City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Audit Committee, 11 May 2022

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5.11.2022 Audit Committee

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Okay, thank you, I'm chairman white, and I'm calling to order. The audit committee.

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For may 11th 2022 at 10 a.m. With a public meeting session, I'd like to take roll call.

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Please so, mr tabor, I'm here miss cook here, mr lynch, here.

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And I know that uh hawk furman is his wife has coveted so he's absent.

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And stan woodland here- and I am also here.

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But my pen isn't working.

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It's not working again.

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And we don't have anyone on zoom one person.

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We know who's there, I can. We can ask the person to unmute lisa liza rather.

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Yeah, okay, do you want me to ask hi liza hi good morning.

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um So I'd like to go to the third item on the agenda, please the approval of the.

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Public session minutes for february, 8th and 15th can I get a motion please to approve.

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Some motion to approve those minutes and the second I'll. Second, any discussion.

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All in favor aye hi all right. Thank you.

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So I'd like to get an update, please from attorney woodland on the status of the.

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Contract negotiations for the 2022 auditor sure uh the city of portsmouth has entered into.

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A one-year agreement with malanson for purposes of both the non-attest and the audit services.

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And may I ask the date of the contract, I believe it is dated last friday may 5th yep. Okay, thank you.

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um Before we go to uh oh chairman white, one question: so did the.

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Final cost on the not a test service has come down, so the final contract amount- and I.

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Apologize for not bringing it with me uh was, I want to say it was 77 000.

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No, I don't remember, I don't have that contract in front of me, but if you give me a minute, I can.

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Pull it up, but it was the five thousand dollars for the non-attest services. Basically, as yeah.

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Any other questions.

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So what I'd like to do is to just go through a public statement.

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And uh in essence, uh this meeting concludes a 12-month uh I wrote down in my notes, odyssey of.

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A 12-month effort to bring the city of portsmouth into alignment with the city charter, section 7.4.

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This committee's work started in may of 2021 as the mayor's blue ribbon audit committee and truly.

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Thanks to the heroic efforts of its former chair, peter huda and several city councilors last year,.

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Ordinance one spot 414 was passed. Establishing the new audit committee in september of 2021.

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The new auto committee's work started in earnest in early december.

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2021, the new committee's charter was written and adopted, something that we would recommend for.

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Many new committees in the city, I think it's a very helpful exercise.

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And but importantly, the audit committee spent the first two weeks of december drafting its.

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Request for proposal, its rfp accomplished several goals, soliciting separate bids for non-attest and.

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Audit services requesting that proposers submit separate bid amounts to promote competition.

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And establishing the audit committee as the supervisory body for managing both an auto.

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And audit work, while these attributes may have been a bridge too far for city management,.

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They are essential if the audit of the city's financial statements.

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Are to be truly independent, as required by the city charter.

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At the last minute, at the december 15 audit committee meeting the deputy city attorney.

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Suzanne woodland presented a redline version of the audit committee draft rfp.

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In her alternative, the city appointed melanson to conduct the non-attest services at an unknown.

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Price and with unknown terms, created competitive bidding for only the audit work and removed the.

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Audit committee, from any supervisory role in the audit, further progress toward the city audit.

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Being independent was truly lost, the audit committee was informed.

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That its version was relegated to the dustbin and the city's version would stand.

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The city's purchasing manual states that any vendor whose work cost 10 000 or more would.

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Be subject to a competitive bid process such as an rfp attorney, woodland has said that that.

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Limit now stands at over eighteen thousand dollars for professional services. The audit.

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Committee has repeatedly asked for supporting documentation of this number, so we could better.

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Understand the bidding process today, the audit committee has yet to receive this information.

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A february 18 22 memo from malanson to attorney woodland states that the nano test services done.

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On a standalone basis would cost the city twenty five thousand dollars, but melanson.

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States that if those same non-test services were conducted as part of the audit services.

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The cost would remarkably fall to only five thousand dollars. Cla had estimated to me last fall.

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That its standalone nanotech services would be between ten thousand and twelve thousand.

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Dollars upon reflection, I would characterize mellinson's 25 000 bid as extortionate.

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The city written rfp that was issued on december 16th following the audit committee.

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Meeting on the 15th introduced significant complications to the bidding process.

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Gone was the chance to gather competitive bids for the nanotech services.

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By appointing melanson to do the non-test services without knowing how much malanson would charge.

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Attorney woodland exposed the city to work costing potentially more than even the 18 thousand dollar.

