City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Municipal Alliance for Adaptive Management, 7 Dec 2022

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12.7.2022 Municipal Alliance for Adaptive Management

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All set all right great um good morning, and thanks for everyone coming, this is the.

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December end of year meeting for the municipal alliance for adaptive management and um before.

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We get going, we can go ahead and do introductions because we're a pretty small group here today so.

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um Chris, would you get started sure chris jacobs and uh for.

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Laura's benefit: uh will you just state if you're a voting member and criticism.

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All right, gretchen, young uh city of dover and I'm a voting member and paul.

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Is a voting member as well jason kearney city of dover, uh mel cote epa, non-voting.

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Sally sold in the future department of environmental services.

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New hampshire.

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Perry town of exeter voted.

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Katie ambrose city of rochester voting member, yes, suzanne, woodland, deputy city and manager.

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Port smith voting thanks eric, thank you and cpa, not voting. I live with lawrence smith.

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All right, colin, I'm going to throw it to you.

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uh Kalamatso region, estuary's partnership, non-voting.

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And jamie jamie mccarty city of portsmouth, gis and stormwater manager, not a boating member um yeah, go.

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Ahead, jim jim steinkra, I was rocky and pignatelli, not a voting member for me and ronnie anne.

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Ronnie and rakovski city of portsmouth, business administrator and non-voting member and jennifer.

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Hi jennifer chris city of dover, not a voting member.

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And tom, hey everybody tom swenson des non-voting member all right awesome! Thank you. Everyone.

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Yes, please, I'm so sorry go ahead, dennis dennis messier and connor newington voting member.

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Great and ariel ray town of newington all right, great, ariel nice to meet you and then we just had.

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Brian early join in so brian brian early. You can introduce yourself if you'd like you, don't have to.

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All right brian early is from city of dover he's with our media services, so.

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um We are trying to update some of our web information.

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um And so before we get started. I do want to mention that I know jennifer perry's last meeting.

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Is today she says she's flying out within a week south and dennis. This is your last meeting as well.

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Right, so thank you both obviously done a ton for this. This group and um ariel, I guess you're, going.

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To be taking over so that's the next one, that's absolutely appropriate. Yeah! That's great thanks.

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Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. We will have a representative at the next.

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Meeting I'm working on who that is good cool.

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Yeah well, this is a big meeting, so um this is good. We'll set the budget.

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For next year, so first, um let's do approval of minutes. uh We're.

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Just going to be doing the last members meeting minutes september, 15th um 2022.

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Dennis all right great- um and we are all here so we'll- do all those in favor, okay,.

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Okay, all right so milton abstention and then the rest uh approve. Okay. So now we're gonna start in.

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On the item number three review of the 2023 budget recommendations: um I'll do a quick synopsis. We've.

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Reviewed them with the executive committee, which, hopefully, everyone was able to participate or.

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Catch up on, we were able to, um I think, make a recommendation of a total cost of uh 566 700.

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um And that was pretty much all of the so that included the website. Brown and.

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Caldwell work, ptap, work um and group, one two and three of the priorities outlined.

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um In the prep work for this year there were a few items that were in the original list.

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That were removed because of some additional funding, so that was the number that we got to.

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um Then we learned uh and you can feel free to add more if you'd like, uh but that exeter did.

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Not have some expenses that were encumbered yeah right, we had budgeted to contribute to either.

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um This effort or to um prep- and we didn't make that payment, so I want to make this payment.

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Actually, today, when I get back to the office, I have bit background information, but I'm almost.

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Wondering if I could get an invoice or something from katie from you as just kind of reinforcing.

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That I'll put some of the background in it as to what it's paying for, but it's a little hard.

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When I don't have a specific invoice to pay to yep, so yes, so um I sent this out and I'm open.

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To suggestions, but my feeling would be the two options would either be to um bank that money in.

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Our sort of pot of additional funds, or to apply that to the total that we came up with this year.

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And that would reduce the costs for each um uh contributing member, so it would bring the cost.

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From 566 700 down to 519, uh 684 and and just kind of redistribute that through so looking for some.

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Suggestions or ideas on that, so it's clear for me so in your budget um um machine where you have.

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The 2023 proposed and then 2023 west previous appropriation yeah. It looks like you've sort of.

