City of Portsmouth, New Hampshire Parking and Traffic Safety Committee, 1 Sep 2022

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9.1.2022 Parking and Traffic Safety Committee

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Okay, it's uh september 1st- and this is the parking traffic and safety committee meeting.

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And the first order of business is attendance. Mary lou mckellwan, here steve pesci here mark syracusa.

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Harold whitehouse erica wygonic here police captain mike maloney here assistant fire chief.

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Bill mcquillen public works director, peter rice here, city manager, karen connard, here.

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Chairman andrew bagley, here we could please have the financial report.

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So I could get a motion motion to accept budget as percentage yeah. Well. Second, all those in favor.

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Aye aye aye any opposed. Okay, harold. I thought you were going to say something.

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Now public comment just uh state your name and address for the record. Please.

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My name is beth ganalowski. I live at 5 washington street in portsmouth and.

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I was um recently informed about mr bodhi coming last week to request that um the.

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15-Minute spot being moved across the street in front of the burning carlson chocolate shop.

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And I just wanted to uh present a few concerns. um I think when he said that he talked to all the.

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Local businesses, uh I know that he didn't talk to the chocolate shop on the or the ice cream shop on.

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The corner there and they know um sorry they do have some of their patrons utilize. Those spots.

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um We also have the laundromat right around the corner from there, which is small and they use the.

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Immediate local parking, the grocery store, has been closed while we're coming up to code for the city.

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So I know that the cameras were placed to track the parking util usage, so I just wanted to kind.

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Of point out that I don't think that it would be particularly accurate during this time when these.

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Businesses have been closed um and I know that I think at the last meeting you changed some of the.

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15-Minute spots on daniel street and I think there might be sort of an extra 15-minute spot floating.

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Around so if it were possible to just take that extra one from daniel street that was removed.

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And put it in front of the burning carlson space and just leave the other two where they are.

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Because those do benefit, at least I think, for businesses on that corner. There.

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Thank you, beth. Thank you. Is there anybody online? No, not at this time all right just want to mention.

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That the item that is speaking about is not on today's agenda: correct, correct. We are still taking.

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um Staff still monitoring, so the the committee won't act on it until at least next month.

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Which would be the first thursday in october, just didn't want to have you sitting there.

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Wondering mr jared, we also received an email from the proprietor of googies expressing.

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Concern relative to that and asking that we leave the two spaces, as is great. Thank you.

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Any further comment on the 15 minutes: parking spaces it'll be our next month. Yes, when we have.

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Some good data to provide. Can you tell if there's anyone on zoom uh still the one on zoom right now.

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Thanks, okay, uh moving on, we don't have any presentations this month, so new business is.

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Port walk place, request for renewal of the valet license agreement by business owner.

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Sample motion: one move to approve renewal of valet license agreement for pr.

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Parade residence, hotel, llc for a term of one year or sample motion, two move to approve.

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Renewal valet license agreement for port walk, yeah h-I-l-l-c for a term of one year.

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So uh erica, when do I ask questions, I have to wait for a second second yeah. Oh sorry, just just one.

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Question please yep yeah married. Are you talking mary? No, no, no one question with an inflation.

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Figure is that figured in when it comes to renew of the license for these parking places.

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Well, this is kind of a unique case. Let's go to erica's question first, I I remember this coming up.

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Last year and I feel like it wasn't- 100 resolved, I'm gonna marry lou. I think brought this up last.

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Year- and I remember it's a unique case because I think it's a private road that the city maintains.

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But somehow we still give a valet license because the city maintains the road. So I know it's kind of.

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Complicated what I remember mary lou bringing up last year- and I I didn't re-verify this year, but I.

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Know I've seen it is that these the request is for valley parking like two or three spaces here and.

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Two or three spaces here, but if you go out there, there's like six spaces on the side that are valet.

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I don't remember another organization coming with a different valet agreement for those other three.

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Since then- and so I just wanted to circle back on that and yeah, I could address that uh thanks. We've.

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Been out there recently and saw exactly what you mentioned the signs you know they have a lot more.

