City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Historic District Commission, 3 Aug 2022

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8.3.2022 Historic District Commission

A

What's up? Okay, let's get this meeting in order here. This is the august third.

B

Historic district recording in progress you're welcome, you're welcome. Thank you uh before we get.

B

Started I'd like to introduce the members of the board um on my extreme right. I have dan brown good.

C

Evening, uh martin ryan, good evening reagan, rudig, hello, my name is john wyckoff and next to me is.

B

Nick crock now good evening and rich blaylock, our city council, rep good evening, margo doran, hello, mr.

B

David adams good evening and karen bouffard good evening, all righty um the board's actions in these.

B

Matters have been deemed to be quasi-judicial in nature if any person believes any member of the.

B

Board has a conflict of interest. That issue should be raised at this point or it will be deemed.

B

Waived so our first order of business is the approval of our minutes. I was absent for july 6th.

C

I was there and I can approve july 6th minutes.

C

Second, one: second, anybody all those in favor all right again, and then we have the thirteenth.

D

Move to uh approve those minutes seconded second, all those in favor aye, all right.

B

All right, so we have that um part two administrative approvals. um We have.

E

A few 11. yeah we have 11, but um margo is recusing herself from two number two number.

A

Two, I'm sorry, I'm not recusing! I'm pulling pulling yeah pulling in oh she's, pulling okay, we're taking.

C

Out of the consent agenda, 404 islington street. Thank you very much. Thank you. Yeah.

B

Okay, so why don't we do number two, then okay, yeah and just to be clear. That number one is.

F

Being withdrawn yeah, why don't we number one? We could take care of very quickly, it's simply being.

E

Withdrawn this is the one requesting the vinyl siding recording in progress. Okay, I did it wrong.

E

um So do we accept the withdrawal of number one? Absolutely okay, okay, I'd also like us just.

E

For what it's worth to consider a discussion on eleven walden, just in respect to the conduit.

E

For that mechanical 407, the hill- there are seven items there I think would be worth discussing.

E

And 150 congress there are a lot of pieces to that. Nothing stuck out is offensive to my.

E

Eyes, but there were at least seven or eight items with that and then the last one 142 state street.

E

Seem to be not necessarily lacking information, but I'm not sure.

E

How everybody's going to feel about the proposal for the stairs and the land? I think we should.

B

Take those individually yes on each one; okay, so I would propose we do 4 6, 7, 9 11. First.

E

Because I think they're more straightforward, four being 53 rogers, which is an antique iron fence.

E

It's fairly, I have to get down to it, but uh give me a second here: 53 rogers.

E

This is the fence they're, proposing to put in the front yard on the screen. It's in your packet.

B

So it is a very nice fence, it's beautiful, you know what what do you get do? We need a.

C

Anything formal from the neighbor who's five feet, they're taking over.

C

Or the fact that they're not here is fine.

E

I miss that they're they're five feet on their neighbors, probably yeah, he's part of the packet.

E

And they said he said his neighbor agreed, but I don't know well, let's um stipulate.

E

What can contingent on approval from the neighbor? Apparently, you know according to.

B

Yeah he already has that all right, then fine, I think, without a written.

B

Approval on his even a deed type of thing that you know he's he's risking, you know his own fence.

B

You know it could come back and bite him agreed. So, okay, do we want to do something yeah? No, I don't.

B

Want to do it, let's just we're good with that, all right: let's go to 490 islington street, which is a.

E

An ev charger which I'm hoping will be the last time one of these comes here.

E

uh In this kind of location, but I wanted to ask you how we might handle eb chargers. This is a.

E

Tesla charging unit for the the homeowner at 490, islington street. It's pretty innocuous. We.

E

Have exemptions right now for things like hose reels on the side of the house, it looks like.

A

It's here because we just need to set policy on so my only question was: does the chord either.

A

Retract or or wind up, so it doesn't end up being all over the it does not retract. No probably it.

F

Looks like that loops through there like that, like a hose, would yeah okay. So, but it's pretty discreet.

E

It's like a hose, uh but just a formal question: yes, um because we're trying to promote obviously.

D

The use of electrical vehicles and chargers downtown in the historic district is something a.

D

Policy change we have to made by the city council to change no okay. No, this is an accessory used to.

E

The principal structure yeah, it's a change to the outside of the building. We don't have that spelled.

E

Out, I think it's analogous to a hose reel, which is already exempt from even coming to the hdc.

E

Yeah so, and it doesn't specify where the hose reel would even be on the house, even though they're.

E

They're rarely, if ever on the front- and I don't think you're going to find these on the front of.

E

Houses because of where the parking is located, but I'm sure that that's a hopeful thought.

E

I agree with you yeah, I agree with you well for one thing: it allows the charger to be used.

B

By somebody else yeah it's on the front you mean if they put it on front.

F

Yeah yeah you do that a lot.

B

I don't have one yet are we good with 490 islington, okay, 15 middle, and I guess 150 congress.

E

Kind of go together, so I did say seven and eight there appears to be some overlap. These are both in.

E

Common ownership, even though they're separate lots, the former salvation army at 15 middle.

E

And uh I think 150 congress isn't that the budding building right, yeah yeah, is brendan mcnamara here.

E

He is I'm going to summarize it and if they have questions you, you can come closer yeah yeah.

E

Okay, so come on up come on down and I know we were going to pull that. Let's just do it right. Okay,.

E

Can you just give us an overview of 15 middle, very quick and 150.

G

Quickly in terms of ownership and title there, uh 15 middle and uh 150 congress.

G

Also known as one middle street is, which is the home for jumping joe's in the offices.

G

They're owned by two separate entities that are owned by one individual and the.

G

So we've already been here before with you in terms of a condenser array for that services.

G

15 middle street on the roof of 150 congress, and we, this is also in terms with a similar situation.

G

Where to solve a kitchen hood problem, we're asking to put the hood unit actually on the roof of 150.

G

And but it's it's servicing 15 middle and it's in the hood is in this really weird.

G

Aspect of this lot and people don't believe it, but it's the the lot of 150 congress wraps down.

G

Down around the back of salvation army church down to porter street, so it's basically occurs in the.

G

Section that is a 10-foot wide lot and building connection between 150 congress and porter street.

G

Of which part of which, um again, you know again before you quite a while ago, is we've demolished.

G

Part of that connection that 10 foot wide building we've reduced it by 20 feet to create a.

G

An off-porter street dumpster area so yeah, so that's the that that's as you see it.

G

Today, um that's that wall has been. You know the building's been demolished, 20 feet and moved back.

G

And so the um the hood assembly would be up on the roof. There's there's an existing hood. That's there.

G

But it's in no way close to being co-compliant, so that is that it for 15 middle or do you want it.

E

Doesn't the window here applies yeah? Actually, I'm sorry I'll just bring you my.

E

Window here was approved as a half window, like the other three. If you look on the screen.

E

A full window was installed there. That's one of the items.

G

It's made a little complicated by the fact that all the things we're asking is actually.

G

Basically, to service 15 middle street at sacrifice of 150 congress street, so the.

G

Package is kind of duplicated because I've said for 150 congress. We want to put a hood on the roof.

G

And so it's part of that package, it's also part of the package for 15 middle, because it's the hood.

G

So there'll be another easement associated with the um with that. So yes, on this side here.

G

So in the that window, yeah just where uh nick's showing so that's how it was uh you.

G

Know when the original approval was done, it appeared like that when we came back to you.

G

When we were forced to go to fire rated windows, we'd actually said: oh well, let's there's a four.

G

Gang there, let's keep them four smaller windows, which was in deference to what was going on the.

G

Inside but then, when we got further down, I was like oh, this looks so much better. The way it.

G

Was originally approved, so that's why we've kept indifference to the outside. We have the.

G

Simulated double hung: that's a another one-hour fire rated window.

G

And um the there's another note on this uh to do there's a slight change at the it's essentially.

G

It's the space between the window, sill and the roof on the shed dormer. It was just a question.

G

Of the geometries of the pitch of the roof, and so the instead of having the the sill, the continuous.

G

Seal at the bottom of the window has been hard onto the apron flashing. It was forced to come.

G

Up about five inches, so there's a slight visual variation on that. That was that one. Then this.

G

This item is again back to the original approval. um This is to do with uh putting a.

G

Metal fence steel um balustrade that was originally. This is really something more in.

G

My mind I was for seeing the the rooms that come onto this first floor. Roof would are potentially.

G

Accessed through the windows- and I was like, oh people are going to go out the windows and.

G

Then they're in danger it's become less likely that they're going to do that.

G

So at some point we'll come back to talk about some sort of visual.

G

Barrier between the two buildings at this stage we're just going to address it with curtains.

G

On the inside, rather than doing it, it's sort of getting way too complicated at the moment like how.

G

How do you make the the view from those rooms across the roof of 150 congress and.

G

All the condensers and solar panels and that sort of stuff, so we've basically put in the too.

G

Hard basket, but it also seemed unnecessary to put a railing there. We'll still have the same.

G

Railing on the middle street side, because if you do get out there, you can fall off on that side. So.

G

And just as a note there like, there's the old church noticeboard thing there, we did remove.

G

That, but that was on the original plans when they were submitted. I'm sorry brendan. You said that.

A

The removal of that church notice board was in the original approval. I'd shown, I'd shown it in the.

G

Plans because it was on in the original approval and because it was there, I drew it and with.

G

Not really thought about it, it was like. Oh it's there I'll just leave it on there and it could.

G

Be cool and but as it turns out, it wasn't worth saving and we got rid of it. But so.

G

I regret that I mean this is obviously that for anyone who knows architecture, this building will.

A

Scream church, yes, but I hate to lose the tangible evidence of that aspect of it. I think that from.

G

This side that, apart from the fact of the science saying the salvation army church, I think that's.

G

The only thing was it or was it not approved without this? In other words, are we looking.

B

At this to remove this right now, I think he said please. It was on the drawings that were submitted.

B

It was on the drawings that were submitted and it was approved in that form. Okay. So now you are.

B

Asking for it to be removed. Yes, thank you and then the next thing is the gas meters they've.

G

Been reconfigured you can scroll down. I think I think there's a oh. No, it's not it's not a good.

G

It didn't have a good photograph of it. It's just a reorganization of those gas meters. They were.

G

Clinging to the left-hand side of that little recess there, um the whole gas supply to the.

G

Two buildings has been changed, gone from low pressure to high pressure and, what's going on.

G

And then this is a an addendum to the condenser array up there.

G

It's there's a lot of line sets coming out. It's pretty messy just trying to make some.

G

Sort of protective cover over those line sets coming out. We do also need to engage.

G

In a fire protection aspect of it, so the intention there is to just build.

G

A galvanized steel box around them, it's not possible to see it from the road in any way.

G

You will see it through the windows from the salvation army church, but that's that aspect of it.

G

And then there's more yeah, that's the this. Is the um you'll see in the original, drawing.

G

I had shown the it's essentially uh unwindowed, but it's a shed dormer. That was to.

G

Get ceiling height for the elevator and I'd shown it in the drawing, as this can as it continued over.

G

To intersect onto the slate roof of the wooden building, we chose to not do that in the field.

G

Because it seemed like that was more threatening to the slate roof, the slate roof. That's on the.

G

Wooden building is the original slate. We were able to preserve that mainly because we added a shed.

G

Dormer to it, so we could retrieve the things that have been subtracted and use that to repair the.

G

The slate roof, so this is a way of not coming over and interfering into that.

G

Slate roof at that level, which would have created a much shallower valley on the intersection point.

G

So we would, and plus it was visually more obtrusive, um the next one.

G

Yeah, the next one is um basically it's the closing up of um basement windows that occurred there.

G

There was the the one that's shown on the wood building is kind of like a ridiculous thing to.

G

Even exist, it's it's basically subterranean the um the the two that are towards middle street.

G

On porter street we've basically effectively forced to remove because there's hvac equipment.

G

Immediately behind it and then the intention is to preserve the center one there at the.

G

Bottom of the ramp, and that will continue to be an accessible point for the basement. But rather.

G

Than be a window to have it as a vertical v joint, you know panel, that's removable, and then this is.

G

Added to the condenser array on the roof of 150, there was an issue. It was a great idea with the.

G

Condenser ray it was all going to be concentrated in that one spot. However, they have a maximum.

G

Line set distance that they can travel and because of snaking. It was too far away for two units.

G

So there was already uh three units that were part of the jump and j's building so.

G

As to add two units in front of that, just to allow the line set run to again, it's.

G

Not can't see it from the street, and I think this that might be the last one yeah yeah wow.

C

It's a lot to take in there's a lot going on there.

B

If anything should have been a public hearing this, I don't. I don't know you don't. Okay,.

B

um So let's discuss this then right now.

B

Does anybody want to discuss it or are they willing to let it go as is except for the removal.

A

Of the notice board, I okay, I think everything else is either positive or was needed for.

A

Construction purposes and didn't make a major change in the overall appearance and and intent.

A

Of the building, okay, I agree, you agree yeah all right, so we have some agreement um so we're going.

B

To have a stipulation you want to do that notice board should yeah I'm in agreement with that.

B

Reagan is positive. I I didn't. I don't feel strongly about the notice board.

C

Yeah ask anybody else. I think it'd be a shame if there's no reason, there's no hvac system that.

H

Has to get put there that it would be taken off just because of the whim of the contractor, yeah.

I

Would it can I ask a question yeah, certainly, would it need to be rebuilt.

I

You said it's uh not in great condition.

I

Okay, so I don't feel strongly either way: I'd it'd be nice to have it, but it is no longer a church.

I

It could be used uh as a sign, but it's nice to have an artifact of the old front, facade.

I

But I'm not going to let it uh disrupt my ability to support this.

C

I mean I, you know, I'm torn because it's already gone.

C

Oh, it's there isn't it. I believe it's there. Still there yeah, if it's still there and.

D

It's yeah, isn't it brandon? No, oh! I looked at it yesterday. It's not there. When did it go.

G

It was removed when they were doing work on the the outside, brick it as happens. It kind.

G

Of disappeared, but there's no issue we have but photographically documented. We can reproduce it.

D

It's not it's not really the bigger deal. It's not a deal. Breaker.

B

It's not a deal breaker, but I'm looking, I'm thinking but yeah like I'd like four people.

D

At this point, I think I think it would add to the historic value of the building. Okay,.

B

All right, so you want to keep going nick. uh Where are we heading? Okay,.

I

I wrote that down we'll keep going uh so that took care of seven and eight.

E

So right so nine and eleven nine twenty one daniel is a door modification.

E

uh Let me get there pretty straightforward: transom, yes, transom over the door, the doors being lowered.

E

um I know tracy's here, but it seems straightforward enough.

E

Unless you have questions before and after the uh proposed picture, gets rid of the step is that what.

C

They're going to do drop it, so will the door get a foot longer or the the transition will get this.

C

One higher or the transom gets added. There's. No, it's not there. Oh okay, yeah all right! That's nice!.

D

um With your butters and everything.

D

E

We have to presume that issues the door is being lowered because of the response to the.

H

Change in grade by correct by the abutter- yes, yes, I see, but it is a separate property.

J

That may or may not be owned by the butter. It doesn't really matter be cool. If somebody in.

H

The process could throw in some new lighting, and you know something a little bit more tasteful and.

H

Galvanized conduit, I had a question: are those windows right being square versus vertically.

E

Oriented they should be rectangles.

H

Vertically, that's how all the rest of the lights and glass are the windows and the building.

C

Yeah just ask it yeah. These are horizontal. It's kind of hard to tell you look at the.

B

Ones with the fan lights over them and the pains themselves are almost square.

E

Right: okay: anybody else on occurred agreed on what did that the light should be rectangular.

I

Yeah vertically aligned, okay, so it would be a three light, so it would be a three of them I'll.

F

Just point out that the windows themselves, if you look at them, are nine over nine, the lights.

F

Are square they're pretty square, I'm just making sure everybody understands that. So I don't have a.

F

Problem with more square transoms because it fits with the lights in all the surrounding windows,.

B

Okay, let's polish, this off all right so as proposed as proposed okay. Well, we got one.

B

Head shaking up and down yeah here we go: okay, 169 lafayette is a wood fence replacement with a gate.

E

It's a cedar fence. The proposed fence here on the screen.

A

It's very very similar style, yeah, okay, a little bit different, but not much yeah.

E

So we have items in the same place: four, six, seven, eight, nine and eleven that we've just gone through.

E

And there were stipulations on sorry. Are you ready um just so everybody will know? I I.

H

Had an opportunity to speak with the owner on the island, the uh buffet project um and uh that the.

H

New fence is going to be built closer to lafayette than the current one, um and I went looking to see.