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Limit for professional services, it was an untenable situation, because the city hadn't issued.

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An rfp for nanotest services, it forced the city's hand, either require malanson to lower its fee.

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From twenty five thousand to eighteen thousand or give milanson the entire.

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Audit and not a test services contract is not a surprise how the city decided to proceed.

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Call the entire rfp process invalid and award melanson the audit contract for one more year.

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The city had to create a distraction to invalidate the process. Yes, the rp was clearly at fault, but.

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That alone would call into question the city's interference in the rfp process on december 15..

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There had to be something more claiming that the audit committee had violated procedures.

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By texting, cla was the perfect solution that was the one process violation necessary to.

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Support the city council's claim on march 21 that the audit committee was at fault.

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And that, therefore, the entire search effort was problematic and invalid.

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First things: first, I was the one to text cla, it wasn't the committee. If you were to read my.

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Text you would see that I asked chris rogers of cla if he could present to the committee.

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As a whole, the clas amended proposal cost for conducting both the non-test services and the.

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Audit, I specifically told mr rogers: I wanted him to respond to the committee, not to me. I asked.

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That he'd be available for a conference call with the committee at 10 a.m. On february, 20th.

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Excuse me: 24th have provided the text correspondence to the city council.

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The mayor and city management.

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Now I would like to read to you my attorney's response.

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To this situation, which was given to attorney sullivan and attorney woodland on april 18th,.

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Based on my understanding, my attorney wrote mr white reached out to a prospective bidder to.

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Ensure that the bidder provided a timely and thorough estimate to the city of portsmouth.

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By a date, certain mr white also informed the bidder that they would be interviewed by the.

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Audit committee on february 24th, this does not constitute a flaw, as was suggested in councillor.

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Tabor's city council comments on march 21st. On the contrary, it enhances the likelihood that a.

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Qualified bidder provides timely and thorough information, so the city can make an informed.

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Decision, in fact, what appears to be flawed is the use of an innocuous communication regarding an.

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Information deadline as a pretext to discard the bidding process and award the contract to molassen.

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Is also worth noting that during the january 25 audit committee meeting deputy city attorney.

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Suzanne woodland did not prohibit mr white from contacting prospective bidders she she simply.

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Stated that the bidder had to come before the whole committee for an interview, this instruction.

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Was never undermined or compromised in any way. That's the end of my attorney's statement. It has.

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Been my experience as a member of the mayor's blue ribbon audit committee and then, as chair of the.

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Audit committee, that time and again the city has worked against the audit committee's efforts to.

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Make the audit of the city's finances to be more independent attorney, woodland's role in the audit.

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Committee has been problematic from the beginning since she was never appointed to serve. It should.

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Have been the city manager if attorney woodland had to be on the committee, her role should have.

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Been to only advise the committee too often, in my opinion, she went beyond this to direct our work.

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There is much more here than what I can divulge due to restrictions on non-public information.

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The contract with melanson was signed on may 6 and the rfp of december.

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16 21 has been withdrawn, so that would suggest that any material still held and non as non-public.

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By the audit committee or the city council should be made public until that happens, the public can.

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Only guess as to why this process went so badly off the rails. Perhaps one reason is that if flack.

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Is heaviest as one approaches the target? The audit committee must have gotten threateningly close.

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So now I would like to open it up to public comments. Please.

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Teacher huda, 280 south street, I would like to share, and I would like to put this on in the.

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Public record that I do have the audit contract that was signed on 5 6 pursuant to a right to.

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Know that I filed, I filed two right to knows one on march march: 14th for the nanotest services.

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My assumption was that the not a test services uh contract would have been signed.

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uh Per the verbal agreement that was discussed in the 12 15 12 16 meeting.

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For 2021, my response from attorney woodland was that they did not have that.

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Information at that time, I also put in a right to know.

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On the anniversary date of the approval by the council of melon, and I would like to read that.

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Into the record, this is to attorney sullivan a month ago today, the vote for the selection.

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Of the fy 22, auto firm was taken to the by the city council at the march 22 council meeting. So.

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The documents I am requesting below should be available to the public. Therefore, pursuant to.

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Right to know 91a, I am requesting public access within five days to the governmental records.

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Described below this is also in accordance with rfp 2022 page two, which states proposals submitted.

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Will be available for the public to review as may be required by new hampshire, rsa.

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91 after the competitive selection process is complete, which it was concluding with a contract.