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um Proportionately applied the 47 plus to each of the line, the rows yeah. I just took yeah exactly.

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I took the total, I made it a new total and then applied it using the same percentages.

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I would also add that out of the 2022 budget, I believe the only item outstanding for.

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Invoice would be website work to date um so factoring that out we currently have 65 615.

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Available in 2022.- and that was from like the initial plot- that the three communities put.

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In and that we spent some of it down, but we didn't spend all of it: yeah, okay, great.

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So we already have some contingency in the plot, so.

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To speak, if we didn't want to apply the 37 000 to this year's allocation.

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So I would move uh to apply that 47 000, uh as outlined in the spreadsheet that says 2023 less.

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Previous appropriation for that total of 519.684., okay suzanne any second, a second great katie.

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All right, any more discussion will be helpful for the record if we just.

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Kind of reviewed the contributions for each community under that 519.. Thank you, okay, so.

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um Again, this is, and uh actually jennifer pointed this out to me. I shared it in the email, but the.

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uh Spreadsheet that I had passed out originally did say uh it was divided based on the nitrogen.

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Load, it was actually always divided based on the flow, but the column was mislabeled. So the.

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Percentages break down the way that you see them here on this um on the uh on the spreadsheet, so.

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I'm going to read through uh each one so out of the 519 684 rochester is uh 24.42 at 126.893.71.

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uh Portsmouth, this is their main plant is at 29.76 and that ends up being 154 643.83.

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uh Dover is 22.82 that ends up being 118, 568.68 uh exeter is at 14.56, and it's 75.

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000 682 and 14 cents, peas, which is also falls under portsmouth, is at 5.83 and that's a 30.

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000 272.85 amount, uh newington is 1.41 uh that is 7 315.94 rollinsford is 0.73 at 3 000. It's an.

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Important it is, it is, um and 3784 and 11 cents and uh milton comes in at point four. Nine percent two.

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Thousand five hundred twenty two point: seven, four: all right: excellent, excellent work, guys well yeah.

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So um any other discussion, all right christian. I just wanted to ask if there has been any recent.

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um Discussion with any of the other communities expressing interest in joining or if there's any.

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Pendings, um no, I haven't heard anything from anyone recently, any good movement.

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um I did send out when I sent out what the percentages were um and I to to all, and I.

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Hope, folks see that you know I, I think that this is it really. It shows you know, newington was you.

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Paul's chuckling, but it's it's not it's, not a huge lift in newington or excuse me. Rollinsford uh is.

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Part of this whole process, so I really think there's a lot of benefit to being part of it.

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um So richard can I just ask a quick question like procedurally, if you brought more people.

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In with the those percentages, basically come down, yeah some of that effective costs per so.

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um The materials that I said, I didn't print everything out, but it did also have an.

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All if everyone was um participating, what the costs would be, and it's not.

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Oh, we have the ball here, um so the drop you know, I think it was. I I don't remember, but maybe 20 or 30.

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000 off of dover's 118, which is not insignificant, but you know.

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um It just would be it's it's. The benefit is that kala can come to one place. You can come to.

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One place that there's this kind of momentum and and collaboration as as we keep talking about so.

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um Yes, the cost would go down. um Maybe there would be some changes because I think you know new.

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Market is contributing directly to prep, or maybe somersworth is contributing directly. So maybe some.

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Of those numbers would change a little bit, but um since the barriers to additional communities.

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Participating are just legitimate, for whatever reason, I think, there's still the stigma. That is.

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Hard to get past the perception of the perception yep, I think it's the five years move along.

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I don't know it's hard to guess well, yeah perspective, seeing them with city council.

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Yes, they feel they were paying in to prep so yeah. Instead of moving it, they were just going to stay.

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There yeah- I guess I was just trying to figure out- is this something that um like prepped or you know.

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Unh could help with and advertising the benefits of the programs that we're running for the guinea.

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Benefit of everybody, yes, and and like anything, I could spend more time diving into that too, but.

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um Well, related to that, you had drafted a letter back early in the summer. Are there still thoughts.

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About sending that yes, there are, I really, I think we all talked about this. The letter didn't quite.

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Capture the benefits, I think, with the approval of this we're going to have.

