City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Citywide Neighborhood Committee, 19 Oct 2022

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10.19.2022 Citywide Neighborhood Committee

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On your head: okay, okay, good evening, everybody, this is the uh citywide neighborhood committee meeting.

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At um wednesday, the 19th of october, um we we have a several agenda items that are fairly important.

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But, first of all I first off I'd like to see if there's anybody um in the on the web on the zoom.

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Who would like to make any sort of comments now this? I don't know what to do next, but.

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Let's see, try to click the little participant button, yeah right there. Yes,.

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Is peter coming and then in attendees on up top participants? Oh yeah, one to.

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The right you see the gray box where it says attendees yeah, right yeah. If you click that.

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That's who okay, only one all right so waiting for about for uh kathleen hold on go back to.

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Her and hover over yeah go back up to it say, allow to talk so that way: okay, they're they're.

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Allowed to talk if they want okay good uh shows a uh that's on their side. That's a mute button.

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Okay, that's theirs right, yep, okay, okay, someone who said don't look at me. It seems like you know what.

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You're doing yes, oh man, step up, I'm all right! You got it larry. Should I raise her hand if she.

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If she yeah jenna, if you have any questions, you can raise your hand. Well, you can speak.

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All right we're waiting for kathleen, but we'll uh we'll start the meeting. um Anyhow, um the.

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um The main purpose of this meeting is just to discuss uh the national night out.

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I do have a few uh remarks that were that we can share, and then, after that we we can talk.

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A little bit about what the next moves would have to be, if you don't mind, okay,.

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Get this going I'll, be all right.

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Wake up all right.

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um Traditionally, we've had the the interaction between the first responders and the.

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um The neighborhoods of which now there was 16 or there were 16 as of 2022. It was very successful.

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But there were expectations that were not met, so I agree with the chief very much about this and.

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Of course uh sergeant who did an outstanding job, getting everyone together as difficult as it is.

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um But I wanted to point out that from our own records in 2012 and be and even before then.

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There's been no change in the number of neighborhoods, which is kind of surprising.

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I thought I came in in 2018, I thought you know. 17 or 18 was a lot, but apparently we've had 20.

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And even 21., but we had some mergers thanks to elaine and one and then one other neighborhood.

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And that brought us down to 16.- um and I I guess I was that was lucky- that we did that.

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But I went back to 1994, there was an article in in the portsmouth herald and it was in 2004 and.

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It suggested that that this cnc said this is a you can see it on the right, a flagship event, that is a.

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National night out the citywide festival that brings portsmouth police, five thousand others.

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Neighborhoods of various celebrations, so there was always that relationship going back to 1994.

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And I think mayor sorel had actually started that at that time and I I started to look into this.

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And and the numbers have been steady, although we, I think we have like 25 or 26 neighborhoods,.

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For us, it's an it's an important event in that it allows us to interact with.

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um With neighborhood representatives and I and before I get into the business of change, that's.

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Something that we've been doing for an awful long time and that's why we're able to work with.

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The police department to um to uh on on getting everyone registered and everyone participating.

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Oh there's a lot. We were really lucky that the oh thank you uh kathy, bergeron yup. Thank.

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You kathy for coming in, so I was just saying uh on this last slide that we started in 1994.

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And you may have this national night out and and goes back even further according.

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To uh scott but the interrelationship between the city-wide neighborhood.

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um And the police department goes back. That far I mean I was kind of surprised. The mission of.

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The national of the cnc has not changed, it's been always the same. We want to help neighbors get get.

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Along have them give them a a voice, give them a mouthpiece, so they can interact with with city.

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Agencies and and the police department was very helpful in that regard and we didn't intend or or.

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Have any way to take anything over, it was just a mutual relationship. It was kathy who taught.

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Me how to do this, and I was one severely not to screw up, because it would be very bad for my my.

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Among other things, so just looking at what we see, I estimate about a thousand people.

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Participated this year, the estimate that you see there 1140 that came from the neighborhood.

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Representatives themselves, but there's we had about a thousand people which I I was.

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A bit surprised when I started to add it up. In some cases, the neighborhoods had more people.

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Than they estimated and in some cases when they didn't advertise, it was much less. You know and.

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Then, on the on the right hand, panel, it shows I did this by ward and it shows that um that in.

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Each ward except wad, four people were interested in maybe combining uh um neighborhoods for this.

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Event that as as glenn has done in in in ocean and uh and two or three others that were there.

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But what's what and I'm going to show a map on that um it? The there is some sort of clusterings.

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Of those who um who might be willing to merge uh their parties on national night out and it.

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Might be useful when the locations are picked. I I you know we'd be happy to to help in that.

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Regard but I I can see that in ward one atlantic it was atlantic highland heights, yeah heights.

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Would be interested in merging not with ever not with all of their neighbors, but with both.

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Of their neighbors, you know around and I'll show you a quote in a minute, but it shows a clustering.

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However, it also shows that everything is very much spread out and your experience chief and mine with.

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Driving around with sergeant hood and yours with the with the crime fighter and all of us, uh it's.

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It's quite a struggle to to get it, and I can under stand the person who who made the complaint to to.

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The mayor that very few city councilors showed up at her at her her neighborhood and that's.

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Really, what started the salt thing, what a mess, but they couldn't do it last year and they couldn't do.

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It in 2018 they hired a bus or a van, and that became somewhat of a political thing. It wasn't.

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Very pleasant when someone made some remarks: how come you're, using city resources for that, etc, etc.

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It's always been a problem, but nevertheless I want to just bring out a friend from atlantic heights.

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um He viewed this as a chance for our community to get together and he would.

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Certainly invite the big rock god and memorial circle, god I don't know uh they already go there.

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Yeah well, oh no atlantic heights they're willing to merge. They expressed an interest in in um go.

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To their space yeah and joining with other other organizations, so I was a bit surprised at that, but.

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Notwithstanding that, um I very much appreciate the chief's position, which I figure at the locations.

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Are so stretched out that you really it's almost impossible to meet any expectation if you, unless.

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You specifically ask for it, so the first bullet says suggests that in a second I I from.

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A conversation chief, I said that there'd be no visits and other block parties on the event date.

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Yeah, so I just want to clarify absolutely you know these were discussions. We were having they weren't.

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Like setting stone, I I thought it was. I personally thought it was a decision. Well, I can see that with.

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What you have up there, but all right? Well, you know those are discussions. We were having. It was.

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Our thing is like we want to be sincere in the neighborhoods we come to visit. We want.

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To be able to spend some time with them and as you stated yes, it's been going on for many many years.

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But the attendants that are at these neighborhoods now I mean the.

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It's been more successful than we ever imagined and it seems like every year it just gets bigger.

