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From YouTube: Measure J Commission | May 18 2023
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Regular Meeting of the Measure J Oversight Commission, held May 18th, 2023
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Dna's
or
absentions
great
next,
we
have
public
comment.
This
time
has
been
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
measure,
J
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
add
items
of
general
interest
within
the
general
subjects
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
commission.
Although
the
commissioner,
the
commission,
values
your
comments
pursuant
to
the
brown
act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
that
are
not
posted
that
are
not
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
are
assigned
for
each
speaker,
but
I
think
we
just
have
staff
right
Evelyn.
Do
we
have
anyone.
E
Okay
and
just
a
reminder,
we
did
have
I
think
at
least
one
last
time,
so
let's
just
kind
of
keep
that
in
mind
and
the
last
two
meetings
that
have
all
been
tied
to
this
conversation.
So
blocking
that
just
a
brief
comments
for
me,
I'm
really
looking
forward
to
Suzanne
your
comments
and
presentation
today
on
how
we
can
kind
of
be
thinking
about
some
of
these
projects.
E
But
I
just
really
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
staff
who
have
kind
of
been
part
of
this
conversation
with
us
these
last
few
months
and
the
commission
who
you
know
I,
feel
like
we're
getting
better
at
this
every
year
and
getting
quicker
and
stricter
about
it.
So
that
takes
us
to
new
business,
which
is
our
financing
strategies
with
Suzanne
Harrell
Harrell.
B
Chair
so
I,
don't
appreciate
that
yeah
Suzanne
is,
is
the
city's
financial
advisor.
She
advises
the
city,
which
means
she
advises
the
city
on
all
debt
related
matters.
She
does
most
everything
all
a
lot
of
reporting
related
to
the
debt,
so
she
has
a
lot
for
the
city
she's
been
with
us
for
I.
Think
we
decided
30
years
right,
Suzanne.
D
B
A
A
A
We're
going
to
talk
about
the
use
of
municipal
bonds,
financing
costs
associated
with
bonds,
how
measure
J
has
contributed
to
the
downtown
revitalization,
Project
funding
and
some
future
financing
options
so
says,
use
you
know
to
fund
their
CIP
and
other
projects
that
are
important
for
economic
growth
and
quality
of
life.
The
city
really
has
three
options
to
fund
that
one
is
pay
as
you
go,
which
you
know.
Measure
J
has
contributed
a
lot
of
pay-as-you-go
money
towards
streets,
particularly
and
and
other
capital
projects
they
can.
A
So
we
get
to
kind
of
some
of
the
financing
options,
we're
going
to
kind
of
focus
on
those
two,
so
there's
Finance
the
financing
costs.
Interest
rates
are
the
most
significant
cost
factor
and
I
just
put
this
up,
because
I
thought,
maybe
you
would
be
interested
to
see
where
tax
exempt
Municipal
Bond
rates
are
right.
Now
the
city
has
a
double
a
credit
rating
for
its
general
fund
lease
obligations,
and
so
these
are
kind
of
these
are
pretty
current
interest
rates.
A
The
city
doesn't
really
have
any
control
over
these
interest
rates.
The
only
thing
they
can
do
is
kind
of
you
know,
extend
the
maturity
or
shorten
the
maturity.
To
kind
of
you
know
have
any
sort
of
impact
on
the
interest
rate,
and
you
can
see
that
if
we
bar
for
10
years,
the
rate's
255
and
if
they
borrow
for
30
years,
the
rates
403.
A
mm-hmm
so
there's
other
financing
costs
associated
with
bonds
and
the
most
significant
one
of
those
is
capitalized
interests
during
the
construction
period.
So
both
of
these
projects
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
the
library
and
the
fire
station
are
both
construction
projects
under
state
law.
The
city
isn't
permitted
to
make
payments
on
the
bonds
during
the
construction.
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A
Much
more,
you
know
it's
much
more
significant
than
the
cost
of
influence,
which
are
you
know
the
professionals
involved
in
actually
doing
the
financing,
which
is
your
bond
counsel,
your
Municipal
advisor
and
your
underwriter.
So
capitalized
interest
is
something
that
we
really
pay
a
lot
of
attention
to
on
construction
projects.
A
And
so
I
don't
know
if
everybody's
been
around
and
knows
about
the
history
of
measure
J
back
when
it
was
first
approved
by
the
voters.
The
city
began,
receiving
the
sales
tax
in
April
2012.
in
June
2012.
The
city
issued
about
45
million
dollars
of
bonds
to
pay
for
some
of
the
to
to
acquire
the
parking
structures
downtown
as
well
as
do
some
General
public
improvements
in
the
downtown
area.
A
So
The
Debt
Service,
is
actually
paid
on
those
bonds
paid
by
the
city's
general
fund.
But
it's
allocated
to
the
measure
J
fund.
So
you
see
that
payment
in
your
in
the
budget
every
year,
and
originally
it
was
three
million
100
183
000
annually
through
20
34.35,
and
there
was
a
reserve
but
established
to
set
to
offset
that
final
year.
A
Step
service,
so
Bonds
were
refinanced
in
April
2021
and
we
kind
of
restructured,
The
Debt
Service
in
the
early
years,
because
you
may
remember
that
during
covid
measure,
J
actually
made
some
significant
contributions
to
the
general
fund
operations.
And
so
we
thought
when
we
re-structured
this,
we
would
kind
of
reduced.
A
We
would
take
all
the
savings
from
this
refinancing
and
reduce
The
Debt
Service
in
the
early
years,
so
you
really
got
about
4.2
million
dollars
of
debt
service
savings
between
20,
21
and
2022
kind
of
to
help
offset
the
the
amount
of
measure
J
funding
that
went
to
the
general
fund
during
that
covid
pandemic
period
and
then
so
again.
Kind
of
the
structure
was
to
take
all
those
savings
up
front
to
kind
of
replenish
measure
J
and
then
the
annual
Debt
Service
thereafter
was
was
very
you
know.
A
Maybe
fifty
thousand
dollar
savings
for
the
rest
of
the
time,
but
we
did
shorten
the
maturity
by
one
year
because
we
didn't
need
to
have
a
reserve
fund
for
this
refinancing
so
where
the
original
bonds
went
out
to
2035,
but
the
last
payment
would
have
been
paid
from
this
Reserve.
So
2034
would
be
the
final
payment
we
structured
the
refinancing.
To
be
the
same
thing.
We
didn't
extend
the
maturity,
so
the
final
payment
is
in
2034..
