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The
Planning
Commission
can
only
take
with
the
Planning
Commission
to
take
no
action
on
the
items
and
comments
that
were
received.
However,
you
are
welcome
to
come
up
and
speak
to
the
on
the
items
that
are
on
the
agenda
and
anything
else
of
a
general
interest
to
the
Planning
Commission.
Please
note:
the
plan
equation
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
items
not
listed
in
the
posted
agenda.
You'll
have
three
minutes
for
each
speaker.
Testimony
for
public
hearings
may
be
offered
at
the
time
of
the
actual
public
hearing
itself.
F
If
you
are
here
to
speak
on
items,
1a,
1b
or
1c,
which
basically
deals
with
the
right
of
way,
this
would
be
your
time
to
come
up
and
speak
to
the
Commission.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
wants
to
speak
on
those
or
other
items
of
general
interest
to
the
Planning
Commission?
Seeing
none
we'll
move
on.
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Okay
motion
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much.
We'll
move
on
to
the
public
hearings.
The
first
public
hearing
is
a
grocery
alley,
requesting
a
signed
variance
to
allow
two
two
sides
to
signs
with.
In
the
central
business
district
located
at
350,
South
Palm,
Canyon
Drive
the
zone
is
CBD.
The
case
is
8.26.
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At
that
time,
the
applicant
was
proposing
to
change
the
exterior
of
the
building
slightly
by
repainting
and
adding
different
sconces
light
sconces
redoing
the
parking
lot
to
add
new
landscaping
and
restriping
of
the
lot
at
the
time.
The
signs
per
for
the
proposed
grocery
store
were
not
part
of
the
application,
but
since
then
the
applicant
has
come
back
with
a
proposal
that
is
larger
than
what
the
sign
ordinance
would
allow.
So
in
the
central
business
district.
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The
letter
Heights
that
are
permitted
for
the
first
letter
of
a
one
line
of
text
is
16
inches,
anything
larger
than
that
who
requires
a
signed
variance.
So
that
is
why
they
are
here
today.
They
are
asking
to
increase
letter
Heights
above
what
would
be
permitted
in
the
central
business.
District
staff
would
like
to
mention
that
the
the
subject
building,
which
is
an
18,000
square
foot
building,
is
rather
large
for
comparable
to
the
other
buildings
that
are
in
the
central
business
district.
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So
if
you
know
other
sites
that
are
long,
Palm
Canyon
Drive
there,
they
are
closer
to
the
street.
They
have
smaller
frontages,
where
this
site,
as
we
know,
sits
farther
back
behind
a
parking
lot
which
faces
Palm,
Canyon
Drive,
so
to
get
into
the
the
specifics
of
the
proposal.
The
slide
that's
before
you
today
shows
the
approved
paint
scheme
which
was
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission,
went
through
architecture,
Advisory,
Committee
and
set
of
sconces
that
are
replacing
the
existing
light.
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Fixtures
that
are
on
the
building,
so
the
two
colors
that
are
proposed
are
a
pewter
color,
which
is
the
main
body
and
then
a
darker
color,
which
is
in
the
recessed
areas.
What
was
handed
out
to
you
today
are
some
new
exhibits
that
were
not
including
your
packet,
so
those
exhibits
include
the
the
wall
sconce,
which
was
a
blue
by
approved
by
the
planning
director
and
some
more
design.
That
shows
the
the
sign
on
the
actual
painted
scheme.
What
was
in
your
Planning
Commission
packet
did
not.
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This
is
the
elevation
that
faces
the
the
North
facing
parking
lot,
and
you
can
see
that
the
the
proposed
sign
sort
of
juts
out
from
the
the
elevations
when
staff
room
first
received
the
project.
We
asked
that
the
applicant
provide
some
sort
of
drawings
that
show
more
depth.
Shadow
and
width
of
the
letters
and
the
next
series
of
slides
shows
what
that
will
look
like
so
they're
proposing
that
the
letter
heights-
let's
get
to
those
so
here,
are
some
more
examples
of
the
depth
and
shadow
of
what
they're
proposing.
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So
in
order
to
have
a
the
Planning
Commission
approve
assigned
variance,
there
has
to
be
some
findings
that
need
to
be
made.
The
applicant
is
is
asking
that,
because
of
the
site
of
the
building
setback,
far
from
North
pas
or
south
pumpkin
and
drive
that
it
makes
it
difficult
to
view
so
they're
proposing
to
add
these
two
signs
you'll
see
that's
a
hundred
fifty
eight
feet
back
from
the
street
of
Palm
Canyon
Drive.
So
when
you're
driving
south,
as
you
know,
South
Pumpkin
is
one
way
the
building
is
set
back
farther.
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When
staff
first
reviewed
the
project,
this
was
the
proposal
at
five
feet
for
the
the
total
height
of
the
sign.
We
were
concerned
about
the
reveal
the
distance
between
the
edge
of
the
red
placard
and
the
top
of
the
building
and
then
the
bottom
of
the
recessed.
So
they
have
come
back
and
revised
it
for
a
total
of
four
foot,
ten
inches,
which
gives
us
five
inches
on
each
on
each
end,
to
provide
greater
white
space
behind
the
red
plaque.
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So
once
again,
the
the
letter
Heights
will
be
22
inches
tall,
which
is
taller
than
what
the
code
allows,
which
is
16
inches
and
then
the
bargain
market,
which
is
the
second
line
of
text
that
also
ranges
between
14
and
16
inches.
So
the
variance
the
total
square
footage
is
47
square
feet
roughly,
and
this
size
is
permitted
it's
less
than
50
square
feet,
which
would
which
would
be
permitted
by
the
sign
code.
However,
the
variance
once
again
is
for
the
letter
Heights.
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So
in
the
packet
they
presented
to
you,
they
have
listed
some
other
signs
that
are
in
the
mediate
area.
And
if
you
look
at
the
very
left
hand,
side
there's
a
street
the
sort
of
view,
and
it
shows
signs
that
are
along
the
street,
which
include
the
BevMo
across
the
street,
the
quality
in
the
topple,
a
Kia
which
is
a
Mexican
restaurant,
the
Rite
Aid,
so
those
spaces
that
are
adjacent
to
at
the
Rite
Aid
in
the
Mexican
restaurant.
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Those
are
part
of
a
multi-tenant
sign
program
and,
as
the
Planning
Commission
knows,
that
you
can
approve
sign
program
that
alters
or
provides
very
deviations
from
what
the
code
allows,
but
because
this
is
a
standalone
building
on
a
single
lot.
That
is
not
an
option.
So
that
is
why
they
have
to
come
in
and
ask
for
a
variance,
because
they
cannot
ask
for
a
sign
program,
because
it's
not
multi-tenant.
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So
there
are
they
provided
some
photographs.
As
you
come
down
the
street.
The
building,
as
you
know,
sets
back
150
some
feet,
and
this
proposed
sign
will
be
above
the
front
entry
into
the
grocery
store
and
then
on.
Indian
Canyon.
The
the
building
is
about
five
feet
off
the
property
line.
However,
they
would
like
to
place
the
sign
high
up
on
the
building
so
that
it
can
be
seen
from
across
the
street.
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In
your
packet,
there
are
findings
that
the
Planning
Commission
needs
to
be
made
in
order
to
meet
grant
of
variance.
This
is
a
public
hearing.
Notice
was
sent
out
to
all
Jason
to
budding
property
owners.
No
no
correspondence
was
received
from
anyone
regarding
this
project.
The
applicant
is
here
and
from
the
sign
company
who
has
been
working
with
Grocery
Outlet
to
devise
this
program.
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You
Glen
before
we
take
questions,
can
I
ask
Glen.
Could
you
just
go
back
to
your
slide
that
showed
the
sign
program
for
the
neighboring
businesses
right
there
and
can
you
the
reason
I
pulled
that
signup
as
most
of
those
are
channel
letters
without
a
backing?
Can
you
just
explain
to
the
Commission,
because
some
commissioners
are
new
about
the
red
backing
on
this
and
and
versus
that
those
examples
which
have
no
red
backing
and
how
the
sign
size
is
calculated,
correct.
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So
in
these
examples,
the
rite-aid
we,
the
the
sign
ordinance-
allows
us
to
draw
a
box
around
the
text
and
the
text
is
what
can
makes
up
the
square
footage
of
the
sign.
We
don't
necessarily
count
the
red.
So
if
we
go
to
this
sign,
you'll
see
that
the
bottom
a
box
was
was
drawn
around
the
grocery
outlet,
and
that
was
a
square
footage
that
we
use
to
calculate
great.
C
You
there
was
some
confusion
when
this
was
reviewed
under
a
conditional
use
permit
about
Commission's
jurisdiction
over
certain
things
that
the
Commission
wanted
done,
and
then
we
were
told
at
a
subsequent
meeting
that
that
was
not
to
be
the
case.
But
what
I'd
like
to
understand
is
because
they,
they
obviously
took
our
advice
on
the
paint.
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So
the
the
Planning
Commission-
if
we
look
at
this
this
drawing
that's
in
front
of
us
here
on
the
bottom,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
the
centering
of
the
entry
door,
the
car
corral,
how
that
would
be
laid
out.
