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A
A
A
A
Discussion
under
new
business
5c
discussion
on
new
hot
spot
projects
and
outreach
I
was
just
a
little
confused
on
that
I
didn't
know
if,
if
we
were,
if,
if
that
was
maybe
misconstrued
as
hot
spots
might
be,
potentially
our
next
project
for
community
projects
this
this
would
be
the
appropriate
time
to
discuss.
Okay
yeah
just.
A
A
D
A
Right,
that's
passed
all
right.
This
is
the
time
for
public
comment.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
measure,
Jay
Commission
on
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission.
Although
the
measure
Jay
Commission
values
your
comments,
persuade
it
to
the
Brown
Act,
it
generally
cannot
take
any
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
There
will
be
three
minutes
for
each
speaker.
Do
we
have.
C
Thank
you,
my
name's
Allen
Bowie
I
am
the
chair
of
parks
and
recreations.
Commission
I
came
here
today,
first
to
thank
you
for
giving
us
the
funds
for
our
restroom
projects
in
the
parks
for
the
next
year.
We
have
already
begun
working
with
the
architects
and
are
making
a
template
of
one
that
will
be
repeated
in
the
others
as
we
go
through
at
our
last
meeting.
We
discussed
it
with
Marcus
and
dr.
Reddy,
and
they
suggested
that
we
let
you
know
we
need
more
money.
We
have
a
couple
projects
that
we
had
hoped
to
do.
C
One
is
a
restroom
outside
here
at
the
dog
park
once
this
building
is
closed.
There's
no
restrooms
for
people
to
use
at
City
Hall,
the
other
one
is
at
James
O
Jessie
Center.
Once
the
building
is
closed
there
we
have
the
outdoor
fields
and
playgrounds
and
ballparks.
We
have
no
restrooms
for
them
up
there.
We
have
talked
to
them
and
discuss
different
ideas
of
how
we
could
do
it.
C
We
may
have
a
little
bit
of
money
left
over
in
the
1.6
that
we
got
for
the
upgrades,
but
with
the
accessibility
that
we
have
to
do,
it's
gonna
stretch
it
a
lot.
So
as
a
Marcus
and
dr.
Reddy
suggested
that
we
come
to
you
and
let
you
know
that
a
community
project
look
at
us
we're
here
and
we're
needing
some
help
in
that
area.
C
E
So
this
is
a
very
important
item
for
us
and
let
me
explain
to
you
why,
as
an
example,
if
you
walk
down
Ramon
or
if
you're
on
Ramon,
when
the
high
school
lets
out
or
in
school,
that's
out,
you
see
kids
crossing
the
crossing
at
those
bus
stops
without
crosswalks.
They
have
heavy
book
bags,
they
have
instrument
cases
and
it's
just
dangerous,
and
at
other
times
you
see
elderly
people
who
sometimes
have
to
stop
in
the
middle
of
the
street
at
the
turn
lane
before
they
can
finish.
E
So
you
know
it's
an
important
item
for
us.
So
I
know
that
there
is
a
list
of
hotspots
from
the
past
that
engineering
is
working
through
and
I
believe
that
the
majority
of
those
are,
if
not
completed,
funded
and
on
their
way
there
in
the
process.
So
we're
asking
that
we
be
added
to
your
next
list
of
projects,
because
I
want
to
fix
this
road,
and
our
neighborhood
organization
wants
to
fix
this
road
before
something
really
bad
happens.
A
F
A
H
So
we
look
like
we
finished
the
year.
The
revised
estimated
actual
the
unallocated
new
funds
appeared
to
be
1.74
million
one
point:
zero,
seven,
four
million,
and
in
going
through
this
year's
comparables,
we
have
September
and
there's
a
typo
right
here
where
it
says
June,
but
it
should
say
September.
We
have
one
point,
one:
nine
million
over
nine
hundred
twenty-one
over
the
prior
year
last,
the
last
two
meetings
I
include
an
attachment
of
the
list
of
additional
reallocated
new
funds
and
this
time
I
included
them
on
your
report.
H
If
you
would
prefer
it
the
other
way,
let
me
know
when
I'll
change
it
back
to
the
attachment,
but
I
thought.
Instead
of
having
additional
pages
to
go
back
and
forth,
you
would
have
it
all
right
here.
Does
anybody
have
any
questions
at
this
time
and
we'll
go
through
some
of
the
projects
that
we
have
completed?
We
have
included
a
new
attach
to
this
there's
new
project
listing
we
included,
which
includes
all
the
projects
since
the
beginning
of
measure
J.
H
G
E
G
This
meeting
is
what
is
labeled
as
the
true
of
where
we
talk
about
all
the
projects,
all
the
funding
that
measure
J
has
given
to
projects
over
the
years,
so
we
can
actually
turn
to
page
I.
Guess
we'll
call
it
item
three,
two
of
five,
which
is
the
beginning
of
the
breakdown
of
all
the
funds
that
have
been
spent
right,
so
actually
yeah.
If
you
actually
turn
it
sideways,
it's
gonna
be
one
of
four.
G
So
you
can
actually
follow
along
from
fiscal
year,
1112
measure
J
had
spent
total
29,000
and
then,
as
used
as
the
years
progressed,
the
money
is
kept
on
increasing
from
two
to
two
hundred
thousand.
In
fiscal
year,
1213
fiscal
year,
1314
measure
J
spent
almost
six
million
dollars
fiscal
year,
1415
a
measure
J
bumped
it
to
almost
twelve
point:
five
million
dollars,
1516
six
million
0.7.
Sixteen
seventeen
ten
point:
two
1819.
We
were
at
seven
point:
six
million
and
right
now
we're
well
under
way
to
140,000.
G
If
you
go
down,
you
can
start
seeing
the
categories
where
the
money
was
spent
in
each
one
of
those
fiscal
years.
So
the
the
first
category,
I
guess
it's
called
brought.
It
is
called
project
details
by
category
the
first
one
is
the
downtown
and
you
can
see
the
expenses
as
you
follow
through.
As
you
follow
from
eleven
fiscal
year,
eleven
twelve
all
the
way
to
nineteen
twenty,
then
you
go
down
to
measure
J
streets
and
you
can
see
where
we're
spending
our
funds,
the
major
the
four
four
nine
three
measure
J
streets.
G
Actually,
you
starts
breaking
down
by
year
as
well
so
streets,
fourteen
fifteen,
eighteen,
nineteen,
those
are
the
names
of
the
projects,
but
you
actually
see
by
this
spreadsheet
how
much
money
was
spent
in
each
one
of
the
fiscal
years
for
the
reconstructions
actually
tied
to
that.
If
you
turn
to
the
very
back
of
the.
G
And
it's
an
actual
colored
exhibit
at
the
very
back.
This
was
presented
to
Council
recently,
where
we
show
the
very
first
color
handout
map
is
fiscal
year
13
and
we
call
it
city
project
1304.
You
can
see.
There
was
a
few
projects
that
worked
on
few
streets
in
the
city
and
then
the
next
sheet
is,
you
know
to
prot
the
next
two
price.
I
guess
you
add
the
next
project,
which
is
project
1404,
and
you
keep
on
turning
the
pages.
You'll
see
how
measure
J
over
time
has
touched,
a
large
portion
of
the
city.
G
I
I
G
G
If
there
are
stapled,
you
can't
really
stack
them
up
together,
but
you
could
actually,
if
you
put
them
all
together,
you
can
actually
see
every
year
how
many
projects
we
did
and
at
the
very
beginning
we
started
with
very
we
started
with
one.
What
is
it
maybe
about
ten
projects,
this
other
handout
that
I
gave
you.
G
The
very
first
sheet
shows
you
that
in
the
fiscal
year
1213
we
finished
completed
one
project
that
take
$12,000
and
then
from
there
you
can
start
seeing
how
the
next
fiscal
year
we
completed
more
and
it
pretty
much
all
ties
together
with
the
the
list
of
completed
projects
and
the
spreadsheet
that
we
provided.
You
can
basically
go
back
and
forth
and
check
and
how
the
money
was
spent
each
fiscal
year.
