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E
A
Hey
we're
at
public
comments.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
the
consent,
calendar
and
other
agenda
items
and
items
of
general
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission.
Please
note
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
and
items
not
listed
on
the
post
agenda.
Three
minutes
will
be
allowed
for
each
speaker,
members
of
the
public,
who
would
like
to
comment
on
one.
A
C
Good
afternoon
my
name
is
John
McCoy
I
live
at
165,
0,
Avenida,
Sevilla
and
I'm
here
today,
speaking
as
a
private
citizen
regarding
item
3a,
the
pinnacle
development
is
within
500
feet
of
my
house,
so
I
have
been
noticed
on
this
and
want
to
state
that
when
a
little
background
when
I
moved
to
the
neighborhood,
this
was
dedicated
open
space,
open
space
sold
it.
It
did
have
a
existing
plot
plan
on
it.
Those
Lots
were
approved,
and
people
in
the
neighborhood
were
upset
that
this
was
happening
accepted
that
it's
happening.
C
C
There's
no
steps
on
the
interior
there's.
No,
it
will
require
huge
amounts
of
grading
for
the
lot
it
also
on
the
backside
has
vast
expanses
of
glass,
where
the
neighbors
below
will
be
looking
up
and
it
does
not
fit
in
context
with
what
is
going
on
in
the
area.
The
landscaping
does
not
have
any
reference
to
what
is
existing
up
there.
The
existing
homes
have
desert
landscaping,
olders
used
to
retain
land
that
the
boundaries
between
the
land
and
the
retaining
walls
proposed.
C
Everything
about
it
just
does
not
get
I
know
there
are
arguments
within
the
HOA
as
to
how
this
is
all
coming
together.
There
are
there
been
battles
with
in
changing
the
HOA
language,
so
that
the
current
property
owners
could
do
things
that
were
disallowed
the
previous
homes
that
were
built
up
there.
C
C
The
just
expressed
my
concerns
that
the
some
of
the
things
that
brought
up
the
architectural
review
committee
that
the
paint
colors
should
be
dark
commands
the
hillsides
I
mean
we.
We
don't.
We
don't
say
that
we
can't
have
development
there.
We
just
want
to
make
sure,
since
we're
going
to
see
these
huge
expose
sheets
of
glass
and
stuff
and
retaining
walls
that
it
is
the
colors
on
the
hillsides.
It's
dark,
beige
and
dark
grey
tones
that
there
is
a
that.
C
I
think
they've
been
working
on
some
of
these,
but
it's
sort
of
the
wrong
house
for
the
site,
but
I
he's
been
working
with
us,
but
we
have
never
seen
like
the
final
plans
of
what
proposed
every
time
we
had
for
our
show
textual
reviews.
Some
of
the
stuff
would
change,
but
there
were
no
be
an
architect
there
to
ask
questions
and
we
don't
know
what
the
final
thing
is
for
us
to
comment
on
what
the
final
project
is.
Thank
you.
F
By
Brian
Foster
I'm,
the
applicant
for
the
subject,
property
of
Pinnacle
Point
and
we've
been
going
through
a
process
with
the
architectural
advisory
committee,
as
well
as
the
homeowners
association
for
a
number
of
months,
we've
taken
into
consideration
virtually
everybody's
concerns
and
we've
done
everything
everyone's
asked.
So
at
this
point,
we'd
like
to
move
forward
on
this
project,
you
may
be
aware:
I've
also
was
the
applicant
for
the
home
cantina
way
and
that
home
is
under
construction
at
this
point.
F
Moving
forward
on
that,
a
lot
of
these
questions
and
information
that
keep
coming
up
or
same
concerns
that
the
neighbors
had,
but
at
this
point,
were
we've
been
dedicated
to
meet
with
the
homeowners
meet
with
everybody
involved
in
this
project,
and
we
believe
at
this
point
we've
overcome
everything.
There's
been
a
lot
of
misinformation
given
and
at
this
point,
we're
ready
to
move
forward.
So
we
appreciate
your
input.
If
you
have
any
questions
I'll
be
here.
Let
me
know.
A
Is
there
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
speak
on
any
of
the
items?
The
public
hearing
is
closed.
The
first
item
on
our
consent.
We
we
have
the
consent
calendar
and
it's
the
approval
of
the
minutes
of
September
12
2018
item
1a
and
1b
is
Steven
winters
and
Don
Curtis
owners
requesting
approval
of
a
3,
395
square-foot
casita
on
six
five,
four,
oh
two
square
foot
Oh
on
a
square
foot
hillside
lot
located
at
1,000,
Coronado
Avenue
I
would
like
to
pull
the
minutes
under.
A
On
the
minutes-
and
it
is
oh-
we
don't
need
a
staff
report
in
the
minutes.
Do
we
okay,
good?
My
concern
is
on
page
four
and
five:
the
testimony
of
Paul
Heinrich,
son
and
Robert
hind,
bow
I
believe
those
should
be
expanded.
They
gave
expanded
testimony
saying
they
were
representing
several
of
their
neighborhood
organizations
and
they
gave
testimony
about
being
able
to
smell
odors
in
their
homes,
a
mile
away
and
I
believe
for
this
item.
That
testimony
should
be
preserved
in
the
record.
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A
Then
I
would
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
this
second,
and
this
doesn't
show
so
shall
we
do
it
by
voice?