A
So
thank
you
for
bearing
with
me
for
that
little
history
lesson
interesting
yeah.
So
this
is
really
the
existing
Debt
Service,
that's
paid
by
the
general
fund.
You
can
see
on
the
left,
there's
about
13
a
little
over
13
million
dollars
a
year
in
debt
service.
It
kind
of
decreases
over
time.
Where
and
the
big
items
are,
the
measure
J
ends
up
being
paid
off
in
2034,
and
then
you
see
there's
a
some
other
financings
and
finally
the
conventions.
A
The
city
had
some
convention
center
bonds
that
get
paid
off
in
2036..
You
can
see
the
contribution
that
measure
J
is
making
so
we're
looking
at
a
net
general
fund
cost
for
its
existing
debt
of
about
10
million
dollars
declining
over
time,
and
so
when
the
city
is
getting
ready
to
issue
its
bonds.
These
numbers
are
kind
of
really
important
to
the
city
because
they
impact
their.
A
A
So
before
the
example
I
used,
50
million
dollars
for
the
project
fund
assumed
a
two-year
Construction
so
and
again,
we'll
have
like
two
and
a
half
years
of
capitalized
interest,
but
instead
of
borrowing
like
I
said,
we
can
add
it
to
the
bond
size
and
borrow
it
in
this
scenario.
I've
said:
well,
you
know
what
in
lieu
of
borrowing?
Let's
take
you
know:
existing
money
from
measure
J
fund
balance
and
set
it
aside
to
pay
that
interest
during
the
construction
used
a
30-year
maturity
and
then
I
have
measure.
A
J
contributes
the
full
amount
of
The
Debt
Service
on
that
until
the
convention
center
debt
is
paid
and
then
because
then
the
city
will
pick
up
start
to
pick
up.
The
Debt
Service
after
that,
and
the
second
series
would
be
for
the
library
Improvement,
so
I
assumed
a
20
million
dollar
project
fund
again
a
two-year
construction,
but
instead
of
measure
J
contributing
to
the
capitalized
interest,
we're
going
to
add
that
to
the
borrowing,
also
a
30-year
maturity
and
in
this
instance,
I
said
well.
A
A
A
The
funding
goes
away
and
then
the
general
fund
picks
up
the
debt
service
at
that
point
and
it's
approximately
four
and
a
half
million
dollars
a
year.
So
again,
just
one
of
the
you
know
one
scenario
I
came
up
with
and
obviously,
as
you
in
the
city,
you
know
talk
about
how
much
measure
J
would
contribute
to
those
projects.
You
know
this
will
change
and
and
be
modified
over
time.
You
know
looking
at,
should
we
borrow
capitalize
interest?
A
Should
we
not
borrow
capitalized
interests
that
sort
of
thing,
but
I
thought
it'd
just
be
interesting,
for
you
guys
to
take
a
look
at.
You
know
the
things
that
we
look
at
when
we're
trying
to
structure,
bonds
and
figure
out
how
those
bonds
are
going
to
be
paid
so
and
I
didn't
want
to
run
too
many
different
scenarios.
This
is
just
one
scenario
that
I
thought
would
be
interesting
for
you
to
see.
A
E
G
Is
it
realistic
that
City
staff,
in
parallel
with
the
financing
and
the
underwriting
process,
the
staff
also
have
a
parallel
mission
of
negotiating
pre-negotiating
construction
contracts
that
will
be
able
that
will
be
literally
executionable
once
the
underwriting
and
the
issuance
is
complete
and
the
clock
starts
on
the
interest.
The
pre-funded
interest
carry.
A
Right,
so
that's
a
really
great
question,
so
we
try
to
dovetail
those
two
processes.
So
we've
got
the
bonds.
You
know
you're
going
forward
on
the
bonds
and
you
need
to
know
what
your
construction
costs
are,
so
that
you
know
you've
borrowed
enough
money
right
and
the
city
can't
really
let
the
Construction
contract
until
they
have
the
funding
right,
and
so
it's
kind
of
a
dance
to
get.
A
So
that's
it
gets
a
little
complicated,
but
you
know
that's,
that's
the
idea,
one
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
borrow
too
soon,
because
you
know
capitalized
interest
is
expensive
and
if
you
borrow
six
months
before
you're,
actually
gonna
bid.
You're
gonna
have
to
borrow
another
six
months
of
interest.
You
know
in
advance
and
the
other,
is
you
just
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
what
the
bid
is,
and
you
want
to
move
forward
with
the
project
that
it's
not
too
expensive
and
you
don't
need
to
redesign
it
somehow
and
that.
J
H
H
A
A
F
A
B
They're
they're
significant
interest
in
extending
this
for
sure,
and
you
know
well,
we
had
haven't
talked
internally
about
it.
Yet
just
there
is
significant
interest
and
I'm
sure
that
it's
it's
you
know
there
will
be
a
plan
in
place
to
how
to
do
that.
Like
you
said,
commissioner
Marshall,
hopefully
sooner
rather
than
later,
thank.
H
E
F
E
Or
this
one,
but
no
that
yeah
eight
see
do
we
know
what
is
they're
actually
going
like?
Can
you
talk
to
me
a
little
bit
about
these
these
scenarios
and
also
like
what
Council,
like
I'm,
struggling
a
little
bit
to
like
prioritize
or
strategize?
How
we
should
be
thinking
about
this,
like
what's
the
timeline
of
kind
of
deciding
some
of
these
financing
options
like?
Are
we
going
to
know
in
the
next
year
like
how
aggressive
they
want
to
be
with
it?
A
A
B
So
I,
so
the
library
project
is
a
little
bit
farther
ahead
than
the
fire
station
project,
because
the
library
is
already
prepared
to
go
out
for
RFP
to
figure
out
the
full
scope
of
the
renovation
of
the
library
and
so
they're
they're
prepared
and
ready
to
do
that
very
soon.
The
fire
station
hasn't
got
there
yet
so
they
are
beginning
to
have
talks
about
the
scope
of
an
RFP.
B
That's
probably
going
to
happen
soon
and
and
Suzanne's
right
it'll
be
a
little
bit
more
extensive
than
what
the
library
is
going
to
undertake,
because
there
is
that
you
know
location
element
of
it
and
where
should
it
be
put
and-
and
you
know
so-
I
think
the
study
at
the
scope
of
the
study
has
to
Encompass
all
of
that,
including
the
construction
of
the
design
of
the
building.