G
I
A
H
I
F
J
And
just
just
to
follow
up
on
that
and
we'll
talk
about
in
a
little
bit.
450
double
sided
signs
that
we
just
ordered.
It
was
thirteen
hundred
and
fifty
nine
dollars,
and
that
was
450
about
fifty
but
they're
printed
on
both
sides,
so
they're
double-sided
they're,
the
ones
that
we
put
by
the
roadside
loner
repaving
a.
B
L
M
Joel
I
have
one
question,
so
this
is
when
the
funds
were
spent
when
the
projects
were
completed
right
did
you
have?
Did
you
notice
any
like
when,
what's
the
average
lag
between.
G
But
it
takes
a
while
I,
don't
think,
I
have
a
good
metric
on
that.
How
or
how
long
it
takes
between
when
measure
J
gives
us
the
money
to
do
a
project,
and
it
actually
gets
done.
You
could,
if
you
see
this
spreadsheet,
that
we
provided
and
you
kind
of
get
it
ideas
as
you're
going
down,
you
can
see
more
and
more
money
is
being
spent,
but
I
don't
have
a
true
grasp
of
how
much
how
long
it
takes
for
a
project
to
get
completed
once
it
approved
and.
N
And
the
reason
I
ask
is,
as
we're
kind
of
considering
community
outreach
and
gathering
ideas
from
community
members,
it'd
be
helpful
to
have
like
some
realistic
expectations
that
we
can
share
as
to
how
long
you
know
from
the
inception
of
an
idea
from
when
that
project
actually
comes
to
completion,
because
sometimes
people
think,
like
oh,
nothing
happened
but
could
be
we've
allocated
it.
It's
just
not
gonna
happen
for
another
year
right.
G
So
I
think
we
were
using
other
meetings.
We
were
talking
about
Park
projects
and
Don
mentioned
that
when
you
start
a
project
or
when
you
idea
comes
up
it
takes
about.
You
know
up
to
three
years
before
from
that
idea
to
coming
to
measure
J's
to
it
getting
funded
and
then
actually
coming
to
fruition.
So
you're
generally
looking
at
from
the
concept
to
to
delivery.
Maybe
four
years
truly
or
you
know,
if
it's
a
really
high-profile,
really
important
project
that
needs
to
get
done,
then
the
timelines
get
pushed.
But
it's
you
know
it
varies.
G
L
Yeah
I
think
it
would
depend
on
the
project,
I
mean
you
could
look
at
the
well
word
and
it's
not
finished
and
this
project
started
ten
years
ago.
So
it
really
depends
on
what
the
project
is
and
the
rules
and
regulations
it
has
to
go
through
and
how,
if
there's
funding
or
no
funding,
so
I
think
the
easiest
one
would
be
to
take
hotspots
and
look
at
the
hot
spot
requests
and
then
sort
of
see
when
those
hot
spots
were
done,
but
they
were
done
over
a
period
of
time.
But
you
know
construction
projects.
N
G
J
G
Right
we
Don
and
I
all
right.
At
least
we
debated
about
whether
we
could
put
it
on
here
as
complete.
The
contractor
did
their
work.
The
problem
with
the
fall
group
was
a
manufacturer
issue.
The
manufacturer
manufacturing
of
the
actual
bollards
failed.
The
the
supplier
has
committed
to
providing
new
ball
ERDs
that
are
actually
hand
actuated
instead
of
the
ones
we
had
specified
and
installed.
So
the
reason
I
installed
put
it
here,
as
the
money
was
spent
to
install
it
and
the
contractor
did
their
work,
but
they
are
not
functionalized
as
a
today.
G
G
J
G
K
That
just
kind
of
yes
just
to
Clara,
clarify
and
I'm
and
I
might
have
been
reading,
while
you
or
Nancy
were
speaking
completed.
Project
versus
cash
activity
before
the
horizontal
landscape
is
cash
basis.
Spend.
This
is
project
effectively
closed
out
plan
in
that
count
in
that
fiscal
year,
it's
it's
recognized
when
it's
done
so
I'm
breathing
am
I
reading
it
correctly
right.
G
O
G
H
We're
hoping
we
put
this
together
per
your
request
and,
if
you
think
of
any
changes
or
you'd
like
to
see
anything
different
on
this,
please
let
us
know.
After
looking
at
it
right
now,
I
thought,
maybe
we
could
even
add,
actually
put
the
total
revenues
received
during
that
year.
So
we
see
what's
come
in
and
what
was
spent.
So
we
have
an
idea
of
that
also.
So.
K
N
Maybe
after
the
list
of
completed
so
there's
project
completed
in
fiscal
year,
1920
and
then
I,
don't
know
if
looks
like
a
page
break
or
whatever
but
approved
projects,
and
so
that
way,
you're
kind
of
like
moving
things
up
as
they
are
completed.
But
then
we
have
a
understanding
as
to
what's
on
the
docket.
Now.
G
Yeah,
it's
only
gonna,
be
the
very
right,
the
really
last
page
and
it
will
be
by
dollar.
So
I
don't
know
if
it
makes
sense
doing
it.
You
know
quarterly
or
not
or
every
other
meeting
or
maybe
every
six
months,
something
that
you
know.
What's
the
count,
the
Commission
gets
curious
about
where
the
money
is
being
spent
and.
A
G
L
N
O
F
J
J
So
thanks
for
that,
Cera's
aunt
kazan
spoke
and
it
went
very
well-
and
you
probably
have
seen
this,
which
was
that
was
kind
of
the
impetus
for
developing
this,
but
we
do
have
extra
copies.
So
if
there's
any
meeting
that
you're
going
to-
and
you
need
some-
you
can
just
speak
to
Arianna
and,
as
you
can
see,
we
also
included
because
as
a
neighbor,
they
were
all
neighborhood
groups,
the
streets
that
we're
gonna
try
to
do
this
year,
because
everybody
wants
to
know
exactly
what's
happening
in
their
neighborhood.
J
The
other
thing
that
I'd
like
to
mention
is
that
dr.
Reddy
was
there
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
great
idea
for
us
to
invite
him
to
join
our
next
meeting.
I
think
he's
got
some
some
good
ideas,
and
hopefully
it
would
be
receptive
if
he's
busy
next
time.
We
can
do
it
into
two
months,
but
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful.
Also
before
you,
we
promised
we
promised
to
provide
a
budget
for
your
consideration,
which
you
can
see
was
just
handed
around.
J
We
talked
a
little
bit
about
it
before
with
the
signage
Commissioner
Commissioner
Craig
was
talking
about.
The
signage
here
has
roughly
we've
ordered
the
50
double-sided,
but
it
would
be
four
at
some
point.
You
know
an
order
of
another
50
plus
some
large
project
signs
so,
for
example,
with
the
renovations
of
the
bathrooms.
J
It
might
be
nice
to
have
a
more
long-lasting
sign
there
to
indicate
that
that's
a
measure,
J
project
and
same
thing,
if
we
end
up
doing
some
stuff
with
some
of
the
fire
stations
having
something
that's
a
little
larger
and
a
little
more
permanent
might
work
well
as
well.
In
addition
to
that,
printing
I've
already
spent
some
on
this,
but
that
comes
in
there.
The
concrete
imprints
we've
talked
about
and
I
know
we're
launching
into
some
sidewalks.
J
So
I
think
there
seem
to
be
a
lot
of
support
at
previous
meetings
about
using
some
concrete,
improve
imprints
you
you,
you,
you
get
them.
They
have
a
little
number
play
that
can
be
changed
for
the
year,
but
other
than
that
you
can
use
them
indefinitely
to
indicate
that
measure
J
participated
in
the
funding
for
for
new
sidewalks.
In
addition
to
that,
we
thought
we'd
explore
this
idea
of
the
logos,
which
would
be
brass
they're
about
four
inches
across,
and
it
would
have
some
variation
of
the
seal
of
the
city
with
something
about
measure
J.
J
We
have
to
work
out
exactly
what
it's
going
to
look
like,
but
those
are
pretty
much
permanent
and
they
can
be
mounted
in
sidewalks,
concrete
walls
and
basically
they'll
last
forever.