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And, or a rejection of all proposals, my request was for all all proposals submitted in response to rfp.

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2022, I also requested the audit firm that the audit committee had voted on.

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uh Voted to recommend to the city council, a written executed, signed contract and all addendums.

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And attachments, including the agreed-upon costs for the fy 22 audit services, the written executed.

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Signed contract and all addendums and attachments, including the agreement upon cost for the fy 22.

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And not a test services, as my assumption was per the rfp, that this was going to be done separate.

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I had I had no information about your non-public sessions, rightfully so.

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The and in asking for the nano test services, as described in the posting of the rfp, I.

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I quoted the statement made in the meeting. It is anticipated in the rfp. It is anticipated.

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That melinson will continue to assist the city in the preparation of the financial statements.

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And supplementary information and compliance reports and the city's award-winning gfoa.

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Report next thing I asked for was the additional rfp addendum and responses to that addendum.

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Including the bid amount by the proposers for the non-attest services as referenced by councillor.

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Taber at the 321-222 council meeting, as he said, the we, the audit committee, had to go back to the.

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Proposer for an estimate to not assess services per the purchasing manual, the required process.

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As defined on page 10 number four states if there is any if there is a necessary change.

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To specifications after the bid process has been published and mailed bidders will be notified by.

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Issuance of an addendum any such addendum will be prepared by the using department and forwarded to.

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The purchasing department to be mailed or faxed to the bidders of the original list.

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At this time there is no addendum referencing rfp 2022, not as test services.

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On the city bid site.

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I also asked for a written notification of the proposer that did not was not selected.

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So to update everyone, I have received all the proposals and viewed them yesterday.

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As as requested, I have not, I have discussed with uh the city attorney on the uh getting.

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The just all I wanted to know was who was who was voted by the audit committee to be the auditor.

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I have received the executed contract. I will happily share this with everybody.

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As I guess, city staff has failed to share with you guys, which is kind of amazing. um I have also.

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This this also includes the nana test services and in response to the supplementary information.

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I received the email, a copy of the emails both to cla chris rogers and melinson.

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The one to chris rogers is dated february 23rd, and the one to alina corsect is dated the 18th.

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As mentioned by the chair, um I find it very interesting, to say the least, that.

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Melonson would propose a higher amount if they didn't get the services.

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Than if they did and that's all I have to say about that.

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The other thing um in the contract is to answer.

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The question of mr lynch in the back of the contract, the total amount at the end was 75 000.

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And in reviewing the bids that came in yesterday, this was very close to the to the bid of cla.

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Also in reviewing the proposals yesterday, I found it very interesting. um I have no idea.

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uh How these proposals were evaluated, but the first thing that came to my mind when I looked at.

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A comparison between melonson and cla is cla had used all cpas in doing their doing all.

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Their work and melonson is not, and um from an accounting perspective and and somebody who's.

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Gone through this um previously, that's that's kind of a big deal. You want to get as much uh certified.

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People on your job as possible, so that would uh that would probably be one of my questions but.

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I would, I would happily share the contract with the committee, whom I would have anticipated the.

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Staff would have provided today. That's all I have to say. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Any other comments, peter.

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Yeah peter whalen. I live at 100 gate street. um I'm here to support the the committee.

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I was one of the counselors that voted in creating the audit committee and it was, we went.

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Through many iterations of it, I want to compliment chris white and the members of the committee for.

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Stepping forward and spending a lot of time and effort to make this happen.

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I'm severely disappointed in the city and our counselors that sit on this committee to allow.

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What has happened to happen? We have um we've had the same auditor for 25 years.

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It needs to change, I believe a vote was taken, I'm assuming I don't know. If that's public or not.

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To probably award the contract to a new auditor.

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But as a resident of portsmouth and one who's very concerned in transparency, what I think.

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Happened was an abomination. It was terrible. This never should have happened in the city.

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You know where there's smoke there's fire. I hope that if a new auditor comes in, he does.

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A forensic audit going back 10 years, let's look at the books and and look at everything.

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um I was very disappointed that counselors.

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Essentially, outed what happened to non-public.

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To discredit this committee as a resident, I was appalled at that and I just think that.

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Portsmouth deserves better city. Staff should not have a according to the charter city staff.

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Should be allowing the audit committee to move this forward, not city staff? This is.

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The residence this is part of the charter, so I'm very disappointed in what's happened here.

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I'm just hoping that when we do get a new auditor they come in, they look at the books.