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Spaces being used- and they have licensed more- that was brought to their attention. That was a mistake.

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On their part of placing the signs in the wrong places, so they've been directed and they said they.

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Will move the signs to only the spaces where they have a license for it? Okay, awesome, mr chairman. Yes,.

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Just to clarify the city does not maintain the roadway all maintenance of the roadway sidewalks.

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Crosswalks, everything is on the developer on the development there. The only thing that we do is we.

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Manage the parking spaces and they pay us a fee to cover our expenses associated with that.

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Thank you. So I have a question on that. The three spaces that are requested under this.

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Request are not directly in front of the exit of the hotel on the corner. So what happens to.

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The one two three four five spaces that are right: there are those going to be metered or.

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Will they in fact be taken up by the hotels without markings as well? Let me bring that up.

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On the screen, so we make sure we're talking about the same spot, because I think on both sides. They.

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Have ballet yeah the valet is taking place in this area. This one license is for these three spaces.

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Right, the other license is for these three spaces right and then there's these four spaces in front.

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Of the marriott which are posted as loading and unloading right but- and they don't have.

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Any time restriction and they're, usually they would be, they could be used as parking spaces.

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Yeah regular parking spaces with with meters. Well, that's that's! Just debatable debatable yeah.

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That's the thing just to miss chairman family. The thing I remember is that this site approval.

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Showed these things as in this configuration in functioning as this, so it is not something.

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Unique, it's not extra! It's it's exactly what was approved when they came to site.

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Okay, so it's good to know, thank you, so it's not a this, isn't something special we're doing for them.

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It is a private roadway, um you know, you know it. Doesn't we don't generate revenue from.

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That space other than the the license fees associated with valet does come to the city.

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But the parking revenues minus our expenses goes to them. Yes, yes, I was aware of that. I just.

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Wondered about the spaces the designated spaces if there are five spaces that are not part of this.

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Valet license: are they metered? Are they open for anyone for free parking or are they just.

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Loading, and does that mean, can the parking director speak to that.

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So eric- and you can correct me on this- if I'm not right, but if those are those.

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Are designated for loading and unloading and that's what they're supposed to be used for.

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So um we have, as eric said, we have seen some signage migration and we've tried to address that.

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We have not been asked to address the loading and unloading in that area. I'm certain that we could.

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You know take a look at what what needs to be done with that. I it's it's again. It's a private road, so.

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Yeah, so excuse me so loading and unloading means for people who are coming to stay at.

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The hotel I'd say the business is nearby just like any other loading zone. Yeah.

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That would be my intention. I will make a comment on this so because it's a private road.

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By doing it, the way we're doing it where the city doesn't incur any cost, because all our costs are.

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Paid for what we avoid is what we've seen in the private parking zones. If this road was managed.

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By say a company, that's not the city, they could theoretically charge whatever they want, which.

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Would generally generate probably much higher pricing and upset people, so I think this why.

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It's a bit unwieldy is probably the most fair and equitable solution. Yep this, let's go, I'm sorry go.

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Ahead to peter rice, may I yes yeah it's a private road, but do we maintain the water and sewer line.

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Yes, we do uh water and sewer in the area.

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That goes, and I I you know, I don't recall whether we have mains that go up that street or not harold.

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um uh But if we did we'd have an easement for maintenance of that because it would be.

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A public okay, so the services themselves are theirs, but the mains would be ours.

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Mark I'm going to make a motion. Okay, I think we're already. Oh yeah. We have a little right.

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Do we have a motion to re, approve renewal yeah? We do okay, just for a second that was.

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A discussion so we're voting yeah. Just a comment. I mean this road is such a unique.

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Situation in the city and I'm sure that you get a lot of inquiries about parking what's going on.

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Who's managing it, I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile on the top of the street name.

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Sign to put private road just so there's some public awareness that that street is unique.

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It's just a thought that I mean we we've had a lot of conversations about the street and it's.

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Unique characteristic and the unique arrangement, and just wondering if that might be something.

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To consider down the road as well is that done anywhere else in the city? Nothing, I'm aware of.

