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A
F
A
G
A
A
Just
all
in
favor,
say:
aye
aye,
any
opposed
all
right,
all
right,
we'll
move
on
with
the
agenda
and
the
first
item
of
business
Oh,
Chris
Paul.
Is
there
anyone
in
the
audience
that
has
anything
to
say
on
any
item
that
is
on
the
agenda
or
of
general
interest
to
the
Planning
Commission?
They
would
like
to
speak
on
hearing
none
we'll
move
on
to
the
consent
calendar.
The
first
item
is
the
approval
of
the
minutes
for
January
9th
2019.
A
Can
you
photo
your
upstanding?
Can
you
just
a
hit
abstain?
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
The
minutes
are
approved.
We're
gonna,
move
on
to
public
hearing
items.
The
first
one
is
the
sons
of
Italy
on
behalf
of
Dali
Sinatra
lodge
number
two
four:
zero:
zero
to
reestablish
a
conditional
use
permit
to
operate
a
meeting
hall
within
the
existing
building
located
at
1700,
North
Sierra
Road
zone
P
section
one,
and
we
have
a
staff
report.
Please
chair.
H
H
The
business
is
a
philanthropic
charitable
organization
and
the
city
permits
these
organizations
anywhere
in
the
city,
with
the
approval
of
a
conditional
use
permit
granted
by
the
Planning
Commission
actually,
and
also
may
be
the
City
Council.
So
what
you
have
before
you
today
is
a
recommendation
for
approval
for
the
Cu
P
to
the
City
Council
in
the
section
90
402
of
the
zoning
code
is
where
conditional
use
permits
may
be
located
in
lists.
Excuse
me
lists
permitted
uses
that
may
be
located
anywhere
in
the
city,
if
approved
by
the
City
Council.
H
H
So,
as
I
said,
this
is
a
to
reestablish
the
permanent
that
was
previously
granted.
The
CEP
was
approved
back
in
January
of
96
by
the
City
Council
after
receiving
a
recommendation
from
the
Planning
Commission.
The
CEP
was
limited
to
a
15
year
term
and
that
term
started
in
July
of
97
when
the
certificate
of
occupancy
was
issued
for
the
business
and
in
the
business.
H
So
what
you
have
on
the
screen
here
is
the
existing
floor
plan,
which
just
shows
the
meeting
space
so
now
for
dining
space,
where
they
have
their
meetings,
the
kitchen
space
kind
of
the
entry
areas,
and
then
this
is
the
plan
that
was
presented
for
the
outdoor
park
or
the
adjacent
parking
lot.
Next
to
the
building
to
the
east
of
the
building.
H
So
staff
has
reviewed
the
findings
required
for
conditional
use,
permit
and
proposed.
Findings
in
support
of
the
project.
Staff
has
also
provided
conditions
of
approval
as
an
attachment
to
your
report.
So
on
that
concludes
my
presentation
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have
the
applicant
is
here,
and
this
is
a
public
hearing.
Thank
you.
Thank.
E
H
E
H
E
C
H
C
F
H
So
the
business
is
operated
for
over
20
years
now
without
the
parking
lot,
and
it
doesn't
seem
that
we've
been
getting
any
complaints
from
the
adjacent
properties.
It's
it
seems
that
the
on
street
parking
areas
are
adequate,
at
least
in
terms
of
their
current
operations.
So
staff
has
not
specified
that
it
has
to
be
done
within
90
days
or
a
year
or
anything
like
that.
No.
H
There's
some,
as
you
see
in
the
aerial
there's
some
vacant
lots
around
the
property.
So,
on
page
two
of
your
report
there
really
isn't
a
whole
lot.
It
can
tell
you
get
further
north
of
the
site.
The
business
or
I
should
say.
The
organization
does
own
the
property
to
the
north,
the
vacant
lot
and
they
own
the
property
to
the
east.
H
Where
the
parking
lot
is
proposed
so
and
I
you
know,
maybe
the
Afghan
can
speak
to
how
much
parking
is
used
on
the
street
or
if
they
have
groups
that
come
in
in
one
car,
then
maybe
they
can
give
us
some
additional
information
on
that.
But
it
doesn't
seem
that
the
neighbors
have
been
complaining
about
the
current
operation
and.
C
C
A
B
Gave
it
I
think
he's
more
of
a
teaching
moment
for
me
in
the
category
for
building
department
conditions
for
the
conditions
of
approval.
It
seems
to
me
that
this
is
more
of
a
engineering
site
grading
and
this
could
go
to
Rick
as
well.
Is
the
category
of
building
department
condition
for
construction
permits?
Does
that
include
the
grading
permit
or
any
stormwater
requirements
that
would
trigger
because
of
the
improvements
here
on
the
site.
H
B
A
A
There
any
more
questions
of
staff.
Hearing
none
I'll
open
the
public
hearing
I
see
the
applicant
is
present.
You'll
have
ten
minutes
to
come
up
and
talk
about
your
project
and
then
two
minutes
for
rebuttal
afterwards,
if
you'd
state
your
name
and
your
city
of
residence,
for
the
record
please
hold
on.
Let
me
turn
that
on
give
me
one.
Second.
A
I
There's
hello:
there
you
go
red
light.
Thank
you.
My
name
is
Joseph
Lepore
I'm,
president
of
the
Dahle
Sinatra
Lodge
Sons
of
Italy,
were
the
only
ones
who
used
the
Sinatra
name,
so
it's
a
plus
for
the
city
of
Palm.