So
that's
something
that
we
think
might
be
a
good
thing
to
do.
We've
got
25
in
here
to
just
sort
of
see
how
it
goes
and
if
people
like
them
and
if
they
work
on
future
budgets,
we
might
well
want
to
expand
that.
So
with
that
I'd
like
to
put
this
budget
forward
for
for
consideration
and
adoption,
if
our
brand
improves.
A
A
J
A
J
K
If
I
could
have
with
the
larger
project
signs
which
maybe
you're
on
the
scale
of
the
monitor
behind
you,
staff
and
engineering
would
know
probably
better
than
anyone
that
wants
that
project
is
triggered
fire
station
renovation,
where
a
sign
is
going
to
be
posted
for
a
year.
That
becomes
part
of
the
project
schedule
and
is
that
200
dollar
sign
a
500
dollar
sign,
whatever
the
whatever
the
cost
of
fabricating
and
installing
it
would
just
coincide
with
the
project
work
done
by
the
GCS
for.
G
I
I
had
mentioned
at
the
last
meeting,
I
went
to
desert
promotional
and
they
made
it.
They
made
this
up
as
a
proposal.
I'm
gonna
pass
these
for
you
to
pass
they're
14
feet
tall,
they're,
washable,
there's
a
hole,
it's
suitable
if
it's
4
ounce,
polyester
flag,
high
resolution,
scratch
resistant
and
washable.
I
109
dollars
each,
and
that
includes
the
pole,
the
the
14-foot
banner
these
are
seen
all
over
town
from
different
businesses
and
different
organizations.
The
thing
I
liked
about
it
was
that
you
made
me
think
about
it
was
that
it's
visually
seen
anywhere,
you
look
because
it's
so
high
and
tall
and
it's
bright
colors
of
the
measure
J.
So
it's
just
done
it's
something
else
to
see
question,
commissioner.
A
I
Or
held
up
they
go
into
the
ground.
Two
feet
is
the
is
the
connection
that
comes
that
goes
into
the
ground,
and
the
whole
thing
can
be
reused.
It
can
be
reused
over
and
over
and
over
again,
it's
I
just
looked
at
it
as
something
that,
because
it's
reusable
and
they
can
be
stored
and
they
can
be
moved
from
Street
to
Street
to
Street
as
they're
being
the
streets
are
being
done.
I
had
gotten
I
just
asked
him.
I
I
felt
that
they
would
last
and
by
the
fact
that
that
there
was
the
number
of
ones
that
were
made
in
2014-15
and
we
had
three
or
four
that
we
were
able
to
wash
and
clean
to
use
last
year.
This
seemed
like
something
to
me
that
this
will
have.
This
will
have
more
longevity,
because
they're,
washable
and
they're
usable
over
and
over
again
well.
L
Yeah
to
a
certain
point,
but
not
nothing
lasts
forever,
and
you
know,
though,
they'll
get
lost
and
stolen
and
ripped
and
defaced
and
just
like
any
other
kind
of
sign,
so
I
can't
I,
don't
think
we
can
say
that
would
be
forever
I
think.
But
if
we
went
this
route
we
might
need
to
do
like
50
a
year,
because
you
know
if
you
have
them
on
the
street,
you
know
some
of
these
streets.
You
might
need
three
or
four
or
five
on
at
the
street.
L
You
know
just
instead
of
just
one,
but
the
other
thing
is
that
I
think
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
I,
just
not
sure
that
they're
applicable
everywhere
and
I'm
and
I
don't
know
even
know.
If
people
you
know,
if
you
see
it
driving
down
the
street
I,
don't
know
if
you
get
the
connection
that
the
street
has
anything
to
do
with
the
flapping
thing
in
the
breeze,
but
maybe
well
it
says,
measure
J
at
work
yeah,
but
you
don't
know
what
it's
at
work
doing.
G
L
Mean
the
medallions
are
permanent
and
that's
the
thing
I
like
about
them
and
you
actually
put
them
in
the
sidewalk.
You
put
them
on
a
building.
You
put
them
on
the
road,
so
they
pretty
much
day,
but
you
know
obviously
with
$10,000.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
money,
so
I
guess
we
have
to
divvy
it
up
somehow,
but
you
know
I,
think
as
being
a
member
that
subcommittee
I
think.
L
Basically
what
we're
really
doing
here
is
sort
of
doing
a
rough
budget
and
dividing
the
$10,000
and
I'm
not
sure
we
should
get
bogged
down
into
you
know.
I
know
well
that
I
nobody's
talked
about
them,
but
I
know
at
some
point
in
time
when
mr.
J
was
doing
things,
there
were
signs
that
weren't
much
bigger
than
this.
They
were
on
a
little
wire
that
said,
measure
J
at
work
and
they
will
buy
a
road
when
the
road
was
being
done.
L
I
don't
know
whatever
happened
to
those,
but
they
would
stay
up
there
for
like
a
week
or
two
while
the
paving
was
being
done
and
then
they
disappeared,
just
like
a
political
sign
disappeared.
So
that's
what
I
was
sort
of
thinking
when
you
paved
the
street
but
permanently
you
know.
Maybe
it
needs
something
industry.
N
N
What's
gonna
work,
we're
gonna
see
what
people
respond
to
like.
We
shouldn't
do
a
ton
of
money
without
any
consumer
feedback
or
a
resident
feedback
as
to
what
they
like,
and
you
know,
I
think
this
is
a
good
year
to
get
get
the
get
those
impressions
back
and
so,
but
I'm
loving
all
these
ideas,
I
just
think
a
year
from
now
we're
gonna
have
a
lot
more
information
about
what
people
respond
to.
D
P
Right
I
mean
this
is
presumably
we
would
be
able
to
ask
for
this
budget
every
year
and
see
this.
It
seems
like
a
reasonable
mix
between
permanent
and
semi-permanent
I
mean
temporary
things
that
move
around,
and
my
only
recommendation
would
be
if
you're,
looking
at
things
that
we
move
around,
whether
it's
those
plastics
or
hands
or
these
I
think
these
are
a
great
option
or
maybe
it's
a
combination
of
them
and
then
I
think.
P
G
So
for
the
mobile
or
the
linear
projects,
ie
the
the
pavement
reconstructions.
Those
generally,
we
don't
ask
contractors
to
provide
science,
cuz
they're,
moving
all
over
the
place.
I
would
think
a
combination
of
the
plastic
signs
and
the
banners
you
know
in
in
some
some
fashion
would
work
because
they're
able
to
grab
them
and
move
them
with
them,
and
we
can
ask
them
to
do
that
for
us
and
the
imprint
in
the
sidewalk.
G
We
have
a
sidewalk
project,
starting
so
that
would
work
and
you
can
see
how
that
works
and
how
it
looks
and
to
see
if
it's
feasible.
Maybe
you
buy
one
and
try
that
so
we
have
two
projects
that
you
can
try
these
things
on
for
the
first
year.
It's
a
it's.
It's
an
ideal
time
to
buy
them
and
put
them
down
to
it,
see
what
works
and
and.
G
See
how
I
don't
feel
about
those,
so
you
have
the
the
police
station.
That's
complete,
so
I
would
put
them
in
tallying
at
the
police
station
with
their
provision,
of
course,
and
then
the
fire
station
actually
has
a
24
by
30
plaque
with
measure
J
on
it,
so
that
one
I
think
has
enough.
It
will
have
enough
measure
J
per
minute
and.
J
L
G
Q
G
L
L
O
Yeah
so
there's
a
a
big
portion
of
La
Plaza
is
private
property
actually,
and
this
was
kind
of
the
fad
that
I
forgot.
What
period
of
time
it
was
I
think
it
was
in
the
30s
and
40s
that
the
private
property
owners
would
put
these
medallions
to
mark
that
this
is
private
property.
And
yet
the
city
has
an
easement
to
use
as
pedestrian
passageway.
But
this
was
very
common
in
Hollywood
and
then,
as
the
movie
stars
came
to
play
in
Palm
Springs,
they
took
this
practice
over.
O
But
there
was
a
period
of
time
where
this
was
put
everywhere
to
mark
where
the
property
line
was
and-
and
it
basically
is
saying
that
you
have
permission
to
walk
on
this
sidewalk.
