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F
A
A
In
favor
high
comments,
this
time
has
been
set
aside
for
the
residents
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
the
consent,
calendar
and
other
items
on
the
agenda
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
Planning
Commission.
Please
note
that
the
Commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
on
items
that
have
not
been
agendized
each
meeting.
Each
speaker
will
have
three
minutes
members
of
the
public
who
are
here
to
testify
on
items
2a,
2b
and
2c.
A
A
There's
there's
difficulty
with
the
with
this
mic,
so
bear
with
me.
If
you
wish,
if
you
can
testify
on
the
three
hearing
items
we
have
before
us,
they're
all
public
hearing
items
so
you'll
be
able
to
testify
at
that
time
or
you
can
come
forward
now.
If
you
do
come
forward,
you'll
be
sitting
at
the
microphone
at
the
edge.
Is
it
which
microphone
are
they
at
oh
I?
The
podium
and
you'll
have
three
minutes.
G
Mulch
and
I
am
testifying
for
the
zone
amendment
to
the
redevelopment
of
golf
courses
and
I
am
in
favor
of
not
changing
the
general
plan.
I
think
the
general
plan
really
built
kind
of
set
the
precedent
for
what
the
community
is
and
what
it
went
for.
Unfortunately,
I
think
it
should
have
had
some
corridor
sit
in
some
natural
corridors
at
some
point,
but
that
wasn't
done,
and
that's
neither
here
nor
there,
but
going
forward,
is
where
we
can
go
from
from
this
point.
G
I
think
there
are
a
lot
of
people
that,
maybe
you
don't
know
about,
or
maybe
I'm
here,
to
tell
you
about
that.
There's
a
huge
constituency
that
I
I
would
like
you
to
consider.
When
you
make
these
decisions
of
how
much
open
space
to
save
I
would
say,
save
it
all.
It
was
designated
as
open
space
there's
so
many
people
that
have
moved
here
and
spent
their
life
here
enjoying
that
open
space
and
it
again
has
built
the
community.
So
it
sets
the
precedent
for
who
we
are
and
here
to
tell
you
that
today.
G
B
H
It
is
a
pickling
problem
because
we're
functioning
in
the
city
with
open
spaces
only,
but
it's
not
realistic
to
believe
that
the
golf
courses
are
going
to
go
on
forever,
but
somewhere
between
that
and
keeping
us
open
as
a
more
desirable
course
to
take
I.
Think
the
subcommittee
doing
the
report
on
your
current
position
was
very
well
taken.
That's
the
body,
I
hope
after
you
hear
us
today,
you'll
get
an
understanding
that
there's
a
soul
and
that
soul
goes
to
our
heart
that
we
came
here.
H
This
is
what
this
city
is
all
about
open
spaces
and
we
should
not
be
intimidated
on
closing
down
and
making
residential
I
have
looked
at
the
golf
courses
in
depth
depth.
If
you
take
a
single
for
house,
50
feet
away
from
the
borderline,
and
you
go
up
you're
not
going
to
see
the
mountains
and
the
trees
and
the.
H
And
the
water
flow
on
the
swamps
and
the
and
all
the
other
things
have
taken
the
place.
So
what
I'm
asking
today
is
that
we
have
the
body,
let's
move
to
the
soul,
what
the
city
is
all
about
and
take
a
good
healthy
look
at
what
is
good
for
our
homeowners,
who
paid
their
money
and
they
lived
here
for
that
same
special
reason.
Thank
you.
H
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
honorable
planning,
Commissioner
members
staff
counsel,
my
name
is
Wayne
Quranic
I
am
corporate
counsel
for
mr.
heat,
Country,
Club
economy
and
homeowners
association
as
well
as
excuse
me,
many
of
the
surrounding
economy
associations
around
the
mesquite
Country
Club
golf
course
I
have
been
working
with
the
subcommittee
attending
many
other
meetings.
I
want
to
commend
them
for
the
subcommittee's
job.
H
E
My
name
is
bill
white
I'm,
a
board
member
with
the
mesquite
Country
Club
HOA,
and
we
very
much
support
this
as
a
board.
We
represent
600
condos
around
the
golf
course
and
this
order
desist
not
to
close
the
golf
course,
but
if
the
Golf
Course
does
close
and
wants
to
develop,
there's
a
procedure
which
they
have
to
follow,
which
makes
it
a
lot
more
feasible
for
both
the
whole
numbers
and
the
golf
course
people.
They
know
what
they're
doing
we
know
what
they
have
to
do
before
we
get
into
it.
Thank
you.
H
H
Good
afternoon,
Arthur
macmillan
a
29
year
resident
at
neski
golf
course
full
time
when
I
first
moved
here,
sunrise
Park
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
chose
to
live
where
I
purchased
my
condo
today,
I,
don't
think
the
word
Park
should
be
a
part
of
Sunrise
anymore.
It's
really
no
longer
a
park
or
open
space,
its
buildings,
its
facilities
and
it's
a
parking
lot.
H
I,
don't
really
see
people
going
over
there
to
enjoy
it
as
a
park
or
open
space
anymore
across
from
my
backyard,
when
I
originally
purchased
29
years
ago,
I
used
to
overlook
sunrise
nursery
which
took
up
the
whole
city
block
along
sunrise
and
now
I,
look
at
desert,
Chapel
school
canvas
buildings
and
parking
lots
again.
My
open
space
went
away,
all
I
have
left
and
my
neighborhood
is
the
mesquite
Golf,
Course
and
I
sincerely.
H
H
H
There
are
birds
there
are
hawks
Ravens,
hummingbirds
mourning
doves,
mocking
birds,
Orioles
finches,
that
inhabit
the
area
where
I
live
in
Mesquite.
There
are
small
mammals,
rabbits,
there
are
lizards
and
little
frogs
down
in
the
creek.
All
these
things
provide
pleasure.
They
also
have
a
right
to
some
habitat.
H
H
What
are
we
getting
in
return?
We're
getting
buildings
that
obscure
and
obstruct
views
they
obscure
and
obstruct
the
mountains,
the
trees,
the
flowers
blah
blah
and
the
water?
What
are
the
developers?
Do
we
get
the
developers
get
profit
I'm,
not
sure
what
the
city
gets.
These
buildings
will
remain
probably
empty
half
of
the
year,
at
least
so,
while
I'm
glad
to
see
you
addressing
the
issue
of
conversion,
I'd
really
rather
see
more
open
space
preserved
in
the
in
a
in
the
rules
that
you
pass
I've
heard
some
people
say
can't
it
be
increased
to
70%.
H
Can
there
be
other
open
space
preserved
to
make
up
for
open
space?
That's
lost
in
that
within
the
city.
Certainly,
like
my
fellow
members
here,
I,
don't
want
to
see
the
mesquite
Golf
Course
go
away
and
again,
you
know
I
want
you
to
think
of
what
what
people
have
come
here
for
and
it's
not
just
for
the
neon
lights
and
big
hotels
and
so
on.
It's
also
for
the
surrounding
space,
with
the
beautiful
trees,
the
mountains,
the
the
wildlife
that
would
exist
within
our
city
as
part
of
the
pleasure
of
being
here.
Thank
you.
H
H
H
What
I
feel
is
necessary
is
the
involvement
of
the
public
I've
come
in
at
the
end
of
this
testimony,
but
obviously
there's
people
who
have
a
lot
of
passionate
feelings
about
this,
so
I
would
suggest
we
have
a
public
forum
very
similar
to
like
we
did
for
the
Downtown
Development
and
for
the
park
where
you
get
people
to
come
in
and
give
their
creative
input
as
to
how
they
would
like
to
see
this
land
developed.
So
that's
what
I'm
here
to
say.
H
I
Afternoon
my
name's
dick
Burkett
lived
in
the
city
for
thirteen
years
now.
One
of
the
things
that
brought
us
here
well
actually
were
three
or
four
one
was
the
fact
that
the
architecture
in
the
community,
but
the
focus
that
it
has,
but
also
the
open
spaces.
We
moved
here
from
Fort
Lauderdale
Florida,
which
was
an
urban
setting,
and
we
were
totally
shocked
when
we
came
into
the
city
to
see
how
the
open
spaces
here,
what
a
difference
it
made
as
well
as
the
white
streets.
We
were
not
used
to
that.
I
So
we've
gotten
sort
of
spoiled
I.
Guess
that's
the
point.
What
I
would
ask
is
that
if
there
is
going,
if
this
is
going
to
go
forward,
two
things,
one
that
there
be
more
generous
setback
for
those
residential
properties
that
border
the
golf
course
and
two
rather
than
fifty
percent
open,
actually
sixty
to
seventy
percent
open.
I
A
A
A
Okay,
1b
is
the
Planning
Commission
resolution
Joop
approval
to
defer
making
appointments
to
the
architectural
Advisory
Committee,
where
terms
are
to
set
to
expire
on
June
30th
2018.
The
comment
this
affects
two
of
our
members
are
chip
ace
chair
of
the
architectural
advisory
committee.
The
consul
basically
extended
all
terms
that
we're
going
to
expire,
to
allow
our
diversity
consultants
in
the
city
to
encourage
more
more
diversity
on
our
boards
and
commissions,
and
that's
the
reason
that
we're
extending
this
both
of
the
people
that
we're
extending
our
exemplary.
J
K
D
A
L
Chair
and
planning,
commissioners,
this
item
is
a
request
for
a
conditional
use,
permit
land
use,
permit
and
minor
architectural
application
to
renovate
and
establish
restaurant
uses
at
the
commercial
property
1466
North
Palm
Canyon
Drive.
Currently
it
is
the
Skylark
Hotel,
the
applicant
plans
to
rebrand
the
property
as
the
tangerine
hotel.
The
project
involves
two
restaurant
spaces
within
the
development
within
the
existing
floor
area
of
the
hotel.
One
is
a
22
C
cafe
that
would
replace
the
Lobby
that
currently
exists
at
the
southwest
corner
of
the
property.
L
They
would
also
establish
a
25
C
full-service
restaurant,
at
the
rear
of
the
property
which
is
identified
on
the
site
plan
as
the
library
and
lounge
as
a
part
of
the
renovation.
They
do
propose
to
demolish
172
square
feet,
adjacent
to
the
new
cafe
at
the
front,
which
is
partially
the
lobby
area
and
do
a
small
addition
at
the
rear
for
laundry
space
and
restrooms
at
the
north
east
corner
of
the
property.
L
So
the
cafe
at
the
front
of
the
property,
the
hours
of
operation
are
proposed
from
7:00
a.m.
to
5:00
p.m.
and
the
hours
of
operation
for
the
restaurant
at
the
rear
of
the
property
are
from
5:00
p.m.
to
11:00
p.m.
so
they
would
have
alternating
hours
the
rent
of
the
renovation
of
the
hotel.
You
can
see
the
existing
on
the
screen
here.
The
this
is
a
photo
of
the
existing
frontage.
They
intend
to
remodel
the
facade
of
the
entry
with
the
new
design,
which
you
see
here,
including
some
new
materials.
L
What
you
see
in
the
middle
of
the
elevation
here
is
a
precast
concrete
screen,
they're
proposing
terrazzo
tile
on
the
left
side
of
the
facade
here
on
the
screen
and
some
repainting
of
the
stucco
and
reconfiguring
as
I
said,
of
the
entry
lobby.