H

What was going to happen in terms of just peace to peace replacement and it? The suggestion was.

H

That they're actually going to try to make the uh cordoned off piece of the yard larger.

H

And he was going to move closer to the street just so everybody knows that that's going to happen.

E

Well, two things on that: the defense obviously needs to remain on private property.

C

You didn't say it wasn't, but it needs to be on not in the city right away.

E

And lafayette road is the front yard of this structure that fence along lafayette really.

E

Shouldn't be higher than four feet if it's being replaced, and this is and the existing fence may.

E

Be taller, I thought that was at the corner, uh it's in the front yard. It wasn't it's a certain amount.

F

Distance distance from the road yeah: what's the the front yard of your property, anything in front.

E

Of your house has to be four feet or less, then it can go up to six down the sides in the rear.

E

So I would just stipulate that- and that's well is this our problem, or is this the problem of.

B

The building inspection department, but we're all in the same team. And it makes sense for us to.

C

Well, we try to uh not have it slip through when the fence gets built and then.

E

Somebody needs a chainsaw right because they're not showing us on the map, give us the textbook.

E

Right not showing us where the fact is going, they are not. That was the question I had and.

E

uh Is the applicant here for that fence? Okay, then, I would just stipulate that the proposed fence.

E

Comply with the dimensional requirements for fencing.

B

Sounds vague enough which have been conveyed to the applicant okay, so.

E

It shouldn't be a surprise all right.

F

So all right so yeah I'll move that we approve, which ones: okay, four, six, seven, eight nine eleven.

E

With stipulations for the last one, eleven anyway just read a stipulation for 15 middle, I guess.

E

We'll say, or a 150 congress, maybe it'll go in both uh 15 middle, that the bulletin board be restored.

E

In kind or at least, or dimensionally anyway, second, second, okay, all those in favor, aye, aye, aye against.

B

All right now we're moving right along. Let's do 404 is linked to now yeah we'll do okay,.

E

Is someone in the audience yeah that'd be great? If you could come up, I will pull it up.

E

What's being requested, here are a number of egress windows.

E

That are presumably required under the the building code for egress.

C

Which one is this again? uh 404 islington number, two. Second one. I think a two yeah number two.

E

How are you good evening, I'm well thanks, christina o'brien from market square architects.

K

And so what um there was a walk-through done with the fire department. There are some.

K

Minor interior improvements being made to the inn and because of.

K

Some windows that are either inoperable.

K

Or not egress compliant, it was agreed upon between our office and the fire department and the code.

K

Official of the city of portsmouth that there should be some egress windows added. They are.

K

Filling in existing window openings.

K

They are either casements or awnings and they are made to look.

K

Very similar to what is there currently so, even though their casements, they will either look like.

K

The double hungs that they are replacing or look like the picture windows that they're replacing.

E

So it's the marvin window: how how many are there that are being replaced.

K

Four, I believe that are being replaced. No I'm sorry! Six! There are two on the side. If you.

K

See the um the views the lowest photo, the lowest photo here. That is the view from islington street.

K

So those were would on the side of the building. Yes right, there.

K

Two in line with each other right there, which appear to be, which will look like double hung's.

K

Although they will be casement windows and yes correct two right, there.

K

And then there are two on the back of the building, one right where your pointer is yep and one above.

K

Picture window um that will be an awning so again, they're filling existing opening sizes.

A

So my question is: what is your plan with regard to the rest of the windows, because these have.

A

Screened uh storms on the outside and obviously the egress windows cannot have a storm on the.

A

Outside so the hou the room, the house is going to have a combination of old windows with storms on.

A

Them and these modern egress windows on the old house that won't have those is that what you're.

A

Planning, or is there a future plan for the rest of the windows? I'm honestly not clear on that.

K

As far as I know, there will not be storms added, but I'm I'm not positive on that.

A

So if it's an egress window, you can't put the storm on the outside, then somebody can't.

A

Go out, okay, correct so so you're going to have a combination.

A

On the front of this house, um the entrance side of the house, I'll say I was going to.

A

Say not on islington street right, yes, I know so the entrance side of the house, which is the.

A

Main view of the house um will have a combination of windows with and without storms.

A

According to the plan right now correct, okay, correct, um I don't have a problem with putting.

A

In life safety absolutely not, but I'm reluctant to approve something that really hasn't been thought.

A

All the way through as to you, know what this means for the other windows, which I know are in.

A

Questionable shape with regard to operation, but they are last time I saw them. They were not rotted.

A

They were perfectly sound windows correct, so I would just like to know what the plan is.

A

Before we jump and and take a step forward that you can't then change back or to something else,.

A

Okay, anybody else out here: do you want to speak on this.

B

I'm not sure that you can't put a storm window over an egress one. Okay, I'm not sure about that.

I

So it's probably related to the ease of opening right I mean if it's, it can't be a triple trick.

I

Yeah, but if, if there's an emergency and if fire departments for a fire uh a fireman to go into the.

I

Dwelling they're going to pull that storm window off, so you know anyway, I'm not sure about it.

I

So I'm not going to let it hold up any, can certainly- and I'm not going to.

I

Suggest that it's a concern for me does anybody else want to talk about this I mean I. I.

F

Share margaret's concerns, but I don't know what the any alternative could be.

F

Because this is sort of how I don't know what any, what else you could do.

F

To make it look consistent and still be an egress window.

A

I guess what I'm asking is somebody: could we find out from the owner what the eventual plan is and.

A

Is there a way to do this all at once, as opposed to or at least have a plan or an approved plan?.

A

To change the windows out so that they're the same type that we know what's going to happen.

K

I don't think the intention was ever to change all of the windows just to add the egress windows.

K

Yeah, okay, um I mean, I think, that the changes are being made are purely for safety right, um and I.

D

I don't think yeah since we don't. I mean if this has happened, because this problem come before this.

D

Board, where we've had this exact um these exact windows, where we've had this discussion before.

D

I mean we, we've approved these egress windows before and sometimes it does match, but usually all.

F

The other windows are being changed out as well, so it has a more consistent look um but yeah. I would.

D

Hate to force them to change all the windows just because they're changing a few just to be safer.

D

So I'm fine with it as presented. Okay, so um unfortunately margo you seem to be the only.

B

One that's pressing on this: we have uh three other opinions and a lot of people are just.

B

Being quiet, so um that's fine with me. No, I know I'm just thinking. We should look for a vote. I.

B

I certainly understand what you're saying I could make one more comment, just because I.

A

Know the building very well, you might want to consider awning windows on the front instead.

A

Of casement, because somebody chopped off the eve return on this building and all the water comes.

A

Straight down and it's going to go right into your windows, been there experienced it. I would.

A

Recommend that you think about awning windows- okay, just for not future kicking yourself and thinking.

A

Right, thank you. So if you want to change it to warning windows, can you stipulate that.

E

That it's okay, if they're on anymore, so she doesn't have to come back sure, yeah they're,.

C

Not going to look any different unless they're open, okay, somebody stim uh stipulate that okay.

B

All right and that's the the front two right, the first two as you were, you thinking all of them.

A

I experienced I experienced water coming down and right into the windows, all of them all sides.

E

They can all be on him if you guys agree to that. Does it make any difference to me? Okay,.

F

I mean water is going to get in a case my window, if it's open, when it's raining.

A

Anyway, but these are these- are these have absolutely no protection whatsoever? Great.

A

Okay, that's fine with me I'll I'll move that we approve that with the stipulation that.

F

Awning windows are also acceptable in all locations. Second, uh all those in favor aye.

B

And against all right, all right thanks! Thank you! Thank you. So eleven walden.

E

It's a fairly straightforward application. The question, in my mind that others may have is the.

E

Line sets or the the conduit that's going up from the unit will be visible from walden street.

E

And I don't know what the solution here is beyond what they've proposed, but.

E

Is anybody here from walden 11 walter.

F

Right yeah, I mean they they've, tucked it back there behind this tree, the best they can right.

H

Typically, we have these kinds of units screened in some way. Don't we certainly yeah? um Is it.

H

Possible that they own enough property there to screen it on their own property.

H

They haven't been softly tight there yeah it's hard to read from here. I don't see the line.

E

uh Going through there so well, actually you you do. Where is it? It looks like the boundary.

H

Of the house- oh so it's coterminal and then that angle goes off the back.

H

Yeah, um so we don't even have room for the condenser uh they might barely, they might have.

H

Room for the commercial- oh I see right there. This is all being shoehorned in they certainly can't.

H

Get put on the back of the building because they have even less property there. Okay, at least that's.

H

What it looks like on the map- that's given to us yeah yeah! Well, that probably, if it even fits there.

E

They do have the ability to at least have a screen like a fin go along the front. So if.

E

You were walking down walden, you know, maybe it's with a return on it too. I don't know, there's got.

C

To be room to do something there from the other side, yeah homes, yeah, there's actually more view.

A

From holmes court than there is from all right, then you need a three-sided screen. Ohm's cord.

F

Well, I I think you know we could request a screen be put on. I don't know if we can say.

F

As long as the neighbors are fine with having it on, you know right on the property line.

F

The screen that they want right or requesting- um I would also.

H

I think we should I'm not a big fan of the line sets. I I just can't believe that there is no way.

H

In the house- and I won't say it's a tiny house but of a diminutive proportion that.

H

There isn't a way to get the line sets they need into the other. You parts of the house.

H

In some other way than wrapping them around and running them down on somebody else's wall, so I.

H

Mean on the it's, the back wall of their house, but it's I agree david. um I think it would be best if.

B

We move this to the 10th to the 10th I'd like to meet with the applicant. Would somebody make that.

B

Motion so moved; second, all those in favor aye, aye aye against. Thank you, mr chairman 407. The.

E

Hill, I know someone's here from southern, so if you could come up unit 6 through 16 on 407, the hill.

E

There are at least seven items that I counted in your requests. Do you want to just quickly.

E

Enumerate those and I'll pull up on the screen yeah absolutely good evening, guys.

L

um So first thing is going to be replacing the cedar roof, I'm just going to replace it.

L

With a white treated cedar, we did the building at 404 the hill last year, um if you're looking.

E

Okay was that which, which property is that we did the one at 404 for? Is it nicole smith? I believe.

L

We did that roof last year, um so replacing this roof and then, if you're, looking at.

L

This back side the right side of the building, there's a bunch of rotted clapboards, so we're.

L

Just going to replace those with prime cedar clapboards and then the bottom of the building.

L

The beveled water table is pretty routed all the way around, so we're going to replace that as well.

L

This little lattice enclosure that you see in the bottom left it when nick and I were on site.

L

We pried it open, there's nothing inside there. It looks like a small, concrete slab that maybe.

L

Held an old tank or something so we're proposing demoing that it's just kind of sitting there. It's.

L

An eyesore they have a sheet of plywood on the top of it, so water is just pulling and pouring.

L

Back towards the building, so we're going to try and get rid of that for them and then.

L

Replacing the front and rear entry with granite and then the big one is the front entryway. There's.

L

A drawing if you may have scrolled past it nick so yes, this is pretty routed, um so we're going to be.

L

Able to keep the half moon window the original door. Most of the rod is isolated to the bottom.

L

So we should be able to just take that bottom half replace the bottom.

L

With like and kind wood, replace the columns and then all of the intricate dental work.

L

If you get close, they've done some pretty shoddy repairs in the past. A lot of paint.

L

um So we found a drawing of the original that gives us the intricacies and we're just gonna.

L

We're gonna rebuild that to bring it back to its original form. There's a drawing right. There.

B

The columns don't seem too bad to me. The bases of the columns are yes, the bases are yeah they're in.

L

Pretty rough shape and then, if, if you get close, the the bottoms and the back sides of the columns.

L

Are all they're in pretty rough shape and again we'll we're going to try and keep as much as we.

L

Can original, I know that top moon we're going to be able to keep the majority of the door.

L

It's just really the isolated to the bottom. Really, it's it's rotted to the point now, where.

L

uh Jeff, the owner actually can't get it closed fully, but yeah when, when you get close, it's.

L

It's pretty rough on the columns and around that top overhang. So you know, most of this seems like.

F

Just repair replacement, yeah, yeah replace like and kind, and then the only thing that's changing.

L

Really is the front and rear entry back to the steps, the steps of the grain, so I have a question.

B

About this step, so you don't show any rail any railing yep. So it's it's right. Around 30 inches.

L

Where it's going to sit, what's that the height of the slab, it's right around 30 inches, so we're.

L

Going to wait to see once the building inspector comes, if, if it's at the 30, if we can get away.

L

Without the railing, if not we'll do a wrought iron railing on both of those, but it it's going.

L

To be real, close to where it sits, if it's going to meet where we need one or not, so we would like to.

L

Plan on no railing to bring it back to the historical significance of the granite steps with.

L

No railing and then, if we need to, we will install a wrought iron. Rail you'll come back here with.

E

That railing before you install it absolutely yep, yep yeah, we'll come back for that and then future.

L

Is uh the windows as well we'll be back? You didn't talk about the third floor windows. There's two of.

L

Them right, there are two um jeff wants to do all of them eventually, um so the where do I find those.

F

Yeah, they don't seem to be able to rv they're on the sides. Sides. Okay,.

E

So is it a harvey aluminum? There is a spec in here for a harvey window. So yes, we're. We plan.

L

On holding off on the windows for now the issue we're having is thank you, okay, harvey aluminum.

L

So no it's a wood window. The exterior is cloud. It's a wood window, yep the exterior. What's.

L

The bronze, then the bronze, is the color of the exterior, clad we're going to switch it. I believe.

L

We're going to go with an anderson, the issue, if you look at the ones that are in there now,.

L

That were approved last time, yeah the jam liner is white and it it's really an eyesore and jeff.

L

Doesn't want, how are you going to avoid that, so the building across the way the blue one has.

L

Anderson windows in there that are all black, the only white that you can see is where the actual.

L

Sash slides so I'm trying to track down that exact anderson window to see if we can get it in that.

L

Burgundy, cranberry, color and so we'll we'll come back with the windows as soon as we have the exact.

L

Ones that we're going to window yes, yep yeah, the anderson. We won't put anything but wood in there.

C

It's not wood, it's vibrating, yeah, the 200 or whatever, it's not a two. What is it? I don't know.

B

I would think that, uh if he's looking at another building that has these sashes the.

B

Same color as the slide, the balance um that it could be the architect series, which is the best.

B

Anderson, because a little bit better, we would have to approve that now, instead of the harvey, if we're.

E

Going to do that, that's all I'm just trying to make his life easier and make sure we know what.

E

We're agreeing to should we agree to it, so the columns are going to be replaced or going to.

E

Be restored, or you don't know yet once we get in there start taking apart, we'll know we're planning.

L

On replacing because it looks like it's more than surface damage and once we start taking it apart,.

L

If it is just surface damage and we can scrape it, then we'll absolutely do that we're gonna.

L

We want to keep as much original on that entryway as we can, but it's likely you'll only have eighty.

E

Percent of the door and the fan light from the moonlight right. Everything else is new yeah. Yes,.

L

The overhang in the columns and then the bases of the columns are, are pretty much gone right now.

E

Well, I was just going to raise what we've raised in the past with the granite steps that a house.

E

Of this, vintage should really have a smooth faced thermal cut on all exposed sides of the.

E

Steps and landing, so we don't end up with the suburban look rock face or something okay, so I.

E

We should stipulate that are we approving the windows now or coming back? That's coming back.

C

Right well, do you have to, I think you should come back. You should come back if you don't have the.

L

Window absolutely, I can come back for the windows, we could do it even next week. If you want to.

E

File something tomorrow just for those windows he has. He has no information on the anderson.

B

Windows at all, and we and we, you know, said that to other people when they come in with no specs.

B

And they just go well, I think I'm going to use the anderson, okay.

B

I'm in agreement with what tomorrow's the deadline to come in for next week as an admin approval.

E

For the windows, I'll come back as soon as I have all the specs for the windows, absolutely.

H

Just two questions, sir. Thank you very much about the stone stairs.

H

Can you explain to me the white cedar shingle for the roof, uh you said treated white shingles.

H

Shingles they pre-treat them so that they're fire-rated, because if you put regular wood.

L

Shingles up there, you could hit it with an ash and it'll light up, so they just pre-treat the cedar.

L

To make it a fire retardant and it's white cedar, yep, um okay, I can grab my phone. I can.

L

Pull up a picture of the building right: it's is that any better or worse than.

E

Arctic, yellow or western red, it's worse. I I just 50 years I never put a white cedar.

H

Roof on anything I have you, have it only lasted about eight years? Okay! Well, maybe that was why.

H

Exactly I'm not a fan of them, I I guess I don't honestly and I don't think the board's got.

