City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Municipal Alliance for Adaptive Management, 7 Nov 2022

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11.7.2022 Municipal Alliance for Adaptive Management

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Hit record all right thanks again for being flexible with us and apologies for the.

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Confusion last week, but here we are on monday november 7 for our executive committee meeting.

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um For the budget for uh our fiscal year, 23 ma'am um again it's the executive committee.

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But certainly encourage everyone to participate and uh the way that this will go uh we'll review.

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All of this and then hopefully the executive committee will be able to make a recommendation.

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By the end of this meeting, or have some to-do's to look into such that we'll have a follow-up meeting.

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With the entire committee and or the entire members or in december, for a vote ahead of.

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2023, so with that, um I will do uh we'll do I guess roll call to order and um impressions.

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So uh I'll start gretching young uh city of dover, and I am a voting member of the executive.

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Committee vote, suzanne suzanne, woodland, deputy city manager, city of portsmouth, voting number.

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To the ambrose deputy city manager, city of rochester and I'm a voting member.

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Jennifer perry public works director in exeter voting member thomas messier, representing.

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Newington and a voting member jamie mccarty city of portsmouth, I'm not a phone number.

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We've got a small enough group today that I'm just going to ask everyone to introduce themselves so.

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Call them also director of this category region, ensures partnership, not a voting number.

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It was a very bad person with conservation law foundation representing the stakeholder.

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Community and I'm not a voting member uh melkote with epa region, one in boston and I'm not out.

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I'm jane, who will director of union school water center.

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Great and then uh clifton do you want to quick, introduce yourself.

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Again, it's just such a small group of phone.

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uh Clifton bell with brown and caldwell working with name, not a not a voting member and steve.

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uh Good morning, steve couture in new hampshire department of environmental services coastal program, not a voting member thanks for joining us, steve and jim.

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Hi jim stack rose with roth young pignatelli, uh not a voting member.

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All right so then we will dive into our new contributions discussion before we do that.

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I did send something out last week last friday um and I think it's helpful to see so. There were two.

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um Actually, a lot of material that got sent down, but the first thing I wanted to go over was two of.

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The um the spreadsheets, uh the first one which has 2022 and then, if you got it online, it had colors.

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Associated with it, but I had our 2022 budget and then some potential 2023 ones. Of course those are.

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All subject to discussion, but I just put them in there, based on the tier one tier two and.

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Tier three of the um prep priority work you can see. Last year our total budget was um 422 805.

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Exeter was working separately last year, so they were not contributing, even though they were.

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Members and partners with all of us they were, they were still working separately now. Exeter will be.

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um Part of the uh I guess, the divi up of the funding, so you can see how these potential.

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New numbers they're all higher, but how it kind of relates to your community. So I just thought.

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That was helpful for everyone to see and then the other spreadsheet that I gave, which again it's.

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Just kind of an interesting thing would be those same three numbers, so the potential three numbers.

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For 2023 and what it would look like across all of the regulated communities, so you know I'll just.

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Use rochester as an example, but for the 428 100, which is just a number, it would go from a hundred.

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And four thousand of a rochester contribution down to a around eighty thousand, so just kind of.

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Giving a sense of what that would look like if we, if we did have the full group participating.

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And I know that groups of communities like summer sports are participating separately.

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But I just thought: I'd share those things other pieces that were um that you should have had.

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A chance to see we have the prep monitoring work, the brian caldwell professional services.

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um And he tap uh uh continued work. Actually, I think for discussion. I would like to start with.

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Ptab jamie, can we put you on the spot? Do you think, do you.

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Mind all right, then, we'll start with the pizza one.

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Okay, so last year we funded fifty thousand dollars and it looks like you're looking.

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For again with the fifty thousand dollars yeah, but the purpose will be about the same.

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um We'll be getting communities on board, most community have filled out um information on.

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P-Tap, those that have uh last meeting, we showed the annual reports that we can develop tracking.

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um Next gene reduction from structural and non-structural dnp so we'll continue to do that.

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And continue to work with communities that haven't quite onboarded yet to get them up to speed.

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um So we have worked with milton and rollinsburg to get.

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Kind of the information that's in the dover, exeter and portsmouth.

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Estate plan review process we get that language into their guidance so as part.

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Of the development process, applicants will start putting things into detail and then we, you know.

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We're meeting with individuals um we met with paul um a couple of weeks ago just to go over.

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You know general responsibilities for the town administrator and we assigned him as the town.

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Administrator so he's taking over lots of things for rollinsford and we'll continue to work with.

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Newington and others that want to come on board. Did you have luck outside of the main communities.

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um Not yet I mean we're focusing on the man communities, but we we hope that.

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um You know, when is: is there uh kind of that letter that you're working on has that come out.

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Yet it hasn't gone out, yet I'm thinking it'll go out once this is so that's one of the areas.

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Obviously, we want every community to participate in this. um The benefits, hopefully, will extend to.

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Every community and um uh the other component, in addition to just continuing to work on.

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um The the database we did develop a batch import feature that rochester has used and we imported.

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Thinkers upwards of 70 different cameras, so um the next next phase is to work with rochester and just.

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Once they get everything kind of prioritized in the database uh to work on that annual work and.

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Show them what that means. The second part of this thing, in addition to updating and continuing with.

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Database functionality is, we want to work with a subcommittee from the man group to develop.

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A template for a annual report, so I know the annual reporting isn't required, but I know that.

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um You know that the information embodied in ptac is very beneficial to demonstrate.

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um All the great work that you're doing so.

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um I think now epa did discuss possible, possibly an annual report template. We know that from the.

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Epa comments: ptap really accommodates a lot of what they needed- okay, and it would be great to I.

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Think we could easily in a subcommittee fashion, much like we do in the coalition. You know it's.

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Almost believe him develop a template uh that we could create for all communities to use.

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From so that's in there and then I don't know.

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Oh, the last component is one thing that p-type doesn't do well, is track um long-term land use.

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Changes and that's mainly because um well it's it's sort of hard to do at a regional level too.

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You think of what you're doing those conditions are for permitting, and you know it's everybody's.

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Is different, it's anywhere from five thousand square feet of disturbance, all the way up to.

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An acre and so that we we can only track what we have data more so speaking to the long-term land.

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Use change and the land use change patterns. You know, how are we dealing? How are we doing.

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um From year to year, with respect to impervious cover- and you know, other land uses that obviously.

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Cause and contribute to pollution in the great bay we'd like to do this regionally through gis.

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Efforts, so we have been working epa through the ord process, is developing hydrologic response.

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Unit mapping for the entire bay and we've been in discussions with them to do that and we're we're.

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Experimenting with different land use data sets that are widely available, and uh so the plan is.

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To do that and update it for 2016. all the way up to the latest set that we have, which is 2020.