So
this
is
the
Palm
Canyon
frontage
that
you
see
here
on
the
screen
as
part
of
that
renovation
of
the
front
they
are
proposing
to
modify
the
existing
parking
area,
which
currently
has
some
parking
a
circular
driveway
on
the
frontage.
L
L
L
Of
the
items
that
is
being
requested
under
this
reject
is
a
land
use
permit
to
waive
certain
parking
requirements.
You
can
see
on
page
5
of
your
staff
report,
there's
a
parking
analysis
of
what
would
be
required
under
current
standards
for
a
29
room
hotel,
as
well
as
the
25
seat
capacity
restaurant,
because
they
would
not
operate
simultaneously
there.
The
maximum
capacity
at
any
one
time
would
be
25
seats.
Based
on
that
those
numbers,
we
would
get
a
total
of
35
parking
spaces
required
with
the
remodel
of
the
parking
areas.
L
They
would
have
26
spaces,
which
would
lead
to
a
deficiency
of
nine
parking
spaces.
The
zoning
code
does
have
a
provision
to
allow
for
a
waiver
of
a
portion
or
all
of
the
parking
spaces
within
the
land
use
permit
section
of
the
code,
so
the
applicant
does
meet
all
the
criteria
that
would
be
necessary
for
the
waiver
of
the
parking
and
has
requested
to
such
with
the
land
use.
Permit
staff
noted
initially
some
concerns
with
this
because
of
the
nine
spaces
that
would
be
required.
L
The
Afghan
has
responded
by
by
noting
that
they
would
stripe
the
parking
on
street
adjacent
to
the
property
to
accommodate
Timm
parking
spaces
on
camino
Monta
Vista.
So
you
can
see
those
spaces
on
the
site
here
on
the
screen,
so
those
are
10
parking
spaces
that
would
be
off-site
on
the
street
adjacent
to
the
property.
While
those
are
non-exclusive
to
the
site,
they
would
be
available
for
patrons
that
visit
that
are
visiting
the
property.
L
Staff
has
provided
findings
in
support
of
the
project
for
the
applications
that
are
proposed
in
the
draft
resolution
before
you.
This
item
was
reviewed
by
the
architectural
Advisory
Committee
and
they
did
recommend
approval
on
June
4th
of
this
year.
They
recommended
approval
as
presented.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
one
last
thing
I
would
note
is
that
staff
has
received
two
calls
from
members
of
the
public
on
this
item.
One
of
the
members
just
was
requesting
additional
information.
L
Another
member
was
the
neighbor
to
the
north,
who
said
that
they
would
not
be
able
to
attend
today
or
be
able
to
submit
additional
correspondence
what
they
were
concerned
with
the
waiver
of
the
parking
so
I
just
wanted
to.
Let
the
Commissioner
know
that
that
that's
the
correspondence
that
staff
has
received
with
the
public.
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
B
L
So
the
there
are
providing
two
new
restroom
spaces
for
the
restaurant
space,
so
those
would
be
would
be
required
to
be
88
compliant.
They
are
proposing
one
of
the
spaces
on
Palm
Canyon.
The
Palm
Canyon
is
frontage
to
be
an
88
accessible
space,
so
they
are
bringing
it
closer
to
conformance,
if
not
completely,
in
components
under.
E
Yes,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
parking
first
on
what
was
the
street?
That's
on
Camino,
Monta,
Vista
and
there'll.
Be
ten
spaces.
I
have
a
cannot
I
can't
say
it
that
way
there
would
be.
There
is
my
understanding,
no
sidewalk
on
Camino
Monta
Vista
correct,
so
the
any
persons
that
would
be
parking
on
that
street
would
have
to
walk
in
the
street
to
get
to
the
the
hotel
either
either
way
to
the
canyon
entrance
or
the
North
Palm
Canyon
Drive
entrance
and
staff
is
comfortable
with
walk
them.
Persons
walking
in
the
street.
L
There
you'll
see
what
we
have
in
the
conditions
of
approval.
There
are
some
requirements
to
install
those
items
at
some
point
in
the
future.
So
at
this
point
there's
nothing
that
would
be
a
major
concern.
This
is
a
local
street,
it's
not
a
major
thoroughfare,
so
it
would
not
be
uncommon
for
someone
to
you
use
the
street
to
get
to
their
destination.
L
A
C
L
C
Thanks
then,
the
other
question
I
had
also
involved
parking,
but
when
you
do
an
analysis
like
this
I'm
trying
to
think
back
to
where
we
had
a
similar
request
were
there
was
an
existing
hotel
and
then
they
were
adding
other
functions.
Restaurant
functions.
Do
you
take
into
account
that
some
of
the
restaurant
patrons
may
or
would
also
be
staying
at
the
hotel
anyway?.
L
So
the
zoning
code,
in
terms
of
the
requirements
for
off
street
parking,
has
two
standards
for
restaurant
spaces.
The
standard
for
a
standalone
restaurant
without
other
uses
associated
with
it
is
one
parking
space
for
three
seats.
When
we
look
at
the
requirements
for
hotel
uses,
it
is
a
lesser,
intense
requirement.
So
I
there
is
some
economies
in
parking.
If
you
will
consider
when
we
look
at
the
one
per
5,
seats,
isn't
and
said:
ok,
yeah.
J
L
When
we
initially
received
the
application,
we
had
worked
with
the
applicant
and
a
couple
of
different
and
a
couple
of
different
options
to
proceed,
so
they
did
have
some
higher
seating
accounts
and
ultimately,
we,
it
was
part
down
some
to
really
comply
with.
What
we
see
would
be
necessary
for
the
zoning
code
requirements.
L
They
did
study
offsite
parking
on
properties
in
the
area,
so
they
did
have
something
that
was
kind
of
preliminary
for
a
property
southwest
of
this
site,
but
instead
they
chose
to
proceed
with
the
waiver
request
and
in
order
to,
as
a
part
of
that,
we
also
said
you
know
you
in
order
to
adjust
some
of
the
parking
impacts
that
would
be
associated
with
the
use.
You're
gonna
have
to
do
something,
and
that's
where
we
came
up
to
the
conclusion,
with
the
on-street
parking
great.
D
You
know,
as
we
know,
9
parking
spaces,
which
is
what
they're
asking
the
waiver
for
has
a
a
cost
to
it.
There's
a
price
to
it
and
that
price
can
be
sometimes
as
much
as
a
small
car
cost
the
city.
In
this
proposal
it
would
be
giving
up
its
right
avoid
space
to
meet
that
required
parking.
Does
the
city
have
an
in
lieu
fee
program
for
parking.
L
D
L
L
L
A
L
A
A
H
C
K
A
J
Questions:
okay:
this
question
is,
for
the
applicant
I
believe
along
Camino
Monte
Vista,
that
side
of
the
building
there
are
existing
windows
in
the
structure,
but
they've.
H
H
I
C
H
H
And
and
they're
attached
from
the
top
to
the
bottom
and
there
you
know
it's:
it's
the
precast
concrete.
E
H
E
E
B
I
B
A
A
H
M
It's
similar
to
what's
being
done
in
a
lot
of
our
properties
around
Palm
Springs.
You
see
this
vertical
material
this
in
this
case,
it's
steel.
We
have
a
if
you
want
to
look
on
the
finish
board
of
MTO
one.
It
will
be
that
that
same
finish,
which
is
our
our
metal
finish,
which
will
which
would
be
that
element
and
also
some
metal
wrapping
on
the
faces
that
we
are
proposing.
M
M
M
That's
your
page
a3,
which
is
your
landscape
plan,
and
so
that
that
is
predominantly
shade
for
the
parking,
because
we
recognize
this
as
a
as
a
parking
lot
job
as
well.
The
building
is
requiring,
but
the
parking
lot
may
require
even
more
in
infrastructure
and
such
so
we
were
proposing
palo
verde
and
we
do
have
a
box
size
for
the
Palo
Verde
z--.
M
Most
of
your
other
other
notes
on
the
plan
are
existing
plants
so
that
that
wouldn't
require
a
size
and
of
course
the
agaves
and
the
two
agave
is
generally
come
in
a
five-gallon
unit
with
that
that
overall
size
they
don't
they
don't
come
in
15
gallon
I
mean
I,
guess
you
could
buy
him
in
15
gallon,
but
but
we
could
specify
that
more
clearly
on
the
plan.
What
that
plant
size
would
be
and.
M
S
yeah,
if
you
look
on
the
plan
well,
we
discussed
that
during
some
of
our
meetings
about
that
and
we
are
taking
an
existing
parking
lot
and
we're
putting
shade
trees
in
a
fairly
tight
space.
So
we
need
to
work
out
some
of
those
clearances
and
and
we've
had
some
experience.
Putting
trees
in
some
existing
locations
and
thirty-six
box
is
pretty
much
about
what
you
can
get
in
without
any
broom
and
spare
so
we're
putting
in
lighting
and
such
so.
We
would
like
to
do
a
36
inch
box,
but
we
talked
about
it.
M
J
You,
since
the
architect
is
here,
my
question
pertains
to
rooftop
mechanical
equipment
you're,
showing
a
new
area
over
the
cafe
for
some
rooftop
mechanical
and
I.
Guess
two
points:
that's
the
new
portion
of
the
building.
I
guess
my
concern
is
that
even
your
drawing
showing
the
mechanical
equipment
actually
peeking
up
above
so
I
guess.
My
question
is:
are
those
the
accurate
sizes
for
those
units
sabbatical.
M
Ii,
yes,
what
we,
what
we
are
proposing
is
that,
of
course,
they
would
be
screened
appropriately,
but
in
in
planning
the
cafe,
with
a
and
and
what
rooftop
equipment,
which
is
which
is
going
to
be
probably
a
split
system
and
an
evaporative
cooler.
So,
of
course,
there's
there's
a
lot
of
variability
and
the
sizes
of
those,
but
we
did
retrofit
that
front
building
to
bring
that
parapet
up
substantially
to
to
satisfy
that,
and
so
we
are
not
quite
there.
J
M
J
M
Well,
that's
a
current
kitchen,
that's
approved
by
the
Health
Department,
and
it
operates
as
a
as
a
Health
Department
kitchen,
but
I
was
only
allowed
by
hotel
guests.
So
that
is
what
we
are
expanding
here.
Is
we
have
a
kitchen
back
there
now
that
that
is
run
and
he
he
runs
it
as
a
kitchen
for
his
hotel
guests.
The
idea
is
to
open
it
up
to
the
public,
so
the
menu
is
such
that
you
can
see
when
we
when
we
started
working
on
the
F
and
B
concept
was
to
minimize
equipment.
M
We
don't
want
to
put
a
type
of
restaurant
in
there,
so
you
can
see
through
them
through
the
menu
where
we're
we're,
staying
low
touch
on
things
like
that,
so
we're
not
proposing
a
and
fryers
and
such
so.
We
we
are
expecting
with
the
concept
of
the
F
and
B
plan
right
now
to
to
work
within
his
existing
equipment
in
the
back,
and
we
are
expanding
that
in
the
front
with
the
cafe,
with
the
limited
hours
great.
M
A
B
B
B
E
Still
concerned
about
the
walking
in
the
street,
but
there's
not
much,
we
can
do
about
it.
I
guess
with
this.
With
this,
the
site
plan
I'm
I'm
a
little
concerned
that
there's
not
enough
landscaping
and
I
recognized
that
too
and
more
landscaping
we'd
have
to
sacrifice
some
parking
and
I
wouldn't
like
to
hear
if
there's
any
other
commissioners
that
are
interested
in
making
that
sort
of
trade-off
and
if
it
would
be
possible
we'll
see
you
see
if
there's
any
other
interest.