Why
all.
H
A
H
So
this
is
a
request
to
construct
a
3378
square-foot
house
on
a
hillside
lot
as
a
major
architectural,
an
administrative
minor
modification
to
reduce
the
front
yard
setback
at
1721
pinnacle
point.
So
let
me
go
to
one
of
the
very
last
slides
which
will
show
the
development
and
I'll
describe
where
we
are.
H
So
a
lot
to
in
this
slide
shows
adelaar
road,
which
was
the
original
name
of
the
street.
When
the
when
the
project
was
first
planted
back
in
the
80s,
the
road
name
has
been
changed
to
Pinnacle
Point,
which
is
the
name
of
the
subdivision.
So
you'll
see
that
there
are
three
houses
that
are
currently
exist
at
the
end
of
the
cul-de-sac.
As
I
mentioned,
it
is
a
hillside
lot
within
the
Andreas
Hills
neighborhood
and
they
are
proposing
to
build
lot
two,
which
is
the
middle
of
the
slide
at
the
bottom.
H
H
So
the
project
has
been
before
the
architecture
of
ivory
committee.
Four
times
on
June
4th
July
16th
September
17th,
there
was
not
a
quorum,
so
it
was
continued
to
October
1st
and
throughout
the
process.
Each
time
the
AAC
has
made
recommendations.
The
applicant
has
made
changes
to
the
project.
Some
of
the
changes
include
revising
a
lansky
plan,
changing
the
roof,
color
changing
the
actual
colors
of
the
house.
When
the
house
first
was
presented,
it
was
a
white
and
gray
color
scheme.
It's
now
changed
to
a
beige
and
brown
color
scheme,
which
is
this
slide
here.
H
H
The
final
version
of
the
project
shows
the
house
set
back
18
feet
from
the
front
property
line
which
will
provide
off
street
parking
in
a
driveway.
Originally,
the
house
was
set
back
16
feet.
It
was
one
of
the
very
first
comments
that
was
made
by
the
AC
to
move
the
house
back
and
they
did
that,
but
this
aw
that
still
requires
a
setback
reduction
from
the
25-foot
front
yard
setback
which
the
Planning
Commission
can
grant
that
the
zoning
code
allows
the
Planning
Commission
to
grant
a
setback
reduction
of
18
feet.
H
The
garage
which
faces
the
street
a
front
entry,
which
is
a
glass,
the
height
of
the
house,
is
16
feet
with
a
maximum
height
of
18
up
to
the
top
of
the
parapet.
In
this
slide,
you'll
see
the
landscaping
is,
is
rather
formal
with
angular
angles
to
the
front
with
boulders
Ocotillo
there
are
some
Palo
Verde
trees
and
some
golden
barrel
cactus.
The
original
landscape
plan
had
palm
trees,
which
there
are
no
other
palm
trees
in
the
Pinnacle
Point
development
and
those
were
removed.
H
One
of
the
comments
by
the
AC
was
to
show
the
solar
panels
on
the
roof,
and
that's
what
these
slides
are
showing.
They
will
have
solar
panels,
which
is
a
requirement
of
the
city,
and
there
will
be
a
low
parapet
that
will
screen
it
as
you
are
within
the
development.
The
the
three
houses
that
are
to
the
top
of
the
hill
are
higher
than
this,
and
the
solar
panels
may
be
visible
from
those
houses
higher
up
in
the
hill.
H
Also,
in
this
slide,
you'll
see
that
the
hill
on
the
very
far
right
drops
down
to
the
channel
the
flood
channel
below.
There
was
discussions
about
what
the
fencing
would
be.
It's
not
shown
in
this
drawing
but
they're,
proposing
a
tubular
steel
fence
that
will
go
where
the
concrete
block
wall
ends
around
the
back
and
down
the
hill
a
little
bit
so
that
it
won't
be
visible
when
you're
on
the
pool
deck.
There's
also
been
discussion
about
grading
on
the
Lots
you'll
see
that
the
there
are
retaining
walls
get
to
one
of
the.
H
So
when
this
front
slide
the
retaining
wall
on
the
very
far
left,
who
does
retain
some
land
but
they're
going
to
be
grading
it
so
that
the
walls
no
higher
than
six
feet?
And
there
was
a
question
about?
Was
there
permission
from
the
HOA
to
allow
the
grading
off
of
these
Lots?
And
if
you
remember,
in
the
first
slide,
I
showed
at
the
development.
There
is
open
space
that
is
around
each
of
these
individual
Lots,
which
are
about
25
feet
between
lot
to
lot.
3
lot
for,
in
speaking
with
the
engineering
department.
H
H
H
Last
Thursday
there's
a
floor
plan
showing
a
large
great
room
and
as
described
there
is
a
large
expanse
of
glass
on
the
rear
of
the
house
and
a
less
amount
on
the
front
and
then
a
garage
off
of
Pinnacle,
Point
Road
and
then
three
bedrooms
with
associated
restroom
bar
bathrooms,
there's
a
floor,
I'm,
sorry,
roof
plan
showing
the
location
of
the
solar
panels
and
lighting.
So
let
me
go
back.
There
is
a
lighting
plan.
H
H
They're
proposing
four
lights
one
here
one
here.
