
can
certainly
speak
to
that.
Mr.
mayor
I,
I
think
what
dr.
Wolfe
was
mentioning
is
an
interesting
idea.
I
think
there
is
a
time
factor
here
that
we
have
to
consider.
There
is
a
demand
that
mr.
Shankman
made
on
the
city
that
we
convert
over
to
a
by
district
system
of
some
form.
Mr.
cotton
has
worked
out.
An
extension
was
mr.
Shankman
until
the
end
of
this
year.
Beyond
that,
who
knows
what
mr.
Shankman
will
do?
He
may
file
a
legal
action
at
that
point?
He
may
not.
B
So
there
is
a
time
factor
there
that
for
practical
purposes
does
not
permit
an
election.
You
know
in
time
to
do
that,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
three
four
eight
eight
six
exists
in
the
law
is
in
order
to
give
cities
that
opportunity
to
make
those
changes
without
having
to
go
through
the
process
of
election,
which
is
necessarily
time-consuming
and
could
put
the
city
in
a
time
crunch
on
when
they
have
one
of
these
demands
that
they're
facing
so.
C
Just
so
I'd
like
to
add
one
thing,
one
of
the
elements
at
the
foundation
of
this
whole
discussion
that
we're
having
here
tonight
the
work
that
the
working
group
has
done
this
process
that
the
subcommittee
crafted
for
the
council
at
request
as
a
body,
is
that
racially
polarized
voting
has
to
be
eliminated
and
I
guess
I'll
point
as
an
attorney
and
it
won't
shock
our
attorney
members
to
the
concept
of
the
fruit
of
the
poisonous
tree.
And
what
I
mean
by
bringing
up.
C
That
concept
is
that
if
we
really
do
have
racially
polarized
voting
here
in
Palm
Springs,
which,
by
the
way,
notwithstanding
the
outstanding
work
by
our
CVRA
working
group,
the
council's
decision
as
a
matter
of
policy
to
move
in
the
direction
of
districts
I'm
not
willing
to
concede,
as
your
city
attorney,
that
there
is
racially
polarized
as
the
law
defines
it
in
Palm
Springs.
And
what
I
want
to
say
is
that
that
issue
is
a
subject
of
dispute
between
mr.
Shankman,
his
voting
rights,
advocacy
group
and
the
city.
C
At
this
moment
now,
the
city
hasn't
taken
a
position
I'm
just
giving
you
my
legal
assessment,
and
my
comment
is
that
if
we
don't
move
in
the
direction
of
districts
in
a
manner
consistent
with
everything,
that's
happened
to
date
on
the
timeline
that
has
been
agreed
upon
by
mr.
Shankman,
his
client
we're
going
to
be
in
a
situation
where,
if
we
go
down
the
road
of
an
election,
we'll
be
subject
to
a
couple
of
things,
number
one
is
what
mr.
priest
said,
which
is
the
timeline
will
come
and
go.
The
deadline
will
come
and
go.
C
It's
likely.
He
would
file
an
action.
I,
don't
know
if
I'll
be
able
to
get
another
extension,
but
perhaps
more
importantly,
if
we
send
it
to
the
electorate-
and
let's
hypothetically
say
that
the
electorate
says
you
know
what
we
want
to
have
a
direct
elect
mayor.
That
fact
is
defensible
and
viable
under
the
Voting
Rights
Act
as
you've
heard
tonight,
but
maybe
more
important
than
that.
It's
also
something
that's
subject
to
attack
and
here's
here's
a
simple
way
of
looking
at
it.
You
can't
just
be
a
little
bit
pregnant
if
you
have
racially
polarized
voting.
C
You
have
racially
polarized
voting
and
under
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
and
this
is
the
crucial
distinction
here
under
the
Voting
Rights
Act.
Any
vestige
any
element
of
at-large
elections
is
arguably
the
problem.
If
you've
got
that
racially
polarized
voting
and
you
have
that
element
in
your
whole
system,
no
matter
where
it
is
of
at-large,
it's
subject
to
an
additional
attack
and
you've
heard
in
Prior
public
meetings
and
I.
Think
even
dr.
C
wolf
in
some
of
his
comments
intimated
that
just
because
we
resolve
things
here
doesn't
mean
that
if
we
go
four
plus
one,
another
attorney
couldn't
file
another
challenge.
So
it's
really
imperative
that
the
council,
in
looking
at
these
options,
assess
the
legal
side.
This
thing
and,
in
addition
to
just
the
practical
problem
that
the
legislature
solved,
would
that
statute.