F
C
L
However,
we
also
understand
that
you
have
to
have
Nexus,
that's
related
to
the
project
that
is
being
proposed
so
because
they're
not
doing
any
significant
additions.
All
of
the
work
to
the
site
is
essentially
cosmetic.
We
felt
it
was
important
to
include
these
so
that
staff
could
capture
these
in
the
future.
Should
they
decide
to
exercise
those
deferrals
but
at
the
same
time
not
imposed
so
many
things
that
would
make
the
project
infeasible
to
require
the
applicants
to
do
them
at
this
time.
F
Happen,
let
me
just
jump
in
and
answer
that.
Typically,
we
would
look
at
things
like
an
increase
in
traffic
and
increase
in
use
on
the
side
or
other
impacts
which
are
over
and
above
what
we
see
from
the
use
before
you
today.
So
we
would
look
at
factors
such
as
additional
traffic
and
things
like
that.
As
being
the
triggering
points
for
calling
those
covenants
and.
C
F
F
Number
of
ways
either
comments
from
the
community
asking
us
to
investigate
traffic.
It
could
be
from
the
regular
traffic
counts
that
we
do
on
our
city
streets.
It
could
be
a
request
from
the
applicant
to
intensify
the
use
any
of
those
things
might
trigger
that
for
us
to
study
and
determine
if
there
is
a
need
to
call
the
company
for
those
types
of
items.
Okay,
when.
B
C
Well,
thank
you
that
that
was
helpful.
I
support
the
project
hundred
percent
I'm,
okay
with
the
Covenant
and
I'm,
also
okay,
with
the
landscaping
really
either
than
the
staff
report.
I,
don't
I,
don't
have
any
additional
comments.
I'd
like
to
attach
to
this
project.
J
You
sorry
about
the
mic
here.
First
of
all,
I
would
concur
that
I
am
I,
think
this
project
is
wonderful,
I
think
the
architecture,
the
the
branding
of
this
project,
it's
gonna,
be
very
successful.
I
to
live
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
often
go
by
this
site.
I
concur
with
Commissioner
donenfeld
I,
don't
think.
Actually
the
sidewalk
along
Camino,
Monte
Vista
is
necessary
or
even
desirable,
because
I
think
that
the
additional
landscaping
that's
being
shown
there
is
actually
much
more
successful
and
will
be
a
much
greater
addition
to
that.
J
Street
I'm
not
worried
about
the
safety
issue
pertaining
to
the
sidewalk
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
my
major
initial
question
to
to
David,
though
about
the
hours
of
operation
of
the
cafe
and
the
restaurant,
my
point
being
that
I
live
in
the
neighborhood
I've
seen
what
a
difference
the
arrived
hotel
has
made.
What
a
difference
the
sandfish
restaurant
has
made
in
terms
of
activating
the
sidewalk
with
outdoor
dining
spaces
and
I
think
it
would
be
a
shame
to
limit
this
project.
J
The
hours
of
operation
of
that
cafe,
to
the
extent
where
the
applicant
would
not
have
the
possibility
of
operating
that
cafe
in
the
evening
I
realized
that
it's
a
tied
to
the
parking
and
that
it
was
discussed
and
that
the
parking
proposal
as
stands
in
this
middle,
was
based
on
that
agreement.
Personally,
I'll
go
out
on
a
limb
here.
D
Think
extending
the
hours
of
operation
and
activating
this
will
not
be
a
detriment
to
the
neighborhood
I
do
not
believe
it
will
be
a
detriment
to
parking,
because
it's
a
different
group
of
people
for
shared
parking
in
the
day
and
I
would
support
any
motion
that
would
extend
those
hours
for
the
cafe
that
is
on
North
Palm
Canyon
I
would
also
like
to
request
a
bicycle
parking
we
put
in,
especially
since
we're
doing
a
parking
reduction
for
this.
It's
a
minor
cost.
The
applicant
has
agreed
to
that.
I
also
think.
D
If
we're
going
to
use
the
street
striping,
both
sides
is
a
very,
very
inexpensive
way
to
organize
street
parking
and
actually
get
parking.
That's
better.
The
last
thing
that
I
want
to
say
is
the
sidewalk.
Oh,
it
seems
very
mixed
up
on
the
Commission
now
I
want
to
tell
you
from
personal
experience.
My
mother
is
in
a
walker
and
I
used
that
Street
and
I
could
not
get
her
out
of
the
passenger's
side,
which
is
where
which
is
adjacent
to
this
hotel.
It
will
not
lose
landscaping
to
put
in
a
sidewalk.
D
The
applicant
in
in
our
in
Luffy
alone,
is
saving
eighteen
thousand
nine
hundred
dollars
on
this
project
by
the
parking
I
give
us
a
if
we
were
to
approve
a
parking
waiver.
It
is
a
small
expenditure
for
somebody
who
is
handicapped
to
get
out
of
that
driver's
side.
Excuse
me
the
passenger
side
door,
even
if
they
then
walk
into
the
street
I
think
it
is
very
minor
and
I
think
we
need
to
start
building
our
infrastructure
piece
by
piece
as
these
projects
come
in.
A
A
A
And
I
would
have
a
concern
about
that
as
I
went
there
and
parked
yesterday
to
look
at
it.
I
noticed
that
people
were
randomly
parking
on
both
sides
of
the
street
and
that
many
spaces
were
lost
by
the
fact
that
people
didn't
park
in
distinct
spaces,
so
I
I
think
you
would
gain
whatever
parking.
You
would
gain
parking
by
stripe
by
striping
both
sides
of
the
street.
Even
if
people
use
it
question
for
staff
in
terms
of
the
hours
of
operation
of
both
facilities,
what
did
they
originally
request?
H
A
L
A
A
Would
you
have
a
problem
with
doing
it
in
both
spaces?
No
okay,
I
think
at
this
point
the
issue
is
before
the
Commission.
There
is
a
drop-off
space.
Currently,
the
in
the
front.
There
is
a
space
where
you
could
drop
a
person
off
who
is
handicapped,
who
is
in
a
walker,
there's
a
turn
around
just
okay.
Thank
you.
N
N
Before
the
Commission
considers
further
I
just
wanted
to
point
out,
one
thing
about
the
parking
proposal
for
across
the
street
from
the
hotel
staff
has
already
looked
at
having
them
restriped
the
parking
adjacent
to
the
hotel
and
staff
is
satisfied
that
the
city
has
the
legal
authority
under
land
use
and
access
to
require
the
developer
to
stripe,
those
that
those
are
proportional
to
the
impact
of
the
hotel
striping.
On
the
other
side,
that
would
be
a
question.
We'd
have
to
look
at
a
little
bit
further
with.
A
N
D
Make
a
motion,
madam
chair
I,
would
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
project
with
the
following
conditions
of
approval,
one
that
the
hours
of
the
cafe
be
from
7:00
a.m.
to
11:00
be
allowed
from
7
a.m.
to
11
p.m.
to
the
bicycle
parking
be
provided
three,
depending
on
what
the
city
attorney
says
straight
both
sides
of
the
street
and
lastly,
to
put
in
a
sidewalk,
particularly
because
the
sidewalk
is
not
just
for
users
of
the
hotel,
but
for
the
the
city
in
general.
That's
my
motion.
J
A
I
Our
typical
encroachment
permit
is
just
under
$600,
which
covers
the
permit
fee,
plus
the
inspections,
but
just
the
installation
of
the
sidewalk
alone.
At
the
current
grade
that
it
is
kind
of
poses
a
problem
you
do
have
some
existing
ficus
do
not
have
a
lot
of
space
between
the
curb
and
the
existing
building,
and,
if
you
put
in
the
sidewalk
at
the
required
2%
cross
fall,
that's
required.
You
may
end
up
with
a
small
retaining
wall
which
may
damage
those
existing
ficus
which
make
it
into
the
surcharge
of
the
building.
C
M
I
That
would
just
be
considered
landscaping.
It
does
not
meet
a
DA
standards
for
public
transit,
so
the
other
out.
The
other
thing
is
to
at
each
end
of
the
sidewalk
on
Indian
and
on
Palm
Canyon.
There
is
currently
not
enough
right
away,
and
you
also
have
problems
with
the
current
grades
as
how
the
sidewalk
would
connect
to
each
one
of
those
curb
returns
at
each
end
of
the
intersection
it,
but
it
does
pose
a
problem
so.
C
D
And
I'm
looking
to
see
the
distance
between
the
property
line
and
the
curb
and
I
don't
see
a
distance
there
and
I,
unfortunately,
don't
have
a
measuring
with
me
or
to
know
if
this
is
a
scale
to
know
what
that
distance
might
be.
That's
actually
City
property
and
the
reason
I'm
asking
this
question
is
you
know,
there's
a
liability
issue
to
the
city
as
well.
If
we
do
nothing
if
somebody
trips
and
falls
within
there
or
sprains
their
ankle,
so
I'm
trying
to
find
a
solution
that
works.
Obviously
the
cost
solution
is
about
the
same.
D
I
It's
not
dimensioned
here
on
this
this
plan
here,
I,
don't
I,
do
not
have
the
other
planets
back
in
my
office,
but
I
believe
we
only
had
five
feet
in
there
to
actually
work
with,
which
really
is
not
enough
room
to
put
in
a
potential
curve
or
the
full
width
sidewalk.
So
they
would
end
up
having
to
give
us
an
easement
across
part
of
their
property
as
well,
and
it
just
it
really
just
complicates
the
whole
sidewalk
along
camino
money.
The.
D
I
D
F
The
motion
by
the
Planning
Commission
is
as
follows:
to
approve
the
project
with
the
following
additional
conditions:
number
one
is
to
revise
planning
condition,
number
10
so
that
the
cafe
hours
are
from
7:00
a.m.
until
11
p.m.
number.
2
is
to
require
bicycle
parking,
although
it
was
not
specifically
stated
in
the
motion.
I
believe
the
request
was
to
have
bicycle
parking
in
the
palm
canyon
side,
as
well
as
on
the
Indian
Canyon
side.
The
third
condition
to
be
added
was
to
stripe
both
sides
of
the
street.
F
There
is
some
investigation
by
the
city
attorney
on
that
particular
item,
but
the
applicant
has
agreed
on
record
number.
4
is
the
original
condition
was
for
a
sidewalk
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
in
place
of
that
it
would
be
requiring
a
D
G
path
along
that
side
of
the
street
and
then
condition
number
5
was
that
the
trees
be
a
minimum
of
36
inch
box
size.
F
C
A
We
have
a
motion
in
front
of
us.
Are
there
any
comments
about
the
motion
from
the
other
commissioners
there
being
none
other
I
just
want
to
say
that
chime
in
that
I
think
the
renderings
are
beautiful
and
I'm.
Looking
forward
to
that
area
of
town
just
being
more
enhanced
than
it
already
has
been
it's
terrific,
and
would
you
call
to
vote
call
please.
B
K
A
A
E
The
city
has
already
lost
two
golf
courses,
one
which
is,
though
it
was
called:
the
white
water,
Golf,
Course
and
Palm
Springs,
Country
Club
golf
course,
and
the
technique
that
was
used
there
essentially
was
to
let
the
course
die
and
all
the
neighbors
having
to
deal
with
the
dead
golf
course
for
several
years.
