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A
An
acceptance
of
the
agenda
I
wanted
to
make
a
suggestion
that
we
move
item
3a
after
4a
and
4b,
so
that
members
of
the
public
who
are
here
and
items
can
go
ahead
of
our
internal
discussion
is.
Is
there
any
dissent
to
that?
Can
I
have
a
roll
call
on
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda
or
just
a
voice,
emotion
and
I.
A
All
in
favor
aye
all
opposed.
This
is
a
time
for
public
comments.
This
time
has
been
set
aside
for
members
of
the
public
to
address
the
Planning
Commission
on
a
consent,
calendar
and
other
agenda
items
in
items
of
intra
interest
within
the
subject
matter:
jurisdiction
of
the
Commission.
Please
note
that
the
Planning
Commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
will
be
allotted
to
each
speaker
for
testimony
for
public
and
puppeteering
public
hearing.
A
A
F
A
F
On
our
first
final
map
and
getting
into
the
position
of
the
moving
forward,
the
city
on
a
builder
to
construct
some
homes
and
start
on
many
center,
a
number
of
improvements
and
we're
requesting
that
the
second
phase
of
the
project
from
master
to
or
final
map
number
two
be
delayed
until
possibly
next
year,
with
an
extension
so
that
we
can
continue
forward
with
the
concentration
on
this
and
didn't
react
a
year.
From
now.
A
Is
there
anyone
else
that
wishes
to
testify
during
public
comment
there
being
no
additional
testimony?
Public
comment
will
be
closed
item
for
a
which
is
Oh
to
architecture,
zero,
to
architecture
on
behalf
of
Frances,
the
Blanche
to
construct
a
single-family
residence
on
a
vacant
hillside
lot
located
at
nine
seven,
seven
West
via
Olivera
staff
report.
Please.
I
Chair
where,
mike
and
commissioners,
thank
you
what
you
have
before
you
is
a
new
single-family
residence
proposed
on
a
vacant
undeveloped,
hillside
lot.
The
proposed
house
is,
as
you
can
see,
will
be
located
on
the
on
the
screen
here
and
what's
surrounded
in
the
red
dashed
line.
It
is
surrounded
by
housing
on
the
east
and
west
sides
and
vacant
lots
to
the
north
and
south.
I
I
The
design
of
the
home
is
includes
both
flat
and
sloped
roofs,
as
you
can
see
here
in
the
elevations.
The
overall
height
of
the
house
is
fourteen
feet
generally
for
hillside
properties.
We
like
to
see
stepping
of
pads.
However,
in
this
case
the
applicant
is
proposing
one
pad
for
both
the
home
in
the
garage
for
the
entire
structure
itself.
I
So
what
they've
done
is
they've
essentially
created
a
midpoint
for
the
overall
grade
and
that
point
is
actually
lower
than
the
average
of
the
two
pads
to
the
east
and
west,
the
west
being
the
higher
elevation,
the
east
being
the
lower
elevation
for
this
site.
So
the
proposed
pad
elevation
and
finished
floor
will
be
lower
than
the
average
between
those
two
homes.
I
So
what
you
see
here
in
this
diagram
is
a
section
through
the
home
in
the
east-west
orientation
in
the
middle.
It
shows
the
house
on
the
low
side
on
the
left
side
of
the
screen,
which
is
the
east
side
of
the
property
and
then
the
house
to
the
west
of
it
on
the
higher
elevation.
So
it
does
indicate
that
the
proposed
house
integrates
with
the
hillside
well
in
terms
of
its
compatibility.
I
The
Afghan
also
provided
some
three-dimensional
renderings.
What
you
see
here
in
the
screen
at
different
vantage
points
around
the
site
and
the
proposed
materials
include
neutral,
grays
and
whites,
and
include
metal,
standing,
seam
roof
on
the
slope
portions
and
they
proposed
a
off
white
stucco
for
some
of
the
walls
as
well
as
some
other
materials.
As
you
see
on
the
screen,.
I
Generally,
as
far
as
the
the
landscape
goes
they're,
proposing,
essentially
kind
of
to
renal
eyes
much
of
the
terrain
that
is
disturbed
as
a
result
of
the
house
and
the
grading
that
occurs
for
the
project
they
are
proposing
and
some
additional
trees
which
you
see
here
on
this
plant
palette.
They
are
opposing
palaver
days,
six
of
them
36
inch
box
size
and
they
are
proposing
some
low
shrubs
on
the
ground.
I
I
So
when
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
there
was
equipment
shown
the
the
equipment
shown
here
on
the
right
side
of
the
property,
the
top
of
the
screen
or
actually
just
next
to
the
driveway
that
was
moved
and
is
actually
per
the
direction
of
the
AAC.
So
that's
been
moved
so
that
there
is
adequate
clearance
for
pass-through
and
maintenance
personnel
that
needs
to
get
to
the
pool,
so
staff
has
included
condition
number
one
from
the
AC,
which
is
that
site
fencing
is
to
review,
be
reviewed
by
staff
at
a
later
time.
I
I
This
just
would
also
like
to
indicate
before
we
dive
into
that
that
the
Afghan
was
notified
of
the
city's
solar
policy
with
respect
to
requiring
2
watts
per
square
foot.
So
they
are,
they
were
able
to
address
that
when
the
item
comes
up
or
there
are
questions
specific
to
that,
but
they
have
prepared
a
preliminary
design
for
that
system
as
I
understand.
And
lastly,
we
have
the
material
board
here
to
pass
around
for
the
Commission's
benefit.
A
G
Yeah
under
this
excuse
me
under
the
staff
report
on
the
table
of
can
of
compliance
with
the
standard
conditions.
I
believe
it
says
that
there's
a
under
the
front
yard
setback.
It
says
that
there's
a
20-foot
'ok
proposed
setback,
whereas
25
is
required
and
I
believe
it
actually
may
be
a
lot
more
than
20
feet,
but
right
either.
The
numbers
wrong
or
the
compliance
is
wrong.
G
There
one
of
them
is
located
there
to
the
I,
guess
that's
the
east
of
the
driveway,
where
it
kind
of
bends
and
and
right
at
the
page
of
the
property
line,
and
that
one
was
relocated
away
from
the
house,
and
maybe
the
architect
can
answer
that,
or
maybe
you
can
is.
Is
there
any
penalty
that
it's
taken
when
you
relocate
a
unit
like
that
away
from
the
houses
or
more
I
mean
them
the
cooling
just
travel
further?
Is
that
a
good
idea
or
not
I'll.
I
G
Then
the
there's
another-
it
isn't
quite
labeled
what
it
is,
but
just
to
the
north
of
the
garage
to
the
west
side
is
that
another
air-conditioning
unit
or
correct
again
that
one's
pretty
far
away
from
the
the
house
itself
and
I,
don't
know
where
the
units
are
gonna
be
in
the
house,
but
that
may
be
the
applicant
can
address
that
question
in
terms
of
its
efficiency
of
having
those
condensers
that
far
away.
That's
all
my
questions
at
the
moment
manager
if.
A
B
I
have
a
couple
questions
you,
you
know
notice.
In
the
project
description,
the
site
topography
includes
a
number
of
large
boulders
and
slopes
downward
from
west
to
east,
and
then
in
looking
at
the
guidelines
you
say,
topography
will
be
adjusted
to
accommodate
the
flat
pad
of
the
home
and
the
outer
full
deck
area.
Can
you
tell
me
exactly
what
is
being
done
to
topography
to
make
this
site
suitable
for
development
and
I'm
particularly
concerned
about
whether
there'll
be
any
boulder,
crushing
or
removal
of
the
existing
boulders
or
just
a
realignment
of
the
boulders.
I
So
currently,
there
is
a
somewhat
significant
boulder
berm
along
the
edge
of
the
site
adjacent
to
the
street,
so
that
essentially
would
be
retained.
The
modifications
would
really
be
more
sleek,
onsen
traited
near
the
center
of
the
site,
where
the
the
proposed
home
garage
and
outdoor
living
space
would
be
at
the
rear.
I
The
Afghan
would
be
at
making
some
adjustments
to
the
drainage
of
the
site,
which
you
can
see
in
the
preliminary
grading
sheet,
which
is
the
last
sheet
of
your
attachments,
but
essentially
what
they're
doing
is
at
the
bottom
left
or
the
southwest
corner
of
the
site.
There
is
a
I
guess,
an
arroyo
that
essentially
traverses
just
around
that
in
that
corner
and
essentially
they're
going
to
be
going
to
maintain
water
flows
as
they
are
in
terms
of
what
it
is
today.
I
I
B
Then
I
would
assume
also
to
create
the
pad
for
that
for
the
home
itself.
