City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Parking and Traffic Safety Committee, 4 Aug 2022

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8.4.2022 Parking and Traffic Safety Committee

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Good morning and welcome to the parking and traffic safety committee meeting of august 4th.

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2022, since our chair and vice chair are out, and not here today, I'll be serving as active chair.

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Acting chair, so the first item of business would be the call to order leela. If you would.

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Mary lou mckellway, yes, steve pesci, mark syracusa, president harold whitehouse. Yes,.

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Erica wygonic police captain mike maloney here assistant fire chief bill mcquillen here.

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Peter rice.

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City manager, karen connard, here chairman andrew bagley,.

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Great, thank you very much. We have a quorum. Next up would be the financial report uh who would like to.

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Give that is that you eric uh I bring up on the screen that ben can speak to it. If there's any.

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Questions, wonderful ben anything worthy of note.

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Well, this report does represent the conclusion of fy22 shows us at 21 above budget on our revenue.

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Collection, which is obviously great news- uh I think 1.7 million above what we conservatively.

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uh Thought we might get for uh for 2020 so, um and we've already started out having a good.

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Month so far, um first month of this year, so any questions great, thank you and does anyone have.

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Any questions of ben great seeing none can I have a motion to approve the financial report.

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And make a motion that we approve the financial report. Mr chairman, madam chairman, there we go. I.

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Moved the financial report as presented, thank you. Do we have a second I'll? Second, thank you.

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Any discussion all in favor aye any opposed. Thank you. Next up, we have public comment if you'd like.

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To give public comment kindly come up to the microphone, give us your name and your address.

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And uh we have 15 minutes allotted so we'll keep an eye on the clock, but yeah.

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You're all welcome to come and share your thoughts.

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Good morning, good morning, madam.

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Can you bring the mic towards you please right thanks. I've never been one known for.

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A soft voice, so maybe it's the time of the morning. My name is mark buddy. I was.

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Out at 121 state street- I am here at the at the request of my tenant burning house and chocolate.

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Originally, as you may know, they've been in business for a number of years.

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In the city and like many small businesses have suffered as a result of the pandemic and the.

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Collateral damage that results from it, um one page for everybody, just one yeah, I'm also yes,.

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And uh I did submit a letter, it's in your packet, I'm sure probably.

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The members of the audience.

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I've come to more fully appreciate after submitting my letter, understanding that.

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The alignment of parking is not designed to benefit one's whole business, and I come here.

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Today, not seeking that, but having spent a great deal of time reviewing the parking department's.

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Policies, procedures and what has happened in the past and what is going on presently.

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I want to note that in lower state street is very complicated area, as you all probably know,.

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Presently there are two parking spaces in front of portsmouth provisions.

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They have been there for many many years and.

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Our proposal and when I say our uh when I spoke to have been over the phone, he indicated that.

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The city's normal procedures to reach out to local businesses and see how this would affect them.

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Well, utilizing my own common sense and some.

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An effort to visit with local businesses- I did, I visited all the businesses on.

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Lower state street and discuss this issue with them and obviously, as you might expect, businesses.

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On the lower part of state street support the the notion of realigning at least one space to the the.

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Opposite side of the street um portsmouth provisions is closed and I understand beth.

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Wants to reopen it, I real I reach out to her and haven't heard word back from her to outline to her.

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My concern and how we might work up some type of solution that benefits the greatest number for the.

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Greatest good right now, this 115 parking meter on the corner of state. It's it's by the bank building.

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And there's two in front of portsmouth provisions: two handicapped cap talking spaces in front of.

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The jewish church on the opposite side of the street, there was much less parking.

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But to get right to the finer point.

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I believe that by relocating one spot, googie sandwich shop is now operating on very limited.

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Hours, the their chief utilization of that of any of those spots is primarily from 11 of one.

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Portsmouth provisions, I certainly don't want to deny them the opportunity to have one spot there.

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But I would ask that some consideration be given to realigning a parking spot in and around the 121.

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Street area, not only due to the businesses on that and that end of state street also because we're.

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Going to have another restaurant opening, it's going to be much larger. We have restaurant parking.

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The double parks across the street there are two loading zone, parking spaces in front of domo.

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And also when you travel down lowest straight street, it becomes very congested because.

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Cars are jocking to determine the position whether they want to go over. The memorial bridge.

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Where they want to loop around and go straight so if you're in the far right-hand turn.

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Traveling towards the memorial bridge, it's very difficult to get into the opposite lane and vice.

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Versa, so I I don't know what the utilization of those two 15-minute meters are but travel patents.

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Would lead me to believe that they're not utilized as fully as they possibly could be.

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But the overriding point is: is that lower straight street has undergone significant change, housing.

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Density has changed, the parking dynamic has changed, the travel patents have changed.

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And you know my view is as regulated as these parking meters shouldn't be set in stone. I'm.

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Not so sure they should be, they should be established by ordinance, but this committee.

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And the review of professionals should should have some ability to regulate within some structural.

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Confines so that it doesn't become a matter of right. These spots do not become a matter of right.

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And god forbid, we relocate them. God we get. Forgive forbid, we add another one, perhaps as part of this.

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One consider a change in the ordinance that would allow this committee some discretion in.

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Moving a parking meter, whether it's 15 or another, one subject to further review in a year or.

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Some consideration to that flexibility.

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The other impact, the the only other business that would be impact by the moving of one meter.

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Would be the art association, the former board of director of the art association I reached out to.

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Them and spoke with them, and naturally they want to keep it. I I understand that, principally for the.

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Reason that people drop off our work, but there are there, are other remedies for that, which I.

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Discuss with them- um and I won't get into those details today, but those show the shows change.

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Not infrequently, but not on a regular basis, they can also rent a meter in front of the.

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Heart association, they can make special arrangements in a number of different ways.

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Any questions we would be happy to take your comments and we'll discuss this as we move forward.

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But we don't typically do questions during public comment. Okay, so thank you for the the handout and.

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Thank you for your comments. All right I'd be pleased very pleased if you voted to approve.

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The temporary relocation of this today, but I understand that the city bureaucracy being.

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What it is want to analyze this in its own way. So if I can help the city and answering any.