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You know we do have some other private streets, but they're not posted that way. I'm thinking of hartwell avenue next to the high school.

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The only concern I'd have with putting private road is, it might discourage people from going.

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Down it because they feel like true or paying for parking just one quick. Oh sorry, peter eastwood.

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Off a lane is that portsmouth, I believe so that's a flood on the border, that is a private road.

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But that doesn't have a sign. This is private and private road might not be the correct term.

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I don't know it's just the thought, but we seem to have this discussion every time. The.

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Agreement comes up. I think it's us that have the issue. I don't think it's the public, though.

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So maybe we just put a note when they come back when we've talked about this 15 times.

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It's part of the site plan, julie, noted erica america. I don't object to the valet parking.

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Program here or the loading zone, I just wanted clarification on it, which is what erica did so. I.

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Think the signage clarification makes a difference on that area. Thank you all right. Are we ready for.

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A vote yep all those in favor of voting on one and two or just one and two one and two.

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All those in favor aye, aye aye any opposed.

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Old business woodbury avenue report back on request for rf.

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Rrfb at woodbury, manor crosswalk by residents, do you want to give a report sure.

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So we had a request from a resident of the woodbury manor in this area.

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And uh about crossing the crosswalk here on woodbury ave, we placed a traffic camera out.

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Here for a week and watched the uh crossings kind of the number of crossings, uh we only got.

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uh About 10 crossings a day out here to justify a crosswalk. You should have at least 20 an hour.

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um So and then for an rrb, you'd want to have even more crossings than that. I think in this location.

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We'd be looking to see you know, 60 to 65 pedestrians, an hour to justify an rfb. So for that.

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Reason I'm not recommending the installation of an rfb at this location. We do already have a weeble.

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You know within street sign in place here and we do have the signs on either side of the crosswalk.

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So in watching the videos we didn't see a lot of trouble crossing, there's plenty of gaps in traffic.

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So it's not my recommendation to put one, mr chairman. If eric could explain how uh the rfb.

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Selection or justification uh is done and that it's not a static measure. Yes, we we have a there's.

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A there's, a spreadsheet that we go through it lists it takes into account all the factors.

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Of the location, the speed of the traffic, the volume of the traffic, the uh crossing distance.

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The sp walking speed of the pedestrians in here it's a little bit slower with maybe some.

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Elderly people, we look at all these factors and and run it through a spreadsheet in the.

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In the speed limits and and it can and it comes out and tells you whether or not just.

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A painted crosswalk is appropriate, or if you should do more enhancement or active.

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Active sidewalks such as flashing signs or pedestrian flags or bump outs or other.

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Measures that we could to slow traffic or make the the crosswalk more noticeable. So there's a.

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Level of improvements that are justified based on those different factors and that's what we use on.

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The on these each case by case to justify or to look and see whether it's justified.

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Great, thank you. Is there a motion on the floor? Is there a motion, yeah I'll move to a.

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Place on file or oh second, second, am I allowed to second any other discussion.

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Steve I want to thank the city doing a really good job, keeping the little.

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That center line marker there, it's really helpful, and you know I I use that once in a while that.

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Crosswalk and it's maintained very well by the city. Thank you. I think it is appropriate there.

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uh For the record, I think I I'm more concerned about the crosswalks at the den at woodbury area.

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And hope that we can get some time at some point to have the staff go out and look at some of the.

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Signage in that whole little micro zone between den it and the ramps, this signs have migrated.

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There's empty posts there. I could use it freshening up, okay. Well, we do have a couple.

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More our fb old businesses to address one thing that eric brought up is pedestrian, crosswalk flags.

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Which is something we haven't used in the city um if, on a b or c, that was something that we wanted.

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To do a trial run so kind of get back to the mini rotary type adventure. um We could consider that.

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I think they're great yeah- this might be a this- might be a good.

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Test place for those it's inexpensive, it's a fixed. uh I think many of the users here.

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Are stable, fixed residents of that neighborhood, so the kind of learning process to use that.

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Might be better than in a random public crosswalk somewhere? Do we want to modify the motion to.

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Erica am I a pilot of that? Oh I'm, sorry. What were the volumes uh we get about? 10 crossings a day at.