There's
going
to
have
to
be
some
infill
done,
because
there's
no
level
plane
currently
on
the
site,
so
will
they
be
filling
in
sort
of
in
the
middle
of
the
site
where
the
built
were
the
house
itself
will
sit,
the
pad
will
sit
so.
I
B
Last
question:
is
this
house
is
on
septic
I
noticed
that
from
one
of
the
planning
conditions,
but
I
noticed
in
the
planning
conditions
that,
when,
if
and
when
water
sewer
sewer
infrastructure
is
brought
to
the
neighborhood,
the
applicant
will
have
to
hook
up
within
a
certain
period
of
time.
How
is
that
enforced?
And
how
do
we
know
that
the
conditions
are
ripe
for
that
sort
of
reattachment
and
running
a
private
line.
B
J
The
sewer
line
properties
are
excused
from
connecting
to
a
sewer
line.
If
it
is,
the
existing
line
is
over
500
feet
away,
but
the
property
is
conditioned
to
connect
to
it.
Should
a
sewer
line
come
within
500
feet
of
future
extension,
so
that
is
recorded
with
the
property
and
there's
a
covenant
recorded
against
the
property
for
a
future
connection
and.
B
J
B
J
B
A
Any
going
down
any
more
questions
for
staff,
Commissioner,
woods.
K
Just
a
couple
of
questions:
can
you
tell
me
what
is
the
city's
code
regarding
I
noticed
that
the
the
pool
equipment
and
the
AC
equipment
is
within
the
public
right
away
and
in
some
cases
right
on
the
property
line?
So
what
is
the
city
code
regarding
placing
equipment
and
mechanical
equipment
within
the
setback
area?.
I
So
the
section
that
regulates
permissible
intrusions
or
projections
into
yards
is
under
ninety
three
point:
zero
one
of
the
zoning
code.
Specific
specifically
subsection
F,
discusses
the
types
of
permanent
projections.
You
can
have
mechanical
equipment
within
the
yard
spaces.
The
section
that
discusses
an
equipment
actually
I'm.
Sorry
is
a
subsection
G,
but
it
says
that
you
can
have
mechanical
equipment
that
is
adequately
enclosed.
To
prevent
noise
impacts
to
adjacent
properties
is
permissible
and
in
any
yard,
except
the
front
yard,
where
you
can
only
extend
five
feet
into
that
twenty-five
foot
setback.
I
A
J
J
A
K
K
K
I
It
does
look
pretty
close,
I
think
the
last
sheet
that
has
it's
the
preliminary
grading
plan,
maybe
that
that
is
the
the
rough
line
and
then
it
may
not
actually
be
the
wall
line,
but
it
it's
definitely
closer
than
what
is
typically
permitted.
If,
if
it
is
accurate,
10
feet
is
the
typical
side,
yard
setback
and.
K
I
It's
well
it
is
you
see
it
somewhat
here
in
this.
This
graphic
I,
don't
know
that
it's
a
hundred
percent,
accurate
I
think
it's
actually
going
to
be
well.
It
could
be
accurate.
I.
Just
don't
know
that
you
know
it's
a
straight
two
dimensional
view.
So
when
you're
standing
on
the
road,
you
may
not
see
all
of
this,
you
may
see
just
a
portion
of
the
garage
instead
of
as
much
as
you're
saying
here.
I
K
H
G
G
H
H
H
You
know
huge
Volkswagen
size
rocks
and
our
intention
is
not
to
take
any
of
those
rocks
and
take
them
anywhere
else,
but
to
kind
of
constructively
put
them
around
the
site
so
that
we
can
minimize
site
walls.
We
can
minimize
sight
lines
into
the
front
yard
into
the
rear
yard,
and
so
the
intention
is
to
really
be
naturalized,
but
not
take
any
boulders
off
site.
H
Nor
is
it
to
create
an
unnatural
jetty
at
the
front
and
just
pile
these
things
up,
so
that
you
know
it
just
doesn't
look
like
it
belongs
there,
so
moving
the
rocks
and
keeping
them
on
site
we've
got
you
know.
As
you
can
see,
we've
got
a
lot
of
room,
a
lot
of
open
space
to
place
those
and
that's
the
intention
is
to
place
the
most
beautiful
rocks
at
the
top
and
any
little
small
cobble
I.
Think
David
mentioned
there's
almost
a
hundred
yards
of
export.
J
H
And
then
it's
it's
a
safety
thing,
but
the
building
and
Safety
Department
does
not
recognize
that,
as
as
the
barrier
between
the
public
and
the
pool
or
somebody
wandering
on-site,
so
we
are
going
to
work
and-
and
we
found
it
best
to
work
with
the
fence
idea
once
we
know
where
the
boulders
are,
where
we
have
these
moments,
where
it's
it's,
it's
somewhat
penetrable
from
the
exterior
to
the
interior.
We
want
to
get
it
so
that
it
David.
Could
you
put
the
site
plan
up?
H
Please
we
want
to
get
it
not
up
by
the
pool
but
down
down
in
the
slope
near
the
edge
somewhere.
So
while
we
will
be
putting
in
more
fence,
it'll
be
less
visible
because
it
down
in
that
little
Arroyo
at
the
bottom.
On
that
southern
edge.
There
is,
you
know,
a
good
deal
of
stuff,
that's
already
growing
down
there,
so
it
it'll
be
concealed
from
our
homeowners
and
as
well.
It
will
be
out
of
the
sight
line
of
the
adjacent
properties.
H
A
G
G
I
K
And
I
asked
the
applicant
to
come
up
one
more
time,
thanks,
Lancer.
Obviously,
a
a
large
concern
with
the
homes
that
have
already
been
built
is
that
the
air
conditioning
units
on
that
jacent
properties
are
right.
Next
to
people's
windows.
They
buzz
they.
You
know
some
of
them
are
very
loud.
What
is
right
adjacent
to
where
you
originally
proposed
the
air
conditioner
on
the
house
just
to
the
east?
Now
there
any
sleeping.
H
H
So
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
bedroom
there
or
if
it's
a
public
space
or
if
it's
a
garage
or
if
it's
a
patio
I
don't
know
what
I
can't
say
is
the
air-conditioning
units
that
we
are
now
installing
because
of
the
super
high
energy
efficiency
and
the
variable
the
variable
speed
motors.
They
are
so
darn
quiet,
it's
not
like
the
old
days
and
you
know
certainly
20
years
from
now.
It
might
not
be
the
case
with
that
unit
as
it
ages,
but
boy
there.
A
D
A
C
G
B
G
A
Have
a
couple
of
suggestions
for
the
people
that
have
made
the
motions?
One
is
that
we
include,
and
we
have
that
in
the
future.
We
have
standard
language
regarding
solar
and
that
that
the
solar
language
be
included
as
one
of
the
planning
commission
conditions.
I,
don't
know
if
you've
had
time
to
write
a
condition,
money.
L
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission,
it's
my
pleasure
to
be
here
today.
My
name
is
Jim
priest
I'm,
with
the
law
firm
of
bests
best
and
Krieger,
and
starting
today,
I'll
be
serving
as
your
new
Planning
Commission
attorney,
assisting
mr.
Kotkin
with
other
city
legal
issues
as
well,
and
also
assisting
the
planning
department,
as
well
with
these
things.
L
L
That
seemed
to
be
the
best
place
to
plug
it
in
here,
and
we
would
suggest
the
following
language,
which
I
would
just
read
into
the
record
here.
The
project
developer
shall
install
a
solar,
/
photovoltaic
photovoltaic
electrical
system
to
serve
the
project
in
accordance
with
the
city's
solar
policy
adopted
by
the
City
Council
On
January
3rd
2018.
C
L
A
general
rule
if
the
Municipal
Code
already
sets
a
legal
limitation
on
how
one
may
develop.
Typically,
you
don't
have
to
add
that
as
a
condition
of
approval
as
well,
but
as
a
matter
of
practice,
many
cities
do
just
you
know,
belt-and-suspenders
it
to
indicate
that,
in
the
condition
of
approval,
you
will
follow
the
municipal
code
on
this
issue.
So
it's
really
a
question
of
just
how
each
city
does
that.
It's
not
I,
wouldn't
say
it's
strictly
required
if
the
code
already
commands
it,
but
it's
common
to
have
those.
A
C
C
L
A
A
A
So
that
that
edition
is
accepted
by
both
the
maker
in
the
secondary,
the
other
thing
I
would
like
to
include,
even
though
it's
in
the
proposal
is
that
what
they're
going
to
do
is
basically
realign
the
rocks
that
are
on-site
on
some
of
it
refurbish
them
on-site.