H

Any great grievance over you putting a 10-year roof on, but it seems silly, but you know maybe the.

H

Treatment does something good to them. I don't that I don't know anything about. um Thank you very much.

E

If you wanted to switch to western red or yellow you'd, be able to do it, okay, without coming back.

E

Here: okay, um once you yeah, it's already a wood roof; uh okay, so we've got the steps.

E

The railing will come back, the windows will come back yep if we need to do the rings I'll come back.

E

And I'll come back to the window, specifications correct yep, I think that's it and the door. One.

C

Last question: you're building that extra foot into the old door. Yes, we're going to replace the step.

L

Yep, so what's that? Oh, no! No! No! The threshold's in the right place.

H

The threshold's in the right places, you're looking at the wood steers, are much lower than you think.

H

They should be the there's a very large last step to get into the building. That's going to remain.

L

Yeah right here that will remain we're just cutting the bottom piece of the actual.

L

Door slab where it's rotted yeah right here, rebuilding that bottom portion, yep.

L

Okay, that's not in your picture, right, okay, it's a repair element to remove and replace parts of.

H

The door to get it in better condition than it's in now, but the drawing doesn't have that step. The.

H

Drawing does not show the stat right, but the step will be there. Yes right, um I move that. We approve.

F

This with the stipulations that nick has already enumerated.

D

Second, okay, all those in favor aye. Thank thank you. Oh, what was your name, sir.

E

You just say it there, so the minute taker can get it michael, slattery. Okay, I'm going to spell.

E

The last name: okay, thank you thanks mike all right, what do we got left here? 120 142 state.

C

Is that the last one yeah okay, so number 10.? Is anybody in the audience related to 142 states.

A

Jump in and make a motion that we postpone this.

E

Can we just if, if people are looking for more information, it would be good for me to know yeah? I.

A

Would like more detail on the steps? The material appears to be pressure treated. We don't have.

A

A lot of I mean, I think, everything's pressure treated the columns, the the.

E

Treads the risers, the handrails, so these little cartoons they're not enough.

E

Underneath there you can all the details are in that not really. Okay, so is there something.

E

That the applicant might want to hear before they get here. That would be helpful.

E

I mean the drawing below, does detail the materials and the dimensions it doesn't.

B

Really detail how the balusters interact with the railings and it really doesn't. There's.

B

There's not much there. um I also I'm curious as to what um the material of the door is. uh I.

E

Yeah, it's a steel door painted okay. Fine! Could I uh make a recommendation for.

I

Future electronic copies is there a way to to uh put a page for each of the.

I

Each of the admin approvals, no, you have to look. You have to look above there. It's page 100.

I

So I have to go through 100 pages. Oh there's! Well, no, you can you. You have to use the uh bookmarks.

E

Bookmark the book I'm just asking whether it could be bookmarked, it is watch yeah first meeting.

E

E

Wow you've been doing that all this time, good for you and you had you haven't noticed this yeah.

C

Actually I haven't yet I've had to do it so funny, you're, the only one that does that. No, no, um no.

H

Some people just do it most discreetly, you too, I just go. You know: they're bookmarking, right, yeah,.

E

Okay, okay, so we're we're going to continue that till at least the 10th correct. Okay, yes, so moved.

F

Seconded all those in favor aye, aye against okay, all righty, so we're on public hearings.

B

Old business um work session, public hearing requested by 531 islington street portsmouth llc.

B

Owner for property located at 531, islington street dunkin donuts, wherein permission is requested to.

B

Allow renovations to an existing structure, new signage, siding and other exterior improvements.

B

As for plans on file in the planning department, said, property is shown on our system map 157.

B

As lot 5 and lies within character, district 4 dash, l2 and historic districts.

B

Who here is to speak on this uh good evening? Mr chair members of the commission, my name is sharon.

K

Summers I'm with johnny hue, tucker and chandela, and I'm here tonight representing joe salima and.

K

Dorothy salima normand, who are the owners of the dunkin donuts at 531 essington street, as you may.

K

Recall we were here a few weeks ago for a work session. We presented a design to the commission.

K

For one of the periodic renovations that we are required to do and which focuses primarily on.

K

Siding and some signage issues- and we received some great suggestions by the commission and.

K

Our eric our architect, eric madeiros who's with us tonight, went back and worked on those and then.

K

Resubmitted some materials I believe on july 22nd. In addition to that on july 19th, we went to the.

K

Zba and after a very long evening at approximately 10 30 in the evening, we obtained a unanimous vote.

K

Approving our speaker tower canopy and also our menu board. So that's that's behind us now. What we.

K

Would like to do tonight? um First of all mr selema and dorothy normand is here: are they both here to.

K

Answer any questions which the commission may have, but I would like to at this point simply turn it.

K

Over to eric madiros, who can walk you through the design changes he made since we were here at the.

K

Work session and then following that, as well as any questions that you may have, we would like to.

K

Receive an approval tonight as presented, so thank you and I'll turn it over to eric. At this point,.

K

Good evening, members of the board, um eric medeiros with aronian, associates architects.

K

It's nice to be back here, and I just I wanted to say thank you for the suggestions that we've.

K

Received thus far as we've worked on this project really briefly just to highlight.

K

The changes that have been made since our previous work session a few weeks back.

K

And hearing out some of the suggestions, we were specifically focused on the front colonnade of.

K

The building where we had those big, concrete piers as bases to the columns there have been a couple.

K

Of moves made in terms of design since hearing that feedback as it pertains to that colonnade so.

K

Two moves that the top the capital piece, if you will we're, actually going to wrap with a fiber.

K

Cement board cladding around it, just to kind of give it a little bit of a feel at the top. Where.

K

That connects to the overhang um thought doing that was to make it appear a little less flimsy.

K

Kind of speak to the volumes of the overhang above and also the volume that we're creating below.

K

And then to transition below the idea is to infill between those concrete piers.

K

um And sheath and then clad in uh clapboard the way we were doing with the rest of the building.

K

And what that will do is it'll basically create an extension of the building facade. That kind of.

K

Wraps down and speaks to the build the rest of the language of the building there. um So that's.

K

The intent with that, um if there are any issues in the field, we can kind of work through it, but.

K

The intent is for it to appear this way. It's basically just filling with stud construction.

K

The other adjustment that we made is, as it pertains to a comment that was made um regarding.

K

The white vinyl fencing that was proposed as screening for the walk-in box and gas meter.

K

So we've actually done away with that taken that same fiber, cement, clapboard.

K

Language and wrapped the walk-in box, in the rear of the building, with that it changed that out just.

K

To kind of again address tie it all in to also give the owner a product. That's going to last.

K

Longer could potentially handle some damage, so it's just a brief summary of the changes.

K

That we've had- and I just want to open this up for any questions or comments from the board. Thank you.

A

Oh, I'm sorry margo um a question on the view: south elevation 2 the.

A

Piers appear to be visible at the end, was the cladding that you're putting is it running.

A

On the outer side of the columns, uh the piers and then just stopping at the end, or is it.

A

Actually, wrapping and creating a rectangle in which the piers sit yes, so the intent is.

K

For it to wrap, however, based on the depth or the the width, I suppose of those piers.

K

It's not possible for us to get the siding to wrap it. So we're just looking at the trim with a trim.

K

That would wrap it up. Just it wasn't. I wasn't comfortable yeah, it's a little difficult to.

K

Read that way, thank you. I really appreciate the change here. I think this makes a huge difference.

A

In the overall appearance of the project- and I like what you've done, thank you. Anyone else.

B

Yes, martin, I I would just say that months ago we started out.

I

With no references to the historic district- and this has come a long way and and I think.

I

For the better and it's I appreciate your efforts and- and uh we actually you know.

I

I applaud that and uh yeah I'm glad we went through that twisted exercise. Thank you. Thank you.

K

Yeah, I appreciate your help. Yes reagan, I I agree. I think this is very attractive. It's still a modern.

F

Building but it has the language that um kind of fits in to the neighborhood, so I don't have any.

F

Problems with it, I think it's it's um again much improved. I just want to um again confirm that the.

F

Cement clabbered siding is a smooth finish rather than a smooth face. Yes, thank you.

K

Thank you. Okay, you must have heard anyone else. Okay, I'm going to open this up to the public.

B

If you'd like to speak, anybody concerning this project.

B

I don't think we have anybody online anymore. Is it do we? No hang on. Okay looks like everybody.

H

Has a good job: no, nobody has their hand up okay. So I'm going to close this public hearing and.

B

I look for a motion. Move to approve is presented a second yeah, some findings.

D

I think it preserves the integrity of the district and is consistent with.

D

The special defining characters and surrounding properties there you go: okay, all those in favor.

B

Aye, you have your approval, nice work. Thank you time to make the donuts.

H

You getting paid for that one. I do.

B

Okay, petition of sandra l smith dash weiss owner for property located at 138 gate street, wherein.

B

Permission is requested to allow new construction to an existing structure. Add one story rear.

B

Addition with steps and landing and exterior renovations to an existing structure, replace.

B

The windows, repair or replace, siding and trim, as for plans on file in the planning department,.

B

Said property is shown on assessor map 103 as lot 54 lies within general residence b in historic.

B

Districts evening um and whitney I'm here to present this, um the first page here just gives.

M

You oriented uh to the lot on the right-hand side, the building's really close to gate street.

M

And then they have a brick driveway and then this addition is going to happen. That's a sort.

M

Of an l-shaped building, the original structure had an addition, fairly old edition put on it. So.

M

We're kind of infilling that little l, so it just gives you a sense of where we are second page.

M

um This is kind of unusual building because it was originally, it might have been a butcher shop.

M

But it was a store front on the bottom and the the brick area with the the windows, the.

M

Stair configurations have changed, you know in the interior of the house, so.

M

The two doors are not really functional at this point, but this lower level, um the black windows.

M

Are two doors and two windows? Those will just be. You know repaired and kept in kind.

M

um We are proposing to replace the windows on this front elevation. There are six there and then the.

M

Side elevation. That's really hard to see. um There are four windows there that we're also going to.

M

Replace they're all the same size, they were a real mix of windows, none of them are original. Some have.

M

The ones in the back on that side elevation have like inch and a half muttons and then just a real.

M

Mix of things that have been replaced and we're proposing again to use the elevate um for all the.

M

For all the new windows, so this front elevation and this left side will just be replaced.

M

I did pretty careful measurement so we're going to be able to use the existing openings.

M

And can I just request for next time when you're replacing windows that um you give us just some.

F

More photographs of- what's I mean, like I take your word- that yeah there it's a mix and they're.

F

Not original, but just some sort of documentation would help us. Okay, thanks all right. The next page.

M

um Show some photos from the street this existing side elevation of the main structure. You can't.

M

Really see that that back addition, because the perspective, but to start with the uh yes.

M

I'll, let you just the gable end there. There are two existing windows, they're kind of asymmetric.

M

And there's a window at the top we're trying to reconfigure the interior a little bit to.

M

You know make it more amenable, so we're proposing to take away those two windows.

M

And add um two a little closer to the corner and then on the same offset another.

M

Double hung of the b size, this it kind of balances it out. It's a little bit of an asymmetrical.

M

Elevation anyway- and I felt like this- will greatly enhance how we can use the interior of the.

M

Building by making these changes the d window that you see on the lower left, you know the kitchen's.

M

In this corner and I'm showing that as a casement window, with the configuration of a double hung.

M

Currently, the counters run behind that old. It's really hard thing to maintain.

M

If you go to the right hand, side the upper portion is uh existing. You can see that window.

M

Gonna be keeping that window adding a skylight above it, and then this l-shaped it's basically.

M

Adding a little bit room to the kitchen and then the addition that runs along the.

M

That back l is a better entry in mudrum, as you can see in the photo.

M

You know right now: you come into there's a little corner thing, so you come in where the.

M

Two buildings intersect and it's really tight and there's no room for any kind of uh you know.

M

Place to put anything or even uh elbow room, the um the little shed addition that you see off to.

M

Up the main gable, there actually go back to the other yeah, um the one that's in plane with the.

M

With the existing gable, that's just going to be a simple shed and it's going to probably.

M

Be set back just a little bit from the face of this, because that wall is really out of skew.

M

Okay and again, the steps coming down will be wood wrens. I can go over those a little more.

M

Small casement it's in the bath room and in the mudroom and then you know a eight-light.

M

M

So the four of five.

M

Shows his existing skylight that existing b window that's going to get replaced and then right now.

M

There is a pretty wide picture window and what I'm trying to do here is I'm keeping a picture window.

M

About making it smaller and the reason I oriented the stairway is such that when you're sitting.

M

There you wouldn't be looking at any railings you'd, be looking towards the back of the property.

M

Another little e window on the bathroom part of that and then.

M

On this end, gable we're placing three windows.

M

Actually, gonna, that was a fixed window. Now that might change in size just a.

M

Little bit, I can't get into that space, but um basically a fixed another. One of these e.

M

um Windows, but that would not be an operable window.

M

And then the three panel sliding door french sliding door with eight lights that opens into the.

M

Backyard then I on that sheet, I have a little detail. It's just a wood rail.

M

Wood painted rail with vertical board skirting and cap on there.

M

Last page, just has you know the specs on the windows and doors.

M

Are there any questions.

H

uh If you don't mind, mr chairman, um I have a couple ann good to see you.

H

Let's windows that are being replaced like on the front facade of the building, a gate street facade.

H

But the frames are going to be retained, uh no.

M

We probably actually that's the other thing I meant to talk about before. Even I got involved.

M

The builder was involved with them and he did a lot of exploratory work and there's a lot of.

M

Rot behind the siding so we're most likely going to be having to reside the building.

M

So I would think we'd be recreating the trim. That's there when you say you're, I did nowhere.

H

In the plan did it suggest at least I didn't pick up in the plan that you were residing the building.

M

Oh yeah, on the first page I had a note on that or second page um yeah to a top of the section.

E

um Yeah extra renovation, existing beveled siding and this building's been had a number of repair.

H

Projects done on it, I'm sure you know that yes and the windows as they were installed, removed all got.

H

Different attempts at repairing the siding, it's a kind of a causative mess yeah, but but most of the.

H

Not most but a whole lot of the gate, street and driveway uh side of the building, if not more.

H

Is all traditional pine uh scarf uh joint collaborate, which is pretty hard to do with cedar.

H

Don't you think yep, and so is it your intention to just walk away completely from that history.

H

I hope not. um I could talk to the builder, um see whether he has an access to that that siding.

M

You know we're looking um okay moving from there to uh the.

H

Two windows uh on the uh what you refer to as the right side: elevation, the two.

H

uh Of what we'll think of is historic windows uh which are not centered in the gable end of.

H

The building and don't look like they ever were at least from the outside.

H

My spider sense says that you've moved those a little bit too close to the corner.

H

I say that because it's not uncommon in these old braced framed buildings to leave the windows.

H

You know three and a half feet or so away from the corner so that there was room for.

H

A brace and, and you, if you seem to be breaking that rule, uh is there any way to pull those back.

H

A little bit more from the question really um pretty tight. You know we're trying to.

M

Get a you know: functional galley type kitchen in this space, and you know given with that length.

M

um It would be difficult, and also, and also on the second floor, at the top of the stairs there's.

M

On that right side, there's a small little bedroom that we're going to be creating a.

M

Little study area and then have part of it be some closet space which is really lacking.

M

And so you know, the combination of those two is how I located those two windows.

H

And one last question: can you describe the foundation material that we're looking at when.

H

On the new uh shed additions on the two sidewalls on the two sides um combination now we you know.

M

Obviously, have a combination of brick and stone on the existing, and um I can do either a stone shelf.

M

Or do like thin brick on those, especially this this one here where you see it from the street.

M

Yeah well actually yeah. The next page, I think, shows a little better. It's kind of a dark.

M

Photograph, but um you know the the back edition you don't really see from the street anywhere.

M

But this little side edition, where you know that ties into the that you know at a minimum, we would.

M

Want to be doing that in um either a stone shelf or or thin brick. Okay, thank you.

C

Anyone else over here on the right hand, side.

F

um I'll just say I don't.

F

Really have any issues with the addition part of this. The.

F

Addition of the three big sliding doors and that one end is seems a little jarring. Just because.

F

It's so well proportioned and and um symmetrical as it is right now, um but I it does seem like that.

F

End of the building is not necessarily seen very easily or is it uh you can't see it from.

M

Any public way the the neighbor's backyard of the two neighbors they're, two sort of splits of.

M

Property in the rear yard, they would have a visual of that yeah. Okay, yep um we're just trying to have.

M

um There's a raised backyard which you can see in the site plan and we're just trying to get.