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They go back 10 years to a forensic audit to make sure everything's in order and that's.

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Really what should happen but as a resident, I'm very disappointed in what happened here. Thank you.

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Thank you any other comments.

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Yes, please do thank you. Esther kennedy, 41, big, green, app, sportsman.

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um I'd like to comment on two things, one, I did sit on the opportunity briefly and.

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One of the reasons we created this committee was because we were very concerned uh at the time of.

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Myself with what was happening in the continuation of an auditor, as someone who does multi-million.

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Dollar budgets. I always say that it's always good to have a little turnover and have someone.

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Look at your books during our initial meetings. I asked about the ten thousand dollar amount.

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In the bidding process publicly in december, um we voted to put an rp out.

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And I thought it was going to be treated apparently.

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And you know we talked about ten thousand. We talked about what the city limits were.

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We talked about what needed to happen. It seems to me that we not only have some personal questions.

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About how the city reacted to this whole thing, but the question I would have for legal is: what's our.

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Legal questions and just listening to what I heard today, I heard that there could be some question.

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About the contracts and what part was offered over 10 000 for the new amount of 18 000., I heard from.

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Today, sitting in the zoom world that we have some questions from our citizens,.

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And how things were happening? I commend.

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Mr white for brain form, information and I believe that many of us thought that the transparency.

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For the audit of our city budget, now 133 million dollars.

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To be questioned- and this was just designed.

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So that we could have a new company look now I have to ask the city: what is the problem with that.

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With all these addicts and all these changes and irps after we voted for an rfp.

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By the city staff, it only brings forward that as a citizen, what are you trying to hide.

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What are we trying to cover up? What is the reason you could not have.

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A new auditing firm and that you spent so much time trying to make sure that wouldn't happen.

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As a citizen, because it hasn't been transparent for many years.

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Why- and I just want to leave you with that question.

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Why did the city work so hard to make sure that the same audit firm continues.

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Thank you any other comments.

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Hearing none. Thank you all very much.

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So um at this stage, I'd like to go into non-public share, if I, if I may.

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Would now be the appropriate time to perhaps address some of the comments that were made sure.

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Just cognizant and because I don't want to forget it, even though I've made a note, we may.

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Want to approve- and you can do it whenever you so choose uh both the public meeting minutes for both.

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February, 10th and 24th, I noticed on the agenda and the motion was just for the 8th and the 15th.

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But we did have public portions of both of those meetings and it's in your packets. You know you and.

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I worked on them yesterday right so just didn't want you to forget that at your convenience.

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So I don't um speaking on behalf of.

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The city manager and the finance department.

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I want to say that I think there is actually a huge amount of transparency in.

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The city's budgeting process, that's one of the reasons why we have the awards that we have.

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For our efforts to be inclusive in our process from the development of the cip, the capital.

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Improvement plan to you know the hearings that are ongoing over the next two weeks and are.

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Making available both on the website at the library, all of that.

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Information we do take our public records requests very seriously.

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The fact that you got you counsel, former counselor huda, get the.

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The copy of the contract before I in racing down here I was like I know, I'm forgetting.

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Something- and that would be the copy of the contract was in part, because.

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You know wanted to make sure we got the response out to you um once that contract was finalized.

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So we do take those public records requests very seriously, although we are quite.

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Busy in the legal department and and things are taking time to respond to.

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But I am happy to deliver a copy of the contract. If you would like it, I can easily bring that.

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That was one of those items. That's probably sitting upstairs waiting for me to bring it down.

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So you're happy to have. I can't if we could please a copy for each member yep happy to do.

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That and I'll make sure that uh hawk gets his copy. Thank you um and counselor who uh former counselor.

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Is correct that the total is 75 000, so I was off by two in my memory, but that is the total.

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So let me just say that it's been a little disappointing. I guess.

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Knowing that my work with the committee in the fall of last year was really intended.

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To try and come up with an rfp process that would try and meet some of the concerns, which is how.

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We wound up splitting the non-attest services from the audit services, which the city advised.

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That that would increase the costs for doing that because, as is understood throughout the.

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Industry and municipalities that if you combine those two services, you receive cost savings.

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To get that done, and it's also helps make sure you meet those deadlines for the gfoa requirements.

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But there were a number of conversations that we had in this committee about the value of.

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Potentially splitting them, apart, which the city indicated that it was planning to run the process.

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But would take the input of the committee and we were very clear that that was the point that we do.