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And bigger, which is great in one instance, but then for us as a police department and even the.

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City and everybody else involved we're having a hard time being able to be in all those locations.

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And actually spend time with people and more so than just stop in and say hi and buy. So I can.

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Get to the next location and we are spread out and I spoke with sergeant hood and he feels that.

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Using what we've been doing in the past that we can probably still accommodate several more.

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Neighborhoods than what we had discussed there, but it's just more of just getting a focus on a.

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Plan on how and how and the expectation is you're not you may not see everybody.

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At all these neighborhoods and some neighborhoods may see more than others, and some may you know.

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Only get one or two visitors just because of the sheer numbers we're dealing with and I'm not even.

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Getting to the volume of you know whether it's five neighborhoods or 60 neighborhoods, but just.

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The amount of people there and we want to be able to talk with everybody. That's there that.

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Wants to speak with us, and you can't do that in 10 minutes so sergeant hood has had a pretty good.

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Schedule mapped out on how we were going to do it and cover it, but that didn't meet everybody's.

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Expectations because I mean it's one thing where the police department and the fire department.

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Is basically just using on duty resources and they get calls in the middle of this, and they.

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Had to go and respond so that this takes, you face the same thing: yeah we and we face the same thing.

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So I don't want to sound like where not we don't want to be in all these neighborhoods, because we.

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Do but we're we only have the capabilities of being some of the places that, in such a small.

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Period of time, can I jump in on that. I think that I feel like this year in the last year. I feel like.

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It's gotten we've. Never in the past had this many resources at each neighborhood and I don't think.

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There's a need to, I think um I know last year in my neighborhood, which you know, I think you.

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Said we had 50 something people we actually had more than that we probably have closer to 80.

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And um but in past years we've gotten say one fire truck one policeman and a backhoe.

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And that's all anybody expects and I think that it's the expectation to put out to the.

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Neighborhood leads and tell them to put it out, like you know, if they get a call, they can't come.

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um I think everybody understands that they'd. Rather you be on a call than.

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You know eating a brownie at our neighborhood, um so I just don't think that we need all those.

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Resources, I feel like we could do it, it spread it out and have people just go to a couple.

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um I've never seen so many as I did, which is great, which was awesome to see that many, but.

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I don't think it's if you're stretching resources thin, I don't think it's necessary yeah. I think it.

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We can manage it, it's just what does that? Look like managing it and so and getting ahead of it.

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Rather than because it seems like it always comes down to the 11th hour that we're trying to cramp.

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Things in that makes it difficult, then there's a lot of intangibles that go into what available.

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Resources are going to happen that day, because anything could happen in that day. That draws us.

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Fire department or dpw a way that we may not be able to make all those commitments. I feel like.

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In the past, the dpw is the one that has the the least um they have more of an idea of who they.

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Can send do they know what construction projects are going on? They know what's going on so in the.

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Past, that's kind of where it started is the dpw would put people out and then and then fire and.

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Police kind of came out as much as they could and I've always said I'd. Rather, the police spend the.

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Time with the neighborhoods, with a lot of kids and in particular at gosling meadows, and want.

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To say, I think, that's where the mission of the national night out comes into play. That's correct!.

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um And as far as the city councilors, I they've never come, I mean they're in.

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Their own neighborhoods, they should be. I I don't understand. Why that's an expectation I didn't.

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Make that, but I got an urgent call from one of our neighborhoods saying they were very disappointed. I.

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Didn't necessarily agree with with that person's position, but she went right to the mayor and then.

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That next thing I heard the mayor saying: well, the creek neighborhood had a had an additional.

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Party afterwards- and so um I saw this as a as as one way of of addressing this- is separating the.

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Two, and which is what you were suggesting, but, as you can see, from the left hand, side.

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um The south end they don't, they don't have too many children and others have a lot more and.

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And some wants the police and fire to be there and others may not care. Well, we've actually had.

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um Neighborhoods asked not to send a fire truck or something because if there's somebody that's.

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Had some trauma or whatever and that's that's fine I'll give you the did you.

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um Before this year, did you sit and ask people what they wanted? Absolutely absolutely yeah in.

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Fact we had that that also had the survey at the end about future expectations. But yes, they they.

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Can state if they wanted a swat or if they wanted a police dog, or did you keep track of who god? Yes.

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We did here, you can say, don't bother, no, they would, they were part of. They were part of the database.

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And- and we shared that database with everybody, you know yes and we did as you asking. We did share the.

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Spreadsheet of what everybody wanted, and I tried to you know as I updated it before the event and.

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I sent everything to to sergeant hood and to the fire chief and dpw so yeah. So yes, we did make them.

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Away and I took that into account- this is the actual schedule used for 2022 national night.

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Out- and I mean I took that into account when I assigned I identified what resources we had, the.

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Crime scene van, we had a canine officer, we had two motorcycles, we had the drone team van, the the with.

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The serve vehicle, and then we had patrol units that were out on patrol and I and it did take into.

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Account the survey and who had kids and tried to if there was a specific request or- and there were.

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Only I think I recall there were only like three or four neighborhoods that had a specific, specific.

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Request, that's correct. They had a lot of kids, so I tried to you know you know, like the motorcycle cop.

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Kids like to sit on the motorcycle put the helmet on stuff like that uh crime scene van. You know.

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They're, very interactive, and so I did identify those and I do have a record of where they went.

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Assuming they all stuck to the schedule, I know I know probably a couple guys probably went to maybe.

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Two different neighborhoods or whatnot, if the time permitting, uh depending on how things went, but.

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um I did take into account all those things and I do have a record of it as well as a kind of a.

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Debriefer, you know whether I'm doing it next year or somebody else. So we have a record so.

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um But it I mean it all: it kind of comes down to you know. If we're going to have you know we have.

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One two three, four: five: six: we have six specific teams, um plus the patrol officers and the patrol.

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Officers kind of added a double up like hey here's, the schedule try and go to one of the.

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Neighborhoods that you see a blank, you know the blank spot, so we don't have them going at the same.

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um You know section and a time period and um as far as coordinating with other departments.

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I I don't know how feasible that would be, but um but no we did take. I did take a lot of time into.

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Making sure that we we were spread out in that you know neighborhoods were happy and that they they.

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Got to see something you know directed towards, um you know what they were requested. I wonder what I.

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Mean the optimal number of neighborhoods would be so that's a good question. Yeah. I was going to ask.

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That question that's kind of open for discussion yeah. So in my mind you know just for some.

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Background for national night out and what other towns have always done uh around here. It's a lot.

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Of one location, so I last year I said this: andover mass does a great job. They have one location, 2500.

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People they get. You know that the helicopter to come out a whole bunch of kids. You know food and.

