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From YouTube: Planning Commission Meeting | January 27th, 2021
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Regularly Scheduled Meeting
A
B
A
Call
thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner.
Irwin.
D
A
Here
we're
amok
present;
okay,
we
have
a
quorum.
Thank
you.
Our
next
item
is
the
acceptance
of
the
agenda
and
I
would
like
to
propose
that
we
move
item
4b
from
new
business
to
the
consent
calendar.
If
there
is
an
acceptance
of
this,
can
I
have
a
motion
in
a
second
I'll.
A
E
D
C
D
D
G
A
A
Please
note
that
the
planning
commission
is
prohibited
from
taking
action
on
items
not
listed
on
the
posted
agenda.
Three
minutes
is
allowed
for
each
speaker.
Testimony
for
public
hearings
may
be
offered
at
this
time.
We
actually
have
no
public
hearings,
so
testimony
for
4a,
4b
and
4c
should
come
under
this
portion
of
the
agenda.
H
G
G
I'm
calling
to
voice
my
support,
as
well
as
the
majority
of
my
fellow
residents
in
the
orange
crossing
neighborhood
for
the
the
bronte
development
that
corpsman
laid
is
planning
to
build
along
34th
avenue
for
the
planning
commissioners
who
were
not
involved
in
this
seven
years
ago,
and
for
those
two
who
I
believe,
were
you
may
remember
that
the
original
plan
is
not
the
one
you're
looking
at
the
original
plan
was
a
walled
gated
community,
but
through
the
objections
of
the
neighborhood
and
with
the
support
of
the
city
council
of
the
planning
commission,
because
the
master
plan
for
palm
springs
really
called
for
neighborhoods
to
not
have
walls
did
not
have
gates.
G
Corman
lee
came
back
with
a
totally
revised
plan
that
incorporates
their
development
into
the
neighborhood.
In
fact,
I
think
this
is
probably
the
only
development
that
really
is
incorporated
into
the
neighborhood
that
it
serves
in
any
area
in
palm
springs.
That's
happened
over
the
last
10
years.
This
particular
development
will
go
a
long
ways
to
enhancing
and
improving
the
community.
G
It
will
be
a
part
of
the
lawrence
crossing
neighborhood
and
I
strongly
urge
you
to
approve
this
project
and
allow
them
to
move
forward.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
and
we'll
disconnect
okay,
so
that
madam
chair,
is
it
for
the
requests
to
speak
via
telephone.
So
if
there's
anyone
on
the
zoom
meeting
now,
if
you'd
like
to
provide
public
comment,
you
may
do
so.
You'll
have
up
to
three
minutes.
H
You
may
start
by
turning
your
camera
on,
so
that
we
can
identify
you
as
a
speaker
and
then
let
you
provide
your
testimony.
So
it
looks
like
dan,
I
believe,
stan
lee.
Is
this
you're
the
applicant
for
one
of
the
items
this
evening.
I
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
honorable
planning,
commission
and
city
staff
a
little
bit
about
corman
lee
communities.
We
are
a
home
building
company
that
has
been
in
business
since
1997.
I
for
the
ad
approval.
We
worked
very
closely
with
the
community,
the
city
staff
and
some
of
you
on
this
respected
planning
commission
to
develop
a
project
that
is
consistent
with
the
city's
policies,
plans
and
guidelines.
This
project
was
reconfigured
to
give
a
connectivity
to
the
community.
The
isolation
effect
of
gates
was
eliminated
and
homes
were
reoriented
towards
34th
avenue.
I
I
Commissioner
roberts
commented
on
the
attractiveness
of
the
project
and
the
fact
that
it
felt
like
a
new
neighborhood,
not
just
like
another
development.
Commissioner
lowe
commented
on
how
this
was
a
great
example
of
communities
and
developers,
working
together
with
the
city
to
create
something
positive
and
better.
The
project
was
approved
unanimously
by
all
planning.
Commissioners.
I
I've
been
asked
by
staff
to
address
what
happened
in
2015
and
why
this
project
was
put
on
hold.
There
was
a
number
of
factors
that
created
an
economically
unfeasible
situation.
First,
the
canadian
dollar
lost
20
to
25
percent
of
its
value,
causing
a
significant
portion
of
buyer
demand
to
evaporate
in
the
coachella
valley
overnight.
I
In
addition,
many
canadians
who
own
properties
in
the
coachella
valley
put
their
property
on
the
market
and
generated
an
excess
supply.
Verbrante
was
perceived
as
not
a
core
area
in
palm
springs,
causing
financial
sources
to
pull
back
due
to
lack
of
demand,
excess
supply
from
the
canadian
resellers
interest
rates
were
also
rising
at
the
same
time,
increased
construction
costs.
All
of
these
causing
the
project
to
be
in
a
negative
profit
relationship.
I
In
conclusion,
we
believe
this
project
will
offer
a
tremendous
opportunity
for
meeting
the
housing
needs
of
palm
springs.
Many
potential
home
buyers
are
leaving
urban
cities
in
search
of
higher
quality
of
life.
Vibrante
will
allow
workforce
service
providers,
including
teachers
first
responders
medical
staff
to
live
work
and
play
all
in
the
same
community,
which
studies
have
shown
increase
the
overall
citizenship
of
a
society
we
also
have
here
today
is
our
architect,
chip,
melton
and
our
landscape,
architect,
opus
garza
for
questions
during
the
period,
so
if
the
commission
so
desires,
thank
you
very
much.
A
H
H
To
speak
during
public
comments,
if
so,
please
turn
on
your
camera
or
unmute
your.
J
Hi
there,
madam
chair
ethan,
kaminski
on
behalf
of
youth
cap.
J
Our
organization
is
110
years
old
have
been
at
the
south
end
of
palm
springs
at
the
500
building
for
the
past
several
years
and
have
recently
decided
to
relocate
our
east
and
west
coast
offices
to
create
a
world
headquarters
in
downtown
palm
springs
in
in
the
downtown
development,
and
we
bring
a
couple
of
thousand
people
a
year
through
the
airport
through
the
drive
market,
and
they
all
stay
in
the
downtown
district
at
the
hotels
and
it's
very
critical
for
us
that
our
attendees
can
clearly
find
us.
J
K
H
So
these
items
are
all
new
business
items,
they're,
not
public
hearing
items,
so
public
comment
for
these
items
would
occur
at
this
time.
So
all
these
items
applicants
now
are
really
the
time
for
you
to
speak.
H
K
A
There
being
no
one
else
who
wishes
to
speak
public
testimony
is
now
closed
and
we
will
go
on
to
our
agenda.
There
is
no
unfinished
business
new
business
for
a
palm
beach.
A
I'm
so
sorry
I
was
looking
at
my
old
agenda.
The
item
on
the
consent
calendar
is
kevin
brooke
for
a
major
architectural
application
to
construct
an
eight
thousand
six
hundred
and
forty
three
square
foot
single
family
residence
on
a
1.4,
acre
hillside
site
located
at
260
ridge
mountain
drive.
J
Madam
chair,
I
will
move
approval
of
the
consent.
Calendar.
A
B
A
Yes,
okay,
the
item
is
approved
and
if
the
applicant
is
here,
congratulations
then
our
next
item
of
business
is
item.
4A
palm
springs,
la-34,
llc,
owner
for
a
major
architectural
application
for
the
construction
of
a
41-unit
condominium,
complex
known
as
vibrante,
located
at
6500
34th
avenue
zone
loan
rga6
staff
report.
A
L
A
L
Yes,
okay,
so
let
me
go
back
to
the
first
slide.
Sorry,
it
jumped
to
the
very
bottom
end
of
it.
L
Or
so
the
project
is
the
bronte
project,
which
the
planning
commission
reviewed.
L
The
planning
commission
reviewed
the
project
originally
in
2006
and
approved
a
41-unit
complex
for
the
development
of
a
condominium
subdivision,
so
the
planning
commission
in
2009
and
2010
approved
one
ti
one
year
time
extensions
and
that
ex
those
entitlements
expired
for
the
mage
architectural
in
2011..
L
A
new
application
was
submitted
for
the
same
project
in
2014
and
at
that
time
the
project
was
reviewed
by
multiple
aac
committee.
Subcommittees
that
looked
at
how
the
project
would
be
developed.
There
was
meetings
with
the
community
and
then
the
planning
commission
approved
the
project
in
2014.
L
At
that
time
there
was
a
rough
grading
permit
that
was
issued
in
2015
and
then
the
track
map
32736
was
recorded
with
riverside
county,
which
cemented
the
entitlements
for
the
track
map
and
the
condominium
map.
There
was
also
an
access
agreement
that
was
approved
with
the
cv
link
to
grant
them
access,
and
that
was
recorded
just.
L
So
looking
at
the
project,
the
location-
this
is
the
the
34th
avenue
and
you'll
notice
that
dinosaur
drive
is
on
the
east
side
and
then
the
lawrence
crosley
condominium.