Even
though
it's
our
private
property
and
when
an
incident
occurred,
they
were
called
the
police
to
escort
people
that
they
didn't
want
their
off
their
property.
So.
L
A
B
D
J
B
B
A
L
N
N
Were
downtown
were
nearest
to
where
the
library
currently
is
its
current
site
in
Sunrise
Park
and
then
the
co
D
and
then
the
fifth
one
was
near
the
tribe
headquarters
off
Edina
Shore
dinosaur.
So
we
went
through
a
very
thorough
process
of
coming
up
with
criteria
to
review
each
of
those.
Ultimately,
at
the
end,
which
was
last
week
two
weeks
ago,
I
don't
know
it's
a
blur.
We,
the
the
committee,
decided
that
the
library
should
stay
in
sunrise.
N
Park
was
our
final
recommendation,
with
the
strong
caveat
that
the
city
should
definitely
consider
making
a
master
plan
for
sunrise
park
to
be
a
key
component
as
to
how
the
library
would
be
in
the
park.
So
some
of
the
feedback
was
there's.
You
know
very
strategic
and
smart
neighbors
next
to
the
library,
so
the
Boys
&
Girls
Club,
the
Mizell
Center.
The
high
school
is
right
there,
the
Swim
Center,
but
the
way
the
park
is
currently
designed,
the
different
corners
can
feel
really
sequestered
and
they
don't
necessarily
kind
of
Liv.
N
N
That
is,
you
know
deserving
of
this
of
the
residents
of
Palm,
Springs
and
so
kind
of
hearing
a
lot
of
the
the
feedback
from
the
community
that
they
didn't
want
to
leave
the
that's
current
location,
but
at
the
same
time
like
how
can
we
listen
to
them,
honor
them
and
also
look
ahead
too.
So
that's
our
final
recommendation.
It
goes
to
the
city
on
the
23rd
to
the
City
Council,
where
they
will
ultimately
make
their
final
recommendation.
N
Some
of
the
feedback-
I,
don't
know
if
Commissioner
gray,
if
you
were
gonna,
mention
it
from
the
trustees
they
seemed
like
they
were
really
hoping
for
it
to
be
downtown
and
just
to
kind
of
quickly
know
some
of
the
feedback.
Some
of
the
discussion
that
ultimately,
we
decided
that
to
downtown
options.
Weren't
ideal.
There
was
a
lot
G
near
the
airport
or
not
they're
near
the
Art
Museum
and
then
another
one
at
Palm,
Canyon
and
Stevens,
and
then
both
of
those
especially
the
one
by
the
Art
Museum.
N
They
were
just
too
small
for
kind
of
the
size
of
the
library
that
we're
thinking
of
and
being
on
kind
of
smaller
side
roads
would
really
be
some
real
traffic
logistical
nightmares.
So
it
just
felt
that
the
sights
that
we
were
given
to
consider
for
downtown
were
not
ideal
and
that's
ultimately,
in
the
parking,
even
at
the
one
on
Palm
Canyon
would
have
been
in
issued
too
so
so
that
would
that's
kind
of
why
we
didn't
look
at
this
so
but
definitely
come.
N
L
L
P
L
L
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
the
process,
basically,
as
I
understand
it
was
that
the
trustees
in
the
city
charged
this
committee
to
come
up
with
a
recommendation
and
the
trustees
made
their
comments,
but
they
weren't
going
to.
They
are
not
changing
the
decision
because
they
gave
this
authority
to
this
other
committee.
So
basically,
whether
or
not
I
don't
know
what
will
happen
after
that,
it's
up
to
City
Council.
So
for
whatever
reason,
there
were
a
lot
of
measure.
L
J
things
put
on
discussion
at
the
last
Board
of
Trustees
meeting
and
so
I
asked
other
members
if
they
wish
to
it.
Library
subcommittee
members
if
they
wish
to
attending
Commissioner
Soto
attended
and
myself
Commissioner
goes
on
and
it
really
kind
of
boiled
down
to
more
or
less
process,
rather
than
anything
else
that
the
trustees
wanted.
L
Some
clarification
on
process
regarding
funds
that
either
had
already
been
allocated
or
or
were
future
funds
so
I
think,
probably
now
they
are
just
going
to
work
directly
with
city
staff
to
have
those
projects
either
reimbursed
out
of
measure
J
funds
which
we've
already
allocated
or
come
back
to
us.
Should
a
project
need
extra
funds
and
the
only
one
that
might
have
that
issue
is
the
Frey
building.
Apparently,
in
that
we
had
given
them
three
hundred
thousand
and
now
they
think
the
project
might
be
around
four
hundred
thousand.
L
But
it's
my
understanding
and
Don
can
correct
me
that
the
will
would
patio
and
the
Frey
building
are
gonna,
be
bid
at
sort
of
this
same
time.
The
RFR
is
gonna,
go
out
same
time
or
something
like
that
I.
You
can
correct
me
on
that,
but
somehow,
at
the
same
meeting
they
were
gonna
that
you
somehow
bundled
those
two
projects
which.
O
L
It
yeah
so
so
I.
Don't
really
think
that
there's
any
other
thing
that
we
will
be
doing
at
this
point,
but
obviously
I
would
imagine
after
City
Council
approves
or
makes
their
final
recommendation.
Then
the
next
process
would
be
that
the
library
will
be
then
going
out
with
funds
that
we've
already
allocated
to
to
stick
to
the
the
building
plan
with
a
consultant
architect
and
then
eventually
that
would
then
go
into
architectural
renderings.
L
So
that's
there,
where
that
1
million
some
our
dollars
is
going
to
have
to
be
spent,
but
at
this
point
they're
nowhere
near
using
anywhere
near
those
kinds
of
funds,
so
I
don't
think
we
need
to
worry
too
much,
but
obviously
once
they
have
an
s2
it
cost
on
the
building,
then
we
will
have
more
clarity
as
to
how
much
funding
they
will
need
over
X
amount
of
years.
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
any
questions.
O
L
My
understanding
is
that,
basically,
as
finance
gets
these
bills,
they're
gonna
be
coming
off
of
this
line
item.
So
the
finance
department
can
tell
us
well,
they
spent
the
money
on
whatever
they
spent
it
on,
and
we
know
that
they're
gonna
spend
they've
already
spent
some
money
on
what
they've
already
done.
So
those
bills
are
going
to
be
coming
up
against
this
money
we've
allocated.
So
until
those
bills
are
at
the
finance
department,
I
don't
know
that
there's
a
whole
lot
more
for
them
to
come
and
report
I
mean
they.
They
obviously.
L
N
There
was
still
money
on
the
table
that
we
had
approved
to
them
and
they
were
thinking
of
coming
back
to
making
sure
that
they
could
use
it
for
something
else,
and
we
were
saying
I've
already
like
we
don't
need
to
kind
of
look
at
every
single
recommendation
like
just
use
the
money
that
has
been
approved.
You
you
know
what
the
library
needs.
You
know
our
needs
to
go
like
just
just
use
it,
and
then
we
understand,
there's,
probably
gonna,
be
more
requests
but
with
probably
gonna
assume
that
you've
already
spent
a
little.
It's
been
already.
L
Yeah
I
mean
they
got
bogged
down
into
whether
it
was
could
they
use
this
money
because
they
called
it
strategic
planning,
and
then
this
other
one
called
it.
You
know
something
else,
and
or
you
know
we
when
you
hire
consultant,
that's
what
we
asked.
That's
what
we
assumed
this
building
planning
money
is
for
its.
We
have
very
broad
category
and
you
know
the
next
time
they
hire
a
consultant.
It
might
be
a
program
blah
blah
blah.
L
A
Basically,
Council
needs
to
approve,
they
can
move
forward.
What
we
want
them
to
do
is
use
that
money
to
get
them
to
the
point
of
definition
of
what
the
heck
they're
gonna
be
doing,
and
that
way
they
can
start
their
own
capital
campaign
to
raise
money
so
because
the
public
isn't
gonna
get
behind
this
until
the
public
sees
oh.