This
is
the
back
of
the
house
and
then
two
lights
in
the
front
overhang,
and
this
has
been
reduced
from
the
original
submission
based
upon
comments
from
the
AC
and
the
residents,
and
this
is
a
picture
of
a
house
that
the
applicant
has
built
and
it
shows
the
type
of
light
recessed
lights
with
shields
that
will
focus
the
light.
Downward
I
have
one
more
picture
showing
that
and
if
the
Commission
so
chooses,
they
can
ask
the
applicant
for
more
description.
H
So,
once
again,
these
are
some
photographs
of
the
site.
The
lot
you
can
see
in
this
picture
is
fairly
flat.
However,
it
does
have
a
slope
that
slopes
down
from
the
houses
that
are
higher
up
on
the
the
hill
once
again,
we'd
have
to
verify
that
the
slopes
between
lot,
2
and
lot
3
in
the
open
space
is
not
more
than
30%,
and
this
is
a
photograph
of
the
rear.
H
H
There
are
minutes
from
those
meetings.
There
is
also
an
approval
letter
from
the
HOA
for
this
plan.
That's
before
you
today,
there's
a
statement
of
ownership,
material
board
and
other
cross-sections
and
grading
Topal
plans
that
are
included
in
your
packet,
so
the
project
was
noticed
two
adjacent
and
abutting
property
owners,
which
is
a
requirement
of
the
hillside
ordinance.
H
H
So
the
AAC
at
the
last
meeting
recommended
that
the
parapet
be
no
greater
than
18
feet
tall
at
the
roof
deck
be
a
maximum
height
of
16
that
the
front
elevation
eyebrow
be
changed
as
it
meets.
The
garage
and
I
can
show
you
that
in
this
slide,
so
in
this
slide,
you'll
see
the
gray
angle
angular
overhang
where
it
meets
the
garage.
H
B
Thank
you.
Thanks
for
the
report,
Glynn
I
was
you
know
we
just
received
this
additional
information
packet
and
well.
Let
me
ask
you
some
questions.
First,
how
many
times
is
this?
The
second
time
it's
been
before
Planning
Commission?
This
is
the
first
first
time
so
Planning
Commission
hasn't
seen
this
before.
You
have
not
seen
this
okay.
What
in
terms
of
that
open
space
between
the
Lots
and
the
grading
you,
the
stipulation
was
that
if
it
does
not
get
to
be
greater
than
30%
slope
in
the
event
that
it
does,
what
happens
they.
H
B
Could
we,
as
hypothetically,
could
we
condition
an
approval
on
the
thing
not
that
that
slope
not
being
greater
than
30%
and
if
it
is
that
it
would
come
back
to
Planning
Commission?
Yes,
you
could
do
that.
We
could
do
that.
Okay,
then.
Finally,
like
I
started
to
say
we
just
got
this
additional
information
packet
when
we
sat
down
here.
Can
you
review
committee
member
lockers
comments
and
what
the
response
was
I'd
be
most
interested
in
the
ones
that
he
wrote
in
red
on
the
site
plans
right.
H
A
H
H
H
B
H
H
A
B
I
B
I
B
A
page,
a
five
point,
one
street
front
to
rear
slope
section:
there
is
a
retaining
wall
at
the
back.
It's
sure,
so
four
doesn't
really
show
it
great
at
the
bottom
of
that
is
a
night
and
not
oh,
top
top
of
footing
is
598
anyway,
there
is
a
retaining
wall
there.
So
my
question
is
where's
the
planter
in
relation
to
that
retaining
wall.
Is
it
on
a
suit.
H
B
B
H
H
This
fence
follows
the
proper
line
is
shown.
The
height
will
undulate
with
the
grades
underlying
it.
Might
the
fence,
may
might
the
fence
want
to
undulate
in
plane
in
land
view
slightly
as
well
and
be
broken
up
with
Boulder
croppings,
so
neighbor's
rear
yard
two
houses
east
of
this
subject-
property
for
an
example
that
could
be
a
recommendation
of
the
Planning
Commission.
B
A
C
C
D
D
D
The
wall,
okay
and
I
think
you
know,
I
also
had
the
opportunity
to
visit
the
site
and
I
also
was
on
the
AAC
and
I
think
this
picture
depicts
one
of
the
comments
that
they
were
expressing,
which
was
there
was
a
lack
of
detail
and
a
lot
of
the
work
that
was
presented.
So
my
question
was
really
about
the
fence
and
if
it
was
presented,
it
appears
it's
not.
Thank
you.
G
H
G
G
H
So
the
it's
sort
of
a
shed
style
roof,
so
the
the
back
end
of
the
house
is
taller
that
has
the
clerestory.
So
in
this
picture
you
can
see
the
clerestory
windows
so
the
roof
slopes
towards
the
street
so
that
there
are
lights
in
the
ceiling
that
could
be
visible
from
ridge
more.
The
residents
are
saying.
G
A
B
G
H
G
H
G
H
G
G
A
Can
you
explain
to
me
which
landscape
they
work
and
the
there
was
a
concern
about
it?
It
basically,
what
it
looks
to
me,
like
the
rear
of
the
property
to
some
extent,
is
also
the
front
of
the
property
for
different
homeowners,
so
that
the
attention
that's
been
paid
to
the
rear
is
significant,
because
that's
what
people
are
going
to
see
that
are
on
a
lower
plane,
correct
right.
H
H
C
Have
to
interrupt
the
letter
from
Tom
Jack
weighing
in
dated
October
18th,
it
specifically
states.