I'm
sorry
residential
development
is
down
here
to
the
south.
L
The
project
is
not
gated,
it
was
originally
and
there
are
guest
parking
spaces
throughout
the
development.
L
So
in
your
package,
there's
a
series
of
diagrams
that
show
what
the
streetscape
would
be.
This
would
be
the
entrance
their
show.
This
shows
the
landscape
area
and
the
driveways
and
the
curb
cuts
along
34th
avenue,
a
streetscape
showing
how
each
of
the
houses
would
be
laid
out
along
the
street,
and
then
they
there's
a
series
of
diagrams
showing
the
interior
street
layouts.
L
The
houses
are
both
single
fam,
single
they're,
all
single
family,
but
there
are
one
story
and
two
story
houses,
and
there
are
two
buildings
that
are
duplexes
that
are
connected
with
a
common
wall.
So
each
house
has
a
two-car
garage.
L
This
is
a
second
story
unit
here,
one
story
and
if
the
members
of
the
planning
commission
remember
that
the
aac
spent
a
lot
of
time
working
on
window
dimensions,
overhangs
for
solar
control,
also
the
columns
on
the
front
of
the
buildings
here
as
to
the
width
and
the
angles,
and
we
looked
at
materials
and
light
fixtures,
also
so
moving
through
these
slides
quickly.
L
L
So
there
are
a
modern
design
with
some
with
butterfly
roof,
some
of
the
flat
roofs.
This
is
a
unit
the
side,
another
side
of
plan
4b
also
with
your
packet,
was
nine
different
color
schemes
that
they'll
they'll
be
used.
Interchangeable
throughout
the
units
of
the
development
there's
also
elevation,
showing
the
the
four
sides
of
the
building
the
rear
and
the
sides,
and
then
the
two-story
units
with
the
upper
unit
containing
the
bedrooms.
L
So
staff
recommends
that
the
application
has
has
made
efforts
to
move
the
project
forward.
They've
obtained
a
rough
grading
permit.
The
tract
has
been
recorded
with
the
county
and
they've
also
recorded
easily,
with
the
cv
link
the
engineering
rickman
hearts.
The
engineering
department
is
on
available
to
talk
about
the
track
map
process.
L
L
So,
just
to
talk
about
the
sql
document,
the
planning
commission
city
council
approved
the
sql
document
in
2006
and
in
2014
the
project
we
required
them
to
submit
two
reports.
One
was
a
noise
study
and
a
an
updated
greenhouse
gas
emissions
report
and
at
the
time
the
planning
commission
approved
the
development
based
upon
the
original
sql
document
in
2006..
L
A
Questions
for
staff-
and
I
think,
if
we
can
have
rick
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
in
the
track
map
process.
That
would
be
good
and
then,
if
we
can
have
the
city
attorney
available.
G
Madam
chair
and
commission
good
afternoon
the
track
map
for
this
project
has
already
been
completed.
It
was
a
single
lot
subdivision
and
there
was
a
parcel
two
of
the
map,
which
indicated
the
slope
easement
for
the
dinosaur
bridge,
which
is
where
part
of
the
cv
link
is
going
to
be
placed
when
it's
an
overlying
easement
over
the
existing
slope
easement.
G
Did
do
not
have
that
available
to
show
it
to
you,
it
is
recorded,
though
we
do
have
the
recorded
map
here
in
our
office.
Glenn
may
have
it
part
of
his
his
sludge.
L
A
G
Correct
this,
the
track
map
for
a
condominium
is
simply
just
a
one
lot.
It
just
has
a
boundary
around
it,
and
then
the
developer
is
required
to
file
a
map
of
the
department
of
real
estate,
which
carves
out
the
individual
airspace
slots
for
the
individual
units,
and
they
do
that
on
their
own
to
the
department
of
real
estate.
A
Okay,
so
that
the
thing
that's
set
is
41
units
and
a
single
lot,
that's
five
acres,
great
and
just
what
is
the?
Where
is
the
easement
for
cd
link.
G
It
is
along
the
top
part
of
the
slope
easement
for
dinosaur
bridge,
so
it
comes
along
dinosaur
and
there,
on
the
top
right
hand,
corner
of
the
slide
there.
You
can
see
the
trees
that
are
along
and
it
says
bike
trail.
G
So
it
follows
basically
that
where
it
says
bike
trail
and
then
it
kind
of
meanders
down
south
to
34th
avenue
through
a
series
of
easements
that
they
recorded
with
the
developer.
A
A
A
Okay
and
for
the
houses,
the
single,
the
single
family
houses
on
an
exclusive
use.
These
are
an
exclusive
use
of
a
certain
amount
of
land.
How
much
land
do
they
have.
A
G
G
Okay,
I
don't
know
what
the
total
square
footage
is
for
the
trail.
If
that's
what
you're
asking.
G
A
Great
and
glenn
has
the
the
track
been
filed
with
the
department
of
real
estate
so
that
the
layout
is
set.
A
Okay,
I
think
that's
that's
great,
a
couple
of
questions
for
our
attorney
before
I
turn
it
over
to
people
for
regular
questions
in
terms
of
what's,
oh
glenn,
are
there
any
changes
at
all
in
design
from
2014?
Is
this
identical
or
the
attorney
letter
said
it
was
a
design
upgrade
or
redo?
So
I
I
wanted
to
know
had
they
made
any
changes.
L
Right
so
the
the
architecture
and
all
the
designs
are
completely
the
same
as
they
were
in
2014,
so
they
haven't.
I'm
not
quite
you
may
reference
some
other
upgrades,
but
that
is
it's
exactly
the
same
as
what
you
looked
at
in
2014.
L
Well,
there
have
there
have
been
changes
in
the
building
code.
Yes,
as
far
as
solar
requirements
for
each
of
the
units
and
the
2019
california
building
code.
G
I've
taken
a
look
at
the
letter
sent
by
the
attorney
as
well
as
the
public
comment
here.
I
believe
that
the
commission
can
consider
any
changes
to
the
project.
G
That
said,
the
final
map
is
over
five
years
old,
so
there
is
some
legal
authority
to
impose
new
conditions
on
the
project
under
the
subdivision
map
act,
but
our
recommendation
is
that
you're
looking
just
at
how
it
is
now
and
it
does
not
necessarily
create
a
reopener
for
the
entire
project.
A
G
L
Once
again,
we'd
have
to
ask
the
applicant
if
they
filed
that,
with
the
that
portion
of
the
the
condominium
airspace
rights.
A
And
then,
regarding
sequa.
A
There
were
a
number
of
issues
raised
in
the
letter
that
was
sent
to
us
regarding
endangered
species,
burrowing
owls
other
other
forms
of
life
were
those
items
included
in
the
original
sequa.
L
In
2006
there
was
a
biological
report
that
was
that
was
done
and
there
were
no
endangered
species
found
at
that
time.
So
you
know
if,
if
something
has
moved
in
in
the
past
16
years,
I
we
don't
have
any
evidence
that
says
that
there
has.
A
G
G
Again,
I
don't
think
that
the
final
map
necessarily
vests
everything
so
that
we
could
not
look
at.
You
know
possible
endangered
species
issues
or
any
updated
sequel
issues.
So
I
believe
we
could
do
that.
Obviously,
you
know
we
would
have
to
continue
this
item
to
have
that
analysis
done.
A
B
B
F
L
I
was
referring
to
the
architectural,
the
major
architecture
which
is
before
you
today,
so
those
have
expired.
So
it's
it's
not
unusual
for
the
planning
commission.
You
know
we
do
time,
extensions
on
a
project
that
that
is
about
to
expire,
but
this
this
project
had
went
through
its
entitlements
and
they
did
not
come
back
and
get
a
time
extension
from
2014
so
in
in
our
opinion,
they
have
expired.
F
So
you're
saying
that
the
only
request
for
an
extension
would
have
been
related
to
the
major
architectural,
but
not
for
the
project
as
a
whole.
L
A
Other
questions,
commissioner,
song.
E
Yes,
glenn
as
a
refresher,
the
setback
for
the
west
property
line
is
a
consistent,
20
feet
and
then
the
setback
on
the
north
proper
line
is
also
a
consistent
20
feet.
Do
you
know
where
that
came
from?
Was
that
a
requirement
of
ours?
I
noticed
on
on
the
report
that
it
says
front
step
back
side,
step
back
and
rear
set
back,
but
the
issue
is
that
you
have
setbacks
as
a
project
as
a
overall
and
then
you
have
step
back
as
each
individual
home
lots.
E
So
if
you
can
bring
back
some
history
on
how
where
the
20-foot
setbacks
were
established,.
L
Right,
so
if
you
look
at
the
site
plan,
you'll
see
that
that
the
setback
is
consistent
on
all,
I
guess
is
the
north
and
the
west
side
and
the
zone
requirement
is
that
setback
the
rga6.
