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However,
the
balance
of
the
items
on
the
agenda
will
not
be
taking
public
testimony
during
those
items,
but
your
if
you
have
the
comments
on
me,
those
items
you're
encouraged
to
testify
now
for
a
limit
of
three
minutes
or
if
you
want
to
testify
to
any
other
item
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission.
Please
do
so
now.
It's
a
really
public
comment.
F
Now
that
that's
the
way
we
used
to
do
business
here
in
town
and
I
for
years,
I've
been
frustrated
when
I,
look
at
agendas
and
I
see
a
proof
or
proof
of
proven.
They
usually
approve
a
proof
of
proof.
Whatever
the
developer
wants
and
I
think,
we
need
to
dyskinesia
to
go
back
to
this,
because
the
staff
is
here
to
advise
the
Commission
and
to
give
you
different
options
and
maybe
given
the
pros
and
cons
of
each
option.
F
But
this
commission
is
the
one
that
should
alternate
lead
aside
and
I
really
was
very
impressed
by
the
new
city
attorney
handling
it
in
that
fashion
and
that's
the
way
I
actually
remember
we
used
to
handle
in
the
fashion.
Maybe
that's
right.
We've
got
some
bad
projects
because
we
didn't
handle
it
in
that
fashion.
So
I
really
think
I'd
like
you
to
give
some
real
thought
on
that
for
the
future,
because
staff
is
there
to
advise
staff
is
there
to
research
it,
but
the
commissioners
have
to
ultimately
make
the
decision.
Thank
you.
Thank.
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We
can
say
something
I
wanted
to
let
this
Commission
that
there
are,
there
will
be
representation
from
and
Starbucks
and
also
Tommy
Bahama's,
if
at
some
point
in
time
that
this
commission
would
like
clarification
or
perhaps
justification
or
or
cause
for
some
of
the
things
that
we're
asking
for
that,
I
would
encourage
you
to
perhaps
exercise
the
if
the
option
to
be
able
to
you
to
to
allow
some
of
them
to
speak.
If
that
is
an
option,
if
not,
then
they
also
understand
I've.
G
These
tenants
that
I
mean
that
are
moving
in
they're,
not
just
national
brands.
They
are
global
brands
and
they
obviously
invested
significantly
significant
amount
of
time
and
money
to
ensure
the
the
success
of
their
brands.
I
think
it
would
be
advantageous
to
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
to
to
work
with
them
as
much
as
possible,
because
we
all
when
I
say
we
I
mean
those
of
us
who
have
been
in
the
city
of
for
as
long
as
we
have
and
care
about
to
see.
G
As
much
as
we
do
to
ensure
that
they
are
as
successful
as
possible
and
I,
don't
think
any
of
them
have
come
forward
with
their
sign.
Programs
are
the
same
plans
with
the
intent
of
having
the
biggest
sign
possible
or
the
most
science
possible.
It
has
been
part
of
their
marketing
in
and
Brad
and
branding
strategies.
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D
It's
on
two
different
items:
I,
don't
think
the
minutes
on
to
be
actually
reflect.
The
discussion
and
I
think
they
should
be
sent
back
and
gone
back
over
from
the
hearing.
I
had
sent
Flynn
items,
but
it
missed
a
number
of
the
various
items
that
we
discussed
in
terms
of
how
they
were
being
handled
so
I
I.
Just
think
on
that
item.
The
the
motion
needs
to
be
looked
at
from
the
tapes
and
I
did
I
did
review
the
tapes
and
I
don't
feel
like
I
feel
like
there's
a
good
deal
in
it.
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Syrena
villas
and
the
motion:
what
happened
on
Sarina
villas
is
I
think
the
motion,
as
recorded,
doesn't
actually
reflect
the
motion
that
we
made
yet
and
I
listened
to
the
tape
and
unfortunately
the
tapes
were
changed
right,
as
the
motion
was
being
made,
so
I
think
we'd
have
to
go
over
it
with
Flynn's
notes
and
what
my
suggestion
with
this
is
that
we
defer
this.
So
the
motion
I'd
make
on
the
tenth
as
we
defer
this
to
the
next
meeting.
I'll.
I
I
B
A
D
Then,
on
the
24th
on
item,
it's
on
the
hotel
item,
chewy
the
Saline
Palm
Springs.
We,
the
one
one
item
that
was
in
the
approval,
is
missing,
which
was
a
consistent
in
the
approved
items.
There
should
be
a
three
which
is
a
consistent
or
touching
canopy
of
shade
trees
along
Avenue
Caballeros
along
that
frontage
and
that
didn't
get
into
the
approvals.
D
The
Nexus
item-
I
just
think
it
should
go
in
this.
We,
it
mentions
that
both
myself
and
Commissioner
Jana
Feld
said
that
this
was
not
an
appropriate
area
for
residential
and
it
has
a
commercial
designation
but
I
think
that
was
in
motion
as
we
made
it
in
terms
of
affirming
the
staff
report
and
I
think
it
we
did.
We
denied
it,
but
it
should
say
that
the
denial
was
based
on
the
staff
report
and
also
the
fact
that
it
wasn't
appropriate.
It
wasn't
appropriate
an
appropriate
area
for
residential
okay.
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Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
so
well,
very
briefly,
this
item
has
been
before
you
in
the
past
I
eat
out
for
an
amendment
in
2015
and
also
a
time
extension
also
in
2015.
This
project
was
originally
approved
by
the
City
Council
in
2006
for
a
mixed-use
development
that
will
consist
of
10
homes
and
commercial
retail
space.
But
what
you
have
before
you
today
is
a
minor
amendment.
J
In
our
code,
a
minor
amendment
is
one
that
does
not
affect
the
intent
of
the
PD
does
not
affect
a
significant
impact
of
changes
or
revisions
to
the
site
layout
or
the
sideline
itself.
What
you
have
today
changes
to
materials
and
some
designs.
So,
but
specifically,
these
changes
will
involve
reduction
of
massing
in
some
selected
units
reduction
of
heights
and
some
and
certain
units
and
building
materials.
Those
would
consist
of
paints
painting
and
in
some
cases,
tiles
and,
of
course,
the
color
palette.
J
So
the
applicant
has
decided
to
introduce
a
different
color
palette
different
than
the
ones
were
originally
approved
in
2006
and
2015.
These
changes
will
also
include
changes
to
some
of
the
garages
of
these
units.
The
applicant
is
going
to
speak
more
on
the
nuances
and
details
of
those
changes,
but,
in
short,
those
are
the
main
changes
that
have
been
requested
today.
J
According
to
our
code,
specifically
section
93,
all
3-0
G,
this
type
of
changes
are
allowed
to
be
taught
to
be
made
by
the
Planning
Commission.
Only
so
did
the
decision
that
you
make
today
will
be
the
final
unless
appealed
to
City
Council,
because
again,
this
amendment
does
not
affect
the
intent
of
the
PD
in
the
staff
report.
I
specifically
mentioned
the
units
that
will
be
affected
and
the
kind
of
changes
that
will
be
taking
place
in
those
units.
J
Yeah
units
e-m-f,
where
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
remove
the
clerestory,
thereby
the
reducing
the
heights
that
were
previously
approved
at
twenty
five
point:
six
to
be
reduced
to
twenty
two
point:
six,
none
of
those
changes
will
have
more
structural
changes
to
them
in
height
or
in
changes
on
the
site.
Layout
findings
in
support
of
these
changes
have
been
made.
They
are
contained
in
the
staff
report,
but
also
this
item
was
presented
to
the
ASC
and
with
a
unanimous
recommendation
of
approval
to
the
Planning
Commission
just
quickly.
J
Let
me
run
through
before
the
applicant
is
called
to
make
a
presentation
to
you.
The
package
that
you
have
consists
of
the
site
plan
and,
as
you
go
through,
that
you
will
see
at
the
top
the
previously
approved
plans.
2015
is
the
one
that
says,
2015
and
those
that
says
2016.
Those
would
be
the
proposed
proposed
changes
to.
J
J
J
Status
is
the
status
of
the
home
of
the
project
is
valid.
It
is
still
valid
there.
So
let
me
just
run
through
this
GG
very
briefly,
so
the
project
was
originally
approved
in
2006
and
in
2008
the
original
PD
approval
was
valid
for
two
years.
The
the
developer
did
apply
for
it
an
extension
of
time
in
2008
he
did
receive
an
approval
and
a
recommendation
of
approval
of
the
map
to
the
City
Council
in
2009.
J
Another
extension
from
July
12
2009
to
July
11
2010,
was
granted
by
the
Planning
Commission
for
the
PD
and
in
2010.
The
Planning
Commission
also
approved
a
one-year
extension
of
time
from
July
12
through
July
11
2011
and
on
July
20
feet
2011.
The
Planning
Commission
also
granted
a
another
extension
of
time
for
this
project
from
2012
to
July
11
of
no
I'm,
sorry
from
July
12
2011
to
July
11
2012
in
May
23
of
2012.
J
The
Planning
Commission
also
granted
an
extension
of
time
from
July
12
to
July
11
2013
and
in
2013
the
Planning
Commission
granted
an
extension
of
time
from
July
12
to
2013
to
July
11
2014
in
May
of
23
2014
that
will
be
may
14
2014.
The
Planning
Commission
also
a
grantor,
an
extension
of
time
from
July
11
2014
through
July
10
2015.
The
last
extension
of
time
for
this
project
was
granted
on
June
24
2015
from
July
10
2015
through
July
9
2016.
J
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B
The
PDD
entitlement
has
vested
since
the
last
extension
in
2016.
The
developer
has
ultra
minutes,
done
rough
grading
and
actually
installed
utilities
in
the
parcel
based
on
the
installation
of
utilities.
It's
our
opinion
that
that
entitlement
did
in
fact
best
the
standard
in
the
Municipal
Code
for
vesting
of
the
PVD
is
that
substantial
construction
has
occurred
and
again
staff
interprets
the
action
taken
by
the
developer
to
install
the
utilities
to
satisfy
that
requirement
for
vesting
are
the.