I'm,
not
sure,
if
there's
good
language
for
that,
but
to
read
just
redistribute,
rocks
major
larger
rocks
that
come
up
during
the
grading
on-site
in
a
more
natural
form.
If
that
language,
I.
B
G
B
A
K
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
understand
the
applicant
has
reached
out
to
some
neighbors
and
introduced
themselves,
and
the
neighbors
were
very
positive
in
that
respect.
Secondly,
I
think
Lance
has
a
couple.
Other
homes
in
the
neighborhood
they've
been
received
very,
very
successfully
I
think
this
house
will
be
see
very
successfully
and
an
additive
to
the
neighborhood
and
it's
looked
forward,
but
I
do
think
we
do
need
a
couple
of
conditions.
K
One
Kathy
you
had
just
mentioned
about
the
berm
I
think
one
of
the
issues
has
come
up
is
that
people
use
rock
berms
and
lieu
of
fences
and
call
it
landscaping,
and
thus
does
it
don't
need
to
meet
the
setback
and
whatnot
so
I
think.
Basically,
our
condition
that
you
are
proposing
needs
to
go
further,
that
we
know
Rock
burn
between
the
home
and
the
street
if
they
want
a
fence,
that's
fine,
but
putting
rock
berms
or
I
think
the
applicant
called
it.
Jetties
is
something
that
has
been
has
some
consternation
in
the
neighborhood.
K
The
other
thing,
I,
say
I.
Think
I
would
like
to
see
a
condition
that
basically
says
we
will
physically
screen
through
a
structure
the
trash
enclosures.
Since
we
really
don't
know
what
that
means
and
I
think
the
there
was
some
indication
that
that
could
be
done
relatively
easily
and
very
cost-effectively.
The
last
thing
that
I
might
ask,
as
a
condition,
is
that
you
know
when
pool
equipments
right
on
the
property
line.
You
have
neighboring
homes
so
close
to
the
property
line.
B
Know
what's
one
one
person's
problem
is
another
person's
advantage.
I
think
you
have
to
balance
the
adjacent
owner
to
the
noise
created
on-site
as
well
and
I
think
what
Lance
has
done
here
is
he's
placed
it
sort
of
in
between
so
so
it
will
impact
both
similarly
I
think.
If
he
gets
too
close
to
the
house
in
the
house,
then
the
owner
himself
is
going
to
be
concerned
about
it.
So
I
would
leave
a
word
where
it
is
with
respect
to
the
berming
of
with
the
rocks.
Obviously
we
wouldn't
want
that
to
happen.
B
E
Motion
is
to
approve
the
project
with
the
following
added
conditions.
Number
one
is
relative
to
the
city,
solar
policy,
which
has
already
been
read
into
the
record.
The
second
is
to
reduce
troops,
redistribute
the
larger
rocks,
those
being
greater
than
two
feet
on
the
site
in
a
naturalized
form,
rather
than
hauling
them
off
site.
The
third
suggestion
was
by
mr.
woods
relative
to
not
having
a
rock
berm
at
the
front
of
the
property
as
I
understand
it
is
that
correct
mr.
E
Woods
and
then
the
fourth
condition
is
to
require
a
screen
for
the
trash
facilities,
so
a
trash
enclosure
screen
would
be
removed
and
then
the
fifth
condition
that
was
proposed
to
be
added
was
relative
to
moving
the
pool
equipment.
So
those
were
the
conditions
there
was
discussion
by
the
Planning
Commission
as
to
whether
those
last
three
conditions
would
be
included
as
part
of
the
motion.
I.
K
Yes,
oh
so
what
happens
is
that
some
people
will
go
out
and
they'll
create
a
rock
berm
that
basically
is
a
wall
or
a
fence
and
within
the
setback,
and
it
does
not
have
to
when
you
do
that.
The
city
looks
at
that
as
being
landscaping,
but
the
consternation
comes
when
somebody
wants
to
put
a
fence
up
versus
a
rock
berm
and
they're
not
allowed
to
do
it.
But
yet
you
can.
But
you
know
you
can
pile
rocks
to
be
basically
a
jetty
or
a
wall
between
the
street
and
the
house
and
really
I.
K
Don't
think
the
intent
of
the
code
is
to
do
that
at
all.
That's
why
we
have
all
of
our
fencing
requirements
so,
but
some
people
use
avoid
defense
and
build
a
rock
berm
is
what
they
end
up
doing
so
my
my
proposed
condition
was
2x
and
upon
a
madam
Sherman's
just
to
basically
say
there
would
be
no
rock
burn
between
the
house
and
the
street.
G
D
I,
don't
feel
comfortable,
second-guessing
the
architect,
as
relates
to
a
berm
in
front
of
the
house.
I,
don't
know
enough
about
how
it
would
look,
I
think
it's
up
to
the
architect
in
terms
of
his
aesthetic
sense
and
knowing
him
I
think
that
it
would
be
appropriate
if
that's
what
he
wants
and
he
thinks
the
client
and
it
would
also
agree
so
I
I,
just
I,
don't
like
making
such
specific
decisions
without
knowing
what
it's
going
to
look
like
and
I'm.
Trusting
him
in
this
regard.
So
I
don't
feel
comfortable
voting
for
that.
Madam.
H
So
the
the
intent
is
to
have
a
gradual
slope
up
and
a
gradual
slope
back
down
and
then
in
between
that
just
insert
the
in
Celia
the
creosote
and
other
things
so
that
at
the
end
of
the
day
it
just
feels
like
it
was
always
there.
So
that's
the
intent
and
I
think
we
have
enough
material
or
we're
going
to
have
enough
material
to
do
that.
H
The
site
has
had
Phil
dumped
on
it
over
the
years,
and
our
geotechnical
report
shows
that
there's
a
lot
of
blacktop
in
that
Phil
and
blacktop
well,
10
because
of
the
oils
and
things
and
it'll
tend
to
shrink
over
time.
So
we're
gonna
have
to
pull
a
great
deal
of
that
out.
So
there's
a
lot
of
junk
in
there
as
well.
I,
don't
want
anybody
to
think
that
this
is
just
a
little
pristine
site.
It
somebody
took
a
roadway
dumped
it
on
that
back
half
of
that
site
and
we're
gonna
have
to
sift
through
that.
H
H
So
Commissioner
Murray
I
really
appreciate
what
you're
saying,
which
is
you
know,
let
the
design
team
kind
of
run
with
what
what
they
feel
with
their
experience
and-
and
you
know
some
of
its
going
to
come
down
to
pure
mechanics.
Can
that
tractor
move
that
thing
or
is
the
best
we're
gonna
do
just
push
it
a
little
bit
and
we
encountered
this
I
encountered
those
on
my
own
home.
H
So
there's
a
lot
of
practical
stuff,
but
there's
an
art
to
this
as
well,
and
so
you
know
with
with
a
little
bit
of
latitude
and
and
if
you
guys
can
trust
us,
we
will
we'll
make
this
thing,
look
as
natural
as
it
can
be,
and
then
the
great
thing
about
the
desert
is,
with
a
couple
years
the
plant
material
starts
taken
over
and
what
you
thought
was
a
big
rock
pile
all
the
sudden
becomes.
What
feels
very
natural.
Madam.
E
D
A
A
Yes,
okay,
are
there
other
comments?
I
just
had
one
to
the
commissioners
who
did
not
want
to
take
a
position
different
than
the
AAC.
They
are
advisory
to
us.
We
are
not
obligated
to
take
their
advice.
It's
often
very
useful,
but
there
have
been
many
times
in
the
Commission's
deliberations
where,
including
the
last
meeting
we
had
where
one
of
the
items
that
was
suggested
was
not
adopted.
D
A
A
Have
just
one
comment:
I
probably
would
have
I'm
going
to
accept
the
motion,
but
I
would
have
been
more
comfortable,
relocating
pool
equipment
and
that's
just
an
experience.
I
have
in
my
own
neighborhood,
where
maybe
the
Lots
are
a
bit
smaller,
but
the
pool
equipment
right
on
an
a
birds
whine
can
sometimes
be
difficult
and
it
being
five
feet
or
three
feet
further
in
softens
the
noise
that
comes
off
of
pool
equipment,
so
I'm
not
going
to
belabor
it,
but
I'm
going
to
say
that.
K
A
Ok,
moving
right
along
4b
freehold,
Capital
Management
LLC,
requesting
a
one-year
extension
of
time
for
Phase
two
of
the
track
map.
Three
one.
Eight
four
eight
previously
approved
subdivision
for
the
development
of
1150
residential
units
and
an
amenity
Center
located
at
801,
Sunrise,
Parkway,
otherwise
known
as
rural
on
staff
report.
Please
it's.