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A better outline of the benefits, um katie's finishing drafting a.

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Press release on the uh congressional spending that is going. I've got brian earley here today.

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Who's, hopefully going to take some notes and help me put together um additional wording.

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On some of the work that we're doing and then revamp that and send that letter out.

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That we have a pending motion: okay, sorry and.

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Just maybe we want to close that loop. Sorry about that all right. Let's do uh a vote.

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All those in favor yeah, it's chris, can you call me back later? Is that again? Yes, no, I mean okay.

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Okay, great um any more do.

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We feel we're good with that, then moving on to discussion of the website development sure.

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Subworking group uh had an initial meeting with the website developers um to look over the general.

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Framework, we provided some feedback based on um really what we thought. The organization here would.

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Need and and how to um make the information more accessible kind of talked a little bit about how.

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We'd like to build out a dashboard to kind of and the links with what ptap is already doing,.

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um I think we gave some good feedback, and tomorrow we have another meeting to kind of.

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Look at the next evolution, so I'm hopeful by the time we meet again uh we'll have a pretty.

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Be pretty close to final and getting something that would be easy for everyone to access and.

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We'll be reaching out to the community, seeing how you want to link into um to the standalone.

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Website so I don't know if jamie you want to add any more of gretchen but people. Finally moving.

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No, I don't, I don't really have anything else to add to that.

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The one question I had for, um I hope that melissa paley would be here. She wasn't.

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um But I'm not sure what presents the stakeholder committee wants to have on our website.

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um And so I would open it up to the members to see if you guys have any opinions on that or feelings.

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No yeah, okay, so we'll work with her and see how she'd, like that's handled.

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All right gretchen, I did want to I'm not sure who to send it to, but I did see that.

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Exeter didn't have a brief description to try and get up um who should I've been.

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Working on it, who should I send that to uh can you gretchen me and jamie okay? Thank you.

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Yes, actually jennifer. Thank you for bringing that up. I also did pass out the.

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um Those blurbs that we put at the beginning of.

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um The adaptive management plan uh sent to via email- I did not bring them today and if folks.

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Just want to double check what they have and uh if you want to make any modifications to those.

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Please do so and get them to myself or suzanne or jamie mccarty, and we can get that included.

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All right great faith. uh Moving on to item number five is the great bay 2030 funding opportunity.

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um So this was you. I've mentioned this a couple times. It's really this on I've, never seen anything.

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Like it um funding with uh through an anonymous donor, there is a a board or a group that is.

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um Overseeing the funds and uh they've broken it into different working groups, and there is.

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The do you have it on here. What are we, the water quality working group.

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And so um we did a we sort of brainstormed another number of projects in the region that could really.

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um Make some some difference with water quality improvements and the street sweeper project that.

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We worked on the or the seafring project that we put together um uh in the spring really rose.

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To the top, because of its collaboration because of its kind of regional work and because street.

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Sweeping really does have some potential benefits. I think, even at that discussion that we had back.

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In the spring, it was acknowledged that there were pieces that were not fully understood.

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How it would work, who would be housing this? Who would own the street sweeper? How insurance is.

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Going to work, how all of those pieces, um so we put the grape a 2030 working group decided to.

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um Apply for some funds to really brainstorm. What are we calling it like? A feasibility.

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Study of doing this regional approach and it it's gotten a lot of great feedback and support.

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um And it's because of our collaboration because of this wanting to support the work that ma'am's.

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Doing that the communities are doing uh working with unh, really understanding that uh nitrogen.

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Productions that we're able to get out of this type of approach, um so it's got a lot.

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Of positive feedback, we have put together the draft application that I distributed and then.

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Also printed and passed out here today and I'm hoping to get a vote of support to continue to.

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Work through securing some of those funds, the lift for the man communities would be minimal.

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But also as much as you'd like so there will be a technical uh committee. That's put together to kind.

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Of oversee this and I'm hoping that we'll get support from all of the communities to really.

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Understand what your needs are, how it could work into your fleet or your process, but there's no.

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Requirement to do that, so it's not a huge time commitment, no added cost, no fiscal contribution.

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um But just sort of a support for this application open up to questions.

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And we've got sally sewell and jamie hold here who are both working on this as well.

