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In
favor
aye
aye,
this
is
a
period
for
public
comments.
The
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
the
consent,
calendar
and
other
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission.
Please
note
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
on
items
not
on
the
posted
agenda.
Speakers
will
have
three
minutes.
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Members
of
the
public
who
are
here
on
item
4a,
are
directed
to
comment
under
this
portion
of
the
agenda
item.
4A
is
Oscar's
cafe
and
bar.
So
if,
if
a
member
of
the
public
wishes
to
speak
on
that,
you
should
speak
now
there
being
no
members
of
the
public
who
wish
to
speak.
The
public
comment
period
is
closed.
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Public.
The
first
item
in
front
of
us
is
the
consent
calendar,
and
this
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
March,
14,
2018
and
March
28th
and
a
chain
is
there
a
motion?
Is
there
a
second
all
in
favor
aye,
the
consent
calendar
is
approved.
We're
in
two
public
hearings:
QA.
The
first
public
hearing
is
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
for
a
request
to
consider.
C
Chair
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
this
first
text,
amendment
that
you
have
before
you
on
the
agenda,
is
something
that
came
out
of
the
City
Council
business
retention
subcommittee
and,
more
specifically,
they
held
a
meeting
with
the
public
on
March
the
28th,
to
discuss
several
issues.
Two
of
those
issues
on
your
agenda
this
afternoon.
The
first
one
is
relative
to
the
approval
for
agricultural
structures
in
our
industrial
and
energy
zoning
districts.
C
As
a
byproduct
of
that
meeting,
what
was
requested
was
that
we
simplify
the
process
essentially
for
green
house
structures
with
the
approval
of
our
cannabis
regulations
in
December
of
2017.
There
is
interest
on
the
part
of
City
Council
in
perhaps
streamlining
some
aspects
of
that
process,
and
so
what
they
have
requested
that
we
develop
for
them
was
an
amendment
to
our
architectural
approval
regulations
to
exempt
greenhouses
or
agricultural
buildings
from
the
architectural
review
process.
C
What
is
being
proposed
is
that
in
Chapter,
94
of
the
architectural
review
language
in
our
code
is
that,
with
other
staff
level
approvals,
agricultural
buildings
would
also
be
a
staff
level
approval.
One
of
the
things
I
want
to
make
clear
is
that
these
buildings
are
still
subject
to
our
development
standards,
so
they
need
need
to
meet
lot
coverage,
setback,
requirements
of
height
limitations,
etc.
It's
just
that
staff
would
be
doing
that.
Read
you
at
the
building
permit
stage,
as
opposed
to
taking
those
through
the
architectural
advisory
committee
in
the
Planning
Commission.
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C
D
I'm
curious,
could
you
could
you
shed
some
light
on
what
the
council's
thinking
was
on
exempting
these
kinds
of
structures
from
power
review,
because
it
would
seem
to
me
that,
although
they're
certainly
lawful
and
certainly
encouraged
and
necessary,
they
often
can
be
somewhat
controversial
and
there's
no
opportunity
for
the
public
to
have
an
airing
of
their
views.
If
we
take
it
out
of
the
Planning
Commission
approval
process
and
I'm
surprised
that
I'm
sort
of
surprised,
the
council
would
want
to
do
it.
That
way,
as
opposed
to
allowing
the
public
to
exercise
they're,
probably
comment.
That's.
C
C
That's
a
good
question.
One
of
the
things
that
will
still
remain
in
place
is
in
our
cannabis
ordinance
that
we
adopted
back
in
December.
It
still
requires
a
conditional
use
permit
for
cultivation
for
manufacturing
and
for
testing,
and
so
there
will
still
be
a
public
review
process
for
the
conditional
use
permit.
It's
just
the
architectural
review
process
will
no
longer
be
there
just
for
the
agricultural
buildings,
so.
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C
D
D
We
also
comfortable
with
the
definition
of
agricultural
to
include
the
growing
of
cannabis.
I.
Don't
know
why
I'm
servile
fashion
but
I
thinking
of
corn
and
soybeans
yeah
when
I
think
of
agricultural
and
I
don't
think
of
cannabis,
but
is
that
the
state
of
the
art
language
for
a
cannabis
growing
facility?
Today,
no.
C
It
is
not
state
of
the
art
and
if
you
would
like
to
include
that
as
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council,
that
we
define
what
agricultural
uses
are,
I
think
that
would
be
more
than
appropriate.
Keep
in
mind
that
this
wouldn't
apply
not
only
to
cannabis
but
to
any
other
agricultural
uses
that
we
can't
be
so
narrowly
focused
that
we
exclude
other
agricultural
uses
and
only
allow
campus.
Thank.
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B
D
C
A
A
Is
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
for
a
request
to
consider
a
zone
text
amendment
to
amend
the
Palm
Springs
zoning
code,
sections
9
1.0
0.109
2.0
9.0
1
&,
9
2.0
9.02
to
allow
grocery
stores
within
the
central
business
district
zone
and
to
provide
for
other
minor
modifications
and
corrections
staff
report?