E
Not
entirely
completed
the
applicant
has
done
I
believe
about
1.2
million
worth
of
utilities
on
the
side
installed:
1.2
million
of
utilities
on
the
site.
There
are
still
some
off-site
improvements
that
need
to
occur
in
terms
of
the
perimeter,
sidewalk
replacement
of
landscaping,
and
things
like
that.
But
most
of
the
utilities
are
in
place
on
the
site
and.
H
E
D
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B
B
But
again
we
are
looking
at
the
nature
of
work
that
has
gone
into
the
site
in
making
that
determination
and
its
staffs
opinion
that
by
placing
utilities
and
ground
in
accordance
with
the
permit,
that's
been
issued,
even
though
it
has
not
been
final,
that
that
meets
the
threshold
of
substantial
construction.
So.
H
D
Just
to
continue
on
that
the
purview-
and
this
is
where
the
city
attorney
the
purview
of
what's
in
front
of
us
is
limited,
because
this
has
vested
and
we're
considering
either
the
project
as
it
was
previously
approved,
or
the
project
in
the
project
as
it's
coming
to
us
now,
is
that
correct
I
mean
we
have
no
additional
discretion.
That's.
B
Correct
the
matter
before
you
is
whether
or
not
you
will
approve
of
the
minor
modifications
to
an
approved
PDD.
The
PDD,
as
approved
as
of
today,
could
be
constructed
and
built
out
by
the
developer
of
what
they're
seeking
to
do
is
bring
the
matter
back
before
Planning
Commission
for
modifications
and.
D
Then
a
question
for
Flint
and
Edward
I
wasn't
sitting
on
this
body
in
2006,
so
I
don't
really
understand
the
project
as
it
was
approved
in
2006.
Are
there
any
design
boards
here?
That
would
show
us
what
the
project
was
intended
to
look
like,
so
we
have
a
larger
sense
of
the
modifications
they're
requesting
and
that's
just
it's
as
I
looked
through
the
drawings,
I
didn't
get
enough
of
a
sense
of
what
I
think.
E
What's
critical
to
look
at
is
they
have
provided
for
you?
What
was
most
recently
approved
in
2015,
and
so
that's
what
would
be
able
to
be
built
today
if
they
didn't
come
before
you
with
this
minor
amendment?
That's
what
they
would
build
today,
and
so
that
is
what
I
would
offer
to
you
as
guidance
and
so
they've.
D
B
B
B
B
B
K
Planning
Commission,
my
name,
is
Todd
Cunningham
with
Woodbridge
Pacific
group
addresses
seven
five,
four
one,
seven
spyglass
in
Indian,
Wells
California
and
president
of
Woodbridge
Pacific.
We
have
a
a
couple
of
projects
that
we've
worked
on
in
town,
the
sky
project
that
that's
halfway
built
and
then
the
project
across
the
street,
from
the
Cameron
on
Palm
Canyon,
and
we
have
been
retained
by
the
ownership
of
the
Cameron
project
to
be
the
manager
and
developer
of
this
project.
We
don't
have
an
ownership
interest
in
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that's
clear.
We
are.
K
What
you
have
before
you
is
some
modifications
primarily
to
the
colors
that
were
approved
and
what
we
propose
to
change.
We
went
through
several
focus
groups
and
both
our
sky
project
and
our
in
the
seven
seven,
seven
Palm
Canyon
project
and
out
of
those
focus
groups.
One
thing
that
struck
me
is
that
the
colors
that
are
preferred
by
by
potential
buyers
and
a
cohort
of
people
that
would
be
potential
buyers
that
were
in
the
focus
groups,
is
white,
white
and
more
white.
So
what
we've?
K
There's
some
massing
changes
very
minor.
We
Edwards
spoke
about
the
plan
enf
and
select
that
the
clear
stories
were
removed
and
part
of
what
we.
What
we
did
with
these
with
this
architecture
is.
There
were
several
that
were
there
were
a
lot
of
split
levels
in
the
architecture,
again
harkening
back
to
2006,
and
so
they
were,
they
were
cut
up
an
onion
with
elevation
changes,
two
and
three
step
elevation
changes.
K
We
cleaned
that
up
and
by
doing
so
we're
able
to
reduce
the
the
height
of
those
units
and
and
therefore
remove
the
clear
stories
from
a
kind
of
a
half
loft
that
was
in
the
building
plan
other
than
that
there's
no
height
changes.
The
massing
changes
are
minor,
very
minor.
The
predominant
change
is
the
color
that
would
go
from
that
that
green
mustard
palette
to
a
much
lighter
and
fresher
looking
architecture
that
depicts
that,
to
some
degree,
but
it's
not
in
color.
As
to
the
the
questions
about
the
cost
of
infrastructure
that
are
in
place.
I
K
Have
on
my
phone
and
I
can
email
to
Edward
the
actual
accounting
ledger.
Since
we
are
the
manager
we
we
have.
The
books
of
the
company
and
I
can
show
you
exactly
what
we
spent
on
sewer
water,
storm
drain
utilities,
streets
and
whatnot
and
I've
got
it
broken
down.
I
sent
it
that
word
so
I'm
not
going
to
stand
up
here
and
tell
you.
K
We've
spent
money
that
we
haven't
spent
because
I
can
show
you
the
accounting
ledger,
and
so
it's
it's
complete,
but
it's
a
million
172
that
we
spent
to
date
on
infrastructure
and
then
another
six
hundred
and
thirty
seven
thousand
dollars
in
grading
the
site.
So
it's
up
just
a
tick
over
a
million
eight
and
I
can
I
want
to
give
you
the
actual
cost.
Excuse
me
I'm
on
my
phone
and
an
email,
because
this
just
came
up.
K
So,
where
we
spent
three
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
water,
we
spent
four
hundred
and
thirty
one
thousand
utilities
spent
two
hundred
thousand
storm
drain,
one
hundred
and
sixty
six
thousand
and
some
minor
landscaping
up
thirteen
thousand
on
streets.
We
just
got
started
at
twenty
three
thousand:
the
plans
for
the
Palm
Canyon
widening
across
the
frontage,
the
West
frontage
of
the
project
are
through
plan,
check
or
very,
very
close
and
expect
to
be
starting
those
improvements
on
Palm
Canyon
within
the
next
month
or
two.
K
In
addition,
the
architecture
is
getting
ready
to
be
approved
through
plan
check,
and
so
this
project
is
about
ready
to
physically
come
out
of
the
ground,
with
vertical
construction
and
major
improvements
along
Palm
Canyon
Drive,
which
the
Torino
neighborhood
has
been
very
interested
in
seeing
get
in
because
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
the
issues
that
exist
there.
We
just
got
involved
in
this
maybe
six
months
ago,
so
we're
trying
to
move
this
along,
and
this
is
a
major
major
step
in
moving
the
project
along
and
getting
those
improvements
done.
A
A
L
Good
afternoon,
commissioner
city
staff,
my
name
is
bill.
Post
resident
of
Palm
Springs
I
wanted
to
come
out
today
to
tell
you
how
happy
I
am
Woodridge.
Pacific
group
is
involved
with
the
Cameron
project.
I
also
wanted
to
make
sure
that
the
action
item
from
the
December
9th
2015
Planning
Commission
meeting
regarding
trail
van
trail
improvements
would
still
apply.
L
As
you
know,
City
Council
approved
the
talk
which
Creek
master
plan
seven
years
ago
and
improvements
to
the
trail
from
Bilardo
Road
to
South
Palm
Canyon
will
be
designed
by
the
Woodbridge
Pacific
group
and
from
what
I've
seen
in
the
plans.
They
did.
A
terrific
job
and
I
think
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
the
same
people
Woodbridge
Pacific
involved
in
the
next
segment
of
the
trail
on
the
south
side
of
the
creek
and
that's
Cameron,
which
is
what
we're
talking
about
today.
L
M
I'm,
not
six
foot
three
here.
Yes,
my
name
is
Judy
deer
track
and
I'm,
actually
a
candidate
for
City
Council,
and
this
project
is
one
of
the
reasons
I'm
campaigning.
I
am
I've,
been
on
a
PDD
study
with
the
PDD
study
group,
it's
gone
through
the
Planning
Commission,
it's
on
its
way
to
the
City
Council.
M
The
primary
thrust
of
my
findings
on
a
two-year
study
for
commercial
permits
over
the
last
ten
years
is
that
there
is
virtually
no
adherence
to
the
general
plan
and
the
general
plan
land
use
classification-
and
this
is
another
poster
child
for
that.
But
before
I
get
into
that,
my
primary
comment
to
you
is
I
have
a
huge
issue
on
process
here
from
the
comments
made
that
it
was
the
staff
determination
that
substantial
construction
had
occurred.
M
I
would
like
to
question
the
procedure
on
that
and
ask
the
city
to
take
a
very
close
look
at
that
procedure.
It's
my
understanding
that
the
staff
responsibility
is
to
get
you
a
full
spectrum
of
information
so
that
you
can
make
that
determination,
that
is
your
province,
and
that
staff
report
should
have
clearly
delineated.
The
issue
of
the
extensions
of
time,
the
fact
that
the
last
of
extension
of
time
was
June
of
2015
and
that
the
city
was
taking
any
kind
of
position
that
substantial
construction
had
occurred,
because
that
was
not
in
that
staff
report.
M
I
brought
up
that
issue
and
once
it
is
brought
up,
not
only
should
that
be
fully
covered,
but
staff.
My
understanding
of
both
the
resolution
and
the
staff
is
very.
They
should
be
giving
you
a
range
of
options
but
sure
the
decision-makers
you're
the
ones
that
have
been
put
on
this
board
to
take
those
recommendations
up
to
the
City
Council.
And
if
the
City
Attorney's
office
is
not
happy
with
those
recommendations,
they
have
a
closed
session
in
which
they
can
make
recommendations
on
the
threat
of
litigation.