As
mr.
priest
pointed
out,
it
gave
us
the
option
of
not
going
to
the
electorate.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
You
know
I,
think
most
of
us,
because
we've
been
studying
this
understand
that
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
public
understands
that.
Well,
really,
we
have
no
choice
on
this
and
also,
although
it
would
be
great
to
have
the
public
weigh
in
on
this.
We
can't
because
we
have
to
decide
this
by
the
end
of
December.
So
unless
we
I
mean
it's
just
it
just
cannot
be
done.
We
cannot
have
at-large
election
to
make
a
decision
on
something
like
a
charter
amendment,
so.
C
B
D
D
There
are
a
couple
of
things
one
mister
cop
can
give
us
a
list
of
cities
that
had
there
were
cities
that
went
to
an
election,
they
took
the
position
of
something
something
that
would
not
eliminate
racially
polarized
voting
with
their
electorate.
They
were
subsequently
sued
and
they
didn't
have
the
choice
of
deciding
which
system
they
would
put
in
after
that
that
was
imposed
by
the
plaintiffs.
So
that's
the
risk
of
that
and
we
looked
at
that.
We
just
we
both
discussed
our
timeline,
but
we
also
looked
at
what
that
risk
was.
B
D
Just
oh
I'm,
sorry,
and
just
another
thing:
we
went
to
twenty
signatures
because
most
cities
do
that.
Palm
Springs
is
unusual
and
the
number
that
you
require
collected
and
I
just
remember
having
to
have
parties
and
do
a
whole
lot
of
things
early
on
to
get
a
hundred
and
twenty
signatures
that
were,
you
know
it
was
it's
doable,
but
it's
just
a
lot
of
work
and
there's
not.
There
wasn't
really
a
good
reason
for
there's.
D
F
If
I
may,
I
just
want
to
make
two
very
quick
points,
the
first
is
actually
three.
The
first
is
with
with
great
gratitude
to
everyone's.
According
me,
the
accolade
of
doctor
I'm,
no
kind
of
doctor
I
have
a
juris
doctor
which
any
lawyer
who
calls
himself
doctor
based
on
it.
Having
at
JD's
I,
have
a
lot
to
say
about
that.
F
F
Just
don't
want
any
impression
to
be
left
that
the
fact
that
there's
quote
unquote
only
25
people
here
tonight
is
somehow
means
that
you
know
the
input
that
they've
brought
is
anything
other
than
indispensable
to
the
process
that
we're
going
through
tonight.
And
second,
you
know
insofar
as
this
is
a
topic
that's
going
to
require
some
kind
of
further
engagement
that
people
are
asking.
You
know,
why
is
it
that
this
doesn't
get
to
be
put
to
a
vote?
E
So
a
better
word
for
me
probably
would
have
been
sampling
rather
than
survey.
I
guess
what
I
was
trying
to
understand
is
in
the
in
the
people
that
you
connected
with
in
the
community.
Was
it
an
overwhelming
majority
that
wanted
a
council
elected
mayor
or
five
districts,
so
I
think
I
already
have
my
answer
and
I
wasn't
advocating
for
this.
E
So
it's
I
think
it's
vital
that
when
we
leave
tracks
behind
here-
and
this
question
comes
up
like
why
didn't
I
get
a
say
in
this,
we
need
to
be
very,
very
clear
and
what
we
leave
behind
on
how
and
why
we're
making
these
decisions.
That
was
my
point
I.
You
know
and
I'll
just
end,
that
that
question
of
mine
by
saying
you
know
I've,
served
as
a
mayor
in
another
city
in
a
separately
and
not
I'm.
E
Sorry
in
a
council
elected
mayor,
Oriole
situation,
it
was
very
effective
and
the
examples
that
Kathy
noted
and
where
you
may
have
a
situation
where
you
somebody
on
the
council
doesn't
want
to
serve
as
mayor.
We
had
that
and
we
also
had
the
situation
that
you
had
Kathy
as
well,
where
we
had
somebody
that
we
just
didn't
feel
was
the
right
speaker
for
us
and
for
our
community
and
I,
have
always
thought
of
the
mayor
as
a
speaker
for
the
council
and
whose
job
it
is
to
represent.
E
What's
going
on
in
City
Hall,
clearly
to
the
community,
so
it
from
my
own
experience.
It
works
really
really
well.
I
just
want
us
to
be
what
I
already
said
very
clear,
and
why
we're
doing
what
we're
doing
and
why
the
community
is
being
handled
in
this
decision
in
the
way
that
they
are
simply
because
we
don't
have
a
choice
in
the
matter.