M
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
members
of
the
Planning
Commission,
so
the
item
before
you
now
is
a
request
for
an
extension
of
time
for
a
map
that
was
approved
by
City
Council
in
2004.
So
one
thing
I
do
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
is
that
when
this
was
approved,
it
was
actually
faced
so
that
it
phase
1
and
then
the
phase
2.
If
you
recall
about
the
same
time
last
year,
we
did
bring
this
extension
before
you
and
you
recommended
approval
to
the
City.
M
Council
I
also
want
to
bring
to
your
attention
that
phase
1
of
this
map,
as
you
can
see
on
the
presentation
board,
was
recorded
way
back
in
February
of
2006
and
part
of
the
reason
why
phase
2
has
taken
so
long
was
because
of
the
economic
downturn
that
the
city
and,
in
fact,
the
whole
nation
experienced
upon
till
the
time
the
new
ownership
acquired.
This
property
I
also
want
to
bring
to
attention
all
the
issues
that
has
been
enumerated
by
staff
on
the
first
page.
M
To
let
you
know
that
the
applicant
has
moved
forward
very
vigorously
in
submitting
all
the
required
items
and
materials
and
technical
studies
and
for
the
final
map
and
all
of
those
are
currently
under
review
and
in
Prior,
in
progress
at
his
city
and
also
on
page
2
of
the
staff
report.
I
did
a
numerator
from
the
year
2004
when
this
project
was
originally
approved.
All
the
actions,
all
the
relevant
actions
have
been
taken
relative
to
just
development.
M
Up
until
now
so,
and
in
evaluating
this
request,
we
went
back
again
and
referenced
those
five
criteria,
that's
been
established
by
the
Planning,
Commission
and
I'm.
Happy
to
let
you
know
that
the
request
is
in
conformance
with
all
these
criteria
and
based
upon
these
staff
will
be
recommending
that
the
Planning
Commission
make
a
recommendation
of
approval
to
grant
the
one-year
extension
of
time
to
the
applicant,
so
just
a
new
additional
material
that
I
gather
that
I
want
to
share
with
you
or
some
photographs
taken
I
decide.
This
is
how
decide
looks
like
today.
M
If
you
recall
about
a
year
and
half
ago
when
this
project
was
brought
before
you
to
amendment,
the
the
conditions
surrounding
the
perimeter
of
this
project
was
significantly
different,
so,
but
this
is
how
it
looks
like
today.
At
that
time
we
didn't
mention
to
you
that
some
of
the
off-site
improvement
having
were
under
construction,
most
of
them,
have
not
been
completed.
So
this
is
the
new
sign
that
the
City
Council
approved
I,
think
by
December
of
last
year
on
the
assigned
district
application.
So
this
is
part
of
the
monument
signed.
M
M
D
M
D
M
So
the
the
housing
products
they
have
not
started
working
on
those
but
I
will
be.
We
have
a
meeting
set
tomorrow
with
one
of
the
develop
one
of
the
builders
on
phase
one,
so
that
should
be
on
very
soon,
but
also
the
planning
area
fire,
which
is
for
the
multifamily
development.
The
application
for
that
house
has
been
submitted,
so
those
would
be
coming
before
you
in
due
course.
So
there
have
been
significant
progress
made
on
phase
one
have.
D
M
D
M
M
So,
according
to
the
opinion
of
the
then
Syria
attorney,
because
of
the
significant
amount
of
improvement
that
have
been
made
on
the
side,
it
was
deemed
that
that
that
PD
is
vested
so
the
plan
development
is
there
in
this
case,
I
think
I
would
leave
that
to
the
city
attorney,
because
this
is
a
map
and
a
portion
of
this
map
is
been
recorded.
So
I
will
probably
divide
that
into
Syria
Todd.
L
Sir,
thank
you,
madam
chair
members
of
the
Planning
Commission.
Under
the
subdivision
map
act
phase
one
has
already
had
its
final
map
approved
and
recorded.
So
from
a
subdivision
point
of
view.
That's
done.
It's
recorded
final
finished
there.
There
may
be
other
development
that
goes
on
there,
but
for
purposes
of
the
map.
That's
done
so
all
that's
concerned
now
is
phase
2
because
that's
not
done
done
legally,
yet
we're
still
in
a
tentative
map
getting
having
extensions
requested
for
that.
L
If
the
extensions
not
granted
and
the
tentative
map
should
expire,
you
and
the
developer
ends
up
in
a
difficult
position
legally,
because
if
the
tentative
map
expires,
the
subdivision
map
Act
says
that
map's
done.
You
can't
record
a
final
map,
often
expire
tentative
map.
They'd
have
to
apply
for
a
new
tentative
map
for
phase
2,
so
you
can
see
it
would.
It
would
cause
some
challenges
there
for
the
developer,
if
the
is
tentative
map
were
to
expire,
especially
under
these
circumstances
where
the
project
is
is
well
underway.
L
So
that's
why
that's?
Why
that's
being
requested
today?
It
is
a
discretionary
extension.
That
being
said
so
I
mean
the
Planning.
Commission
is
not
compelled
to
recommend
approval
or
the
council
to
give
approval
for
an
extension,
but
under
the
circumstances
staff
is
in
favor
of
you
know
this
recommendation
Thanks.
D
C
M
M
There
are
some
portion,
theater,
you
say,
Charlie,
even
though
it
is
within
the
whole
phase
shoe.
This
is
the
border
of
Phase
two.
That
goes
all
the
way
from
here
and
here,
but
it
should
look
at
the
de
formally
Gulf
areas,
those
who
are
part
of
this
one
and
those
have
been
recorded
so,
but
this
planning
area
for
the
future
multifamily
development
and
all
the
single-family
residential
lots
are
all
in
phase
2.
Okay,.
C
So
it's
not
that
small
I've
got
enough
of
other
questions
and
I
apologize
to
some
of
my
Planning
Commission,
some
of
the
commissioners
that
have
more
of
a
planning
background
than
I
do.
But
what
what
are
the
process?
What's
the
process
from
going
from
a
tentative
tract
map
to
a
final
track
map
and
what's
kept
them
from
getting
to
a
final
tract
map?
So.
M
The
tentative
is
the
initial
layout
of
a
subdivision
that
comes
before
you,
so
you
look
at
the
descender,
the
development
centers
of
that
a
tentative
map
era
for
a
subdivision
that
subdivides
a
an
undeveloped
land
to
a
number
of
units
are
a
number
of
Lots.
So
that
is
a
tentative
stage
that
goes
before
the
City
Council
for
a
real
subdivision
action
that
is
approving
that
undeveloped
land.
M
At
that
time,
it
comes
back
to
you
for
final,
when
all
the
conditions
imposed
a
degenerative
stage
is
incorporated
into
that
final
map
and
with
all
the
studies
required
and
all
the
legal
issues
that
may
be
relative
to
that
map.
It's
not
incorporated
into
the
map
that
comes
back
to
to
stop
and
then
to
City
Council
for
a
final
action.
The
reason
you
have
these
knives
because
it's
the
applicant
is
asking
for
an
extension.
That's
why
it's
coming
back
to
you,
if
not
you
only
the
Planning
Commission
only
sees
it
during
the
tentative
stage.
C
M
So
for
this
whole
project
that
last
you
seen
on
the
board
was
approved
way
back
in
2004
and,
as
I
mentioned
earlier
and
also
indicated
in
staff
report
phase,
one
of
the
entire
map
was
recorded
in
2006.
So
but
since
that
time,
phase
two
has
not
been
recorded.
However,
there
have
been
extensions
over
the
years.
The
current
ownership
only
took
control
of
this
property
in
couple
years
ago.
So.
M
C
M
C
A
L
Commissioner
Hirshman
I
might
be
able
to
clarify
a
little
bit
as
indicating
the
staff
report,
we're
kind
of
in
some
odd
timing.
Here
the
developer
has
submitted
a
great
deal,
I
think
all
the
information
that
staff
needs
to
move
on,
but
this
map
is
scheduled
to
expire
in
May,
so
some
more
times
got
to
be
teased
out
of
this
to
permit
staff
to
finish
review
and
bring
this
ultimately
back
before
the
Commission
and
the
council
for
final
final
sign-off,
and
so
the
developer
is
asking
for
this
extra
time.
C
G
J
G
G
A
D
N
N
N
There
have
been
gates
installed
on
both
the
Indian,
Canyon
and
sunrise
entrances,
which
I
find
to
be
very
good
execution
on
the
vision
that
you
have
approved
if
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
go
out
and
take
a
look
at
them
great
there's
still,
some
minor
work
left
to
be
done,
unfortunately,
and
I
suppose
not
unexpectedly,
we've
had
a
difficult
time
getting
through
some
of
the
utility
providers
and
getting
their
concurrence
on
how
improvements
we
needed
made.