The
committee
felt
that
the
front
yard
was
too
busy
with
too
many
different
elements
and
geometries
I.
Remember
that
very
distinctly
right,
that's
correct!
Wasn't
just
a
rear
die,
not
state
that
well
we're
a
lot
on
the
rear,
but
they
also
had
a
lot
of
issues
with
the
front.
A
G
A
I'm,
just
you
don't
have
I
still
have
it
if
I
can
hold
on
to
it
for
a
second,
it
I
think
without
that
it's
gonna
be
very
hard
to
make
a
decision
on
this.
So
what
I
would
like
us
to
do
is
and
I
hate
doing
this,
but
I'd
like
to
send
it
back.
Get
those
materials
in
front
of
us
and
I
know
that
this
has
gone
several
times.
A
I
A
That
we
give
the
applicant
input,
but
we
also
see
what
it
looks
like
from
the
diff,
the
different
angles
and
with
the
with
the
aim
of
resolving
the
issues
here,
so
that
we
don't
send
it
back
and
I.
Don't
know
if
commissioners
would
agree
with
me
on
that,
but
I
think
I
think
that's
where
this
should
go.
I.
G
G
Is
the
what's
it
it's
more
rich,
there's
that,
but
isn't
there
a
main
from
the
main
view,
also
from
Boger
yeah
you
may
want
to
have
both
of
those
simulations?
Not
the
one
we've
got
on
the
wall
is
sort
of
an
elevated
simulation
which
you'll
be
able
to
see
if
you
were
a
drone,
I
think,
but
think
that
the
ones
that
we
need
are
from
below
you're.
Looking
for
yes,.
I
A
D
It's
always
frustrating
with
me
when
we
have
something
go
back
to
the
AAC
so
many
times,
and
then
they
make
an
approval
and
the
applicant
decided
not
to
comply
with
the
approval.
So
it's
a
very
difficult
decision
to
even
decide
whether
to
continue
this
or
just
reject
it.
All
right,
I'm
inclined
at
this
point
to
reject
it.
D
With
that
in
mind,
I
think
what
I
had
heard
at
AAC
was
that
what
you
see
may
not
be
what
we
get
so
as
an
example,
I
am
NOT
a
structural
engineer
and
I'm,
not
an
architect,
but
the
HVAC
was
a
question
that
came
up
the
spans,
the
big
spans
and
how
they
would
support
it
came
up.
There
were
no
beams
so
I'm,
not
sure
that
what
we
see
is
what
we're
going
to
get
from
the
from
the
comments
that
I
heard
at
one
of
the
AAC
meetings.
A
I
I,
as
I've
indicated
I'm
requesting
that
view
from
from
coming
up
the
hill
to
the
house,
I
personally
think
that
the
side
yards
actually
have
been
sort
of
ignored
in
the
discussion.
The
two
concrete
block
walls
at
the
property
line,
east
and
west,
in
my
mind,
are
really
not
very
attractive.
I
think
they
need
to
be
have
articulation
or
brakes
to
them.
I
They're.
You
know
the
side
yard
is
it's
a
bit
oversized
to
actually
I
think
even
the
to
the
east
and
west
facades
of
a
house
could
benefit
from
from
some
breaks
to
them,
and
then
finally,
it
hasn't
really
been
discussed
yet,
but
I
think
the
25
foot
setback
needs
to
be
met.
It's
a
big
big
pad
a
big
sight,
but
I
think
with
some
creativity
in
the
floor
plan
of
the
house
that
that
that
that
setback
should
be
followed.
B
Yeah
I,
really
don't
like
that
front.
Landscaping
I
think
it's
totally
inappropriate
for
this
site.
It
has
to
be
something:
that's
completely.
Naturalized
I
have
a
naturalised
look
to
it
and
I'd
be
very
opposed
to
approving
that
landscaping.
In
the
front.
I
I
see
what
Commissioner
Hudson
saying
about
that,
especially
the
down
facing
block
wall,
the
west
facing
block.
Well,
the
one
on
the
uphill
side
will
be
mostly
buried
from
the
public.
B
B
That
is,
the
downhill
wall
to
the
south
to
the
rear.
Thank
you
to
the
rear
of
the
property
are
really
the
public
faces
of
the
building
of
the
development,
not
the
building
and
and
frankly,
I'm
a
little
less
concerned
about
the
light
spill.
I
think
once
you're
inside
the
house,
and
you
try
on
a
down
light.
I
I,
don't
know-
maybe
maybe
I'm
not
reacting
to
it
strongly
enough.
But
to
me,
that's
not
much
of
an
issue
for
me,
but
really
the
how
the
how
the
development
presents
itself
is
very.
Concerning.
G
Most
of
my
concerns
been
addressed.
I
will
support
your
motion
to
continue
and
you're
doing
back
to
the
AC
or
coming
back
to
us.
Okay,
yes,
for
as
part
of
that
continuance,
certainly
want
to
see
a
good
justification
from
the
applicant
for
each
of
those
recommendations
that
they
did
not
choose
to
address
from
the
AAC,
because
we
take
their
concerns
very
carefully
and
we're
gonna
have
to
be
pretty
well
convinced
that
those
are
not
appropriate
items
along
with
Sean's
comments.