M

A really since it is such a small house, a real feeling of open um into the backyard sure. No, I.

F

Mean I certainly understand the desire for it, um I'm just kind of making sure that it's not.

F

Glaringly obvious from anyone, because it's a lot less, it's a lot of new glass.

F

um And I share mr adams concerns about the cloudbirds um and that you know certainly.

F

If they're going to be replaced, you would want to see at least the very narrow you know to weather. I.

F

Don't know how many inches that is, there's not a lot right um retained because that's a big.

F

Part of the character of the of the building um and I'm still concerned about replacing all of.

F

The windows but um and and I would like to again I'd like to see just better.

F

Documentation and kind of proof that these windows really can't be restored any further.

F

um I don't know if mr adams is familiar with it enough to say I cannot sorry. I.

F

um I'm glad that the the sort of base part where the brick is is all being retained, because that.

F

Is a very interesting feature of the house and is right obviously right on the street, so.

M

And we're matching the trim and stuff and most of the windows are way above you know.

N

They're really, even though it's the first floor, they're at second floor height, so yep like that.

C

Okay, confusing anyone else.

B

um Would anyone in the public uh like to speak on this renovation, with additions on gate street.

B

Nobody in the public here no hands are raised.

I

B

Okay, so I'll close the public hearing and look for emotion, discussion, whatever, let's go.

F

I'll make the motion to uh approve this, as presented with.

F

Stipulations um well, I think they're an outstanding issue, whether it is or not,.

E

Is whether the siding should be replaced in kind which includes both scarf joints and probably.

E

Pine or spruce, not cedar. No, you know it drives me crazy, mr cracknell, um the cloudboards that are.

H

All square-edged, as cloudboards were back in the day and the cloudboards are kind of significant.

H

Because not only are they part of the history, but but they are still there granted in terrible.

H

Condition and not reusable if we're shuffling windows, but I got that. But it seems like a lot.

H

To give up just to get some replacement windows to me, so I didn't feel I was getting we're getting a.

H

Full-Throated uh response from the architect and I'm honestly still muddling over the placement.

H

Of those two windows that she wants to move, so I'm I'm I'm being stubborn. I'm sorry do we have.

B

A second yeah: no, because we're just going through this! Oh I'm, sorry! So. The second item that was not.

E

Particularly well framed- and maybe it's a non-item, but it it's dave's, comment about the the setback.

E

From the corner in relation to the the brace that's likely behind that wall, that's going to be.

E

Removed in order to support that window placement, so I don't know where you landed on that I.

E

Think we landed on the the foundation for the addition being either a brick or a stone veneer.

E

So there were three things, but the first two I I don't know where you all landed.

F

I don't know what to say about it.

F

Signing in windows and that's fine, okay, is there a second well? What did you do with them? What, with.

E

Those two items replacement and kind of the siding. Yes, I I would like to move the the siding the trim.

F

Everything being replaced material dimension and then the windows be adjusted for the brace or not.

B

I mean yes, they should be it's unbelievable, that um you know, as david has gone over.

B

I just can't believe it I that they would do that. I guess I would ask that.

F

The applicant with further investigation, if there is bracing, come back to move those.

F

Windows so that they don't destroy the building. I don't I don't know what the consequences are for.

F

About at least 30 inches from the corner as drawn as drawn scale 30 30 inches is nothing for those.

B

Braces, wouldn't you say david, the braces are typically, they run close to four feet.

H

Usually 42 inches is what you have over window spacing a lot of times. I don't know.

H

Anything about the history of this building. I know what I used to seeing that's all yeah.

C

Maybe it would be a fair thing to give the architect an opportunity to.

H

Check on these things and postpone any decision on this until next week or why not.

E

Right yeah, why not approve it with the brace staying in place and- and you can have the right to.

E

Come back if it ends up being in the middle of the wall, uh you know you could come back and continue.

E

The conversation, but if you open it up and the brace can be preserved or you move the window.

E

Over to preserve the brace you keep going. Is that not fair embrace is what you're trying to say.

E

That's why you get the big well, actually we're just looking at the exterior of the building. You.

M

Know- and we can ideally yeah, does that work for you reagan sure I mean I it's no one knows where.

E

The brakes are no one knows where the brace is, but I and yes we're only looking at the exterior of.

F

The building, however, we're just concerned about the integrity of the structure so um well that.

M

Can be dealt with yeah, not the integrity, yeah, the historical integrity, historical integrity.

B

That's what I'm saying we've had buildings that have had minor collapses. Major collapses have sat.

B

There for two or three years- I just don't- want to see this on this all right, so the.

E

Replacement window shall be set back from the corner uh to retain the existing bracing on the.

B

Frame the structure and if you run into trouble, you can come back. Yes ask! Okay, all right! Second,.

F

um All right, this.

F

Let's see what I want to do, it preserves the integrity of the district um and.

F

Has relation to historic and architectural value of the existing structure.

A

C

Okay, yeah, okay. So all those in favor.

E

These guys want to start with a work session. I think okay, okay, yeah, we'll stay here.

B

Work session public hearing requested by 33.

B

Richmond real estate state llc owner for property located at 33, richmond street.

B

Wherein permission is requested to allow exterior renovations to an existing structure.

B

Remove and replace all siding and windows, as per plans on file in the planning department, said.

B

Property is shown on assessor map 108 as lot 17 lies within the mixed research office and historic.

B

Districts, who's presenting this dwayne watson with unified builders, all right, my entrepreneurship.

O

Yes, we're representing mr bolton, the owner at 33, richmond.

O

Who's employed us to assess the uh the windows and the exterior, uh siding and trim. That's been rotted.

O

And, moreover, in keeping with the historical.

O

District of the essence of the historical district, so we we went back and looked at old pictures as.

O

You see the cover of our presentation to try to determine how best to approach this and.

O

In consultation with mr cracknell and a few other builders and homeowners in the area, we found that.

O

With the original structure, there unfortunately really is no original materials or windows.

O

On this structure, in fact, the existing windows in the front and the siding were replaced in 1992.

O

And the windows in the back were replaced in the 1970s. I believe it was 1972.

O

However, what we found we did a window study on each of the windows, which is enclosed they're in.

O

And we found that on the front facing or the the public-facing portion of the structure.

O

That the windows are either repairable or, in you know, good enough shape to keep. However,.

O

The exterior trim, the wood, is completely rotted and is certainly not salvageable, so we propose.

O

For those windows that are in the in the window, assessment that are indeed either repairable or.

O

Salvageable that we simply replace in kind field painted smooth surface the um the exterior trim.

O

There are other windows uh in the that are not. uh We just got this today, so your powerpoint is there.

G

Normally this, if you are you speaking from this or from your yes, sir okay, normally we get that with.

E

The application not just before the meeting, so everybody here has not seen this before my apology.

E

So um we're gonna have to look at the screen to follow you. Okay, okay, is this where you want to.

E

Be right now uh sure with the existing conditions. um Yes, so we took some pictures of the existing.

O

Conditions we went around and assessed each of the windows to find those that were either repairable.

O

Or not, and what we found in almost all cases the exterior trim is, is completely rotted.

O

We fear in fact so much so that even some of the framing is affected by it, but on the.

O

If you scroll to the next one.

O

Yes, you can see where the the trim is completely rotted through.

O

Now the sills are are in terrible shape and if you scroll to the next one.

O

Yes, there again, the siding and the the window trim is completely rotted so on those windows.

O

Again, the next one just shows further evidence of the rot on the trim in the siding.

O

That's very good, so we, you know, we looked at other properties and we talked to other builders about.

O

What you know what we can use, what makes sense, and what, within the um historical district use.

O

What product we could replace and we used. We found this one example on 138 maplewood avenue.

O

Whereas they used the wood clapboards in the front and the hardy on the the sides in the back that.

O

Were not public facing and we're proposing to do the same we brought uh together with us today is.

O

The gentleman from uh hardy, the representative to speak to any questions that you may have.

O

With regard to the signing, now, if we could just forward through to the window assessment.

O

Which is further down- this is just some data on the.

O

Materials that we're proposing on the non-public facing side.

O

Pardon me so detailed in this window assessment on the next page, you'll see where we've listed by.

O

Window and again it's um it's detailed in there they're all labeled and with pictures that show.

O

Existing uh conditions and, moreover, uh what it is that we plan on doing with them in the case.

O

Where the windows in the front structure that were placed in 1992, the the public facing and.

O

On the sides which is faced from the street, the uh the are rotted, the trim is rotted, it's wood. We can.

O

Replace unkind and paint out in the field, but still salvage those windows, so we wouldn't replace.

O

Them the windows, however, in the back, which are not public facing as you'll see in the pictures.

O

uh They're they're just gone, I mean they're, just they're rotted and in some cases there's aluminum.

O

Bases that are just completely rotted out, so our we brought our window rep here as well.

O

Today, to discuss what we would like to replace uh those windows with each one.

B

Could I ask you a question: the windows that are in the front.

B

1992 windows: what do they use for a slide balance? Are they the aluminum balances with.

B

The springs in them or what are they mark? Do you recall? I believe they are spray promoting.

P

Marvin wood wind every single blaze with a tandem storm mop to do that.

B

So there's a storm on the actual sash.

C

Okay, thank you.

O

There again, there were some windows in the assessment that needed no replacement, simply.

O

uh Repainting the trim we could salvage that we can scrape and paint in the field.

C

What's the window they're proposing for the back, that's a good question. um Yeah. Have we gotten.

F

To the point where you show us the window that you're proposing for replacement in the back? Yes,.

E

How far in here sure that must be the back? um Yes, if you looked at.

O

Remember it's just a bad print for me here sorry looks like number seven. For example, uh I'm quite.

E

A bit past that right all right or is this: I guess what you're proposing the new windows to be.

O

The new windows- yes mark, comes a window man. Okay, if I work from this angle over.

P

Here no you're going to need the microphone if you've stepped away. My wife's in line for.

P

A lung transplant take the mic. Take. I can speak loudly from here. Take the portable.

P

There's a portable mic on top. You could take that out and stand wherever you want to stand.

E

Yeah, thank you yeah here like under johnny, carson yeah. It pulls up and it's on.

E

It's on don't touch it you're not going to hear it just speak. Okay, I think we're.

P

At a wrong slide right now, where would you like to be.

P

I'm trying to find this is windows 7., um let's go into the back. If you don't mind.

P

On the back yet going to the annex, building in the rear, uh just keep going.

B

There there that's the bag, here's right here! These are the windows, we're looking to propose.

P

To replace in the rear, annex building that really isn't visible from the street, except from the.

P

Sun room in the corner and actually the green that is highlighted and maybe window number 12 next to.

P

That that's pretty much where you get a lot sight line from the street about 40 feet back from the.

P

Sidewalk everything else is not visible from the street, so we're proposing to replace those with.

P

The tribute vinyl series by harvey, which would have this um this type of series here with the.

P

Simulated divided lights, exterior grids, grates between glass also has the appearance of a.

P

Routed sash line on the rails and the styles for the wood appearance. On that.

P

We've researched some wood products as far as marvin geldwin. The ultimate objective was.

P

To get not only aesthetics but also thermal performance and the only one that would meet.

P

The criteria of thermal solar heat gain and air infiltration was the harvey vinyl tribute window.

P

The anderson, the geldwin all came at a 0.3 air infiltration.

P

This came at a point: zero one in the sense of layman terms, a point three will give you an.

P

Air exchange on a 12 by 12 room, basically, every 4.8 hours, a .15, which is a good wood window, clad.

P

Otherwise, we'll give you an air exchange about every 12 hours and a .01 will give an air exchange.

P

Every six days, so the client's looking for something that's going to give you, can you.

B

Bring this up here, please look and see what it looks like yeah I'll grab it from him.

B

I'll pick it up he's been carrying this thing around for years.

B

He's been carrying this thing around.

E

The microphone or they won't pick you up.

P

There'll be a total blow-off for a new construction. Then they'll get the.

P

Historic sill three-sided flat casing, with the existing shadow molding around the three sides.

P

The jams and the headers so look exactly like it is now, except it will not have a storm on it.

C

So that's we're proposing for these openings that are in the rear of the building.

B

Is that just the top, or was it also the bottom windows too.

B

Was the bottom windows all these here, it'll? Be all the windows in the rear of the building. It's.

P

Like the annex building in the back with the extraction of the bump out and then.

O

Right here, correct those are still in good shape. Those are going to stay. The bump out are any of.

B

These required to be egress fire windows. There are two um which would be the exact same. Look as that.

P

One of these 11 or 12, which is in that bedroom, will be an egress window.

P

And either 15 or 16 will be an egress window. We may choose 12, we may choose 15 on that.

P

And again, it's going to look exactly like this, so it's going to be a casement window.

P

And it will have a simulated meeting rail and, of course, the simulated exterior grids.

P

Divided light on that and that'll be a 5.8 5.8 square foot opening to meet that.

H

When you put us a wood casing around that, where does it go.

P

uh This would be actually right right at this point here, where that beveled.

H

Area touches the flat area. The nail flange sits back about an inch from the outer frame.

P

So an inch two and a half inches goes into the opening and into this window sticks out and that's.

P

Where we put the five quarter, which is almost one inch pvc, that's just buttered into that, then.

H

Okay got it, I think I got it. One inch is the nail flange mount from the exterior frame and that's.

P

Where we mount the casing right around that he's using it and then the historic still also.

B

I guess the question that we had over here is the um the you're using five quarter casing.

B

So what is the projection of that beveled portion of the window? Is that going to um project out.

B

Beyond the five, this will project out beyond that. That's correct, yep, so your case is going to be.

P

Flush with this, and this will project out, which is almost an inch yeah for the screen track. Okay,.

B

Any notes some questions, I have a question: uh you're gonna, take it down to the rough.

I

Opening that's correct, okay, so karen that's your question or whether it goes into the existing.

C

Oh the replacement window yeah. This is you're right. Are you asking about replace.

I

Doing it yeah it's going to go down to the rough opening and, and so.

I

It'll be like a new window: construction, correct, correct, so the the nail flange.

P

Will be mounted to the sheathing okay and then, of course, the siding well casing will go on.

P

Top of the nail flange after the flashing insulation and then the cladding will butt.

P

Right up to the the casing of the window after it's installed for the new construction, so is the.

A

Glazing of the window that you're proposing the same as the glazing of the existing window, glazing.

K

The size of the glazing is it window if the visual opening it will be the same exact size, there's no.

P

Reduction, there's no enlargement and it'll be nine over six. uh We're proposing these are go.

P

Currently, they're on unequals, correct and they're equals in the front we're proposing to maintain.

P

The six over six maintain the same continuity from the rear with the front itself.

I

Well, I just said: do you work for harvey or are you a window? I used.

P

To be an architectural rep for harvey, and I work for granite state, glass, okay,.

P

The commercial group I was just gonna, say I I have a hard time, a.

F

With vinyl windows in our historic district, I can't think of very many.

F

If any approvals we've had, since I've been around that have been vinyl in the historic district.

F

And particularly because the the projection of it, the this screen track, is so chunky.

F

Because of the vinyl that it sticks way out um and I I would have to.

F

Say that I I think you have to continue the nine over six. It's been there, it's been replaced even.

F

Though it's from the 1970s, they obviously made an effort to replace what was there before.

F

I'm guessing maybe they did some. I don't think the owner is going to have an issue with an.

P

Unequal sash, if you will, it was a suggestion just to maintain the continuity of what's in the front.

P

Sure, when you have that 45 foot distance from the sidewalk that everything is looking yeah.

P

The same, if you will but maintaining the same unequal sash is not an issue at all.

F

I just yeah I I'm actually going to be right, but we'll still do that sight line.

P

That meeting rail I know yeah, I know how that works. um I'm just gonna, I'm gonna have an issue.

F

I don't think I'm gonna be able to accept except the vinyl windows, just because.

F

The chunkiness of it of the projection of the muttons of the whole thing um that vinyl.

F

Creates anybody else? um Yes, commissioner, chairman, um I'm agree, I have to agree with christian rudig.

D

um I think once we open the box on the vinyl windows, um you know we'd have to allow everyone.

D

To have them well, we don't have to, but you have to, but you will hear about it and yes, we wouldn't.

D

Be treating our applicants as fairly um so I will not support the vinyl windows.

O

Is that just where it's visible from the street, or are we saying even.

O

Where it's not, there are some commissions, historic district commissions. That only view things from.

H

Public ways this is not one of them: okay, and so we're not used to having that question asked if.

H

You don't understand what I'm trying to say. It's not like. We don't understand what you're saying.

H

It's just it's not how we view things, because there are neighbors and even though there's.

H

There's a street public way, there's also an extra neighbor and that next door neighbor sometimes.