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Does only have to do with street sweeping equipment and maintenance, or is it well so.

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Why don't we do it? So it's not fully understood, but the idea at this point would be to purchase.

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A regional street sweeper that can go, and not just in the regulated communities, perhaps in.

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The non-regulated communities, and once we get into a point that we're really taking.

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Credits and bart and bartering credits for nitrogen production. You know we may be able.

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To sweep areas that aren't in these regulated communities that still get credit for it, um you.

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Know so there's a lot of potential benefits, but right now the idea would be to purchase one unit.

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um It would be a high efficiency unit, my my guess, and that I do believe, there's a lot of interest in.

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Doing an electric unit um and then figure out how it could be just moved around the region.

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um But so this understanding that there's still a lot of questions.

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This is really just focusing on doing a feasibility analysis and how that works.

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um Because we know that there are questions and we believe that there are answers. But you know.

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We're working through that good question so like what I was like there was was a lot of detail on.

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What kind of sweeper you're looking for so I think high efficiency was maybe mentioned. There's a and.

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I've heard of regenerative supersuit marked four years here- we've been talking about regenerative.

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Vacuum sweepers, so I'm guessing that's what we're talking about, but just I'm curious, yeah well again,.

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The feasibility studio will hash some of the stuff out, but the idea is to not do a straight.

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Mechanical sleeper and I'm coming to it from my experience in dover and we, I would really like.

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These regenerative speakers and we've gotten some hang-ups because of you know, they're not great. At.

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Large, but with me files or whatever, these are the types of things that I would bring to this.

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Technical group and say well, this is what we're working through you know. Perhaps this is end over.

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Following after our traditional sleeping program, um but we would have to see what the needs are.

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In other communities, and but the idea is not to do more of the same, it would be to do something.

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And improvement yeah. Well, I also make sure one thing I know from the I get from our foreign.

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So the goal of this is to supplement existing street sweeping programs. Well, yes, it is. It won't.

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It can't be your ms4 compliance, but it would supplement what you're doing it would also go.

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Outside of uh regulated communities, and the idea is that you would start to be able to get these.

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Added credits, for it also dovetails really well with a lot of the work that we're doing, which.

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Is again we're not taking set credits, you don't have credits that you have to get just yet, but the.

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Understood credits for street sweeping, we believe, are much lower than what that they really could.

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Be, and so um unh and des are working together to really understand what the street sweeping.

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Reductions can be, and then you know even more so what a leaf sweeping you know fall leaf. Pickup.

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Sweeping um what kind of loads are being reduced, organic loads being reduced for that we're also.

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Learning a lot of the secondary benefits, we're doing a study right now we're doing a lot of.

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Secondary benefits, so you know that would tie into some of the work that we like the phosphorus.

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But also like you know, it's going to improve drainage maintenance and it's going to help snow.

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Removal efforts because you're not having leaf piles and there's a lot of secondary stuff. So.

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So hopefully, kind of putting that together and determining where so I'd move to support the.

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Pieces, I'm sorry I get rambling. I apologize. It's a good question mike yeah. Thank you. So second, susan.

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uh Katie's second, any more discussion, all right, all those in favor aye, great.

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um We do not have a representative from the stakeholder committee, but I would welcome.

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If there are anyone that wants to comments, take all the comments are hearing non-public comment.

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Right, can I get that? Are you a public? Well, I don't know, I think, that's where I would.

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uh Sweeping programs also supported by prep, uh so it's a clean suite that led to the.

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Experimental measure credits that also mail at epa region. One has written a letter of support.

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For it was that was funded by threats so yeah I want to don't want to exclude them. You are.

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Absolutely right, yep, that's absolutely true! Yeah it all! It's really cool. It's all coming.

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Together with this credit for growing green, that's moving into implementation and continuing study.

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um All right, sorry did we finish the both all those are good, okay and then uh sorry, if this.

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Were I guess, it's an opportunity to ask any questions or yeah sort of going back to the.

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Budget- and that was the question of whether it there were, we have seven right now, contributing.

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To that overall budget, if you're able to increase the number of the municipalities.

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It would not, it would reduce the individual per municipality cost, but would there would it in.

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Any way increase the total budget. Just by yeah I mean it's still the same monitoring program. It's.