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This location a day yeah, I'm not sure, there's enough activity, maybe for one of the other.

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Yeah, would you like to return to the idea? Okay, yeah and another long-term idea out here is also.

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The completing the sidewalk along the side of woodbury the proposed development at this corner.

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Of boyd road they're proposing to extend the sidewalk from the hotels down to boyd road, so.

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Good there was there would be this missing link between boyd and cottage, so that could be a future.

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Project as well eliminate the need to cross in order to get to a crosswalk, that's log, one.

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All right so leave the motion, as is all those in favor: okay, any opposed okay, item b and old.

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Business uh maple wood avenue at dennett street report back on request for rfb.

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Sample motion move to place item on file I'll make that motion. Oh second, any discussion.

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Yeah, all right, all those in favor all right, any post all right see uh south street at broad.

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Street report back on the need for rrfb sample motion move to place item on file.

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Also moved nick second, any discussion.

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And just before we we vote on this on all of these we've looked at or the spreadsheets analyzed them.

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And you know the the pedestrian traffic's not enough to justify these, because uh we really.

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Have to be strategic about where we put these. If there's too many people will ignore them.

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And plus there's a cost factor, but more it's a. We want to use these tools in the highest use cases.

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Where they're going to have the biggest impact, so if we just put them everywhere, they lose their.

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Effectiveness, there's also public criticism based on people not using pushing the button.

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Which is a 50 50., which is a problem yeah? Well, we do have one location, I believe near my house.

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Where the traffic doesn't justify the the blinkers, I believe on middle street.

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I think yeah there's a few on middle street, where we don't get many crossings yeah. So wasn't there.

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A video you have to video it to see if they're using it. Yes, yeah we've been doing that tyler's.

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Been working on that as well yeah seeing so we got a lot of results, I mean it's a layman: it's a 50 50.

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They do or they don't pushing the button right, yeah.

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You know they're just you know and that's the whole purpose of it. Okay, all right so.

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The cheers and broad street uh one was associated with the sidewalk that was going to be removed.

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We are going to move forward with the removal of that we had a trip and fall the other day.

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So it is a very uneven dangerous section of sidewalk, so that section of sidewalk is.

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Going to be removed at some day when the trees um are passed away, we'll.

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We will replace that sidewalk, but until then, until the tree committee tells us the three committee.

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Says um no, so I just wanted to you know people where that's the resolution that we're gonna.

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We're gonna have so you take the sidewalk out, but you still have the humps over the trees.

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Correct it'll be a grassy area that these people will most likely walk across anyway.

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And you're moving forward, I see with uh at least utilities for up the street on the corner.

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Sorry retaining wall we could jump to miscellaneous. If that's.

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I'm sorry yes well, let's vote on this and then yeah yeah, all those in favor.

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Any opposed okay, yeah we'll hold that for miscellaneous.

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D middle street at miller, avenue report back on speed society.

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um If you want to speak to it or we're going to move to place, this item on file.

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Oh second, all right, you make the motion and then I can, if I can get another second second, okay,.

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Okay, so we've collected data. This was a concern that was brought up to committee uh last year.

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And we've said we would look at this once the bike lane situation got resolved and now that we have.

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The bike lane situation resolved uh we've gone out and measured the speeds on either side of miller.

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And we've seen that uh you know with the parking push back to the curb. The speeds have gone back up.

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It's posted at 25 now, as the speed limit was lowered on middle street.

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But average speeds are 28 and with an 85th percentile of 32 miles per hour,.

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That was that at union street, and then we also counted it on the inbound side or the other side.

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Of miller up at austin street- and we see similar results a little bit slower as you get into town.

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26 for an average speed 31 for 85th, so you know they are going faster than the speed limit, but not.

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You know it's considerably to the point where something is it's critical.

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This location is the signal here will be upgraded as funding permits. We have a design.

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In progress and that will upgrade the signal equipment, bigger lenses, uh increase the awareness.

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Of the signal, as well as the pedestrians crossing so there's a lot of very antiquated equipment out.