M
If
they
disagree
on
your
recommendation
on
substantial
construction
and
I
would
like
to
look
at
the
city
at
the
possibility
of
changing
to
that
mode,
because
what
I'm
finding
over
the
last
few
years
there's
reasons
we're
drifting
from
the
general
plan,
and
it
is
because,
by
the
time
it
gets
to
you,
your
options
are
so
limited
that
you're
driven
to
a
conclusion
that
does
not
concur
with
what
the
public
had
decided
for
that
area.
This
area
was.
This
was
the
outreach
to
me
on
this.
This
was
approved
in
2006.
M
The
city
is
now
telling
us
that
substantial
improvements
went
in
in
the
year
2015-2016
somewhere
in
there.
That
is
a
ten-year
gap.
Why
weren't
there
public
workshops
on
that
tenure
gap
where
we
could
look
at
the
issues
of
compliance
and
secondly,
this
was
approved
as
tourist
resort,
commercial
tourist
resort
commercial
would
have
never
approved
this
type
of
project.
Now,
in
the
2000
general
plan
of
2007
General
Plan
Update,
you
have
actually
changed
the
general
plan.
Land
use
designation,
it's
now
mixed
use
and
it
doesn't
comply
with
that
either.
On
the
CV
link.
M
F
Hear
me
now
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
advocates
for
better
Community
Development.
As
the
title
says,
we
are
very
deeply
concerned
about
Bella
Community
Development
Palm
Springs,
because
we
drifted
away
quite
a
bit
from
it.
In
the
last
few
years,
Woodridge
has
come
in
as
a
partner.
The
original
developer
and
the
funked
I
have
a
lot
of
respect
for
routledge.
In
fact,
I
testified
on
his
behalf
on
their
behalf
for
their
Skye
development,
both
before
this
body
and
before
the
City
Council,
but
sometimes
when
they
disagree.
F
I
will
also
testify
and
I
feel
very
concerned
about
this
BDD.
It
has
waived
everything
from
open
space
to
setbacks,
to
Heights
to
parking
it's
again.
Basically,
what
we're
facing
is
a
larger
morrison
or
a
larger
dakota
project
and
unfortunates
in
a
very
prominent
spot,
where
this
will
be
a
place
that
every
decision
you've
all
seen
the
drawings
of
the
thing
it's
pretty
heavy
but
three-story
buildings
and
it's
dense,
it's
dense
and
unfortunately,
the
public
benefits
are
some
about
public
benefit
about
the
trail,
but
they're,
basically
very
flimsy.
F
It
talks
about
a
special
plaque
fence
materials
will
enhance
landscape
articulation
of
a
fence
line.
These
are
not
major
public
benefits.
It's
it's
a
good
deal
for
the
developer.
As
I
say,
the
PDD
basically
has
been
a
process
where
we
have
a
sign
hanging
out.
The
developers
come
and
do
anything
you
want
and
we'll
give
it
to
you-
and
this
is
not
what
people
have
expressed
interest
in
the
last
election
was
very
clear.
F
The
people
wanted
some
basic
changes
and
bare
in
into
what's
going
on
in
the
town,
and
this
is
not
what
it's
gonna
be.
Now
it's
going
back
to
2006
it's.
It's
really
reviving
the
dead
anyway,
the
basically
the
project
is
out
of
out
of
sync
with
the
its
developer.
It's
PDD
development,
PDD
approval
and,
of
course,
we're
talking
now
about
in
pacific,
significant
investment.
I've
invited
just
before
came
here.
F
K
I
didn't
hear
much
about
what's
before
you
in
terms
of
architecture
and
colors
and
massing
and
the
like,
which
is
the
minor
minor
architectural
amendment
as
to
the
project
and
its
entitlement,
it
was
entitled
in
2006.
It
was
extended
several
different
times
as
we
went
through
a
very
very
severe
recession
and
capital
and
debt
was
we
weren't
involved
in
the
project,
but
I
know
from
experience.
It
was
very
difficult
to
move
anything
forward
during
the
time
of
this
recession,
but
the
project
did
get
expanded.
K
K
There's
six
phases
in
the
project:
the
bead
that
then
the
BRE
phasing
that
homeowners
association,
BRE,
phasing
that
we've
got
approved,
I,
think
I,
believe
it's
six
phases
and
the
timing
we've
got
to
get
the
improvements
along
Palm
Canyon
done.
We
got
to
get
the
houses
through
the
final
plan
check
which
they're
very
close,
and
then
we
can
start
the
project
later
this
year.
Okay,.
K
K
But
I
have
we've
had
plenty
of
discussions
about
the
commercial
and
there's.
Certainly
no
discussion.
I've
never
had
one
discussion
with
the
owner
about
not
building
the
commercial
just
that
to
get
the
rooftops
on
the
ground.
First,
before
you
do
the
commercial,
which
is
typically
the
way
you
do.
It.
K
In
the
first
days,
therein
we
have
to
to
infrastructure
phases,
there's
six
building
phases
but
to
infrastructure
phases,
and
the
creeks
would
go
in
with
the
second
half
of
the
infrastructure
improvements
because
because
the
first
I'm
sorry
to
interrupt
you.
But
the
first
phase
of
construction
starts
near
the
entry
and
goes
south
and
then
East
and
then
wraps
up
around
the
north
side.
And
the
north
side
of
the
development
is
one
of
the
later
construction
phases.
And
that's
where
the
Creek
improvements
are.
D
I'm
just
comment
because
I
I
raised
the
question
as
a
timing:
I
would
concur
with
staff
that
there's
been
substantial
investment
in
this
project
and
they've
relied
on
it.
I,
don't
think!
That's
it
just
an
issue
before
us,
but
I
do
think
that
when
people
it's,
it
may
be
a
problem
with
the
fact
that
we
don't
have
a
limit
on
extensions
on
old
PD's,
but
that's
something
I
hope
we
cure
in
the
future.
B
D
A
C
I
They
just
I
think
it's
I
think
you
haven't
proved
it
I.
Think
architectural
II,
it's
cleaner.
The
colors
are
much
better
with
respect
to
the
comments
during
public
comment.
I
think
that
this
Commission
is
very
aware
of
the
fact
that
we
need
to
pay
more
attention
to
the
general
plan
and
more
attention
to
process
and
I
think
we've
started.
We've
made
a
good
start
by
making
recommendations
to
the
City
Council
on
how
the
small
watt
ordinance
can
be
affected
in
how
we
can
adhere
more
closely
to
our
code
and
to
our
general
plan.
I
So
I
think
with
respect
to
those
issues
this
council,
this
Commission,
has
religion
and
we're
going
to
do
better
about
it,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
we
adhere
to
the
basic
documents
that
govern
the
city.
Having
said
that,
though,
this
is
a
project.
That's
been
long
in
the
world.
It's
a
terrible
eyesore!
It's
been
standing
vacant
for
a
long
time.
It's
in
a
very
prominent
place.
All
of
the
entitlements
have
been
secured
and
I
do
believe.
There's
been
significant
compliance
with
respect
to
work.
That's
already
been
done.
I
So
having
said
all
that
and
understanding
the
concerns
of
some
of
our
public
regarding
our
adherence
to
our
documents
as
a
city,
we
are
going
to
do
better
about
that
and
be
much
more
diligent
about
it
in
the
future.
But
this
is
one
that's
already
been
in
the
pipeline
for
a
long
time,
so
I'm
going
to
support
the
motion.
A
C
C
J
J
So
let
me
show
on
the
screen
Desai
plan,
but
first
just
a
brief
background
of
this
site
and
the
site
has
been
undeveloped
for
a
while,
but
the
entire
community
and
the
immediate
surrounding
areas
are
developed
with
similar
buildings
of
very
moderate
to
low
income
apartment
complexes.
The
on
this
particular
site,
the
the
parcel
to
the
north
and
side
of
it
a
develop
with
very
similar
building.
So
again
it
is
looking
at
the
architecture
itself.
It
looks
minimal,
but
then
he
went
to
ASC
on
may
1st
2017.
J
At
that
time,
the
s
he
formed
a
subcommittee
to
work
with
the
architect
and
the
developer
to
improve
the
site
plan
and
the
some
of
the
features
of
the
elevations
and
the
floor
plan
itself,
especially
also
on
the
landscaping
and
the
front
area.
So
the
subcommittee
met
on
three
occasions
with
the
with
the
architect
and
on
those
three
location
made
revisions
to
the
project,
and
so
finally,
when
it
was
presented
to
the
back
to
the
ASD,
we
got
an
a
unanimous
recommendation
for
approval
to
the
Planning
Commission.
J
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
it
is
going
to
be
located
in
an
archers
own
area.
They
are
not
seeking
for
any
deviation
from
development
standards
of
that
area
in
terms
of
height
setbacks
or
the
density
and
parking
requirements.
So
the
applicant
made
a
lot
dot.
The
I
have
some
more
some
more
plans
on
the
board
for
you
when
he
went
to
to
the
ASC
one
of
the
issues
that
they
talked
about.
The
most
was
the
screening
of
the.
J
Mechanical
equipments
the
applicant
has
taken,
has
revised
the
plans
to
to
properly
screen
the
equipment
and
made
improvement
also
on
the
landscaping,
especially
trees,
on
the
packing
and
in
the
courtyard
area.
So
I
have
the
limit
report
here
and
again,
because
it
is
a
moderate
proposal
and
it
does,
but
it
does
fit
well
with
the
existing
development
in
that
neighborhood
and
generally,
it
does
confirm
with
the
architectural
guidelines,
as
required
in
our
course
based
on
this
staff
is
recommending
approval
of
this
project.
That
basically
concludes
my
staff
report.
J
A
D
One
I
think
it's
you
know,
I
think
the
structure
itself
fits
well
in
the
neighborhood.
I
went
out
and
looked
at
it
and
a
project
that
we
previously
approved
the
Oasis
upgraded,
the
neighborhood
and
I'm,
not
sure
I
I
feel
like
the
design,
is
a
little
more
minimal
than
the
last
project
that
we
approves
there,
which
had
some
some
design
embellishments
that
made
it
look
more
attractive,
so
I'm,
that's
the
only
concern
I
have
about
it.