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Still the same ptap support, so I don't see how those costs would go up, but are there any other.

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Ways that the total cost would go up by more of the municipalities distributing yes, so right now,.

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Summer sort of is putting wait, 30 000, I don't know what it is, but into directly to prep. Presumably if.

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They came to work with us. They would no longer be funding what they are funding in prep. That would.

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Come so that's an ask that color has not come to us with, because they've got this additional.

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Funding but if someone's work for product care they'd come to us without us new market, I don't.

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I don't claim to know exactly what they're doing, but I know that they are doing something.

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um So if they became part of the municipal alliance that work, I think they're buying.

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Data songs and things like that, but that would be an ask of this group and then uh I know that.

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Durham is also doing separate uh work, so you know again, um so it's not it's not a complete apples.

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To apples it can't be um yeah. I would expect too, that the consultant support, which is now based on.

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Seven of the 12 municipalities potentially go up because it would be servicing more. I don't think.

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So so the consultant support, so a consultant can can we. We have brown and caldwell right now that.

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Is working on behalf of the municipal alliance? I guess it could go up to a little bit if they.

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Were representing more people, but I I don't think so. The way right now there's multiple consultants.

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I I don't think you yeah it's a little bit of duplicating efforts like with creating.

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The adaptive management plan- I can't speak to what those communities are paying consultants for, but.

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That work would not be in it. We wouldn't add that to municipal work, so I one of the pitches is that.

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It would be more cost benefit. That's a huge piece as the consultant piece. If one part, if you're.

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Paying one consultant to do all of this or we're doing a lot of the writing of the amp in-house and.

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Things like that, uh you, those are costs that those individual communities don't have to bear, but.

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I understand they have a long relationship with the consultants, for whatever reason.

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They want to continue to do that, so that would if they wanted to continue to do.

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That that would remain an individual cost. I obviously we could talk about it and change.

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It too, but I don't anticipate that being how did the scope would change all that much right.

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Well I'll put my summer and going into the budget she's nice, you know they say if it's twenty six.

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Thousand dollars we join ouija in columbus world going up that cost should go down and look yes.

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um My question to this young man was: does it affect his entity by that money coming away.

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I don't want to take money from them, make their job difficult and you aren't jamie. I don't know.

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If you're getting jamie and prep confused but jake, what ptap is doing is right now ma'am is entirely.

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Paying for ptap because we recognize that is how important it is and no one else is paying into it.

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Eventually, it's going to be a service, it's like no one cannot put that hat on the reason we came into.

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The man group was because there was a cost benefit announced. So I need to show that, because I'm on.

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The public works environment. I need that we can save some money by joining the man group. So that's.

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I would argue that a smaller community, the bang for your buck, is much it's exponential, because.

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There's so the you would never be able to do and that's how that's how it is like summers work, the.

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um It's it's uh streamlining the the program and you're reducing redundancy yeah by kind of.

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Collaborating I heard these words and you're at the table and you're at the.

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Table the conversations that we talked about with prioritizing uh turbidity and things like.

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That were you know, and this this is a big chunk of funding uh to prep. That's you know talking.

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About making some those are big decisions, you know so, and I'm assuming new market isn't in.

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The group, because they are paying for prep too right or somebody- I I don't know specifically.

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How new market is thinking? It doesn't worry about yeah for three more weeks one day.

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I mean what they're the benefits that they're talking about are exactly the types of things.

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You want to tie into a letter, that's you know, advocating for their participation and.

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um And actually being able to give an example of that cost benefit analysis that was done and.

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Why it's more cost effective, just in the smaller communities would be would be powerful. You know we.

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Had when we we sent a letter- and I forget exactly- it- was back in the spring, um encouraged to all.

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The municipalities, encouraging participation and all of these efforts- man, peace, have prmc.

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And you know, obviously, new hampshire des and epa are very interested in these communities. All.

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Participating collectively in all these efforts, as you know, a demonstration of commitment to.

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Meeting these goals, and so we'll continue. You know, however, we can support that effort as well.

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um We'll be continuing to talk about that a demonstration of commitment I like that.

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Streamlining cost reduction.

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And another aspect: I mean we're all talking about the benefits to those communities that.

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Are still kind of watching, but there's also a benefit to this organization in that not just.