Obviously,
this
project
being
sort
of
dormant
for
ten
years
standards
changed
things.
N
You
know
things
need
to
be
upgraded
and
improved.
Things
degrade
over
time,
so
we
have
spent
a
tremendous
amount
of
time
and
effort
doing
things
that
wouldn't
be
obvious
to
you
know
somebody
that
would
just
was
just
driving
by
from
the
outside.
But
if
you
were
to
go
on
site
now,
you
could
see
huge
trenches,
dug
we've
had
to
rip
out
all
of
the
vaults
in
our
first
phase.
N
To
the
tune
of
you
know,
all
of
us
all
of
the
utility
vaults,
they
must
have
dug
a
hole,
the
size
of
this
room
off
of
sunrise
to
get
one
of
them
out
of
there
so
and
that
those
were
not
anticipated
fixes
when
we
bought
the
project.
So
suffice
it
to
say
we
have
spent,
in
addition
to
a
considerable
amount
of
money,
buying
the
project,
millions
and
millions
of
dollars
to
date
in
fixing
it,
and
we
are
proceeding
as
quickly
as
possible
from
a
sales
standpoint.
N
We
do
have
a
builder
under
contract
for
the
first
forty
four
units
in
phase
1a,
which
is
kind
of
the
southern
portion
of
phase
one.
We
are
actively
marketing
additional
units
there
with
respect
to
the
amenities
center
that
you
have
seen,
or
most
of
you
have
seen
and
approved.
We
have
fully
processed
those
plans
through
the
city,
but
for
maybe
a
sign
off
from
the
fire
department.
We
have
essentially
a
an
approved
set
of
biddable
plans.
We
put
together
a
bid
package
for
that
facility.
N
We
anticipate
submitting
that
to
the
general
contracting
community
here
within
the
next
month,
with
the
anticipated
start
date
in
July
or
August
to
view
which
would
coincide
with
the
start
date
of
the
models.
For
our
first
builder
and
as
Edward
mentioned,
you
will
likely
see
that
architecture
before
you
here
in
the
we're
very
excited
about
the
prospect,
but
we
are
up
against
it.
N
From
a
timing
perspective,
we
have
continued
to
diligently
process
the
plans
for
Phase
two,
as
you
can
tell,
we
made
this
request
in
January,
so
that
we
would
give
a
runway
here
to
either
complete
that
process
or
get
before
this
body
and
ask
for
the
extension
we
sit
here
before
you
now,
with
a
couple
months
left
to
go
and
realizing
that
we
have
more
than
a
couple
months
worth
of
work
to
be
done
in
order
to
actually
finalize
things
on
the
final
Maps
side.
So
we
don't
want
to
lose
the
entitlement.
N
The
attorney
was
absolutely
correct.
It
would
greatly
complicate
this
project,
one
that
we
are
very
invested
in
and
we
believe
the
community
is
as
well
we've
continued
to
receive.
You
know
great
support
from
all
of
our
neighbors,
and
so
we
would
appreciate
your
consideration,
helping
us
extend
so
that
we
don't
have
to
thank.
A
A
A
Often
over
the
last
two
years
we
have
had
a
discussion
about
this
extension
in
the
the
implications
of
it.
I
think
the
last
time
were
the
time
before
that
we
extended
this
I,
don't
see
any
reason
not
to
grant
this
extension
and
I'd
like
the
project
to
go
forward.
I
do
have
one
question
for
staff,
which
is
simply
the
design
guidelines
that
we
approve
previously
would
apply
to
anything
got
that
got
built
in
phase
2,
wouldn't
they
that.
G
G
G
K
Just
I
don't
know
if
this
is
for
the
staff
or
the
applicant,
but
would
there
be
just
a
single
HOA
or
will
there
be
more
than
one
HOA
and.
N
There
there
will
be
a
HOA
for
the
entire
community,
the
only
sub
HOA,
if
you
will
will
be
for
the
multifamily
areas,
I'm
still
working
on
the
structure
of
those.
But
yes,
there
would
be
a
supplemental
HOA
payment
by
those
homeowners,
because
there's
just
more
to
be
taken
care
of
and
more
that
it's
taken
care
of
on
their
behalf
and.
K
N
C
E
It's
basically
consistent
with
those
as
well
the
things
that
we've
added
in
the
zoning
code
include
consistency
with
the
general
plan,
which
it
still
is,
as
the
applicant
made
progress
in
terms
of
advancing
the
project
and
our
report
to
you
indicates
that
they
have,
and
so
yes,
it's
generally
consistent
with
the
new
regulations
that
we've
adopted
as
well.
But
as
a
general
rule,
maps
are
subject
to
the
extension
of
time
regulations
in
Chapter,
9
of
the
Municipal
Code.
A
E
Chair
and
members
of
the
Commission,
as
you'll
recall
at
our
last
Planning
Commission
meeting
I,
provided
a
draft
to
you
for
updates
to
the
Planning
Commission
rules
of
procedure
or
our
bylaws.
At
that
meeting,
we
discussed
that
one
of
the
issues
we
were
tackling
with
this
change
was
relative
to
our
August
meeting
and
so
I
believe
that
we
have
addressed
that
issue.
E
The
first
is
typically
where
we
use
a
subcommittee
when
we
have
a
project
in
process
and
there's
questions
about
the
design
aspects
of
the
project,
and
so
that's
under
point
a
which
is
we're
doing
a
compliance
review
for
adopted
criteria.
That's
kind
of
a
more
focused
way
to
say
that
what
we're
looking
at
is,
how
do
we
make
it
conform
to
our
design
standards,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
purposes
of
having
our
subcommittees
is
to
look
at
that
and
then
one
of
the
things
that
was
suggested
by
chair
Warmack
as
we
were
discussing.
E
These
is
in
addition
to
that
function
or
to
suggest
conditions
of
approval.
One
of
the
ways
that
we've
used
that
subcommittee
and
actually
marilyn,
is
a
good
example
of
that,
where
we
had
a
subcommittee
forum
to
look
the
design
standards,
and
so
the
subcommittee
met
to
review
those
design
standards
to
review
them,
in
conformance
with
our
architectural
requirements,
but
also
at
that
point
in
time
talked
about
proposed
conditions
of
approval.
That
would
be
added
to
the
project
that
related
presented
to
the
entire
Planning
Commission
for
consideration,
and
so
that's
under
a
the
second
one.
E
And
so
again,
I've
just
tried
to
map
out
how
we
use
sub
committees
the
way
that
we
use
them.
How
we
do
notice
of
those
also
consistent
with
City
Council
policy.
In
terms
of
transparency,
we
would
also
notice
the
agendas
of
subcommittees
so
that
the
public
would
be
advised
of
those
and
be
able
to
attend
those.
Should
they
choose
to
do
so?
There's
also
some
other
minor
suggestions
that
are
received
after
I
circulated
the
proposed
rules
of
procedure
to
you
on
Friday
of
last
week.
E
Those
are
shown
in
green
and
those
are
minor
changes
to
the
text
with
that.
That
concludes
my
presentation
to
you.
I
will
just
also
mention
that
Commissioner
calor,
dine
and
Commissioner
woods
also
suggested
some
other
minor
changes
and
what
I
might
do
since
I
received
those
late
yesterday,
if
you
all
wouldn't
mind
bringing
those
up
in
our
discussion
this
afternoon,
in
terms
of
the
points
that
you
raised
in
the
email
to
me,.
A
B
Polly
and
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
do
with
respect
to
the
purpose
clause
for
the
subcommittee
creation.
There,
oh
I'm,
looking
at
page
10
of
12
and
I'm
reminded
of
other
kinds
of
cases
where,
where
we're
creating
subcommittees
that,
don't
necessarily
fit
these
criteria.
For
example,
I'm
reminded
of
the
subcommittee
that
mr.
Hudson
and
I
may
be
her
spine
said
on
which
had
to
do
with
looking
at
the
architecture
of
the
redesign
of
the
cinema
complex
on
TOC
wits,
and
we
were
very
concerned.
B
There
was
nothing
particular
in
terms
of
divine
standards
that
they
might
have
violated
or
not
lived
up
to,
but
we
didn't
feel
the
architecture
was
was
proper
for
the
site
and
we
had
all
sorts
of
issues.
So
I
don't
think.
We've
covered
that
kind
of
a
subcommittee
and
I
would
offer
some
language
that
might
help
us.
Okay,
I
was.
B
E
Where
you
are
reviewing
architecture,
because
you
feel
the
architecture
is
inappropriate
or
inappropriately
scaled,
or
things
like
that,
it
goes
back
to
our
criteria
that
we've
established
in
architectural
review.