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Certainly have a difference of opinion with people in this room in terms of how the charter.

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Is structured and where the responsibilities fall and and it's a difference of you.

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And and that's what it is, but I think there's certainly there was certainly an effort.

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In the fall of last year to find a path through those different views to go out.

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And do an rfp for the audit services alone, with the recognition that the non-attest services would.

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Stay with melanson for a variety of reasons that we discussed, and it's not worth getting into here,.

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um But there was certainly an effort to cross that difference and- and there is a difference and.

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It's just the way it is and and we I can respect that there are different views.

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Moving forward, what I think is important to keep in mind is that we will be going out for another.

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Rfp in august september, get through the budget and then get ready to issue another rfp combining the.

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Audit and the nana test services, as was discussed as a way to get another bite at this apple.

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In a way, that's cost effective and efficient both in terms of how the staff works with the.

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Firm and and just to get better cost. So we are going to restart this project process, which is.

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Why it is only a one-year agreement with melanson, um and that is where we're going and while we did.

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Release the proposals that were submitted as part of rfp 2022, we have not released other portions of.

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That file, because of the fact that we are going out again for very similar services. So therefore,.

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There's a limit to what we want to share so that going forward, there's no competitive disadvantage.

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You know to or advantage to one form or the other in terms of how the committee might be looking.

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At the relative aspects of each of the firms and what they would bring, so that's the reason why.

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We're kind of walking the the line carefully in terms of producing some of the information as part.

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Of that rfp that was just completed, but not all of the information that we would typically disclose.

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Because of this process that will be kicking off in you know, august or september.

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To again look at this and see if we can move the process forward.

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I will also say that I am perfectly comfortable both wearing my management hat and my lawyer hat.

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With the processes that we have in place and took in terms of how we conducted and.

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The rfp process, you don't issue an addendum once you've already opened the proposals or the bids.

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Which is why there was no formal addendum for that piece. So I'm comfortable that we've met.

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Both the purchasing requirements, as outlined in chapter one of our ordinance book, as well as the.

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Purchasing manual, so services are treated a little differently from a construction project that goes.

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Out to bid so I don't want to belabor any points, but I'm looking forward to you know continuing to.

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Work with this committee and work as we go and uh proceed with a new rfp, hopefully for.

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A three-year contract and move this process forward, I'm really looking to forward.

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Chairwood yeah, please: okay,.

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Let's get this wrong: peter huda, 280 south street.

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Okay to um to respond to some of the comments made by the deputy city manager, um first of all,.

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The transparency in the budget process has absolutely nothing to do with the audit. An audit.

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Is the uh a outside independent, firm coming in and looking at your internal controls and and how you.

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Process, your accounting department and finance department processes all of their records, so.

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Transparency in the budget process and taking all this out to the to the public is not it's.

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It's not related. The next thing, I'd like to say, is what we did last fall at and.

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Which culminated in a putting forward of an rfp at the december 16th meeting was totally.

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Discarded and we went back and forth and discussed the role of the audit committee.

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Versus the role of city staff and the biggest problem there was remained independent.

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And the I I guess I can't say this enough: the the problem of independence, where the city staff.

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Is um actually signing the contract of the auditor that is auditing them.

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Is the biggest problem here? The other thing I'd like to address is: um is the charter and.

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And also the audit audit committee ordinance now the audit committee ordinance specifically states.

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That the city manager is to attend all of these meetings. Unlike other um committee.

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Charters or or ordinances uh it does not say or assignee or deputy city manager or anybody else.

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And the city manager has not attended any now you can say you were in her put in her place. All you.

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Want the first one she was not available after that. um We we just never saw the city manager.

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And um we accepted as an audit committee last year when I was chair that you would be. um I.

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Guess, looking out for the city's best interest in representing the city manager as a city attorney.

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And we're hoping that the city manager would take her place at the at the committee. That.

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Never happened so when you look at how the committee is looked at through the ordinance.

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And through the charter and the specific specifics that you held the committee to as far as.

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Doing our doing the job of putting an rfp forward and then, following through with the contract.

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Is really contrary to what it says in the charter, because it's still not independent.

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And the fact that an assigned person that is written into the ordinance.

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Has not attended is a very concerning fact. The other thing that I'd like to say is.

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My expectation as a taxpayer and a resident with this committee would have been that the since the.

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Contract is signed, and that was the culmination of all the efforts of this committee that you would.