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Questions or talking I'd be happy to do it. Thank you very much. Thank you. Anyone else wish to speak.

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Good morning, good morning, good morning, chairman city manager and members of the committee, I.

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Appreciate the opportunity to uh speak this morning, uh I was doing this as a follow-up.

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Carl, we need your name and address yes, my name is carl diemer. I live at 337, aldridge road right.

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Here in sunny portsmouth, so um I was following up to uh the last meeting that we had back in july.

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To see what type of progress I was kind of disappointed, it didn't make any uh on the agenda.

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Here uh for any type of discussion, I thought it would. You know after I was here last month.

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To see how we're doing um I do appreciate um mr eby uh or the police department posted up a.

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Speeding sign on alders road and uh you know that's a you- know, step in the right direction.

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Speed patrols by the police department, a little sparse, I haven't seen a lot of activity. I know.

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You guys are very busy this time of year, but anything we could do to get. You know more of it.

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It just seems to be it's still unchanged, really, with the speed sign up uh what it is.

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Is the visibility where it's posted may not be adequate when you come up over the hill there's.

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Two city trees right on that curb and as you're coming around you don't see the sign.

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To the last second, which doesn't give you much warning to slow down, so maybe something look.

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At it as far as positioning- and I know I don't know if you've pulled the readings from that.

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Sign yet, but you'll see, there's a variety. I know it's picking up walkers doing four miles an hour.

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Mike is doing 10., um I just don't want it to skew. You know the the higher end numbers and hopefully.

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You typically take out uh all the lower numbers, maybe below 18 miles per hour and then look at.

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All the ones above just so you get a good sampling of the higher mileage.

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That's going on to that road, uh but if you look at it the average it's going to skew it.

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You know what we need to put walkers and bikes, and um even electric bikes and stuff like that.

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Are in there, but my hopes are that you know which uh uh that uh director rice was here.

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So maybe he shed some light on any progress as far as uh speed humps bumps. You know that.

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I mentioned similar to what was installed in banfield, uh which have been proven to be very.

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Useful and effective on banfield road- and I know that you know we only have one speed, hump right.

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Now I know that we have one neighbor that was concerned about the noise it makes when a truck.

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Goes over but when you, when I looked at and what I've studied is, if you put a series of speed, humps.

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That'll slow the whole road down when you only have one, of course,.

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uh It may not may not be as effective as a series of them, so people know to slow down, especially.

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Larger trucks and things like that, but you know with the amount of traffic that we get in the.

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Pedestrian traffic- again it's just unchanged and which is fine, but we just need to do something.

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About the speeding, it's just it's just uh you know again. I said I said last time and said this.

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Is ridiculous if you sat there, you know out in the road and you watch them come over the hill.

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It's ludicrous, so I just want you know to the city just be aware and just to follow up and.

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um You know, uh and maybe some resolution can be found, but the speed, humps or.

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Stop signs, I know, stop signs have been utilized in other areas of the city to mitigate.

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Speed in some cases and and uh even on small side roads, so maybe that's something we need to take a.

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Look at with you know, eric in your department, you know maybe there's something we can come up with.

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And, of course, maybe more support from you know uh the police department. You know.

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Just uh I know it's uh kind of a temporary fix because they they it works for a while.

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Unfortunately, as soon as it goes away, uh you know things go back to the way they were so.

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uh And we're uh all the neighbors are uh very supportive of this and support of the city.

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Taking some sort of action on it- and I appreciate your time very much, thank you great. Thank you.

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Good morning, good morning my name is stanley catcher and I live on 296 aldrich road.

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First of all, I'd like to thank the police. Last week, my wife and I were on our front.

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Porch talking to a neighbor across the street and within a 15-minute time span.

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A police officer pulled over two speeders, which I think is a and very indicative of the.

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Speeding problem on aldrich road, but I do appreciate that.

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The effort there and I hope that perhaps budget considerations might allow more of.

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That to happen, and so that the word gets out, that if you speed on aldrich, you might get a ticket.

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I agree with carl the speed indicator sign. um I think when people come around the curve, it's.

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A little too late to see how fast they're going, although I do occasionally see people.

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The front end of their car dip down which they're you know slowing down, which is a good thing, but I.

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Think if it just moves, one telephone pole closer to islington they'll be able to see it sooner and.

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And and be able to slow down uh faster last year when we had the aldridge road speed abatement.

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Zoom meeting, I think that was what it was called. There was talk about speed. Humps one has been.

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Put in- and it looks like it might be effective on on that end of aldridge, but I think we need more.

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As I recall, they needed to look at the budget and I guess drainage in the area before they.

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Could do it so I don't know where we stand on that, but I hope that's still in the works.

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Again agree with carl the banfield road speed homes do appear to be helping quite a bit in.

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That area, but also three-way traffic stops seem to also be working well too, and I would love to see.

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Three-Way traffic stops on aldrich, uh in addition to the speed humps, but we need.

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To slow this down, because just down from my house, there are people that park on the street.

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And the road becomes very narrow in that section, and I have seen people coming in opposite.

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Directions: traveling in excess of 30 miles an hour passing each other right next to that parked truck.

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And it's very cringe worthy to see that and and sooner or later something bad is going to happen.

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There- and I hope we can take some action to prevent such an episode. Thank you. Thank you.

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Is there anyone on zoom who wishes to provide comment there are? There is.

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One person up two people, one great go for it all right. Trisha anderson allow her to talk.

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Hi everybody. Can you hear me good morning, yes, hi. Thank you. So much um should apologize in.

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Advance I'm home with three young children. So if you hear background noise, forgive me.

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My name is tricia anderson. I live at 328 aldrich, as I mentioned. I have three young.

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Children- my youngest, is only three years old and I'm here to echo the voices of my neighbor.

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Really hoping that you will help us solve the high speeds on aldrich road, I am worried about.

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The protection of my children to be totally honest, um you know, aldrich road is a place. You probably.

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All know that it's both of walkers and runners and bikers and tons of kids that are bus stops here.

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That's just one side of the street and it's also used as a cut through.

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And and unlike every other street, that's connecting middle and islington, I believe.

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Pass and union and all those other places have stopped signs.

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So, logically, all the drivers are using our road because it's the fastest way.

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To get from here to there, um but our road is not designed to be a fast road. It is narrow.