G
Mr
Hudson
I'm,
not
as
concerned
as
you
may
be
about
the
25-foot
setback,
as
my
understanding
is
that
the
other
three
existing
homes
also
went
into
that
setback
up
there,
and
that
was
a
trade-off
for
having
the
additional
community
space
on
the
private
space
on
the
other
side.
If
that's,
if
I
understanding
is
correct
and
I'm
not
as
concerned
about
it
and.
H
G
G
G
And
we
also
would
need
to
verify
that
the
proposed
grading
along
that
site
that
we
see
in
the
picture
there
in
the
into
the
community
property
is,
is
approvable
by
the
Association.
Is
that
I
think
that's
contingent?
The
whole
wall
system
is
contingent
upon
that
grading
am
I,
correct,
that's
correct!
We
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
acceptable
to
the
person
who
has
the
critical
path
on
there.
The
critical
approval
that
and
with
that.
A
A
few
comments,
the
rear
of
the
property.
It's
really
important
in
terms
of
what
people
see
it
looks
very
exposed
and
very
open
and
I
can
understand
the
concerns
in
terms
of
the
window.
Tinting
I'm
not
is.
Has
it
been
established
that
the
windows
can
be
tinted
without
voiding,
the
warranty
for
the
windows,
I.
A
That
may
be
that
that's
an
that
can
sometimes
be
an
issue
with
tinting
and
I.
That's
something
I'd
probably
like
to
know
I
do
feel
that
the
the
flattening
of
the
roof
in
in
the
great
room
would
help
a
great
deal
for
the
neighbors
with
this
property,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
conditions
that
I
was
most
concerned
about.
If
the
windows
can
be
tinted
with
with
the
without
voiding
the
warranty
that
that
would
be
helpful,
I'd
like
to
see
landscaping
in
the
rear,
probably
the
people
who
are
nodding.
A
Their
heads
won't
like
to
know
that
I
love
the
front
landscaping
and
it's
probably
only
because
I
visited
a
kreisel
property
this
weekend
that
had
the
most
phenomenal
front
landscaping
and
it
it
began
to
inspire
me
to
redo
my
own
backyard,
that
that
isn't
a
justification
here,
but
but
I
I
find
some
merit
in
the
front
landscaping.
I
may
be
alone
in
that,
but
I'm
charmed
by
it
I'm.
G
A
F
A
F
A
F
D
F
Homeowners
that
appointed
themselves
to
the
HOA-
and
they
were
doing
things
that
were
completely
inappropriate
in
regards
to
us
moving
forward
on
this
project.
So
the
board
president
took
charge
of
the
HOA
and
resolved
the
issues.
So
I
boiled
down
to
misinformation,
things
that
we'd
submitted
on
the
plans
they
were
saying.
The
lighting
was
six
hundred
sixty
five
hundred
kelvins
and
the
plants.
Everything
we
submitted
showed
that
it
was
three
thousand
kelvins.
F
D
F
This
is
more
along
the
lines
of
trying
to
resolve
the
problems
that
everybody's
looking
at
as
far
as
the
height
of
a
retaining
wall.
If
we
grade
into
the
open
space
area,
it
would
minimize
the
height
of
a
retaining
wall,
which
is
beneficial.
So
if
you
imagine
a
home
being
built
on
lot,
one
lot
to
lot
three
lot.
Four
is
already
built.
Those
homes
have
retaining
walls.
F
It
would
be
a
nice
way
to
Terrace
it
down.
So
the
comments
by
the
architectural
Advisory
Committee
were
positive
and
we
took
those
into
consideration.
We
didn't
initially
think
it
would
be
okay
to
grade
into
that
area,
but
when
we
found
out
that
was
not
a
problem
with
the
city
and
not
a
problem
with
the
HOA
that
helped
mitigate
the
problems
of
having
let's
say
a
ten-foot
wall,
8
foot
wall.
F
D
D
F
A
F
The
question
was
more
about
solar
panels.
We're
trying
to
be
accommodating
to
the
neighbors
above.
That
said
that,
well,
they
don't
want
to
see
any
solar
panels.
Well,
we
haven't
proposed
any
solar
panels
to
be
even
included
with
this
home,
but
the
title:
24
requirements
are
likely
positioning
homes
to
have
solar
panels,
and
then
we
did
find
that
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
has
a
requirement
for
new
construction
to
all
solar
panels.
D
F
D
D
C
H
F
The
plan
speak
for
themselves,
we've
made
these
we've
made
these
Corrections
based
on
the
AAC
and
Glen
I
could
think
Len
was
out
of
town,
so
we
may
have
had
to
disconnect
on
some
of
the
things
that
have
been
finished
on
the
plan,
but
we
did
the
last
meeting
we
incorporated
virtually
all
of
the
comments,
except
for
the
tinted
windows,
which
is
a
no-go
I
mean
tinted.
Windows
are
inappropriate
for
a
view
home
and
the
landscaping
tom
is
the
landscape.
Architect
and
I've
talked
to
him
about
it.
We've
made
the
changes
with
the
palm
trees.
F
We've
made
the
changes
of
the
gravel
we've
made
additional
changes
related
to
the
grading
and
landscaping,
creating
a
planter
in
the
back,
and
we
don't
see
a
necessity
to
change
the
landscaping.
It's
fine,
there's
nothing
wrong
with
it
being
unique
and
having
something
or
interesting
or
more
organized
is
not
out
of
place
for
any
hillside,
property
or
any
house
for
that.