H

Has a view of your property, and you know that that's the case understood.

B

um So we also have the the certain messiness of the party plank being used on the sides.

B

And the back, there have been times that we have allowed the siding.

B

On the front to be the wooden clapboard siding and then I have allowed in certain conditions to.

B

Have it go back and be on the back this, the one side and I'm not sure what side it is.

B

The right hand side that's very long. That's a strawberry bank, snack! That's.

B

A strawberry bank side yeah, so I myself have a problem with that being hardy.

B

I don't have a problem with the back being hardy, I'm not sure about the other side. That's the.

B

Side, you see when you walk down the hill, isn't it from pleasant or am I you mean the left hand side.

E

The left hand, when you come up from pleasant, you see the other side.

C

um At least the frog.

B

I can see where the flower boxes certainly didn't help. This house.

B

Dear I, I took a pretty close view. If you will allow me for a moment.

H

And there isn't a single thing on this building that is, was there before 1972 or.

H

1992., it is the most profoundly rotten piece of house. I've ever seen. You've been in it.

H

No, no, I'm sorry only viewing from the outside. No just, but it's something dramatically wrong.

H

Inside this building that that's happening just dramatically, that that was my concern too. If.

F

The repairs on the front are not all that old and they're, so rotten so what's happening, there's got.

F

To be something wrong with it from the inside or water coming in or water being wicked up from the.

F

Basement, I think that I mean you: can you can put a hearty on there and make it waterproof.

F

But it's not going to solve the whatever water issues there might be going on in this building.

O

Yeah we expect that there's some flashing issues and we certainly know that the water coming up.

O

From the street, because the wood is right on the street, so the front foundation's been replaced at.

H

Some point: I assume the old federal period stone cap on the foundation that granite lentil. If you.

H

Will looks like it was replaced with concrete block back in the in the 40s, um and I wonder.

H

If that isn't letting water into the basement, because it's so porous, there's something there's.

H

Just something dramatically wrong: uh I'd really cr! We did some really crappy installation programs.

H

In uh in the 70s and 80s on a lot of houses, unfaced insulation, no vapor barriers, uh I've seen.

H

An awful lot of decay- this is just unbelievably decayed. Are you intending to do interior work.

H

Here also, it's nothing to do with us. Just part of this conversation. Yes, no, absolutely once we start.

O

Our demo, once we get past this stage and start our demo see what's actually behind. You know.

O

What what to expect and address it we're fully expecting their issues. Well, we know there are so.

B

But until you get in you, don't know yeah. So so um yes, martin, please.

I

You know it makes it makes it sound, like you have another window, you're proposing for the front.

I

Is that the case well, the front actually are they're all salvageable they're, all in.

O

In fair to good shape or repairable, I missed that sorry, yes, our intent is just to replace in kind.

O

The exterior trim, that's rotted on the front. I got you so what type of windows on the front.

P

They are marvin single glazed windows installed back in the 90s.

P

And they have a tandem storm that was mounted to at a time of manufacture.

B

But there's a storm window also on this or not on the original windows in the.

P

Front yes and the sides, the front building number 35 has those marvin wood windows.

P

Single glaze, true divided light with a tandem storm window on the front mounted to the frame so.

B

When you say ten, you tended uh storm window you're, not um using uh another term, for what anderson.

B

Or actually brosco, I think, would call the energy panel. It was mounted to the.

P

Window when it was manufactured, so it came as one piece: yeah yeah, okay,.

H

That was another bad week.

B

Probably a lot of the problems with this stuff also is um improper, caulking painting.

B

Closing up weep holes in the storm windows so that the water just sits there.

B

There's a lot of evidence there's a lot of that kind of stuff. Given the comments, do you have a a.

E

Plan b for the window, or is that the only window you're you're putting before them for the rear.

O

For the rear, yes, it's a working session. Again we presented what was the best performing window out.

P

There, based on the fact that it was behind the main building, so you don't have any other windows.

E

What you're saying? No, so the other alternative was to ask the question. The alternative would be.

P

To propose an anderson, 400 series: okay, I've heard anderson mention is that the several people is.

B

There that's the five record, the five brexit interior, the anderson 400 series has either a.

P

Vinyl, clad exterior or the innocent 400 series wood right window has a fibrex exterior.

P

The innocent a series has a fibrex exterior with fiberglass sashes, and the anderson e series is.

P

All aluminum clad so to get to something where you don't want this box with the anderson series.

P

With the 400 series be acceptable to present as an option, it's final yeah. We um I mean the wood.

P

Yeah, so the wood white or the a series are acceptable. Yes,.

P

That's good. I got a wood right in my bag.

O

That's our plan b, okay,.

B

With the nine over six with nine over six nine over six and what about the hardy.

E

Versus cedar or yeah, we need some opinions on that in the spirit of compromise, um could we.

H

uh Suggest that the l, the uh uh hearty plankt and the old, what we'll call the original federal.

H

One-Room deep building be woodsided uh and to take care of the chairman's issue of the long side.

H

To place a faux corner board separating the front part of the building from the hell part.

H

And have that be the joining member between the wood and the harding flank on that side,.

B

Is there a division in the roof that would make that appear obvious.

H

Maybe mr cracknell could find one in the drawings that are before us on that long.

B

Side is there, so it's a hip. No, it's not a hip. The old house has to been a hip yeah, but it's erased.

C

This is it okay, so there really isn't a no, but I'll bet you could find it. I mean well.

H

No, that's not true, it's all the sightings, damn all the cornice work and everything's gone yeah.

H

Yeah I mean the in my opinion. The problem with long runs of the hardy board is that.

F

Eventually, over time, they kind of get saggy and and wonky good they sprung. Forgive me this is.

O

Our hardy board, hey everyone. My name is dave elkis. I work for uh for james already.

J

uh Live right in portsmouth, so I'm happy to uh address any questions concerns you.

J

Guys have so I'm coming in you you're saying it gets wavy or I I've seen just over time where.

F

It started and maybe it's a a matter of it not being installed properly, but you know if you're.

F

Looking down a long run of it it, you know after time, it starts to kind of get sag and get a little.

F

Wavy or out of plane, we've seen some in in fact here in portsmouth, ironically, on.

O

A condo building that we managed that, uh yes, it was very poor installation, because the.

O

They just did not follow the instructions on.

O

How to properly or they just weren't trained on how to properly install it. So we've seen that.

O

Actually yeah, unfortunately, that is the case. um You know not not 100 of the contractors.

J

Out there follow our our best practices, so unfortunately, I've seen some horror stories.

J

Of product falling off the wall and there's so many different reasons of why that happens,.

J

Unfortunately, again you know the best practices aren't always followed. Things aren't nailed.

J

Correctly fastened correctly, for instance, a lot of old old structures, don't have consistent.

J

Studs every 16 inches on center, like you'd, want in a perfect world. So you know you might see issues.

J

Where someone follows 16 inches on center they're, not hitting studs and they're, not following um you.

J

Know our recommendations of you know what to do on old, existing structures when you're only going.

J

Into 7 16 sheathing, which the nail and fastening schedule is going to be different there. So you see.

J

Stuff but missed like that, uh unfortunately, all too often even if this knows, I think we found the.

E

Demising line dave: if you look at the screen, then you can look at your ipad after there. It is right.

H

There right there, yes, that's it, that's where it would have transitioned you see the clapboards.

B

Are yeah they're lower here I see it yeah. I see it good eye, so the idea would be to put.

E

That corner board there and then start the hardy at this point. So knowing what I know about hardy.

B

um It seems to me you're, probably going to end up re-sheathing the back and the side simply to.

B

Have proper nailing for every board, essentially, and also to maybe try to flatten it out as much.

B

As possible, because another problem I've seen with the hardy is it that doesn't.

B

Colonial home, sometimes the sheathing or you know something something like this and.

B

The hardy doesn't do that very well, you know yeah. So that's a question I guess I have is.

B

That something that you've considered, that you might have to do resheathing absolutely.

B

Yeah yeah, we would agree with you on that john. Do we have a spec. I couldn't tell you what it is.

J

Off the top of my head, but there is a certain amount of variance where a little they'll say.

J

Hey you know, that's something you, you should risk, you know rishi, so you have a good flat substrate.

J

So but then the wooden clapboards can go over the old sheathing, especially if you use the you know.

B

A rough cut sheathing board to repair any rotted sheathing boards that you find so that they're all.

B

The same thickness and you can put the uh wooden clapboards back over the wooden sheathing. This is.

B

This is really not our purview. It's neither here nor there, I'm not really shooting.

B

Well, do you think yeah part of the problem.

B

I'm tending to agree with david um that the wood siding should go around the corner. Three sides.

E

Of the federal yes yeah, so that the actual federal building itself, the original building.

B

The three sides of it should be wood, clapboard and the rest of it can be hardy.

E

Including the rear of the, is there a trim spec also on this uh boy, I would hope that they're.

E

You're going to replace it and kind of replace it yep. So if it's four and seven eight you're.

B

Gonna put four and seven eights, because that is popular size for some reason I don't know why.

H

And just uh not that you've got all of this sized or all of the numbers worked out, but.

H

Typically, in buildings of this period, the club boards.

H

Have a tendency to line up with the sills of the windows and the headers of the.

H

Windows: it's a thing that not everyone pays attention to, but it's sort of a a smart look.

H

If you can do that, have you ever I mean experience with doing things like that. I haven't doug of you.

H

He has not. Everybody manages to pull that off, but you'll find that other windows on the same.

H

Facade actually do work out and then just point of clarification. If we, if we're using hardy on here,.

F

It's going to be the smooth finish. Yes, not the faux green finish. We have the example here, both.

O

The wood and the hardy product we painted both of them, okay, great, couldn't tell the difference.

O

Unless you knew it so absolutely smooth, that's great, and so we have anderson's on the back.

E

Anderson's in the l, the wood right or the a series, the fibrex.

E

We have the uh the trim is going to be replaced in kind. The hardy uh will only be.

E

Used on the annex in the back of the original federal up with a full corner board being.

E

Installed at the demising line between the the hardy and the and the wood, siding and.

E

That all the wood trim will be replaced in kind uh around the windows and there'll be nine over six.

E

uh Sash pattern pattern. I have one last question: what is the reveal on the hardy board.

C

Because it's the only thing separating it, but it doesn't have to match right.

E

That's a problem, that's a problem with hardy. Isn't it don't you? This is sure, can't you do four inch.

J

Yeah, you can do four inch and then um you can also uh cheat our product so that, for instance, to line.

J

Up windows, the bottoms and tops you could do that so, for instance, if you had a weird exposure of.

J

You know four and seven eighths inch you could you could cheat that and match that as well.

J

So we have a four or five and and there's some wiggle room there. You know to match things up.

F

Much more than four, though right, no, no, no, not more than four yeah yeah. It's going to.

E

Be hopefully, you can cheat to three and a half if that's what you need to do to match? What's on the.

J

Yeah, okay, yeah I've seen some contractors do that um years ago we had a contractor that did some.

J

Work in the historic district- and you guys have proved something where they had that um feather.

J

The exposure yeah really really small, I want to say, even even tighter, of an exposure than that.

J

Probably rip the hardy down yeah, you probably did that yep, um which, as long as you're sealing edges.

J

You shouldn't have a problem doing that, um but yeah okay, you know I'm happy if it's good you're.

E

Here in the city keep an eye on it, yeah yeah. Thank you very much. I just have unless oh margaret.

A

A quick question in the presentation that you that I have on my ipad um there's a shed that's showing.

A

And a solid board fence are any of those being worked on, so the the shed in the rear we're just.

O

Going to scrape the paint- that's that's all we're doing with that, and the solid fence with all the.

A

Iv on it, yeah that's in bad shape, we're going to repair that in kind repair and kind of. Thank you.

E

Same with jimmy's repair, chimney's same deal same deal, yeah there's a lot to do. Okay,.

B

So I'm going to ask if anybody in the public would like to make comments on this.

E

Nobody on nobody online, nobody online, um so it's been suggested that, um because of time.

B

Constraints that we could go right from this uh to the public hearing and vote should we vote for the.

B

um The closing closing this one just vote so moved to close. Second all right. So all those.

B

In favor say: aye, aye, okay and um so now we'll have the public hearing and uh I don't think.

B

We need to go through this because nick has a very established um stipulation list here.

B

Right, which is going to be right into the public record, um so need a motion. If anybody would like.

B

To make a motion, I think it would be behoove us. Mr chairman, I'd like to move to approve this petition.

H

uh As um presented with some stipulations by mr crackdown, told me to reread a second.

H

I think for the purpose of the public, you should the nine over six window. uh These.

E

Are no particular order. The the sash pattern should be nine over six and the in the annex.

E

For any replacement windows, which shall be the anderson, wood right or the a series, fibrex windows.

E

A full corner board at the demising line between the original federal structure and the and the.

E

L shall be installed to delineate uh the replacement wood siding from the.

E

Hardy siding that will be used on the l and the rear of the federal original federal building.

E

The hardy will have the smooth side out and all trim and window trim and corner boards will be.

E

A replacement in kind also the reveal yeah and the reveal will will match the yeah, the siding and the.

A

Chosen window type, oh, we got that. I got that, did you have the wood siding on three sides? Yes, okay,.

E

Everything about the back all righty, um so we have a second and uh all those in favor say: aye aye,.

B

Aye, oh excuse me: yeah enhancement of uh property, values and uh maintenance of historic character.

C

That's good! That's great! Okay, all those in favor say aye hi,.

B

You have your approval. Good luck, we're watching.

E

Does anybody want a question.

B

We need a break or we want to continue, keep going. Okay after this okay yeah, oh yeah,.

E

One congress: okay, did you postpone the walton at the beginning, we'll just quickly do it? I'm.

B

Sorry, 243 homes. We need a motion to uh request to postpone seacoast management, consulting llc owner.

B

Property located at three walton alley, wherein permission is requested to allow new construction.

B

For an existing structure, what's that I'll read it, I won't read it at all, so move the move.

F

Okay, 43 holmes court right, that's where we were at. I thought we're just going to postpone in case.

E

Anybody's watching, okay, um so we're also going to have a request to postpone 43 holmes court.

B

Llc owner for 43 homes, court, which I won't read anymore through october. Second, all those in favor.

B

Now, moving back to e petition of one market square llc owner for property located at one.

B

Congress street, wherein permission is requested to allow renovations to an existing structure.

B

Repair and upgrade building facades along congress and high street.

B

New construction to an existing structure, replace rear, shed editions with a new four-story edition.

B

As per plans on file in the planning department, said, property is shown on assessor maps 117 as.

B

Lot 14 and lies within character, district, five, downtown overlay and historic district welcome.

N

Good evening, chairman members of the commission and planning department.

N

Tracy kozak with arc of architects here on behalf of the applicant one market square,.

B

Thank you microphone up a little bit. Thank you for having us back. Thank you.

N

We had four work sessions. We took a month off to visit the zoning board for a variance in height.

N

Which we did not get so we have reduced the height of the building and we're back.

N

Taking into account the comments from the previous work sessions and the height reduction, uh just.

N

The clarification we now have a three-story building with a hip-hop answered on uh like the.

N

Earlier description, which is a carryover from the previous design, which you just read,.

C

This you can't advance it you, okay, okay, just checking just tell me all right so uh summarizing.

N

We reduced the height, we adjusted the dormer on three pl three congress. We have some more.

N

Details and I brought some material samples which I can pass around as well, so I'd be happy to go.

N

Through the package, but you just had to drop something down two feet or something you could.

N

Put nine and three, it sounds simple: it's not! We. We took a little bit of height out of everything.

N

We we lowered the mit, the hip, hop answered roof. We took down that top cornish line so originally.

N

We had aligned and set the datums of the cornice and the window lines and the um that storefront.

N

Band line we had aligned it with the building is connected to and the building across street, but.

N

Having to take that much hide out of the building, we shrunk everything down a little bit. Basically,.

N

The biggest difference is when we look at the elevations on high street. I can go through those.

N

They're incremental, but they all add up so sure, um so we lowered the whole roof.

N

As as a hat it just came down, the net effect is that cornice line came down about a foot or so and.

N

The third floor windows are shorter in height, so they're three lights high, instead of four lights.

N

High previously, they were the exact same size as the second floor windows. Often we will see and.

N

Probably most typically, we see smaller windows on the upper floors. However, um we're taking the cue.

N

From the building it's attached to at one congress, where both the floors have these same size, windows.

N

It's an unusual building and we're trying to carry that uh distinctive character through.

N

But um nonetheless, it it corresponds to the little opera house it's attached to which has different.

N

Windows on the top floor and it's not uncommon in the district to see different size windows.