So
the
fire
station,
the
fire
chief
new
chief,
that
just
came
aboard
Paul,
he
is
he's
very
aware
of.
A
E
Because
I
think
for
the
commissioner
constantly
at
attention
in
terms
of
wanting
to
use
as
much
measure
J
funds
for
projects
that
are
ready
to
go
right,
but
then
at
the
same
time
preparing
appropriately
so
for
big
projects
that
are
coming
down
the
pipeline
and
being
ready
for
that
when
they
come
up.
But
we
hate
just
like
holding
on
to
projects
that
aren't
ready
to
to
launch
right,
and
so
there's
kind
of
always
that
that
tension.
So
but
I
really
appreciate
this
and
I.
E
A
B
Just
one
quick
thing
to
point
out
is
you
know
the
commission
setting
aside
funds
for
the
construction
of
the
fire
station.
Those
funds
probably
go
away,
go
back
to
fund
balance.
If
this
comes
into
play
and
then
measure
J
funds
are
used
to
pay
the
debt
service
and
and
fiscal
year
is
26
and
27.
Those
set-aside
funds
are
about
nine
million
dollars
each
so
that
would
go
away
and
The
Debt
Service
would
replace
it
I
believe.
That's
how
I
have
it
in
my
head
that
it
would
work
yeah.
A
And
I
think
again
remember
at
the
very
beginning
we
talked
about
you
know
long-term
capital
projects.
You
know
that's
kind
of
where
it's
appropriate
to
do
Bond
funding
and
since
measure
J
is
going
away.
You
know
I,
not
you
know,
I,
think
everybody's
hopeful
that
it
can
be
extended,
but
you
know
just
as
we
sit
here
today.
A
It's
going
away,
you
know,
and
it
would
be
great
to
be
able
to
use
the
that
money
or
pay
go
projects
or
you
know,
accumulated
for
other
projects
and
do
these
kind
of
like
streets
and
do
these
long-term
projects
with
bonds.
I
think
that's
a
it's!
It's
going
to
be
a
good
cash
flow
option
for
you,
it'll
give
you
you
know
you'll,
be
able
to
use
a
lot
more
of
your
annual
measure.
E
E
A
H
E
C
J
B
B
So
what
yeah?
Let
me
so,
let's
do
that,
let's
bring
genie
in
and
then
I'll
figure
this
out,
while
she's
talking
that
I
want
to
do
that
anyway.
First,
so
I
know
that
we
already
have
about
seven
million
dollars
in
the
library
set
aside.
That's
to
help
with
the
infrastructure
improvements.
The
ask
of
the
library
is
to
put
in
the
budget
for
fiscal
year,
25
the
a
million
dollars
so
that
the
library
can
purchase
some
Furniture.
K
Sure
I'll
just
explain
a
little
bit
about
the
the
million
dollars
that
I'm
asking
for
our
grant
that
we
received
from
the
California
State
library
is
and
Chris.
You
are
sharing
your
screen.
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
that
yeah
your
desktop,
oh
okay,
we
are,
we
received
6.5
million
dollars
from
the
California
State
library
and
the
city
agreed
to
match
that,
and
we
have
calculated
about
13
million
dollars
in
infrastructure,
repairs
and
upgrades
that
need
to
be
done.
K
But
I
know
that
for
sure
we're
going
to
need
Furniture
fixtures
and
equipment
and
I
think
that
will
help
the
foundation
go
out
and
fundraise
when
they
say
look,
the
city
is
committed.
The
six
and
a
half
matching
plus
another
million,
are
Library.
Board
of
Trustees
has
about
a
million
dollars.
Our
friends
of
the
library
have
about
a
million
dollars,
so
all
of
these
organizations,
working
together,
can
can
raise
up
this
project
and
and
get
us
plus.
K
B
J
L
Yeah
so
Genie
first
state
that
I
think
you've
got
our
support
as
far
as
down
the
road.
Looking
at
the
library,
you
know,
we
really
are
kind
of
I
think
looking
to
streamline
measure
J
funds.
That's
all
we
were
talking
about
the
library.
The
police
station
falls
under
Public
Safety
Parks
streets
and
those
are
kind
of
the
bulk
areas
that
I
think
we
want
to
concentrate
in
as
we
move
forward.
L
The
question
I
have
for
this
million
dollars.
I
feel
like
is
this
buying
furniture
before
we
remodel
the
house
I'm
just
concerned
like
I,
don't
know
what
the
timeline
is
going
to
be,
hopefully
sooner
than
later,
as
far
as
redoing
the
library,
but
are
we
are
these
immediate
needs
like
well?
We
need
a
lot
of
this
now
because
it's
falling
apart
or
can
the
library
hold
off
with
some
of
this
ffne?
L
You
know,
with
the
redo
of
the
library
they're
going
to
come
in
with
a
whole
Interiors
package
and
a
look
and
a
feel
and
what
we
purchased
today
may
not
fit
in
for
the
finished
product
that
could
be
five
seven
years
from
now.
So
again,
I'm
just
thinking
are
we
putting
the
cart
for
the
horse,
or
are
these
like
very
immediate
needs
that
we
have
shelves
that
are
broken?
We
have
chairs
that
are
broken.
We
need.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
K
Excellent
question
and
it
would
not
be
for
now
it
would
be
for
the
actual
renovation.
It's
just
to
add
to
that
initial.
The
initial
seven
million
dollars
that
set
aside
to
just
say
we
know
we.
We
know
we
need
to
save
ahead
and
I
think
that
this
was
something
that
was
suggested
that
we
could.
We
could
just
we
know
we're
going
to
need
about
a
million
and-
and
that's
just
based
on,
like
I
said
my
my
experience.
Renovating
the
Palm
Desert
Library.
K
F
G
K
I'm
guessing
it
would
come
from
the
the
bonding
the
the
Debt
Service
with
Suzanne
I
know,
like
I,
said
this.
This
Project's
going
to
take
all
of
the
community
groups
to
work
together,
all
the
other,
the
money
that
is
with
the
trust
fund
and
the
friends
it's
going
to
go
towards
the
project
in
some
way.
K
You
know
it's
all
just
going
to
go
into
a
big
pool
of
money
and
we're
we're
hoping
that
the
library
foundation
will
be
able
to
work
on
naming
rights
and
and
do
some
serious
Capital
campaign
fundraising
to
to
work
on
that.
So
it's
it's
really
just
just
an
additional
pledge
to
to
bolster
up
the
amount
that
the
city's
committing
to.