This
just
boils
down
to
a
matter
of
preference,
so.
F
First,
off
the
other
three
homes
that
are
there,
don't
have
fences
I'm
trying
to
work
with
the
city
and
the
building
department
ultimately
will
have
the
authority
on
this
like
most
of
the
developments
that
we're
doing
within
throughout
the
valley
that
are
hillside
or
Golf
Course
developments,
they
don't
have
fences.
So
it's
likely
this
fence
will
be
eliminated.
It's
not
necessary
to
have
it
there.
F
No
one's
gonna
climb
up
and
get
into
this
pool,
and
there
are
secondary
precautions
that
can
be
taken
with
alarms,
there's
floating
alarms
that
can
go
in
the
pool
to
alert
somebody
inside
the
house.
Each
city
throughout
the
valley
has
adopted
their
own
policy
on
fences,
so
we're
hopeful
that
will
be
a
possibility
and
the
fence
would
not
be
required
because
we
agree
that
the
fence
would
not
is
inappropriate
for
any
house
on
a
hillside.
If.
A
C
F
That's
correct,
I,
don't
agree
with
it.
It's
it's,
it's
I
think
it's
so
well
organized
design
and
there's
nothing
wrong
with
it.
It
meets
the
criteria
for
the
HOA,
the
plant
palette.
We've
done
everything
that's
necessary.
So
if
somebody
doesn't
like
the
shape
or
whatever
that's
just
a
personal
preference.
Well.
F
G
F
Not
sure
tinted
windows
would
accomplish
much
of
anything.
It
just
doesn't
seem
to
be
appropriate,
I
mean
if
you
were
living
within
that
house,
and
you
have
these
spectacular
views.
The
last
thing
anybody
would
want
would
be
tinted
windows
to
have
dark
glass,
I'm,
not
sure
if
title
24
will
allow
it
based
on
the
solar
game,
because
the
dark
color
will
absorb
more
heat
and
might
create
more
problems
with
title
24.
F
But
it's
something
that
we're
completely
opposed
to
and
also
note
that
the
natural
glass
does
have
somewhat
of
a
tent
and
it
is
called
solar
ban.
So
solar
ban
60,
for
example,
is
probably
what
we
would
apply
on
this
home.
So
that's
a
low
heat
glass,
and
that
is
something
that
title
24
and
the
state
of
California
would
require.
So
I
think
it's
inappropriate
to
try
and
come
up
with
some
sort
of
tinted
window
system,
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
A
A
This
is
before
the
Commission
in
terms
of
a
motion
to
extend
getting
some
additional
views
and
getting
some
additional
of
matrix
of
what
is
actually
outstanding.
An
answer
from
Building
and
Safety
regarding
the
fencing
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
could
get
some
answers
on.
The
title
is
that
building
and
safety
with
title
24
with
the
windows
at.
G
One
point
I
believe
that,
with
the
tinted
windows,
the
issue
was
with
the
neighbors
down
hill,
that
they
felt
that
that
would
block
their
view
into
the
living
room,
where
the
light
coming
out
of
the
living
room
into
that
no
no
screaming
down
the
hill,
and
that
should
be
addressed
to
somewhat
by
the
simulations.
But
we
want
to
make
sure
that
that
did
we
understand
their
comment
correctly.
Is
that
where
that
came
from?
Yes,.
B
G
A
F
A
D
C
A
C
A
G
E
E
Chair
and
members
of
the
Commission
in
the
interest
of
time,
I'm
not
going
to
do
a
thorough
presentation
for
you,
but
rather
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
talk
about
some
of
the
changes
that
you
had
recommended
from
the
last
meeting.
So
basically,
there
were
four
changes
that
you
had
requested
and
let
me
go
through
those
one
of
the
first
changes
was
to
revise
the
front
yard
setback,
to
allow
greater
flexibility
in
the
use
of
that
setback,
as
I
set
out
to
do
that.
E
The
front
yard
requirements
may
be
varied
by
not
more
than
five
feet
in
either
direction,
provided
that
the
average
front
yard
for
the
entire
block
is
not
less
than
required
in
the
zone
and
so
Commissioner
woods
I
believe
you
were
the
one
who
had
requested
this.
We've
got
language
in
their
existing
that
basically
does
exactly
what
you
had
requested.
E
E
Is
we
amend
that
and
say,
except
as
otherwise
permissible
under
this
code,
and
then
we
go
on
to
identify
that
Ally's
may
be
provided
in
the
r1e
residential
zone,
and
so
I
would
make
the
alley
specific
to
the
r1
a
zone
and
the
purpose
of
that
being
where
you
have
the
garage
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
That's
the
condition
where
the
alley
would
be
permissible,
and
so
that's
what
I
would
propose
there.
Secondly,
you
had
also
asked
for
an
incentive
relative
to
the
use
of
alleys
to
encourage
that.
E
So
we
don't
have
the
garages
on
the
front
of
the
property.
We
don't
have
a
street
with
all
of
the
garage
doors
that
we
put
those
to
the
rear,
and
so
what
I
would
propose
is
that
we
use
lot
coverage
as
an
incentive
to
allow
the
garages
in
the
rear,
and
in
addition
to
that,
then
also
waving
your
rear
yard
setback
requirements
for
the
garage
structure
itself.