L
Right,
I
mean
the
because
it's
all
one
lot,
the
front
is
the
side
that
faces
34th
and
that's
how
we
evaluated
that.
E
E
L
E
Okay,
it
shows
a
duplex,
but
there's
no
duplex
on
34th
street.
L
E
Okay,
third
question
is
again
recalling
bad
memory,
but
I
believe
when
there
was
a
project
development
project
such
as
these,
there
was
a
whole
emphasis
from
the
planning
commission.
Before
I
came
in
about
providing
a
driveway
apron,
so
a
car
could
actually
park
outside
of
the
garage.
E
L
Right
so,
as
you
know,
that's
been
a
a
strong
commission
requirement
and
request
that
there
that
the
driveway
be
long
enough
to
have
a
car
pull
off
of
the
street
and
looking
at
these
driveways
along
34th,
they
are
all
long
enough
for
a
car
to
park
off
of
the
street
internally.
Here,
obviously,
you
can
see
that
that's
not
the
case.
E
L
E
Okay,
so
if
the
residents
want
to
enjoy
the
back
trail,
they'll
have
to
come
up
to
34th
and
then
be
able
to
get
in.
J
J
L
C
Yes,
so
I
was
so
looking
at
the
project
just
to
be
clear:
it's
going
to
flow
through
the
community
in
the
neighborhood.
It's
not
going
to
be
any
walls
or
any
type
of
gates
or
anything
there.
The
the
community
is
going
to
flow
with
the
community
outside
of
the
project.
L
That's
correct:
the
original
project
had
two
gates
along
the
street,
but
they
have
been
removed
and
we
also
work
to
get
this.
If
you
can
see
the
pointer,
margarita
street
comes
up
and
now
will
go
directly
into
the
development.
So
it
looks
like
it's
part
of
the
development,
so
we
work
to
make
sure
that
these
streets
lined
up
with
the
developments
of
lawrence
crosley.
C
And-
and
I
didn't
see,
pricing
did
I
overlook
or
miss
pricing?
Does
it
have
pricing
in
our
application
in
our
packet
that
we
have.
A
Packets,
any
other
questions
of
staff.
Seeing
none
could
I
ask
the
applicant
to
come
back.
A
A
Mr
lee
first
question
I
have
for
you
is
what
what
have
you
included
in
your
track?
Map
submission.
I
A
A
So
that
that
leaves
us
some
flexibility
in
terms
of
I'm,
assuming
that
leaves
us
some
flexibility,
but
that
may
be
a
question
for
staff.
Commissioner
irvin,
you
had
a
question
for
the
applicant.
C
Yeah
the
the
question
I
had,
I
I
asked
staff.
What
is
the
pricing
of
the
project?
Have
you
came
with
put
together
the
pricing
of
the
project.
I
We've
we've
had
a
market
study
done
very
recently
and
they've
indicated
that
we
should
be
starting
pricing
in
in
the
500
upper
500.
000
range.
C
I
Can
I
make
a
clarification,
madam
chair.
A
I
You
mentioned
a
five
acre
site,
the
site
is
actually
seven
and
a
half
acres
and
the
lot
sizes
are
typically
minimum
in
the
mid
4000
range,
but
some
of
them
go
up
to
6,
500
and
and
some
as
large
as
7
000
square
feet.
As
far
as
not
lot
size
correction
would
be
the
exclusive
use.
A
I
A
Then
is
this
exactly
what
you
you
was
approved
previously
and
if
it
is,
have
you
looked
at
colors
and
materials
again
to
determine
whether
this
meets
the
current
marketplace?.
I
We
have
we
have
and
in
our
market
study,
the
the
consultants
indicated
that,
with
the
the
color
schemes
and
this
mid-century
modern
architecture
is,
is
still
applicable
in
today's
marketplace,
and
today's
market
demand.
We,
we
also
have
our
architect
here.
That
can
can
comment
on
that.
If
you
like.
M
My
name
is
charles
melton,
I'm
the
architect
with
knitter
partners,
and
we
are
the
original
architects
that
worked
on
this
project
way
back
when
and
I'm
the
original
designer
of
this
project,
and
actually
yet
we
have
not
made
any
changes
and
in
fact,
as
I
looked
it
over,
I
was
really
kind
of
happy
that
it
it
really
does
hold
up
to
today,
and
I
think
that
kind
of
speaks
to
its
flavor
of
originally
kind
of
chasing
after
a
modernized
version
of
mid-century
modern,
with
with
more
modern
living.
A
M
D
A
What
did
I
do
sorry?
I
was
looking
at
the
larger
plans.
I
think
those
are
my
questions.
One
question
have
you
walked
to
the
site
recently
and
looked
at
the
emergence
of
of
plant
life
and
biological
life
that
might
not
have
been
there
before?
Have
you
done
a
survey
of
it.
M
As
the
architect
yeah,
if
you
re-walk
the
site,
we
did
not
re-walk
the
site
on
on
this
occasion.
The
last
time
I
I
walked
the
site
was
in
2015,
so
you
know,
if
that's
a
concern,
obviously
we
would
want
to
take
a
walk
through
there,
but
as
of
now,
no
we
haven't
walked
this
particular
site
since
2015.
I
Madam
chair,
we
we
do
have
employees
go
out
there
on
a
fairly
regular
basis
to
pick
up
debris
and
trash
when
we
get,
especially
when
we
get
notices,
but
we
do
it
on
a
regular
basis
to
make
sure
the
property
is
in
clean
and
and
respectful
condition.
So
we've
had
employees
out
there.
You
know,
within
the
last
number
of
months,
going
out
and
and
materials
on
the
site.
L
Madam
sure,
I
can
answer
that
question
you
had
so
the
the
building
area
takes
20.3
percent,
the
paving,
including
streets
and
drives,
is
20.2
percent
and
then
the
landscape
open
space
recreation
is
59.5.
M
A
You,
the
matter
is,
oh,
commissioner,
song.
E
Yes,
I
I
wanted
to
ask
on
34th
street
the
the
cluster
of
five
homes
that
you
have.
It
looks
like
two
of
them
are
two-story
buildings.
E
Does
it
does,
in
this
case
the
150
foot
separation
to
one
story,
buildings
from
adjacent?
Has
that
been
applied
here
in
the
placement
of
the
two-story
residential
homes.
M
I'm
sorry,
yes,
I
I'm
back
and
as
far
as
a
a
direct
study
of
that
in
the
last
few
months,
no
we
would
have
to
re-look
at
code
if,
if
there's
something
that
has
changed
code
wise
as
far
as
the
layout
of
the
of
the
site
itself,
we'd
have
to
have
a
look
right
now.
I
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
that
question.
E
E
M
I
don't
have
an
answer
as
to
why
we
would
put
two-story
homes
facing
34th
street
dan
do
do
we
have
any
well.
I
Yeah
part
part
of
the
the
idea
from
a
street
scene
standpoint
is
to
to
try
to
break
up
the
massing
and
have
a
variety
of
different
products
that
that
that
get
presented
as
you're
as
you're
driving
along
the
street.
So
you
don't
have
a
uniform
monolith
as
far
as
massing
and
there's
a
there's,
a
variation
to
it.
That
creates
a
undulating
effect.
E
E
Number
eight,
okay
yeah,
so
both
for
the
developer
and
the
architect.
The
the
the
second
floor,
I
believe
the
width
of
the
house
is
about
40
feet,
40
feet
plus
or
minus.
As
far
as
the
streetscape
composition
goes,
did
you
look
at
the
second
story
and
see
if
you
could
create
more
of
a.
N
I
M
Well,
as
we
know,
you
know,
the
architectural
theme
of
mid-century
modern
is
clean,
simple
and
kind
of
timeless,
and
that
is
the
look
if
we
were
breaking
this
up
and
kind
of
doing
some
more
undulation.
With
that
second
floor,
it
would
kind
of
fly
in
the
face
of
of
that
kind
of
blocky
mid-century
concept.
M
I
do
I
do
hear
what
you're
saying
when
you,
when
we
get
to
a
second
floor,
mid-century
typically
was
more
of
a
one-story
with
perhaps
a
a
second
floor
block.
On
top
of
that
one
story,
piece
and
yeah:
the
undulation.
I
Yeah
we
don't
sit,
the
massing
varies
on
the
roof
line,
so
it
sits.
It
sits
back
quite
quite
a
bit.
M
Yeah,
it
sits
back,
that's
the
thing
see:
it
sits
back
20
feet
on
the
garage
side,
it
sits
back
20
feet
and
on
the
over
the
the
kitchen
area,
for
instance
on
plan
two,
that's
back
about
14
feet,
so
there
so
there's
definitely
some
motion
there.
Perhaps
maybe
our
rendering
is,
is
lying
to
us
a
little
bit.
Some.
E
Yeah,
I
appreciate
the
setback.