This
is
what
its
gonna
look
like.
Oh
this
is
what's
happening.
Then
they
can
start
to
raise
money.
Thinking
maybe,
and
they
will
come
back
to
measure
J
from
for
money
as
well
and
I.
A
G
Where
the
Commission
might
get
an
insight
onto
what's
going
on
is
when
contracts
are
awarded,
council
Wurzels
contracts
and
they
come
in
anything
above
25,000
goes
to
council.
So
there's
a
library
project
or
an
award
of
some
sort
of
engineering
or
concept
it
will
go
to
the
City,
Council
and
you'll
be
able
to
see.
This
is
where
the
money
is
going
to
right.
L
But
like,
for
instance,
the
well
wood
patio
project
which
they
seem
to
think
might
need
measure
J
funds,
you
know
don
t,
know
their
other
capital
funds-
that's
not
coming
out
of
mr.
J,
but
that's
still
gonna
be
I.
Don't
know
it's
way
over
$25,000,
so
it's
gonna
go
to
City
Council.
If
people
want
to
know
what's
happening,
they
can
find
out.
But
when
a
report
is
in
there,
it
always
says
where
the
money's
coming
coming
from.
L
No
J,
we
we
had
appropriated
money
several
years
ago
and
so
in
April
of
this
year
we
reallocated
that
money
and
we
reallocated
three
hundred
thousand
to
the
fray
and
I.
Don't
know
some
amount
of
money
for
their,
what
they
just
did
and
their
planning
part,
and
so
the
estimates
are
that
the
fray
may
go
over
that,
but
whether
or
not
that
needs
measure
J
funds
or
whether
the
city
will
find
out
the
funding.
We
don't
know
at
this
point
and
that
would
be
the
city's
decision.
Thank.
H
You
and
just
to
clarify
the
funding
that
was
provided
by
measure
J
for
the
library
is
to
go
to
towards
the
new
construction
of
the
library
and
not
at
any
other
funding.
If
they
want
to
use
the
money
for
something
else,
they
would
have
to
come
back.
If
they,
let's
say,
oh,
we
need
2,000
library
books.
They
would
have
to
come
back
to
you
for
different
you
other
than
for
the
construction
of
a
new
library
just
to
clarify.
Okay.
Thank
you.
A
L
B
A
Q
L
P
D
A
A
Maybe
we
could
throw
in
one
PS
as
a
good
collector
site
for
ideas.
Obviously,
hotspots
came
out
of
one
PS,
which
was
a
great
community
project,
so
I
throw
that
out
there
as
something
we
can
discuss.
I'm,
not
saying
that
that's
my
view
completely,
but
I
think
it
took
out
a
lot
of
I,
don't
know
I.
It
seemed
that
they
were
very
unanimous
and
very
stern
on
that
decision-making
as
far
as
community
projects
and
identifying
them.
A
I,
don't
know
that
that
warrants
being
under
a
community
project
it
could,
but
it
could
definitely
warrant
being
on
our
list
of
capital
projects
to
look
at
in
the
new
year.
As
we
look
at
that
laundry
list
of
capital
projects
and
I
think
pedestrian
safety
has
always
been
a
pretty
important
issue
for
this
commission
and
and
I
know
with
with
Ferrell,
we
got
the
monies
through
other
sources
and
it
didn't
have
to
go
through
measure.
J
I
know
doing
a
crosswalk
might
be
more
expensive.
A
I'm,
not
you
know,
I,
don't
know
all
of
that,
and
if
we
and
depends
on
what
that
crosswalk
looks
like
and
that
can
come
out
of
your
work
groups,
whether
it
should
have
lighting
or
not,
and
so
I
would
say,
definitely
get
with
that.
Neighborhood
do
that
homework,
and
it
can,
you
know,
I.
We
would
strongly
look
at
that
as
a
consideration
on
her
list.
G
Right
before
it
gets
to
measure
J,
we
would
have
fully
vetted
what
can
happen
on
Ramon
ray
sure.
We
won't
bring
a
project
just
to
say
we're
putting
crosswalks
right.
We
want
to
truly
go
through
the
process
and
it's
a
long
process,
but
you've
done
the
correct
thing.
The
process
will
start
I
know.
One
PS
is
also
meant
that
they're
they're
interested
in
the
crosswalk
on
Ramon
Road.
So
there
is
a
lot
of
movement
and
community
out.
I
guess
requests.
G
A
I
and
I
don't
live
in
that
neighborhood,
but
I
think
we
can
all
agree
that
we
Drive
Ramon
it's
one
of
the
busiest
arteries
in
the
city
that
stretches
very
high-speed.
It's
dark.
There
have
been
deaths,
accidents
resulting
in
death
on
that
stretch
of
Ramon,
I
think
at
least
more
than
once
so
I
think
it's
it's
it's
a
worthy
project.
This
isn't
just
some
vanity
project.
This
is
I,
think
important,
so
I
commend
that
neighborhood
that
they
are
moving
forward
and
and
hopefully
they'll
work
quickly
with
your
group
and
we'll
come
up
with
a
solution.
A
G
Or
this
year,
if
you
wanted
to
call
it
a
community
project,
you
could
maybe
include
it,
but
it
really
would
be
for
a
future
project
to
come,
I
mean
it
would
it's
way
too
early
to
determine
what
that,
what
the
shape
of
that
would
take
and
how
much
money
would
be
needed.
So
it's
too
early
in
the
process
to
make
that
decision
and.
A
I
wanted
to
add
to
real
quickly
in
regards
to
the
restroom
request
too,
and
I
heard
issues
with
Jesse
are
the
James
Oh
Jesse
Park
I,
guess
that
I
probably
would
want
to
see
more
on
the
Capitol
list
and
then
from
there
we
can
decide
if,
as
a
commission,
if
it
makes
sense
for
this
next
year,
that
a
million
dollars
goes
toward
parks.
$1,000,000
is
not
going
to
build
the
restroom.
L
Because,
although
I
agree
with
some
of
what
you've
said,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
everyone,
but
I
do
think
that
my
concerns
really
are
that
without
a
public
call,
there
are
many
places
and
people
who
don't
speak
out.
So
it's
kind
of
like
the
squeaky
wheel
is
going
to
get
the
money
because
these
people
took
the
initiative
and
came.
But
if
you
went
to
somebody
else
and
said,
oh,
you
know
doubted
the
doubt
and
they
would
say
well,
I
didn't
know.
I
could
do
that
so
I
just
think.
L
Maybe
we
just
want
to
have
either
a
meeting
where
people
could
come
and
talk
to
us
and
publicize
it
that
way,
or
we
have
some
sort
of
process-
that's
a
little
bit
more
forthright,
either
on
the
website
or
some
way
so
that
people
can
bring
forth
ideas
and
when
I,
think
of
a
community
project.
I
think
that's
anything
that
somebody
brings
forth
that
isn't
brought
to
us
directly
from
the
city.
So
it
could
be
what
we've
heard
so
far.
L
Obviously
we
heard
last
year
you
know
a
huge
drainage
project
that
was
going
to
cost
millions
of
millions
of
dollars.
Well,
that
was
still
brought
to
our
attention
and
it's
probably
not
gonna
happen
immediately,
but
at
least
we
know
about
it,
and
so
I
guess.
My
concern
is
that
if
we
just
kind
of
do
it,
piecemeal
I
feel
like
it's
been
a
long
time
since
measure
J
has
really
kind
of
done.
L
K
What
are
your
priorities
for
the
big-ticket
projects
that
last
cycle
we
addressed
and
focused
on
versus
some
of
the
smaller
items
like?
Do
you
need
some
lightbulbs
for
a
park?
Do
you
need
a
gym
floor
that,
in
the
last
cycle,
didn't
make
it
because
a
50,000
or
$20,000
project
just
doesn't
cut
it
when
we're
focusing
on
five
or
six
important
projects
and
I?
Think
it's
a
set-aside
for
the
community
work,
we
cut,
we
carve
out
a
million
dollars
that
helps
to
solve
that
dilemma
long
in
the
short
of
it.