D
E
D
E
D
Thought
we
could
bring
this
up
because
it's
probably
hard
for
you
to
do
it,
but
we
think
that
you
have
a
good
that
you
are
working
full-time,
that
you
should
that
people
do
have
car
expenses,
that
people
who
want
to
have
children
will
have
childcare
expenses
and
that
you
don't
get
salaries
and
that
you
should
be
thinking
about
staff.
I
mean
at
least
and
I
see
this
from
the
Planning
Commission
there.
D
The
city
needs
a
legislative
analysts
that
can
help
you
draft
statutes,
I
think
you,
you
probably
spend
more
times
than
you
need
working
on
things
like
that
or
reviewing
things
there.
We
just
felt
like
we
could
say
it
to
you
that
what
you're
paid
is
a
stipend
it
it
it's
not
even
the
lowest
pay
that
somebody
who's
managerial
guests
in
California
and
right
now,
you're
limited.
D
You
have
an
ordinance
that
requires
that
you
get
the
median
or
the
average
of
of
several
of
the
desert
charter
cities,
but
they
all
probably
have
the
same
thing
and
nobody
raises
salaries
and
and
you're
not
going
to
get.
You
know
you're
not
going
to
get
we're
not
going
to
keep
young
people
on
the
council,
they
might
go
once,
but
they
won't
go
twice
because
they
can't
take
care
of
their
families
or
they
can't
pay
their
bills.
B
Just
want
to
address
a
couple
of
points
in
the
discussion
so
far.
Mr.
mayor,
you
had
mentioned
the
possibility
of
a
six
plus
one
or
a
7
councilmember
structure.
Everybody
in
the
city
would
vote
on
that.
That
would
be
a
charter
amendment
done
by
a
citywide
measure
that
would
be
proposed,
so
everybody
in
the
city
would
vote
on
that.
That
would
be
a
change
to
the
Charter
and
then
it
would
proceed
from
there.
That's
the
first
point.
Second
point
is
nomination
signatures.
I
can
point
out
that
yes,
Palm
Springs
is
unusual.
B
That's
an
unusually
high
number.
The
default
position
under
the
elections
code
10
to
200
is
actually
20
between
20
and
30
signatures,
and
so
it's
a
pretty
high
threshold
that
Palm
Springs
has
last
thing
I'm
going
to
take
a
moment
to
redeem
myself
from
my
laps
earlier
mr.
Kors
SB
1250,
that's
the
one
about
the
residency
rules.
It
changes
some
of
the
technical
rules
of
you,
know,
you're
presumed
residents
and
where
you
live
and
where
you
can
represent
that's
limited
to
members
of
the
state
legislature
and
members
of
Congress.
G
Just
asked
a
question:
I
think
councilmember
Middleton
has
been
waiting
so
I'll.
Let
her
go
before
me,
so
why
it
seems,
like
the
exception
for
the
CVRA
in
charter
amendments
is
quite
broad
and
so
I
don't
know
the
law
and
that
so
why
would
moving
to
seven
districts
not
be
an
exception
and
in
furtherance
of
the
CPRA,
especially
if
we
needed
more
districts
to
adequately
represent
minority
populations
or
something
like
that,
the.
B
Alleged
violation
under
the
CVR
a
is
that
you
have
at-large
elections.
It's
not
the
number
of
your
councilmembers.
The
number
of
your
representatives
is
just
the
simple
fact
that
you
have
at-large
elections
which,
under
the
C
VRA,
is
solved
that
by
transitioning
to
my
district,
that
is
the
narrow
exception
that
3/4
886
allows,
because
that
is
in
furtherance
of
the
CVRA
to
address
that
specific
issue.
C
Elsewhere,
holstege
I
I
would
read
3
4,
8
8
6
very
narrowly,
because
if
we
don't
read
it
narrowly,
we
can
bootstrap
our
way
to
any
charter
amendment
that
we
really
want
to
make
as
a
City
Council.
The
five
of
you
could
do
anything
you
wanted.
If
we
didn't
read
that
section
narrowly,
we
want
to
limit
it
to
the
goals
of
the
CBRE,
but,
more
importantly,
it
specifically
addressed
s--
addresses
the
issues
that
mr.
priest
has
raised
and
I
would
caution
you.
C
B
4
8
8
6
was
specifically
intended
to
address
a
catch.
20
numbers
out
tonight
address
a
catch
22
that
a
number
of
cities
found
themselves
in
before
that
law
was
passed.