Springs,
we've
been
there
for,
like
you
say,
20
years,
our
organization,
the
Sons
of
Italy,
is
found
in
1906.
I
It's
the
oldest
ethnic
organization
in
the
United
States
they're
in
30
different
states,
there's
probably
around
350,000
members,
including
Al
Pacino,
Robert,
De
Niro
and
some
other
people
that
you
probably
heard
of
we've
been
here
and
we're
nonprofit
organization
501c3.
At
Christmas
time.
We
do
have
a
try
for
Barbara
Sinatra's
children
carbonation
in
the
summertime.
We
give.
We
have
a
convention
up
near
San
Francisco
up
there,
that's
where
the
Grand
Lodge
is
for
California.
I
We
give
money
to
Cancer,
Foundation
and
Alzheimer's,
and
this
and
that
so
nobody
gets
paid,
not
me
doing
on
the
goodness
hard
to
keep
our
culture
going.
It's
a
strong
culture
and
a
good
culture.
Okay,
so
we're
just
looking
and
the
only
bad
thing
is
we're
on
a
decline.
It's
like
all
social
clubs,
the
VFW's,
the
Moses,
the
rotaries.
The
younger
generation
is
harder
and
harder
and
harder
to
to
get
them
in
and
stuff
like
that.
I
A
J
F
A
C
Just
wanted
to
get
back
to
my
parking
issue,
it
sounds
like
III
appreciate
your
problem
with
respect
to
a
declining
membership
with
this
kind
of
organization.
I
know
it's
not
just
you,
but
it's
throughout
the
country.
Younger
people
just
don't
have
these
kinds
of
commitments.
So
it
sounds
to
me
as
though
that
the
number
of
people
that
you
typically
are
going
to
have
at
the
hall
will
be
fully
covered
by
parking
either
on
your
existing
on-site
property
or
in
what
is
not
really
a
neighborhood.
C
I
I
I
Been
such
a
long
time,
you
know:
we've
been
a
business
of
17
years
every
two
years.
We
change
over
our
presidency,
things
so
I'm,
not
exactly
sure
of
the
the
coachmen,
but
we
owned
the
property.
So
if
it
went
over
two
or
three
feet
or
whatever,
like
that,
it's
it's
our
property.
That's
it's
not
theirs
like
it's
just
a
sidewalk
over
there
or
something
like
that.
Okay,.
I
I
A
I
have
a
question
of
staff
at
this
point.
Just
this
is
just
a
clarification,
question
and
I
know
the
answer,
but
nonetheless,
to
put
it
in
the
public
record,
the
CEP
runs
with
the
land.
So
no
matter
who
owns
this
property,
we're
looking
at
this
as
a
CEP
that
runs
with
the
land.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct.
H
A
A
A
Is
there
a
second
and
I
make
an
amendment
to
that
motion
sure
so
I'm
having
a
finding
number
C
talks
about
the
landscaping
and
I
can't
say
with
complete
assurance
that
the
landscaping
meets
the
guidelines
from
the
city
at
this
point,
so
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
add
a
condition
of
approval
that
says
that
the
staff
will
review
the
landscape
plans
for
the
particular
project.
I
have.
A
A
A
Okay,
we're
gonna
move
on
to
a
public
hearing
number
two
B,
which
is
by
Michael
Hoffman,
who
is
the
owner
of
the
shell
service
station,
requesting
approval
of
a
signed
variance
for
the
illumination
of
a
red
band
on
all
sides
of
an
existing
fuel
island
canopy
exceeding
the
allowable
sign
area
for
an
automobile
service
station
located
at
48
75
East,
Ramon
Road,
it's
in
Zone
M
one.
We
have
a
staff
report,
please
Thank.
K
You
chair,
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
direct
you
to
the
slide.
That's
before
you.
Currently,
this
is
an
aerial
photograph
showing
the
shell
service
station
at
the
corner
of
East,
Ramon,
Road
and
south
gene
autry
trail,
as
you
can
see
there
is
the
site,
is
fully
developed
with
the
airport
that
is
to
the
north
and
then
the
spring
shopping
center,
which
is
diagonal,
and
then
the
gene
autry
Plaza,
which
is
to
the
east
or
to
the
right
of
the
slide
and
then
a
vacant
lot
to
the
south.
K
So
in
looking
at
this
slide,
this
shows
the
current
red
band.
That
is
there
now
and
the
canopy
itself
is
large.
The
sign
code
only
allows
a
maximum
signage
of
50
square
feet
and
we've
determined
that
the
band
is
a
sign.
So
the
only
remedy
to
require
or
request
the
sign
band
is
to
ask
for
a
sign
variance,
which
is
approved
by
the
Planning
Commission.
K
So
if
we
go
back
to
this
slide,
the
building
was
first
built
in
1993
and
the
the
main
building,
which
is
a
car
wash
and
a
convenience
store,
is
located
at
the
corner,
so
it
enters
the
corner
with
fuel
islands
placed
at
the
rear
of
the
site.
This
is
a
little
unusual
you'll
notice
that
most
service
stations
in
the
city
that's
reversed,
where
the
building
is
to
the
back
and
the
fuel
islands
are
two
of
the
front
which
provides
the
most
visibility.
So
people
can
see
the
gases
present.