P
I
agree
with
you,
and
the
only
addition
I
would
have
is
that
is
to
let
people
know
if
they're,
not
on
one
of
those
things
how
they
can
do
it.
So,
whether
it's
this
you
know,
brochures
like
this
or
I
mean
the
city.
Now
is
mailing
a
quarterly
mail
or
write
to
the
whole
city.
What
well
the
one
came
out
recently
and
I
think
they're
doing
it
quarterly.
H
P
And
I
think
they
will
include
a
measure
J
on
every
and
every
single
one
that
was
this
this
this
was
the
discussion.
I.
Think
dr.
Reddy
said
you,
don't
you
don't
have
to
budget
to
do
a
make?
A
direct
mailer
because
we're
gonna
do
a
mailer
quarterly
and
we'll
include
something
a
measure
J.
So
one
of
the
things
to
add
to
that
which,
when
we
make
sure
that
they
add-on
that,
if
you
have
an
idea,
here's
the
I
to
go
fill
out
a
community
action
request
form
or
go
to
your
neighborhood
organization.
K
The
the
sort
of
the,
if
you
will,
the
inverse
of
that
is,
let's
ask
40,000
people
to
come
to
a
measure,
J
meeting.
It's
just
that.
That,
of
course,
is
impractical,
but
the
filtering
through
here's,
the
communication,
the
filtering
through
these
organizations
that
exist
already,
that
can
act
as
a
springboard
for
communication
to
us
with
us.
They.
K
A
B
For
the
last
request,
when
they
requested
input
from
the
public,
it
was
through
our
website,
they
would
kind
of
like
a
job
form
and
they
would
submit.
We
would
do
our
questionnaire
and
then
they
would
just
submit
their
responses
and
email
it,
and
then
we
would
be
able
to
download
that
and
filter
it.
You
know
in
a
spreadsheet,
but.
G
D
J
D
L
So
I
don't
know
that
we
have
to
go
to
all
of
them,
but
it
would
be
helpful
in
my
head
to
know
what
ones
obviously
does
the
airport
have
to
come
to
us?
Does
I
mean
Parks
and
Rec?
Has
people
have
talked
a
lot
about?
Obviously
we
know
the
library.
Obviously
we
know
you
you,
you
know,
but
what
about
sustainability?
They
don't
do
capital
I,
don't
think
so
I.
If
but
I
don't
know
if
they
do
so.
It's
interesting
to
me.
They
do.
Oh.
P
L
Yeah
all
right,
Human
Rights
do
they
do
capital,
maybe
not
I,
don't
know
so
I
just
don't
know
how
you
I
don't
want
to
go
out
to
Commission's
and
then
have
a
commission
table.
They
never
can
go
out,
you
know
and
but
but
which
ones
are
capital
and
which
ones
are,
and
so
do
we,
but
I
guess
I.
Just
would
like
us
to
if
we're
gonna
do
it
that
way,
then
just
send
a
no
official
notice
to
to
every
body.
I,
don't
know
what
that
official
notice
would
be,
but
I.
N
Have
a
lot
of
thoughts
on
this
and
I
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
have
a
broader
conversation
about
this,
so
I
would
invitation
to
everybody.
I
think
is
a
I
would
hope
that
we
can
expand
that
vision.
I
understand
that
there
might
be
some
logistical
challenges.
Community
outreach
and
dialogue
is
not
easy
like
on
its
face.
It's
something
that
requires
a
lot
of
effort,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
value
in
it.
I
would
recommend
that
we
look
at
the
CVR
a
working
group
of
last
year.
N
They
did
a
lot
of
community
outreach
and
we
got
a
lot
of
great
feedback
as
to
what
they
wanted
to
see
in
the
city
elections.
It
was
feedback
from
communities
that
were
rarely
heard
that
are
gonna,
be
benefiting
directly
from
from
this
district.
Some
of
those
strategies
outreach
strategies.
There
were
evening
meetings.
There
was
translators.
There
was
reaching
out
to
people
multiple
times,
not
saying
that
we
have
the
capacity
to
do
that
at
all.
Not
only
than
saying
we
should
do
that
every
year.
N
Maybe
it's
something
we
do
every
two
or
three
years,
but
I,
don't
think
the
possibility
of
being
overwhelmed
should
be
a
complete
barrier
to
trying
to
have
ongoing
conversation
with
community
members.
So
I
don't
know.
Maybe
there
is
kind
of
some
kind
of
combined
model
where
we're
reaching
people
outside
of
working
hours.
Where
we're
reaching
you
know,
maybe
it's
a
combination
of
a
survey
and
then
we're
gonna
review.
The
survey
results
every
two
years
three
years,
there's
some
other
models
where
we
might
be
gathering
more
community
feedback.
N
That
is
useful
for
us
on
a
longer
period
of
time.
I
just
did
a
quick
scan
of
the
Commission's.
I
only
saw
two
that
have
been
after
four
o'clock,
ours
and
one
other
one,
all
the
other
ones
are
in
the
morning
or
at
1:30.
These
are
really
hard
meetings
to
get
to
if
you're,
working
or
if
you
have
children
at
home,
and
you
can't
find
daycare
and
childcare.
Those
are
real
logistical
barriers,
but
those
are
people
who
are
going
to
parks.
N
Those
are
people
who
are
walking
their
kids
on
strollers
on
sidewalks
and
that
input
is
greatly
valuable.
For
us,
like
I,
said
over
a
long
period
of
time,
so
I
hope
that
there's
some
combined
model
that
we
could
do
where
we're
gathering
community
feedback
and
also
utilizing
the
infrastructure
that
we
have
in
place
with
the
city
staff
and
the
Commission's
that
we
have
in
place.
I
Found
that
the
one
PS,
which
is
over
47
neighborhoods
now
at
those
monthly
meetings,
the
chief
of
police,
the
fire
chief,
the
city
council,
member
denisse,
Goolsbee,
there's
at
least
15
people
that
are
speaking
at
each
meeting
and
the
public
is
there
and
a
lot
of
people
from
the
public
attends
the
1ps
meetings
and
they
are
there
for
public
comments.
I,
remember
things
like
I,
like
the
street
of
Ramone
being
discussed
when
there
was
a
fatality.
I
Two
years
ago.
Oddly
enough,
one
of
the
members
of
the
of
the
group
brought
up
a
problem
at
a
specific
street.
In
two
days
later,
her
sister
was
killed
at
that
crosswalk
and
that's
when
they
got
Caltrans
involved
to
put
up
a
signal.
But
a
lot
of
information
is
really
disseminated
at
those
meetings,
because
then
Denise
puts
out
every
Thursday
a
full,
a
full
explanation
of
everything
going
on
and
I
live
at
Canyon
sands
and
our
NRH
at
our
HOA.
She
puts
out
to
everybody
who
lives
they're
everything
that
Denis
put
out
to
us.
I
So
these
tighter
things
really
do
get
the
word
out
to
people
to
know
what's
going
on
or
they
can
come
and
they
can
speak.
I
found
that
my
more
more
constructive
people
have
come
in
with
constructive
comments
or
help
to
the
1ps
meetings
and
the
people
who
come
to
City
Council
meetings
who
get
up
and
speak
so
I
think
that's
an
avenue
that
we
can
expand
upon
more
or
maybe
maybe
Chairman.
I
Sharing
this
on
could
be
on
that
agenda.
To
speak
monthly
about
people
can
come,
hear
your
ideas,
your
suggestions
to
bring
about
to
get
the
public
out
there.
The
same
way
I
looked
at
this
brochure
that
we
were
just
given
today,
I'm
hoping
we
can
have
these
printed
in
at
the
picnic
in
March
that
we
pass
out
tons
of
these
to
people
because
we
needed
more
material,
and
this
is
a
lot
of
explanation.
Last
year
people
came
to
the
measure
J
booth,
they
asked
what
is
this?
What
do
you
do?
Yeah?
They
really
did.
I
So
this
is
a
wonderful
new
piece
of
material
I'm
glad
to
see,
but
I
think
it's
a
I
think
we
are.
Our
focus.