If
that
would
be
landscaping
that
would
screen
the
the
carb
the
parking
of
the
carts
at
the
front
entrance.
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There
was
discussion
of
the
types
of
trees
that
would
be
planted
in
the
in
the
parking
lot.
The
wallsconce
after
the
Planning
Commission
meeting.
You
gave
staff
direction
to
work
on
a
paint
scheme
that
would
be
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
buildings
within
the
neighborhood,
and
we
took
your
direction
and
worked
with
the
applicant
to
come
up
with
the
paint
scheme.
That's
shown
here
and
I
do
have
one
of
the
paint
samples.
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If
you
actually
want
to
see
what
it
looks
like
the
paint
and
then
we
worked
with
them
on
sconce
and
that's
the
light
sconce
that
is
presented
to
you
today
that
that
the
applicant
could
find
one
that
was
appropriately
sized.
That
was
large
enough,
some
of
the
ones
that
we
showed
at
the
last
Planning
Commission.
They
were
too
short
we
felt,
and
this
one
we
feel
meets
that
meets,
that
bill.
C
There
were
a
number
of
items
on
that
list,
including
providing
new
glazing
in
the
openings
or
some
other
opaque
material
rather
than
film.
On
the
glass
there
were
a
number
of
items
like
there's,
probably
a
dozen
items
on
the
list.
That
was
the
first
meeting
that
we
did
were
its
meaning
might
have
been.
The
second
meeting
and
I
just
want
understand
which
one
specifically
they're
agreeing
to
on
that
list
and
which
ones
they've
said
no
to.
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L
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Correct
the
applicant
had
filed
a
conditional
use
permit
and
a
minor
architectural
application
together.
We
brought
both
of
those
applications
to
you,
even
though
a
minor
architectural
application
is
really
a
staff
level
approval,
and
so
we
were
just
looking
for
the
input
of
the
Planning
Commission
relative
to
the
minor
architectural
application,
even
though,
as
a
conditional
use
permit,
we
normally
wouldn't
do
it.
So
it's
because
there
were
two
applications
and
we
were
only
seeking
the
input
of
the
Planning
Commission
under.
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C
So
this
is
the
code
address,
or
are
we
allowed
to
address
the
placement
of
a
right
plac
so
to
speak?
A
backing
board
to
the
signage
took
part
of
this
review,
because
if
you
look
at
the
examples
that
were
shown
to
us
by
staff,
none
of
those
seem
to
have
that
quality.
They
seem
to
be
all
individual
channel
letters
that
are
adhere
directly
to
the
building
right.
C
Oh,
my
question
is:
do
we
have
any
jurisdiction
over
being
able
to
review
the
plaque
at
the
back
as
well?
If
you
look
at
all
of
the
other
signage
in
in
any
examples
that
you've
shown
us,
none
of
them
have
a
plaque,
and
you
could
say
that
corporate
identity
has
to
do
with
background
colors
or
you
could
say
that
we,
you
know,
plaques
are
not
something
that
the
city
wants
right.
L
So
they're
they're
asking
for
a
sign
variance.
So
it's
on
the
letter
height
a
if
this.
If
they
were
to
present
a
sign
that
had
16-inch
letters
to
us
at
staff,
we
would
have
no
reason
to
deny
it,
but
because
it's
before
the
Commission
today
the
Commission
can
review
the
letter
height.
It
could
review
the
the
red
backing.
I'm
I,
don't
see
why
you
couldn't
discuss
that
and.
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G
At
the
sheet
11
of
11,
that
has
the
various
other
signs.
Do
we
know
the
height,
for
instance,
Woody's
do
we
know
the
height
of
the
W,
for
example?
It
looks
like
it's.
It
says
here
in
the
at
the
bottom,
nearby
signs
over
16
inches
letter
height,
so
the
assumption
is
that
all
of
these
are
higher
than
16
inches.
G
L
And
Rite
Aid
is
30
so
and
keep
in
mind
that
when
this
was
a
staples,
the
the
Planning
Commission
way
back
in
1991
and
I'm
pulling
up
some
information
that
isn't
in
the
staff
report.
They
approved
the
staples
letter
heights
taller
than
what
the
code
would
allow
and
it
went
to
Planning
Commission
they
denied
it.
It
went
on
to
City
Council
in
the
City
Council
overturned
it
and
approved
it.
H2K.
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L
G
L
In
this
drawing
right
aid,
which
is
30
inches,
the
Mexican
restaurant
is
larger
and
Woody's
is
larger.
So
these
are
the
rite-aid
in
the
Mexican
restaurant
or
in
the
sign
program.
Adjacent
to
this
property
Woody's
is
farther
down,
and
that
also
is
an
assigned
program
with
the
20
Roma's,
which
is
next
door
to
this.
F
A
Name
is
Mitch,
Chalmers
I
represent
the
sign
company
and
also
to
a
degree
Grocery
Outlet,
so
I
wanted
to
first
reinforce
a
few
items
that
you
heard
in
the
report
just
to
justify.
Why
you're?
Seeing
what
you
see
the
one
of
the
reasons
that
the
sign
is
is
proposed
at
the
height
that
the
letter
height
that
you're
seeing
is
because
the
sign
is
higher
than
most
you
know.
A
It's
also
because
this
sort
of
offsets,
the
the
perceived
height
so
getting
that
few
inches
of
height
creates
sort
of
parity
with
the
other
signs,
and
we
carefully
did
look
at
all
the
the
other
nearby
signs
and
things
that
we
that
we
noticed
is
that,
although
there,
the
concentration
of
overall
letter
Heights,
happens
in
this
area,
they're
not
really
concentrated
together,
you're
not
standing
ever
standing
in
one
place,
seeing
a
bunch
of
large
Heights.
So
this
helps
it
doesn't
really
create
a
sense
of
light
or
a
group
of
large
signs.
A
So
and
of
course,
although
this
building
itself
isn't
multi-tenant
shopping
center,
it
it's
a
two
butts
one,
so
it
it
doesn't
mean
that
it's
it's
a
multi-tenant,
but
it
sort
of
doesn't
look
out
of
place.
It's
not
like
it's
a
standalone
building,
that's
out
it's
a
pad
off
somewhere,
so
that
helped
us
feel
like
it's
that
it
works.
The.
A
Yeah,
the
the
other
thing
is
that's
more
about
its
place
in
the
in
the
area,
but
and
then
the
sign
itself
is
important.
The
red
background
is
is
really
critical
to
this
brand
and
it's
as
it's
become
more
important
over
time
and
it's
hard
to
express
how
critical
that
is
to
this
two
to
four
Grocery
Outlet
I,
don't
think
you're
ever
gonna
see
a
Grocery
Outlet.
A
It
doesn't
have
the
right
background
and
you
know
we
want
to
be
respectful
to
you
know
the
aesthetics
of
every
community
we
go
into,
but
it's
been
working
and
I
can
talk
about
the
depth
of
the
sign.
The
letters
themselves
are
five
inches,
which
is
typical
for
channel
letters,
and
the
the
background
that
is
on
is
two
inches,
so
it's
it's
you
know
deeper
than
most,
but
because
of
the
height
it's
perceived
depth
isn't
overbearing.
A
Yes,
it's
important
to
you
know,
maintain
the
consistency,
but
one
of
the
reasons
that
sign
is
placed
back
there
closed
at
the
same
size
is
because
that
science
serves
northbound
traffic
and
being
able
to
you
know,
see
the
sign
as
you
pass
it.
It
helps
because
if
a
sign
is
small
and
you're
on
top
of
it
and
it's
25
feet
in
the
air,
it
sort
of
becomes
a
postage
stamp
that
you,
you
don't
really
take
notice
of,
and
it
doesn't
really
serve
its
purpose
as
a
as
you
know,
strong
brand
identity.
A
A
Yeah
I
think
that
the
that
the
sign
is
it's
important
that
it
go,
we're
go
where
it's
installed
because
anything
lower.
It
would
create.
Really,
you
know
bad
visibility
issues
and
it
would
look
awkward.
You
know
it's
the
design
of
the
building
and
so
really
being
up
there
in
that
sign
band
is
important
and
if
it's
gonna
be
on
the
sign
band
it
its
presence
should,
you
know,
deserves
to
have
that
little
bit
of
offset
to
help
compensate
for
lack
of
parity
with
other
signs
in
this
area.
That
would
be
it
for
now.
Thank.
F
H
If
it's
on
the
first
on
the
first
panel,
if
you
will,
as
opposed
to
it,
seeing
it
more
towards
the
entry
to
the
parking
lot
but
in
terms
of
the
increase
in
size
and
even
the
red
background,
we've
been
very
respectful
as
a
commission
over
the
years
to
the
branding
of
various
applicants
and
branding
and
signage
is
very
important
to
them.
And
unless
it's
just
absolutely
obscene
or
egregious
we've,
been
pretty
consistent
with
the
the
branding
request
of
the
applicant.
So
those
are
my
comments.