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Once we get that down, not only will we be able to update that as new land use, data sets become.

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Available and you impervious cover um which we do have at a one meter resolution, so I mean almost.

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The entire drainage area of things to prep um we can start to develop uh land use change, statistics.

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Based on um community and and that will be to me, I think, that'll be the most accurate.

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Depiction of the land use change trends. uh We do. We can track that in p-tap. But it's um it's a lot.

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More effective and more accurate that a regional tis level, so we hope to do that kind of in the.

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Background and hopefully that will appeal to a lot of epa's concerns just about you know what are the.

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Land use change, trends and there's no mystery. We think we know what they are. You know we're.

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Not seeing increases in force so our increases in open space. You know so it's one of those things.

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That we hope to work with communities to focus on uh very directly on the things that you're.

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Doing and getting the appropriate credits for the structural and non-structural best.

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Management practices that you're implementing and then work in the gis community with some of.

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These higher end kind of modeling efforts to get a sense of you know where the trend is going so.

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um I think that's that's about it. uh It continues to be fun and exciting, and it's great uh we.

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Have a lot of things in the database things all the communities that are putting things.

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Great opening up to questions for jamie.

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Well I'll ask a question that I you know I just kind of want to get it out there, because.

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We talked about in years past. Eventually, a hope would be that this would perhaps have.

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A charge per input or something like that, and I I don't I don't think we're there yet either.

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um So I feel really comfortable about that, but I don't know if you want to talk about that. Just to.

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Make sure that we address it yeah we we do have uh early on and I would say we probably haven't.

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Address this for at least the last three years, but there was a subcommittee within the ptap.

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Group around the sustainability right and we so we have the beginnings of that work and uh we didn't.

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Get too much past, you know um envisioning some different models. One of them would be pay per per.

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Use so it would be a charge, possibly um during the permitting process. um It would be probably.

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An annual recovery team per community- that's using it, but it's something that we really need.

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To reinvigorate, I think, um because, right now the database is housed at unh and we pay unh research.

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Computing annually to do the upkeep, but it doesn't have to be housed there and and more communities.

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Could potentially use this, so um it's something that I'd like to get started again, but I think.

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I've been focusing on the opportunity, fair, and I would say also I think once like if ms4 requires.

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That are reporting or- or this in the next five years has more strict requirements. You're gonna.

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People are going to have to figure out how they're going to do. It seems that the indications from.

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Epa is that tracking and accounting is going to be coming much much more required, not just for.

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The great beethoven nitrogen general permit, but I mean we saw what recently happened in.

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Urban massachusetts, with the three watersheds that uh experience the rda um you know it's.

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It's it's not. The tracking and accounting requirements aren't um getting less so foreign.

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Any other questions forgive me. Okay, would it be helpful to make a motion to include 50.

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000. 4 ptab for purposes of budgeting. Just so we can know that that is sorry, not yep. I think that.

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Okay, um we do not need to world class, we'll just do a discussion. We've got all those in favor a.

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Placeholder of 50 000 for pita all right, that's unanimous! Thank you all right! Next.

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Because do you actually um suzanne or jamie? Do you have any update on website costs.

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um Okay, [music] um last my recollection is: it was a little over a hundred dollars, a.

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Month before posting um from the original estimate, so I would I'd say if you put 5.

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000, that would certainly be more than enough to get us yeah. You know if we have additional costs.

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Standing up the website, so we have been meeting to um stand up uh independent man website and in fact.

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um I know that uh alan brady is trying to schedule a meeting on thursday, I think by zoom to go over.

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The wireframe so the initial kind of layout of the website, so it is moving forward. Yes, it is.

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um So I think 5000 would be more than enough to get us over the finish line and hopefully.

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Carrying the hosting fee yeah, I've done this. You want to do the same thing through five thousand.

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Dollars for website second, exactly suzanne any discussion, all right, all those in favor.

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Okay, so I'm gonna do brown and caldwell nix, just because uh prep is kind of the biggest.

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Piece so, let's dive into brown and paul jones contract um clifton, I'm hoping um this one.

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I think, with good reason, we'll talk to clifton, but you'll see this. Has this one is.

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An up from last year we had a fifty thousand dollar in the budget for brownie caldwell.

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um And I think we're leaning, leaning on them a lot they're doing providing great service to all.

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Of us uh it has gone up a little bit so hoping you clicked, and you can talk a little bit about that.

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I can, and uh you know just start out saying, really appreciate working with man. This is.

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A fun project, a very interesting science I really enjoy working on this project and.

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Appreciate the chance to continue this, if you all uh decide uh to approve our budget for next year,.

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But if you've seen the scope of services, it is increased from uh last year. There are three major.

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Tasks, one is the the smaller task, the obligatory project, management and administration task.

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But the more the media task or task to the meeting participation.

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And uh that that's a lot of what we did this year, uh you know participating in a.

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Number of different groups on attack the illgrass resilience, welcome uh gilgrass resilience, project.

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um A lot of time with um with carla- and I I should have said that up front as well too.

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I think I really appreciate uh cola and I think we've had a good relation good relationship.

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With color on this and and appreciate the way that he helps us uh help man so um so a lot of that is.

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Going to be similar, but we think that the the the the level of activity is going to be certainly.

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um As much as it was this year or in terms of the number of types of meetings, you know some of those.

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Are these official standing groups and and others or smaller meetings that we have every once in a.

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While um uh on a particular particular issues and then task 3 is a very generally worded as needed,.

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Technical support task is somewhat generally awarded to include a lot of different things on.

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Purpose because we don't always know exactly what we'll be doing the next year. But things like.

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You know literature reviews, independent analyzes of the data. uh That's coming out of the monitoring.

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That we're doing uh you know reviewing documents and and developing recommendations um and and just.

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Participating in the whole process, so you know in terms of increase the the increase uh you know.

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Part of that is, uh you know better understanding than this year about the overall level of effort.

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uh You know anticipating a lot of activity uh next year, uh but we also in our overall timeline, as we.

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uh From doing a lot of the monitoring to to begin to interpret that data.

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um uh For you know, ultimately, you know regulatory purposes and non-regulatory purposes, but drawing.

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The major scientific conclusions out of those data that really matter uh we feel, like you, know next.

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Year is when you know, there's going to be more of that uh it will. It will not end next year, but but.

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It will um begin next year. um uh You know some of that intensive interpretation, so we do anticipate.

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And want to be prepared, for you, know higher level uh of review, and um you know independent.

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Data analyzes to to to support the conclusions and and support ma'am's participation in the.

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Overall process, so that that last year's budget was about uh 50k closing um up to 77 for next year,.

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So I will pause there and see if there are any any questions or comments on what we've.

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Been in front of me, thank you for going through that any questions for clifton.

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Yes, um clifton: this is jennifer, perry and exeter. Is there any kind of a report or just like a.