And
so
the
very
concerns
that
you
raised
in
that
subcommittee
were
relative
to
our
criteria
in
the
code.
And
so
you.
E
B
Was
just
going
to
add
a
catch-all
which
says,
because
we
don't
fact
situations
are
changing
all
the
time
we
don't
know
what
we're
gonna
be
faced
with
in
the
future.
I
was
going
to
see
us
we
put
then
or
to
review
any
aspect
of
a
pending
project
discussed
but
left
unresolved
by
the
Planning
Commission.
G
B
L
Madam
chair
members
of
the
Commission
I
will
point
out
that
the
language,
if
you
look
at
paragraph
y,
mean
the
language
is
permissive,
you
know
you
may
form
subcommittees
on
an
as-needed
basis.
It
does
say
they
make.
Committees
may
be
formed
to
serve
the
following
purposes.
I
mean
we
could
say
in
there.
You
know,
for
example,
the
you
know.
Committees
may
be
formed
to
serve
the
following
purposes
or
something,
and
maybe
just
keep
a
little
bit
more
open-ended.
L
So
if
you
do
have
that
sort
of
you
know
wild
card
case
that
doesn't
quite
neatly
fit
into
one
of
these
categories,
although
I
think
planning
departments
done
a
good
job
of
putting
together
some
very
broad
categories
that
should
cover
most
of
it
but
I
think
you'd
have
the
authority
under
these
to
form
a
subcommittee
for
some
that
doesn't
necessarily
neatly
fit
into
this.
Just
a
year
authority
of
the
Commission.
G
L
G
G
E
G
E
A
When
one
of
the
areas
that
I
think
we
didn't
cover
and
I'm
not
sure
their
subcommittees
is
representative
groups,
for
example,
we
have
had
planning
commissioners
sit
on
sit
with
console
on
subcommittees
as
representatives
of
the
Planning
Commission,
or
sit
with
other
boards
and
commissions
in
a
capacity
where
they
would
be
making
decisions,
and
that
would
be
the
Parks
Commission
at
the
direction
of
City
Council
is
and
in
in
both
of
those
instances.
The
commissioners
were,
you
know,
a
sub
committee
that
seemed
to
be
able
to
take
action.
E
A
E
E
G
Of
12
I
think
it
starts
with
the
paragraph
that
says
after
the
chair
after
the
chair
closes,
the
public
hearing
goes
would
be
no
further
testimony
from
the
public.
This
is
some
new
wording
we
have
in
there.
K
G
G
Do
we
want
to
expand
that
to
say
that
obviously
should
be
the
appellant
to
be
consistent,
but
also
there
been
cases
where
we
wanted
to
ask
a
member
of
the
public
that
might
have
some
meaningful
information.
We
want
to
include
the
member
of
the
public
to
respond
to
questions
of
the
Commission.
Is
that
yes,.
G
L
Yes
and
again,
if,
if
you're
having
the
engineer,
call
called
up
and
saying,
is
it
six
inches
or
8
inches?
Oh
okay
got
it
guy
I,
don't
think
have
to
reopen
the
public
hearing
for
that.
But
if
it
starts
becoming
a
long
discussion
getting
a
lot
more
detail,
my
advice
would
be
at
that
point
to
formally
reopen
so
that
information
is
all
technically.
In
the
hearing
record,
we.
A
Don't
we
don't
allow
questions
of
the
applicant
during
the
public
hearing
typically,
and
so
we
do.
We
typically
do
what
we
did
today,
which
is
questions
of
the
applicant
may
come
as
the
Commission
is
deliberating
and
I
think
that's
been
part
of
our
procedure
since
I've
been
here.
So
do
you
think
we
have
a
problem
with
what
we've
been
doing
well,
you've
seen
it
today
and
to
insist
well.
L
I
mean
we
didn't
have
any
public
hearings.
Today
we
had
some
new
agenda
or
new
business.
We
didn't
have
a
public
hearings.
Technically,
you
know
again,
I
can
talk
with
the
Planning
Department
and
we
can.
You
know,
advise
a
commission
I'm
confessing
that
you
know
I'm
still
getting
used
to
Palm
Springs
and
getting
up
to
speed
on
all
of
your
issues
here.
C
C
L
E
And
madam
chair,
just
to
add
to
that.
One
of
the
concerns
was
that
when
we
imposed
conditions
of
approval
on
an
applicant
that
aren't
in
the
staff
report
or
the
backup
materials
that
we'd
like
to
have
the
applicant
agree
to
those
conditions,
and
those
would
be
conditions
that
we
impose
here
at
the
Planning
Commission.
E
K
I
have
a
couple
questions.
I
know
we're
not
here
to
rewrite
this,
but
I.
Just
I
was
confused
about
a
couple
things
that
I
mentioned
in
the
last
meeting
item
number
10,
which
is
on
page
4
of
12.
The
first
sentence
seems
to
contradict
the
second
sentence
unless
I'm
so
I'll
give
you
a
minute
to
read
it
unless
I
am
interpreting
it
for
those
two
sentences
incorrectly
to
mr.
K
E
K
So
if
we're
cleaning
up
I
just
might
suggest
that
we
clean
that
out.
Okay,
maybe
there
was
an
intention
for
something
else
there,
but
I
think
it
goes
back
to
our
chair.
The
other
part
of
this
question
goes
back
to
what
the
chair
was
talking
about.
You
know
we
bring
an
applicant
up
to
speak,
so
I
want
to
use
today's
example.
K
L
Thank
you.
It
can
be
a
very
fine
line
between
information
brought
forth
in
the
context
of
a
public
hearing,
as
opposed
to
statements
made
in
a
public
meeting.
It
may
not
technically
be
a
hearing.
You
know
when
it's
a
public
hearing,
we
typically
advise
you
know,
get
all
of
the
substantive
information
out
between
opening
and
closing
of
the
hearing,
because,
if
there's
ever
a
legal
challenge,
typically,
what
a
court
will
do
is
look
at
what
was
in
the
hearing
record
what
was
between
opening
and
closing
of
the
public
hearing?
L
That's
what
the
court
will
look
at,
so
we
typically
advise
yeah
get
all
that
information
out
in
the
public
hearing.
That
being
said,
if
these
you
know
Planning
Commission,
here's
just
a
general
comment
from
a
member
of
the
public
on
some
issue.
It
may
not
be
in
the
context
of
a
public
hearing,
but
it
could
still
be
you
know,
considered
by
the
Planning
Commission,
so
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
It
is
it
it's
kind
of
a
fine
line
there.
I
did
I
understand
the
question.
Correct
I.
K
Just
like
and
I
want
to
use
the
example
today,
a
single
family
home
comes
forward.
It's
not
a
public
hearing.
The
applicant
has
an
opportunity
to
to
ask
ask
questions
of
the
applicant.
Yes,
but
the
public
during
the
discussion
of
that
item
seems
not
to
have
an
opportunity
only
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting.
So
can
we
call
on
a
member
of
the
public
if
they
have
a
concern
to
express
their
concern?
It
could
be
even
for
the
project.
L
Yes,
I
believe
the
Commission
would
have
that
prerogative
to
do
so.
Like
any
public
meeting
item
I
mean
if
somebody
on
the
Commission
says
you
know
I
believe
there's
a
member
in
the
public
who
has
some
relevant
information
if
the
Commission
is
okay.
With
hearing
that
person,
that's
fine,
so
there's
nothing
inappropriate
about.
You
know
soliciting
comments
from
the
public
about
the
items
today,
and
that
is
all
information
that
the
Commission
could
consider
today.
My.
B
Concern
is,
we've
also
got
to
keep
order,
and
we
very
often
have
very
contentious
issues
before
us,
and
a
lot
of
people
feel
very
strongly
about
those
issues.
Even
the
course
of
a
hearing
after
public
comment
has
been
given.
If
we
allow
members
of
the
public
to
reinsert
themselves
in
the
dialogue,
questions
of
the
applicant
are
questions
to
us,
we're
going
to
get
mired
in
a
back-and-forth
that
will
never
end
and
although
I
appreciate
mr.
B
A
A
A
Was
the
new
house
low
enough
that
they
could
look
out
their
windows
and
we
wanted
to
ask
about
the
height
and
there
was
a
house
behind
it
that
had
issues
about
solar
panels
and
we
had
questions
about
that.
So
I
believe
members
of
our
Commission
asked
if
those
people
could
explain
what
they
had
said
in
public
testimony
and
they
were
allowed
to
do
that.
But
that
was
at
the
request
of
someone
in
the
commune.
B
Disagreement
on
that
I
think
you
know
sue
me
I
agree
with
you.