I
like
the
fact
that
it's
an
apartment,
building,
I
think
the
structure
is
fine.
A
H
Just
a
question:
maybe
the
applicant
can
help
me
out
I'm
the
landscape
plan
you're,
showing
a
five
foot
high
slump
block
wall
between
the
building
and
the
property
line,
and
that
and
on
the
other
site
plans.
It
doesn't
does
not
indicate
that
so
is
the
intent
to
build
that
five
foot
block
wall
on
the
front
of
the
building,
yeah
press
the
between
the
parking
lot.
Yes,.
H
I
B
E
B
Yeah
and
Kathy
I,
you
know
all
respectfully
disagree.
I
think
this
building's
simple
I'd
almost
rather
have
a
building
err
on
simplicity
than
trying
to
do
too
much.
I
think
the
building
type
is
wonderful.
It's
nice
to
see
us,
as
you
stated,
some
apartments
being
built,
especially
in
that
neighborhood,
so
I
think
it's
a
very
attractive
project
and
I
think
the
AAC
did
a
good
job
in
terms
of
making
those.
A
C
I
A
D
A
Next
item
on
the
agenda:
Palm
Springs,
safe
access,
Inc
request
for
a
major
architectural
approval
to
install
a
36,000
square
foot,
prefabricated
greenhouse
for
a
medical
cannabis
cultivation
cultivation
facility
and
a
fourteen
hundred
and
forty
square
foot
modular
office
building
located
at
the
west
side
of
melissa
lane
and
south
of
16th
Avenue,
so
e1
staff
report.
Please.
J
Good
afternoon
mr.
chair
once
again,
this
is
where
two
for
three
so
I
hope
to
go
for
three
for
three
right.
So
this
is
another
major
architectural
application
and
it's
been
filed
by
Sir
Robert
van
rule
on
behalf
of
Palm
Springs,
safe
access.
It
is
a
medical
cannabis
cultivation
facility,
and
this
is
the
first
major
architectural
application
that
we
have
in
the
city.
So
it
is
a
major
architectural
application.
So
there's
a
difference
between
these
and
any
other
kind
of
application
before
you.
J
But
in
any
case
this
facility
will
consist
of
a
greenhouse
facility
itself
and
it's
going
to
be
approximately
36,000
square
foot
in
size.
It
would
also
have
a
modular
office
building
aside,
approximately
1,000
for
around
40
square
foot
and
I
just
want
to
spend
a
minute
to
talk
about
that
in
the
process,
because
when
this
project
was
taken
to
the
ASC,
they
were
pleased
will
be
with
the
green
house
itself.
J
J
This
this
project
is
located
way
back
in
the
way
up
north
on
16th,
Street
and
Melissa,
which
would
bother
us
DHS
they're,
mostly
wind
farms
and
and
I
get
related
users
in
that
area.
You
know,
I
know
any
closer,
a
residential
use
or
commercial
use
in
that
area,
so
I'm
trying
to
go
back
to
the
system
to
show
pictures
of
the
area,
but
in
any
case
it
is
mostly
energy,
industrial
area
and
again,
wind
farms.
J
We
have
made
necessary
friendlies
in
support
of
the
project
and
again
the
issue
to
that
we
will
want
the
Planning
Commission
to
give
us
direction
on
is
the
issue
of
the
temporary
modular
office.
Building
that
the
applicant
is
proposing.
The
AEC
also
recommended
a
condition
to
you
that
when
the
applicant
is
prepared
to
move
forward
with
the
permanent
structure,
that
I
will
bring
it
back
to
the
ASC
for
review
and
recommendation
to
you.
So
that
essentially
concludes
my
presentation.
J
I
I
know
this
is
the
first
time
we've
been
looking
at
a
grow
facility
for
Palm,
Springs
and
I
know
it's
going
to
be
an
industry
that
will
explode
dramatically
in
the
next
few
months.
My
question:
is
there
any
regulations
outside
the
city,
state
regulations,
County
regulations,
that
we
should
be
looking
at
the
guide
us
with
respect
to
a
facility
like
this
or
are
they
still
yet
to
be
promulgated?
E
Terms
of
what
you're
looking
at
today,
this
is
a
land
use
approval
to
construct
a
building,
and
so
in
terms
of
that,
you
are
not
being
asked
to
look
at
anything
else
other
than
that
from
the
standpoint
of
are
there
other
state
requirements
that
would
be
applicable
to
this,
for
the
actual
land
use
approval?
No,
now
there
will
be
requirements
relative
to
medical
cannabis
uses
in
terms
of
the
operations
in
terms
of
how
they
handle
product
things
like
that.
But
again
those
don't
fall
into
the
realm
of
a
land
usage
rules.
I
E
What
I
might
use
as
an
example
for
restaurants
or
kitchens?
They
require
an
approval
from
Riverside
County,
the
Health
Department.
We
as
the
Planning
Commission,
don't
get
into
those
issues,
but
rather
there
is
some
type
of
a
condition
of
approval
that
states
you
have
to
get
the
necessary
state
or
county
approvals
before
you
can
begin
to
operate.
The
same
would
be
true
of
medical
cannabis
that
if
there
are
any
state
requirements
that
be
required
to
get
those
approvals
before
they
begin
operations.
E
H
D
J
Let
me
extend
on
the
background
briefly
once
on
my
time.
So
the
overall
size
of
this
is
possible
is
approximately
around
seventy-five
acres,
but
the
applicant
is
only
buying
approximately
thirteen
point.
Eight
eight
acres
out
of
that.
That's
what
he's
going
to
be
using
my
belief
is
that
the
applicant
intend
to
expand
beyond
what
you
have
before
you
today
and
so
on.
At
that
time,
he
will
be
building
a
more
permanent
structure.
That
was
that's
when
the
current
modular
office
building
will
be
replaced.
E
It
would
be
appropriate
to
place
a
time
frame
on
the
temporary
structure.
Again,
I
would
ask
the
applicant
to
help
us
define
what
that
timeframe
is,
and
then
the
requirement
would
be
that
when
they
come
back
with
a
permanent
structure,
that's
going
to
need
to
go
through
an
architectural
review
process.
D
C
J
In
in
most
major
architectural
applications,
in
addition
to
decide
planning,
there
is
always
a
requirement
for
landscaping,
but
because
of
the
the
condition,
the
arid
conditions
of
that
part
of
the
city
of
the
northern
part
of
the
city
in
the
past
they
are
the
Planning
Commission
had
waived
requirement
of
landscaping
in
the
area
because
they
do
not
survive
the
done
succeed.
There
is
no
potable
water
in
their
area.
There's
no
sprinkler
system
in
the
area.
J
C
C
E
E
The
comment
that
was
made
by
one
of
the
members
of
the
AAC
is
that
in
place
of
installing
landscaping
on
the
site,
perhaps
there
were
things
that
could
be
done
with
DG
or
boulders
to
kind
of
give
layering
or
berming,
or
things
like
that,
and
so
that's
where
that
discussion
came
from
in
terms
of
the
use
of
boulders
again,
that
was
a
recommendation
of
the
AAC
that
the
Planning
Commission
may
consider,
or
you
may
choose
to
do
other
things
in
terms
of
landscaping
or
site
improvements.
I'll.
F
O
Yes,
so
my
name
is
Robert
banruo
and
co-founder
of
Palm
Springs,
safe
access,
so
the
temporary
structure
I'm
more
than
willing
to
accept
a
sunset
provision
on
that
it
was
meant
as
a
temporary
structure,
to
keep
this
timeline
in
place
and
get
the
structure
up.
We
will
be
developing
the
entire
site
over
time
and
I
will
be
bringing
a
full
site
plan
to
you
shortly.
So
I'm
totally
willing
to
accept
a
time
frame
on
that
and
a
permanent
structure
will
be
placed
there
as
will
be
accommodating
a
significant
amount
of
employees
on
the
site
down.
I
H
O
O
B
B
O
O
A
D
Two
things
this
one
is
I'm
delighted
to
see
this
going
in
it's
exciting
to
actually
see
the
development,
since
we
approve
that
the
changes
underneath
the
windmills
they're
from
what
I
can
tell
there
are
no
human
neighbors
on
this
site.
There
is
a
power
plant,
but
a
that's
in
another
city,
but
so
I.
Don't
one
I
want
to
prove
this
to
I'm
delighted
to
see
it
going
in
three
I.
Think
eight
months
is
maybe
a
little
short
to
require
the
I
would
say
two
years
to
require
the
building
to
be
changed.
D
C
B
A
N
A
B
A
A
N
N
N
There
will
be
four
directory
signs,
one
on
each
building
located
between
each
of
the
two
pairs
of
the
buildings.
So
those
are
the
three
types
of
signs
that
are
proposed
by
the
same
program.
The
applicant
has
submitted
a
rendering
of
the
two
monument
signs
in
their
proposed
locations,
so
those
monument
signs
are
eight
feet
in
height
from
the
ground
on
which
they
are
located
and
will
contain
both
the
identification
of
the
complex
as
Kaptur
Plaza,
as
well
as
the
identification
of
individual
tenants
within
the
complex.
N
The
sign
program
was
reviewed
by
the
Historic
Site
Preservation
Board,
on
June
13th
of
this
month
into
2017.
They
issued
a
certificate
of
approval
for
the
same
program
and
but
before
that
occurred
they
there
were
some
comments
on
the
sign
program
when
one
board
member
specifically
stated
there
was
some
concerns
with
monument
sign
being
12
feet
in
height
and
the
location
being
near
the
entryway,
the
driveway
entryways
in
the
center
of
the
complexes.
So
that
was
a
previous
iteration
of
the
same
program.
N
The
same
program
before
you
is
is
the
revised
program
since
that
meeting
and
what
you
have
now
are
two
monument
signs
that
conform
to
the
eight-foot
height
limit,
as
opposed
to
the
1/12
foot
high
in
the
very
middle
of
the
prop
of
the
two
properties.