The
site
was
bankrupted,
I
believe
and
then
a
proposal
for
redevelopment
came
in
and
there
wasn't
a
whole
lot
of
choice,
although
we
would
apply
to
set
up
very
heavy
conditions
to
that
project.
E
We
now
have
the
case
of
bel-air
greens
along
el
cielo,
which
has
been
let
essentially
let
go,
and
it's
now
becoming
an
eyesore,
and
we
had
rumors
and
actual
discussions
about
things
happening
was
talk
with
screech
Golf
Course.
No,
it's
not
not
talk
or
excuse
me
mesquite
Golf
Course,
although
they
seem
to
have
been
exaggerated
in
terms
of
the
legal
rights
of
what
the
of
course
there
may
be
able
to
do
there
or
not.
E
The
open
space
requirements
were
very
heavy,
remembering
that
any
development
on
its
own
would
probably
have
to
have
about
a
50%
open
space
requirement.
That's
the
typical
one
in
the
city,
so
you
would
get.
If
you
had
50%
open
space
with
this
ordinance
and
50%
with
any
development,
you
would
get
closer
to
75%,
which
is
leaving
25%
Fernet
of
actual
development.
E
Would
be
I'm
wondering
whether
it's
going
to
even
be
feasible
to
do
a
development
with
that
type
of
restriction,
but
that's
neither
here
nor
there
I
guess
so
we're
certainly
looking
for
ideas
as
to
how
to
make
it
preserve
the
open
space
as
much
as
possible
within
the
legal
constraints
that
are
upon
us,
and
this
is
a
pretty
heavy
set
of
conditions
that
we
have
here.
It
requires
extensive
public
public
opportunity
for
comment
and
working
with
the
developers.
It
requires
extensive
analysis
of
all.
E
The
alternate
is
from
preservation
of
the
golf
course
to
a
smaller
golf
course
to
offering
it
for
public
use
or
for
some
other
open
space
use.
The
answer
is
the
last
resort
to
allow
for
development
and
will
allow
for
the
process
to
be
much
more
rational
than
it
has
been
to
date.
I
know
notice
that
some
of
the
other
cities
we've
had
some
big
issues
up
in
Palm
Desert.
E
A
I
think
that
is
most
of
it.
What
I
did
want
to
say
is
that
we've
worked
with
staff
on
this,
for
maybe
four
or
five
months
we
looked
at
the
strongest
and
best
modeled
Golf
Course,
ordinate
conversion
ordinances
in
the
country
and
also
utilized
our
experience
with
the
old
Palm
Springs
Golf,
Course
and
Marylyn,
which
were
two
different
conversion
situations
that
we've
dealt
with.
So
this
ordinance
comes
out
of
a
concern
for
rules
and
process
and
for
saving
open
space.
A
K
We've
had
seven
meetings
on
this
issue
where
the
public
was
invited
and
did
participate
in
those
meetings
and
were
you
know
very
pleased
that
we
got
terrific
input.
We
incorporated
much
of
what
was
brought
up
at
these
these
meetings,
which
were
agendized
and
made
available
to
everybody.
We
feel
that
we've
thought
about
this
deeply
and
we
all
cared
very
very
much
about
open
space
and
we
will
explain
our
thinking,
thought
process
to
you,
but
it's
not
our
burden
on
arbitrary.
So
before.
A
A
N
A
quick
aside
earlier
in
this
meeting,
we
heard
a
lot
of
public
comment
about
this
specific
item.
It
came
technically
before
the
public
hearing,
so
I
just
want
to
note
for
the
record
that
the
Planning
Commission
can
take
that
public
comment
from
earlier
in
the
meeting
we
will,
when
the
public
hearing
is
open,
incorporate
that
into
the
public
hearing
record
and
so
that
speakers
don't
feel
like
they
have
to
come
up
and
say
this.
L
L
The
reason
that
this
is
such
an
important
issue
is
because
golf
courses
do
encompass
a
very
large
amount
of
the
city's
open
space
Recreation
open
space.
You
can
see
here
in
this
slide
that
golf
courses
account
for
89
percent
of
the
recreational
acreage
and
the
Palm
Springs.
So
when
we
look
at
our
general
plan,
Recreation
open
space
element,
this
is
an
important
topic
within
that
that
document.
L
So,
as
I
said,
the
the
subcommittee
first
met
on
January
17th,
established
kind
of
the
goals
and
the
purpose
of
what
they
were
meeting
on
with
this
ordinance
met
three
occasions
prior
to
a
Planning
Commission
study
session,
which
was
held
April
11th.
As
you
all
recall,
we
did
receive
public
comment
at
that
meeting
and
at
that
meeting
the
Commission
generally
was
favorable
with
the
direction
that
the
subcommittee
was
headed.
Since
that
time,
the
subcommittee
has
met
on
four
different
occasions
with
the
last
meeting
occurring
on
June
13th.
L
The
ordinance
does
include
six
sections
sections
A
through
F
and
starts
with
the
purpose
and
intent
and
purpose
and
intent
of
the
ordinances,
essentially
to
maintain
open
space
where
possible,
established
neighbors,
neighbors
outreach
procedures
create
a
public
scoping
process
so
that
input
can
be
provided
to
develop
to
developers
early
on,
as
well
as
throughout
the
process
and
established
development.
Centers
specific
to
the
redevelopment
of
any
Golf
Course
in
the
city.
L
This
section
B
has
the
applicability
of
the
ordinance.
It
really
applies.
Whenever
a
general
plan
amendment
is
necessary
to
change
from
an
open
space
designation
to
other
another
form
of
land-use
element,
designation
such
as
residential
low
density,
residential,
medium
density,
residential,
etc.
It
also
notes
that
it
has
apply
for
anytime
there's
a
change
of
zone
or
that
anytime
there
would
be
something
that
would
be
permitted
or
is
requested
other
than
what
is
currently
permitted,
which
is
the
golf
course
of
course.
L
So,
in
those
instances
a
specific
plan
is
required
under
the
ordinance,
a
developer
would
not
be
able
to
submit
on
their
change
of
zone
application
by
itself
or
planned
development
district
by
itself.
So
the
specific
plan
is
the
governing
document
on
how
the
the
any
golf
course
would
have
to
be
reviewed
and
approved.
L
A
development
agreement
would
most
likely
be
necessary
in
all
cases,
because,
under
our
general
plan,
where
there
is
no
density
with
a
golf
course
site,
we
would
have
to
transfer
density
to
that
site
and
the
mechanism
to
do
that
is
through
the
development
agreement.
So
generally
when
we
would
have
an
application
to
redevelop
a
golf
course.
The
developer
would
submit
the
general
plan
amendment
the
specific
plan
and
the
development
agreement
before
they
go
through
the
the
entitlement
application
process.
L
However,
in
the
ordinance
that
we
have
before
you,
there
is
an
intent
to
convert
application
process
that
must
occur
that
essentially,
as
I'll
explain,
is
kind
of
the
pre
application
process
that
an
Afghan
will
have
to
go
through
submitting
documentation,
including
a
title
report.
Existing
agreements
that
are
imposed
on
the
property
they'll
have
to
post
signage
on
the
site
to
notify
the
public
that
an
application
has
been
submitted
to
the
city.
They'll
have
to
provide
additional
environmental
documentation,
as
it
relates
to
the
conveyor
mental
constraints
on
the
site.
L
L
There
are
four
alternatives
that
would
have
to
be
analyzed
and
submitted
by
the
developer,
including
no
development,
essentially
keeping
the
golf
course
as
an
operating
entity
and
discussing
the
economic
viability
of
that
a
partial
conversion
and
then
the
full
conversion,
as
well
as
the
potential
for
another
entity
to
buy
the
golf
course.
So
those
are
the
four
options
that
would
have
to
be
discussed
and
analyzed
as
a
part
of
the
intent
to
convert
application.
L
They'll
also
have
to
provide
staff
with
community
outreach
statements
that
discuss
the
two
public
outreach
means
that
have
to
occur
as
a
part
of
the
intent
to
convert
application.
That
would
include
discussing
the
potential
development
that
they
would
like
to
propose
receiving
input
from
members
of
the
public
and
a
number
of
other
requirements
that
are
discussed
in
the
ordinance
once
all
these
items
are
submitted
to
the
city
and
staff
has
concluded
that
all
these
items
have
been
met.
L
L
So
upon
completion
of
the
intent
to
convert
application,
the
formal
conversion
application
would
be
submitted.
As
I
said,
the
general
plan
amendment
the
specific
plan
in
the
development
agreement
staff
would
do
the
investigation,
as
typically
is
done
with
development
applications,
review
materials,
prepare
environmental
documentation
associated
with
that.
An
initial
study
likely
would
result
in
an
environmental
impact
report.
All
that
would
be
completed
and
then
the
ordinance
describes
the
process,
as
the
project
goes
to
the
Planning
Commission
for
a
recommendation
and
ultimately
for
to
City
Council
for
a
decision.
L
So,
if
there's
any
existing
agreements
with
homeowners
associations,
how
the
Afghan
has
resolved
those
issues
that
that
would
all
be
discussed
and
reconsidered
by
the
Planning,
Commission
and
Council,
of
course,
they
would
have
to
review
environmental
impacts
associated
with
the
project,
how
the
project
open
space
is
maintained
currently,
and
it's
in
the
golf
courses
existing
state,
as
well
as
the
open
space
as
a
part
of
the
future
development
with
a
project.
And
lastly,
the
Planning,
Commission
and
council
would
consider
the
compatibility
of
the
proposed
development
with
the
adjacent
existing
residential
developments.
L
The
last
section
of
the
ordinance
is
the
development
centers
that
include
requirements
as
it
relates
to
open
space
setbacks,
landscape
buffers
things
that
the
Commission
and
subcommittee
felt
were
important
to
include
in
the
ordinance,
namely
some
things
that
I'll
point
out
that
are
probably
most
significant.
Are
the
gross
acreage
requirement.
Minimum
half
of
a
golf
course
site
needs
to
remain
open
space,
50%
of
a
site
essentially,
and
that
could
include
desert,
greenways,
landscape,
buffers,
water
channels
or
waterways
and
possibly
artificial
ponds.
L
L
Similarly,
with
a
multi-story
project
within
the
Golf
Course
area,
a
150
foot
setback
is
required,
however,
that
could
be
reduced
to
100
feet
when
a
desert
Greenway
is
adjacent
to
a
residential
development
that
exists.
And,
lastly,
the
landscape.
Buffers
I
think,
is
an
important
one
to
call
out.
The
minimum
average
is
also
50
feet
from
residential,
but
again
no
less
than
30
feet,
35
feet
at
any
location.
So
the
one
caveat
here
is
that
the
issues
that
the
sub
community
had
dealt
with
and
how
we
address
issues
like
a
single
fairway,
the
Kent.
L
The
council
has
authority
to
modify
these
standards
to
a
lesser
number,
because
it
really
essentially
becomes
an
issue
when
we're
trying
to
figure
out
ways
to
create
an
approach
that
works
for
both
the
city
in
terms
of
preserving
open
space,
while
also
allowing
some
flexibility
for
developers
when
is
trying
to
establish
a
site
plan.
So
we
do
have
these
requirements
and
ultimately
it
would
be
a
discretionary
item
that
the
council
would
consider
should
they
not
meet.
All
of
these
specific
minimums
in
this
ordinance.
L
So
I'll
just
touch
on
the
desert
Greenway
a
little
bit
more.