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A lot of our houses are close to the street. There's a big hill in the middle of it.

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As I've mentioned, there are tons of pedestrians and people, which is just a huge danger.

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um I appreciate the city put in one speed bump at the opposite end of the street, but it's really far.

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Away from where I live at 328 and where my three children live and where lots of other kids live.

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And it doesn't necessarily affect the traffic at rm, um and so I'm hoping this week, we talked.

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About last year, which is add, two more speed bumps um additional to the one that's already on there.

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To slow down people on the whole road, um if you appreciate the new speed tracker, that was just.

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Mentioned by the universe, but as carl painted out, I do question the validity of the data. I'm one of.

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Those people that walk past every single day and I'm clocked at four miles an hour as I walk past.

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And not only am I clocked once I clock like three or four times and every two seconds it's.

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Walking by four miles an hour um and there's again tons of walkers and runners and bikers.

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um So I do worry about that. Skewing our data, if we're looking at across.

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All the people, um and so yeah I agree with carl, would be great to look at only those going 20.

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Miles an hour above something like that, my understanding is that residents of aldrich.

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I have not been here all that this long, but that they've been asking for speed control for 20 plus.

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Years and it's only gotten worse as the west end has expanded, and I just I don't mean fully.

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Dramatic, but I worry that, of course, that doesn't do anything about this problem, despite the many.

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Cleveland residents- something tragic, could happen on the street and I'm really urging you to please.

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Help us prevent that from happening. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next person is deborah mayer.

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I dare, can you hear me, we can yes, so um my name is deborah mayer. I.

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Own a house at 312 aldridge, where my adult son with special needs lives. It is next door.

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To tricia anderson who just spoke, he is equally as vulnerable as young children, and I am also worried.

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About the safety of him and the children next door and the children that live across the street.

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From 312 aldridge cars just go very fast and uh it's it's really a hazard. I support a speed, hump.

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uh It put on the islington end of aldridge, and you know probably near the croc, the side street or.

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Anyways, I would leave it up to you guys where the best placements are, but you need to do something.

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To speed it to reduce the speed on the islington side of alder street.

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Thank you, you're welcome. uh Next person is kelly. Kelly shaw, all right.

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Well, there we go kelly.

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Okay, can you hear me we can yes, okay, great um the phone's too loud tell me to quiet down.

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I wasn't speaking to this, but I will speak to this about the speed bumps on beerfield road.

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For the baldrick's residence, I don't know if you guys have come down my road or not, but.

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The speed bumps don't make noise um if you're in tune to the traffic, and you know the trucks coming.

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Down the road or something like that, then you can tell, but it's it's very, very quiet. um It's not.

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Annoying unless you um have a box truck um that speeds over the or stops for the um the speed bump.

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And then speeds up to the next one and then slows down and then speeds up again.

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Captain maloney, you know this is an issue already and for the massachusetts folks coming down.

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Be a field from water country. They just tend to just speed right over the bumps.

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However, that's a nuisance for the summer and they lose the muffler. Who cares.

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And thank you for the enfield road. I have never seen so many walkers and bikers and everything.

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On the road, it's just been fabulous. My concern is, on the other end of banfield road and all the.

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Rumors, I am hearing in regards to 375 fanfield road, the old junkyard next to st pat's church.

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I know the bus, the echo on one side and across the street, another echo and the girl scouts.

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My concern is that, um even though this hasn't passed, the site technical advisory committee.

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Meeting yet it's still in the review and it keeps getting postponed because of lead.

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In the land um and the p, p fabs and the dirt and all that. But.

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My concern is that they say in the plans that um I think it's page 2099 and I'm not really.

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Good at reading the plans, but that there's going to be 25 tractor trailers um exiting every day.

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And then coming back so 50 round trip for 25 round trips or 50 tractor trailers coming on.

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Beyond hill road, my huge concern is the path that they're going to go. um If you take a left down to.

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Constitution, there's no really exit out that way, because there's no traffic light on lafayette road.

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If you whoopsie went the wrong way and you ended up on heritage, there is a traffic light. There.

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But someone might say: oh the wayzat says it's easier to go down to ocean.

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My biggest fear is that you know fine if you're going to put huge amazon there, that's fine.

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But can we do something to regulate the tractor trailers to go one specific way when this, if.

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This comes to croatian. um I hear it's going to be I've heard for the last two years. It's going to be.

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And the only hold up right now is the des and the the lead and the pfest and it's um I've been.

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Dogging this I've been trying to get answers about this um again. I'm hearing rumors all.

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Over the place about what's going on with this, my concern is the the where the road is right. There.

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It's the most dangerous part of banfield when you come around in the winter if they haven't.

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Had a chance to stand there, it's an ice, it's an ice track. um It's just very worrisome for all the.

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Work that has been done on banfield road over the past eight years. That tractor trailers are.

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Going to become a part of a cut-throat, and I want to see if there's anything that we can do to if.

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This is going to come to creation. um To have them, you know, have to go down banfield to peverly hill.

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And then exit out to route 1 that way, so that's what I got for today, thanks kelly, anyone else.

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That is all I see for now: okay, great, we will move forward with the agenda and under.

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Item six new business: first up, we have.

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Woodbury avenue a request for an rrfb at woodbury, manor crossing walk by a resident.

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Eric would you lead us through that discussion? Certainly thank you. Let's share my screen.

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Okay, so on your screen and in your packet is a uh aerial view of the location. This.

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Is on woodbury ave at the woodbury manor, it's halfway between boyd road and cottage street.

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There's been a request for flashing lights at this crosswalk, a lot of the residents of woodward manor.

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Use this crossing and having trouble with vehicles yielding to them, so we are putting a camera.

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Out there to observe operations and numbers of crossings and how drivers are yielding to them and.

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We should have that data ready for evaluation and a report back at next month's meeting.

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Great. Thank you. Any discussion on this item just give a motion to refer to.

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Staff for evaluation report back: second, we have a motion and a second any discussion.

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All in favor aye aye any opposed. Thank you item b, south street. A request for do not block a box at.

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The driveway to 169 lafayette road by a resident eric. Yes, madam chairman, this request came in from.