The
rest
of
the
habitable
space
would
need
to
maintain
the
setback
requirements,
but
the
garage
could
encroach
to
the
rear.
E
You
know
actually
I
think
we
would
be
able
to
do
that
under
the
zero
lot
line.
Development,
where
the
garage
is
on
the
zero
lot
line.
So
as
part
of
a
subdivision
plan,
they
would
submit
the
map
to
us
showing
number
one.
The
alley
number
two,
the
location
of
where
the
garage
would
be
relative
to
the
property
line,
and
then
we
would
process
that
as
a
subdivision
map
and
a
zero
lot
line,
development,
so
I
think
we
could
just
based
on
the
language
that
we
have
proposed
to
date.
It.
B
Take
that
a
step
further
and
what
Commissioner
wood
was
saying
at
the
last
discussion
on
this
subject.
If,
if
the,
if
there
is
no
alley
and
the
applicant
design,
had
had
the
garage
at
the
rear
property
line
and
the
side
property
line,
and
it
had
the
the
driveway
running
the
length
of
the
property
front
to
back,
would
that
be
allowable?
B
D
A
E
B
E
I
D
D
Doing
that
would
allow
vehicle
turn
around
for
them
to
turn
around
and
come
up
back
out
straight
in
a
forward
direction.
Okay,
so
no
I!
Guess
what
I'm
saying
is
it's
positive
to
have
it
on
the
property
line
for
the
garage
of
its
at
the
rear,
because
a
vehicle
entering
the
garage
would
then
have
more
backup
distance
to
exit
the
property
in
a
forward
direction
versus
backing
out
the
driver
for
that
length.
Okay,.
A
E
E
So
again,
I'll
take
direction
from
the
Planning
Commission
into
which
direction
you'd
like
to
go
just
the
final
thing
that
I
had
also
revised
from
our
previous
discussion.
There
was
a
desire
to
have
an
incentive
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
and
so,
in
addition
to
allowing
a
5%
increase
for
where
the
garage
is
at
the
rear
of
the
property,
I
would
also
propose,
as
an
incentive
for
accessory
dwelling
units,
to
allow
an
additional
5%.
So
our
base
lot
coverage
is
45%.
E
A
A
D
B
A
A
C
A
E
E
A
E
G
G
This
is
dresses
quite
well,
the
ones
that
are
going
to
be
separate
lots,
separate
legal
lots,
but,
as
we
learned
this
morning-
or
we
saw
this
morning,
there's
another
way
of
addressing
the
small
lot
issue,
and
that
is
music
to
the
use
of
condominium,
lots
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
our
as
a
separate
effort,
our
mixture.
What
do
we
call
it?
G
Multifamily
density
zoning
to
look
at
what
happens
when
you
have
single-family
residential
within
the
multifamily
zones
and
to
make
sure
that
that
that
the
types
of
questions
that
we
were
asking
this
morning
like
what
are
the
street
setbacks?
What
are
the
accept
yard
setbacks
were
our
depths.
All
that
sort
of
thing
that
they
do
get
addressed
and
I
would
like
to
suggest
when
we,
when
it's
appropriate,
for
a
motion
that
when
we
break
them
into
this
to
the
council,
we
make
a
note
that
that
is
a
work
effort
still
to
be
done.
G
A
B
Justin
respond
that
the
only
thing
I
think
might
be
tipping
the
scale
towards
the
small
lot
subdivision
is
the
reduction
of
risk,
as
was
explained
to
us
this
morning,
I
think
for
a
builders
point
of
view.
The
risk
reduces
when
you
go
from
individ
and
alone
condominium
to
a
individual
lot.
I
think
the
you
even
reduce
the
risk
further
for.
B
D
Sure,
what's
let
I
commend
you
for
picking
up
the
comments
and
making
it
a
the
document
it
is
today.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
think
it's
it's
a
great
step
forward
from
the
pvd's
that
we've
seen
to
this
I
think
it's
gonna
create
a
much
more
walkable
community
when
somebody
decides
to
exercise
this
part
of
the
zoning
code,
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
to
it.
I
appreciate
the
discussion
with
my
fellow
commissioners
as
well
on
this.
D
To
get
to
this
point,
the
only
thing
that
I
would
ask
that
would
change
would
be
what
their
chairs
are
already
asked,
but
maybe
a
couple
other
diagrams
in
the
diagram
page
showing
the
garage
in
the
rear
and
the
driveway
along
the
side.
Just
so,
people
can
get
a
concept
of
the
different
variations
that
this
zoning
code
can
afford
them
and
again,
thank
you
to
staff.
E
A
E
A
I
I
think
this
is
a
great
step.
I
love
the
fact
that
we're
looking
at
small
Lots
but
we're
keeping
streets
and
we're
keeping
part
of
the
grid
and
keeping
it
open
and
the
addition
of
alleys
as
a
way
of
looking
at
it
in
garages
in
the
back
is,
is
fascinating
to
me,
and
it
would
love
to
see
that
to
see
somebody
try
and
do
that
and
I
think
it
solves
one
of
the
problems
we
had
with
PDS,
which
is
that
our
community
didn't
love
them.
A
E
A
G
G
We
would
send
it
on
to
Council.
I
would
like
to
just
add
a
note.
We
are
still
looking
at
the
small
Lots
within
mixed-use
developments,
not
saying
we're
approving
them
or
anything,
but
I
still
think
that's
where
we're
gonna
get
a
lot
of
applications
for
that,
and
we
still
need
to
discuss
that.