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A progress report that brown and caldwell provides at any point I realize time goes on where we are.

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It's already in burien and we're talking about next year. I just wonder what the reportables are.

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You know, would you like me to answer that or.

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Did somebody go ahead? I obviously I've seen some of some of the stuff that's prepared. Even today,.

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But go ahead and answer that question that'd be great yeah, so um you know one of the things.

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That we we've done um each year that we've worked on. This has been put together, materials.

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On the recommended monitoring monitoring recommendations for the forthcoming year.

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And um you know so so you've seen a version of that. It's a little more streamlined this year.

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In terms of tables number, one number two number three priority recommendations. You know other than.

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That it, it tends to be more on on a um kind of a as needed basis for particular activities. So one.

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Of the things that we work together with cola and prep on this year was a you know: a template uh for.

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You know describing proposed monitoring projects so that we're this when we're when we're at this.

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Stage of decision making, you know we have a you know a pretty good understanding. It's not a full.

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Work plan, but um a uh you know a good idea of what what the work would be, what the what the.

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Timeline would be um what the liberal would be and, and bill has been, you know, kind of put the time in.

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To provide those templates um so that we have them today uh and then it's been other deliverables.

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Or, or you know, related interviewing individual reports would be the comments on those reports.

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uh What we do, what we have not typically produced is a year-end report saying this is everything.

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We did this year and kind of overall status of how we see things stand with the project.

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You know that that's a possibility. I think, if folks were interested in that kind of thing,.

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So yeah the some of the biggest pieces of work they've done, is comments on reports.

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Which I mean I I wouldn't want to post them really to like a website. I mean you can but.

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um But so I guess we could work on distributing stuff like that, a little bit.

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Better yeah well for this year, for example, a lot of a lot of the work was was on. You know.

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Reviewing sections of the state of the estuaries report and- and you know I think um there were.

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Probably reasons for keeping that a lot of those individual comments within the the sausage making.

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Process of that that report- uh um and um you know having the more widely distributed uh you know.

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Written document, be the you know the revised report, but how others feel about that.

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Similarly, when you're uh doing uh payment requests from rochester you're putting down hours spent.

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And it's not a deliverable, it's sort of just an accounting.

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I think we could add it potentially try and add a urine summary.

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Please does that make sense.

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You know I'm not trying to I'm not asking for a major effort that again would contribute to the.

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Cost right, it's just making sure that we have something that we can point to that kind of.

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Defines what was accomplished in in the years, and it I mean it could be a simple two-pager or even.

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um One of the tables that was prepared, kind of checking off this was completed.

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I I just think it would be helpful for our yeah understanding of where efforts are being expended.

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uh We could certainly do that, and I will. um I can add, that to this scope of work that we.

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Will provide a concise summary like that? You know, I think we have done some of that now. I.

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Think about it, it's been more on emails, it's been emails, you know just kind of reporting, progress.

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um But we could make it a kind of a year-end, concise deliverable in the scope of work.

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Yeah, that sounds good. That's right! You've done that a lot along the way, um but I think it would.

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Be nice to have something clean that can be distributed, posted on ma'am. You know something.

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That we can take to to our fund our powers that be.

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We'll do that. I I agree with that, because we need to have somebody said: put a brown.

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Caldwell too right we control on this, but what is it they actually do right.

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Whether it's the emails or something yep, I think that's a good idea. Okay, no, I think that makes.

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Sense now that we've kind of gotten into a rhythm here and and there's been great work product, it's.

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Been helpful to have looked and kind of give the summary of the funding priorities and and.

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How they're looking at the requests that are coming from from prep, um so I find it very.

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Valuable but a concise summary you know just one or two pages with maybe an attachment or two. If.

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That's useful might be good because we could easily put that under the resources document.

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Just send a section of the website just to give some history, so thank you very much.

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All right any other questions on the cost I see on the last page. It says 77.

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000 gold to 192.. So what do we budget? 192.? No, it's 77, 000 and correct me if I'm wrong, but 77 000. This.

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Year and then this is, it would be a an addition to ongoing. They started their contract with.

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Just rochester and have a big span of it, so it would take them to 192 total.

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Through the whole, all the time, so that the emotion this year to uh add 77.

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000 to the next year's budget for brown and caldwell services, one second, all right.

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All right any discussion.

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Okay, all right all right, um all right, all those in favor. um I any opposed all right.

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Yeah to our biggest nutshell, crap um is going to be the p-tap. Excuse me crap work and I will leave.

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That up to college, do you want to walk through, or do you want to kind of girl with clifton.

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I would say um the start with clinton and then subscribe to you all to see.

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If you have questions okay, because otherwise I risk droning on and on about these things,.

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um So this speaking of deliverables, this was um so clifton has worked for months really with.

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um Color to review some of the proposed uh costs and projects and ideas for this year.

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um And has put together uh tier one tier two tier three deliverables, the bats, but this this.

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Spreadsheet is with this list, and so I'm going to turn it over to clifton. If you're there to.

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um Walk us through and and help us understand, what's what's on the plate,.

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Okay, well good, so so we did work with colin and prep pretty closely the the.

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The breaking this up into three tables that was our working with the the ma'am. You know.

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A small number of ma'am representatives to to prioritize so before we dive into the individual.

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Studies just the structure of what you see before you is three tables priority group. One variety.

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Group two and priority group three: this is not like good studies, middling studies and bad studies.

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um These are all good studies. If there was a bad study table that would be table four.

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But it would be empty because these all all have value in some way um and of course it's.

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Always a judgment call a little bit, you know as to how you prioritize them and and I'll try.

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To describe it, this way priority. One uh being you know some of the the core monitoring uh the.

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The studies that uh or or efforts that you know, regardless of where we go on the science.

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Stressors turned out to be really important. uh This is the type of information that you need.

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To to put together the the big picture, um you know the water quality monitoring, the light monitoring.

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And, and uh and also the storm, the storm add-on, we believe, is a filling a key data gap.

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um It's a little bit more difficult to choose between a priority group two and priority group.

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Three, but but one way would to put it would be um earning group. Two was kind of a mix of.

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Things that we felt like were some things that might be even you know, more of a very specific.

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Interest to ma'am, or maybe even a little more time, sensitive, where you'd want to start them earlier.

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And things that uh you know of enough interest to man that you know some some other projects.

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That which there might be you know, other funding sources, might then fall to three.

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um And- and you know, we did go back a little bit. uh uh Fourth with with color on this, so you know.

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He has other funding sources and um I I will defer to him. You know to the extent that you know we get.

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Into the individual projects- and um you know he might say well, you know we- we have already.

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Got another funding source for this other project, so you know we wouldn't need to fund that anyway.

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um In terms of the total funding recommendation, we're not going to presume uh how much funding.