If,
if
a
commissioner
feels
that
someone
out
there
has
something
to
bring
to
bear
on
an
issue
that
was
spoken
about
earlier,
then
at
the
Commission's
direction,
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
allow
a
member
of
the
public
to
add
something.
I
was
thinking
of
members
of
the
public
who
reacted
to
something
that
was
being
said
by
a
presenter
and
said.
Well,
that's
not
true
or
I,
feel
it's
affecting
me
differently.
We
can't
get
back
in
that
tit-for-tat
kind
of
and.
L
Can
be
challenging
with
contentious
public
hearings,
and
you
know
a
common
problem
you
run
into
as
well
and
so
I
some
of
commissioner
Donald's
concerns
are,
you
know,
maintaining
order
at
a
public
hearing,
because
what
frequently
happens
is
somebody
will
speak
about
something
take
their
three
minutes.
Next
person
does
it
and
all
sudden
somebody
wants
a
second
bite
at
the
Apple?
Wait.
Wait
I
want
to
reset
note.
L
You
had
your
three
minutes
up,
but
I
want
to
talk
about
this,
that
that
can
make
things
a
little
difficult,
and
so
obviously
there
needs
to
be
some
point
where
the
hearings
closed.
We're
not
taking
any
more
public
testimony
on
that
and
this
policy
is
just
intended
to
crack
the
door
a
little
open.
If
you
have
any
last
questions
of
the
applicant
about
conditions
of
approval,
it's
a
common
thing,
I'm
sure
you've
seen
it
is
hey
developer.
Are
you
okay?
With
these
conditions
of
approach?
L
It's
pretty
simple
question,
pretty
quick
answer,
usually
and
and
we're
done
so
that
that's
all
this
policy
really
does
here.
It
does
not
call
for
reopening
the
public
hearing.
Obviously,
if,
if
a
whole
bunch
of
new
information
is
out
there
and
the
Commission
wants
to
hear
at
the
Commission's
prerogative-
is
to
reopen
the
public
hearing
and
then
everybody
can
speak
but
again
that
that's
under
the
Commission
is
a
direction.
I.
A
E
A
A
E
K
Just
to
go
back
to
my
original
question
that
started
the
discussion
on
number
10,
the
second
paragraph
I,
just
I,
think
what
I
was
hoping
to
do
is
that
we
had
an
opportunity
if
something
came
up
that
wasn't
a
public
hearing
to
be
able
to
hear
from
the
public
as
as
the
example
madam
chair
just
gave
us.
So
how
every
word
that
the
other
question
I
had
was
on
the
same
page,
four
of
twelve
item:
D
conflict
of
interest.
K
F
L
Here's
here's
the
general
rule
is
if,
in
fact
a
commissioner
has
a
legal
conflict
of
interest
that
commissioner,
has
to
leave
the
room
and
can't
stick
around
in
the
back
of
the
room
that
was
actually
to
change
the
FPPC
made
a
few
years
ago
and
here's
the
reason
why
you
had
a
case
in
one
city
where
we
had
the
mayor
sitting
in
the
back
row.
Looking
at
the
rest
of
the
council
doing
things
like
excellent,
and
so
they
said
all
right:
that's
it
just
get
out
of
the
room.
Go
take
a
break.
L
The
one
exception
the
FPPC
regs
recognizes.
If
you
have
a
personal
interest
as
a
Palm,
Spring
citizen
say
your
property
would
be
affected
by
a
commission
proposal
or
something
you
would
be
allowed
to
come
to
the
podium
and
speak
to
the
Commission.
Just
like
any
other
citizen
during
public
comment,
and
then
you
can
sit
in
the
back
of
the
room,
but
it's
only
if
it's
affecting
your
personal
interest.
The
other
nuance
to
it
is
there's
really
no
other
suitable
representative.
L
So
say
this
is
going
to
affect
your
residence
and
you
know
you're
the
better
public
speaker
than
your
spouse
or
something
that's
okay,
you
could
sit
in
the
room,
you
can
watch
the
testimony
and
then
you
can
speak
to
it.
Like
any
other
citizen.
Don't
do
this
stuff,
don't
don't
do
any
of
that
but
say
it
we're
affecting
your
business
and
you
had
a
business
partner
who
could
come
to
the
podium
and
speak
to
it
stay
out
of
the
building?
A
With
the
new
transparency
rules
that
we
have,
which
are
not
the
not
a
business
conflict
of
interest
or
500
feet
of
your
property,
but
you
sit,
you
sit
on
a
deliberative
body
like
say
a
neighborhood
organization.
That's
written
a
letter,
but
you
don't
have
an
fppc
conflict.
Do
you
have
to
leave
the
room
you.
L
Know
I
can't
speak
to
your
transparency
procedures.
I
have
not
really
had
an
opportunity
to
dig
into
those.
Yet
if
you
don't,
if
it
does
not
rise
to
the
level
of
a
legal
conflict
under
fppc
rules,
then
all
of
those
rules
just
simply
do
not
apply
again.
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
you
know
take
a
look
at
your
transparency
rules
to
recoil
find
out.
If
that
would
require
leaving
the
room
as
well.
But
I
can
tell
you
what
the
FPPC
rules
the
general
was
rule
is
yeah.
You
need
to
leave
the
room.
Would.
B
L
L
L
A
L
A
L
The
the
first
sentence
gets
more
into
you
can
address
anything
during
general
public
comment,
even
if
it's
not
on
the
agenda,
except
for
special
meetings
and
there's
a
special
rule
for
special
meetings,
which
is
only
stuff
on
the
agenda.
There's
really
no
general
public
comment
in
a
special
meeting.
A
A
L
Yeah
for,
for
example,
in
general
public
comments,
somebody
could
come
up
and
say:
the
Planning
Commission
in
the
city
needs
to
do
thing
about
that
street
out
there.
That
may
be
within
your
jurisdiction,
and
so
that
would
be
fair.
They
could
not
get
up
to
the
podium
and
go.
We
need
to
do
something
about
Isis
and
Syria,
not
within
our
jurisdiction.
So
that's
not
really
public
comment
for
the
Planning
Committee.
This
is
a
pretty
expansive
Planning
Commission.
A
A
A
A
L
Trying
to
follow
the
maximum
of
less
is
more
here
so
item
2
subcommittee,
purpose,
Planning
Commission
subcommittees
may
be
formed
to
serve
the
following
non-exclusive
purposes.
You
just
put
that
in
there
and
I
think
that
opens
it
up
enough
that
you're
not
going
to
be
just
stuck
in
those
three
categories
and
if
you
know
yet,
the
wild
card
issue
come
up.
B
C
L
C
G
E
E
Perhaps
madam
chair
I
can
address
that
in
terms
of
what
is
a
public
hearing
versus
what
is
not
a
public
hearing,
that's
identified
in
chapter
94
of
the
zoning
code.
It
specifically
identifies
what
types
of
applications
are
public
hearings.
As
far
as
your
rules
of
procedure,
it
more
or
less
exists
by
default.
That
public
hearings
on
page
5
of
12
identifies
the
fact
that
those
who
wish
to
speak
at
public
hearings
do
so
under
the
public
hearing
itself,
otherwise,
the
language
on
page
4
under
public
comments.
That
is
the
language
that
identifies
that.
E
C
So
I'd
have
to
look
at
the
zoning
code,
it
okay
and
then
there
was
a
I
suggested
me
when
we're
discussing
this
previously
that
the
agenda
itself
clarify
when
the
public
could
speak
on
an
item
and
when
they
were
prohibited
from
speaking
at
the
time
of
the
hearing
itself,
not
at
the
beginning
that
did
we
lose
that
or
is
that
something
that'll
just
happen?
I
remember.
E
Us
having
the
discussion
of
that
and
what
I
will
do
for
your
next
agenda,
all
add
language
that
clarifies
that
point
as
part
of
the
right
after
the
roll
call
where
we
have
report
of
the
agenda.
Acceptance
of
the
agenda
public
comments,
we'll
add
some
additional
language
there
identifying
that
under
non
public
hearing
items,
members
of
the
public
would
need
to
comment
under
public
comments.
So
maybe
we
can
do
that
to
clarify
that
situation.
Does.
D
D
If
you
moved
public
comments
under
for
new
business,
it
would
be
clear
that
that
is
when
you
speak
on
any
of
those
items
that
are
not
public
hearings
having
it
weigh
up
after
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda
is
not
intuitive
that
you
can
speak
to
these
I
know
it
was
verbalized
by
the
chair,
but
it's
still
when
you
look
at
the
document,
it's
not
clear.
Oh
I
need
to
speak
and.
H
D
E
Perhaps
we
can
do
this.