It
is
a
continuous
strip
of
land
set
aside
for
passive
recreational
uses,
such
as
open
space,
nature
trails
parks,
playgrounds,
golf
courses,
disc,
golf
courses,
exercise
equipment,
appropriate
urban
agriculture,
landscape
buffers
and
multi-use
paths.
The
minimum
size
of
that
has
to
be
a
hundred
feet
by
75
feet
and
there
are
stipulations
within
the
ordinance
that
require
preservation
of
existing
trees
and
understory
to
the
extent
possible.
L
It
does
require
a
greater
level
of
public
outreach,
whereas
currently
the
only
requirement
that
anyone
would
have
to
go
through
is
the
public
hearing
process
in
our
ordinance
as
a
part
of
their
entitlement
application.
So
with
this
ordinance
we're
creating
the
two-part
process,
the
first
part
is
the
intent
to
convert
application
where
a
developer
holds
to
public
outreach
meetings
at
minimum.
They
also
have
additional
outreach
meetings
as
directed
by
staff
or
the
Planning
Commission.
L
So
there's
essentially
a
minimum
of
three
meetings
that
occur
before
an
application
he's
even
submitted
to
the
city
to
essentially
allow
the
public
to
provide
comments
on
any
type
of
proposal
that
is
brought
before
the
city.
It
creates
minimum
recordin,
inscri,
eights,
minimum
requirements
and
standards
for
open
space,
landscape
and
setbacks,
which
would
not
otherwise
be
required.
The
developer
could,
as
I
stay
here
in
the
last
bullet,
point
eliminate
the
or
they
can.
L
They
could
completely
redevelop
the
site
if
they
requested
to
do
so
in
without
receiving
any
public
input
and
brought
to
bring
that
forward
to
the
city.
So
the
ordinance
essentially
eliminates
the
potential
for
complete
redevelopment
of
a
golf
course
and
I.
Think
that's
important
to
understand
is
that
without
this
ordinance,
someone
could
bring
in
a
full
redevelopment
proposal
for
all
golf
course
areas
within
the
city.
That's
not
to
say
that
that's
going
to
get
approved,
but
with
this
ordinance
we
have
a
way
to
provide
some
standards.
L
That
would
not
allow
that
what
the
ordinance
does
not
do
is.
It
does
not
encourage
golf
course.
Conversions,
I,
don't
want
that
to
be
a
misconception
that
the
city
is
creating
a
way
for
people
to
just
come
in
and
do
what
they
would
like
with
the
Golf
Course.
This
is
a
way
to
ensure
there's
preserved,
open
space
and
desert
greenways
within
a
current.
The
golf
course
that
has
become
unviable
or
whatever,
for
whatever
reason
the
ordinance
does
not
address
transfer
of
density
or
development
rates.
L
So
that's
something
that
we've
had
talks
about
and
maybe
something
that
we
should
discuss
further.
So
the
last
thing
I'll
note
with
my
presentation,
is
that
we
did
receive
a
letter
from
miss
Dixon,
miss
Ilona
Dixon,
and
that
was
forwarded
to
you
last
night
as
well
as
provides
you
with
an
additional
print
coffee
today.
So
there's
I'm
sure
additional
public
comments
that
we
may
have
on
this
item.
L
B
B
C
L
L
A
C
Of
the
under
the
proposed
agree,
our
document
we're
looking
at
there
needs
to
be
50
percent
open
space.
Some
percentage
of
that
could
be
desert
Greenway
and
all
of
that
desert
Greenway
then
has
to
be
accessible
to
public,
but
the
parts
that
are
not
desert
Greenway
could
be
contained
within
a
gated
area.
If,
if
a
gated
area
was
approved,.
A
N
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission
I
would
point
out
that
yeah
we
did
make
some
revisions
to
the
language
about
these
covenants
and
public
access.
You
have
to
take
these
projects
kind
of,
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
putting
across-the-board
rule
that
there
will
be
public
access
to
the
open
space.
Again.
N
You
really
got
to
take
a
look
at
that
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
So
that's
why
we
say
it
may
contain
a
provision
to
allow
public
green,
our
public
access
to
the
desert
gateway,
Greenway,
I'm,
sorry,
but
again,
it's
got
to
be
a
case-by-case
determination
on
that.
That's
why
we
amended
the
language
there
slightly
so.
C
N
By
putting
public
access
easements
onto
that
open
space,
you
are
essentially
converting
it
into
something
of
a
public
park,
and
that
could
be
an
issue
of
the
city's
right
to
put
all
of
that
into
public
ownership
or
public
access.
Again,
it's
going
to
really
depend
upon
the
case
and
that's
why,
rather
than
having
an
absolute
rule
of
it,
will
happen
in
every
case
we
use
the
word.
It
may
happen
so
that
we
can
look
at
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
It
gets
back
to
that
nexus
issue
again.
We
were
talking
about
earlier.
Okay,.
C
L
L
C
L
C
E
And
I
can't
remember
exactly
where
it
is
in
this
ordinance,
sir
meets
the
PDT,
but
there's
too
many
over
earnest
intervene
the
intent
my
intent
certainly
was
that
if
we
were
going
to
have
a
usually
any
form
of
waterway
as
public
open
space,
it
had
to
be
used
usable
as
public
open
space.
For
example,
we
could
not
use
a
concrete
channel
flying
channel
just
public
open
space-
that's
just
not
usable,
but.
C
A
Yes,
and
maybe
I
can
answer
that
it's
it's
in
our
general
plan
that
we
have
a
density
transfer
provision,
which
is
one
of
the
reasons
that
we
have
the
requirement
for
a
development
agreement.
It
could
be
something
that
we
require
through
a
development
agreement.
You
would
notice
that
one
of
the
commissioners
suggested
we
pare
this
when
we
go
to
council
with
an
ordinance
regarding
density
transfers
and
for
the
public.
What,
in
a
previous
golf
course,
conversion
in
the
old
Palm
Springs,
we
required
a
dense
transfer
to
purchase
land
I.
Don't
know
why
this
is
booming.
A
I'm,
sorry
in
the
Chino
cone
and
the
the
transfer
ordinance
we
have
in
our
general
plan
is
fairly
specific
to
purchasing
land
to
finishing
the
purchase
of
purchases
of
land
in
the
cone.
I,
don't
know
that
it's
specific
enough
to
identify
when
that
payment
has
to
be
made
or
when
the
land
has
to
be
transferred.
A
That
issue
has
come
up
in
another
conversion,
but
it
it
seemed
to
me
that
timing,
how
you
make
that
determination
should
be
not
just
in
the
general
plan,
but
should
be
in
an
ordinance
and
I
think
the
two
should
be
paired,
because
a
willingness
to
allow
Golf
Course
space,
which
is
general
plan
open
to
become
to
have
different
development
rights
which
allow
them
to
build
means
we
should
get
land
back
or
one
of
our
nonprofits.
Our
conservatories
should
get
land
back
in
some
other
area,
that
is
open
space
and
the
mountains.
F
It
still
requires
that
for
the
change
of
open
space
as
chair
where
mark
has
suggested
it
does
not
provide
the
specific
details
in
terms
of
timing
and
how
that
transfer
occurs,
and
so
for
that
reason,
I
agree
that
we
probably
should
have
some
type
of
language
in
our
zoning
code.
That
talks
about
the
specifics
of
how
and
when
that
transfer
occurs.
I
think
that'd
be
helpful
in
terms
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
City
Council,
as
they
consider
these
requests.
E
A
E
A
Had
it
I
think
I
think
it
still
does
have
it.
We
had
been
specific
about
the
percentage
that
that
land
that
was
developed,
that
it
should
be
a
that
if
land
is
taken
out
of
open
space,
there
should
be
a
transfer
of
open
space.
Those
that
formula
was
taken
out
of
the
draft
at
some
point
and
I
think
there
is
a
reference.
This
is
something
that
mr.
Knoll
was
going
to
discuss
with
this
inn
and
planning
director
we're
going
to
discuss
with
the
city
attorney
and
come
back
to
us
on
for
this
meeting
today.
A
A
L
A
We
had
discussed
yesterday
was
the
elimination
of
the
provision
that
said
that
land
that
would
be
developed
would
be
that
there
would
be
a
transfer
for
that
for
anything
that
was
for
that
portion
that
was
developed.
It
was
fairly
specific
in
the
original
draft
and
it
got
changed
or
eliminated,
so
the
question
I
had
for
you
is:
why
did
that
get
eliminated
and
could
be
put
back
in
which.
H
L
A
B
B
F
One
caveat
to
that
is
we
have
one
situation
where
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning
designation
of
a
property
doesn't
match
for
one
of
the
golf
courses.
That's
the
only
instance.
I
know
of
all
the
others,
I
believe
are
consistent
in
terms
of
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning,
and
so
a
density
transfer
would
be
required.
Thank.
B
D
Question
follows
very
closely
to
that,
and
maybe
it's
more
of
a
city
attorney
question
and
just
maybe
my
lack
of
understanding
what
the
general
plan
says,
but
if
this
ordinance
has
approved
this
before
us,
we're
almost
giving
them
a
right
to
develop
fifty
percent
of
the
land
and
without
something
in
the
ordinance
saying
that
that
fifty
percent
has
to
be
transferred,
we
would
have
no
teeth
to
get
that
transfer.
Is
that
correct.
F
That's
incorrect.
The
general
plan
requirement
is
that
some
type
of
transfer
occur
and
it
actually
lists
three
different
ways
that
the
transfer
can
occur,
so
the
general
plan
would
take
precedent
and
would
still
be
required,
regardless
of
whether
we
have
language
in
our
ordinance.
What
would
be
helpful
is
to
have
the
specifics
in
terms
of
how
those
transfers
occur.
E
This
is
where
I
think
it
would
be
very
important
to
describe
in
this
ordinance
the
other
general
plan
conditions,
because
everyone
is
getting
really
confused
about
it,
cross
reference
or
describe
what
happens
basically
we're
requiring
one
for
one
overall
preservation
of
open
space
or
something
very
close
to
them,
and
it's
it
gets
very
confusing.
If
we
don't
talk
about
the
other
half
of
what's
going
on
in
this
ordinance.
A
C
N
N
That's
the
entire
statement
in
the
general
plan
and
as
mister
as
as
Flint
had
mentioned
earlier,
that
we
were
going
to
propose
at
some
later
time
and
ordinance
that
would
codify
more
of
those
details
as
outlined
in
the
general
plan.
Now
you
know,
Nexus
becomes
an
issue.
How
much
you
know.
Items
can
be
put
into
public
ownership,
public
dedication
as
a
condition
of
approval
of
a
project
yeah,
that's
Nexus
for
most
land
use
entitlements,
a
development
agreement
which
this
ordinance
would
require.
N
You
can
go
beyond
that
because
it's
a
negotiated
contract
with
the
developer,
and
so
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we're
saying
in
here,
if
you're
gonna
do
a
transfer
of
development
rights,
you
need
to
or
a
density
transfer
you
need
to
do
a
development
agreement,
so
we
can
sit
down
with
that
developer.
We
can
get
those
negotiated
terms
and
that
could
include
you
know
open
space
elsewhere
in
the
city
to
offset
what's
going
on
at
that
particular
project.
Okay,.
C
L
Correct
so
if
you
look
at
page
9
of
10
in
the
ordinance
number,
five
on
that
page
stipulates
the
open
space
requirements
and
you'll
see
enumerated
there.