B
G
K
K
The
answer
is
no,
because
we
don't
even
know
how
much
it's
going
to
cost
at
this
point,
we're
working
on
that
getting
the
architect
to
come
in
and
work
with
us
on
developing
the
program
as
designing
the
building,
the
renovation
and
working
with
the
grant
to
make
sure
that
this
all
gets
done
by
the
way
the
grant
deadline.
The
hard
deadline
on
that
is
March
of
2026.
So
we
do.
We
do
need
to
get
busy
on
this
project
because
things
take
forever.
You
know
with
construction
and.
K
Is
the
infrastructure
renovation
part
completed?
Yes,
so
that
part
has
to
be
finished.
It
doesn't
mean
that
carpet
has
to
be
in
place
and
painting
has
to
be
done,
but
all
of
the
the
fire
Life
Safety
Ada
Plumbing
electrical
HVAC,
new
roof
safety,
skylights
seismic.
All
of
those
things
have
to
be
done
by
March
of
2026.
I
I'm
gonna
step
in
here
real
quick
for
sort
of
a
reality
check
right,
we've
gone
after
grants
and
time
it
again.
We
match
the
grants
and
when
we
get
into
a
project
the
cost
is
double
so
and
just
preparing
the
the
measure
J
that
if
we
get
this
project
underway
which
which
this
26
deadline
is,
is
coming
right.
I
More
than
likely,
if
we
don't
have
the
bond
issuance
Set,
there's
gonna,
someone's
gonna
have
to
pay
more
money
to
get
this
project
just
completed
with
the
grant
side
of
things
so
I
Envision,
maybe
asking
the
measure
gate
to
fund
additional,
provide
additional
funding
just
to
complete
what
the
grant
is
supporting.
So
that's
been
my
experience
and
it's
happened
time
and
again,
where
you
know
that's.
The
14
million
is
probably
not
going
to
be
enough.
J
J
Yeah
Jeannie,
thank
you
for
being
with
us.
I
hope,
you're
having
a
good
time
with
family
I
was
a
bit
startled
when
this
came
through
last
meeting
for
the
kinds
of
items
that
you're
asking
for
right
now.
I
am
certainly
far
out
of
the
loop,
but
it
is
in
my
mind
that
that
was
a
big
hit
that
the
friends
of
the
library
were
going
to
do
for
this
project
and
I
personally
think
you're
just
a
little
bit
early
to
ask
for
those
kinds
of
things.
J
The
library
will
always
have
the
backing
of
the
city
and
of
major
J.
As
long
as
we
exist,
I
do
think.
I
would
like
to
see
a
lot
more
from
the
foundation
in
reality,
you're
competing
with
all
kinds
of
people
in
the
city
asking
for
money
and
having
gone
down
this
road
with
you.
A
couple
of
times,
I
really
want
to
see
the
project
started.
I
want
to
see
that
first
truck,
pull
up
or
whatever
it's
going
to
be,
and
the
reality
of
getting
this
thing
together
would
make
me
much
more
comfortable.
J
If
it's
going
to
be
earmarked
for
the
things
you
said,
I
agree
totally
with
Joelle
everything
that
goes
out
to
us
comes
back
in
a
year
and
asks
for
a
ton,
more
money
and
we're
we've
already
worked
hard.
Mr
Mooney
has
tried
to
fix
the
budget,
so
we're
not
going
to
be
caught
so
without
correct
funding.
He's
you
know
worked
hard
to
bring
us
more
in
reality
with
costs
today.
So
those
are
my
comments
to
you.
K
You
you
were
asking
if
they
did
make
a
commitment.
Yes,
they
actually
pledged
a
million
dollars
themselves
and
they
pledged
a
half
a
million
for
the
for
the
foundation
to
to
use,
if
necessary,
to
help
with
their
fundraising.
So
the
trustees
pledged
a
million
and
what
is
it
earmarked
for
for
the
library
renovation,
nothing
specifically
listed,
but
and
that's
kind
of
what
this
is
too.
K
It's
all
going
to
go
into
a
giant
pot
and
it
could
go
into
the
cost
overruns
which
Joel's
right
projects
don't
often
cost
what
we
think
they're
going
to
cost,
and
it's
been
a
year
since
we
asked
I
worked
with
Don
yurino
in
engineering
to
come
up
with
the
price
estimates,
but
that
was
a
year
ago,
and
so
things
have
gone
up
in
price.
So
he's
absolutely
right,
and
if
you
want
to
name
it
something
different
and
say
it's
just
a
a
pledge
for
the
library
project,
you
could
do
that.
K
L
So
I
guess
I'm
getting
a
little
confused
now
on
this,
because
I
feel
like
we're
going
to
be
funding
a
lot
of
this
project
anyway,
like
isn't
I
mean
our
whole
presentation
on
on
the
whole
Bond
measures.
Is
that
we're
going
to
pay
the
debt
service?
We're
going
to
I
feel
like
we're
going
to
be
treating
the
library
the
way
we
treat
the
downtown?
L
You
know
they
can
say,
measure
J
and
are
both
behind
this.
Maybe
we
can
come
up
with
more
of
a
figure
down
the
road.
What
measure
J
is
going
to
be
contributing,
but
that
was
kind
of
our
thinking
was
that
this
was
going
to
become
another
line
item
same
with
the
fire
station
eventually,
and
once
this
gets
moving
we're
here
to
like
get
this,
you.
B
L
Helps
us
get
a
shovel
in
the
ground.
You
know,
maybe
that's
something
to
consider,
but
other
than
that
you
know
we're
supportive
of
this
project.
We're
going
to
be
paying
for
some
of
the
debt
service
on
this
I
mean
this
is
what
measure
J's
designed
for
so
I
guess:
I'm,
just
a
little
confused
about
this
million
dollar
talk
because
it's
all
going
to
go
like
Genie
said
in
the
same
pot,
so
I
I
feel
like
it's
just
you're
publicizing
basically
measure
J
is
behind
this
project
and
they're
going
to
be
supporting
it.
G
G
The
price
will
be
what
the
price
is
and
it
will
be
the
Top
If,
not
one
of
the
top
lines,
and
then
we
work
with
the
remainder
in
the
future
and
that's
a
different
perspective
than
I
have,
which
is
that
the
city
overall
will
decide
the
degree
the
degree
of
support
for
the
project
that
already,
of
course,
there
is
support
for
the
project,
but
Council
will
describe.