K
K
K
So
in
your
packet
there
is
the
request
to
add
the
sign
band
around
the
canopy.
So
in
this
slide,
you'll
see
that
it's
red
at
the
bottom,
with
a
yellow
band,
metal
flashing
and
then
the
shell
logo,
before
you
today,
was
an
exhibit
that
was
handed
out
which
shows
a
detail
of
the
the
red
bar
that
will
be
placed
around
the
canopy.
It
shows
the
yellow
metal
banding
and
then
the
red
LED
light
that
will
encircle
the
canopy.
K
This
slide
shows
what
it
looks
like
currently
at
night
and
then
what
it
will
look
like
so
currently
the
light
splashes,
the
canopy
with
which
illuminates
the
red
and
the
yellow
in
the
proposal.
It
will
just
be
the
red
that
will
be
illuminated
and,
as
I
said,
this
is
another
sign
that
that
that's
been
approved
by
the
planning
office
to
change
out
the
monument
sign
and
I
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
idea
of
what
other
signage
is
is
requested.
K
So
before
you
today
is
a
request,
that
would
be
a
sign
variance
request
by
the
Planning
Commission
to
determine
that
to
allow
this
red
banding
to
be
approved,
and
once
again,
this
is
only
for
this
site.
It
would
not
be
permitted
in
other
locations
around
the
city
if
any
other
canopy
would
come
in,
they
would
need
to
come
back
and
ask
for
approval
from
the
Planning
Commission.
So
in
your
staff
report
there
were
findings
that
need
to
be
made
to
approve
a
sign
variance.
K
A
G
C
C
K
E
E
K
E
E
K
The
Porsche
design
was,
as
you
know,
was
a
major
architecture
application
and
it
was
part
of
the
integral
portion
of
the
design
of
the
building
yeah.
And
if
you
remember,
the
Planning
Commission
had
put
some
conditions
on
that
lighting
that
it
would
only
be
on
until
a
certain
hour
and
it
would
be
dimmable
if
it's
deemed
obtrusive
right.
E
G
Me
go
ahead
and
jump
in
here.
I
would
say
yes,
I
would
agree
with
that,
where
it's
integrated
with
the
architecture
of
the
building
and
it's
not
intended
to
either
mirror
the
logo
or
any
type
of
advertising
for
the
company.
Then
we
would
consider
that
separately
again
with
the
Porsche.
Their
signage
came
in
as
a
separate
application,
separate
apart
from
the
red
illumination
that
they
have
as
part
of
the
building,
and
it's
not
part
of
their
standard
sign
package.
If
you
will,
it
was
separate
and
distinct
from
that.
G
E
Seems
to
me
it's
not
what
they
call
it,
it's
what
we
call
it,
whether
it's
a
part
of
their
sign
package
or
not,
and
I,
think
that
the
fact
that
it's
more
integrated
into
the
building
would
be
more
of
a
justification
taking
it
out
of
the
signed
classification
rather
than
saying
they
didn't
apply
for
a
signage
permit,
for
it
correct
that
that'd
be
my
opinion.
Yeah.
G
And
also
in
terms
of
the
new
sign
ordinance
that
was
adopted
in
2017,
it
also
includes
lighting
as
part
of
your
signage.
If
it's
part
of
the
overall
branding
package
of
the
okay,
sorry
say
that
again,
the
new
sign
ordinance
that
was
adopted
in
2017
includes
language.
That
lighting
is
also
considered
to
be
signage
when
it's
part
of
your
standard
branding
pack
standard.
G
E
Okay,
I've
got
a
couple
more
questions.
You
say
that
this
would
not
lead
to
a
precedent,
and
yet,
under
the
findings
number
one,
you
say
that
we
should
grant
this
application
because
others
have
been
granted
similar
design
variances.
So
you
know
it's
either
a
precedent
or
it's
not,
and
if
it's
not,
then
it
shouldn't
be
listed
as
part
of
the
findings.
E
Number
one
on
page,
seven
and
nine:
the
code,
strict
application
of
the
code,
would
deprive
subject
property
of
privilege
enjoyed
by
other
properties
in
the
vicinity
and
under
identical
zone
classification.
Well
to
me
that
sighting
precedent
as
a
reason
to
approve-
and
if
we're
not
saying
this
is
a
precedent,
then
we
should
take
that
out
of
the
findings
right.
F
Mister
chair
members
of
the
Commission:
this
is
the
actual
legal
standard
that
you
have
to
meet
for
finding
number
one
here
and
when
they
refer
to
other
properties
its,
if
I'm
applying
for
a
variance
my
property
because
of
topography,
geography,
unique
circumstances
to
my
property
puts
me
at
a
relative
disadvantage
to
similar
properties
in
the
area,
and
the
applicant
here
is
claiming
because
of
the
topography,
the
location
stuff.
They
need
basically
like
a
signage
boost
in
a
way
to
get
equivalent
status.
F
What
other
gas
stations
do
that
have
maybe
a
more
level
sight
different
layout
things
like
that.
So
this
is
not
a
reference
to
it's
doing
what
everybody
else
is
doing.
It's
my
property
relative
to
others.
Similarly,
situated
is
that
a
disadvantage
in
the
variance
is
necessary,
so
I
could
enjoy
the
same
legal
and
development
rights
as
similarly
situated
properties,
but
each
case
is
taken
on
its
particular
facts.
So.