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Everything greenland does the same. Greenland has about a thousand to 1200 people. We also go there.

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um York does it? Exeter has been doing really good over the last couple years.

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Single location with you know, 700 what about kippery kittery doesn't do one okay, not yet.

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um So if they they'd probably go to york and maybe do a merge party, they talked about doing that.

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um Have parking for that many people, I don't know if we do one location, yeah, I'd, look in a you know.

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Our conversation was talk about the five wards, but, like an example is like done, daryl school, they do.

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A great I mean it's, it's a festivity party, elwood parks, um the other woodlands, that's good together,.

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Which is great because that's yeah, I guess just to finish the point was the single locations. It was.

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Easier to manage resources for crime, stoppers we're only a couple people we can only get to.

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Nine neighborhoods max, but even if it was five, that's still a lot more manageable and if it was.

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One per ward at each of the schools like dundero the middle school, slash library, fire station two.

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um You know picking those doesn't need to be done today, but I think that would be a lot more.

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Manageable you'd have a lot more assets resources at each place. I would personally be in favor of.

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You know going down to a person. Well I I think it's very it's very challenging and I I've been.

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Thinking about it too, about you know how we need to get the down to a point that it's manageable.

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And without, on the other hand, losing too much I mean.

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I've been doing this for a little bit and I've, and but there are a lot of young people and.

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They may have a slightly different idea. They may like a you know like you, were suggesting.

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Five and- and we know that, there's a hub down in the fire station fire station two and done.

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Daryl school would be also probably an excellent hub of the five and the other three. uh I I can't.

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Comment but I could see something in prescott park or something or something to that effect.

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Dude that really attract people middle school would be an awesome option and then what's this.

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In all the schools really yeah yeah little harbor's got a huge field, yeah yeah and I'm.

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I mean every community is different and you know we're going to do this for our community. What we.

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Feel best is, you know, we have a good problem. We have too many people that want to come out.

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Yeah I mean that and that's the way I look at it is like we we've been more than successful.

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And you know it's gotten to a point now, where it's not just neighborhoods doing it, but every.

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Neighborhood wants to have their own, because this is the one time that they can get all their.

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Neighbors together and they get to see each other and meet their new neighbors, which is serving the.

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Part of the purpose, the other purpose is, you know for us, as police department, to get out.

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And meet our neighbors, and that's the part that sometimes you know we're having a little bit of.

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Trouble with is because we don't have that many resources to be able to get to all those different.

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Neighborhoods and actually be able to spend some quality time with people. You know like at dondero.

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There's you know a thousand people out there and you know all the kids are out there. We want to be.

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Able to talk to every kid that wants to talk to us. We don't want to sorry we're at a time that we got.

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To leave and that's where it you know, I said we want to be sincere and not just hi bye and how can.

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We do that and still accommodate everybody. That's what we're trying to think about all right and and.

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I think that some cases, I'm not sure I think, um fortree island, the which is the friends of the.

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South end, they they're out there and the very few children and they and but the police and fire and.

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Everyone else love to go out there for food right. But but you know, is it really important for their.

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Particular function to have visits. Well, I know that politicians would think one neighborhood.

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Not as important as any other neighborhood to whether or not there's you know two kids or a.

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Hundred kids or just families, we I mean we want to be able to serve our whole entire community for.

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The record: it's not just kids that like to see the trucks and everything the adults enjoy it as well,.

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I mean the um the swap fan, you know to talk to everybody about it. I mean there was more.

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Adults that were yeah they were, that is true, so people can see what we have to offer. What we do.

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What our department does- and you know it's a whole range of people- that we want to meet. It's not just.

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Specific to kids, it's not specific to adults. So it's we're trying to find a happy medium.

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um So what I was thinking about is.

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And I know I'm not on the committee anymore, but I was actually you are.

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um There's a couple things it. We could probably get the number down, but I think one of in talking.

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To people I think it would have to be walkable so, for instance, um uh my neighborhood is why bird.

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To go to say little harbor school and maybe cliff in walker bungalow go there too, and.

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Richard sav didn't have one this year, but they usually do if they went so. I.

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Think you'd have to be careful like, so that's that some of the other neighborhoods are more.

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Challenging for it to be walkable, so maybe the walkable ones that you could have a a.

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One area that they could walk to, you combine them, but the neighborhoods that you can't that.

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They can't walk somewhere. Maybe you continue to have that in their their neighborhood. I I would.

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Hate for I just think that the attendance will go down if somebody has to get their kids in a car.

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At dinner time to go someplace, I I think that that is a little bit of a a just too much of a barrier.

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So, but if you're all leaving the neighborhood together to go someplace that that's something.

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Else, yeah, and it is also something we could try for a year right, yeah. It doesn't have to be set.

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In stone, so it doesn't no, I mean- and it's also up to your neighborhood community committees, because.

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Yeah some neighborhoods are better organized than others, and they get enough volunteers where they.

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Can make it work where other people there's one or two people doing everything? That's.

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Right: yeah, yeah, that's exactly it's so yeah! If the neighborhood committees or the lead, the.

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Association is if they say they think that they I mean everybody would have a feeling for how.

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um Their neighbors are going to react to that um and then maybe this year we try it.

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And then we do something with portsmouth 400, which I talked to karen canard about briefly.

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Trying to do something with that too, if we I mean, I, I think we have to do a little more.

B

Thinking about about this, but if we we could probably.

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Focus on three or four major hubs, as you were saying, you know, I mean if it's walkable is the.

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Middle school, walkable and you're going to get, and you may get more than just neighborhoods.

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You will get people who don't consider themselves in any neighborhood and they'll just show up and.

B

It could be a big success. I mean I thought of that too, that people in the downtown area you.

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Know would walk to middle school or walk through hypothetically prescott park. You could get you.

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Can get a thousand, so you can get quite a few. uh You can get several thousand participants in in.

B

National night out, just by doing something like that, I mean it'd be more than just neighborhood.

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Associations, it would be yeah and I'd say just to piggyback on both of you guys comments. You know.

C

With talking about kids, you know we live in ward, three, we're over in middle. We have a one-year-old.

C

And a two-year-old, but you know where, where does my wife, like I'm, obviously mcgruff? I don't get to.

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Do anything, but where does my wife go? You know she goes dondero? Why? Because it has the most things.

C

For kids to do you know so fire station two that you know there's good amount of kids over there.

C

Too so she went, I think, to both of those, but we, even though we don't live in dondero, that's still.

C

Where we went because that's where there's stuff for kids to do- and I think if we did consolidate.

C

It would be key to have you know, activities and the more activities that you have. The more people.

C

That you can attract. You know, though I I agree. That would be great, but we have to remember that.