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There that's not working too well, so all right, okay, marilyn! I was going to bring that up because.

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We've talked about that over the years. I think about upgrading that crosswalk, so is the signaling.

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Is that on the docket as a high priority to be done? Yes, the design has been done. It's a matter.

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Of just getting the funding for it, we obtained the necessary easements. We redesigned it because.

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Originally, the plan that was done 15 20 years ago, needed easements that we could never obtain. So we.

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Redesigned it to avoid that issue, it's a heavily used intersection for pedestrians. Thank you.

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All right on the informational items did we vote on that? I don't know. Thank you uh all. Those.

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In favor aye aye any opposed uh informational items, monthly accident report from the police.

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Morning, mr chair, for the month of july, we had 65 total crashes, of which 35 uh were.

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Reportable, so that's uh it's a drop of over 20 crashes in total from june. I'm not exactly sure.

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What to attribute that to that's a pretty significant drop off, um but suffice to say.

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July, obviously, being a very busy month in the seacoast for traffic, um I'm happy to say that.

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We didn't, we didn't see a spike in our in our crashes. We actually saw somewhat of a decline so.

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um Mr chair I'd like to open it, it's probably all the construction that the public works is doing.

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That's it. I think the public works, he does slow traffic. This is true.

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Thank you increase his blood pressure, but.

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And I am noticing that we'll we'll have to get you a new badge that says deputy chief.

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Oh yes, congratulations on that promotion, um informational state street two-way traffic study.

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This is uh just bringing up to speed the city council at their meeting.

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A few weeks ago voted to have the traffic parking traffic safety committee study, the.

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uh Possibility of turning converting state street traffic from two-way.

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I mean from one way to two-way traffic from the memorial bridge to middle street.

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And so that has come to us and I am in the process of putting together a request for proposals to get.

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Some firms to bid on this study what we anticipate doing is using the downtown traffic model. That was.

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Developed for the city a few years ago and using that as a base and then running these alternatives.

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Looking at state street traffic, uh we may also be able to look at a couple of other alternatives.

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You know if we're changing state street from one way to two-way. Maybe it makes sense to look at.

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Penn hollow and chapel street, maybe changing the flows on those streets, and this model is excellent.

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Opportunity to look at these scenarios because you can make these changes and and it'll you.

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Know looks at all the downtown area and how this will impact adjacent intersections.

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And other roadways and things you might not think of right off this model will point out.

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To us and show us what the issues are so you're taking the 2019 model and you're just expanding.

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Or looking at other options, yes updating, it make sure it's calibrated to the current conditions.

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You know we include any new projects in there, such as the brick market on pen, hollow street.

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You know mcintyre, if we, if we know what exactly is going to go in there, we can add traffic generated.

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By that project, and then uh you know calibrate to existing conditions and then make the changes in.

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The model too, and the monument going memorial yeah that area there yeah yeah. That would be looking at.

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That it wouldn't be too much of a change actually right there, because we have the two lanes coming.

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Up onto the bridge right now, one becomes a u-turn lane, the other one goes on to the bridge. So.

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The monument area wouldn't be affected, it looks like it would just be that little triangular.

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Yield area that would have to be cut back, so I hope somebody comes to me and asks me.

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Why it didn't work back in the 50s daniel street, making two-way and state street, making it two ways.

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Why they did it and why it didn't work. So I hope somebody comes to me and asks me.

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Like to me like to me, it happened like yesterday really, but they tried it because downtown was.

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Dying they bought it. Ups borders stores, montgomery wars, newbury's grants all boarded up, they wanted.

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To bring the traffic from the shipyard and not have them, go through the city and go to the.

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Dog pot down to peabody and also spend money at the nostril shopping center, so.

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They tried something, it was cashing their checks on the shipyard and going right through.

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Our city without spending money and things were hurting so but it didn't work. I got a question.

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Yeah, when did they move gilly's card gillycat? Well, probably around the 70s 1970s. They went.

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From market square market square right, which is downtown street dining, they paid a dollar a day.

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Every night right on the corner, where'd you get for a dollar. Did you get it a burger and a beer.