E
K
E
That's
a
lot
of
signage,
so
that's
the
building
I
know
the
building
does
that.
But
what
about
the
you
said,
the
width
of
the
road
somehow
mitigated
for
approval
of
the
variance
I
was
wondering
what
the
wit
in
your
mind.
Can
you
take
me
through
that
analysis?
How
the
width
of
the
road
would
allow
the
should
allow
for
the
variance
for.
K
Ik,
so
when
the
building
was
first
built,
it
would
have
been
set
back
from
the
property
lines
and
the
roads
would
have
been
farther
out
and
over
the
years
as
the
state
highway
was
widened,
it
brought
more
lanes
more
traffic,
more
cars
that
could
block
the
visibility
and
push
the
site
for
there
away
from
the
corner.
So.
E
K
When
you
are
coming
north
on
gene
autry
trail
farther
up
towards
well
farther
down
towards
sunny
dunes.
So
when
you
go
past
a
desert,
Water
Agency
you're
at
a
high
point
in
the
road
and
as
you
go
down
towards
Ramon
Road,
they
claim
that
it
is
because
the
paga
topography
the
building,
sits
lower
than
the
street.
At
that
point,
that
is
harder
to
determined
that
if
I'm
going
to
stop
at
this
gas
station,
I
need
to
well,
you
can't
make
a
left
turn
into
it
because
of
the
medians.
E
D
K
Would
when
you
change
out
any
aging
sign
with
a
newer
sign,
I
would
say
there
would
be
a
brighter
I,
don't
have
an
illuminations
level
for
it,
but
I
think
just
by
changing
it
out,
it
would
be,
and
the
applicant
may
be
explained
the
type
of
lighting
in
their
detail.
It
calls
it
LED,
I,
don't
know
what
the
type
of
lighting
is
now
I
assume
it's
some
kind
of
light
backing
system.
A
Any
other
questions
for
the
Commissioner
go
and
I
have
one
for
you.
You
know
we
talked
about
the
what
you
you
mentioned
in
the
public
record
that
the
Porsche
dealership
we
put
a
dimming
on
it
because
we
weren't
sure
how
bright
it
was
going
to
be.
Do
you
know
if
this
is
going
to
have
dimming
capability
or
or
not
that.
J
You
commissioners,
including
the
new
commissioners,
thank
you
for
serving
and
all
of
you,
Marvin
ruse,
retired
planner
and
Michael.
Hoffman
and
I
have
been
friends
for
a
long
time
and
he
asked
if
I
could
help.
I
was
actually
on
staff.
When
this
swing
station
was
originally
approved,
had
a
typical
design
building
in
the
back.
They
excuse
me
the
the
islands
out
front
and
not
a
particularly
wonderful
design.
He
then
hired
Frankie
rudia,
and
this
is
really
one
of
the
finest
gas
station
designs,
I
believe
in
the
city.
J
Still
so
many
have
been
lost,
and
but,
if
you
look
at
it,
the
essentially
everything
that's
there
was
there
in
1993,
designed
by
Frankie
rudia.
It's
just
changed
over
the
years
and
I
think
the
last
major
changes
in
2007
and
the
you
know.
Certainly
in
the
past,
this
kind
of
lighting
and
fascia
elements
were
were
considered.
Signage
in
the
past,
weren't
considered
it
in
2007
when
Craig
Ewing
approved
what
basically,
what
you
see
now.
J
However,
we
do
have
the
grounds
for
a
variance
which
is
unusual
between
the
topography
and
the
the
it
was
really
a
Street
configuration
that
that
we
identified
and
the
addition
of
the
median
islands
in
particular,
if
you're,
if
you're
westbound,
you
can't
see
this
thing
until
you
get
to
the
intersection.
If
you're
southbound,
you
can't
see
it
because
of
the
airport
and
at
night
you
get
this
friendly
glow
and
you,
those
of
us
I,
mean
gas
stations,
are
kind
of
unique
in.
J
That
is
that
a
lot
of
us
go
to
one
type
of
station,
so
you're
looking
for
you
know,
I,
look
for
Chevron
colors,
sometimes
shell
colors,
but
the
signage
itself
is
so
small
that
you
really
you
know
the
old
guys.
Like
me,
you
know
you
can't
see
that
shell-
and
you
know
you
just
know
it's
a
show,
so
the
the
change
really
will
keep
the
station
much
as
it
is
now
and
has
been
and
is
consistent
with
the
original
Urrutia
design.
It's
just
different
materials
that
come
up
over
time.
J
Station
is
24/7,
the
the
pumps
are,
there's
a
little
convenience
store
in
there,
and
that's
that
that's
not
open,
but
you
know
over
over
years
over
the
years
it's
become
less
and
less
visible
and
we
could
apply
for
variants
to
go
to
a
high
pylon
sign
or
something,
but
we
we
chose
not
to
do
that.
We
just
think
that
the
that
the
standard
branding
configuration
is
is
tasty,
fits
the
station
and
will
allow
the
the
station
to
remain.
You
know
viable
for
the
further
period
of
time.
J
I
don't
have
any
specifics
on
the
dim
ability
of
the
sign.
We're
certainly
acceptable.
That
would
be
an
acceptable
condition
to
us.
If
we
can
look
at
the
look
at
it
with
staff,
but
you
really
have
to
go.