C
Yes,
I
am
going
to
expect
fully
disagree
with
Commissioner
Donna
Feld
on
this
I
believe
we
have
a
duty
to
maintain
the
integrity
of
our
community,
regardless
of
any
specific
branding
requirements
of
a
retailer
that
wants
to
come
into
our
business
district
and
although
the
size
of
the
sign
to
me
is
not
as
much
of
an
issue
as
that
plaque
it
it
just
really
degrades
the
building
it.
It's
it's
I,
think
painting.
If
these
colors
will
tone
the
building
down
quite
a
bit
in
a
nice
way,
I
I
think.
C
C
It's
a
very
use,
a
phrase
down
market
look
to
a
retail
outlet.
That's
why
all
of
our
retail
endeavors!
If
you
go
up
and
down
you,
look
at
the
photographs
that
were
supplied
are
individual
letters
on
the
face
of
the
building.
It's
a
more
expensive
way
to
put
a
sign
up
because
they
have
to
drill
a
hole
as
two
holes
for
each
letter
to
get
electrical
back
to
it
and
honestly,
I've
got
to
say
that's,
probably
a
big
determinant
and
why
they
want
to
put
the
plaque
there.
C
If
you
look
at
the
plaque
in
the
example,
they
gave
us
there's
a
little
bit
more
architectural
reason
for
the
plaque
to
be
there.
Could
you
flip
back
to
that
one
that
they
gave
us
the
Acrobat
yeah?
You
can
see,
there's
a
little
pop-out
top
and
bottom
and
they
put
the
plaque
within
that.
So
it
does
make
a
little
bit
more
architectural
sense
to
use
it
there.
But
when
you
go
back
to
the
proposal
for
our
community
it
it's
just
slathered
on
there
and
and
there's
it
just
makes
it
look
very
cheap
and
down
market.
C
This
is
something
you
might
see
in
other
communities,
but
you
really
haven't
seen
this
in
Palm
Springs
that
I'm,
aware
of
and
it's
kind
of
a
slippery
slope.
If
we
say
well
we're
gonna,
let
it
retail
or
do
anything
they
want
for
their
branding.
Then
we've
got
to
let
the
next
retailer
do
whatever
they
want
for
their
branding.
C
However
much
it
impinges
on
what
we
think
we
want
as
a
community,
so
I
would
approve
the
size
of
the
letters,
although
I'm
not
so
happy
with
the
one
on
Indiana
I,
think
their
rationale
goes
out
the
door,
because
the
two-way
streets
work
is
going
to
start
at
the
beginning
of
next
month
and
be
over
in
a
few
months,
but
I'd
be
willing
to
vote
for
the
size
of
the
letters
on
both
sides,
provided
we
don't
allow
the
plaque.
So
that
would
be
my
my
decision.
Thank.
J
G
G
Well,
you
know
in
this
town
that
big
red
thing
doesn't
work,
whereas
it
is
their
logo
and
that's
what
people
know
so
I
you
know
I'm
torn,
but
I
think
I'd
have
to
go
with
the
applicant
because
I
just
unless
there
are
other
examples
where
we're
constantly
or
we
are
not
actually
I,
wouldn't
I
just
say,
even
if
we
have
in
the
fat
past,
required
that
a
logo
be
altered,
I
wouldn't
request
it
here.
I
think
they.
This
is
what
they
do.
J
Logo
does
not
include
a
background.
A
logo
is
that
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
has
a
logo.
It's
a
round.
Logo
of
the
background.
Color
is
yellow
and
he
has
this
content,
for
all
we
know
is
that
the
very
first
grocery
was
a
very
Square
Building
and
they
had
already
a
pre
assigned
place
for
their
signage
and
it
happened
to
be
rectangular
and
it
filled
with
a
red
background
and
then
that's
what
it
kept
on
repeating.
We.
C
To
answer
to
respond
to
what
you
said
about
city
and
and
and
retail
logos,
I
I
can
remember
many
years
ago,
when
McDonald's
was
going
into
South,
Palm
Canyon,
not
the
one.
That's
there
now,
but
the
one
next
to
h3k
in
that
area
and
the
council
or
Planning
Commission
at
that
point,
I,
don't
know
who
specifically
denied
their
typical
signage
of
McDonald's.
They
thought
they
said.
Mcdonald's
signage
is
not
what
we
want
in
Palm,
Springs
and
and
I.
C
Don't
remember
it,
but
it
was
pretty
tasteful
what
we
wound
up
with
it
said
McDonald's
you
could
tell
it
was
McDonald's
the
the
look,
the
logo
type
didn't
change
and
we're
not
asking
this
tenant
to
change
its
logo
type.
What
we're
asking
them
to
change
is
a
piece
of
this
signage
that
architectural
II
does
not
fit
on
this
facade.
C
F
Like
to
just
add
some
comments,
if
I
can,
at
this
point
in
the
first
of
all
I
agree
with
the
Commissioner
Dinah
felt
on
the
location
of
the
sign
and
I
also
agree
that
the
red
background
doesn't
seem
appropriate
for
the
architecture.
That's
here,
but
I
want
to
put
myself
out
there
and
offer
us
offer
even
more
signage,
and
if
you
hear
me
out
just
a
minute
to
the
Commission,
I
would
like
to
see
it
be
channel
letters
without
the
background
and
thank
God
for
a
Google
search.
F
I
did
a
google
search
and
90%
of
the
grocery
outlets
are
in
a
red
background,
but
there
are
some
that
are
not
so
not
all
of
them
are
completely
a
red
background
and
I
do
agree.
We
want
to
look
at
our
city
to
see
what
works
best
for
this
type
of
architecture.
However,
since
we
are
really
doing
a
finding
about
the
pedestrian
look,
I
would
like
to
add
a
pedestrian
sign.
Just
a
you
know:
low
hanging
off
the
wall,
pedestrian
sign,
especially
as
we
go
to
two-way
keep
these
two
signs
without
the
written.
F
My
opinion
will
be
without
the
red
background
and
add
a
pedestrian
sign
where
they
could
do
that
red
background
that
hangs
off
there,
especially
as
we
go
to
two-way,
because
it's
very
blank
over
there
and
it's
not
a
great
pedestrian
experience
on
Indian
Canyon
right
now.
I
would
do
the
location
by
the
front
door
on
the
very
corner
of
Indian.
C
C
Incorporated
and
I
don't
mind
the
red
I
just
mind
it
plunk
John,
to
the
facade
of
the
building
in
a
way
that
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
the
facade.
The
architecture
just
looks
like
you
didn't
think
about
it
very
much
when
you
were
designing
it.
It
looks
like
a
real
ad-hoc
solution
to
a
problem.
We
got
a
low-low,
we
got
a
building,
that's
it.
We
there's
no
thought
behind
it.
There's
no
architectural
intent
behind
it.
It's
a
it's!
It's
our
it's
our
community.
We
got
to
be
more
cognizant
of
what
we're
approving
and.
F
C
F
C
D
J
Was
mentioning
about
increasing
the
signage
by
a
couple
of
inches
to
help
in
the
recognition
of
the
name
brand
from
the
street
as
an
exchange
of
removing
the
red
background
signage
on
that
fascia
and
I?
Didn't
hear
any
takers
on
that?
Is
there
because
you
much
rather
keep
the
22
and
a
half
inch
that
they're
being
proposed
in
this
variance.
C
L
G
C
F
J
G
A
So
this
signage
was
carefully
thought
out.
You
know
the
building
itself,
the
size
of
letters
were
chosen
to
not
be
any
bigger
than
is
necessary,
so
increasing
letter
height
may
not
be
helpful,
necessarily
eliminating
the
red
background
would
be
harmful
and
there
really
aren't
any
other
options
for
a
background
for
letters.
Let's
say
if
they
were
bigger,
then
I
think
the
Commissioner.
You
know
the
idea
about.
You
know
like
a
cloud
around
the
letters,
that's
something
that
you
see
on
well,.
C
F
A
D
A
To
continue
the
point
about
the
background,
we
were
putting
a
cloud
around
the
back
to
create
contrast.
That
is
a
typical,
very
unusual.
Look
these
days,
you'll
see
it
on
Togo's
and
in
subway,
and
that
that
particular
look
it's
a
good
idea
because
it
serves
a
purpose,
but
for
or
this
building
it
would
look
rather
onion
and
at
least
having
the
rectangle
all
those
a
design
element.
That's
consistent
with
the
with
the
building.
A
A
Well,
we'd
certainly
be
open
to
a
monument
sign.
The
challenge
for
this
site
is
there's
not
a
lot
of
places
for
it.
You
know,
there's
there's
our
pedestrian
height
walls,
at
least
on
the
palm
canyon
side,
and
it
is
something
we'd
have
to
look
at
really
carefully
to
make
sure
that
the
setback
isn't
so
far
that
it
that
that
it
would
be
functional
and
useful.
A
F
F
K
Comment
because
the
idea
of
a
monument
sign
has
come
up
in
front
of
the
Planning
Commission
I'd,
just
like
to
offer
that
in
the
downtown
uptown
sign
regulations
which
are
applicable
to
this
area,
monument
signs
are
not
permitted
unless
they're
done
under
a
sign
program,
or
in
this
case
they
could
do
it
as
part
of
a
variance.