Is
the
communication
to
the
community
of
we're
here
we
can
help-
maybe
maybe
things
that
are:
maybe
we
should
consider
and
I'm
picking
a
number
and
I
don't
mean
to
just
that
number
may
be
a
million
dollars
a
year.
We
should
say,
goes
to
anything
under
450
thousand
or
less
where
neighborhoods
or
situations
come
to
us,
where
they
need
something
done,
and
it
isn't
a
million
dollars
to
be
done.
I
I
don't
know,
I
could
I'm,
just
I
could
be
shooting
in
the
dark
on
that.
But
when
I
hear
this
gentleman
today
speak
about
about
this
people
Ramon,
this
has
been
out
there
for
a
while
with
people
and
it's
something
I
think
we
really
need
to
address
these
kind
of
things
more.
But
this
is
a
start
and
all
the
signs
that
that
you're
talking
about
Commissioner
Robin.
I
Q
Like
your
idea,
because
you
have
a
process
in
process,
but
I
would
concur
with
you
because
I'm
not
sure
communities
realize
what
they
can
ask
for.
If
you
ask
me
about
a
major
J
project,
I'm
thinking
of
the
downtown
part
and
big-ticket
items,
so
perhaps
along
with
us,
we
need
to
tell
communities
you
know
smaller
projects
can
come
forward,
particularly
safety
or
those
kinds
of
things,
because
I
I
really
don't
know
what
our
community
could
ask
for
from
you
and
I'm
sure,
there's
something
they
could
so
I.
Think
it's
another
publicizing.
Q
L
L
They
know
what
the
grocery
store
is
and
they
know
kind
of
if
the
street
is
paved
and
if
the
trash
isn't
picked
up,
but
they
really
don't
they're,
not
very
terribly
involved
and
part
of
it
is
because
they'd
have
to
get
up
and
go
somewhere
and
do
something,
that's
very
difficult
for
most
they
just
that.
You
know
there.
L
There
are
probably
a
thousand
people
in
this
city
who
are
very
involved
and
I
see
those
same
thousand
people
at
everything,
but
there's
43,000
people
I,
don't
see
at
all
they're
in
their
cars
going
about
their
daily
business
and
what
I'm
concerned
a
little
bit
about
is
you
know
we
are
spending
taxpayer
money
and
I
want
to
be
as
transparent
about
that,
and
let
people
know
that
if
they
have
an
idea,
then
they
should
be
able
to
do
it.
I
also
think
all
these
ideas
are
good.
L
If
I'm
not
you
have
a
crisis,
you
know
fine,
but
give
people
time
to
think
about
it,
be
prepared
about
it.
The
Commission's
could
do
it.
The
boards
can
do
a
general
person
can
do
it,
but
have
a
time
at
least
once
every
two
years,
maybe
because
if
we
might
get
a
lot
where
people
know,
oh
that's
when
I'm
supposed
to
come,
that's
what
I'm
supposed
to
do
something!
L
R
You
know
I
I
feel
as
though
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
words,
verbage
concepts
that
are
perhaps
take
a
little
bit
of
time
to
wrap
my
head
around.
You
know,
you're,
you
guys
have
been
in
this
I,
don't
know,
I,
don't
know
how
long
any
of
you
people
have
been
on
this
commission
I'm
brand
new
to
this,
and
so
I
feel
as
though
I
wished
that
there
was
a
way
of
an
introduction
to
new
members
on
this
mission
so
that
we
get
even
at
just
a
little
bit
of
a
step
ahead.
R
Something
I
know
said
something
new
to
the
whole
thing.
I
know
you
are
as
well,
but
still
you
have
experience
with
these
things
in
the
city
here.
I
think
I
just
wish
that
there
was
a
way
to
include
new
members
so
that
it
would
take
some.
But
now
somebody
come
up
with
a
suggestion
on
how
just
to
bring
people
new
people
up
to
speed
so
that
we
know
what
the
process
is.
I
I
mean
we
have
people
coming
to
the
community
and
the
capital
improvement
program.
R
I
was
on
was
in
a
very,
very
small
town
of
where
I
come
from
and
we
had
the
police
department
and
we
had
the
highway
come
to
us
and
those
are
the
ones
that
need
a
capital
improvement,
but
in
terms
of
involving
the
citizens
and
all
that
you
know,
man
I
always
would
have
thought
that
the
types
of
questions
that
these
people
are
coming
would
go
to
the
City
Council
presented
to
the
City
Council.
What's
the
process,
does
it
start
here?
Does
a
capital
improvement
start
here?
Does
a
start?
R
Does
it
divide
it
up
between
the
city
council,
or
is
this
the
funnel
that
everything
goes
through
or
do
they
refer
it
back
to
us
here
because
I'm
really
lost
as
to
at
this
point
I
hate
to
say
it
I
see
what
the
what
this
is
for,
but
I'm
just
having
a
hard
time
understanding
the
process
and
it's
I
feel
a
little
bit
like
if
something
doesn't
break
I'm,
just
occupying
a
seat
and
I'm
not
interested
in
doing
that.
You
know
so.
R
R
The
process
should
have
been
pretty
much
nailed
down
at
some
point
in
time
or
is
the
turnover
in
the
membership
so
great
that
every
time
you
know
we're
starting
a
new
year
and
now
we're
seeing
like
policy
is
being
discussed,
and
it's
I'm
just
a
little
confused
by
that
that
what
my
video,
what
I
perceive
and
I
could
be
wrong,
but
it
seems
as
if,
where
she
is
still
trying
to
nail
down,
how
does
this
board
work
and
those
are
my
concerns?
The
major
concern
is
I.
R
Just
see
this
as
a
real
steep
learning
curve
for
all
I
know,
it
is
as
osmosis
and
a
lot
of
the
terms
and
a
lot
of
the
concepts
you're
talking
about
I,
don't
know
what
the
hell
you're
talking
about,
so
I
feel
a
little
bit
left
out
and
but
perhaps
that's
my
problem.
I
just
don't
know
what
the
rest
of
your
experiences
have
been,
but
I
really
feel
as
though,
if
you
get
new
people
on
board,
they've
got
to
have
a
little
bit
better
grasp
of
what
is
going
on.
It's
a
second
meeting.
A
Right,
thank
you
for
that
feedback
and
we've
all
been
in
your
position
so
and
I'm
happy
to
to
talk
with
you
offline
at
some
point
too,
to
answer
some
questions
and
and
as
far
as
is
requests
for
projects,
they
come
in
from
every
possible
angle
that
there
is
in
the
city
they
can
be
initiated
by
a
council
member.
They
can
be
initiated
through
other
Commission's
staff
can
identify
through
the
city
manager's
office
projects.
They
can
come
in
through
the
actual
project
site
itself.
The
police
can
say,
hey
our
Police.
Department
is
horrible.
A
We
don't
have
good
locker
rooms
for
women,
police
officers
bubble,
you
know,
etc,
etc.
So
all
those
things
kind
of
funnel
in
from
different
directions.
Typically,
what
we
look
at
and
for
this
commission
is,
we
look
at
we're.
Gonna,
be
looking
at
a
little
bit
in
the
next
few
months,
a
list
of
capital
projects
that
are
suggested
by
staff.
We
will
not
have
enough
money
to
cover
that
entire
list,
so
we'll
be
voting
on
our
priorities,
and
then
we
have
this
million
dollars
for
community
projects.
A
That
is
completely
separate,
and
that
is
to
our
discretion
of
how
we
want
to
use
that
million
dollars.
I
think
the
reason
there's
not
been
a
good
road
map
of
how
to
use.
That
million
is
because
for
three
years
it
was
completely
consumed
by
one
project.
So
the
hot
spots,
which
was
a
project
that
took
three
years
three
over
three
years,
it
was
fixing
sidewalks
where
they
didn't
exist,
adding
stop
signs.
It
was
a
bunch
of
hotspots
identified
by
the
community
that
had
to
do
with
pedestrian
and
bicycle
safety.
R
R
A
A
There
were
all
public
safety
issues,
so
they
all
kind
of
had
a
theme
to
it
and
that
took
measure
J
that
took
us
out
of
the
game
for
three
years
and
then
it
was
also
decided,
I,
think
very
early
on
that
the
fourth
year
would
go
to
parks
and
it
became
sort
of
a
referendum
that
that
money
went
to
the
downtown
park.