I
think
20
foot
is
quite
nice,
it's
just
that
is
one
continuous
single
plane.
So
if
it's
shifted,
maybe
one
side
shift
to
15
feet
and
the
other
one
the
other
side
20
feet.
Then
you
have
a
five
foot
surface
change.
M
Correct
yes
right
right
now,
it
is,
it
is
a
a
single
plane
across
the
front
on
the
second
floor
it
does,
it
does
break
from
the
front
of
the
house,
and
that
would
be
possible
if
that's
something
that
we
need
to
to
put
into
the
architecture.
I'm
I'm
not
a
hundred
percent
sure
it
would.
It
would.
I
mean.
M
Yes,
it
is
something
that
we
could
work
on.
I
I
could
push
that
master
bedroom
back
a
little
bit
and
I
think
we
could
still
stack
up
the
way
that
we're
the
house
could
still
work
without
creating
excessive
beaming
to
make
the
house
work.
E
Last
question:
the
the
schemes
four
to
eight
have
more
sort
of
a
fit
arizona,
adobe
color
schemes.
K
E
E
That
these
projects
will
be
built,
you
know
within
a
year
a
year
and
a
half,
so
colors
have
quite
a
bit
evolved
since
the
last
time
this
was
submitted.
M
Yeah,
if
we
want
to
look
at
some
different
colors
and
then
go
through
the
process
of
having
them
reviewed,
that's
absolutely
fine
with
us.
I
just
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
put
words
into
dan's
mouth,
but
I
think
we're
we're
open
to
that.
Absolutely
we
want
to
go
a
little
bit
brighter.
If
we
want
to
go
a
little
bit
more
more
downtown,
we
absolutely
can.
E
And
last
question
for
mr
lee
is:
if,
if
the
building
footprints
were
to
shift
in
order
to
have
a
driveway
apron
for
the
owner's
car
to
park
outside
of
the
driveway,
is
that
a
deal
breaker
for
you.
I
Yeah
this
this
site,
it's
it's
a
very
intricate
site
and
you
know,
does
the
houses
that,
as
we
plotted
these
out
and
trying
to
get
break
and
trying
to
get
nice
side
yard
setbacks
on
a
lot
of
these
houses.
We
worked
quite
extensively
on
on
laying
this
out
that
we
had
some
differentiating
street
scene
and
we
had
some
appropriate
distances
between
the
houses.
So
you
have
to
be
it's
very
difficult
to
move
houses
around
this.
I
This
was
a
very
onerous
process
of
trying
to
lay
the
houses
out
and-
and
you
know,
try
to
figure
out
how
to
create
a
you
know
very
nice
street
scene.
You
know
in
regards
to
you
know
the
elevations.
I
I
think
you
know
moving
bedrooms
and
things
like
that.
Would
you
know
it
we
you
know.
Maybe
what
we
can
do.
Yep
is
look
at
some.
You
know
some
boxing.
I
Just
if
the
massing
is
the
issue,
we
could
do
some
shadow
boxing
on
the
elevation
to
to
change
that
up
a
little
bit
and
and
work.
You
know
work
on
that,
but
I
think
you
know
redesigning
the
in
and
relaying
out
these
houses
we've.
We
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time
and
you
know
trying
to
fit
these
houses
in
these
square
footages,
and
you
know
we,
you
know
we.
I
This
is
kind
of
the
you
know
backwards
a
little
bit
because
we
we
have
full-blown
working
drawings
and
you
know
we
will
be
doing
the
ubc
code
update,
but
you
know
we've.
You
know
we
put
quite
a
bit
of
time
and
effort
into
into
these
plans,
but
we,
you
know
if
you,
if
you'd
like
we
could
look
at
you
know,
maybe
some
shadow
boxing.
E
Mr
lee,
I
appreciate
the
explanation
and
answering
my
question.
Thank
you.
A
A
I
do
think
we
need
to
require
that
this
meets
the
new
building
code
and
the
solar
code,
the
the
updates
but
work
with
commissioner
song
and
the
applicant
on
colors
and
possibly
the
massing
on
the
two
stories.
That's
kind
of
what
would
be
my
suggestion
as
to
where
we
go,
and
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
commission
as
to
whether-
and
this
is
just
before
the
commission
now
I'll,
come
back
to
the
applicant
later
before.
B
Chair,
could
I
interject
before
you
take
comments
from
the
commission?
Yes,
based
on
your
comments
about
wanting
to
continue
the
item,
as
I'm
reviewing
our
sql
analysis
that
has
been
done
and
the
questions
that
have
been
raised.
I
think
that
I
have
a
potential
solution
to
address
the
issue
and
going
back
to
the
text
of
the
coachella
valley,
multiple
species,
habitat
conservation
plan.
B
I
think
your
suggestion
for
a
subcommittee
of
the
planning
commission
to
address
the
items
that
were
brought
up
by
commissioner
song,
particularly
looking
at
the
second
story
of
plan,
two
looking
at
the
color
schemes,
four
through
eight,
I
believe-
were
mentioned
and
then
also
potentially
looking
at
driveways.
B
While
there
is
more
than
adequate
guest
parking
within
the
development.
We've
learned
a
few
things
about
driveways
and
I
think
we
could
work
with
the
applicant
to
address
your
concerns
that
were
brought
up
so
again,
your
suggestions
relative
to
protected
species.
I
think
we
can
deal
with
rather
quickly
and
a
subcommittee
of
the
planning
commission,
I
think,
is
more
than
adequate
to
address
your
design
concerns
which
we
can
work
with
the
applicant.
In
doing
that.
Thank
you.
D
For
me,
the
project
is
is
far
enough
along
and
the
concerns
relatively
easy
to
deal
with
that.
I
don't
think
it
should
come
back
to
us
as
a
commission.
D
I
think
if
you
want
to
establish
a
subcommittee
to
address
the
color
and
some
of
these
massing
issues,
that's
fine,
but
I
would
leave
it
in
the
hands
of
that
subcommittee
to
finalize
any
changes,
and
that
subcommittee
could
include
one
or
two
members
from
aac
I'd
be
happy
to
see
that,
but
as
far
as
coming
back
to
the
commit
and
then
the
habitat
issues,
I
think
staff
has
identified
a
a
way
to
deal
with
that
satisfactory.
D
That
would
identify
any
problems
and
and
whatever
mitigation
would
need
to
take
place.
So
I
I
would
not
be
in
favor
of
having
this
project
come
back
to
the
full
commission,
but
addressing
these
issues
either
through
staff
or
through
a
subcommittee
as
the
final
determination.
J
Lewin,
thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
think
I'm
swayed
by
commissioner
hirschbein's
point
that,
and
I
know
that
staff
can
adequately
look
out
for
endangered
species
using
the
seabag
guidelines.
So
I
think
if
we
went
forward
and
said
approved,
subject
to
the
you
know,
doing
a
look
for
endangered
species
and
having
the
subcommittee
deal
with
the
nuances.
A
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
nuances
first
of
all
for
director
fagg.
Does
that
seem
like
that's
workable,
or
would
you
prefer
it
come
back
to
the
commission.
B
No,
madam
chair,
I
believe
that
is
workable.
I
can
draft
a
condition
for
you
relative
to
the
protected
species,
language
that
we
would
add
to
the
conditions
of
approval,
and
then
should
you
choose
to
approve
this
this
evening.
We
would
add
a
condition
relative
to
a
subcommittee
to
address
specific
issues
that
have
been
identified.
So,
yes,
we
can
do
that
this
evening.
A
B
Yes
and
we
do
have
a
standard
condition
that
does
make
it
subject
to
the
current
building
code.
That's
in
place.
A
The
the
other-
and
I
just
want
to
speak
to
the
colors,
because
I
live
in
a
450
unit-
development,
that's
10
years
old
and
what
I
have
seen
is
colors
significantly
lighten
and
change
from
brown
tones
to
different
tones
over
the
course
of
the
last
10
years,
and
my
first
response
to
this
was
that
the
color
scheme
on
this
was
dated,
especially
the
browns,
so
that
in
dealing
with
the
massing
and
if
the
committee
can
deal
with
some
of
the
the
parking
issues,
I
know
the
commission.
A
I
remember
that
we
formed
a
subcommittee
after
this
project
to
deal
with
wanting
to
have
a
parking,
some
kind
of
parking
apron
in
front
of
the
project
and
made
that
a
sort
of
a
theme
in
the
commission,
but
it
came
after
these
applicants
came
to
us
in
2014..
A
So
so
I
would
like
those
three
issues
addressed.
Are
there
other?
I
guess
three,
architectural
issues.
Are
there
other
issues,
commissioner?
Hirschbein.
D
Yeah
personally,
I'd
be
against
requiring
a
look
at
jigging
the
placement
of
the
units
on
their
exclusive
use-
easements.