G

This is a three hour event, or it's supposed to be two. It's probably two hours, yeah two hours.

G

I mean we've never had a rain date before we have a rain date. I think the rain date is really we.

G

Could dump that? I think I took a chance on that, but because sometimes the rain is variable, but we.

H

Always do it like a week out, like we just saying rain daytime this week, we could. We could drop that.

B

Like a little like not very often yeah, you know, but uh we have had to actually. I don't even know.

G

If it's ever, the full thing has got rained out, maybe a shower or something a quick storm power.

B

About eight o'clock, I know we stopped remember and then it came down. It was oh yeah. That's.

D

Right, I remember yes, this year was- and the timing was maybe right the year before cover two- that.

G

Happened right at the end, um so that activities I just I just worry that we don't want to put.

G

So much into it or make it too complicated for the neighborhood leads, because the majority of.

G

The neighborhoods there's one or two people doing everything: yeah, that's right, yeah! I know I mean.

F

But if we had like, I said if we did five locations in different ward areas, where they're at locations.

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Where you have an indoor outdoor option, that that could help as well and you could you could use in.

D

The schools we could still do like the five locations of the wards and still not lose the.

D

Identity of your of your neighborhood, like I I'm almost I'm picturing like you know, you go to epcot.

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At disney and you can go like right to all the different countries like you could go, you know.

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New franklin school could be your epcot and then each neighborhood could have a pop-up, maybe and.

D

Maybe each neighborhood, you know represented like an activity or something like that one. Could you.

D

Know, kids could paint, uh I don't know a wooden figure and one the kids could make a origami or.

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I don't know you, but you can still represent and still represent in your neighborhood to reduce it.

D

To these locations, where which would get you know more, you know more of the police resources and and.

D

Less of a burden on the fire um as they're, working and um and you can get more in one location and.

D

You could, probably you know, get get bigger from there. I mean I don't. I don't necessarily have a.

D

Problem, if we want to keep it 16 neighborhoods but you're, just you're you're spreading it thin.

D

And we can't guaranteed you know and and you're still keeping the idea. The idea of national night.

D

Night out is not only building uh the relationship between you know, law enforcement or the you know.

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The first responders in the community, it's also a resource for the neighborhoods to to get to.

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Know each other not just the neighborhood that you're within, but also like the neighborhoods.

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Nearby you and and sharing information about, maybe problems going on, and so I don't. I like.

D

The idea of the five awards, not just because it's you know more manageable, for the resources, but I.

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Think you, you there's a way to still have your neighborhood identity by having a consolidated.

D

um Community, but that's so I was just going to say something that I I'm just throwing it out.

A

As as a suggestion, but really is there any possibility that it can be a couple of days.

A

Instead of just one and so have everybody in ward, five and whatever parties they have normally do.

C

That and so national night out is only one night a year for the august across the country, yeah.

A

Different night yeah not, but for the like national, like national night out.org like everybody, does it.

C

The same night, but to the point for everybody, is there an opportunity to still have another.

C

Night, that's just like a neighborhood block party night. Yes, that is different than national yeah and.

F

That's and that's the conversation that we had with larry is like any neighbor can organize a.

F

Block party- and there are a lot of neighborhoods- that already do organize block parties and if.

F

We're made aware of it, we will gladly stop in and say hello, it doesn't have to be national. I know.

F

uh So those were some of the suggestions we made. No, I I thought that has some merit. I.

B

Mean I mean I'm not ruling out this at all I mean everything here is workable.

B

If you work it, we can survey people I mean we can survey neighborhood reps.

B

um I'll give you an example of of one thought. I have uh that's prescott park, you advertise.

B

Prescott park there's going to be police here and fire and other things, and maybe one or two parties.

B

I don't know, but if you advertise it enough, that could be a location. It's in the city, the.

G

Arts festival, I look. I just look at our parks and everything of everything else. That's going.

G

On that's, my fear is presca park. Has the arts festival going on oh well? Obviously that was a.

G

Hypothetical, I mean baseball games. Like I don't know, I get that's the only thing I really we'd.

G

Have to it would have to be very early planned, yeah no like within the next month or so to to put.

G

The schedules out- oh okay, um that is my you know, fear of that. I use that just as a hypothetical.

G

Because uh it would be like an ideal if it would work. But the notion is that if you had a hub.

B

You could advertise, you could promote the activities going on to help you would get.

B

Neighborhoods, their thumb and you'd also get other residents in the city. Okay, I mean that's kind of.

B

That would be one way to do it. It moves slightly away from the idea of the neighborhood where and.

B

The and the and the first respond to visits and the kids and and that and and so I I worry about.

B

That component of it and if we can figure out a way of bridging this five, five or six, that.

B

It doesn't matter, and then there would be some neighborhoods that would have parties at other.

B

Times, that's fine! I I know that oriental gardens. They have their parties uh at very different.

B

Times they were at, I asked them if they were interested in national night out. They were not.

B

um I'm I'm not, I don't. I can't speak for the friends of the south bend whether they would.

B

uh They probably wouldn't care, because they've had fortree islands since the records that I looked at.

B

um Going back, 20 years, 15 years, so they've been there a long time whether they would really. I.

B

Think they would they always like to invite police and fire and and city council. Is there a lot a lot.

B

Of people go there, yeah yeah. My apologies for I had another well, thank you for coming. Randly.

A

um I think, having talked to the chief, we can't it's not possible for him to do 19. things in in.

A

We can't ask that of our police force. What about the idea? I'm just tossing this out. I don't know.

A

If you may have discussed it, but if you did uh august is national night out month and we did one.

A

Ward at the time, well, national night out is just one night: a year, yeah, it's just natural tuesday,.

A

Night out, yeah, I'm sure you know the first week of august and ward, one did their.

A

On a thursday night, they did all theirs. Then, the next week in august ward, two or.

C

So for crime stoppers, I could hit five wards easy. We do nine! That's like our max five. I.

C

Think is good if they were big events like we spent a lot of time at dondero, just because.

C

There's a lot of people at dundee. There's a lot of kids there's a lot of stuff to give out.

C

um I like that number and I and I feel, like it's manageable in a single evening,.

C

uh For us, like it's all, 100 volunteer so to try to get someone at for every single week in august.

C

For us it, wouldn't it wouldn't work so well to have it multiple days for pds. I don't know how.

C

You guys are well yeah, I don't know, I just speak for for manning it um I mean. Even even this we had.

D

One slot that didn't go on well, you know we would have had one more officer to go around, but it.

D

Didn't go unfilled because you know it's august, people have vacations, and people are sick and.

D

Whatnot, so when you put it on different nights and we reverse I'm certain- we have the on-duty.