A
through
E
streets,
driveways,
private
residential
yards
for
single-family
homes,
setbacks
for
all
new
uses,
including
R,
1,
R,
2,
R,
3,
R,
4,
commercial
and
hotel
zones,
and
public
and
private
open
space
is
not
included
in
that.
Okay,
thanks.
J
Thank
you.
My
question
is
gonna,
be
much
simpler.
It
pertains
to
to
process
really
it's
a
question
about
outreach
and
notification.
You
know
based
on
the
people
in
the
audience
today,
just
the
interest
that
this
issue
has
has
stirred
up.
My
concern
is
that
people
in
the
city
find
out
as
many
people
find
out
about
this
as
possible.
You
mentioned
your
language
about
outreach
was
to
a
specific
project.
You
know
as
they
come
come
up.
J
My
guess,
I
guess.
My
question
is:
we're
alternate
methods
of
notification
of
outreach,
considered
everything
from
our
traditional
newspaper
ad
to
a
to
a
separate
website,
or
at
least
a
link
on
the
city's
homepage
to
a
specific
project,
and
then
you
know,
there's
going
to
be
a
myriad
of
backup
material,
including
the
ordinance
and
so
forth,
sort
of
a
global
amount
of
information
and
then
of
course,
project
specific
information
or
even
you
know
as
simple
an
element
as
a
notification
sign
or
signs
at
the
property
in
question.
L
Yeah,
so
in
the
intent
to
convert
application
process,
developer
is
required
to
do
notification
to
community
members
residents
within
the
surrounding
area
for
two
meetings
that
they
would
hold.
They
would
also
post
a
sign
on
site
on
every
street
front
that
this
intent
to
convert
application
has
been
submitted
to
the
city,
and
then
they
would
also
be
required
to
host
a
website
that
provides
information
as
it
relates
to
the
proposed
development.
So
those
are
the
items
that
we
have
currently
in
the
ordinance.
L
B
I
noticed
that
your
notice
provisions
anytime
you're
talking
about
the
project
to
the
community,
you
talked
about
surrounding
communities
who
we
might
could
we
perhaps
be
more
definitive
in
terms
of
what
we're
talking
about
surrounding
is
a
very
vague
term.
Typically,
in
the
zoning
ordinance,
you
find
within
a
certain
number
of
feet,
something
that's
measurable,
easily
measurable,
I,
wonder
if
there's
a
way
we
could
do
something
more
definitive
with
respect
to
the
communities
that
would
be
notified.
Other
than
simply
saying
surrounding
communities
are
those
immediately
contiguous
communities.
L
And
that's
something
that
we
had
all
discussed
at
the
subcommittee
is
how
we
are
doing
notification
to
to
whom
are
we
doing
notification
I?
Think
at
a
minimum
we
would
require
at
least
300
feet
surrounding
any
portion
of
the
golf
course
I
think
that's
current
as
consistent
with
our
current
practice
for
developer
outreach
meetings,
sorry
500
feet
500
feet
from
any
adjacent
areas,
a
budding.
A
I
mean
I
would
assume
they
need
to
meet
with
every
adjacent
homeowner's
group
with
every
group
that
has
agreements
regarding
the
golf
course
and
some
of
the
golf
courses
have
those
reciprocal
agreements
we
saw
in
one
of
the
study
sessions.
There
was
a
neighborhood
that
was
being
flooded.
That
certainly
was
a
neighborhood
that
should
be
reached
out
to,
but
I
don't
know
that
its
feet
in
terms
of
I
think
it's
broader
than
feet.
When
you
get
into
a
golf
course,
since.
B
A
D
L
A
D
A
D
And
this
question
is
for
staff.
The
developer
in
this
is
required
to
do
a
webpage
and
they're
required
to
hold
two
public
sanctioned
meetings.
Is
there
any
oversight
of
staff
on
the
information
that's
given
by
the
developer,
to
the
public
and
if
and
just
to
affirm
that
the
information
provided
is
correct?
Yeah.
L
So
we
staff
would
attend
the
public
outreach
meetings
and
essentially
observe
to
ensure
that
all
the
materials
that
are
being
presented
and
the
information
that
is
disseminated
is
accurate,
or
at
least
consistent
with
the
materials
that
staff
is
reviewing
as
a
part
of
the
intent
to
convert
application.
So,
under
our
review
of
all
the
intent
to
convert
materials
that
pub
neighbourhood
outreach
meetings,
the
website
that
the
developer
hosts
staff
will
review
all
those
materials
present
that
information
to
the
Planning
Commission
to
let
them
know
how
the
process
went.
A
B
The
specific
plan
will
include
some
of
the
general
section
7
design
requirements
that
you've
listed
in
the
ordinance
with
respect
to
all
the
other
many
many
design
requirements
that
are
considered
in
the
code.
Is
it
anticipated
that
the
code
would
be
relied
upon
to
be
the
controlling
ordinance
with
respect
to
the
other
issues.
A
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10
of
10
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8
other
develop
all
other
development
standards.
The
conversion
of
golf
courses
shall
be
consistent
with
the
development
standards
in
the
zoning
code
as
amended.
Building
heights
open
space
and
other
development
standards
shall
comply
with
one
or
more
of
the
zoning
codes
listed
in
the
general
plan.
However,
an
alternate
land
plan
with
specific
standards
may
key
be
considered
when
vetted
through
the
process
outlined
in
this
ordinance
and
I
had
asked
staff
to
look
at
adding
the
language
provided
that
it
helps
preserve
open
space.
B
F
A
O
O
Actually
at
one
point
had
a
miniature
golf
course:
the
driving
range
in
a
restaurant
they
appeared
before
the
Planning
Commission
in
January
I
believe
was
when
our
one
of
those
study
sessions
were
at
the
time
they
were
considering
a
hotel,
because
the
Indian
lease
actually
suggested
a
hotel
on
the
property
they
are
not
going
to
pursue
that
they
want
to
just
pursue
the
underlying
zoning.
So
I
think
that
there
can
be
a
differentiation
based
on
how
the
how
that
open
space
happen.
O
I
also
point
out
that
the
if
you
do
develop
a
golf
course,
although
you
know
this
is
a
an
endangered
species,
if
you
will
you
get
no
credit
for
parks
and
recreation
and
open
space,
you
still
have
to
pay
all
your
fees,
you
don't
get
any
credit
at
all
for
the
golf
course.
This
seems
like
we're
kind
of
double
dipping
on
that
and
I
think
that
you
know
in.
O
Think
that
the
the
proposed
ordinance
is
going
to
be
extremely
onerous
and
probably
ultimately
not
apply
to
Indian
land,
but
that's
that's
for
the
attorneys
to
figure
out
down
the
line.
I,
don't
know
why
we're
protecting
golf
I
know
we're
protecting
open
space
in
the
case
of
mural
on
that
got
converted
to
a
olive
groves
and
other
kinds
of
open
spaces
and
didn't
change
the
open
space.
So
that
was
the
in
that
particular
case.
A
H
K
H
O
Oh
I'm,
John
Alden
and
one
of
the
questions
that's
coming
up
for
me
and
I
know
you're
not
open
to
answers,
but
in
terms
of
waterways
and
water
channels
or
whatever
the
words
were
being
used.
Does
that
include
the
wash
because
it
seems
like
a
lot
of
the
if
we're
establishing
ordinances
for
golf
courses
throughout
Palm
Springs
that
there
that
the
wash
is
an
area
where
golf
courses
seem
to
also
be,
and
if
that's
going
to
be
open
space,
it
seems
like
it's
not
really
open
space.
H
O
G
The
protection
of
the
trees
at
Bellaire
greens
I,
walk
the
golf
courses
every
morning
around
Bel,
Air
and
Mesquite,
and
what
I
see
happening
at
Bellaire
trees,
RB
sod
doubt
is
that
okay
I
know
you
can't
insert,
but
has
the
environmental
report
been
reported
upon?
Are
they
allowed
to
at
this
moment,
cut
trees
down?
I
know
you
can't
answer.
G
G
G
Is
that
going
to
indicate
the
usage
of
water,
because
it's
my
understanding
that
California
is
running
out
of
water
I,
don't
know
if
we
are
not
to
be
honest
with
you,
but
I
do
know
that
call
calorie.
We
do
get
water
coming
in
from
Colorado,
and
my
understanding
that
Colorado
water
is
in
jeopardy
and
it's
less
than
what
they
normally
get
so
I
would
just
ask
that
you'd
revisit
that
issue,
and
also
please
stay
in
communication
with
us
who
live
around
the
golf
course
we
don't
know.
G
A
Of
this
is
closed,
and
this
matter
will
be
before
the
Commission
before
we
get
there
for
the
planning
director
in
mr.
Newell,
we
got
a
letter
from
Linda
Dixon,
which
contained
since
she
had
called
me
with
a
series
of
questions
as
well,
and
I
raised
some
of
the
you
and
some
of
them
to
you
in
advance.
I.
Wonder
if
you
could
do
I
need
to
go
through
some
of
these
or
are
these
changes
that
you've
looked
at,
that
we
could
possibly
make.
L
A
No
they're,
some
of
them
were
she
asked.
We
said
that
they
would
have
to
go
through
normal
environmental
documentation,
shi'ite,
which
is
normally
means
that
if
an
e
aÃ,
our
staff
would
determine
whether
an
e
ir
would
be
required.
She
wanted
language
in
there
than
an
e,
because
this
is
most
of
the
golf
courses
have
environmental
issues,
language
that
states
that
an
e
ir
may
be
required
in
addition
to
the
sequal
language.
N
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Our
offices
suggestion
would
be
to
keep
it
a
bit
more
open-ended
in
the
code
in
the
unlikely
event
that
perhaps
there's
not
an
e
IR
for
the
project.
I'll
be
frank
from
our
offices
perspective.
That
seems
highly
unlikely.
These
are
gonna,
be
large
projects,
a
lot
of
moving
parts
and
it's
highly
unlikely
that
they'll
be
able
to
get
away
with
just
a
mitigated,
negative
declaration.
If
they
could,
it
would
probably
be
the
biggest
one
I've
seen
in
years.
N
A
A
Then
she
had
a
question
of
it.
We
wrote
the
the
set
back
when
there's
a
single
free
fairway
and
it
I
think
the
understanding
of
the
working
group
was
that
if
we
had
a
single
fairway,
we
they
couldn't
do
development
and
provide
a
green
belt
on
both
sides.
But
could
we
add
language
that
at
least
allowed
for
a
green
belt
on
one
side?
A
A
L
E
Strongly
think
that
we
should
have
some
sort
of
green
belt
like
on
a
single
fairway.
That
was
certainly
my
thought
was
we
were
doing
at
the
committee
I
recognize.
We
can't
have
it
necessarily
on
both
sides
because
of
the
width
of
a
single
fairway,
but
to
say
is
the
first
I've
really
thought
of
the
fact
we
might
not
be
any
green
belt
there.
L
Only
comment
is
that
currently
we
have
three
items
that
address
setbacks,
open
space
and
desert
greenways
right
now.
Our
minimum
standard
is
50
feet
for
a
building
setback,
50
feet
for
a
landscape
buffer.
If
you
have
a
really
narrow
fairway,
where
it's
maybe
150
feet
wide
you're
not
gonna,
get
much.
You
won't
get
50
feet,
but
you'll
get
something,
but
we.
A
L
O
L
A
My
general
feeling
is
that,
if
we
go
forward
with
this,
we
should
also
say
that
we
want
to
go
forward
with
a
statute
or
zoning
that
identifies
how
the
transfer
would
occur
in
a
density
transfer.