Will
this
will
decide
the
extent
of
that
city-wide
support
measure
J
is
either
the
dominant
portion
of
that
support
or
a
particular
amount
of
support.
E
It's
it
sounds
like
there's
a
general
level
of
support
for
additional
the
library
has
our
support,
but
specifically
for
ffne.
Maybe
it
doesn't
quite
make
sense
with
that
specific
asterisks,
but
and
I'll
defer
to
my
to
my
fellow
Commissioners.
But
if
we
were
to
say
we,
you
know
we
want
to
at
minimum
put
an
additional
million
dollars.
If
we
have
it
and
Chris,
you
can
confirm
that
to
the
library
overall
I
think
who
would
be
fine
with
that,
but
you
will
think.
J
F
K
This
next
fiscal
year,
which
is
the
budget
year,
you're
talking
about
work
with
them
to
come
up
with
the
design,
and
that
is
I
believe
that
that
having
this
additional
pledge
would
really
help
with
the
fundraisers
to
say,
look
the
city
put
in
this
extra
million.
We
can.
We
can
come
up
with
the
rest
and
they're
going
to
come
up
with
a
price
tag.
I
think
this
year.
You
know
in
this
next
12
months,
they're,
we're
gonna,
know
some
real
good
ballpark
figures
or
maybe
exact
figures.
F
B
Correct
if
we
decided
to
move
forward
with
issuing
debt
with
whatever
the
difference
between
the
project
cost
and
what's
raised,
the
million
dollars
would
probably
be
pulled
back
because
measure
J
would
be
funding
The,
Debt
Service
at
that
point.
So
this
is
like
you
said,
commissioner,
gazan
it's
kind
of
a
pledge
of
a
million,
and
if
we
raised
30
million
dollars
to
complete
it,
the
million
dollars
would
be
spent.
If
we
decided
to.
G
B
I
so
I'll
let
Joelle
talk
to
that,
but
I
I
believe
that
we're
going
to
try
to
do
a
phased
approach
to
this.
So
we're
going
to
try
to
do
those
infrastructure
repairs
in
a
phase
one
so
I
think
Joel
has
that
targeted
for
25
to
use
to
Grant
funds.
So
we
can
make
sure
we
use
the
grant
funds
by
the
time,
so
they
don't
expire
and
then
the
Metro
J
Commission
of
the
seven
million
million
that
we've
set
aside
to
match
those
Grant
funds.
B
I
Yeah,
so
the
soq
at
Gene
stated
is
being
reviewed
right
now.
If
you
go
through
a
timeline
right,
we
review,
we
probably
will
award
a
contract
in
July,
maybe
right.
If
everything
works
out,
then
we
get
them
on
board.
We
maybe
kick
the
project
off
in
August
September
and
then
from
there.
You
know,
if
you
calculate
a
whole
year
for
Design
Services,
just
for
the
retrofit
itself,
we
probably
will
be
under
construction
in
25..
I
K
Yes,
I
wanted
to
say
that
our
grant
is.
We
are
required
by
the
grant
to
spend
the
money,
the
grant
money
and
the
city's
money
hand
in
hand,
and
it
does
cover
design
service
for
the
renovation,
so
the
architect,
their
their
fees,
partially
are
included
in
the
grant.
So
we
will
have
to
spend
some
of
that
money.
This
the
fiscal
year,
23
24.
J
I
So
the
pre-building
is
is
going
to
be
considered
part
of
the
library
project.
It's
not
part
of
the
grant
money
it'll
be
part
of
whatever
we
do
issue
Debt
Service,
for
it's
going
to
go
concurrently,
we're
not
going
to
finish
it
before
the
library.
So
it's
it's
essentially
becomes
one
and
the
same
right
that
for
me,
that's
the
only
way
to
consider
the
two
buildings
they're
one
project
and
they're
all
they're
going
to
be
finished
at
the
same
time,
except
for
the
renovation
has
to
be
completed
sooner
right.
K
C
C
C
E
F
H
I
I'll
clarify
what
I
would
say
is
the
parade
building
can't
get
in
front
of
the
renovation
right.
The
renovation
is
more
important
the
retrofit,
but
because,
due
to
the
nature
of
what
needs
to
be
done
to
the
brave
building,
they're,
probably
going
to
go
concurrently
right
because
they're
going
to
do
structural,
red
truck
biddy,
picksing
and
they're
going
to
have
the
same
trade
in
in
and
around
the
area,
so
they
may
happen
concurrently.
What
I'm
just
saying
is
that
I
won't
sacrifice
the
structural
retrofitting
of
the
library
for
the
parade.
I
H
E
Well,
I
think
what
Joel's
saying
is
that
the
frey
building
has
renovation
requirements
they're
going
to
be
very
similar
to
the
library
and
for
efficiency
sakes,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
overlap
in
that
work
happening
at
the
same
time,
but
if
there
is
anything
that
is
delaying
the
retrofit
of
the
main
library
building,
that
is
the
priority.
So
there
is
money
to
be
saved
and
time
to
be
saved
by
doing
them
together.
But
with
push
comes
to
shove,
the
retrofit
of
the
library
building
itself
has
to
come.
First
is
that
Rachel.
E
B
H
E
H
F
I
Well,
do
you
here's
the
reality
of
it
and
the
way
I've
been
trying
to
describe
it
and
we
have
them
separated
because
they're
two
buildings
I
see
it
as
one
project
with
two
line
items:
two
different
sources
where
I'm
gonna
be
grabbing
money.
If
you
move
the
money
from
the
JC
Pride
up
to
the
main
library,
it
doesn't
mean
anything
to
me:
I'm
still
going
to
use
the
money
exactly
the
same
way.
So,
however,
the
commission
feels
better
programming.
I
L
So
for
commissioner
Marshall
I
think
and
I
don't
know
if
you,
if
you
caught
it
with
Joel
it,
these
projects
will
happen
concurrently,
like
if
you
have
a
plumber
on
site,
they
can
work
on
both
buildings.
At
the
same
time,
you
have
a
plumbing
company
they're
going
to
do
both
buildings
and
there's
cost
savings
and
using
all
those
contractors
so
think
of
it
as
you're
redoing,
your
house
and
you're
also
doing
the
house
next
door
to
you
at
the
exact
same
time.
L
If
you
delay
the
house
next
door,
then
you're
going
to
pay
more
for
all
those
same
trades
to
come
back
a
year
later
to
do
the
house
next
door,
so
I
think
I
think
for
JC
front.