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Would be available, we, it basically came down to saying priority. You know recommending funding.

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For priority uh one and two so those first two tables uh and that from the you know, assuming some.

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Modest level increase from the funding level from last year, and uh that and and if it got.

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To the point where you had additional funds, you can fund table three. um You know those are some.

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Good things as well, and we could talk about which of those might be the higher priority.

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um I'll pause there just to see if there's any question on kind of how this was structured.

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um Before we see how much you'd like to talk about the individual elements of these tables,.

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So this is suzanne, um it's my recollection that we kind of reviewed the substance of.

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Some of this, uh these studies and kind of pros and cons of the studies, maybe like two.

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Months ago, or so when we were in newington, so this is like a further evolution of.

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The initial discussion sort of in late summer yeah out of that discussion. You know the.

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The small group of representatives, you know basically trying to tee this up for ma'am.

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Gretchen katie, you know the representatives, it's a pretty small group, but uh you know made some.

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Decisions in that about you know some preliminary decisions about what to put in front of the group.

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um And- and this reflects that that that discussion and that's why the studies.

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That you see under tables, you know, that's why the studies are in the tables they're in foreign.

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Clifton, um first of all, I would like to echo what clifton said about the value of this working.

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Relationship working with brown and caldwell, and it's not just clifton and stacy and dan, has proven.

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Real value to prep, and although you can't see it, I think it's real value to the communities.

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As well, we have excellent conversations, they see things that I don't see, they bring up.

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Really good questions that are external experts from you know, judd kenworthy, brian house and.

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Simon courtney then puzzle over, and so it's been really really great and they're also extremely.

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Professional to work with I'd have to say so, thanks to clifton and your group for everything.

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um Since we last spoke clifton that there have been a couple of things that um have arisen, that.

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I want to uh share with the group first of all in table three tier three sea grass is now being paid.

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For through uh the bipartisan infrastructure law, funding that we're getting awesome.

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um The road just beneath that, however, is not being paid for uh by any other means. Currently.

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And I don't know how we would pay for it, and I believe that the communities would really.

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Benefit because what this allows tom gregory, who services all the songs that are out collecting.

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Data every 15 minutes and also doing grab samples where they it's mostly about the data sond program.

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You need some more songs and more probes. Sometimes you don't remove the whole song. You just swap out.

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A probe, oh, we need a new dissolved oxygen probe, so this equipment is really really valuable because.

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What we're doing now is we're expanding a number of stations right because we had no money in a.

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Couple years ago, before the money started to rain, we had to stop going to coastal marine lab at the.

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Mouth of the the harbor we stopped sampling there, we'd like to put that one back online.

D

We had to stop sampling and salmon falls. We had to stop sampling at the lower piscata block that we.

D

Did a long time ago again, because we just didn't have any money so now we're talking about bringing.

D

Those back on and everybody agrees, those are really important, but that so that 20k would be.

D

Really really valuable: okay to enable that program. The other thing that we're doing and a number of.

D

People have said this is important, is we generally stop sampling january and february and march and.

D

Given what we discussed about this weekend and how we're playing golf and, in some cases, laying.

D

Out in lawn chairs like that, can't continue right, it's a new world, and so we can't, we can't say: oh.

D

Everything's frozen january, we don't need sample anymore and that's what that's about as well. So.

D

It would be awesome if that was something that you would consider funding. Okay, is that okay, clifton.

F

Yes, yeah and and if we got into that table three discussion, I was definitely going to.

F

Highlight that, as you know, rising to the top, I was kind of assuming you're going.

F

To find another funding source for tier three, but uh you know the additional signs.

F

um You know, in fact I was it seems like because it's gonna, I don't know how much.

F

Of that actually could have been included in that the very top row of table. One.

F

um As just kind of part and parcel of the estuary, water quality and monitoring effort,.

F

uh But I don't know if you, you know that that already increased a little bit because.

F

Of additional sites- I don't know if you felt like you, had to break it out separately so to.

F

To avoid uh you know too much of an increase in one area, but um you know those two somewhat.

F

Go together, the other reason that they're separate, I think, is that the other is really.

D

A lot about uh work operations and maintenance and analysis. This is uh equipment purchase that.

D

Could continue to be used? The life of these songs is generally, I think, eight to ten years. So it's.

D

A little bit different in that way, it's more of a straight equipment, purchase, okay, foreign.

A

Last year we did fund the muscle watch program. I will say that um the muscle watch program is.

D

Being bumped up to forty thousand dollars and it's getting that money from the infrastructure funding.

A

So that's kind of off display, then steve jones, who does this work would say? Oh I could use that 10k.

D

But okay, but but it's not planned for, in other words, I would if there was a table for uh hey.

D

You're feeling, amazingly charitable muscle watch, would go better, okay good to know. Thank you. Yeah.

B

And the shoreline hardening survey, so um actually I think clifton was the one who reminded me that.

D

That is something that we had wanted to do. The last one was done around 2014 2015 by.

D

um uh Someone working with steve kutcher's shop at the department of environmental services and.

D

It's extremely important um monitoring shoreline hardening, has a huge impacts on the habitats and.

D

Clifton was the one who said hey, you know, I think, that's something the man would be interested in if.

D

You know if we want to put it in the table three, I clicked. I don't know if you want to add to that.

F

Yeah, this is one that's going to be kind of tempting. To always say you know. This is.

F

Important, but we don't need to do it this year um and and then, if enough years go by.

F

Then you just haven't done it and it is important. So so it you know it's it's uh it's in table three.

F

Mainly because it's something that you, you know, you don't necessarily have to do uh immediately.

F

um But you know I do think we want to fund this eventually, if not next year. Well, it.

B

Sounds like this is the year to do it, and you don't have to pick up the tier 3, sea grass and.

B

The muscle watch this would be the year to do that. I would agree and wasn't this a request.

A

Sorry, wasn't this a request last year that we yeah we talked about it last year too, yep.

B

And has there been a baseline done or would this be, the biggest baseline was in 2015.

D

Okay, uh 14 or 15. 16. 16 thanks steve yeah. Sir. Can I ask a question just real quick or a point.

G

um So I know there's going to be another lidar set down, that's going to be uh topo bathi uh high.

G

Resolution uh being done by noah- and I believe it's uh it's gonna- be done this year. So I guess a.

G

Question for clifton and for kala um would that be more valuable when you're trying to update.

G

um This data set because it's basically a gis exercise.

G

um And, depending on how comprehensive you're going to do it's, uh it's not that big of a lift but.

G

um Just wanted to know if that that data set would be helpful or not.

D

Are you talking about in general or for the shoreline studies, steve shoreline.

D

I actually don't know the answer to that. um Lidar is, um I don't know if it gets light or perhaps.

D

You could tell us steve or somebody else, who's listening in if lidar wouldn't enable you to see.