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The resident of 169 lafayette, which is this house, shown on the diagram and their driveway, is just.

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About 100 feet up from the signal at lafayette and south, and so often when the signal is back.

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Is red the traffic backs up past their driveway and it makes it difficult to make a left turn into.

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Their driveway, uh as they've, said in their letter that came in to the committee. They there hasn't.

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Been any accidents, but it's a very uncomfortable feeling for them when they're stopped to make a.

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Left turn into their driveway, so they've asked that the city painting do not block box.

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In front of their driveway on the street, so typically that we only put these at.

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Public intersections, you know an intersection of two public roads. We don't normally put them in.

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Private driveways it becomes a maintenance issue and liability. If you know for a private driveway.

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So I, while we don't usually do that we could put up a sign at the driveway that says: please do.

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Not block driveway, and uh you know in hopes that people would leave the gap open it, because it's a.

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Residential home, it's not a high traffic generator like you would have at a normal business or a.

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Public street, so that's why it doesn't raise that level of where the cities would normally paint any.

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Block box for a private driveway is there a way for you to depict where you might put that sign? It.

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Would be, uh I don't know if my cursor shows up on the screen, but it would be in this location here.

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Either side or that side of the sidewalk, so so drivers heading towards the signal would.

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See that sign and hopefully leave a gap for the driveway great. Thank you. What's the discussion on.

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This item- I just mary lou, my concern was if we did put that on the pavement, that the traffic in the.

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Morning and the afternoon, schools would really back up. So I agree that a sign is sufficient.

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Got a motion to install a sign at that location.

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Great, thank you. We have a motion. Do we have a second second great, any further discussion.

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Great seeing none all in favor aye aye. Thank you. Any opposed motion carries item c uh on maplewood.

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Avenue a request to slow traffic at prospect street by a resident eric. Yes, this uh request.

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Is coming from a resident of prospect street who's concerned when pulling out of prospect street onto.

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Maplewood avenue that the vehicles coming off the northbound ramp from the bypass tend to roll.

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Through the stop sign and there's very short distance between the ramp and prospect street.

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And so it's a very short distance and as well as vehicles coming over the bridge along maplewood.

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Maybe going faster and and it's a limited sight distance for people coming out of prospect, so he's.

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Asked the committee of the city to look at ways of possibly slowing the traffic down traffic calming.

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Maybe doing something to keep the trap make the traffic stop at the end of the ramp better than.

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They do now, instead of rolling through the stop sign in years past the same concern we put this.

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Warning sign here at the ramp. It notifies the drivers that there is an intersection just ahead.

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Prospect street and we do have a traffic calming the year- speed sign.

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Just beyond prospect street on maplewood avenue to slow drivers to help the drivers be no aware.

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Of their speed and slowing down, so we we've placed the camera at the intersection, we're in the middle.

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Of uh making observations of how traffic operates at the ramp and maybe there's something we can do.

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With the ramp, but the ramp is controlled by the state because it's part of the bypass so.

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Any modifications to that intersection would need approval from the state as well. So it's something.

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We'll continue to look at and evaluate and monitor, and we can report back at the next meeting.

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Does anyone have any questions, have a discussion on this matter.

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Just a motion to refer to staff for evaluation report back the next meeting. Thank you. I don't.

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I don't know if we can stipulate in the motion. I I don't know how practical it is.

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Potentially, to come back to the next meeting, eric would would you want to be um limited to.

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The next meeting do you need more time and data. What's important, we've collected the the data.

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So far, it's a matter of just evaluating which we should be able to do. Okay, you want me to read nope.

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I just want to make sure it was something we could uh accommodate. uh So we have a motion.

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Do we have a second second wait, any discussion seeing none all in favor, aye aye any opposed.

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Motion carries. Thank you. Item d is uh the request of uh the building owner.

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For the on state street, for the request to move 15 minutes space from 148 state street to.

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121 state street eric yes, this is the issue that mr bode spoke to in public comment period.

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This diagram here is a aerial view of the area showing the two existing 15-minute spaces.

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In front of portsmouth provisions and the blue space is where the requested space would would be.

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So these uh this is a request to move that space, as he was mentioned, to.

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Normally, what we've done in the past, similar to the situation on daniel street, is to go out there.

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And observe how much these spaces are being used and the operations and what the parking conditions.

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Are like re, you know record that information using video cameras and then reporting back. So we don't.

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Have that information at this time? This is uh just the initial request for the for the matter.

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I understood any discussion on this. Is there a motion on the floor? Not yet, and there should be.

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A motion to have a discussion, good call harold. Would you like to make a motion? Yes, I would yeah.

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I moved to refer to staff for evaluation and report back. Do we have a second and then we.

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Can have a discussion a second and discuss it? I was just looking through the ordinances on state.

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Street uh it's under 7326 limited parking, 15 minutes. There are two uh metered spots.

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Southerly side: first, two metered spaces, east of atkinson and the southerly side. First metered.

E

Space east from pleasant street, so I don't think that involves east of atkinson might.

A

Be the rosa outdoor dining? Is that correct? What do we do about? This is what I'm asking if we have.

E

These ordinances in place for these, do we have to evaluate these first before we make, or it could be.

C

A combined effort, I mean that's what we're doing at moe's, which is further on the agenda right.

E

Yeah right, okay, so it's so study the ones that are already designated and look at the need for.

E

Change: yeah, okay, yeah, these. These two are east of that's washington, street, so yeah, it says east from.

E

Atkinson street so yeah, I don't believe we have those anymore. I think those are.

C

East of atkinson became the loading zone, or is it be part of the rosa outdoors.

C

West of that concerns the loading zone, yeah right, east west, south north yeah. Let's.

E

Name the buildings east of atkinson is the loading change. Frequently, though, that's true.

A

I think you bring up a good point that we'll have to holistically look at the entire stretch.

A

Of state street in the immediate area, there's a lot going on there too, with loading zones.

E

And not using loading zones, there's just it's a busy section. Yes, and we have been monitoring the.

C

Loading zone there at state and atkinson is part of because we did allow those spaces to be used.

C

As regular parking after three pm right, so that's part of the evaluation. That's ongoing right. Okay,.

E

So should I just make a mo well, I want to make a motion. Is I'll withdraw my emotion. Well, I I think.