Please
Madame.
C
Chair
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
this
is
the
second
item
that
came
out
of
the
City
Council
business
retention
subcommittee,
public
meeting
that
they
held
back
in
March.
Their
discussion
at
that
meeting
was
relative
to
providing
access
to
food
and
to
avoid
food
deserts
and
one
of
the
things
that
was
noted
that,
in
our
zoning
code,
grocery
stores
are
specifically
prohibited
in
the
downtown
area.
What
is
unusual
is
that,
within
the
land
use
for
the
downtown
area,
we
do
allow
residential
uses.
We
even
have
language
in
our
zoning
code.
C
That
says
we
should
provide
the
needs
of
daily
life
for
downtown
users,
and
so
our
general
plan
certainly
supports
the
correction
to
our
zoning
code
to
allow
grocery
stores
as
a
permitted
use.
What
I
am
proposing
for
you
today
is
that
any
grocery
store
that
is
less
than
let's
see
in
a
15,000
square
feet
in
area
would
be
permitted,
buy
right
and
then
larger
grocery
stores.
Anything
over
15,000
square
feet
would
require
a
conditional
permit.
C
The
reason
for
that
distinction
is
that
our
downtown
area
is
primarily
a
pedestrian
area,
and
so
we
want
to
keep
uses
in
line
with
the
pedestrian
nature
of
downtown.
When
you
start
having
larger
stores
over
15,000
square
feet,
there
are
additional
impacts
that
you
need
to
take
into
consideration,
such
as
the
maneuvering
of
large
trucks.
How
do
you
store
the
merchandise
etc,
and
so
it's
important
that
we
have
some
type
of
a
discretionary
review
process
to
look
at
the
specifics
of
any
stores
that
are
larger
than
15,000
square
feet.
C
So
that
is
the
primary
reason
for
the
amendment
that
you
have
before
you.
While
we
were
doing
this,
there's
a
couple
of
things
that
staff
wanted
to
clean
up
and
correct
some
issues
that
we've
been
having,
as
we've
had
conversations
with
members
of
the
public
about
some
uses.
First
of
all,
is
that
in
our
retail
use
categories
we
are
rather
specific,
as
you
look
at
the
permitted
uses,
there's
over
60
uses
permitted
in
the
CBD
district.
C
I'm
also
proposing
that
we
condense
personal
service
uses
personal
service
uses
are
defined
as
those
things
such
as
a
hair
salon.
Barber
shop,
tanning
salon,
nail
salon,
dry,
cleaner,
she
repaired
those
types
of
uses,
and
so
what
I'm
proposing
is
that
again,
rather
than
being
specific
as
to
each
and
every
personal
service
use
that
we
use
a
generalized
category?
C
There
are
also
other
areas
that
there
has
been
some
confusion
in
the
code,
for
example
on
spa
uses
and
massage.
In
one
instance,
it
requires
a
land
use
permit.
In
another
instance,
it
requires
a
conditional
use
permit
if
it's
associated
with
a
hotel
use.
So
to
standardize
that
what
I'm
proposing
is
that
we
just
require
a
land
use
permit
for
the
spa
use.
Similarly
for
bicycle
rental.
In
certain
cases
it
requires
a
it's
a
permitted
use.
In
other
cases,
it's
a
land
use
permit,
so
we're
also
proposing
to
standardize
that
as
well
and
then.
C
A
C
Was
a
question
about
a
number
of
different
uses
number
one,
the
question
was:
would
convenience
food
and
sundry
stores
still
be
allowed?
The
answer
is
yes,
we
would
classify
that
as
a
general
retail
use,
as
the
impact
is
no
different.
The
second
question
is:
would
we
allow
drive-in
and
drive-thru
facilities?
The
answer
to
that
is
yes,
we
would
allow
that
by
a
conditional
use
permit,
since
this
is
a
pedestrian
oriented
district,
we
want
to
retain
the
conditional
use
permit
process
to
review
those
on
a
case-by-case
basis.
C
Another
question
was
relative
to
massage
establishments
as
you'll
note,
we're
not
making
any
significant
changes
to
the
current
regulations,
we're
just
standardizing
it,
so
it
requires
a
land
use,
permit
an
accessory
use.
Another
question
is
relative
to
wood,
second-hand
stores
be
permitted
and
looking
at
all
of
these
shops
that
sell
mid-century,
modern,
'z,
sorry
mid-century,
modern
goods
and
articles.
C
In
response
to
that,
we
have,
in
our
list
of
permitted
uses
antique
stores,
things
that
are
mid-century
fall
under
the
definition
of
an
antique,
because
now
there
are
50
years
old
or
older
and
so
I'm
comfortable
that
we
would
still
allow
those
uses
as
a
permitted
use
under
the
definition
of
an
antique
store
rather
than
a
second-hand
store
and
then
finally,
the
question
was:
would
we
allow
upholstery
shops?