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Or you got a really, you can't believe it. Oh, my god, I he was something else boy. If you knew gilly.

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You knew the master of the of the of the of the business people, so we had street dining back in.

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We had street dining by gillies yeah, the concept isn't new, so I see that counselor moreoves on zoom.

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And this was her idea to bring up so can you speak or herald a question? Oh yes, of course, um harold. So.

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You're saying it worked from a traffic perspective, but it didn't work from an economic perspective.

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The two-way traffic worked from a traffic perspective, but it didn't work from an.

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Economic perspective yeah. That's right both both do you want to bring it up yeah, it didn't work.

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For economic, because I was trying to bring the people from the shipyard who was getting paid.

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There's a lot of people over the shipyard and there's casting their checks on the shipyard and.

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Traveling right through our city, without spending any money and things were hurting downtown.

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Yeah, thanks to to honor what the chairman said, I would um make a motion to suspend the rules.

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To allow councillor moreau to give comment to the item we're discussing second sector.

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All those in favor.

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I wasn't planning on talking. Oh, we got you down.

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I just wanted to listen and to give just a quick overview. I you know we want people to still go to.

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The downtown- and so I don't want to take away the exit to daniel street or really change much else.

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The idea was, if you're, if you're, just trying to get from you, know from that bridge down route. One.

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To someplace else that you don't have to then go through the downtown, so it would make it more of a.

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True destination for people to go- and I understand you know the economics of making people sort of.

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Forcing people into downtown, I don't think we have that problem anymore. No, that's for sure.

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Can I ask a question, mr chairman, of harold, at the time when that was decided, were there three.

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Bridges to to choose from- I can't remember I I think so I think, there's only two. Okay.

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The interstate wasn't built, so I think that's an important factor to consider yeah yeah speaking.

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From someone as the husband that does it all the time he only ever uses the mario bridge in the.

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Morning when he goes to work at 6 30, he doesn't use it to come home because it's too much traffic.

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I got a question harold, do you know this? The people that worked at the navy yard did they.

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Want most of them the majority of them at the time, do they live in new hampshire or do they live in.

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Maine, it's very very yeah back and forth. Mostly new hampshire, maine, okay and it still does vary.

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Now than there was years ago, but not a lot, these are people that work at the navy yard yeah we're.

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Trying to get their money, you know being paid well over there, mary lou. Well, I just hope this.

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Doesn't coincide with the mcintyre construction because the whole downtown will shut down.

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For a while, because we'll have parallel streets that are having major construction, so I think, as.

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We look at this. Let's look at, though I know you're doing this peter look at the whole picture. Coming.

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Yeah well, look slowing people down yes, but if we have the mcintyre major construction here,.

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And working on state street, it seems like a lot of disruption. I don't think state street would need a.

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Ton of it's not a major construction yeah there's like some signal heads, but I don't think you would.

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Need too much else changes I should say, see his definition of major different steve. I'm really.

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Excited to see this study happening and we're so lucky to have the traffic model as a tool. That's.

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In place and just needs to be updated and refreshed, and having worked on similar models and.

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Several other communities around here being able to look at this with mcintyre assumptions, and I.

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Think it's a great opportunity for the city and I hope we write a very nice rfp and that we get good.

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Quality work out of the consultants, because I think this is a great transformational.

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Like inflection point here to look at this in coordination with everything else going.

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On downtown and and see what the opportunities are, and you know we don't know, there's a lot.

L

Of dynamics, but it's great that the council's uh suggested that we move forward on this. So.

A

All right, um no other comment on that item we'll go to miscellaneous and I think some.

E

Sidewalks, maybe just to um bring the uh committee up to to date. As you recall last spring, we had.

E

Public comment uh and a vote by the committee uh to uh to look at in putting a sidewalk in from.

E

uh Pinehurst up to the top of the hill at union uh we and what we said was that we would do this.

E

uh With funding a lot available and we were able to um the gas company informed us when.

E

We were ready to pave uh south street that they had a section of gas line. They needed to replace.

E

uh In our in our roadway- and it was, it did not coincide with what we wanted to do. So we we pushed.