D

Oh that's rip rap or natural, uh because that's really what we're talking about here is, you know.

D

A lot of people are going to combat erosion in different ways, but what we're looking for is is.

D

The way they're doing it so the inventory helps you understand how much of this is like vertical.

D

Walls or you know it's riprap at an angle versus somebody, maybe like they've, done a wagon hill.

D

They actually put in salt marsh. So it's a natural methodology which everybody is saying each other.

D

These days so um afraid I can't answer that um steve, maybe maybe that's you have somebody in.

D

Your shop, who can get back to us on that yeah nice pushback, um but uh I'm not the one proposing the.

G

Work um so, um but as a follow-up, I think it's valuable. You can do it with a base light. All.

G

Right, it was just a question more for uh clifton if there's something that they wanted to consider.

G

Or not, uh it could be helpful in some instances where it'd be, if there's more expansive work that.

G

Has been done, which we really haven't permitted that much in that time frame. So I think the.

G

Current lidar we have would be sufficient and good enough to update the baseline uh and, to an extent.

G

Great bay was the least uh had the least amount of shoreline armoring uh great great bait proper. So.

G

um I can't imagine that there'll be too much that they'll need to update for great bay power.

F

Thanks for raising that, we will give it a little more thought as to how the how the two might might.

F

Work but yeah my initial impression is: they don't necessarily need to be joined at the hip, but yeah.

C

Yeah yeah, I would concur.

C

Okay, all right so can I ask if you I don't know if you have the spreadsheet, I was doing.

B

Some equipment, so if, if the male were to approve all all of the projects taking.

B

Out the tier three sea grass and the muscle watch: um do you have a breakdown of what that.

B

Is by the communities that are actually the man communities, because this has it.

B

I did share one with everyone: no not that one.

B

Of mine, oh this one yeah, and if you looked, if you there's one that.

A

um Folks that have colored and of course it doesn't have color limited.

A

But um so yeah I did put that in so that brings us to six. I'm sorry, 568 thousand.

A

um Four 50. and remember last year we were 422 805. this year. Exeter is participating with us, so.

A

um So it really changes that so we that goes I'll use rochester's numbers. um Last year there.

A

Were 120 contribution and with doing everything that we just talked about, it would be 138 801.

A

um Portsmouth is got keys and possibly so 169 one five, five plus three thirty.

A

Three thousand one thirteen, so I can do that for you got it. um Dover is 129.6.

A

94 it's up from 1 12. Last year, uh newington was just under 7.

A

000 last year, and it would be 8 000 this year, so that'll be up a thousand dollars. Rollinsford was.

A

3 600 last year would be you know, 40 100 this year and uh milton would go from uh 2400 to 2700.

A

In exeter would be a contribution of 82 000 uh 783.

B

Helpful. Thank you. Yeah no problem.

D

I'll make an additional comment sure I was just looking into steve's question and the main thing.

D

They used when they did this, and it was published in 2016, as steve said, was an aerial overflight for.

D

Which the primary purpose was mapping yield rest. Yes, we have gone to using other methods, but next.

D

Year we are going to do an aerial oversight, we're not using man money for that, because that's very.

D

Valuable when you're mapping salt marshes, so it works really well, if we want to do the shoreline.

D

Next year, because at the very least we have the exact same technology, they used last time and.

D

Perhaps the later the lidar can be used, okay, so so, if it maybe makes sense to pull that 15 000 out.

B

I have a follow-up question on that. Does that affect the cost of tier one.

F

Cigar ass monitoring, because you said you weren't using man money for that overflight.

D

So clifton um it doesn't affect it. I think what what will happen is that, um right this year,.

D

Because we didn't have an aerial overplay, there were some areas where we only use like satellite.

D

And then we had to send the field verification boat crew out to all these different places,.

D

um If we can get that flight done and it's an if.

D

That's why we moved to using drones more, is it's getting harder and harder to find that perfect.

D

Day, where you have low tide, no cloud cover and everything, then this is going to be basically more.

D

Data to make those maps even better, but I wouldn't say it's a switch one for the other foreign.

D

C1 monitoring to have that flight, it's possible that it could lead to less field.

D

Verification work, but the problem is, we don't know if it's even going to happen.

D

So I wouldn't want to tell you that it that you can budget less because then we might come to.

D

You and say: hey: we can't get the work done because we weren't able to make that flight.

D

There have been a couple of years where we never were able to actually fly with light yeah gotcha.

A

Well, speaking of katie, were there our color, you might know the answer were. Were there any.

A

Pockets from last year that went relatively undrawn from I mean. Is there any surplus.

D

The only one I can recall is there was five thousand dollars to work with.

D

Folks to come up with a scope that it ended up on your table, one, the 91.

D

000 for storm water, but um the people who worked on that scope didn't end up.

D

um Asking for that yeah, but um we're going to basically say to them: hey it's here! If you, if.

D

You want it, you know. Okay, I'm glad you asked that question because I was going to say that.

B

um I don't have it today because we're still getting voices coming in by the time of the.

B

Final vote: I should have a pretty good picture on what's available from months that were already.

B

Budgeted, including from 2021 perfect, so I think we could look at this today as kind of the back.

B

Zone not to exceed and that we might have some available funds that we could offset. Okay, perfect.

A

F

You know I have a few comments just on some of the individual things on the study that may be less.

F

Familiar to man because they may be new. Thank you, yeah, okay, so um so this and table one the storm.

F

Add-On to the eelgrass stressor project- this is a. This is something new, um and this is something.

F

That would, as a bill mcdowell project, but we feel like it's. It's filling an important data gap which.

F

We we've had, we have water quality monitoring, we have signs deployed in different locations.

F

um But what we you know, one one data gap is, you know under wet weather events.

F

um Thunderstorm events, how does some of that? Some of those factors, particularly that affect.

F

Light attenuation like turbidity but others as well: nitrogen doc as well.

F

You know how does that work its way through the system? How long does it does it hang around.

F

um And so this is deploying some sensors. You know in three locations at the you know, upper.

F

End of head of tide, um the condemna used in combination with you know, information.

F

Elsewhere in the estuary to description to answer some of those questions and understand how much.

F

You know residual turbidity from storms might be a component of our overall editing machines.

F

It's a two-year project. This is the funding for the for the first year of pets and.

F

In table two uh turbidity monitoring that that looks like it might overlap, but it's actually.

F

A very different kind of work: um this is continue, work by sushi uh matsuoka, also at unh, and um he's.

F

It's a combined use of looking at historical monitoring data, but also you know additional.

F

uh You know additional new monitoring leading towards a bio-optical model to help predict.

F

And even hindcast, what are the major factors affecting light attenuation? The system to the.

F

Water column, how much of it is our goal? How much of it is background water, quality from organic.