There
is
cited
that
there
is
an
upholstery
shop
there
on
Indian.
C
We
would
allow
that
as
an
accessory
use
to
an
interior
design
store
or
a
furniture
store,
but
not
as
a
principal
use
as
a
principal
use.
We
would
recommend
that
that
be
in
industrial
districts,
so
those
were
the
questions
that
were
posed
through
the
email
that
I
received
earlier.
That
concludes
my
presentation
to
you
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
You
might
have
questions.
C
Looking
at
kind
of
industry
standards,
as
you
look
at
the
standard,
drugstore
format,
for
example,
rite-aid
CVS,
typically,
their
stores
are
about
ten
to
twelve
thousand
square
feet
and
so
I
kind
of
went
on
the
upper
end
of
that
going
at
15,000
square
feet.
Your
smaller
grocery
stores,
Trader
Joe's,
there's.
C
B
The
grocery
store
would
be
allowed
by
right,
correct
and
I
really
can't
conceive
that
a
large
grocery
store
would
go
downtown,
but
it
would
still
require
conditional
use.
Permit
yeah.
C
D
D
C
D
A
C
A
I
and
I
guess
the
other
thing
is
just
not
seeing
a
red
line.
It's
I'm
I
function
with
red
lines,
so
I'm
I,
don't
quite
know
exactly
where
the
changes
have
been
from
the
original
and
what
you
deleted
and
what
you
added
I'm
wondering.
If
anybody
else
has
that
discomfort
and
would
like
to
see
it,
come
back
as
a
red
line,
I.
C
A
A
A
A
F
Okay,
yes
I'm
William
Hamilton.
This
is
Bryan
strand
co-owners
of
the
grandpa
pet
resort.
We
have
a
facility
at
368,
South,
Palm
Canyon
in
Palm
Springs,
that
we've
had
now
for
four
years,
and
our
main
campus
is
on
the
eastern
side
of
the
valley
over
near
India
on
two
and
a
half
acres.
We
have
four
buildings
and
about
30
employees
and
contractors,
and
we've
had
that
business
for
15
years
and
we've
been
considered
the
top
pet
resort
in
the
in
the
valley
every
year.
They've
had
the
category.
F
The
purpose
for
being
here
today
is
that
when
we
established
our
business
over
on
Palm
Canyon
Drive,
we
knew
that
it
was
owned
in
a
zone
that
was
restrictive
to
us
expanding
our
business.
So
as
a
consequence,
we've
only
had
day
camp
at
that
facility,
because
the
category
only
allows
us
to
have
day
camp
activities.
We
cannot
sustain
ourselves
as
a
day
camp
only
facility
in
Palm
Springs.
F
We
have
also
pretty
much
confirmed
day
in
and
day
out
that
this
community
really
needs
downtown
pet
care
service
for
visitors,
as
well
as
residents
who
are
commuting,
but
we
knew
coming
in
with
eyes
wide
open
that
the
zoning
requirements
restricted
us
from
having
having
boarding.
We
don't
consider
ourselves
a
kiln
and
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
we
have
and
we
had
when
we
opened
our
campus
15
years
ago
on
the
east
side-
was
that
we're
a
pet
resort
and
we're
upscale
we're
very
neighbor
friendly.
F
We
have
all
of
our
buildings
a
very
high-end
they're,
very
aesthetically,
pleasing
to
the
community.
We've
done
serious
studies
on
noise
abatement,
health
issues,
safety,
all
the
concerns
that
might
make
hard
type
of
business
objectionable.
But
again
because
of
all
the
things
that
we've
invested
in
our
business
over
the
years,
we
don't
consider
ourselves
a
kiln
which
I
think
is
a
kind
of
an
outdated
term.
You
were
talking
about
that
earlier
about
some
other
businesses.
I
think
we
think
that's
a
little
bit
of
an
outdated
term
for
what
we
do
as
a
pet
and
resort.
F
So
what
we're
here
today
to
ask
is
whether
we
could
expand
our
services
in
a
limited
way,
but
we'd
like
to
have
the
ability
to
do
some,
some
boarding
at
the
facility
on
South
Palm,
Canyon
Drive,
which
would
allow
us
to
be
viable
and
maintain
a
service
in
Palm
Springs.
Otherwise,
we
were
not
very
optimistic
that
we
have
a
future
on
this
side
of
the
valley
just
doing
day
camp
and
we're
I'm
hoping
to
answer
any
questions
you
have
and
we're,
and
we
have
some
brochures
that
Brian
would
like
to
share
with
you.
If
you'd.
A
A
F
Just
behind
the
Rite
Aid
in
the
same
building,
that's
right,
a
drugstore,
it's
30,
it's
about
3400
square
feet
and
if
we
were
were
able
to
do
something,
we
would
like
to
maintain
our
business
there
and
have
some
limited
boarding
and
we
could
agree
with
whatever
makes
sense
for
the
city,
and
we
could
also
show
plans
of
how
we
would
do
that
and
any
concerns
you
might
have
about
noise
safety
or
otherwise.