A

Your motion is still fixed. It's sufficient right; it just includes all of daniel. All of.

E

That section of state street right would you yeah any ordinances? I don't know if it's necessary to.

A

Amend the emotion motion because we'll take that work up sure anyway, do we want to specify limits.

C

Do we say from pleasant street up to the bridge or I know, there's another that seems to be reasonable.

A

Yeah harold, would you be willing to amend your motion to um address the area on state from.

A

Pleasant to the bridge, I I'm confused now already yeah. Well we're sticking with the same area of.

A

State street we're just providing limits all right same thing: it's pleasant street yeah, two yeah, okay,.

B

The bridge the bridge yeah a second that amendment okay, that motion: do we have any further discussion.

E

Sorry, yes, no sorry uh seeing none all in favor, aye aye any opposed motion carries. Thank you.

A

Under old business item seven item a daniel street request for 15 minute spaces at 22, daniel.

A

Street by business owner eric. Thank you, madam chairman, so uh in response to the request for.

C

Changing the 15-minute spaces on a permanent basis on daniel street staff has observed the operations.

C

Of those three 15-minute spaces during the month of july and these graphics in your packet present.

C

The results of those studies, uh as shown on the top graphic, the two spaces in front of.

C

Number 22, which is mohs subshop uh one space, is being used 39 of the time the other space was.

C

I think 26 I can't mean 25, I think five, yes and then the one across the street was at 26 percent.

C

And those represents the number of times it was utilized for 25 minutes or less during enforcement.

C

Hours of 9 a.m to 7 p.m, every day of the week, so what we're seeing is showing this graph also is.

C

That the spaces are used quite frequently in the hours of 11 to 1 that 2 noon time at lunchtime, but.

C

That the rest of the day, they're sitting mostly empty. So that's why the percentages are so low.

C

And so during the you know, the 11 hour or nine to eight yeah 11 hours of enforcement time they're.

C

Mostly sitting empty, so we felt that the best utilization of these spaces, while still providing.

C

A function for the business owner who's requesting it is to on a permanent basis.

C

Make the two spaces in front of number 22 as 15 minute spaces and eliminating the three.

C

15-Minute spaces on the other side of the street and returning those to regular parking in zone a.

C

So it would go from the middle graphic, which is current ordinance to the bottom graphic.

C

Would be the proposed ordinance and that's uh our recommendation for this issue so essentially a.

A

Net loss of one 15 minute spot but same number of spaces, yeah going from three spaces to two keeping.

C

The two in front of moe's, as they have been on a temporary basis, but making those permanent.

F

Yeah, mr chairman,.

F

Okay, yes, when an evaluation is actually done as it can, you explain how it's done.

F

Is it actually, you put a personnel out there and with a clipboard? No, it's uh basically the same.

C

But we're using a video camera, we record the we record the time and then we bring that data back.

C

To the office and review it on the computer, but we we can afford to fast-forward on the computer to.

C

You know 60 times the speed, so we're not sitting there. First video camera tells you everything.

C

Well, it just records it and then we go through and say: okay, a car pulled in at 1202 and then you.

C

Fast forward, they oh it left it 1203. So we write that down and then we add up all the time that.

C

It was used divided by the total time available and that's how we come up with the percentages.

B

Thank god, the technology unbelievable. It helps to have a fast forward button.

E

Mary lou question: uh would the 15-minute spaces be enforced after moses closes, which I think.

E

The owner said three o'clock: maybe she said four yeah. They closed the end of the day, but.

C

It would be enforced, you know, throughout the day, throughout the day, nine a.m to eight p.m.

C

Okay, you know the ability to change the 15 minutes to certain hours yeah. It gets very confusing and.

A

What we don't know is how those two 15-minute spaces are supporting the other businesses.

A

When moe's is not at peak, um I'm breaking I'm breaking my own rule, we should. We should have.

A

Emotions on the floor to continue discussion. Okay, so do we have a motion or do we have two motions.

A

We'll take one motion at a time: okay, so let's go ahead and just just to clarify on the first motion.

M

Move approved two-minute spaces in front. Can you just give a 30-second opinion on that again.

C

Number one yeah I mean, while they're not utilized throughout the day they are utilized, uh especially.

C

At noon time, for for that business in in the area, so they are getting frequent use at that time, good.

C

Okay, a second thought: well all men on the motion. Okay, I thought you did. I just had a question. Okay,.

M

The motion is to uh to approve the 15 minute space in front of the 22 daniel street. A second.

A

Great any further discussion on on the first step in this process, which would be to.

A

Memorialize, the two 15-minute spaces in front of 22 daniel all right, seeing no.

A

Discussion all in favor, aye aye any opposed all right. Do we have a follow-up motion.

E

I moved to change the three existing 15-minute spaces on the south side of daniel street.

E

Or is it the east side, southeast south side of daniel street to regular zone a spaces.

A

We have a motion. Do we have a second second.

A

Any further discussion on that.

C

I could add some comments from that would be great watching it. On the on the video we see many times.

C

When those aren't being used, people vehicles will drive into the space, see that it's a 50 minute.

C

Space and immediately leave a lot of that activity was happening in other hours of the day. So there's.

C

Certainly, a demand for those parking spaces to be used. I think ben can maybe speak to the data, but.

C

We're getting very high usage of the surrounding spaces and being able to add more spaces to the.

C

Regular inventory would be benefit. Okay ben is nodding in agreement from the sidelines.

A

Does anyone have any further questions of eric or ben or wish to discuss this further.

A

Okay, seeing no further discussion all in favor aye, aye aye any opposed. Thank you.

A

Item 7b harding road report back on speed, study eric, thank you. I will have tyler.

C

Reece, our associate engineer speak to these good morning tyler good morning good morning, pts so.

N

This is a follow-up to a speed study that we had conducted in february of this year.

N

We had a request from mark to go back and analyze in the summer, because summer speeds.

N

May be different with tourist traffic and cut-throughs. So, as you can see, as you can see,.

N

On this map, we took samples at three different places on harding road. These are listed as the.

N

Average speed and then the 85th percentile speed. So if you look at the most northern one in july of.

N

2022, the average speed was 22 miles an hour and the 85th percentile speed was 25 miles an hour.