D

Resources, but uh we could, we could probably manage it like anything, but um I think it makes. I think.

D

It would make it a little bit more difficult if you have it like five different nights or.

D

I agree so it's kind of it's: it's the working, the workability of five or less I'm using that as a.

B

uh I call it a goal because it kind of makes sense that you do one per ward and then the neighborhood.

B

Relationship trying to work something in in that regard, that's really the key right. There.

B

It would be very nice if all the neighborhoods that wanted to participate in national night out.

B

To show up at the five locations, that would be very, very nice. That would be ideal, but I don't.

B

Think it would work right away and I don't know I I thought well what if we were to experiment.

B

And but we're experimenting on the neighborhood relationships with themselves, as well as as well.

B

As law enforcement and and fire department and so forth, so this is a risk associated with that.

B

um I kind of worry about that too. So there has to be some way of bringing this together.

B

That makes sense, I mean we know, we know the sense that you are bringing to a chief and and sergeant.

B

Hood that it's not manageable to do 16 or 17., I mean it's stretching hard and and you you have.

B

Resource problems already and you don't need any more and who said anything about things getting.

B

Better next year or the year after, maybe they will, but that won't change the matter. The fact is, it's.

B

They're stretched out. They probably I can't say, kathy whether they were stress before, but.

B

um They may have been right out there. It was a lot less there yeah. You know. I just I feel like maybe.

G

We could just do it with a lot less resources, so so just another question or idea. Is it a lot.

C

Playing the opposition, I've asked a couple years to do: consolidation, stuff and and answers always.

C

Been the same from the neighborhoods they like to know who their neighbors are they're, the guys that are closest to them. They don't really care for the big thing because getting to know who's.

C

On your street is important to them and I get it and I respect it and is it possible maybe to do.

C

Like fourth of july block parties or memorial day weekend, block parties with all the neighborhoods.

C

So it's you know them still getting to know their neighborhood intimately but having national night.

C

Out just be a you know, a separate event, that's different than you know, block party night.

C

That allows us to, you know, have the best of both worlds. You still have the opportunity in.

C

Your neighborhood in the summer to connect with the people that are closest to you.

C

And also still have the best experience for national night out that I mean, I think that.

G

That's a thought: if the cnc wanted to encourage all these neighborhoods to put on their own block.

G

Parties, yeah and, and and you guys, you know, really encouraged it and scheduled it and helped them.

G

And then national night out becomes more of what the mission of national night is out is.

G

With the relationships with the police and the first responders, I think that's a great idea.

D

Because- and I I said, I don't know who I said it to, but I said it to someone that you know.

D

Just because, if we were to consolidate to your point, it doesn't mean that any neighborhood can't.

D

um uh Can't have their own block party sure already this year. I know I saw you know at.

D

Least one email where um you know we were notified, that a neighborhood got permission um from the.

D

City manager to to shut down a street for a block party, so, like people can do it, people can still.

D

Have their block parties, so I I honestly, I think that would be a great idea and not just say: hey.

D

You have the ability, but to encourage it, and so they feel like they got their block party out and.

D

And if you let us know like certainly on duty like we'll we'll go, and it won't be the same, you know.

D

We won't have, you know the bells and the whistles you know like we came out for for national night.

D

Out but we'll still go and visit visit block parties or I suppose we could do that, but it.

D

Almost like, if that's a preparation for all right, this is practice run and the national night out is.

D

Going to be yeah, I think my fear is just being involved in these. You know block parties since.

G

I've lived here is, I really see what it does for a neighborhood and it strengthens the neighborhood.

G

I mean my neighborhood has had a lot of turnover, especially after covid. We got to get out in the.

G

Street there was there's still people thanking me for putting that on because they didn't know.

G

Their neighbors, they had kids meeting each other, and I know other neighborhoods were the same.

G

um It kind of helps you check in on your elderly neighbors, and what do you need? You know that.

G

Type of thing, and that's the thing I don't want to lose, I think that's really so I just.

G

Think that that's so important in portsmouth having the opportunity to drive around to the.

G

Neighborhoods- and I mean, as you know, they're all really unique and they have traditions.

G

um You know they do cakewalks or bike parades or something, and you don't want that to go away. So if.

G

We could do it in a way like that, but you know the committee would have to probably be that's.

H

Something where I just saved a new part, actually I mean nationally national night out, became so.

F

Successful because it did exactly that, so it's, but it's gotten to a point now, where the.

F

Burden's been put on our backs because everybody likes it and everybody's national night out that.

F

Our particular day has become the day for all neighborhoods to come out and do that enjoy that.

F

So but I think we're at a point now, where there's enough neighborhoods that have been created, that.

F

Enjoy the block party theme that they could do it on another night that not necessarily.

F

National night out so when we do have national night out, maybe we can consolidate to some.

F

Other neighborhoods, because other neighborhoods have already had their block party and they're.

F

Not using us as the draw to get people together because there's several neighborhoods that have.

F

Been doing it for a year after year and now that are established, that can do it. But for some of.

F

The newer areas and newer neighborhoods that need to get up off the ground they enjoy they. You know.

F

Join national night out, so they can establish that community relationship. Actually one of the.

H

Neighborhoods maple haven recently restarted their neighborhood association and when I.

H

Met with them, they mentioned that two of them mentioned that they enjoyed the national night.

H

Out at the fire station, but they can also see themselves doing their own neighborhood parties.

H

So I mean they're definitely open to that, and I did in the meeting with um with you and karen.

H

You had mentioned, of course, the combining the consolidating the the um the parties, the nno.

H

Parties, but also that the neighborhood parties, the neighborhood association parties, could be.

H

Spread out maybe throughout the summer and then each week a neighborhood could have a party and.

H

Then you guys could, you know, come by stop by visit the neighborhoods, so we would have to work with.

H

The with the uh leaders in the neighborhoods and talk to them about that, I think it's kind of any.

G

Not to go away in the summer, it would have to be a when is your block party? Yes, are you going to.

C

Have a block party: it has to be a yeah memorial day. Fourth of july yeah. Well, those I mean good.

H

Job tuesday night, you know if you get the most people during the week, but it has to that's the.

H

That's the only thing yeah. I think that that's a the the part that I don't want to see, go away.

G

Because I I feel like it is really strengthened. People and people have met, but there's no reason.

G

Why you can't do two? Maybe it would be even more yeah, that's what maple haven actually is. That's.

H

What they want to do is become, you know, become more united and that's why they restarted the.

H

Association and they just restarted on the 11th of october, so do you think that you need like I.

E

Of course, the police is a drawer and mcgruff is a draw. Do you think that the parties would survive.

A

I think if you have the right leaders in place, you know for the neighborhoods there's a lot.