We
certainly,
we
certainly
have
a
strong
history.
A
A
A
C
I
would
recommend
is
that,
if
this
is
something
that
the
Planning
Commission
would
like
to
entertain,
give
me
a
chance
to
develop
some
language,
for
you,
I
think,
there's
a
way
that
we
might
be
able
to
do
this
if
we
have
adequate
restrictions
in
place
so
that
there
aren't
impacts
to
adjacent
uses.
That's
one
of
our
major
concerns
with
kennels
is
you
do
have
noise?
C
A
D
Second,
that
but
I
would
like
to
add
Flynn.
Is
it
possible
for
you
to
take
a
look
at
what
are
adequate
facilities
for
kennel
operations
and
I
know
Kendall's,
not
the
words
you're
using,
but
basically
we're
talking
generically
about
a
kennel.
It
seems
to
me
that
you
want
to
make
sure
you've
got
enough
ample
area
for
running
for
exercising
the
dogs
and
I'm
wondering
whether
this
facility
will
have
that
and
what
the
standards
in
the
industry
are
for
a
good
kennel
operation,
because
that
would
be
a
concern
of
mine
as
well.
Yeah.
D
B
Lyndisty
the
system
ordinance
or
this
a
list
of
uses
can
it
be
segregated
into
any
smaller
areas.
I
could
think
this
being
inappropriate
for
the
core
downtown
area,
maybe
the
specific
plan
area
in
particular,
something
like
that,
but
not
as
much
of
a
problem
and
then
kind
of
the
periphery
where
this
is
they
are
located.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
have
any
Geographic
distinctions
or
not.
It's.
C
A
little
bit
difficult
in
that
the
entire
area
is
defined
as
a
single
zoning
district,
central
business
district.
Now
what
they
have
done
in
the
office
category
is
they've
defined
the
historic
village
center,
and
if
we
want
to
perhaps
use
that
as
excluding
kennels
within
the
historic
village
center,
that
might
be
a
way
to
distinguish.
Take.
C
A
C
We've
had
one
come
through
in
the
last
several
years
that
located
off
of
Ramon
in
our
industrial
area
that
came
through
for
a
conditional
use
permit
for
a
kennel
facility,
specifically
what
we
have
indicated
to
anyone
who
has
asked
in
the
planning
department
that
daycare
we
would
treat
the
same
as
any
type
of
a
pet
store
use
that
animals
are
there
on-site
during
the
day,
but
there
is
no
overnight
stays,
and
so
the
impacts
are
no
different
than
we
would
have
otherwise
again
with
kenneling.
You
have
issues
of
overnight
noise.
C
We
have
additional
waste
and
things
like
that
that
have
to
be
dealt
with,
and
so
we
do
typically
distinguish
those.
But
anyone
who
has
come
in
if
they've
wanted
to
do
daycare,
we've
allowed
them
to
do
it
anywhere
that
we
would
allow
a
pet
store
use
and
so
I
think
we've
been
pretty
even-handed
in
terms
of
that
interpretation
and
again,
I
can
think
of
only
one
other
kennel
facility
that
we've
approved
in
the
last
few
years.
That
is
not
in
the
downtown
area
and
specifically
directed
elsewhere.
A
A
A
A
A
Item
4a,
which
is
new
business,
and
this
is
not
a
public
hearing
item
Daniel,
L
Gore
of
Oscar's,
cafe
and
bar
for
an
amendment
to
a
land
use
permit
to
expand
indoor
and
outdoor
entertainment
options
for
the
existing
restaurant
bar
located
at
125,
East
tahquitz
canyon
way
suite
108
staff
report.
Please
thank.
A
G
Chair
and
commissioners,
and,
as
you
may
know,
Oscar's
cafe
and
bar
is
operating
at
125,
East
tahquitz
canyon
way
at
the
southeast
corner
of
taco.
It's
an
Indian.
The
business
has
been
in
operation
since
2013
and
last
year,
in
the
summer
mr.
Daniel
Gore
took
ownership
of
the
business
and
land
use
permit
was
transferred
to
his
name.
G
The
business
itself
is
a
full-service
restaurant
offers
a
full-service
menu
and
in
beverage,
selections
that
as
well
as
entertainment
as
a
part
of
its
normal
operation.
They
have
indoor
bands,
deejays,
open
microphone
sessions
and
productions
and
shows
when
the
application
originally
came.
In
last
summer,
staff
limited
the
outdoor
entertainment
to
acoustical
instruments
without
amplification,
except
on
Sundays,
when
a
disc
jockey
with
two
speakers
is
permitted.
So
staff
has
listed
the
hours
of
operation
on
page
two
of
your
report
the
afternoon
at
that
time
that
he
would
be
semane
amendment
in
the
future.
G
So
that
is
what
is
before
you
today.