N

So our um standards for traffic, calming necessity, is that if the 85th percentile is greater or equal.

N

To 7-10 miles an hour over the posted speed limit or if the average speed is greater or.

N

Equal to 5 miles an hour over the posted speed limit, um harding road and all of elwyn park for.

N

That matter is posted at a blanket 20 mile, an hour, speed limit. But as we've noted before that.

N

Is in compliant with state statute, so we would analyze that as a 25 mile, an hour, speed limit.

A

So what would be the recommendation of staff here just to be clear.

C

uh There it assuming it, you know the the legal speed limit for statute of 25.

C

These speeds are not showing a need for traffic calming measures.

C

It doesn't meet that warrant the criteria for warranting any measures to slow speeds. They are.

C

Going faster than the 20, but 20 is a very slow speed limit for this. For these types of streets.

C

And does not comply with state statute, I'm sure we will be asked to consider these.

A

Locations uh when school is in session as well, do we have data from when school is in session.

M

Yeah we do because that's been scary, that's been studied. Okay. This is the fourth time eric's. So.

M

During cohort at post covet and the reason why I requested for the summer was.

M

Because I want parks active in the summer with high school drivers and people moving a lot so.

M

I think it's for it. For the meantime, it's been studied a lot. It'll probably come up again.

M

For the harding road, mckinley road cip, as well as the overall speed study- yes right right, so this.

M

Isn't this isn't over uh history-wise uh pre-1988 before the 110 houses were put in the woodlands.

M

It wasn't the way it was is now julia walker did remove the. I guess the psychology with traffic is.

M

If you remove the yellow lines, they did this on aldrich, remove the yellow lines.

M

Because yellow means go fast, so they they did that at the lower end of harding towards elwynn.

M

So that was a change. It is a straightaway just like aldridge, so like most straightaways and it.

M

Does it is flat too, uh where mckinley come off the highway off the route, one that goes downhill.

M

um So that'll be studied again: it's not it's not going to stop being studied. So so the motion.

M

Motion to place on file.

F

Second, yeah yeah: do we have any further discussion questions of tyler discussion among the group.

A

Okay, we have a motion and a second all in favor any opposed. Thank you. Thank you. Tyler 7c.

A

Market street request for a crosswalk between deer street and hanover street by the business owner.

A

Eric, uh yes, the madam chairman, this uh we did place a camera on market street at the location.

C

Where the crosswalk was requested to see the traffic operations and pedestrian crossings and.

C

uh These are a few snapshots from the video from the camera. What we did notice from watching the.

C

Video is, there is a lot of pedestrian activity on the street crossing, but they cross the whole.

C

Block you know they're, not in any one spot, they're very random, but very frequently in all locations.

C

And basically they're choosing a gap in traffic and walking across the street without too much.

C

Issue but we do see in the concern with placing a crosswalk in a mid-block location such as right.

C

Here is, if someone's waiting on the crosswalk- and it actually is- you can't see them in this.

C

But there's a pedestrian here, waiting to cross the street and if they were to walk out behind this.

C

Truck with an oncoming vehicle that vehicle's not going to see them they're not going to see this oncoming traffic. So it's it's a very uh dangerous situation for someone to be crossing out.

C

And then this picture in the middle shows how peak hour conditions traffic coming into the city. I.

C

Think this is around noon on a friday or saturday. You know, there's a lot long, skew of vehicles.

C

Waiting to get into market square and that's another situation vehicle, you know pedestrian.

C

Crosses coming out, they're walking again into oncoming traffic, where they can't be seen.

C

And again, some similar situation with oncoming trucks. You know if they're walking out behind.

C

Trucks and oncoming traffic, so for this reason we we aren't recommending a mid block.

C

Crosswalk at this location, because I I don't feel that people would use it, they would continue.

C

To walk randomly across the street wherever it's convenient for them and also it would give a false.

C

Sense of security, the marked crosswalk pedestrians would walk out thinking. Oh we're safe now, but.

C

Behind a truck or some other large vehicle, your visibility is limited and you're walking. Stepping.

C

Out into moving traffic, so for that reason I don't recommend a crosswalk at this location.

A

Is there any captain melanie, I'm going to put you on the spot? Is there any anecdotal information.

A

About pedestrian accidents, activity that you would have no, and as as eric was talking I was I was.

D

Trying to think we we have knocked on one very few: pedestrian motor vehicle, collisions um and.

D

Certainly, within the last five ten years, I don't recall anything on this section of market street.

D

For that reason, thank you. Do we have a motion, so we can keep our discussion going, uh make a motion.

E

Two um not far, let's see how should I say this: what about to not add a crosswalk um on market.

E

Street at that block to not add another crosswalk to that block and perhaps to place it on file.

E

Place it on file, I would add that, to the to the beginning of your emotion, which is.

A

Appropriate as well, okay, do we have a motion. We have a second mark. Are you the second second right.

E

Bring up um if you come up that block there's a cross, a crosswalk down at.

E

Deer street and then there is a crosswalk, but it's a crazy crosswalks intersection at hanover market.

E

Street and bow street so that you can't cross from hanover to market street without going to other.

E

Crosswalks, so I think people tend to just look up there or not look up there. The only advantage.

E

To this area of not putting a crosswalk is that this the traffic is slow. It's usually stopped.

E

Waiting uh at the intersection of hanover and bow street- um and I just.

E

Jay walking all the time we need a crossing guard or somebody.

E

To be down there, I don't think putting a crosswalk in there is the answer.

E

I'm not sure what it is in crosswalks I'll also require a reduction of parking spaces.

C

To make room for them exactly exactly, but if you come up, uh you know half a block. As I said.

E

Up to hanover and bow people are crossing where there isn't a crosswalk right at that intersection.

E

Anyway, so I'm not sure if crosswalk should go in there at some point would mean curb cuts.

E

It would mean changing that intersection, but people don't cross hanover to market back to.

E

That section of market street they just cross right in front of the traffic at the stop sign.

E

I don't know the answer is the answer is no distracted driving. I think.

A

Right so we have a motion and a second herald yeah, I'm going to mention once more. You know.

F

How do we educate the people? Please look up. Pay attention use a little common sense.