C

Of people that want to get out and get to know their neighbors and they're doing that so much.

A

To meet each other and spend time with each other, I think I think it'll survive on its own.

H

I I think so too. I agree. That's what I'm seeing from one of the things I just wanted to bring up.

C

To you guys what we talked about at the crime stoppers board- um this was a year or two ago.

C

And again, we're just here to support you guys, whatever you guys decide by all means, go for it.

C

But we said uh if national night out was a single location would be very happy to try to help with.

C

Sponsorship and organization of that and then maybe even do like a secondary fireworks night.

C

Like fourth of july, if it was consolidated to one, I would be happy to do that. So just one of.

A

Those things I've spoken to people in different neighborhoods and really, if it's not walkable,.

A

Then they're not interested, these are a lot of them with young, kids and yeah. I just want to.

A

Walk out the door and put it out there to let you guys know that crime stoppers is open to it. Okay,.

E

See you can sit down on the side here if you want to and you're very welcome to participate in this.

G

Okay, thank you. So I guess the next step is as a committee. If, if you guys sit down, look at what the.

G

Surveys said I I would re-survey the I mean these are just my suggestions, re-survey the the leads or.

G

Not even certainly reach out to them and talk to them. Oh no. We would probably want to reach out to.

B

Them you're right. The surveys that we did in this is the second year that we did the survey about.

B

Would you like a single location and or would you like to merge with other other neighborhoods.

B

um We had like six response. Seven responses this year last year was like five, so I mean. Maybe there.

B

Is some change but beside that, I, like the idea of studying this a little more certainly on the on.

B

The survey and ask them about the block bodies, so what I have what I hear so far is something that's.

B

Useful for us I'll call for the moment. A model is that we would have approximately five locations.

B

And the five locations would be central points. Any uh neighborhood association could have a.

B

Party at those locations, so they'd have to be enough room for that in the usual way.

B

Like studero and the fire station too, and if a an association wants block parties at another time.

B

We would the cnc could be more than willing to facilitate in in making arrangements with the.

B

Police department and so forth, and it would be it would facilitate, and we understand if they even.

G

Want that yeah they may if they want exactly, and they don't have to have it, but we would facilitate.

B

We would keep them on the list and we would um we would at least interact with those neighborhood.

B

Reps, which is something that we need to do, we need to keep up with with those individuals and because.

B

They they represent the a neighborhood of hundreds of people. You know so one thing, maybe to keep the.

C

Identities of each of the individual neighborhoods, if you did decide to consolidate, is maybe have a.

C

Friendly little competition at each of those saying you know, my neighborhood has the best.

C

Food, you know what I mean yeah, you know we, you know we're bringing in one of the best things for.

C

Kids and music and have an activity yeah have a little fun. You know with for the neighborhoods in.

C

The ward and then the wards against each other. You know uh crime stoppers be happy to be a judge for.

C

The best I think we have a few judges over in the members of the blue volunteers, there's some things.

G

You could do with if they had the individual neighborhoods. I was thinking you know if.

G

If you have, if people wanted to, they could do posters of what their neighborhood means.

G

To them and kind of put it on a table or or whatever, because portsmouth 400 it's not just.

G

About the history, it's what's happening right now in portsmouth too so kind of looking at that.

B

um That's an interesting idea. I saw you on the email I am I I have contacts with susan.

B

Enforcement for 400, so next uh 2024. Certainly there could be some activity there. That kind.

B

Of merges that, but at least, if we get the models straight, we can work with the model.

B

To see if we can, if it's, if it is workable, more workable than than not, and then do you.

G

Digital is like, if you I mean say it's going to be august, the first week in august. I think.

G

That that's good too, I mean we know like we know when national night is going to be.

D

um You know this, you know april. May um you know uh uh larry reached out to me.

D

um We started planning, we had a couple meetings. I joined a meeting with lane.

D

um And others about you know the needs of the community. I mean.

D

Yeah june july I mean as we as we get into july, certainly I'd like to have, but.

D

um If you at least know how many neighborhoods yeah about yeah yeah rounding running, may that.

D

Would help a lot with planning to you know, planning and budgeting like you know how many.

D

How many officers? How many different teams? Because I have to reach out to detectives.

D

For the crime scene, I have to um you know drone team guys for the drone van cert guys and they.

D

Have to coordinate the the the bearcat with the other communities that participate in insert so.

D

um You know may june, you know how many neighborhoods and then you know we can.

D

As we get closer, it's not too too hard to put this together, um but we do need to give time.

D

For officers to sign up and then find out actually how many officers we're going to.

D

Get as we get closer so because I think that's a challenge with the neighborhoods, because you.

G

Always have the neighborhoods at the last minute. That say: oh we're, gonna do it. You know yeah. We.

H

Only had one that signed up at the last minute uh west end yeah because I mean, and then, if you.

G

You know no matter how many we have to give a hard date and, and that that's good. You only.

G

Had one because in the past I've had more than that, but at the last minute have said you know.

G

Oh, I'm gonna have a block party, you know so it's it's sort of it's like the same neighborhoods.

H

From 2021 had one this year as well yeah one thing for the pd's: next year, I coordinate with greenland.

C

They had the national guard fly the helicopter over their national night out. It would have.

C

Been like a two-minute trip for that helicopter to go over portsmouth too right, so uh talk to.

C

The greenland guys all right I was I was like oh dude. Why isn't the helicopter going, of course, yeah.

B

um I'd like to just pursue this a little bit more, maybe uh and like a subcommittee or a small group.

B

To just to formulate the more more so much the promotional idea or this one thing that we'd.

B

Like to know about the five, if five locations appears the uh the one for each one appears to.

B

Be equitable in that way, then you don't favor one ward over the other, not that this is a competition.

B

But that's certainly what I would call the model is the pick five locations.

B

um Secondly, would be to define how what you're going to do with those at each location, including.

B

A possibility like what happens in fire station 2 and dondero. You have multiple neighborhoods.

B

Have bodies at these locations? I think that's fine and then three, the promoting of block bodies and.

B

Facilitation in contacting the police department and maybe the fire department to see if a first.

B

Responders to see if we can arrange for them for for a prefix it, so it could be any time and other.

B

Than national night out, so I'd like to kind of tie that into like a bundle of package and see if we.

B

Can come up with a an idea that everyone agrees with chief? That sounds good to me. Okay, all right.

B

So with that um does anyone else have anything to say about.

B

um uh National night out in block bodies, well, I would just say.

A

Well, first off anybody's running for city council loves having them all on one night.

A

I can shake so many hands in one night, but um I think for this discussion has been great because.

A

Kathy, I think you're right. The neighborhoods want to get together and know each other. So.