The
African
has
submitted
a
request
to
expand
the
outdoor
entertainment
allowing
live
bands,
DJ's
productions
or
shows
between
the
hours
of
10:00
a.m.
to
1:00
p.m.
and
4:00
p.m.
to
10:00
p.m.
on
Saturdays
continue
the
operation
on
Sundays
from
4:00
to
10:00
p.m.
and
allow
up
to
3:00
nights
during
the
week
to
have
outdoor
entertainment
between
the
hours
of
4:00
p.m.
and
10:00
p.m.
G
the
African
doesn't
believe
that
all
of
these,
the
operation
would
not
occur
five
nights
initially,
but
only
as
business
picks
up
when
during
season
staff
has
had
some
issues
in
the
past
without
door
amplification.
So
that
is
the
reason
why
we
have
generally
not
allowed
or
approved
outdoor
amplification.
However,
there
this
is
one
exception,
as
it
is
located
if
within
the
central
business
district
and
is
somewhat
significantly
further
away
from
residential,
as
is
the
case
in
other
lower
situations.
G
The
zoning
code
does
permit
the
planning
director
to
refer
this
matter
to
the
Planning
Commission.
So
that
is
why
this
item
is
before
you.
In
our
analysis,
we
reviewed
the
impact
of
the
land-use,
as
well
as
the
compatibility
to
adjacent
properties
in
our
report,
and
we
would
note
that
you
know
in
the
history
that
the
owner
has
had
the
business.
He
has
not
had
noise
complaints
for
the
current
operation,
and
if
this
application
is
approved,
we
would
recommend
a
review
in
six
months.
G
G
G
D
You
mentioned
in
the
staff
report
that
the
proposal
is
for
amplified
music
had
increased
times.
You
talked
about
that
about
it
being
two
speakers.
When
the
applicant
came
before
you
did
he'd
explain
to
you
that
he
was
going
to
be
using
for
the
new
amplification
fied
times
the
same
two
speakers
that
are
currently
in
existence
on
the
site
now
and
not
be
changing
those
out,
or
was
that
a
discussion
that
you
had
with
him?
We.
D
D
A
Have
a
couple:
where
is
the
closest
residential,
that's
900
feet,
and
did
you
count
in
that?
The
residential
that's
permitted
in
the
specific
plan
right
now,
I
believe
residential
units
have
been
built
and
may
not
be
occupied
in
Block
C,
but
there
are
residential
units
in
Block.
C
of
the
specific
plan
and
block
F
is
targeted
for
residential
I.
Think
only
residential
would
be
allowed
there.
So
is
that
included
the
residential
that
you've
identified?
That.
G
A
C
Chair,
if
you
don't
mind,
I'll
jump
in
here
in
terms
of
infusion
Beach
64
at
the
Riv,
as
measured
from
property
line
to
property
line,
is
less
than
250
feet,
away
from
the
infusion,
Beach
parcel
and
so
again
with
infusion
Beach
residential
is
much
closer
to
that
property
than
what
we
see
here
with
the
Oscars
proposal,
and
so,
as
mr.
Newell
has
already
explained.
The
context
here
is
much
different
in
terms
of
the
proximity
to
residential
uses.
C
Also,
you
have
many
intervening
buildings
that
help
to
limit
or
block
the
sound
to
a
certain
degree
that
we
don't
find
in
the
infusion
Beach
area
per
se
and
also
in
addition,
there
is
a
history
of
having
outdoor
entertainment
with
this
specific
property
where
complaints
have
been
minimal
or
non-existent
in
terms
of
formal
complaints
being
filed
relative
to
the
noise.
So
there
is
a
history
that
they
have
been
able
to
operate
without
door
entertainment
successfully,
so
those
three
factors,
I
think,
contribute
to
our
recommendation.
C
H
E
G
G
E
G
A
C
A
D
Yeah,
you
probably
are
aware
of
this,
but
we
are
well.
We
are
a
resort
community
and
we
understand
we
have
to
make
it
fun
for
people
to
be
here
and
out
there,
music
and
outdoor
enjoyment
as
part
of
the
palm
swimming
experience.
We
are
concerned,
however,
about
neighbors
and
noise
issues,
and
my
question
to
you
is
I
know:
you've
got
two
speakers
there
now
and
I've
attended
some
of
the
events
on
Sundays.
D
Are
you
planning
to
enhance
those
speakers
at
all
and
if
you
could,
if
you're
not,
could
you
explain
to
me
how
they're
composed,
in
other
words,
subwoofers,
seem
to
be
a
real
problem
in
terms
of
a
beat
that
permeates
through
the
environment?
Do
they
contain
some
woofers,
and
can
you
describe
them
generally
and
are
you
going
to
keep
them
or
enhance
them
if
you
have
more
amplified
music
outside.
H
A
My
questions
go
more
again
toward
consistency.