F

How, how are we going to educate the people to do that, instead of looking down at the computer.

F

And crossing without I don't know yeah, you want to work with me and have a no. I don't. I don't.

D

M

Yeah yeah, I had an idea for something to do we're going.

E

To position you in front of the moffat loud house,.

M

A public awareness campaign, yeah yeah yeah, with safety with fire and police and.

A

That could be a future presentation all right. We have a motion and we have a second any further.

A

Discussion uh all in favor, aye aye, any opposed motion carries thank you. 7D little harbor road.

A

Report back on a speed study is this eric or tyler? I think it's tyler good morning.

N

Welcome back yes! So yes, as we have been discussing for many months here, little harbor road, we were.

N

Asked to collect some data in the summer when the road has been resurfaced, and we assume that.

N

Speed would be slightly higher, as you can see from this graphic. They have remained largely the same.

N

This is probably largely due into the fact that there's lots of pedestrians in.

N

Cyclist activity on little harbor road in the summer, which slows down traffic.

N

Little harbor road is not posted with a posted speed limit, so it defaults to the state statute.

N

Of 30 and all of the speeds listed here are either within or under 30 miles an hour. So.

N

From a technical standpoint, we do not see a need for traffic calming on little harbor road.

A

Thank you. Do we have a motion and a second in order to facilitate a discussion.

M

Which is a motion to place on file? Would you make that motion? I just did emotionally so wonderful. Do.

A

We have a second I'll. Second, that do we have a discussion. Gary wasn't there improvements, maybe.

M

Was there speed tables put on little harbor road, not a speed table? I think what was your speed is.

B

There a speed sign what was done. Some was done on little harbor. I know it was repaved. uh We put up.

C

Pedestrian warning signs at one time: okay right, so there has been common measures.

M

Put there yeah, there was concern because, whenever you repave a road, the smooth pavement.

C

Usually increases the speeds of the driver, so that's why we were monitoring it right right.

B

Just took a second, I believe, mary lou seconded. I just had a question: what are the neighbors saying.

E

About the speed, since it was repaved and these signs have been put up, is there a complaint? I.

E

Think we heard from a public comment last month or the month before, right now, but nothing before this.

E

Report, well, that was after the paving was done, so they were saying that speeds of silicon. There was.

M

Public input at this committee early on early on right, yeah yeah, and I just remember hearing.

M

Speed tables- and so they I've been down there in a while trying to stay away from you. It's beautiful.

C

So I mean posting of speed limits, you know if we posted it would have to be 30.

C

Or you know so, drivers are already doing less than.

C

30., so it's I don't think a speed limit signing would be effective.

A

So the motion is to place on file. We have a second any further discussion.

A

Seeing none all in favor any opposed. Thank you. Thank you. Tyler.

A

Next up is item e. This might still be tyler uh panaway man, a request for st speed tables by.

A

A resident so we have had a speeding complaint from panaway manor, so we put up two radars, one.

N

On the outer loop, colonial drive and one on one of the inner roads, decatur road, as you can see,.

N

The average and 85th percentile speeds at both locations were.

N

Well, within reason, uh panaway is another neighborhood that is posted at 20, although.

N

Obviously, state statute says 25 is an appropriate speed limit for this section. Both of these would.

N

Be under 25 and in the case of colonial they are under 20., so we do not see a need for traffic.

N

Calming here anecdotally eric- and I have heard that from members of that neighborhood- that it is.

N

Only a few vehicles that exceed the speed limit on a regular basis and as this is a.

N

Closed loop, this is more of a neighborhood issue than it is a engineering concern.

M

So motion place on file. Thank you mark. Thank you. Do we have any discussion.

M

He just summed it up right. It's a neighborhood issue.

M

Album park maple haven, they all you know atlantic heights, they all know who does the speeding so.

M

On any given day, yes- and we were told that they've spoken to the person who.

C

They were most concerned about with the speeding and he's mended his ways.

E

Way to go may that work everywhere they teamed up on them. It's usually the best way, rather than.

C

Getting the neighbors to talk to each other rather than having the city come exactly.

E

A lot of the issues that just make this an aside comment, but a lot of the issues that come here.

E

Seem to me that they're neighborhood issues, whether it's a parking in front of somebody's.

E

Driveway or whatever it is, it seems to be so maybe at the next um national night out.

E

The neighbors can talk about that. That's a party, that's specific gotta, wait until next year, anyway,.

A

Well, point well taken: uh we have a motion in a second uh roll call.

A

We don't need a roll call all in favor all right any opposed. Thank you. Thank you. Tyler.

A

uh Item eight informational first up is a monthly accident report from cat maloney.

D

uh Thank you, madam chair. uh If you look at the june of 2022, we have 86 reported total crashes.

D

Which is throwing out 2021 and 2020 it's a little bit below our average of 99 and 92 the covet years.

D

54 of those were reportable just trending right right. Around average we had no motor vehicle.

D

Collisions involving bicyclists and there was one minor motor motor vehicle collision involving.

D

A pedestrian- and that was a flagger in a construction site, not necessarily.

D

Something that would uh rise the level of a discussion here for a problematic design or.

D

Anything uh relative to this committee, but uh I I took the time to look at the report.

D

And it was in a construction zone with a with a flagger uh minor if any injuries.

D

So, uh okay, thank you report. Thank you. Any questions of cat maloney.

A

Thank you, uh 8b middle road, rrfb installation update is that you eric yes, I just wanted to.

C

Let the committee know that we've installed the rrfb at the crosswalk of the riverbrook.

C

Condominiums at on middle road- so that's that was another measure that was voted on by this.

C

Committee and it's in place now for a few weeks and so we're continuing to monitor the speeds.

C

Out there to see how the reduced speed limit, as well as the rfb, has an effect on vehicle speeds.

C

And we'll be reporting back in a future meeting on those findings.

A

Great, thank you. Nine is miscellaneous, and the one item under miscellaneous is new hampshire,.

A

D.O.T route, 1 improvement project public advisory committee representative: do you want to explain.

A

That, yes, this is a an ongoing project that the d.o.t has had and designed now for a few years.

C

And they have a public advisory committee that meets regularly to inform them and review.

C

Conceptual plans as the process moves along in the past jonathan sandberg was a representative from.