They
would
receive
a
letter
saying
you
need
to
transition
over
to
by
district
and
they'd,
say:
ok,
it's
a
charter
amendment
we
have
to
take
it
to
our
voters
and
the
voters
would
say
no
now
you've
got
the
voters
saying
no.
You
have
an
attorney
over
here,
saying
you
better,
do
it.
B
A
H
A
H
H
The
number
of
people
who
participated
in
the
various
events
around
the
city
were
just
incredible
from
the
business
community
to
the
various
local
neighborhood
communities.
I
know
at
one
of
the
meetings
there
were.
Some
things
said
that
I
wish.
No
one
felt
that
were
demeaning
to
communities
of
color
in
our
city
and
I
am
thrilled
with
the
response
that
we
are
getting
which
says.
Yes,
we
will
get
involved.
I
do
want
to
pick
up
on
some
and
I've
certainly
been
following
all
of
the
questions
about
three
four
eight
eight
six
did
I
get
that
right.
H
That's
pretty
good!
For
me,
one
of
my
earliest
memories
in
California
politics
was
the
Rumsfeld
fair
housing
law
that
said
that
tried
to
overturn
restricted
covenants.
That
said
where
people
could
live
and
the
legislature
took
action
to
overturn
those
restricted,
covenants
and
people
who
didn't
believe
that
that
was
an
appropriate
measure,
went
to
the
voters
and
asked
them
to
overturn
the
act
of
the
legislature
that
was
overturned,
move
ahead.
H
So
there
is
a
reason
why
civil
rights
issues
sometimes
do
not
go
to
the
voters
or,
if
they
do,
the
courts
have
an
opportunity
to
overturn
decisions
that
disenfranchise
people
that
treat
people
unequally.
I
wish
we
could
say
in
our
country
that
absolutely
every
time
the
voters
go
to
the
polls,
they
make
the
best
most
intelligent,
most
enlightened
decision.
H
We
are
bound
by
their
decision
except
to
the
extent
that
their
decisions
do
not
conform
with
the
law,
and
so
we're
going
to
have
to
do
an
awful
lot
of
changes
here.
But
I
want
to
remind
all
of
us.
The
context
of
civil
rights
law
is
very
well
rooted
in
important
guarantees
that
come
from
our
Federal
Constitution
and
that
no
one
has
the
ability
to
overturn
when
I
asked
the
attorneys
and
I'm.
Referring
to
the
letter
that
we
received
from
mr.
H
King
and
in
that
letter,
as
he
discusses
the
differences
between
four
and
five
districts
and
why
he
believes
that
four
with
an
at-large
elected
mayor
is
the
is
the
more
preferable.
He
uses
the
phrase
that
the
percentage
differences
that
occur
in
terms
of
minority
voters
between
maps
that
are
based
on
four
plus
one
versus
five
point.
Our
five
and
zero
are
simply
insignificant.
B
Going
to
say
this
very
carefully
under
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act,
if
the
city
transitions
from
an
at-large
to
a
by
district
system
and
draws
those
districts
consistent
with
federal
law,
because
you've
got
an
interplay
between
both
of
them,
the
California
one
is
what
creates
it.
It's
what
necessitates
the
transition
and
then,
when
you
draw
the
district's,
you
follow
the
federal
law
in
how
you
apportion
them
communities
of
interest.
How
you
do
that
the
majority
minority
district
concept
is
not
something
that
needs
to
be
strictly
followed
to
comply
with
CVRA.
B
I
B
Wasn't
privy
to
those
discussions,
I,
don't
know
what
happened
in
Santa
Maria
with
MALDEF,
and
all
that
what
I
can
tell
you
is
you
know
again
under
federal
law.
You
draw
the
districts
as
compact
as
you
can
there
there's
a
whole
number
of
factors
that
you
do
under
FIFRA,
compactness
of
the
district's
maintaining
communities
of
interest
following
along
Geographic,
topographic
and
infrastructure
lines
like
that.
Those
are
all
relevant
factors,
but
the
need
to
have
a
majority
minority
district
is
not
a
requirement,
it
can
be
a
good
policy
and
it
certainly
something
the
city
can
consider.
C
Only
add
councilmember
Middleton
that
this
council
has
never
been
vague
with
respect
to
its
views
in
the
time
that
I've
served
it
and
the
council
established
majority-minority
as
as
a
goal
now
that
doesn't
mean
it's
required
by
the
California
Voting
Rights
Act,
and
it
doesn't
mean
that
the
driving
force
of
your
decisions
regarding
where
these
district
lines
should
be
drawn
and
how
many
districts
there
should
be
should
be
driven
by
that
goal.