Look
at
it
and
I
I
mean
it's
just
you
know,
you
know
what
it
is,
because
we
know
what
it
is,
but
it's
not
because
you
can
read
the
shell
typically
because
and
and
the
other
thing
with
the
lighting
is,
it
gives
you
a
little
earlier
of
recognition
as
a
motorist.
J
Oh
I
need
to
get
over
to
the
right
lane.
I
need
to
make
a
left
turn
whatever
it
is,
and
if
you're
waiting
you
know
just
you
know,
if
you
didn't
have
that
that
band
of
of
color
the
signage
with
the
signage
would
really
have
to
be
made
much
bolder
and
bigger,
and
we
we
you
know,
didn't
want
to
do
that,
particularly
so.
We
appreciate
the
kiman
Dacian
for
approval
again,
the
the
the
the
inclusion
of
building
lighting
as
part
of
the
signage
is
relatively
new.
That
in
the
past
was
not.
J
J
It
was
just
considered
architecture,
and
you
know,
I
put
this
station
up
with
any
particular
for
night
views,
I
think
it's
very
tasty
and
it
was
a
staff
that
recommended
that
he
flipped
the
station
to
the
back
so
fill
a
little
responsibility
for
that.
But
I
think
it's
made
for
a
really
nice-looking
gas
station
and
it
served
well
over
the
years.
Any
questions
I'd
be
glad
to
answer
Thank.
A
L
A
B
B
So,
if
I
look
at
your
light
detail,
starting
with
the
detail
on
the
right
side,
that's
the
sort
of
the
white
panel
background
panel
that
you're
proposing
for
the
entire
fascia
correct,
right,
okay
and
then
the
second
one
on
the
left
side.
That's
where
you
have
this
Desha
p--,
yellow
four
and
then
the
LED
is
inside
of
this
lens
red
illuminated
and
that
lens
is
what
glows.
Okay.
So
if
I
look
at
your
page
4
of
6,
what
is
this
typical
shell
sight
as
a
photograph
that.
B
That
one
there
that
one
yeah
okay,
see
the
detail
where
it
says
typical:
shell
light.
Okay,
that's
a
photograph
of
your
detail,
correct,
yes,
okay!
So
what
was
different
about
this?
This
photograph
is
that
the
led
seems
to
light
back
to
the
fascia,
but
maybe
it's
just
the
quality
of
the
photo
you're
saying
that
the
red
light
actually
glows.
B
L
A
L
B
B
I'll,
go
in
the
record
to
say
that
I
was
at
AC
to
review
this
package
for
you
and
I
would
go
on
record
to
say
that
if
the
package
was
this
pocket,
you
might
have
gone
differently.
Yeah
I
think
this
is
much
more
informative
on
what
is
proposed
and
why
the
Aquarius
was
asked
and
I
understand
now
in
comprehensive
way.
Why
why
the
request
is
being
made
and
Commissioner?
My
mic
is
absolutely
right:
it
doesn't
really
do
anything.
It
doesn't
push
the
Shell
station
all
the
way
to
the
front.
L
D
A
D
So
I
drove
by
today
at
4:30
in
the
morning
and
and
I
go
by
this
intersection.
A
lot
and
I
I
do
think
that
right
now
that
is
very
dim
and
and
that
area
in
general
is
really
dark
at
night.
So
to
me,
if
this
is
has
better
illumination
would
be
a
real
big
plus
for
that
area.
I
know
I
almost
gotten
in
car
accident
just
recently
in
that
area,
because
it's
so
dark,
so
anything
to
brighten
it
up
is
good.
C
Go
by
here,
I
think
all
of
us
do.
This
is
a
very
heavily
traveled
intersection
and
I.
Think
one
thing
to
be
said
for
widening.
That
means
B.
It's
just
become
a
much
more
confusing
intersection
and
given
the
topography
on
which
this
is
placed,
it
is
very
difficult
to
figure
out
even
how
to
get
into
it,
and
so
I
can
understand
why
a
variance
would
be
important
and
I
think.
Finally,
what
it
does
is.
It
just
brings
the
signage
up
to
a
more
current
state,
an
LED
light.
A
Comments
I
just
want
to
mention
that
I
would
echo
your
comments.
Commissioner
Donna
build
exactly.
We
also
do
not
want
light
spill
onto
the
adjacent
areas,
which
is
part
of
our
zoning
code,
so
I
would
just
think
that
we'd
want
it
to
be
dimmable
just
in
case
there
is
a
problem
with
it
in
any
way
like
what
we
saw
with
the
Porsche
dealership.
So
with
that
do
I
hear
emotion,.
A
We're
going
to
move
on
to
new
business
item
number
for
a
on
the
agenda.
This
is
the
city
of
Palm
Springs
for
an
initiation
of
exchange
of
zone
at
four
locations.
The
first
one
is
a
city-owned
property
zone.
See
you
at
one:
nine
is
zero
West
to
sunny
dune
roads.
The
second
one
is
also
a
city-owned
property
zoned
Cu,
located
at
the
southwest
of
the
intersection
of
North,
Indian
Canyon
and
Stevens
Road.
A
H
H
So,
as
you've
stated,
there
are
three
properties,
actually,
four
properties
in
total
or
four
areas,
I
should
say,
and
the
first
three
are
civic
use,
zoned
properties,
two
of
which
are
owned
by
the
city
and
one
has
been
was
previously
owned
by
the
city
but
has
been
sold,
and
the
fourth
is
a
professionally
zoned
proper
near
the
other
item.