N

On the second and third floors, the uh ground floor got a little bit shorter as well.

N

um So those are, those are essentially the changes on that building.

C

You want me to go back, yeah yeah. Let's start at the beginning, she jumped you took her there.

N

Well, I mean that's what you really want to know about right. Okay, so um that's the context same.

N

As before, the back of the building is in uh cd4 and the front is cd5 additions to the existing.

N

Buildings at 1 and 3 congress street, as previously previously discussed no changes to the demolition.

N

Of the back shed structures as previously discussed, it's all the same as before,.

N

This is the roof, so we have the hip hop answered. Wrapping around the attic level with a recessed.

N

Mechanical well in the middle towards towards congress street. The only change is, we are adding.

N

A dormer at three congress we did make some subtle tweaks to that for the comments at the last work.

N

Session we scooched it forward a little bit closer to the road about eight or nine inches closer. We.

N

Previously had the guard rail in front of it, going from complete side to side on the building, and we.

N

Narrowed it down to just in front of the dormer to give that just a little bit more balance.

N

With the dormer that exists on one congress, you'll see that in the elevation.

N

This is the first floor plan uh same as before we have the sidewalk that.

N

Wraps into an alcove along the storefront on high street, a major component of this development is to.

N

Improve the public pedestrian ways, particularly haman court, and to make that pedestrian friendly.

N

And enlivened and become a connection between essentially the mcintyre and the bridge street lot.

N

uh One level underground parking.

N

At what is now a surface parking lot, there were a lot of questions about building height.

N

So, to make sure we had calculated everything precisely we have shown you, the math and we've.

N

Taken the grade at five foot intervals around the building and averaged it as a whole, it is.

N

Is actually several different buildings in two different zones, but we're treating it all as one.

N

And this is part of the calculation.

N

uh For a hip and requirement for a hip to top man's third is that the sloped roofs are.

N

I believe is it 50 more than 50 percent of the roof area, and these are the areas and calculations.

N

The blue is the sloped roofs and the yellow are the recessed mechanical welds, which are lower.

N

And this is a section through the attic mansard showing the top and the bottom and where the.

N

Average is taken from and you can see on the right. We have the slate shingles as the field.

N

And these raised, what we call buttresses are clad and copper. They would be a natural copper left to.

N

Weather and patina, naturally, I do have samples of all this, uh which I'll show you um at the end.

N

And congress street that's the new dormer we talked about and previously uh the same.

N

Details restoring the granite storefront at the bottom corner of one congress to what was.

N

When it was originally a bank it had granite coining, we are proposing new canvas, awnings.

N

Along these storefronts and restoring the windows as they were in the early part of the 20th century,.

N

At the second floor and restoring the original trim per early photograph on one on three congress,.

N

High street, which we talked about just a moment ago,.

N

No other changes, but just to recap from last time the main entrance to the block.

N

Will be at this existing middle building, we're restoring or re rehabilitating the entrance level.

N

It has been, as you know, as part of rudy's, it was changed dramatically with.

N

Yellow clapboards and siding so we are introducing a storefront entrance. There.

N

With a canopy that ties in to the new canopies proposed on the new edition.

N

And on the bottom is the haven court elevation the at the very bottom in the center off of haven.

N

Court is the entrance into the underground parking level. There will be a car elevator in there.

N

Storefront windows along haven court: these are the folding windows that lift up in good weather.

N

And the upper upper second and third story: windows are french casements, as previously discussed.

N

And this is the back alley facing the newberry's building. It's basically um it's there to provide.

N

Egress from the exit stair behind the building, there will be underground trash storage uh with.

N

Trash chutes uh accessible from the alley, but the actual collection will be underground within.

N

The underground parking structure of this building, so what currently exists in haven court are above.

N

Ground, dumpsters and whatnot: that's all going to go away from sight. I will point out one: we.

N

The existing grade of this alley slopes actually down towards the market square and um we picked.

N

This up, when we were fine tuning, the grating, that that would create a drainage problem where water.

N

From haven court would drain into a dead end pit, so we have regraded just this back alley to have.

N

It drain slightly so that the water will naturally shed to the site's storm water management system.

N

On haven court, in raising grade, we fail to raise the doors that that exit door that comes out.

N

There so we will be making that adjustment to raise that door to match the grade. That's good.

N

Bird's eye axon view just to show the general layout.

N

And this is the view from popovers.

N

And from the church.

N

And just a little bit of a close-up as you're coming down high street.

N

And the view coming off of market street down lad.

N

We have the curved curved glass on the corner.

N

There is a transom trim band that runs at the tops of these arcaded openings.

N

Underneath the awning, which is a it's, a laminated glass, it's called dichroic glass. It has a.

N

Luminescent film laminated between the two layers of glass, which refracts the light subtly as.

N

You walk past it, and so it will change from an aqua to a blue a little bit as you walk past. It.

N

We're picking up on the themes of how the character of the street right now very much is a.

N

Play on light through the time of day, and also the existing building on one congress has terra cotta.

N

Motifs that allude to different times of day with the changing flowers in the direction of the sun.

N

So our remnant of that in this design is to have light passing through the glass.

N

And in shadows that cast on the recesses of the windows and through the translucent awnings.

N

There are a number of elements in play that really play with light, and it keeps the street.

N

Animated the way it is today, even though we are taking away the fire escapes.

N

And and losing some of the the elements that are attached to one congress, we're maintaining that.

N

Effective light and really trying to create a wayfinding element with that glass corner to.

N

Call one's attention to turn down high street and find your way to the steeple in market square.

N

And this is the back corner against newbury's, where that alley comes out onto haven, court.

N

And details, as I mentioned previously, this is the new dormer at three congress. We have skinning up.

N

The railing in front of it to be just within the limit of the dormer and moved it forward about.

N

Eight or nine inches there's a section profile: the cornice underneath that glass guardrail.

N

Which is a half a guardrail, because the deck is below the cornice? That's an existing cornice.

N

And some of the details of the storefront arcade down here and the windows.

N

Below materials, we are proposing a pella architectural series, a wood window with.

N

Aluminum cladding, the color is the. I believe it's like a portabello color.

N

Just it here simulated the vitalite, these are the folding lifting windows.

N

That we see here and the in the middle is the sky window. It's um it's called the sky.

N

Window, it's five deluxe. It is pre-mold. It's three windows on a little bit of an angle.

N

N

On the elevator overrun, which is now set way back from high street- and you really can't.

N

See it, except perhaps from the steep top of the steeple or maybe the top of the parking garage.

N

um That is a composite panel, uh we're proposing the lucamon, and that is in a medium bronze, color.

N

And to the right is the trichroic glass and on the bottom, is what we're proposing these.

N

The shades of blue and again it's just a narrow band. It's about a foot tall that is at the very.

N

Top opening of the storefront on high street.

N

And materials- I do have these with me as well- these are the granite, so this one in the middle.

N

Is the carolina pink? That is the primary field color of the edition the autumn pink is the trim.

N

That there are two places there's the window. Sill trim would be this color and also the top.

N

Cornice band of granite would be that color. The granite on the left is deer isle and that.

N

Would be used for the restoration granite on the corner of one congress to the right.

N

Is the terracotta panels which should be on the second and third floors of the edition.

N

And this is the slate. This is a natural slate for the roof. It's a vermont slate.

N

And it's a gray, green weathering, color, there's a very subtle.

N

Difference um it's a natural product, so there is a those two pieces. There show you, the color range.

N

They kind of look the same at first glance, but there's just a subtle difference.

N

um And then, lastly, on on the far left um on the interior of the drive through along high street.

N

There's a ceiling in there and that would be a wood, composite linear ceiling.

H

Are these uh thermal finishes on the granite samples, those.

H

Are thermal? Yes, is that your intended finish? Yes,.

N

So that the terra cotta color we propose is the sand sable color.

N

Which is in the smaller yeah, the binder, the large.

N

Terracotta piece going around is not the color, but it just shows you the actual full sized tile.

H

So you can feel cut these to length.

N

Yes, they they come in, I believe, up to eight feet long, but you can also specify the height.

N

They come in different heights as well. We're proposing a 12 inch height, plank.

N

With stagger joints, sir tracy, which which one of these it's.

N

It's the lightest, colored pinkish one. It's called sable sand upper left in this one yeah yep.

H

Thank you for bringing the samples it gives us something that looks like we're doing something.

A

I thought that was a good move. It's also a good idea to make sure we don't.

B

Your shoulder must be better something really pink. Congratulations.

C

That's it that's all we have. Is there any questions happy to answer them.

A

Would there be an opportunity to see some of these items in proximity the way they would be set up.

A

Like a field test, this is this is a lot of different materials in a lot of different places.

N

The two major materials you could just take the.

N

The the terra cotta sample of that sable sand color and put it next to the coral.

N

Carolina carolina pink granite, those two that is, you know, 95 of what you see there. Those two.

N

The um the terracotta is the second and third floor and the carolina. Coral is the bottom floor.

N

The slate on the roof, of course, is is up above I do want to point out. We did add snow guards.

N

When we lower the cornice, we changed it. The details slightly where the copper gutter is.

N

Now continuous and we have snow guards above that in between the buttresses good idea,.

D

um So could you just remind us where the other granite, I know you said the carolina.

D

Corals being used, the first floor is the other granite just on the base there, or so the gray.

N

Granite the one that's called deer isle, that's on facing congress street on the existing buildings.

N

The existing brick buildings and then the the darker pink the autumn, pink, that is the trim band.

N

That is on on top see this darker band that runs around the corner there. That's that right there.

B

Is there some kind of sealer you can put on the bottom of your granite that goes down to ground.

B

Is there something that you can put on that to protect it from the city's.

B

South uh salt, salt of the sidewalks- this has got nothing to do with you know any approved warning.

B

Or just a question: yeah do you know there are certainly sealers that are breathable.

N

That would last you. The concern is something that would trap, moisture and then spall the granite.

N

The granite is falling all over yeah because of the salt collapsing.

N

We can certainly investigate some options.

C

um Questions, martin, I don't have any questions. um You know I think you've dealt very well with.

I

The reduction in height- I I think what you're doing with the existing buildings are.

I

Very well restored and beautifully done.

I

I do I do miss those corner windows, though I I think they would have really added to the project.

I

I know nick liked them also so, uh but that's okay, maybe next project, um but no, I I just think.

I

This has gotten better and better as it's going forward and uh outstanding.

C

uh Do you have questions, no just comments.

F

Okay, go ahead. um I no. My comment is that I'm I'm very enthusiastic about this project. Obviously,.

F

The restoration work that you're going to be doing on the existing buildings is.

F

Going to be beautiful and very excited to see them brought back up, um I think the new dormer.

F

Window on what is it three congress is well proportioned, um well thought out everything.

F

And in terms of the new building, I think you've I mean again, I think that you've done a great job of.

F

Looking at what the historic building says and um and incorporating a lot of that language into your.

F

New design, which is all I could ever ask for in in new construction when you're putting it.

F

You know meshing it with a historic building, so I think you've done a great job with that.

F

um I'm a little disappointed in that. I I think some of the earlier designs were more interesting.

F

um And were more sculptural and had more to say, especially the corner piece, but.

F

You know it's been simplified and I think that it still works, and I I just think it's going to.

F

Be really successful. I think it's going to really improve this big empty lot and in a corner that.

F

Nobody likes to be in, and so all of the improvements that you're making to this.

F

Little corner are are much needed, and I think that, even though it's hard for some people to.

F

Imagine you know what this whole process is going to be like with the construction.

F

I really think it's going to be worth it and I'm very excited to see the end product so very good.

B

I'll say anyone else. Yes, um just thank you. Truman, um I'll, reiterate, christian rodriguez.

D

I think this is a very successful project. I think you guys have honored the history. I think you've.

D

Incorporated the photography studio with new building the windows, I think it really works well.

D

um You know the new glazing elements, we're not trying to you know, there's some new.

D

Modern stuff, but it also honors the history, and I think it's a great improvement for that area.

D

um Growing up in portsmouth that you know the walk from the fair landing to gillies we'd, always.

D

Just go right through there, it's not the most present walk. um So it's really nice to see that.

D

Area, get cleaned up and and actually be, I think it'll be like. I think tourists will love this. I.

D

Think locals will love this. I think this is. This is a great improvement. Thank you margo. Yes, I'm.

A

Not going to repeat what everybody else has said because they've already said it, however, um I would.

A

Echo what reagan said about the corner that used to be quite angular and and very very interesting.

A

um If you ever thought, you wanted to make that corner again a little more avant-garde, maybe not.

A

Quite so much I I would not be opposed to have you come back and show us some other options.

A

Because I think you probably have a little bit of room to jazz it up or make it a little different.

A

Well done tracy, karen okay! I want to disagree with everyone and say that I think this is the.

C

The best that I've seen on this project, I'd like it just the way it is very appreciative of the.

C

Window change, unlike some of my commissioners, I think it shows great vision and I I think it's.

C

A it's terrific. I love the way you want to do old buildings and good job, just completing the.

H

Spectrum here, if you don't mind for a moment, I think that that the three buildings that you're.

H

Giving breathing new life into is our extremely valuable thing that you're doing for the town.

H

I hope that part works out for you, as well as it draws out the rest of the stuff. The avant-garde.

H

Is hard for me to swallow? You've done a remarkable job of scaling. This thing back without.

H

Giving up- um and I appreciate all of that- I still feel awkward about the thing, but in a real world.

H

uh The three buildings that we're going to get out of this thing are worth.

H

A little bit of anxiety on my part for the thing in the back. Hopefully it works. Okay,.

B

Dan, you want to get a couple more comments in for the paper.

C

I'm excited about opening up that alleyway um to get the gillies you're climbing your.

C

Differences and so that that'll be a nice connection for the city. I, for one like.

C

What you did to the the windows? Because it reminds me more of a lighthouse and a.

C

Nautical theme, as opposed to the louvre and a pyramid glass. So I I favor that I am pay. Okay,.

B

So I'm going to ask for comments from the public now anyone would like to speak about this.

Q

Good evening elizabeth browder property owner 159 mcdonough street first I'd like to congratulate.

Q

Tracy for the aerobics that she had to do in order to get down those two feet. I checked the math by.

Q

Hand she did it correctly, thankfully she probably has cad, um but I did it the old-fashioned way. um I.

Q

Do like the fact that she moved the dormer forward before I've stated that I, like the dormer. I really.

Q

Thought it was an interesting piece. The fact that that other piece in front of it is there.

Q

And has always been there, and I never noticed it is because before you didn't really look at it.

Q

And with the dormer there, you actually are looking up at it. So I like the change that we made to the.

Q

Dormer, um I I'm curious to find out if the dichromatic things are lit or they're just done.

Q

By sunlight, so if they're done by sunlight, I'm all on board with it. If they're lit.

Q

I'm concerned about that view of the north church. That was pointed out from the very beginning.

Q

About being the only place that you can take a picture of that, if you have dichromatic light on.

Q

The right hand side when you're taking the picture, it's going to change that picture. So that's my.

Q

Issue with those I think, they're really cool. I love the idea that you're going to walk by them.

Q

They're going to change color, my concern is: what's going to happen at night. Are those going to be lit.

Q

Sorry tracy and I like the fact that she that the color was changed. What originally looked like.

Q

An orange and now it's a um a sand. Sable I've looked at the website quite a bit.

Q

I didn't get to see the samples, so my concern about the samples.

Q

Is whether or not what's going to be on the back is going to be shiny, so there's something that I.

Q

Do in all of our apartments, because it's easier maintenance- and that is I put high gloss finish.

Q

On the trim around all the windows and doors and every painter, who does that for me shutters.

Q

Because when you put a high gloss finish next to a wall, that's matte that shines and what I see.

Q

At least that's what I've looked up in on the website is that the paratech, I think it's called.

Q

Comes in a high gloss, finish and you're going to have that next to a matte finish of a brick.

Q

Building, so your eye is going to automatically go to that shine and when you look at their website.

Q

The buildings actually do reflect, which may be the purpose of doing that, but for.

Q

Me in a historic district, I have concerns about that finish. I like the color I like.

Q

The lines but my concern is about what is the finish of that perique tech stuff going to be.

Q

The color is great all of that stuff. I want to know what the finish is. The pergola or whatever.

Q

You call that I'm not good at architecture. That's running along the edge of the building.

Q

I'm wondering if that could be a little bit closer in, so that when you stand there from that position,.

Q

To take a picture of it, you don't get the pergola as well or if it could go away. There are some.

Q

Other ideas I've seen tracy put forward on other buildings that are decorative along the edge, but.

Q

Not sticking out like that, and that's my concern with that, so I'm all about preserving that view.