We've
required
in
the
past
that
there
be
a
sound
limiter
system,
so
that
sound
would
be
limited
to
the
levels
that
would
be
at
the
property
at
the
edges
of
the
property,
so
that
sound
would
not
spill
out
and
that
there
be
some
limitation
on
bass
and
that
that
would
be
Pro.
That
would
be
pre-programmed
in
terms
of
the
extent
of
the
sound
that
came
out.
Is
that
something
that
you
would
be
comfortable
doing
when.
C
In
a
recent
approval
that
we
had
for
outdoor
entertainment,
their
system,
their
sound
system
actually
had
a
limiter
within
as
a
component
of
the
sound
system
itself.
So
it
is
modulated
so
that
at
the
perimeter
of
the
property
it
doesn't
exceed
the
city's
noise
ordinance
that
there's
always
a
monitor
in
place
or
a
reducer
in
place,
so
that
the
sound
could
never
exceed
those
limits.
And
so
again
it's
a
component
of
the
system
self,
rather
than
a
separate
monitoring
device.
H
This
I
have
one
of
my
vendors
here
that
plays
for
us
in
the
past,
and
he
said
it's
already
in
his
system.
So
as
long
as
it's
not
something
too
substantially
expensive
for
me
to
purchase
I,
don't
believe
that
would
be
a
problem
to
do
have
not
personally
known
about
a
limiter
I.
Do
you
have
smartphone
apps
that
used
to
monitor
our
sound
for
indoors,
so
I
definitely
could
use
that
to
monitor
the
sound
outdoors
to
keep
it
within
city
limits.
If
that
was
an
issue.
A
H
A
A
Staff
questions
for
staff
if
we
wanted
to
have
the
review
in
six
months,
be
before
the
Planning
Commission
instead
of
it
be
a
staff
review.
Do
you
have
a
problem
with
that?
I.
B
Sure
yep
I'm
not
inclined
at
this
time
to
put
additional
noise
restrictions
on
this
project.
It
has
a
long
history.
I
would
add
to
the
criteria
that
staff
talked
about
about
the
consistency
with
the
is
something
that
divides
this
from
the
the
infusion.
Beach
is
it.
B
This
is
part
of
downtown,
and
you
expect
and
I
if
I
was
moving
into
an
apartment,
downtown
and
building
B
or
building
C
I
would
expect
that
sort
of
noise
to
be
part
of
my
environment
and,
in
fact,
I,
would
probably
choose
to
live
there
because
I
like
to
have
that
convenient
and
that
sort
of
thing
that
this
is
not
something
like.
We
have
and
Las
Palmas
adjacent
across
the
street
from
infusion
Beach,
which
is
a
primarily
you
know,
a
typical,
more
suburban
style
neighborhood.
B
This
is
an
urban
neighborhood
and
herbs
get
noisy
sometimes,
and
this
is
what
adds
a
lot
of
the
flavor
to
it.
I
think
in
this
case
we
also
have
a
long
history
here
of
probably
the
worst
case.
Noise
would
be
on
the
Sunday
night
because
it
is
an
institution
in
there
and
a
major
community
in
our
town,
and
you
know
we.
We
have
no
problems,
at
least
with
respect
to
noise.
That
I'm
aware
of
I
know
some
people,
don't
like
the
interior
noise,
but
that's
a
different
question,
so
I
I
would
not
be
I.
B
D
Would
agree
with
Commissioner
Khalid
I
know
this
is
a
very
different
location.
It
is
downtown
Palm
Springs
people
expect
noise
if
you're
gonna
buy
an
apartment
or
rent
an
apartment
in
the
Downtown
Development
you're
gonna
expect
that
you're
gonna
want
that
kind
of
activity
and
I
really
don't
think
because
of
the
way
the
walls
are
placed.
These
of
you,
the
sound
equipment
that
that
the
historic
Tennis
Club
is
going
to
be
impacted
by
this
at
all.
E
Yeah
I
completely
agree
with
commissioners,
calor
dine
and
donenfeld.
You
know
the
way
I
look
at
this
part
of
downtown.
It
is
the
center
of
our
tourist
district
and
we
want
to
support
activities
that
people
find
fun
and
it
we
have
to
do
that,
and
we
know
in
this
case
they've
been
there
a
while
and
there
have
been
apparently
virtually
no
complaints,
including
the
businesses
across
the
street
Thai
smile
and
other
businesses
that
are
directly
impacted.
So
my
feeling
is
yes:
it's
potentially
five
nights
a
week.
10:00
p.m.
we're
gonna
review
this
in
six
months.
C
Chair
before
you
state
your
motion,
there
is
one
request
that
our
attorney
has
identified
on
condition:
number
ten.
We
indicate
that
they
would
be
allowed
to
have
outdoor
entertainment
on
Saturdays
and
Sundays,
and
then
it
says
and
three
other
nights
during
the
week
there's
some
additional
language
that
he'd
like
to
add
mr.
priest.
If
you
might
go
ahead
and
identify
that
thank.