We
had
on
the
agenda
today
off
of
this
achene,
oh
and
Cerritos,
so
I'll
go
into
each
of
these
in
a
little
bit
more
detail,
the
first
location
is
190
west,
sunny
dunes
Road.
H
It
is
currently
zoned
Civic
use
and
has
a
general
plan
designation
of
mixed
juice,
its
0.16
acres
in
size,
just
off
of
South
Palm,
Canyon
Drive,
you
see
on
the
screen,
the
location,
the
area
on
the
left
and
then
on.
The
right
is
the
zoning,
as
it
relates
to
the
property
surrounded
in
green
and
the
adjacent
areas
are
c2.
H
So
that
was
the
previous
zoning
for
this
site
and
it
would
make
sense
to
just
continue
the
c2
zoning
for
a
change
of
zone
for
this
property
location
to
is
further
is
on
North
Palm,
Canyon
Drive,
south
of
Stevens
Road.
It
is
an
undeveloped
site,
that's
point:
seven,
six
acres
in
size,
civic
use
zone
and
also
mixed-use
jerem
plan
designation.
You
can
see
on
the
right.
The
zoning
of
the
properties
to
the
north
and
south
is
c1
along
the
Palm,
Canyon
frontage
and
r2
to
the
rear,
and
that
was
the
previous
designations
for
this
site.
H
H
H
Location
4
is
a
bit
more
complicated,
but
it
is
currently
zoned
P
professional
and
has
a
general
plan
designation
of
low
density
residential.
This
includes
10
parcels
of
land.
3
of
these
parcels
are
developed
with
multi-family
housing
and
then
one
property
is
a
Singh
family
property,
so
the
zone
that
would
make
sense
for
a
rezoning
area
would
be
our
GA
6,
which
is
residential
garden
apartment
or
cluster
residential.
H
H
However,
the
property
is
located
to
the
northwest
of
the
airport
and
is
subject
to
the
Riverside
County
Airport
land
use
compatibility
plan,
and
this
is
the
airport
land
use.
Commission
is
a
county
agency
and
there
they
have
them
throughout
the
state
and
what
they
do
is
they
regulate
private
development,
as
well
as
some
development
within
airport
property
and
land
use
around
airports
to
ensure
or
minimize
the
loss
of
life
or
damage
to
property
in
the
event
of
an
airport
or
an
airplane
crash.
So
what
they
do
is
they
establish
zones
zone?
H
H
You
can
see
it
does
expand
quite
in
a
quite
large
area,
all
the
way
from
the
city
limits
beyond
to
Cathedral
City
and
Rancho
Mirage.
So
it
does
impact
not
only
our
city
but
adjacent
cities
as
well,
but
when
we're
looking
at
the
property
location
for
you
can
see
here,
it
is
within
the
b1
zone,
and
it's
highlighted
here
in
a
dashed
white
line
on
the
bottom
right
of
the
screen.
H
So
it's
one
of
a
number
of
properties
that
would
be
impacted,
that
is
impacted
by
the
b1
zone,
for
the
compatibility
plan
and
b1
zone
does
limit
residential
development
two
to
one
dwelling
unit
per
20
acres,
which
is
quite
significant.
Considering
there's
excuse
me,
there's
a
much
higher
density
that
exists
there
now
in
the
surrounding
area.
H
It
does
also
limit
non-residential
intensity
to
an
average
of
25
people
per
acre
and
requires
open
space
that
30%
and
prohibits
certain
uses.
So
those
are
all
identified
in
your
staff
report,
so
the
the
city
when
it
does
process
the
change
of
zone.
The
first
step
is
to
initiate
that
zone
change
staff
would
if
the
Commission
does
initiate
the
zone
change
it
can
be
done
by
either
Planning
Commission
or
the
City
Council.
H
We
would
do
some
investigation
and
prepare
or
identify
any
the
sequel
process
and
go
through
those
motions
and
then
bring
it
back
to
you
at
a
public
hearing,
and
then
you
would
make
recommendation
to
the
City
Council
and
the
City
Council
would
also
hold
a
public
hearing
and
make
a
decision
on
the
application.
So
that's
just
kind
of
the
process
how
the
airport
language
compatibility
plan
works
into
that
is
prior
to
I,
I.
Think
I
believe
it
would
be
the
Planning
Commission
to
make
taking
action
on
a
changes
on
the
Commission
Airport
land-use.
H
So
that's
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
the
issues
that
were
running
into
with
this
area.
Obviously,
the
major
problem
with
location
4
is:
we
have
currently
a
Jay's
own
of
professional
amazonian,
that's
professional
and
the
general
plan.
That's
load
didn't
residential
and
those
are
incompatible
with
each
other,
so
the
zoning
would
allow
office,
whereas
a
German
planet
allows
residential
and
but
similarly,
they
both
prohibit
those
uses.
So
there's
a
this
is
a
problem
that
we
would
like
to
address
something
rather
than
later.
H
So
so,
as
I
said
today
is
really
the
first
step
of
the
process
is
to
initiate
the
zone
changes
and
then
we
would
go
through
the
the
motions
to
investigate
the
necessary
steps
and
any
analysis
that
would
go
along
with
that,
including
discussions
with
airport
land
use,
Commission
staff
and
looking
at
their
recommendations
to
move
forward.
So
I'll
conclude
with
that,
I
can
answer
any
questions
that
the
Commission
may
have
all.