F

Carbon, how much of a suspended silence? We think that's going to be an important tool for diagnosis.

F

And the the item or just below that the macrodynamic synthesis and recommendations.

F

This is also a new item. This is some brown and caldwell recommended that.

F

um That prep has agreed could be valuable, and this is uh kind of like we did with are doing.

F

With turbidity sediment this year, it's it's more of a retrospective you're. Looking at that.

F

You know past data sort, existing data sources and um also the literature on macro algorithmics and.

F

One of the reasons that brown and caldwell had suggested this is that you know we certainly see.

F

A kind of a conceptual model uh in development, with ongoing studies and macroeology as part of.

F

That, as a potentially important stressor on designated uses, including eelgrass.

F

uh However, we felt like you know that there was some information on the macro algae. um You know.

F

This is the seaweed in terms of a potential competitor of her light, with with eelgrass.

F

um And and and if so you know it could be a you know, decisions on how much it is or is not a.

F

Stressor, and the second part of that is how much it could or could not be controlled with nutrients.

F

Or additional controls to be so important to the overall. You know what we're doing here, that we.

F

Really felt like you know, we shouldn't, you know we might have data gaps here to to fill in terms of.

F

You know the stuff can kind of come and go. um We don't want to just be relying on uh a little bit.

F

Of data and and say, anecdotal types of information, as you know, we saw this, we saw that um and I I.

F

Don't want to mischaracterize, that's all we have, but this was a you know something to take a hard.

F

Look at what do we have and, and hopefully you know- maybe some of those literature based questions as.

F

You know how is this behave elsewhere? What kind of nutrient conditions would would affect its.

F

Growth um and maybe lead towards some additional monitoring in in the future. Now the 25k might.

H

Be a little higher for that. We didn't necessarily think you know, because it is kind of a paper study.

F

um Maybe it could be lower than that, but we didn't want to shortchange it. We wanted to.

F

Make sure there was enough, and- and you know to put this out to an rfp that it would be enough.

F

For to make people's worth worth their while to respond to it, but but make it comprehensive.

F

um I'll I'll give carla a chance to say anything about that that he would.

F

Like to and then to see, if there's any any questions on that particular item.

D

I agree with clifton. I appreciate that um I've been very happy that we have really increased.

D

The amount of data we're collecting on seaweed, and so I was sort of blind to the fact that.

D

It's new good level that we have gotten ourselves to still has a lot of data gas right. I was focused.

D

On dang, we weren't collecting this three to four years ago, we weren't going out to 25 sites.

D

Throughout the estuary and sending divers down there, um it's in at eight sites we're doing it.

D

In april and october, as well as people- and so I felt really good about that- but it made me blind.

D

To the fact that hey, you know this stuff because it's not attached, that's the problem. The seating.

D

Is an attack right, but so you can go out there and go look. This is the western part of great.

D

Bay is covered with that could just because the wind blew it all over there, or it could be that.

D

It kind of resides there, so there's this time and space issue that I think that this work will help.

D

Us and lots of people are struggling with this, and nobody has. As far as I know, nobody has the.

D

Silver bullet for how to study because seaweeds grow so fast they die so fast and they're, not.

D

Attached that it's a huge challenge, so I really appreciate it right that clifton brought this.

D

um I kind of a comment on a question which is um when epa approved new hampshire's 303b.

D

Listing waters back in spring, there were a couple um segments in the piscataqua, and I.

D

Think the little bay for which uh des was unable to make determination based on his.

D

Basic institution that data on what's called category category 5 is what impaired water still.

D

And we we questioned that determination and we encouraged and spoke with the state about.

D

Getting macarons and data that would because that's sort of one of the variables that plays.

C

In but they weren't really able considerate, because we didn't have a methodology on which.

C

To sort of use it as part of their um line of various lines of evidence that they use.

D

And so I'm not sure if this is a response to that. If you're we're going to say me as you.

D

Should go out and do the salon? I don't know if that's what fed into this proposal or whether.

D

It's entirely independent, but I would just say that it's super important that I think the esc.

D

Would be very it's important that you know that that work is being done, so it can be considered.

D

Whether it's in the 2024, the 2026 listing cycle for 72 years, but I'm we're very glad to see that.

D

This is great, hey steve, I don't know if you're there honey, I can't see anybody um foreign.

A

That's okay, that's a good question. That's okay, steve might not know.

A

The answer off the top side, but it is as much as we can follow up with.

D

Yeah, what's the question? Oh, what the one is this a response to the des talk with you? No, I I and.

D

Clifton tell me if you uh agree, but I think that this came from brown and paul well, yeah, basically,.

D

The thing is that one of the people that works with clifton is stacy villanueva. She works in.

D

Tampa bay- and they have 30 years of experience of dealing with seaweed seaweed was so bad in.

D

The late 70s that people who lived near the estuary, the pain, would peel off their house.

D

Because it was basically piled up, seaweed was volatizing in the air and then in fact, people.

D

Couldn't breathe so this has the potential to be a huge issue. Tampa bay has been following this for.

D

30 years and so stacy was like, if this is going to become a huge issue, you're going to want a.

D

Little bit more data, I congratulate you for what you're doing, but you might want to even push it.

D

Further, so I think it's more of a fact that it just coincidentally aligns with what you wanted.

D

Now I think it came independently from brown and caldwell tonight I agree with that. Is that.

F

Your recollection, listen, yeah, yeah, and uh you know only. I would uh maybe put it um the only thing I.

F

Would add to that is that if it's a huge issue, yes, but also trying to determine, is this issue right.

A

um Sorry go ahead. No, I was just I'm feeling pretty comfortable here in terms of what I've heard and.

B

And I know we did cover some of this. I think in a prior meeting some of the background on sunday so.

B

Really good and it's kind of hold right down, so I I'm comfortable from portsmouth's perspective.

B

Making a motion to to approve things, but I didn't know if you wanted stakeholder comment. First.

B

Yes, I do the recommendations uh related to this before I make my lotion, so I'm just checking them.

B

Okay, well, you know, I, um I don't feel uh technically expert enough to comment on.

B

The details of what's being proposed, so I guess I would say, um but I yeah I I.

B

Appreciate the sleep of questions being addressed in.

B

um You know in this proposal, but um yeah I I would prefer on recommending specific performance.

B

So I would move to approve the recommended tier one tier two and then tier three projects that.

B

Include the estuary and water quality monitoring equipment and the shoreline hardening survey plus.

B

The five percent contingency um for a total- I think it's only a 568 450.

A

Good emotion, any discussion.

A

um All right, all those in favor aye great. Thank you. That's unanimous before the next meeting, we'll.

C

Have an updated, yeah I'll get an updated one of those um and uh I'll push steve couture a little.

A

Bit on that and um see what maybe studies they're doing for the three or three d response so see if.