So
in
an
effort
to
respond
to
those
comments,
the
applicant
has
revised
the
program
to
have
the
two
monument
signs
at
18
height.
N
So
this
is
before
the
Planning
Commission
has
the
monument
signs
do
contain
individual
tenant
names
quite
typical
and
they
are
multi
tenant
properties
under
our
zoning
code
generally
we'd
not
allow
monument
signs
or
freestanding
signs
on
multi
tenant
properties.
So
that
is
why
this
is
before
you
today.
N
C
N
C
N
H
N
C
C
N
B
I
I
N
N
H
N
N
N
I
Guess
my
question
would
be
if
they
don't
know
how
many's,
if
they
haven't
built
anything
yet
depending
on
what
their
leases
are
going
to
look
like?
Might
they
have
places
that
it's
Lots
on
the
monument
sign
which
are
not
filled
because
they
don't
have
that
many
tenants
in
the
building,
potentially
so
I?
Take
it.
The
money
with
side
will
be
crafted
in
such
a
way
that
you
won't
have
these
empty
spaces
if
they
can't
just
re-engineer
the
sign
yeah.
M
My
pleasure
to
be
here,
Susan
Sequoia
Johnson,
for
the
record.
Yes,
we've
been
working
closely
with
you
captain
on
this
project
and
he
actually
came
up
with
the
overall
geometry
of
the
sign
and
we've
designed
the
program
in
such
a
way
that
it
will
be
flexible.
We
know
that
with
the
nature
of
retail,
the
only
constant
is
change,
and
so
it
will
be
up
to
the
property
owner.
As
far
as
who
gets
their
place
on
the
building
and
the
sign,
we
would
like
the
fonts
to
remain
consistent.
M
The
current
building
numbers
are
inconsistent,
but
the
700
building
has
the
pure
almost
nature,
like
oil,
rubbed,
bronze
numbers,
and
we
want
to
stay
consistent
with
that
font.
So
we
will
work
closely
with
the
sign
fabricator
and
we
want
each
of
the
four
buildings
to
be
identified
as
building
600
650
700
750.
Therefore,
there
will
not
be
a
name
on
the
building
other
than
the
tenant,
the
main
tenant.
A
M
M
B
C
M
G
M
P
P
It's
probably
not
the
smartest
thing
to
take
on
32,000
square
feet,
a
vacant
office
space
and
Palm
Springs.
That's
been
gutted
and
scheduled
for
demolition,
but
I
did
so
here
we
are
what
I'm
trying
to
do
is
trying
to
be
very
sensitive
with
the
architecture
of
the
building.
Having
you
around
to
guide
me
has
been
very,
very
helpful.
P
Basically,
I've
got
four
buildings
of
8,000
square
feet.
Each
the
leasing
is
going
to
be
a
challenge,
but
if
I
don't
put
into
place
some
sort
of
sign
program
where
these
tenants
can
be
identified,
another
big
issue
is
fire
life
safety.
These
buildings
are
so
Mis
marked
that
a
fire
department
answering
the
call
or
two
attendant.
They
don't
know
where
they
go
to
the
600
building
the
750
building,
they
all
look
alike.
P
So
I
worked
with
the
fire
marshal,
as
well
as
the
post
office,
who
has
had
a
constant
problem
with
deal
email
to
these,
so
I've
worked
with
all
of
them,
so
I
think
an
important
improvement
is
one
the
address
on
the
sign,
so
it's
readily
visible
from
the
street
a
setup
on
the
buildings,
standardizing
the
font
and
the
numbers
I
think
is
great.
Making
the
monument
signs
match
the
architecture
of
the
building
so
perfectly,
and
what
I'm
trying
to
do
with
the
signage
is
I
didn't
want
to
create
a
scale
on
the
buildings
at
all.
P
I
didn't
want
to
create
a
scale
that
was
inconsistent
with
the
architecture
of
the
building.
So
to
try
to
put
into
answer
your
question
you
had
mentioned,
you
have
four
tenants
to
have
five
tenants
I'm
happy
to
share
some
of
the
tenants
that
have
that
we've
signed
on,
but
the
main
issue
is:
there's
always
going
to
be
an
anchor
tenant
each
building
and
that
anchor
tenant
in
order
to
get
them
to
take
on
the
good
size.
P
You
know
good
square
footage
amount
which
to
me
would
be
four
thousand
square
feet
or
half
of
the
building
they're
not
going
to
do
so
unless
you
give
them
some
visibility,
and
so,
instead
of
sticking
for
tenant
names
on
the
side
of
you
know,
architectural
buildings
I
wanted
to
reserve
that
for
one
and
I
want
it
to
be
large
enough
visible
from
the
street,
but
not
have
the
whole
building
start.
Looking
like
a
billboard
and
then,
therefore,
when
you
designed
this,
the
monument
signs
I
came
up
with
that
number,
because
you
know.
P
Typically,
we
don't
have
big
tenants
in
Palm.
Springs
people
are
knocking
down
my
doors
to
read,
3,000
square
feet,
they're
calling
me
they
want
500,
they
want
400,
they
want
600
I,
don't
want
a
monument
sign
with
32
tenant
names
on
it.
I
also
don't
want
a
building
with
a
tenant
names
on
it.
So
it's
my
idea
to
make
it
balanced.
P
So
that's
where
we
came
up
with
the
six
there's,
no
doubt
in
my
mind
that
each
building
will
have
approximately
six
tenants
and
that's
just
assuming
you
know
six
tenants
over
a
thousand
square
feet
or
more.
So
that's
the
minimum
that
I
thought
would
work
and
you
agreed,
and
that
gives
the
smaller
tenants
that
aren't
the
anchors
some
visibility.
P
Some
consistency
with
you
know
how
they're
their
name
is
displayed
some
recognition,
which
they
really
can't
get
the
way
the
buildings
are
built
very
few
windows
on
this
building
that
also
so
I'm
having
a
lot
of
trouble
with
tenants,
money,
natural
light
when
there
isn't
any
I
think
you
messed
up
on
that
one.
But
so
that's
where
the
number
comes.
Some
of
the
tenants,
the
anchor
right
now
for
the
650
building
is
coffee.
It
was
going
to
be
coffee,
Central
and
they
are
I,
have
worked
really
closely
with
them
and
we're
building
out
for
them.
P
P
They're
moving
their
bakery
facilities,
which
now
serves
our
other
three
locations
to
this
building,
so
that'll
put
them
well
established
into
the
building.
I've
got
an
escrow
company
coming
in
I've,
got
a
lending
company
coming
in
and
I
myself
from
taking
over
the
600
building
and
turning
it
to
executive
office
suites.
That's
the
business
I
run
in
Portland
and
it's
a
business
business
I
run
on
Palm
Canyon.
The
nice
thing
about
the
executive
office.
P
I
have
a
fitness
trainer
going
in
a
personal
trainer,
not
a
gym,
but
more
of
a
fitness.
I've
turned
down
two
restaurants
and
two
grocery
stores
and
I
want
to
get
into
that.
I
have
enough
of
that.
My
other
building,
so
I'm
trying
to
make
it
a
high-end,
Professional,
Center
and
the
reason
I
pushed
so
hard
and
gave
so
many
concessions
to
coffee
is
because
these
buildings
have
no
life
at
all.
P
I
haven't
had
life
for
a
very
long
time
and
to
just
see
people
sitting
outside
or
a
tables
or
going
in
out
to
get
a
coffee,
and
it
will
also
help
me
lease
the
executive
suites
and
they
can
walk
across
the
courtyard.
It's
you
know,
it's
gonna
be
vibrant,
again
and
I
think
that's
the
most
important
part
so
to
do
a
sign
program
that
complements
the
building
as
minimum
tenant.
P
Spaces
I
think
are
feasible
to
be
able
to
lease
the
building,
but
not
create
a
sign
with
a
lot
of
empty
spaces
and
right
now,
I
I'm,
pretty
much
if
I
may
be
short,
but
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
run
in
a
situation
where
any
of
those
six
templates
for
the
tenants
are
gonna
be
vacant.
It's
gonna
take
some
time,
but
it's
it's
gonna
be
really
a
nice
complex
and
it's
just
a
lot
of
work
in
a
lot
of
money,
but
I
hope
you
support
it
because
I
think
you
did
a
great
job.
H
Discussion
you
know
I
just
like
to
thank
the
applicant
cuz
I,
think
it's
a
wonderful
project.
I
think
Susan's
did
a
wonderful
job
on
the
architecture
and
it
sounds
like
you're
really
bringing
that
building
back
to
life
which
that
corner
that
location
with
what's
going
on
across
the
street,
it's
a
whole
new
little
sub
neighborhood
for
us.
So
thank
you.
H
B
H
D
B
D
N
Khaled
ein
and
commissioners,
so
what
you
have
before
you
is
proposed
sign
program
for
the
two-story
building
that
is
under
construction
at
this
time.
It
is
part
of
the
downtown
Palm
Springs
specific
plan
and
was
approved
back
in
October
of
2014
by
City
Council.
Just
there's
a
little
bit
of
background,
the
only
other
sign
program
that
you've
reviewed
the
spark
within
the
downtown
specific
plan
at
the
block,
a
sign
program,
and
that
was
approved
back
in
April
of
last
year.
N
The
sign
manual
poses
different
types
of
signage,
including
ground-floor,
tenant
signs,
and
an
additional
sign
for
the
second
floor
uses
direct.
It's
a
basically
a
directional
sign.
That
would
be
a
blade
sign
on
the
building.
There
are
two
types
of
main
identification
signs
for
the
tenants,
the
primary
sign,
which
is
above
the
entry
excuse
me
above
the
overhang
on
each
side
and
then
the
secondary
signage,
which
is
your
blade
signs
and
your
entry
door
and
window
signage
the
sign
manual.
Also
it
has
discussion
on
temporary
signs
and
prohibited
signage
types.
N
So
again,
going
back
to
the
main
signs
there
there's
the
primary
sign
identification
above
the
awnings
and
those
are
individual
letters
push
through
or
other
cabinet
or
other
types.