I
I
I
think,
that's
gonna,
I
think
kind
of
like
the
aac's
requirement
that
the
raising
cane's
orientation
flip
around
and
then
it
generated
a
whole
bunch
of
other
problems
and
we
went
back
and
looked
at
it
and
then
re-turned
it
around.
D
I
think
doing
that
at
this
late
date
you
know
asking
them
to
come
up
with
an
18-foot
apron
in
front
of
every
single
house
is
going
to
lead
to
those
kind
of
issues,
and
I
I
I
don't
want
to
see
that
happen.
I'm
anxious
for
this
to
go
forward.
I
think
it's
a
worthwhile
project.
I
think
the
city
needs
this
type
of
housing
and
I
I
think,
by
doing
that
by
telling
a
subcommittee
or
staff
that
they
can
look
at
rejigging
where
the
house
sits
on
these
exclusive
use.
Easement
sites
is,
is
gonna.
D
E
Song
there's
the
two
things
that
I
want
to
say,
which
will
cover
commissioner
hirschbein's
comments.
One
is
that
I
am
still
sticking
to
the
point
of
having
a
pedestrian
or
a
bike
connection
to
the
trail,
because
it's
nice
to
have
that
connection
of
this
project.
That's
600
foot
deep,
instead
of
coming
out
back
onto
the
street
I'll,
be
able
to
have
it's
sort
of
its
own
and
special
connection.
E
So
I
would
like
to
still
raise
that
comment
that
I
have.
The
second
is
I
I
respect
the
comment
that
was
made,
but
the
I
believe
the
setbacks
for
this
rg
6,
our
g86
for
side,
yard
or
rear
yard
is
looked
at
at
one
individual
parcel
at
a
time.
In
this
case
there
are
many
parcels,
so
my
sort
of
hybrid
solution
would
be
that
the
units
that
are
located
against
the
north
property
line
and
the
waste
property
line
they
could
reduce
setback
to
15
feet
and
then
therefore
push
the
building
in
each
direction.
E
To
allow
additional
five
feet
on
the
driveway
approach,
I
don't
think
that's
a
major
change.
The
units
that
are
inside
as
far
as
the
housing
neighborhood
is
correct.
It's
very
difficult
to
make
that
work,
but
the
units
that
are
facing
the
north
and
west
property
line,
with
the
exception
of
reducing
the
setback
to
15
feet.
I
believe
it
allows
for
some
of
those
driveways
to
to
have
the
room
to
to
park
the
cars.
E
But
if
you,
if
you
have
been
to
the
the
cv
link
near
in
between
vistacino
and
ramon
there,
there's
levies
and
there's
all
kinds
of
different
level
changes
and
through
rampant
slopes,
actually
it's
it's,
it
could
be
come
back
to
dg.
B
I
I
So,
in
regards
to
moving
the
houses
around
there's
a
perimeter
setback
of
20
feet,
that's
required
on
the
site,
I
think
glenn,
you
know
maybe
glenn
you
can.
You
know,
try
to
address
that
and
then
that
would
have
to
be
a
major
variance
that
would
need
to
be
processed
through
the
city.
In
addition,
though,
the
the
perimeter
does
have
a
a
setback
of
of
20
feet.
I
The
you
know
the
concern,
I
guess
a
trail
implies
exercise
and
people
wanting
to
exercise,
and
I
do
believe
the
accessing
the
trail
on
34th
street
and
the
fact
that
we've
dedicated
a
portion
of
the
property
to
the
trail
system.
I
You
know,
I
I
feel
that
if,
if
people
are
going
to
go,
take
a
walk
on
the
trail,
you
know
walking
an
extra,
you
know
100
or
you
know,
200
feet.
You
know
shouldn't
seem
like
a
a
major
issue
from
that
standpoint
and
and
then
also
the
the
yards
were
also
designed
and
and
we
and
we
laid
it
out
so
and
you
could
see
in
the
exhibit-
and
maybe
the
landscape
architect
could
could
address
this.
I
But
we
tried
to
get
as
many
of
the
lots
as
we
possibly
could
that
where
we
could
have
either
pools
or
spas,
pools
and
spas
or
sp
what
they
call
spools
now,
and
that
was
a
very
strong
marketing
concept.
That's
very
important
for
for
people
out
in
this
community
to
have
that
opportunity
so
moving
the
site
around
and
the
way
it
lays
out.
It's
it's
a
very
intricate
geometry
exercise
that
you
really
have
to
go
through.
G
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
bit
of
dialogue
to
the
slope
that
came
up
as
adding
a
trail
along
that
and
that
slope
is
very,
very
steep
and
it
is
a
minimum
of
a
25
foot.
Elevation
change
from
the
floor
of
where
the
houses
are
to
roughly
the
top
of
the
slope.
It
could
be
a
little
bit
further
could
be
as
much
as
28
foot
elevation
change.
A
The
I'd
like
to
speak
on
that
issue,
I
live
in
a
scene
and
I
live
near
the
cv
link
and
we
have
to
walk
a
mile
to
access
the
link
and
that's
absolutely
fine
everybody
on
their
bike.
Who
does
it
walks
the
mile?
If
you
wanted
to
just
drive
down
there,
you
could
also
do
that.
I
think
I
think,
having
regular
access
points
make
sense
and
breaking
into
it
probably
doesn't
make
sense
for
a
site.
That's
this
small!
A
I
just
from
my
own
experience
of
living
on
the
link.
The
access
at
32nd
street
looks
acceptable
to
me
and
I
don't
I
do
want.
I
do
if
if
the
the
grade
is
as
high
as
25
feet,
is
there
any
anything
that's
going
to
keep
people
who
are
on
that
trail
from
looking
into
people's
yards.
G
I
do
not
know
if
there
are
plans
with
the
cb
link
to
put
in
some
kind
of
screening.
I
do
believe
the
plans
that
were
presented
to
me
do
show
some
kind
of
landscaping
up
on
the
very
top
of
the
slope
next
to
the
trail,
but
that
would
be
a
more
comprehensive
plan
that
we'd
have
to
get
from
cb
link.
But
I
do
believe
there
is
some
screening.
A
C
Do
you
know
if,
if
there's
a
slope,
that's
on
the
the
ramone
cv
link?
Is
there
any
slopes
on
any
of
the
other
cv
links
and
what
are
they.
A
A
B
Madam
share
from
experience
with
my
cycling
group,
the
ramon
end
of
it,
is
more
or
less
the
same
as
the
grade
of
ramon
as
it
starts
up
to
the
bridge,
so
there
it's
about
the
same,
but
there
is
no
direct
access
from
ramon
to
that
end
of
the
trail.
A
So
going
back,
I'm
going
to
try
and
make
the
motion,
so
I
would
probably
not
include
the
seat
link
in
in
a
motion
that
I
made
the
access
to
the
cv
link
because
of
the
sloping
and
because
of
my
experience
flynn.
B
With
the
driveways
again,
I
don't
want
to
make
any
significant
changes
to
the
site
plan,
but
essentially,
what
we've
learned
from
a
number
of
projects
is
where
you
have
a
driveway,
that's
less
than
18
feet
in
length.
Sometimes
you
get
situations
where
individuals
will
try
and
park
in
that,
and
the
vehicle
hangs
out
into
the
the
common
street
or
driveway.
B
So
again,
I
think
that's
something
that
we
can
work
on
in
the
subcommittee
that
wouldn't
entail
a
significant
change,
the
site
plan
and
would
address
some
of
those
concerns
where
you
do
have
people
trying
to
park
in
a
driveway.
That's
too
short.
A
B
Yes,
the
subcommittee
shall
review
driveway
lengths
and,
where
possible,
driveways
of
less
than
18
feet
in
length
shall
be
reduced
to
eight
feet
or
less.
So
that's
the
commission
that
condition
that
I
would
write
for
the
driveways
as
part
of
the
subcommittee
review
again.
We
will
do
that
in
concert
with
the
applicant
so
that
they
can
share
any
issues
in
any
revisions
with
us.
As
we
look
at
that.
A
E
A
So
reviewing
my
motion,
it
would
be
an
approval
subject
to
a
a
secret
or
environmental
condition
that
flynn
will
craft
for
us
now,
possibly.
B
A
B
Condition
that
I
would
add
relative
to
environmental
review
is
that
the
project
is
subject
to
the
coachella
valley,
multiple
species,
habitat
conservation
plan
and
any
avoidance
or
mitigation
measures
identified
in
that
plan
relative
to
protected
species.
I
think
that
condition
is
broad
enough
to
address
the
concerns,
and
so
that
should
be
more
than
adequate.
D
Both
actually,
but
thank
you
so
director
does
that
condition
on
the
sql
business.
Does
that
require
another
site,
analysis
or
site
survey
or.
B
The
project,
no,
it
doesn't
necessarily
require
another
site
survey.
What
it
does
require
them
to
do
is
prior
to
construction.