A

There's any overlap, but I still this is good work. um So actually we did balance around a little bit.

A

On this, it's always hard to put together an agenda, so we had our stakeholder comment, but.

A

um I will still melissa. Do you have any other comments? Anything we'd like to see us funding or.

A

Yeah again, I um you know, I remaining really deeply impressed by man's willingness to.

B

Step up and ask human support so much of going into monitoring research.

B

Is pressing so great just a lot of appreciation for your work and support great. Thank you all.

A

Right then, moving on to item number four would be public comment and I'll open it up to the public.

A

Anyone wishing to add to that.

A

D

um Right now, you know we're working sort of um a parallel track on board of massachusetts.

D

In new hampshire, that's all set for so much system determines the reissions.

D

And um right now, we're scheduled to issue those drafts next spring, so terms.

D

And uh um stormwater staff wanted me to point out, and probably you all are aware.

D

Of the fact that the bill funds, um because of sr rep build ones, have storm water components.

A

um That are potentially confused of permanent compliance.

A

Folks are probably well aware of that.

A

A

All right, but moving on to annual uh contribution recommendation, I think.

H

We've covered that under item number two, um so I will open it up to other business.

A

So much going on, but I think it's fair to just you know unless anybody's pressing.

A

Move on I'm sorry I'll just add that um I was following the words with sweeper yeah and so.

E

uh Dover is actively sweeping and we're also working with human nation, update the.

E

um Sweeping credits, and so we, where, after this year, we will likely develop a calculator and.

E

Institute those as a optioning or non-structural sweeping corporations.

A

That's awesome that that credit for going green stuff is going to really help inform how we.

A

Where we put funding right, where you're going to get your your bank or your back so.

A

um I don't think we do. We have anything in the queue for another credit for going.

A

Green project. No, but it's something to consider it was part of the kind of.

E

Advanced funding of ptep, as you identify new infrastructural or non-structural approaches.

E

um You know we can convene an expert panel to look into it like fertilizer yeah.

E

Fertilizer coordinates or regulations. Can we link that with a low reduction.

D

Yeah on that uh jamie um is there any? um Is the timing of sweet soup not so much for the.

D

Frequency but the timing, the factor because I've always thought like in the springtime.

D

Like I don't know, this is where I live seems like they wait too long to do the sweeping so.

D

We've got all the sand and crap built up over the winter, and then he had spring showers and.

D

Then they come and sweep absence of doing it. Ideally, when you know you, hopefully you know.

E

Not anymore snow, but it's before you get a lot of rain. Is that something that's built in yeah.

E

The timing is probably the most critical um thing that we've learned about um as they'll send a lot.

E

Of bill sell big square piece at usgs in wisconsin, showed that 60 to 80 of the actual loan deposits.

E

In three months of the year and uh picking that up is really important um and because that the.

E

Dissolved fraction mobilizes very very quickly, but then you have this legacy of uh things in a closed.

E

Range network that fester is there over here, so you know they're in in our expert panel, we were.

E

um Talking about, like you, know, the possibility of giving too much credit, but I think.

E

I think there's some built-in resilience to you know the work that you do now is going to really.

E

Pay dividends as the closed drainage system gets cleaned up. Not only is it going to operate more.

E

Effectively, but you know you're slowly going to clean out. What's the party ingrained in.

E

The pipe that's kind of probably historically stuff in the outsole, so yeah timing is critical.

A

You see sally you've, got your hand up yeah. Just to add on to the question about.

H

um What kind of um panels might be underway and I'm sorry he's left steve kutcher, but I believe.

H

He will be working with prep um abigail lyon on an effort to develop a list of alternative.

H

Intent treatment, technologies for septic systems, similar to what massachusetts and florida and.

H

New york have so I believe this panel is going to do a literature search and then that these.

H

Different technologies and then develop a list of technologies that we would recommend. We I'm not.

H

Sure that we would be at this point but someone we would recommend for use for in-tank treatment.

H

Technology so kind of similar to some of the work that melissa is doing, but this would just.

H

Be to look at you know the the the universe or the realm of what's available out there and then look.

H

At load reduction estimates for those various treatment technologies and then develop a list.

H

For for recommended use here in new hampshire, other states have similar lists, so this would.

H

Be a sort of a panel for us to to kind of come up with a list for this state, so I just wanted.

H

To add that, because that work is going to go on, I believe in the coming year. So um steve knows more.

H

About it, but I think you'll start to see that ramp up soon too. So, thank you great sally. Do you know.

E

If they're going to have associated load reduction estimates with that, yes, so they'll look at just.

H

Various technologies, I think jamie I've shared the lists from like massachusetts in florida and.

H

New york with you, because those states have gone through this exercise before because they regulate.

H

um Nitrogen discharge from septic systems within certain distances of certain water bodies, and so.

H

Those states have kind of done this work of trying to figure out what systems are most effective and.

H

Those have removal rates that have been tested independently, so not just going on manufacturer's.

H

Recommendations but looking at independent testing- and I assume this literature review- would be.

H

Comprehensive, too, to look at other places in the country where this is happening, and it might even.

H

Include phosphorus- some not 100 sure about that, but I know there's definitely going to be a focus.

H

On alternative treatment for for nitrogen removal, and it will include load reductions.

H

Great, thank you. Can I just pile on one more thing, so the the septic area or the load reduction from.

E

um uh Wastewater is probably the weakest part of ptap, so it'll be good to have those numbers, and I.

E

Just want to throw it out there if anybody's doing the sewer, uh sewering project, meaning.

E

You'll you'll, be you know at some point: you'll be taking large areas off of septic and putting.

E

Them on to sewer, we were like we'd love to work with you yeah, because we need to really bone up.

E

On on that part, so that we can account for it, you wanted to go in the p10, yes, yeah yeah.

E

Right and we need, we need to develop some consensus on what.

E

The load reduction is and how we're going to have it exactly.

B

I think that needs to be reported anyway, yeah. It's getting reported in our separate info that.

A

Will bring together but he's right. It doesn't sit nicely into ketone yeah zach uh growing, our our.

D

Engineers doing a big project off of sagamore ave, where you know 30 houses right now onto.

D

Yeah, so it's an interesting pressure modeling perspective, because you're you're essentially.

E

Taking waste from non-point source, putting it into point source, so they're set some accounting.

E

There and there's a load reduction, there's a lot of accounting too, because that's even.

A

That's your road, okay, doing that type of work, yeah.

B

Okay, there's a little bit of a potential. I don't think anyone's, probably going to need it, but.

A

Cool cool cool you've had something that I'm gonna sure that's cool yeah. um So on another note, the congressional project.

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um We've just received from unh from project lee dave burden. The first request for the first.

B

Year's worth of funding, um I presume, since um the group already reviewed the actual project.