The
goals
are
in
the
CVRA,
as
mr.
priest
has
just
explained.
C
H
Right
I
think
most
of
my
other
questions
and
comments
have
been
made
other
than
again
to
thank
you
for
your
incredible
work.
I
will
note
for
the
record
that,
as
a
member
of
the
Riverside
County
Transportation
Commission
I
have
consistently
taken
mileage
from
the
Riverside
County
Transportation
Commission,
when
driving
to
Riverside,
but
other
than
that
I
think
I've
tried
to
keep
it
to
to
a
minimum.
H
A
G
You,
mr.
mayor,
it's
been
a
long
meeting,
I'm,
not
sure
if
everyone's
still
with
us,
but
I
get
a
go
last
so
I
do
have
some
questions
and
comments.
I
do
want
to
say
this
is
the
best
report
that
maybe
I've
ever
read.
It's
extremely
comprehensive
and
that's
saying
a
lot
because
in
law,
school
I
read
a
lot
of
reports
and
we
read
a
lot
up
here
and
it's
just
really
incredible.
The
amount
of
work
that
you've
dedicated
to
the
community
is
just
amazing
and
you're
doing
it
for
free.
G
So
we're
really
grateful
for
your
service
to
the
community
and
I
just
wanted
to
correct
a
few
things
that
we've
talked
about
up
here
so
far.
So
first
we're
talking
about
25,000
voters,
though
that's
the
number
of
registered
voters
that
we
have
in
Palm
Springs.
That's
not
the
number
of
people
who
vote,
and
so
that's
the
issue
is
who's
registering
and
who's.
Actually
voting
and
so
I
know.
As
someone
who
ran
an
election
here,
I
got
about
7,000
votes.
G
A
lot
of
elections
here
are
won
by
3500
votes,
so
that
was
in
our
election
when
people
were
voting
twice.
So
when
we're
talking
about
polling
the
larger
community,
it's
important
to
think
about,
actually,
though,
we
have
a
high
turnout
rate,
how
few
people
are
voting
in
a
popular
in
a
city
with
a
population
of
45
thousand.
G
We
need
a
lot
more
people
to
register
to
vote
and
we
need
people
who
haven't
traditionally
been
voting
or
been
included
in
city
processes
to
feel
like
their
vote
matters,
and
so
I
actually
think
that
one
the
comments
that
people
came
today
were
incredibly
meaningful
and,
and
even
if
there
were
five
people
versus
the
25,
it's
or
40
that
are
here,
that's
really
meaningful
and
powerful
and
I
took
notes
for
everyone's
comments.
Thank
you
for
being
here.
It's
a
big
commitment
to
be
here
for
two
and
a
half
three
hours
tonight.
G
So
thank
you
and
I
actually
think
this.
This
working
group
you've
held
almost
ten
different
community
meetings
or
more
there
I've
been
to
most
of
them.
There
have
been
50
to
a
hundred
different
people.
Let
a
lot
of
those
so
I
actually
do
think
they
have
a
good
sense
of
what
the
community
wants.
Obviously
we're
hearing
from
people
as
well
I
had
written
down
on
the
top
of
my
page.
We
don't
vote
on
civil
rights.
G
Lisa
already
said
that,
but
that's
the
hashtag
for
that
movement,
but
I
would
like
to
see
something
go
to
the
public
in
general
for
public
vote.
However,
this
is
a
specific
civil
rights
issue
and
the
issue
that
we're
being
at
least
accused
of
is
having
racially
polarized
voting,
which
means
minority
voters
cannot
get
the
people
they
prefer
elected
because
they're
outvoted
by
a
white
majority
voter
every
single
time,
and
so
that's
important
to
think
about
in
the
context.
G
I
know:
we've
had
this
conversation
before,
but
that's
really
important
in
an
ideal
world,
if
everyone
were
represented
and
everyone
could
vote
and
participate,
we
put
it
out
to
vote,
but
in
this
situation,
when
we're
being
accused
of
having
minority
voters
being
diluted
their
votes
not
mattering,
we
can't
do
that
here.
It's
really
important
and
we
were
elected
by
the
people
of
Palm
Springs
and
hopefully
we'll
have
more
diverse
people
up
here
in
the
future,
but
we
can
make
that
decision
pursuant
to
CVRA.
So,
thank
you.
I
think
you
covered
that
in
your
report.