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The cost sharing, but just the experience- and um you know the local expertise. That's.

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Brought to the table- and I think you know it- helps us all too, because everybody's.

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Going to have their own sweeping programs and experiences or wastewater treatment.

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Is education if we get the new website up and there's a link from the sums or city sums, work.

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Website, then, people can be educated what those growth does well, there's a lot of fingers that.

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That can be beneficial to the city of sons or and other ones that aren't in the group.

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So if you're looking for a part or a volunteer gig in your retirement, we can send you something.

K

You offered one yesterday so we'll have to wait and see, but yeah they don't wait until you leave.

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It's a closed I'm like well. I can't make that individual. I have a respite time.

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That's why you're getting on the plane this week.

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Yes, yes, and- and I can just add it beyond the money- I think it goes back to this.

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Is a one stop, so to speak for the you know, prep for our representatives from des epa.

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You know unh to be here and, and it's much more efficient in terms of communicating.

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um And, as jennifer said, the voice is coming back so that those who are working you know as partners.

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With us have the ability to have as many voices and perspectives at the table, um it also helps.

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Us get the attention of the congressionals right, you know, there's and when we file applications.

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For money, it's a lot more interesting to see an application that has the support of seven eight.

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Nine communities, we collectively think this is worth your attention and your funds to support.

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This so I I think it has benefits actually far beyond the the dollars. The dollars are always.

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Important, um but I think, there's a there are multiple benefits um and we're all busy and if we.

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Can use everyone's time more effectively right and efficiently? You know in the non-profit realm you.

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Know this this is important and- and I think that's a big piece of what this collection offers- yeah.

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Well, suzanne, just to answer that I think that's what makes this grief a 20, 30. exciting. So true.

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Just light up, when we talk about it yeah it is. These towns are working together, so yeah exactly.

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um One another perspective is um the legal side or the risk aversion side.

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I'm always aware that the conservation law foundations out there and they.

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Circled like a hawk looking for, if you will.

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Someone who's, maybe not living up to what they consider the level of involvement or action and.

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You take a community like a somersworth or durham, or a new market. They've got the fiscal means.

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The conservation law foundation will be looking at, in other words, in terms of getting a settlement.

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To continue their mission, and um so, if you're, but if you're enjoined with a group like this.

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They can't say that you've got your head buried in the sand, you're not taking any.

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Action you're not trying to be proactive, you're, not moving forward to looking for solutions.

A

And you know you say well what you know it didn't impact little old milton because.

A

You can come and bang the two nickels together and the penny might fall out and they they know.

A

That so they're going to leave, I'm not worth we're, not we're diving on for to continue.

A

And I don't think I'm knocking conservation law foundation, I'm just calling it as it is.

A

I see it as a it's, uh it's kind of a checks and a balances thing that conservation law foundation.

A

Is really our in some respects, our conscience or uh and keeps us held to task? If you will.

A

um Don't always agree with their means or methodology, but can't say it hasn't caught the.

A

Attention of and dennis we've all had to deal with this that we have counselors. We have legislators.

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We have all the way up from governors and senators that in some respects, they're not as focused on.

A

These issues, and not as aware of them and having somebody like conservation law foundation, is.

A

Circling like a hawk overhead, keeps everybody's uh engine and thus for our community, like milton that.

A

Was my critique to the my voice selected? Is it's not that you should get involved? You can't afford.

A

Not to informed so one just like with rollinsford and was stated earlier, we are going to gain.

A

This is a huge investment quality. It's a small investment for us with huge possibilities.

B

um Huge possibilities, um because no I let alone milton could never replicate one tenth of the.

A

Research or uh dated mining or grant analysis, and all that other stuff that that this group.

A

Can do so, that's why I see it. It was a no-brainer for us and I would remind other communities that.

A

You have to be proactive, you have to be, you have to be on the ship, you have to be.

A

What's the outage, you have to have a seat at the table right otherwise, you're going.

A

To be forced to get a seat at the table, well, maybe we'll try and put some testimony, maybe.

B

Summarizing some of what you just said and like the testing, if we have the notes really good words.

A

It's just my style. I know I've irritated a few people and I I cut to the chase. If you will.