B

Budget that we can go for and process them when we put it out there in case somebody wanted the.

B

Opportunity to to review the requests before we process the dispersion, otherwise we'll go.

B

Forward and process the discussion, so they can get started. I guess in follow-up to that. I did.

B

We ever do an official press release announcing this, and I know for a long time. We were kind of.

B

Waiting to make sure the bunny actually arrived and- and I just don't remember, ma'am as a as a.

B

Group saying hey good job, here's what we got- and this is what it's going to achieve in terms of.

B

um Investment, so maybe we should I like that, do that if we're ready to actually just disperse this.

B

Might be the time to to work on that? I would not be the person to drive that I know you know right.

A

To well kitty, maybe you and I can work offline. Our we've got some media services, guys that are really.

A

Good at things like that, if you want to work- and I know you do too so yeah we'll draft something up.

B

The second good timing, if we're about to yeah totally disperse so will that.

C

Be at the december meeting the prefer release or.

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um Sending it out, I would probably just do it unless you want don't forget.

C

So that somebody asked me is that I have an idea yeah to send an email. It's out, yeah yeah.

B

Somebody say in newington says: hey, that's pretty good yeah! I don't look so yeah. I can.

A

Do that myself, I hear you all right, cool yeah, we'll do that I'll make sure everyone sees it.

B

Really yeah the arkansas roommates suggests that you might want to um think about the broader.

B

Stories yeah, I know, but this is really about these communities working together, fundamental way and.

B

It's a good time to tell it um so, but this could be a specific example, but there's I.

B

Think there are many examples all right, we'll work on that right. I couldn't help myself.

A

So the boat's out of the water- we can do like another circle around this. Yes,.

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um All right yeah, I like that we'll do that.

A

One other really cool thing: that's going on that. A lot of people at the table are.

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Part of and melissa and jamie and sally and working with, but the great day, 2030.

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um Funding that that or continues and I've never seen anything like it um right. So I.

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Get to go on wednesday and [ __ ] cool ideas right to maybe get funded like the you know,.

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um Collaborative sweeper, and it would be right now we're talking about doing what I don't have.

A

The numbers starting to go 125 000 to do kind. All the remember all those questions that came up that.

A

We didn't really have answers to to really kind of dive into what those answers um are, how street.

A

Sweeping across all the communities could work and then melissa's um project with the that she's.

A

Doing with the stakeholders uh on on um the septic retrofits in the communities and really looking.

A

At how how it all works and how it's really going to be impacted, we're looking for a match for that.

A

Kind of a 50 50 match, so it's kind of doubling the cost and and taking that project a bit further. But.

A

It's just cool really cool, but not not a lot of um hopes to jump through. I guess there's a.

A

I don't know a board that we present to and from the steering committee that we present to.

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um There's funding over a number of years, but anyway, so stay tuned with that um exciting.

A

Stuff, I think, there's just a lot of cool things going on out there and then I don't know if you.

A

Guys want to talk about your storm, water, utility, discussion or jamie. If you have anything to add.

A

um Yeah we presented to a work session of council uh a couple weeks ago now and.

D

You know working towards a proposal to develop the stormwater utility for the for the city.

D

Similar to what dover has been working on, you know in other communities, you know, so it's nothing.

D

Groundbreaking but it's you know so we're moving forward as, as you know, I'm trying to come up with.

E

What your estimated annual um kind of income would need to be. uh We are it's what close yeah that's.

B

That's the number one thing: the presentation is online, yes, and it was very well received enlarged.

B

By the city councilors, so we are moving yeah ahead to take it. The next step, uh having uh gotten a.

B

Number of questions um so we're kind of teeing up those answers and we'll be going back to the.

B

City council, with some decision points in terms of things like credits and different structures, but.

B

um I'd say it was very well received by an election in your in your estimate.

A

That I can ask to go find, but did you include like flood resiliency stuff, or was it really.

A

Just storm water stuff, uh no well yeah, both yeah and then did you break out the way like uh street.

A

Reconstruction projects did you break out the sewer? Excuse me: the storm water portions of.

A

Like an islington street project or whatever capital projects like that yeah yeah, a little.

A

Bit yeah, I didn't really look into your numbers, just curious good. Thank you. Yeah, there's a.

D

Look at our you know: existing capital, yeah.

B

It's it's final. Acceptance of that is uh subject to.

B

Town or city residents floating on I mean or is that that could be done at becomes.

D

By the council, the city council would adopt the necessary ordinances to implement them.

A

And that's the case in dover as well: portland maine. um I think there are other examples too, where it requires sometimes, but.

C

um Meeting both and their adequate sort of public outreach and sort of building public.

C

Understanding what it's for can lead to not being adopted, but in this case.

B

um A reasonable amount of publicity, but we're just beginning, should I say more of.

B

That conversation, but I think um you know we've been very clear. This is really about equity. You.

B

Know it's just the proper division. If you will of the responsibility of the stormwater costs,.

D

Yeah, that's you know reallocation of funds from you know. You know you know putting.

D

It out of your kind of space, you know: we've shown that actually the individual residents.

D

um You know, essentially, a reduction in their costs is comparing it to the larger purpose. You know.

B

Common properties- great, I can add that rochester's work team. Our committee essentially just had.

B

Their first meeting and so it'll be right in a couple of the coming months without the process.

B

And just getting started a little earlier in the process, great all right, anything else, any exeter.

A

Things you want to share or do anything all right. Pretty um december will be my last meeting. Okay, so.

A

Speaking of that december will be the last meeting I think jennifer says she's leaving in december, so.

C

um Earlier in december, let's try and get something on the books and stick to it.

C

A

I don't think we need a ton of time. I feel comfortable kind of turning this around.

A

Yeah good december 6th- I so I am about to starting this week.

B

um Negotiate: eight collective bargain agreements yay and um the six I will be in english, but um is.

A

There a day that week that might work for you, the eight is the privacy of the estuars. [music] Yes,.

B

That's correct: I do too.

A

Katie, can we go see that new dpw.

A

Yes, yeah, we can host a new facility. um We've had some streaming issues at that location with.

B

um Gym trainings, but I think that's the results. I can confirm that, but I could host either way.

B

And I could finalize the application, sounds good yeah the morning of the seven um new appointment.

A

What time are you guys thinking? I need to be back in portsmouth buying new niche, I'm gonna do like.

A

Nine o'clock good night: what does that work uh wednesday? This, uh the seventh at nine in rochester,.

B

Milton all right, that's a good point. That would be one.

B

Like another day yeah, I could also do thursday morning at 11. so stop by now.

B

It still consistent, okay, nine o'clock. We can either do the seven or eight rochester.

C

A

All right, thank you all and if we have anything else, motion to adjourn anyone into a journey back.

A

In seconds dennis all right, all those in favor aye, maybe the person taking my squad to come.