G
G
I
know
that
there
are
many
other
cities
in
our
valley
right
now
who
got
demand
letters
and
who
are
fighting
it
then
at
great
cost
to
them,
and
so
maybe
practically
we
didn't
have
a
choice,
but
we
did
and
we've
and
by
our
leadership
in
your
leadership,
really
further
that
and
I
think
represented
Palm
Springs
values
in
our
community.
So
thank
you
for
doing
that.
G
So
I
have
just
a
few
questions.
Your
report
and
I'm
apologize
I'm
just
gonna.
Ask
you
questions
I,
didn't
check
with
you
ahead
of
time.
I
assume
some
of
you
will
be
at
the
meeting
next
week
as
well.
If
we
have
questions
for
you,
then
so
you
can
always
defer
it
to
next
week.
I
saw
your
report
mention
the
cost
of
running
for
council
a
lot,
but
you
didn't
make
and-
and
he
had
some
materials
in
there
and
I
know
you
already
did
so
much
work.
You
gave
us
this.
G
D
We
didn't
get
that
far
into
it.
It
was
in
every
decision
that
we
thought
about,
so
it
it
factored
into
suggesting
that
you
not
do
runoffs.
You
not
do
primaries
because
those
included
costs
and
we
didn't
recommend
if
you
went
if
you
stayed
with
a
citywide
elected
mayor,
doing
a
two-year.
We
didn't
make
her
Commendation
on
that,
because
there
were
cost
factors
we
we
didn't
have
the
time
to
get
into
some
kind
of
campaign,
finance
reform
discussions.
D
We
did
look
at
the
democracy
vouchers,
but
only
to
include
the
material,
but
just
to
say
this
is
something
we're
hopeful
that
the
district
election
process
itself
will
help
reduce
the
costs,
because
television
will
probably
not
be
one
of
the
components
in
a
district
election,
but
we
didn't
we.
It
was
one
of
the
questions
we
didn't
go
that
far
on,
because
we
had
a
range
of
other
things
we
wanted
to
get
to,
but
we
didn't
want
to
forget
it
either.
Thank
you.
F
I'll
add
a
couple
quick
things.
One
is
one
of
the
most
important
lessons
that
you
learn
as
a
law.
Professor
is
the
virtue
of
admitting
when
you
don't
know
things
or
don't
have
expertise,
which
is
most
things
right
and
the
campaign
finance
issue.
In
addition
to
just
a
bandwidth
and
time
issue,
we
just
didn't:
do
ourselves
qualified
to
speak
to
it,
it's
a
phenomenally,
complicated
question,
an
important
one
for
the
city,
but
not
one
that
we
felt
competent
to
talk
about,
but
one
thing
that
we
probably
should
have
done
in
our
report.
F
F
F
You
would
be
imposing
huge
new
barriers
to
this
position,
which
once
again,
would
have
concentrated
and
concentrated
in
it
at
least
the
appearance
of
some
kind
of
greater
political
mandate,
and
so
I
think
both
the
the
issues
relating
to
how
the
position
would
operate
in
practice,
but
also
the
issues
relating
to
the
cost
of
running
and
barriers
to
access
to
the
position
are
both
very
serious.
Thank.
D
G
You
so
maybe
next
year
we'll
try
to
hire
you
back
for
free
to
explore
that
issue,
because
I
know
you
had
an
interesting
conversation
about
that
that
you
know
we
can
move
to
districts
and
I.
Think
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
and
I'm
glad
that
we're
doing
it.
But
we
also
need
to
fix
those
other
barriers
that
prevent
diverse
candidates
from
different
backgrounds
to
run,
to
win
and
then
to
serve
so
I
think
we
have
our
work
cut
out
for
us
and
you've
done
so
much
already.
G
D
D
B
Mr.
mayor
members
of
the
council,
miss
Hall
says
state
law
says
you
have
to
be
a
resident
of
your
district
at
the
time
you
pull
nomination
papers.
That's
the
default
position
there
I'm
not
saying
that
the
city
could
not
do
its
own
version
of
its
own
rule
there.
However,
those
durational
residency
requirements
get
very
constitutionally
tricky.
A
30-day
durational
residency
requirement.
The
cake
courts
have
blessed
that
things
longer
than
that.
We
would
have
to
look
at
in
more
detail.
Thank.
J
You
know
moving
to
a
different
area
of
the
city,
and
so
we
did
talk
about
that
and
if
a
person,
what
happened
to
be
a
renter
and
was
representing
a
district
but
then
moved,
they
would,
unfortunately,
under
state
law
have
to
vacate
their
seat,
which
is
really
unfortunate
because
they
wouldn't
they
wouldn't
reside
in
that
district
anymore.
So
we
did
have
that
conversation
yeah.