So
if
the
Planning
Commission
were
to
approve
a
monument
sign,
it
would
need
to
be
included
as
part
of
this
variance
application
relative
to
a
pedestrian
sign.
K
F
K
C
You
go
back
to
sheet
11
of
11
the
one
with
the
very
other
retailers
in
the
area,
the
h3k
home
sign.
The
word
home
is
on
almost
a
white
background,
and,
and
you
know
that
that
was
their
logo,
I,
guess
and
that's
what
they
chose
to
do,
and
maybe
the
the
color
chip
that
they
they're
proposing
for
the
facade
of
the
building
that
fascia
element
in
the
pilasters
could
be
darker,
could
be
a
little
bit
darker.
It
could
be
our
car
beige
color.
That
would
contrast
with
the
white
outlet
of
the
Grocery
Outlet
Thank.
H
Again,
when
we
start
talking
about
changing
the
colors
of
our
signage,
this
is
the
signage
that
they've
established
nationwide
for
customer
record
recognition.
Now
it
may
be
slightly
different
in
the
earlier
iterations
of
this
of
this
Grocery
Outlet,
but
this
is
what
they
want.
I
look
at
the
rite-aid
sign
and
the
Mexican
restaurant,
which
I
like
apakah
I,
guess
it
is
those
are
particularly
aesthetically.
Pleasing
beautiful
upscale
retail
signs.
You've
got
a
Rite
Aid
for
God's
sakes.
I,
don't
understand
the
concern
that
this
is
somehow
dumbing
down
the
quality
of
the
aesthetics
of
Palm
Springs.
H
G
Regarding
the
h3k
you,
you
approached
a
face
on
when
you're
heading
south
on
Palm
Canyon,
you
see
it
right
facing
you,
where's
the
signs
up
for
this
building
are
perpendicular
to
the
road.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
was
an
appropriate
analogy.
But
yes,
you
can
see
the
word
home
but
you're
looking
straight
on,
then
let
me
see
if
I
understand
this
from
again
from
a
staff
perspective.
If
the
applicant
does
not
agree
with
our
our
findings,
our
conclusions
can
they
go
back
to
the
16
inch
in
the
way
they
want
it
designed?
Yes,.
D
Have
an
opinion
now
so
I
agree
with
with
you
that
we
should
allow
them
to
have
the
red
background
and
I
think
that
you
make
a
really
good
point
to
point
out
the
surrounding
businesses.
This
is
completely
in
line
with
everything.
That's
around
the
potential
location
for
Grocery
Outlet.
It
doesn't
make
it's
not
downtown.
You
know,
I
would
understand
if
it
was
in
the
middle
of
downtown,
but
it's
not
it's
at
the
end
of
the
strip
with
similar
buildings
nearby
and
also
it's
the
lucky
bot
key.
H
F
H
Yes,
I
would
I
mean
I
think
it's
something
that
I
I'm
not
necessarily
imposing
on
them.
They
may
have
had
a
corporate
reason
for
wanting
to
there
I
just
think
logistically
and
for
accessibility
and
visibility.
It
makes
more
sense
to
be
on
the
the
last
portal,
as
opposed
to
the
purse.
First
port
or
his
song,
described
it
differently.
It
made
more
sense
to
me:
I
keep
saying
arch.
Why
thank
you
and.
A
H
Would
be
really
up
to
I'd
be
curious?
Maybe
I
could
suspend
my
motion
for
a
minute
to
hear
from
our
sign.
Man.
I
know
that
sort
of
odd
when
you're
making
a
motion,
yeah,
I
I,
don't
really
I,
don't
think
it's
for
us
necessarily.
They
understand
who
their
customer
is
and
how
they
can
best
locate
the
facility
I
just
think
it
would.
It
would,
from
my
perspective,
if
I
were
designing,
it,
I
would
put
it
further
down
on
the
building
and.
F
F
This
is
a
Johnson
family
trust,
doing
business
as
colony
29
for
a
general
plan
amendment
to
change
the
land
use
designation
from
a
state
residential
er
to
medium
density,
residential
for
a
portion
of
the
property.
There's
a
negative
declaration
under
sequa
and
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
the
site
to
operate
as
a
seven
unit
hotel
located
at
103,
seven
South
tahquitz
Drive
zone
r2.
With
that,
can
we
have
a
staff
report,
please
just.
F
L
So,
as
I
mentioned,
the
site
can
be
rented
as
a
vacation
rental.
It
can
be
one
contract
that
rents
the
entire
property
and
then
multiple
people
can
stay,
and
then
there
are
that
take
place,
could
be
weddings,
corporate
meetings,
parties
that
can
take
place
in
the
the
residential
portion
and
then
also
on
the
flat
portion.
Where
you
see,
there's
a
large
lawn
and
then
to
the
right
of
the
slide.
L
There's
a
parking
area
which
is
used
for
caterers
and
employees
to
set
up
and
staged
events
so
as
the
property's
been
operating
as
vacation
rental,
the
the
zoning
and
the
general
plan
is
not
consistent.
The
residential
portion
of
the
project
is
zoned,
a
state
residential.
However,
the
underlying
zoning
is
zoned
r2,
which
is
medium
density
residential.
L
L
So
the
Planning
Commission,
when
they
evaluate
this
general
plan,
amendment
to
change
it
to
medium
density,
residential,
the
state
of
California,
does
not
provide
specific
guidelines
or
findings
that
the
Planning
Commission
needs
to
make.
However,
we
do
base
an
evaluation
of
the
the
GPA
based
upon
compatibility
of
proposed
uses
with
adjacent
land,
uses
development
patterns
of
the
neighborhood
and
potential
adverse
impacts
to
existing
and
future
development
in
this
vicinity.
So
the
first
point
that
we
need
to
look
at
is:
is
it
compatible
with
adjacent
and
abutting
land
uses?
L
L
So
the
immediate
area
adjacent
to
colony,
29,
is
surrounded
by
a
variety
of
existing
land
uses
that
are
generally
harmonious
with
the
proposed
use.
So,
as
I
mentioned,
there
are
other
hotels
and
multifamily
residences
within
the
area.
So
let
me
go
back
to
the
aerial,
so
we
can
see
that
so
there
is
other
small
hotels
that
consist
of
six
units
are
larger
that
are
located
within
the
immediate
vicinity,
so
staff
feels
that
this
finding
can
be
met.
L
So
we
feel
that
that
that
finding
can
be
met
also
will
they'll
be
potential,
adverse
impacts
to
existing
or
future
development
in
the
area
to
evaluate
this
finding
to
the
impacts
of
the
neighborhood.
An
initial
study
was
conducted
that
reviewed
traffic
noise,
air
quality
and
land
uses.
The
study
determined
that
the
proposed
amendment,
along
with
the
existing
operation,
would
not
result
in
new
impacts
or
less
or
cause
less
than
significant
impacts
on
the
surrounding
areas.
A
negative
declaration
is
before
you
today,
which
is
what
the
CQ
found
that
secret
document
is
included
in
your
packet.
L
It
is
was
a
Notice
of
Intent
was
published
and
there
was
a
20
day
review
period
to
receive
comments
from
any
any
one
that
was
interested.
Staff
did
receive
a
letter
from
the
tribe
being
that
this
is
with
not
far
from
tribal
site,
which
is
to
the
north,
and
they
agreed
that
the
cultural
monitoring,
which
is
part
of
the
any
of
our
conditions
of
approval,
be
sufficient.
L
So
that
was
our
finding
based
on
how
the
Planning
Commission
could
approve
the
general
plan
amendment.
The
second
element
of
this
application
is
a
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
these
residents
or
I'm.
Sorry,
these
hotel
units
to
have
kitchens
the
zoning
code
requires
that
if
more
than
10%
of
a
hotel
unit
contains
kitchens,
they
need
to
get
a
conditional
use
permit.
L
So
those
findings
are
listed
in
your
staff
report.
There
are
six
of
them
in
terms
of
parking
for
the
site.
They
are
providing
seven
regular
spaces
and
two
handicap
spaces
for
a
total
of
nine
spaces
and
I
know
that
there
has
been
a
question
about
the
main
house
contains
five
bedrooms,
and
some
of
the
other
houses
contain
two
and
three
bedrooms
and
there's
some
studios
in
staff's
response.
Is
that
the
staging
area
that
is
too
the
right
of
this
slide
would
be
sufficient
to
allow
parking
for.
L
If
someone
were
to
arrive
to
stay
at
the
at
Collin
twenty-nine,
there
would
be
sufficient
parking
on
the
site
in
terms
of
events
that
are
proposed
to
be
held
when
a
hotel
exists,
they
are
permitted
and
allowed
to
hold
accessory
type
of
events.
It's
normal
for
a
hotel
to
have
weddings
and
parties
and
meetings
corporate
meetings
on-site.
So
by
approving
the
general
plan,
amendment
changing
and
then
the
conditional
use
permit,
they
would
be
allowed
to
operate
as
a
hotel
and
would
not
need
to
come
in
for
event,
house
permits
or
register
as
a
vacation
rental.
L
So
when
people
arrive
at
the
of
the
site,
they
would
be
required
to
take
rideshare
or
taxis
or
shuttles.