But
that's
just
a
note
to
the
council
that
that
still
needs
to
be
done.
E
E
A
A
C
A
Special
meeting
you
would
meet.
We
were
talking
about
a
special
meeting
to
meet
the
schedule
of
the
mural
on
the
mural
on
people.
For
the
first
builder,
we
had
a
very
successful
two
subcommittee
design
subcommittee
meetings
with
them
and
they
need
to
go
on
to
working
drawings.
We
think
we
are
pretty
much
we're
at
a
wrap,
but
we
need
to
take
official
action
on
and
they
need
to
move
forward.
So
we
were
looking
at
a
special
meeting
next
week.
November.
A
The
7th
so
one
extra
meeting,
but
it
would
come
from
that
and
then
we
have
a
busy
meeting
the
week
after
that.
So
if
Flynn
is
going
to
be,
is
able
to
push
any
of
the
items
from
the
next
meeting
into
the
special
meeting.
We
will
also
do
that,
especially
because
on
the
next
meeting,
there's
a
council
meeting
that
night
so.
I
E
E
E
A
E
The
City
Council
subcommittee
met
with
me
this
past
week
to
talk
about
the
ordinance
and
timing
of
bringing
it
forward.
They
would
like
to
bring
it
forward
before
the
end
of
the
year
and
our
moratorium
was
extended
for
four
months,
so
that
gives
us
some
time
to
bring
this
ordinance
forward
so
again,
I.
Don't
think
that
there's
going
to
be
any
future
subcommittee
meeting.
E
A
E
C
E
We
did
talk
about
that,
because
that
was
a
discussion
at
the
City
Council
meeting
regarding
the
moratorium
as
the
confusion
on
the
part
of
members
of
the
public
I
think,
once
we
have
the
ordinance
finalized
and
we're
ready
to
roll
it
out
to
the
public
that
we'll
have
an
education
campaign
that
goes
along
with
it,
including
presentations
to
the
Board
of
Realtors
and
other
noobs.
Who
may
be
it's
excellent.
Thank
you,
and
I
was
chastised
this
morning
at
the
desert
round
table
for
not
broadcasting
the
moratorium
so.
A
And
then
the
other
item
of
business
that
came
up
when
we
were
meeting
with
the
marijuana
people
was
frustration
on
their
part
that
they'd
gone
through
AAC
then
came
here
and
not
having
a
design
step,
especially
on
new
single-family
product.
That
would
help
inform
their
decisions,
and
we,
when
Flynn
and
I
were
talking
about
it.
We
were
talking
about
about
appointing
a
permanent
design
subcommittee
that
could
be
called
to
work
on
things
and
my
preference
on
that
would
be
to
have
two
architect.
A
A
We
haven't
we
we're
going
to
at
the
next
meeting.
We
were
going
to
talk
a
little
bit.
There
were
some
recommendations
regarding
the
AAC
that
came
out
of
the
planned
development
district
meetings
that
we
had
talked
about
implementing
at
some
point
in
bringing
to
council
Flynn
thought
that
that
would
be
an
an
item
of
discussion
at
our
next
meeting.
A
We
would
talk
through
process
in
terms
of
how
things
came
up
and
there's
some
some
choices.
Having
everything
go
through
a
an
initial
pre
pre
development
meeting,
to
which
we
invite
the
AAC
there's
a
sense
of
comments.
It
could
then
go
to
a
design
subcommittee
or
a
design,
a
combined
design
subcommittee,
but
we
were
looking
at
what
the
process
is
that
we
don't
have
people
go
through
several
meetings
with
the
AAC,
then
Planning
Commission
and
several
meetings
with
the
Planning
Commission
should
get
to
a
resolution.
This.
A
And
we
will
have
next
phases
of
other
other
approved
projects
where
people
are
coming
in
with
phasing.
So
we
thought
we
would
talk
a
little
bit
more
about
that
next
week,
but
in
to
the
extent
that
we
need
a
design
subcommittee
called
up
setting
up
a
permanent
one
here,
which
means
that
your
that
meetings
would
be
noticed.
I
think
so
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
have
a
next
day
meeting
we'd
have
to
do
24
hours,
1/4.
A
D
A
No
we've
we've
had
things
that
have
gone
through
AAC
and
we
weren't
satisfied
for
unn
Marilyn
with
what
came
back
to
us
and
especially
since
we
had
worked
with
AAC
on
the
design
guidelines
in
the
houses.
We
got
back
that
AAC
approved,
didn't
really
match
the
design
guidelines
that
we
had
set
up
and
there
will
be
instances
where
AAC
is
only
advice
to
the
Planning
Commission
they're,
not
they're,
not
a
deciding
body.
So
this
Commission
has
the
ability
to
step
in
and
look
at
design,
and
we
have
often
done
that.
A
C
A
E
A
A
E
I
think
we've
covered
everything
I
have
in
my
notes,
to
talk
about
the
AAC,
slash
subcommittee
process,
which
we've
done
and
will
do
on.
November
7th
I've
talked
about
scheduling
the
November
7th
meeting
and
then
potentially
the
joint
planning
commission
City
Council
meeting
on
November
28th.
So
that
covers
all
of
my
comments
to
you
today
and
again.
Thank
you
for
your
service
Oh,
quick.