G
F
F
But
having
said
all
that,
we
absolutely
did
also
talk
about
concerns
about
the
possibility
of
of
sort
of
exclusionary
coalition,
Zoar
implicit
bias
and-
and
we
think
that's
a
problem,
and
so
we
we
are
not
at
all
I,
think
resistant
to
a
rotation
based
system
so
long
as
it
is
implemented
in
a
way
that
the
public
understands
and
has
buy-in
with,
and
that
doesn't
dissuade
people
from
running.
If
they
just
want
to
be
a
council
member
without
having
to
take
a
turn.
As
mayor.
G
G
Hiring
a
diversity
and
inclusion
consultant
or
someone
who
could
advise
the
city
about
me,
were
so
grateful
for
your
service
to
our
city
for
free,
but
did
you
think
about
ways
that
the
city
could
institutionalize
this
type
of
work,
because
most
companies
now
have
diversity,
inclusion,
consultants,
either
on
staff
or
I,
talked
to
a
number
of
cities,
City
Council
members
and
other
cities
who
have
done
this?
So
do
you
have
any
thoughts
about
that?
So.
J
Our
charge
specifically
asked
for
removing
barriers
to
serve
and
run,
and
also
boards,
income,
increasing
diversity
on
boards
and
commissions,
and
so
in
the
conclusion
of
the
report,
which
I
neglected
to
really
address
in
this
space.
But
in
the
written
conclusion
of
the
report,
we
mentioned
the
city
considering
having
a
department
or
having
a
staff
person
whose
role
this
is
because
boards
and
the
work
of
the
entirety
of
the
report
is
really
addressing
sort
of
the
the
symptoms.
It's
not
addressing
the
root
cause
right
and
the
root
cause.
J
Is
that
there's
no
one
in
the
city
whose
role
it
is
to
focus
on
this?
And
so
so,
if
you
add,
if
you
elevate
the
priority
of
this
on
a
city
level,
you
know
the
city
decides
to
elevate
priorities.
All
the
time
with
regards
to
new
industries
that
are
coming
about,
you
know
is
one
thing
that
comes
along
but
comes
to
mind,
but
if
you
elevate
the
priority
of
that
to
a
city
staff
position,
then
all
of
a
sudden
there
is
more
accountability.
There's
more
visible
discussions
or
audible
discussions
happening
around
this
issue.
J
So
personally,
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
stepping
stone
and
I
think
the
conclusion
of
the
report
really
tried
to
address
that
that
this
is
not.
The
report
is
not
a
band-aid
to
any
of
is
only
a
band-aid
to
this,
and
that
there
is
a
lot
of
opportunities
that
we
didn't
as
a
group
have
a
lot
of
time
to
discuss.
There
are
cities
who
I
think
Seattle,
and
some
of
my
research
has
a
a
person.
J
D
So
we
did
look
at
at
in
the
narrow
purview
that
we
had
of
looking
what
was
happening
in
boards
and
commissions,
and
we
felt
that
the
improvement
there
would
only
really
come
when
that
task
was
assigned
to
somebody
to
either
to
a
commission
and
also
in
one
of
the
staff
departments
and
I
could
say
that
Anthony
wanted
wants
to
do
that.
He
wants
that
role
and
I
think
could
do
it
really
well.
Thank.
G
F
And
I'll
also
just
add,
when
I,
when
we
first
convened
as
a
group
and
and
we
had
our
first
meeting
and
we
started
talking
about
the
outreach
that
we
were
gonna
attempt
to
do.
One
of
the
first
things
that
I
said
was
all
right.
Who
has
the
information
about
the
twenty
or
thirty
community
leaders
that
the
city
regularly
works
with
that?
F
Not
here
tonight
and
of
T
sock
was
to
begin
developing
those
relationships
of
trust
with
those
community
leaders,
a
lot
of
whom
are
here
tonight
and
we
view
the
outreach
work
that
we
did
as
a
beginning.
That's
not
at
all
limited
to
this
particular
exercise,
but
that
is
part
of
what
we
hope
that
the
city
will
build
on,
because
part
of
what
you're
describing
is
not
just
about
infrastructure
within
city
government.
Although
that's
really
important.
F
G
You
and
I
just
have
an
open-ended
question
for
you
that
you
don't
have
to
answer
tonight,
but
if
you
have
other
ideas,
I'm
really
since
you've
done
so
much
work
on
this
you're
laughing,
because
I
keep
assigning
you
more
work.