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Have provided it, and that was very disappointing. So that's what I have to say. Thank you. Thank you.

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I I would also add one other comment to your comments. If I may please, and that is that.

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We understood on the audit committee that malanson's role was important.

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uh For the director, the finance director, um but that doesn't keep.

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It doesn't keep one from putting the nanotest services, which we understood uh was important.

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For melanson to do it doesn't keep that from putting that out to bid.

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And it was only by putting it out to bid which our rfp had in it, and yours did not.

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That you would then be able to trust the quotes that were coming in for the nanotest services. As.

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It was that work was not put out to bid and it created a tremendous flaw in the process.

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And that was very unfortunate, so that was our disappointment that we had regarding your.

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The city's rfp that that non-test service work was not put out to bid, and so the fact that we got.

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The 25 thousand dollar quote from malanson, as I say in my comments, was truly extortionate.

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Mr taver uh question for the chairman, yup: I understood you to say that you had a pricing.

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Discussion with cla in the fall about the nano test services coming in at 10 to 12 000, yes, and.

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That was an advance of an rfp process. It would have been a sealed bid, competitive bidding process.

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Right, I just want to say I stand by my the way. I voted in this that the process has been flawed.

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And you know I, if you watch the december meeting of the blue ribbon committee, former.

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Counselor kenny says to you all the whole reason we created this committee is to change. Auditors.

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And that's what you guys need to do. I've been concerned about that.

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It seemed simpler and it would have been better government.

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And hindsight's always 2020, but if the prior council had simply said voted to change, auditors.

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And then in our city manager form of government, the staff would have followed that policy set.

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Up an open bidding process and allowed as many bidders to come in as possible, but this.

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Committee was put in the position of the people who appointed the members, wanted a certain outcome.

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And at the same time, we had to run a fair sealed bid process that should have been.

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Fair to everybody, I think that was an inherent tension. I don't want to litigate any of the past.

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Any more than that, I think we only gave mellons the city council voted to only give mellinson.

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A one-year contract so that we could move forward and this committee could contribute value.

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By running a good bid process getting as many competitive bids as we can.

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Including allowing bidders to bid on both the nana test and the main audit.

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To get the best value and efficiency and that'll be good work.

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I think this committee did good work uh in how we interviewed and rated the two bidders, and we can.

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Repeat that, so I would rather look forward to that, and that was the whole reason. The city council.

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Did this one-year interim contract that and frankly concerns that the finance department was.

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Short-Staffed- and the last thing I would say is, as I know, for a fact that the finance department.

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Has said when they're fully staffed, they welcome a new auditor and will look forward to proving.

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The kind of quality of books that we've had and been recognized for all along thanks.

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Any further comments.

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I would just uh add to the looking forward that the.

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Future rfps are issued for a three-year contract, not a one-year contract. A one-year contract favors.

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The established vendor and the cost of getting up to speed needs to be spread out over three years.

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And I would say, management concurs with that, and that was certainly the intention of the.

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December one, although it wasn't as clear as we would have liked to have been it's one of the.

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Corrections that should be made is to make it very clear that we're looking for three-year.

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Any further comments.

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So attorney woodland. I just want to make sure that.

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That I have the right public meeting minutes that still need to be approved. Yep. We have a.

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Set from february 10 and february 24. and they are attached in the packets, they were circulated. It's.

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The very abbreviated because it was mostly a non-public session, so it's they're very.

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Short, the ones you and I worked on yesterday for the february 24th. So um could I get.

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A motion please to approve the february 10 and february 24. Not excuse me public minutes.

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A second please, second, any discussion.

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All in favor hi hi hi. Thank you. Okay. With that, um I would like to.

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Get a motion please, and the wording is in the agenda for moving into non-public. Please.

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I'll move as written on the agenda. Thank you. Second.

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Councilor cook, you second.

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All in favor hi all right.

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July city council's meeting july 11th yep yeah, so we'll miss that.

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Why don't uh attorney woodland? Why don't you and I work on the getting the draft to the committee.

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And I will set up a meeting sometime a bit, so I need that draft. I say july 15.

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With the idea of getting the committee together sometime in the following week, yep cynthia I'm.

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Sure would be more than willing to help poll the committee members on availability, okay, right.

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Thank you so um so we have a motion to uh adjourn on the floor after that yeah right and um so.

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I think we've had our discussion all in favor of adjourning all right.

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And it is temple 1104.. Okay, thank you all.

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