There
would
be
no
parking
on
site
for
attendees
of
special
events,
and
that
is
how
the
property
is
operated,
as
described
by
the
applicants
justification
letter.
So
right
now,
if
you
come
to
an
event
at
Colony
29,
you
need
to
either
take
a
cab
or
uber
or
lyft
to
the
site.
L
So
in
your
your
packet,
there
is
a
series
of
conditions
of
approval
that
talks
about
hours
of
operation
for
the
the
project
it
limits
hours
to
9:00
a.m.
to
10:00
p.m.
in
the
evening,
and
also
there
is
a
discussion
of
noise
regulations.
The
property
would
have
to
adheres
to
the
noise
ordinance.
They
would
not
receive
waivers
know
this.
Your
approval
would
not
waive
those
noise
requirements,
so
if
they
were
to
have
an
event,
they
would
need
to
meet
those
noise
standards
at
the
edge
of
the
property.
L
Also,
there's
a
gushin
about
parking
in
the
in
this,
in
the
conditions
of
approval,
discussion
of
unit
count
meeting
the
density
requirements
which
seven
units
meets
the
fifteen
dwelling
units
per
acre
with
in
the
meeting
density,
residential
land,
use,
a
discussion
of
events
as
I
mentioned
hours,
noise
and
then
inspections.
If
something
were
to
occur,
that
the
applicant
would
work
with
the
the
Palm
Springs
Police
Department
to
quickly
resolve
any
issues
relative
to
those
events
and
then,
if
the
Planning
Commission
so
chooses
to
act
and
other
conditions,
we
would
accept
those.
L
So
this
is
a
public
hearing
before
the
Planning
Commission,
the
notice
was
sent
to
all
adjacent
abutting
property
owners
within
500
feet.
As
I
mentioned,
the
the
negative
declaration
was
advertised
and
published
for
public
viewing,
starting
on
April
1st
and
that
review
period
went
to
April
20th.
So
we
were
within
the
year
beyond
that
review
period.
So
the
Planning
Commission
can
take
three
actions.
You
can
recommend
approval
of
the
negative
declaration
to
the
City
Council.
L
You
can
recommend
approval
of
the
general
plan
amendment
to
the
City
Council,
and
you
can
approve
the
conditional
use
permit
to
allow
kitchens
in
seven
of
the
hotel
units
subject
to
the
conditions
of
approval.
So
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
have
the
if
the
chair
would
like
the
environmental
consultant
is
here
that
can
talk
about
the
negative
declaration.
If
you
choose
this.
D
D
You
know,
as
staff
said,
we
did
analyze
air
quality.
We
looked
at
the
traffic
and
we
looked
at
the
noise
report
and
again
nothing
exceeded
impacts
that
were
potentially
significant,
so
we
didn't
find
sort
of
the
same
things
that
you
would
when
you
have
a
project
with
raw
land
or
if
the
project
was
proposing
major
changes
or
renovations
so
because
the
project
isn't
really
proposing
any
there's.
There's
no
development
changes
whatsoever,
no
outside
changes.
D
F
F
L
D
D
We
had
no
increase
in
traffic,
primarily
because
you
can't
park
on
the
site
unless
you
are
going
to
stay
at
the
hotel,
so
I
mean
there
was
a
moderate
increase
in
traffic,
but
it
was
only
I
believe
I
believe
the
number
is
83
average
daily
trips,
and
so
that
is
still
way
below.
100
is
usually
the
standard
for
average
daily
trips
that
require
you
to
do
a
traffic
impact
report.
So
a
traffic
memo
was
prepared
just
to
basically
state.
D
H
C
C
L
L
C
L
K
I'll
just
jump
in
on
the
issue
of
the
vacation
rental
versus
the
hotel.
As
mr.
melaka
has
indicated,
the
current
general
plan
designation
on
the
westernmost
part
of
the
site
is
a
state
residential
and
per
our
general
plan.
Hotel
uses
are
not
allowed
in
land
use
designations
where
there's
only
single-family
uses
permitted,
and
so
a
general
plan
amendment
would
be
required
in
order
to
allow
the
hotel
use.
K
C
L
C
Could
those
be
rented
out
separately
now
they
they
can't
they
cannot.
They
cannot,
okay
and-
and
then
do
you
know
I
can
ask
the
applicant
this,
but
any
of
the
conditions
you're
proposing
to
put
on
the
conditional
use
permit
are
those
currently
being
adhere
to,
or
is
it
something
above
and
beyond
what
how
they
conduct
their
business?
Now,
I,
don't
know
if
you
know
this
I
could
ask
them
well.
L
What
they
have
to
do
is
they
have
to
meet
fire
codes,
so
they
are
in
the
process
of
doing
some
upgrades
to
meet
the
fire
code
requirements.
There
are
there
issues
with
a
pool,
lift
the
pools?
Do
not
you
need
to
have
a
lift
for
a
handicapped
person
to
get
in
out
of
the
pool
so
they're
doing
those
types
of
things
now.
C
L
So
every
event
that
they
have
they
need
to
come
in
and
get
an
event
house
permit.
So
in
2018
they
had
18
events
at
the
site.
So
each
of
those
events
they
need
to
come
in
and
get
a
series
of
conditions
of
approval.
Okay
and
that
in
a
dresses,
noise,
a
whole
series
of
trash
and
parking
and
number
of
people
that
attend
the
event.
So.
C
J
L
There's
a
distinction
between
multifamily
and
hotel
and
the
zoning
code
has
been
pretty
consistent
through
the
years
that
they
wanted
to
make
sure
that
if
you
have
kitchens
that
you
get
a
conditional
use
permit
and
versus
not
and
we've
seen
some
conversions
of
multifamily
that
have
gone
to
hotel,
that
they've
had
to
remove
the
kitchens
because
they
they
either
couldn't
or
didn't
meet
the
threshold
of
a
Cu
P,
so
they've
removed
the
kitchens
and
one
of
them
may
have
a
manager's
unit.
That
has
a
kitchen.
L
F
You,
as
we
know
this
is
a
it's
really
a
very
special
place
up
here,
and
it's
got
a
beautiful
history
to
it,
as
in
our
colony
as
well
and
I
think
the
readapting
that
has
been
used
so
far
and
the
vacation
rental
has
worked
fairly,
magically
I'm,
not
completely
magically
but
for
the
most
part
magically
out
there.
But
the
question
I
have
is
more
based
on
our
code
and
how
we
interpret
our
code.
F
L
F
And
then
I
understand
and
I'm,
looking
at
the
condition
number
plan,
four
on
page
seven-
and
this
is
just
really
around
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
sufficient
parking
on
the
site
and
it
can't
be
taken
away
and
that
we've
clearly
did
identified
it
in
the
Cu
P.
But
the
parking
says
additional
spaces
shall
be
made
in
an
overflow
area
identified
on
the
site
plan.
Is
that
actually
do
we
have
a
site
plan
where
that's
identified
right.
L
F
L
L
C
L
L
D
F
E
My
name
is
Dave
Johnston
I'm,
an
owner
of
colony,
29,
Thank,
You
Glen,
for
your
presentation,
nice
to
meet
you
staff
and
Here
I
am
so
Colin
Lee
29.
We
we
acquired
the
pieces
of
property
from
1997
all
the
way
until
2002.
Our
intention
was
to
restore
these
properties
and
bring
them
up
to
a
to
a
standard
that
was,
they
were
dilapidated,
falling
down
and
bring
him
up
to
a
very
acceptable
standard
and
bring
him
up
to
something
that
was
rich
and
and-
and
it
is
it's,
it's
a
beautiful
place.
E
But
that's
the
way
it
appears
so
in
in
regards
to
protecting
what
we're
trying
to
do
there
and
keep
it
viable
and
keep
it
moving
forward
was
to
opt
to
go
to
the
hotel
operation
and
that's
the
property.
We.
We
have
no
intention
to
ever
change
or
do
anything
different
to
the
property
it
was.
It
will
maintain
and
stay
as
it
is
I
have
at
this
time,
no
intention
of
adding
more
or
putting
more
units
in
place.
E
We
we
had
done
a
plan
quite
some
time
ago
with
Jim
Chee
AVI
and
did
some
small
bungalows
at
the
bottom,
but
it
just
wasn't
viable
and
we
just
looked
at
it
at
the
time
and
said:
no,
that's
that's
just
keep
calling
us
colony
and
keep
it
enriched
as
it
is.
Botanical
Gardens
are
phenomenal.
They
rival
anything
and
in
the
desert,
if
you've
ever
had
the
chance
to
walk
them
or
be
part
of
them.
It
is
a
beautiful
thing.
So
I
I
just
asked
that
you
consider
our
request
and
we
understand
the
restrictions.
E
We
understand
the
requirements.
We've
made
a
lot
of
arrangements
and
trying
to
be
good,
neighbors
and
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
It
isn't
a
perfect
world,
but
we
do.
We
have
a
property
manager
on
site
all
the
time
I
have
McLean
here,
so
they
can
speak
to
that.
We
have
people
that
monitor
sound.
We
have
people
to
monitor
security.
We
have
people
that
monitor
the
complete
facility
from
the
gardening
to
every
incremental
part
of
it.