G
Chair
I
do
have
an
addition
to
that.
I
discovered
an
issue
late
on
Monday
with
another
property,
where
there's
a
conflict
not
only
between
the
general
plan
and
the
zoning,
but
between
the
general
plan
and
the
current
uses
of
the
property
and
I've
got
a
handout
here
that
I'd
like
to
pass
out
to
you.
If
you'll
give
me
just
a
moment.
G
So
in
this
location,
if
I
can
refer
to
the
first
page,
which
such
a
general
plan
designation
on
the
front,
this
is
an
area
at
the
intersection
of
via
Lola
and
North
Palm
Canyon
Drive,
there's
four
parcels
there
that
are
designated
Oh
office
and
in
the
general
plan
designation
for
office,
it's
very
limited
in
terms
of
the
types
of
uses
that
it
permits.
It's
basically
professional
office
uses
and
very
limited
commercial
is
permissible.
It
does
not
allow
residential
or
hotel
uses.
G
G
There
is
the
building
known
as
the
twist
where
earnest,
coffee
and
bootlegger
tiki
bar
is
located
as
long
as
well
as
the
apartments
and
vacation
rentals
that
are
there
in
the
twist
building,
and
so
those
uses
are
compatible
with
the
c1
zoning
district,
but
incompatible
with
the
O
office.
General
plan
designation,
the
property
immediately
to
the
north.
Of
that,
one
is
also
a
commercial
use
there
and
I
believe.
G
Newell
discussed
relative
to
correcting
conflicts
between
the
zoning
and
the
general
plan
in
the
areas
that
he
discussed
as
part
of
this
effort,
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
investigate
this
area,
as
I
have
had
a
question
come
forward
and
I
believe
that
there
is
an
issue
with
the
designation
that
the
city
has
placed
on
this
relative
to
the
general
plan.
I'd
like
to
do
some
further
research
on
this
and
bring
this
back
to
you
at
a
later
point
in
time
as
well.
So
that
concludes
my
comments
again.
G
A
D
H
D
H
H
So
in
2012
the
city
took
an
inventory
of
its
property
and
I
believe
it
was
related
to
the
efforts
in
keeping
the
property,
because
it
was,
it
went
back
to
the
dissolution
of
the
Redevelopment
Agency
and
ensuring
that
the
property
could
be
held
by
the
city
with
this
this
zone.
So
I
think
it
was
in
relation
to
that.
But
since
we're
considering
selling
these
properties,
when
I
when
I
speak,
I've
spoken
with
the
Director
of
Community
and
Economic
Development,
he
identified
these
three
as
the
ones
that
would
be
important
to
change.
H
D
The
reason
I
ask
is
because
the
Civic
use
in
the
zoning
code
it
gives
like
a
long
list
of
options
for
that
for
those
property
and
including
a
childcare
center.
Even
so,
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
there
for
this
city
and
so
I'm
just
curious
as
to
why
we
would
be
getting
rid
of
these
property
when
there's
possibility
to
use
it
for
the
good
of
the
community.
Let.
G
Me
just
jump
in
mr.
chair
in
terms
of
getting
rid
of
these
properties
with
the
dissolution
of
redevelopment
agencies
by
the
state
in
2012.
There's
no
longer
really
the
ability
for
us
to
redevelop
these
properties
and
there's
really
no
need
for
us
to
hang
on
to
these
properties,
and
so
for
that
reason,
that's
why
we're
looking
at
returning
these
back
to
what
would
be
the
appropriate
zoning
for
the
site.
Now
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
couldn't
retain
the
properties
and
use
them
that
the
City
Council
so
chooses.
They
still
have
the
ability
to
do
that.
G
Nor
does
that
preclude
the
option
of
being
able
to
use
them
for
some
type
of
civic
use
in
the
future
that
a
lot
of
the
Civic
uses
would
be
compatible
under
other
zoning
designations
as
well.
Daycare
is
one
for
example,
that
you
mentioned
that
it
doesn't
need
to
be
zoned
Civic
used
to
in
order
to
do
daycare
facilities
right.
B
Hi
David
on
location
number,
according
to
the
adjacencies,
it's
almost
that
the
property
fronting
North
Indian
Canyon
is
more
c1
and
then
the
property
fronting
sort
of
camino
norte
is
our
it.
Could
it
be
a
sign
for
both
or
could
it
be
interchangeable,
depending
on
how
the
application
application
for
entitlement
could
come
in
yeah.
H
It
could
be
and
I
know
there,
the
Economic
Development
Office
is
looking
at
you
know.
Ultimately,
the
goal
would
be
to
assemble
more
properties
to
create
a
larger
or
a
more
impactful
development,
so
it
could
be
that
an
application
comes
in
to
develop
either
in
within.
You
know,
uses
permitted
that
could
be
either
of
those
zones
and
the
c1
zone
does
permit
multifamily,
and
so
it
could
have
a
multi-family
project
there
across
the
entire
site.
H
B
Those
are
bad
in
what
a
luck
will
allow
or
not
allow,
and
where
the
city
will
stand
that
in
itself
in
itself
it's
an
investment
from
staff,
so
I
want
to
support
that
in
question
about
what
happens
after
staff
does
their
finding?
Does
that
come
back
to
Planning
Commission
on
that
particular
site?
Yes,.