So
for
four
years
it's
been
a
no-brainer,
and
now
this
new
Commission
we're
looking
at
oh
we've
were
through
these
projects.
A
We
need
to
now
move
forward
and
we
really
don't
have
a
lot
presented
to
us
at
this
point.
So
that
is
and
and
there's
a
road
map-
and
you
can
look
at
that
for
each
meeting.
It
kind
of
shows
a
little
bit
of
what
the
purpose
of
each
meeting
and
the
purpose
for
this
month
and
November
I
believe
was
to
kind
of
discuss.
A
Not
talking
about
anything
else,
so
I
I
say
we
table
this
for
next
month
under
all
business
and
I
want
us
next
month.
I
want
us
to
think
about
this.
We
can
each
present
an
idea
and
on
how
we
want
to
communicate
this
so
and
I
took
notes
and
it
looks
like.
Basically,
we
want
to
community
communicate
to
Commission's
to
one
PS,
possibly
website
outreach
through
the
city
website
and
maybe
potentially
a
special
meeting
that
happens
in
the
evenings,
and
then
we
can
look.
A
We
can
discuss
how
that
communication
should
happen
like
ie
to
the
Commission's.
We
did
go
to
the
one
PS
last
month
we
presented
to
them
and
you
know
we're
happy
to
present
them
a
challenge
of
hey.
Let's
do
your
outreach
funnel
and
it's
great
and
then
one
PS
makes
a
recommendation
to
us
and
they
kind
of
filter.
It.
P
Yes,
they
have
the
right
to
come
here
and,
yes,
they
can
either
they
can
submit
a
community
action
for
them,
and
we
can
do
that
separate
whether
we
have
a
March,
big,
open
forum
or
community
things
like
Naomi
sure
Soto
is
saying
as
well.
So
I
would
just
suggest
that,
as
we
develop
things,
we
make
sure
or
go
to
community
meetings
that
we
make
sure
it's
mentioned.
Yeah.
A
N
A
And
that's
that's
tough
on
a
printed
material
because
you
know
you
never
know
if
our
meeting
meetings
are
gonna
change
or
something
but
I
mean,
if
there's
a
short
shelf
life
on
this
yeah,
you
could
print
that
we
meet
the
30-hour.
I
F
Yeah
one
other
thing
that
I'd,
like
one
other
thing,
I'd
like
to
request,
and
we
got
a
little
bit
of
feedback.
J
From
staff
that,
in
previous
iterations
of
this,
when
we
solicited
proposals
that
there
were
some
hard
lessons
learned
so
I'd
like
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
those,
so
we
don't
reinvent
the
wheel,
I
mean
if
we've
learned
some
things
in
previous
iterations
of
this.
That
would
be
helpful.
I
would
certainly
like
to
hear
about
that
as
well.
Right.
G
B
O
Tell
you
what
she
told
me
was
that
so
the
first
you
know,
measure
J
was
brand
new
wide
net
right.
Anybody
could
submit
anything
they
wanted.
They
got
about
268
submissions.
The
commission
had
to
read
all
all
of
the
proposals,
so
you
can
imagine
how
you
know
to
page
submit.
Oh
how
long
I
would
take
one
of
her
concerns
was
that
you
know
there
were
some
suggestions
that
staff
already
knew
about
it
was
already
in
the
pipeline.
It
was
already
in
the
works.
O
Other
things
is
that
you
know
when
I
her
comments
was
that
everybody
thought
they
were
a
traffic
engineer.
So
when
they
asked
for
a
stop
sign
and
didn't
get
the
stop
sign,
they
were
absolutely
sure
that
that
stop
sign
was
needed,
but
you
know
there
are.
You
know,
studies
that
are
done
to
make
sure
that
those
signs
are
warranted.
Those
studies
cost
money,
and
so,
just
if
staff
were
to
say
hey,
we
already
know
that
that
stop
sign
is
not
warranted.
You
know
we
don't
want
to
spend
$3,000
on
a
study
that
wasn't
good
enough.
O
They
wanted
the
study
done
so
that
it
would
say
no
and
that
could
be
given
to
them,
and
so
those
are
the
kind
of
lessons
that
were
learned
over
time,
and
so,
as
the
Commission
started,
a
change
people
had
different
ideas.
You
know,
maybe
we
should
start
funding,
get
a
bigger
bang
for
our
buck.
So
what
Christine
was
saying
is
that
why
don't
we
go
after
grants
that
had
matching
funds?
O
So,
for
example,
the
city
got
six
million
dollars
worth
of
sivak
grant,
but
the
city
had
to
put
up
two
million
dollars
of
matching
funds
so
that
two
million
dollars
came
from
mr.
Jay,
so
two
million
dollars
of
measure
a
fund's
brought
in
six
million
dollars
worth
of
grant
money,
and
so
they
that
mix
of
Commissioners
thought
that
was
a
better
use
of
their
time
and
resources.
O
So
when
you
look
at
the
list
of
completed
projects,
you'll
see
the
early
years
they
were
like
one
project
was
two
hundred
dollars.
One
project
was
fifty
five
dollars.
You
know
very
little
projects
and
then,
as
you
go
over
the
years,
you
will
see
a
smaller
list
of
projects,
but
bigger
dollar
amounts.
O
Again
now
we
have
a
different
mix
of
commissioners.
It's
open
to.
You
know
how
you
felt
I
mean
a
lot
of
you
ran
or
applied
for
this
saying
that
we
needed
to
do
more
outreach.
We
needed
to
do
you
know,
so
the
pendulum,
in
my
view,
is
swinging
back
and
forth.
How
intensive
or
how
easy
you
want
to
make
it.
It's
all
up
to
you.
O
You
know
we
are
here
to
support
you,
but
if
you
know,
if
you're
getting
bogged
down
and
all
these
applications-
and
we
you
know,
we
have
to
do
something
with
all
that
information.
Like
you
said
it,
it's
probably
going
to
be
some
mix
of.
What's
going
on,
but
I
believe
the
first
hotspots,
one
really
took
a
lot
of
time
that
in
their
head,
dragged
them
to
the
other
end
of
the
pendulum
where
it
was.
Let's
do
something
a
little
easier
because
we're
exhausted
from
the
first
experience
and
then
most
of
those
have
cycled
out.
O
So
you
guys
are
a
new
Commission.
You
can
make
it
what
you
want
it
to
be:
we're
happy
to
support
you
in
whatever
decision
you
make,
but
I
don't
want
to
skew
in
either
direction.
I
do
agree
with
everything
you
said:
some
kind
of
a
mix
to
get
this
million
dollars,
because
this
1
million
dollars
is
at
your
discretion
and
city
council
at
the
last
meeting
in
the
joint
meeting
reaffirm
that
we
do
want
to
give
you
that
discretion
on
how
to
spend
that
million
dollars.
The
best
way
you
feel
fit
for
the
community.
O
I
I'll
make
it
brief
around
three
and
a
half.
Four
years
ago,
Christine
Hammond
started
going
out
and
she
came
to
the
Parks
and
Recreation
Commission
I
was
the
chairman
at
the
time
and
said
we'd
like
you
to
bring
something
to
measure
J
that
you
feel
is
really
needed,
and
so
we
put
together
a
proposal
to
redesign
sunrise
park
because
of
the
situation
with
the
homeless.
That's
going
on
what
could
be
done
for
the
children
for
the
parks,
everything
that's
going
on
there
and
there
were
14
or
15.
I
This
room
was
full
of
organizations
that
came
here
with
their
proposals
and
the
Commission
listened
to
them
all.
They
decided
to
pick
two
parks
and
recreation
was
awarded
two
million
dollars
over
a
period
of
four
years,
but
there
was
a
caveat
put
to
it
by
one
of
the
commissioners.
Unless
we
need
that
two
million
for
the
downtown
park,
they
then
voted
and
said
we
need
it
for
the
downtown
park.
Forget
the
two
million.
We
just
told
you
and
that's
what
happened.
That's
around
three
and
a
half
years
ago.