E
F
H
Know
that
in
the
new
hotel
concept,
the
idea
of
a
front
desk
and
a
bellman,
and
all
that
is
sort
of
going
by
the
by
the
boards
I
know,
arrive,
has
its
own
model
and
it
seems
to
be
working
fairly
well,
how
will
people
get
access
to
the
units?
Where
will
they
pick
up
their
keys?
How
they
make
reservations?
How
all
that
work
based.
E
I
can
let
McLean
again
speak
to
that,
but
our
business
plan
is
very
much
similar
to
what
it
is.
Now
we
have
a
a
concierge
that
meets
the
people
on
the
property,
goes
through
the
property
with
them
and
releases
the
keys
to
them
at
that
time.
That
concierge
is
on
call
24
hours
a
day,
so
he's
not
on
property.
He,
but
he
meets
people
and
and
introduces
the
property
to
them
on
every
occasion,
whenever
you
went
and.
E
H
F
The
interesting
thing
about
this
property
is
definitely
California
living
that
a
lot
of
your
special
amounts
are
all
held
outdoors,
which
can
cause
some
conflicts
at
times
as
you
move
from
a
vacation
rental,
which
has
some
pretty
strict
enforcement
into
a
hotel,
which
is
a
little
more
liberal,
with
special
events
as
far
as
the
permitting
process,
how
do
you
anticipate
you're
going
to
make
sure
that
these
special
events
still
maintain
noise
and
other
nuisances
to
the
neighbors?
What.
E
We
have
established
is,
first
of
all,
we
hired
a
sound
engineer.
Jack
Freitag
jack
was
prepared.
This
document,
the
sound
report
that
you
have,
he
also
came
out
and
analyzed
the
the
hill
property.
We
ran
it
through
some
event,
type
situations
and
looked
at
ways
to
mitigate
and
we're
still
in
the
process
of
looking
at
ways
to
mitigate
sound
and
do
what
we
feel
is
going
to
going
to
have
less
impact
on
everyone
within
within
the
neighborhood
and
that's
our
goal
is
to
keep
estab
would
keep
working
towards
that.
E
There
is
a
thought
when
we
talk
about
things
is
a
thought
that
possibly
we
will
develop
some
type
of
a
pavilion
building
that
could
be
used,
multiple,
multiple
use,
it
could
be
a
pool,
establish
a
swimming
pool,
pool
pavilion
type
building
that
could
be
established.
That
way
since
we're
going
to
add
another.
E
So
we
and
intentions
is
it
to
add
another
pool
as
we
as
we
move
forward,
because
the
the
pools
right
now
that
we
have
I
have
two
as
Glen
said:
I
have
to
go
in
and
and
not
only
put
put
in
a
handicap
type
of
a
device,
but
I
also
have
to
remove
the
tanning
shelf
star
there
from
a
residential
standpoint
as
well
as
jacuzzis
that
are
attached
to
the
swimming
pool.
So
let's
have
to
be
removed
as
part
of
what
we're
doing
so.
E
The
sauce
will
be
separated
six
feet
away
from
the
swimming
pool,
with
a
four
foot
perimeter
around
them
walking
perimeter
around
them
to
comply,
so
the
thought
is.
We
may
build
a
pavilion
building
to
support
that
on
one
of
our
pools,
so
that
there
is,
there
is
a
thought
that
that
may
happen
whether
it
does
immediately
or
not.
That's
not
where
we're
headed
right
now,
but
there
are
thoughts.
There
are
things
that
we
are
considering
within
doing
that
right.
F
Thank
you
and
you
know
the
other
question.
You
you've
held
some
special
events
there
that
have
been
very
successful
at
the
property
and
it's
it
allows
more
people
to
actually
see
the
property,
but
the
shuttling
of
of
people
do
you.
Can
you
just
explain
a
little
how
that
works
for
your
property
I
can.
E
Let
McLean
talk
about
that,
probably
more
than
I
can
because
they
organize
that,
with
the
with
the
planners
of
the
events
when
we
work
with
the
city
of
Palm
Springs,
it's
typically
through
the
the
shuttle
that
they
that
they
have
the
buzz
we've
used
that
we've
used.
We've
used
some
other
special
buses
that
have
brought
people
in
for
events,
but
I
can
let
McLean
speak
to
that
more
okay.
D
M
Thank
You
Kelly
McLean
for
the
record
McLane
company,
as
Dave
mentioned,
we've
been
managing
the
property
for
almost
seven
years
now
and
really
proud
of
where
we've
come
from.
I
want
to
clarify
one
thing
before
I
talk
about
the
events.
Vacation
rentals,
as
you
know,
has
gone
through
a
complete
ordinance
change.
One
of
the
changes
has
to
do
with
clusters
and
compounds
so
call
me:
29
does
not
fit
in
the
current
vacation
rental
ordinance
and
cannot
continue
to
operate
as
a
vacation
rental.
M
So
because
of
that,
we've
had
to
work
with
the
city
Dave
us
to
try
to
figure
out
what
what
are
we
going
to
do?
We
can't
operate
as
a
vacation
rental,
so
we
have
to
go
through
this
some
change.
So
it's
not
predicated
on
the
fact
that
we're
trying
to
become
a
hotel
if
we
could
stay
as
a
vacation
rental,
we
would
probably
continue
operating
as
that,
but
we're
moving
to
the
hotel
because
we
cannot
be
a
vacation
rental
under
the
current
ordinance,
so
hope
that
makes
sense.
M
As
far
as
our
event,
restrictions
and
moving
to
this
new
zone
is
not
going
to
change
anything
from
how
we
operate
right
now
so
right
now
we
do
not
allow
on-site
parking
during
events.
We
do
require
shuttles,
whether
that's
working
with
the
hotels,
for
example,
Hilton
Hotel,
has
offered
free
shuttle.
So
when
we're
working
with
the
event
planners,
what
we
do
is
we
say
you
can
do
room
blocks
at
these
locations
and
we
have
free
shuttles.
We
also
we
do
require
uber
or
lyft
drop-off.
We
have
a
security
guard
in
the
front.
M
We
have
two
on-site
managers,
security
guard,
a
sound
manager
as
well
as
the
event
planner.
So
we
have
five
to
six
people
that
are
there
monitoring
sound
monitoring
the
security.
It's
a
pretty
tight
ship
right
now.
Usually
the
event
is
from
about
5:00
to
10:00
p.m.
we
shut
it
down
about
9:45
so
that
people
are
off
the
venue
by
10:00.
We've
made
numerous
changes
working
with
the
city
through
the
event
planning
process
to
change
certain
things.
For
example,
the
city
asked
that
we
change
the
loadout
time
from
Sunday
to
Monday.
We
made
that
accommodation.
M
The
city
also
requested
that
we
have
code
enforcement
there
during
every
single
event,
this
past
spring,
so
February
and
March
we've
had
code
enforcement
officers
there
from
2
p.m.
to
10
p.m.
monitoring
the
sound,
and
what
they
have
found
is
that
we
have
been
under
the
decibels,
which
is
about
45
decibels
right
now
and
probably
talking
at
90
decibels.
So
you
can
imagine
when
you
have
just
a
hundred
people
there,
it's
not
amusing,
it's
more
people
talking
and
congregating.
M
That
raises
the
decibels,
but
even
so
it's
the
landscaping
of
the
property
as
well
as
just
the
offset
of
how
large
it
is
that
we've
been
able
to
monitor
our
sound
and
be
under
the
decibels,
and
we
anticipate
that
with
this
zone
change,
it's
not
going
to
change
anything
for
us
in
terms
of
how
we
operate
for
sound.
We
also
added
a
sound
wall.
M
Dave
built
a
really
awesome,
sound
wall
that
bridges
the
barrier
right
by
the
multifamily
units,
which
has
decreased
our
decibels
by
seven
and
nine
decibels,
which
is
a
lot
so
we're
good
neighbors
were
good
partners.
We've
done
everything
the
city
has
asked
of
us
in
terms
of
operating
as
an
event
home,
but
changing
to
this
use
is
mainly
because
of
the
vacation
rental
ordinance.
So
what
we
anticipate
is
operating
as
the
event
is
going
to
be
the
same
as
what
we
have
always
been
doing
great.
F
J
L
F
I
I
live
at
606
West,
Uranus
Road,
which
is
the
middle
property
there,
and
I
represent
the
residents
at
six
seven
and
five
twenty
seven.
We
live
next
door
to
them
and
everything
that
you've
just
heard
is
I
cannot
politely,
say
what
it
is.
It's
not
true.
They
start
at
noon
and
run
to
10:30
on
Saturdays
with
set
ups
and
things
like
that.
They
used
to
unload
on
Sundays.
Now
they
load
on
Monday,
simply
because
we've
called
and
filed
numerous
noise
complaints,
McLane
company
McLane,
even
in
their
Yelp
reviews
on
this
property.
I
If
you
read
it,
are
completely
absentee
landlords.
They
have
not
adhered
to
any
of
that.