We
should
just
leave
that
be.
This
is
simply
a
question
of
the
1
million,
because
it's
all
going
to
like
Joel
said
it's
all
going
to
happen
together,
considered
one
project
for
the
most
part
they're
on
the
same
property.
H
H
L
G
G
G
F
B
F
I
Are
the
two
years
are
the
budget
that
Chris
Mooney
is
presenting
before
you
now
I
have
two
years
that
are
real
in
a
five-year
budget
and
the
three
are
you
know
what
I
project
in
the
future
right
before
it
was
just
the
first
year
that
was
real.
Now
it's
two
years
that
are
real
and
now
I'm,
just
projecting
so
you're.
If
you're
talking
for
me
it's
year
three,
if
we
move
this
million
to
year,
three
I
can
carry
it
in
my
five
year
CIP,
but
it
will
not
be
not
be
real
money
in
this
budget.
I
G
G
B
G
B
F
E
E
H
C
C
B
E
Yeah,
let's,
let's
save
our
time
for
the
convention
center
and
the
downtown
maintenance,
so
first
the
convention
center
projects
we
did
hear
we
had
a
public
comment.
Last
week
around
Professor
J
funds,
probably
shouldn't
be
going
to
a
revenue
generating
site,
and
those
are
big
comments
that
have
been
said
before.
E
H
E
All
right
so
that
that's
one
Chris
I
think
the
other
thing
that
we
wanted
to
have
a
sense
of
discussion
on
or
as
robust
as
we
can
in.
The
next
few
minutes
was
the
downtown
maintenance.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
Chris.
Thank
you
for
looking
it
up.
I
know
this
is
like,
before
your
time
and
I'm
sure
lots
of
memos
and
staff
reports
to
read
to
try
to
find
it,
but.
A
E
Time
around
it
being
used
for
a
lot
of
the
Allied
like
security
contract
right
at
multiple
places,
particularly
downtown.
We
need
to
decide
one
if
we
want
to
include
it.
If
we
want
to
ask
Council
that
it
gets
taken
out
and
is
paid
for
by
General
funds
or
how
you
know,
what
is
our
recommendation
now
that
we
know
more
about
this
line?
Item
I'll.
B
B
If
we
choose
to
remove
this
today,
that
means
I
gotta
find
six
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
in
the
general
fund
to
pay
for
this,
which
I'm
not
sure
it's
there
right
now,
I'm
sure
we'll
be
able
to
find
something
somewhere.
I
would
recommend
a
phased
out
approach
of
some
sort
that
so
that
we
don't
have
to
absorb
all
of
this
in
the
general
fund
in
one
year
that
maybe
we
support
the
650
this
year
or
350
for
something
and
then
phase
it
out
completely
next
year.
B
I
Right
and
I
think
just
I'll
step
in
a
little
bit
Chris
we
will
probably
have
to
present.
The
very
first
fact
is
that
the
council
already
approved
this
money
for
that
use
right,
so
I,
don't
know
if
they
didn't.
You
know
check
in
with
measure
J,
but
I
think
they've
already
the
very
first.
The
way
we're
going
to
introduce
it
is
the
council
already
approved
this
measure.
J
doesn't
feel
that
it's
appropriate
use
now
and
they
get
to
vote
on
it
at
that
time.
Right
and.
B
E
B
B
B
L
L
Well,
they
added
that
verbiage
it
was,
it
was,
it
was
only
said,
downtown
maintenance,
that's
what
made
it
kind
of
sneaky,
because
we
thought
it
was
Street
clean.
We
were
told
a
long
time
ago.
It
was
for
street
cleaning
electricity
for
street
fair
and
signage
and
Landscaping
it
had
no.
This
has
this
line
item
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
downtown
park.
L
G
B
F
L
Little
warm
and
fuzzy
when
I
look
at
your
research,
you
know
what
assigns
mean
Landscaping,
18,
000
janitorial.
We
shouldn't
be
paying
janitorial,
that's
just
the
cost
of
doing
business.
Downtown!
That's
a
city
item
electric!
You
know:
I
have
a
I
have
a
little
hard
time
with.
Electric
security
is
a
big
nut
which
makes
absolutely
zero
sense
and
then
we're
paying
for
maintenance
on
an
elevator.
Wherever
that
elevator
is
again
that
to
me
is
a
city,
operational
budget.
It's
not
measure
J!
So.
B
L
The
end
of
the
day,
I'm
definitely
off
for
phasing
out.
We
don't
have
to
rip
off
the
Band-Aid
all
at
once,
but
I
definitely
would
do
a
smaller
figure
for
the
next
fiscal
year
and
if
they
want
to
keep
this
as
a
line
item
for
maybe
something
landscape,
you
know
landscape
related
that
keeps
downtown
pretty
that
you
know
benefits
both
the
residents
and
tourists
I'm
all
for
it,
but
the
rest
of
it.
It
has
to
find
its
way
into
the
general
budget
period.
E
Yeah
I
was
also
under
the
impression
that
it
was
downtown
maintenance,
not
just
the
park
but
just
kind
of
more
broadly
maintenance
downtown
in
the
Landscaping
downtown
and
then,
but
that
became
a
bigger
need,
as
the
park
was
finished,
was
kind
of
my
impression
Vice,
chair
Robin.
Do
you
have
another
question.
G
Oh,
no
sorry
I
might
I'll
drop
my
hand
but
as
as
the
Commissioners
have
described
this
as
being
a
a
dump
like
in
my
in
my
head,
I'm
just
thinking
this
is
like
this
is
like
a.
This
is
like
a
downtown
business
improvement
district
line
item
and
it
and
it
doesn't,
it
doesn't
seem
at
all
appropriate
that
it
is
parked
under
measure.
J's
account.
L
H
I'm
going
to
go
back,
yeah,
actually
I'm
going
to
have
two
points
and
one
of
them
jumping
ahead,
but
I
I
still
think
we
ought
to
put
another
line
in
there
just
but
downtown
maintenance
and
Landscape
mirror.
How
do
you
want
to
phrase
it
I?
Don't
care
and
that's
the
250
and
then
the
downtown
security,
because
we
don't
really
know
what
that
is,
but
I
would
go
along
with
the
idea.
We
can't
rip
off
the
Band-Aid
now
but,
as
suggested
earlier
phase,
It
Out
by
400
next
year,
75
000,
the
next
budget
area.