A

Whatever we do, I think we want to support and facilitate and encourage that and if.

A

It's friendly competition, if it's contests, if it's you know, the city maybe provides something.

A

To help make your block party happen, anything we can do, and that seems the heart of the experience.

A

The 16 neighborhoods, but how many committee different committees do you have because I mean.

F

If the committee's five, so if the committees coordinate an area with each one of their.

F

Wards I mean kind of draw the people into their or at least coordinate with the with.

F

The different neighborhoods that are in the awards to try to work on facilitating so one.

F

Or maybe two spots, the neighborhoods as you guys, we've had the challenge. Some of them have really.

G

Very strong committees that they meet and they elect officials and then there's you know me that.

G

As an email list, and that's it no that's right, he just hopes that somebody helps you know and that's.

G

Probably the majority of them, which you know, but it all works, and in some of the ones that are more.

G

I'm trying to think because now maple haven and sherman is pretty organized. They were. We haven't.

B

Had contact with children for some timeless because the colonial drug used to be they used.

G

To be, they used to be a big one, I'm so surprised they didn't do it this year. That could just be.

G

Aaron could have been on a town or something you know and he's really a driver over there.

G

um But some of them could you know some of those committees that are formed? Might.

G

Want to take a leadership. Some some of the leaders are looking for people to take over.

H

um And I think maybe that's what's happening with sherburn right yeah.

H

So we'll reach out to them and see if- and we have in the past too and yeah, we.

H

We do continue to reach out to them, but um we will speak with them about the possibility of.

H

Heading in the wrong direction, yeah I was I looked back and I think that.

G

The most we had one year we actually did have, I think, 21 neighborhoods.

G

Which was ridiculous, but not all of them had resources. Go. We had a few rogers street used to do.

G

One yeah: they just did it in somebody's backyard and said: don't bother, fighting anybody and then.

G

That's correct: it was one other that used to do that too. um In in um I I get like I don't know.

G

If five wards is the actual number, I don't know if there's some that you know it's just that we have.

G

To look at a map and look at locations to see what works yeah what's kind of natural, maybe even if.

F

Even though yeah no, I quite agree yeah yeah, if you had seven, maybe instead.

G

Of five, that's still a lot better than 17., because word three is really really bad. Yes,.

C

I'm more likely to probably go to something close to ward two versus the people out on.

C

Ocean, probably more likely to go to dondero exactly and then ward. One is pretty central, but.

G

um You know ward ward, 2 kind of even spans a little bit, but that might be doable.

G

And ward 3 is also a little bit of a challenge. It's big! It's huge, it's kind of a long skinny one.

G

With a lot of highways so, but I mean I think that that with a lot of looking at a map and diligence.

G

I think yeah, I think you could easily put a couple pins in that and I think the schools, probably if.

C

You know you're just looking for ideas. The schools are probably good places to start.

F

Well, I mean, and your neighbor doesn't necessarily have to go to your ward party yeah. They could just.

G

Go to the closest yeah, exactly yeah, we're three and four: it's kind of you know they could kind of.

G

Maybe even at community campus you could have something or okay, oh so.

B

All right, so why don't I uh anyone who wants to sit on this? I call it a subcommittee with.

B

Sergeant I would like to volunteer from the police department just to shed just a representation.

B

And kathy, I think, you've had some very good ideas and um um okay and elaine, and that should.

B

That should do it yeah to those two yeah I mean, of course it can be. It could be the.

B

Whole committee uh thing as well, but in any case I think we want to have some ideas put forward.

B

um Maybe, by the end of the year um that will give us enough time to plan.

B

How we're going to announce what we want to do and to have it successful and continually announce it.

B

uh Going forward and be on a very positive spin and I think that's what we want to do.

B

Continue this concept of the neighborhood and and neighborhood parties, which is very important and.

B

Then the the police, fire and first responders on national night out as a second. But I think.

B

If we're involved in both, then we we're able to keep our contacts with the neighborhood represent.

B

And that's what we want to do: okay, all right! So that we'll! Why don't we close that discussion.

B

um I'm going to uh because of the we don't have a lot of people here, suspend most of the um the.

B

The rest of the agenda, but there are two folks here, would you would you I I will you here to.

B

Speak about some problem or some issue that you'd like to or something that you'd like to address.

B

A neighborhood issue, or something that bothers you no more.

E

um Like seven years before that, one of the challenges we've had is because of the neighborhood and the.

E

Length of the streets and that sort of stuff, now that I've done it the last two years.

E

And I look at the numbers and ours is really low, because it's kind of the cliff road group and a.

E

Few from walker bungalow, but I've ended up doing flyers to about 45 houses and.

E

Because of the whole sagamore sewer system, I've also been spearheading trying to get everyone.

E

Knowing what's going on with their sewer, if you don't know we're getting a 20 million dollar solar.

E

System in our neighborhood neighborhood, which we're going to be paying probably 10 to 15 000.

E

For each residence to be able to put it in, um and so I've been just getting the information out to.

E

Everyone so that email that I have is about 65 to 70 people in that whole area from sagamore avenue.

E

um Cliff road walker bungalow over on the other side of cliff of sagmore creek. So, like I said, 65.

E

To 75 emails going out and yet if you look at the numbers we still only had people on walker.

E

Bungalow right along cliff road and cliff road, and I'm just really baffled I've. Even when I.

E

Handed out the flyers to people and talk to them in person all the way down and walk a bungalow.

E

All the way on sagmore and the like, and they still don't end up coming and I don't know why.

E

So I just don't know whether it's some other you're talking about some of the neighborhoods.

E

That, like have huge turnout, I don't know if it's a different neighborhood, so a different. I think.

E

You might have the same percentage of people showing up as some of the other neighborhoods.

G

Like my neighborhood, it's over 200 households.

G

So so I'm saying you know if we looked at the ratio, you might be about the same and.

G

They it can change drastically year to year, and ours is always the same core people. So if.

E

You know with our our core group and it has definitely brought the neighbors together, so they.

E

Know each other and we end up talking to the new neighbors and bringing the new neighbors in and so.

E

They understand what's going on and you know it's every neighborhood is different and ours has a lot.

E

Of huge amount of transition right now, not only with people, but also with because of the sewer.

E

System going in is having a huge impact on what's going on in the neighborhood and new development.

E

And we're we live on a dirt road now, so we've been moving on a dirt road about two months or so.

H

Are you lennar? What is your name? Sheridan? Oh okay, that's right! Nice to meet you! Thank you.

E

So it's been interesting on being able to get. You know, people up to speed about. What's going.

E

On in the national night out has been a great way to pull people in, and so they.

E

Understand, what's going on and if they're new to portsmouth, you know to be able to meet the.