They
do
need
to
monitor
the
site
for
any
protected
species,
and
then
there
are
certain
mitigation
measures
that
are
identified
in
the
plan
or
protective
measures
identified
in
the
plan
that
they
would
be
subject
to.
D
H
Yeah
we
madame
chair
what
we
might
do,
what
like
we
did
with
another
project
is
prior
to
grading
the
site
that
they
prepare
a
biological
assessment
of
the
property,
if
that
is
what
the
commission
desires,
we've
done
with
that
with
some
other
projects.
Recently,
the
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
the
medical
office
building
on
sunrise.
A
So
if
we
combine
the
two
suggestion
that
it
it
that
they
meet
the
protected
species
plan,
requirements
and
mitigations
and
that
there
be
a
biological
assessment
prior
to
grading,
if
we
added
both
of
those
flynn,
are
you
comfortable
with
that.
B
A
Okay,
commissioner
marouzi,
you
have
comments.
F
H
B
Correct
for
initial
studies,
we
do
have
an
independent
consultant
who
prepares
those.
What
mr
newell
is
talking
about
when
we
do
require
individual
studies
as
part
of
a
construction
permit,
we
have
allowed
the
applicants
to
submit
those.
If
you
would
like
that
to
be
an
independent
survey,
we
can
include
that
in
the
conditioned
language
yeah.
H
And
what
I
would
also
just
add
to
that
by
chamerzy
is
that
biologists
who
are
reviewing
species
in
accordance
with
the
multi-species
habitat
plan
are
required
to
be
approved.
H
F
A
That's
acceptable
to
me,
so
we
have
we're
fairly
close
on
this
motion.
I
have
a
motion
which
would
include
a
condition
that
they
meet
the
environmental
species
plan
and
that
there
be
a
biological
study
prior
to
grading
by
an
independent.
A
A
A
review
of
the
driveways
with
and
flynn
can
probably
restate
any
of
this
better
than
I
can,
but
a
review
looking
at
the
lengths
of
the
driveways,
reducing
those
that
are
less
than
18
feet
to
8
feet
or
less
and
looking
at
the
massing
on
the
second,
the
second
floor,
the
two-story
units
and
looking
at
the
second
floor,
massing
and
plane,
those
being
the
conditions
that
would
be
approval.
A
Okay,
would
someone
else
like
to
be
the
maker
of
the
motion,
since
we
have
commissioner,
her
spines
was
also
offered
second
I'll
stay
as
maker.
Commissioner,
song
will
be
the
second.
Can
we
do
that
and
then
I
think
we
need
to
appoint
the
subcommittee.
Does
that
need
to
be
a
piece
of
the.
A
I
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
thoughtful
consideration.
Just
just
as
a
side
note
we
we
had
planned
on
it,
but,
prior
as
part
of
the
federal
endangered
species,
act,
you're
required
to
go
out
and
do
surveys
prior
to
grading
on.
I
You
know,
regardless
of
what
sql
is
the
federal
species
and
part
of
what
the
mshcp
requires
is
that
you
do
a
a
current
biological
assessment
prior
to
any
grading
activities
which
we
do
in
in
in
the
normal
course
of
business,
so
that
you
know
that's
and
most
common
out
here
is
the
burrowing
owl,
which
you
know
I
know
was
addressed
in
and
there's
a
protocol
that
was
developed
in
2012
on
on
how
to
handle
those
and
when,
when
there's
when
their
egg
laying
seasons
are,
and
so
all
of
that
is,
is
completely
reasonable,
and
you
know
we.
I
A
Thank
you,
we
have
do.
Are
there
any
comments
on
the
motion?
C
D
D
Yes,
chair
vice
chairman
rudzi.
F
A
And
we
have
that
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you
very
much
and
why
don't
we
talk
to
see
if
there
are
any
volunteers
to
be
on
the
subcommittee
from
this
commission?
A
I
think
that
flynn
do
you
think
we
need
to
include
two
members
from
the
aac
or
is
the
chair
sufficient?
I.
A
That's
what
we've
typically
done,
I
agree
to
both
and
is
there
another
person
from
this
committee
who
would
like
to
be
on
that
subcommittee
either
commissioner
hershbein
or
commissioner
merwitzy?
Would
you
like
to
volunteer.
D
My
preference
is
to
have
a
third
member
join
from
a
second
member
from
aac
joined,
to
make
up
the
three-member
group.
I
think
aac
members
have
a
a
a
better
understanding
of
some
of
these
issues.
A
I
A
A
J
A
Thank
you
we'll.
We
will
come
back
at
7.
A
A
N
N
Yes,
excellent?
Okay!
Thank
you.
Everyone.
I
have
two
brief
points
to
make
before
I
jump
into
the
guts
of
this.
First
of
all,
thank
you
to
jim
cross
of
best
science,
who
has
worked
tirelessly
with
me
to
hone
this
and
get
it
in
an
easy
to
understand
condition
for
you.
The
second
thing
I
want
to
note
is
that,
in
my
staff
report
there
is
mention
of
a
vertically
oriented
building
identification
blade
sign.
N
N
So
this
is
an
amendment
to
a
sign
program
that
was
initially
approved
in
2016..
N
I
want
to
briefly
for
some
of
the
new
members
of
the
planning
commission,
explain
the
purpose
of
a
sign
program:
it's
to
establish
a
unified,
harmonious
approach
to
signage
for
multi-tenant
buildings,
to
deviate
as
little
as
possible
from
the
basic
provisions
of
the
sign
ordinance
to
resolve
any
visibility.
Problems
caused
by
the
physical
characteristics
of
the
building
to
provide
an
easy
to
follow.
N
So
the
original
sign
program
originally
provided
signage
needs
for
the
first
floor,
tenants
it
was
including
a
building
pedestrian
directory.
That's
two
foot
by
three
foot
on
the
south
elevation
and
the
general
scope
of
the
project
was
to
allow
signage
larger
than
otherwise
permitted
by
the
sign
ordinance.
N
N
So
here's
a
couple
of
indicate
elevations
and
images
of
the
building,
this
particular
topmost
image
is
the
east
or
palm
canyon
drive
frontage
and
the
two
colored
photographs
at
the
bottom
here
show
the
east
elevation
and
it
shows
the
north
and
east
elevation,
and
I
would
point
your
attention
right
in
this
little
area
right
here.
If
you
can
see
my
hand
on
my
screen,
there's
a
little
orange
sign
there,
which
is
where
one
of
the
new
signs
will
be
proposed
for
the
third
floor
tenant.
N
N
This
is
the
east,
I'm
sorry,
the
west
elevation
of
the
building.
There
is
essentially
no
change
here.
The
one
item
that's
being
introduced
will
be
in
this
particular
location.
At
the
doorway
that
goes
up
to
the
stairway
for
the
third
floor.
There
will
be
a
blade
sign
there
that
will
be
dedicated
for
that
third
floor
tenant.
N
Generally
speaking,
when
assigned
permit
comes
in
after
this
gets
approved,
it
will
come
in
and
we
will
show
the
exact
dimensions
in
the
exact
text
and
so
on
for
that
specific
tenant.
In
this
case,
it's
the
company
use
cap
that
will
be
taking
on
the
entire
third
floor.
N
Okay,
so
I
want
to
go
back
and
just
talk
briefly
about
the
couple
of
deviations
that
are
necessary
to
make
this
sign
program
work
effectively
on
this
building
and
primarily
the
place
where
the
deviation
is
necessary
is
at
the
north
elevation
and
it's
needed
because
of
the
configuration
of
the
windows.
N
As
you
see
on
this,
drawing
the
windows
on
the
north
elevation
prevent
that
third
floor
tenant
sign
from
conforming
with
the
code
required
maximum
height
of
28
feet
on
the
south
side
of
the
building
that
dimensional
height
limit
can
easily
be
achieved
and
there's
no
need
for
deviation
there.
So
the
real
deviation
is
being
requested
here
within
the
sign
program,
from
the
basic
components
of
the
basic
sign.
Ordinance
is
the
height
of
that
north
side.
Sign
the
staff
report
goes
through
some
of
the
general
characteristics
of
the
project.
N
N
It's
consistent
with
recent
approvals
for
signed
programs
on
adjacent
buildings
and
the
standardizing
area
and
letter
height
parameters
that
that
jim
and
the
applicant
have
been
able
to
pull
together
for
us
is
going
to
make
both
canopy
and
wall
signs
a
lot
more
efficient
and
accurate
for
the
staff
at
the
counter
to
be
approving
those
assigned
permits
in
the
future.
N
N
We're
asking
you
to
approve
the
actual
amendment
to
the
sign
program,
so
you
don't
need
to
worry
about
anything
in
the
particulars
of
the
color
or
anything
like
that
about
the
proposed
sign
for
the
third
floor.
All
we're
really
looking
for
you
to
do
is
to
approve
the
parameters
of
the
sign
program,
which
is
the
higher
than
otherwise
allowed
sign
on
the
north
elevation.