E
You,
madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
just
a
brief
addition.
It
would
be
after
the
first
sentence
during
the
week
between
4:00
p.m.
and
10:00
p.m.
fourth
line
down,
we'd
recommend
the
three
additional
nights
shall
be
determined
by
mutual
agreement
of
the
permittee
and
the
planning
department,
and
that
way
the
city
has
a
say
in
which
of
those
three
nights.
A
Don't
I
state
my
motion
and
then
we'll
see
if
we
get
a
second
I
would
include
your
language.
I
would
include
the
language
that
the
speakers
for
the
sound
system
be
oriented
downward
and
facing
the
two-story
building,
as
is
currently
done,
that
there
be
no
enhancement
of
the
current
speaker
system,
no
increase
in
fire
increase
in
speakers
such
as
so
as
to
increase
the
volume
and
that
this
come
back
to
the
Planning
Commission
in
six
months,
as
opposed
to
coming
back
to
staff.
A
D
A
To
explain
I
do
think
that
we
want
some
controls.
We
don't
want
this
intensified
and
if
it
comes
back
in
six
months
and
we
find
that
we
do
need
a
limiter
system,
it's
something
that
I
would
like
to
see.
The
Commission
look
at
the
main
concern
for
me:
isn't
the
Sunday
tea
dance,
which
is
an
institution
but
increasing
it
to
five
days
a
week
and
seeing
if
we
have
complaints
and
issues.
A
This
passes
unanimously,
congratulations
and
we
look
forward
to
your
new
expanded
business
being
very
successful
with
that.
We
are
moving
right
along
to
planning,
commission
reports,
requests
and
comments.
I
do
have
one
Flynn.
Do
you
know
when
you're
planning
on
having
the
meeting
with
HSP
be
for
the
subcommittee?
That's
working
on
the
demolition
issues,
you're.
C
Stealing
my
thunder
madam
chair
I
had
just
spoken
with
the
chair
prior
to
the
meeting
today,
indicating
that
it
looks
like
we
are
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
language
about
demolition
of
structures.
This
is
a
topic
that
both
Planning
Commission
and
our
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board,
are
interested
in
mr.
priest
will
be
assisting
us
with
that
ordinance.
I
anticipate,
probably
in
about
two
to
three
weeks,
we'd,
be
ready
to
have
the
two
subcommittees
get
together
to
discuss
and
so
we'll
be
contacting
the
members
of
the
subcommittee
to
schedule
that
here
in
the
near
future.
C
B
A
Think,
yes,
we've
got
three
of
us
here,
who've
been
meeting
on
the
golf
course.
Conversion
ordinance
we've
had
one
study
session
in
two
subsequent
meetings.
An
initial
meeting
I
think
three
meetings.
We
have
been
had
the
pleasure
of
being
joined
by
a
number
of
the
members
of
the
public
who
live
adjacent
to
mesquite,
and/or
bel-air
greens,
both
neighborhoods
of
which
seem
very
concerned
about
what
potentially
could
happen
as
well
as
two
of
our
preservation
organizations,
trends
of
Palm,
Springs,
Mountains
and
oz.
Would
the
ice
would
friends
vows?
Would
Canyon
we've
draft
we've?
A
We
have
a
draft
ordinance.
We
had
gotten
comments
on
it
from
the
Commission
during
the
study
session.
We've
been
incorporating
them
and
have
a
few
issues
left
that
we've
been
trying
to
resolve
on
both
percentages
of
percentages
and
descriptions
of
required,
open
space
and
understandings
of
requirements
regarding
floodplain
areas,
we're
pretty
close,
we're
going
to
be
meeting
hopefully
again
next
week
or
in
two
weeks
and
with
mr.
E
Just
feel
that
we've
really
come
a
long
way
in
a
fairly
short
time
and
we've
gotten
good
input
from
the
public
and
we've
been
able
to
really
focus
on
issues
that
are
specific
to
our
city.
Even
though
was
based
on
city
in
Florida.
But
we've
made
it
much
more
specific
to
what
we
have
here
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
buttoning
it
up,
and
hopefully
the
council
will
will
review
it
and
review
proof,
because
I
think
there's
probably
developers
out
there
and
property
owners
that
would
like
to
know
what
the
standards
are.
A
A
I
You,
madam
chair,
just
a
couple
of
updated
items.
We
are
in
the
budgetary
process
and
I
would
like
to
make
to
highlight
that
the
current
budget
does
include
$400,000
for
a
zoning
plan.
Update
I
think
this
will
very
is
very
much
needed
and
will
be
helpful
as
a
part
of
the
PDD
process.
Also,
a
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
set
aside
currently
for
an
additional
associate,
planner
and
$70,000
for
a
contract
employee
to
help
with
the
zoning
updates,
and
these
are
recommendations
that
came
from
the
planning
director
to
the
city
manager.
I
He
included
them
in
the
budget
package
that
was
presented
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
yesterday
and
we
are
very
supportive
of
that.