If
you
have
ideas,
because
I
think
about
this
broadly,
because
we
do
have
a
history
of
discrimination
and
segregation
in
our
city,
and
we
have
a
long
way
to
go
of
regaining
trust
for
a
lot
of
communities-
that's
not
a
secret!
Everyone
knows
that
and
I
think
it's
important
to
address
that.
G
So
we
can
move
forward
and
I
would
wonder
if
you
have
recommendations
of
other
symbolic
actions
that
we
can
take.
You
can
email
me
those
or
we
can
talk
later.
For
example,
someone
in
public
comment
brought
up
the
statue,
that's
in
front
of
City
Hall,
who
does
that
statue
represent?
What
views
do
that?
Does
that
statue
represent
that
represent
our
values?
Is
it
offensive
to
different
communities?
G
So
if
there
are
other
symbolic
actions
that
we
can
take
both
to
you
in
the
community,
I
personally
want
to
hear
those,
because
I
think
that
some
of
this
work
in
coming
together
as
an
entire
community
I
just
have
a
few
really
quick
question
questions
for
staff,
maybe
for
next
time.
So
maybe
we
could
talk
about
it
in
the
meantime,
but
I'm
interested
in
rank
choice,
voting
and
how
that
would
work
with
the
County
Registrar.
G
So
I
won't
put
Anthony
on
the
spot
here,
but
I
would
like
information
from
staff
about,
if
that's
achievable
and
how
that
works
with
the
County
Registrar
and
personally
I.
Don't
know
if
my
councilmembers
are
with
me
here,
but
to
hear
a
recommendation
from
our
staff
and
maybe
even
a
budget
of
the
other
recommendations
that
they've
made
that
we
could
adopt
or
consider
adopting,
because
to
hear
$85,000
would
get
City
Council
up
to
a
living
wage
which
would
make
you
know
middle-income
and
low-income
people
able
to
do
this
job.
G
We
just
need
to
know
the
numbers
on
that
so
that
we
can
adopt
it
and
if
there
are
practical
considerations
from
staff
and
then
I
just
have
one
specific
legal
question
for
my
slate
of
attorneys
here
so
I
read
in
one
of
the
letters
it
said,
the
for
district
system
does
create
a
risk
under
CVRA
and
we
didn't
talk
about
that
in
depth.
So
can
you
explain
what
you
mean
by
that
and
the
level
of
risk
that
we're
facing
if
we
choose
to
move
to
four
districts
with
an
at-large
mayor?
Certainly.
B
Counselor,
the
CVRA
specifically
says
transition
to
districts,
and
you
know
eliminate
at-large
elements
in
the
electoral
system.
A
4+1
doesn't
eliminate
all
out
large
elements.
That
being
said,
the
current
state
is
really
you
know.
Mr.
Shankman
and
various
other
attorneys
who
have
been
sending
demand,
letters
and
filing
legal
actions
are
not
pressing
that
issue.
There
have
been
at
least
four
or
five
cities
I'm
aware
of
that
received
demands
from
mr.
Shankman.
They
converted
to
a
four
plus
one
and
there
they're
moving
on
and
that
that's
been
their
story.
B
That
being
said,
that's
just
mr.
Shankman.
It
doesn't
prevent
somebody
else
from
filing
a
legal
action,
because
you
still
have
an
at-large
element,
substantively
I'm
kind
of
just
processing.
Here,
a
little
bit
substantively.
If
you
went
to
a
four
plus
one,
you
would
still
be
in
a
better
position
than
if
you
just
kept
an
all
out
large
system,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
a
five
district
system
truly
insulates
you
from
further
illegal
action,
because
now
you've
eliminated
all
out
large
elements.
Thank.
I
Mr.
mayor
can
I
ask
just
one
one
issue,
since
this
is
my
second
time
going
through
this
process,
the
community
often
comes
up
with
some
clever
ideas,
like
we
heard
tonight,
about
a
combination
of
districts
and
in
at-large
mayor
system
like
a
primary
that's
district
based
within
an
at-large
general
election.
Could
the
attorneys
address
some
of
those
concepts.
B
C
Can't
be
a
little
bit
pregnant
Anthony,
a
little
at-large
makes
you
at-large
under
the
statutory
definition
in
the
CVRA
and
that's
really
the
potential
vulnerability.
Mr.
priests
comments
are
very
apropos.
The
four
plus
one
is
completely
viable.
There's
no
reason
to
presume
that
the
would
be
legal
risk,
but
there
is
legal
risk.
It's
not
it's,
not
the
the
cloak
that
you
wrap
yourself
in.
If
you
go
to
the
five
districts.