H
B
H
F
E
Like
to
thank
my
fellow
commissioners,
because
they
asked
most
of
my
questions
but
in
terms
of
there
was
another
site
that
this
city
was
in
escrow
in
on
North,
Palm,
Canyon
and
then
the
escrow
as
I
understand
it
was
revoked,
did
was
that
part
of
the
Cu
classification
order.
The
zoning
on
that
change
as
part
of
this
process.
E
E
A
D
Think
this
is
probably
a
question
for
staff
and
so
with
the
property
number
four
in
the
b1
zone.
So,
as
you
pointed
out
that
there's
a
lot
of
other
property
in
the
b1
zone,
that
is
clearly
not
in
compliance
with
I'm,
sorry,
the
county,
the
county,
zoning
and
so
my
concern
there
because
I
was
I
was
reading
these
these
County
requirements
and
it
was
had
a
lot
of
valid
reasons
about
hazards
of
planes
and
things
like
that.
D
I
I
certainly
feel
that
it's
something
that
needs
to
be
taken
into
some
pretty
deep
conversation
about
what
would
be
good
for
that
area
and
because
well,
it
would
be
nice
to
have
more
housing
if
it's
going
to
be
detrimental,
and
if
these
other
people
who
are
living
there
already
are
kind
of
a
more
risk.
That's
that's
not
a
good
thing,
so
I'm
just
curious
to
know
kind
of
how
that
happened.
Did
these
county
regulations
come
in
after
all
of
those
homes
were
built,
I
mean
what
what
went
on
to
make
this
an
issue.
Yeah.
H
H
A
G
C
G
A
A
E
Yes,
I'd
like
to
request
that
the
staff
look
at
what
was
approved
for
the
vibe
project,
other
side
of
talk
wits
having
to
do
with
the
distance
between
the
wall
that
separates
the
habitable
area
of
the
project
from
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk
I.
Had
my
recollection
is
anyway
that
I
had
made
a
condition
of
the
approval
that
there
would
be
20
feet
of
plantable
area
between
the
wall
and
the
sidewalk.
E
The
fence
is
down
now
and
it
looks
like,
although
the
wall
distance
to
the
wall
via
the
wall
varies,
so
the
distance
to
the
wall
varies,
but
in
the
minimum
size
I
didn't
take
a
tape
measure
out
there,
but
it
seems
to
me
it's
clearly
not
20
feet
and
I
was
wondering
if
someone
from
staff
can
verify
whether
that's
an
issue
or
not.
Yeah.
G
F
H
H
A
E
I
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
one
of
the
things
that
I
had
been
requested
to
report
on
was
the
status
of
the
downtown
Park
I'm
happy
to
report
that
the
construction
documents
have
been
provided
to
staff
for
review
just
to
follow
up
as
you'll
recall.
The
last
time
we
met
together.
As
a
group,
we
offered
comments
on
design
suggestions
relative
to
the
park
and
improvements
and
changes.
G
We
forward
those
on
to
our
consultant,
who
went
forward
and
was
able
to
include
a
number
of
those
I,
don't
think
they
were
able
to
include
all
of
the
suggestions
that
came
forward
out
of
all
of
our
groups,
but
incorporated
those
as
part
of
the
design
revisions
to
the
park
itself.
One
of
the
areas
where
there
was
a
minor
change
was
relative
to
the
size
of
the
police.
G
C
When
mr.
Braun
was
here
on
a
matter,
mr.
Hirsch
mine
was
very
emphatic
and
we
all
agree
with
him.
I
think
that
something
needs
to
be
done
behind
block
B,
with
respect
to
where
the
Virgen
might
or
might
not
go,
and
it's
quite
unsightly
and
I
think
the
Planning
Commission
I
think
counsel
addressed
this
as
well
with
him.
I
think
he
was
given
60
days
to
comply
and
clean
up,
but
I
walked
by
there.
The
other
day,
I
don't
see
much
progress
being
made.
Yes,.
G
That's
correct:
there
was
that
condition
that
was
forwarded
on
to
the
City
Council
and
City.
Council
did
include
conditions
relative
to
the
status
of
the
Virgen
site
until
construction
begins
there.
He
has
until
March
to
clean
that
up.
I
believe
there
was
a
requirement
that
some
type
of
temporary
art
piece
be
installed
on
the
site
that
would
be
reviewed
by
the
City
Council
subcommittee
he's
coming
up
shortly,
that
that
will
need
to
be
done.
L
The
City
Council
subcommittee
is
council,
member
Roberts
and
I,
and
we
did
have
an
ad
hoc
discussion
with
mr.
Braun
a
couple
of
weeks
ago
discussing
various
alternatives
that
could
be
used
for
that
site
and
none
were
identified
and
agreed
to,
but
he
is
looking
at
a
couple
of
things
that
could
be
interesting,
one
of
which
was
some
temporary
pickleball
courts
to
be
painted
and
used
on
that
site.
Others
were
beach
volleyball
sites
on
the
day
that
we
went
through
it.
L
It
was
right
after
one
of
our
rainstorms,
and
there
was
quite
a
bit
of
water
in
in
there
that
we
christened
Lake
Bron,
so
I
think
it
would
be
very
appropriate,
though,
for
staff
to
to
make
a
reminder
to
mr.
Braun
of
the
deadlines
that
he's
facing
and
I
know.
I
would
appreciate
being
reminded
of
the
specific
date
as
well.
For
that
cleanup,
it's
so
noted
did.