A

Well, you have to understand the group people that I was with before.

A

um The depth, the depth of the issue, it isn't you, you know.

A

I think you've seen is that my time is.

A

Unbelievably, precious I'm spread way too thin. There's just too many things.

A

You're asking your administration to do, and so this is one of those that.

A

The benefits received for the smaller communities.

A

Are so far greater than anything we can bring to the table? Yes, yes, yep.

G

All right, well with that kumbaya moment, um get brian to work on the testimonials yeah yeah.

B

um All right, any other public comments. I just had one for an update, so uh milton has.

A

Finished uh facilities, study for the wastewater treatment plant and potential growth of the system.

A

um It's been under review for the last couple of weeks. uh It just got shipped up to the state for.

A

Their review and you know, comments before it'll get actual finalized and released, but it what.

A

It says is the same thing as every other community is that when it comes to the next round of federal.

A

Permitting there's going to be things that communities are going to have to meet and we're.

A

Not in a position right now to meet those things yeah, we have a small plan so because we're at the.

A

You know we're at the headwaters of essentially the that really the same culture, but it is.

A

um What we don't do impacts all of you and uh therefore I just want to let you know we are.

A

Have been actively pursuing that and uh so you'll be out in a couple weeks. I I noticed a comment.

B

uh um Chris jacobs has been speaking brian. um He is off camera you're right, okay from milton there.

B

He is sorry about that. That's all right! I didn't want to see my ball yeah. You gotta work here.

B

um Well, that's awesome and that actually brings us to item number eight other business. So that's.

B

That's a good update for for many. I do have a couple of items that all open up to others. First,.

B

Their business I want to share dover has an rfq for our creation of the stormwater utility. I think.

B

I know I've said this, but uh back in february we had a vote by the council to direct the.

B

City manager and staff to create an ordinance and implementation plan for starter utility.

B

With the intent of adopting it, so it's not fully adopted yet we'll need to go back to council, but.

B

That was the clear intent we were able to get some seafring funding for that hundred thousand dollars.

B

That, unfortunately load that process right down, but we received governor council approval the day.

B

Before thanksgiving and my finance department was able to post the rfq on that friday, so um thanks.

B

To to them to doing that for doing that, but um so that's out I'm going to leave here and go to.

B

Pre-Bid meeting for that, um I'm really excited and the time frame is to get it done in the fall.

B

Of this year to back in front of council, so we're going to be kind of kind of fast tracking. But I.

B

Think kind of good pacing that and then another piece that I want to bring to the attention of.

B

Everyone, this is a really low uh priority, but end of the year last year, we um the settlement.

B

Agreement, which really is only with dover, rochester and portsmouth, but kind of, includes.

B

A lot of us had clf and the stakeholders received forty five thousand dollars 15 from each of those.

B

Communities and it was intended to be paid for by for a project of their choosing within 2021 a year.

B

Ago we had an amendment to extend that through 2022, and so I just wanted to bring this to the.

B

Group again for a vote to extend that for another year to 2023. So I'm hoping that's a pretty low.

B

So I don't think we don't need to vote just discussion, okay, cool, so.

B

We'll work on updating that language, yes, 2019.

K

They wish some money and you guys were gracious enough to give them 45 now here it is.

K

Four years later and they can't come up, you know what, though, dennis I could.

B

Not have paid forty five thousand dollars to have that lesson I mean.

K

You're gonna be here every year for 30 years for them before they spend the money. I think I think.

B

There'll be a time no, I know I think, that's a fair comment. They're, not diving, too far down the rabbit.

B

Hole, I think it's been a really good experience, because it is not hard for us to implement these.

B

Things either excuse me: it's not easy for us to implement these things either within a year.

B

So it's it's taking them time, which is to be expected because they were here a year ago about.

K

Septic systems and pieces of equipment yep. Well, I guess they didn't get anybody to volunteer to.

K

Do it so I support experience then, and uh can I just uh what you what gretchen was saying is.

D

That clf to learn a lesson that implementation is difficult, but it is a long road. It doesn't.

D

Happen overnight is worth it yeah. Thank you for saying it better than mike. Then me too, jamie is.

G

Really good at doing that, because they're going to read the public minutes all yeah as long as.

B

um uh In the interest- because I know we are all crazy busy and some of us even.