The
secondary
sign,
as
I
said,
is
the
blade
in
window
signs.
So
what
you,
what
they
are
proposing
is
the
individual
letters
that
are
basically
above
each
of
the
Anees
they
extend
over
the
glazing.
N
You
can
see
that
here
on
this
slide,
where
there's
basically
rectangles
on
the
facade
of
the
building,
where
the
signage
would
be
located
so
for
each
tenant
they
have
their
rectangular
facade
pop
out.
That
extends
from
the
face
of
the
building
and
Nataly
each
tenant
will
have
a
custom
essentially
storefront
above
the
awning,
as
was
any
you
know,
window
display
that
they
may
have,
but
this
main
sign
would
be
located
above
the
awning
that
extends
out
above
the
glazing.
Well,.
N
Signs
are
on
the
on
in
itself,
though,
these
would
be
on
the
background
above
the
awning,
so
what
they
are
proposing
are
up
to
to
the
sign
program
that
you
have
before
you
and
what
was
presented.
The
AAC
includes
two
signs
up
to
two
signs
on
each
elevation.
The
area
of
signage
is
allowed
to
be
one
and
a
half
square
feet
of
area
per
lineal
foot
of
business
furnish
the
sign
length
itself
is
not
to
exceed
3/4
of
the
tenants
storefront
and
they
do
not
have
any
definition
or
limitation
on
letter
height.
N
So
that
is
what
is
being
proposed.
We
look
at
what
is
allowed
in
our
sign
ordinance
for
the
downtown.
You
are
limited
to
one
sign
for
street-front.
The
area
in
the
sign
is
not
to
exceed
exceed
one
square
foot
of
sign
area
for
lineal
foot
of
frontage.
Its
overall
length
should
not
exceed
two
thirds
of
the
storefront,
and
the
letter
Heights
themselves
are
not
to
exceed
14
inches
with
the
first
letter
letter
permitted
at
as
high
as
16
inches,
so
that
basically
translates
to
non
conformance
to
the
signed
ordinance
with
what
is
being
proposed.
N
N
As
I
said,
there
are
two
types
of
secondary
main
signs:
the
blade
signs
and
the
window
signs.
The
area
of
the
blade
sign
is
12
square
feet
per
side,
but
that
is
all
that
is
limited
for
criteria
for
the
blade
sign
in
the
sign
program.
As
far
as
window
signs,
they
are
proposing
every
alternating
window
to
have
a
one
square,
foot,
identification
sign
and
that's
to
be
a
vinyl
cut,
graphic
or
text.
N
So
when
we
compared
the
same
program,
we
looked
at
what
was
approved
on
block
a
to
give
us
a
comparison
as
and
some
sort
of
base
analysis
for
our
recommendation
on
this
sign
program
in
general.
All
signage
is
that
was
approved
on
block
a
is
only
for
the
first
floor.
Tenant
son
was
approved
for
the
second
floor,
as
I
stated
in
the
beginning
of
my
presentation.
They
are
proposing
primarily
first
floor
tenant
signage,
but
there
will
be
actually
one
sign
where
the
entry
is
for
the
second
floor.
H
N
A
blade
sign
the
individual
so
for
the
primary
identification
sign,
which
is
the
sign
above
the
awning
they
are
requesting,
as
I
said
one
and
a
half
square
foot
of
area
perfect.
Let
me
put
a
frontage
that
is
consistent
with
what
is
was
approved
on
block
a.
They
did
have
a
limitation
as
to
send
me
2%
of
the
store
front
with
wood
for
the
walk,
a
sign
program.
So
the
increases
increases
being
requested
here
at
a
seventy-five
percent
of
the
overall
store,
with
a
storefront
width
and.
H
D
N
This
again
is
12
foot
square
sign
being
proposed
and
requested,
and
as
far
as
the
window
signs,
they
are
essentially
consistent,
except
in
Block
B.
They
are
more
restrictive.
When
you,
the
area
for
every
alternating
window
and
block
a
was
3
square
feet,
block
B
is
proposed
as
one
square
foot,
so
it
is
more
restrictive
in
that
regard.
N
This
was
reviewed.
This
program
was
reviewed
by
the
architectural
committee
on
May
15th
and
they
approved
recommended
approval.
Subject
to
five
conditions:
the
first
was
that
the
tenant
signage
that's
shown
and
the
elevations
was
recommended
for
approval.
So
when
the
AEC
looked
at
the
sign
program,
they
they
were,
they
did
look
at
the
favor,
the
signage
favorably,
with
respect
to
the
minimal
area
that
was
being.
N
That
would
be
essentially
graphic
or
text
because
it
was
more
open
in
terms
of
it
wasn't
big
block
lettering
with,
for
instance,
the
free
people
sign
that
you
see
is
a
cursive
letter.
That's
very
thin,
tight
topographer,
stroke,
stroke
right.
So
basically
they
burn
favor
of
what
was
being
shown.
So
that
was
with
the
first
recommendation.
H
N
D
H
N
So
staff
reviewed
those
recommendations
and
did
note
a
couple
of
concerns,
primarily
as
a
regard
to
the
recommendation
that
all
future
signs
return
to
the
ACA
Planning
Commission.
We
felt
that
that
could
potentially
delay
future
tenants
just
says
that
it's
pretty
atypical
for
our
process
when
we
approve
sign
permits.
Generally,
when
we
have
a
sign
program,
that's
our
guide
and
our
our
book
that
we
use
for
any
more
green
signage,
and
it
doesn't
require
everything
else
to
come
back
before
the
Commission,
so
for
every
individual
tenant
that
comes
back
for
signage
or
for
sign.
N
Permit
we're
recommending
that
if
they
meet
certain
criteria
that
can
be
approved
at
the
staff
level,
as
opposed
to
returning
to
both
the
AC
and
Planning
Commission.
So
that
criteria
would
be
that
if
the
sign
is
no
more
than
16
inches
in
letter
height
and
meets
out
the
criteria
of
the
downtown
sign
ordinance,
then
it
would
be
something
that
SAP
would
be
approved.
So.
N
If
it
exceeds
those
requirements,
then
they
would
have
to
come
back
okay,
so
that
would
be
our
second
recommendation.
Our
first
recommendation
was
that
was
essentially
consistent
with
what
the
AEC
recommended.
The
third
recommendation
is
that
blade
signs
would
return
for
staff
review
at
this
recommended
or
the
size
recommended
by
the
AEC.
N
However,
with
regards
to
the
uniform
appearance,
being
I
did
fight
as
nine
to
ten
feet
since
that
time,
we've
taken
some
measurements
of
the
elevations
and
the
overhangs
at
the
locations
above
the
sidewalk
and
the
nine
to
ten
feet,
essentially
when
it
work,
because
that's
are,
those
are
some
of
the
height
of
the
the
overhangs
above
the
sidewalk,
so
basically
what
we
recommend
in
our
conditions
attached.
The
resolution
is
that
the
specific
height
dimension
be
approved
by
the
planning
director,
and
that
would
be
something
we
would
look
at.
N
A
C
Just
a
question
in
terms:
are
you
have
the
science
plan?
How
does
that
comport
with
say
Tommy
Bahama's
and
their
national
image,
national
sign,
etcetera
in
terms
of
integrating
into
this?
They
have
to
comply
with
this,
so
they
come
back
to
us
with
their
corporate
signage
that
we
have
to
approve,
but
so.
N
This
block,
B
is
actually
block.
C
is
where
Tommy
Bahama
will
be
located,
so
the
Block
B
sign
program.
What
you
see
in
the
elevations
are
all
the
tenants
that
are
essentially
what
the
tenant
said
proposed
and
requested,
and
so
that
as
well
as
me
right
before
you,
and
so
essentially
it
is
a
match
they're
there.
So
the.
C
N
A
D
N
D
I
N
N
I
D
B
A
H
Okay,
one
of
the
requirements
was
that
the
background
of
the
main
sign
be
consistent
through
each
of
the
town
sees.
Is
that
correct
correct
and
do
we
know
what
that
background
is.
N
N
N
She's,
seven,
for
instance,
in
the
master
same
plan
she
on
the
elevation.
One
of
the
signs
has
a
darker
background
well
and
that
would
be
the
Bistro
there
and
that
was
actually
reviewed
by
the
AAC
subsequent
to
the
same
program
and
approved.
So
each
tenant
basically
would
have
some
leeway
as
far
as
what
their
facade
are.
What
you
know,
corporate
identity
they
want
to
have
within
that
framed
white
stucco
areas.
N
H
N
H
H
N
H
H
H
N
H
N
B
H
I
So
getting
back
to
my
original
question,
yeah
I
have
to
I
think
I'm
clear
on
this.
The
reason
they
want
two
main
signs
is
because,
with
respect
to
each
tenant
in
this
building,
it
looks
like
they
have
two
main
areas
of
visibility
or
entrance.
You've
got
you've
got
the
corner
buildings
which
have
two
fronts
basically,
and
then
you've
got
the
middle
buildings
which
which
have
a
an
opening
on
the
on
the
west
side
and
on
the
east
side,
visibility
on
both
they
go
through.
So
they
want
signs
main
signs
on
both
sides.
N
I
Now
I
understand
where
the
I
was
excited,
kept
thinking.
It
was
two
main
signs
on
the
same
elevation
which
made
no
sense
to
me.
They're,
not
the
same
elevation.
Just
you've
got
you've
got
the
two
that
go
through
yes,
but
then
the
two
that
go
through
they've
got
two
elevations
two.
You
got
a
West
and
East
I
get
it
one.
H
Differentiation,
some
of
these
tenant,
one
two
of
the
tenants
go
front
to
back,
is
assuming
that
I
think
we're
assuming
that
they're
gonna
have
entrances
in
front
and
back
front
being
comp,
Canyon
and
back
being
facing
West
in
the
event
that
the
tenant
chooses
not
to
have
an
entrance
on
the
back
or
west
side.
Would
that
change
the
analysis
of
the
signage
program.