N
So
it
would
be
32
feet
to
the
top
of
that
sign,
rather
than
28
feet
and
the
height
of
all
the
sign
letters
on
excuse
me,
the
height
of
all
the
letters
on
the
signs
on
the
canopy
will
be
24
inches,
which
will
also
be
what
the
maximum
height
is
for
letters
on
the
two
wall
signs
for
the
third
floor,
and
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
in
terms
of
the
simplicity
of
this
sine
program
and
its
consistency
with
the
sine
ordinance.
So
those
are
really
the
the
basic
parameters
of
the
amendment.
N
C
So
the
there
was
a
mention
of
three
times
larger
than
any
other.
What
what?
What
was
that?
The
the
vertical
sign
that
you
guys
removed.
D
Okay,
going
back
to
the
sign
on
the
side
of
the
building
south
and
north
side,
so
I'm
not
aware
of
any
third
floor,
tenants
or
second
floor
tenants
in
palm
springs.
It
has
signage
plastered
on
the
side
of
buildings.
Is
this
unique
or
there
are
other
examples
of
that.
N
B
I'll
just
jump
in
here,
the
sun
center
is
one
that
comes
to
mind
on
south
palm
canyon,
where
modern
home
is
and
revivals,
which
has
a
two-story
component
with
signage
on
the
second
story
and
then
also
where
the
regal
nine
cinemas
is
on
chocolates
canyon.
We
do
have
some
second
story,
signage
on
that
building
as
well.
Those
are
two
that
come
to
my
mind.
N
The
other
one
that
just
came
to
my
mind
is
the
the
building
that
used
to
have
the
chop
house
in
it.
That
has
a
second
floor.
Restaurant
I'm
drawing
a
blank
right
now
on.
N
That's
correct:
when
you're
looking
at
a
generic
sign
program,
we're
trying
to
show
the
maximum
area
that
a
sign
might
be.
That
doesn't
mean
that
every
sign
would
be
that
large,
but
it
could
be
up
to
that
maximum.
No.
D
I
I
get
that,
but
but
you've
actually
or
the
applicant
has
actually
rendered
in
the
sign
itself
on
those
photo
montages.
Does
that
sign
size
represent
the
maximum
size
that
this
amendment
would
allow.
D
Okay,
so
this
is
less
than
50
square
feet
that
they've
rendered
yeah,
okay
and
and
going
back
to
where
you
talk
about
canopy
and
wall
signs
being
standardized,
but
aren't
they
getting
bigger?
Also.
N
N
D
D
So
there's
a
current
sign
program
with
specific
heights
maximum
heights
for
canopy
and
wall
signs
in
the
program
currently
correct,
right
and-
and
the
amendment
allows
for
signs
larger
than
that.
Is
that
correct?
That's,
correct?
Okay,
and
what
is
the
rationale
for
allowing
larger
signs.
N
Most
all
of
the
buildings
that
are
part
of
the
new
downtown
project
have
signs
that
are
larger
than
what
are
otherwise
permitted
by
the
downtown
sign,
ordinance
and
so
you're
really
kind
of
seeing
a
trend
that,
as
these
buildings
have
been
generally
larger
in
their
volume
and
have
picked
up
a
number
of
national
recognized
chain
stores,
and
so
on
that
their
signage
has
also
been
allowed
to
be
larger
than
what
is
otherwise
permitted
in
the
downtown.
N
D
Then,
what's
in
the
in
the
signage
program.
D
You
you're
asking
us
to
approve
an
amendment
that
increases
the
size
of
signage
on
canopies
and
walls
correct
mike.
I
want
to
know
what
the
justification
for
that
is,
and
I
I
I
thought
you
were
saying
it's
because
signs
bigger
than
what
the
current
signage
program
allows
have
been
installed.
Is
that
correct.
N
N
Rationale
for
that
is
that
most
of
the
recent
signs
that
have
been
approved
on
the
canopy
of
this
building
have
been
approved
at
24
inches,
partly
that's
because
some
of
those
west
elm
signs
were
identified
in
the
original
sign
program
as
being
20.
I
think
22
or
24
inches,
so
they
started
to
become
a
consistency
with
the
signs
that
got
permitted
on
this
building
to
be
24
inches
so
really
what's
happening
is
the
dart
has
been
thrown
and
we're
now
drawing
the
circle
around
it
saying
that's
the
maximum
that
we
should
do
on
this
building.
N
N
It's
consistent
with
the
basic
sign
ordinance,
so
the
basic
sign
ordinance
allows
one
square
foot
of
sign
area
per
lineal
per
lineal
foot
of
tenant
frontage.
When
you
look
at
signs
on
canopies,
they
also
have
a
restriction
or
a
limitation
or
constraint
on
them
by
the
basic
sign
ordinance
of
not
being
greater
than
I
believe
it's
30
percent
of
the
tenant
frontage.
N
D
N
The
current
sign
program
deviates
somewhat
from
that.
What
this
is
trying
to
do
is
bring
it
more
closer
into
conformance
with
the
sign
ordinance.
N
Current
sign
program
doesn't
include
the
direct
language
that
comes
out
of
the
sign
ordinance,
so
it
talks
about
the
height
of
letters
on
the
canopy
signs,
but
it
doesn't
include
the
direction
or
the
guidance
in
terms
of
its
length.
So
if
you've
got
a
tenant
space,
that's
a
certain
length.
The
sign
ordinance
says
that
sign
on
that
canopy
can
only
be
30
percent
of
the
total
length
of
the
tenant
space.
The
previous
ordinance
that
was
done
in
2016
didn't
have
that
exact
language.
D
N
As
long
as
they're
channel
cut
letters,
they
cannot
do
cabinet
signs
or
box
signs,
but
they
can
do
either
channel
cut
letters
that
are
either
face.
Illuminated
or
backlit.
D
Okay,
and
and
could
we
modify
that
and
say
it
could
only
be
channel
halo,
lit
and
not
facelit.
A
D
Yeah
I'd
like
to
limit
those
signs
on
the
the
high
signs,
the
ones
on
the
north
and
south
to
halo
lid.
Only
and
that's
if
you
look
at
the
rowan
that
that
has
a
halo
lit
letter.
So
it's
not
a
plex
face
letter.
It's
it's
just
a
more
attractive
kind
of
more
subtle
but
very
legible
letter.
A
Can
I
just
ask
a
question
of
direct
of
our
planning
director,
I
believe
at
one
point
we
required
halo
lit
letters
and
it
went
to
city
council
and
it
got
overturned.
B
H
C
Michael
michael,
I
guess
I
have
a
question:
what's
the
difference
between
the
two
you
said
the
rowan,
can
you
give
an
example
of
the
other
difference
between
the
two
another
building?
That's
maybe
downtown.
N
D
D
A
K
Yes,
thank
you
very
much
good
evening
everybody.
I
can.
Yes
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
of
the
building
owner,
I
can
assure
you
that
we
have
no
problem
making
those
making
the
the
the
wording
for
the
sign
program
amendment
for
the
for
this,
for
this
third
level
signage,
to
be
a
reverse
illuminated
letters,
obviously
that
wouldn't
apply
to
any
of
the
first
level
tenants.
K
This
tenant
has
got
a
10
year
lease
and
we'll
have
another
10
years
beyond
that,
I'm
58
the
chances
of
this
coming
up
again,
I'm
going
to
be
78,
so
I'm
good
with
this
being
a
reverse
letter.
In
fact
it
was.
It
was
suggested
by
the
by
the
building
owner
because
they
did
not
want
to
have
any
kind
of
glow
affecting
anybody
staying
in
the
in
the
hyatt
that
might
step
out
onto
their
to
their
balconies.
So
a
reverse
letter
for
the
for
this
level,
signage
would
be
perfectly
acceptable.
K
Tenants
yeah,
there
won't
be
any
more
tenants.
I
think
that
one
thing
that's
unique
about
this
tenant
is
that
they're
taking
the
entire
third
level
18
000
feet,
they
will
be
the
single
largest
tenant
in
the
city
of
downtown
palm
springs.
E
Sorry
this
is
kind
of
a
delayed
question,
but
can
did
you
say
that
the
west
elm
signage
is
at
24
inches
high?
Currently.
N
N
And
I
think,
what's
helpful
and
when
you're
looking
at
the
signage,
that's
out
there
for
blaze,
pizza
and
banyan
de
ville
and
the
other
stuff,
that's
on
the
east
elevation
it's
around
22
to
24
inches!
That's
why
we
chose
that
dimension
because
it
was
already
an
established
height
on
this
building.
That
seems
to
make
sense.
E
Yes,
I
remember
having
this
discussion
between
18
20
20
to
24
inches.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
So,
commissioner,
hirschbein
your
motion
is
to
approve
the
sign.