E

Police department, different components like we ended up having the drone group.

E

Unbelievable fantastic. We didn't even know that there wasn't true.

E

So that's where one of those things it's really good to be able to end up.

E

Even if it's you know every year, we get somebody different and make groups yeah.

E

That's you know part of the reason for consolidation. You know in 19, neighborhoods.

C

I'm lucky to hit 10 of them. You know nines yeah, it's one of those things. If you end up doing.

E

A rotation you end up like the drone group this year, we didn't get them in the past, which is great.

E

And you've gotten the what's: the armored vehicle we've gotten that before, which is again a really.

E

Eye-Opener to know what sort of protection we have with the police departments being able to see the.

E

New brand new um garbage truck fascinating too, um so it is a good thing in that aspect, I'm being.

E

Able to get the rotation of all these different things, and I I I'm just hoping that if it ends up.

E

Going more centralized that we don't end up losing that again with the discussion with it's got to.

E

Be walkable, but if it's a 10 minute, walk away and you've got small children or even if you don't and.

E

You're carrying food with you, who's going to be walking, 10 or 15 minutes with food in their arms.

C

What would be with the discussion we were saying? Just have block party still, which is different.

C

Nights and have national night out it's a block party night. You could still get your neighborhood.

G

Together but then the question is it national night out is the only thing. That's a draw to.

E

National night out just the fact that the town or city services are going to be there at one central.

E

Location because that's not going to be a draw yeah, so for all the polling that we've done. That's.

C

Really about the neighborhoods getting together and you know that the resources secondary. So if.

C

We can have block party still, I think, they'll attract a lot of people and then you have the.

C

Consolidation with all the police, resources and stuff you get the best of both worlds, but that's.

E

What I'm saying so at the resource- let's say it's ward, five! So it's at little harbor school.

E

If you're not going to have food there, and you don't end up having music there as an example.

E

And you don't have anything else, because no one's bringing anything it's just the police are going.

E

To be standing around and the fire department's going to be standing around waiting for people.

E

No, no, but the expectation would be if there's going to be those five locations in the five.

F

Wood they're going to have all the food, the music they get. Some people who have to coordinate all.

D

That I like that it, I think, you're right, I I think some people are probably going to.

D

Have to drive their food, I I don't- and I don't know like- is that going to stop people because.

D

You're right, if there's no food, I don't you know it would take plenty. It would take planning by.

H

Commitment, that's why I was asking yeah did a great job yeah for fire station two. I did.

H

I actually got a sponsor from the um from one of the banks because I went out and I asked for.

H

Sponsorship, but you know for a donation rather and then I asked neighbors to bring food, not.

H

Many did but well you know what actually I take that back. Many people did and thank you for your.

H

Suggestion about gather, because some people did bring some donations together as well. Some canned.

H

Foods, but I just made sure I did the work and I you know I prepared a list and invited people.

H

To help me out- and you know I said bring this like so I just I did- I got a lot of um sponsors.

H

uh Excuse me um donations from different from different organizations. They did walk. We had.

H

um Ocean road blocked off, we asked dpw and actually the state of department of what is.

H

It department of safety, they they put up cones along ocean road, so people could walk, but we.

H

Had to ask ahead of time, but an example would be like dungaro school, not everybody's, walking,.

F

To dondero, but they had a, they have a huge party there where they had a band out there. They had.

H

Yeah I mean it was like a festival, yeah they're, very buttoned up. We got enough people that can.

F

Coordinate it and you know the locations there's ways to figure out how to get yeah.

H

Years ago, like a long time ago, walker, bungalow and cliff road went across to upper broad street.

G

They actually had a block party kind of up there.

G

um Yeah, it was going way back, yeah way back yeah yeah, that's what I wear. I thought I thought.

G

Corrine had told me that if you guys want to go away back when I was a kid and maple haven was.

I

Developed it was based around the playgrounds, but it served the same purpose um two times the.

I

Summer, all the playgrounds which were in every single neighborhood, everybody went to over to.

I

One of my south, not south street, the leary field, yeah, and I mean it was never. There were tons.

I

And tons of people there I mean there was no hesitation about anybody coming because we had.

I

Like special from our neighborhood olympics, there was food, there was this and there was never any.

I

Issue about people not getting there, I mean there was always a big turnout, but again it was based.

H

In that case, around the playgrounds that was the center, but now schools make more sense because.

I

People who have kids usually want to get their kids involved and be part of whatever's going.

I

On at school, so I don't think it's a big obstacle for parents to try to get their them and the kids.

I

To wherever that night out, is you throw in big trucks and every other thing I mean there was.

I

Plenty adults that are attracted to that yeah, so I think the high school would be the best place for.

I

National night out plenty of parking all those fields, and you could do all these things like.

I

You're talking about have a poster contest with each community or whatever you can come up with.

I

But you can put everything there: they're drones and the armored car, and all of that and people.

I

Will come up for that and whatever food, how you do it so I mean that's just I mean it worked back in.

I

The day- and I think it could work now nowadays too, because people want to do it they're going to do.

E

It they just change the whole mindset. If it's not a walkable, maybe that's one of the biggest things.

E

But hey come on, but it's not a walkable and I don't know how you present, that of being in a.

E

Positive language is separating national night out from around the neighborhood party, so you you take.

I

National night, out away from that, you can still have all these organizations the reason I came.

I

Is because I've been working with friends of the south bend and I wanted to see how this all worked.

I

I mean I did everything without for cleaning cemeteries and stuff, like that, I mean it was.

I

The group of people that had the mindset to do it, so you know, like you said, maybe not every group or.

I

Every friends of whatever um is that active, but the people that want to be can still have their.

I

Block parties and national night out comes back for everybody, not just kids for adults, and you.

G

Don't want that to go away like you wouldn't want, because, usually that's the centerpiece event is.

G

The friends of the south end having that night is one of the centerpiece events, or I mean friends.

G

Itself, that has others also, but for sherburne, that was the one event that they had to make.

G

Sure everybody was together, so you don't want to take that away from those neighborhoods, but.

I

Maybe you add to it yeah yeah. Well, I was gonna say: maybe that forces them to be more creative.

I

Yeah, it's good to shake things up: yeah! Okay! Well, why don't we conclude at this point and with.

B

Any business that we had other than that national night out, we will handle to the next meeting. Okay.

B

So um when we just say that this meeting is over and um and I want to thank everyone for.

B

For coming and participating, I think we've moved it moved the the idea forward and thank you very.

B

Much kathy for uh with your ideas and scott and the two of you. Thank you very much for coming.

C

So, thank you guys for donating your time to the neighborhood. Yes, thank you. Everyone for coming.