B

More so than others, so I would like any other business. I would just like to say.

K

That the need they won. Thank you yeah in spanish and education sitting here.

K

um And thank you yeah. You bet thank you, everybody yeah. Thank you.

G

Ariel should be a, I know, we're here, wonderful replacement for me.

I

I have something that's uh kind of a municipality report. I just want everybody to know. We had an.

I

Audit from new hampshire dol department of labor, I heard if anybody hasn't gone through one recently.

I

And we hadn't been through one since 2007 and granted. We have a brand new wastewater treatment.

I

Facility there were a lot of gaps, and most of it was really basic. You know, like appropriate signage,.

I

For confined space entry, making sure I can find space entry program is up to snap making sure that.

I

Every single piece of equipment is labeled and if it's you know, if you have a gantry, it's got the.

I

Posted do it now: okay, there you are coming. They only have two inspectors for the entire state, but.

I

They are focused on wastewater treatment plants right now, so I've had one this past year. So I.

C

Think they're making the rounds yeah was it with cartoon with bob the whole city, yeah whole city.

I

But by far the heaviest lift is for the wastewater treatment. Yeah get your training programs back up.

I

To 100 you know we were at like 98, so um I'm just sharing that piece of advice to everybody. I at.

K

90 good yeah, but there's a lot of little things. I mean every electrical panel 36 inch clearance unit.

I

Everybody's got a box under an electrical panel. I don't care where you go.

K

If I could get some of those, so we could finish that you know. Maybe we just went.

I

Through an upgrade well, that's what I thought too. I don't just saying, but I.

K

Have ocds online? Actually, if you have or if you're a primex um member have dave.

I

With them and or somebody from primex come out and they can, they can give you a quick welcome.

C

Yeah, that's a good idea.

G

Okay, um all right well done scheduling our next meeting.

B

um I'd like to do it in either end of january, beginning of february dive into our six-month.

B

Checkup on the amp uh there's some other- uh I wouldn't will go through review comments.

B

To both clf and uh uh excuse me epa had some comments which you know. I think we've got good.

B

Responses too, but wouldn't go through. All of that, so um that'll be a pretty technical meeting.

B

um In the beginning of the month, or excuse me beginning of the year so throw out some dates is.

K

Third, wednesday is not a good day, nope third wednesday, it's.

C

Not a good is that full day I apologize.

B

um Wednesdays or thursdays better for people.

A

Well, conflict is stillwater college. I won't do that. Try not to it's not not.

B

Unheard of, but I'm also supposed to go to welfare on thursdays.

C

It's up to you, I can do thursday right now. Wednesdays are great for me, because wednesdays.

J

Should come in a different day? Well, I'm gonna be like a whole lot filling those files as well so.

B

Okay, well then, um do you want to do wednesday, the 25th january 25th? Does that sound good for folks.

G

Yes, all right for wednesday. No, so of course it's the fourth wednesday I got you dennis.

E

What uh depends when you do it? I've got a mandatory training to 11.

B

Would thursday be better that day, the 26th for you, uh no to you, sorry, but in the app.

E

I mean I think I will do an afternoon one it just wednesday afternoon, sound good for.

C

People what works better for me as well? Okay, great so, do you want to do like a one o'clock.

B

um And I believe dover's up because I won't make newington, do it I'll? Let you get your feet under.

B

You um so we'll do in dover, one o'clock and over. So that's pretty good on the 25th.

D

President, [music] I would presumably be doing that I think yeah.

B

Let's see but any other things you want to do, hopefully.

C

And that's where we started and actually we would probably do it at dover mass road. um I would count.

B

On mass roads, not the wastewater treatment, that's on um so master is the public works facility. Okay,.

C

We can go down to wastewater if we want the bug right. Okay,.

B

Let's do so we'll do template.

G

Is there somewhere, I can submit my contact information? Yes, yes, you can email it to me.

B

And I'll get you on the list. um Yes I'll get you we'll get back I'll. Do.

K

Yeah, thank you.

B

Comments all right with that dennis jennifer, who wants to do the motion to adjourn? Who wants to do.

B

This, okay, all right, all right, all those in favor bye, great! Thank you! Everyone! Thank you. Let me go.