E

Them into the sidewalk area, so they uh put the gas line on the sidewalk and then prepared um the base.

E

For the sidewalk, which will then be installed, this should be installed right after or shortly after.

E

Right so at a much reduced cost, I was going to say they're paying yeah they're, paying.

E

Yeah good strategy yeah, so we get sidewalks. Then we save some money right. Yes, well, that's excellent!.

E

Yeah we're leveraging when we can yeah retaining it erica. I have a miscellaneous comment, which is.

H

I really like the bump that got flattened out on elwin half street. I can't keep track.

H

Of which is which my kids are sad, that they can't like get air on the way to school. But.

H

That is was that a sidewalk home there was a. I think a tree had been taken out.

H

Yeah, I think that's in they have that out in the maple haven or uh panaway.

K

The new little section sidewalk is lovely good job, guys dmx track yeah. Just the trees caused the.

K

Sidewalks to go up so the kids launch off of that yeah they do that they do that on piano way too.

K

Maple haven, steve just another miscellaneous comment: I I won. I've been noticing this summer.

L

A lot more bike use downtown, and I wanted to make sure that when we think about parking and.

L

Accommodating visitors, we keep in mind the need for quality bike racks. I know. Market square is.

L

Going to be refreshed in the coming years, but I think the parking problem we're having right.

L

Now downtown is bikes and you start to see them attached to railings and light posts and.

L

Whatever so, as we think about our projects and as we think about parking, I want to make sure that we.

L

Put aside the necessary and it's almost fractional compared to auto parking, the necessary money.

L

To make sure we have quality bike parking, accommodation in downtown.

L

So I just wanted to bring that up.

I

um Really yes, on that, I had a request from a resident who does a lot of biking to replace all.

I

The sharrows on the various roads that have been repaved so that we are updated on the sharrows too.

I

And um I'm wondering if, when we're doing bike racks, if we can look at russell at market there.

I

Is a bike lane that comes up right to russell street and then it stops? It doesn't come into town.

I

And it would seem that if we had bike racks there, people could leave their bikes and.

I

Walk into downtown by a market street instead of biking, just a thought about another bike, rack.

K

Peter eric is there: is there a centralized area around town that you can have bike racks.

K

Where that's, where the bikers can go to park because they're talking about parking.

K

And then disperse out from that, instead of having several so the there there.

E

Are a number of spots in the city that are centralized? The hanover garage has bike racks.

E

There are a couple corrals down near the gas light and over near off of penn hollow.

N

The bicyclists, the reason- bicycles, love, bicycles,.

E

Is that they don't have to park remotely yeah, they go right to the location that they want to park.

E

And go use and, and so you're you know providing these things is all well and good, but they're.

E

Not going to use them yeah, how about you, let's stick to the next level, so having more having.

E

More available throughout the city, the bike corrals, are great. The bike crawls are great. I.

L

Know, they're seasonal, so you can take them away for plowing and I think that's a great model.

L

And to just keep you know, increasing the locations and capacity of those is fine and peter based on.

K

Your point too, if you take a ruckus scooter, you see those parked in front of buildings.

K

Especially in the on the water area, there they just go right up to where they're working they get.

K

Out yeah and this the ordinance is clear relative to um moped designated. What's what 50, cc's or less.

E

um It's they can be on sidewalks as long as they're, not obstructing um pedestrians.

E

Right or doorways or or fire uh monuments, what other? What was the other uh opening car doors.

E

Opening car doors yeah, so you know your points while taking they. They people on mopeds, treat them.

E

As a bicycle as well, and that's the reason they do that, it's because they can zip places faster, yeah.

A

And it frees up parking for everybody else. Yeah.

G

I'm not saying anything right now. One question to peter in reference to humphrey's court.

G

It's a personal issue: okay, um will there ever be a time when we won't be able to use our.

G

Driveways or get into our house with the construction that's going on down there.

G

Well, we have to get a room downtown in a motel.

G

We appreciate it so you're, looking at the, when should we.

E

You will always be able to access your home. Okay, always thank you. Yeah. Nice. Try, though,.

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