Q

Which is one of those things that the historic district commission does.

Q

That view was touted from the very beginning as being very important and I'd like to see.

Q

That preserved so again, my my only concern is about whether those things are lit up at night.

Q

What is the finish on that building, and is there a way to make those pergola things get a little less.

Q

So they're not blocking the view. Thank you other than that. I do want to say. I do love it. Thank you.

B

Is there anyone else out there? Another question before we close out the public hearing.

F

um There's been um several questions about the colors and materials and finishes raised.

F

And I'm just wondering if we could um request a mock-up at some point in the construction just to.

F

Just so, we could see what they actually all look like together.

E

Presumably before they order it all right.

E

Otherwise, what's the purpose? Yes, what could you say about this we'd be happy to build a mock-up. We.

N

Can also put together a larger sample board with everything all next to each other as well. Okay,.

B

Great, what is your comments on the lighting that was brought up, whether is that they are.

N

Not backlit directly, however, there is light that comes from underneath the the drive-through and.

N

The windows beyond there will be down lights on the ceiling behind it. So so there there's no light.

N

Shining right through it also the finish on the terracotta tile is matte. They do offer a glaze.

N

Finish, which is on their website, but the samples we handed around are the matte finish and that's.

N

What we intend? Okay! Thank you, um so I think I'll close this public hearing and look for a motion.

I

I'd like to make a motion to approve as presented, I don't think we had any.

I

Stipulations for the sample board sample board. Oh the sample board, being a stipulation. Thank you.

F

All second great, I believe this is uh conserves and enhances property values, and it is.

I

Right here, one compatibility of innovative technologies with surrounding properties.

B

Thank you all right, okay, so uh I guess I'll ask for a vote then, unless anybody else has.

B

Any other comments, but um all those in favor say hi those that are against.

B

There you go. Congratulations, don't forget your samples. Thank you. Yeah.

E

C

C

Should we take a break yeah they're asking if we take a break.

C

Okay, five minutes, so we're gonna take a little break right now, um if anybody's getting lined up.

B

We're gonna be back in five to ten minutes.

A

C

All righty we're going to get going again here, 200 feet, it's a 200-foot thing, so public hearings, new.

B

Business petition of courtyard condominium association owner for property located at.

B

50 daniel street, where permission is requested to allow renovations to an existing structure.

B

Replacement windows, as per plans on file in the planning department, said property is shown.

B

On assassin, map 106 as lot 17 and lies within character, district 4 in the historic district.

R

uh Jeff whitmore here representing courtyard condominiums.

R

We had come before you to do the front elevation uh renovation uh and restoration.

R

um Which you had approved uh had mentioned at that time, that I hadn't got consensus.

R

From the ownership on whether to replace windows since then, I have gotten a full.

R

Approval of of moving forward with new windows.

R

And with the board's recommendation, we are proposing that we use green mountain.

R

Milestone windows, which are meeting the historic spec that the board generally recommends.

R

I think the only open-ended item that I have right now, if you look at the building presently it has.

R

Vinyl replacement windows, which are you know, far from appropriate um they're, stuck in the frames.

R

Of the old windows that were there they're in horrible condition themselves, so that's what.

R

Inspired the owners to replace them completely, so our plan is to do new work here, so we're.

R

Not going to keep the frames, it's not going to be a replacement sash, it's going to be a.

R

Full replacement, the question that comes up from the board to the board, though.

R

um If you look at the historic photos of the building, um it seems like it's inclined.

R

So if you look at the vehicles in front of the building, it should indicate.

R

It's not absolutely clear on all those photos. There is a photo. The.

R

Probably the most recent photo shows no windows at the third level.

R

It's quite an interesting looking building. It appears to be back in the 60s 70s.

C

But there is a clearer view, um even in that in.

R

That photo that's shown of the most recent photo. It does show a six over one.

A

Is that the preference of the residents, as well as the historic.

R

Excuse me: could you recognize that the preference of the residents as well? This is my question to.

R

You they, they don't have a preference. I don't believe um I think, if we're doing.

R

This we might as well step step it up and and try to get it as as good as we can. If you will.

F

um Well, my opinion is that it could go either way. um Obviously, with the age of the building.

F

The original configuration was probably most likely six over six um and that's.

F

A picture from the 80s, so it you know they may have been replaced with six over ones.

C

Who knows what time, yes, who knows what time that they put those in.

F

um I think I think, probably your six over six is more appropriate.

R

uh Again I'll, I I defer to you guys. It looks like a federal building. Yes is moses,.

C

Is that most most used to be in the front? Typically, a federal building six over six.

B

Yeah, let's just throw away that moe's picture place.

C

That's ahead of the history, that's awful! I don't like that. It's it's from! When whence we came.

H

If you want to know why you're taking the time to waste your evening sitting here in that seat,.

B

It's because of that yeah! Oh, I see yeah.

B

No, it's actually indian head savings bank, dave and paul's market pulses across the street. You have.

C

Pulses across the street paul's was on yeah across the street yeah, where the parking lot is. Yes,.

H

And paul donated a bunch of brick to my chimney.

B

Okay, okay, so where are we on this right? So if you intend to do a full window, replacement.

I

You're going to replace the trim and the siding, correct, okay and replacement in kind, correct, okay,.

C

Okay, so are we going to make a recommendation of six over six? Is that what we're recommending.

B

What does the board think yeah yeah they're, looking for us to tell them so.

C

What's the safest place to put their money yeah again, it seems to be the consensus.

C

It's going to be nice, yes, certainly an upgrade from the vinyl windows.

C

Okay, um so I I think um that we need to have some public comment on this.

B

Is there anybody out there that would like to speak on this project.

B

Nope and there's nobody online okay, well I'll close this public hearing somebody please.

F

I remember that we approve this application, as presented with the stipulation that six over.

F

Six windows should be used. Second, um this preserves the integrity of the district and.

F

um Is has compatibility of design with surrounding properties.

F

Actually, in relation to historic and architectural value of existing structure,.

E

Could be more than one right two and three then well. I think she got three.

B

um So all those in favor say aye all right against.

R

I have one more quote: request um a previous meeting. You had asked for uh additional detail on what we were.

R

Presenting on the bottom portion of the building, we're going to cover the brick with a panel detail.

R

We have since drawn a section on that I'd like to just if nothing else, hand it to the board tonight.

R

For their review, what what do you think nick well? Is it something you need approval for.

E

You you only well it didn't require. You just asked me to give you more information. I have.

R

It with me, so I I don't know just for you to review- I I think, a big. I think mr cracknell.

H

Can handle himself yeah all right, anything see you tomorrow, okay I'll, take it, though,.

E

While we're here, I'm just going to give you the large line because yep you start the next one.

B

All righty, so in the meantime, this is the petition of like lichtenstein and jacoby family revocable.

B

Trust lichtenstein s and jacoby k trustees owner for property located at 35 wybird street, wherein.

B

Permission is requested to allow renovations to an existing structure replacement windows as.

B

Per plans on file in the planning department said: property is shown on assessor map 134.

B

Did I butcher the name too badly? uh It's lichenstein and my name is jacoby, so hi.

S

My name is karen jacoby and I'm an owner of the property located at 35 wybert street, and I am here.

S

Tonight, to ask you to approve our application to replace our current replacement windows.

S

Which have removable divided lights and we want to replace them with the anderson, wood.

S

Right double hung windows with the true divided lights. Our goal is to support.

S

The historic district ordinances objective of preserving the integrity of the historic district.

S

This project will contribute to maintaining the historic character of our house by replacing old.

S

Replacement windows that are poor quality, with new replacement windows of a much better quality.

S

The new windows will restore the original arrangement of true divided lights on all windows.

S

In your packet, you can see pictures of our existing windows, as you can see, on pages 7.

S

8 and 10 in your packet, the removable dividers have fallen out of windows number four five and.

S

Seven, I have obtained replacement dividers from the company. However, we have been unsuccessful.

S

At getting the dividers to fit appropriately as they still fall out, and you can see that if I.

S

Numbered those correctly, um it is number nine here yeah, so it should be seven eight and ten.

S

Here's ten yeah and if you go to seven and eight it's most apparent, I think, there's eight yeah so.

S

There's no divide the lights on that bottom and then on seven. It's uh oop, sorry about seven! Oh.

S

Sorry, the windows are four five and seven yeah go for number five, there's no divided lights,.

S

There those have fallen out I've given up um and uh then on another one, we're missing one of the.

S

uh The lengths on that one, so if that's it should be four, so is that five I don't know.

D

Five yeah- that's number five, okay, so.

S

So, windows, four five and seven- I don't know if you can, you did it eight years ago, go to four.

E

S

All right, so all the divided lights on three of the windows are falling out. Try to put them back.

S

In they don't stay in, we also have another issue with the windows and that they don't stay open.

S

Without an object, propping them open and using an item to prop the window, open is detrimental.

S

We believe to not only the functionality of the window and its ability to ventilate the house.

S

Efficiently, but also to the house's historic character. In summary, we have reviewed different.

S

Grades of windows and have selected a window from a reputable manufacturer that has a true.

S

Divided light with the goal of maintaining the historical integrity of our home, um so that's all.

S

I have to say: do you have any questions where's, the window anderson, it's the anderson, woodright.

S

Series- and it does have the true divided light- is the option that we would choose. Let's see.

E

Meaning not as simple, not an sdl, no true, true yeah, yeah, true, divided light single pane.

S

The true divided light, I believe it's I've got it right here. Is that what they say? I think it's.

S

It's the full. The full divided light is that different than a true divided, so a true, divided.

E

Light is one pane of glass versus two panes with the gas between the full divided light.

S

Yeah, these are sdl's. That's that's pretty typical yeah, okay. So it's not true.

F

So this has to be true. These are insert windows that go in the original frame, uh correct because.

S

The windows that are there are replacement yeah, so we're simply replacing the replacement replacement.

S

Windows with better quality replacement windows. Well, this is a very thorough packet you've given.

F

Us so thank you for all of the information, and I am all for getting rid of the old windows that are.

F

Falling apart and don't work that are not that are just poor replacement windows, and this is.

F

One of the reasons why we like to encourage people to retain their historic windows, because.

F

Replacement windows fail much more frequently than a historic window will so, um but this is yes.

C

B

Okay, um I could open this up to the public.

B

Would anyone in the public like to speak about this window replacement.

E

No, no and nobody online. So I'm going to close the public hearing and look for a motion.

C

I move that we.

C

Approve this replacement of the replacement windows are these half screen did? Are they.

E

Going to have a half screen yeah. Well, they need to yeah. I think yeah stipulation is happening.

E

Just a half screen instead of a full screen, is normally what they require and I don't.

E

Just stipulate it half screen stipulate it yeah on the nose I'll. Second.

C

Okay- and I think it preserves the integrity of the district and it certainly.

B

Compatibility of design with the surrounding properties yeah, you can get by with just one.

C

No, you need to yeah. Okay, you need two one from each category. Oh, I see.

B

All righty, um all those in favor, aye, hi again there you go. Thank you. Thank you.

H

I'll do the first floor some other time. Okay, we'll do the first floor some other time, I'm kissing.

A

Myself on this one, this is the one that you're well seriously, because reagan is recusing herself.

B

From I don't see any petition of 82 86 congress street llc owner for property located at 8286.

B

Congress street, wherein permission is requested to allow renovations to an existing structure.

B

Add window awnings and update store front facade as per plans on file in the planning department.

B

Said property is shown on assessor map. 117 is lot, 45 lies within character, district 5.

B

Downtown overlay and historic district welcome hello, everybody. My name is richard desjardin.

T

I am here with mark ginony. We are both from mchenry architecture and marie bodie from.

T

Mcnabb properties, the property owner, so uh this packet is for renovating, essentially the bull.

T

Moose storefront, the scope of this work is to add two canvas awnings over the two entrances.

T

As well as extend the storefront up along chestnut street, so we'll just quickly go through the packet.

T

Ga1 is existing images of the overall building, as well as some more and more detailed shots of just.

T

The existing storefront, as is next sheet, is an existing elevation of the conger street elevation.

T

A3 is the chestnut street elevation and just to note, our goal is to remove and salvage the glass.

T

Blocks in the upper we're going to just call the transom area of the storefront, and the purpose is.

T

To replace and to repair the damaged glass blocks on the congress street elevation moving along.

T

A4 is just the floor plan of the actual unit. The new tenant is going to be summer sessions.

T

Surf shop and they're going to be adding a cafe component along the side where chestnut street.

T

And congress street meet so the intention of this storefront is to really help activate chestnut.

T

Street a little bit more as well as provide more views and light to and from the cafe space itself.

T

You can see the storefront edition down in the bottom left right where nick's cursor is.

T

And the dashed lines represent the locations of the canvas awnings above and we don't need.

T

To go to that sheet right now, but sheet a8 is what our envisioned goal for the awnings is.

T

So sheet a5 is the proposed congas street elevation, two awnings directly over the two.

T

Entrances the one to the left is the retail and the one to the right is the cafe entrance our goal.

T

Is to paint the storefront, we aren't 100 sure on any sort of colors for that. Yet that is still left.

T

Open tbd, um but our intent well just for graphic purposes. We just used the color palette from the.

T

Inspiration images and just for clarification's sake, both awnings will be retractable.

T

Awnings and if we move along to sheet a6, this is the chestnut street elevation, where the brunt of.

T

The work is happening. Our goal is to align this storefront with the windows above this building.

T

Has a lot of window alignments and existing the existing storefront is really the only one that.

T

Doesn't necessarily align with any windows above so our goal is to actually align that with the far.

T

Right of those three windows on the second floor, as you can see on directly above the.

T

Blue rectangle, um and if we go to the next sheet, this will be all enlarged. Our goal with this.

T

Storefront is to pretty much match all existing trim profiles. We do need to shrink the wood.

T

Paneling below the glass just simply because of the grade, but we're going to take that 8 inch.

T

Dimension from the granite of the storefront bay directly to the left and match that to the right.

T

As well as match the two widths of these storefronts and what we're doing with that transom.

T

Where we remove, where we are removing the glass blocks, is we're going to be putting frosted glass.

T

We thought as frosted glass and we thought as an office that this was a good.

T

Way to approach this because it starts to give a little bit of transparency, that's a little bit.

T

Similar to the glass box, because there really is no way that we're going to be able to match.

T

Exactly what those glass blocks are and if we just try to we'll just be so close that it just looks.

T

Too, off so with this idea of removing the glass box, we're going to use them.

T

To repair the conga street elevation, which is more prominent elevation in our opinion,.

T

And if we s switch over to a8, you will see the actual awning inspirations.

T

It's just really the awnings, where it's just a simple sheet of fabric, with two very slender.

T

Posts to retract on and off the building and I'll open it up to any questions from you all.

D

Okay, the the awnings going over the entrance ways or over the windows entrance ways: okay,.

T

Because the entranceways are recessed correct. Yes, it's to give a little bit more of a.

T

Direction towards an entrance from down the street yep.

H

So, on either side of of the existing windows on the first floor, there's a painted brick.

H

Yes, columns, um which is different than the header and stretcher brick, that's in the unpainted.

H

Portion of the building most prominently, let's move to the chestnut street side. You are showing.

H

A control joint to the what looks to be the right hand, side of your new inserted storefront window.

H

And I'm wondering what's left you you, it's in your drawing you've got it delineated as being.

H

Painted I assume a color close important. um Are you going to relay that section of brick into.

H

Running bond, like the all of the other columns uh or you're just going to saw that off the.

H

The header and stretcher portion of the wall, that's a good question. I have any thoughts on that.

T

Because our goal is to probably try to keep as much of that rick as is um and yeah right now,.

J

We're not intending on re-pointing or we might re-point, if there's a need for it in certain.

J

Areas but we're not planning on uh rebuilding the existence, I'm closer to the mic. Yeah. I'm sorry.

J

Not planning on re replacing any of the brick in that area or providing a saw caught joint.

J

um Really, where, like richard, was saying we're aligning that pie laster uh with the windows.

J

Above in, as painted brick similar to, as you mentioned, is currently there.

J

um On that, on that side, control joint could easily be an improper term to be using right now.

H

Because it does seem like that's what it says. Yes, I understand. I understand that.

J

We're not adding a control, jack yeah it. uh It seems to me that it would be.

H

You know completing the storyline you're going to have to take that portion of the brick wall.

H

Down and put in a header and transfer loads back and forth and the rest of that there's.

H

Going to be a bunch of masonry, work done and you're going to have a hassle, a brick. Would you.

T

Suggest that then I I think it would be an appropriate way of closing this thing that way, all.

H

Of the window, openings would have a different kind of brick motif so to speak, a running bond motif.