I,
don't
think
we
can
be
quite
as
specific.
We
were
looking
at
one
for
one,
but
we
hadn't,
we
hadn't
defined
what
that
meant
and.
F
E
A
F
We'll
look
at
your
comments
that
you've
given
to
us
today
in
terms
of
doing
additional
notification.
I
think
what
we
will
do
is
probably
have
language
in
this
section
of
the
code
as
well,
is
in
Chapter,
94,
12,
specific
standards
for
Golf
Course
conversions,
so
that
we
have
it
in
both
places
the
code.
But
we'll
look
at
some
of
the
additional
comments
that
you
gave
us
today.
One
of
the
things
that
was
a
little
above
and
beyond
what
we
typically
do
is
the
required
for
a
town-hall
meeting.
F
D
D
Opinion
on
that
I
guess,
whether
you
call
it
a
town-hall
meeting
or
just
a
meeting,
and
one
of
the
two
meetings
could
indeed
be
a
town
hall.
I
think
the
difference
is
how
its
noticed
to
the
broader
community
in
general,
because
I
think
what
we've
heard
from
the
public.
This
is
not
just
the
neighbors
that
are
impacted.
This
is
a
general
plan
change.
So,
however,
we
I
think
designed
the
noticing
to
call
it.
A
town
hall
meeting
is
fine.
It's
really
about
the
noticing
to
get
people
to
that
meeting
and
that
it
be
more
broad-based.
C
I
will
just
add
my
standard
comment.
You
know
we've
had
public
hearings,
we're
adjacent
residents
are
not
notified
because
they're,
not
owners
and
I,
know
I've
been
told
that
council
is
working
on
a
solution
for
that,
but
until
then
I'd
like
to
see
if
we
could
take
some
sort
of
proactive
measure
to
ensure
that
renters
are
noticed
as
well,
because
you
know
if
I
look
at
this
arena
park
process,
I,
don't
believe
anybody
from
that
mobile
home
park
was
ever
notified.
C
That
they're
gonna
be
walled
in
at
some
point
and
not
have
any
open
space
on
the
outside
like
they
have
now.
Likewise
that
Porsche
dealership,
you
know
we
have
this
repair
facility
50
feet
from
these
guys
mobile
homes,
that
they
don't.
They
don't
know
anything
about
it
either.
So
I
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
renters
have
as
much
opportunity
in
the
city
dialog
as
homeowners
do.
A
Other
general
areas
and
opening
this
to
the
Commission
one
of
the
issues
was
the
percentages
of
open
space
that
were
pulled
into
this,
and
maybe
I'll
explain
why
we
ended
up
with
50%.
We
wanted
an
actual
50%
of
the
property
open,
but
we
didn't
include
in
that
any
roadways
that
went
through
it.
We
didn't
include
any
open
space
that
was
required
for
the
other,
for
the
developed
portion
so
say
a
hotel
came
in
and
it
it
had
clubhouse
greens
garden
tennis
courts.
A
That
would
not
count
as
open
space
because
it
was
for
the
developed
for
the
other
development
backyards,
weren't
included
driveway.
So
the
the
idea
was
that
50%,
open
space
is
really
50%
and
you,
the
other
portion
of
the
development,
would
assume
the
responsibility
for
the
roads,
so
it
might
be.
It
would
be
everything
else,
and
it
may
end
up
being
less
than
50%
of
more
more
than
50%
of
the
development
would
end
up
being
open.
A
Looked,
we
had
a
maintenance
provision
in
this
so
that
the
the
issue
is
who's
going
to
maintain
this,
and
we
wanted
to
do
it
in
such
a
fashion
that
the
other
development,
condo
housing,
homeowner
association,
would
be
required
to
maintain
the
open
space
and
not
necessarily
not
put
that
obligation
on
the
city
unless
the
city
was
willing
to
assume
that
which
typically
I
wouldn't
assume
that
the
city
would
be
willing
to
assume
that
obligation
for
open
space.
So
we
didn't
want
to
make
it
so
large
that
it
wouldn't
be
maintained.
A
The
the
goal
is
that
if
it's
open
space
it
would
be
maintained,
that's
how
we
got
to
50%.
Again,
we
were
looking
at
what
we
did.
What
we
achieved
in
the
old
Palm
Springs
Golf
Course,
which
was
47
in
some
of
the
statutes
from
around
the
country
that
we're
looking
at
50%,
so
how
we
got
there,
but
that
question
is
really
in
front
of
the
Commission
and
isn't
with
those
of
us
that
were
on
the
subcommittee.
A
D
I
could
chime
in
when
we
listened
to
the
public.
50%
is
in
the
ordinance,
and
the
public
was
asking
for
70
to
60
60
to
70
percent,
which
is
you
know,
10
to
20
percent
difference,
and
maybe
that
10
to
20
percent
difference
is
exactly
that.
It's
that
the
open
space
then
becomes
the
other
open
space,
and
it
would
lead
us
ultimately
to
maybe
even
more
than
70
percent,
depending
on
how
it
all
washes
out.
A
C
C
And
that's
what
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
clarity
on
and
if
there's
a
any
legislative
way
or
any
way
we
can
put
in
this
document
that
the
goal
is
that
it
be
accessible.
Even
though
it's
going
to
be
kicked
down
the
road
to
the
development
agreement,
I'd
like
to
see
something
that,
in
in
the
in
this
document,
the
reference
is
accessed
to
the
open
space
requirement.
We.
A
Had
intended
that
the
question
is
that
say
we
had
a
partial
conversion
and
and
a
18-hole
course
became
a
nine-hole
course.
It
might
be
a
public
course,
but
the
public
would
have
to
pay
to
be
on
it
or
it
might
be
a
nine-hole
course
that
belongs
to
the
abutting
association.
So
there's
some
instances
where
it
wouldn't
be
complete,
be
accessible
to
the
public.
B
N
Chair
yeah,
if
I
could
offer
a
suggestion,
we
could
certainly
put
some
general
intent
language
in
the
ordinance
to
say
something
to.
The
effect
of
the
intent
here
is
to
you
know,
establish
or
preserve
as
much
public
access
to
open
space.
You
know
as
the
visible
or
something
like
that.
That
way
again,
we
can
still
look
at
it
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
but
at
least
we
have
that
statement
of
intent.
That's
where
we
want
to
go
with
it
in
our
discussions,
deliberations,
negotiations,
etcetera.
C
B
F
F
E
Yeah,
we
would
point
out
that
most
of
the
golf
courses-
not
all
of
them,
but
most
of
them-
are
privately
owned,
open
space.
Now
that
we
have
the
public
gains
that
benefit
from
the
aesthetics
and
some
benefit
from
the
water
quality
and
other
environmental
impacts,
but
not
from
public
direct
public
access.
So
we
have
to
be
very
careful
about
how
that
would
be
done.
I.
N
Would
point
out
to
the
Commission
I'm
sorry,
madam
chair
I
would
point
out
to
the
Commission
that
there
are
laws
that
exist:
the
California
Quimby
Act.
We
have
a
Quimby
Act
ordinance
on
file,
various
other
laws
that
do
allow
the
city
to
take
some
private
property
into
public
ownership
through
public
dedication
for
parkland
purposes,
park,
improvements,
etc,
but
but
there
are
limits
under
the
law
to
what
can
be
taken
in
and
Quimby
Act
does
impose
a
nexus
requirement.
N
That's
the
term
we've
been
using
here
to
the
extent
that
a
taking
of
private
property
for
park
recreational
use
is
consistent
with
the
Quimby
act,
consistent
with
your
Quimby
ordinance
and
consistent
with
Nexus.
The
city
may
be
able
to
do
that.
If
it's
not
consistent,
the
city
would
not
necessarily
be
able
to
that.
That
could
be
what's
called
a
regulatory
taking
in.
N
B
We
said
to
the
extent
allowed
by
law,
the
open
space
shall
be
mandated.
In
other
words,
you
you
run
there
all
the
traps.
The
law
is
Nexus,
Quimby,
Act,
all
sorts
of
legal
issues
that
might
apply
to
how
much
you
can
take
for
public
purposes
and
say
it
shall
so
you're
saying
you're,
making
an
affirmative
statement.
We
want
it
to
be
open,
subject
to
the
applicable
laws
and,
to
the
extent
it
can
be
open
under
the
laws
that.
N
C
K
We
had
to
consider
the
fact
that
it
is
in
many
cases,
private
property
and
there
has
to
be
an
incentive
for
the
owner
to
invest
funds
in
creating
open
space,
allowing
it
see
actually
more
less
than
half
of
the
land
to
be
developed,
based
on
the
fact
that
the
yards
and
pools
and
things
cannot
be
considered.
Open
space
provides
the
resources
to
create
this
open
space
and
the
other
half.
K
You
know,
bel-air
greens
is
35
acres
and
is
completely
neglected
and
that
we
don't
want
to
see
that
at
mesquite,
and
we
don't
want
to
see
that
at
other
golf
courses.
So
this
ordinance
is
is
established
so
that
the
developer
will
know
what
they
have
to
do
to
make
the
project
work
for
the
make
the
numbers
work
and
we've
heard
from
mr.
Roos.
He
doesn't
believe
it
even
with
this
ordinance
said:
it'll
work
but
I,
don't
you
know?
That's
suddenly
we
could
find
out.
K
That's
true,
you
know,
Belair
acres
is
velour,
Green's
is
35
acres,
so
17
acres
would
be
open.
Space
and
mesquite
Country
Club
is
124.
Acres
in
62
would
be
open
space.
The
new
downtown
Park
is
one
and
a
half
acres.
You
know
we
spent
two
or
three
hours
today
talking
about
what
the
public
park
should
be
the
downtown
park,
one
and
a
half
acres,
and
this
is
only
two
public
that
the
you
know
golf
courses
were
there
17
acres
in
62
acres.
There
would
have
to
remain
open
space
under
this
proposal.
K
Under
this
ordinance,
so
I
think
we
should
keep
all
those
things
in
mind.
We
as
a
subcommittee
want
to
have
as
much
open
space
as
possible.
I
mean
that
is
our
goal,
we're
members
of
the
public
just
like
you,
but
we
felt
that,
given
all
of
the
other
restrictions
and
the
fact
that
the
the
private
property
that
has
to
be
developed-
and
somebody
has
to
pay
for
it-
that
this
was
the
most
reasonable
approach.
D
Comments
in
general
I
just
wanted
to
answer
a
couple
questions
that
I
heard
from
the
audience
that
they
didn't
get
answers
to
and
if
I'm
correct
staff.
Please
correct
me
on
anything
that
I
say
one
of
the
questions
was
as
indian
canyons
included
and
by
the
back
of
the
staff
report
and
the
very
last
page
it
seems
an
indian
can
disease
part
would
be
part
of
the
regulations.
L
L
E
Could
we
point
out
there
that,
for
example,
for
mesquite
today,
most
of
the
Golf
Course
are
much
of
the
Golf?
Course
is
part
of
the
wash
at
least
part
of
the
wash
is
floodplain
and
so
there's
an
example
of
a
waterway
that
is
used
for
public
open
spare
for
at
least
for
the
aesthetic
open
space
of
the
golf
course,
so
that
that's
the
current
condition
and
right.
D
N
D
And
then
I
just
want
to
make
some
general
comments.
I
want
want
to
applaud
our
entire
committee
and
staff
for
their
diligent,
proactive
work
on
this.