On
top
of
that,
the
event
permits
that
they
file
with
the
City
Planning
Office
on
a
daily
are
every
to
every
event
state
that
they're
not
to
have
outdoor
PA
systems,
because
that
is
part
of
the
code
enforcement
for
every
event
house
and
every
event
in
Palm
Springs.
Yet
they
continually
violate
it.
I
So
much
to
the
point
that
David
reading
and
the
former
city
attorney
issued
a
memo
to
the
noise
enforcement
officers
that
work
directly
for
you,
that
they
were
to
only
take
measurements
and
that
they
were
no
longer
to
write
or
site
colony
twenty-nine
for
the
noise
enforcement
issues,
then,
with
regards
to
any
of
the
other
impacts
with
regards
to
traffic
lyft,
uber
I
would
recommend
and
my
background
as
a
cultural
anthropologist
and
a
veteran
who
vows
I've
been
involved
in
planning
before
with
the
West
LA
VA.
You
can
look
me
up.
I
Palm
Springs
has
decimated
and
the
hotels
some
of
the
damage
Coachella.
Everything
at
that.
You
understand
that
when
people
come
to
a
place
like
this,
where
they
shell
out
a
lot
of
money,
they
expect
to
be
able
to
run
wild,
go
crazy
and
in
further
encroach
upon
the
peaceful
enjoyment
of
our
homes
of
those
who
live
next
to
us.
As
for
being
a
good
neighbor,
McLane
company
is
absentee.
They
are
not
a
good
neighbor
if
you
call
them
on
a
concierge
on
Sierra's
lines.
I
You
get
an
answering
service
prior
to
starting
to
file
comp
complaints
and
regular
complaints
to
the
noise.
Where
we
tried
a
lot
of
us
to
reach
them.
It's
nothing,
nothing
about
the
noise.
They're
noise
enforcement.
I,
don't
know
what
they're
doing,
but
it's
it's
not
happening.
You
listen
to
four
hours
of
bagpipe,
music.
F
Thank
you
very
much
for
participating
in
the
process.
I
appreciate
that
is
there
anyone
else
in
the
audience
that
would
like
to
speak
on
this
subject
matter
with
hearing
nothing
I
will
close
the
public
hearing
and
open
it
up
to
Commission
discussion.
Oh
excuse
me.
Thank
you
very
much.
My
advice
sure
reminded
me
that
the
applicant
has
a
rebuttal
of
two
minutes.
If
they'd
like
to
take
their
rebuttal
time.
M
Just
testing
Thank
You
Shan
for
your
comments.
We
do.
We
are
aware
that
Shan
is
a
neighbor
who
has
given
multiple
complaints
and
we've
worked
tirelessly
with
the
city
to
address
her
concerns.
Like
I've
mentioned
our
security,
the
parking,
the
sound
wall,
all
of
those
things
we
have
done
in
for
the
reason
of
reducing
the
noise
for
her
with
regards
to
the
parking
we
like
I,
said
the
uber
and
lyft
they
drive
into
they
drive
into
the
complex
and
they
turn
around.
There's
nothing.
M
There's
no
drop-offs
outside
of
Chania
29
I
just
want
to
make
it
very
clear
that
it
is
our
intention
working
with
the
johnstons,
as
well
as
our
company,
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
operate,
calling
29,
as
we
have
been
doing
for
the
last
seven
years,
we're
very
proud
of
our
track
record,
which
is
basically
zero.
Zero
citations
now
miss
Dorn
Hecker
has
been
calling
and
we
have
been
attempting
to
address
her
her
concerns
as
best
as
we
can.
This
is
not
a
property.
That's
going
to
be
a
24/7
party.
M
It's
never
been
that
we
have
always
been
very
cognizant
and
cautious
of
who
we
booked
there
I'm,
including
for
Coachella.
We
had
a
standard
standard
vacation
rental.
There
was
no
events,
no
parties
again.
This
is
a
special
property
for
us.
We
do
work
hard
with
the
city
to
to
follow
all
the
vacation
rental
rules,
which
vacate
being
a
vacation
rental,
is
much
more
difficult
than
being
a
hotel.
M
So
now
that
we
have
already
instituted
all
these
rules
with
check-ins
and
house
rules
and
concierge
check-ins,
we're
gonna
continue
that
and
continue
that
for
the
hotel,
which
I
believe
is
going
to
set
a
set
a
precedent
and
continue
to
have
it
operate
in
a
good
neighborly
fashion,
so
I
hope
that
answers
some
of
her
concerns.
Thank
you.
Thank.
F
You
I
would
like
to
ask
a
question
of
the
applicant
since
we're
still
open
with
the
public
hearing,
so
I
don't
see
any
conditions
in
here
that
says
the
and
I
could
be
missing,
that
the
sets
the
hours
for
loading
in
and
staging
and
loading
out
and
I
see
nothing
in
here
that
prohibits
outdoor
amplified
music,
and
it's
in
your
testimony.
You
said
you
had
followed
certain
guidelines
when
it
was
a
vacation
rental.
Are
you
willing
to
follow
those
same
guidelines
as
a
hotel?
F
E
F
G
I
guess:
there's
some
disagreement
between
the
property
owner
and
the
member
of
the
public
I'd
like
to
know
from
the
staff
when
something
when
a
property
is
a
vacation
rental.
Isn't
there
a
record?
Isn't
there
a
document
that
could
be
provided
that
would
go
into
detail
about
what
the
issues
have
been
if
any,
and
who
that
you
know
where
they
was
it
one
person
complaining.
Was
it
a
group,
I
mean
I.
You
know
it
sounds
to
me
like.
K
In
terms
of
the
applications
that
you
have
before
you
number
one
you're
considering
a
general
plan
amendment,
is
it
appropriate
in
terms
of
its
context
and
what
is
being
proposed
and
then?
Secondly,
the
conditional
use
permit
is
for
a
hotel
facility
with
kitchens
I.
Don't
want
to
suggest
that
the
noise
complaints
are
not
material
to
this
discussion.
Certainly,
the
hotel
use
is
something
where
we
need
to
take
that
into
consideration.
K
Going
to
your
point,
however,
in
terms
of
the
number
of
complaints-
yes,
there
is
a
log
both
under
vacation
rentals
and
we,
as
the
planning
staff,
do
keep
a
list
of
complaints
that
we
have
against
properties
that
operate
under
the
event
house
regulations
where
we
do
receive
complaints
under
the
event
house
ordinance.
We
try
and
make
adjustments
to
their
hours
of
operation
or
their
general
operating
procedures
so
that
we
can
address
those
concerns.
K
One
of
the
things
that
has
been
discussed
is
the
fact
that,
in
terms
of
the
breakdown
of
special
events,
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
is
we've
changed,
that
from
Sundays,
which
typically
are
fairly
quiet
days
here
in
town
to
much,
which
is
a
typical
workday.
We
found
that
for
a
number
of
the
event
houses
that
we
have
here
in
town,
that
a
Monday
loadout
is
preferable
for
those
who
live
adjacent
to
the
property.
G
F
G
K
Terms
of
our
vacation
rental
office,
we
have
a
number
of
individuals
who
are
assigned
to
compliance
duties,
and
so
they
do
go
out
where
we
have
special
events
or
vacation
rental
properties
to
monitor
and
make
sure
that
they
are
complying
with
the
regulations.
So,
yes,
we
do
have
staff
that
does
come
by
and
monitors
properties
on
a
regular
basis.
Well,.
F
M
It's
not
typical
that
code
enforcement
be
there.
This
is
a
unique
property
where
we've
had
a
complainer
call
incessantly,
and
because
of
that,
what
city
staff
has
suggested
was
that
we
would
have
code
enforcement
there
to
be
there
for
the
entire
event.
What
we
do
at
2:00
p.m.
is,
we
do
a
sound
test
with
our
sound
engineer,
a
DJ
and
the
code,
compliance
at
that
time.
They
come
back
during
the
event
from
5:00
to
10:00
and
they
stay
outside
of
the
gate.
M
F
E
Chair
woods
had
referenced,
or
we
were
talking
was
speaking
about
sound
and
sound
decibel.
We
we
in
in
implemented
a
device
that
records
sound
24
hours
a
day.
We
have
full
recordings
of
every
every
day.
Every
single
thing
that's
happening
from
the
time
pool
equipment
comes
on,
air-conditioned
equipment
comes
on
what
the
decibels
read,
we've
monitored,
we've
checked
it,
we've
walked
it
and
we
do
that
continually.
It's
on
a
continual
basis.
E
F
F
C
L
C
K
Are
a
number
of
multi-unit
these
that
have
been
operating
as
vacation
rentals
in
the
past
that,
under
the
new
ordinance,
can't
continue
to
operate
that
way,
I've
had
meetings
with
about
three
or
four
of
those
individuals
and
we've
been
asked
to
work
with
the
office
of
special
programs,
which
is
the
vacation
rental
office
to
help
resolve
some
of
those
situations.
So,
as
mr.
melaka
is
indicated,
you'll
see
a
couple
of
these
coming
up
for
conditional
use
permits
to
be
hotels
here
in
the
near
future.
So.