But
obviously
that's
a
subcommittee.
It
still
has
to
go
to
the
full
City
Council
and
all
of
us
and
I'm
going
to
be
banging
on
this
drum
quite
a
bit
over
the
next
few
weeks
should
measure
C
Pass.
I
This
was
brought
up
by
me
at
the
last
City
Council
meeting
and
next
Wednesday.
We
will
be
considering
a
change
that
would
allow
chair,
worm,
ik
and
vice-chair
Khaled
ein
to
be
extended
for
their
terms
for
up
to
one
more
year,
given
the
fact
that
we
had
two
planning
commissioners
that
we
lost
in
the
court
earlier
this
year,
one
to
the
untimely
death
of
Commissioner
Lowe
in
my
own
election
to
City
Council,
we
we
believe
experience
is
critical
on
the
Planning
Commission.
I
We
have
staggered
terms
because
we
want
turnover
not
to
come
all
at
once,
but
to
come
over
longer
periods
of
time
in
addressing
this
particular
issue.
This
time
we
are
trying
not
to
create
a
precedent
that
would
have
every
Commissioner.
That's
term
is
coming
up
to
and
start
lobbying
for
an
extension.
We
think
there
are
extraordinary
circumstances
with
the
importance
of
the
work
of
the
Planning
Commission
and
the
experience
of
the
two
of
you,
and
so
that
will
be
considered
this
Wednesday
and
I
am
hopeful
that
it
will
be
approved
in
the
last
one.
I
This
is
much
more
a
personal
comment
than
it
would
be
from
the
entire
City
Council,
but,
as
you
do
go
into
your
work
on
reform
of
the
PDD
process,
I
would
very
strongly
encourage
and
ask
that
you
consider
some
of
the
changes
in
the
public
benefit
process
that
were
discussed
at
Planning
Commission
it's
and
at
City
Council
last
year.
What
you
decide
is
absolutely
your
decision,
but
I'd
encourage
you
to
at
least
address
that
question
and
with
that
I'll
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
A
D
I
I'll
fall
back
on
the
director,
but
the
recommendation
that
I
understood
that
was
coming
from
staff
was
that
we
stagger
this
over
the
course
of
a
couple
of
years,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
do
all
of
it
in
one
year.
That,
certainly
from
a
budgetary
standpoint,
makes
it
easier
if,
in
fact,
it
makes
it
easier
for
the
director
to
do
the
work
got.
C
If
I
might
just
follow
up
on
that,
that
is
correct,
that
we
don't
anticipate
doing
all
the
work
at
once,
and
nor
do
we
have
the
staffing
to
be
able
to
do
that.
What
I
had
requested
is
that
we
start
off
doing
updating
the
land-use
element
in
the
housing
element,
because
we
have
significant
concerns
with
the
issues
that
we
have
before
us
and
with
the
changes
that
have
been
recommended
through
the
ad
hoc
PDD
subcommittee,
that
that
was
really
critical
for
us
to
do.
C
A
Other
questions
of
city,
councillor
middleton,
just
in
response
I,
believe
we
have
included
public
benefit
a
public
benefit
section
in
the
draft
ordinance
that
Planning
Commission
discussed
in
our
last
meeting,
and
we
have
to
refine
our
comments
and
then
bring
that
back.
I
think
Flynn.
We
were
anticipating
bringing
that,
though,
as
a
package
with
the
small
lot
subdivision
and
PDD
open
space
and
golf
course
conversions
at
one
time.
I
would.
C
Actually
like
to
stagger
those
just
a
little
bit
we'll
move
forward
with
the
Golf
Course
conversion
as
you've
made
wonderful
progress
on
that
will
bring
forth
the
PDD
changes,
and
then
we
will
follow
shortly
thereafter,
with
the
small
ordinance
I
think
trying
to
discuss
them.
All
at
once
becomes
a
little
bit
problematic,
but
understanding
that
they
work
together
is
important,
and
so
we
do
want
to
have
them
closely.
Follow
one
another.
C
C
They
are
also
going
through
a
revision
process
on
those
two
golf
courses,
but
again
that
has
served
as
an
impetus
for
adopting
regulations
in
terms
of
how
you
deal
with
open
space
buffers
and,
most
importantly,
with
public
input
that
they
are
codifying
the
public
input
process
for
those,
and
so
again,
congratulations
to
our
subcommittee,
who
is
doing
excellent
work
in
that
regard.
And
that
concludes
my
report
to
you
and
again,
thank
you
for
being
here
today.
So.
C
Has
because
of
the
significant
amount
of
concern
with
the
proposals
as
they
originally
came
in
by
the
public
by
the
applicant?
The
public
is
concerned
with
what
the
applicant
has
proposed.
So
in
the
case
of
one
of
the
Las
Vegas
golf
courses,
it
has
been
revised
several
times
and
there
is
a
lawsuit
in
process
relative
to
one
of
those
with
the
Collier
County
example.