C

This committee, to that public advisory committee, as well as the uh assistant mayor from the city.

C

Council was on it, so those due to the new council members and the uh turnover on this committee.

C

There is no um representative from this committee at this time, so I'm looking to see interest from.

C

This committee, as to someone who would want to be on it, this project is the route one from. I believe.

C

It's the ride line up to wilson road, where they're going to reconstruct route 1 and add.

C

The city would like them the state to add a bicycle and pedestrian facility to the.

C

Shoulders or a separate facility in that whole stretch, so looking at intersection, designs and.

C

Roadway cross sections and coming up with a the best plan and whoever would like to is interested.

C

In the project is certainly welcome to attend these public advisory committee meetings. The next.

C

One would be probably early september. I think if any members have interest um we can. We can note it.

A

Here and I'll share it with the chair, yeah yeah. I would be interested in that. Can you put us on.

M

The email list, given that, whether on the committee, the responsibilities and the time sure that's all.

E

Part of the 10-year plan, with the state with the city. Yes, that was what it's now going on three or.

M

Four years, yes, and, and there was turnover at the state, the project manager for the project changed.

C

Hands so it's, I think the only person who's been consistent is the consultant on this project. Yeah.

M

Yeah, it encompasses a lot there used to be a committee for water country, captain maloney right.

M

Not that I recall there used to be somebody remember that eric dew, it used to be a committee.

M

Set up for you know saturdays and sundays, between say, 10 and noon when.

M

Water country's opening they're, you know in business because in the summertime you got.

F

You know traffic backs up. There used to be a problem with st james.

M

Plus water country opening there used to be a hole, but I think that'll be part of the state.

M

I think that the idea back then was the stone there. That rock is to move it back, but that's.

M

Part of the committee, you know that will come up yeah and we had the city had a committee.

M

Set up specifically for that one issue, and then every summer july and august, when it's.

M

90 degrees- and it's it's sunday or saturday morning, between 10 and noon, when they're.

M

The massive traffic comes in, I know, we've done a study on water country's traffic patterns and and.

C

Ways to mitigate the impact on the neighborhood, so right, banfield, yeah, yeah heritage constitution.

M

Ocean road, so so both of you would be interested in serving and I'll. Let the chairman.

M

Maybe serving or at least being in the loop as a member of this committee, sure.

B

To at least be able to attend okay, you know that is you know I live at that end, I'm quite aware of.

M

All the issues and we have integrated at least in may dondero- I mean don darrow- that.

M

School district there there's been some input, so yeah sidewalks, great memories.

A

All right, thank you sure, also also on that same issue. uh Teeing up some of the streets that come.

F

Out onto route one, you know like middle road, um green leaf avenue. The state talked about.

F

Teeing up changing the dimensions of the issue, you know so it's more safer.

F

The uh teeing out there yeah those intersections you're referring to are actually under city.

C

Control, even though it's route, one that's the city portion of route one and we did start a project.

C

For the intersection of greenleaf and lafayette to do something with that, look that geometry there.

C

It's uh that project got on was on hold, but we're looking to re start that project okay. Thank you.

A

Great, does anyone have anything under miscellaneous.

C

I could add some information on aldrich road to great. That would be.

C

Great yes, so I did speak with peter rice since the last meeting and the speed bumps will be done.

C

They're in the capital improvement plan, so it's a matter of funding and design, so they have not been.

C

Forgotten about it, it's just they will be done. We don't have a definite timetable on them yet and.

C

As far as the speed board, we, I agree with you on that visibility. The location of the speed sign.

C

We we did have some conduit on that po poll that we wanted to put it on, but the type of.

C

Mounting system, we have wouldn't work, but we can look and see if changing that mounting.

C

Bracket and maybe getting it on that pole will have a better effect just to mention maybe the.

I

Next pole, towards isn't carl, if you're going to speak, you need to come to the microphone.

B

Everybody needs to hear you that's right, carl dima, 337, aldridge road. uh The only thing I was going to.

I

Mention is that, uh as a suggestion that you moved it to the next poll closest closer to islington,.

I

Street right in front of robert swan's house, the swan's house right there, because if the visibility.

I

Would be much better to allow the uh drivers to see the indicator? Okay, I was actually thinking.

C

The next pull the other way, but it's a some because if you're still coming up the hill, they.

C

Can take their foot off the accelerated and slow down quicker yeah? That would that would work too.

C

Yeah so we'll take a look at that and work with our guys who mount those and see what they can do.

C

All right yeah! Well, we certainly appreciate your efforts and uh anything you do. That would be great.

I

Yeah yeah and we did look at the some of the speed results on the side and we threw out the.

C

The average numbers we didn't look at the average number, so we just looked at the how many people.

C

Are going over 30 and over 40 and it was uh going back several years so we saw that the traffic over.

C

30 miles an hour is about 50 to 100 cars a day you're doing over 30. When you get up to 40 about.

C

One car a day does over 40., but it's come down a lot since we started monitoring this back in.

C

2016 2018 we're getting over 200 cars a day doing that those types of speeds, so we have.

C

Seen a reduction in the number of speeders, but you know, there's still work to be done. That could be.

C

Right for that up, yeah, so we're heading in the right direction. Yes, that's good! I appreciate.

I

Your efforts and appreciate what the city's been doing thanks everyone may I ask questions. Please.

F

May I ask you sure, question sure: okay kyle going back over the years, would you say there's more.

F

Families living on there with children on aldridge road now compared with the waters years ago,.

I

Yes, um the neighborhood, since I've lived, there has turned over child wise, almost.

I

Three times so uh this is the third uh like it's almost like a third generation moving in there.

I

uh And there's a a lot more children per household, whereas maybe uh 20 years ago there was two. uh I.

I

You know you see three and four, uh you know per household, especially in that area. Sewell aldridge.

I

Stackster felds and fields yeah. I appreciate your concern. Yeah go on that's good. We just want to.

I

Keep the kids safe, yeah yeah. Thank you right and everyone else. Thank you very much. You're welcome.

A

I don't think there's any other business. So I'd look for a motion to adjourn. I make a motion.

E

Thank you. You have a second okay, second, all in favor aye aye. Thank you have a good day. Thank you.