We
have
seen
other
golf
courses
that
have
gone
fallow
or
in
the
case
of
Rancho.
Mirage
have
been
fenced
in
and
they've
lost.
Everything
so
I
think
being
proactive,
gives
our
citizens
and
us
some
sort
of
teeth
to
really
stop
that
type
of
activity
from
happening.
I
heard
words
from
the
audience,
such
as
it's
the
soul
and
the
pleasure
of
open
space
and
having
public
forums
and
whatnot
and
I.
D
Think
our
discussion
up
here
really
addressed
all
of
those
questions.
We
are
really
trying
at
this
point
diligently
to
protect
the
view
corridors.
The
view
sheds
we
are
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
have
broad
public
forums
and,
lastly,
I
just
really
want
to
thank
everyone.
That's
in
the
audience
here
and
not
in
the
audience,
for
your
diligent
participation.
It
really
is
a
testament
to
our
city
that
you
come
and
speak
your
mind,
and
you
tell
us
honestly
what
you
think.
D
A
There's
one
other
questions
that
was
asked
by
the
public
and
that
relates
to
the
cutting
down
of
trees
at
Bellaire,
grains,
I
I
have
inquired,
we
don't
have,
maybe
the
city,
the
planning
director
can
talk,
but
we
do
have
language
in
this.
That
relates
to
a
request
for
development.
When
a
developer
has
let
the
Golf
Course
go,
go
fallow
has
destroyed
it
in
advance
in
terms
of
their
coming
in
and
requesting
making
requests
of
the
city
that
that's
one
thing
that
consider
in.
F
Terms
of
cutting
down
trees,
we
don't
currently
have
a
tree
ordinance
that
prevents
property
owners
from
cutting
down
trees.
The
one
exception
to
that
is
where
there
is
an
approved
landscape
plan
for
a
development.
So,
for
example,
for
some
of
our
condominium
developments.
I
know
some
of
them
have
come
in
have
removed
trees
because
they
have
an
approved
landscape
plan.
We've
made
them
replace
those
trees
on
a
one-for-one
basis.
E
B
A
A
Think
what
I
had
was
some
more
specificity
on
identifying
density
transfer
and
talking
about
one
that
the
intent
is
one
for
one,
although
not
going
any
further
than
that
that
we
wanted
some
length.
We
want
language
that
says
that
the
intent
on
the
single
freeways
is
to
maintain
some
landscape.
Our
fairways
is
to
maintain
some
landscape
buffer
on
one
side
that
we
would
add
additional
signage.
A
A
B
A
I
think
that's
that
covers
all
of
it,
and
the
other
thing
is
that
we're
not
going
to
hold
this
up
to
Korea
to
draft
an
ordinance
on
density
transfers,
but
the
intent
of
the
Commission
is
to
canoes
as
soon
as
possible
start
to
meet
with
the
Planning
Director
to
develop
a
density
transfer
ordinance
with
greater
specificity.
Madam.
F
Chair
what
I
might
request,
because
we
will
need
to
make
some
revisions
to
the
ordinance
I,
would
request
that
we
continue
this
item
to
a
date
certain
and
our
preference,
just
looking
at
the
amount
of
work
that
we
need
to
do.
Our
preference
would
be
to
the
July
25th
meeting
of
the
Planning
Commission,
with
the
comments
that
you
have
enumerated
for
us
and
also
the
Commission.
The
public
would
be
aware
that
the
next
meeting
next
hearing
on
this
would
be
on
July.
The
25th.
E
A
N
N
A
B
I
was
just
saying
this
is
a
very
comprehensive
warden
and
some
very
important
one.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
to
fast-track
it.
So
I
would
agree
that
you
probably
should
meet
as
a
subcommittee
and
if
we
could
submit
I
have
a
few
technical
issues
as
well
that
I'd
like
to
submit
to.
Then
you
can
consider
when
you
meet.
A
And
I
need
to
leave
by
5:30,
so
we
can,
if
we
can
speed
this
up,
to
see
city
of
Palm
Springs
for
a
zone
text.
Amendment
two
sections:
nine
one:
point:
zero:
zero
point:
one:
zero:
nine
three
point:
oh
five:
point:
zero:
zero
and
nine
4.0
3.00
of
the
Palm
Springs
zoning
code
relating
to
development
standards
for
planned
development,
districts,
peds
and
the
requirements
for
processing
PDD
applications.
A
A
K
K
A
F
Madam
chair,
thank
you
very
much,
I'm
just
going
to
do
a
very,
very
brief
presentation
in
terms
of
the
ordinance
that's
before
you.
We
did
see
this
a
draft
version
of
this
ordinance
back
in
April
and
we've
made
some
refinements
to
it.
Then
there
were
some
questions
at
that
point
in
time
relative
to
the
open
space
requirements
which
we've
since
resolved,
just
as
an
overview
through
the
ad
hoc
PDD
committee,
there
were
a
total
of
67
recommendations
that
they
made
relative
to
our
planned
development
district
ordinance.
F
This
proposed
ordinance
in
front
of
you
would
incorporate
31
of
those
recommendations,
so
it
goes
a
long
way
to
implementing
the
recommendations
of
the
ad
hoc
committee.
That
being
said,
we
held
a
meeting
of
our
subcommittee
with
members
of
our
ad
hoc
committee
last
Thursday.
They
made
some
recommendations
on
some
minor
refinements
that
we
need
to
make
to
the
ordinance.
In
addition
to
that,
our
attorney
has
also
done
a
review
of
the
ordinance.
There
are
some
additional
things
that
he
needs
to
look
at.
F
With
case
law
being
what
it
is,
he
wants
to
take
a
closer
look
at
that
to
make
sure
that
we're
in
line
with
zoning
case
law
with
the
public
benefit
language
that
we
have
there
so
based
on
that,
what
I
am
recommending
that
we
do
today
is
that
we
open
the
public
hearing,
take
public
testimony,
any
comments
that
the
Planning
Commission
may
wish
to
offer,
and
then
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
continue
this
to
a
date
certain
to
the
July
11th
Planning
Commission
meeting.
That
concludes
my
comments
and
madam
chair.
A
D
My
question
is,
as
you
public
benefit
I'd
like
to
hear
more
feedback
on
that,
because
I
did
have
some
concerns,
but
I'll
wait
to
hear
after
your
review
of
it.
The
only
other
thing
that
pricked
my
ears
was
low
to
moderate-income
housing
component.
My
search
of
the
zoning
code
showed
that
we
really
don't
have
programs
in
place.
So
I
was
a
little
concerned.
How
that
might
play
out
and
I
think
it
leads
further
investigation,
yeah.
F
Just
to
respond
to
that
question,
madam
chair,
we
don't
have
any
programs
in
place
in
terms
of
referenced
in
our
code,
however,
we
are
starting
a
an
affordable
housing
fund
through
our
Community
and
Economic
Development
Department,
and
so
any
requirements
to
contribute
to
such
a
fund
that
would
be
in
place
in
order
to
address
that.
So
we.
B
B
A
J
J
J
The
lease
is
up
and
reverse
to
the
city.
You
know
what
what
is
the
impact
then
on
the
the
park
itself.
Now,
in
terms
of
that
pedestrian
connection,
or
even
some
ideas
about
you
know,
the
museum
is
going
to
be
expanding.
How
can
all
those
things
be
sort
of
rolled
into
a
larger
our
larger
scope
of
a
study?
A
On
the
facing
of
the
bathrooms
in
the
police
station,
now
that
we
could
add
or
subtract
things
later,
but
you
couldn't
change
that
design
element
if
we
didn't
do
it
at
this
point
in
time.
So
in
terms
of
budget
issues,
when
they
look
at
budget
issues,
the
last
thing
they
should
take
away
is
that
is
the
facing
on
the
waterfall,
the
bathrooms
and
the
police.
Substation
I
believe
there
was
also
comments
about
the
police
substation.
Do
you
want
to
make
that
well.
J
I,
just
you
know,
going
back
to
the
desire
to
keep
as
much
of
the
good
things
of
the
park
design
in
terms
of
the
materials
as
possible.
I
had
a
comment
that
I
think
personally,
that
some
alternate
design
ideas,
even
location
ideas
for
the
police
substation
could
potentially
save
a
lot
of
money
free
up
more
space,
usable
Park
space
for
for
pedestrian
uses.
So
I
was
I
heard
that
some
of
those
discussions
had
taken
place,
but
I
think
at
this
point
in
terms
of
the
value
engineering.
J
C
There
was
a
number
of
items
that
aren't
in
the
drawings
yet
that
were
requested
by
Council.
One
of
them
was
fairly
expensive.
I
thought
it
was
sort
of
a
canopy
system
that
you
could
put
in
place
or
remove,
depending
on
the
season
or
the
event
taking
place,
and
that
that
had
a
I,
don't
remember
the
budget
number,
but
it
was
large
and
I
think
there
were
some
other
items
requested
by
council
to
look
at
as
well.
That
would
drive
it
beyond
what
was
budgeted
at
now.
A
D
This
is
a
question
for
staff.
You
know,
I
am
getting
inquiries
about
various
projects
throughout
the
city
and
I
know
we
have
a
list
on
site
or
on
on
online
on
the
city's
website
that
I
inform
people
of
as
well.
They
have
access
to
but
I'm
wondering
if
our
GIS
people,
if
we
have
such
people
on
staff,
couldn't
make
an
interactive
map
which
would
make
it
much
easier
for
me
to
answer
questions
knowing
the
location
versus
the
name
of
projects.
F
Commissioner
woods
I
love
that
idea.
However,
we
do
not
have
a
GIS
person
on
staff
right
now.
Thankfully
mr.
Newell
and
miss
kikuchiyo
and
our
staff
do
have
some
experience
with
GIS.
But
we
have
limited
abilities
at
this
point
in
time.
But
I
do
like
that
suggestion
and
if
we
have
time
to
do
that,
we'll
try
and
do
that
if
we
can.
F
F
The
budget-
the
City
Council
just
recently
approved
the
budget
to
include
some
amount
of
funding
for
an
update
to
the
general
plan
and
also
an
additional
staff
position.
We
have
not
put
forth
a
schedule
for
that,
yet
we
hope
to
do
that
within
the
next
couple
of
months
and
part
of
that
I'll.
Just
add
to
that
part
of
that
is.
We
are
moving
forward
with
the
modifications
to
the
planned
development
district
ordinance,
which
is
kind
of
generated,
part
of
the
need
to
update
the
city's
land-use
element,
in
particular.
F
We
anticipate
having
another
study
session
on
July
the
25th,
so
if
you
could
just
mark
that
on
your
calendars,
that's
still
tentative.
At
this
point
in
time,
we
have
received
an
application
from
Bellaire
greens
to
come
back
with
a
revised
plan,
and
so
we
have
a
timeframe
that
we
need
to
bring
that
back
to
you
and
we'd
like
to
do
that
on
the
25th.
If
we
can
get
those
application
materials
together.
F
Other
than
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
didn't
talk
about
in
the
presentation
on
the
planned
development
district
is
I
feel
that
we're
far
enough,
along
with
this
particular
ordinance
that
we
can
begin
working
on
the
next
phase
of
this,
which
is
the
small
lot
ordinance,
and
so
what
I
will
probably
do
is
want
to
get
together
with
the
small
lot
subcommittee
here
within
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
start
talking
about
that.
So
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
a
notice
that
we'll
start
working
on
that
here
very
shortly.