The
changes
to
the
sign
program
with
the
one
amendment
that
it's
the
letters
are
reverse
illumination
or
halo
letters
only.
A
On
the
two
sides
on
the
north
and
south
side
of
the
buildings.
D
C
So
what
would
that
be?
Would
that
be
on
all
of
the
projects
going
forward
or
just
for
this
specific
one.
A
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
commissioner,
hirschbein.
D
C
A
Vice
chairman
rudzi,
yes
and
sharework,
yes,
thank
you.
Motion
passes
unanimously.
Thank
you,
mr
cross.
K
A
Okay,
planning,
commission
reports,
requests
and
comments.
D
Thank
you.
This
is
a
comment
that
I
thought
a
lot
about
in
the
last
week
and
a
half
or
two
weeks,
and
it's
kind
of
with
a
heavy
heart
that
I'm
saying
this
and
I'm
going
to
start
out
by
saying
in
the
past
either
an
aac
or
planning
commission
over
these
years.
D
D
Council
approved
it
and
the
analysis
by
staff
that
a
secured
locked
and
facility
inside
of
a
condo
being
the
lobby
and
some
common
area,
lounges
and
so
forth,
qualifies
a
semi-public
or
public
use
under
the
spirit
and
the
and
the
wording
of
the
downtown
specific
plan
and-
and
I
believe
that
analysis
was
made
in
in
an
attempt
to
get
the
project
approved
without
really
considering
the
implication
of
what
it
means
to
gut
a
specific
plan
like
that.
D
Because
if
you
can
interpret
a
secured
lobby
as
a
semi-public
use,
then
you
can
construe
anything
to
mean
anything
else.
And
you
know
we've
seen
in
recent
political
history
that
that
words
have
meaning
and
and
when
you
start
messing
around
with
the
meanings
of
words,
the
consequences
unintended
or
intended
may
not
be
known.
D
D
Guide
us
in
in
analyzing
projects
and
and
and
to
write
a
report,
that's
not
biased,
to
trying
to
get
something
approved
by
manipulating
the
meaning
of
words
and
and
it
calls
it.
It
calls
into
question
my
reliance
on
staff
to
do
that,
and-
and-
and
I
would
just
say
in
closing
to
my
other
commissioners
and
and
to
aac
that
I
I
think
you
I
think
we
need
to
be
more
critical.
D
We
have
to
look
at
the
staff
reports
with
a
more
critical
eye
than
I
thought
we
needed
to,
and
and
and
to
not
necessarily
take
for
granted
that
what's
presented
to
us
represents
what
we
should
be
should
be
our
analysis
of
it.
Our
analysis
should
be
independent
of
what
the
staff
is
presenting
and
again
it's
with
a
heavy
heart.
D
I
say
this
because
I
like
staff,
I
think,
they're
very
hard
working,
but
I
think
that
manipulating
word
meanings
like
that
is
a
slippery
slope
and
it
could
lead
to
some
unintended
consequences
down
the
road.
A
I
want
to
say
that
I
was,
I
don't
know
if
I
would
go
as
far
as
you,
but
I
was
shocked
when
staff
analysis
came
out,
that
the
ground
floor
of
that
project
was
67
percent
retail
and
in
that
inclusion
and
the
lack
of
an
inclusion
of
market
street
and
especially
as
that
hadn't
been
presented
to
us
in
our
discussion
of
it.
I
was
surprised
that
it
came
up
at
council
and
I
actually
have
discussed
that
with
staff
previous
to
saying
this
tonight.
It.
A
A
A
F
F
A
F
A
E
So
in
the
situation
that
that
did
not
meet
the
specific
plan
in
the
applicant,
whoever
the
applicant
is
will
bring
something
that
does
not
meet.
They
will
have
to
invest
on
a
new
specific
plan
that
the
city
will
be
agreeable
to
do,
or
they
will
have
to
do
a
variance
and
therefore
put
in
public
what
is
not
meeting
and
what
they're
proposing
need
different.
E
In
other
words,
if
the
applicant,
where
not
to
follow
the
specific
plan
and
then
propose
a
new
project
that
is
different
to
the
specific
plan,
how?
How
would
that
present?
How
that
project
will
come
to
us
you
wouldn't
at
all,
because
it
doesn't
need
a
specific
plan.
A
I
guess
my
sense
was:
it
was
the
council's
decision
as
to
whether
they
interpreted
it
to
meet
the
specific
plan
or
not
that
that's
what
they're
paying
being
paid
the
large
dollars
to
do,
and
they
did
take
a
vote.
K
C
Was
was
this
a
an
approval,
approval
or
a
denial
that
I
wasn't
president.
A
You
were
present,
we
denied
the
we
denied
the
the
condo
building
on
the
virgin
hotel
site
across
from
the
park.
I
A
And
I
think
we
were
5-0
that
it
didn't
meet
the
specific
plan
requirements
because
of
the
ground
floor
configuration.
Although
we
split
on
the
architecture-
and
we
were
a
denial
on
both
and
at
city
council.
Their
vote
was
5-0
for
the
architecture
and
2-3
that
it
did
meet
the
specific
plan
requirements
for
the
ground
floor
so
that
they
met.
C
A
So
it's
you
know,
I
don't
think
we
really
discussed
the
standard.
The
standard
got
raised
at
city
council
by
staff,
which
was
a
standard
that
hadn't
been
discussed
with
us,
which
was
50
percent
of
if
50
of
the
ground
floor
was
retail,
it
met
the
specific
plan
requirements
and
in
that
they
counted
the
indoor
lobby
and
community
space
that
was
closed
on
the
ground
floor
and
didn't
count
some
of
the
sp
the
spaces
on
market
street,
because
that's
not
deemed
as
a
street.
A
C
A
They
took
out
the
bike
storage
that
was
going
to
be
on
the
is
it
andre,
I'm
not
sure
what
street
it
is,
the
not
the
museum
way
but
the
the
sec
other
street.
They
increased
the
retail
on
that
street
when
it
went
to
city
council,
so
the
city
council
decision
was
to
send
it
back
to
aac
for
enlivening
activating
the
street
on
all
four
sides
and
to
have
that
happen
before
it
got.
A
I
guess
went
through
building
approval,
but
it
was
approved
as
presented.
Yes,
vice
chairman
ruth,
say.
F
For
the
vacant
rehearsal,
this
the
art
pit,
which
I
assume
someday,
will
have
a
proposed
project
associated
with
it
would
when
would
be
the
appropriate
time
for
the
council
to
revisit
the
specific
plan,
because
this
issue
will
come
up
again.
There's
a
lot
of
street
frontage
along
museum
way
where
the
art
pit
is
so.
This
is
going
to
come
up
again
and
there
was
some
discussion
by
council
that
maybe
they
do
need
to
re
reevaluate
the
specific
plan.
So
it
should
probably
be
better
that
that
happened
before
a
project
is
proposed.
F
Is
there
some
discussion
of
re-examining
the
specific
plan?
F
F
Is
there
any
any
discussion
at
all
of
something
going
into
that
art
pit
in
the
near
future?
Any
any
proposed
projects
of
any
sort
that
we're
thinking
of.
A
G
A
He
talked
about
two
different
scenarios:
a
lower
lower
housing
project
like
something
like
we
saw
from
mark
rios
or
something
higher
that
might
extend
over
the
parking
structure.
That
would
include
workforce
housing,
but
I
think
it's
in
the
idea
stage.
Right
now.
M
F
Tova
I'd
like
to
find
out
where
we
stand
it's
in
the
city,
attorney's
lap
and
then
where
is
there
a
lawsuit
going
on
or
I
think,
there's
a
bankruptcy
involved
now?
Is
there
any
update.
G
I'm
sorry
to
say,
commissioner,
I
do
not
personally
have
any
additional
updates
on
tovah.
I
meant
to
get
to
that
earlier
today.
But
one
of
the
projects
on
our
hearing
today
or
our
meeting
today
took
precedence.
I
can
get
more
information
and
let
you
guys
know
later,
I
can
send
an
email.
F
A
It
might
be
get
an
update
on
all
four
of
our
hotel
projects,
the
three
that
are
half
complete,
one
that
is
entitled
but
sitting
there.
F
A
Before
we
do,
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
did
get
asked.
Actually.
I
got
some
very
constructive
criticism
at
the
study
session
that
I
hadn't
paid
attention
to
time
and
that
some
of
the
commissioners
were
shortchanged
in
their
comments,
and
I
apologize
for
that.
I
will
try
and
keep
a
better
view
on
time
in
the
future
and
probably
will
need
to
ask
staff
to
have
slightly
longer
study
sessions
so
that
we
make
sure
we
actually
deal
with
everybody's
comments.
A
I
think
we
could
have
used
at
least
an
extra
half
hour
and
I
just
apologized
for
not
handling
it.
That
well.
A
This
meeting
is
adjourned.
Until
do
we
have
a
date
in
february.