One
of
the
issues
is
that
public
comment
needs
to
be
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I
want
to
be
thinking
of
the
wrong
state,
but
if
state
law
requires
us
to
have
public
comments
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
so
it
gives
the
opportunity
for
the
public
to
talk.
What
we
might
do
to
our
agenda
is
just
indicate,
in
parentheses,
that
if
you
wish
to
speak
on
items
4a
and
4b,
you
would
do
so
under
public
comment
at
this
portion
of
the
agenda.
E
G
Madam
chair,
yes,
just
information
getting
to
it,
I
think
Commissioner
was
original
comment
or
a
concern
was
when
I
was
previously
on
a
Planning
Commission
in
another
city.
We
always
let
the
public
discuss
anything
other
than
things
that
were
on
the
consent
calendar.
We
could
basically
took
testimony
on
all
items.
I,
don't
think
that
that
is
what's
required.
It
was
our
practice
I'm
not
suggesting
that
here,
but
I
think
that's
what
the
public
would
like.
Obviously
consider
it's,
not
it's
not
completely
out
of
line.
K
Sure,
if
I
could
I
I
would
agree,
and
in
my
my
profession,
we've
also
been
in
situation,
especially
unheated
issues.
If
they
are
limited
that
the
you
know
just
taking
public
comment,
you're
not
reacting
to
it
or
anything
of
that
nature.
It's
not
a
public
hearing.
You
don't
have
to
do
it,
I
guess,
but
just
hearing
from
the
public
sometime
and
I
think
we
gave
the
example
of
a
house.
You
had
a
couple
of
meetings
ago
that
the
information
was
very
successful
in
the
decision
making.
A
E
B
K
G
E
Maybe
go
ahead
and
continue
this
to
April
11th,
and
so
that
way
that
gives
us
time
to
discuss
how
we
invite
testimony
without
opening
the
floodgates
where
the
testimony
is
truly
relevant
to
the
matter
at
hand
in
terms
of
what
will
help
the
Planning
Commission
in
making
a
determination
if
the
application
meets
kovetz
and
requirements.
So
we'll
go
ahead
and
work
on
that,
then
so.
A
K
K
A
G
E
A
A
A
G
A
A
There
is
a
meeting
and
Flynn
I'm,
not
quite
sure
where,
on
the
the
group
that
is
meeting
on
the
park,
the
downtown
Park
for
people
who
don't
know
the
City
Council
abbreviated,
the
process
by
having
two
representatives
of
the
Planning
Commission,
the
Arts
Commission
AAC,
I'm,
not
sure
who
else
sit
with
the
Consul
to
get
approvals
on
the
park
design.
So
they
could
expedite
the
process.
I'm,
not
sure.
If
this
is
that
meeting,
I.
E
E
According
to
my
meeting
invite,
and
that
is
members
chair
where
Mac
and
Commissioner
Hirsch
mine
are
the
two
representatives
there
I
apologize.
I
was
trying
to
get
some
plans
together.
That
I
could
forward
to
all
members
of
the
Planning
Commission.
So
you
could
see
the
design
of
the
downtown
park.
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
those
for
you
right
now:
I'll,
try
and
email
them
to
you
if
I
have
them
later,
just
so
that
all
members
of
the
Commission
have
a
chance
to
review
the
proposed
plans,
if
you
haven't
seen
them
already
and.
E
A
We
have
two
more
subcommittees
that
we've
been
asked
to
take.
A
look
at
one
is
on
fairly
broad
issues
related
to
parking
to
review
our
code
to
see
if
the
parking
requirements
we
have
are
appropriate
in
this
time
of
Oberer
and
lyft,
where
people
are
using
more
of
services
to
get
to
power
to
get
to
destinations,
but
I
think
it
might
be
broader
than
that
in
that
I
believe.
A
There
there's
a
concern
about
the
impact
of
there
not
being
enough
parking
in
some
areas
that
people's
neighbor
hoods
are
being
parked
up
and
there's
a
third
issue
that
has
begun
to
emerge,
which
is
parking
around
trailheads
of
CV
link
when
the
trail
is
not
connected.
So
I
think
there's
interim
interim
parking
parking
issues,
so
it's
pretty
broad
mandate
as
far
as
I
know,
but
we
have
been
asked
by
City
Council
to
take
a
look
at
that
Commissioner
Hudson
has
volunteered
to
be
on
that
I
was
thinking.
A
You're
already
on
two
Commission's
that
are
require
work,
so
I'm
I'm
wondering
I'm,
retired,
you're,
retired.
You
have
time
okay,
nobody
else
volunteer
to
raise
their
hands,
so
I
was
looking
for
your
hand,
but
I
didn't
see
it
and
then
also
at
Council.
There
were
issues
around
whether
the
adequacy
of
our
noise
ordinance,
I,
don't
know.
If
that's
something
we
should
think
about
a
little
bit
before.
We
think
about
a
subcommittee
I
mean
yes,.
E
A
Not
to
go
to
issues
that
are
connected
to
it.
One
is
the
whether
or
not
given
the
large
large
amount
of
ambient
noise
in
the
city.
The
city's
noise
limits
at
the
periphery,
the
property
are
set
appropriately,
and
the
second
question
was
whether
or
not
the
the
noise
ordinance
captures
bass
sounds
adequately
and
whether
there
should
be
a
standard
for
bass,
so
it
kind
of
went
in
two
different
directions:
I.
B
Think
my
question
is
this:
there
ought
to
be
a
formal
procedure
whereby
council
forms
us
in
a
more
formal
way
that
they
want
us
to
look
into
these
issues
because
you're
getting
them
from
conversations
you've
had
with
people
or
maybe
watching
it
on
television
of
being
there,
but
we
ought
to
get
a
directly
with
the
parameters.
So
it's
well-defined
and
we
know
exactly
what
it
is.
They
want
to
see.
A
Before
we
do
that,
actually
on
parking,
I
think
that
would
be
good
I
mean
we
got
a
message
from
one
of
the
city
councilors
asking
us
to
do
it,
but
it's
not
very
formal.
Although
most
of
the
things
like
this
we
get
we
get
in,
we
don't
get
it
as
if
they
don't
take
a
formal
motion
at
console
to
ask
us
to
do
things
and.
E
Just
to
respond
to
Commissioner
donenfeld
comment.
Typically,
that
would
either
come
through
staff.
That
I
would
receive
a
directive
from
the
city
manager
to
have
the
chair
a
point
members
to
a
subcommittee
or
else
another
way
that
that
might
happen
now
that
we
have
a
council
liaison
as
it
might
come
through.
The
council
liaisons
report
well.
B
A
G
D
A
E
I
will
want
to
meet
with
the
members
of
the
PD
D
sub
committee
to
discuss
our
next
meeting.
If
we
could
do
that
right
afterwards
and
set
a
date
for
doing
that,
and
then
mr.
Newell
will
get
together
with
the
members
who
are
serving
on
the
golf
course
subcommittee
to
establish
your
next
meeting
for
that
one
as
well
and
less.
There
are
any
other
comments
from
the
Planning
Commission
I
have
just
a
few
items.
To
mention
to
you
number
one
is
that
we
will
schedule
a
study
session
on
April.
E
The
11th
will
begin
that
at
11
a.m.
in
the
large
conference
room
the
topic
for
discussion,
for
that
one
will
be
a
pre
application
that
was
submitted
to
us
for
the
I'm
gonna
call
it
the
Tommy
Jacobs
Golf
Course
property
off
of
LCA
lo,
so
that
will
be
the
subject
of
that
study
session
again.
This
is
just
a
pre
application
that
has
been
submitted.
E
That
application
relates
is
again.
This
is
a
pre
application.
They
haven't
filed
formal
applications
at
this
point
in
time.
The
other
thing
that
I
wanted
to
mention
to
you
was
the
infusion.
Beach
project
was
discussed
at
the
City
Council
meeting
last
week
and
was
approved
several
of
the
City
Council
members
commended
the
Planning
Commission
on
the
very
thorough
job
that
you
did
in
terms
of
your
conditions
of
approval
and
in
looking
at
protecting
the
impacts
from
adjacent
residents.
E
So
I
just
wanted
you
to
be
aware
that
the
time
that
you
spent
on
that
was
appreciated
by
the
City
Council
and,
and
so
that's
that
also
I
want
to
mention.
There
will
be
an
veiling
of
the
statue
in
the
paseo
right
adjacent
to
the
Rouen
Hotel
at
6:30
p.m.
tomorrow.
You
can
join
us
for
that.
That
would
be
wonderful,
and
that
concludes
all
of
my
comments
and
you've
already
met
mr.
priest.
We're
happy
to
have
him
on
board.