H
E
So
if
we
can
finish
this
conversation,
we
actually
do
have
to
do
a
roll
in
the
convention
center
as
well,
which
I
accidentally
missed.
So
what
are
everyone's
thoughts
around
well
actually
Chris
and
Joel?
Is
that
like
feastable
or
does
that
necessary
splitting
it
or
if
we
leave
it
together
and
just
kind
of
explain
it
with
the
phase
out?
Is.
B
B
B
H
L
I
did
I
I
want
to
see
this
just
kind
of
go
away:
I'm,
okay,
with
a
25
000
budget,
or
something
for
landscaping,
but
other
than
that.
None
of
the
rest
of
this
is
is
general
fund,
so
I
I
would
not
want
to
see.
Why
are
we
adding
more
money
to
maintenance
that
doesn't
even
exist?
Landscaping
is
eighteen
thousand.
The
rest
is
all
janitorial
electric
security,
elevator
and
signs.
There
is
no
other
maintenance,
so.
E
E
In
addition,
there
is
also
concern
that
these
are
operational
costs
to
the
city
that
should
be
in
their
general
fund
and
should
be
phased
out
or
not
included
in
the
measure.
J
funds
measure
J
Budget
overall
right,
so
those
are
two
separate
things
that
we
have
to
discuss
of
whether
or
not
we
want
to
include
it
and
whether
or
not
we
want
to
phase
them
out.
So
it's
not
one
or
the
other.
It's
really
which
pieces
of
this
downtown
maintenance,
the
landscaping
and
security.
So.
L
And
let's
keep
in
mind
that
downtown
park
falls
under
parks,
so
that's
a
whole
different
budget
structure,
it's
just
a
new
park
added
to
demuth
and
Ruth
Hardy.
So
to
me,
that's
a
separate.
It's
not
part
of
downtown
I'm
I
move
that
this
gets
phased
out.
You
guys
can
pick
the
phased
out
to
zero
completely.
We
lose
the
line
item
over
a
two-year
fiscal
period
and
you
can
name
name
the
figure.
J
G
Yeah
well
I,
just
I
just
underscore
this
the
Greek
chorus
here.
So
what
we're
saying
is
the
downtown
maintenance
line,
we're
advocating
that
it'd
go
away
because
a
the
majority
of
the
costs
are
general
fund
costs
that
are
that
are
independent
of
anything
measure.
J
does
and
B
to
the
extent
that
they
apply
to
the
downtown
park.
That's
a
that
is
an
improvement
that
was
turned
over
to
the
parks
department
for
their
responsibility.
G
F
E
L
E
H
G
D
H
H
I
Is
a
cluster
yeah?
We
had
a
a
a
a
very
difficult
time
and
it
was
almost
predates
me
when
this
the
whole
Ballroom
project
was
done
and
it
bailed
and
there's
lots
of
issues
with
it.
I,
don't
think,
we've
sort
of
wrapped
around
the
best
solution
for
Ballers
just
yet
and
I
I'd
hate
to
say,
yeah,
move
it
now
and
then
do
nothing
with
it
for
another
year
now.
You
know
so
I
suspect
that
and
and
I
guess,
I'm
just
trying
to
be
very
honest.
Commissioner
Marshall
I
suspect.
I
If
you
move
it,
we
probably
won't
get
around
to
it
and
a
lot
of
the
things
that
are
happening
now
with
the
new
Public
Works
director
he's
taking
on
his
own
initiatives
and
doing
projects
himself.
So
some
of
these
will
not
fall
under
me,
I
think
even
the
baller
one
probably
will
not
fall
under
me,
but
but
I
believe
he's
taking
on
a
lot
of
projects
as
well.
That
probably
will
be
more
important
than
trying
to
do
this
particular
there's,
no
I'm
not
trying
to
minimize
the
importance
of
Public
Safety
and
properly
deploying
bollards.
I
We
just
I,
don't
think
we're
there
to
to
be
able
to
do
it
in
this
next
coming
fiscal
year.
So
I
appreciate
the
thought,
but
if
I'm
being
honest
I,
don't
believe
it'll
get
done
and
if
I
might
add
a
little
bit
we're
working
on
the
swim
center
right
and
working
on
the
measure
day
in
a
community
initiated
projects.
I
I
don't
want
to
mix
things
here,
but
I
suspect
that
the
money
that
we'll
be
needing,
where
we'll
be
needing
the
money
we'll
be
at
the
Swim
Center
as
we
come
up
with
real
budgets
for
it.
This
conversation
for
a
different
time,
but
I
would
say:
if
we're
dropping
money
somewhere,
it
would
be
sear
where
it's
a
real
project
that
I'm
already
designing
and
building.
But
that's
just
my
two
cents
here.
H
I
I
agree,
I,
agree
it.
It
needs
to
be
addressed,
but
having
the
power,
the
folks
to
be
able
to
do
it
in
the
next
fiscal
year
is
something
I
don't
know
right
now
we
could
certainly
move
it
and
if,
if
between
the
Public
Works
director
and
myself,
were
able
to
to
start
working
on
this
project,
we
would
attempt
to
work
on
it
in
this
next
coming
fiscal
year
and
I
really
can't
answer
or
speak
for
the
public
course
director.
I
L
I
H
Do
we
need
funding
for
design?
You
know
I've
been
on.
I
was
on
this
Commission
in
2014,
when
we
first
tried
to
push
for
this
and
approved
it
by
the
way.
Eight
years
later,
nine
years
later,
we
haven't
moved
on
it
and
I
feel
like
we're
kicking
the
can
down.
The
road
I
would
like
to
see
fifty
thousand
a
hundred
thousand
dedicated
to
getting
a
design
going
or
something
but
I
feel
like.
We
need
to
do
something.
Yeah.
H
L
E
E
B
Capacity
issue:
you
can
come
back
at
a
later
date
if
Joel
finds
capacity
or
David
mcabee
or
Public
Works
director
finds
capacity.
You
could
always
come
back
and
do
a
budget
adjustment
and
make
and
put
some
money
into
the
current
year
for
this
project,
but
it
would
be
up
to
them
to
see
it
to
determine
whether
they
have
capacity.
So
you
don't
have
to
make
a
decision
now.
We
can
always
come
back
and
make
a
budget
adjustment
later.
I
Yeah
and
then
just
to
just
to
finish
my
thoughts
off
here
on
on
that
subject,
that
if
we
win,
if
and
when
we
do
move
forward
and
we're
gonna
try
to
purchase
some
of
the
orders
that
we
see,
you
know
in
other
places
that
are
really
beefy.