H

uh As is over and over and again repeated seven other times, eight other times in the building that.

H

That's what I decided I just at when I read that and I saw the the control joint and I've looked at.

H

The brickwork on site- uh I said my god- these guys are clever and thorough and now you're you're kind.

H

Of letting me down well, I, like your suggestion and we'll probably move forward with that that'd.

T

Be terrific, thank you very much. That was a good one. It was great yeah. Any other comments.

B

It was a good catch, though david, yes, margot, um about the frosted glass.

A

So I I see where you're concerned about not being able to replicate something.

A

That's that old and and that's really difficult and if you do have some damaged.

A

uh Glass in the in the front, that is a great way to to salvage how that looks, but I'm kind.

A

Of questioning the idea of the frosted glass, because that reads to me very, very modern and.

A

And this this is a different type of modern. The the glass last block, brick was a certain time.

A

In our our architectural history, and so I'm wondering if you could or had considered.

A

Something else other than just modern, frosted glass, some kind of stained glass with a simple.

A

Pattern something that maybe replicated a little bit closer to the block but wasn't block.

T

We'd have considered some alternatives. We did not consider stained glass, we did come to the.

T

Conclusion of moving forward with the frosted glass. Simply because, if you looked at, if you were.

T

To look at it on like the corner, you would start to see similarities and at least like the color.

T

You want to put it that way. um I just wonder if there was a textured glass that might be available.

A

That would give you that same obscureness of the glass brick. We can listen to something like that.

T

I've seen some uh they're like basket weave and, and they give that sort of texture but um and then.

A

The awnings- I really I know, they're retractable, but I also know that very often once they're out.

A

They're out they don't retract very often and so you're hiding the the beautiful glass um because.

A

They start they start at the top right and they and they cross over the glass brick.

A

When they come out when they fold back, they they do. They disappear into the.

A

Header, the switch would be molding, which would be above the glass yeah. So when they.

A

Retract you can see the whole glass band, but when they're down it's obscuring it. Yes, okay,.

D

Just a question when they're retracted, they would just be you see the.

D

White posts or whatever color they are, uh but you would still see the post going up.

D

And that would be interrupting the glass as well right, so we didn't have that very slender metal.

T

Yeah yeah, but the support posts would be yeah, you'd, be looking at the underside of.

D

It so the the purpose of the retractable awnings is to say to the pedestrian.

A

Here's the entrance. Yes, that is it's not for shade or something like that: nope, it's more or less as.

T

A marketing technique, as you would to attract people directly and direct people to an entrance.

A

I'm just I'm trying to think of something else that might serve the same purpose, that wouldn't.

A

Obscure projecting side, yeah, protecting or or a little awning that's a permanent right above.

A

The door- I don't know I just just to add to what richard was saying earlier, I mean um we understand.

J

What you're saying, but you know, I guess, other examples on market street you know for um as.

J

One location, you know several of the storefronts all have uh uh retractable awnings doesn't mean I.

A

Like them, I I understand, but I guess to the point of they don't necessarily stay out there. You know.

J

They're retracted, on a daily basis really- and I think most of those awnings just come out with.

D

No support, though right, so they don't so when they're out retracted, you don't see them they're.

D

Just a line this one- wouldn't this one would be a an upside down. U right, so you would have the arm.

J

The arms that would go up there attached to the wall yeah. This would be a little different.

J

Like richard was saying, you know, the the rest most of the mechanism or most of the awning is.

J

Retracted into the the banding, so it would be above the glass and you wouldn't necessarily.

J

Blocking light and stuff, except for the two arms which are fairly slender yeah so are, are.

E

You choosing the the supported awning, because these actually won't be retracted. They're signs.

E

Right, no, they are retractable, no they're retractable. But if, if the primary objective.

E

Is to advertise the entrance to the user they're likely to be down, as margo said, most of the time.

E

Because their primary function isn't to provide shelter is to provide a yeah, but most awnings are.

T

Also, only open and well as mark was mentioning. The ones on along market street are really only open.

T

Or extended when businesses are operating agree, but if the humor me, if the awnings are not.

E

Supported with brackets there's a bigger risk of weather problems with the awnings.

E

Being out there unsupported, when nobody's maybe present at the at the store, so they get rolled up.

E

At night, because they're they're not as stable as what you're proposing you could leave that.

J

Business isn't also open at night, so there's no need to keep them out agreed, but there's it's also.

T

It's also a big sale anyways. So if there's any win, they would probably be retracting them. Anyways.

D

I'm pretty familiar with awnings, I'm just on the fair landing we have an awning over the bar and we have a correctional, huge awning over our dining room.

D

um You know familiar with the wind issues with all that, but yeah to me this does say with those.

D

Bars that means we're planning on leaving them permanently down. It's going to be an advertisement.

D

If it wasn't going to be, then they would just have the awning that comes out with just the bar, and it.

D

Doesn't have any supports on the side because they would be temp. You know, like you, said, on.

D

On market street, um you know that's why those are all like that. I just feel like those are a.

D

Lot less intrusive to the sight line. um You know what I mean like we're: putting a big obstruction.

D

Whether they're out or they're, retracted, they're, almost more of a uh eyesore when they're retracted.

D

With those bars going up, you know what I mean, I would think you know, I think if it you know.

J

Would help you, the applicant, would probably be more than happy to remove. You know, go to a style.

J

That doesn't have the virus yeah, you know really part of that style became from. You know their.

J

Inspirational images that we showed you earlier yeah, so yeah yeah. Just with that experience.

D

Reminding it it gives you the more permanent um you know with those bars. Obviously, that's the.

D

Intent is to be more sturdy, be there to you know, withstand the weather, no matter what whether it is.

B

There does not seem to be a large surface unless it's the awning itself to have advertising put on.

B

There or the name of the restaurant or whatever, there's not a large class that hangs down.

O

Projecting signs are great guys, especially in portsmouth.

C

May I speak: oh yeah, I'm sorry um I I like what you're doing I I like the awnings. I think.

I

More buildings in our town should have awnings, and you know they they give it a pedestrian.

I

Quality and help uh you know, project forward into the street, give it more of a of death depth.

I

That that this doesn't have without them, um so I have no problem with that. I think they're great.

I

And you can make them fixed as far as I'm concerned, because they're really only temporary.

I

When you think about it, um I have no, I I think everything you're presenting is fine, even even.

I

The frosted glass is fine. I think you want something more abstract. Like you said, you know.

I

So you could get more artistic with it, but what you're proposing to me is something I can support.

B

Dan, do you have something.

B

While I'm looking this direction, um no, I'm happy, mr chairman, if you don't mind, thank you very much.

H

um I uh couple of things uh I'm I'm a little bit bothered. I love the idea of of the awning.

H

To do a job of of showing people where the doorway is one of the things that I think people miss in.

H

Modern architecture is, is identifying a doorway and, and certainly the awnings would go a long way.

H

To doing that, the way that you're using them I'm a little bothered by the fact that they don't appear.

H

In a traditional fan, fashion of awnings over a window or in a window opening that these are just.

H

Pasted in what appears to be a long line of otherwise decorative pattern, block glass block.

H

It it seems like it seems, like it's just a thing being placed there. It's lining up with.

H

A door but it doesn't have any architectural home, at least that's in my humble opinion,.

H

So I'm not sure how that shakes out on one hand, I think that the awning does the job and, on the.

H

Other hand, I think that these are a little bit awkward. uh We cannot and I'm sure everyone knows.

H

This we can't legislate the use of an awning. It won't work whether you think you can or not.

H

So you've got to be happy with it in any condition that it's there or you're not doing your job.

H

Having said that, uh I sort of have the same kind of feeling about the frosted glass.

H

As some comments and wondered, if there wasn't another we'll say period, correct glass, that.

H

You could choose and and move us to. uh I think the flatbed pizza building has a turn of the.

H

Like an art, deco, uh concrete block, concrete panel facade, it has some decorative vertical.

H

Striped glass, which I grant you is not block, but it is a period glass and it doesn't have that.

H

Some frosted glass has a kind of a very modern touch to it like a shower door or something.

H

With those this vertical scored stuff, which is not cheap, no one gives it away, and I know that.

H

But but it's relatively available- and I don't think you run into a problem with it- not matching.

H

Or something I think, there'd be some solace found in that, rather than the frosted glass.

H

Having said that, I wonder if it wouldn't be worthwhile to give the applicant an option to.

H

Come back with a after having done a little bit of research, but I'm just saying that, because I.

H

Know that we're sort of throwing that out and you hadn't been intending to do that- I got it.

B

We could or we could, pull the frosted glass from the application so that they could continue so.

B

That they could continue their plans or what have you and then come back with some other.

B

Type of glasses, better has prevailed. Thank you, mr chairman yeah. um Anybody else. Anyone in the public.

B

Okay, so I'm going to close this public hearing um concerning this stipulation.

B

uh I don't think it affects the project as a whole, except for they can't order their.

B

Frosted glass immediately, but um it certainly is one way out of this problem that has been.

B

Mentioned by a number of commissioners, so I I think it should be a stipulation.

B

Okay, anybody for a motion.

I

I'll make the motion to approve the application, with the stipulation that.

I

What is being proposed for frosted glass uh have to come back to us as an admin approval.

I

How does that sound, second I'll, second, that okay.

I

With our historic district.

I

And uh is consistent with the special and defining characters of the surrounding properties.

B

All right, so uh all those in favor say aye aye against I I know I'm against whatever.

B

So you have your approval without the frosted glass for the time being, I'm back. Thank you.

B

Located at 41 salter street wherein permission is requested.

B

To allow new construction to an existing structure.

B

As for plans on file in the planning department, said, property is shown on assessor map 102 slot 30.

B

Lies within the waterfront business and the historic districts welcome good evening, carla.

S

Goodnight cj architects, uh mike lewis, is here: um do you have any questions for the owner? This is an.

S

Application that you've seen before and approved the original approval was granted last year in may.

S

And the owners have decided to pursue a smaller scope, which I know will please some of you on the.

S

Board because we were sort of looking- and some of you are looking in that direction,.

S

And so we've included images from the prior approval. Just to refresh your memory.

S

And highlighted the changes for your review.

S

So if you move on to looking at 1.0 is the site and surroundings.

S

2.0 shows the street views that are impacted by the building, and the site has been highlighted on.

S

On salter street there on 2.0 and the same on 3.0 from across the water.

S

Looking at 4.0.

S

The image up on the upper left is the existing front view. uh This is.

S

The previously approved- and this is the view that we're currently seeking- which.

S

As you can see, is almost identical to the existing front view on 4.0 and moving 4.1.

S

On 4.1 existing right side, we've done this sort of set. We've done the same.

S

Lineup for you, the existing previous and proposed, so the existing building.

S

They've decided to keep everything, as is introduce only this second story here.

S

On the end, and basically just infill that space right there.

S

The actual window, counts and sizes, and so forth, are outlined on following pages and 4.2.

S

The existing shed dormer, the pro where we had been approved and uh basically the owners, have decided.

S

To extend the existing roof line, that's already there out over that space and just create the.

S

Their second floor space using that method and.

S

Basically, the window patterns are all as previously approved.

S

In that edition and on the main house they're just reverting back to existing so.

S

And then moving on to 5.0 front elevation has no changes.

S

Five one we've noted the few images that are changing there. Basically, the roof line you can.

S

Compare what we had all talked about the last time we were here with these window patterns, and these.

S

Are basically the proposed window patterns pretty identical? We did need to add an egress window.

S

In there for the new layout, but the roof is just coming down to match the existing and again.

S

All the windows are keyed and numbered corresponding to the previous approval.

S

And again, the largest change here is just in this gable end.

S

Reverting back to an extension of the existing line, but again keeping all the same window.

S

Patterns and previously approved, though expired window patterns that were on there before.

S

And 5.3, um I know you're going to be disappointed here, but we've taken out.

S

These skylights they're going away and we're going to this uh back to the shed roof. So.

S

And then the materials are the same, we're still using arvind windows and pvc trim.

S

And uh these were also the doors the marvin doors were previously approved on 6.1 and 6.2.

S

We will be uh recreating uh the existing details on the house um and we talked in detail about that.

S

um At the previous approval last year, so we've stayed with the the uh approach that was decided.

S

At that meeting- um and uh I think that really the substantive change or the summer of the.

S

The major change is, is essentially just um the roof line remaining an extension.

S

Of what it is now, as opposed to becoming a pitched roof, so that's that's where we are.

B

Okay, it really looks like you're keeping your existing roof line. That seems to be the beginning.

B

So comments questions anybody on this side. Well, it seems like we already approved everything the.

C

Doors and windows: it really is just keeping with the shed roof as opposed to the gable roof. So.

S

Yes- and I would just add that we probably would have approached this as an administrative.

S

Approval had it not lapsed, there we go. There is two missing little teeny windows.

C

Skylights, the skylights right go away and the skyline yes.

D

Anybody else I just wanted to clarify carla um keeping the four windows those are staying, the.

D

Same on the the uh back part of the front. Yes, because it was going to change at three but.

D

Now it looks like those are just standing. It's um four. Now uh it's on 4.2 or right.

S

You're talking about these yeah, yes, those are staying. Those are what are that's. What's there now.

S

We had proposed this new arrangement, but we're not getting involved in that now.

I

I would just say that if this was a new addition from all the way to the original house out, I'd.

I

I'd say no but you're just picking up what's there and extending onto it so.

I

Seems like a simple request and I can support it.

B

Same same same, I can see why the previous group approved the.

C

Slanted roof, it just looks like it fits in better as opposed to the flat roof.

C

Which almost looks like someone ordered a attached shed twice as big as they wanted, but.

C

All right, if that's certainly what the owner wants to do,.

C

Continue with that flat roof, I suppose it's not a big change.

C

Okay, is there anybody in the public that has a comment concerning this edition? Nobody on there.

B

Nobody's out there, no neighbors behind it, whatever, okay, I'm going to close this public hearing.

B

For a motion findings, a move that we prove as presented I'll; second, that I believe it.

D

Conservation enhancement of property values and is consistent with special, defining.

D

Characters as surrounding properties, okay, um all those in favor, say hi.

B

Hi those are against. Thank you very much. Thank you yep. Thank you.

B

One more first time.

B

um Petition of stephanie and michael faboni owners for property located at nine sheaf street.

B

Wherein permission is requested to allow renovations to an existing structure replacement.

B

Windows as per plans on file in the planning department, said, property is shown under map.

B

107 is lot 13 and lies within character, district 4 and historic districts. Hello, introduce yourself.

R

So exciting to be last yeah thanks for hanging in there glory. That's fine, the uh I'm michael fabonio.

R

Owner of nine shea street, my wife and I are proposing to replace.

R

15 windows that are the incorrect period windows in in poor condition.

R

With um in the front of the building, marvin ultimate all wood windows with half screens.

R

In in the rear uh would request if we could do aluminum, clad, marvin, ultimate wood windows, if.

R

Possible, just due to the north facing side of the house with little sunlight and moisture concerns.

B

Well, this is pretty straightforward. Eh well he's been here before for a work session. That's right.

B

Yeah, did you have any luck with um the electricity, the electricity yeah yeah, so I I met with.

R

Eversource and they said, whenever we're ready, they'd, be happy to move the power for awesome. A.

R

Very small fee, which was which is congratulations good for you, yeah, so yeah I was, I wasn't sure, but.

R

Apparently, they're going to be going underground soon, which is.

R

Even better they said, penn hall will be underground and within three years.

R

So the uh which is interesting because my son said I don't understand how beautiful portsmouth has.

R

Power lines, so you know there are those that don't understand yes, so uh so yeah, so that's set up so.

R

They said we can come through the back and at some point, there'll be no wires to see as well. So.

R

That's great okay, um any questions, comments. Half screens you mentioned yep question- are the.

F

We often approve the marvin ultimates. Are they also um are those always aluminum, clad or fibrex.

G

Aluminum the front are all wood in inside and out: okay, okay and then the um the rears would be.

R

Aluminum clad wood on the interior, so they don't so just the rear windows or the aluminum clad.

C

Correct gotcha, okay, um I and for this application I don't have a problem with that. Anybody else.

B

Okay, uh anyone in the public like to speak on this qriket there's a big line here, hang on. I thought.

E

I heard a cricket or something no, no okay, but somebody I'm going to close this public hearing.

B

And somebody like to make a motion, please the move that we approve. This application is presented.

F

um This preserves the integrity of the district and.

F

um Is consistent with special and defining character surrounding properties.

C

All those in favor say aye hi.

B

Thank you approval. Thank you have a good night. Thank you fun. Thank you for being patient.

F

um Motion to adjourn second, all those in favor.