B
So
David
just
to
clarify
the
themes:
I'm
looking
at
sheet
number
sheet
number,
eight,
the
free
people,
retail
space-
and
you
know
that
this
is
the
exception.
I
think
I
sort
of
like
to
just
discuss
it.
They
have
two
signs,
even
though
it's
one
store
the
whole
architecture.
This
building
is
predicated
on
these
popouts
orbit.
Reads:
I
guess,
and
you
know
just
for
a
signage
program.
B
A
B
J
A
D
G
Good
afternoon,
once
again,
I'm
Jim
cross,
representing
best
science
and
as
you've
probably
heard
me
state
before
on
block
a
I,
represent
the
client
and
there's
literally
no
design
work
here
of
ours.
Our
task
is
to
achieve
this,
I
am,
and
in
each
and
all
of
these
all
of
these
applications.
We
asked
the
the
tenants
to
submit
what
it
is
that
they
want
further
for
their
space.
G
That
was
recommended
by
the
AAC
that,
on
the
for
free
people,
elevation
on
the
South
elevation,
they
only
be
allowed
to
have
one
sign,
and
that
was
that
was
agreed
upon.
I
didn't
think
that
we
would
get
it
approved
with
two
signs,
but
that's
what
they
asked
for.
So
that's
what
we
asked
for
I
think
that
Block
B
I'm
glad
we
started
with
block
B,
because
there's
really
not
much
really
in
in
contention
a
block
B
is
pretty
straightforward.
G
The
architecture
of
this
entire
building
is
the
same,
and
the
only
thing
that
does
change
is
that
space
within
the
sign
panel
and
I
think
that
it's
not
a
very
good
representation
here,
but
I've
seen
the
the
Bistro
since
the
middle
and
their
background
is
kind
of
this
really
neat
dark
wood,
and
so
that
gives
it
that
allows
them
to
give
them
their
personality
and
their
character
within
that
space,
and
so
I
I'm.
It's
good
to
hear
that
I
want
to
fight
that
battle
sounds
like
the
planning.
D
N
N
G
N
G
It's
nine
okay,
well,
I
would,
without
going
back
to
the
clients,
just
kind
of
move.
This
thing
along
I
would
agree
to
reduce
from
twelve
square
feet
down
to
nine
and
to
make
sure
that
the
that
the
clearances
meets
the
code,
which
I
believe
is
nothing
I.
Think
we'd
probably
want
to
keep
it
at
eight
feet.
It's
possible
to
some
of
those
overhangs
will
not
be
able
to
get
a
blade
sign.
There's
one
of
the
overhangs
I.
G
Think
David
was
that
eight
foot-
nine,
that's
not
enough
height
to
actually
carry
a
blade
sign,
so
it'd
have
to
be
a
minimum
of
probably
a
nine
foot
canopy
in
order
to
carry
a
blade
sign
and
it
was
recommended
by
the
ASC
that
all
the
places
be
be
consistent
in
InDesign
for
Block
B.
We
do
agree
to
that
and
we
also
agreed
that
we
would
bring
the
Planning
Department.
What
that
blades
with
that
blade
bracket
or
the
hanging
mechanism
would
be
so
that
block
B
is,
is.
D
H
Think
it's
gonna
look
like
you
forgot
to
put
one
up
there,
but
I'd
like
to
make
it
part
of
our
approval
that
the
75%
be
the
width
of
the
vitrine
element
and
not
the
width
of
the
entire
storefront,
because
I
think
3/4
of
that
Petrine
element
as
the
length
of
the
sign
is
long
enough.
If
you
add
the
additional
width,
it's
gonna
be
too
long.
D
H
The
individual
letters
are
better
looking
signed
than
a
cabinet
sign
in
this
context.
If
there's
something
like
that,
building
out
on
racket
club,
where
we
approve
the
cabinet
sign
last
time,
it's
it's,
it
has
a
different.
It's
it's
a
strip,
Center!
It's
it's!
It's
a
convenience
center!
You
know
this
is
this
aspires
to
be
something
much
more
than
that
and
I
think
the
individual
letters
are
handsome
all
the
tenants
so
far
using
them,
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
need
to
revert
cabinets
sign
in
the
future.
So
those
are
my
three
modifications
to
the
staff
report.
D
I
D
D
D
I
A
A
N
N
N
N
N
Again,
the
blade
sign
and
the
window
signage
would
be
the
secondary
signage,
that's
permitted
for
each
tenant
and
the
same
deviations
that
were
requested
for
Block
B
are
being
carried
forward
for
this
block
too,
so
they
are
requesting
signage
on
the
west
elevation,
which
would
deviate
from
my
sign
ordinance
as
it
is
not
a
street
frontage.
Main
signs
are
limited
to
one
per
street
front
and
they
are
also
requesting
duplicate
main
signs
on
elevations.
N
They
are
requesting
various
types
of
signs
in
three
locations:
the
individual
letters,
the
blade
and
the
window
signs,
whereas
we
are
sucked
downtown
side,
learn
ordinance
limits,
it's
two
types,
your
individual
letters
and
either
a
blade
sign
or
window
sign,
they're
requesting
main
signs.
They
exceed
letter,
height
area
and
width
and,
as
I
noted,
those
those
are
restricted
by
the
downtown
ordinance.
N
So
when
comparing
this
sign
program
with
the
block
a
sign
program,
they
are
requesting
signage
for
both
the
first
floor
and
the
second
floor.
Tenants
what
we
see
in
the
master
sign
plan
exhibits
for
the
second
floor.
Tents
is
essentially
one
sign
on
the
West
elevation,
where
the
pedestrian
entry
is
located
and
that's
basically
adjacent
to
the
public
restroom
area
as
well.
N
The
primary
identification
signage
also
is
slightly
more
than
what
was
approved
on
block
a
as
I
mentioned
for
Block
B.
It's
seventy-five
percent
of
the
overall
storefront
versus
the
seventy
two
percent
that
was
approved
on
block
a
they
also
are
requesting
letter
Heights
for
this
block
that
are
exceed
what
was
approved
in
block
a
so
what
you
have
in
block
a
4-letter
Heights
was
36
inches
Claire
Heights
for
the
West
dome
space.
N
In
this
program
they
have
signage
that
is
shown
as
high
as
70
inches,
and
that
would
be
the
HTM
to
the
secondary
signage,
late
signs
on
block'
or
11
square
feet
and
window
signage
is
3
square
feet
every
alternating
window.
Here
we
have
12
square
foot
late
signs
except
the
H&M
tenant
is
shown
at
night
39
square
feet
for
a
secondary
blade,
sign
and
same
similar
to
Block
B.
They
are
proposing
one
square
foot
of
sign
window
sign
identification
every
alternating
window,
which
is
less
than
that.
N
What
was
approved
on
block
a
at
3
square
feet
every
alternating
window
AAC
when
they
reviewed
this
in
May
of
this
year,
made
a
number
of
recommendations
and,
in
the
slide
here,
I
show
those
recommendations
1
through
8,
as
well
as
the
Afghans
response
to
each
of
those.
So
the
first
AEC
recommendation
was
regarding
the
East
elevation.
N
The
H&M
blade
sign
was
to
be
the
same
size,
as
the
other
blade
signs
the
Afghan
agreed
to
that,
but,
as
opposed
to
limited
limiting
the
sign
dimension,
the
second
recommendation
was
for
the
North
elevation
with
respect
to
the
Tommy
Bahama
sign,
and
that
was
to
be
modified
to
the
size
of
a
blade
sign,
the
actin,
as
opposed
to
that.
The
third
recommendation
was
that
there
should
be
more
duplicate
signs
for
tenants
on
same
frontage,
and
the
anthem
is
opposed
to
that
as
well
somewhere.
N
The
fourth
recommendation
was
on
the
West
elevation
signs,
18
and
19,
which
are
unidentified
tenant.
The
tenant
names
are
not
identified,
they
just
are
generic
placeholders
for
attendance
sign,
and
that
was
that
they
not
have
the
same
main
sign
on
that
elevation.
So
the
applicant
does
except
that,
except
that
recommendation
number
five
is.
A
N
That
was
signed
number
twenty-three
to
match
the
same
size
as
the
sign
on
the
east
elevation,
so
the
sign
on
the
West
elevation
they
recommended
that
be
the
same
size
as
the
East
elevation
sign
mounted
on
the
sign
mounting
details.
It's
a
match.
The
architecture.
The
Afghan
externally
accepts
that,
but
notice
that
they
are
opposed
to
all
Hardware
bracket
details
matching
around
the
building.
They
would
prefer
that
it
only
is
relative
relevant
to
the
architecture
of
the
relevant
facade.
N
Number
seven:
the
seventh
recommendation
was
that
the
square
footage
to
be
consistent
with
the
sizes
shown,
except
the
secondary
blade
sign
so
again,
similar
to
what
they
said
on
Block
B
was
that
there
are
generally
ok
with
the
signage
as
it
was
being
shown
for
each
of
the
tenants,
tenants
that
were
identified
and
then,
lastly,
the
blade
signs.
They
are
making
a
recommendation
consistent
with
walk
B,
in
that
it
should
be
no
larger
than
two
foot
by
three
feet
and
that
the
sign
bottom
should
be.
D
A
N
N
Made
recommendations
on
Tommy,
Bahama
and
duplicate
signs.
We
did
also
carry
that
forward.
The
last.
The
only
thing
that
we
basically
didn't
carry
forward
was
the
bottom
of
the
blade
signs,
and
that
would
be
something
that
staff
we
feel
comfortable
we'd
would
handle
be
able
to
handle
as
they
came
in
so
that
was
essentially
the
only
difference
between
could.
N
N
H
N
N
A
H
Okay,
this
is
obviously
a
different
animal
than
B.
It's
B
has
a
lot
of
consistency.
Architectural
e-
this
is
more
of
a
kind
of
a
Main
Street.
Look
where
each
storefront
has
a
different
character
and
they're
both
fine,
you
know,
strategies
I,
think
I.