C
C
K
There
were
a
number
of
conditions
related
to
sound
for
that
particular
property,
but
the
requirement
relative
to
sound,
not
traveling
past
the
property
line
is
based
on
our
noise
ordinance
that
we
establish
a
certain
decibel
level
at
the
property
line
that
they
are
not
to
exceed,
and
so
that's
one
of
the
things
that
you've
been
hearing
here
today,
but
again
at
infusion
Beach.
That
was
one
of
the
conditions
that
we
referenced
was
the
basic
requirement
that
noise
not
exceed
a
certain
level
at
the
property
line.
So.
C
C
C
F
J
C
Actually,
my
bit
conflicted
listening
to
the
member
of
the
public
speak
about
some
of
the
issues
she's
encountered,
and
this
is
just
a
comment.
It's
not
meant
to
discount
those
because
I'm
certainly
cognizant
of
what
you're
saying
but
she's
the
only
member
of
the
public
here
to
represent
that
point
of
view
and
excuse
me
I'm
talking
and
they
could
email
they
could
visit
Glen.
It
is
their
excuse
me
I'm
talking!
Thank
you.
So
it's
not
meant
to
discount
it,
but
I
just
have
to
weigh
that.
C
Sometimes,
when
we've
we've
dealt
with
perceived
annoyances,
there's
there's
there's
many
people
that
show
up
or
there's
many
emails
in
a
packet
that
we're
looking
at
and
and
I'm
just
not
seeing
that
level
of
concern
and
and
the
fact
that
it's
operating
now
I'm
a
bit
conflicted
about
it,
but
the
fact
that
it's
operating
now
and
will
continue
to
operate
substantially.
The
same
I
mean
maybe
there's
a
couple
of
more
stringent
conditions
we
can
put
on
the
CEP,
but
but
yeah.
That's
that's
how
I
feel
about
Commissioner.
C
G
L
If
you
look
in
your
packet,
there
is
a
condition
under
the
planning
planning
missions
that
states
from
7:00
in
the
morning,
I
think
until
6:00,
it's
a
certain
level,
and
then
it
goes
down
from
6:00
to
10:00
and
then
goes
way
down
between
10:00
and
the
following
morning
that
hasn't
changed.
That
is
consistent
with
the
code
chapter
11
of
the
Municipal
Code
as.
F
F
C
F
F
C
F
F
F
F
C
H
Have
a
question,
then:
what
when
we
found,
there's
a
outside
amplification?
What's
bothered
people
the
most
and
I
sort
of
think
back
to
chairman
Kathy
Warwick
on
this?
There
is
a
base
element
to
the
noise
and
some
speakers
you
may
have
caught
I'm,
not
a
technician,
but
maybe
it's
the
woofer
is
that
correct,
subwoofer,
a
subwoofer
that
really
is
disturbing
to
people.
H
It's
not
so
much
the
sound
itself,
but
but
it's
sort
of
a
shaking
thing
that
has
felt
fairly
far
from
the
actual
source
of
the
music
and
what
we've
done
in
a
lot
of
cases
is
specify
in
the
conditions
that
those
subwoofers
not
be
allowed
as
part
of
the
amplification
outside,
and
that's
obviously
made
a
difference.
I
think
in
the
past.
J
Chime
in,
but
in
the
planning
department
conditions,
there's
a
noise
level
limit
according
to
the
time
that
Glenn
has
also
mentioned.
So
in
most
events,
if
it
happens
to
be
between
6
p.m.
to
10
p.m.
that's,
45
decibels,
the
subwoofer,
which
is
like
almost
a
heartbeat
there's
like
great
thumping,
sound,
it's
nearly
impossible
to
achieve
that
with
a
45
decibel
limitation.
J
J
J
H
Have
dealt
with
this
and
we've
had
experts.
Talk
to
us
about
this
and
infusion
was
a
perfect
example.
We
really
worked
on
that
for
quite
a
while,
and
we
were
willing
to
allow
outside
amplified
music
so
long
as
the
subwoofers
were
taken
out
of
the
out
of
the
mix
and
that
there
was
a
self-regulating
mechanism
on
the
speakers
that
wouldn't
allow
the
speakers
to
go
above.
The
45
decibel
limit
that
that
is
technologically
possible
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
a
terrible
expense.
I'm.
C
C
And
I
don't
think
Maria
was
here
and
maybe
Peter
was
here.
You
were
here
and
it's
like.
We
already
solved
it
once
and
I'm
thinking.
Maybe
like
we're
reinventing
the
wheel
here.
Can
we
ask
staff
to
come
back
with
those
requirements
that
we
imposed
on
a
fusion
beach
and
then
impose
it
on
this
development?
This
is
actually
a
more
sensitive
area,
because
the
neighbors
are
residential
is
much
much
closer,
obviously,
but
I
think
as
a
minimum,
if
it
deserved
to
be
is
in
fusion
beach,
where
the
neighbors
are
much
further
away.
F
F
K
Would
prefer
to
be
able
to
have
a
defined
list
of
conditions
in
front
of
you
that
the
applicant
has
also
had
an
opportunity
to
review,
and
so
what
I
might
request
if
the
applicant
doesn't
mind
to
come
back
in
two
weeks,
with
a
revised
set
of
conditions
that
reflect
those
same
conditions
that
we
applied
to
infusion
Beach?
Okay,.
K
F
F
C
At
I,
just
wonder,
stand
what
we
approved
an
infusion,
built
and
and
and
if
applicable,
apply
those
standards
to
this
project
as
a
minimum.
As
I
stated,
this
is
a
much
more
constricted
site
in
terms
of
adjacency,
so
we
might
want
to
go
above
and
beyond
that,
but
at
least
as
a
minimum
I
think
we
should
look
at
the
fusion
beach
conditions
that
we
instituted
there.
Yeah.
F
I
think
if
the
testimony
I
heard
was
correct,
they've
already
instituted
some
of
that
they
put
up
some
sound
walls.
They
have
decimal
breeders,
which
is
some
of
the
stuff
we
did
with
infusion
Beach
and
if
that's
the
case,
we
can
just
add
them
as
conditions
since
it's
an
operating
standard
already
and
it
would
allow
them
to
have
their
outdoor
music,
so
I
would
be
in
favor
of
it
as
well.
So
if
there
can
I
get
a
motion
to
continue
it
to
May,
8th
2009
so
moved
second.
F
F
Okay,
the
motion
passes
it's
continued
and
we'll
see
you
on
May
8th
at
that
point,
and
the
staff
will
be
in
contact
with
you
on
those
conditions
so
that
you
can
review
them
before
the
meeting.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
public
participation.
It's
most
appreciated
on
both
sides.
Thank
you
very
much.
Can
we
tell
Commissioner
Gardner
to
come
back
in
and
as
we
do,
that,
do
we
need
a
break
or
are
we
okay,
we're
almost
at
the
end
of
the
agenda?
Okay,
yeah,
all
right,
we'll
just
wait
for
Commissioner
Gardner
come
back
in.
F
K
On
the
general
plan,
we
have
worked
with
the
office
of
purchasing
and
contracts.
They
do
have
our
statement
of
qualifications
out
and
published.
We
have
sent
that
out
to
I,
believe
16
firms
and
have
had
two
additional
firms
request
a
copy
of
the
statement
of
qualifications.
The
time
period
to
respond
I
believe
ends
on
May
the
22nd,
and
so
we
are
moving
forward
in
the
process.
Now.
K
F
B
Managed
to
turn
it
on
just
one
comment:
the
we're
very
much
into
the
budget
process
and
in
the
past
I
know
the
Planning
Commission
it
has
weighed
in
in
terms
of
needs
that
you
felt
existed
frequently.
Those
went
to
things
such
as
providing
the
funding
for
the
general
plan,
update
that
that
we
now
do
have
the
funding
for,
but
if
there's
anything
that
you
see
as
commissioners
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of
in
the
budget
process,
this
very
much
is
it's
time
to
get
that
into
us
right.
F
B
H
Least,
I've
got
a
question:
I
think
that
the
City
Council
extended
the
moratorium
on
golf
course
development
for
another
three
months,
and
my
question
is:
where
do
you
think
we'll
end
up
with
that?
Because
we
of
course
had
drafted
something
for
your
consideration
but
I
wonder
what?
Where
all
that
stood.
B
That's
that's
quite
a
debate
that
that
we
have
there
and
I
don't
want
to
guess
where
any
other
member
of
City
Council
is
going
to
ultimately
come
down
on
I
think
there
was
some
concerns
raised
or
I
shouldn't,
say,
I
think
I
know
there
were
concerns
raised
by
at
least
two
members
of
council
regarding
the
number
of
golf
courses
that
are
on
a
lot
t
land
and
the
the
law
as
it
relates
to
a
lot
t
land
is
such
that
we
can
pass
ordinances.
We
can
make
restrictions,
but
certainly
the
tribe
could
override
those
restrictions.
B
K
B
H
D
K
K
Chair
I
forgot,
there
was
one
of
additional
item
if
I
can
just
turn
it
over
to
mr.
Malachor.
For
a
second
on
the
subcommittee
as
you'll
recall
that
we
appointed
a
Planning
Commission
subcommittee
to
discuss
submittal
requirements,
and
mr.
Malachor
would
just
like
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
potential
dates
and
times.
That's.