You
know
those
cost
millions
of
dollars,
so
they
wouldn't
be.
You
know
the
quick
deployment
of
small
Ballers.
It
would
be
a
very
significant
infrastructure
investment,
the
hydraulic
ones
that
are,
you
know
very
you
know
TV.
I
Those
are
what
we
would
probably
want
to
install,
but
we're
talking
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
in
infrastructure
upgrades
to
be
able
to
deploy
those.
So
that's
why
I'm
saying
then
I
think
somebody
said
we're
sort
of
back
to
the
drawing
board
to
see
what
we
can
do.
That's
cost
effective,
but
safe
and
and
Deployable
and
and
usable.
So
that's
where
we're
at
I
mean
if
you
put
100
000
there
this
fiscal
year
and
we're
able
to
get
to
it.
We
obviously
we'll
use
it
and
we'll
move
to
to
the
time
phase
of
it.
H
H
F
E
I
And
just
for
a
commercial
martial
sake,
we
are
moving
forward
with
a
lot
of
projects.
I
would
say
you
know
in
this
next
fiscal
year
we're
hiring
new
people
and
in
24
25
we
will
get
after
that
design
and
move
it
forward.
It
has
been
there
we're
not
adding
more
projects,
so
you
know
by
default,
we're
clearing
the
bigger
projects
out
and
we're
working
on
more
and
bringing
in
more
staff.
So
that
project
is
a
very
viable
project
very
important
and
we
will
get
to
it.
E
B
G
G
My
concern
is
if
we
continue
to
carry
this
half
a
million
dollars
in
this
budget
cycle
that
we're
effectively
endorsing
the
Whopper
charge.
That's
that
is
inevitably
coming
if,
in
fact,
this
project
is
constructed
and
using
as
the
starting
point.
This
is
a
project.
The
commission
has
consistently
rejected
right.
L
From
day
one
when
I
joined
too,
you
know
one
thing:
I
would
I,
don't
know
if
we're
already
on
the
hook
for
this.
So
maybe
someone
can
answer
that
question,
but
if
we
could
take
if
we
could
say
that
measure
J
does
not
endorse
this
to
support
this
project.
City
council
wants
it.
They
can
find
the
money
in
general
fund.
L
My
fear
is
a
project
like
this
you're
going
to
have
a
lot
of
citizens
either
love
it
or
hate
it,
and
it's
going
to
be
controversial.
Do
we
want
measure
J
to
be
associated
with
that,
because
that
could
affect
a
vote
down
the
road
on
the
sunset
of
measure?
J
I
mean
that
could
linger
in
some
people's
mouths.
You
know.
L
F
L
F
E
That
are
on
here,
because
Council
wants
them
that
didn't
go
through
a
full
conversation
or
endorsement
by
the
commission
and
I,
see
them
very
separately
than
our
frustration
with
the
downtown
maintenance
and
landscape
and
security
costs
that
we
had
an
assumption
of
what
that
meant,
and
it
actually
meant
something
very
different
and
I
personally
would
be
I'm
I.
Think
to
me.
E
I'd
rather
have
our
strong
recommendation
to
take
that
out,
sit
solely
with
the
downtown
maintenance
costs,
rather
than
all
of
additional
projects
that
we
also
are
not
approving
of,
or
would
prefer,
not
to
be
part
of
it.
They've
already
voted
for
this.
This
has
been
on
the
budget
for
multiple
years,
and
so
that
that'd
be
my
that's
where
I
would
be
coming
from
where
to
make
our
claim
that
the
downtown
maintenance
project
is
inappropriate
is
stronger
when
we're
just
calling
out
that
project
for
that
line,
item
I
should
say
really.
L
Yeah,
this
is
a
tough
one,
because
we're
definitely
behind
streets.
You
know
improving
our
streets
and
the
roundabout
technically
is
an
improvement.
I
just
don't
know
if
it
will
pan
out
to
be
that
much
of
an
improvement
yeah
it.
It
just
I
know
that
this
was
something
that
our
commission
was
against.
Back
when
I
joined
the
commission,
there
were
some
adamant
voices,
not
mine,
that
did
not
care
for
measure
J
to
be
supporting
this.
So.
I
I
think
every
time
we've
taken
it
to
Council
in
our
reports
we
do
say:
staff
supports
this
project.
The
measure
J
Mission
does
not
I
think
every
time
and
the
council
does
talk
about
it
and
they
elect
to
continue
the
project.
We've
we've
gotten
we're
already
in
design
we're
probably
80
90
done
with
it.
We're
looking
at
right
away,
there's
certain
areas
where
we're
so
we're
moving
forward
with
presenting
the
council
and
so
Matt,
so
not
Acquisitions,
but
some
easements
that
we
need
so
yeah.
L
I,
don't
want
to
jeopardize
dropping
the
downtown
maintenance.
That's
a
little
bit
more
valid.
This
one
is
a
little
more
of
a
Sticky
Wicket
because
it
is
so
far
down
the
pike
and
you
know
we've
kind
of
made
it
known,
but
for
some
reason
it's
always
been
on
our
books
and
we
haven't
fought
it
for
the
last
few
years,
so
it
might
be
like
too
late
to
come
to
the
table
again.
I
think
we
can
say
that
measure
J
does
not
endorse
spending
on
this,
but
that's
up
to
council.
You
know.
G
E
E
I'm
trusting
staff's
recommendation
on
here
and
if
it's
still
moving
forward,
you
know
I
think
we
should
be
putting
our
attention
on
things
that
feel
the
lack
of
transparency
is
a
bigger
issue
on
the
downtown
maintenance.
So
we
are
way
over
time,
I
guess
so
to
say
any
last
commission
I
promised
you
all
that
I'd
leave
a
couple
minutes
for
last.
Commissioner
comments
before
we
close
out.
Yes,.
E
E
F
H
E
Big
one,
so
just
a
couple
of
things,
I'll
say
and
then
I'll
open
it
up
in
case.
Anyone
else
has
anything
else
to
say
we
do
have
the
joint
meeting
with
Council
on
June,
5th
and
I've
checked
in
with
staff,
and
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
anything
else
that
we
need
to
discuss
for
the
month
of
June.
So
if
you
all
agree
and
if
staff
agrees,
I
would
recommend
that
we
cancel
the
June
18th
meeting
because
there
wouldn't
be
any
additional
agenda
items.