Think
Tommy
Bahama's
is,
is
that
his
shoot
in
the
moon,
I
think
they're,
asking
for
too
much
and
I
even
think
having
one
illuminated
sign
on
the
facing
the
tree
and
then
two
blade
signs
would
be
enough.
H
That
would
be
my
preference
again
I'd
like
to
nuts
I'd
like
to
say
no
to
cabinet
signs,
I
and
I
think
is
kind
of
going
overboard
to
they
have
three
signs
on
the
on
the
palm
canyon,
facade,
plus
all
the
signs
and
the
windows.
If
they
can
have
I
mean
they
could
have
I,
don't
know
a
dozen
signs
are
more
there.
I,
don't
think
they
need
that
hanging
sign
and
the
blade
sign
so
I
I
would
be
against
that
hanging
sign.
They
could
have
a
blade
sign.
H
That's
fine
we're
doing
there
and
I'm
not
sure
about
that
other
sign
in
the
veil,
because
there's
not
even
an
ancient
ohm
facade
back
there.
It's
on
the
restaurant,
so.
A
H
H
I
B
D
D
C
H
Then
I'm
gonna
throw
this
out
there
because
I
think
it's
important
I,
don't
know
if
I'm
gonna
get
any
buy-in
for
the
rest
of
the
Commission
on
this,
but
I
think
that
for
the
purposes
of
this
specific
building
other
than
in
addition
to
no
cabinet
signs,
I'd
like
to
see
these
signs
be
of
the
halo
type.
I
think
that
the
big
facades
that
they're
on
will
allow
them
to
be
constructed
in
such
a
way
that
they
will
be
very
visible
and
to
use
the
face.
H
C
D
E
H
H
I
I
B
B
We
have
two
entrances,
one
on
the
east
elevation
and
one
on
the
south
elevation.
In
addition
to
that,
they
typically
have
two
blade
signs,
one.
In
this
case,
it's
been
reduced
to
two
one
blade
sign,
which
H&M
is
it's
more
than
happy
to
accommodate.
As
for
the
signage
type
for
the
H&M,
larger
logos,
H&M
does
not
have
a
at
least
further
corporate
brand,
a
halo
lid
type
of
sign,
so
that
would.
L
B
A
A
A
Get
let's
get
a
Bahamas
done
our
address.
Can
we
have
a
roll
call
vote
on
the
Tommy
Bob?
Just
the
amendment
which
changes
the
Tommy
Bahama
sign
to
three
missioner.
D
B
H
I
just
like
to
say
you
know
this
hmms
got
a
corporate
brand.
Palm
Springs
has
a
brand
and
it's
our
job
to
to
monitor
and
enhance
that
brand.
So
you
know,
we've
got
a
brand
too,
so
we
hear
corporates
structures
have
brands.
We
have
a
brand,
also
and
I
think
it's
our
job
to
make
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
promote
our
brand
is.
A
F
N
A
There
any
further
discussion
of
the
overall,
so
there's
no
amendment
on.
Therefore,
we
go
back
to
the
main
motion
and
is
there
discussion
of
the
main
motion.
I
would.
G
This
thing
yep
yeah,
a
halo
that
letter
is
a
fabricated
letter
that
has
a
solid
metal
face
and
the
interior
illumination.
Therefore,
the
light
balances
back
on
onto
the
wall
and
a
front
letter
which
is
essentially
what
has
been
approved
for
a
block
a
West
Elm.
Is
this
a
sign
that
lights
through
the
face
the
pizza
sign?
We
didn't
do
but
I
believe
that
that
lights
through
the
face,
also
it's
a
much
more
efficient
way
of
lighting
a
sign.
G
Well,
however,
one
when
you
see
a
sign
at
an
angle-
and
it
is
when
you
are
essentially
silhouetting
that
letter
you
leave,
you
lose
distinction
of
that
of
that
of
that
letter
form
to
just
say
that
all
science
to
be
reversed
channel
letter
for
this
building
would
be
a
severe
mistake.
It
just
really
would,
and
it
hasn't
been,
it
hasn't
been
contention
for
block
a
block
B.
Nor
was
it
any
any
contention
with
you.
D
H
D
N
E
I'll
just
add
my
two
cents,
since
we've
both
been
asked,
my
preference
is
for
the
halo
letters
I.
Think,
more
importantly,
what
I
would
like
to
see
is
that
there
be
consistency
among
the
sign
types
on
the
building
and
I
know.
I
will
differ
from
mr.
cross
on
this
this
viewpoint,
but
I
do
like
consistency
and
signage,
both
in
type
of
letters
in
color
and
style,
etc.
H
D
B
E
Mr.
chair,
you
requested
to
have
this
item
on
the
agenda
for
today.
One
of
the
things
that
we
didn't
talk
about
last
time
was
the
fact
that
we
do
have
interviews
coming
up
on
July.
The
7th
I
was
wondering
what
the
Planning
Commission
wished
to
defer
this
until
after
those
interviews
have
occurred
and
again,
I
leave
that
up
to
the
Planning
Commission
the.
E
H
H
C
H
E
E
D
Two-One-One
was
just
as
I've
gone
back
and
looked
at
City,
Council
minutes
and
at
Planning
Commission
minutes.
They
used
to
be
organized
by
topic.
Where
you
could
switch,
you
could
identify
which
time
which
topic
you
were
going
to
look
to
see
and
now
they're,
just
linear,
and
you
have
to
go
in
and
guess
where
that
topic
is.
When
you're
trying
to
find
a
discussion
and
I'm
wondering
do
you
know
if
they
have
changed
the
format
or
are
they
just
because
it's
much
less
user-friendly
than
it
used
to
me?
Yeah.
E
E
Event
has
been
put
on
by
the
Inland
Empire
chapter
of
the
American
Planning
Association
Inland
Empire
chapter
section
of
the
California
Chapter
of
the
American
Planning
Association.
So
it's
through
our
professional
organization
that
the
event
has
been
put
on
I
believe
it's
being
held
in
Riverside.
Is
that
crash.
I
E
Okay
and
on
July,
the
13th
I
believe
there's
a
$25
charge
for
that,
it's
being
directed
primarily
for
planning
commissioners,
it
might
be
of
interest
to
you
all.
If
there
are
some
of
you
who'd,
be
interested
in
attending
I
believe
that
the
department
will
be
able
to
pay
for
your
attendance
at
that
event.
So
please,
let
me
know,
and
we
could
get
you
signed
up
if
you
are
interested
in
doing
that.
B
C
Do
have
a
question
when
we
considered
the
well
situation.
The
building
that
was
the
former
Burger
King,
had
requested
to
build
a
wall
around
I,
assume
three
sides
of
their
property
to
help
resolve
the
homeless
issue
and
I
guess
we're
denied,
and
then
we
talked
about
it
and
a
what's
the
logic
in
terms
of
the
rules
that
you
can't
put
a
wall
up.
Unless
you
build
a
new
construction
or
major
reconstruction.
E
From
a
zoning
standpoint,
the
zoning
code
requires
a
limit
on
the
height
of
the
wall
and
where
you
place
the
wall
from
a
construction
standpoint,
that's
regulated
by
the
Building
and
Safety
Department
and
so
I.
Don't
know.
If
I
can
answer
that
specific
question,
they
would
be
permitted
to
put
walls
around
their
property
to
a
certain
height
limit
under
the
zoning
code.
In
terms
of
building
code
requirements,
they
would
have
to
be
footings,
wind
load,
construction
requirements,
etc.
I
don't
know
exactly
why
they
were
denied
and
then
I.
E
A
H
E
H
I
D
D
E
F
D
A
E
The
only
two
things
that
I
have,
if
you
are
charged
for
parking
on
the
way
out
of
the
parking
lot
today,
just
indicate
to
them
that
you
are
with
the
Planning
Commission
and
there
should
be
no
charge
clora
conduct
in
and
just
let
me
know
that.
I
don't
know
that
they
have
someone
stationed
out
there
right
now,
but
apparently
they
did
at
the
noon
hour
and
then,
secondly,
AAC
interviews,
the
status
of
that
is.
E
E
I
just
can't
remember
that
its
member
Sukhoi
Jensen
member
Frederick's
and
member
Pernell,
both
member
Frederick's
and
member
Pernell,
are
our
members
with
landscape
experience,
and
so
it's
quite
a
loss
to
have
both
of
them,
leaving
in
the
AAC
at
the
same
time,
in
terms
of
applications,
I've
received
two
applications,
thus
far,
one
is
from
John
McCoy.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
moment
there
John
McCoy,
who
does
have
a
valid
architectural
excuse
me
Landscape
Architecture,
license
and
then
the
second
one
is
from
Eric
Stewart.
E
It's
not
a
architect
or
landscape
architect,
but
is
related
or
was
related
to
one
son
of
the
East
or
Williams.
Those
are
the
only
two
applicants
I
currently
have.
We
do
have
a
remaining
application
from
a
previous
cycle.
Mister
Harland,
who
was
someone
that
we
interviewed
last
year
for
the
AAC
position.
E
One
of
the
positions
that
we
desperately
need
is
another
architect,
someone
who
is
a
California
registered
architect,
and
so
that's
the
status
of
the
applications
that
I
have.
Currently
the
existing
members
have
agreed
to
serve
through
the
month
of
July,
and
so
we
are
dark
in
August
I
guess
that
gives
us
until
September
to
to
get
additional
members,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
of
the
status
of
the
applications
that
we
have
in
place.
E
We
do
need
someone
with
architectural
experience,
I'd
like
to
an
additional
Landscape
Architect
available
to
us
on
AAC,
as
that
is
a
good
bulk
of
what
we
do
is
review
landscape
plans.
If
we
were
to
go
forward
with
interviews,
I'd
recommend
that
we
do
that
before
the
end
of
July,
since
we
are
dark
in
August
and
have
no
meetings
whatsoever,
I'm,
assuming
that
most
of
you
all
have
vacation
scheduled
for
that
month
as
well,
and
so
we
might
look
at
doing
it
towards
the
end
of
the
month.